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[00:03:28] And a very big discussion in the days following the finale.
[00:03:32] I should say, as of course Survivor 46 is going to conclude
[00:03:36] in such a wild, unexpected way,
[00:03:38] considering the previous 13 episodes that we got.
[00:03:41] Of course, I'm not alone in this.
[00:03:43] We are the final three to talk about 46 here on the B&B.
[00:03:47] First, my beloved shirt twin, my ride or die on the B&B,
[00:03:51] Liana. She's swan.
[00:03:53] Okay, wait, wait, wait.
[00:03:55] Oh, yours looks better than mine!
[00:03:57] Yeah, okay.
[00:03:59] So for those that might not remember this,
[00:04:01] or who didn't tune in a couple weeks ago
[00:04:03] when we had Jamie Lynn Ruiz on,
[00:04:05] so we did a prizes roar game
[00:04:07] where we looked at some Etsy stuff
[00:04:09] and I found a t-shirt of
[00:04:11] Jeff Probst in a cowboy hat
[00:04:13] from an undetermined, like unpublicized photoshoot.
[00:04:17] We think it might be Australian Outback
[00:04:19] because he's wearing like a
[00:04:21] Outback adjacent hat
[00:04:23] and we were obsessed with the misprints
[00:04:25] that had come in from several customer complaints
[00:04:27] and so, Liana and I
[00:04:29] both
[00:04:31] speedily ordered these.
[00:04:33] It was a little touch and go.
[00:04:35] We did receive word at one point
[00:04:37] that the store stopped producing said item.
[00:04:39] I think we got two of the final shirts
[00:04:41] in this store.
[00:04:43] Never have I been more mad that someone did their job properly
[00:04:45] because I got a
[00:04:47] pristine
[00:04:49] edition here.
[00:04:51] Liana, you've got a little bit of corner fading.
[00:04:53] Yeah, yours looks good.
[00:04:55] The color that it's printed on,
[00:04:57] I still can't get over
[00:04:59] if you were to show me this picture,
[00:05:01] I don't know if I would immediately recognize it as Jeff Probst.
[00:05:03] There's something
[00:05:05] just a little bit off about it.
[00:05:07] I was telling Pooja it's kind of like a
[00:05:09] Tommy Lee Jones face morph
[00:05:11] with Jeff Probst and that's sort of all
[00:05:13] I can see now when I look at my t-shirt
[00:05:15] but I'm not going to lie, kind of obsessed with it.
[00:05:17] Very excited. Yeah, the seller goes off
[00:05:19] Etsy. We have no idea if we're going to get our shirts
[00:05:21] or not. So it was a ride.
[00:05:23] I'm so excited that Mike and I now have matching
[00:05:25] t-shirts. It's all I've ever wanted in life.
[00:05:27] Absolutely. Well,
[00:05:29] unlike Tommy Lee Jones, we didn't have to search
[00:05:31] every outhouse, henhouse, doghouse
[00:05:33] to find our guest today
[00:05:35] because I'm so excited to bring this person on.
[00:05:37] Making his B&B debut, but
[00:05:39] a mere 365 days ago
[00:05:41] we were watching the first glimpse of him
[00:05:43] on our televisions talk about
[00:05:45] his family's history with bank robbing
[00:05:47] so I'm so happy to have
[00:05:50] stolen this guest from other RHAP
[00:05:52] broadcasts to bring on to the B&B, the
[00:05:54] great Brandon Donlan. Listen
[00:05:56] remember that preview? Remember
[00:05:58] they made bank robbing?
[00:06:00] I was so nervous to watch the preview
[00:06:02] just because they had a lot of material
[00:06:04] and then all of a sudden the bank robbing monologue
[00:06:06] comes out and I was so, I can see
[00:06:08] in the clip that we all filmed it and watched it
[00:06:10] I'm like oh, okay
[00:06:12] I mean it's better than what we thought
[00:06:14] they could have showed a lot
[00:06:16] but now we're here and now I got to experience
[00:06:18] watching the 47 preview
[00:06:20] with a lot of 46ers so now it's just cyclical
[00:06:22] you know? And I'm so thrilled
[00:06:24] to be here to talk about that and all the rest of the episode
[00:06:26] That's the part of the episode I was looking
[00:06:28] the most forward to and then the first
[00:06:30] two hours and 57 minutes were fantastic
[00:06:32] It was just a fantastic prelude to that one moment
[00:06:34] Yeah, I do have to ask about this
[00:06:36] because we got a whole ass
[00:06:38] hour and a half
[00:06:40] basically with like commercials
[00:06:42] out of you over the course of your two episodes on Survivor
[00:06:44] 45. How did this one thing
[00:06:46] only make the promo
[00:06:48] and not the episodes proper?
[00:06:50] I mean, I wasn't exactly giving
[00:06:52] a bank robber during the time
[00:06:54] on the program
[00:06:56] It would have been fun if I had to throw away
[00:06:58] this is the family that
[00:07:00] did the bank robbery
[00:07:02] but I have a tattoo that's right here that I talked
[00:07:04] about on camera. I thought that maybe that would be
[00:07:06] this is the newspaper headline of my grandfather
[00:07:08] when he robbed the bank I have right here
[00:07:10] Darby Bank Bandit, jailed for eight years
[00:07:12] is right on my side here
[00:07:14] They had a lot of material to work with
[00:07:16] Your boy gave them
[00:07:18] some stuff to work with so we're thrilled
[00:07:20] that it turned out the way it did
[00:07:22] and now Delta Airlines, I don't know if you've heard
[00:07:24] but the only season on Delta
[00:07:26] Airlines right now is Survivor 45
[00:07:28] The first four episodes I believe
[00:07:30] Wow, why did they not put
[00:07:32] Survivor Africa up there in perpetuity?
[00:07:34] Does that not feel like brand loyalty to T-Bird?
[00:07:36] You would think but now
[00:07:38] I'm sponsored by United Airlines
[00:07:40] Don't watch the episodes. Fly United
[00:07:42] Fly a different airline. The seat back entertainment
[00:07:44] much better
[00:07:46] If you're on Delta, shout out to
[00:07:48] I'm getting a lot of pictures
[00:07:50] and now I can't fly
[00:07:52] I'd rather, you know
[00:07:54] I was gonna say I know that you were not a fan
[00:07:56] of flying. Would this be any sort of incentivizer
[00:07:58] for you now? You know it's interesting
[00:08:00] now I'm chilling. It's a total 180
[00:08:02] I've flown so much
[00:08:04] in the fall doing all the stuff and even
[00:08:06] just the past couple months
[00:08:08] Survivor trips, unrelated Survivor trips
[00:08:10] We die, we die. You know if we're in the air
[00:08:12] and we go down, we go down
[00:08:14] Once you have that in your head
[00:08:16] it's fine. A little turbulence. It doesn't
[00:08:18] feel great but it's not anything to be
[00:08:20] You can be cured if you're watching this
[00:08:22] and you're worried. You can be cured from your fear of flying
[00:08:24] I almost didn't go to Fiji and now
[00:08:26] I'm like, you know, I can fly to LaGuardia
[00:08:28] from Fort Lauderdale. Who cares?
[00:08:30] That would be a shitty flight to die on
[00:08:32] If you're gonna die on a flight, fly to like France
[00:08:34] Go somewhere nice. I guess you'll never make
[00:08:36] it there but at least you have the intent of
[00:08:38] what it would be like if you got there
[00:08:40] Okay, good. Life lessons
[00:08:42] from Brandon Donovan
[00:08:44] You're gonna die on a flight. Fly to France
[00:08:46] I didn't realize we were booking
[00:08:48] Brandon for Tony Robbins-esque motivational
[00:08:50] speaking. I also am obsessed with
[00:08:52] the idea of like, do you think there are
[00:08:54] airline execs curating
[00:08:56] which Survivor seasons to put and like
[00:08:58] what should be matched with what? Is Worlds Apart
[00:09:00] the Spirit Airlines of Survivor seasons?
[00:09:02] Yeah, it's one iPad
[00:09:04] that's like taped
[00:09:06] Only playing
[00:09:08] only looping the auction episode of Worlds Apart
[00:09:10] over and over again
[00:09:12] Yeah, it's very
[00:09:14] interesting. I don't know why they picked the first four episodes
[00:09:16] I remember, I think it was Delta had
[00:09:18] season 41 and 42 the whole season
[00:09:20] It's just the first four episodes which if you
[00:09:22] ask Reddit
[00:09:24] it would be not the episodes that they would have
[00:09:26] picked from the curation but
[00:09:28] they're there. If you're flying somewhere then you
[00:09:30] can take a couple hours and
[00:09:32] spend them with your good friends
[00:09:34] Hannah, Sabaya, Sean, myself
[00:09:36] and everybody else. It was mostly just that
[00:09:38] crew for the first four episodes
[00:09:40] I'm watching the first four and then
[00:09:42] your plane lands at Cleveland
[00:09:44] and you're like, man I hope those Lulu's turn out
[00:09:46] okay. Surely it'll turn around for them
[00:09:48] at some point. Yeah, I hope that social
[00:09:50] media was super positive for all of them
[00:09:52] This is the tone of which the Survivor
[00:09:54] finale week has gone. It's just such a
[00:09:56] bleak couple days. It's crazy
[00:09:58] People are showing up at Kenzie's Salon
[00:10:00] Everybody hates Maria
[00:10:02] On the internet, it's crazy
[00:10:04] It's not an ideal couple
[00:10:06] days for people. But also
[00:10:08] I know the people that listen to this are
[00:10:10] good people but be nice
[00:10:12] If this ends up in your YouTube
[00:10:14] thing and you don't listen to this normally
[00:10:16] and you've somehow made it in seven minutes
[00:10:18] of your boy, be nice. It's
[00:10:20] so several minutes. It's so
[00:10:22] easy to just be nice or just don't
[00:10:24] say anything. And don't show up
[00:10:26] to people's place of work
[00:10:28] That's crazy. And don't tweet that
[00:10:31] We should be okay with
[00:10:33] them coming to work because we
[00:10:35] signed up for reality TV. Like listen
[00:10:37] I work remotely. That would be like you showing up at my house
[00:10:39] Crazy
[00:10:43] Now I want to try it. So I don't know
[00:10:45] That just sounded like a show up at
[00:10:47] Brandon's house. Hi!
[00:10:49] Yeah, it's fun. No, I mean
[00:10:51] I think you're absolutely correct
[00:10:53] It always still baffles me
[00:10:55] the reaction sometimes with certain
[00:10:57] groups of fans that I'm just like what is wrong
[00:10:59] with you? Everybody chill
[00:11:01] It's TV. Everything's fine
[00:11:03] You're fine. Your life is fine
[00:11:05] Let's like step away from all
[00:11:07] of this toxicness and just
[00:11:09] go back to like enjoying the show
[00:11:11] And obviously you can be critical of players moves
[00:11:13] and that's okay but like when it comes to
[00:11:15] just crossing those boundaries, it's of course
[00:11:17] absolutely unacceptable
[00:11:19] I mean they've tried
[00:11:21] to balance it out. Again, Survivor 46
[00:11:23] cast like you really cannot
[00:11:25] take their temperature. You never know
[00:11:27] Because you could argue okay post finale
[00:11:29] now the gloves are truly off but
[00:11:31] like Hunters hosted a
[00:11:33] mini reunion on Saturday where each
[00:11:35] person came on and answered like
[00:11:37] second grade brain quest questions
[00:11:39] from him. He just posted an entire thread
[00:11:41] of describing Survivor 46
[00:11:43] through clips of the Emperor's new groove
[00:11:45] So again, Jeff I know
[00:11:47] kept saying that the season was
[00:11:49] unpredictable. Nowhere is that more clear
[00:11:51] than just watching this second
[00:11:53] narrative this entire time of
[00:11:55] everything that's happened online
[00:11:57] and how things have come out and look
[00:11:59] this could be a very old podcast by the time
[00:12:01] it gets posted like we could talk
[00:12:03] right now and then like six hours from now
[00:12:05] when this posted somebody just absolute sets off
[00:12:07] a bomb and it turns out that yep all that good
[00:12:09] will is nuked all over again so
[00:12:11] again it would not be Survivor 46
[00:12:13] in my opinion if we did not
[00:12:15] have all this wackadoo chaos
[00:12:17] around. That being said
[00:12:19] do not be the chaos fans
[00:12:21] If anything, the players can create the chaos
[00:12:23] themselves. It is not in your
[00:12:25] behest to make that on their behalf
[00:12:27] Absolutely
[00:12:29] Be nice. It's so much easier to be nice
[00:12:31] and also like everybody's you know no matter
[00:12:33] how well you do at the program
[00:12:35] everybody's going through their own mental
[00:12:37] things that you know somebody I think Gabby
[00:12:39] Piscuzzi told me right when I got back is like
[00:12:41] everybody who does Survivor feels like a little weird
[00:12:43] for a while is what her words are
[00:12:45] and and like these people they're fresh out
[00:12:47] they just stepped into the weird
[00:12:49] they just bought real estate in weird so
[00:12:51] you doing whatever you're doing is not
[00:12:53] going to help us
[00:12:55] us I speak of them but
[00:12:57] it's not helpful
[00:12:59] and you know what it was a
[00:13:01] you know what an episode
[00:13:03] I you know I saw
[00:13:05] my first season of Survivor in 2008 I watched Gabon
[00:13:07] and everybody says every
[00:13:09] season like this is once there's like a wacky
[00:13:11] episode or a wacky segment like this is
[00:13:13] New Era Gabon or this is like the second
[00:13:15] coming of Gabon. This I think is like
[00:13:17] good Gabon. Like Gabon's fun
[00:13:19] I like it a lot but it's not
[00:13:21] it's not good. It's not
[00:13:23] this was really good and
[00:13:25] really really funny and like I
[00:13:27] my media consumption is reality
[00:13:29] TV and scripted
[00:13:31] comedy unscripted comedy like that
[00:13:33] the two things I like I don't know I don't know your Breaking
[00:13:35] Bads, your Game of Thrones
[00:13:37] Prison Break what's still on? I don't know what's still on
[00:13:39] Oh the real big three
[00:13:41] scripted trauma
[00:13:43] This was so funny the whole time
[00:13:45] and not for episodes three and four
[00:13:47] It's so funny for one two and then five on
[00:13:49] and really really good
[00:13:51] captivating Survivor so I'm thrilled to talk about
[00:13:53] Yeah I think that I was
[00:13:55] sort of waiting for like the
[00:13:57] trademark wackiness of
[00:13:59] 46 to come in in the finale because I will say
[00:14:01] like you know there was some stuff that
[00:14:03] a lot of us had predicted that Maria
[00:14:05] of course after being left flat footed at the last vote
[00:14:07] was going to be the odds on person to go
[00:14:09] but again in true Survivor 46 fashion
[00:14:11] I don't think we all thought it would
[00:14:13] happen as a result of collusion
[00:14:15] but in my opinion
[00:14:17] once we got to that final four fire
[00:14:19] making round I'm like alright there's
[00:14:21] that Survivor 46 I know and love
[00:14:23] when Liz comes in gets Treebell
[00:14:25] and says my ligaments are too big
[00:14:27] for my wrists between
[00:14:29] Ben being able to like put
[00:14:31] forward one of the most impressive
[00:14:33] challenge feats I've seen given his
[00:14:35] own mental condition
[00:14:37] and coming through and winning this challenge
[00:14:39] then his immediate I made a huge
[00:14:41] mistake expression as he realizes yes
[00:14:43] but one of his two best friends in to
[00:14:45] Liz and
[00:14:47] her claims and the jury's reaction
[00:14:49] like this finale was
[00:14:51] truly giving Survivor 46
[00:14:53] in that it brought the comedy
[00:14:55] it brought the really heightened emotion
[00:14:57] it brought the intensity
[00:14:59] it brought this like play the game
[00:15:01] until your last breath and it
[00:15:03] brought the surprise Leon at the end of the day
[00:15:05] well I'm upset
[00:15:07] that you didn't mention my favorite
[00:15:09] wacky moment which is when at
[00:15:12] the second immunity challenge Liz comes out
[00:15:14] as me ma and Jeff is like
[00:15:16] I genuinely can't tell if this is a joke
[00:15:18] or not like what the fuck are you doing
[00:15:20] like what is even happening right now
[00:15:22] that to me was also just pinnacle
[00:15:24] 46 because it's just so
[00:15:26] weird and Jeff doesn't even know
[00:15:28] what's happening it's iconic
[00:15:30] yeah I absolutely love that because I think
[00:15:32] my read is that
[00:15:34] he if you notice welcomes
[00:15:36] everyone in right with this like
[00:15:38] John Hammond dollar store voice of like
[00:15:40] welcome to your final immunity challenge
[00:15:42] and then Liz is like
[00:15:44] I'm gonna one up this bit right
[00:15:46] now and so I think Jeff is partially like
[00:15:48] no I had a thing going but I agree
[00:15:50] Liana like he actually helpers to the
[00:15:52] camera for the first time since like 41 and
[00:15:54] 42 when he was doing it a lot of like
[00:15:56] you see this shit like
[00:15:58] I legitimately think I'm
[00:16:00] intrigued to see what happens in 47 because
[00:16:02] Brandon I'm especially intrigued to see from you
[00:16:04] considering like this obviously happened
[00:16:06] right after 46 uh 45
[00:16:08] I think the season broke Jeff Probst like
[00:16:10] he's bringing out food
[00:16:12] he's joking with them
[00:16:14] he's watching all this mayhem in front
[00:16:16] of him and now they're doing bits
[00:16:18] on day 25
[00:16:20] he's a funny guy like
[00:16:22] interfacing him with him like on zoom
[00:16:24] calls or whatever the casting process he's very
[00:16:26] funny has like good comedic timing
[00:16:28] I always found so I'm thrilled
[00:16:30] there's bits I don't know if prop comedy is the way
[00:16:32] that I would be like if I had to pick
[00:16:34] a lane for him prop comedy is like
[00:16:36] I hated the Twizzlers I hated the cushion
[00:16:38] I just think like he can do
[00:16:40] the little voices are funny him like
[00:16:42] stepping out of his like it's like when you see your like
[00:16:44] teacher at the mall like it's like
[00:16:46] doing like a different like oh this is weird for
[00:16:48] you to be doing this but I don't hate it like
[00:16:50] it's funny I like
[00:16:52] more of that and less so like he shows up
[00:16:54] to you know they show up to
[00:16:56] the tribal council and he has like a clown nose and he's like
[00:16:58] one of you guys is going to be the clown
[00:17:00] we're not building for Jeff material
[00:17:02] we don't want that Jeff material
[00:17:04] Jeff material he is he's so fun
[00:17:06] like I really I co-sign
[00:17:08] whatever kind of bits you know and I think
[00:17:10] I don't know if they knew
[00:17:12] during 46 that they had
[00:17:14] I'm sure they did like gold
[00:17:16] characters in the moment like I'm sure they saw
[00:17:18] Q they saw Liz it's all Ben
[00:17:20] and like these are really you know I
[00:17:22] wonder how much of 47 we're going to get like
[00:17:24] oops all characters or if it's a
[00:17:26] healthy mix of the two or if they tone down
[00:17:28] the characters because maybe they feel like the characters
[00:17:30] took away from the game I mean
[00:17:32] you're not going to find like the mistake of
[00:17:34] like and I think Joe Mena is great but
[00:17:36] the mistake of like casting a Joe Mena after
[00:17:38] you have Tony a couple different times
[00:17:40] and then you have Joe Mena and he's like he's Joe Mena's fine
[00:17:42] I liked him a lot but he's not he's not
[00:17:44] he literally called himself Bodega Tony it's okay
[00:17:46] like we're not going to get
[00:17:48] you know complete duplicates but I wonder if
[00:17:50] there is going to be more of an emphasis I would assume
[00:17:52] yes we're going to skew a little bit towards
[00:17:54] character heavy on 47
[00:17:56] maybe even more like
[00:17:58] we always people I think bitter jurors coin like
[00:18:00] the fall season is like the serious
[00:18:02] season and the 48, 48 is going to be
[00:18:04] crazy if this is any
[00:18:06] indication you know we're going to get some nuts on
[00:18:08] 47 then 48 is going to be a madhouse
[00:18:10] but I'm excited to see it
[00:18:12] yeah I
[00:18:14] do think it's interesting especially because you have that
[00:18:16] longer delay time right because you do the two seasons
[00:18:18] back to back and you have this like larger gap
[00:18:20] that can allow for some type of pendulum
[00:18:22] swing one way or the other whether or not it's
[00:18:24] keeping going or it's starting to go back
[00:18:26] I'm also just kind of obsessed with
[00:18:28] the idea of Jeff Probst as a prop comic to go
[00:18:30] back to that like I'm expecting him to come
[00:18:32] bring the watermelon what
[00:18:34] a life you lead on this survivor
[00:18:36] island like go full Gallagher
[00:18:38] I would kind of be into that I'm not
[00:18:40] going to lie just try it right like you have
[00:18:42] 40 46 seasons now
[00:18:44] under your belt just try it
[00:18:46] well I think what we could do is for 47
[00:18:48] let's make our tribal council like
[00:18:50] just a fun house set you know
[00:18:52] like oh my god don't do any sort of
[00:18:54] cultural aspects just make it like
[00:18:56] play house where Jeff comes out now
[00:18:58] and his blue khakis and a bow tie be like
[00:19:00] everybody
[00:19:02] oh that's gonna give me a night
[00:19:04] terror I'm gonna have to call back
[00:19:06] I woke up every
[00:19:08] two days in a cold sweat because I was
[00:19:10] thinking about Jeff Probst is Pee Wee Herman
[00:19:12] Oh my god large Marge
[00:19:14] can be there I love you know I'm a big fan
[00:19:16] of that movie it's a great movie
[00:19:18] well I'm also imagining though like
[00:19:20] the players can you like Brandon
[00:19:22] imagine walking into that and being like
[00:19:24] what is even this
[00:19:26] yeah walking I like somebody asked me recently
[00:19:28] tribal council like what I like after
[00:19:30] having watched it for so long what is like tribal council
[00:19:32] and my words were like it's very
[00:19:34] rainforest cafe where it's like super
[00:19:36] immersive and it's like it's like a themed
[00:19:38] restaurant and our like
[00:19:40] a couple like I know like the 44 had like the
[00:19:42] nights and the 46 had more of it
[00:19:44] like our theme was just alright
[00:19:46] this stuff's I guess in the in the
[00:19:48] warehouse let's just throw it you know wherever
[00:19:50] it wasn't very cohesive but it's so cool
[00:19:53] it's super cool and you know we're not leaving
[00:19:55] Fiji we're gonna run out of things where is fun
[00:19:57] house is fun house isn't 71
[00:19:59] is it 61 is it 83
[00:20:01] yeah or could it be
[00:20:03] sort of the tail wagging the dog of if
[00:20:05] it's like alright we want you all to
[00:20:07] act like clowns like here's your circus
[00:20:09] you know yeah
[00:20:11] this is gonna incentivize to do it well
[00:20:13] I feel like you know we are
[00:20:15] putting a bit of the nose before the clown here
[00:20:17] and not talking about obviously this
[00:20:19] result of course congratulations to
[00:20:21] Kenzie and again in true
[00:20:23] 46 fashion I think a lot of people were coming
[00:20:25] in for various reasons thinking it's
[00:20:27] Kenzie or it's Charlie so I think
[00:20:29] if on paper you told someone
[00:20:31] ahead of time hey by the way
[00:20:33] this is going to end with a
[00:20:35] 5 to 3 vote Kenzie beats
[00:20:37] Charlie people would say okay
[00:20:39] yeah I guess that makes sense from an editorial perspective
[00:20:41] where maybe the plot gets a bit
[00:20:43] lost is obviously
[00:20:45] Maria being the center but really
[00:20:47] so many votes just
[00:20:49] absolutely baffling
[00:20:51] the idea that Kenzie
[00:20:53] gets in an explicit
[00:20:55] argument with Q at that final
[00:20:57] tribal council I thought
[00:20:59] okay maybe this will be like a
[00:21:01] you know 6 to 2 vote Q
[00:21:03] is absolutely voting for Charlie this is Bruce all over
[00:21:05] again right where like D makes fun
[00:21:07] of Bruce going home with his idol and Bruce is like I'm done
[00:21:09] I'm gonna I'm voting for
[00:21:11] whoever else is not named D on there
[00:21:13] I thought Q was absolutely
[00:21:15] not gonna vote for Kenzie
[00:21:17] and then he gives her his vote
[00:21:19] for one answer at the very end
[00:21:21] Liana is this not
[00:21:23] Q personified yeah
[00:21:25] classic classic Q
[00:21:27] like when but it was also not just Q
[00:21:29] but when Tiffany also was involved and it was like
[00:21:31] that little trio all sort of like
[00:21:33] bantering back and forth I was like
[00:21:35] ah never change Yanu
[00:21:37] never change it was truly
[00:21:39] a thing of beauty but I mean look
[00:21:41] credit to Q for being able to still
[00:21:43] be like look even though we're debating about what
[00:21:45] this move exactly happened I'm
[00:21:47] I can still see everything else that happened
[00:21:49] and I'm willing to give you my vote at the end of the day
[00:21:51] Liz was the other one who confused me
[00:21:53] cause didn't Liz I thought I thought Liz was definitely
[00:21:55] gonna vote for Kenzie but I think she voted for
[00:21:57] Charlie right she did because
[00:21:59] apparently well according to what she
[00:22:01] told me she actually was gonna
[00:22:03] go into tribal council voting for Ben
[00:22:05] but she
[00:22:07] said that uh because she felt
[00:22:09] that Ben was the only one to like
[00:22:11] really call out again from her uniform
[00:22:13] opinion you're the one that said
[00:22:15] I was the biggest threat to win
[00:22:17] game respects game she said why she voted
[00:22:19] for Charlie is when Charlie actually started to like
[00:22:21] explain sort of like what brought
[00:22:23] Hunter over to the Charlie side as well which was like
[00:22:25] once he sort of explained okay I wasn't
[00:22:27] just in the shadow of Maria there was
[00:22:29] intentionality at seven I was setting
[00:22:31] up these four with Maria and Q
[00:22:33] as my my goats as my
[00:22:35] shields that's what's kind of endeared her
[00:22:37] over to that side but yeah I mean
[00:22:39] Liz also continues to be an absolute
[00:22:41] wild card in terms of everything she does and I
[00:22:43] adore it so much
[00:22:45] the best I I was I was
[00:22:47] on the Liz Wilcox train from episode
[00:22:49] one two and I'm so thrilled
[00:22:51] it's a great crescendo of a
[00:22:53] story of like though we we look we
[00:22:55] help we help Kenzie in the final
[00:22:57] five challenge which I want to talk about it gets crazy
[00:22:59] I love it um and then the final
[00:23:01] you know losing and fire proclaiming
[00:23:03] I would have won against all of you and then
[00:23:05] just to a jury pan
[00:23:07] of seven people who were like well
[00:23:09] I don't know
[00:23:11] we'd have to check the tape on that I
[00:23:13] I'm obsessed with it I want it for every season
[00:23:15] you know what a standout casting
[00:23:17] choice that Liz is I think that what you know
[00:23:19] you never know what some people you know
[00:23:21] you don't know Q's gonna be this big you don't know that Liz
[00:23:23] is gonna be this big they transcend you know
[00:23:25] just the position that they would normally have on a
[00:23:27] season of Survivor but they just knocked
[00:23:29] it out of the park with Liz um and hey
[00:23:31] 50 I'm just saying
[00:23:33] I'm not going that sounded like I was trying to pregame I'm not
[00:23:35] going like Liz I hope you do well
[00:23:37] on 50 I think it'll be great
[00:23:39] with me
[00:23:41] if that you know were to happen
[00:23:43] yeah
[00:23:45] yeah Liz Liz is so
[00:23:47] interesting and I mean she's obviously been
[00:23:49] such a fascinating character throughout the
[00:23:51] course of the season and continues to
[00:23:53] give in the finale as well
[00:23:55] with the yeah with
[00:23:57] thinking that she's gonna win the whole meemaw thing
[00:23:59] like all of that the going back and helping
[00:24:01] uh with with the plank
[00:24:03] which I think we absolutely have to talk
[00:24:05] about because there's been so much discourse about whether
[00:24:07] or not is this legal
[00:24:09] right like is this legal in the course
[00:24:11] of Survivor I love the
[00:24:13] fact that she also this is such a side note
[00:24:15] but she ran through her own channel to
[00:24:17] get there so in my opinion it's legal
[00:24:19] because she ran through her own
[00:24:21] obstacles she didn't run through Kenzie's obstacle
[00:24:23] she ran through her own so
[00:24:25] for some reason I feel like that's legal
[00:24:27] but then it brings up into question can you
[00:24:29] like go grab someone else's
[00:24:31] plank and go drag it into the jungle
[00:24:34] like is that can you go like hide it like go
[00:24:36] hide Maria's plank somewhere and then
[00:24:38] take Kenzie's back yeah I mean that would
[00:24:40] so I mean that would be the implication right that like
[00:24:42] these are different hold planks I think
[00:24:44] if that was the case that they'd be like everybody
[00:24:46] stop no don't do that
[00:24:48] anymore so yeah I think they
[00:24:50] try to sort of dot their eyes
[00:24:52] by making sure that they brought back
[00:24:54] Kenzie's plank specifically in case it was
[00:24:56] a different number but yeah I mean
[00:24:58] it's it's wild
[00:25:00] it's not something that we haven't
[00:25:02] not seen in Survivor Pass I mean obviously
[00:25:04] Albert drop your stack is the clearest example
[00:25:06] that I think people are using to be like
[00:25:08] Jeff you didn't allow this to happen
[00:25:10] here and now you're allowing this to happen
[00:25:12] here I think honestly
[00:25:14] I don't really think it's coming
[00:25:16] from a place of like malice or
[00:25:18] 40 chest of like well I wanted to save
[00:25:20] Ozzy this time but this time Maria
[00:25:22] I'm throwing you to the wolves I think it was honestly just a
[00:25:24] matter of like well this is making interesting
[00:25:26] TV okay let's let it play out and
[00:25:28] Liz has apparently said that after it
[00:25:30] probes basically said like yeah we're not doing
[00:25:32] that anymore so collusion
[00:25:34] I think is now being like tampered down
[00:25:36] upon but listen I'm all for Liz going
[00:25:38] full air bud here and being like there's nothing not
[00:25:40] in the rules about me running back to get someone
[00:25:42] else's prop to help them win the challenge
[00:25:44] yeah I mean I love like for
[00:25:46] a show that is like accused sometimes of being
[00:25:48] like samey you know I love
[00:25:50] stuff like that like again I don't want it every
[00:25:52] time you know somebody I read somewhere that like
[00:25:54] if you're in a Final Five situation and there's a clear like
[00:25:56] Mike Holloway underdog I don't want to see
[00:25:58] people gang up on that person and then they leave
[00:26:00] like that I mean that's not fun
[00:26:02] TV but like you know Ben in Heroes Healers
[00:26:04] Hustlers gets an idol validated
[00:26:06] for him before the votes are read because he asks right
[00:26:08] and it's like if you ask and there's no rule
[00:26:10] I co-sign it for once you know I
[00:26:12] co-signed it for one time it was memorable it was
[00:26:14] fun I love that it was Liz who did it
[00:26:16] if you would have told me before the episode somebody
[00:26:18] does this Liz would have been my fifth guest
[00:26:20] like it wouldn't have tracked for me
[00:26:22] but I love it I absolutely
[00:26:24] love it and I agree that maybe going
[00:26:26] forward we caught it definitely we caught
[00:26:28] it but for this time hell yeah
[00:26:30] well we even have more of a recent precedent I think
[00:26:32] people might not remember the Edge of Extinction
[00:26:34] finale obviously one of the things that
[00:26:36] maybe not even on the top five things that Chris
[00:26:38] Underwood does in that episode is that I believe he
[00:26:40] helps Julie win the immunity
[00:26:42] challenge at six to get out Victoria
[00:26:44] where he's like coaching
[00:26:46] her through how to do
[00:26:48] the puzzle so again I think
[00:26:50] it really is just sort of like a call
[00:26:52] in the field I also agree that I
[00:26:54] love that it is Liz I think it's
[00:26:56] hinting towards a relationship that we really didn't
[00:26:58] get to see I also love in general both of
[00:27:00] these challenges and the advent in the first
[00:27:02] one of like okay
[00:27:04] your puzzle's done and everyone's like okay
[00:27:06] great that means we're done with the challenge nope
[00:27:08] you gotta and not only is it
[00:27:10] that it's also a
[00:27:12] like core function of
[00:27:14] winning this challenge would require on
[00:27:16] paper you having to go back
[00:27:18] through the first part of the challenge
[00:27:20] we only really see people backtrack when
[00:27:22] they've really fucked something up
[00:27:24] so I love that now it's
[00:27:26] a requirement at least again
[00:27:28] if you don't have someone alongside you to
[00:27:30] do it for you
[00:27:32] I'm really happy that you mentioned that because
[00:27:34] I think that part gets overshadowed
[00:27:36] so much because of the whole Liz
[00:27:38] thing so the fact
[00:27:40] that the way that they did it is
[00:27:42] you finish the puzzle which I'm okay
[00:27:44] you know it's the end of the game you're exhausted you're mentally
[00:27:46] exhausted you think you won
[00:27:48] and you know you have Jeff
[00:27:50] chirping in your ear about like okay
[00:27:52] what's on the puzzle is gonna give you the
[00:27:54] final clue but you're probably I mean like
[00:27:56] I'm sure you tune that out
[00:27:58] because you're just like I have to focus on the puzzle that
[00:28:00] I'm solving so then you get there and you're
[00:28:02] just like what?
[00:28:04] I love the pure confusion
[00:28:06] that happened especially because you know a lot
[00:28:08] of these challenges do feel like save me save
[00:28:10] me it's like okay oh well we've seen
[00:28:12] the throw the ball and pull the thing down before
[00:28:14] we've seen this before so to
[00:28:16] have something new also is very exciting
[00:28:18] for the final immunity
[00:28:20] the final final immunity
[00:28:22] is so cool
[00:28:24] and we're gonna see it now so many more times
[00:28:26] they got a hit and we're gonna
[00:28:28] see it 48 49 like
[00:28:30] you know I really really I dug the whole
[00:28:32] it's like skeeball I love skeeball
[00:28:34] yeah so that was
[00:28:36] I talked about this on Club Kondo but now I can like
[00:28:38] officially reveal it so when I went on to set I saw
[00:28:40] the very preliminary version of it
[00:28:42] they didn't have like all the
[00:28:44] discarded wood shop projects
[00:28:46] nailed to it none of the blocks were on there
[00:28:48] but I saw it and I'm like
[00:28:50] holy shit like if we do a new
[00:28:52] final immunity challenge like
[00:28:54] it doesn't even matter what the rest of the season's
[00:28:56] like like a certain subset of fans
[00:28:58] are going to be very happy and yeah
[00:29:00] I love this as well I love the fact
[00:29:02] that again Ben is in by
[00:29:04] far the worst mental state out of
[00:29:06] maybe a lot of survivor
[00:29:08] endgame contestants but he's the only
[00:29:10] one to like not mess up whatsoever
[00:29:12] where Charlie drops a couple times Liz
[00:29:15] drops a couple times Kenzie yeets
[00:29:17] her ball off like she's Stephen
[00:29:19] Fishback trying to hit
[00:29:21] Charlie's target which could have been really interesting
[00:29:23] and Ben of all
[00:29:25] people I think outdoes Romeo
[00:29:27] in this moment as like one of the most
[00:29:29] out of nowhere final immunity winners
[00:29:31] we've seen in the show's history
[00:29:33] yeah I was
[00:29:35] prepared to make my 42
[00:29:37] comparisons I was like
[00:29:39] this is why we're seeing the Ben
[00:29:41] and Kenzie stuff because Ben
[00:29:43] wins the final immunity and he takes
[00:29:45] Kenzie because he's showing the relationship
[00:29:47] I was like Kenzie's Maryann because I had already
[00:29:49] made the comparison when we talked
[00:29:51] about the final six vote with Q being
[00:29:53] Omar and Lindsey being
[00:29:55] Maria and I was like oh my god
[00:29:57] it's all lining up and then
[00:29:59] it didn't so I deleted
[00:30:01] those who will know. Liz and Jonathan
[00:30:03] they're pretty much the same person
[00:30:05] yeah well that was like I was going to everyone
[00:30:07] and he was like so
[00:30:09] Jonathan is Liz
[00:30:11] obviously
[00:30:13] Jonathan ate like four dozen
[00:30:15] eggs a day and Liz gets drunk when she eats
[00:30:17] eggs so yes exactly the same
[00:30:19] yeah very
[00:30:21] very cool I don't want to jump around but just because you said Q
[00:30:23] Q in the final
[00:30:25] the jury deliberation
[00:30:27] I just watched it for the first time because we were
[00:30:29] at an event you couldn't hear it super well
[00:30:31] Q's so funny
[00:30:33] is Q the funniest person that's been on Survivor in a long
[00:30:35] time? I think probably right
[00:30:37] well I think what you were saying about Jeff
[00:30:39] Probst is actually very comparable to Q
[00:30:41] where I think he has a very certain
[00:30:43] way of saying things but he is so quick
[00:30:45] with his retorts
[00:30:47] yes if you pull the Q string you do get
[00:30:49] cancel Christmas you do get big mistake
[00:30:51] but then you get like little
[00:30:53] witty things that get thrown in like when he's
[00:30:55] talking about can Hunter win all these
[00:30:57] challenges? Debatable! Like all
[00:30:59] these other little random Q moments
[00:31:01] that get thrown in and yeah
[00:31:03] including this as well where he is just
[00:31:05] saying like listen I know it's y'all's time
[00:31:07] out there but like can I just speak up about something
[00:31:09] can I clear something up right now
[00:31:11] I mean like I know people were
[00:31:13] saying oh my god why is the jury
[00:31:15] hijacking the final tribal councils
[00:31:17] for the finalists? I'm like
[00:31:19] have you seen the jury?
[00:31:21] Have you seen this season? Is this not what
[00:31:23] you expected from these
[00:31:25] people to be like I will be the human egg
[00:31:27] timer you have 30 seconds to describe
[00:31:29] to me every facet of your game and why I should
[00:31:31] give you a million dollars go!
[00:31:33] Yeah I cracked up at Soda
[00:31:35] I was like I have been on the jury the longest
[00:31:37] I've been watching the whole time
[00:31:39] I'm like yes!
[00:31:41] It's the jury!
[00:31:43] I thought that was very funny
[00:31:45] I thought yeah Q when somebody's
[00:31:47] I think Charlie is talking about the 6
[00:31:49] Q was like I don't know if we gotta be bragging about being in the 6
[00:31:51] The 6 is here!
[00:31:53] We're all right here
[00:31:55] I think it was so so funny
[00:31:57] and I have like a I thought this
[00:31:59] weeks ago but I wanna this is the first time I've verbalized
[00:32:01] it is I think the best seasons of Survivor
[00:32:03] on all like our universal lists
[00:32:05] are the seasons with the funniest
[00:32:07] people or at least funny people
[00:32:09] and I think there's one glaring
[00:32:11] no and it's heroes vs villains
[00:32:13] I don't think that the end game at least
[00:32:15] I think you lose the funny people early in heroes vs villains
[00:32:17] I think the end game is very dry
[00:32:19] but like Akagian,
[00:32:21] David vs Goliath, you know
[00:32:23] Korong, Pearl Island
[00:32:25] everybody's funny
[00:32:27] I think that you need funny people
[00:32:29] and it's not like you need comedians
[00:32:31] you just need people like Q
[00:32:33] like a Tony, like an Aubrey
[00:32:35] who are just naturally funny
[00:32:37] to propel the story forward
[00:32:39] I think it melds two genres really nicely
[00:32:41] and I think that's like the seasons they put on Netflix
[00:32:43] are the ones they know can pull people
[00:32:45] and all of those heroes vs villains aside
[00:32:47] I think have like really really funny people
[00:32:49] at the end and Sandra's very funny
[00:32:51] it's a certain level of like
[00:32:53] you have a lot of people
[00:32:55] I think Sandra's really heavy lifting at the end game
[00:32:57] for funny people. Rupert's not doing bits
[00:32:59] I think unintentionally he is
[00:33:01] I think that's the thing too
[00:33:03] I think that even unintentionally funny people
[00:33:05] also, I think as long as you have
[00:33:07] somebody who is funny
[00:33:09] who can play off of the unintentionally funny people
[00:33:11] then I think that even adds more dimensions
[00:33:13] to it. So I think that
[00:33:15] that's definitely possible
[00:33:17] but I think to go back to the
[00:33:19] jury mouthing off sort of
[00:33:21] conundrum, that's been going on
[00:33:23] since the very very very beginning of Survivor
[00:33:25] like when did we get that montage?
[00:33:27] Why do I have a montage of jury questions
[00:33:29] in my head? Did that happen in the sense code?
[00:33:31] No, so we got a montage
[00:33:33] of iconic Survivor catchphrases
[00:33:35] to talk to related to Severn Means Several
[00:33:37] and that showcased
[00:33:39] maybe what you're indicating which is like
[00:33:41] Sue Hawk. Yes, exactly
[00:33:43] that was the exact thing I was going to reference
[00:33:45] obviously you have the very famous snake and rat speech
[00:33:47] from the very first jury
[00:33:49] questioning, like that's something that has existed
[00:33:51] from the very beginning of Survivor
[00:33:53] with the jury being able to sort of mouth off
[00:33:56] to the people who are in the final
[00:33:58] two or final three so that is just
[00:34:00] absolutely consistent. Now I think where
[00:34:02] it kind of goes off the rails maybe a little bit
[00:34:04] is when you sort of lose the thread of what we're doing
[00:34:06] why are we here? What are we doing moving forward?
[00:34:08] But I don't, I didn't get that
[00:34:10] energy from this final Tribal Council
[00:34:12] like I still felt like we were able to get a lot
[00:34:14] of information and even the back and forth
[00:34:16] like the debating with the
[00:34:18] Kenzie, Tiffany, Q thing
[00:34:20] that was still valuable to like
[00:34:22] understand what was happening so I
[00:34:24] really enjoyed it. And I also think that sometimes
[00:34:26] not always but jury votes can sort of
[00:34:28] serve as like the culmination of the season
[00:34:30] and that felt very on brand right? It felt very
[00:34:32] thematic that despite the fact that they
[00:34:34] were sitting on separate sides of Tribal Council
[00:34:36] that the three of them were still arguing
[00:34:38] with each other at the end of the day. I will say
[00:34:40] maybe the one exception to what you were saying
[00:34:42] Liana is Tiffany coming right out
[00:34:44] from the beginning and being like I don't want to hear any Taylor
[00:34:46] Swift lyrics or pop culture
[00:34:48] or metal references like
[00:34:50] is Ben just singing in his head what was I made for?
[00:34:52] Like that is what this man is!
[00:34:54] That's his essence at
[00:34:56] his core. How could he talk about his game?
[00:34:58] You know, he has come out in Exit Press
[00:35:00] talking about how the jury was
[00:35:02] obviously writing him off, they were
[00:35:04] laughing at him in certain points, he was being
[00:35:06] ignored in the questioning and maybe it's
[00:35:08] because he was disqualified from the beginning
[00:35:10] because he couldn't do his thing. That's Ben's thing!
[00:35:12] I think a really
[00:35:14] beautiful character moment that if like you
[00:35:16] if I were to go back and rewatch I would note
[00:35:18] is that he ends his last thing
[00:35:20] with a rock reference. Like I admit it, Tiffany says
[00:35:22] like I'll allow that one and I think he probably
[00:35:24] you know, I've read also his
[00:35:26] Exit Press, I listened to your Exit Press, that he was
[00:35:28] being written off and I feel like he maybe knew he wasn't gonna
[00:35:30] win and he just, like why not?
[00:35:32] Let's throw one in!
[00:35:34] If I'm going to jail I might as well
[00:35:36] break as many laws as I can!
[00:35:38] Let's go out, you know his last words
[00:35:40] spoken in Survivor 46 pre-reunion
[00:35:42] show are a rock reference and I think that
[00:35:44] is beautiful. Yeah
[00:35:46] speaking of beauty, there is
[00:35:48] such beauty in the game of soccer
[00:35:50] and in defeat as well, like I
[00:35:52] know people have done this, myself included, but
[00:35:54] I really need to give major ups to Charlie
[00:35:56] and look, I don't necessarily
[00:35:58] want to say that like everyone
[00:36:00] needs to be so gracious in
[00:36:02] losing out at a million dollars
[00:36:04] because again, these are humans
[00:36:06] at the end of the day and certainly there has been discourse
[00:36:08] about like are people too buddy-buddy when
[00:36:10] they get voted off which Survivor 46 has
[00:36:12] certainly proven to be the exception
[00:36:14] to that rule but like
[00:36:16] God, I can only imagine what was going through Charlie's
[00:36:18] head during that as
[00:36:20] pregnant as Kenzie Petty pause
[00:36:22] when Jeff asked, you know, what are
[00:36:24] your thoughts in this moment
[00:36:26] and I give him kudos, I give
[00:36:28] someone like Mike kudos as well, maybe even
[00:36:30] more so Mike because like Mike came into Final
[00:36:32] Tribal Council winning
[00:36:34] and then lost the game over the course of
[00:36:36] those few hours to have Charlie be
[00:36:38] able to vocalize in that moment simultaneously
[00:36:40] like his obvious
[00:36:42] disappointment and
[00:36:44] shock and dismay that this was
[00:36:46] slipping through his fingers while also
[00:36:48] simultaneously using this as a reason
[00:36:50] to be like, okay but I also predict
[00:36:52] that on the internet less than a year
[00:36:54] from now people are really going to start like
[00:36:56] raking Kenzie through the coals about this so like
[00:36:58] let me just say the jury got it
[00:37:00] right, please celebrate her. I mean
[00:37:02] it's a message that certainly still needs to be
[00:37:04] communicated through various messages over
[00:37:06] the past week but like
[00:37:08] God, again I give him
[00:37:10] nobody again needs to necessarily
[00:37:12] go this route each and every time but I think it was
[00:37:14] such a gracious
[00:37:16] way to handle considering the fact that
[00:37:18] he lost out by one jury vote
[00:37:20] because Ben has confirmed multiple sources
[00:37:22] that he would have voted for Charlie
[00:37:24] and it arguably came at the hands of the one
[00:37:26] person he thought he was banking on at the end of the day.
[00:37:30] Yeah, is this again
[00:37:32] I should know this as a superfan, is there any other
[00:37:34] instance of something like this that has happened
[00:37:36] before or is this a survivor first
[00:37:38] in terms of your number one ally
[00:37:40] and is this like the kind of clinch vote
[00:37:42] that you lose?
[00:37:44] I mean you could argue
[00:37:46] technically Sue and Kelly
[00:37:48] right, like she technically
[00:37:50] was the fourth vote for Richard even though
[00:37:52] Kelly got some pity votes due to Sue's
[00:37:54] actions. Yeah,
[00:37:56] I mean and again I know I think Charlie maybe
[00:37:58] tweeted it, I know I saw Owen resurface it
[00:38:00] but like the after show we are
[00:38:02] at a point now where we can not do the after
[00:38:04] show, we can do it in LA
[00:38:06] we can still read the winner there and then have a live
[00:38:08] satellite from New York or LA
[00:38:10] over here, it just
[00:38:12] doesn't, I don't want to watch anybody
[00:38:14] process that in the real time
[00:38:16] I don't think it's compelling
[00:38:18] I don't think it's fun
[00:38:20] and for a show that is built on fun
[00:38:22] and compelling, Jeff wants
[00:38:24] families to watch this, I just don't
[00:38:26] see Charlie looking there destroyed
[00:38:28] Owen looking there destroyed, like Caroline looking there destroyed
[00:38:30] it's not fun, it's not fun
[00:38:32] for anybody
[00:38:34] just don't do it at all
[00:38:37] if the compromise is we're never
[00:38:39] going to do it back in the states or
[00:38:41] we'll do it there, then just cut it
[00:38:43] to hear everybody talk about
[00:38:45] we're going to do that on the internet
[00:38:47] if you want to find that conversation you can go find it
[00:38:49] it just doesn't seem
[00:38:51] nice, it just leaves a
[00:38:53] bad taste in my mouth every time and Charlie again
[00:38:55] Mike as you said, I mean obviously
[00:38:57] he's destroyed, he looks destroyed because he is
[00:38:59] destroyed and it's not fun
[00:39:01] it's not fun at all, so Jake was
[00:39:03] it's not a, I don't
[00:39:05] like it, and I, you know
[00:39:07] we're, I didn't really, like
[00:39:09] we're not seeing anything of compelling note in the
[00:39:11] after show. That's the other thing as well
[00:39:13] I think I've seen pointed out in the discourse
[00:39:15] as well is that one thing that production
[00:39:17] actually loses out on is because they, is that they don't
[00:39:19] know what is exactly going to be the
[00:39:21] most popular stuff, there's not exactly
[00:39:23] like the hot topics that can only go off of are
[00:39:25] things like, oh a lot of people
[00:39:27] went out with idols, you know
[00:39:29] as the finale was ticking along I was like
[00:39:31] it's 1020 and we're
[00:39:33] beating the votes right now, this is going to be a surprisingly
[00:39:35] short after show and to be honest I feel like this
[00:39:37] cast didn't necessarily deserve an
[00:39:39] after show that was like only 20 minutes long
[00:39:41] Right, especially a group that like
[00:39:43] I mean I could say this about a lot of the new era
[00:39:45] groups but like I want to hear from
[00:39:47] Jelinski, I want to hear from Jess, Bonnie
[00:39:49] like, like, Randon, I don't know if Randon's okay
[00:39:51] you know, like I just, I think that
[00:39:53] again obviously that's not a call they can make there
[00:39:55] when they're doing it, but I think for future reference
[00:39:57] we're not in a state of the world right now where
[00:39:59] we can't do it here, like we can't get
[00:40:01] everybody, we can't get everybody through Zoom, it's just
[00:40:03] the whole thing just seems like I understand
[00:40:05] the utility for 41 and 42, even for
[00:40:07] 43 and 44, um
[00:40:09] I just, I hope we go back to a place where we can do something
[00:40:11] that is just a little bit nicer
[00:40:13] where Charlie can like, or just do it like
[00:40:15] do it the next day, do it
[00:40:17] in an hour, like, like, like the immediate
[00:40:19] bringing the background and bringing
[00:40:21] out the dominoes, it's just like, it's not
[00:40:23] I don't, I don't like it, that's my, that's my
[00:40:25] diatribe right now. Well but I think
[00:40:27] that that's a really popular opinion
[00:40:29] So I would hope that because so many people
[00:40:31] share that opinion, something would
[00:40:33] be done about it? You never know
[00:40:35] but I do think that I'm happy
[00:40:37] to continue to pound that drum that
[00:40:39] I also absolutely agree with what both
[00:40:41] of you are saying, for both just the
[00:40:43] not knowing what the hot moments are and just
[00:40:45] watching the two losers
[00:40:47] sorry to these that were
[00:40:49] the- I thought you were gonna say Yanu
[00:40:51] place finisher, yeah all the losers
[00:40:53] speaking of again, Jeff Probst comic moments
[00:40:55] Spicy Jeff, holy moly
[00:40:57] always, but like it just breaks
[00:40:59] my heart and it is uncomfortable and it's
[00:41:01] uncomfortable not in a fun way, it's just
[00:41:03] just uncomfortable, like I
[00:41:05] really, really strongly dislike
[00:41:07] the after show and shout out to
[00:41:09] anyone who's had to sit in that position
[00:41:11] and have to just take
[00:41:13] it not knowing, not being able
[00:41:15] to process like everything that happened
[00:41:17] and to be able to actually sit there and speak, I would
[00:41:19] probably just walk off set, I would
[00:41:21] not even be there, so I
[00:41:23] agree, scrap it, throw it away, throw it in the garbage
[00:41:25] recycle, reuse, we're kiki
[00:41:27] can I make it a little bit better?
[00:41:29] no, because- okay, well
[00:41:31] one to one, I break the tie
[00:41:33] yes, so
[00:41:35] yeah, I mean, I think
[00:41:37] that we
[00:41:39] need to steer more into doing referential
[00:41:41] material, RuPaul's Drag Race which is
[00:41:43] near and dear to my heart, loves to do it
[00:41:45] could we do? Because this is something
[00:41:47] that I noticed a couple times this season
[00:41:49] what if like
[00:41:51] the feast afterwards is alright
[00:41:53] we're gonna bring in pizza, bring in soda
[00:41:55] and then every single season, soda
[00:41:57] comes out from season 46 and just
[00:41:59] is there. She is the pork
[00:42:01] chop of this, just kinda standing there, she can sing
[00:42:03] a song about the season and they
[00:42:05] make the joke every single season
[00:42:07] and whether they know
[00:42:09] soda or not, they don't understand the bit
[00:42:11] they're saying who is this other person
[00:42:13] is this a twist? Did they actually
[00:42:15] win? It would be near and dear to my
[00:42:17] heart if they tried stuff like that
[00:42:19] it's one of those things that like the first time it's funny
[00:42:21] and the second time it's a little bit funnier
[00:42:23] and the third time it's hysterical
[00:42:25] the third time I'm losing my mind
[00:42:27] how funny that is. I mean any kind
[00:42:29] of modification, at this point maybe that would
[00:42:31] help, you know, maybe her singing a song
[00:42:33] about each person would help. I know she said that I think
[00:42:35] on something that I read, when anybody would come
[00:42:37] in from Ponderosa, she wrote their own song
[00:42:39] when they came in
[00:42:41] See that'd be great, like Jeff hates
[00:42:43] rites of passage, it would work if Soda sung it
[00:42:45] Yeah
[00:42:47] That's a very funny, I wanna
[00:42:49] extrapolate on that, I'm picturing
[00:42:51] the season 45 like a two
[00:42:53] sentence little song about each person
[00:42:55] as we're going through like a
[00:42:57] little montage, that's very funny
[00:42:59] I have to get some writers in on that cause that's really funny
[00:43:01] Yeah, Soda's
[00:43:03] an asscap I believe now from the fact that
[00:43:05] they made that song and it became
[00:43:07] permissionally licensed so listen
[00:43:09] well you know who we can't bring in
[00:43:11] to write the song so
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[00:45:43] I think she stopped watching
[00:45:45] I think she pulled out
[00:45:47] I think she got a couple episodes in
[00:45:49] Which I'm not saying this is right
[00:45:51] Rightfully so, the season gets really, really, really good
[00:45:53] I think that she
[00:45:55] I think she stopped watching
[00:45:57] and then they scrambled and didn't know what to do
[00:45:59] She can't remember anybody
[00:46:01] She only watched up to week 3 or 4
[00:46:03] Give it to, I don't know, Adam
[00:46:05] Well, Adam's not here. There's no Adam
[00:46:07] I think that's the situation that we're in
[00:46:09] I think that's the situation that we're in
[00:46:11] I think that's the situation they ran into
[00:46:13] and Jeff said, alright
[00:46:15] Let's press statement and let's just, let's kill it
[00:46:17] What is, I don't know what the utility is
[00:46:19] for Jeff to pull the plug
[00:46:21] If there's not another thing
[00:46:23] Cause it's not like
[00:46:25] counter-programming, it's not like
[00:46:27] Alright, well, this is something that the players
[00:46:29] are clearly playing for
[00:46:31] and therefore they're not playing the game
[00:46:33] I know everyone was accusing Banu of doing that
[00:46:35] but like, I truly do not think someone would do that
[00:46:37] So I think that it was from Sia
[00:46:39] I'm not a financier
[00:46:41] but is there also not a chance that she's looking at her bank statements
[00:46:43] and she's like, I don't know if I could keep giving out
[00:46:45] like $150,000
[00:46:47] twice a year
[00:46:49] every year from now on
[00:46:51] Yeah, it was like a million dollars she'd give it out
[00:46:53] or something like that, right?
[00:46:55] That's wild
[00:46:57] But she also, I feel like, and forgive me if I'm misspeaking here
[00:46:59] but there have been seasons where she has not given
[00:47:01] 100k and just divvied up a couple 15s
[00:47:03] Yeah
[00:47:05] Or, you know, I know from just
[00:47:07] from Jake, Caleb, and Katerra
[00:47:09] like they had a party at Sia's house
[00:47:11] She can still invite them to the party
[00:47:13] Like there doesn't need to be
[00:47:15] We can just have the Sia participation trophy award
[00:47:17] where you just hang out
[00:47:19] at my house with, you know, I don't know who
[00:47:21] See, that sounds weirder to me
[00:47:23] of like, alright, you get given money by Sia
[00:47:25] or you get invited to a Gatsby-like shindig
[00:47:27] at her mansion in LA
[00:47:29] for one night only
[00:47:31] Terry Hatcher is there
[00:47:33] I think it was like a real who's who of Hollywood
[00:47:35] I mean, I think that's awesome
[00:47:37] but I would bet that she just didn't
[00:47:39] I think she just didn't take to it
[00:47:41] which is interesting that like
[00:47:43] I know she obviously watched Island of the Idols
[00:47:45] which is like, in the seasons where she's been giving out the money
[00:47:47] that would be the logical like, I'm gonna stop watching this
[00:47:49] but I think maybe she felt so compelled by the story
[00:47:51] that she wanted to reward the people
[00:47:53] who were the heroes of that story
[00:47:55] But now, I think she just didn't watch it
[00:47:57] Or, could it be something
[00:47:59] where Sia says
[00:48:01] how dare these little assholes
[00:48:03] these little assholes
[00:48:05] mention Metallica
[00:48:07] mention Taylor Swift, you know what?
[00:48:09] That can be their sugar daddies
[00:48:11] they can pay out, I'm out
[00:48:13] why wasn't there a Sia song battle?
[00:48:15] Should we do, should we right now
[00:48:17] the three of us see how many Sia songs we can name?
[00:48:19] Is that anything?
[00:48:21] Okay
[00:48:23] We'll just go in a little, in a circle
[00:48:25] Okay, Elastic Heart
[00:48:27] Okay, I'll go
[00:48:29] Chandelier
[00:48:31] What's that?
[00:48:33] Alive
[00:48:35] Mmhmm, mmhmm
[00:48:37] Um
[00:48:39] This might end pretty quickly
[00:48:41] What's the one
[00:48:46] Cheap Thrills
[00:48:48] That's one, right?
[00:48:50] I'm gonna say Titanium
[00:48:52] Did she do Titanium?
[00:48:54] I think it was her and David Guetta
[00:48:56] Okay, or she was like featured on it
[00:48:58] I don't remember
[00:49:00] I have Unstoppable, and then I am now Stoppable
[00:49:02] Those are the ones that I know
[00:49:04] The ones that mention, I do not know in other words
[00:49:06] Yeah, I'm out
[00:49:08] So, uh oh
[00:49:10] We're part of the problem y'all
[00:49:12] You can't get to 108
[00:49:14] We're part of the problem
[00:49:16] Well I did try to go through
[00:49:18] Sia's tweets, like her likes
[00:49:20] and her tweets
[00:49:22] to see if there's any mention of Survivor
[00:49:24] in like the past five or six months
[00:49:26] I don't see anything
[00:49:28] Is she still on Twitter?
[00:49:30] I think that's an incredibly bad decision on her part
[00:49:32] Yeah, she's had some questionable
[00:49:34] I mean she has a lot of questionable things
[00:49:36] but I wasn't invited to the party
[00:49:38] You know it's funny
[00:49:40] when we were on the island
[00:49:42] we talked about the Sia money
[00:49:44] and the conversation I remember vividly was like
[00:49:46] you can't ever mention it
[00:49:48] in a place where they can't edit around it
[00:49:50] because then the meta is gone
[00:49:52] and then it can't happen
[00:49:54] I remember us having that conversation
[00:49:56] I don't think, also I want to close out
[00:49:58] I don't think that Sia and Banu caused this
[00:50:00] I do think that maybe
[00:50:02] during those episodes it just didn't seem like
[00:50:04] the season maybe would take off
[00:50:06] in the trajectory that it did
[00:50:08] It would still be good
[00:50:10] It didn't seem like it would be great
[00:50:12] Maybe we need the Tyler Perry money
[00:50:14] The Rob Schneider money
[00:50:16] Oh, I forgot he's bad
[00:50:18] Tyler Perry!
[00:50:20] Much better
[00:50:22] That's the other question
[00:50:24] Who will be our savior?
[00:50:26] We need a hero in this moment
[00:50:28] Who is going to be
[00:50:30] our celebrity benefactor to step in
[00:50:32] and start giving out money to these contests
[00:50:34] because that's the other thing
[00:50:36] We want people doing wackadoo things
[00:50:38] in preparation for season 50
[00:50:40] and getting cast but maybe a little bit of something
[00:50:42] on the side will help as well
[00:50:44] Is that person now Q?
[00:50:46] I know Q wants to give his cameo money
[00:50:48] to another cast member
[00:50:50] I think that's awesome, I love it
[00:50:52] I hope Jelinski's a couple
[00:50:54] thousand dollars richer at the end of the next couple of weeks
[00:50:56] I do love that
[00:50:58] because the Sia money
[00:51:00] I think something else that didn't help was like
[00:51:02] we were all predicting like, okay
[00:51:04] it's someone who has a nice story
[00:51:06] it's someone who's probably an underdog
[00:51:08] Q, there is no
[00:51:10] syllabus
[00:51:12] Remember this is the man who said
[00:51:14] it was a big mistake to be both
[00:51:16] bad at hide and seek and good at hide and seek
[00:51:18] There is absolutely
[00:51:20] no criteria you could think of
[00:51:22] as to what this man is going to do
[00:51:24] to give away money to other people
[00:51:26] That's what makes it fun
[00:51:28] Yeah, he might be
[00:51:30] the benefactor, he may be
[00:51:32] the money... I'm waiting
[00:51:34] I expected when I saw that announcement that something else
[00:51:36] was coming, like if they had an official vote
[00:51:38] or something, you know, right now
[00:51:40] in the time that I've been a fan of Survivor
[00:51:42] we're trying more stuff out right now
[00:51:44] than we ever have, so I figured maybe there's a fan
[00:51:46] vote for 50 grand or something
[00:51:48] bringing back something they did in the past
[00:51:50] from Sprint or something. Is Sprint...
[00:51:52] Are we still doing Sprint?
[00:51:54] I was about to ask, has Sprint
[00:51:56] stopped walking?
[00:51:58] Maybe they merged with somebody
[00:52:00] I have not seen a Sprint
[00:52:02] I think I bought out, right?
[00:52:04] As a result of the merger with T-Mobile
[00:52:06] Sprint's CDMA network was completely shut down
[00:52:08] on May 31st, 2022
[00:52:10] Okay, yeah, there we go
[00:52:12] Google is in the shit lately, but I do appreciate
[00:52:14] that if I just type in, is Sprint dead
[00:52:16] into a search bar that it produced
[00:52:18] We figured it out
[00:52:20] We heard the news, Sprint, I'm so sorry
[00:52:22] But yeah, now there's just no... I guess there's no...
[00:52:24] The meta is gone, you know, I hope 47
[00:52:26] They don't know! 47, they're out there saving animals
[00:52:28] They're out there, you know, they're out there
[00:52:30] talking about the chandelier, but they're not
[00:52:32] getting the coin. Maybe we get like UFOS money
[00:52:36] Like UFOS has been the one that's been
[00:52:38] doing like the post-first act
[00:52:40] commercials, right? Yeah
[00:52:42] Very consumer cellular, very in the same style
[00:52:44] as those commercials
[00:52:46] Is that...
[00:52:48] Is that going to require more feed stuff?
[00:52:50] Like, are you going for UFOS money
[00:52:52] if you're like, get a look at these
[00:52:54] games?
[00:52:56] UFOS is a shoe company! Yes, they make
[00:52:58] the shoes, I believe
[00:53:00] Yeah, I mean you can do that
[00:53:02] on your own time. I mean that's...
[00:53:04] Listen, there's a market. Survivor fans
[00:53:06] are, you know, we've seen them
[00:53:08] They're out there. Which by the way, I put this
[00:53:10] out on Club Condo, but I do believe Liz
[00:53:12] went out of the game without shoes on as well
[00:53:14] Austin style
[00:53:16] I don't know if she lost
[00:53:18] her shoes or she just refuses to wear
[00:53:20] them, but seemingly every major Survivor
[00:53:22] occasion she has gone shoeless
[00:53:24] Victims are real, you know
[00:53:26] I've always said that
[00:53:28] I live by that
[00:53:30] Oh man, I'd love
[00:53:32] to see Liz on Big Brother, now the more that I think
[00:53:34] about it. Yeah, you know what?
[00:53:36] When they had renewed Celebrity
[00:53:38] Big Brother for the third time
[00:53:40] I had thought that like, Celebrity Big Brother
[00:53:42] format lends itself very well to having
[00:53:44] the same kind of season
[00:53:46] of The Amazing Race where they had everybody from the three
[00:53:48] shows do a Celebrity Big Brother and throw
[00:53:50] a couple people from every show in there and just see what happens
[00:53:52] I would much prefer that to
[00:53:54] celebrities. I mean, the celebrity, like we've really
[00:53:56] exhausted the celebrity, you know
[00:53:58] the file holder for who we can get
[00:54:00] and Liz is my first nomination
[00:54:02] if we do that. I want more Liz. And then you know what Liz?
[00:54:04] There's food that you can eat
[00:54:06] They have a shopping list. Hopefully
[00:54:08] hopefully in day-to-day food
[00:54:10] No Applebee's, but you know
[00:54:12] it's out there
[00:54:14] Imagine Liz on Slop. Can she even eat Slop?
[00:54:16] I don't think so. I'm pretty
[00:54:18] sure she can't
[00:54:20] But then like there's gonna be a Q
[00:54:22] type on the show that will make her a have-not
[00:54:24] for the entire season
[00:54:26] Oh no
[00:54:28] That's just
[00:54:30] like, think about that
[00:54:32] that that happened this season
[00:54:34] Like this has to be
[00:54:36] probably the memiest season
[00:54:38] of Survivor that I've ever seen in my life
[00:54:40] Like so much stuff has caught on
[00:54:42] like wildfire between
[00:54:44] A Million Hearts, between Big Mistake
[00:54:46] Cancel Christmas, I'm pissed
[00:54:48] Just the Idol After Idol
[00:54:50] stuff and the fact that I do believe
[00:54:52] Listen, I'm not a TikTok person but I do believe
[00:54:54] they segmented out Liz's
[00:54:56] Applebee's meltdown and it went viral
[00:54:58] Like it is just an
[00:55:00] absolutely objectively ridiculous
[00:55:02] thing that happened on our television screen this spring
[00:55:04] Well what's interesting that you bring up
[00:55:06] on TikTok is I've seen now
[00:55:08] more viral TikToks
[00:55:10] of Survivor 46 than I've seen of any other
[00:55:12] current season. Like every once in a while
[00:55:14] Kelly, the Wentworth Does Not Count
[00:55:16] will go viral. I've seen Caleb's thing go viral
[00:55:18] The Dead Grandmother's viral
[00:55:20] But like multiple things. The Hide and Seek was viral
[00:55:22] Everybody Standing on the Dog Houses
[00:55:24] had 2 million likes
[00:55:26] The Alphabet Game is
[00:55:28] like an absolute scripted comedy
[00:55:30] scene
[00:55:32] Just recently Charlie posted a TikTok about
[00:55:34] losing. He was in the shower. He was wet
[00:55:36] That had 400,000
[00:55:38] 300,000 likes. Who knows
[00:55:40] if that's a combination. A little bit of comedy
[00:55:42] a little bit of Gollum B
[00:55:44] Survivor has taken on a new
[00:55:46] thing that I have not seen in the time
[00:55:48] especially the new era thing
[00:55:50] The time that I've been around
[00:55:52] It seems like this has a whole new audience
[00:55:54] that it's caught. And there are people everyday finding
[00:55:56] the show that they found it through COVID
[00:55:58] and now they're watching the current ones. Everybody who watched through COVID
[00:56:00] watched 1 to 4. Now we're catching up to
[00:56:02] people watching primetime TV
[00:56:04] I saw the reality TV fan
[00:56:06] tweet that Survivor is the biggest show
[00:56:08] something something
[00:56:10] They were number 1
[00:56:12] in I believe a couple of key demos
[00:56:14] like 18 to 49
[00:56:16] 31 to 49 etc
[00:56:18] For the first time Survivor has been the number
[00:56:20] 1 show since the Australian Outback
[00:56:22] Maybe it speaks to the state of broadcast
[00:56:24] TV nowadays. Maybe it speaks to the state of Survivor
[00:56:26] or maybe it speaks to both but still
[00:56:28] for the first time in 20 plus years
[00:56:30] it was number 1 in those key demos
[00:56:32] Crazy! How cool is that?
[00:56:34] It's so cool. It's all thanks to you
[00:56:36] and Delta
[00:56:38] American Idol is about to get cancelled for the second time
[00:56:40] They've left 2 American Idols
[00:56:42] for one
[00:56:44] continuous Survivor streak
[00:56:46] I can't believe it
[00:56:48] On the island, I said it before or after
[00:56:50] It's the best show on TV. It's been the best show on TV
[00:56:52] I can't believe that
[00:56:54] And I'm so glad that people like it
[00:56:56] I'm so glad everybody loves it because it's so good
[00:56:58] It's so good and it only gets better
[00:57:00] Now we have a whole new season
[00:57:02] People who are out there right now hanging out
[00:57:04] I'm so excited to see a lot of those people
[00:57:08] On that note, I actually do want to ask about
[00:57:10] the legacy of 46
[00:57:12] and Kenzie in particular
[00:57:14] 47 obviously doesn't know how it ends
[00:57:16] but 48 will have
[00:57:18] and I'm intrigued because there
[00:57:20] certainly has been a lot of back and forth
[00:57:22] after this finale outcome
[00:57:24] about what is Kenzie's win-win
[00:57:26] for the season, how strong is her game
[00:57:28] etc. etc. Do you think
[00:57:30] there is anything to take away through
[00:57:32] what she was able to do
[00:57:34] or maybe even what this final four was
[00:57:36] able to do in the realm of
[00:57:38] all the big threats kept taking each other out
[00:57:40] and as Jeff kept saying
[00:57:42] who would have predicted that these four, these five
[00:57:44] would be the last ones standing
[00:57:46] Right, I mean think about
[00:57:48] what's the major narrative that you would walk away
[00:57:50] from the season and I do feel it's
[00:57:52] turning on your number one ally
[00:57:54] to be the number one narrative
[00:57:56] however that doesn't necessarily
[00:57:58] have anything to do per se with our final
[00:58:00] five. I really didn't feel that
[00:58:02] I felt that earlier in the merge
[00:58:04] I didn't really feel it in the final five
[00:58:06] so when you talk about Kenzie's
[00:58:08] win, I don't think people are going to be like
[00:58:10] remember that time she was going to turn on Tiffany and then didn't
[00:58:12] turn on Tiffany and then Tiffany went home
[00:58:14] that doesn't seem to be part of the discussion
[00:58:16] I think then is it more about
[00:58:18] her social game? Is it
[00:58:20] more about the
[00:58:22] jury's reaction to Charlie?
[00:58:24] I actually don't even know what the major
[00:58:26] takeaway is from the finale that if you're thinking
[00:58:28] like oh okay I have to make sure I don't
[00:58:30] do this on the island
[00:58:32] when I go to play
[00:58:34] Yeah, it's interesting. I thought that the narrative
[00:58:36] coming out of 45 was like the re before
[00:58:38] the lock your people in
[00:58:40] and run with them and now the people
[00:58:42] who are on 47 right now saw
[00:58:44] quite a bit of 46 where you're turning
[00:58:46] on your allies so I think people are going
[00:58:48] in with
[00:58:50] two competing ideas
[00:58:52] that we don't know what is going to
[00:58:54] overtake the other but I do think like a Kenzie
[00:58:56] is a great example of you don't have to be
[00:58:58] the move maker just be around the move makers
[00:59:00] be around them and make them like you
[00:59:02] and then they're going to gun for each other, egos
[00:59:04] go for egos and then if you're there
[00:59:06] and you're the shoulder to cry on when the
[00:59:08] egos are upset that they lost their person or the egos
[00:59:10] are on a high because they got
[00:59:12] out the person they wanted, you're cooking
[00:59:14] you're absolutely cooking and I wonder
[00:59:16] if the meta of 47 is going to be
[00:59:18] let's lock in the group and you know no
[00:59:20] whole, what's the saying? No whole
[00:59:22] bard? Yeah. Let's just go
[00:59:24] for it when we have to go for it but this is, we know
[00:59:26] this works if we can all just not go
[00:59:28] for each other then we're chilling for a little bit
[00:59:30] I completely agree that like I
[00:59:32] think it's tough to like put Kenzie up
[00:59:34] like between Dee and Jam Jam who I
[00:59:36] think were both two unique winners in like
[00:59:38] the powers they will to influence but I feel
[00:59:40] like if you look at Kenzie's game it's not too dissimilar
[00:59:42] from like some other new era
[00:59:44] winners that we have done right which is just this idea
[00:59:46] of like don't stick yourself out
[00:59:48] too far in front, have a couple
[00:59:50] of things you may want to claim but then also
[00:59:52] at the end of the day like make the jury
[00:59:54] like you and I thought Kenzie actually did from
[00:59:56] our perspective a really good job in that
[00:59:58] finale of like she didn't overextend herself
[01:00:00] right? She admitted Soda's point of like
[01:00:02] yeah sometimes I didn't necessarily
[01:00:04] make the moves but then she'll own up to other things
[01:00:06] like after I was betrayed by
[01:00:08] Chew I then brought him in to make sure he
[01:00:10] trusted me so I could get rid of him so
[01:00:12] it does feel like maybe a bit of a deviation
[01:00:14] back to that median that we got with
[01:00:16] maybe those first three new era winners as
[01:00:18] to like what's a good prototypical
[01:00:20] method to at least make your way to the end of
[01:00:22] the game. I think
[01:00:24] though okay this is maybe because I'm
[01:00:26] tainted because of the online discourse
[01:00:28] but I almost feel like the takeaway from
[01:00:30] everybody who's talking about it is like
[01:00:32] Charlie was robbed, Charlie was robbed
[01:00:34] so then do you really walk away
[01:00:36] with thinking like oh social game is the way to
[01:00:38] go even like I don't know it's
[01:00:40] complicated because I feel like okay so Kenzie won
[01:00:42] and obviously executed this
[01:00:44] you know even Charlie's giving her flowers look
[01:00:46] she deserved to win blah blah blah yada yada yada
[01:00:48] but if you're participating in the online discourse
[01:00:50] I almost feel like you have the opposite takeaway
[01:00:52] where instead of like taking away with like oh
[01:00:54] you're this is the blueprint
[01:00:56] to win I almost feel like
[01:00:58] the blueprint to win is Charlie
[01:01:00] but just do it slightly better
[01:01:02] like in terms of the managing the social
[01:01:04] game because it's like well this is the person who
[01:01:06] should have won
[01:01:08] or whatever so I don't
[01:01:10] know I actually that's why I think I'm more confused
[01:01:12] about like this is the clear takeaway if I'm gonna
[01:01:14] go play survivor because I think that there's sort of these
[01:01:16] battling narratives of two different play styles
[01:01:18] in the finals with two people
[01:01:20] who very easily could have walked away with a win
[01:01:22] yeah I like that a lot I like
[01:01:24] the idea like so like strategy heavy
[01:01:26] strategy like could win and some
[01:01:28] would say should win but like social
[01:01:30] wins like social will win and social
[01:01:32] will win you know if you're stacked up against the
[01:01:34] right people social will I think always
[01:01:36] have an edge over somebody who plays
[01:01:38] beautifully strategically because I think you know
[01:01:40] strategic lends itself to people being more mad at you
[01:01:42] like social you know you have
[01:01:44] you know somebody like Kenzie who like you know
[01:01:46] are in queue whatever but like if people
[01:01:48] you know they tussle but otherwise like you're
[01:01:50] riding clean to the end and I you know
[01:01:52] I think Charlie's exactly right you know despite being
[01:01:54] super upset when he says it it's like you know the winner is supposed to
[01:01:56] win you know Michelle's supposed to win
[01:01:58] Kenzie's supposed to win you know
[01:02:00] and I think that you know on a second round
[01:02:02] I don't know how you modify the
[01:02:04] super strategic game or on a first round for
[01:02:36] you know you're saying what's true and that
[01:02:38] endures you know making Soda feel like
[01:02:40] she's right is I think getting
[01:02:42] Soda's vote more so than you know
[01:02:44] or a way to get Soda's vote rather
[01:02:46] right and it's not a hard and fast rule
[01:02:48] where you know sometimes you shouldn't
[01:02:50] overextend yourself we saw that with kind of the
[01:02:52] adverse reaction to Cassidy
[01:02:54] but at the same time sometimes you don't want to
[01:02:56] necessarily undersell the stuff that you were
[01:02:58] doing either so it really depends on the person you're
[01:03:00] talking to and I do think that where
[01:03:02] Kenzie was able to benefit in that it seems that
[01:03:04] she did have these like one-on-one connections
[01:03:06] with everybody where I would imagine
[01:03:08] at least on paper she may have understood
[01:03:10] like where everyone's
[01:03:12] inclinations lie where it's like okay this
[01:03:14] would be the type of answer that you would want
[01:03:16] to hear which again doesn't necessarily
[01:03:18] work for everybody they want some authenticity
[01:03:20] there and that's what's kind of wonder at the end of the day
[01:03:22] I mean we're asking what the takeaway is though
[01:03:24] but obviously for me
[01:03:26] the main takeaway that people are going to bring
[01:03:28] is play your fucking
[01:03:30] idols you know like
[01:03:32] this is the first time I think in
[01:03:34] survivor history where nobody
[01:03:36] in the final five ever touched
[01:03:38] a hidden immunity idol which
[01:03:40] is pretty damn
[01:03:42] wild yeah
[01:03:44] I mean yeah there's no I don't know
[01:03:46] when the 47 folks left but they
[01:03:48] saw multiple idols in the pocket
[01:03:50] you got it you got it you got it
[01:03:52] even if it's just another round like burn it
[01:03:54] do what Tiffany wanted to do and just you know say
[01:03:56] you got it and burn it
[01:03:58] I think that that's or you know innovate
[01:04:00] a way to play with it I mean that's like
[01:04:02] we saw no like the innovation
[01:04:04] that we saw now is just not playing it which I guess
[01:04:06] gets you the leaf but like if you
[01:04:08] throw something else out there you know I
[01:04:10] think that there's always there's going to be room for more
[01:04:12] you know innovation and I wouldn't be surprised
[01:04:14] if we now see like you know
[01:04:16] rules or something like something will be modified
[01:04:18] to the idol that will make you have to play
[01:04:20] I'm sure there's
[01:04:22] the idol is hot you have to play it now
[01:04:24] it'll burn your hand
[01:04:26] there's something I can see that
[01:04:28] that's a good point yeah they could bring back
[01:04:30] serve like what they did initially with Austin
[01:04:32] and Sabaya idols of like make them
[01:04:34] timed for a certain round
[01:04:36] so it's like okay I guess I better play this thing
[01:04:38] I mean I've said this before Leanna
[01:04:40] I would imagine we might get like close
[01:04:42] to a record number of idol plays next season just
[01:04:44] as an adverse reaction of like
[01:04:46] well not gonna be a 46 here
[01:04:48] right like I'd rather play it wrong
[01:04:50] like incorrectly then go out with it in my
[01:04:52] pocket it could be a knee jerk reaction
[01:04:54] to that and especially because
[01:04:56] that's something that had like we've gotten
[01:04:58] through that before they went out to film
[01:05:00] so I definitely can see that
[01:05:02] sure all right well let's give our own knee jerk
[01:05:04] reactions to this cast as we've
[01:05:06] got a little bit more business to tend to
[01:05:08] here on the B&B we've got five
[01:05:10] more contestants that Leanna
[01:05:12] and I put preseason predictions
[01:05:14] on now as Jeff said
[01:05:16] perhaps for many this was an unpredictable
[01:05:18] final five given all of
[01:05:20] the preseason expectations leading up to it
[01:05:22] but let's see how much that was truly
[01:05:24] tested uh we'll start with Maria
[01:05:26] Leanna would you want to go first or do you want me
[01:05:28] to because we got a whole haul to go through
[01:05:30] here yeah sure I can go first so
[01:05:32] I had Maria in the finale
[01:05:34] I said that Maria was a cutthroat
[01:05:36] strategic player she turned on her
[01:05:38] allies when they became too powerful
[01:05:40] and ping pong between groups of
[01:05:42] people picking up allies left and right
[01:05:44] while this made for an impressive resume
[01:05:46] at final three her style of gameplay
[01:05:48] also rubbed some people the wrong way
[01:05:50] who felt particularly burnt by her ruthless
[01:05:52] moves she may have beaten
[01:05:54] Kenzie in final four fire making
[01:05:56] come on survivor less school
[01:05:58] but it wasn't enough to get
[01:06:00] the win she did get one
[01:06:02] jury vote from Charlie
[01:06:04] her ally was Charlie and her enemies
[01:06:06] were Gem and Hunter
[01:06:08] wow interesting spider
[01:06:10] final three essentially uh
[01:06:12] same
[01:06:14] so
[01:06:16] I said Maria's maybe
[01:06:18] not so actually losing in this case Maria's
[01:06:20] variety of life experiences are they
[01:06:22] said winning uh losing
[01:06:24] losing a Maria's variety
[01:06:26] of life experiences makes her one of the hubs
[01:06:28] of Siga she connects with Tim as a fellow
[01:06:30] parent bend over their connection to music
[01:06:32] and Gem and Maria to urge on
[01:06:34] another generation of strong
[01:06:36] badass women which makes them form
[01:06:38] the first alliance of the season between the
[01:06:40] Siga girls after being the
[01:06:42] most well connected on Siga Maria's careful
[01:06:44] steps the first half of the game leave her on the
[01:06:46] back foot at the merge losing her Siga
[01:06:48] girls plus Tim back to back
[01:06:50] pulling upon the hardest fights of her life
[01:06:52] Maria makes one of the biggest moves of the season
[01:06:54] at the final seven when random
[01:06:56] pitches he joins the Siga to take out his fellow
[01:06:58] Nami's she sells them out to get
[01:07:00] closer to the opposition and it works like a
[01:07:02] charm from there Maria skates by
[01:07:04] to the final four and
[01:07:06] she guarantees herself a spot in the final three
[01:07:08] when she wins the new final immunity
[01:07:10] challenge breaking down in tears and
[01:07:12] dedicating the victory to her family
[01:07:14] despite her comeback story Maria
[01:07:16] ultimately plays a supporting role in
[01:07:18] the final tribal council Tevin comes
[01:07:20] alive on stage leaving the former physical
[01:07:22] therapist in traction and she
[01:07:24] defends being on the losing side of so
[01:07:26] many post merge boats her closest
[01:07:28] allies were the Siga girls which were Gem
[01:07:30] and Maria and her enemy was
[01:07:32] the jury
[01:07:34] so yeah we both had a big
[01:07:36] single vote energy from
[01:07:38] Maria going on here
[01:07:40] yep yep what do you think
[01:07:42] Brandon I mean
[01:07:44] I thought Leon was from the future
[01:07:46] all the people were right in some capacity
[01:07:48] I was distracted by that but wow I mean
[01:07:50] yeah
[01:07:52] I also I think Maria played
[01:07:54] a great game I think like such
[01:07:56] a good game she's got like the sauce
[01:07:58] that you need to go super far and survive she goes
[01:08:00] super far I think any shake of this
[01:08:02] she's really really good it's unfortunate
[01:08:04] all of what's happened in the past week that I know she's gotten
[01:08:06] a lot of negative attention for the not
[01:08:08] voting for Charlie or whatever it's her prerogative
[01:08:10] to vote the way that she wants to vote it's
[01:08:12] her game it's not any of your business
[01:08:14] if you're somebody who's upset about it that's
[01:08:16] what happened and that's the you know that's the
[01:08:18] thing but I hope that that doesn't
[01:08:20] for in the fans minds who
[01:08:22] interact with and watch the show taint her
[01:08:24] really really powerful
[01:08:26] in control mafia boss game that
[01:08:28] she played I do wonder
[01:08:30] if she was in front of a jury I think it probably goes
[01:08:32] the same way that you're both predicting if she's there
[01:08:34] but I do think that you know
[01:08:36] again ten times out of ten you run this
[01:08:38] simulation back I think she is
[01:08:40] back the back half you know
[01:08:42] five and up most of those times
[01:08:44] really really she's got she's
[01:08:46] really really good yeah I agree and
[01:08:48] I will say on top of that yes I
[01:08:50] completely agree that you know the lamb
[01:08:52] basket Maria I can understand the way that things
[01:08:54] are done but look people
[01:08:56] will vote for the people they want to
[01:08:58] vote for at the end of the day and I know there's also
[01:09:00] been discourse as to like you shouldn't vote
[01:09:02] for the life or outside factors out of
[01:09:04] the game I mean we as people
[01:09:06] bring ourselves into shows like this despite the
[01:09:08] fact that they are a game and something that builds us
[01:09:10] is our why as to why
[01:09:12] we are there and so I think
[01:09:14] it is a reason certainly
[01:09:16] why people would vote for someone at the end of the day
[01:09:18] I also feel though at the same time like
[01:09:20] it's fine if Charlie does not
[01:09:22] want to necessarily engage with that either he has obviously
[01:09:24] expressed that I think due to Maria giving
[01:09:26] some discrepant reports as to the
[01:09:28] reason behind her vote he has
[01:09:30] a very kindly suggested like I
[01:09:32] just don't think we can have that connection
[01:09:34] at the moment and that's fine too
[01:09:36] look 45 is a very
[01:09:38] special exception with how much y'all have
[01:09:40] kept in each other's lives post
[01:09:42] season I think it is absolutely
[01:09:44] fine if someone you were stranded on an island
[01:09:46] with for you know 20 something days
[01:09:48] play closely with and didn't vote for you to win a million
[01:09:50] dollars it makes you feel a certain
[01:09:52] way about it to the point where you're saying I would
[01:09:54] rather not engage with this in my life I think
[01:09:56] that's healthy yeah for many
[01:09:58] years I mean I think that people who are in
[01:10:00] the social media verse they see they have 44
[01:10:02] hang out 45 hang out and I think this is the
[01:10:04] norm but like you look at any of the seasons
[01:10:06] pre 40 like this is not happening
[01:10:08] we're not all nobody's hanging out
[01:10:10] people see each other at hearts of reality
[01:10:12] RIP and then that's it for the year
[01:10:14] this is not normal and you know 26
[01:10:16] days you know Charlie's 26 Maria
[01:10:18] is not you know I don't know how old Maria
[01:10:20] is but like it's 26 days is a very brief
[01:10:22] time in your life and although this is super
[01:10:24] you know important and impactful to the rest
[01:10:26] of your life the people that are in it you know
[01:10:28] in you know there's not an
[01:10:30] obligation or anything to keep them around and Charlie
[01:10:32] is absolutely doing the right thing of like you know what it's
[01:10:34] just not doesn't serve him and it would be
[01:10:36] he'd be worse off if he you know tried to forge a
[01:10:38] relationship that he didn't feel hundo pee on so
[01:10:40] yes all respect for Charlie for not wanting
[01:10:42] to to engage there
[01:10:44] alright well let us engage with our next
[01:10:46] contestant which was of course the one
[01:10:48] and only Liz so
[01:10:50] I love Liz
[01:10:52] did not have the highest prospects
[01:10:54] for her preseason I
[01:10:56] had her going pre jury though I do believe she was
[01:10:58] the last boot right before the merge
[01:11:00] in the simulation that I ran
[01:11:02] up Liz ecstatic her
[01:11:04] silly shield is on her tribe and soda
[01:11:06] immediately gloms onto her
[01:11:08] they bring in Kevin to form the odd squad
[01:11:10] that runs the first Nami vote
[01:11:12] true to her word will get a sequence of
[01:11:14] Nami complaining about not running rewards
[01:11:16] and the food they're missing out on well then cut
[01:11:18] to Liz grinning in utter delight as she
[01:11:20] revels in their misery to quote
[01:11:22] Bane you think starvation is
[01:11:24] your ally I was born in it
[01:11:26] great reference Mike
[01:11:28] for someone who wants to live this experience by
[01:11:30] emptying the jug Liz's stomach
[01:11:32] and energy levels are quite empty towards the end of the
[01:11:34] pre merge as she ends up costing Nami
[01:11:36] Nami the last post merge challenge
[01:11:38] despite the loss the odd squad
[01:11:40] plus hunter set up an easy vote on Randon
[01:11:42] but much to their shock Randon
[01:11:44] voids all their votes with his idol and
[01:11:46] he puts his single valid vote on Liz
[01:11:48] fearing she was too much of a wild
[01:11:50] card for the tribe her closest ally
[01:11:52] was soda and her enemy was
[01:11:54] Randon okay
[01:11:56] interesting I did predict an idol play
[01:11:58] this season which was maybe a bit too far fetched
[01:12:00] yeah how dare you
[01:12:02] bonus points for that
[01:12:04] yeah I um
[01:12:06] okay so I had Liz making the
[01:12:08] jury but I also
[01:12:10] look she was BFFs with Tevin
[01:12:12] and soda for most of the game
[01:12:14] I vibe with that as well
[01:12:16] but apparently that doesn't mean much as
[01:12:18] Liz voted out soda and did not vote for
[01:12:20] Tevin to win the game
[01:12:22] perhaps Liz's erratic behavior could be
[01:12:24] explained by the fact that she can't
[01:12:26] eat anything
[01:12:28] Liz must avoid pretty much all food
[01:12:30] and anyone cutting that food
[01:12:32] lest she get a flare up due to aerosolized
[01:12:34] coconut. Liz is a wild
[01:12:36] carded tribal, almost reveals
[01:12:38] a few blind sides due to her
[01:12:40] impulsive nature combined with the lack of
[01:12:42] food slash avoidance of
[01:12:44] camp. Her allies were
[01:12:46] soda and Tevin and her enemy was
[01:12:48] food slash the island slash maybe
[01:12:50] someone on production is trying to kill her
[01:12:52] I was just, I think I
[01:12:54] was like I remember your preseason
[01:12:56] interview and I remember being so incensed
[01:12:58] that they would allow someone to go
[01:13:00] out on the island who's allergic to every
[01:13:02] food on the island. Like it just felt like a
[01:13:04] recipe for medivac
[01:13:06] disaster and also
[01:13:08] to find out about her loose wrists
[01:13:10] I like I don't know
[01:13:12] I'm still like shocked that Liz is allowed to play
[01:13:14] thank god she was. Nothing bad
[01:13:16] obviously happened because she was a fantastic
[01:13:18] character. I'm happy that she was out there but my preseason
[01:13:20] prediction was 100% rooted in the fact that
[01:13:22] who the fuck let her play?
[01:13:24] I'm still so confused about
[01:13:26] the loose rigaments. Was she walking around
[01:13:28] like Mr. Burns the entire time?
[01:13:30] Is it just that her hands
[01:13:32] can't be tautly connected to her body?
[01:13:34] We need to go back and rewatch
[01:13:36] and look for that. Wait a minute!
[01:13:38] If she walks around
[01:13:40] like this and she claims she's a millionaire
[01:13:42] did she want to play like Mr. Burns?
[01:13:44] Is this the closest anyone's ever
[01:13:46] come to playing like Mr. Burns on Survivor?
[01:13:48] She has a similar eccentric
[01:13:50] nature.
[01:13:52] The thing that
[01:13:54] this season
[01:13:56] people have texted me the most casuals that I know
[01:13:58] who watch the show, who've always watched the show
[01:14:00] is how did Liz
[01:14:02] think this was a good idea to have Liz who's allergic to everything
[01:14:04] be here? And my question, I still don't
[01:14:06] have an answer. I don't know. I feel like that
[01:14:08] would have been a deal breaker. I didn't tell
[01:14:10] them I had scoliosis.
[01:14:12] Not that I thought it was going to affect anything but I don't know.
[01:14:14] You never know.
[01:14:16] I'm so glad she was there.
[01:14:18] You're exactly right. Oh my god.
[01:14:20] I am more...
[01:14:22] She's so good. She's such a good
[01:14:24] TV character and again
[01:14:26] we don't know what the returning prospects are like
[01:14:28] but if Liz Watson
[01:14:30] in again, I want Liz back
[01:14:32] doing this again.
[01:14:34] And again you talk about that authenticity.
[01:14:36] She had, I think for me
[01:14:38] one of the most visceral reactions
[01:14:40] to a fire-making loss that I've seen were
[01:14:42] for lack of a better term, she was pissed.
[01:14:44] She's hugging Kenzie and rolling her eyes
[01:14:46] and like she does end up crying
[01:14:48] but it's kind of played a bit ludicrously.
[01:14:50] Like, I had all y'all beat!
[01:14:52] Everyone's like...
[01:14:54] So Liz went out in the most Liz
[01:14:56] way possible and it was truly incredible.
[01:14:58] Also, I made a
[01:15:00] note to say this and I forgot. Nobody got
[01:15:02] the really nice music to get
[01:15:04] burned out at this season. Yes!
[01:15:06] Did Maria get close to it?
[01:15:08] No! I looked this morning
[01:15:10] because I made the note when we
[01:15:12] watched the other night. I was like, oh that's interesting.
[01:15:14] Because the fifth, like Julie got it. Julie was the person
[01:15:16] who tried to get it. And nobody got it.
[01:15:18] Nobody got the very like...
[01:15:20] I think it's called Human by David Benetcourt.
[01:15:22] But this season
[01:15:24] no Siamani, no really nice music.
[01:15:26] Alright.
[01:15:28] Well speaking of music, maybe someone that can fill in
[01:15:30] that soundtrack for that fifth place finisher.
[01:15:32] Liana, talk about
[01:15:34] again, wacky characters that especially made an
[01:15:36] impression on the preseason. How did you
[01:15:38] think Ben was going to do?
[01:15:40] Okay, so I had Ben making the jury.
[01:15:42] I said that Ben
[01:15:44] is the editor's go-to contestant
[01:15:46] when it comes to new catchphrases.
[01:15:48] We get to hear let's go shred a fire,
[01:15:50] shreditating and surviving
[01:15:52] in his confessionals.
[01:15:54] I was so happy by the way we finally got Transcendental Shreditation
[01:15:56] like right there at the end.
[01:15:58] He dropped that bomb to me in the
[01:16:00] preseason interview and we didn't get it the entire time.
[01:16:02] Last minute.
[01:16:04] Game wise though,
[01:16:06] Vibing Chill Ben struggles
[01:16:08] with the fast-paced and erratic gameplay of the
[01:16:10] season because he never solidifies
[01:16:12] any strong alliances. He's an early
[01:16:14] and easy vote early merge
[01:16:16] on the plus side Ben crushes
[01:16:18] it as Cogsworth in Tevin's
[01:16:20] production of Beauty and the Beast which
[01:16:22] earns him the Sia money after
[01:16:24] the season.
[01:16:26] His ally was Mariah, his
[01:16:28] enemy was Maria and
[01:16:30] I'm sorry Ben.
[01:16:32] Liana, you're the reason why
[01:16:34] she read your prediction that
[01:16:36] I'm not getting involved in Disney.
[01:16:38] Though I still
[01:16:40] personally think, I made this call at
[01:16:42] Club Condo but I think if Sia
[01:16:44] was on the straight and narrow that if there was a 100k
[01:16:46] I think it would have gone to Ben.
[01:16:48] Like maybe
[01:16:50] had Maria maybe voted
[01:16:52] a different way maybe it would have been her
[01:16:54] because again of that
[01:16:56] in-person eulogy that she got on
[01:16:58] the way out but considering what Ben was able to
[01:17:00] do I think it would have gone to him.
[01:17:02] 100%.
[01:17:04] I'm just gonna do
[01:17:06] a little bit of this Survivor 46
[01:17:08] Jury style because I had Ben
[01:17:10] finishing in third place
[01:17:12] overall as a 0-0 finalist.
[01:17:14] I said that Ben would become
[01:17:16] the mascot of Siga, quoting the term
[01:17:18] Siga Shred complete with air guitar miming
[01:17:20] he'll easily make his way to the merge
[01:17:22] helped by Siga's challenge streak and majority
[01:17:24] on his tribe.
[01:17:26] Siga gets dismantled in the post
[01:17:28] merge causing Ben to go solo.
[01:17:30] As a result he's not seen
[01:17:32] as a chart topper on the hit list
[01:17:34] and he and Maria become an important voting
[01:17:36] block, think Jake and Katora.
[01:17:38] After getting brought to the end, cartoon character
[01:17:40] Ben will keep the jury laughing with his
[01:17:42] unique approach to the game but even though
[01:17:44] he lives life in full color
[01:17:46] the one color the jury will make sure he doesn't
[01:17:48] see is green.
[01:17:50] His closest allies were Maria and
[01:17:52] Maria and his enemy was nobody.
[01:17:54] So mean.
[01:17:56] It's very
[01:17:58] biting.
[01:18:00] Right, but biting.
[01:18:02] He's fantastic and I love again
[01:18:04] Panic Attack on Survivor
[01:18:06] to be able to talk about it freely
[01:18:08] to be able to tweet about it and engage with it online
[01:18:10] is like I have more respect for Ben
[01:18:12] than I can tell you and also
[01:18:14] I had the privilege of going to Ben's show on Thursday night.
[01:18:16] Yes, how was that?
[01:18:18] Oh my God. I mean one, Ben is
[01:18:20] a rock star.
[01:18:22] He is at the foot of the stage
[01:18:24] playing, he's got the guitar, you can
[01:18:26] lick it. The guitar is that close to the
[01:18:28] I wouldn't, but like
[01:18:30] it's that close to the audience
[01:18:32] and his band is fantastic. The whole
[01:18:34] place, you couldn't move in there. It was sold out.
[01:18:36] It's so
[01:18:38] you know, there's a, I forget who it is
[01:18:40] but there's a comedian who says like his favorite thing
[01:18:42] what makes him the most emotional in the world is to see people
[01:18:44] who are just in their element, who are just
[01:18:46] doing the thing they love and they are the best at it
[01:18:48] and he looked so happy.
[01:18:50] He was just like, you could tell. I mean this is the day
[01:18:52] after this thing happens where he knows
[01:18:54] he loses whatever, like you would expect maybe
[01:18:56] his spirits to be a little bit lower, but he was
[01:18:58] in his element.
[01:19:00] Nobody is better at that than him.
[01:19:02] It was so cool.
[01:19:04] If you follow Ben on anything
[01:19:06] and you see tickets to go, you know, see him
[01:19:08] in the place where you live, you should go.
[01:19:10] It's so much fun. His whole album about Survivor
[01:19:12] all Survivor songs. Yeah, I was going to say
[01:19:14] so like he penned a bunch of songs
[01:19:16] about Survivor or did he like change lyrics
[01:19:18] in his previously existing songs to be about
[01:19:20] Survivor? No, these are brand new songs. These are
[01:19:22] all brand new. Tears on the Beach
[01:19:24] is a song. Blindsided is a song.
[01:19:26] I believe the Blindsided has a couple more words to the name, but
[01:19:28] Tears on the Beach, like I've been humming it
[01:19:30] the whole couple days and I believe it's also on Spotify
[01:19:32] so if you search Ben Castro on Spotify, you'll see the whole album.
[01:19:34] I believe. I don't know if it's there yet or if it's
[01:19:36] coming soon
[01:19:38] but it's really, he is so good
[01:19:40] and I love him. He's a great guy. That's amazing
[01:19:42] and I believe I saw clips from Dalton Ross that at
[01:19:44] one point, it was what? It was
[01:19:46] like all of Siga except for Maria
[01:19:48] and Jalinski as the
[01:19:50] Maria surrogate on stage performing with him.
[01:19:52] Yeah, was that right? I guess I never put
[01:19:54] that back in my head. Jessica Chong was there also
[01:19:56] but it was Jessica Jalinski, all of Siga, no Maria
[01:19:58] and they sang Florida Man
[01:20:00] which is I believe his closing song where
[01:20:02] their role is just to yell Florida Man
[01:20:04] over and over and you know what?
[01:20:06] You wouldn't think that Mariah's
[01:20:08] headbanging ever. You wouldn't think that Jalinski's
[01:20:10] a headbanger but they were going hard.
[01:20:12] The videos are on Dalton's social media.
[01:20:14] You gotta go find them. They're very, very
[01:20:16] fun and they all were like, they're all having
[01:20:18] so much fun. Nobody goes on Survivor thinking you're gonna
[01:20:20] be on there with a rock star. You're gonna be on stage
[01:20:22] at the Mercury Lounge in the Lower East Side.
[01:20:24] It's so much fun. Love that.
[01:20:26] Is Survivor 46 like the most
[01:20:28] Florida Man season ever?
[01:20:30] They have a lot of, yeah. It's very, you go to
[01:20:32] Florida for a couple days and you see a lot of things that happen
[01:20:34] and a lot of Applebee's in Florida I imagine.
[01:20:36] Alright, well
[01:20:38] let's move on to Ben's partner
[01:20:40] in crime who was out there I believe headbanging
[01:20:42] alongside Jalinski and Maria.
[01:20:44] Let's talk about Charlie!
[01:20:46] So, I
[01:20:48] had Charlie making the jury appropriate
[01:20:50] as a lawyer. I said that we'll
[01:20:52] get at least one confessional about why Survivor
[01:20:54] is like running. I forgot that we really
[01:20:56] didn't focus on like, we went really hard on
[01:20:58] the swifty stuff, not on the running
[01:21:00] stuff with Charlie which I didn't necessarily
[01:21:02] expect. True to his Spencer
[01:21:04] hair and body type, Charlie will be the narrator
[01:21:06] of the dominant SIGA and flags
[01:21:08] as the biggest game bot of
[01:21:10] the cast. We'll get a lot of discourse
[01:21:12] this season along the lines of, poor
[01:21:14] Charlie being cast with all these big personalities
[01:21:16] While Charlie clicks with pretty much
[01:21:18] everyone on his tribe, he doesn't have a number one
[01:21:20] as everyone clocks his bookish perception
[01:21:22] as threatening. Luckily
[01:21:24] hitting the merge, Charlie warms himself
[01:21:26] to the other two tribes as he, Ben
[01:21:28] and Maria survive the SIGA culling
[01:21:30] Unfortunately at the final six
[01:21:32] Charlie finds an advantage and attempts
[01:21:34] to blow things up in the courtroom of Tribal
[01:21:36] Council. His truth bombs
[01:21:38] work as well as DeShawn and feeling
[01:21:40] he's a threat for the end due to not pissing
[01:21:42] anyone off, the remaining
[01:21:44] castaways convince Maria to
[01:21:46] blindside him. His closest ally
[01:21:48] is Ben! His enemy is
[01:21:50] no one except Maria at the very last second
[01:21:52] Oh!
[01:21:54] That was really good. I
[01:21:56] can't beat that, especially because
[01:21:58] I had Charlie essentially getting purpled
[01:22:00] because Sweet Baby
[01:22:02] Charlie- I'm making jury by the way
[01:22:04] Sweet Baby Charlie was just too normal
[01:22:06] for this cast of wackies. He
[01:22:08] finds it easy to make alliances but struggles
[01:22:10] with the unpredictable nature of their decision
[01:22:12] making. He faded into the background
[01:22:14] this season getting only 14
[01:22:16] confessionals. His main
[01:22:18] plot- because I thought he would be normal and they
[01:22:20] would want to focus on all the wackies and then
[01:22:22] he would like, he wouldn't get any airtime
[01:22:24] whatever, anyway. His main plot point
[01:22:26] this season is he's upset that Tevin
[01:22:28] casts him as Lumiere when he
[01:22:30] wanted to be Gaston in the Beauty and the Beast
[01:22:32] production. He sticks
[01:22:34] with his ally Maria and is
[01:22:36] her only vote in the final Tribal Council
[01:22:38] ally Maria, enemy Tevin
[01:22:40] Okay
[01:22:42] Which is interesting because doesn't Charlie give a
[01:22:44] shout out to Tevin on the jury?
[01:22:46] Yup! I would love that.
[01:22:48] That's, you know, I
[01:22:50] commend Charlie for having to deal
[01:22:52] with so much stuff which is interesting
[01:22:54] Mike to a point that you said where
[01:22:56] Charlie is this, a little bit quieter
[01:22:58] personality around all these big
[01:23:00] personalities and you had said like that would
[01:23:02] be- I forget what your exact word was
[01:23:04] but that really didn't come up
[01:23:06] nobody really made that comparison
[01:23:08] He's with, I think, the biggest characters we've seen
[01:23:10] in a long time, you know, and I think that's a testament
[01:23:12] to how he could pull in people
[01:23:14] and kind of navigate being that
[01:23:16] quieter person. I think when you have a
[01:23:18] personality that's like middle
[01:23:20] it's hard. It gives it a little bit more
[01:23:22] like, I think that because you have so many over the top
[01:23:24] it really lends itself well for Charlie's skills
[01:23:26] to kind of wrangle those folks
[01:23:28] and I think that's a super impressive thing that a lot of people
[01:23:30] can't do. I also think he's an
[01:23:32] underrated narrator, like he's low-key
[01:23:34] funny. Again, he is a
[01:23:36] seminal part of that Applebee's
[01:23:38] I'm just reading your shirt now
[01:23:40] at the Alphabet! Oh my
[01:23:42] God, I didn't even realize. Alphabet and Applebee's
[01:23:44] as like two of the funniest parts of this season
[01:23:46] but he was like a key part of that
[01:23:48] He actually has some very good soundbites
[01:23:50] so I did love his also low-key emergence
[01:23:52] and again we talked about this too, Liana
[01:23:54] that like it was only inevitable
[01:23:56] that like the zaniness of Survivor 46
[01:23:58] would come for some of the most normal people
[01:24:00] in Charlie and Maria who then turn on one another
[01:24:02] Yeah, right, exactly
[01:24:04] and I think again that that's what makes it
[01:24:06] like I'm happy that they were there, right? In order to
[01:24:08] sort of be a little bit of that balancing effect
[01:24:10] Well, last
[01:24:12] but certainly not
[01:24:14] least, let's see Red
[01:24:16] here much like her hair with
[01:24:18] Kenzie, our winner
[01:24:20] Liana, I had my listening
[01:24:22] ears on and I do believe
[01:24:24] I know where you thought she might have placed
[01:24:26] Yeah, so
[01:24:28] I had Kenzie making the finale
[01:24:30] I said that
[01:24:32] Kenzie, Jess and Tiffany form
[01:24:34] a tight three early in the game
[01:24:36] Palm frond hat game
[01:24:38] PFH gang what up
[01:24:40] which propels Kenzie all the way
[01:24:42] to finale night. When Tevin
[01:24:44] wins the final immunity, he pits
[01:24:46] social threat Kenzie against strategic
[01:24:48] threat Maria in the final four
[01:24:50] firemaking. Kenzie
[01:24:52] can't compete with Maria's firemaking
[01:24:54] skills and she is sadly eliminated
[01:24:56] right before the final three
[01:24:58] Kenzie has a montage during the game
[01:25:00] of her doing people's hair to
[01:25:02] highlight her strong social game and
[01:25:04] why she was a threat to win
[01:25:06] Her allies were Jess and Tiffany
[01:25:08] PFH gang what up
[01:25:10] and her enemy was Maria
[01:25:12] Liana, we should be calling ourselves
[01:25:14] Natalie and Nadia because guess
[01:25:16] who I had going out in fourth place
[01:25:18] in firemaking
[01:25:20] It was Kenzie
[01:25:22] So, listen, we were
[01:25:24] you know, two limp wrists away from
[01:25:26] that possibly being an outcome on this
[01:25:28] season. So, Kenzie
[01:25:30] in my opinion is the soft sweet soul
[01:25:32] of the Yanu tribe. She bonds incredibly
[01:25:34] well with Banu, helps support Jess
[01:25:36] through her cognitive struggles and gets in tight
[01:25:38] with Tiffany and Q strategically
[01:25:40] She'll have by far the best looks of the
[01:25:42] season between her hairstyles and outfits
[01:25:44] The internet will call her the toot
[01:25:46] queen of 46 which
[01:25:48] for those not in the drag race fandom feels like it has a different
[01:25:50] meaning. We'll get an onscreen call
[01:25:52] out to Carolyn as Kenzie talks to
[01:25:54] her fellow castaways about the meaning behind all
[01:25:56] of her tattoos. Living up to
[01:25:58] her self-proclaimed blabbermouth persona
[01:26:00] she ends up accidentally indicating to the
[01:26:02] opposition that Tiffany has something
[01:26:04] helping pave the way for the blind side of
[01:26:06] her number one ally. Not too
[01:26:08] dissimilar from her being like, hey we should take out
[01:26:10] Tiffany, hey never mind
[01:26:12] Now lost at the merge
[01:26:14] Kenzie finds her lobster in soda
[01:26:16] and Tevin as they vibe on their shared
[01:26:18] energy and sense of
[01:26:20] humor. When Maria wins the final
[01:26:22] immunity challenge she puts the two biggest
[01:26:24] social threats against each other and Tevin
[01:26:26] and Kenzie, unfortunately she can't
[01:26:28] hold a literal candle to him eliminating
[01:26:30] her. She'll be remembered in the style
[01:26:32] of Lauren Ashley Beck or Cara Kay
[01:26:34] as someone who would have won it all had they
[01:26:36] made it to the end but doesn't necessarily receive
[01:26:38] an edit indicating that
[01:26:40] Said her closest ally would be Tiffany
[01:26:42] then Tevin and soda and her enemy
[01:26:44] was Maria
[01:26:46] Hmm, interesting
[01:26:48] Yeah, the um
[01:26:50] so her getting like the quieter edit
[01:26:52] and not show it like not showing why she
[01:26:54] would have won. I think that that's interesting because
[01:26:56] I do think that like if Kenzie doesn't
[01:26:58] end up winning, that's a
[01:27:00] thousand percent that it that she gets like
[01:27:02] I think her edit obviously you had all of
[01:27:04] the chaos early on but I think all
[01:27:06] the especially the post merge stuff like she
[01:27:08] been up because she won she
[01:27:10] got I think got so much more content than she may have
[01:27:12] otherwise. Yeah. And to that point, how do we feel
[01:27:14] about the Kenzie edit? Because she has the most
[01:27:16] confessionals of any female player in survivor
[01:27:18] history to Leonis point. I think it's
[01:27:20] part of the double headed
[01:27:22] coin that was 90 minute episodes and her
[01:27:24] going to tribal council based
[01:27:26] or how her losing every immunity
[01:27:28] challenge except one in the pre merge.
[01:27:30] I know that some people felt it
[01:27:32] was a little too obvious that we were seeing so much
[01:27:34] of her and Ben in particular
[01:27:36] did we like
[01:27:38] this? Do we feel like this was sort of like
[01:27:40] the 2.0 of what we should have
[01:27:42] got with Michelle back in co-wrong
[01:27:44] Well, even even before
[01:27:46] the episodes had come out, I know reality
[01:27:48] family, which is very good Instagram account that has all reality
[01:27:50] TV news. They do like their who do you think
[01:27:52] it'll win a little poll, you know, and Kenzie's
[01:27:54] at the top of the pole before any episodes happen
[01:27:56] right? Yeah, and you know, so was D
[01:27:58] I think in Jam Jam is high up there like
[01:28:00] Kenzie just radiates winner
[01:28:02] to me. Kenzie has the sauce, which I think
[01:28:04] you know too late for 47. They're on the island
[01:28:06] now, but if you're going to 48 like
[01:28:08] I thought Caleb had that and in a different world
[01:28:10] Caleb does and Caleb wins the game. You know, Caleb goes
[01:28:12] far. If you see the person who just
[01:28:14] radiates the winning energy, if
[01:28:16] you just get that feeling, whatever it is
[01:28:18] the tingling your stomach, whatever vote him out.
[01:28:20] They're going to win. They're, you know, in a, you know,
[01:28:22] Caleb is a, you know, an enigma in that
[01:28:24] situation, but like they're going to win. Um
[01:28:26] so that's my that's my two cents is
[01:28:28] you know, during the episodes, it did feel
[01:28:30] a little bit obvious at a certain point, but even
[01:28:32] people thought it was obvious before we even saw
[01:28:34] the intro, you know, it was obvious
[01:28:36] weeks and weeks before the show started. So yeah,
[01:28:38] my my my lesson for 47
[01:28:40] 48 people is you're going to see
[01:28:42] the people you're going to you're going to be there. You're going to be in the
[01:28:44] hotel and in the airport or wherever you're
[01:28:46] going to see the people that just have the aura
[01:28:48] Kenzie has the aura and Kenzie's got a million dollars
[01:28:50] because of that aura, you know, um and she
[01:28:52] put in a lot of work to get there obviously, but if you have
[01:28:54] you see that natural aura time to cut
[01:28:56] it. Yeah. I mean I can confirm it. I
[01:28:58] saw it out there as well. I felt
[01:29:00] incredibly charmed by just sitting there and talking with
[01:29:02] her. She's very good at what she does. This is
[01:29:04] what she's been doing since she was 15
[01:29:06] years old as she said my thing
[01:29:08] was that I thought everyone would catch on to
[01:29:10] it, especially just watching
[01:29:12] Jam Jam did in the exact same
[01:29:14] profession. I would imagine these people would be like
[01:29:16] oh yeah, we got to get rid of that immediately and
[01:29:18] to be fair you had people like Jess and
[01:29:20] Bonu trying to do that early
[01:29:22] on and according to Q had
[01:29:24] you know, Brandon not had
[01:29:26] a bad arm. It could have been Kenzie
[01:29:28] going for that exact reason. But
[01:29:30] yeah, then she was able to really get her
[01:29:32] claws in with those dragon
[01:29:34] talons into people and really make them feel
[01:29:36] good where they were able to make
[01:29:38] it work and truly the predictions they were putting forward
[01:29:40] even as far as the preseason came true.
[01:29:42] For sure.
[01:29:44] There we go.
[01:29:46] So yeah, I would say again
[01:29:48] despite Jeff saying
[01:29:50] who could have clocked this, Liana you and I
[01:29:52] both pretty much predicted that like Maria
[01:29:54] Ben and Kenzie would all make the finale
[01:29:56] so. Yeah, I mean there's certain people
[01:29:58] I feel like that just stand out and to Brandon's
[01:30:00] point about the sparkly personality is
[01:30:02] like you just sort of immediately start
[01:30:04] to gravitate to them if you hear their preseason
[01:30:06] press and so I think those people
[01:30:08] just immediately stand out.
[01:30:10] Yeah. Okay, let's
[01:30:12] close things out not talking about our own
[01:30:14] opinions. We're going to talk about the
[01:30:16] opinions of the casuals on
[01:30:18] the Survivor Facebook page. So I have
[01:30:20] a little itty bitty game that we're going to play.
[01:30:22] Yeah, that's why we're doing a
[01:30:24] little itty bitty game.
[01:30:26] Not that many questions but
[01:30:28] we're just going to touch on essentially what the major
[01:30:30] takeaways were. Is there a Liz
[01:30:32] gif we could use to describe how the
[01:30:34] casuals are feeling about the outcome of Survivor
[01:30:36] 46? Did you see her with a knife
[01:30:38] during the fire challenge?
[01:30:40] Oh God forbid
[01:30:42] blur that, blur what I just did.
[01:30:44] Yeah.
[01:30:46] Yeah.
[01:30:48] This is going to be interesting. So we're going to
[01:30:50] play this a little bit differently than we have for
[01:30:52] Casuals Corner in the past. Essentially what I'm
[01:30:54] going to do is I'm going to read a
[01:30:56] comment and then like our Prices
[01:30:58] Roar game, we're going to have you
[01:31:00] both guess how many likes
[01:31:02] you think this comment got.
[01:31:04] And this includes likes and hearts. So
[01:31:06] essentially any sort of positive interaction
[01:31:08] with the post. And we'll
[01:31:10] see where the casuals end up
[01:31:12] when it comes to their majority opinion.
[01:31:14] So I'm going to start with
[01:31:16] the first comment and then Mike, you'll
[01:31:18] give how many likes followed by Brandon
[01:31:20] and we'll alternate. So here
[01:31:22] is comment number one.
[01:31:24] Every year
[01:31:26] people tend to forget that hashtag
[01:31:28] Survivor is a social game.
[01:31:30] Kenzie played an excellent social
[01:31:32] game and built strong relationships.
[01:31:34] She was hardly ever mentioned as a threat
[01:31:36] wasn't on anyone's radar and her
[01:31:38] win is well earned and deserved.
[01:31:40] Mike, how many likes do
[01:31:42] you think this comment got? They're
[01:31:44] not going to read all that. They're going to
[01:31:46] see the first sentence and be like no
[01:31:48] down vote angry
[01:31:50] face.
[01:31:52] Seven. Okay.
[01:31:54] Wow. That's low. Okay.
[01:31:56] Okay. Brandon, what do you think? I was going higher.
[01:31:58] I was going higher.
[01:32:00] I was going really high.
[01:32:02] Let me go with, I'm
[01:32:04] going to go 80 final answer.
[01:32:06] Okay. So Brandon
[01:32:08] is correct. He was closer. This
[01:32:10] comment actually had 122
[01:32:12] likes. Okay.
[01:32:14] All right. All right. I'm happy to have to
[01:32:16] be wrong about this one. Yeah.
[01:32:18] Okay. Now let's go on to the next
[01:32:20] comment. This comment number two.
[01:32:22] One of the worst seasons of
[01:32:24] Survivor ever. Okay. There we go.
[01:32:26] Pathetic that Charlie lost.
[01:32:28] Brandon, how many likes do you think this
[01:32:30] comment got?
[01:32:32] Okay. I've been on
[01:32:34] the Facebook there. They're not a kind people.
[01:32:36] Give me
[01:32:38] give me
[01:32:40] give me 178 final answer.
[01:32:42] Okay. 178. Mike?
[01:32:44] Oh, I'm going to go
[01:32:46] let me be a
[01:32:48] jerk in true Survivor 46 style.
[01:32:50] 179.
[01:32:52] Okay. Well being a jerk paid
[01:32:54] off. Yeah.
[01:32:56] You Brandon, you set the
[01:32:58] number so close. It's 183.
[01:33:00] Oh,
[01:33:02] so, so, so close.
[01:33:04] So unfortunately Mike gets this one from
[01:33:06] you, but you should be proud that you were that
[01:33:08] close. That's amazing. That's actually a pretty
[01:33:10] good ratio of like
[01:33:12] the hey good for Kenzie
[01:33:14] to who Charlie was robbed.
[01:33:16] I thought it'd be so much more of an exorbitant ratio.
[01:33:18] Yeah. Yes. Okay.
[01:33:20] Comment number three. It's
[01:33:22] shameful that Maria didn't vote
[01:33:24] for Charlie. She was bitter that
[01:33:26] Charlie made the final three
[01:33:28] Mike you're up first.
[01:33:30] I mean, okay, so
[01:33:32] I'm debating like is the
[01:33:34] Charlie number of likes
[01:33:36] the upper threshold but
[01:33:38] the Maria opinion is
[01:33:40] much more charged. So
[01:33:42] I'm gonna I'm gonna go with like a
[01:33:44] straight 200 and just
[01:33:46] see where we go from there. Okay.
[01:33:48] That's the exact rationale I would have used and
[01:33:50] I'm going to go higher. I'm
[01:33:52] gonna go.
[01:33:54] My number for the first one was gonna be 288
[01:33:56] which is too high, but I'll lock in 288 for right
[01:33:58] now. Okay.
[01:34:00] I don't know how you're
[01:34:02] doing this. It's 289.
[01:34:04] What? Wow. That's amazing.
[01:34:06] I was at first I was like, oh
[01:34:08] no, he's gonna overshoot it. But then
[01:34:10] no.
[01:34:12] He said he wasn't
[01:34:14] good at challenges baby. I went on the wrong show.
[01:34:16] Yes. Exactly.
[01:34:18] This is the show for me.
[01:34:20] Yeah, so that had yeah 289
[01:34:22] likes for for that comment.
[01:34:24] Wow. All right. Let's
[01:34:26] let's see if you can do it again. Comment number
[01:34:28] four is someone
[01:34:30] please confirm that Liz
[01:34:32] stood no chance at winning. She
[01:34:34] had to be delusional.
[01:34:36] Okay. Brandon, we're going to you first.
[01:34:38] I'm gonna go low again. This is now
[01:34:40] I have to get it close.
[01:34:42] I'll go like I'll go 139
[01:34:44] final answer.
[01:34:46] Okay. That's a good
[01:34:48] good number.
[01:34:50] I on the one hand
[01:34:53] I feel like Liz was kind of an afterthought
[01:34:55] in the discourse about the finale. On the other
[01:34:57] hand, Liz draws a lot of attention
[01:34:59] to herself for loving reasons.
[01:35:01] I'm still gonna
[01:35:03] shoot the under so I will say 135.
[01:35:05] Okay. And
[01:35:07] Brandon, what did you say again? I said 139.
[01:35:09] Okay.
[01:35:11] So this has
[01:35:13] 396
[01:35:15] likes.
[01:35:17] So Brandon, the point goes
[01:35:19] to you. Holy
[01:35:21] moly. Celebrating but
[01:35:23] I'm thrilled.
[01:35:25] Yeah.
[01:35:27] I was actually shocked because I
[01:35:29] expected the whole conversation to be essentially
[01:35:31] Kenzie shouldn't have won.
[01:35:33] Charlie should have won.
[01:35:35] Why didn't Maria vote for Charlie?
[01:35:37] So for Liz to get that much comment
[01:35:39] for this, I was I was very surprised.
[01:35:41] Well, you know what's interesting is that like
[01:35:43] again, not to not to turn this into a
[01:35:45] you know, dialogue about the edit.
[01:35:47] But like I did not think that
[01:35:49] Liz got a negative at all.
[01:35:51] I think Liz got a very fun like
[01:35:53] it was there are points of it I guess where
[01:35:55] you could point to like this isn't great for
[01:35:57] the casual audience. But like I didn't think it was bad.
[01:35:59] You know, but the casuals they
[01:36:01] they wrangle.
[01:36:03] They wrangle in numbers.
[01:36:05] You know, RIP.
[01:36:07] I think part of the issue is when she starts out
[01:36:09] by like the first thing we really learn about
[01:36:11] Liz is that she's a millionaire and doesn't
[01:36:13] deserve that. You know what I mean? So I think that
[01:36:15] probably God
[01:36:17] incredible that now she has finally revealed
[01:36:19] that that was all a lie that she purposely
[01:36:21] said that to go to the end and
[01:36:23] then say here are my bank
[01:36:25] statements. Here are my pay stubs.
[01:36:27] I was lying to you the whole
[01:36:29] time vote for me to win. I have
[01:36:31] no earthly clue if it would have worked with
[01:36:33] there was any cast to try it with it would have
[01:36:35] been survivor. I forgot
[01:36:37] about that. I forgot that that happened. I very
[01:36:39] safe. I've been a drill head right now.
[01:36:41] Yeah. Okay. I retracted both
[01:36:43] the pull it back. Well, you know,
[01:36:45] I want to be better at the game today
[01:36:47] with this. All right.
[01:36:49] Let's go to comment number five.
[01:36:51] As soon as Liz touched
[01:36:53] Kenzie's plank, she should have
[01:36:55] been disqualified from that contest.
[01:36:57] If I had been Charlie
[01:36:59] or Ben or Maria, I would
[01:37:01] have felt cheated out of the opportunity
[01:37:03] to compete fairly shame
[01:37:05] on the producers of the show for
[01:37:07] letting this happen. I hoped
[01:37:09] in the future. It never happens
[01:37:11] again. This will always be
[01:37:13] a tainted season.
[01:37:15] Oh, no question was the profile
[01:37:17] pick that up in a wadding him as
[01:37:19] Neptune Nella from Game of Thrones like that's
[01:37:21] love. Yeah,
[01:37:23] absolutely love the pro like the
[01:37:25] the art of Protestant
[01:37:27] nature of these comments.
[01:37:29] So it mentions Liz. I
[01:37:31] think that's at least 300 comments.
[01:37:33] I'm
[01:37:35] going to say I'll go
[01:37:37] big here. Let's say
[01:37:39] 420.
[01:37:41] That's what I was going to say.
[01:37:43] We love that.
[01:37:45] I think this is this is a good
[01:37:47] top comment. This is a good
[01:37:49] like this. I can see this at the top of
[01:37:51] the thing because it's like people are kind
[01:37:53] of split on the Maria Charlie situation,
[01:37:55] but I can see a lot of people, a lot
[01:37:57] of casuals in particular wrangling around
[01:37:59] this and it doesn't help them that it's
[01:38:01] somebody that they already dislike. Also,
[01:38:03] like I think all of this together.
[01:38:05] I don't know
[01:38:07] for 69. I'll just I'll do
[01:38:09] another meme number. Okay,
[01:38:11] well, first of all, I love
[01:38:13] both your number choices that brings me joy.
[01:38:15] But Brandon, this should
[01:38:17] bring you even more joy because this
[01:38:19] comment had 551
[01:38:21] likes. You're absolutely
[01:38:23] correct. It was the top comment
[01:38:25] on the real the like Facebook
[01:38:27] real or whatever. So yeah, you
[01:38:29] nailed it with that. It was a ton
[01:38:31] and
[01:38:33] for such a long comment to
[01:38:35] there's anything that Facebook likes more than white
[01:38:37] men. It's ethics. And so I think it just
[01:38:39] makes sense.
[01:38:41] All right. So Brandon, I think technically
[01:38:43] you you have won the game. Mike,
[01:38:45] you're mathematically eliminated, but let's close things
[01:38:47] out with our very last comment. And this is
[01:38:49] about final tribal council.
[01:38:51] Why do we care
[01:38:53] what they do with the money
[01:38:55] has nothing to do with
[01:38:57] outplay outwit
[01:38:59] or outlast
[01:39:01] close close.
[01:39:03] What do you
[01:39:05] think on this one? I mean,
[01:39:07] like that. I feel like
[01:39:09] this is like if you're watching survival for
[01:39:11] 20 years, which all the Facebook people have like, you know
[01:39:13] this is something they talk. It's just a weird
[01:39:15] I don't know. The sudden gripe about
[01:39:17] the money is just because you're upset about I feel like you want
[01:39:19] I'll go. I'm going to go low. I'm going to
[01:39:21] go 112 final answer.
[01:39:23] Okay, Mike,
[01:39:25] I'll nickel and diamond here and go
[01:39:27] 113 because I feel like well, I agree.
[01:39:29] It's pretty run-of-the-mill opinion.
[01:39:31] It's something that people are ardently
[01:39:33] stating every season like they think it's
[01:39:35] something brand new. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
[01:39:37] Well, you're both absolutely in the
[01:39:39] ballpark. This was 122. So
[01:39:41] technically the point goes to Mike, but
[01:39:43] you were both very, very, very close.
[01:39:45] Only 10 or nine away. So I'm
[01:39:47] wow. I listen. It's all it's
[01:39:49] all Brandon Brandon suggesting these random
[01:39:51] numbers. I'm just like, yeah, let's just like go a sko
[01:39:53] higher or lower. Wow. You backing off
[01:39:55] it? Yeah, I really is. Is it going to
[01:39:57] my Shelby prices? Yeah, you're
[01:39:59] the Liz. I'm the Kenzie here. I'm just like you're
[01:40:01] getting my board. I'm like, I'll just put this number
[01:40:03] in. Yeah, listen,
[01:40:05] I'll do that anytime. That was yes.
[01:40:07] Okay. Well, congratulations, Brandon.
[01:40:09] You are the winner here. I just want
[01:40:11] to read the tiebreaker comment that I had
[01:40:13] because it just makes me laugh but
[01:40:15] this casual decided
[01:40:17] to specify several does
[01:40:19] mean seven and
[01:40:21] hopefully Maria
[01:40:23] means nothing to Charlie.
[01:40:25] I gotta say
[01:40:30] like that's dating but like that's pretty
[01:40:32] damn witty. Like I gotta give up. It's like
[01:40:34] that's very good writing.
[01:40:36] Okay, well then maybe this comment
[01:40:38] goes from 84 to 85 likes
[01:40:40] if my guess is way about it.
[01:40:42] No, no, it's gonna screech out
[01:40:44] like Mike blue like this tweet saying Maria
[01:40:46] deserves nothing.
[01:40:48] Yeah. Anyway, so
[01:40:50] there that should hopefully give you
[01:40:52] a general profile of how
[01:40:54] the cat also feeling at the end of the season not
[01:40:56] add to the negativity because
[01:40:58] I think again, like what are we remembering? What
[01:41:00] are we trying to cultivate and take away?
[01:41:02] Which is like don't be mean
[01:41:04] only me. Yes. And what
[01:41:06] we are going to remember though is a
[01:41:08] very fun season at the end of the day.
[01:41:10] You know, I think I want a bit of time
[01:41:12] away to figure out like where it rates at least within my
[01:41:14] thoughts on new era
[01:41:16] seasons, but I've said it before
[01:41:18] all some cement it now that I think
[01:41:20] 45 and 46 are
[01:41:22] the most back-to-back pair of unhinged seasons
[01:41:24] we've had since my Grenada and Gabon
[01:41:26] or maybe Cagayan
[01:41:28] and San Juan del Sur like absolutely
[01:41:30] up there just a wild season
[01:41:32] from top to bottom. And I think the
[01:41:34] the ratings show
[01:41:36] like just how not even
[01:41:38] just 46 but again 45 into
[01:41:40] 46. I really do think that the new era
[01:41:42] just took a significant
[01:41:44] step forward the past two seasons, but there
[01:41:46] was due to the casting whether it was due to
[01:41:48] the elements that happened whether it was the 90
[01:41:50] minute episodes like I just
[01:41:52] feel so good
[01:41:54] about Survivor right now because we're having fun
[01:41:56] like I understand that people have their quibbles
[01:41:58] about new era structures or
[01:42:00] if people feel like I want to watch good gameplay
[01:42:02] and this season didn't have good gameplay. That's totally
[01:42:04] your prerogative, but I know Leon and I
[01:42:06] just like to come on and like shoot the
[01:42:08] shit about how wacky Survivor can
[01:42:10] be and especially this
[01:42:12] season we have been in excess
[01:42:14] with source material. For sure
[01:42:16] I mean there's no better time to be a
[01:42:18] fan of the program. You know you got Australian
[01:42:20] Survivor of That's Your Jamie got this. I mean
[01:42:22] we're all having fun and it's just
[01:42:24] a good it's good vibes all around
[01:42:26] I feel like Ben but it's like we're all just you know
[01:42:28] it wasn't always this fun. I've been around
[01:42:30] Mike's been around Leon's been around. It's
[01:42:32] sometimes is a lot less fun than this
[01:42:34] and I'm so fortunate that I get to do any
[01:42:36] of this like I get to be a part of it in these
[01:42:38] you know conversations, so I'm just I'm thrilled
[01:42:40] and I'm thrilled that we get more
[01:42:42] we have more in a couple months with people
[01:42:44] that we know. It's crazy
[01:42:46] but it doesn't matter who it is
[01:42:48] I heard a bird in the background. What's that?
[01:42:50] Leon was just making bird noises
[01:42:52] in the background. Oh that's interesting
[01:42:54] I like that a lot
[01:42:56] No I mean I'm look
[01:42:58] I'm obviously very excited for 47 overall
[01:43:00] but I think that
[01:43:02] is my biggest takeaway is that this season
[01:43:04] flew by especially doing
[01:43:06] the B&B because it's just so
[01:43:08] silly and wacky and we always had weird
[01:43:10] stuff to talk about every week
[01:43:12] because this cast wasn't giving
[01:43:14] when it came to the weird stuff
[01:43:16] so I had an absolute blast
[01:43:18] this season. I thought it was really fun
[01:43:20] Let's formally put a bow on this
[01:43:22] like we do in every B&B podcast
[01:43:24] Brandon, it's all on you right
[01:43:26] now. Bring your
[01:43:28] winning skills into
[01:43:30] going from giving us numbers to
[01:43:32] giving us a charity or cause
[01:43:34] that you feel is something to highlight
[01:43:36] for the listeners out there. Anything you want to
[01:43:38] give a spotlight to in this moment
[01:43:40] Well I did the
[01:43:42] Survivor Trivia a couple weeks ago
[01:43:44] and in that I
[01:43:46] donated the money that I won to
[01:43:48] Survivor Affirmations. His name is Dylan
[01:43:50] Doyle. If you go on Survivor.affirmations
[01:43:52] I believe that's the Instagram account
[01:43:54] He's organizing a walk for his father who
[01:43:56] passed away from ALS about 18 months
[01:43:58] ago. The walk is on
[01:44:00] Saturday
[01:44:02] We are still right under the wire if you wanted to
[01:44:04] donate, if you wanted to throw some money. ASL
[01:44:06] obviously a horrible disease. A disease that a lot
[01:44:08] of the Survivor family has seen happen to
[01:44:10] Jonathan Petty's wife
[01:44:12] Dylan has been so much
[01:44:14] fun to see the memes that he's posted
[01:44:16] Follow Survivor Affirmations if you already
[01:44:18] don't. He makes very very funny
[01:44:20] good content. And again the walk is
[01:44:22] on Saturday. We are under the
[01:44:24] wire in terms of donations so
[01:44:26] you absolutely should find your way there
[01:44:28] Any step towards
[01:44:30] curing ALS is the move
[01:44:32] for us. Yes. Listen
[01:44:34] The idea of charity may not unfortunately
[01:44:36] extend to Survivor players but I would say
[01:44:38] be the charity you wish to
[01:44:40] see in the world and
[01:44:42] give your money over to
[01:44:44] the causes that are important to you
[01:44:46] Liana if you could smirk
[01:44:48] any further I think your mouth would fall off
[01:44:50] your face. Look
[01:44:52] this is why we podcast together Mike
[01:44:54] It's for moments like this. It brings
[01:44:56] me joy. Alright well Brandon
[01:44:58] this was such a joy to have you on
[01:45:00] It was a long time coming
[01:45:02] You have such B&B energy that you carry
[01:45:04] throughout so I was so happy to have you on
[01:45:06] So happy to see you on Wednesday as well
[01:45:08] to experience it live in person
[01:45:10] to experience your first finale as like an alumni
[01:45:12] in person and obviously for various
[01:45:14] reasons to watch that 40 several preview
[01:45:16] as you mentioned but anything
[01:45:18] you would like to plug? What else do you have going on
[01:45:20] that people might want to know about? I mean
[01:45:22] nothing much. I'm just, you know, I'm around
[01:45:24] If you need me, I'll take you to the Philadelphia airport
[01:45:26] if you live around, you know, whatever you need
[01:45:28] Don't be off here as an Uber
[01:45:30] I'm so excited. It's crazy how accessible I am
[01:45:32] It was, you know, I'm just
[01:45:34] I'm having so much fun doing all of this
[01:45:36] I can't wait for Big Brother. I can't wait to just tweet
[01:45:38] for the summer and Survivor 40 Several
[01:45:40] You know, I'm super excited
[01:45:42] I'm super excited about Jon Lovett. I'm geeking over Jon Lovett
[01:45:44] I can't wait. I know I'm not supposed to say it maybe but I love
[01:45:46] Jon Lovett. I'm so excited. I mean Potsave America
[01:45:48] did make his picture their
[01:45:50] profile for the episode
[01:45:52] I think after the
[01:45:54] preview dropped so yeah and I'm pretty sure
[01:45:56] Hollywood Reporter like confirmed it
[01:45:58] so I can't say anything
[01:46:00] but I'll say a guy that looked a lot like Jon
[01:46:02] Lovett appears to be on Survivor 40 Several
[01:46:04] The best part about the Jon Lovett
[01:46:06] discourse was when it got obviously posted
[01:46:08] the preview, everybody who knows
[01:46:10] Jon Lovett was like, oh no
[01:46:12] this isn't good and I
[01:46:14] like as somebody that resonates with me
[01:46:16] for quite a bit, you know, his intro in the preview
[01:46:18] is like, I don't know what I'm doing here. I was a Cub Scout
[01:46:20] I threw up. I went home like that's like
[01:46:22] he's doing it for me. This is the first representation
[01:46:24] of Brandon Dollin in a post Brandon Dollin
[01:46:26] Survivor World and I'm so excited to see
[01:46:28] it at Jon Lovett but otherwise, you know
[01:46:30] follow me Brandon Dollin on anything I'm around
[01:46:32] if you need anything, message me
[01:46:34] I'm around always
[01:46:36] I'm also very sick. If you have Benadryl
[01:46:38] bring Benadryl, bring a Pedialyte, bring something
[01:46:40] I'm so sick
[01:46:42] Well thank you for pushing through Brandon
[01:46:44] I really appreciate that and for bringing your always
[01:46:46] sterling quips to the podcast
[01:46:48] Liana, I know
[01:46:50] that you have brought two of your shows
[01:46:52] now down to a close
[01:46:54] but you're still covering some stuff
[01:46:56] including an oft mentioned show on this particular podcast
[01:46:58] That's right
[01:47:00] Survivor might be over but the
[01:47:02] Drag Race All Stars Season 9
[01:47:04] season is in full swing
[01:47:06] We just recorded for episode 3
[01:47:08] It's been really interesting and really fun so far
[01:47:10] I actually was a little bit
[01:47:12] nervous with the cast. I didn't know how it was
[01:47:14] going to go and how they were going to vibe
[01:47:16] and also with a non elimination format
[01:47:18] like is this really what we want?
[01:47:20] But three episodes in, I'm having an absolute blast
[01:47:22] So I highly recommend checking out both the show
[01:47:24] and the podcast with Beth, Aman, and I
[01:47:26] Alright and you can check out all of the
[01:47:28] stuff I've done in the wake of Survivor
[01:47:30] 46. Of course I woke up
[01:47:32] quite early to talk with this final
[01:47:34] five and got some really
[01:47:36] fantastic interviews. Obviously
[01:47:38] a lot of stuff has been making the rounds
[01:47:40] in particular, you know, Maria explaining
[01:47:42] why she voted for Kenzie and
[01:47:44] why her why vibe is Kenzie's why
[01:47:46] Charlie as I mentioned before
[01:47:48] talking about his own reaction to the final Tribal Council
[01:47:50] and revealing maybe
[01:47:52] why him and Maria will not necessarily
[01:47:54] be in the same
[01:47:56] fictional family moving
[01:47:58] forward. It was all some really great
[01:48:00] stuff with again a cast that I have
[01:48:02] loved up and down
[01:48:04] I've been so happy to have the chance to
[01:48:06] follow this cast from interviewing
[01:48:08] them out in the early days before the game started
[01:48:10] to following them after the show. It has just been
[01:48:12] such an electric cast
[01:48:14] and I am so excited I got
[01:48:16] a chance to touch the wire
[01:48:18] I suppose for the past
[01:48:20] PSA don't touch wires people, don't do that
[01:48:22] But you can check out
[01:48:24] Survivor coverage
[01:48:26] happening in the offseason. I've got
[01:48:28] a few things up my sleeves
[01:48:30] the one I will announce right now
[01:48:32] is that I'm doing a weekly
[01:48:34] offseason podcast on Wednesdays
[01:48:36] because we're not only wearing pink we're still
[01:48:38] watching Talkin' Survivor on Wednesdays
[01:48:40] the Summer of Survivor will be an
[01:48:42] offseason podcast series where myself and Shannon
[01:48:44] Gus are just going to do something
[01:48:46] about Survivor every Wednesday
[01:48:48] We kind of have branded it
[01:48:50] behind the scenes like basically the
[01:48:52] wrap of Survivor. We'll see how
[01:48:54] far that mechanism ends up coming into
[01:48:56] actually on this Wednesday
[01:48:58] at our usual time this season of
[01:49:00] 7pm Eastern Live
[01:49:02] it will be the two of us and Rob and we're basically
[01:49:04] going to be doing one big mailbag
[01:49:06] where we're going to be bringing in suggestions
[01:49:08] we've been kind of petitioning the patrons to bring them in
[01:49:10] we'll take suggestions live in the chat
[01:49:12] I'm sure as well and kind of like
[01:49:14] put together a bit of a grab bag as to at least
[01:49:16] initially what we're going to do this summer and then
[01:49:18] every week we'll come back with a new
[01:49:20] idea and do a new Survivor podcast because
[01:49:22] again there's a lot of eyes on Survivor
[01:49:24] at this moment we want to keep the momentum
[01:49:26] going so if you're into checking
[01:49:28] out more Survivor stuff in a miscellaneous variety
[01:49:30] check out Summer of Survivor every
[01:49:32] Wednesday night at 7pm. Brandon
[01:49:34] I'll petition you now any suggestions
[01:49:36] you want to bring up of offseason
[01:49:38] podcasts to do? I have wanted
[01:49:40] to do this myself and I haven't had
[01:49:42] the resources to do so
[01:49:44] I want to find everybody who's on Survivor
[01:49:46] who's ever worn a shirt
[01:49:48] or an article of clothing with text on it
[01:49:50] like Banu's got Be Kind
[01:49:52] I know Travis Sampson obviously has Bob Barker
[01:49:54] I want to find all those and then figure out
[01:49:56] who has the best thing. Mike White has Can't We All Just Get Along
[01:49:58] Yes! The graphic
[01:50:00] tee, the font on
[01:50:02] the tee, there's something
[01:50:04] there that I want to just you know
[01:50:06] it's a Survivor fashion show. Yeah so we did do
[01:50:08] actually an Out With Out play out list for shirts
[01:50:10] a while back though this was like
[01:50:12] 2-3 years ago but always worth
[01:50:14] revisiting especially because we do have to your point
[01:50:16] Banu's Be Kind shirt as
[01:50:18] a key example so again
[01:50:20] we are open to any and all ideas we'll start
[01:50:22] filtering through those on Wednesday and a couple
[01:50:24] other projects in the pike as well
[01:50:26] that should be very exciting to people not
[01:50:28] only looking ahead to Survivor 40 several
[01:50:30] but perhaps an anniversary
[01:50:32] season to come. Of course
[01:50:34] when Big Brother starts up as well
[01:50:36] I'll be covering that whole haul when that
[01:50:38] happens in about a month and a half
[01:50:40] other stuff as well I'm doing, I have to press right now
[01:50:42] for the challenge All-Star Season 4
[01:50:44] for The Goat, for
[01:50:46] Top Chef because there is still a bunch of
[01:50:48] reality TV happening as well
[01:50:50] the very last thing that I
[01:50:52] will plug is if you like
[01:50:54] Survivor and if you like
[01:50:56] fantasy football I did something really
[01:50:58] wild in the fall where I
[01:51:00] did an ORG where
[01:51:02] basically it was like a game of Survivor
[01:51:04] but the challenges were fantasy football where
[01:51:06] you drafted a team and whoever scored the most
[01:51:08] points won immunity that week and then you'd vote
[01:51:10] somebody out. It is absolutely
[01:51:12] insane on the surface
[01:51:14] that I committed myself to this
[01:51:16] to the point where I should have been committed
[01:51:18] but I absolutely loved it and they're currently
[01:51:20] casting for Season 2 right now
[01:51:22] I said I would do the plug here on the B&B
[01:51:24] if you're interested in any of that nonsense
[01:51:26] as you are with our nonsense you can email
[01:51:28] survivorfantasy3232
[01:51:30] at gmail.com
[01:51:32] because it's part of the 32 fans network
[01:51:34] I bring it up now because by the time we come
[01:51:36] back for 40 several, football season
[01:51:38] will have already begun so just putting that
[01:51:40] in early and yeah one more thing that I
[01:51:42] will plug is that sooner
[01:51:44] rather than later the cast of 40 several will
[01:51:46] drop and I can confirm
[01:51:48] I did get a chance to talk with the contestants
[01:51:50] it was done in the way that I talked to the 45
[01:51:52] cast which was through this
[01:51:54] screen in this room but hopefully
[01:51:56] it still comes across that
[01:51:58] this is a very fun group
[01:52:00] of people with some special
[01:52:02] faces that we might get the chance to talk about
[01:52:04] down the line but
[01:52:06] that's going to do it for another season of coverage
[01:52:08] on the B&B
[01:52:10] I love getting to do this so much especially
[01:52:12] when the season is as wackadoo
[01:52:14] as this one was so
[01:52:16] special thanks to everyone who showed
[01:52:18] up at the B&B this season
[01:52:20] be it Izzy, Jordan Kalish
[01:52:22] Kevin Jacobs, Kendra from
[01:52:24] 45, Kirsten and Sasha
[01:52:26] Dwight, Beth
[01:52:28] Jesse and Omer, Franny
[01:52:30] Justin McElroy, Jamie
[01:52:32] and then of course Pouya last
[01:52:34] week it was such a great mix of alumni
[01:52:36] of notables from outside
[01:52:38] of Survivor and then of course podcasters
[01:52:40] themselves I'm so excited to take a few months
[01:52:42] off have our summer of Survivor
[01:52:44] if you will and then come back again
[01:52:46] of course our entire team behind the scenes at RHAP
[01:52:48] for making sure this podcast
[01:52:50] is packaged for your eyes and ears on a
[01:52:52] weekly basis, Will from America for
[01:52:54] his incredible theme song
[01:52:56] and last but not least to
[01:52:58] my number one, Liana
[01:53:00] who I would never turn on we are bonded
[01:53:02] on podcast and in fabric
[01:53:04] now and I am so excited
[01:53:06] to see what depraved nonsense
[01:53:08] we get to wear next season on the podcast
[01:53:10] yeah exactly
[01:53:12] look the B&B is always
[01:53:14] full of chaos and we're gonna
[01:53:16] continue to do that no matter
[01:53:18] what happens yes we will be
[01:53:20] the constant even in a sea of
[01:53:22] variables but school's out we're not
[01:53:24] talking math anymore we're gonna take
[01:53:26] a bit of a yadus but we'll be back talking
[01:53:28] Survivor in the fall for Survivor
[01:53:30] 40 several until then everybody
[01:53:32] we'll check you out at your next
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