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[00:03:15] I love everyone and welcome to RHAP's coverage of Survivor 46.
[00:03:20] I'm one of your hosts, Shannon Gus here to talk about episode three and four.
[00:03:25] Survivor was had.
[00:03:27] Survivor in waves was played.
[00:03:29] Some might say.
[00:03:30] It happened.
[00:03:31] It was there.
[00:03:32] It was three hours.
[00:03:33] I'm going to talk about it on the global survivor global slash stock watch crossover episode
[00:03:38] with my co-host, Karen Altrong, Karen, David.
[00:03:41] Yeah.
[00:03:42] Yes, we're listening.
[00:03:43] We're still crossing over whether there's a vote whether there's survivor being played or whether
[00:03:49] I've even doing the stock watch podcast.
[00:03:52] We will still cross over.
[00:03:54] I love it.
[00:03:55] I love that it's some constant.
[00:03:56] It's like, you know what?
[00:03:57] I was thinking it's like production of I think this proved production of very rigid, right?
[00:04:02] Because I think I was a lot of us have been thinking like where is the pool in case of emergency
[00:04:06] swap.
[00:04:07] And it has not come and then we two are rigid with so like, well, we organized a day.
[00:04:12] We wanted to hang out.
[00:04:13] We wanted to chat.
[00:04:14] And no sub-part survivor was going to stop us.
[00:04:19] That's the criteria.
[00:04:21] So here we are.
[00:04:22] Yeah, we scheduled we scheduled the podcast for last week.
[00:04:27] Yeah, but there wasn't a vote.
[00:04:30] And we ended up just postponing.
[00:04:32] And then it was like, well, at least, at least we'll get a vote to talk about.
[00:04:37] And then and then turns out two weeks.
[00:04:40] Maybe it's our fault.
[00:04:41] Maybe we need to stop scheduling podcasts.
[00:04:44] Yeah, yeah.
[00:04:45] Well, actually what this is what happens.
[00:04:46] We scheduled for week three.
[00:04:48] And then like I rep prep to do I like I was so sick.
[00:04:51] Like I had such a bad fever.
[00:04:52] So I still was like trying to like make a crawl to the the podcast.
[00:04:56] I'm like, there wasn't even a vote. It's fine.
[00:04:58] We'll push it to next week in time for exactly what they were like.
[00:05:01] There'll probably be more to talk about.
[00:05:03] Now you set yourself a.
[00:05:05] Well, hey, there is there's more.
[00:05:07] I don't know more stuff.
[00:05:09] I don't know.
[00:05:10] It's possible that there's less because last week one of my big takes was like,
[00:05:13] oh, they should definitely vote out Bano.
[00:05:15] Like that, you know, that like there's no and we can talk through that.
[00:05:18] But like it's like he immediately proved that.
[00:05:20] So it's like it's not a take anymore as much as it's just like self-evident.
[00:05:24] Yeah. So two episodes, no vote.
[00:05:29] One stop watch over crossover.
[00:05:32] And let's talk about it. Let's talk about the season.
[00:05:35] How are you feeling?
[00:05:36] How are you feeling about it?
[00:05:38] I feel like I'm in such a weird place in this survivor like band base where.
[00:05:44] Like I like I have been not as invested in the show maybe as as I have in the past.
[00:05:53] But I like a lot of that is just like how I consume it and how.
[00:05:57] You know, the lack of detailed information.
[00:06:00] It like gets to me.
[00:06:02] I prefer a big brother because it has live feeds.
[00:06:05] And and it does seem like it's getting a little repetitive in the last you know six seasons now.
[00:06:11] But at the same time, I feel like I still have a more positive outlook than like most of the people I see talking about.
[00:06:19] Like it just feels like it's just constant a constant stream of conflicting complaints.
[00:06:25] And and so in many ways, I feel like I enjoy the show more when I don't look at that stuff because I feel like it's just it's just so much.
[00:06:38] It's so much.
[00:06:40] Yeah, what are the conflicting complaints are usually because I do I mean look they're complaints but I feel like they're all in one kind of direction.
[00:06:46] I mean, I feel like I feel like the big the biggest one is like the like where are the villains and then.
[00:06:52] Oh yeah, when when when somebody's mean it's like oh, I can't believe they were so mean and then people like how can you ask for villains but then be mad at people for being mean and then they're like because I want a different kind of mean and.
[00:07:03] And it's just like I don't think people understand what they want is the problem that is true.
[00:07:07] That's not you're immediately proven right.
[00:07:09] And the one that I'm probably guilty of is they're like disaster tribe discourse because I feel like when Lulu was desorstering but six months ago everyone was into it and everyone was like I think I remember myself saying like if they manufacture these disaster tribes kind of works for New Year's survivor where they had like it gives a really like connected story like you connect to this one tribe.
[00:07:35] And you kind of like loaded in parts, you know like this is our tribe and I think last season I think it was said it was like the kind of Lulu phase, Bella phase, rebe phase that's kind of how the season unfolded.
[00:07:47] And now back on that I'm like yeah maybe Lulu was just iconic you know like I feel like maybe the constant disaster tribes are not the best thing I do think it can be interesting to watch a tribe struggle but a staff that I don't know is out there and I was looking this up.
[00:08:01] So for all New Year's seasons even though each season has like mild to like extreme disaster tribes but episode four of 41 obviously Lulu never go to tribal but the other two had been to tribal twice.
[00:08:14] So even though we were becoming the disaster tribe, the other tribes had a lot going on like proper dynamics happening on each tribe and then from 42 43 44 all three tribes had gone to tribal council in the first four episodes.
[00:08:28] Even though obviously there were you know Vefi was kind of a disaster tribe equal was doing worse obviously Tika's gonna end up being the disaster tribe but they all went to tribal council and to varying effects of injury.
[00:08:39] And then last season's the only one where Lulu lost every challenge by by episode four there was a swap so we've never had four episodes of no other tribe going to tribal council in this New Year.
[00:08:50] New Year, we're matching was iconic and unique and original but like you know what I'm saying it's it's actually not been as extreme as this let alone a medieval unfortunate let alone spin seven hours seven hours of content so I mean yeah roughly what like nine 10 days and three people on this cast have been to tribal.
[00:09:12] And two votes.
[00:09:14] We have.
[00:09:16] We can just pretty wild it's pretty wild and one way back.
[00:09:21] Those are the stats according to survival 46 and like they're not glowing some of its unfortunate I do think that like you know in productions, I guess like defense like okay cool so they don't do twist to help the contestants maybe they should maybe they should help the contestants with this drug because I think with the disaster tribes that there's been a lot of like because they manufacture those disaster tribes.
[00:09:45] It's not just like there are parts of it, like I think the big moment mentality of it this is a big thing for me to and like as an example from my own professional sports career play table tennis against my husband right.
[00:09:58] We took over the break over the Christmas break my my mother-in-law took a table tennis and we put it on the table I played in a table tennis near 100 times.
[00:10:05] And even if I was winning by like 10 points, I would lose because I get in my head and believe I could win the pressure was too much.
[00:10:12] I did eventually get one win off him. I'm like whenever playing ever again but it does not surprise me that Lulu and Yanu win the rewards less pressure so like it builds on itself this you know we've been said the other tribes are sitting people out like it's going to tend to disaster tribes in these small extreme
[00:10:29] sixes but then without the Flint like we saw this in the secret scene last week the way the storm affected them all differently like without you know as much supplies and everything like yeah it's going to compound on itself in production due you know they push that and I think that now considering Lulu which is particularly iconic I don't think that they should be pushing disaster tribes and I think that I mean give us two tribes but in three tribes at least like let's try and pull it to a point where like it's going to be a little bit more even.
[00:10:57] Yeah I mean I just I think it's an issue particularly with the season because this tribe just isn't that interesting like right from get go there was essentially an alliance and all of the entry was was based around yeah are they going to betray each other and the answer was no yeah and so I literally just picked off all the people on the bottom set out to us for episode one and here we are seven hours later.
[00:11:25] Right like it's a lot of content around not a huge storyline you know and that said like I don't think I'm necessarily as down on it as as some others because I do appreciate some amount of novelty the problem is that this is unfortunately something that we have seen I think a decent amount but I do think that like I appreciate what they've been trying to do with what they have in terms of like the way that they've added things
[00:11:54] you know at the start of this episode it's most recent episode I was I watched on streaming and I was saying my nightmare scenario my worst case the thing I am fearing right now is that this tribe loses again.
[00:12:06] And then we have another like oh but is it going to be Kenzie storyline and like that would just be worst case scenario and when they lost I was like oh here we go like I can't believe it I cannot believe they actually made a sit through three hours of the same thing.
[00:12:23] But I did I appreciated for myself at least that they actually did go in a different direction with it and that they gave a sort of like like funeral to banu and had this segment where he went through the five stages of grief.
[00:12:40] And you know they didn't try to do the same thing they always do and trick us into thinking something else might happen they instead gave us something that we don't usually see on the show and it was I appreciated that given that we didn't have a lot to show in the first place that they actually did break out of their formula to give us something different.
[00:13:03] I think the main issue comes with how it's been formatted in the first place in the fact that you know it shouldn't have been three hours to get there.
[00:13:12] It should have been in my opinion one episode like give us one episode where there's a meta back and then another and then banu leads and make it a double make it whatever you need to make it but like to stretch this out over so much time and you know I also think this is probably a better watch when you're binging it.
[00:13:32] I think watching it week to week is a more painful experience when you're just waiting for survivor to actually start happening.
[00:13:39] You know it's I think a tougher situation but yeah I mean I think that there are bits of it that I'm able to appreciate I think.
[00:13:50] Yeah I do think I monkey poured us a little bit because last week when we were mentioned the podcast I'm like I hope it's not like just like a boring banu vote and they were like how about a meta back into a boring banu vote so.
[00:14:00] I mean was somehow a worse situation but look I think we both have different like experience with this these kind of issues like I've always ever the Australian survivor which has much more time which is much longer now that we're in the 90 minute phase let alone to two hours to start the season they didn't know that banu's demise is going to be three hours but they thought it was going to be two where is the pool in case of emergency swap but anyway.
[00:14:23] Like maybe it's not this is what I mean like maybe it's not the pool in case of emergency swap but it's the pool in case of emergency edit where you just like you you truncate it you know like like okay.
[00:14:35] We were forced like we were forced to do two hours for two episodes at the start of the season like let's find a way to like mix and match something here like let's pull some content from here and put it here and will.
[00:14:47] You know make this smaller because there's not as much stuff here. I you know I feel like let's get even more creative with breaking the format and let's let's start to like you know get.
[00:14:58] Cut some corners and move some stuff around well it's interesting that you say that because a reason random gets medieval on its own episode is because they're going to be committed clearly to the double boot I assume split tribal but i'm happy to be surprised yeah if they're not committed to that then random can get medieval and have a vote.
[00:15:16] Honestly I do think body going last episode at the time I thought that would be worse because I enjoyed last episode more than words. I mean maybe enjoys this wrong word but like I maybe like this wrong word help me with the word I appreciate it.
[00:15:30] I don't know I was higher on the episode than most because at least firstly I felt Banner was hilarious there was so many funny moments especially last episode mostly pretty much last episode like from the moment when they were saying to him.
[00:15:42] You can lie to Jeff and he was like the gas that found that really funny to the point even when I was really upset about random like the idea of God smiting random and saving Banner was very funny and it was this arc where he'd been like down in the dumps.
[00:15:56] And had been saved and like as a Banner fan which we can talk about that was very cathartic and unfortunately I think you're much worse episode the next week where then it played out with no no saving there was something interesting in that although it was hard to watch for me like Banner like wrestle with his face it became very like real like it was I think it was compelling because it was so raw but it was it was really really tough but how they not have they not been connected to game structures that I disagree with something like the split tribal where it's like a lot of people are like.
[00:16:26] So we just want them to have some space at the most because most of these people when you're going to a tribal council and we like the big numbers something like having to have a finale start out of final five to go into fire making to go into a final three if that end game had more like in Australia's vibe of that end game had more flexibility.
[00:16:45] You know in Australia's five if there's medieval we go down to a final you know final two or they added non-alien but whatever it is they have to have to start kind of changing so it was that kind of format rigidness that necessitated the medieval anyway so I don't think it's so much of what they can do like episode wide up episode wise after that because once that's all been filmed to me like that's what's going to show like that they're going to kind of end on a vote they're probably not going to have like a two pie.
[00:17:15] So we've seen those they haven't loved those for me it's more just like how are they looking at the structure of this season going forward for me it is I mean they should be swapping anyway I think that's what we all want to try into a swap but let alone three tribes into a swap and for me kind of it is on production because it like for me with Australian survivor which is longer as I was saying like there's no like average season of Australian survival in my opinion.
[00:17:41] Awesome or terrible and even the one that's kind of middle is because the first half is terrible on the second is great like it's so hard to be mediocre when you have that much time if it's good it will highlight it to its best and if it's bad it will be very very difficult to get through and I think that's what people are seeing with 90 minutes and I think that's what I even said at the time and I've seen that even with longer survival side Africa episodes especially in the shorter days when there's less to show they can be time for the issue so yeah I think I think for production on the ground.
[00:18:11] It needs to be like responding in that moment especially knowing they could have extra time and like how important that stuff is but I feel like your expertise is on for something like big brother having watched that one season that I did.
[00:18:24] Like you're used to like okay people know they're going home this was a little bit but like people you know what I'm saying like it doesn't have to be as like and now the same structure like episode structure of like blind side and they don't know when suspense and I think that's why you appreciate something like that because you're used to it with big brother.
[00:18:38] Exactly yeah and you know like show like the brother which has been on for you know 25 years now as well where they have consistently since the very beginning shown if you want to you can just go online and see what's going to happen in every episode.
[00:18:55] You can even watch the raw footage of it before it's even edited into the episode and the people that are watching those live feeds.
[00:19:04] Are the people that are most invested in the show people that are watching the episodes more than anybody else and and that's not because it like basically because like they're not dissuaded from watching the episodes so I know what's going to happen or it's too broadcast or whatever.
[00:19:20] It's it's more so in terms of like you know big brother fans will get frustrated when the game feels stale and repetitive and predictable not necessarily when the edit does.
[00:19:31] And so in that said like I think survivor can go too far on the predictive predictability side like right when it's very obvious that somebody has a winner at it.
[00:19:41] I think that was a problem that they used to have in the past not as big of a problem now but I think the point being that like there's different ways you can play with that structure and and you can be like yeah this person is just screwed and we don't need to do a misdirect we can just kind of like.
[00:20:00] Follow the story of what is it like to be just screwed in this game and there's nothing you can do about it and that's the way things are and maybe also and this is what you know big brother shows me at least when i'm watching it is that like usually when one person is screwed.
[00:20:18] That means that the gameplay for that person yeah it's boring gameplay for the other people is still interesting because they're setting themselves up for what happens after this person is gone and there's still.
[00:20:30] Stuffing it's taking place there's deals being made there's relationships that are evolving and and being ruined and so when you're able to like defocus from the obvious storyline to focus on some other interesting things.
[00:20:45] You can really start to get somewhere now I say all this the episodes for brother don't always manage to do that in fact i would say most of the time they don't but.
[00:20:56] But I still think that there I know that there is a show that is capable of that even if it doesn't quite exist on CBS at least you know I think there may be some other shows like devil's plan or genius that are able to pull stuff like that off but.
[00:21:11] Hasn't quite made it to the US yet.
[00:21:14] That's an interesting point i'm also realizing the big brother connection and in saying that being flexible with the structure from a final two final three perspective is the reason so read not a survivor winner so monkey pouring a little bit.
[00:21:24] There as well they're always you know pro on the final two but it's interesting that you say like go to the other people because they'll be interesting I honestly and like let's talk about the bottom of it all.
[00:21:34] Like people amount the bond who got like such a big edit into be fair like a record amount of like airtime that is happening right now and like I honestly defend bond when i'm a boundary fan but like.
[00:21:45] I feel like bond was the only one really giving and I don't blame this cause i'm just saying that from like everyone else is perspective the other stuff we saw a tarot and where you're like go to the other people firstly yeah.
[00:21:54] Secret scenes this week yeah like was do they like not put out a third secret he was there nothing there to put out a third secret scene and then all it's not the cast fault and I do think the cast i don't think it's like the best class ever but I do think that this stuff there in the character moments have been my favorite stuff like you really reckoning losing the challenge last week like me in table tennis that reminds like that.
[00:22:13] That was one of my favorite moments i like that stuff but then you go to the like the rest of the players and as we're saying yano have.
[00:22:19] Internally pergonged all the people in the bottom not like so fascinating although they're pretty commit like in the way they're dealing with it and even the way they responded to money I thought was quite compelling.
[00:22:29] But then the other tribes it's not their fault like they have not been to tribal council so there's only so much they can do like not me have the drama the turning on each other for no damn reason we can talk about it but even that like how connected can we be to that when we haven't seen those dynamics manifest in a way that matters to us and see got chilling as they should be.
[00:22:47] And like gem trying to throw out again like some interesting stuff which I don't think is good gameplay because I think they should be the kumbaya chilling tribe and then I'd emerge the probably run things so.
[00:22:56] What are like the rest of the cost you don't have a lot to go on it's been all by now all the time so it's interesting i would like to see what it would be like to.
[00:23:05] To take an episode like this where it is a foregone conclusion and i'll say i did like watching.
[00:23:11] And I think that i personally appreciated watching vanyu on the screen i think that he's such like.
[00:23:18] He's such a raw player like he is.
[00:23:21] A completely unfiltered like how somebody experiences survivor emotionally like i think everybody that goes on the show to some degree feels the things that bano is experiencing but they have like various filters and things that will prevent them from like expressing it in that way and so he's.
[00:23:41] Just like this raw nerve all intrusive thought yeah just like having a good conversation with somebody but wait what if they were lying to me oh my god.
[00:23:50] And like oh this person just snapped at me everything's over like this is so hard like there's so much.
[00:23:55] There it's that open over again it keeps continuing to be proven true so you.
[00:24:02] You hate it okay can.
[00:24:04] I did I did appreciate it and enjoyed watching it to degree but i would like to see what it would be like.
[00:24:11] To take an episode like this where it is a foregone conclusion i think there are much more more boring episodes that we can use as example.
[00:24:18] But then instead of being like okay well this tribe lost immunity so the rest of the episode must be focused on this tribe say.
[00:24:27] Hey this is a fairly predictable vote we kind of know where it's going let's continue let's use this time to continue to explore the dynamics of the other tribes like what are they doing right now and they and the show does this sometimes but like i agree I think there are like what's happening with soda why does so to go to go to why do we have to wait until that episode to really figure out what happened there.
[00:24:52] When in this episode we're getting like a quick montage of like oh so does the social butterfly and we're getting clips of soda.
[00:24:58] Talking to people and i'm like i don't really see what you're talking about but if we spent a little more time there even though they're not going to tribal.
[00:25:05] Then maybe that could pay off and maybe that is something worth showing in that time frame and i think that maybe the show doesn't need to be.
[00:25:13] afraid of going down paths like story lines that won't end up mattering.
[00:25:19] That's something the big brother does all the time because it's airing live so there are all kinds of story lines that are just dead ends that's like we're following this we're following this oh it never ended up mattering and survivor you usually don't even show much of it because it's like they want to tell a fairly cohesive.
[00:25:33] Package of this is the story of the season and i think that there's value to that but i also think there's some value to hear something that just like happened never really went anywhere but it was kind of interesting at the time and it could have gone somewhere.
[00:25:46] And which again isn't say this or ever never does that but i think that there's you know i think there.
[00:25:51] Yeah i like experimenting let's play around we do two seasons a year like i'm fine with what's what's the season looked like where does something like that.
[00:26:00] Okay, but i have one very key rubble.
[00:26:05] jump scene.
[00:26:08] I what a what you don't like the jump scene that was.
[00:26:11] She wasn't even really having to jump it was more just like a run in a leap.
[00:26:15] It was more a run in a leap there was not even the most fun with the jump scene I think in the whole episode I was I was I was listening I tried to jump like she jumps i don't even know how she does it.
[00:26:25] It's it's more difficult to do a jump where you're like somehow going sideways instead of up and it is to do an actual jump.
[00:26:35] And i thought it was funny I especially appreciate that people are like hold on isn't this the woman that went on the show wipe out.
[00:26:44] And then of course like a bunch of insufferable people were like oh she's been lying about her jumping ability for screen time like no no watch the.
[00:26:52] You can jump in that show either.
[00:26:54] Really why there's no way they thought the jump scene was making it like surely some more interesting things are happening on the other tribes and they're like then that Taylor Swift thing we did that's never making it in a million years and then they combined jumping and Taylor Swift.
[00:27:07] And can I just honestly defend Charlie because from what I understand Charlie saw the era's tour like the week he went out having seen the era's tour just a couple weeks ago like i've never thought more.
[00:27:17] I did the same with like he's a fan i'm sure but he's at the height of his fandom especially jumping and saying Taylor Swift that's a jump on.
[00:27:25] It for me was just like well i mean if you have to jump for the key show but at the end it didn't have a pay you say things don't have pay off it didn't have a pay off she just had to run and then fall like gravity will do the rest that was no.
[00:27:35] Jumping was funnier the fact that it didn't end up mattering at all made it even better to me.
[00:27:42] Well the other thing is that there's no third secret scene and honestly i like i said to my i'm like then with third secret scene this week and he's like i don't know i'm like maybe.
[00:27:50] Did they not have a third secret scene like I genuinely feel like this is and it's an interesting now disagreement we've had you think change in the edit i think.
[00:27:59] There's nothing they added can do with this material they should have been on the ground being like.
[00:28:04] And like i like i've production consulted for South Africa so i know that there is like yes they come in and it's true they do have like.
[00:28:11] A rigid like birds like you have everything that's going to happen but i just think that at the point where they picked off jill and skin and they picked off Jess and they were going to pick off bano and then it was saved because god smite smite smite.
[00:28:24] Random they should be like whoo lucky got out of that one and then they should they should have a backup swap and I think they should ever see that in the moment because if.
[00:28:33] You know now 11 people of 18 i'm going to tribal council like the soda stuff becomes a lot more real at the point where those dynamics are playing out even at a swap like we saw with like.
[00:28:43] Bello last season so yeah i just think it's the on the ground not like much like mariah was because she couldn't.
[00:28:52] I do think you get into like some amount of tricky territory there where it's like.
[00:28:57] Like yes from our current vantage point.
[00:29:01] The decision to like have production interfere and change the course of the game for the sake of the season like could make some sense.
[00:29:09] But in the moment you don't always I think know how things are going to play and like let's say for instance that that decision ends up screwing over like a fan favorite.
[00:29:21] Now you have to edit the fan favorite so they're not a fan favorite so that people aren't pissed and now you're really starting to get into like a territory that.
[00:29:28] Over the course of many seasons in many years I think we'll get you in trouble.
[00:29:33] So I think that like you know what they have and I think another point here that's uh that I think is true is that they didn't anticipate this was going to be a 90 minute episode season or yeah they didn't they didn't know either way it was a possibility with doesn't been much better at 60 like a wee.
[00:29:50] I mean i i don't think it would i agree i don't think that it would have been like.
[00:29:56] Like a game changer necessarily but I do think that um you know there have been stretches of four episodes that i've found extremely boring and survivor before.
[00:30:07] But I think that like there's a big difference between what four episodes of like 45 minute episodes is like uh two like uh like three hours total versus the you know ridiculous runtime we have with these four episodes.
[00:30:23] I do think that that makes some amount of difference and and I know that personally like the second episode was just
[00:30:29] I think episode number two was a perfectly fine episode for me if it was one hour versus two hours.
[00:30:34] I think two hours is way too long for it um and i think that that is definitely contributing.
[00:30:39] I think when i look at the structure and robsethan are not a lot of complaining for two hours so this is my last thing and then we're gonna talk about the fact that they didn't avoid but then i'm gonna move on
[00:30:46] but i do think that for me it's like you shouldn't be doing this anyway.
[00:30:50] You shouldn't like you shouldn't need it to be going this poorly to know that you should be swapping at a point.
[00:30:55] You don't like hey you should be swapping and be the three tribes are so played out and so restrictive
[00:31:01] and then you're also contributing to disaster tribes and unless they're like
[00:31:05] wonderful it's gonna be you know one type of way it's definitely risky because it's extreme
[00:31:11] so like putting all your eggs in that basket with that basket's not that great anyway
[00:31:15] so that you should at least have a backup plan let alone like that should not have been your first plan
[00:31:19] so i think that's the structural issue as well.
[00:31:22] I had a like a random idea of a thought that came to me when i was watching this episode which was
[00:31:30] you know what if again what if we start messing around with with the format a little more
[00:31:35] i think you know it's kind of it can be kind of boring to watch the same people go to tribal every time
[00:31:40] what if we made every tribe go to tribal or or since that's probably not super feasible all the time
[00:31:47] what if we did something like you can't go to tribal back to back that in a retribute format
[00:31:53] you lose and then you get autumn you get a buy for the next round you have automatic immunity
[00:31:58] in the next immunity challenge is the other two tribes competing to see which one of them goes
[00:32:04] and and so now all of a sudden you know it's it's it's a slightly different game and there's
[00:32:10] different strategy that would might would maybe have to come along with that in terms of like
[00:32:15] you know should we choose to go to tribal at some point at a specific time because
[00:32:20] you know i'd rather go now than in you know five days when things might not be the same
[00:32:27] you know so i don't know right no i mean it's an interesting idea i think it's probably
[00:32:33] methane with the format too much because there should be an idea of like you know
[00:32:37] earning things to the boy i also because like another big i think aspect for me is
[00:32:43] you know and i get i people like Austin there's no problem it's uh wait Austin what's his name
[00:32:48] is it Austin i don't know who you told me about golden boy what's his name hunter i'm like someone on
[00:32:53] this season it was an awesome last piece i'm glad that my winning pick method is really made an
[00:33:00] impression on you and and i think that there's i think there's like value in what hunter brings to
[00:33:07] a season you know i was you know as a kid i liked watching the Aussies and the Terry Deets' of the
[00:33:12] world um but uh but i think that like it's just the fact that challenge performance is so so
[00:33:23] valuable in these early especially into three tribe format with six people on your tribe
[00:33:28] it's a huge let's face a huge part of the reason this this uh losing tribe continues to lose is
[00:33:32] because they voted out jolensky first they should have the freedom to vote out jolensky first if they
[00:33:37] want to without completely screwing themselves over and i think that like devaluing uh the challenges
[00:33:44] a little bit through something like this or something else like this um i think would be would
[00:33:50] be interesting to me because i you know i do think that there's a bit of an issue with demographics
[00:33:55] when it comes to uh you know these early portions of the game and who you're basically allowed
[00:34:01] to vote out yeah i see that but i don't think that it's not necessary to then jump to to jump
[00:34:08] to um like we're right really the jump on she didn't jump it was anyway to to walk and then fall
[00:34:15] into going to that extreme like game design change because you could just have two tribes you could
[00:34:21] just swap some of the physicality and it's important you could just you know yeah you could just
[00:34:26] give them flint there's so many things there you know you don't have to add anything it's actually
[00:34:29] just like they kind of act like it's just like taking away what they've been putting in um which is
[00:34:34] anyway like so stagnate boys said this about the new era it's like it's it's so so homogenous
[00:34:40] and like not in a way but it's like they have they they really landed it you know like it's such a
[00:34:43] fantastic format how could they deviate that's not where it's been but we've just been here for six seasons
[00:34:47] so we've robbed the drops and went on a lot of the same two hours but i think we see the you know
[00:34:51] the issues here um and then just like the last thing is that how they didn't vote um for me i was like
[00:34:58] it's been said but like no no i mean i thought it was dismissive of varner like it's actually
[00:35:04] interesting because in recent us anostralian survivor it's like them going to a vote around a quit
[00:35:09] has been very much a point of discussion this was not a quit like this is just someone getting
[00:35:14] voted out in very predictable fashion i didn't like the jeff even said at tribal council
[00:35:19] varner you don't have a vote so you can play it on the dark i'm like that's privileged information
[00:35:22] like for some reason he could be lying about that like don't put that into like the game knowledge
[00:35:27] structure like your production you are god yeah the one varner is crying too but like you know like
[00:35:33] and that separation needs to be very very clear and i think people have said that you know in the
[00:35:37] future the precedent that's been set is like can we just varner this guy what if that guy like has an
[00:35:41] idol you know so they said a weird precedent and there was no reason and they easily could have just
[00:35:46] like yada yada threw a vote so that was my take on that yeah i think that's it's like a fair take
[00:35:53] and i pretty much had the same one like because my my thought was the same like my initial thought was
[00:35:57] like what if right like what if anything else could have happened um obviously in my immediate
[00:36:04] thought after that was like well okay well jeff knows like they all they know like they've been
[00:36:07] filming them um so like he knows that nothing's gonna change and that this is exactly how it is
[00:36:12] and that they think that he doesn't have the vote and all that but i agree i think that there's still
[00:36:16] that there's still that like little bit of a chance like maybe banyu was planning to lay over
[00:36:21] and die in tribal but uh but then in the middle of it he decided you know what maybe i'll throw a
[00:36:26] hell marry uh and you know it it wouldn't have changed anything i think in the circumstance but
[00:36:32] you're right like the i think the practice of the precedent is there means that you know it's i mean
[00:36:37] it becomes part of the game in some ways that like uh you know maybe in a future season that is what happens
[00:36:44] and if i'm in a tribe where it should be an obvious vote and somebody doesn't have their vote then
[00:36:48] i'll be like uh all right jeff i mean i i don't think we even need to vote tonight uh and if jeff
[00:36:53] is like oh no i think we need to vote then i'm gonna be like all right okay good to know
[00:36:59] yeah i'm nice to be fans of re-improduction all the time so yeah i thought that was wrong
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[00:39:37] i thought the barno to get into some of the strategy like obviously he's been spoken about like him
[00:39:42] doing the rock in his pocket coming back from the journey like i mean he didn't even want to try
[00:39:47] to eat my advantage like his instinct was he would rather the one in six shot in the dark
[00:39:50] which was kind of crazy to me and then to come back and tell them that he like he just left with
[00:39:57] his word let alone having the like trust issue with having told cue the real truth was clearly
[00:40:03] like such a miss because bony what's such an incredible opportunity in that they felt he couldn't lie
[00:40:08] like even when he comes back and he's like oh i just left with my vote they're like okay like they
[00:40:11] believed him like use that you know like if he'd come back and been like oh i don't i don't have
[00:40:16] anything and they're like see bony con like he's trying to lie to us and add and use that ability of
[00:40:21] like oh no you guys called me i have something then just the fear of that now they probably do just
[00:40:26] go down the line to vote him out because they can't really split like two on one against like
[00:40:32] kensy like his one vote on on one of them just like takes it to a kensy say like Tiffany tie
[00:40:38] you know they're either like all in on voting out kensy or the role in on voting him out
[00:40:42] maybe they go well all in on voting out kensy maybe that there's that fear um
[00:40:48] like i think there's something there for banyu but obviously this is not the like people often say
[00:40:51] so that's not the human that he is but like in my mind and that's what's the best but yeah
[00:40:56] yeah i mean it's it's always difficult uh with the player like banyu because it's like yes we
[00:41:02] could point to that moment we could also point to like any other moment you know what i mean
[00:41:07] like there's not more than one is hot or tough yeah yeah um but yeah i yeah i agree i mean
[00:41:15] i think that um on honestly i i agreed with him in the sense that like uh i did i wouldn't want
[00:41:22] to go for an advantage the fact that um oh really yeah because let's face it he's going to get an extra
[00:41:28] vote and an extra vote in that spot is me you don't know um i don't know they just saw 44 where people
[00:41:35] were getting things like random things like the one that like netted all the idols played on that
[00:41:39] we have now but like just they were throwing out new things like jones can be incredibly arbitrary
[00:41:45] yeah that i mean that is fair in idle he could get a temporary idle he didn't 43
[00:41:50] yeah um yeah i mean i guess it maybe depends on that but like the fact that it's a chance
[00:41:57] at something that you need like it also has to be something that is specific enough to your
[00:42:02] circumstance that it works for you um and if not you lose the one actual thing you have which
[00:42:08] is like a 16% shot at being okay uh you know it's just like how do you want to do that math and you know
[00:42:16] it just depends on on your own confidence and if you're able to get the thing in the first place
[00:42:21] and all of that so i do like the idea of bono being like i think i'd be happier without the extra vote um
[00:42:28] because i like it's so the journey itself i know we're going back to last week but like obviously
[00:42:32] this is all just like a two-part episode but he um the i thought that started off really great
[00:42:36] like what i said that i felt last week had a lot of great character moments when was hilarious like
[00:42:40] banu sobbing to ben being like that does not rock was hilarious to me and like ben is a
[00:42:47] cartoon character in the best way i think the ben is playing a phenomenal game this one of my
[00:42:50] major takeaways from the last couple of weeks there's like ben is playing survivor as you should be
[00:42:56] in this like stage of the game um that was so fun but then the then the journey does the worst
[00:43:01] thing it's like we're going to do a random draw into like individual pathways and like no the communal
[00:43:06] decision-based stuff is the because all you have you know like if they had a similar games even last
[00:43:11] time where they could choose to maybe even give up their votes to banu or not to tell them to his face
[00:43:17] like hey like you know we're we're not so if it's like they could all show their cards and and help
[00:43:23] banu out there like that would have been so interesting but that was like rog from us i felt
[00:43:27] that's actually that is actually super interesting the idea that like if you go to this place
[00:43:32] if you're able to convince two people from another tribe to give up their vote to you uh like
[00:43:39] the joe crying do you then deserve those votes right and then like you know i'm thinking about like
[00:43:45] if i'm in a majority on a tribe and and you know this this guy gets sent off and he comes back with
[00:43:49] like three votes i'm going to be kind of pissed but like you know i don't know it's the same thing
[00:43:54] if you find an idol right like uh if anything um it's more impressive than finding an idol to convince
[00:44:00] two other people to give their vote to yourself yeah i'm in the more like the game with the um
[00:44:04] you know the skull and so it's like you know i know i know you mean but like
[00:44:08] but in fact you were saying i'm like hey can i borrow your vote yeah like imagine that's a word
[00:44:14] you spot me a vote like and i'll tell you i'm so much wrapped with that then like a random advantage
[00:44:19] like go to this place um and just just chat uh like there's things that you can do you can play a
[00:44:26] game if you want you can negotiate if you want uh like uh give them some freedom to operate there
[00:44:32] and you know and it's because it you know it reminds you of course of uh jt and uh and russell right
[00:44:40] giving up giving up the idol in hopes for a future ally and you know i think there's some interesting
[00:44:45] stuff there yeah i mean that that is that's kind of like what the outpost has been in international
[00:44:50] survive i know robsis is just a journey but it has been a little bit more varied than like these
[00:44:53] kind of games um which have in their own way been pretty versatile but um yeah that would have been
[00:44:58] great like if you can do i don't like the things i don't want to lean too hard into the voter
[00:45:02] economy but then that would have been really fun fun and interesting i don't think they'd be like look
[00:45:06] you're on you're on desktop like am i giving my vote to you but they seem to feel really bad so
[00:45:11] you know um but yeah all the way around like at the point where he just like loses his void
[00:45:16] and the challenge goes poorly it was just so devastating and then only the devastation of a
[00:45:21] medi-back which goes without saying how pro medical immunity i am even though it wouldn't have
[00:45:25] worked for this instance obviously i um you know if they could have taken him out for the test that
[00:45:29] was obviously the way that we've done it at a strand survivor that's what i'm you know pro doing
[00:45:34] but um yeah and then like the way that like god saved him and then but then this week messed with
[00:45:39] that what what happens with like the medical aspect on big brother like do they get taken out for
[00:45:44] tests and then they come back or what happens i know that that woman broke her leg and then
[00:45:48] was that running rates even i know that christmas christmas bully had surgery and back into the house
[00:45:54] after exactly i guess because it's like the the like being deprived on survivor that people have
[00:45:59] the real issue with they're like well if you go to stay in a hospital like you're getting too much
[00:46:03] sustenance it's like no that person's in real danger like that's much worse for that person
[00:46:08] like this happened to george on austrian survivor and like he did he miss tribal council which is
[00:46:13] dicey for people and even i'm still pro because i hate obviously many vaxi me it's even worse like
[00:46:18] let's just like do everything we can to keep people playing but if you're not even missing tribal yeah
[00:46:22] like george saying like for the in the hospital that night was way worse and more traumatic and
[00:46:27] worse for his long-term game than like being on an island even in a storm so yeah if we're doing
[00:46:33] it on big brother and Australian survivor it feels like this is the way to go with you know the way
[00:46:37] to treat people yeah and it's not like people are gonna be like baking injuries to get the advantage
[00:46:43] of going to the hospital and like you know what i mean like that's an absurd thought like like
[00:46:48] this it's it's strictly there for a case where somebody has a medical emergency uh and you could
[00:46:55] say like oh well it especially if he if somebody misses tribal like that's changing the game might
[00:47:00] be an unfair advantage but it's again in my opinion a situation where like what if him being
[00:47:05] kicked out of the game is an unfair advantage to his enemies uh an unfair disadvantage to his allies
[00:47:11] an unfair advantage to somebody who is about to be voted out that night but tribal has to be cancelled
[00:47:16] so on and so forth right somebody who needed his vote no matter what you choose there's going
[00:47:21] to be some kind of impact on the game you might as well just choose like the most compassionate thing
[00:47:28] yeah that's very true it's like a medevac or some sort of medical incident is deviating from
[00:47:34] the natural path of what the season was doing so in any way whether he's medically evacuated whether
[00:47:38] someone comes back um whether they miss a tribal council it's going to mess with that in some way so
[00:47:43] again you might as well do the thing where like it just starts to watch someone be medically evacuated
[00:47:48] having their dream then he has to come back next season because Bruce said that precedent and i'd
[00:47:52] like to see it honestly because it breaks my heart to see these these medevac so yeah you might as
[00:47:56] well do the kind thing where we don't all just feel sad um even though god did kind of make a decision
[00:48:04] you know it was god's vote don't leave what we've seen into episodes poor randin um but again
[00:48:10] hilarious that yanu were like oh first win i'm like that man isn't danger like anyway um let's talk
[00:48:18] about like yanu let's talk about it because i um yeah i felt like yanu are doing a lot of
[00:48:23] things wrong um i don't do we agree but it was never staying right like surely
[00:48:30] yeah i don't i don't think i buy the narrative that like kensy would have been voted out last time
[00:48:34] yeah it just it's it's it's an unbelievably bad decision that i can't believe it
[00:48:42] yeah it's it's so bad like okay so here's my like macro new era tape okay
[00:48:48] and it's so particularly true of yanu and even across the board like someone like you
[00:48:55] or any of these newer people who are putting these really restricted tribes where there's not a lot
[00:48:58] of opportunity kind of for to be like i'm threatened by that person like you need to build something
[00:49:04] like kensy needs to be an asset to you you just saw tika and like they had their share of issues too
[00:49:08] but like you Tiffany and kensy needed to be the dream team you are up against it you've made
[00:49:12] yourself so transparent and bono didn't help with that but they're like oh bono said that we're
[00:49:16] up here like they knew this stuff like it's that clear on the mat it's clear that they should
[00:49:20] even take bono to the journey they put themselves out there and they're up against it from a numbers
[00:49:26] perspective the three of them need to go in and if kensy is such a social butterfly mermaid dragon
[00:49:31] all three great great yeah you're so lucky the same way that they were also lucky that that
[00:49:37] cars on the smart and the jam jam was with social threat and the caravan had an idol like there's so
[00:49:42] many things that the tika did the tika together they just saw that so like yes you need to go out
[00:49:46] and use that and the same thing with like as we move like typically going to hold on army like
[00:49:50] tabling with soda like they have such a bond they're singing there's a secret scene where he like
[00:49:54] he loses her shoes and she's like it's fine it's really nice he says he's like I'm bonded with
[00:49:59] her so deeply but she's a threat i'm like you're up to be fair pretty bored because you haven't
[00:50:03] been to traffic i don't know what yarn is excuses but like like good you have a really bonded
[00:50:09] person to you think it's like a social asset like that sounds like a day 22 problem like the fact
[00:50:14] that you're wanting to cut into your own numbers when you're given so few social opportunities
[00:50:19] in the beginning of the season is terrible you should not be cutting you should be building
[00:50:23] so it's a cue who i think like did at the point where Jeff came and was like god is chosen i feel
[00:50:28] like that cue was still hoping that barnu would stay and i feel like Tiffany always like we would
[00:50:34] never gonna do and it would have definitely tended to like hens he would have stayed but like yeah
[00:50:38] for cue he's not getting nearly as much out of barnu as he wants he soon comes to realize like even barnu
[00:50:42] was thrown him under the bus at the journey could easily flip like it's hard enough to manage him
[00:50:49] let alone the fact that like he's not being managed as well as you think i think that was like
[00:50:53] particularly true in the last episode so like that's a that's a liability that's gone and kens he
[00:50:58] should be someone that you should be working on and that should be someone that you're taking to like
[00:51:01] you guys are working towards like a final six one of five and then we'll deal with it like it
[00:51:06] fire like i can't believe the people are worried about this now and especially like people who
[00:51:09] haven't been to tribal council who like know they're going to war hopefully in these groups and
[00:51:15] like need capital for it yeah i completely agree i had the exact same thought i was like
[00:51:20] the whole thing i mean the the the maybe kensy over barnu was was wild to me but it came from the
[00:51:26] same people that voted jolensky out first and again like it's jolensky but also let's face you would
[00:51:32] have won a couple of those immunities agreed um so uh actually listen to the best like barnu and like
[00:51:38] and Jess like hated those people like it's concerning how out they made them feel like jolensky was
[00:51:43] where are four they should be in a four with jolensky right now yes i agree i agree yeah
[00:51:49] and if jolensky you know like for as much of a mess as he was like jolensky's the kind of guy that's
[00:51:55] probably going to go into emerge uh and make a target of himself uh as opposed to players like
[00:52:00] barnu and Jess who i don't think will be targets at emerge their targets when you're trying to form
[00:52:06] a cohesive group but they're not targets when you're trying to take out cohesive groups um and
[00:52:12] take out threats like the idea that um so so my point is that like we get to um to uh to
[00:52:19] taverns tribe and uh and and i was just like i can't believe i'm hearing the same thing
[00:52:25] you he's talking about like how soda is the kind of person that's just gonna like if she
[00:52:29] she makes the merge she's gonna like find herself in the final three something along those lines
[00:52:32] i'm like what do you mean what do you mean like uh it's the complete opposite venus is the person
[00:52:41] that will probably be at the at the final five final four final three because she's not part of your
[00:52:46] group and therefore not threatening and in this especially in this new arameta of cutting the highest
[00:52:52] you know uh head that sticks out of the hidey hole uh you know it's uh maybe whack him all i don't
[00:52:59] know how to say it um you know those are the people that are dangerous at the merge
[00:53:03] the people like soda who's going to uh if she is what you think she is make herself a big target
[00:53:10] and make it easy to to you know get gather people up to go after her those are people you
[00:53:16] actively want at the merge um because how are you gonna actively gather people up to be like hey
[00:53:24] we really need to take out the threat that is venus when she has nobody else and she's not a
[00:53:30] social butterfly and she's uh you know uh you know uh you know according to how they seem to treat
[00:53:35] abrasive and doesn't get along with people like you know for better or worse and again i don't
[00:53:40] love this about the three tribe format those are the people that definitely need to be voted out uh in
[00:53:46] the early days of uh of the season and it's it's the more danger you want as many threats as possible
[00:53:54] around you you want to be like number five on that list not number two yeah honestly if soda
[00:54:00] manages to make it to the end that sounds like that season's gone pretty well for teb and like he's
[00:54:03] somewhere around there too like they're working together and that sounds like not maybe dominated
[00:54:08] like you're right so venus and barnu have a lot in common there's actually some similarities
[00:54:12] in these two dynamic they both have an n and u in the latter half of their name
[00:54:16] and they also are two people that the rest of the tribe is especially in someone like teb and
[00:54:22] who's making this decision has have made feels so bad that they're like they hate you that their
[00:54:27] venus is i mean she said she's she's gone even barnu like didn't give a really direct answer
[00:54:32] but was kind yeah i thought like barnu's gone he likes ben and liars way more than he likes any of you
[00:54:37] who've made him feel so bad and yes they're not going to be targeted like i think the discussion
[00:54:41] last week was like if they swap which i was really but if they like if barnu can make it through this
[00:54:46] and gets to emerge like he's long for the game we talk about it in international survivor where
[00:54:50] someone who's like been voted to the other tribe basically had a were saved by an on elimination
[00:54:54] which barnu was if they can get through that tricky spot often sitting in like a final tribal council
[00:55:00] thereabouts because obviously there's no heat on them you know at the merge so you look at someone
[00:55:05] like kensy for q kensy is a gift for someone like q who's like a big strong threat and you're hearing
[00:55:12] that kensy is the mastermind and she's so socially clock why kensy is not someone transparent
[00:55:17] someone like that who was not subtle and who everyone's already onto is not winning this game
[00:55:22] and great let her take up the round if we're taking the shot at yan u let it be on kensy
[00:55:26] because somehow it's still it wouldn't be on q i'm let her try and make allies and if that doesn't
[00:55:30] work at least she's the sacrifice which is wonderful and if someone who's as charismatic it's such a
[00:55:35] big personality like like did i say person Natalie that's my personality like tevin has a soda
[00:55:42] in front of him who's even more transparently sparkly somehow and is also hiding this too with hunter
[00:55:48] such a similar dynamic compared to you know like actually tiffin q are the real like duo threat
[00:55:54] and they have this other shield out in front of them yeah if the hit comes on nami it sounds like
[00:55:58] it's coming for soda like what a gift and invest in it so for both of them i thought very wrong and bad
[00:56:07] for q i do think that he did the best with banyu over these two episodes especially in the last
[00:56:11] episode knowing that q kutsu um that that banyu could survive or that you know if they win a challenge
[00:56:16] they get to the next phase of the game like meeting him for those challenges he did the best job
[00:56:21] job i think of bringing banyu in and banyu said like he felt the closest to q he didn't see all
[00:56:26] a standard by being called philip or a liability over and over and over and over again um you know
[00:56:31] and he was like he had the patience q obviously that like kenzie who like momentarily snapped it
[00:56:36] in i thought that stuff was good but i thought any of the intention was just like completely the
[00:56:40] wrong way to look at this like first part of the game so um yeah i mean q calls banyu his philip
[00:56:49] and and like the problem with trying to approach the game like that is that austin rob had his philip
[00:56:55] like thirteen years ago uh like 26 ish you know i guess 24 seasons ago um like
[00:57:05] it was a long time ago it was a different era it was a different meta um and a different format
[00:57:10] two tribes where yes you could go into the merge with a tribal majority um and having the
[00:57:17] right consistency of like like players to non-players uh could mean that you just stomp your way
[00:57:25] to the end but with the current era of survivor and the current casting the current meta re-tribe
[00:57:30] format you can't go into the merge with them with a straight majority which means that you have
[00:57:35] to be doing other stuff and you can't just be like here's the exact consistency of the group
[00:57:40] that i want and i'll just run down at the end with this exact group uh you have to play a little more
[00:57:44] defensively you have to play a little more like okay i need people around me to take hits for me
[00:57:50] so that uh like while we're at war i survive the onslaught and then in the rubble i'm able to then
[00:57:57] form whatever group i need to make uh you pick up your philips after the merge not before i think in
[00:58:03] this format um and and i think that's uh that's like very key can i just say as well when we talk
[00:58:11] about the philips boss and robin is philip do we ever talk about another example of that um ever
[00:58:18] or is that like the one successful example by one of the most dominant players in global survivor
[00:58:24] history like the name that is synonymous with the show that boss and rob did that with philip
[00:58:29] impressively well has anyone i'm trying to i guess anyone had this success because even like our
[00:58:34] rob not to not to compare the robes but like our rob had a material in that work for ages and then
[00:58:39] material turned on him you know like these road players will go rogue and i just saw this in a
[00:58:43] straining survivor where one of the best social players i've ever seen had a philip life player
[00:58:48] and couldn't hack it eventually you know because it was too hard as the strands of i was very long
[00:58:53] doing that for 47 days is a lot but um that player became like too much of a liability to the point
[00:58:59] where it actually was like for the good player it became like they had to make some pretty big
[00:59:03] sacrifices numerically to get rid of that player um because it was just too hard like i don't think
[00:59:09] the boss around philip think people like it's kind of like a tony thing it's like that that might
[00:59:12] have been a unicorn situation like i don't know that just like mere mortals can be like yep i'm
[00:59:16] dragging you through the game difficult to manage your player yeah i think i think that um it is
[00:59:23] more difficult than people think it is um i think that philip is probably just like the most extreme
[00:59:28] example i'm sure there are plenty of like lesser philips so to speak but i think so i mean like
[00:59:36] even adding the rea gets very close to the end twice and then everyone's like conduit
[00:59:41] if they cut her like lot of vibe philip you know yeah like um they're not always brought to
[00:59:48] the final three they're not always like the exact circumstances but i do think like
[00:59:53] basically the concept of having somebody whose head is not like super in the game who's just
[00:59:59] going to be like a super solid loyal number to me uh that i don't really like i maybe need to
[01:00:03] manage their personality but i don't need to worry about them strategically uh is is like yeah
[01:00:09] you i think we see that a decent amount in survivor i think we see it uh plenty on big brother as well
[01:00:15] where uh it's just it's it's good to have um but uh but i but i think that you know it's
[01:00:23] it's difficult to have until and i think this is part of the point i think that survivor doesn't
[01:00:28] want that to be the case i don't think they want that to be possible um and that's why i don't really
[01:00:33] think it is in the current format i think that if you're gonna have a quote unquote philip uh that
[01:00:38] person needs to be picked up post-merge i think they also are not really casting many philips nowadays
[01:00:43] so uh i think that's another part of it yeah i think it's i just think it's quite tough because
[01:00:49] i think that the main reason you want them is for like a final three like that's where they will
[01:00:52] you know like boss and rob the jury didn't love him like but he you know he had some people next to
[01:00:57] him that he could beat so i think that that's where like the juice becomes worth the squeeze but
[01:01:01] it's very very hard to get to that point and like having to manage them when it becomes untenable
[01:01:05] even like midway through the merges and how poor and as we're saying when you really like have to
[01:01:09] pick your allies and you don't even really get much of a choice in this early phase like i don't
[01:01:13] think you can afford it you know uh give me the shields give me the assets give me people who are
[01:01:17] really especially for disaster tribe like yanu give me people who are going to go out and like spread
[01:01:22] their wings and bring in allies and kensis just like so perfect um Tiffany's in a great position
[01:01:27] with that because she has like the true loyalty with kensi too but it's still like um you know kind of
[01:01:32] like probably will be seen as a cabeta to her which is just great well it's also i mean it also comes
[01:01:36] down to like fire making in the current final three format where it's like you know it would be great
[01:01:42] if i had two philips right uh and i could just feel super safe we'll always just have the vote
[01:01:48] and even if the wrong person wins immunity at four uh oh i'll just vote out one of my philips
[01:01:54] like it's not the worst thing in the world whereas in the current format you can't get your safety
[01:01:59] you need somebody who's a bigger threat than you to guarantee your spot in the final three
[01:02:04] and so it's i think a different sort of formula that you have you're right yeah you need a shield
[01:02:09] you need someone who could even win immunity and bring you you need different things in the
[01:02:13] yet today yeah so but i do think you know q was doing good stuff around like around managing
[01:02:19] vano but it was the it was not worth it um in terms of those two tribes i think that's kind of
[01:02:24] where i'm at with it i mean i'd like to talk about it actually from hunter and lizard's perspective
[01:02:28] because tevin's the one really cutting that ally Liz i think like i'm like this is
[01:02:32] been grateful is like she gets brought in which i think is like that's been wonderful so actually for
[01:02:37] her she actually like she is building something on that obviously like responding to it um i don't
[01:02:42] know how bad her relationship is with Venus and how much of a liability that it's specifically
[01:02:46] but it doesn't seem like it seems like that'll really come for tevin like tevin year is in trouble
[01:02:50] so she gets like she built something really strong here with tevin and hunter and being like you know
[01:02:55] brought up in in the hierarchy for hunter i was like a little conflicted because i do see how it's
[01:02:59] like an individual win where he's like oh you know i want to be closer to tevin at the same time once
[01:03:03] tevin is saying that like you are done and maybe you still have an ally in a shield so i still think
[01:03:07] especially for someone like hunter if he can manage to get soda and tevin in front of him despite
[01:03:13] the fact that he is like basically the challenge like Jonathan and the season like that would be
[01:03:17] amazing and i think that he should be like tevin yes but like in the future and then you know
[01:03:20] that you have him first anyway so i still think he could afford to build a little more
[01:03:26] i mean a couple of things there like first of all um hunter this is my favorite hunter that i've had
[01:03:32] all season uh like hunter winning challenges your thought of name was Austin uh that's what i mean
[01:03:39] i haven't been like i've been just like okay it's another dude that's good at growing balls into
[01:03:43] hoops like okay great um but uh when he when he went into confessional and said yeah i'm super
[01:03:54] down to go after soda because uh tevin's my guy and uh she's oh no i think what he said was
[01:04:01] she's my biggest threat in this game uh at getting to tevin because he's my number one and i don't
[01:04:08] want him to have somebody on something along this life like i want to be the closest to my guy tevin
[01:04:12] i was just like yes yes i love this um because it's uh yeah it's terrible logic but like i love how
[01:04:19] open he is about it like it's such a such a bad such bad reasoning and just pull on emotional
[01:04:26] honesty just like yeah i'm just jealous um and i want her gone but yeah the fact that tevin is
[01:04:31] willing to cut her in the first place means that you're closer to tevin. You're number one yeah
[01:04:35] you did it you won that already once that's done you just need to go home in fact i'm
[01:04:39] more threatening than you like it works coffee people be a means to an end for all of you like
[01:04:44] i don't understand what's like now i know what i think there was part of that with you now yeah i
[01:04:50] think there was part of that with you as well where like he talked but like hensy wants
[01:04:54] me out to get to you and it was like a fight over who's most loyal to tevin and uh it's just like
[01:05:01] like yeah listen listen it's fine for it's day seven uh
[01:05:08] will be okay also this is tiffinie it's like yeah like if you're discussing with tiffinie like
[01:05:13] tiffinie's made her choice like tiffinie is closer to q like if they go to travel council again and i
[01:05:17] beg you god that smoot randon i beg you not to do it to us but i'll be out now i'm on my knees with
[01:05:25] god but like hensy's out right like there's a talk to two of this tribe they've achieved that
[01:05:28] like you're fine you're both in the great spot you have a shield and you have a job that's perfect
[01:05:33] while to pitch that specific thing to her as well like uh like i think she's gonna take me out to get
[01:05:39] closer to you uh like i think she wants to work really tightly with you like how is that convincing
[01:05:45] tiffinie to get rid of kensy yeah like this sounds perfect to me yeah if somebody said that
[01:05:50] to me it'd be like oh man that sucks yeah too bad we need her yeah yeah yeah being in the middle of
[01:05:57] this awful oh man i can't believe that to both people really want to work me so bad this is a tough
[01:06:04] situation yeah bonding has to go yeah you've been bono though um yeah i mean look if kensy's a mermaid
[01:06:12] dragon like that is wonderful for yanu and yeah it's been said because we're a week late but i had
[01:06:17] scripted it's but like yeah the fact that a mermaid half is just human is wonderful it's just so
[01:06:22] funny i love bono i miss bono i understand that if you didn't like bono which i went on his
[01:06:27] instagram and i can't believe people are sending that sweet man hate but like um if you don't like
[01:06:31] bit bono these two episodes would have been borderline on watchable but like for me as a bono fan
[01:06:36] who loved that he was did he was giving all of himself and this was like the great like a marri
[01:06:41] can dream but it was just going so poorly uh i was so connected to the journey and i'm actually like
[01:06:48] so sad that it that it ended the way that it did but um yeah interesting that these two tribes are
[01:06:52] so similar in the end but should we talk about seagull a little bit because it's you know the vibe
[01:06:56] drive the vibe tried continues to to vibe except for the fact that jem is like you're all gonna get
[01:07:01] bitten by ants um can i just say how much i hate it doesn't prove like i understand their bored
[01:07:07] she's trying to bring something because she's like you can't just have the jump segment
[01:07:11] see you need something else you did the tailors with metallic a thing we have jumping in the middle
[01:07:14] can we have some strategy and all we've had is her like finding beware days ago and then planting it um
[01:07:21] i really really dislike this because i felt again unnecessarily destructive when you should be
[01:07:28] building things like they already are like so much like obviously it's we can think that this
[01:07:34] has been planted the the heat of that could so easily come onto her even if a couple of people
[01:07:39] suspect it like why would you allow that to happen you don't need this level of anti social gameplay
[01:07:46] basically and then it becomes if you ever need to use it with someone to tell them they'll be like wait
[01:07:49] so you were the one who put us into the ass like i guess you could just kind of live yeah you know
[01:07:53] it's bored like funny and playful but it's not great or when she plays it like it's i guess a
[01:07:58] resume move for a final travel council that i guess isn't two weeks but like it like there's nothing
[01:08:04] there i don't think it adds a lot but i just think it makes it look untrustworthy and put possible heat
[01:08:09] on her when the rest of the tribe is doing like the right thing by just being like so socially connected
[01:08:13] and by the yes i you're completely right but here's what i loved about it um i loved that's
[01:08:22] because i feel like normally something like this would happen on the show and i would be on a
[01:08:26] podcast like i get it was fun but this was obviously an awful move right and i'd feel the need to do
[01:08:32] that because the show usually portrays these things as like a really great smart move um and what
[01:08:38] i loved about this episode was that they didn't feel the need to do that like gem tells us like
[01:08:44] i'm bored i'm just having fun um even i'm bored are you bored if you is right so like there wasn't
[01:08:50] this like push to be like look how sneaky and awesome i am and look at all of them scrambling what a
[01:08:57] great move this was and then i and then i feel like i like i got to be a killjoy and be like
[01:09:02] this is awful what are you doing there's no there's no purpose to this um but instead i feel like
[01:09:07] they they rightfully just pointed out like this is just a person like having fun uh and and
[01:09:13] messing with their drivemates even she is not like necessarily saying this was like the best idea in
[01:09:18] the world um maybe she does feel that way but they're not like they're not trying to sell us on
[01:09:23] that because they understand and we understand that this is there's no upside to this like uh it is
[01:09:29] just throwing suspicion within the group um and and leading to a manhunt that might eventually
[01:09:36] like land on her and now i've said she has to like keep throwing out suspicion on somebody else
[01:09:41] he's all this could have been avoided if they just never found anything in the first place but
[01:09:45] you got to watch some people being bitten by ants and that was fun wasn't wasn't fun anyway my
[01:09:50] wife back to the my wife questions um yeah i feel like there wasn't a lot here because i feel like
[01:09:55] the rest of the travel this is why i feel like bin i'm really high on bin um the cheesy chastle
[01:10:01] reflect that but i feel like i mean i felt like last episode the lie was good you know coming back
[01:10:06] from the journey and using the fact that like you know barn is probably gone he's the other person
[01:10:13] in the journey out to know like exactly when we would have found out about the advantage like it
[01:10:19] still was like pretty clear to the notice like yeah you're gonna get an advantage or not but he just
[01:10:22] said i don't know if i have one i dream no if i have my vote and it is hard to be vulnerable without a
[01:10:26] vote and he didn't do that he picked a rock and then have to you know there's no part of his agency
[01:10:30] I can blame for the point where he's been put in that situation i thought that obviously it made
[01:10:34] sense to have a little lie there also what they just seen in 44 is like slightly different individual
[01:10:40] journey so there's like a lot of space for him to lie and then it's been with the tribe
[01:10:46] like it's the it's the energy that he gives to the seeker tribe that i feel like really contributes
[01:10:50] and they're all doing that honestly this try just seems like lovely people but like they're all
[01:10:55] doing it but he like we even see with like Maria after when she saw upset about the reward challenge
[01:10:59] which was another whole segment that we got where she's like i hate failing on a public stage and
[01:11:04] gem who just gave her a safety wear advantage is like okay well hopefully you're on mailing in some other
[01:11:10] way um but yeah that would be bad if you were my ally and you found out about that you probably take
[01:11:15] it some type of way um but but then give so much good like encouragement and i just think he's
[01:11:21] doing exactly what you need to be doing for this portion of the game like building and there's
[01:11:26] even been like some criticisms on him i don't i think this might have been in secret scenes but like
[01:11:30] around are that he and Tim they're not strategizing enough they don't talk to us enough it's like yeah
[01:11:34] you know what he doesn't need to right now he's not being negative in any way it's just all building
[01:11:39] all positive and we do know that they do have like a secret alliance and they're trying to get like
[01:11:43] Charlie and Maria over with votes so they don't even know that they have very I think she's lost her
[01:11:48] votes but um Charlie would be the swing but like yeah that like that like comprehensive
[01:11:55] not anti social like fully buildable early gameplay like all we need to be doing and i think he's
[01:12:00] doing great it yeah you know I I was skeptical of of band at first uh like like is this really
[01:12:09] this really you like are you playing a character here um but uh he's totally won me over like he feels
[01:12:15] very genuine um and uh because like you know all the like just throwing all the puns in there uh
[01:12:21] just felt like I like oh okay are we doing something um but uh i think um he seems like a really sweet
[01:12:30] guy um and i really like appreciate that uh i do think it's you know the i think how we're being
[01:12:38] given a portrayal of the tribe uh is is that like kind of Charlie's in charge a little bit um and
[01:12:47] him and um and Maria are like uh yeah like they have control um over which way they want to go
[01:12:54] and so like it could very easily not fall in his favor um you know so i don't know strategically
[01:13:01] we can't know they haven't even been to try but where is that? I do think it's worse for the guys
[01:13:05] the more they win because i know the Maria was like but challenges so i think like the closer they
[01:13:09] get to that i do think like they might tend to the women so that is not yeah um especially because
[01:13:15] like yeah maybe he is somebody that uh i mean it depends like it's i would love to like analyze
[01:13:22] like would it be the right move to turn on you know band in in in Tim right uh there the other ones
[01:13:29] on that drive you got a car yeah uh my other my other draft pick
[01:13:33] Tim and honda the two people that you're like no listen people found out Tim was on the season
[01:13:40] this episode so uh this episode from the throwing uh because they because he was the one that
[01:13:47] they accused of having the finding the thing right but he didn't get to respond i think i
[01:13:52] didn't have a whole big secret scene about missing his family i did i did what i really
[01:13:58] appreciated about gem uh and that was that uh she i don't think there was a single bit of footage
[01:14:04] of her helping them dig um and so she's the one that planted it there had them dig get bit by ants
[01:14:11] and the guy that contributed the most he was like yeah he probably did it because he's as dig in the most
[01:14:16] the one that i'm like least strategically close to but he seems the most set on finding the thing
[01:14:21] which is how someone would act uh a couple of things yes so i mean look for Ben okay so maybe
[01:14:27] they lose out but even then it might be Tim and maybe firstly this tribe like most i can't
[01:14:32] leave gone next episode because like even then it's been said like when gem found the
[01:14:35] where advantage they left in the line like and if you never go to tribal council there'll be further
[01:14:39] instructions yeah yeah which randon kelly leads it in get because he's out again so it's not even
[01:14:45] necessarily that they're gonna win like are they gonna just lose another challenge and then
[01:14:51] not merge so what's gonna happen like i genuinely don't like i don't know what's gonna happen to
[01:14:55] you know they've lost four people so they could they could literally just lose one more and then
[01:15:02] and then merge i think that is what will happen and then i'm gonna go on my trip having you know
[01:15:06] podacet about this pre-merge and i'm gonna take a couple of weeks break from the season while
[01:15:10] i go to Canada and the u.s but i yeah so gems do you want to i think about gems plan but well the
[01:15:17] first thing i was saying is that if the this tribe never gonna tribal council and even if they do
[01:15:22] and like Tim goes if Ben can just survive it i feel like he's in like if he can forgive them for the
[01:15:26] Tim thing whatever and just like if he's been had really good vibes at least he has something
[01:15:30] buildable going forward so it's about like surviving now but like long term i feel like he's doing
[01:15:34] exactly what he needs to do and to be fair he is also he does also have short-term plans with
[01:15:39] the swing votes that might come off so short to long term like he's just not pushing that so hard
[01:15:44] in order to be like particularly anti social way like oh no we never went to tribal council but we
[01:15:48] have all this animosity non-measal for no reason so i think that that's a good way to balance it
[01:15:53] and also seems to work with this personality but i also wanted to credit randon as we're saying
[01:15:57] because he's the one person that at least didn't say to next suppress they came off 44 with the
[01:16:03] fake idols given to them by production and clearly yanu and gem were like well i got to do it
[01:16:09] i got to be duplicitous like we we hide where where is my fake idol production and also now that
[01:16:15] i'll just outline things and randon did not fall for the trap of doing that
[01:16:21] but like minimal to no gain so retroactive chili points trend
[01:16:30] yeah i feel i feel like um i just feel like there's no way yanu goes to tribal again i just feel like
[01:16:37] there's i they could not go three episodes in a row i think at that point they would have edited
[01:16:44] differently i think the fact that we knew it was like the fact that they've made it clear to us
[01:16:49] i think if they go to try if they had gone to tribal one more time the edit would have made
[01:16:54] henzy and tiffinny's relationship more compelling uh to the point where like we'd wonder oh is it
[01:17:00] gonna flip on q or could it be kenzie um i think trying to like you know himfist that in now would
[01:17:06] just be ridiculous i think they're setting up all this soda stuff i feel like if there's going to
[01:17:11] be another tribal i think it's it's most likely to be soda but i you know i i wouldn't be like
[01:17:16] super super shocked if it was um if it was the uh the the the other tribe but uh i feel like
[01:17:22] i feel like the venus soda i feel like that whole tribal dynamic has been like a tender box and
[01:17:27] they've just been waiting for it to blow um so that would be my prediction but i was wrong
[01:17:32] the most recent one so i could see it i could see nami i mean from a hundred perspective it's
[01:17:37] hard to see the blues but yeah i could see nami um going to tribal council but i also just like
[01:17:44] i think i've just lost faith in all the people if they go to tribal they're down to four there
[01:17:49] only one player up on uh on yawning uh despite all of the screen time being dedicated to yawning
[01:17:55] will do the same yeah yeah well okay we i want to get to the pet peeves because that's what we
[01:17:59] were given that's what less what less what we we traded for for a vote in two episodes was getting
[01:18:04] galtan russ was like i have the peeves and you're like you had them the whole time you've had all the
[01:18:08] peeves but do you have the sheathen? yes so um can we talk about this like how how much did it cost
[01:18:14] Shannon what go with hold these you think you think i'm worrying about withholding the peeves i'm
[01:18:22] just trying to win and maybe the other people are doing that but i'm not involved in that okay i
[01:18:25] don't have that win i know listen i'm the biggest obstacle in the way of anybody winning a draft
[01:18:30] and so you got to take me out of contention first by removing the pet peeves yeah they did i don't
[01:18:36] know what they did something to me they um then they've been doing it every season i don't know what
[01:18:41] it is but they well they just give me fifth position in the draft every day usually they give me a
[01:18:45] state it's usually they um you don't even remember any of my draft people so okay let's do the chibi
[01:18:50] and then we'll get to the pet peeves but do you have it do you have the chibi theme song which is
[01:18:53] going into it because i don't have it let's do it we do oh wait hold on it's that didn't work
[01:18:59] you know what i uh i got a new computer i think the i think the file is missing that's the problem
[01:19:06] um okay so this is what you did to me
[01:19:09] this is listen there's may or may not have been retaliation for withholding the pet peeves
[01:19:14] you know i i'm withholding the jizzy song that's what do you listen what can i do well i'm the
[01:19:19] shirt it's getting it's getting it's getting kind of cheesy three two one all right unfortunate
[01:19:24] i should have really checked that before but we're gonna have to do two weeks of the chibi because
[01:19:28] we miss out on it i spent like five minutes searching for it and my on my soundboard and i finally
[01:19:32] found out i was like yes and then filed and there's no work i don't believe you i feel like you're just
[01:19:37] your this is your you're pived and now you're getting back at me but all right for last episode which
[01:19:44] by the way i'm into be doing them like episode by episode and not being like clouded by the next
[01:19:47] episode and i did because i like fully prepped for that podcast before i was like not can't do it so
[01:19:51] i gave hunter you know hunter i gave him three points yeah austin that's
[01:19:57] i gave him three points okay last episode because of this because of you
[01:20:03] he has everyone's food including you you think he's just a
[01:20:08] Aussie type throws balls makes challenges like this man he's clearly not he's he's a jealous jealous guy too
[01:20:15] which i like
[01:20:15] so that was not why i gave him two points because that wasn't part of last episode but
[01:20:22] he's really really smart super smart guy and he has you all full though like all he just
[01:20:26] wants to be have the experience like no super fan and like usually i say like don't lie
[01:20:30] and like create these gaps in like social barriers with people like no hunter needs to because if
[01:20:34] they do about it they'd be like oh he's everyone's first graphic and they vote him out immediately
[01:20:37] he's actually truth threatening anyway so downplaying that as essential for him he's not
[01:20:41] extremely well he's given himself an opportunity and he's in a good spot
[01:20:44] tribe wise so i gave hunter three points i gave been two points for the lion playstyle
[01:20:49] that i've spoken about it lense in the way that he comforted vanu and then i gave one to tiff
[01:20:53] and he last week because i assumed you would have made the right choice and she continued to be in
[01:20:56] power and that was my points last week where are the shots i'm not prepared to
[01:21:02] what are the numbers um so my inclination in the last uh in the last episode but i have to
[01:21:10] i have to make sure that this was in the last episode uh the the charlie maria um malcom deniece thing
[01:21:18] that was two episodes right yeah was it yeah but like it's all part of it if you want to give
[01:21:22] for that you can get that that's like part of the same thing i honestly like it it's it's blending in
[01:21:28] because it's all actually all feels like and that's it yeah that's fair especially with the other
[01:21:33] tribes that because they haven't been a tribal it's like when did we learn this i don't know
[01:21:37] especially when they'll say things like four days ago so like time is also meaningless for them
[01:21:42] like they're all like it until random left like they're all especially see like they're just the same
[01:21:46] instead of people doing things over days you know yeah uh that would have been my inclination uh
[01:21:53] charlie maria still can that's where they sit that's where they continue to sit
[01:21:57] well that's what i'll do then and and you know i honestly strictly because charlie is the one
[01:22:02] narrating most of the time i'll i'll go charlie then maria um because it just feels like he's
[01:22:08] had it wise positioned a little better but uh as far as we can tell i think they're both like operating
[01:22:14] into hand them um and then uh i think i think i agree i think i would have gone ban as a as a third
[01:22:25] because i think that i liked the the lie he came up with um not knowing whether or not he had a vote
[01:22:32] and um uh like if you had done it correctly and i think that he handled banu better than anybody on
[01:22:39] yano did so uh yeah all right well um it was actually really hard the next week too i gave three points
[01:22:46] to cue for the way he was handling banu and eventually coming around on the right vote really
[01:22:51] really tough really really tough to say but we're really not all going on especially because a lot
[01:22:55] of the stuff that was going on we have criticized like what tevin was doing like and what gem was
[01:22:59] doing like those were like the big strategic kind of pushes of the episode or like obviously everything
[01:23:03] banu was doing like immediately telling them that he'd like sold them all out it's like they're
[01:23:07] gonna find out eventually it's like yeah you can't like banu kind of kind of forward to beg as
[01:23:13] kami chooses at this point like you really just need to like hope that they never go on a journey
[01:23:17] before you get to avoid so just a lot of bad gameplay a lot of ad banu based across the board um so
[01:23:23] i will give yeah three points to cue i'm giving another two points to ban just for the vibes
[01:23:30] and the way that he you know really like amtap Maria there was also a secrecy in
[01:23:35] if him like providing for the try it's just doing a lot i just really want to credit it
[01:23:38] and then i gave one point to live for the way that her positioning was elevated she also did some
[01:23:42] good stuff on the journey in the last episode so it was kind of like an amalgamation of those things
[01:23:46] so there was one my points for the second episode four
[01:23:53] okay so i think i'm right it's tough it's tough to like i don't think there was anyone that feels
[01:24:01] like a first place to me um it is not it's really hard like the it's actually true sad that in
[01:24:08] the finale and the penultimate episode and as we're like going down to the wire the points will
[01:24:13] mean this i mean there'll be a small pool but like the points will mean the same as these two episodes
[01:24:17] and we'll look back and we'll think that really disorderly the charts really badly but we're still
[01:24:20] here doing it for the board glitz um so i'm just i'll just say uh
[01:24:29] you know what i think i think i think uh i think kenzie handled banu well uh
[01:24:36] you know like the quote unquote blow up followed up by like the fact that she was like this guy
[01:24:43] annoys the hell out of me he should be uh at like like uh just camping um but then was able to go
[01:24:50] up to him and really like give this genuine feeling apology uh to the point where banu was like
[01:24:56] oh wow like yes i really appreciate that um and the fact that like she now has survived this vote
[01:25:03] isn't a much better position to like potentially make it to emerge i know a lot of people are worried
[01:25:08] about like oh well banu has said that she's the mastermind and that's definitely like not great
[01:25:13] but i think that um i think i would rob rob talk about this but like the the the q and tiffany connection
[01:25:22] is far more threatening to like a regular player um and i think that for banu like he didn't wreck
[01:25:28] like banu thought he was putting the target on kenzie i think but i think the reality is he put the
[01:25:33] target on q and tiffany um and and i think that like if you're looking to pick up numbers if anything
[01:25:40] being called a mastermind i think that it might give kenzie a bit of an in especially because
[01:25:44] and this is one another reason why i might choose her here she found out about it like she's
[01:25:49] or warned now that this is the thing that people have heard about her um and it gives her the uh
[01:25:56] the ability to um to like work that so she's she's in contention uh i think hunters in contention
[01:26:02] for his continued challenge performance i think he single handedly kept his tribe out of tribal
[01:26:07] in this episode um multiple times probably right so i think he's in there and then i think uh i
[01:26:14] think mariah is in in contention because she learned uh how to jump a little bit better really
[01:26:21] and on a chilly criteria personally but i it's as what's never been a a question before to be honest
[01:26:26] so i don't know listen she turned the negative poor challenge performance into a a bond building
[01:26:32] experience where everyone was like here in her on you know uh it's so i i think there's something
[01:26:39] there um and uh so yeah maybe i'll in some like i'll go i'll go like hunter uh i'll go kenzie
[01:26:49] 102 mariah three okay mariah three for the jumping for the jumping what else i got in this episode
[01:26:58] honestly usually i get mad about stuff with the chibi but it is so hot this week that wait so you
[01:27:02] went kenzie one who's who uh i don't know i honestly like i'm giving three to q for like
[01:27:13] managing bano who was leaving i mean that's basically what i'm doing for kenzie too like i just
[01:27:20] i like even three points it's wait are you giving mariah three points reversing oh no this is
[01:27:27] really gonna miss with mess with my so you're giving you're giving because you said kenzie won but you
[01:27:31] meant first yes i'm in first yeah sorry okay so i'm pretty sure the charts although this has been
[01:27:36] this is difficult in the but like i think it's tibany nine q eight mariah five hunter now five
[01:27:45] charlie five kenzie four um tevin one mariah one liz one i think representing for the jumpers
[01:27:56] yeah you know what mariah should get chibi points the peeves let's get into the peeves because i
[01:28:03] were down all the peeves and i should have just strictly got on peeves yeah well no i'm that's why
[01:28:08] did it next because i knew that that might have been a concern um so yeah i was i was looking like
[01:28:13] what are my peeves you know because i've so many of them it's hard to narrow it down so i my brother and
[01:28:17] i we were like talking about this and we searched out what's up chat for the word pet peeves how many
[01:28:23] times do you think what pet peeves come up in our what's up chat i feel wild for it to show up more than
[01:28:28] like three times twenty seven times tarry um and i thought wow this is incredible and we went through
[01:28:35] years i didn't realize you were such a pet pee neighbor i'm peved all the time like because i get
[01:28:42] like i get having peves but you actively call them out as pet peeve yeah and i and i um and it
[01:28:48] could have been even more and like then there were probably other groups like i so i'm gonna go
[01:28:51] through and write a list of my pet peeves because they were great i was going through years and they
[01:28:54] were all still so valid a lot of them very survivor based which was great um and then one of the
[01:28:59] thing that was funny was like in so in 20 what year was edgy was in 2019 i was like oh i really like
[01:29:06] Victoria yes Victoria i'm like oh because she said that her pet peeve was that she had a hamster named
[01:29:11] name named pee pet peeve and um then in 2017 yeah two two years earlier though we got to the top
[01:29:19] of the search two years earlier my brother we were talking about pet peeves and my brother sent a
[01:29:24] photo of our cat and i said we should have named her pee and they should be our pet peeve so no wonder
[01:29:29] i liked her for doing that because i said it two years ago yeah and we found that out i was like
[01:29:33] there should be a movie about this pet peeve chat because of the twist like literally it's been a
[01:29:38] roller coaster but 27 pet peeves we did get asked what our pet peeves are um Logan ledger asked our
[01:29:44] pet peeves i know yours is slow walking you've given that one do you have 27?
[01:29:49] um i would have to spend some i'd have to spend what like 10 years to accumulate that much knowledge but
[01:29:58] i can say that you know through reading pet peeves i have some some pet peeve pet peeves yeah
[01:30:06] so some of my pet peeve pet peeves are uh i don't like i don't personally like it when somebody
[01:30:14] names a pet peeve by starting their sentence with something like people who do with it i like it
[01:30:25] i prefer it when people say i don't like it when people do a thing as opposed to people who do a
[01:30:33] thing because it feels like this person does a thing and now they're just like forever a person
[01:30:39] who does that thing like people do all kinds of things all the old and you don't have to dislike
[01:30:45] the person like a good pet peeve is disliking a specific thing rather than a kind of person or a
[01:30:51] person that's that's how i feel about it um yeah and then uh maybe another another pet peeve pet peeve
[01:30:59] would be uh just like giving something super generic and boring i'm just looking at my pet peeves
[01:31:06] and they just all start with people who like literally like half of them i wrote down a bunch from the
[01:31:13] 27 of which there are against so many more this and this is this is the fun thing about pet peeves is
[01:31:17] that like they can often feel like an attack if uh if if you hear something that like you've done
[01:31:24] and you're like oh no i'm a person who does this uh and um and so uh i think that when you say
[01:31:32] when people it gives them a little more space to be like you know what i do do that sometimes
[01:31:36] maybe i should stop as opposed to like the core of my being is being assaulted and maybe i need to
[01:31:41] defend myself all right let me give you my peeves and i'm gonna try and change the verbiage
[01:31:46] so that they'll keep you and you tell me how i would do on the peeves this is just a few
[01:31:51] of the long list i'm going to be putting in my notes app which i think is worth collating because
[01:31:55] there was some great ones number one leaf loads that one's oh yeah yeah blessing in the world
[01:32:02] why was it invented like so much noise for so little gain you're literally just a loud rake i hate them
[01:32:07] um i've never thought about murder more in my life oh i'm so glad you were great yeah um that one
[01:32:14] push all the other peves down because it's so clearly my number one pet peeves and yeah as someone
[01:32:19] who like has migraines podcaster sleeps a weird time like the noise pollution it's just something
[01:32:24] that should be banned and isn't different places and i'm working on it in outbuilding um religious
[01:32:29] hypocrisy i think speaks for itself every wrist climb is climbing everest not people who climb everest
[01:32:36] climbing you don't like it when people climb out i don't pet peeve what about it
[01:32:43] it's really bad for the environment i think it's exploitative um
[01:32:48] and it's just the kind of thing where like the people they're not the people who but truly the people
[01:32:51] who come back to like you know i then they do these like motivational speeches and stuff it's like
[01:32:56] they did this inspiring thing it's like i don't know it sounds like you took a vacation to do some of
[01:33:00] you wanted to do like other people have put in like real hardships it sounds like you were kind of bored
[01:33:04] if we're just often like extreme danger what like but with one percent mortality right um in order to
[01:33:10] do something that you think will then like be exciting after i think it's just a little
[01:33:14] manufactured but anyway that's my everest pet peeve um i think i think that's like a slightly more
[01:33:20] fair people who because there's actually i think a lot of different pet peeves that are all
[01:33:27] combined into the person who climbs Mount Everest like both the active it then the way they talk
[01:33:33] about it and like all kinds of different things so yeah i think that's that's a slightly more fair
[01:33:37] version of it yeah they're wrong and then they go on Australian survival
[01:33:44] okay saying you're a vegetarian but still eating meat also quite specific to me not people who
[01:33:48] but also stop doing it okay that doesn't even make sense oh but it happened
[01:33:54] oh but no i'm a vegetarian except that sometimes eat meat look when you're a vegetarian
[01:33:58] it's commonly enough for it to be a pet peeve yeah it does not enough arguments with
[01:34:03] anyway it's fine i'm what's the what's the what's the justification mostly that don't eat meat
[01:34:09] is this mostly don't eat but they can't say i'm mostly vegetarian what's a
[01:34:13] vegetarian is the word it's there there's a term for it it's kind of a weird word
[01:34:18] no it's not it's fine and it says what you are like if i if i had to if i had to say i'm a
[01:34:23] flexitarian every time i said it somebody would ask me what it means and that'd be annoying
[01:34:28] yeah but also if you say you're a vegetarian you eat meat you're alive so
[01:34:32] you know this is going to be some qualifications here i say that as a you know multi-deaf
[01:34:36] i could like depending on where it's coming from i can understand like
[01:34:41] you know it's sort of like like where are you from and you say like the city that you're basically
[01:34:46] living in but you don't actually live in the city uh but like if you said the random name of your
[01:34:51] place it would be uh like confusing and nobody would care so you just say the city and it's kind
[01:34:56] like kind of a lie but it's mostly true no it's not because it's hard to be a vegetarian it's a very
[01:35:02] big commitment so you say it like that's what it's all we earn is the title i agree i think if
[01:35:08] you're like actively trying to like uh you know stolen valor uh being a vegetarian then like yes
[01:35:15] i agree but if you're just trying to like you know get by in a conversation like
[01:35:20] no no because then i'll be like oh okay cool and then then then if it slips out i'll be like
[01:35:26] what and then yeah i'll yeah i will agree with this as well if you're saying it to an actual
[01:35:31] vegetarian that's you can't do that that's a no go that'll be the murder that's yeah um how many
[01:35:37] listeners are my alienating well let's see because the next one is very survivor based and like
[01:35:40] people know that i feel this way but not people who but thinking that a quitter took your spot on
[01:35:46] survival hmm that's a good one yeah it's pretty recent and then this was the last one that i
[01:35:52] is also kind of recent but like thinking not people who thinking that all media is inherently
[01:35:58] positive this is like a really big one like and it comes up all the time so like as an example
[01:36:02] like well look at hollywood you know they they're condoning the atomic bomb they made up in
[01:36:08] heimer it's like that movie was pretty critical of the atomic bomb or like you know like it happens
[01:36:13] all the time with Hamilton which is why like i like i will they're glorifying i'm like they may
[01:36:18] Jefferson look terrible you know like a lot of those characters look really bad actually they
[01:36:24] like you know it's beyond humanizing them like they showed the floor so i like what was it
[01:36:28] you know just thinking that like any person in media is automatically being dayified it comes up
[01:36:34] like like often thinking that portraying a thing is the same as condoning it
[01:36:40] perfectly that's my peeve i'll put that in the okay and and i have 20 more but instead we're
[01:36:46] gonna get to the cast we're gonna read all of them this will be the two-hour podcast that roams
[01:36:51] did not to do complaining about peeve so um do you want me to just read them out then you give your
[01:36:56] takes there are quite a lot um i all have one and a lot of them are pretty boring um all right you
[01:37:03] maybe give us the ones that are good um so i think i think that like uh i think tiffinny's is pretty good
[01:37:11] uh she says i hate when people are rude to others for no reason that's boring um but she says i've
[01:37:17] literally ended friendships because i went to a restaurant and someone was rude to the waitress
[01:37:20] for no reason at all i was very interested in this uh like how did that happen like i can i'm
[01:37:28] imagining a scenario in my head where she's out of a restaurant with a friend they're like rude
[01:37:33] to the waitress and she just goes you know what i'm done and she just like gets up and leaves uh
[01:37:41] which i think would be very funny just number two i hate willful ignorance google is free
[01:37:48] look it up or just shut up not knowing things is okay but to be willfully ignorant about people
[01:37:53] or their cultures are just choosing not to engage because you don't want to ag me with a spoon
[01:37:57] um i think that's a pretty good one yeah really yeah it's like my favorite pet peeves are when they
[01:38:05] like i a good one that resonates is great um a good one that resonates that's serious can also work
[01:38:13] but i also need something specific i need something a little silly need something a little like weird
[01:38:18] and she says i do have a third one super random i hate spitting it literally makes me want to vomit
[01:38:25] and not just like a little i have something in my mouth that's nasty i can't deal with it
[01:38:30] great pet peeve it's specific people spit all the time it is gross i can't like completely resonate i'm
[01:38:35] not gonna throw up in my mouth every time i see someone spit but i do think it's gross uh seeing
[01:38:40] people spit in general and i think that uh the way that she presented it was funny yeah there you go
[01:38:46] how am i pet peeves across the board uh i mean you i mean you right out of the gate you came out strong
[01:38:52] with leaf lowers yeah number one i mean objectively the best yeah strong resignation there um and then
[01:38:59] you did have some some good specific ones uh i i think i i think you do fairly well on a pet peeve
[01:39:05] rating yeah i give all 30 though pet pee the whole draft when you mean you just analyzing them
[01:39:12] the pet peeves uh i did enjoy um uh soda had had a pet peeve that i thought was was funny from my own
[01:39:21] perspective um and this is not like uh like i'll i'll i'll i'll just say it um so she says
[01:39:29] my pet peeve one of them is repetition of the same thing over and over again uh she's which
[01:39:36] is ironic because i'm hard of hearing my radios sometimes any people repeat things but if you
[01:39:39] just will willingly repeat stuff all the time when i look at you like you're crazy i don't like that
[01:39:45] um so okay she doesn't like people repeating thing pet peeve number two from soda uh if you're
[01:39:51] staring into my soul i'm from New York we don't do that you got two seconds you park and pass okay
[01:39:57] or sorry you got two seconds you park and pass okay you drive you park and you pass
[01:40:03] the second i read that i was like soda you repeated yourself who sentencing's ago you just
[01:40:10] tell me you don't like people repeating themselves and you repeated yourself immediately
[01:40:15] maybe that was ironic maybe that was on purpose yes uh obviously this is not a serious critique of soda
[01:40:22] and i think it was more than somebody just repeating a phrase uh but i thought it was very funny
[01:40:27] that uh that was my favorite part of soda's pet peeves um yeah the the star candidate here mariah
[01:40:35] uh she's got a bunch of pet peeves and they're all great um yeah number one man's planning
[01:40:44] i'm not going to explain it to you because duh
[01:40:49] great she took she took like a good one but that's kind of boring and she presented it in a more fun
[01:40:54] way perfect uh number two people who vote on down ballot issues randomly no people pour their heart
[01:41:00] and soul into these propositions in local races through your homework it's just a person for an issue
[01:41:05] you could do it that's a very serious one no joke there but she's getting a message across
[01:41:09] i'm cool with it yeah and it make and it's also a good one uh three i'm going to go with restaurants who
[01:41:16] list something as a grilled cheese but has a ton of ingredients in it and this was when i was like
[01:41:21] she's the easy winner that's such a good pet peeve i the people are acting like oh yeah look at my
[01:41:27] grilled cheese with uh and it's like the size of a burger uh it's very american this is not
[01:41:35] ridiculous it's making globally in in in Australia you guys just have like straight up grilled cheese
[01:41:40] i mean we don't call it grilled cheese we call it toasties i don't feel like there's a lot of
[01:41:44] toasties on menus i like i had someone who had a toastie in america last time i was there i think
[01:41:48] that might be a bigger part of menus it probably is here but yeah i don't and like the big meals and
[01:41:53] stuff like that kind of that's also less likely to happen here so they try to like fancy up grilled
[01:41:58] cheeses by adding other stuff but like that's not the point of a grill it's just a sandwich at that
[01:42:04] point at that point um this is the next two yeah okay she's and she's passionate but the next two
[01:42:11] you know i said in the draft that mariah reminds me of myself and the next two i was like oh you on
[01:42:16] me please please please yes so some great ones left number four online orders that make you print
[01:42:22] something to return them if i had a printer i wouldn't be using an online store so they need to work
[01:42:27] on that i completely agree this is so resonant for me that firstly it's not a peeve that i knew that I
[01:42:33] had until she said it but i need when i need to return orders all that and i don't have a printer
[01:42:38] to the point where i'm always like i literally i was meeting a friend for lunch and i was like do
[01:42:42] ever print it she was like yes and i'm like an emailing you something please bring it to lunch
[01:42:45] it's gotten so bad that my family passive aggressively got me a printer for my birthday which i'm
[01:42:49] yet to set up maybe that should be their pet peeve but then me asking them to print my online order
[01:42:55] return labels is a hundred percent their pet peeve and it is so hard and it seems so easy now that i
[01:43:00] think about it that the iconic which is the online store here could just send a label but they don't
[01:43:05] want to because they don't want you to return it they don't want to make it easy but they make it so
[01:43:08] hard and the printing issue is hard in 2024 not a lot of people have printers i do for my birthday
[01:43:13] I got one but i haven't said it up because i haven't had the time so it's hard and then then
[01:43:18] then run out of ink that's what happened we had a printer like five years ago and then a ran
[01:43:21] out of ink and we were like that it's over and i've been reading my notes on my computer ever since
[01:43:27] so that was literally probably like six five six years ago so what if i had to return a printer
[01:43:34] unscrewed you can send it to someone you're going to lunch with
[01:43:39] to get a grilled cheese that's fine they might end the friendship over that
[01:43:43] uh it's through to the waiter a lot of things going on another one car analogies at tribal council
[01:43:50] no you missed the best run oh maybe i don't know maybe i might have the wrong order keep going you go
[01:43:55] it's your opinion she says they're lazy we can do better it's 46 come on just choose a different
[01:44:02] automobile a motorcycle of vehicle i don't care not a car it's tried it's done with
[01:44:08] fair also like this is a survivor based one exactly it's it's a survivor based one it's also
[01:44:16] a good one and she also made it funny because you think what she's saying is like our analogies
[01:44:22] they're they're boring she's saying no just give me a different motorcycle would work anything
[01:44:27] which i think is funny and then another one great one says the word list
[01:44:35] okay this was it you didn't see as someone who has one the s's rude
[01:44:39] yeah mariah are you me brilliant unbelievable just like she should have she should have got the
[01:44:45] three tizzy points just for these peeps like so good do you also hate people who climb Everest
[01:44:50] mariah let me know i love the way not people who write pet peeves like uh restaurants listing something
[01:44:58] as grilled cheese but having tons of ingredients is disrespectful and the s in list is rude
[01:45:03] she because it's totally spot on um and then finally people who touch your hair who are just like oh
[01:45:09] i love your hair or ask what you put in it uh it's natural it's not uh mind your business
[01:45:16] i'm never had anyone touch my hat i think it's nice enough
[01:45:19] it is it is a genuinely a good pet peeve it's probably the weakest on the list
[01:45:24] but it's but it's like very like very strong pet peeve that i think a lot of will resonate with
[01:45:30] a lot of people it's just like probably the least funny she won the pet peeve so then so would
[01:45:36] she have been like very high up on your draft board yeah i mean she probably would have been number one
[01:45:41] i mean she does compete with somebody whose last name is petty which is kensy so uh like
[01:45:48] you know and kensy has some good ones too kensy has a great line which is um i'm not a big misogynist girl
[01:45:55] uh it's like correct line right that's very good that's very good uh she's i have a really hard time
[01:46:03] getting along with men who think they know more than me in a in a demeaning way uh if they think
[01:46:07] they know more than me and they're helping me cool if they're trying to explain something we
[01:46:10] have our time with that but yeah just that that line alone plus uh having petty as her last name
[01:46:15] i think would have been you know uh i think i had two two choices in a row so and and
[01:46:22] her close to it i mean i went with kensy plus mariah so like um i actually feel like uh like
[01:46:29] yeah those two picks at least were were actually they're backed by the pet peeve strategy
[01:46:35] the jolinsky pick obviously was was not but i also like only could pick between jolinsky and
[01:46:39] and randons so yeah it wasn't exactly like they both yeah jolinsky is
[01:46:45] and she's showing randons as people being too dramatic um yeah so not a lot i do wish you chose
[01:46:51] randons because then you wouldn't have been granaded but also then we all would have had one person
[01:46:54] from each tribe and that would have been really cool and um i should have i should have thought about
[01:46:58] that oh i also like i haven't brought this up but like i do feel like um the grenade shouldn't count
[01:47:05] if you were stuck with that but like if i who was it liana like if i picked
[01:47:10] randon and liana really had no option but to pit but to have jolinsky uh like that would be
[01:47:15] if the grenade is a last pick then we all as drafters have done so well to know that
[01:47:20] that we did the great shouldn't count yeah like we beat the grenade you know i don't hate it i mean
[01:47:25] if you're back me in some of my reforms and i'll back you in this i mean i don't feel strongly enough
[01:47:30] about it to pitch it but don't vote randomly do research in these elections we can do it we can
[01:47:35] if anyone from the drop list into this we could do an alliance thing right now and we could really
[01:47:39] push something but i'm willing to back you jarron if you back me
[01:47:43] well that was uh that was the replacement for the stock watch i think yeah when oh people think
[01:47:49] we're still doing the stockwatch it's been almost two hours on a no vote no we you know you turn
[01:47:53] on doing the stockwatch at the moment and we get the image we talked it through in what
[01:47:57] about yeah like only three people have been to tribal so like how in the world would be
[01:48:02] great we'd guess we would guess no um this was fun i think we got a lot of mileage out of this
[01:48:09] you know people like oh no we love the stockwatch global crossover and there's been no vote in so many
[01:48:14] weeks i hear you but we had fun yeah we just we squeezed it for all it was worth
[01:48:20] yeah this this is like uh if normally this podcast is like the in-depth strategic debate analysis
[01:48:27] this was like the uh in-depth strategic debate analysis of like nonsense
[01:48:35] yeah like this was the nonsense that's big problem
[01:48:37] yeah it was still like it was still like two like like almost two hours like we
[01:48:42] i know we have a problem but look we had fun Karen what's going on with you what can people
[01:48:46] find that you're doing uh just find find me on twitch i'm watching you know if you really like if you
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[01:49:21] cyber happens sweet for my stuff which um the strands of iber just ended it was phenomenal if you
[01:49:26] haven't watched it you should it's been called like one of it's not the best season of all time best
[01:49:30] new season of all time some people's favorite season of all time unbelievable i've just been sitting
[01:49:35] in a couple of pretty long deep dive so that's coming out all the finale coverages out next week
[01:49:39] talking week five of the season where i really really hope it's not just a kensy group but
[01:49:44] i have tessa o halorin from strand survivors my guest next week and then i'm away for three weeks
[01:49:49] and we're gonna have to work out what's happening with the chiezy in that time because obviously
[01:49:52] points need to be given but uh that's it for us taren this was fun thank you for doing it i love
[01:49:59] the season tradition even when you're not even when the stockwatch isn't really stockwatching
[01:50:03] we still do the crossover even when the cover must happen if it doesn't you don't know what will
[01:50:10] like listen well i don't want to be there might actually be like something bad happening in the world
[01:50:14] you know what i mean like the universe could end all as far as we know if the crossover stops so
[01:50:19] i think we just have to keep doing it just in case yeah i mean look it's going really well for
[01:50:23] the show we're covering it's really making it live up to the crossover so these two weeks are
[01:50:28] really showing that but now we had fun so thank you taren thank you to everyone for listening
[01:50:31] thank you to our team behind the scenes and i will see you next time bye
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