Survivor 46 | Survivor Global Week 12 | Mark Warnock

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[00:02:41] The real estate I'm living

[00:03:34] Worst American accent I've ever heard

[00:03:37] It's my Matthew McConaughey

[00:03:39] But it's not very good, I know

[00:03:41] I can keep...

[00:03:42] I need to hear it again thinking it's Matthew McConaughey

[00:03:45] Because that's not where I...

[00:03:46] I... because... okay

[00:03:47] We'll go... we'll...

[00:03:49] The sausage is made

[00:03:50] We'll tell people

[00:03:51] That you were like, okay, I'll start with an American accent

[00:03:52] I was like, okay

[00:03:53] So...

[00:03:54] But there's a reason

[00:03:55] It's not just like I'm doing an American accent just for fun

[00:03:59] You know, like it's...

[00:04:00] There's gossip

[00:04:02] There's talk, there's chatter in the world

[00:04:04] It's not a good Matthew McConaughey either

[00:04:06] I don't know how to tell you that

[00:04:07] I'm changed now

[00:04:08] I'm just evolving into something else

[00:04:11] Yeah, it's...

[00:04:12] It's good, it's full circle

[00:04:13] We've had really bad Australian accents on the podcast

[00:04:15] We now have a very bad American accent

[00:04:17] I can't do accents

[00:04:18] I'm here for it

[00:04:19] But I'm still...

[00:04:20] I can't even do my own accent

[00:04:21] What is my... I don't even know what my own accent is

[00:04:22] So I definitely can't do other accents

[00:04:24] But I'm still here willing to judge you for that

[00:04:28] Judge away

[00:04:30] You're doing it because of the alleged rumours

[00:04:32] that cannot be confirmed...

[00:04:33] Literally, cannot be confirmed or denied

[00:04:35] We have no information

[00:04:36] We have nothing

[00:04:37] For those who haven't heard

[00:04:38] It's been a big week in Australian Survivor

[00:04:40] We have confirmation that there will be Brains vs. Braun Newbie season

[00:04:43] We've heard alleged rumours that cannot be confirmed or denied

[00:04:47] about possible tourney AU vs. US season

[00:04:51] And so I actually really admire out the gate

[00:04:53] that you're coming out with an accent so bad

[00:04:55] that no American could possibly want to work with you

[00:04:57] I admire the goal to do that

[00:05:00] That's right

[00:05:01] And they probably can't understand my Australian accent anyway

[00:05:04] So what harm is there just trying to be like a good old Kentucky boy

[00:05:09] But anyway, look

[00:05:10] I love that idea

[00:05:12] The idea that most of that season would just be people...

[00:05:14] Like the Americans being like...

[00:05:15] Subtitles on subtitles

[00:05:17] Yeah, I need the physical subtitles

[00:05:21] That would be great

[00:05:22] That's a very fun online scene montage

[00:05:26] of Americans just looking confused with the Australians being like

[00:05:28] What are you saying?

[00:05:29] That's great

[00:05:30] Yeah, yeah

[00:05:31] But look, I don't want to derail it too much

[00:05:33] But I thought we should just say that

[00:05:36] Let's just...

[00:05:37] You know, the world is chatting

[00:05:39] I have no idea what's going on

[00:05:41] But it's very exciting

[00:05:43] And as season 46 narrows down to the end

[00:05:48] It gives it a lot of extra spice

[00:05:50] You know, all this attention on US Survivor

[00:05:53] We've had a lot of attention on Australian Survivor

[00:05:56] We know that season 50 is going to have all returnees in the US

[00:06:00] So what a world we are living in, Shannon

[00:06:03] To have so much on-screen Survivor content

[00:06:06] And then so much Survivor content on my little phone

[00:06:09] So look, I'm enjoying it

[00:06:12] I must confess that I...

[00:06:14] After Titans V Rebels

[00:06:16] I kind of needed a detox from Survivor

[00:06:19] It was an amazing run

[00:06:21] But Survivor 46 had kicked off

[00:06:24] And I'm like, I will get to this

[00:06:26] But in anticipation of the finale coming up next

[00:06:30] I thought I'd better do a sprint

[00:06:33] So I've been sprinting through the season

[00:06:35] I've really enjoyed it

[00:06:37] I think it started off a wee bit slow

[00:06:40] Or a wee bit...

[00:06:42] It was just bumpy

[00:06:43] I thought it was a little bit bumpy

[00:06:44] But now they are seriously...

[00:06:46] They have the engine all slicked up

[00:06:49] Full of petrol or gas as they say in North America

[00:06:53] And I'm just going to be translating for myself

[00:06:57] For the next podcast

[00:06:59] But yeah, they are cooking with gas as they say

[00:07:03] And I really enjoyed this episode

[00:07:05] This was...

[00:07:06] Well, okay, I use induction

[00:07:08] I'm a good global citizen

[00:07:11] But yeah, this was a great episode

[00:07:12] And I'm very excited to talk to you about it

[00:07:14] So let's kick off

[00:07:16] I was just talking with some people in America

[00:07:18] There are some words that we use

[00:07:21] That I don't even know that Americans use

[00:07:23] And this happens with Mike all the time

[00:07:24] Where I'll say something

[00:07:25] But Mike will never be like, I don't know that one

[00:07:27] He'll just let me say it

[00:07:29] And then sometimes later I'll be like

[00:07:30] What did you think I was saying when I find out

[00:07:32] Do you know like Fortnite?

[00:07:33] In America they apparently don't use Fortnite

[00:07:35] That's British, slash us

[00:07:37] Oh, what do they say?

[00:07:39] Two weeks at a time

[00:07:40] Well, what do they say?

[00:07:43] Yeah, two weeks

[00:07:46] Bi-weekly, the worst of the words

[00:07:48] The most confusing of any term

[00:07:51] Yeah, in two weeks, not in a Fortnite

[00:07:54] Isn't that crazy?

[00:07:56] I love that, you know

[00:07:58] There comes a decision point

[00:07:59] When someone's saying something

[00:08:00] And you don't know what it means

[00:08:02] And you're like, how long can this go

[00:08:04] Before I raise my hand and be like

[00:08:06] Sorry, I don't know what that word means

[00:08:08] I always ask

[00:08:09] You just ask straight up

[00:08:10] No, I mean definitely

[00:08:11] That's why I think it's weird with Mike

[00:08:12] I've said things before

[00:08:14] And then like weeks later

[00:08:16] Come to me and be like

[00:08:17] I now know why you didn't laugh at that joke

[00:08:19] And it offended me

[00:08:20] And I've said that on podcasts before

[00:08:22] And I'm like, why did he not

[00:08:23] And then I think Peter said

[00:08:24] That's not American

[00:08:25] I'm like, what?

[00:08:27] Crazy to me

[00:08:28] Well, I must admit that

[00:08:29] I didn't get a lot of

[00:08:32] Q spoke a lot in this entire season

[00:08:35] And now, you know, Q's gone

[00:08:37] But his humour went over my head

[00:08:39] A lot of the time

[00:08:40] Really? Why?

[00:08:41] That's not American

[00:08:42] That's just Q

[00:08:43] I know it's Q

[00:08:44] It's the Q universe

[00:08:46] That he lived

[00:08:47] The Q universe

[00:08:48] There we are, I'm picking it up

[00:08:50] That he lives in

[00:08:51] That's a whole different language, by the way

[00:08:52] I wish I had the person

[00:08:53] Who said this on Twitter

[00:08:55] Because now that I've had to translate

[00:08:57] I've been talking in Q

[00:08:58] I've fully lost my mind

[00:08:59] Like two weeks ago

[00:09:01] When I tweeted the Ferris podcast

[00:09:03] I made Peter read the tweet

[00:09:05] I'm like, does this make sense?

[00:09:06] It's in Q

[00:09:07] And he's like, this is a lot

[00:09:08] And then I wish I had the person

[00:09:10] I'm actually going to find it

[00:09:11] Who was like Q-o-lingo

[00:09:12] And I'm like, that's what I think

[00:09:13] But sorry, what were you saying about Q?

[00:09:16] I just think, you know

[00:09:18] He's a superstar of the season

[00:09:21] He's been voted off

[00:09:24] With an idol in his pocket

[00:09:26] Which is very on brand for 46

[00:09:28] Yeah

[00:09:29] But like, I just found him

[00:09:33] Like he was great to watch

[00:09:36] But now that I've played Survivor

[00:09:38] I'm like, wow, that must have been difficult

[00:09:39] Because he was one minute

[00:09:41] Like on, you know

[00:09:43] Doing one thing

[00:09:44] And changing his plan

[00:09:45] And then just like the hide and seek game

[00:09:47] Or the Q skirt

[00:09:49] Or getting weirdly ticked off

[00:09:52] By people's things that they say

[00:09:55] He was just all over the place

[00:09:56] But I suppose it did

[00:09:57] You know, obviously then asking for people to vote him off

[00:10:00] And I've heard a little bit about

[00:10:02] Why he did that

[00:10:03] Just in his exit media

[00:10:05] So a fantastic character

[00:10:08] Someone who I really enjoyed watching

[00:10:10] But at the same time

[00:10:12] What I loved in this episode

[00:10:14] Was when they were finishing the scramble

[00:10:18] And I think Q was talking about his Q skirt again

[00:10:21] And there's a shot of Cuts to Charlie sitting there

[00:10:24] Just like, over it

[00:10:26] He's so over the Q shirt

[00:10:29] And you can see him like grinding his teeth

[00:10:32] And Charlie's professional

[00:10:33] Charlie is a professional Survivor player

[00:10:36] He's doing so well

[00:10:37] But you can see

[00:10:39] I don't know

[00:10:40] Maybe they've just edited this out

[00:10:41] But they've shown Charlie just being like

[00:10:43] Even though

[00:10:47] He probably wanted Maria gone

[00:10:48] But you can just see

[00:10:49] It's starting to grate

[00:10:51] The Q-ness is starting to grate

[00:10:53] And I think that's probably fair

[00:10:56] So yeah, and he's a funny guy

[00:10:58] But I think if you're in the game with him

[00:11:00] Like the humour

[00:11:01] When it lands, it lands

[00:11:02] But when it doesn't

[00:11:03] It would probably get kind of annoying

[00:11:05] Yeah, well, I mean

[00:11:06] Look, I just said humour

[00:11:08] So I feel like that

[00:11:09] I mean, I'm not going to throw a stone at that glasshouse

[00:11:12] Thank you to Poochstan for Qolingo by the way

[00:11:14] And none of the humour went over my head

[00:11:17] Because I loved every second of Q

[00:11:20] I'm so sad like I miss him already

[00:11:21] Like in listening to the interviews

[00:11:22] I was like so upset

[00:11:25] I'm like it's been a day

[00:11:27] And I miss him so much

[00:11:28] I was smiling ear to ear

[00:11:29] Like I honestly think

[00:11:31] And I've said this a couple of weeks ago

[00:11:34] Mount Rushmore new era character for me

[00:11:36] And not even just for the new era

[00:11:38] Like this is what I

[00:11:39] When you get

[00:11:40] And it happens in Global as well

[00:11:41] But when you get a character 46 seasons in

[00:11:42] Where you're like

[00:11:43] This is like a coach level character

[00:11:44] Like this is redefining the medium

[00:11:46] But we're 24 years into it

[00:11:48] What a gift that Q was

[00:11:51] And I would be sad if it wasn't

[00:11:52] Like just the finale

[00:11:53] I really liked the final five

[00:11:54] Like had we lost Q

[00:11:55] And had to have the rest of the

[00:11:56] Like several episodes

[00:11:58] A few episodes without him

[00:12:00] I feel like that would have been

[00:12:01] Just such a huge loss to the season

[00:12:02] But his mark is in the whole season

[00:12:04] He's going to be like

[00:12:05] Obviously on the jury now

[00:12:06] And what I really love about Q

[00:12:08] Especially you can hear in the interviews

[00:12:10] Is that he has such a great sense

[00:12:12] Of his own brand

[00:12:14] Like it's very intentional

[00:12:15] Like that's why like

[00:12:16] Even with like the Qmeos

[00:12:17] Which by the way I coined

[00:12:19] Coined Qmeo

[00:12:21] And now I have Venus like Qmeo

[00:12:23] Jelinski wants Jmeo

[00:12:25] I'm like should Camu be giving me a cut

[00:12:27] At this point of the branding

[00:12:29] But anyway

[00:12:30] He just knows

[00:12:31] He just understands the vibe

[00:12:33] Of what people want him to be

[00:12:34] And he leans into it so hard

[00:12:36] In a way that I think really works

[00:12:37] And is not too much

[00:12:38] I mean it's a lot

[00:12:39] But it's to me

[00:12:40] Just the perfect amount

[00:12:42] Which is excessive

[00:12:43] And I just think

[00:12:44] The season is what it is

[00:12:46] Like the reason I'm so high on it

[00:12:48] Is so largely because of him

[00:12:51] Yeah, yeah

[00:12:52] That's interesting

[00:12:53] I think you're right

[00:12:54] I think you're totally right

[00:12:55] That he gets his shtick

[00:12:57] And he doesn't mind

[00:12:58] You know like

[00:12:59] Letting a little bit of extra oxygen

[00:13:01] Into the brand

[00:13:03] And yeah I think

[00:13:04] What is his

[00:13:05] He's a real estate agent

[00:13:07] Is that right?

[00:13:08] A real foreign

[00:13:09] Is that right?

[00:13:11] Number two

[00:13:12] Real estate agent in like the country

[00:13:13] It was like

[00:13:14] And I'm like

[00:13:15] Did anyone ever verify

[00:13:16] These claims

[00:13:17] He said that he could make

[00:13:18] A million dollars

[00:13:19] In the comparably short amount of time

[00:13:21] That they go out there

[00:13:23] Did anyone ever verify any of this?

[00:13:24] The point is you don't need to

[00:13:25] I'm not surprised

[00:13:27] But I think this checks out

[00:13:28] I think this checks out

[00:13:29] Does it?

[00:13:30] I think that he knows his brand

[00:13:32] And I think that

[00:13:33] As a real estate agent

[00:13:35] It's branding and marketing

[00:13:36] And sales

[00:13:37] And I think that this is very much

[00:13:39] He's on

[00:13:41] He's on cue point

[00:13:43] He gets it

[00:13:44] And that's what he's doing

[00:13:45] Whereas I feel like

[00:13:47] I'm gonna confess

[00:13:49] I love Kenzie

[00:13:51] Charles is like

[00:13:53] Charles and Maria are like

[00:13:54] Kind of now streaking ahead

[00:13:56] But Kenzie

[00:13:58] She is

[00:14:00] Q is like leaning into his brand

[00:14:01] Whereas I feel like

[00:14:02] Kenzie is just like

[00:14:04] An innately

[00:14:05] She is herself

[00:14:07] To her core

[00:14:09] And she draws on her own self

[00:14:11] And her own personality

[00:14:12] And her own background

[00:14:13] And that's why people

[00:14:14] Like are really attracted to her

[00:14:16] So I kind of find that

[00:14:17] Like Q leans into it

[00:14:19] He's the real estate guy

[00:14:20] But I think that like

[00:14:21] Kenzie being

[00:14:22] Running her own business

[00:14:23] Being in the beauty industry

[00:14:25] Talking to customers all day

[00:14:26] She is her

[00:14:27] She is herself

[00:14:28] And that's why people

[00:14:29] Fall in love with her

[00:14:31] So I think that

[00:14:33] I don't like the contrast

[00:14:34] Between the two

[00:14:35] Q is like really out there

[00:14:36] And it's driving

[00:14:37] Kenzie up the wall

[00:14:39] So that's

[00:14:40] Yeah, that's an interesting one

[00:14:42] That I find about this cast

[00:14:44] Anyway

[00:14:45] I like how you called

[00:14:46] Charlie Charles

[00:14:47] It was like his government name

[00:14:48] It's like when you're mad at him

[00:14:49] Like Charles

[00:14:51] Yeah, I feel like

[00:14:52] That's what Maria is gonna be

[00:14:53] Calling him soon

[00:14:55] Well, you thought

[00:14:56] She didn't do anything

[00:14:58] Technically

[00:14:59] She doesn't know

[00:15:01] He even went for her

[00:15:02] He Q'd her in

[00:15:05] And she went against him

[00:15:06] So if anything

[00:15:07] He should be like

[00:15:08] I don't know what the

[00:15:09] Mad Maria would be

[00:15:11] But full naming her

[00:15:12] Because

[00:15:13] She's in the doghouse more

[00:15:15] As much as he was compared to a dog

[00:15:16] But I feel like with Q

[00:15:18] I've spoken about

[00:15:19] The character so much

[00:15:20] But for me

[00:15:21] It wasn't just that

[00:15:22] He was a caricature

[00:15:23] Like the depth

[00:15:24] That I feel we got from him

[00:15:25] Like the heart

[00:15:27] The complexity

[00:15:28] I feel like kind of went beyond

[00:15:30] Because I think with these big characters

[00:15:31] We see the 2D and 3D version of them often

[00:15:34] Like Coach can become pretty 2D

[00:15:36] I think as entertaining

[00:15:37] As it is

[00:15:38] Rupert

[00:15:39] Definitely in Pearl Island

[00:15:40] Is so 3D

[00:15:41] And then it kind of thins out

[00:15:42] Over the returning season

[00:15:43] With Q I feel like

[00:15:44] Maybe in the returning season

[00:15:47] That would be the risk

[00:15:48] That it would be

[00:15:49] He would just lean too much

[00:15:50] Into all of the bits

[00:15:52] Which I love

[00:15:53] Like the shtick

[00:15:54] Obsessed with it

[00:15:55] But I feel like he had the heart

[00:15:56] He had the depth

[00:15:58] And possibly

[00:15:59] I wouldn't wish this

[00:16:00] And I hope to see the returning season

[00:16:02] A million times from him

[00:16:03] But you can't just lean into

[00:16:05] The cute skirt over all

[00:16:06] It's also going to be

[00:16:07] The person who beats themselves up

[00:16:09] Because they lost a football game

[00:16:10] In high school

[00:16:11] Whatever

[00:16:12] I'm sure it was important to him

[00:16:13] And then it was like

[00:16:14] I'm going to quit

[00:16:15] But no I'm not

[00:16:16] That kind of complexity

[00:16:17] The layers of that

[00:16:18] The humanity of all of that

[00:16:19] Beyond the TV characters

[00:16:20] What made it so great

[00:16:21] And I worry that

[00:16:22] Maybe there would be

[00:16:23] A little bit too much TV

[00:16:24] But hey

[00:16:25] I'm willing to watch him try

[00:16:26] Like I'm willing to see how it goes

[00:16:27] Because I think he was just that entertaining

[00:16:29] That's a fair point

[00:16:30] That's a fair point

[00:16:31] And I want to shout out

[00:16:32] To the conversations

[00:16:34] That Maria and Q have

[00:16:36] On the beach

[00:16:37] Q is listening

[00:16:38] He is listening

[00:16:39] And the way that he's

[00:16:40] Communicating with Maria

[00:16:42] Is so genuine

[00:16:43] And you can see

[00:16:44] You can see this

[00:16:45] And I think that

[00:16:46] That was like a really

[00:16:49] I am glad that they showed

[00:16:51] The full spectrum

[00:16:52] Of the Q

[00:16:53] And I think that really came through

[00:16:55] And obviously Maria

[00:16:56] Has done a fantastic job

[00:16:58] Of scooping Q up

[00:17:00] However many episodes ago

[00:17:02] And building this into

[00:17:04] You know a really

[00:17:05] Well now he's gone

[00:17:06] But you know

[00:17:07] To a really genuine

[00:17:09] The level

[00:17:10] Like the genuineness in Q's

[00:17:11] Conversations with Maria

[00:17:12] Were unlike

[00:17:14] The conversations that Q was having

[00:17:15] With Kenzie and Tiff

[00:17:17] Back on the day

[00:17:19] On the original Tribe

[00:17:20] Like it was

[00:17:21] Q was kind of

[00:17:22] Not really listening so much

[00:17:24] Whereas I felt like

[00:17:25] He was really listening to Maria

[00:17:26] And so I think that

[00:17:27] Yeah there is

[00:17:28] Complexity that Q

[00:17:29] Which shone on through

[00:17:31] So yeah I enjoyed that a lot

[00:17:33] Yeah I mean his

[00:17:34] Relationship with Maria

[00:17:35] I think I've said

[00:17:36] The re-watch of the season

[00:17:37] Would be so fun

[00:17:38] Because for me

[00:17:39] A lot of the like

[00:17:40] Ironic foreshadowing

[00:17:41] Like especially knowing

[00:17:42] That four people in a row

[00:17:43] Were going to go home with idols

[00:17:44] Which is so funny

[00:17:45] Five people total

[00:17:46] Insane

[00:17:47] And there's so much funny

[00:17:48] It's like I really love

[00:17:49] In this episode

[00:17:50] How

[00:17:51] He was like

[00:17:52] Ooh if I just keep it one more

[00:17:53] And for him like especially

[00:17:54] Because it would be the last round

[00:17:55] Like then I'm at four

[00:17:56] Tiffany had the exact same sentence

[00:17:57] Like then I'm at six

[00:17:59] And Venus we've spoken about

[00:18:00] Like had all of her stuff with that

[00:18:02] You know like talking about

[00:18:03] People going home with idols

[00:18:04] And then suffering the same fate

[00:18:05] But I think one of the

[00:18:06] Interesting things on the re-watch

[00:18:08] Would be

[00:18:09] Tracking Q and Maria's relationship

[00:18:11] Because really the most wrong

[00:18:12] Ever done to Q

[00:18:14] Was by Charlie and Maria

[00:18:16] Like he told Maria

[00:18:17] He gave Maria the trust

[00:18:18] He actually went to bat for Maria

[00:18:19] So hard against Tiffany

[00:18:20] And he gave her the trust

[00:18:21] Of telling her Tiffany's idol

[00:18:22] And then she broke that trust

[00:18:23] By telling Charlie

[00:18:24] And then Charlie's the one

[00:18:25] Who told Tiffany

[00:18:26] And that really blew up his game

[00:18:28] So if he had like a

[00:18:30] You know

[00:18:32] Issue with anyone

[00:18:33] It probably should have been

[00:18:34] Legitimately them

[00:18:35] And he still has had

[00:18:36] You know so much

[00:18:38] Not just forgiveness

[00:18:39] Like it never seemed to be an issue

[00:18:40] Like he's had so much respect for her

[00:18:41] As very much an equal

[00:18:43] And there was a secret scene last week

[00:18:45] Where he and Liz kind of make up

[00:18:46] And she's like

[00:18:47] I don't really understand you as a player

[00:18:48] But I understand you as a person

[00:18:49] It's such a good secret scene

[00:18:50] So interesting

[00:18:51] The scenes that they leave

[00:18:52] On the cutting room floor

[00:18:53] And I've said there's been some

[00:18:54] Really, really important secret scenes

[00:18:57] That they've like left out of the season

[00:18:59] And that was one of them

[00:19:00] Where you kind of see

[00:19:02] This other side of Q

[00:19:03] Talking to Liz about

[00:19:04] Like how they've both

[00:19:05] Struggled with like food scarcity

[00:19:07] And being poor

[00:19:08] And how they understand

[00:19:09] Now they're both business people

[00:19:10] Now they understand each other

[00:19:11] And a lot of it is like

[00:19:12] You have the thing that I want

[00:19:13] And they're both so familiar

[00:19:14] With that feeling

[00:19:16] And now I'm against you because of it

[00:19:18] But actually we both understand that feeling

[00:19:20] We should understand each other

[00:19:21] So they have the mutual insight there

[00:19:23] That's interesting

[00:19:24] I missed that

[00:19:25] Yeah, cool

[00:19:26] So that was a great secret scene

[00:19:29] So yeah, I think we got

[00:19:30] In all the content

[00:19:32] A lot of the layers of Q

[00:19:33] We're 15 minutes into this podcast

[00:19:34] Over 15

[00:19:35] And I realised

[00:19:36] I didn't get to ask you

[00:19:38] How you are, Mark

[00:19:39] Since I'm usually

[00:19:40] Like how are you doing?

[00:19:41] Tell the listeners

[00:19:42] Just like we haven't heard from you

[00:19:43] Like how

[00:19:44] We're like Venus in 46

[00:19:45] Straight to the point

[00:19:46] Just kidding

[00:19:47] We've done a little small talk

[00:19:48] Blow past the small talk

[00:19:50] Right into the American accents

[00:19:52] Yeah

[00:19:53] Yeah, yeah, yeah

[00:19:54] Like we're like

[00:19:55] Yeah, no

[00:19:56] Thank you, Shannon

[00:19:57] I'm fine

[00:19:58] Thank you

[00:19:59] No, I'm doing well

[00:20:01] I'm good

[00:20:02] Working

[00:20:03] I've maintained

[00:20:05] Some good physical

[00:20:06] Fitness habits

[00:20:07] Since Survivor

[00:20:09] Which is good

[00:20:11] And yeah, I'm up here

[00:20:12] In sunny Brisbane

[00:20:13] Queensland

[00:20:14] The weather is amazing

[00:20:15] It's raining for me right now

[00:20:17] Yeah, yeah, yeah

[00:20:18] I'm such a

[00:20:19] Just brag about the weather

[00:20:20] In Queensland

[00:20:21] It's so good at the moment

[00:20:22] And yeah, how are you?

[00:20:23] I saw you had a great trip

[00:20:24] In the States

[00:20:25] And it was really fun

[00:20:26] Oh, the best trip

[00:20:27] But now it's like

[00:20:28] Now I'm like

[00:20:29] I've been back for

[00:20:30] Like now I'm sad

[00:20:31] You know

[00:20:32] Like now the trip is over

[00:20:33] Now we just watch

[00:20:34] Eileen's holiday in the States

[00:20:35] And you go

[00:20:36] My goodness

[00:20:37] She knows that I'm like

[00:20:38] I'm so jealous

[00:20:39] Like she's doing

[00:20:40] I mean she's doing

[00:20:41] Way more than I did

[00:20:42] I'm like

[00:20:43] Hang out with my

[00:20:44] I'm like

[00:20:45] I'm so much further from this

[00:20:46] I should just block Eileen

[00:20:49] And now there's like

[00:20:50] She's going to the

[00:20:51] Canary party this week

[00:20:52] And Caroline's going

[00:20:53] And George is there

[00:20:54] And like

[00:20:55] Everyone

[00:20:56] Maybe

[00:20:57] Everyone's in America

[00:20:58] Maybe people who tipped off

[00:20:59] On what the

[00:21:00] I hope

[00:21:01] Well Eileen already has

[00:21:02] A bit of an American accent

[00:21:03] But I heard

[00:21:04] I heard George do accents before

[00:21:05] He's terrible

[00:21:06] I don't know about Caroline

[00:21:07] So yeah

[00:21:09] No one try it

[00:21:10] It's bad

[00:21:11] You binged the whole season

[00:21:12] So you said that

[00:21:13] It's been slow

[00:21:14] But I feel like

[00:21:15] Has it really picked up for you

[00:21:17] Because

[00:21:18] Is it recency bias for me

[00:21:19] That I'm like

[00:21:20] This is the best stretch

[00:21:21] Of the new era now

[00:21:22] I think the 42 merge

[00:21:23] Is excellent

[00:21:24] That's like the

[00:21:25] Other biggest contender for me

[00:21:26] But I just feel like

[00:21:27] Four people in a row

[00:21:28] Like every single time

[00:21:29] This happens

[00:21:30] After the episode

[00:21:31] I just

[00:21:32] I laugh and laugh

[00:21:33] Even when it's happening

[00:21:34] To people I really like

[00:21:35] I just think it's so funny

[00:21:36] And I also just think

[00:21:38] The storytelling

[00:21:39] Like the Maria

[00:21:40] Charlie scene

[00:21:41] Where they're like

[00:21:42] Going back and forth

[00:21:43] That was so great

[00:21:44] I really like how we

[00:21:45] Have this theme of

[00:21:46] People being upset

[00:21:47] About the rewards

[00:21:48] And then it's like

[00:21:49] Cutting between

[00:21:50] So like I feel like

[00:21:51] This season

[00:21:52] It's I think because

[00:21:53] They have great narrators

[00:21:54] And because the drama

[00:21:55] Has been really good

[00:21:56] But it also just has

[00:21:57] Such great storytelling

[00:21:58] Because like there's

[00:21:59] Like I even did like

[00:22:00] Survival 46 bingo on Twitter

[00:22:01] Because there's so many things

[00:22:02] That you can tick off

[00:22:03] On like what is like

[00:22:04] A really thematic season

[00:22:05] It's almost like

[00:22:06] It's well written

[00:22:07] Like it's scripted

[00:22:08] So I'm really loving

[00:22:09] So I'm really loving it

[00:22:10] But is it my recency bias

[00:22:11] To be that high on it?

[00:22:13] Look I think

[00:22:14] I think it's good

[00:22:16] I've really enjoyed

[00:22:17] Some players in particular

[00:22:19] I love Tevin

[00:22:20] I think Tevin was one of my favourite

[00:22:22] New era survival players

[00:22:26] Entertaining

[00:22:27] Just pops off the screen

[00:22:30] Interesting

[00:22:31] Really good at

[00:22:32] Building relationships

[00:22:33] So I found like the merge

[00:22:35] You know like that

[00:22:36] The Soda and the Tevin boots

[00:22:37] Were fascinating

[00:22:40] I really like 45 as well

[00:22:42] I did really like 45

[00:22:44] In particular

[00:22:45] Like the

[00:22:46] You know like the

[00:22:47] The nature of Dee and Austin

[00:22:48] And then

[00:22:49] There's a Julie

[00:22:51] And yeah

[00:22:52] And Jake

[00:22:53] And Keturah

[00:22:54] I really think

[00:22:55] For me I still

[00:22:56] I think 45 was a real

[00:22:58] Return to form

[00:23:00] For US Survivor

[00:23:02] And I think 46 is coming home strong

[00:23:05] But so

[00:23:06] I don't want to disagree with you

[00:23:07] But my preference

[00:23:08] My slight preference is

[00:23:10] 40

[00:23:11] Drew

[00:23:12] My slight preference is 45

[00:23:13] Just because I felt like

[00:23:15] In 46

[00:23:16] The storytelling

[00:23:17] The stories are interesting

[00:23:18] I really love the editing

[00:23:20] Of the juxtaposition

[00:23:21] Or the

[00:23:22] I saw Nathan tweeting about dichotomy

[00:23:24] Yes it was quite funny

[00:23:25] The juxtaposition between

[00:23:27] Tweeting? Nathan?

[00:23:28] Oh no not tweeting

[00:23:29] Sorry

[00:23:30] Chatting, commenting on Instagram

[00:23:31] Sorry

[00:23:32] Okay yeah that's right

[00:23:33] Nathan on Twitter

[00:23:34] That doesn't feel like

[00:23:35] The social media

[00:23:37] It was funny

[00:23:38] It was really funny

[00:23:39] He was joking about dichotomy

[00:23:40] But the juxtaposition between

[00:23:44] Charles and Maria

[00:23:47] Where they're both like

[00:23:48] Having that conversation

[00:23:50] Wondering if the other person understands

[00:23:52] That they're coming for them

[00:23:53] And then both sort of confessing

[00:23:55] That they don't think

[00:23:57] That the other person understands

[00:23:58] That they're coming for them

[00:23:59] Like I thought that was like a

[00:24:00] Really, really

[00:24:02] Beautiful piece of editing

[00:24:05] The way they sat them on the boat

[00:24:06] There on the beach

[00:24:07] And then had the cuts

[00:24:08] And the confessionals

[00:24:09] Like that was

[00:24:10] That was beautiful

[00:24:12] And then also yeah

[00:24:13] The reward

[00:24:14] Seeing them eat the food

[00:24:16] And then cut to Maria at camp

[00:24:18] Like a sobbing mess

[00:24:20] Yeah that was

[00:24:21] Yeah some really good editing

[00:24:23] In 46 in particular I think

[00:24:26] And obviously how could you forget

[00:24:27] The Applebee's saga

[00:24:29] That continued

[00:24:30] That was resolved finally

[00:24:32] So I'm happy to see Liz eat

[00:24:33] Which was good

[00:24:34] Yeah even this episode

[00:24:35] Hugh was talking about Applebee's

[00:24:36] This is what I'm saying

[00:24:37] It's like running themes

[00:24:38] Because you have characters

[00:24:40] Who have quotes

[00:24:41] Like have like taglines

[00:24:42] You know

[00:24:44] What are the things I'm thinking of

[00:24:46] Not taglines but

[00:24:48] Mottos

[00:24:50] Yeah like a catchphrase

[00:24:51] The audience is screaming it in their gut

[00:24:52] Catchphrase, that's it

[00:24:54] Catchphrases, yes

[00:24:56] I want a catchphrase

[00:24:57] Like how come they have catchphrases

[00:24:58] That's something that like

[00:24:59] The Simpsons have

[00:25:00] That not human beings have

[00:25:01] But Ben does and Hugh does

[00:25:02] And like Liz even has

[00:25:03] Her little shtick

[00:25:04] Like everyone's got their thing

[00:25:06] I think that the issue

[00:25:07] That people have with the season

[00:25:08] Is like

[00:25:09] It's mostly defined by

[00:25:11] Not great gameplay

[00:25:12] Like big mistakes

[00:25:14] That's one of the catchphrases

[00:25:15] Drama, chaos

[00:25:16] Largely led by players

[00:25:17] Like Hugh, Venus, Liz

[00:25:19] Like Charlie has been

[00:25:20] I think really excellent

[00:25:22] Like he like

[00:25:23] Under reported story last week

[00:25:24] He already won the Chizzy

[00:25:26] But again it's subtle

[00:25:27] It's consistent

[00:25:28] It's not super exciting

[00:25:30] So that's been good

[00:25:31] It's not defined

[00:25:32] I think in the entertainment

[00:25:33] By that

[00:25:34] Then other like

[00:25:35] Even good players have

[00:25:36] Big pros and cons

[00:25:37] Like Maria, Tiffany

[00:25:38] Even someone like Hugh

[00:25:39] Then there are other people

[00:25:40] Who have big faults

[00:25:42] Ben, Liz, Venus

[00:25:44] In their gameplay

[00:25:45] So for me it's like

[00:25:47] There are other seasons

[00:25:48] Marked by big mistakes

[00:25:49] Like say Micronesia

[00:25:50] Which the season has been compared to

[00:25:51] In the post-merge

[00:25:52] Where a lot of people

[00:25:53] Went home with things

[00:25:54] Or gave away things

[00:25:55] But the Black Widow Brigade

[00:25:56] Are like

[00:25:57] Also

[00:25:58] That season is defined

[00:25:59] By how good

[00:26:00] The Black Widow Brigade was

[00:26:01] Like they changed the game

[00:26:03] So much just in their

[00:26:04] Excellence of gameplay

[00:26:05] That two women could never

[00:26:06] Have another conversation

[00:26:07] Without someone being like

[00:26:09] No, that's not what it was like

[00:26:11] So they were like

[00:26:12] What Rob and Amber did

[00:26:13] For Showmances

[00:26:14] They did that I think

[00:26:15] Really for Widow's Alliance

[00:26:16] So

[00:26:17] That's a good gameplay

[00:26:19] And whereas

[00:26:20] I don't think

[00:26:21] In the narrative

[00:26:22] And in the entertainment

[00:26:23] The season is defined by

[00:26:24] Even the good gameplay

[00:26:25] That we've seen

[00:26:26] It's very much on

[00:26:27] Actually the negative gameplay

[00:26:28] But even as like

[00:26:29] An energy nerd

[00:26:30] I'm having fun with that

[00:26:31] Like I don't need to see

[00:26:32] That every time

[00:26:33] But

[00:26:34] It's fun that things

[00:26:35] Can be unhinged

[00:26:36] And that people can make mistakes

[00:26:37] And that that can be like

[00:26:38] The kind of onus

[00:26:39] Of the season for me

[00:26:40] I agree, I agree

[00:26:41] I think that

[00:26:42] Yeah, I don't need to see

[00:26:43] Flawless

[00:26:44] I mean

[00:26:45] I love seeing Micronesia

[00:26:46] Like

[00:26:47] You know

[00:26:48] Some

[00:26:49] Possibly my favourite season ever

[00:26:51] I think that

[00:26:52] Charles

[00:26:53] I'm gonna go with Charlie

[00:26:55] You're Charlie

[00:26:56] And I'm gonna stop speaking

[00:26:57] QO lingo

[00:26:58] I'm gonna have to English

[00:26:59] And now we're gonna have

[00:27:00] More conversations

[00:27:01] To human beings

[00:27:02] Yeah

[00:27:03] Charlie

[00:27:05] Has exploited

[00:27:07] He has exploited

[00:27:08] Brilliantly

[00:27:10] The inability

[00:27:12] Of Liz

[00:27:13] Q

[00:27:15] I don't think

[00:27:16] Liz and Q in particular

[00:27:17] I think Kenzie

[00:27:18] Has done it with more

[00:27:19] Strategic reasoning

[00:27:20] Whereas I think Liz is

[00:27:22] Just honestly

[00:27:23] Emotionally

[00:27:25] Resentful

[00:27:26] Repulsed

[00:27:27] Irritated

[00:27:28] Just

[00:27:29] Like

[00:27:30] Can't bring herself

[00:27:31] To even really talk to Q

[00:27:33] And then Q

[00:27:34] Has kind of

[00:27:35] Isolated himself

[00:27:36] In particular ways

[00:27:38] You know

[00:27:39] With Venus as well

[00:27:40] And others

[00:27:41] But I think that

[00:27:42] You have to give

[00:27:43] Credit to Charlie

[00:27:44] For exploiting these cracks

[00:27:45] Working with Maria

[00:27:46] Covering

[00:27:47] Like Maria hasn't seemed

[00:27:49] To

[00:27:50] Build a good

[00:27:51] Like

[00:27:52] What am I trying to say?

[00:27:53] Maria hasn't built

[00:27:54] A good relationship

[00:27:55] With Kenzie

[00:27:56] And

[00:27:57] Liz

[00:27:58] And it came through

[00:27:59] You know

[00:28:00] I think the conversation

[00:28:01] Between Maria, Kenzie and Liz

[00:28:02] When she's like

[00:28:03] Alright we're all on board with Charlie

[00:28:04] And they're like

[00:28:05] Yeah he's gotta go

[00:28:06] He's gotta go

[00:28:07] But there was

[00:28:08] Not much of a foundation there

[00:28:09] Whereas Charlie has

[00:28:10] The network

[00:28:11] Across the tribe

[00:28:14] And even with Ben

[00:28:15] Like you know

[00:28:16] He's really

[00:28:17] Exploited that well

[00:28:18] So

[00:28:20] You know

[00:28:21] Like where he's

[00:28:22] I think Charlie's done really well

[00:28:23] To get into a position

[00:28:24] Where

[00:28:25] He is right now

[00:28:26] A lot is gonna come

[00:28:27] We can get into

[00:28:28] How he gets to the end

[00:28:29] And wins

[00:28:32] But yeah

[00:28:33] He's done

[00:28:34] Amazingly well

[00:28:35] I didn't know that

[00:28:36] He'd already won the Chizzies

[00:28:37] And that's probably fair enough

[00:28:39] I think that

[00:28:40] There's

[00:28:41] Big question is

[00:28:42] This jury

[00:28:43] How are they going to be

[00:28:44] Because

[00:28:45] Unlike Titans V Rebels

[00:28:46] And my man Eden

[00:28:48] Who was a stellar

[00:28:49] Podcaster on

[00:28:51] Not too long ago

[00:28:53] We were very happy

[00:28:54] To let other people

[00:28:55] Take credit for things

[00:28:59] Whereas on this season

[00:29:00] It's all about

[00:29:01] No that was my move

[00:29:03] That was my move

[00:29:04] You know like

[00:29:05] And so I think

[00:29:06] When it comes to the jury

[00:29:07] It's gonna be interesting

[00:29:08] To see if they're open

[00:29:09] To listening to people

[00:29:10] Explain what they've done

[00:29:11] And then you're gonna have

[00:29:12] To really

[00:29:14] Acknowledge

[00:29:15] The role that other people had

[00:29:17] Like yes Venus

[00:29:18] You were involved in the Soda Vote

[00:29:19] But you know

[00:29:20] We also

[00:29:21] Were driving that too

[00:29:22] So

[00:29:23] I think it's gonna be

[00:29:24] Really interesting to see

[00:29:25] How Charlie

[00:29:26] If he gets to the end

[00:29:28] Can

[00:29:29] Basically stroke the egos

[00:29:31] Of the massive egos

[00:29:32] That are sitting on the

[00:29:34] And at the same time

[00:29:36] Be tough

[00:29:37] And ferocious

[00:29:39] And break their expectations

[00:29:41] Of him just as like

[00:29:42] A Taylor Swift fan

[00:29:43] You know like

[00:29:44] He's gotta really put his

[00:29:46] Sword in the ground

[00:29:47] And kind of really

[00:29:48] Go for broke

[00:29:49] And I think he can do that

[00:29:53] Well it is about

[00:29:54] The jury for me

[00:29:55] Because I've said

[00:29:56] I think the jury

[00:29:57] Are gonna be weird

[00:29:58] Because the players are weird

[00:29:59] And now they're the jurors

[00:30:00] And the meta's been so strange

[00:30:01] Like I could just see them

[00:30:02] Asking questions that are

[00:30:03] Just so bizarre

[00:30:04] Because of

[00:30:05] What did you do to take out

[00:30:06] Your number one

[00:30:07] You know that's how

[00:30:08] You play the driver

[00:30:09] That's how they play the game

[00:30:10] So that's how they're

[00:30:11] Gonna look at it

[00:30:12] From Ponderosa

[00:30:13] So with Charlie

[00:30:14] I mean let's start there

[00:30:15] If we kind of look

[00:30:16] At the past

[00:30:17] Where everyone is

[00:30:18] And like how they're doing

[00:30:19] I feel like

[00:30:20] I'm so high on Charlie

[00:30:21] Because I feel like

[00:30:22] The past should be so clear

[00:30:23] Like Maria's like the target

[00:30:24] So she needs to defend

[00:30:26] And the other three

[00:30:27] Ben, Liz and Kenzie

[00:30:29] Have like allowed

[00:30:31] Like basically

[00:30:33] Like Maria or Charlie

[00:30:34] To get to the final four

[00:30:35] Assumedly Charlie

[00:30:36] If like Maria doesn't win immunity

[00:30:38] I think that that's like a failing

[00:30:39] On the rest of them

[00:30:40] Because I feel like

[00:30:41] Maria, Charlie

[00:30:43] And what would have been Q

[00:30:44] All have a good shot

[00:30:45] At the final four

[00:30:46] Those are probably the biggest

[00:30:47] Challenge threats

[00:30:48] And they all have

[00:30:49] I think some

[00:30:50] You know reason

[00:30:51] That they'd be good at fire

[00:30:52] I don't know if Liz

[00:30:53] Would be great at fire

[00:30:54] But like I believe it

[00:30:55] Maria apparently is great at fire

[00:30:56] Charlie is the prepper

[00:30:57] Like there's no way

[00:30:58] I mean I know this didn't work out

[00:30:59] Well for Carson

[00:31:00] But he's probably

[00:31:01] Highly prepped something like fire

[00:31:03] He's been doing his

[00:31:05] The wrist strengthening

[00:31:07] The grip strength

[00:31:08] That was amazing

[00:31:09] Exactly

[00:31:10] So he's doing that

[00:31:11] How much is he prepping fire

[00:31:12] So knowing that

[00:31:13] That's definitely something

[00:31:14] That will come up

[00:31:15] So I think for me

[00:31:16] It's a failing for all of them

[00:31:18] Like that's why Charlie

[00:31:19] Is so far ahead for me

[00:31:20] Because like how do you

[00:31:21] How do you let Charlie

[00:31:22] The superfan who's prepped everything

[00:31:23] Get to the final four

[00:31:24] With all going well

[00:31:26] And that was something

[00:31:27] They set up last week

[00:31:28] With like Venus going

[00:31:29] And like Q and Maria being

[00:31:30] The presumptive next targets

[00:31:32] And now with Q going

[00:31:33] That has made good

[00:31:34] Like the fact that Charlie

[00:31:36] Like we said a couple of weeks ago

[00:31:37] That Charlie

[00:31:39] You know if Maria doesn't win

[00:31:40] That's really bad for Charlie

[00:31:41] And now she's won twice

[00:31:43] And he hasn't been the target

[00:31:45] Either of the time

[00:31:46] I mean from Maria he was

[00:31:47] But like he was never

[00:31:48] Ever really in danger

[00:31:49] Over the

[00:31:50] Like it wasn't even considered

[00:31:51] We saw all the votes for Q

[00:31:52] Because it wasn't

[00:31:53] There was no even

[00:31:54] Swing vote narrative to give

[00:31:55] That's so impressive for me

[00:31:57] So for me

[00:31:58] This is how I look at

[00:31:59] If he loses

[00:32:01] This is how I will credit the winner

[00:32:03] If he somehow goes

[00:32:04] To the final four

[00:32:05] I will not be high on that winner

[00:32:06] Because I feel like

[00:32:07] That's so hard to predict

[00:32:08] Like he loses a challenge

[00:32:09] And loses fire

[00:32:10] You still would give him

[00:32:11] A pretty good shot

[00:32:12] At those things

[00:32:13] You don't know what

[00:32:14] The challenge will be

[00:32:15] Fire can be so random

[00:32:16] These are clearly metrics

[00:32:17] That matter less to me

[00:32:18] And that's the way

[00:32:19] That I commentate on it

[00:32:20] So if that's how he loses

[00:32:21] It's like you could have

[00:32:22] Gone to the end with Charlie

[00:32:23] And he would have won

[00:32:24] But he happened to

[00:32:25] Fall through the gaps at four

[00:32:26] I will not be high on that

[00:32:28] If he loses at three

[00:32:29] And someone like Kenzie

[00:32:30] Especially beats him

[00:32:31] And she's just reading

[00:32:32] This weird jury

[00:32:33] Much better than I am

[00:32:34] She knows that it's a fine path

[00:32:35] To go to the end with Charlie

[00:32:37] She can do well

[00:32:38] At a final tribal council

[00:32:39] Firstly, jury reads

[00:32:40] And final tribal council

[00:32:41] These are metrics

[00:32:42] I very much do care about

[00:32:43] And then it won't be

[00:32:44] Results oriented to say

[00:32:45] You just had a better read

[00:32:46] On that situation than I did

[00:32:47] And your pathway

[00:32:48] This entire time

[00:32:49] Was a lot better

[00:32:50] Than I was giving it credit for

[00:32:51] So if that's the case

[00:32:52] If he's going to lose

[00:32:53] At the end

[00:32:54] Because he's too quiet

[00:32:55] Because his game is too subtle

[00:32:56] Because it's consistent

[00:32:57] But not kind of loud

[00:32:58] And flashy

[00:32:59] Where like Kenzie has the story

[00:33:00] And she's Yanu

[00:33:01] And it's been sloppy

[00:33:02] But it's been, I think, bigger

[00:33:04] If that's what it is

[00:33:05] Then that's so fine for Kenzie

[00:33:07] But if it's like

[00:33:08] We do actually need Charlie out

[00:33:10] And as Q and Maria

[00:33:11] Clearly do think

[00:33:12] He is this lovable threat

[00:33:13] Who has challenged wins

[00:33:14] And has been strategically

[00:33:16] Very savvy

[00:33:17] If that's what it is

[00:33:18] And then he falls

[00:33:19] Through the gaps at four

[00:33:20] Especially if like

[00:33:21] The winner is not the person

[00:33:22] To like execute

[00:33:24] Getting him out at four

[00:33:25] Again, I don't really care

[00:33:26] About that fire and stuff

[00:33:27] But like especially then

[00:33:28] It would just feel like

[00:33:30] A lot less intentional

[00:33:31] In the win

[00:33:32] Than if he can be beaten

[00:33:33] At three

[00:33:34] And someone like Kenzie

[00:33:35] Is reading that

[00:33:36] And then she does

[00:33:37] Make good on that

[00:33:38] In the end

[00:33:39] Fascinating

[00:33:40] Because I think we're both

[00:33:41] Basically narrowing down

[00:33:42] To the scenario

[00:33:43] Where we think it's between

[00:33:45] We think that there's

[00:33:46] A collective interest

[00:33:47] For Maria to go next

[00:33:49] And then

[00:33:50] Assuming she doesn't win immunity

[00:33:52] And then

[00:33:53] We've basically written

[00:33:54] Liz and Ben off

[00:33:55] Well, I want

[00:33:56] We'll talk about it

[00:33:57] From edit and game

[00:33:58] It's slightly different to me

[00:33:59] But I will say

[00:34:00] That between game and edit

[00:34:01] I think I gave them

[00:34:02] A collective like one percent chance

[00:34:04] Over both of those things

[00:34:05] So yes

[00:34:06] Yeah

[00:34:07] But what I went back

[00:34:08] I went back

[00:34:09] And this is what

[00:34:10] Kenzie said

[00:34:11] In the episode

[00:34:12] Where Venus went home

[00:34:13] She said

[00:34:14] If an idol

[00:34:15] Comes into

[00:34:16] She wants Q out

[00:34:17] Because she wants

[00:34:18] But instead Venus went out

[00:34:19] If an idol comes

[00:34:20] Into player six

[00:34:21] And Q gets it

[00:34:23] And Maria wins immunity

[00:34:24] Then we are screwed

[00:34:26] So

[00:34:27] Like

[00:34:28] That's exactly what happened

[00:34:29] Except Q didn't play

[00:34:31] She literally said that

[00:34:32] And that's exactly what happened

[00:34:35] Q didn't

[00:34:36] Q didn't play

[00:34:39] His idol

[00:34:40] But like in Kenzie's mind

[00:34:41] She would have thought

[00:34:42] That he played it

[00:34:43] So I think that Kenzie

[00:34:44] Is potentially

[00:34:47] Planning on going ahead

[00:34:48] With Charlie

[00:34:49] So this is the big issue for me

[00:34:51] Is what is the relationship

[00:34:53] Does Kenzie think

[00:34:54] She can beat Charlie at the end

[00:34:56] Or is

[00:34:57] How accurate is that

[00:34:59] Because

[00:35:00] Kenzie

[00:35:01] I think has been

[00:35:03] A social

[00:35:04] Like weapon

[00:35:05] She is a weapon

[00:35:06] She is so good

[00:35:07] At the social game

[00:35:09] I think that

[00:35:10] The way that she is genuinely

[00:35:11] Engaged with Ben

[00:35:13] And it's not

[00:35:14] It's not like malicious

[00:35:15] But it's just like

[00:35:16] She's such an

[00:35:17] Engaging person

[00:35:18] She's caring

[00:35:19] And I think that people

[00:35:21] Resonate with that

[00:35:22] Now does

[00:35:23] Does she have the ability

[00:35:25] To tell a strategic story

[00:35:27] That normally would be

[00:35:28] Persuasive for a jury

[00:35:30] That's an important question

[00:35:31] But what you're saying

[00:35:32] Which has now piqued my interest

[00:35:34] Is

[00:35:35] Is that even how

[00:35:36] The jury is gonna

[00:35:37] Like

[00:35:38] Choose about

[00:35:39] Where they cast their vote

[00:35:40] You know

[00:35:41] Maybe they will

[00:35:43] Maybe they just

[00:35:44] Will be annoyed by

[00:35:46] By

[00:35:47] They might be easily annoyed

[00:35:48] And frustrated

[00:35:49] By people's pitches at the end

[00:35:50] And they might just be like

[00:35:51] Ah, Kenzie you were like

[00:35:52] Yeah, you were like

[00:35:53] In on most of the votes

[00:35:55] And you're a good person

[00:35:56] And I'm gonna

[00:35:57] I don't know

[00:35:58] I'm just really curious

[00:35:59] About how this jury is gonna cast their votes

[00:36:00] So I think it's

[00:36:01] I think it's not unreasonable

[00:36:03] For

[00:36:04] Kenzie to be thinking this

[00:36:05] At this point in time

[00:36:06] Which potentially

[00:36:07] Highlights how good

[00:36:08] Charlie's gameplay is

[00:36:09] Because he has been able to

[00:36:11] He will

[00:36:12] Potentially have a really strong pitch

[00:36:14] And

[00:36:16] And has managed to

[00:36:17] Confuse or befuddle

[00:36:18] Kenzie into

[00:36:20] Lowering his threat level

[00:36:21] Quite well

[00:36:22] So I think you're right

[00:36:23] I think that from the

[00:36:24] Path for Charles is

[00:36:26] Charles, Charlie

[00:36:27] Is to

[00:36:28] Common enemy

[00:36:30] In Maria next

[00:36:32] And

[00:36:33] He can fumble around

[00:36:34] With a flint maybe at camp

[00:36:35] And try and make them feel like

[00:36:36] He can't make fun of her

[00:36:38] Which is obviously

[00:36:39] He's obviously prepared that

[00:36:40] And

[00:36:41] But he could also

[00:36:42] Take out the wins from here

[00:36:43] Cause he's been really good in challenges

[00:36:45] So

[00:36:46] So he's

[00:36:47] He's in the

[00:36:48] He could easily win his way

[00:36:49] To the end

[00:36:50] Anyway

[00:36:51] And that he could down one

[00:36:52] Commitment

[00:37:06] A tool

[00:37:07] Maria

[00:37:08] kind of path.

[00:37:09] But just with Kenzie, well, firstly,

[00:37:13] what you did so many things about what you've said

[00:37:15] interests me.

[00:37:15] The first part being, you know how Kenzie said,

[00:37:17] what if you find an idol?

[00:37:18] And that for me last week,

[00:37:20] a lot of Charlie's decision-making was around

[00:37:23] at what point you come for like Q and Maria

[00:37:25] because if it's at six, that's kind of dicey

[00:37:27] because that's very delicate.

[00:37:29] Like you gotta hit both times, but then you're at four.

[00:37:32] Like then you're home.

[00:37:33] Whereas like, if you take out Q next time,

[00:37:35] then maybe Maria at six.

[00:37:37] Now you have space, like you don't have to hit every time.

[00:37:38] Like if Maria wins immunity, you've got like, you know,

[00:37:41] time, although obviously she won here

[00:37:43] and Q was still an option, but like, yeah,

[00:37:44] with both of them technically being safe,

[00:37:46] actually it should have failed.

[00:37:47] Like this was the exact fear I had

[00:37:48] of how Charlie could go home.

[00:37:50] And then it still worked out.

[00:37:52] So that was my actual concern was around

[00:37:54] less time, but more protection,

[00:37:55] which is what he went with versus more time,

[00:37:58] but then like a user threat at five that goes, you know,

[00:38:00] and you've like kept Venus in and she's a goat

[00:38:02] and then you go.

[00:38:03] And he went with like the kind of the more protected path,

[00:38:05] but it was dicey to take them out.

[00:38:07] And even in the both being immune,

[00:38:09] technically having immunity, he made it work.

[00:38:11] I guess he knew that immunity is not a thing on this season.

[00:38:13] That's not the immunity.

[00:38:15] So that was just like an interesting thing.

[00:38:19] But in talking about Kenzie,

[00:38:23] as you said, like social weapon.

[00:38:25] And a lot of people say that the social

[00:38:27] and strategic game is synonymous.

[00:38:28] I don't agree with that.

[00:38:30] I think that, as I've said, like, you know,

[00:38:31] social capitals is how you spend a strategic view.

[00:38:33] They interconnect very, very strongly.

[00:38:36] But in terms of being synonymous, I don't agree.

[00:38:37] Like I look at my two, you know,

[00:38:39] talking tribal co-hosts this season

[00:38:40] and I think Chrissy is very social

[00:38:43] without being highly strategic.

[00:38:44] And I think George, it's actually very difficult

[00:38:47] to have a strategic game without social capital.

[00:38:49] But I think if anyone shows that,

[00:38:50] I think George has done that.

[00:38:51] I think there are strategic moves you can make

[00:38:53] like vote splitting or ways that you can change the numbers

[00:38:56] that are not necessarily super social,

[00:38:57] although that is like the currency that you use.

[00:39:00] So, and I think Kenzie would be such a purely like

[00:39:03] almost singularly social winner.

[00:39:06] Like pure relationships, likeability,

[00:39:08] like those are all the things that aren't strategic.

[00:39:11] So I think that would be Kenzie,

[00:39:12] but it's so important looking at

[00:39:15] is Charlie playing so well to lower his threat level

[00:39:18] to get one over on Kenzie and she's wrong in choosing him?

[00:39:21] Cause here she doesn't choose to take him,

[00:39:23] she's technically a swing vote with Liz.

[00:39:24] So this is why it's important.

[00:39:26] So is she just wrong and making a mistake

[00:39:28] because she can't beat him and she's being duped

[00:39:32] or is she right in that she can beat him?

[00:39:34] She can keep moving forward with the people

[00:39:37] like Ben and Charlie that she has relationships with.

[00:39:39] She doesn't need to take the big swing

[00:39:40] and she can, in the social way,

[00:39:42] keep socially working with him, get to the end and beat him.

[00:39:45] In which case he has missed on the way he's perceived

[00:39:49] and she is right on her lead and her pathway

[00:39:52] cause that's what it comes down to

[00:39:53] because this choice here to take out Q,

[00:39:56] who I think, we'll talk about Q's winner chances,

[00:39:59] but he's, I think, at least someone you can exploit more

[00:40:02] in a final trial.

[00:40:03] There's a lot an opponent could say

[00:40:05] about why you don't vote for Q.

[00:40:07] So in taking out Q over Charlie and giving him that room,

[00:40:11] is that a fatal mistake that might bite her?

[00:40:14] And even if it doesn't come back to bite her,

[00:40:16] say he loses at fire, she should be discredited for

[00:40:19] or is she right in that pathway

[00:40:21] and she is again gonna make good on a read

[00:40:24] that Charlie is suffering for?

[00:40:27] Yeah, yeah.

[00:40:28] It's the question.

[00:40:29] I think it's the question and that's what I was like,

[00:40:31] oh, like Kenzie didn't go for Charlie.

[00:40:35] Like you had the chance, you know,

[00:40:38] you've built up so much capital, you could have just,

[00:40:42] and then Charlie would have voted for her to win.

[00:40:44] Like, cause then they can all take out Maria

[00:40:46] the next point if she doesn't win.

[00:40:48] And so, oh goodness.

[00:40:51] I think that, I really think that Kenzie is not,

[00:40:54] we're seeing a lot of her social play.

[00:40:56] She's a great confessionalist.

[00:40:57] She speaks beautifully to the camera.

[00:41:01] I still think she has this,

[00:41:03] I think this is a calculated move from her.

[00:41:05] It just looks like it might be wrong.

[00:41:07] That's my gut feeling,

[00:41:08] that she has underestimated Charlie's ability

[00:41:12] to pitch at the end and Kenzie.

[00:41:16] If I was Charlie, I'd be highlighting,

[00:41:18] I'd be highlighting this vote out right here.

[00:41:20] That like, I'd be saying my game was so good, Kenzie.

[00:41:23] And I've backed myself to sit here and you didn't,

[00:41:26] and I convinced you not to take me out.

[00:41:28] And you had the chance to and you didn't, you know?

[00:41:31] Yeah.

[00:41:32] So yeah, I think-

[00:41:33] Knowing I could win challenges,

[00:41:34] knowing you gave me that opportunity,

[00:41:36] you like handed me the knife.

[00:41:38] I think that is gonna be potentially the,

[00:41:41] well, if I was Charlie, that's what I'd be doing.

[00:41:45] Yeah.

[00:41:46] To sink Kenzie's game.

[00:41:48] I think I lean to her keeping Q here

[00:41:50] because like that is like an antisocial move.

[00:41:53] Like that's against Ben, who she's been so close with.

[00:41:54] That's obviously against Charlie, who she's working with.

[00:41:56] That does embolden Q and Maria together to a point,

[00:42:00] but they're the targets.

[00:42:02] They like, this is why like the relationship game,

[00:42:04] as they kind of talk about a tribal council

[00:42:06] should matter less now.

[00:42:07] It's like, okay, you're keeping someone

[00:42:08] you're not as close with, you're pissing off Ben,

[00:42:09] but what's Ben gonna do?

[00:42:10] Like he still needs to target Q and Maria.

[00:42:13] So at this point,

[00:42:15] I feel like relationships become much less important.

[00:42:18] There's only one more round of voting

[00:42:19] and it should just be about biggest threats and targets.

[00:42:22] Like at the point where Maria is immune,

[00:42:24] you would think that that would fall to Charlie.

[00:42:25] So I lean to taking out Q for Kenzie, but not so much

[00:42:29] because I do think there is some way

[00:42:30] where she can have a louder game than Charlie.

[00:42:33] And because I also think like if she's like taking out Q

[00:42:35] from a jury perspective gives her fully the Yanu claims.

[00:42:38] Like that's my biggest thing for Kenzie.

[00:42:39] I think that's what she's going for.

[00:42:40] Yeah.

[00:42:41] I think that's what she's going for.

[00:42:42] She's gonna say like,

[00:42:43] you know what we suffered before you guys even saw a tribal,

[00:42:46] don't say it like that, that's offensive.

[00:42:48] That is true of how much Yanu went through.

[00:42:50] And the fact that she doesn't have to sit next to Q,

[00:42:52] which again, she'd have a lot to say against Q,

[00:42:54] but she can say, I'm Yanu and I've been playing since day one

[00:42:59] and you guys had a two week vacation.

[00:43:01] Don't say it like that.

[00:43:02] But that's the story.

[00:43:05] So I do think that taking that out

[00:43:06] and being alone Yanu does give her credit.

[00:43:08] So I lean to taking out Q,

[00:43:10] but I still think that there are dangers of Charlie

[00:43:13] and Q at the final four.

[00:43:14] I think at final tribal council,

[00:43:16] I'd probably rather sit next to Q,

[00:43:17] but there's pros and cons

[00:43:19] and I do still think she has a pathway.

[00:43:20] So I'm not so mad at it,

[00:43:22] but I just think it's an interesting thing

[00:43:23] and so much is based on what the story would do

[00:43:26] and how valid that pathway is next to Charlie for me.

[00:43:29] I love how, I think you're right.

[00:43:33] And I think that it's the Yanu pitch.

[00:43:35] It's the Q putting the stake in the Q heart.

[00:43:38] And I think the language that she used this episode was,

[00:43:43] we are all the jesters

[00:43:44] and we're going to take out the king.

[00:43:46] I think that I love this language

[00:43:49] because I think she was lowering her with Liz.

[00:43:52] She wants to lower her threat level with Liz and Ben.

[00:43:56] I can't remember if Charlie was there,

[00:43:58] but it's this seeding this idea

[00:44:01] that taking out Q is valuable,

[00:44:03] is a move in itself.

[00:44:05] And the way that the language that she used in that

[00:44:08] was bringing this group together.

[00:44:10] It was a collective rag tag bunch of jesters

[00:44:13] and it was a beautiful imagery taking out the king,

[00:44:18] even though everyone doesn't like this guy.

[00:44:22] People often like the king, like French revolution.

[00:44:25] Yeah, okay, true.

[00:44:28] But I mean someone like Ferris.

[00:44:29] Charles at the moment, that's the actual Charles,

[00:44:31] King Charles, people aren't huge fans of him either.

[00:44:33] Yeah, well, hey, look.

[00:44:37] Yeah, but do you what I mean?

[00:44:39] Like the biggest target like Ferris,

[00:44:42] like in Titans V Rebels,

[00:44:43] like he's a standout sort of big player,

[00:44:46] like taking down the king.

[00:44:47] That's kind of different.

[00:44:48] Whereas with Q, it's kind of like,

[00:44:50] well, like I'm not so sure that it is big of a move,

[00:44:53] but I like that Kenzie is framing it in that way.

[00:44:56] And I also liked,

[00:44:58] sorry, I'm jumping around a little bit here,

[00:44:59] but Charlie said,

[00:45:01] he also used great language with Kenzie and Liz

[00:45:05] at the reward to say,

[00:45:07] we've got the squad to do it.

[00:45:09] We're a band of goons and we're gonna take down Maria.

[00:45:13] I think this was when he was planning to take down Maria

[00:45:15] before the post reward in the reward,

[00:45:18] but before the immunity.

[00:45:20] And again, I think this is a really smart use of language

[00:45:23] for Charlie with someone like Kenzie

[00:45:25] to lower himself down, to be a band of goons.

[00:45:30] I feel like Drew used the word, or was it Jake?

[00:45:33] Someone in the last season used goons a lot.

[00:45:36] Drew called Jake a goon.

[00:45:37] That's right, that's right.

[00:45:39] That was so good.

[00:45:40] And then yeah, the squad to do it.

[00:45:41] I love this-

[00:45:42] Which is weird because they hadn't even said that.

[00:45:43] They just, like they hadn't seen that.

[00:45:46] I know.

[00:45:47] I think that is just like a beautiful-

[00:45:48] Yeah, so they just be using goons.

[00:45:49] It's just a word.

[00:45:50] What, they're like back in the fifties or something?

[00:45:51] They're like mob bosses and like, yeah.

[00:45:53] Well, I think that it's like the squad of goons.

[00:45:56] I think that this is like a good,

[00:45:58] this is reflecting,

[00:45:59] I think this is showing how Kenzie and Charlie

[00:46:01] are like smart in this way in which they use language

[00:46:04] to bring people together.

[00:46:06] But also there's like an element of violence to it

[00:46:08] that we are taking down.

[00:46:09] We're actually taking someone down.

[00:46:11] We're not just like voting them off.

[00:46:13] We're like bringing someone who's powerful

[00:46:14] down to our level.

[00:46:15] So I think that they're both trying to frame these votes

[00:46:20] in ways that's gonna set them up for their end game pitch.

[00:46:23] And so we'll just have to wait and see.

[00:46:26] But yeah, I like this language.

[00:46:29] It's so funny because having a band of goons without cue

[00:46:31] is just like actually insulting to the word goons.

[00:46:35] Going home with an idol and his cue skirt.

[00:46:37] So, and that's, so it really feels like,

[00:46:41] he would be chief goon.

[00:46:42] But yeah, I think that a lot of people have spoken

[00:46:45] about like Kenzie's use of language at tribal council

[00:46:47] when she talks about the family.

[00:46:49] She like kind of takes away the threat level of Charlie

[00:46:51] as like the lovable dog.

[00:46:53] And it's such an interesting way to frame it that way.

[00:46:55] Cause I agree, she's a good framer.

[00:46:56] Interesting to frame it that way because it's like,

[00:46:58] so these are the brothers, the grandma,

[00:46:59] the aunt and the dog and who am I?

[00:47:01] Like, I'm the main character.

[00:47:02] I'm the protagonist of this sitcom.

[00:47:04] Charlie can easily do the same thing where he,

[00:47:06] but he didn't, like he didn't, you know,

[00:47:07] he's the one who phrased it like that.

[00:47:10] I guess she's like, this is how everyone relates to me.

[00:47:13] Like the core person in this.

[00:47:15] And then the jury like might subconsciously be like,

[00:47:18] yes, in Kenzie's story,

[00:47:19] that's how everyone kind of orbits her.

[00:47:22] I don't know how intentional that is.

[00:47:24] Do you think it's a negative?

[00:47:25] I think this is, I see, I mean,

[00:47:28] maybe this is like my bias coming out,

[00:47:30] but I see Kenzie has floated.

[00:47:33] She's like hung in the background,

[00:47:35] she's got through and then now she's getting to the end.

[00:47:37] She needs to start framing these things at tribal council

[00:47:42] in a way where she has intentionality.

[00:47:44] And I think that this was masterful.

[00:47:47] I think it was masterful to make it playful, make it fun,

[00:47:50] but call Charlie a dog and put her in the middle.

[00:47:52] Like it was, yeah, it was really good.

[00:47:56] So I hope, I want to applaud it.

[00:48:00] I want to applaud it because I think at the end of the day,

[00:48:03] she may not get the result she's hoping for,

[00:48:05] but I think I can see, I see you Kenzie.

[00:48:08] I see you doing this great work.

[00:48:10] Well, I don't know if it was intentional.

[00:48:11] Like is it so intentional

[00:48:12] and I'm falling for how natural it feels

[00:48:14] just because she's so like easy breezy,

[00:48:17] beautiful cover girl kind of Kenzie

[00:48:18] or is it like that she,

[00:48:20] stop model reference for you guys

[00:48:21] or is it that she actually just is authentically that person?

[00:48:25] It's not so intentional,

[00:48:27] but it's also the reason people would vote for her

[00:48:28] because it's so innate in her character,

[00:48:30] which to be fair is also very good.

[00:48:31] Like whatever the reason was,

[00:48:33] it was well-framed and it was good stuff for the jury.

[00:48:35] And if she's going to be like that at final travel council,

[00:48:38] again, it's purely social.

[00:48:39] Like it might not be highly strategic if it is that innate,

[00:48:42] but I still think it's really good.

[00:48:44] And you know,

[00:48:44] talking about how Charlie isn't being targeted

[00:48:46] when he should be,

[00:48:47] there's also credit I think in these two weeks to Kenzie,

[00:48:50] like Venus is targeted over her.

[00:48:52] Liz even is the one that Maria is talking about

[00:48:54] before it even gets to Charlie.

[00:48:55] So I said a couple of weeks ago,

[00:48:57] Maria should be targeting Kenzie.

[00:48:58] She seems like the biggest jury threat of that group

[00:49:00] and they go for Venus over her.

[00:49:02] So it's like, wow,

[00:49:03] she's so non-threatening as a jury threat,

[00:49:05] which could be very bad or to her credit.

[00:49:08] I mean, look,

[00:49:09] she wasn't a worse jury threat than Venus.

[00:49:11] So like the fact that she's escaped through that,

[00:49:13] I think is pretty good.

[00:49:15] As much as I think there could be some pathway issues,

[00:49:19] maybe again,

[00:49:20] her rate is just,

[00:49:22] is actually really good on that.

[00:49:24] And so much of it will come down to that intentionality

[00:49:26] and yet how realistic that was.

[00:49:29] And a lot of that is going to be again in the results,

[00:49:32] but it's not results oriented.

[00:49:33] I just need the intentions to be confirmed to me

[00:49:35] of what they were when they play out.

[00:49:37] I believe it.

[00:49:39] You talked about Maria

[00:49:40] and I think let's kind of jump to Maria a bit

[00:49:42] and then go back to the others.

[00:49:43] But yeah, Maria's path for me is purely defensive

[00:49:46] and she doesn't know that.

[00:49:48] Like she doesn't know,

[00:49:50] she's about to find out.

[00:49:52] Well, she's not really,

[00:49:53] no, she's not about to find out.

[00:49:54] She was told by Pew.

[00:49:55] She still doesn't know how much trouble she's been in.

[00:49:58] As far as Maria knows,

[00:50:00] she was in on the vote last time.

[00:50:02] No knowledge of the fact that she was really a target

[00:50:05] and Q then was really a target.

[00:50:06] She was in on the vote this time.

[00:50:07] She's the one,

[00:50:08] I mean, I guess she was told by the swing votes

[00:50:11] that it would be Charlie and then it wasn't,

[00:50:13] but she still was brought in

[00:50:17] from Charlie's perspective on her being Q.

[00:50:19] She doesn't necessarily need to take that

[00:50:20] as a huge hit against her,

[00:50:21] especially because the swing votes who lied to her

[00:50:23] in Liz and Kenzie are so particularly anti-Q.

[00:50:27] So I don't think that she'll necessarily know

[00:50:29] how bad the heat was,

[00:50:30] even though she voted wrong

[00:50:31] because she was brought in on a Q vote

[00:50:33] and technically she just made a different decision

[00:50:34] and other swing votes that she could think

[00:50:36] were equal swing votes to her,

[00:50:39] made a different decision.

[00:50:41] So that lack of knowledge over the last few weeks,

[00:50:43] I think is not good.

[00:50:46] And how it could continue,

[00:50:47] especially with like a Charlie blind spot,

[00:50:49] it's bad, but it's such a defensive game.

[00:50:53] And it's so, I think, relevant for the new era to go big,

[00:50:56] make a big move, pop your head out

[00:50:57] and then have to defend and make good on that.

[00:50:59] She has executed in winning these two immunity challenges.

[00:51:02] And that is the pathway for me.

[00:51:03] When at five, you're through to the double chance at four.

[00:51:06] And I think she beats anyone with the jury

[00:51:08] because she takes every box of what the jury would want.

[00:51:11] It's big, it's loud.

[00:51:12] It has big individual claimable moves.

[00:51:14] I don't think anyone beats her.

[00:51:15] I think that's her pathway.

[00:51:17] And I think it's actually pretty achievable

[00:51:19] and she's pretty close to that.

[00:51:21] Yeah, I think I agree.

[00:51:23] I mean, there's not a lot I disagree with there.

[00:51:26] I do wonder, yeah, like it's defensive.

[00:51:31] So majorly I'm thinking about,

[00:51:33] could there be a new idol placed at final five?

[00:51:37] Like, I don't think so, right?

[00:51:38] Like, it's just gonna be down to-

[00:51:40] I don't think so because I think that it's gonna be

[00:51:43] about the advantage at the challenge.

[00:51:46] Yeah, okay.

[00:51:48] Yeah, yeah.

[00:51:49] So I think, yeah.

[00:51:49] So basically if she doesn't win immunity,

[00:51:55] does she, she doesn't realize that Charlie

[00:51:58] has been coming for her unless someone tells her.

[00:52:01] She does know, like thinking,

[00:52:03] like she does know that Kenzie and Liz lied to her.

[00:52:06] Like she just voted incorrectly.

[00:52:08] So that's concerning.

[00:52:09] But I think the blind spot is particularly with Charlie.

[00:52:11] And I don't think a Q vote,

[00:52:14] that again, she was looped in on,

[00:52:16] will feel as personal.

[00:52:18] So if she loses immunity,

[00:52:21] we, you know, what we think is most likely,

[00:52:25] basically everyone piles on Maria.

[00:52:29] But from Maria's plan, what would she do?

[00:52:31] She would try and target Charlie.

[00:52:34] So it now comes down to, again, Kenzie is in the middle.

[00:52:38] Like Kenzie, Liz,

[00:52:42] Kenzie has been on lock

[00:52:44] and Kenzie and Liz are working together.

[00:52:46] So they would then get to choose.

[00:52:49] Let's say that if they did vote,

[00:52:51] it might be a fire making.

[00:52:52] They may be making a decision based on fire making skills,

[00:52:57] you know?

[00:52:58] Because they could potentially actually vote off Charlie.

[00:53:00] Kenzie can still-

[00:53:01] I don't think they would vote out Charlie.

[00:53:02] But I think Maria, I think Maria's voting for Charlie.

[00:53:05] I think Charlie and Ben are voting for Maria.

[00:53:07] And then yeah, Kenzie and Liz will decide.

[00:53:09] But they're voting out Maria.

[00:53:09] Like there's no, like they wanted to do it now.

[00:53:11] They would have done it last week.

[00:53:13] I think definitely if she didn't win.

[00:53:15] Like for me, they technically swing votes,

[00:53:16] but for me, there's no swinging.

[00:53:17] Like there, Maria's gone if she doesn't win.

[00:53:21] Yeah, most likely.

[00:53:23] But it's still, I think Maria has a blind spot,

[00:53:27] but I still think that it's possible she could,

[00:53:32] it's still possible that Charlie could go

[00:53:34] if Maria doesn't win.

[00:53:35] It's still possible because-

[00:53:36] I don't think so.

[00:53:37] You think so?

[00:53:38] I don't think so.

[00:53:39] I think the way-

[00:53:40] I think the edit is showing us that like Charlie,

[00:53:42] like this is, she has to go.

[00:53:44] But I just wonder like if,

[00:53:48] yeah, fire making skills is,

[00:53:50] that's why this final four firemaking does my head in.

[00:53:53] Cause you gotta like,

[00:53:55] cause you know what's coming, right?

[00:53:56] Like you know that it's coming.

[00:53:58] So you have to have some sense of like who,

[00:54:01] who is going to lose at firemaking.

[00:54:03] Now you're probably right.

[00:54:04] Maria's probably-

[00:54:05] Well the reason I think that,

[00:54:07] I mean, yeah, like they choose Q over Charlie.

[00:54:10] So how much more will they choose

[00:54:11] to take up Maria over Charlie?

[00:54:12] Considering like, I don't think Q over Charlie

[00:54:14] was even the right move,

[00:54:15] marginally again for Kenzie.

[00:54:16] And I think definitely not for like,

[00:54:18] Ben wasn't even on the plan,

[00:54:19] but like Ben and Liz.

[00:54:20] Whereas like Maria actually is the right move

[00:54:22] and they've wanted it.

[00:54:23] So the fact that Charlie would be kept over Q

[00:54:26] to me is like,

[00:54:27] he's definitely going to be kept over Maria.

[00:54:28] And this is why I actually think like,

[00:54:30] it seems stupid to tell Maria about Q going

[00:54:34] because like, is this the first thing

[00:54:37] I've disagreed with Charlie about?

[00:54:38] Because like obviously as an idol

[00:54:40] and it could have like wrecked the whole plan.

[00:54:42] And I do think like Charlie here is saved

[00:54:45] by something he's unaware of.

[00:54:47] Like he's-

[00:54:48] Absolutely.

[00:54:49] Maria thinks, like Maria thinks Charlie

[00:54:51] is getting blindsided.

[00:54:53] And Charlie doesn't know that Maria thinks

[00:54:54] like his biggest blind spot in the game

[00:54:56] is the fact that Maria is coming for him

[00:54:59] as well intimated as he's been.

[00:55:00] That is probably the biggest gap in his game so far.

[00:55:04] Which should have sent him home.

[00:55:06] It should have sent him home

[00:55:07] because Maria should have told Q to play the idol

[00:55:10] regardless.

[00:55:12] And then it's guaranteed.

[00:55:14] And then Maria's,

[00:55:15] then she knows that Q doesn't have an idol at final five.

[00:55:19] But there is also credit to,

[00:55:22] if he loops,

[00:55:23] like and he articulates this because again,

[00:55:25] it's very intentional from Charlie at all times.

[00:55:27] But if he doesn't loop her in

[00:55:30] and then Maria wins immunity,

[00:55:31] which as we've said is a very good bet,

[00:55:33] then it goes,

[00:55:34] and in a world where,

[00:55:35] again, he doesn't know this,

[00:55:36] but in a world where Maria isn't targeting him,

[00:55:38] now he hasn't pissed her off

[00:55:40] and Ben, I think is with Charlie.

[00:55:41] Then Maria is with Charlie

[00:55:43] and the three of them will win the vote

[00:55:45] against like a Kenzie or a Liz

[00:55:47] versus if he's left Maria out of the vote,

[00:55:50] then she will come for Charlie.

[00:55:51] Now he's like initiated that.

[00:55:53] He doesn't know it's already been initiated.

[00:55:55] And then she'll go with,

[00:55:56] he says this with Kenzie and Liz against him.

[00:55:58] So I think that there's like actual credit to it,

[00:56:00] but it is,

[00:56:01] like now this is based on a misread of Maria

[00:56:04] and that part is actually like really unfortunate.

[00:56:06] So that part is bad.

[00:56:08] But yeah, in terms of like Maria,

[00:56:10] not telling Q to play the idol.

[00:56:11] I mean, Q said he indexes

[00:56:12] that he would have been coming for Maria,

[00:56:17] but like not horrible to like

[00:56:19] want your allies to have an idol at five

[00:56:24] and not being just like out

[00:56:26] in the world where it could be re-hidden.

[00:56:28] It could be re-hidden.

[00:56:30] And then,

[00:56:31] I mean, look, it's based on the mystery.

[00:56:33] Like they're completely untethered from the group.

[00:56:35] They don't know how much the target's been on them.

[00:56:37] So that's the issue of why they get blindsided.

[00:56:39] But like to defend Q a little bit,

[00:56:42] even though he gets voted out with the idol

[00:56:43] and only has one more time to play it,

[00:56:45] he is relying on Kenzie and Liz who do hate him.

[00:56:49] But as Steven has said,

[00:56:50] like that's been used so many times before

[00:56:52] and was about to be used for them

[00:56:54] to still take out Maria over him.

[00:56:56] So like, it's not like a huge defense,

[00:56:59] but I do get their logic.

[00:57:00] And I am saying Charlie is a better vote than Q

[00:57:04] for everyone on a sliding scale,

[00:57:06] for Liz certainly, for Kenzie a little bit.

[00:57:09] And the emotions haven't mattered so much before.

[00:57:12] So I get it, but I also like, I think it was greedy,

[00:57:15] but like I do get the logic.

[00:57:18] I understand the logic.

[00:57:19] I just feel like here you're 20, what, how many days?

[00:57:23] 20, slow.

[00:57:24] 23, 20, 22.

[00:57:27] Yeah, no, sorry.

[00:57:28] I think 20, well, he had,

[00:57:29] well, Charlie had the 22 on his hand,

[00:57:30] Taylor Swift reference at the rewards.

[00:57:32] Must be 23 days.

[00:57:33] That's what that was.

[00:57:34] Okay, yeah.

[00:57:35] So like they're 22 days in there.

[00:57:39] Q's lost a lot of weight.

[00:57:40] He's really lost a lot of weight.

[00:57:43] So I think-

[00:57:44] Even with 23 pizza slices?

[00:57:45] I know, but he's still,

[00:57:47] it's probably starting to kick in.

[00:57:50] He's trying to do these mental gymnastic sums in his head,

[00:57:57] but having the idol is such a,

[00:57:59] it's such a blunt instrument.

[00:58:03] You play it, you're safe, you know?

[00:58:05] And you're not, yeah, I get it that like,

[00:58:09] from his perspective, everyone should vote for Charlie.

[00:58:11] That makes sense.

[00:58:13] But given the personalities in this group,

[00:58:20] really Charlie, I think, and Maria are the only,

[00:58:24] like they are the most,

[00:58:26] I don't like the term game body,

[00:58:27] but they are like kind of like pretty

[00:58:30] quote unquote rational.

[00:58:31] Whereas everyone else is kind of like,

[00:58:33] you know, they'll do things,

[00:58:35] you know, Ben voted for Kenzie, like whatever.

[00:58:38] You know, like things.

[00:58:40] Like that is evidence in itself

[00:58:43] that like let's say that Ben accidentally voted for Kenzie.

[00:58:46] Q should be sitting back going like,

[00:58:48] stranger things have happened.

[00:58:50] Maybe even-

[00:58:50] That's true.

[00:58:51] I wouldn't, like it just,

[00:58:54] I know that he was probably setting it,

[00:58:56] like he was probably seeing the end.

[00:58:58] He's probably seeing the big glowing,

[00:59:00] like final tribal and he was like,

[00:59:02] oh I can taste it.

[00:59:03] It's right there.

[00:59:04] I'm like, I'm in the, you know,

[00:59:06] it's like the Wizard of Oz.

[00:59:07] Like I can see the path,

[00:59:08] it's right there in front of me.

[00:59:10] And he kind of maybe got a bit distracted by that.

[00:59:12] But I just feel like Q alone should have played it,

[00:59:16] I think, and guaranteed himself.

[00:59:21] Maria, I think definitely should have told him,

[00:59:23] guarantee, just guarantee it.

[00:59:26] Cause then from Q's perspective,

[00:59:28] it gets through Charlie.

[00:59:30] Everyone is still now gonna be,

[00:59:32] I think then everyone is definitely targeting Maria.

[00:59:35] Oh definitely.

[00:59:36] And then allegedly Q, you know,

[00:59:39] he's a better fire maker than Caroline.

[00:59:41] So, you know.

[00:59:44] Oh 100.

[00:59:45] He set himself up.

[00:59:47] But he doesn't know that.

[00:59:48] Like he doesn't know that he and Maria above him even

[00:59:52] have been the targets.

[00:59:54] In our world of the truth,

[00:59:56] it actually is upsetting for me,

[00:59:58] who had Q on my draft and is now out of the draft.

[01:00:01] But like Q actually was so close to winning the game.

[01:00:03] If he plays it now,

[01:00:04] yet he doesn't know this.

[01:00:05] And that lack of knowledge speaks to why he doesn't play it.

[01:00:07] Yet he has been divorced from like everything happening

[01:00:10] strategically in the game.

[01:00:11] And now Maria is too.

[01:00:12] They just are operating with no information.

[01:00:14] Easy to get blindsided like that.

[01:00:15] But in reality, we know he plays it tonight.

[01:00:18] Five's actually not an option.

[01:00:20] He's only being targeted tonight.

[01:00:22] Five should not be a concern.

[01:00:23] He's being targeted because Maria won.

[01:00:25] Only because Maria won.

[01:00:26] So he doesn't even need to win immunity next time.

[01:00:28] He just needs Maria to lose immunity.

[01:00:30] Then he's through to four,

[01:00:31] apparently graded fire.

[01:00:32] And then he goes to the final three.

[01:00:35] Having lost an idol he didn't even know would work.

[01:00:37] But what would have happened

[01:00:39] if he would have been the only correct idol play.

[01:00:41] I think that Q could get people laughing on the jury.

[01:00:43] I think he actually had a real shot.

[01:00:45] Venus said that she felt like Q had a shot

[01:00:48] and that's why they were targeting him last week.

[01:00:49] And if you look at the jury,

[01:00:51] there are people in this game who hate him.

[01:00:52] Like Liz, Venus, Ben and Kenzie.

[01:00:55] But Venus is on the jury.

[01:00:56] But two of those four should probably be sitting next to him.

[01:00:59] The rest of the jurors, like Tiffany he's made up with.

[01:01:02] Maria will obviously vote for him.

[01:01:04] I think Kevin, I think would vote for him.

[01:01:06] Soda's pretty neutral.

[01:01:07] Charlie's fairly neutral.

[01:01:08] Q was really gonna win the game,

[01:01:10] but he didn't know that.

[01:01:11] He didn't even know that pathway for him.

[01:01:13] And I think being so divorced from the pathway

[01:01:15] is why he got blindsided.

[01:01:16] But like the reality was actually very much there.

[01:01:19] So upsettingly.

[01:01:22] Now that you said that, gosh,

[01:01:25] like Q, Liz, Ben, Q wins.

[01:01:33] Like that's what he plays.

[01:01:34] Like that's it, he wins.

[01:01:36] Oh goodness.

[01:01:37] Take out Kenzie at four.

[01:01:38] The thing is as well,

[01:01:41] like even I think if he's not in on the Maria vote,

[01:01:43] like he'd have this idle play,

[01:01:45] which again would have been kind of unintentional.

[01:01:46] Would have been like just as a safety,

[01:01:48] but he doesn't think he's going home.

[01:01:50] Clearly he doesn't play it.

[01:01:51] And then Maria, if Maria is even targeted with Adam,

[01:01:54] I don't think it really matters.

[01:01:57] It's incredibly painful how close he was.

[01:02:02] Here's my one question is if you need it for five,

[01:02:07] like if you have to save it now so you can keep it for five,

[01:02:12] why is five so much more concerning than tonight?

[01:02:14] Like if five is gonna be so concerning,

[01:02:16] tonight should be kind of concerning enough to play it.

[01:02:20] Or you play it tonight because concerns abound.

[01:02:21] And then at five, other options,

[01:02:23] like you might win the challenge.

[01:02:25] He doesn't know this, but Maria is the shield,

[01:02:26] but pusher as a shield.

[01:02:28] Other options at five, like if he needs it at five,

[01:02:30] if that's where he's like,

[01:02:31] he's taking the risk to get it through to five,

[01:02:33] then clearly there can be concerns.

[01:02:40] The meta conversation point here is the fact that

[01:02:46] in season 46, every single person has gone home

[01:02:51] with an idol.

[01:02:52] And then in Titans V Rebels,

[01:02:54] every single person played their idol

[01:02:57] when they didn't cop a real,

[01:02:59] I did cop like there were a few votes.

[01:03:01] Yeah, you, Ferris, you weren't going home.

[01:03:04] You weren't actually going home.

[01:03:05] But I think that this is a really big, interesting point.

[01:03:10] And I think that to the credit of the Australian

[01:03:16] sort of approach has been,

[01:03:19] you don't really know what's going on.

[01:03:21] And so it's, yeah, it's a pain.

[01:03:25] They always come back, just play it.

[01:03:29] Just play it, use it as a tool, as a weapon if you want to,

[01:03:33] because you really,

[01:03:34] one, you don't really know what's going on.

[01:03:36] Ben votes for Kenzie, like you've got Kelly's,

[01:03:41] like there are people out there who are chaos characters.

[01:03:44] But then also things change, things change.

[01:03:48] Even at Final Five, like someone,

[01:03:50] like you don't really,

[01:03:51] you can always kind of like shift things around.

[01:03:54] So I just think that this season of 46,

[01:03:58] people were thinking that they had a fine tune

[01:04:02] understanding of the game.

[01:04:03] So they were more risk less,

[01:04:06] what's the opposite of risk averse?

[01:04:08] Risk taking, they were risk taking with their idols,

[01:04:10] hoping like Hunter, oh my gosh, Hunter,

[01:04:13] like, oh my goodness, he should have played it.

[01:04:16] And then I would much rather just be a risk averse player

[01:04:19] with an idol or try and use it strategically.

[01:04:22] And Hunter, you know, like,

[01:04:24] I don't wanna, I know I'm jumping around a bit here,

[01:04:25] but like, it's just such a fascinating thing

[01:04:27] that they've all opted for the highly fine tuned calculus,

[01:04:35] which, whereas I just think that you should treat

[01:04:37] the immunity idols as a blunt instrument,

[01:04:39] get yourself, put yourself ahead.

[01:04:41] As you say, if you're at risk at five,

[01:04:44] you're at risk of six.

[01:04:46] How many times have people been voted off?

[01:04:48] Just one, like they thought

[01:04:49] they were gonna get through one more

[01:04:51] and then they didn't.

[01:04:52] So it'll be fascinating to see in the future

[01:04:55] of US Survivor what people do,

[01:04:58] because like who, if you go home with an idol next season,

[01:05:03] oh my goodness, like, yeah,

[01:05:06] I think that this is gonna cause a big correction

[01:05:08] in the way that idols are used, yeah.

[01:05:12] It's such an interesting comparison

[01:05:13] because like, yeah, you and Ferris,

[01:05:15] I didn't criticize either of those idol plays,

[01:05:16] even though they were technically incorrect.

[01:05:19] They didn't save you,

[01:05:20] but they were based on information that was super fair.

[01:05:22] Like Ferris, Rihanna had said,

[01:05:24] had lied to him randomly

[01:05:25] about whether he was even a target.

[01:05:27] He was like, I don't like that, which was so fair.

[01:05:29] You had just been left out of the vote, super fair.

[01:05:31] I would play it in that situation.

[01:05:33] So there's been enough information

[01:05:34] for all of these players to be like,

[01:05:36] kind of concerned, I might be wrong,

[01:05:38] but I'd hate to be wrong the other way.

[01:05:40] Like, you know, that's much more damning

[01:05:42] than the opposite kind of wrongness.

[01:05:45] So yeah, for Hunter, enough information.

[01:05:47] You're getting votes.

[01:05:48] Hugh knew he was getting votes.

[01:05:49] You're the other name.

[01:05:50] So now you're relying,

[01:05:51] like it's not like you're completely out of the conversation.

[01:05:52] You're relying on swing votes to make that decision

[01:05:55] and you don't really have control over that.

[01:05:56] So yeah, I think definitely,

[01:05:59] Vena's probably the least,

[01:06:01] cause I don't even think she knew,

[01:06:02] like she didn't even know she was a name,

[01:06:04] but her information could have been like,

[01:06:06] that conversation with Charlie went so poorly.

[01:06:08] Maybe that was.

[01:06:10] That was, I love, I actually really enjoyed Vena's.

[01:06:14] I think Vena's is perfect casting.

[01:06:16] I love players like Vena's.

[01:06:18] I think that just she is no,

[01:06:23] she just tanked, absolutely tanked

[01:06:25] in the soft skill department,

[01:06:27] but as she came in hard,

[01:06:29] as she came in hard with her strategy.

[01:06:30] Vena's isn't a soft skill kind of player.

[01:06:33] Vena's is a hard skill kind of player.

[01:06:35] But she's got a bubbly personality.

[01:06:37] Like she's got a bubbly personality

[01:06:39] at the same time she came in heavy.

[01:06:40] I think people have said this,

[01:06:41] Vena's was the game bot.

[01:06:43] She's not in a game bot package,

[01:06:44] but she was, she was botting.

[01:06:47] I know, but I just love how she is her true self.

[01:06:51] And I think that I love,

[01:06:54] I like seeing that.

[01:06:55] And so that conversation that she had with Charlie

[01:07:01] was just peak Vena's.

[01:07:02] Like she couldn't, she couldn't help it.

[01:07:06] She was like, I've got,

[01:07:07] like I have, she thinks she has way more power

[01:07:11] than she actually has.

[01:07:11] She's talking to the like mastermind of the tribe.

[01:07:14] And then she's like, I'm going to keep you safe.

[01:07:16] Don't you worry kind of thing.

[01:07:18] I've got something up my sleeve.

[01:07:20] And I was just like, oh,

[01:07:22] like the poetry of this,

[01:07:23] of her getting voted off with this idol

[01:07:25] after she's just told Charlie this.

[01:07:28] It was just like, yeah, it was,

[01:07:30] it was sad to see her go,

[01:07:32] but yeah, just the way that she,

[01:07:34] that conversation just was,

[01:07:36] just epitomized everything about Venus.

[01:07:38] And so even though it's like so hard to watch,

[01:07:41] it was amazing to watch.

[01:07:42] So yeah, it hurts so good.

[01:07:44] I think like my theme for this season is it hurts so good

[01:07:47] because you're like, oh, Hunter,

[01:07:49] like I love you so much, but why are you doing this?

[01:07:52] Oh Venus, why are you doing this?

[01:07:54] I love you so much.

[01:07:55] Tevin, why are you doing this?

[01:07:56] I love you so much.

[01:07:57] Tiffany, Tiffany!

[01:07:58] Like Tiffany could have been,

[01:07:59] yeah, like you know that they,

[01:08:01] you have a public idol which makes you a threat.

[01:08:03] That's actually why you wanted to burn it.

[01:08:05] So you know, that's information that you,

[01:08:07] like with, well, I actually don't,

[01:08:08] like I'm joking when I say Venus is a game bot.

[01:08:10] There was way too much fighting with people.

[01:08:12] And again, you know,

[01:08:13] she would say that that was directed at her,

[01:08:15] but like if you're openly yelling at tribal council,

[01:08:19] I think she's one of the many reasons

[01:08:20] that season has been not game body.

[01:08:22] And like, you know, like unhinged,

[01:08:25] like Charlie is a game bot in that,

[01:08:28] as you said, he's so rational.

[01:08:30] Like, as you said, he's a professional,

[01:08:32] like he's there to get it done.

[01:08:33] Like Venus was all game, again, not the small talk,

[01:08:36] but like, let's get to the,

[01:08:37] let's get to the good stuff, you know,

[01:08:38] or steak no sizzle, or no, that's not right either.

[01:08:41] A lot of sizzle, but like get to the meat of it basically,

[01:08:46] as they hope to with the Applebee's burgers.

[01:08:47] But it was still in a way that was like,

[01:08:51] I mean, certainly dramatically entertaining.

[01:08:54] So as a character, not as a game bot,

[01:08:55] but an intention, she always wanted to be on game

[01:08:57] and the game was never given to her.

[01:08:59] Like she could not play it

[01:08:59] because she didn't have the rest of it.

[01:09:02] And she was never afforded,

[01:09:03] or maybe it's in different ways,

[01:09:05] a discredit to her that she never had again,

[01:09:08] like the social capital to do what she wanted to do,

[01:09:10] which was like make the move.

[01:09:11] So yeah, not a game bot.

[01:09:13] I would have loved to have seen Venus on Titans V Rebels.

[01:09:16] I think that Venus would have fit in with us Aussies

[01:09:20] way more, I don't know why.

[01:09:21] Maybe she will one day.

[01:09:23] Maybe she will, who knows?

[01:09:24] I think that like out of this cast,

[01:09:27] she was just so ostracized

[01:09:29] and like sometimes it just happens, right?

[01:09:31] It just happens.

[01:09:32] And Tevin as a powerful player,

[01:09:34] sort of maybe sort of gave that a little bit of a nudge.

[01:09:37] But I think like,

[01:09:40] I think she would have fit in with the motley crew

[01:09:43] that was Titans V Rebels.

[01:09:44] Do you know why?

[01:09:45] Because in Titans Vs Rebels,

[01:09:48] there was a lot of fighting and then making up.

[01:09:50] And this season, there's been no making up.

[01:09:53] There's just been, you know,

[01:09:55] like Venus and Tevin had a secret scene.

[01:09:59] What's so interesting by the way,

[01:10:00] as I was saying, like the things chosen

[01:10:01] for the secret scenes where like Venus and Tevin

[01:10:03] had a whole thing that wasn't included.

[01:10:06] And in hindsight it's like, yeah,

[01:10:07] that was never gonna play out to being so important.

[01:10:10] Whereas like what we got was like Ben and Charlie

[01:10:12] and that's like played out to like the finale,

[01:10:14] which I think is really interesting.

[01:10:15] But you know, we're gonna work together.

[01:10:18] Like they made up, but then they didn't.

[01:10:20] And like Liz and Q, the secret scene too, didn't work out.

[01:10:22] Whereas like in Titans Vs Rebels,

[01:10:24] like people actually did that.

[01:10:26] So that has not been this season.

[01:10:28] This has been, you know, we'll say we'll do it,

[01:10:30] but actually I still hate you and I'm voting you out.

[01:10:32] And I'm gonna continue to beef on you on Twitter.

[01:10:34] Yeah, and then it continues going back.

[01:10:37] Exactly, it's completely different.

[01:10:39] So 100%

[01:10:40] What a contrast.

[01:10:41] I know I'm like taking things in tangents, Shannon,

[01:10:44] but I'm having fun.

[01:10:46] 40, season 45.

[01:10:48] It's like they are like the most cool,

[01:10:51] but Kendra, oh, Kendra, I love like,

[01:10:54] these people are just like,

[01:10:55] like arms around each other.

[01:10:58] It's like they're singing karaoke,

[01:11:00] like every night they're like hanging out.

[01:11:03] Cut to 46, like rip track.

[01:11:06] Like, oh my God.

[01:11:08] Then Q got voted off.

[01:11:09] Like how many people were going at him?

[01:11:11] And like, oh my goodness.

[01:11:13] Like it's a, have you ever seen like a social airing of-

[01:11:21] Kageyan.

[01:11:22] I was old enough to remember Kageyan, Kath and Tony.

[01:11:26] Oh yes, oh yes.

[01:11:28] Yeah.

[01:11:29] Okay.

[01:11:30] I think that's probably my biggest.

[01:11:31] It's standout, right?

[01:11:32] It's a standout.

[01:11:33] But this season probably more than ever,

[01:11:36] like it's genuinely been,

[01:11:38] what I've really liked about this,

[01:11:40] like I don't really want to get too much

[01:11:41] into the Twitter drama,

[01:11:42] but what I find really funny is like often

[01:11:44] what will happen is like,

[01:11:45] they'll defend each other sometimes.

[01:11:47] Like, it's kind of like the thing,

[01:11:48] it's like, hey, no one's mean to them but me,

[01:11:50] you know, like, but then they're also like,

[01:11:52] hey, don't be mean to the cast.

[01:11:53] I know I was mean to them.

[01:11:55] We've been like, not you.

[01:11:58] That's fair.

[01:11:59] I think that's fair.

[01:12:00] I think that's fair.

[01:12:01] Like you weren't there.

[01:12:02] You're like, don't pile on,

[01:12:03] like don't be a cyber bully except I was.

[01:12:06] But I was.

[01:12:07] I am allowed to because they yelled at me

[01:12:10] and called me a dog or something.

[01:12:12] It's-

[01:12:13] Should we get to some of the other run homes?

[01:12:15] Yeah, should we talk about the actual season?

[01:12:17] Yes, let's talk about the actual players in the game.

[01:12:19] Let's talk about Liz maybe,

[01:12:21] because I felt like this,

[01:12:22] like, I mean, we kind of spoke about Kenzie

[01:12:25] because it's a similar decision.

[01:12:27] Something I thought was interesting as well

[01:12:28] is that Kenzie seemed to believe

[01:12:29] that Q and Maria were voting for Charlie,

[01:12:32] but like, they actually would have no reason

[01:12:34] to believe that, right?

[01:12:34] Like there is meant to be a four person alliance

[01:12:36] of Charlie, Maria, Ben and Q

[01:12:39] who would be voting for someone like Liz.

[01:12:40] So they have to give a name.

[01:12:42] I guess that decoy would probably be Q,

[01:12:44] but in kind of the conversation around them

[01:12:46] not going back to Charlie,

[01:12:48] which I think they should do anyway,

[01:12:50] but like, do they go back and say they're voting for you

[01:12:52] or do they go back and say they're using you

[01:12:55] as like an unvolunteered decoy?

[01:12:56] I'm not super sure, but like, again,

[01:12:57] like Maria should be giving a fake name really

[01:13:01] to Kenzie and Liz if that makes sense,

[01:13:02] but she actually is voting out Charlie.

[01:13:04] So I don't know how much they knew

[01:13:06] that Q and Maria would vote with them

[01:13:08] because they haven't been working with them,

[01:13:09] but for Liz in that situation,

[01:13:12] I really feel like she actually needs Q.

[01:13:13] Like as much as I say, I think Q can win at the end

[01:13:15] and I do think Q beats her.

[01:13:17] I still think I'd rather try exploit the Q stuff

[01:13:19] than sit next to Charlie if I'm Liz.

[01:13:20] Like Kenzie, I see the pathway next to Charlie

[01:13:22] in a way that I don't for Liz.

[01:13:23] And I'm actually really harsh

[01:13:24] on her voting out Venus and Q

[01:13:26] because I think that was the only,

[01:13:27] and maybe like she has been,

[01:13:28] but like you want a couple of those people in with you

[01:13:31] and she just voted out two of them.

[01:13:32] So I think she was drawing dead anyway.

[01:13:35] So it's hard to now like analyze the decisions,

[01:13:38] but I still think even within that,

[01:13:39] it's like she now has 0% where she might've had like 0.01%.

[01:13:42] So it's like still the wrong decision

[01:13:44] even in the bad situation that she's in for me.

[01:13:48] Yeah, Liz is for me,

[01:13:51] and again, like having played,

[01:13:53] I don't want people to take this personally,

[01:13:55] but I just don't think she's very good at playing Zavala.

[01:13:57] I just don't think she is.

[01:13:59] Like...

[01:14:00] They have made on Twitter,

[01:14:02] and then they'll be like,

[01:14:03] we're talking about Liz, but I'm gonna be honest.

[01:14:06] But like it's like how many times she's been like,

[01:14:09] I remember when the Soda vote happened,

[01:14:11] she's like, I want, like I've been saying

[01:14:13] I want Soda out forever.

[01:14:14] And then like when it happened

[01:14:16] and she was upset that someone else took the credit for it.

[01:14:19] And then now she's just like,

[01:14:22] there was some way she said like how upset she was

[01:14:25] that she wasn't, she was like reluctantly being like,

[01:14:28] we should probably vote Marie off

[01:14:29] even though I want Q to go home.

[01:14:31] You know, like it's like her anchor,

[01:14:33] she's got a big anchor.

[01:14:35] And every time they go to travel council,

[01:14:37] she gets the anchor up and then like, okay,

[01:14:40] who are we gonna vote at now?

[01:14:41] And she's like, drops the anchor, bang on Q.

[01:14:44] She just is like an obsession with Q

[01:14:47] in a way that I feel like she just,

[01:14:50] for some reason is not seeing her future in the game

[01:14:55] and how she can win the game.

[01:14:56] And she's just focused on the irritation that Q gives her.

[01:15:01] And that's fine.

[01:15:02] Like I believe that Liz is extremely irritated by Q,

[01:15:06] but I just don't know why she's doing this

[01:15:10] in a game of survivor.

[01:15:11] Like it's just gone to another level

[01:15:13] and maybe she really just loves that burger

[01:15:16] at Applebee's that much, I don't know.

[01:15:18] Like it seems like it's just gone to another level

[01:15:23] where I just don't know what she is thinking

[01:15:28] in terms of how she got to win the game,

[01:15:30] which is why I say that I just don't,

[01:15:32] I think like she's sort of like,

[01:15:33] maybe the food situation is really getting to her

[01:15:36] and she's just kind of like lost her North star,

[01:15:41] which should be winning survivor, not voting off Q.

[01:15:44] So yeah, that's kinda how I feel about Liz.

[01:15:48] And I thought that's the question I would ask

[01:15:49] and we're not getting the content as much from her and Ben,

[01:15:51] but it's the question I asked both,

[01:15:52] which is what is the pathway?

[01:15:55] What is the winning combination

[01:15:56] of people you're sitting next to that you are now enacting?

[01:15:59] Because looking at it from Ben's perspective,

[01:16:01] Ben, I guess next to Kenzie and Charlie,

[01:16:04] or sorry, not Charlie.

[01:16:05] I think Ben would lose to Charlie,

[01:16:06] but like Kenzie and Liz, maybe there's a little bit there

[01:16:11] that like if he and Kenzie are just like as much social,

[01:16:13] none of the three of them have been expertly strategic

[01:16:16] and Ben's just that likable.

[01:16:17] Maybe there's a little bit there more than Liz,

[01:16:19] who I feel like doesn't have as much likability

[01:16:22] for the jury.

[01:16:23] Although I do think like maybe like Hunter and Tevin

[01:16:26] as jury votes.

[01:16:26] But I think like she's very,

[01:16:29] she was like the reason she wanted to do the Tevin vote

[01:16:31] was she thinks went poorly,

[01:16:32] hence like the Applebee's meltdown was part of that.

[01:16:35] Was like, cause she was aware of like

[01:16:36] her own perception was negative.

[01:16:37] So like, what are you doing to correct that?

[01:16:38] Who are you sitting next to,

[01:16:39] to like make this the best situation for you?

[01:16:41] Whereas like Ben, maybe he's just that likable

[01:16:43] and he can sit next to Kenzie and Liz

[01:16:44] and I hope that that's enough.

[01:16:46] But even in that, I think that's a very small part.

[01:16:48] So I look at Ben and I think like last week

[01:16:51] I did the post game show.

[01:16:52] So it was like, you know,

[01:16:53] I started thinking more like even more about

[01:16:55] the episode after cause I've like,

[01:16:56] it's a short turnaround.

[01:16:58] And I was like, the biggest things for me was I was like,

[01:17:00] wow, I should have been even like higher on Charlie,

[01:17:02] which I have been, I think, you know,

[01:17:05] but he's already won the chizzy,

[01:17:06] but like, wow, like he's really been enabled.

[01:17:08] And then I should have been maybe a little bit lower

[01:17:10] on like Ben, which I said, but like for enabling him,

[01:17:12] like Ben's like someone still wants to get

[01:17:14] all the chizzy points.

[01:17:15] Like I gave Ben two chizzy points

[01:17:16] and I might've like swapped him with Kenzie

[01:17:18] because last week was interesting.

[01:17:19] Whereas I feel like Ben made the choice to take out Venus,

[01:17:22] who I feel like he really needed in the game.

[01:17:26] Whereas Kenzie had less agency.

[01:17:28] She wanted to keep Venus, but she didn't have the numbers.

[01:17:30] So who do you criticize more?

[01:17:33] Someone who doesn't have as much power,

[01:17:34] which I did credit Ben for being in that kind of swing spot

[01:17:36] with Charlie and having, you know, being more powerful.

[01:17:39] Or do you criticize someone who does have that power

[01:17:41] and wields it incorrectly to make worse choices?

[01:17:44] Like if you're taking out Q last week,

[01:17:45] then you don't have to waste around on Q here.

[01:17:47] Maybe you take out Charlie here or, you know,

[01:17:50] and then like in a perfect world again,

[01:17:51] you're with Kenzie and Liz working through to a final three

[01:17:54] or even with Venus, they're working through to a final four

[01:17:56] with Kenzie, Liz and Venus, where Ben can maybe win that.

[01:18:00] I mean, if he's sitting next to Liz and Venus,

[01:18:02] I think that that's a very good situation for him.

[01:18:04] So he's made decisions that I think

[01:18:05] have really narrowed his pathway

[01:18:07] with the power to actually make those decisions

[01:18:09] in a way someone like Kenzie has kind of lost

[01:18:11] and had power at different times

[01:18:13] and kind of just had the numbers have to, you know,

[01:18:16] shake out in different ways.

[01:18:17] And then she makes the decision here.

[01:18:19] But I'm now like critical on that

[01:18:21] because I think it's not a great end game path.

[01:18:23] And like, what is the winning situation?

[01:18:25] That's what I'd want to ask Ben and Liz for both of them.

[01:18:28] I think that Ben is also struggling with the elements.

[01:18:34] I think that, and additionally, I think that he is,

[01:18:38] you know, there's one thing when you're a fan of the show,

[01:18:42] the game and you go in there and you're like,

[01:18:44] I'm going to do all these great things.

[01:18:45] But being cutthroat is hard.

[01:18:47] Like it's actually hard.

[01:18:48] And I just don't think that Ben is a cutthroat person.

[01:18:50] Yeah, he said that.

[01:18:51] There was another great secret scene where he said,

[01:18:53] where he was like, I can't.

[01:18:55] Yeah, I just don't think he has it in him.

[01:18:57] And I think he's now kind of, I don't know,

[01:19:00] do you get money for the second?

[01:19:02] I don't know.

[01:19:03] Yeah, a hundred grand.

[01:19:04] Yeah, okay.

[01:19:04] So in Australia you don't.

[01:19:05] And so I think that maybe he's kind of like,

[01:19:09] oh well, like I'll get second.

[01:19:11] And you know, and he's clearly like, he's not sleeping.

[01:19:15] He's having the panic attacks are increasing.

[01:19:20] You know, he's probably really struggling.

[01:19:23] And yeah, and then like,

[01:19:25] I think he's getting a really warm blanket in Charlie.

[01:19:27] He's getting a really warm blanket in Kenzie

[01:19:29] in terms of emotional support.

[01:19:31] And I just think he's in a position right now

[01:19:33] where he's sort of like,

[01:19:36] I think he's resigned to his fate a little bit.

[01:19:40] And that's probably sad.

[01:19:42] He's probably sad about that,

[01:19:43] but he seems like a lovely person.

[01:19:46] He got Metallica to tweet back at him,

[01:19:49] which is, you know, that alone is probably like his,

[01:19:53] like it's ticked off the boxes that he was seeking.

[01:19:56] So yeah, that's it.

[01:19:59] Yeah, I think that's how I feel about Ben.

[01:20:04] I really liked the song Pinball Wizard

[01:20:06] and as he was doing the challenge,

[01:20:08] he was like, can you sing the Pinball Wizard song?

[01:20:10] Which is probably my favourite shout out

[01:20:12] that he's made in terms of the music song so far,

[01:20:15] which was really fun.

[01:20:17] But yeah, I think he's gonna struggle.

[01:20:18] But ultimately at the end of the day, Ben will walk away,

[01:20:22] I think as a person feeling good about humanity, I think.

[01:20:29] I think he's gonna come away with a friend in Kenzie,

[01:20:32] a friend in Charlie, and I think he will grow as a person.

[01:20:35] And you know what?

[01:20:37] That's, it's not a million dollars,

[01:20:39] but I don't think that's without value.

[01:20:41] So yeah.

[01:20:42] Yeah, I mean, a million's really nice.

[01:20:44] But like- A million would be great.

[01:20:46] Maybe the million and the friends, sure.

[01:20:49] Like for me, I think like my issue,

[01:20:50] like as a commentator is like, I try and ascribe,

[01:20:53] I shouldn't do,

[01:20:54] like sometimes I'm self deprecating on the podcast

[01:20:56] and then people like reply to me and they're like, yes.

[01:20:59] And I'm like, no, this is the same thing with the cast.

[01:21:02] And it's like, no, I can say that about me.

[01:21:03] You don't get to say it.

[01:21:04] But anyway, but like I do,

[01:21:06] and I try like ascribe kind of my thinking onto Ben.

[01:21:09] Like for me, I'm like, if I were Ben,

[01:21:11] like Ben should be taking the shot at Q.

[01:21:12] Ben's not even in on the vote.

[01:21:13] Ben should be like initiating a shot at Q.

[01:21:15] That's the pathway.

[01:21:17] No, sorry, not the shot at Q, the shot at Charlie.

[01:21:19] Yeah.

[01:21:20] Now I'm like thinking about the commenters.

[01:21:21] No, yeah, he should be taking the shot

[01:21:23] at Charlie to keep Q with him, but that's not Ben.

[01:21:27] And like, I think we see that with the wrong vote,

[01:21:31] which I think was like, you know,

[01:21:32] the negative perception of him

[01:21:34] is not even just like a neutral strategic player

[01:21:36] with someone like Kenzie might be seen as

[01:21:37] and then very likable.

[01:21:38] Like that actively negative,

[01:21:40] like strategic perception, I think could be very damning.

[01:21:46] Can I just, this is gonna be really random

[01:21:48] and I'm now gonna explain what the last week

[01:21:51] of being a smoke screen split truther has been like for me.

[01:21:55] Okay, I know that that's a weird sentence,

[01:21:57] but I'm gonna go back to a week ago, Ben voted for Kenzie.

[01:22:00] And I said on the podcast, oh, maybe what happened was

[01:22:03] they like Ben and Charlie in the Alliance,

[01:22:06] which was meant to be like the pretend Alliance

[01:22:08] of Charlie, Ben, Marie and Q, we see Q say,

[01:22:10] I don't wanna be the decoy.

[01:22:12] There has to be a split.

[01:22:13] So what would the split be?

[01:22:14] It would actually from that four be one vote.

[01:22:16] You wouldn't wanna split your four two and two

[01:22:18] in case the other three come over the top.

[01:22:20] So you split one vote on the revote.

[01:22:21] Technically you save Q.

[01:22:23] I thought smoke screen split,

[01:22:24] Ben's quote unquote vote for Kenzie would be one vote.

[01:22:30] And then you go to the one-to-one,

[01:22:31] but then actually they'd vote out Q

[01:22:32] because they want Kenzie in the game much more than Q.

[01:22:35] And they're not really with Q and Maria,

[01:22:36] but they're pretending it.

[01:22:37] And I was like, I called it the smoke screen split.

[01:22:39] I thought it was really cool.

[01:22:40] And I still think it's really, really cool.

[01:22:42] But no, but then, so then something else happened.

[01:22:44] So then Rob kind of like talked to Steven about this

[01:22:47] and didn't like fully explain it.

[01:22:48] So I tweeted out what I was intending

[01:22:50] with the smoke screen split.

[01:22:51] Q responds to me and is like,

[01:22:54] I was meant to vote for Kenzie, but I didn't,

[01:22:56] which is apparently like made the rounds.

[01:22:58] Rob mentioned that on Know It All,

[01:22:59] it's like on Reddit.

[01:23:01] That like randomly-

[01:23:01] Look at you.

[01:23:02] You're like, you're hunting important information.

[01:23:06] Not on purpose.

[01:23:08] I actually don't want the players to do this in the middle.

[01:23:09] Whatever.

[01:23:10] Anyway, like I'd rather just like try

[01:23:13] and analyze what I see, but it's fine.

[01:23:14] So Q says that, I think, oh no, that's sad.

[01:23:16] Because that means there's no smoke screen split.

[01:23:18] That's a true split.

[01:23:19] They were splitting two votes, which I think is dangerous.

[01:23:21] Two, two split of four.

[01:23:23] I mean, clearly they thought they had Kenzie and Liz

[01:23:24] and they did, but like technically not a great split.

[01:23:29] For like, I guess Charlie and Ben.

[01:23:30] I mean, Ben, like I wouldn't have thought

[01:23:32] they wanted Kenzie out.

[01:23:33] So I was confused about that

[01:23:35] from a pure actual group perspective

[01:23:37] and actually from like, from Ben and Charlie.

[01:23:40] And I thought, damn, that's upsetting about the smoke screen.

[01:23:42] But then, but then we find out

[01:23:45] that Ben wasn't meant to vote that way.

[01:23:46] And I thought smoke screen split lives, right?

[01:23:49] Because actually the split vote was Q and not Ben.

[01:23:53] And I'm like, I love it and I'll never give up on it ever.

[01:23:57] And then apparently Q was saying that he and Ben

[01:24:00] were meant to vote for Kenzie.

[01:24:01] And Ben wasn't.

[01:24:02] And I'm like, no, no, okay.

[01:24:04] I will take my smoke screen split.

[01:24:06] And I will, and I just,

[01:24:07] and now I'm not even listening to the discourse

[01:24:09] because I just want to.

[01:24:10] Yeah.

[01:24:11] Anyway, that's been the last week of my life

[01:24:14] as a smoke screen split truther.

[01:24:15] I love that.

[01:24:16] That's so funny.

[01:24:17] I think that, I think that it's,

[01:24:19] there's a overwhelming, there's like a,

[01:24:22] it's not an axiom.

[01:24:23] Maybe it's an axiom.

[01:24:24] I think it's an axiom, not a proposition.

[01:24:26] It's like a formal rule.

[01:24:29] Commentate off the game, off this show.

[01:24:31] And you've got to ignore the chat from the cast

[01:24:34] because I remember like.

[01:24:35] I'm not sure they're in my mentions, Mark.

[01:24:36] Like it was on my tweet that he said it.

[01:24:39] I have to say that.

[01:24:40] No, but it's like.

[01:24:40] Then I had to be like, okay, thank you Q.

[01:24:43] I don't know what to do with this now.

[01:24:45] And then it was actually funny

[01:24:46] because Ben's wrong vote was a sneak thief.

[01:24:50] So I didn't even have to wait for the episode.

[01:24:51] Like it immediately came out and I was like,

[01:24:53] yes, smoke screen split.

[01:24:54] It's actually just been a very long week, Mark.

[01:24:58] I have to say.

[01:24:58] Don't do it to yourself because like,

[01:25:01] you know, like they can,

[01:25:02] people forget what happened when they're out there

[01:25:05] then let alone like what's going on since.

[01:25:07] So yeah, it's hard to,

[01:25:10] it's hard to get to the bottom of this, Shannon.

[01:25:11] There's just like an infinite hole that you'll never,

[01:25:13] you would never be able to, don't do it.

[01:25:15] Don't do it.

[01:25:16] Don't do it to yourself.

[01:25:17] Well, whichever narrative affirms my worldview

[01:25:20] is what I'm choosing.

[01:25:21] So that's that Q was telling the truth about his vote,

[01:25:23] but not about Ben's.

[01:25:24] He kind of half remembers it right.

[01:25:26] And then it was a one vote smoke screen split.

[01:25:29] If that wasn't the case,

[01:25:30] someone else should do a smoke screen split.

[01:25:32] It's still a cool concept.

[01:25:33] I still like it.

[01:25:34] The survivor community is lucky to have you, Shannon.

[01:25:36] You know this happens so often where like,

[01:25:40] like this happened with Chrissy a lot.

[01:25:42] She knows that I would be like,

[01:25:44] oh, maybe she did this, this, this.

[01:25:44] And then when we did the deep dive,

[01:25:46] she was like accidental vote.

[01:25:48] Yeah.

[01:25:49] And I was like, Mary pumped me too.

[01:25:51] I think maybe,

[01:25:52] I think now every time I'm going to give the weird thing

[01:25:54] and then also be like, but maybe accidental vote.

[01:25:56] Maybe someone just stubbed their toe.

[01:25:59] And yeah, I like that.

[01:26:00] Maybe someone thought you spelled Venus with a K.

[01:26:02] Like with the smoke screen split,

[01:26:04] not more plausible than that.

[01:26:08] Oh goodness.

[01:26:09] All right.

[01:26:10] Well, I think so we've got Ben,

[01:26:11] we whipped through Ben and Liz there.

[01:26:13] Yeah. I want to, yeah.

[01:26:15] I'd love to just talk through our predictions

[01:26:17] and then get into the chizzy because, okay.

[01:26:21] So I think on game, we've kind of spoken about it.

[01:26:22] I usually try to give percentages.

[01:26:24] We've spoken about all of the pathways for Charlie.

[01:26:27] Tricky spot, I think Maria wins at five.

[01:26:28] I think he probably goes there.

[01:26:29] I think that's the biggest difficulty if she wins at five.

[01:26:33] Ben sticks with him, but like Maria is coming for him.

[01:26:36] I don't see Kenzie and Liz turning on each other or Ben.

[01:26:39] So I feel like he becomes like the presumptive boot there

[01:26:42] for like anything can happen,

[01:26:43] but I do have confidence in him there.

[01:26:45] And then he could lose to Kenzie at the end.

[01:26:47] But I still, for me on game alone,

[01:26:49] and I'm not talking about edit cause I'm about to,

[01:26:51] I think he like, that's a very commendable pass.

[01:26:53] So I'm giving him 60%.

[01:26:56] Then I'm giving Maria 20%.

[01:26:57] She needs to win one challenge and then get through four.

[01:27:00] And I think it's done.

[01:27:01] That the jury will vote for her over anyone.

[01:27:03] Then I'm giving on pure game, Kenzie 19%,

[01:27:06] just that she's probably likely at the end.

[01:27:09] I don't think she beats Maria.

[01:27:10] I don't think she beats Charlie, but I think she could.

[01:27:13] And then I'm giving Ben the 1% on the Kenzie,

[01:27:16] Ben, Liz thing where I'm like,

[01:27:17] maybe he's just that likable.

[01:27:19] Liz, I'm giving 0% based on the difficulties

[01:27:23] I've spoken about on perception.

[01:27:24] That's on game.

[01:27:25] That's interesting.

[01:27:26] Yeah, how do you look at it?

[01:27:27] How do you make that hierarchy for yourself?

[01:27:31] I give Ben and Liz both zero.

[01:27:36] You know, a couple of years ago when the Gable thing happened

[01:27:38] and I'd given him zero in the Gable thing

[01:27:40] and I'd given him 0%,

[01:27:41] I said, I'd never give 0% again.

[01:27:43] And yet here I am just doing it every season.

[01:27:45] Well, I'm giving two.

[01:27:46] So yeah.

[01:27:47] I'm giving two as well.

[01:27:48] I made a lot of changes on Ben.

[01:27:50] Nah, sorry Ben.

[01:27:51] I love you, but sorry Liz, I love you too.

[01:27:53] But I give them both zero.

[01:27:57] Charlie is more than 50%.

[01:28:01] Maria, and these challenges, the US challenges,

[01:28:04] again, they're a bit different to the Australian ones.

[01:28:08] So it's hard to know.

[01:28:09] I do think Maria is quite well-rounded

[01:28:12] and I like her coolness under pressure.

[01:28:18] Kenzie kind of mocks herself at like the challenges anyway.

[01:28:21] So yeah, like I don't discount Maria

[01:28:26] winning the next challenge.

[01:28:28] Yeah.

[01:28:30] And then she'll just have to work hard to make sure.

[01:28:35] Maria is so persuasive.

[01:28:37] She could still pay, even if she loses,

[01:28:40] I'm not discounting, I'm gonna say it.

[01:28:42] I don't think it's a lot that Charlie,

[01:28:45] she's gone,

[01:28:46] because I think she is an excellent game player.

[01:28:48] So I think that, yeah,

[01:28:49] I would give Maria the next most percentages

[01:28:52] and then Kenzie, she's coming in third place.

[01:28:58] But then I'm persuaded then by the edit,

[01:29:00] like then we change into the edit side of things.

[01:29:02] So yeah, but I'm pure gameplay.

[01:29:04] That's how I would put it.

[01:29:06] Yeah.

[01:29:07] So you'd give, so what's the percentages?

[01:29:09] I don't know.

[01:29:10] Like, I don't know.

[01:29:11] Like, I don't know.

[01:29:14] 50, 35, 15.

[01:29:18] To Kenzie, 15.

[01:29:20] Yeah.

[01:29:21] Yeah, okay.

[01:29:22] Fair enough.

[01:29:22] Pretty similar in our thought process.

[01:29:24] Just a little bit of the numbers being different.

[01:29:25] Here's where it changes for me.

[01:29:27] And I wanna talk about the edit.

[01:29:30] Cause I've spoken about, I think I said last week,

[01:29:31] if Kenzie wins for me,

[01:29:33] it detracts from the season purely because of the edit.

[01:29:36] I would like Kenzie as a narrative winner.

[01:29:39] I think having a Yanu win is good for the season.

[01:29:43] I think I like Kenzie a lot.

[01:29:44] As a strategist, as I've spoken about,

[01:29:46] like pros and cons,

[01:29:47] she wouldn't be like the best strategic winner.

[01:29:49] I like Kenzie a lot

[01:29:50] and I think she'd be a fun winner.

[01:29:52] But on edit alone,

[01:29:53] it would detract from the season for me

[01:29:54] because I feel like it's been so insultingly hitting me

[01:29:56] over the head since the split tribal

[01:29:58] where I remember standing in that New York bar

[01:30:00] and even though I couldn't even really hear

[01:30:01] what was going on,

[01:30:02] no offense Gordon, great event.

[01:30:03] I was like, oh, even I can tell Kenzie's won the game.

[01:30:06] Yeah.

[01:30:07] And literally the whole post-match for me has been like

[01:30:09] trying to work out how Kenzie gets to the point

[01:30:11] where she's gonna win

[01:30:12] and the edit has been screaming it in my face.

[01:30:13] I have to say with like the Ben connection,

[01:30:15] as important as that connection seems to be,

[01:30:17] she's like, you said you'd never write my name down

[01:30:19] and it's important to know about that relationship.

[01:30:20] The same narrative that we get about it,

[01:30:22] which is like, of course I'm gonna help him

[01:30:24] even though he's a competitor of mine

[01:30:26] or he wrote my name down.

[01:30:27] And I kind of feel like, yeah,

[01:30:30] shouldn't everyone help the man struggling

[01:30:33] with these difficulties?

[01:30:34] Like I actually read a Twitter thread,

[01:30:37] like comments about this

[01:30:38] and they were like, yeah,

[01:30:39] not a lot of people would do that.

[01:30:40] Kind of made me lose faith in humanity

[01:30:42] where I'm like, Kenzie is a lovely person.

[01:30:44] And firstly on Survivor, yes,

[01:30:46] everyone should be nice to everyone,

[01:30:47] but I actually don't think that there's an agenda here.

[01:30:49] I just think like, it's not,

[01:30:51] she's not giving him a kidney.

[01:30:53] Like she's helping, you know,

[01:30:55] and she is a great social player

[01:30:56] and she is lovely to Ben,

[01:30:58] but I just think it's been given to us now twice on-

[01:31:00] I agree.

[01:31:01] You know, like even though he's my competitor,

[01:31:03] can you believe that I helped the man

[01:31:06] suffering through panic attacks?

[01:31:07] And I just feel like for me,

[01:31:09] it's reminiscent of Michelle's

[01:31:12] infamous burger confessional

[01:31:14] where she like talked about winning the burger

[01:31:16] and it was like, why are we getting this?

[01:31:18] And it was just, it's so extreme.

[01:31:20] It's so, it's not, and again,

[01:31:23] it's not like how much she has,

[01:31:25] cause I think she should have a lot of content.

[01:31:26] She was on Yanu,

[01:31:27] she's been a big part of the season in actuality,

[01:31:28] but it's the type of content.

[01:31:30] It's the fact that when she's out of the vote,

[01:31:32] she's an underdog.

[01:31:33] When she's in power, it's powerful.

[01:31:34] Like it's never negative.

[01:31:36] She's a very positive person,

[01:31:37] but the way she's delivered to us,

[01:31:38] it's always from her POV.

[01:31:40] And yeah, for me, if she wins

[01:31:41] and I'm giving her an 80% chance on the edit

[01:31:43] because that's how clear it is to me.

[01:31:45] If she wins on edit,

[01:31:47] it would detract from the season

[01:31:48] cause the season's too unhinged

[01:31:49] to have hit me over the head

[01:31:50] with her winner edit for the last like six weeks.

[01:31:53] I understand exactly what you're saying.

[01:31:55] I also remember back on Yanu beach,

[01:31:58] they, there was an opportunity where she was going to go,

[01:32:02] but whoever was it, that dude-

[01:32:05] Random guy, yeah.

[01:32:06] I mean, yeah.

[01:32:07] Tiffany has clarified if she would have gone,

[01:32:09] but that was the narrative.

[01:32:11] But it was sort of like that.

[01:32:12] Yeah, it was, they were, again,

[01:32:14] it was framing Kenzie in an interesting way

[01:32:16] and they really kind of focused on that.

[01:32:18] No, even at that point I was like,

[01:32:19] oh, there's something here.

[01:32:22] The way that confessional,

[01:32:23] like I hope my eyes are blue

[01:32:24] cause when I cry, like my eyes turn really blue.

[01:32:26] Like these little bits of her shining through

[01:32:30] in ways which stand out.

[01:32:32] And I think that's been from the very start.

[01:32:35] I also think that this is partial.

[01:32:37] So there's two things I want to say.

[01:32:41] Do you think that there could be a tie vote

[01:32:43] with Ben as the-

[01:32:44] That's what Steven thinks, yeah.

[01:32:46] I think that's possible.

[01:32:47] Oh, okay.

[01:32:48] Oh, there you go.

[01:32:49] Oh, look at that.

[01:32:50] I didn't know that.

[01:32:51] Yeah.

[01:32:51] I hadn't thought about that until he'd said it.

[01:32:54] Cause I just felt like, cause I, okay.

[01:32:55] You give your perspective

[01:32:56] and I'll say why I think the Ben thing has been so clear.

[01:32:59] But you, so you think it's a tie vote?

[01:33:01] I think it's, well, I was like, this is,

[01:33:03] we've had it twice now and I'm like, wow, this is a lot.

[01:33:06] It was a lot.

[01:33:07] And so, and I don't see a world where Ben gets voted off.

[01:33:10] So I'm like, unless this is part of her pitch at the end

[01:33:15] to be like, I was the one who kept Ben,

[01:33:18] like who does that?

[01:33:19] You know, I think it's more about-

[01:33:20] Who's nice.

[01:33:21] Ben having agency at some point in the end game.

[01:33:25] I think so that I'm like, oh, that could happen

[01:33:29] particularly against someone like Charlie.

[01:33:31] I think that that could be the thing or even Maria.

[01:33:35] And then the other thing is,

[01:33:37] is this is why I'm not closing the door on Maria.

[01:33:42] Maria losing immunity next at five

[01:33:45] and then Kenzie making the choice to vote off Charlie

[01:33:54] and then potentially somehow spinning a way

[01:33:59] that she eliminates, she puts herself in the end with,

[01:34:04] oh no, okay.

[01:34:05] So potentially there's her, Maria and Ben at the end

[01:34:08] and then there's this high

[01:34:09] and Kenzie now has finally cashed her social check

[01:34:13] in voting off Charlie

[01:34:16] and in terms of making a strategic move.

[01:34:18] And then there's a tie with Maria and Kenzie

[01:34:22] with them being the deciding vote.

[01:34:24] So that's why I'm not ruling out Charlie

[01:34:27] being immune if Maria,

[01:34:31] like being safe if Maria doesn't win the next immunity.

[01:34:33] There was a secret scene again.

[01:34:36] Some of the secrets.

[01:34:38] It was a secret scene where Maria and Ben

[01:34:40] had like a bad interaction,

[01:34:42] which you think would play out

[01:34:44] if he's gonna vote against Maria.

[01:34:45] I mean, obviously we get it in the positive with Kenzie

[01:34:47] but that would speak to that a little bit more.

[01:34:49] I also feel like whoever wins the challenge is taking Liz.

[01:34:51] Like I can't imagine Liz goes on fire.

[01:34:54] So, I mean, I don't think Maria is gonna sit at the end

[01:34:57] cause I don't think she wins

[01:34:58] and I think she would win at the end.

[01:35:00] So I think that's, and I think she'd win at four.

[01:35:01] So I think she's gone at five

[01:35:02] and it adds a very traditional fifth place edit.

[01:35:04] I think Steven spoken about that as well.

[01:35:07] Kind of like an under edited,

[01:35:08] like first boot of the finale,

[01:35:09] like let's keep it moving

[01:35:10] as much as that person has actually had a presence

[01:35:12] in the game.

[01:35:13] My thing with Ben,

[01:35:14] I don't think Ben needs to cast a deciding vote.

[01:35:16] I think we need to understand the social game

[01:35:18] and one time we didn't and that was Michelle.

[01:35:20] And I think that that's what it comes down to is

[01:35:23] I think there's been the comparison to Aubrey and Michelle

[01:35:25] which is a strategic player,

[01:35:27] someone we've seen in the driver's seat of strategy

[01:35:30] loses to like a more kind of, again,

[01:35:32] purely social and not socially strategic,

[01:35:34] but like really like purely social player.

[01:35:37] And I did not understand that when it happened with Michelle.

[01:35:40] Me neither, I still don't.

[01:35:41] I know, but the words are confessional, yeah.

[01:35:43] And like same, I don't think that was called to a thought.

[01:35:45] I think as like, because to be fair,

[01:35:49] like as viewers, there's a lot with Aubrey and Michelle

[01:35:51] that I don't need to get to that I've spoken,

[01:35:52] in terms of the jury, I think that that was,

[01:35:56] the jury was like Scott and Jason.

[01:35:58] But so I think it was hard to understand

[01:36:00] and I think that they tried to tell it to us

[01:36:01] and even with the very big winner edit,

[01:36:03] it was still for me hard to swallow and hard to understand.

[01:36:07] I think with that context,

[01:36:08] I would understand this a lot more.

[01:36:10] And as viewers and especially like super fan nerds,

[01:36:12] game boss in our own right,

[01:36:14] it's harder to see like the strategy person

[01:36:16] who we've like understood their moves

[01:36:18] and it's very tangible.

[01:36:20] It's harder to see that person lose

[01:36:21] to like pure social game, which can be hard to tell.

[01:36:24] So for me, the Ben stuff is telling that social game

[01:36:27] and pushing it.

[01:36:28] And this is why I think that what that is,

[01:36:30] is not Ben's deciding vote, but it's Kenzie beating Charlie

[01:36:35] because Kenzie beating Ben and Liz,

[01:36:37] I don't need that winner edit

[01:36:39] knocked me over the head with a thousand times.

[01:36:41] I understand that perfectly fine

[01:36:44] of why Ben and Liz would lose to Kenzie.

[01:36:46] But for Kenzie to beat Charlie,

[01:36:48] again, I don't think from a game perspective

[01:36:49] I would agree with it,

[01:36:50] but I'm certainly prepared for it.

[01:36:51] I'm a little bit too prepared and I would understand it.

[01:36:54] And I think that's why it's had to be so heavy handed

[01:36:56] and so much of that social game

[01:36:58] in a really tangible way has been through Ben.

[01:36:59] And I think that's why it's been told to us to extremes

[01:37:01] without Ben having to cast the vote.

[01:37:03] I still think that it's more of an example

[01:37:06] of that social game.

[01:37:08] I see what you're saying.

[01:37:09] I think that if that's the case,

[01:37:11] Kenzie's final tribal pitch is gonna be nearly,

[01:37:16] it will have to be almost flawless

[01:37:18] because she's going to have to convince this strange jury

[01:37:24] that her, who have been like obsessed

[01:37:26] about voting off the number one allies,

[01:37:29] that it's her social game that deserves their vote.

[01:37:33] You know?

[01:37:34] Also does Charlie have a lot to speak to

[01:37:37] of what the jury will like?

[01:37:39] You know, cause I love Charlie's game.

[01:37:40] I think I haven't disagreed with a move yet.

[01:37:42] It's considered, it's thoughtful,

[01:37:43] there's timing, positioning,

[01:37:44] like I love all this subtle stuff,

[01:37:46] but does this jury love that?

[01:37:47] Or is it a little bit too quiet?

[01:37:48] Is the positioning not the best?

[01:37:52] And is Kenzie's winning move in how she's framed it

[01:37:55] and how she can make Charlie like,

[01:37:57] weaken him in the eyes of the jury

[01:37:58] and in framing and communication,

[01:38:00] which is also very valid.

[01:38:02] So I think that that's the issue for me

[01:38:03] because when I look at it,

[01:38:04] I don't think that should happen from a game perspective,

[01:38:06] but when I'm trying to work out how Kenzie gets to the win,

[01:38:08] which the editor has been screaming at me

[01:38:10] and I could be wrong.

[01:38:11] And again, not cause I don't love Kenzie,

[01:38:13] but I hope I'm wrong just because,

[01:38:16] for it to have been so forceful,

[01:38:18] I would have almost felt spoiled.

[01:38:19] So that I wouldn't like.

[01:38:21] But if I look at Charlie's edit,

[01:38:23] I feel like he,

[01:38:24] it has also been big, he has the most confessionals,

[01:38:26] but it correlates, I feel like, to his actual impact.

[01:38:28] It's not like inflated.

[01:38:29] And it's more about the level of the content for me

[01:38:32] than the type of content and the amount of content.

[01:38:36] Because as an example,

[01:38:38] Liz and Ben have half the confessionals of those two.

[01:38:41] But it's also like Liz was the least edited in Nami,

[01:38:44] even though she's in the finale.

[01:38:46] That even for this is kind of insulting

[01:38:47] and she's a great character.

[01:38:49] And then Ben also very under edited,

[01:38:53] but Maria who has 30 confessionals fewer than Charlie,

[01:38:58] I feel like for Maria,

[01:39:01] there is that because I really think they've been,

[01:39:03] they played a lot of this game together.

[01:39:04] If anything, she's been seen as the alpha.

[01:39:06] And while they've diverged in the last couple of episodes,

[01:39:08] she actually has got a lot of content in that time.

[01:39:10] So it's more like through their partnership,

[01:39:12] she was made to be the beta.

[01:39:15] Again, that's like amount of content

[01:39:17] and the type of content where I really feel like

[01:39:20] if Maria wins with the edit that she has,

[01:39:23] it gets actively sexist

[01:39:24] because no man could play this like brash baller game

[01:39:28] that would necessitate four immunity wins and fire

[01:39:31] or five immunity wins probably to get to the end

[01:39:33] and be edited this way,

[01:39:34] where we've really seen it all from Charlie's perspective.

[01:39:37] And she was actually seen as the alpha and then she wins.

[01:39:40] Like that would be so insulting.

[01:39:42] I agree.

[01:39:43] And it actually is already insulting, as I've said,

[01:39:46] that she has 30 confessional fewer

[01:39:47] and it's been so much from Charlie's point of view.

[01:39:50] So if she wins,

[01:39:51] I feel like her edit is pretty much ruled out.

[01:39:54] But for Charlie and Kenzie,

[01:39:57] who are kind of on par on numbers of confessional,

[01:40:00] for me, it's not about the numbers, but it's so much more.

[01:40:03] We know that numbers matter more in US Survivor

[01:40:05] and the way that the story is told

[01:40:06] compared to Australian Survivor,

[01:40:08] but it's also in the content of that

[01:40:11] and what they're given and how it's framed

[01:40:14] between like Charlie and Kenzie from an edit perspective.

[01:40:17] Yeah, no, I think you've nailed on the head.

[01:40:20] And yeah, it's a shame.

[01:40:21] Like I think Maria is one of the,

[01:40:24] she's a fantastic player

[01:40:27] and yeah, her edit has been relational to Charlie

[01:40:34] up until basically this episode where we got to see her-

[01:40:39] And she got a lot.

[01:40:41] Her with Q.

[01:40:43] But I think what the name,

[01:40:43] the title of the episode is like Mama's House

[01:40:45] or something like this.

[01:40:46] So I think, I don't know.

[01:40:47] Mama Bear.

[01:40:48] Mama Bear or something,

[01:40:49] which is a bit weird again, Mama.

[01:40:51] I don't like that, but yeah.

[01:40:53] Anyway.

[01:40:54] Well, just because the thing is like,

[01:40:56] I feel like I know Maria very well.

[01:40:58] Yeah.

[01:40:59] But like, I feel like I know all the characters pretty well.

[01:41:01] Like definitely from Tevin onwards

[01:41:02] and even with a lot of the pre-merges,

[01:41:04] like it's 90 minutes.

[01:41:05] Like I get a lot of them,

[01:41:06] but it's not about how well I know them.

[01:41:07] It's how have I seen Maria compared to Charlie

[01:41:12] or Kenzie compared to me

[01:41:13] as winner options going into the finale.

[01:41:15] So while I also feel like I know Liz and Ben really well,

[01:41:18] like I feel like that content has maybe a little bit less

[01:41:21] with Liz earlier on and Ben later on.

[01:41:23] But like, I still feel like I know them well.

[01:41:24] Like we get a lot of the content,

[01:41:26] but it's compared to each other.

[01:41:27] Like how could that be Maria's winning story?

[01:41:29] And yet it's like,

[01:41:30] it would genuinely be so insulting

[01:41:32] in comparison to Charlie.

[01:41:33] So I've given Kenzie 80%, Charlie 19%.

[01:41:38] And Maria 1% on edit.

[01:41:40] Yeah, okay.

[01:41:41] I'll go 50-50.

[01:41:43] 50-50 Kenzie, Charlie?

[01:41:45] Yeah, just so that I know.

[01:41:47] All right.

[01:41:48] But I'm bumping, like I've been a fan of Kenzie.

[01:41:53] I've been swooned by the edit of Kenzie from the start.

[01:41:56] So I-

[01:41:57] It's real.

[01:41:58] It's just a lot.

[01:41:59] It's real.

[01:42:00] She's amazing.

[01:42:01] I want to know where she gets her tattoos

[01:42:03] because they are just beautiful.

[01:42:05] And I think she's, again, I think she's a,

[01:42:08] yeah, I think she's great.

[01:42:09] But yeah, the edit has been very, very good for her.

[01:42:12] So yeah.

[01:42:14] All right.

[01:42:15] Well, let's talk about probably Charlie and Kenzie

[01:42:16] quite a bit in the Chizzy.

[01:42:18] Take it away Jacob Sagan Weinstein and MC Kala.

[01:42:20] One, two, three.

[01:42:22] One, one, one, three.

[01:42:24] One, one, two, one, two, three.

[01:42:26] It's getting, it's getting, it's getting kind of chizzy.

[01:42:28] Three, two, one.

[01:42:31] All right.

[01:42:31] So I'm giving three to Charlie,

[01:42:33] who I feel like, again, it's just,

[01:42:34] it's a good path for him.

[01:42:35] He had the numbers.

[01:42:37] The Maria blind spot is unfortunate,

[01:42:39] but like I can defend him telling Maria,

[01:42:42] like I feel like he and Maria

[01:42:43] are technically working together.

[01:42:44] They have to have a conversation

[01:42:46] about what they're doing.

[01:42:47] And Q is a fine option.

[01:42:49] Like if Maria doesn't like that

[01:42:50] because she's connected to Q in a world

[01:42:52] where she's not coming for him,

[01:42:53] which again is the blind spot,

[01:42:54] but that you probably would just say like,

[01:42:55] I don't want to do that.

[01:42:56] And they'd have a conversation.

[01:42:57] And you might say, we don't have the numbers.

[01:42:58] Like I'm not as against it

[01:43:00] because it actually works within the framework

[01:43:01] of them technically working with each other.

[01:43:04] And because I understand it as it was,

[01:43:06] it would proceed to the final five,

[01:43:07] which he articulated.

[01:43:08] I think it could be the difference

[01:43:09] between him staying and going in a final five

[01:43:12] when Maria is not already targeting him.

[01:43:13] So I do understand that as much

[01:43:15] as there were perils there.

[01:43:18] And I feel like he also did well

[01:43:19] with the reward choices

[01:43:20] and no one was mad at him,

[01:43:22] which is such a rarity in the season.

[01:43:24] So I'm giving him three points.

[01:43:26] I'm giving two points to Kenzie

[01:43:28] for not being a target.

[01:43:30] While the move may not be my preference,

[01:43:31] I think it can be rationalized.

[01:43:34] I think that there is a path for her.

[01:43:36] And again, I needed to be kind of validated by the win.

[01:43:38] But also she and Liz like were doing

[01:43:41] the blindsiding of Q.

[01:43:42] Like they're the swing votes

[01:43:43] having to pull on over on him

[01:43:44] and on Maria from giving her the points.

[01:43:46] And then giving one point to Maria,

[01:43:47] the Charlie read to try and go for him is right

[01:43:50] as much as she doesn't have the social capital to do it.

[01:43:52] And just for protecting herself,

[01:43:53] like that's the game.

[01:43:54] It's not even actually about having numbers,

[01:43:56] which she does not.

[01:43:56] It's not about having the read, which she did not.

[01:43:58] But just went out and she's continuing to do that.

[01:44:02] And that's why there is a legitimate path forward for her.

[01:44:04] And as I said, Charlie did already win the Chizzy,

[01:44:06] but that is my Chizzy points.

[01:44:08] And Mark, who are you giving your points to?

[01:44:11] As you were saying, who you gave your points to,

[01:44:13] I'm gonna change mine.

[01:44:14] So I'm gonna go for three for Charlie, my man Charlie.

[01:44:19] Definitely pretty much verbatim

[01:44:22] for all the reasons that you said.

[01:44:23] But more interestingly, I was tossing up between,

[01:44:27] I had Kenzie at number two,

[01:44:28] but now that you've said reminded me that Maria,

[01:44:31] she won immunity when she needed to.

[01:44:34] And I know, I think me and potentially we get quite obsessed

[01:44:38] with the strategy and I'm not a challenge beast

[01:44:41] kind of person, but having been in that situation before,

[01:44:47] it's part of the game.

[01:44:48] And I think winning immunity when you need to

[01:44:51] in the end game, it is part of like ultimately,

[01:44:55] I think it is a really important thing

[01:44:57] that is a part of people's games.

[01:45:00] And so actually, even though I cannot believe

[01:45:02] that Maria didn't tell Q to play as idle,

[01:45:04] which basically like almost made me think

[01:45:08] that I wasn't gonna give her any points,

[01:45:10] I've changed my mind.

[01:45:11] I'm gonna give Maria two,

[01:45:12] because I think she did really well in that challenge.

[01:45:16] She didn't give up and then she just focused her mind

[01:45:19] really well on that puzzle.

[01:45:20] And I do like to see a puzzle

[01:45:22] and I think she did really well at it.

[01:45:23] So, and I think the way she's been basically

[01:45:28] taking Q under her wing and working with Q

[01:45:32] has been also really good.

[01:45:33] So I'll give her two and then one, I'll give it to Kenzie.

[01:45:37] I think it's gotta be Kenzie.

[01:45:38] I think she, I believe she has an intention in her mind

[01:45:44] that she wants to keep Charlie around.

[01:45:48] I don't know if it's the right call,

[01:45:49] but I think ultimately she's being the most strategic

[01:45:53] out of the remaining people.

[01:45:55] So yeah.

[01:45:56] So just in terms of where those five are at,

[01:46:00] Charlie is on 40 chippy points.

[01:46:02] Maria's next on 22, Kenzie on 13, Ben on 12 and Liz on seven.

[01:46:06] That's the disparity.

[01:46:07] That's where we're at.

[01:46:09] Yeah, but thank you so much, Mark.

[01:46:10] This was much fun.

[01:46:11] This was such a good time.

[01:46:13] Shannon, this has been always a pleasure.

[01:46:15] I'll keep my American accents to myself

[01:46:18] and you know what?

[01:46:20] Let's see what happens.

[01:46:21] And I'll be chomping at the bit to watch the finale next.

[01:46:26] And all the best to everyone

[01:46:28] who's going to those viewing parties in the States.

[01:46:30] They look like they're gonna be so much fun.

[01:46:31] I wish I was there,

[01:46:32] but I'll be cheering on from up here in sunny Brisbane.

[01:46:36] Yeah, let's see if the season can have the unhinged ending.

[01:46:40] Well, that would have been cute.

[01:46:41] Nothing's gonna be, well, I mean, I guess Liz,

[01:46:42] that would be crazy,

[01:46:43] but like no, cute would have been the real unhinged ending

[01:46:45] or it's gonna go the way we think or not.

[01:46:46] I'd love to be surprised.

[01:46:48] That would be really, really fun.

[01:46:49] Or a surprise reunion.

[01:46:51] That would be the best.

[01:46:51] Oh my God, this cast couldn't.

[01:46:53] I don't think they could be.

[01:46:54] I mean, they have been in rooms together,

[01:46:55] but like, I don't know.

[01:46:56] I don't know, but look, it's been a very real,

[01:47:00] very dramatic season.

[01:47:01] I've certainly enjoyed it.

[01:47:03] I just said viewing parties.

[01:47:04] I can call hotel for the Sydney Siders this week.

[01:47:06] On a Thursday night, I'll probably be there as well.

[01:47:10] And probably maybe some players as well.

[01:47:11] So I don't know, I can't promise that.

[01:47:13] But for the Sydney viewers that there's a finale party.

[01:47:17] Mark, where can people find you and all you have going on?

[01:47:20] Best thing is Instagram, Mark T Warnock.

[01:47:25] You can find me there.

[01:47:26] And then there's links to everything from there.

[01:47:28] So yeah, hit me up and all the best to the people

[01:47:32] who are in the final stages of casting

[01:47:34] for Brains vs. Brawn.

[01:47:36] You know, best of luck.

[01:47:38] Listen to Shannon's deep dives and do some squats.

[01:47:43] Yeah, listen to five hours of Mark and listen to deep dives.

[01:47:46] We've got a lot here.

[01:47:48] You said you listened to the deep dives pre-season

[01:47:49] and now people listen to yours, you know, like full circle.

[01:47:53] The circle of survivor life.

[01:47:55] But next week I'll be talking about the finale

[01:47:56] with my great friend, South Africa winner Dino Paolo.

[01:47:59] Really excited about that.

[01:48:00] Follow me at Shannon Gates.

[01:48:01] Subscribe to the International Survivor podcast.

[01:48:03] Do follow me because apparently I'm getting the tea

[01:48:05] from the players without even really looking for it.

[01:48:09] So that's where it's happening.

[01:48:11] But thank you so much, Mark.

[01:48:13] This has been such a fun time.

[01:48:15] Thank you to everyone for listening.

[01:48:16] Thank you to our team behind the scenes.

[01:48:17] And I will see you next time.

[01:48:19] Bye.

[01:48:20] Australian survivor.

[01:48:21] Survivor is saying.

[01:48:21] Survive in New Zealand.

[01:48:23] Survivor.

[01:48:24] Survivor.