Survivor 46 | RHAP B&B Ep 9 with Frannie Marin

[00:00:00] Mike and Leona, yeah they're playing some games

[00:00:04] You better pray to your mama that they're not super lame

[00:00:08] And if that all sounds cool I can tell you the name

[00:00:12] It's the R-H-A-P-B-N-B

[00:00:16] Mike and Leona, yeah they're playing some games

[00:00:20] You better pray to your mama that they're not super lame

[00:00:24] And if that all sounds cool I can tell you the name

[00:00:28] It's the R-H-A-P-B-N-B

[00:00:58] I think a lot of us felt coming in that we just settle into this like

[00:01:01] unanimous queue boot where everyone would get on the same page

[00:01:05] Not today Satan, not with this cast as we have yet another

[00:01:10] wild episode of the show to talk about

[00:01:13] So excited to welcome in the panel to break down all of the madness once again

[00:01:17] First off someone who compared to me

[00:01:20] I think definitely is the opposite of a dumb dumb buffoon

[00:01:23] It is Leona Boris, Leona how are you?

[00:01:26] Thank you Mike, I'm doing well

[00:01:28] I was thinking as soon as you said the spice comment

[00:01:30] What type of seasoning is this season?

[00:01:33] Obviously a necessary thing to answer

[00:01:35] And the first thing that popped in my mind and the only thing is slap your mama seasoning

[00:01:39] There's something so ridiculous, so spicy, so all over the place about this

[00:01:44] That it's making for a very enjoyable but confusing watching experience

[00:01:49] See for me maybe it's a little bit like Jordan Kalish bias

[00:01:52] Something in everything but the bagel seasoning right?

[00:01:54] Where it's got a little bit of sesame in the beginning

[00:01:57] And they got some poppy, some salt mixed into everything

[00:02:01] But regardless we've got someone that is here to bring the sweetness

[00:02:05] To perhaps combat the spiciness

[00:02:07] So excited to welcome in for the first time to the B&B

[00:02:10] Somebody who are one of last week's guests Omar Zaheer said

[00:02:14] Holds a currently unbroken record for most challenge wins in the new era

[00:02:18] So welcome in the reigning challenge beast Franny Marin

[00:02:23] Thank you, yeah, you know that's a shock to me as it was to many

[00:02:27] I think that Omar is potentially counting challenges that I did in fact sit out of

[00:02:32] But on the ground like I'm not gonna dispute it

[00:02:37] So yeah, I'm pretty excited about that

[00:02:39] In terms of spice for the season

[00:02:41] Like this feels like a very important question to address

[00:02:44] My first thought was like tahini

[00:02:47] Like something that's just like very like zingy, very tasty

[00:02:50] But I did pregame this recording by having a really spicy breakfast sandwich

[00:02:55] So my mouth is still like a little hot

[00:02:57] And I think that will put me in the right headspace to discuss this very spicy season of Survivor

[00:03:02] You're gonna be spittin' fire

[00:03:03] Yeah, exactly, that was the logic

[00:03:06] Yeah, yeah, yeah

[00:03:07] Yeah, instead of mermaid dragon you're dragon mermaid, right?

[00:03:11] Oh, well no, it's gonna be dragon on the way out as well, let's be honest

[00:03:14] Oh, Mike

[00:03:17] Oh no

[00:03:18] Well, we have a lot to talk about whether it's pooping out breakfast sandwiches

[00:03:22] Or shitting the bed the way that Hunter did

[00:03:25] I mean Franny, the last time we heard from you in a major capacity talking Survivor 46

[00:03:30] It was the premiere, Jalinski still lingers on the minds of people in and out of the game

[00:03:34] But suffice it to say, so much has changed between now and then

[00:03:38] What have been your thoughts about Survivor 46 so far

[00:03:41] In as we were talking about trying to encapsulate it in one picture?

[00:03:45] Yeah, it's been a wild, wild journey

[00:03:48] Yeah, as you mentioned, in some ways not much has changed

[00:03:51] We're still talking about Jalinski

[00:03:53] But in other ways, really everything has changed

[00:03:56] I like that everything about the bagel seasoning

[00:03:59] Because this season to me has sort of felt like an everything bagel

[00:04:01] And that there's one side of the bagel that doesn't have much on it

[00:04:05] Like they kind of just forgot to season that side

[00:04:08] And with so much love and respect

[00:04:11] That was the pregame for me a little bit

[00:04:13] But now, we've had a couple bites

[00:04:16] We flipped it over and we're like, holy crap

[00:04:18] This side of the bagel is packed

[00:04:20] And that's how I feel about this post-merge part of the season

[00:04:24] Like everyone is wild

[00:04:26] Everyone has their own agenda

[00:04:28] And they're just shooting in a million directions

[00:04:32] And it's really, really fun to watch

[00:04:33] So I'm really back on the season 46 train big time

[00:04:37] I think that's a really great point

[00:04:39] Because when you are getting to know castaways

[00:04:42] You're getting to know these people who are competing

[00:04:44] Like typically you get a sense of them relatively early on

[00:04:47] You're like, okay, this makes sense for this person to do

[00:04:50] But with this season, I don't know why the imbalance pre-jury

[00:04:54] Like we didn't really get to see a lot of anyone who was not on purple

[00:04:58] But we're just getting to discover more and more and more

[00:05:02] And peeling back more and more layers

[00:05:03] And those layers are more and more confusing

[00:05:05] Or more and more chaotic

[00:05:07] And I think that that's what's making it really fun

[00:05:09] I feel like I'm discovering something new every episode

[00:05:12] Well, I think that's because the cast is kind of discovering something new every episode

[00:05:15] And that new thing is who to target

[00:05:17] I mean, I think a perfect example of what you're talking about is Liz

[00:05:21] Who got so many random fits and starts

[00:05:23] I think we got more reactions to Liz

[00:05:26] Than Liz actually talking about herself in the pre-merge

[00:05:28] I think part of it is due to proxy of like

[00:05:31] She was on a tribe that was one of the winningest in the history of Survivor

[00:05:35] And then on top of that, there was so much time dedicated to like the dynamics

[00:05:39] Of Venus and the Tevin Hunter relationship, etc

[00:05:41] Stuff that would germinate later

[00:05:43] That Liz comes out of nowhere

[00:05:45] And like good God between last episode orchestrating the Tevin

[00:05:51] This episode where now she has made this vow that like

[00:05:54] She took my move

[00:05:56] He stole my thunder when he actually tried to quit the game

[00:05:59] And between whatever the hell is going to happen next episode

[00:06:04] I will not say too much

[00:06:05] But if you're watching promos like

[00:06:08] Oh my God

[00:06:10] Stand up for everyone

[00:06:12] I'm so sorry

[00:06:13] I love in the next time on her being like

[00:06:18] Because it's bringing out like Debbie in a way that I just

[00:06:22] I cannot wait

[00:06:23] And wait, I'm sorry quick aside

[00:06:25] This will be the second time that Debbie or her spirit has appeared in season 46

[00:06:30] If you remember there was a brief clip of her

[00:06:32] In when Hunter was putting the things in order

[00:06:35] This is more Debbie than I ever thought

[00:06:37] I guess so that's how he remembered this or tried to the season.

[00:06:41] Yeah.

[00:06:41] Oh, yeah.

[00:06:42] Debbie was on this one.

[00:06:43] Yeah.

[00:06:46] Yeah.

[00:06:46] Oh my gosh.

[00:06:47] The the list thing.

[00:06:48] I mean when I can't remember it was brought up multiple times,

[00:06:52] but she hasn't eaten in 72 hours.

[00:06:53] I'm like, how is she a lot?

[00:06:55] Like what has she eaten?

[00:06:56] Like tell me exactly how much or what Liz has eaten because right

[00:07:00] now I'm at like three popcorn kernels.

[00:07:03] Yeah, hopefully something else like how she lives she just ate the seeds

[00:07:09] out of the bottom of the bowl.

[00:07:10] Like she's had she's like shaking the bowl at the bottom.

[00:07:13] I mean, I would imagine I don't know.

[00:07:14] She probably like licking trees.

[00:07:16] I imagine she goes like the Jess Chong route like how many ants

[00:07:19] has she consumed over the course of this period?

[00:07:22] Like this woman is going to become I think the hangriest contestant

[00:07:28] in Survivor history and it's going to be amazing

[00:07:32] because again like she has just come out of the woodwork

[00:07:34] is again to your point both of you is a great representation

[00:07:37] of this season where you're not really sure where things are going

[00:07:41] and then it just comes out of nowhere and hits you where again

[00:07:45] even the idea I think starting off this episode where we get

[00:07:49] confirmation that Q indeed was going to throw himself on

[00:07:54] his sword after we spent this entire week being like there

[00:07:56] is no way this man like clearly it's a big brain plan

[00:08:01] on his part.

[00:08:02] No way he's walking out with his Q skirt tucked between his

[00:08:05] legs, but it truly was the case for any I mean give me

[00:08:09] your reaction to this.

[00:08:11] Yeah, I I would have staked my entire life on the fact

[00:08:14] that this was a strategic move by Q.

[00:08:17] I was absolutely shocked and like you said Leona Q

[00:08:19] I feel like is the biggest example of a player who I

[00:08:23] felt like I thought I knew and understood and now

[00:08:26] like whoa, where is this coming from?

[00:08:31] But now that I'm saying that he's already done this once

[00:08:33] before so it's just so wild to me how Q who like really

[00:08:36] does seem to be this huge contender, you know really

[00:08:39] competitive person would genuinely be willing to leave

[00:08:43] like I'm curious if they had all voted for him.

[00:08:46] Would you have been pissed?

[00:08:47] Would you have just gone quietly into the night like

[00:08:50] what would have happened?

[00:08:52] Yeah, I mean, I'm glad that it didn't work out

[00:08:54] but it just makes it it would have been easier to

[00:08:56] digest.

[00:08:57] I think if it was strategy for some of the other people

[00:08:59] think it's actually harder to accept the fact that

[00:09:02] you really just wanted to leave because now they're

[00:09:04] like, what do I do with you?

[00:09:05] You could do this again at any time.

[00:09:07] Yeah, I think that's that's unfortunately the only

[00:09:09] thing that Liz has had to digest for the past 72

[00:09:11] hours.

[00:09:13] Just that and it didn't go down easy.

[00:09:17] A lot of heartburn.

[00:09:19] It's like even now in this conversation.

[00:09:22] I still am not convinced that it was just to get voted

[00:09:26] like I want.

[00:09:27] Okay, so I've been so crazy busy this week.

[00:09:30] I didn't get to watch episode live.

[00:09:31] So I missed a lot of the online discourse.

[00:09:33] So when I watched the episode I was like, okay, he's

[00:09:36] saying it was to get voted out but that kid

[00:09:37] that can't be right.

[00:09:38] Like I'm sure it came out in an interview or the

[00:09:40] cast boiled it on Twitter because they're very active

[00:09:43] on Twitter.

[00:09:43] Like it sure someone said something somewhere that

[00:09:46] was not just he just wanted to get voted out

[00:09:48] but sure enough that seems to be the case and

[00:09:50] my brain can't even comprehend that decision.

[00:09:54] And I think that that is what is going on with

[00:09:56] the season.

[00:09:56] There's so many out of left field decisions that

[00:10:00] I'm just like what leaving me so confused.

[00:10:04] Yeah, I mean it I think we talked about how

[00:10:07] the new era is a very fluid dynamic, you know

[00:10:10] even moving on from like the voting blocks but

[00:10:12] like this thing is practically its own state of

[00:10:15] matter with just how random things are considering

[00:10:19] that the idea of turning on your number one

[00:10:22] ally has just been the lifeblood of the post

[00:10:26] merge and it really culminates here where Tiffany

[00:10:29] and Q were one of like the tightest alliances

[00:10:32] in the game, you know, they were thickest

[00:10:34] thieves throughout that he was she was his

[00:10:37] plus one and he really ends up sort of reaping

[00:10:41] what he sowed in the previous episode where

[00:10:44] I think the most significant drastic shift in a

[00:10:50] friends to enemy dynamic.

[00:10:52] I may have ever seen in Survivor history.

[00:10:55] I know like Chrissy and Ben Abbey and RC are

[00:10:57] good examples, but like these two I would

[00:11:00] have never thought that they would truly

[00:11:01] break apart and the fact that it's not even

[00:11:04] the fact that they are enemies but that they

[00:11:06] are getting in I will use the term several

[00:11:10] because it probably was at least seven like

[00:11:13] explicit arguments back and forth at the

[00:11:16] village at tribal council yelling at each other.

[00:11:19] I mean this is just wild Freddie are you

[00:11:23] watching Survivor 46?

[00:11:24] You're like, oh man, I'm so happy our cast

[00:11:26] was so kumbaya by comparison.

[00:11:27] Are you one of these people being like this

[00:11:28] is what we wanted?

[00:11:30] Yeah.

[00:11:31] Yeah.

[00:11:31] I mean it's a different strategy and like

[00:11:33] I found a number one ally and I was like

[00:11:35] we should start dating.

[00:11:36] It's kind of a different mindset.

[00:11:39] I think in the people on this cast but yeah,

[00:11:42] it's so strange and I'm trying to really like

[00:11:46] put myself in the heads of all these players

[00:11:48] that are doing this because I'm like what

[00:11:49] would motivate you to do this?

[00:11:51] We're not even like that that close to the

[00:11:53] end.

[00:11:53] I know we're getting closer, but I feel

[00:11:54] like, you know, seven six is really when

[00:11:57] people start and now that I've ever been

[00:11:59] this close to like what am I supposed to

[00:12:00] do?

[00:12:01] Do you like that by the way when Jeff's

[00:12:02] like Charlie, it's not the end yet, but

[00:12:05] it's pretty close.

[00:12:06] How do you feel about being safe?

[00:12:08] Yeah, just like it's I mean, I guess this

[00:12:11] is exciting.

[00:12:12] I'll just put it on you.

[00:12:14] Yeah, yeah.

[00:12:14] Yeah.

[00:12:15] Oh man, which by the way, I love that win

[00:12:16] for Charlie.

[00:12:17] That was such a funny moment because and

[00:12:19] we'll I'm sure we'll get to this but

[00:12:20] I'm so curious to hear your thoughts on

[00:12:22] Charlie because I noticed when Jeff was

[00:12:24] putting the necklace on him everybody went

[00:12:26] aww like that was the reaction that

[00:12:28] they had and I think Charlie's just he's

[00:12:31] viewed as so sweet and so, you know unassuming

[00:12:33] and he seems to be doing a lot of

[00:12:35] the game.

[00:12:35] But yeah, voting out number one allies.

[00:12:37] It's such an odd thing.

[00:12:38] I wonder if in this season where everyone's

[00:12:41] a spark plug.

[00:12:42] Everyone's doing something crazy.

[00:12:43] Everyone's making their mark people feel

[00:12:45] this like more intense desire to go off

[00:12:49] the beaten path and do something that

[00:12:50] will be wild and you know potent like

[00:12:54] vote out their number one ally.

[00:12:55] I don't know if it's logically the

[00:12:57] best move, but I think that people

[00:12:59] like really just want to stand out and

[00:13:01] it's hard to stand out when you're

[00:13:02] surrounded by crazy people.

[00:13:05] I mean, I'm going to I'm going to

[00:13:06] give you the alley-oop and allow you

[00:13:07] to boast about your own season a bit

[00:13:09] because these people before they went

[00:13:11] out to play just finished your season.

[00:13:13] They went out like five days after

[00:13:16] the finale of 44.

[00:13:18] I mean, I know that ultimately Jam Jam

[00:13:20] not getting rid of Carolyn worked

[00:13:22] out well for him.

[00:13:22] But like do you think that's front

[00:13:24] of mind or even like Heidi trying

[00:13:25] to get rid of somebody like Danny

[00:13:27] that they're thinking we're going

[00:13:28] to carry through what these people

[00:13:29] couldn't do.

[00:13:30] Yeah, I kind of I like that idea.

[00:13:33] I think that they probably gleaned

[00:13:34] a lot from 44 kind of in a lot

[00:13:36] of different dimensions.

[00:13:38] I think that's one of them.

[00:13:39] I also think that the success

[00:13:43] of the Tika 3 also donning purple

[00:13:46] as they kind of moved through

[00:13:47] the post merge and towards the

[00:13:49] end had some effect on how people

[00:13:51] view those Yanu 3 and I wonder

[00:13:54] if the fact that the Tika 3

[00:13:56] were so huge, so successful

[00:13:59] contributed to how quickly the

[00:14:01] Yanu 3 were willing to shatter

[00:14:02] because I think there has to be

[00:14:04] some part in their mind where

[00:14:05] they're like, I don't want us

[00:14:07] all three to be targeted and be

[00:14:09] seen as a similar trio.

[00:14:12] So as soon as somebody does

[00:14:13] something I don't like, I'm not

[00:14:15] part of the Yanu, like we're

[00:14:16] not a group.

[00:14:17] Yanu 3 is dead.

[00:14:18] Break up bangs.

[00:14:19] They're like we're done.

[00:14:19] We're done.

[00:14:21] I wonder if like that history

[00:14:23] of the Tika 3 is influencing

[00:14:26] them a little bit their

[00:14:27] desire to differentiate themselves.

[00:14:31] I think that's definitely a

[00:14:32] possibility.

[00:14:33] Although at the same time, I

[00:14:34] just see the emotional reactions

[00:14:36] from players like Tiffany and

[00:14:38] Kenzie and I'm like, I don't know.

[00:14:40] Is this an act?

[00:14:41] Is this real?

[00:14:41] Like they especially I mean Kenzie

[00:14:44] after tribal in this episode

[00:14:46] when she's like I'm pissed

[00:14:48] like I'm pissed.

[00:14:48] I'm pissed.

[00:14:49] I'm like, okay, how much are

[00:14:50] you playing that up?

[00:14:50] Like how much of that is real?

[00:14:52] I just think that when you

[00:14:53] there's so many people

[00:14:55] that are going it's what you

[00:14:59] said that you're trying to like

[00:15:00] out top crazy right is how

[00:15:02] it feels and that leads

[00:15:05] to just some very very chaotic

[00:15:07] things and I think it's not only

[00:15:08] wanting to make a move.

[00:15:10] It seems there seems to be a

[00:15:11] lot of talk about like my

[00:15:12] move.

[00:15:13] Yeah, me me move like Maria the

[00:15:16] whole situation with Tiffany,

[00:15:17] right?

[00:15:18] She wanted it to be her move.

[00:15:19] Liz was like this has to be

[00:15:21] my move me solo dolo move

[00:15:23] and I'm not 100% sure like

[00:15:24] exactly the origin of that

[00:15:26] because it I don't know have

[00:15:27] we seen that a lot before I

[00:15:29] feel like it is.

[00:15:29] Yes, I got to build my

[00:15:30] resume, but I never felt it so

[00:15:32] clearly like me specifically.

[00:15:34] Well very early on I don't

[00:15:36] think so when Tevin is at the

[00:15:39] final 11 being like I or Venus

[00:15:42] saying I'm going to take

[00:15:42] credit for this that's as

[00:15:44] much as Jeff is telling Charlie.

[00:15:46] There's still a lot of game

[00:15:47] to play at that point and

[00:15:48] you're just setting yourself

[00:15:49] up to get targeted and I

[00:15:50] really wonder if it's this

[00:15:52] idea to both of your points

[00:15:54] about sort of taking on the

[00:15:56] sort of musical tone that

[00:15:57] everyone else is doing.

[00:15:58] What's the tempo of the

[00:16:00] band members around you where

[00:16:02] let's think about the fact that

[00:16:03] this is the jury phase and

[00:16:04] you have to think about what

[00:16:06] are the people that I'm

[00:16:07] setting to this bench going

[00:16:09] to respect will they risk if

[00:16:11] they're running around taking

[00:16:12] out their number one allies

[00:16:13] playing this really fervent

[00:16:15] fantastical game and I play

[00:16:18] a little bit more like under

[00:16:19] the radar stable game and

[00:16:21] I get to the end.

[00:16:22] Are they going to like that

[00:16:23] like yes, I made my way to

[00:16:24] the end but what someone like

[00:16:26] you end up voting for

[00:16:27] somebody like that over

[00:16:29] someone that again is taking

[00:16:30] these bigger swings and so

[00:16:32] that's what makes again

[00:16:33] honestly every season of

[00:16:35] Survivor so interesting just

[00:16:37] because it really is about

[00:16:38] picking up on what is the

[00:16:40] vibe of the tribe and for

[00:16:42] whatever reason whether it

[00:16:43] was like, you know the

[00:16:44] shot heard around the world

[00:16:46] when you see Tevin try to

[00:16:47] take out and Liz try to

[00:16:48] take out somebody like soda

[00:16:50] or what have you and how

[00:16:51] that that led to the

[00:16:52] downfall of everything

[00:16:53] afterwards.

[00:16:54] I think it just really has

[00:16:54] been spreading this theme of

[00:16:56] like nope.

[00:16:57] You got to play big.

[00:16:58] You got to play hard as

[00:16:59] much as we're sitting on

[00:17:00] our our tuchus being like

[00:17:01] in our own butt cushions

[00:17:03] being like no, what are

[00:17:04] you doing?

[00:17:05] You're making yourself a

[00:17:06] target early on.

[00:17:07] I think these people are

[00:17:08] trying to get a feel as

[00:17:10] to what jurors would

[00:17:11] respect and are like

[00:17:13] trying to claim dibs on

[00:17:14] things ahead of time if

[00:17:15] and when they get to the

[00:17:16] end.

[00:17:18] Yeah, I love that.

[00:17:19] That's one of the

[00:17:19] things I love most about

[00:17:20] Survivor is that process

[00:17:22] in each season of the

[00:17:23] cast developing kind of

[00:17:26] a social contract of what's

[00:17:27] important.

[00:17:28] What's not what's

[00:17:29] respected and what's not

[00:17:30] so I don't know but

[00:17:32] what's hard is like,

[00:17:34] first of all, I really

[00:17:35] feel for somebody like

[00:17:36] Liz because I do think

[00:17:37] that you can feel when

[00:17:38] you're out there if you

[00:17:40] are not kind of the

[00:17:41] main character of the

[00:17:42] story.

[00:17:43] Like you feel like you're

[00:17:44] not the one that people

[00:17:44] are talking about.

[00:17:45] You're not the one

[00:17:46] making moves.

[00:17:46] I think that's an

[00:17:47] anxiety inducing feeling

[00:17:48] so I can see why she's

[00:17:50] having this, you

[00:17:51] know desire to make a

[00:17:52] move.

[00:17:52] But the interesting thing

[00:17:54] about that like social

[00:17:55] contract with the jury

[00:17:56] and the players is

[00:17:58] you know, you can't talk

[00:17:59] to the jury once they're

[00:17:59] voted out.

[00:18:00] So you don't always get

[00:18:00] that social contract

[00:18:01] right.

[00:18:02] They might be sitting

[00:18:03] there thinking, wow,

[00:18:04] we've had these really

[00:18:05] crazy tribal councils.

[00:18:06] I bet the jury loves

[00:18:07] that.

[00:18:07] I bet they want to see

[00:18:08] somebody loud and

[00:18:08] flashy at the end.

[00:18:09] Maybe the jury's

[00:18:10] sit at Ponderosa like

[00:18:12] God if we could just

[00:18:12] have somebody chill

[00:18:14] to win this game,

[00:18:15] that would be

[00:18:16] incredible.

[00:18:16] So people are

[00:18:18] you know going off

[00:18:19] of very little

[00:18:20] information maybe making

[00:18:21] assumptions about what

[00:18:22] the correct way to

[00:18:23] play is.

[00:18:24] So I'm curious to

[00:18:25] see how that works for

[00:18:26] them going forward.

[00:18:27] Well, and that's I

[00:18:28] think that also goes

[00:18:29] back to Charlie,

[00:18:30] right? Because if you

[00:18:31] think about Charlie,

[00:18:32] Charlie I think has

[00:18:33] done an amazing job

[00:18:35] of cultivating this

[00:18:36] perception of himself

[00:18:38] that is like, oh,

[00:18:39] sweet Charlie,

[00:18:41] like sweet little Charlie

[00:18:42] Q's mentoring him.

[00:18:43] You know, oh, he's

[00:18:44] like Maria's little

[00:18:45] like sidekick kind of

[00:18:46] bit. Like, I don't

[00:18:47] know. I really

[00:18:48] feel like a lot

[00:18:48] of people like him.

[00:18:50] A lot of people

[00:18:50] want to work with him.

[00:18:51] The reaction to him

[00:18:52] winning immunity,

[00:18:53] I think definitely

[00:18:54] says something.

[00:18:55] So he's kind of the

[00:18:56] one that's the most

[00:18:57] calm I would feel

[00:18:59] like out of everybody

[00:19:00] out there. So is

[00:19:01] that a situation where

[00:19:02] if he manages to

[00:19:03] get to the end,

[00:19:04] can he kind of

[00:19:05] play up that angle

[00:19:06] of like, look,

[00:19:07] I just let all

[00:19:08] this chaos occur

[00:19:09] around me. I just

[00:19:09] made sure to make

[00:19:10] the right bonds

[00:19:11] and then the jury

[00:19:12] might be more upset

[00:19:13] at other people

[00:19:14] that he ends up

[00:19:15] taking the win.

[00:19:16] Yeah, though I

[00:19:17] could see the

[00:19:17] other side where

[00:19:18] that perception could

[00:19:19] be something to

[00:19:20] work so hard

[00:19:21] against, right?

[00:19:22] I'm like, oh,

[00:19:23] you said you did

[00:19:24] all of this, but

[00:19:25] what did you do

[00:19:25] without Maria?

[00:19:26] What did you do

[00:19:27] without Ben,

[00:19:28] etc, etc?

[00:19:29] But for the sake of

[00:19:30] Liana's optimism,

[00:19:33] let me lay out a

[00:19:33] metaphor here for you.

[00:19:35] Let's say that

[00:19:36] there's this

[00:19:38] factory that

[00:19:39] you're to win

[00:19:40] at the end where

[00:19:41] you undergo a series

[00:19:42] of moral,

[00:19:43] emotional,

[00:19:44] maybe sometimes

[00:19:45] physical trials

[00:19:46] and you enter

[00:19:47] alongside these

[00:19:49] incredibly loud,

[00:19:50] flawed characters

[00:19:52] who along the way

[00:19:53] end up falling

[00:19:54] by the wayside

[00:19:55] due to sort of

[00:19:56] succumbing on

[00:19:56] their own sids,

[00:19:58] right?

[00:19:58] Sometimes it is

[00:19:59] vanity.

[00:20:00] Sometimes it is

[00:20:01] gluttony.

[00:20:02] Sometimes it is

[00:20:03] self-centric

[00:20:04] actions.

[00:20:06] And so who's left

[00:20:07] at the end to inherit

[00:20:09] the factory,

[00:20:10] but a boy named

[00:20:11] Charlie,

[00:20:12] a boy

[00:20:14] who was the most

[00:20:15] stable,

[00:20:16] had the best

[00:20:17] sense of morality

[00:20:18] and perhaps on

[00:20:18] paper was not

[00:20:19] necessarily seen as

[00:20:20] like the one to

[00:20:21] take it all,

[00:20:22] but by virtue

[00:20:23] of being the last

[00:20:24] one standing and

[00:20:25] being the most

[00:20:25] consistent,

[00:20:26] he flies away

[00:20:27] in that great

[00:20:28] glass elevator

[00:20:28] to parts unknown.

[00:20:32] That was a great

[00:20:32] report because it

[00:20:33] really took me

[00:20:34] until the very

[00:20:35] end to get to

[00:20:36] Charlie.

[00:20:37] I was like,

[00:20:37] why did he

[00:20:37] say factory at the

[00:20:39] beginning?

[00:20:39] I don't get it.

[00:20:41] It was the gluttony

[00:20:42] that did it for me.

[00:20:43] I was like,

[00:20:43] oh Willy Wonka,

[00:20:44] but I will say

[00:20:45] I was convinced

[00:20:46] it was The Wizard

[00:20:46] of Oz

[00:20:47] for a second.

[00:20:48] I was like,

[00:20:48] oh yeah,

[00:20:49] the tin man.

[00:20:51] I'm sure like

[00:20:51] Santa's factory,

[00:20:52] like elves,

[00:20:53] as like we're

[00:20:54] inheriting

[00:20:54] Santa's hat.

[00:20:57] Yeah.

[00:20:57] Survivor Reindeer

[00:20:58] Games is coming.

[00:20:59] Yeah.

[00:21:00] Yes.

[00:21:00] Oh my God.

[00:21:02] But that's it.

[00:21:02] That's a great metaphor.

[00:21:03] Yeah.

[00:21:04] Yeah, exactly.

[00:21:05] I agree.

[00:21:05] And that's the

[00:21:06] thing is that

[00:21:06] it's,

[00:21:08] well,

[00:21:08] it's going to be that

[00:21:08] or it's going to

[00:21:09] be one or the other,

[00:21:10] but it does feel like,

[00:21:11] okay,

[00:21:11] either that

[00:21:12] is going to be respected

[00:21:13] of like,

[00:21:13] okay,

[00:21:13] you were the

[00:21:14] one that was left

[00:21:14] that managed to

[00:21:15] survive the

[00:21:16] the chaos

[00:21:17] that ensued

[00:21:19] or it is

[00:21:20] like,

[00:21:20] well,

[00:21:20] you were just

[00:21:22] the,

[00:21:22] you know,

[00:21:23] so-and-so's

[00:21:23] number two.

[00:21:24] Like you didn't

[00:21:24] actually drive anything.

[00:21:25] You didn't

[00:21:26] actually do anything.

[00:21:26] You weren't

[00:21:27] actually aware

[00:21:27] of anything.

[00:21:28] And that's

[00:21:29] like what's

[00:21:29] so tough.

[00:21:30] And I think

[00:21:30] that's why

[00:21:31] there's a lot

[00:21:31] of impetus

[00:21:32] on the

[00:21:32] players to be

[00:21:32] like,

[00:21:33] this is my

[00:21:33] move.

[00:21:34] This is what

[00:21:34] I did.

[00:21:35] Like the

[00:21:35] fear of

[00:21:36] going to

[00:21:37] the end

[00:21:38] and the

[00:21:38] final three

[00:21:39] and getting

[00:21:39] like Troisand

[00:21:41] where you're

[00:21:41] just completely

[00:21:42] ignored by

[00:21:43] the jury.

[00:21:43] I mean,

[00:21:44] I could imagine

[00:21:45] that being

[00:21:45] a very

[00:21:46] real fear

[00:21:46] out there

[00:21:47] and trying

[00:21:48] to think

[00:21:48] like,

[00:21:48] what am I

[00:21:49] going to

[00:21:49] say when

[00:21:49] I get there

[00:21:49] to be

[00:21:50] able to

[00:21:50] articulate

[00:21:51] the agency

[00:21:52] that you

[00:21:52] had even

[00:21:53] I think

[00:21:54] it's not

[00:21:54] every move,

[00:21:55] but just

[00:21:55] something that

[00:21:56] you can

[00:21:56] claim is

[00:21:57] yours.

[00:21:57] I think

[00:21:58] it's something

[00:21:58] that probably

[00:21:59] weighs heavy

[00:21:59] in the

[00:22:00] players'

[00:22:00] minds and

[00:22:01] that's why

[00:22:01] we see

[00:22:02] this type

[00:22:02] of behavior.

[00:22:03] I mean,

[00:22:03] Franny,

[00:22:04] I would

[00:22:04] imagine you

[00:22:05] saw it

[00:22:05] first and

[00:22:06] foremost

[00:22:06] when someone

[00:22:07] like Heidi

[00:22:07] who was

[00:22:08] already going

[00:22:08] to make

[00:22:09] the final

[00:22:09] three sends

[00:22:10] herself in

[00:22:10] to try to

[00:22:11] leave that

[00:22:11] last impression.

[00:22:12] Yeah,

[00:22:13] totally.

[00:22:13] Well,

[00:22:14] I'll just

[00:22:14] say,

[00:22:15] Leona,

[00:22:15] when you said

[00:22:16] that,

[00:22:16] like the

[00:22:17] fear of

[00:22:17] getting Troisand,

[00:22:18] I felt

[00:22:18] like a

[00:22:19] shiver

[00:22:20] I went out at

[00:22:21] eight,

[00:22:21] so actually,

[00:22:22] oh,

[00:22:22] the same as this

[00:22:23] episode.

[00:22:23] And I think at that

[00:22:24] point is like a

[00:22:25] smidge early to

[00:22:26] start to

[00:22:27] Oh,

[00:22:28] a smidge early

[00:22:29] to start thinking

[00:22:30] about like your

[00:22:31] final tribal council

[00:22:32] speech.

[00:22:33] But you know,

[00:22:34] I would have quiet

[00:22:35] moments and I

[00:22:38] would sit there

[00:22:39] and be like,

[00:22:40] Oh no!

[00:22:41] So I think that's

[00:22:42] a very real

[00:22:43] concern and

[00:22:44] Heidi,

[00:22:45] you know,

[00:22:46] in my season,

[00:22:47] was lucky to

[00:22:48] have that opportunity

[00:22:49] to put herself

[00:22:50] in fire.

[00:22:51] Sometimes you don't

[00:22:52] have that opportunity.

[00:22:53] You know,

[00:22:54] you need to like create

[00:22:55] those opportunities

[00:22:56] for yourself.

[00:22:57] And even for Heidi,

[00:22:58] she did this incredible

[00:22:59] thing.

[00:23:00] It wasn't enough.

[00:23:01] And so they got to

[00:23:02] start thinking about

[00:23:03] that early.

[00:23:04] And that's something

[00:23:05] that I'm really,

[00:23:06] really curious to see

[00:23:07] with Charlie

[00:23:08] and Maria.

[00:23:09] We've literally

[00:23:10] seen Maria talking,

[00:23:11] like you said,

[00:23:12] Leona,

[00:23:13] about wanting to

[00:23:14] claim a move,

[00:23:15] wanting to claim this

[00:23:16] move against Tiff.

[00:23:17] I wonder,

[00:23:18] when is the point

[00:23:19] and will that

[00:23:20] differentiation be

[00:23:21] getting somebody

[00:23:22] else out and

[00:23:23] like Maria doesn't tell

[00:23:24] Charlie or

[00:23:25] Charlie doesn't tell Maria,

[00:23:26] or will it be

[00:23:27] turning against their

[00:23:28] number one allies?

[00:23:29] Like, you know,

[00:23:30] it's a cool thing

[00:23:31] to do right now.

[00:23:32] I have no idea how

[00:23:33] that's going to play out.

[00:23:34] I hope that they can

[00:23:35] be level headed

[00:23:36] and, you know,

[00:23:37] kind of continue

[00:23:38] as a pair because

[00:23:39] I think they're in

[00:23:40] a good spot.

[00:23:41] But I don't know.

[00:23:42] They're in a crazy,

[00:23:43] crazy alternate

[00:23:44] world where

[00:23:45] different things go

[00:23:46] and different things

[00:23:47] are the norm.

[00:23:48] Well, let me then

[00:23:49] segue into throwing

[00:23:50] out a question that

[00:23:51] probably all these

[00:23:52] players are asking

[00:23:53] in the wake of

[00:23:54] this most recent

[00:23:55] episode.

[00:23:56] Leona, who do you

[00:23:57] give credit to

[00:23:58] for the Hunter boot?

[00:24:00] Is it someone

[00:24:01] that was in

[00:24:02] this majority?

[00:24:03] Is it Hunter himself?

[00:24:04] Yeah, let's give

[00:24:06] credit to Hunter.

[00:24:07] He'll love that.

[00:24:08] Poor guy.

[00:24:09] That's so tough,

[00:24:11] right?

[00:24:12] Because I think

[00:24:13] it was almost

[00:24:14] a general consensus

[00:24:15] that like, well,

[00:24:16] Hunter is

[00:24:17] a big challenge

[00:24:18] threat.

[00:24:19] So obviously the

[00:24:20] first time he's available,

[00:24:21] we need to get him out.

[00:24:22] I feel like there was

[00:24:23] always an undertone

[00:24:24] and undercurrent of that.

[00:24:25] So then, OK,

[00:24:26] who actually gets credit?

[00:24:27] Is it Charlie

[00:24:28] for sussing out

[00:24:29] that Tiffany

[00:24:30] was going to play

[00:24:31] the idol or at least

[00:24:32] threaten to play

[00:24:33] the idol?

[00:24:34] I would say suss is

[00:24:35] perhaps

[00:24:36] putting it mildly

[00:24:37] considering she told him

[00:24:38] she can't get the idol.

[00:24:39] She really clearly said it.

[00:24:40] He's like,

[00:24:41] I'm picking up on

[00:24:42] something here.

[00:24:43] Let me do a little

[00:24:44] bit of

[00:24:45] mind work here.

[00:24:46] Yeah, OK, look.

[00:24:47] And then did she go on

[00:24:48] to tell everybody else?

[00:24:49] Yes.

[00:24:50] OK, fine.

[00:24:51] So yeah, all right.

[00:24:52] Maybe that's not OK.

[00:24:53] So not Charlie then.

[00:24:54] Yeah, I mean,

[00:24:55] to be honest,

[00:24:56] I don't know.

[00:24:57] Then is it is it

[00:24:58] is it Kenzie for keeping

[00:25:00] Hunter cool to not

[00:25:02] play the idol, right?

[00:25:03] So maybe it's not so

[00:25:04] much about who

[00:25:05] orchestrated the votes.

[00:25:06] Then it's about, OK,

[00:25:07] who prevented him

[00:25:08] from from playing

[00:25:09] the idol?

[00:25:10] Because, I mean,

[00:25:11] he is eyes glued

[00:25:12] to the idol.

[00:25:13] He is eyes glued to her,

[00:25:15] like the whole time,

[00:25:17] both throughout

[00:25:18] tribal council and

[00:25:19] even when the votes

[00:25:20] are being read.

[00:25:21] And Tiffany and Kenzie

[00:25:22] has this really funny

[00:25:23] moment where Hunter

[00:25:24] looks back at her

[00:25:25] and she's just like,

[00:25:26] like, pay attention

[00:25:27] to what's going on

[00:25:28] in front of you.

[00:25:29] She nods like,

[00:25:30] yeah, watch yourself

[00:25:31] get voted out, buddy.

[00:25:32] Yeah, just watch.

[00:25:33] Yeah.

[00:25:34] Yeah.

[00:25:35] So it's tough.

[00:25:36] That's a really,

[00:25:37] really tough question

[00:25:38] to answer.

[00:25:39] I mean, I maybe

[00:25:40] it's because I'm a bit

[00:25:41] biased due to the

[00:25:42] fact that Hunter

[00:25:43] explained his entire

[00:25:44] thought process

[00:25:45] through exit press,

[00:25:46] which listen,

[00:25:47] you know, I always

[00:25:48] recommend people check out.

[00:25:49] But definitely this week,

[00:25:50] I think to give a sense

[00:25:51] as to like the very

[00:25:53] tight numbers that

[00:25:55] Hunter was scripting out

[00:25:56] in the sand

[00:25:57] prior to this.

[00:25:58] From what he expressed,

[00:26:00] he had assumed that

[00:26:01] at worst it was going to be

[00:26:03] like a four-four vote

[00:26:04] between him and Q.

[00:26:06] And so he thought,

[00:26:07] OK, if I'm that

[00:26:08] fifth vote for Q,

[00:26:09] then Q is gone.

[00:26:11] I don't need to play my

[00:26:12] Sean the Dark.

[00:26:13] I don't need to play my idol.

[00:26:14] I'm good for another round.

[00:26:16] And it seems like the one

[00:26:17] person that he misjudged

[00:26:19] was Tiffany.

[00:26:20] And it was because

[00:26:22] Tiffany goes into

[00:26:24] tribal council

[00:26:25] and just absolutely

[00:26:27] shoes Q up

[00:26:28] and spits him out.

[00:26:30] But I think Hunter at

[00:26:31] that point was thinking

[00:26:32] there's no way

[00:26:33] she is going to vote

[00:26:34] for him to stay

[00:26:35] after all that.

[00:26:36] And suffice it to say,

[00:26:38] she did.

[00:26:39] I do also think that, yes,

[00:26:41] there was a little bit of

[00:26:42] confusing chaos to begin with

[00:26:43] because this tribal council

[00:26:44] was so much from

[00:26:45] Hunter's perspective.

[00:26:46] It did seem like it was

[00:26:47] going to be a split vote.

[00:26:49] And so it was sort of

[00:26:50] that matter of where does

[00:26:51] everyone else's votes lie?

[00:26:52] And Hunter thought,

[00:26:54] OK, I think I know

[00:26:55] where things are going,

[00:26:56] where I can eat it out

[00:26:57] and not have to

[00:26:58] play my idol.

[00:26:59] But it turns out that,

[00:27:00] no, because he misjudged

[00:27:01] pretty much one person.

[00:27:03] That's the reason why

[00:27:04] he's gone.

[00:27:05] But also, like,

[00:27:07] and I love that Hunter

[00:27:08] gave that logic.

[00:27:09] And I think that that

[00:27:10] probably is really accurate

[00:27:11] to what he thought

[00:27:12] was happening.

[00:27:13] But if you really feel

[00:27:14] like you have to depend

[00:27:15] on a single person,

[00:27:16] maybe that is the good

[00:27:17] scenario to just use

[00:27:18] the idol.

[00:27:19] Or I don't know

[00:27:20] if either of you

[00:27:21] saw this online,

[00:27:22] but I saw somebody

[00:27:23] suggesting that this was

[00:27:24] maybe a great opportunity

[00:27:25] for Hunter to

[00:27:26] use his shot in the dark.

[00:27:27] And then depending

[00:27:28] on the outcome of that,

[00:27:29] he can still use the idol,

[00:27:31] which I actually loved.

[00:27:32] That was, he told me

[00:27:33] that was going to be

[00:27:34] his initial plan,

[00:27:35] that he actually was

[00:27:36] going to use his shot

[00:27:37] in the dark and then

[00:27:38] use the idol if it failed.

[00:27:40] But again, I think he'd

[00:27:41] assume that the

[00:27:42] the vote margin was so tight

[00:27:44] that he felt I need this

[00:27:46] vote so that I can carry

[00:27:48] through and then I'll still

[00:27:49] have my shot in the dark

[00:27:50] and then I'll still have

[00:27:51] my idol because he knew

[00:27:52] he basically had to like

[00:27:53] win out at least the next

[00:27:55] couple of rounds.

[00:27:56] And he felt with a couple

[00:27:57] of opportunities at safety,

[00:27:58] he could do it as long

[00:27:59] as he made it past

[00:28:00] this next vote.

[00:28:01] Mm hmm.

[00:28:02] Yeah, I think that

[00:28:03] that's always the debate,

[00:28:04] right? Is that, well,

[00:28:05] OK, yes, you survive one

[00:28:06] more day in the game,

[00:28:08] which I think is probably

[00:28:09] what you should prioritize.

[00:28:11] But I also understand

[00:28:12] the inclination to say like,

[00:28:13] well, if I'm not going

[00:28:14] to survive this vote,

[00:28:15] there's no way I'm

[00:28:16] making it to the end.

[00:28:17] So I might as well

[00:28:18] like try to go for it.

[00:28:19] I think for Hunter though,

[00:28:21] the decision to just

[00:28:24] like tell everybody

[00:28:25] you have an idol

[00:28:26] and then to visibly panic

[00:28:29] at tribal council

[00:28:30] to me is like,

[00:28:31] what is you doing?

[00:28:32] Like, OK, but like

[00:28:34] if you are,

[00:28:35] if you're like, I have an idol,

[00:28:36] then you got it.

[00:28:37] Even if you're not going to play

[00:28:38] it like Tiffany,

[00:28:39] you got to be like calm,

[00:28:40] cool collected,

[00:28:41] like whatever,

[00:28:42] like I'm safe.

[00:28:43] I have an idol.

[00:28:44] I'm not going to play it.

[00:28:45] You have to act that part up.

[00:28:47] The fact that he just

[00:28:48] looks like he's panicking,

[00:28:49] you know, like, OK,

[00:28:51] either he's bluffing

[00:28:52] because that was also

[00:28:53] the assumption.

[00:28:54] We had some people say

[00:28:56] that in this episode,

[00:28:57] like, well, maybe he's just

[00:28:58] lying about having an idol.

[00:28:59] So it just yeah, I don't know.

[00:29:01] It just seemed like a

[00:29:02] pure panic moment.

[00:29:03] But I mean, Hunter and his

[00:29:04] priests and press said, look,

[00:29:05] I'm looking for someone who will

[00:29:07] be the strategic person.

[00:29:08] Like he recognized that

[00:29:09] that was maybe not necessarily

[00:29:10] his strong suit.

[00:29:12] So, yeah.

[00:29:14] Poor Hunter.

[00:29:15] Yeah, I mean, it's and

[00:29:17] I wonder also again,

[00:29:19] if you're looking at

[00:29:20] the vibe of the tribe,

[00:29:21] could people have not

[00:29:22] believed Hunter because

[00:29:23] the idol information they'd had

[00:29:25] so far was so public, right?

[00:29:27] Like obviously nobody knows

[00:29:29] about the Gemio to the point

[00:29:30] that Maria still thinks Ben

[00:29:32] from the secret scene last week.

[00:29:34] But like Tiffany's idol

[00:29:36] has now become such public

[00:29:38] knowledge that I imagine if

[00:29:40] someone approaches you in

[00:29:41] the 11th hour saying, oh no, I

[00:29:43] have an idol and I'm going to

[00:29:44] play it. You're like,

[00:29:45] yeah, but I feel like

[00:29:46] that information would have

[00:29:47] gotten out, especially

[00:29:48] given this cast.

[00:29:50] Right. And somebody like

[00:29:51] Hunter who, you know, his

[00:29:53] number one ally just left.

[00:29:54] He clearly feels like

[00:29:55] on the bottom.

[00:29:56] I think even even before

[00:29:57] Tevin left, some of the way

[00:29:59] that he was like acting

[00:30:00] and speaking in confessionals,

[00:30:01] he's like, he felt that his

[00:30:02] back was up against the wall

[00:30:03] just from being a challenge

[00:30:04] threat. So it does seem like

[00:30:06] that's information that would

[00:30:07] get out. The other thing

[00:30:08] I want to make sure we

[00:30:09] talk about is how baller

[00:30:10] was it that Tiffany did

[00:30:12] not play her idol?

[00:30:14] That was insane.

[00:30:17] And I genuinely like I

[00:30:20] I still wish that she

[00:30:21] had played it because

[00:30:22] I think that now going

[00:30:23] into the next vote,

[00:30:25] her target has actually

[00:30:26] expanded. Oh yeah.

[00:30:27] Given that she was brave

[00:30:28] enough not to play it.

[00:30:29] I think if she had, you

[00:30:30] know, everyone finds out

[00:30:31] about the idol.

[00:30:32] She plays it the next round.

[00:30:33] She's like, sorry guys,

[00:30:34] I didn't even want it.

[00:30:35] You know, I didn't even

[00:30:36] I felt safe.

[00:30:37] I just wanted to play it

[00:30:38] to get it on my hands.

[00:30:39] People are pretty chill.

[00:30:40] But now she's she's

[00:30:41] genuinely a real target

[00:30:42] and she has an idol

[00:30:43] that they need to flush.

[00:30:44] But I was shocked

[00:30:45] she didn't play it.

[00:30:46] Shocked.

[00:30:47] Yeah, I know.

[00:30:48] It's kind of one of those

[00:30:49] situations where it's like

[00:30:50] you just do you just got

[00:30:51] to get that off

[00:30:52] your chest to then be

[00:30:53] able to sort of sink back

[00:30:55] because otherwise you're going

[00:30:56] to continue to eke out

[00:30:57] there as a threat,

[00:30:58] especially when people who

[00:30:59] were once threats Q now

[00:31:02] have sort of fallen back

[00:31:03] and everybody's like

[00:31:05] he was not a threat.

[00:31:06] Like Q is chaotic.

[00:31:08] Like that's the main reason

[00:31:09] to get him out is that

[00:31:10] he's chaos and Venus.

[00:31:11] I feel like a lot of people

[00:31:12] feel similarly like the

[00:31:13] main reason to get her out

[00:31:14] is because she could be

[00:31:15] chaotic, not because

[00:31:16] oh, we feel like this

[00:31:17] is a person who's a

[00:31:18] threat to win the game.

[00:31:19] Yeah, it's a very good point.

[00:31:25] And I imagine though

[00:31:27] is it a little bit of that

[00:31:28] hunter mindset of like,

[00:31:30] listen, my back's against

[00:31:31] the wall anyway.

[00:31:32] Q threw my name out and

[00:31:33] we can't take that back

[00:31:34] because there is this thing

[00:31:35] too of like once your

[00:31:36] name gets thrown out there,

[00:31:37] Franny, I think you've

[00:31:38] experienced this firsthand.

[00:31:39] Like it's really tough

[00:31:41] to reel that back in,

[00:31:42] especially if you have a

[00:31:43] continuous reason to go

[00:31:44] after them that she's like,

[00:31:45] if I use my idol today,

[00:31:47] there's still a chance

[00:31:48] that I might go and

[00:31:49] if I feel super confident

[00:31:51] in this plan that I got

[00:31:52] out ahead with enough

[00:31:54] time that people actually

[00:31:55] won't vote for me.

[00:31:56] That's the fun thing

[00:31:57] about this episode.

[00:31:58] One of the things that

[00:31:59] about this episode,

[00:32:00] one of many is that

[00:32:01] the two people with idols

[00:32:02] did the exact same thing.

[00:32:04] They approached everyone

[00:32:05] en masse and said,

[00:32:06] I'm definitely playing my idol.

[00:32:08] I'm getting this monkey

[00:32:09] off my back.

[00:32:10] Don't vote for me or

[00:32:12] throw your vote away basically.

[00:32:14] And for one person it worked

[00:32:16] and for one person

[00:32:17] it didn't.

[00:32:18] Maybe it's a matter of timing.

[00:32:19] Maybe it's a matter of

[00:32:20] they wanted to go

[00:32:21] for Hunter anyway

[00:32:22] because he's this big

[00:32:23] challenge threat

[00:32:24] and he was vulnerable.

[00:32:25] But it was so interesting

[00:32:26] to see the two reactions.

[00:32:27] And I also love Tiffany's

[00:32:28] thinking of I'll only play my idol

[00:32:31] when Hunter plays his

[00:32:32] because that for her is like

[00:32:34] technically if Hunter

[00:32:35] played his idol,

[00:32:36] Q had gone.

[00:32:37] But I think in that instance

[00:32:38] you're like,

[00:32:39] I would much rather

[00:32:40] be safe than sorry.

[00:32:41] Plus to the point earlier made

[00:32:43] she still is in this situation.

[00:32:44] But in that case

[00:32:45] I don't think she necessarily

[00:32:46] would want to be like

[00:32:47] the only person left with that idol

[00:32:49] in the next vote

[00:32:50] with someone like Hunter

[00:32:51] still in the game.

[00:32:52] Yeah, definitely.

[00:32:54] The other thing that's also

[00:32:55] that's really interesting, Mike.

[00:32:56] I hadn't noticed that

[00:32:57] that both Hunter and Tiffany

[00:32:59] had done the exact same thing

[00:33:00] with like very different outcomes.

[00:33:01] And I'm trying,

[00:33:02] I was trying to like

[00:33:03] riddle out what the difference is.

[00:33:04] I think it's the timing.

[00:33:05] I also think it really helps

[00:33:07] that Tiff was not the one

[00:33:09] to tell people

[00:33:10] that she had an idol

[00:33:11] because then, you know,

[00:33:12] with Q going around

[00:33:13] saying Tiff has an idol

[00:33:14] I think there's no question

[00:33:15] of bluffing.

[00:33:16] Like in what,

[00:33:17] I mean, Q does some crazy things

[00:33:18] but like what is he getting

[00:33:19] from bluffing that Tiff

[00:33:21] has an idol?

[00:33:22] So I think that that probably

[00:33:23] helped make a difference too.

[00:33:25] Yeah, right.

[00:33:26] Exactly.

[00:33:27] Because that's, and that's why

[00:33:28] and it was like the 11th hour

[00:33:30] everybody's questioning

[00:33:31] like whether or not

[00:33:32] this is something that's real

[00:33:33] whereas Tiffany's has been out there

[00:33:34] and Tiffany has been verbally

[00:33:37] upset with Q.

[00:33:38] Like so clearly like this

[00:33:40] unless this is some super

[00:33:42] elaborate ruse

[00:33:43] it's unlikely that it was a bluff

[00:33:44] and it does feel real

[00:33:45] that Tiffany truly does have the idol.

[00:33:47] I think it was Venus and Liz

[00:33:48] that were sitting next to each other

[00:33:49] when they overheard Tiffany

[00:33:51] and Q like yelling at the beach

[00:33:53] that was a very, very funny reaction

[00:33:55] to like the domestic dispute.

[00:33:57] I mean this episode was hysterical

[00:33:59] from reactions particularly from Venus

[00:34:01] who kind of acts the same way

[00:34:03] whether she's on the bottom

[00:34:05] or quote unquote on the top

[00:34:06] or less on the bottom

[00:34:07] as she was this episode

[00:34:08] between like her approaching Hunter

[00:34:10] like come on Mr. Strategy

[00:34:12] and them being so blunt

[00:34:14] to each other's faces with

[00:34:16] oh yeah I voted for you

[00:34:17] because I knew Tevin was going

[00:34:19] but I knew nobody would be mad

[00:34:21] if I wrote your name down

[00:34:22] and she goes I'm mad

[00:34:23] he goes well you're always mad

[00:34:24] it's mad

[00:34:25] the wild thing about this

[00:34:26] that conversation was shown to happen

[00:34:28] before the challenge

[00:34:29] it actually happened after the challenge

[00:34:32] it happened the afternoon

[00:34:34] while they were scrambling

[00:34:35] and running around the place

[00:34:36] Hunter said the sequence of events

[00:34:37] was that he was approached by the Seagulls

[00:34:40] about this plan to vote off Tiffany

[00:34:42] with Kenzie

[00:34:43] that was like the scene that we got

[00:34:44] and then like Q walked over the boat

[00:34:46] and then Venus did

[00:34:47] and then it led directly into this scene

[00:34:50] and then it leads so beautifully

[00:34:51] into Hunter walking up to her

[00:34:53] saying I have an idol

[00:34:55] and she just stares at him

[00:34:56] and he goes you look so unimpressed

[00:35:01] oh my gosh

[00:35:02] that's interesting yeah

[00:35:03] because there was um

[00:35:05] Venus actually says something

[00:35:06] in that conversation

[00:35:09] where she's like

[00:35:10] well I'm happy to be safe

[00:35:11] or like it feels good to be safe

[00:35:12] or something like that

[00:35:14] so it's like okay

[00:35:15] that's weird that it happened after

[00:35:17] he's like did you win immunity

[00:35:18] like no

[00:35:20] but okay interesting

[00:35:21] yeah she says the piece of knowing

[00:35:23] you're not going home is so sweet

[00:35:27] okay I see interesting

[00:35:29] their relationship is so funny

[00:35:32] I love about Venus

[00:35:34] you know her confessals are great

[00:35:35] I love that she's just like

[00:35:36] she says whatever she's thinking

[00:35:38] my favorite thing about her

[00:35:39] is her willingness

[00:35:40] it sounds like

[00:35:41] which is what happened in this clip

[00:35:42] that we didn't actually see

[00:35:43] her willingness to just walk up

[00:35:44] to conversations

[00:35:45] and be like

[00:35:46] I'm just gonna walk up

[00:35:47] what are they gonna do?

[00:35:48] it's so funny

[00:35:49] because it's like

[00:35:50] you're right

[00:35:51] like we have these

[00:35:52] you know invisible walls

[00:35:53] where they're talking over there

[00:35:54] I can't go disrupt it

[00:35:56] I like that she just

[00:35:57] she you know breaks him down

[00:35:58] wrecking ball and all

[00:35:59] yeah she's awesome

[00:36:00] yeah she's very Daenerys Targaryen

[00:36:02] right like she's gonna break the wheel

[00:36:04] and it's also probably

[00:36:05] a bit of a polarizing leader

[00:36:07] I should say

[00:36:08] we gotta talk about speaking

[00:36:09] of breaking protocols

[00:36:10] Franny

[00:36:11] I mean even from your new era perspective

[00:36:13] are you like

[00:36:14] shaking your fist at the screen

[00:36:15] saying back in my day

[00:36:16] Jeff didn't offer snacks

[00:36:17] at tribal council

[00:36:18] oh yeah

[00:36:19] I think Jeff probably feels very bad

[00:36:22] that they didn't get rice

[00:36:23] I think you know

[00:36:24] back in my day

[00:36:25] everyone just agreed

[00:36:26] that we should get rice

[00:36:27] so I think that

[00:36:28] that was a fun moment from Jeff

[00:36:30] it's funny because Jeff is like

[00:36:32] I feel like he's sort of

[00:36:34] refinding his footing

[00:36:36] I think that he

[00:36:38] you know he was like sassy

[00:36:39] for so long

[00:36:41] and then he was

[00:36:43] really on this train

[00:36:44] of like

[00:36:45] I'm supporting you

[00:36:46] and you're all living out your dreams

[00:36:48] and this is

[00:36:49] you know I feel like he was kind of

[00:36:50] on that train for a while

[00:36:51] and now he's trying to strike this

[00:36:53] happy medium

[00:36:54] but it's funny because he like

[00:36:55] alternates between

[00:36:56] really blatantly

[00:36:58] like

[00:36:59] ripping on the players

[00:37:01] that moment of challenge was

[00:37:03] insane

[00:37:04] if Jeff had said that about a group

[00:37:06] that I was in

[00:37:07] I think I might have started crying

[00:37:09] to be totally honest with you

[00:37:11] I guess I'm not gonna win

[00:37:13] I guess I'm not gonna win

[00:37:14] oh my god

[00:37:15] so to go from that

[00:37:16] to like

[00:37:17] you know Jeff is at home

[00:37:18] in his cabana or whatever

[00:37:20] like popping microwaves

[00:37:21] popcorn and thinking

[00:37:22] yeah I'm gonna give this to them tonight

[00:37:23] like I'll show them

[00:37:24] that I'm not so mean

[00:37:25] it's so funny

[00:37:26] it's a funny visual

[00:37:28] Jeff's like planning out his bits

[00:37:30] he's like got his cushion in hand

[00:37:31] he's like I'm ready to go

[00:37:33] that's what you get to do

[00:37:34] with like

[00:37:35] yeah phone wallet keys

[00:37:36] popcorn

[00:37:37] butt cushion

[00:37:38] yeah

[00:37:39] okay I'm good

[00:37:40] that's what they know

[00:37:41] he has like a bunch of note cards

[00:37:42] and he's trying to arrange them

[00:37:43] like a sketch show of like

[00:37:45] okay so if I insult one team

[00:37:48] I think I could then follow it up

[00:37:49] with butt cushion and popcorn

[00:37:51] I think that feels like a nice pairing

[00:37:53] butt cushion

[00:37:54] it's an equalizer

[00:37:55] everybody loves the butt cushion

[00:37:56] and then we give them popcorn

[00:37:58] yeah

[00:37:59] oh my gosh Franny though

[00:38:01] the challenge thing

[00:38:02] it also felt like it just came out of nowhere

[00:38:05] it was like

[00:38:06] yes

[00:38:07] what?

[00:38:08] and then

[00:38:09] it was like

[00:38:10] it was like

[00:38:11] and then continues during the commentary

[00:38:13] I thought they were going to suck ass

[00:38:15] they were going to be the most worst team ever

[00:38:17] but I'm wrong

[00:38:18] it's like what is happening right now?

[00:38:20] it's giving similar

[00:38:22] sort of similar to the surprise of in 45

[00:38:25] with the knife with the rice

[00:38:27] yes

[00:38:28] which is all of a sudden you're just like

[00:38:29] ah

[00:38:30] Jeff

[00:38:31] what is happening right now?

[00:38:32] well the odd thing about that one is like

[00:38:33] I'm gonna say what everyone at home is thinking

[00:38:36] which is like first off

[00:38:37] have you met this fan base

[00:38:39] that is not a good thing to say

[00:38:40] there is no such thing as a universal statement

[00:38:44] that can apply to the survivor fan base

[00:38:45] but B

[00:38:46] what a wild statement to make

[00:38:48] many many months in advance of like

[00:38:50] I know that these people are sitting here

[00:38:52] saying that you three are losers right now

[00:38:55] and there's no follow up statement to your play Franny

[00:38:57] it's like

[00:38:58] good luck with that

[00:38:59] use that as fuel if you want to

[00:39:02] yeah it's so odd

[00:39:04] I think he's trying really hard to be sassy

[00:39:08] is what I think it is

[00:39:09] and with the knife too

[00:39:11] we don't need to turn to prop comedy

[00:39:13] you can make a couple of sassy jokes

[00:39:16] we don't need to pull out the knife

[00:39:18] yeah I think he really wants to bring back that side of him

[00:39:22] and he's like this is the cast to do it

[00:39:24] they're chaotic

[00:39:25] it doesn't matter if I insult them

[00:39:26] they're gonna do something weird no matter what

[00:39:28] yes that was my other thought

[00:39:30] talk about matching the energy of your cast

[00:39:33] talk about matching the social construct

[00:39:35] this group is created Jeff

[00:39:37] this group is created Jeff is just leaning straight into that

[00:39:40] well that's the thing in my opinion

[00:39:42] I don't think he expected to be giving out popcorn

[00:39:45] I think he genuinely like sat back and was like

[00:39:48] I'm gonna be eating the popcorn tonight

[00:39:50] like he looks legitimately surprised when Charlie's like

[00:39:53] oh well now you have to share this with the rest of the class

[00:39:55] and then he's like oh yeah okay I guess I will

[00:39:58] like back in those days when he would give everyone like

[00:40:00] a sliver of a Snickers bar to sample what they were playing for

[00:40:03] and so because I mean

[00:40:05] there was I say that out of one side of my mouth

[00:40:07] but the other thing was

[00:40:08] talks about this on fire the official survivor podcast

[00:40:12] if we had gone down a certain line of thinking

[00:40:14] that Jeff was going down with some of the people

[00:40:16] he had been texting about to build this idea

[00:40:19] it could have been bigger

[00:40:21] at one point they were considering wheeling in

[00:40:25] a popcorn machine

[00:40:27] like one of those things you see at the fair

[00:40:30] like the red ones

[00:40:31] yeah next two years

[00:40:34] you know your 50-50 raffle tickets

[00:40:36] and he would have allowed them to get up

[00:40:39] throughout tribal council not to whisper to each other

[00:40:42] but to help themselves to popcorn

[00:40:44] as the evening would carry forward

[00:40:47] wait I like that more

[00:40:51] go for it go all the way

[00:40:55] I also I love the idea of like

[00:40:57] you know we have this like tribal council set

[00:41:00] that's very like it's you know creating this very intense atmosphere

[00:41:03] like the seats and the lighting whatever

[00:41:05] and then somebody just rolled

[00:41:07] a popcorn machine

[00:41:09] like this isn't supposed to be here

[00:41:11] oh man we missed out

[00:41:13] that would have been really fun

[00:41:15] I'm also imagining just circus music playing for some reason

[00:41:18] like season is like a clown show

[00:41:21] so I think it only makes sense

[00:41:23] but also could you imagine like

[00:41:25] you talk about Jeff using popcorn as props

[00:41:27] imagine everyone else like

[00:41:29] could you imagine Tiffany getting a bowl of popcorn

[00:41:31] and just dumping it on Q's head

[00:41:33] or like

[00:41:35] food fight

[00:41:37] yeah hunters throwing kernels at Liz to be like

[00:41:39] hey talk to me talk to me about what's going on

[00:41:41] like it would just be outright mayhem

[00:41:43] on top of the already existing mayhem

[00:41:45] that was happening at that tribal council

[00:41:47] oh my goodness

[00:41:49] that would have been

[00:41:51] could they just not get a popcorn maker

[00:41:53] or Jeff is like no it's too much

[00:41:55] what was the limiting

[00:41:57] they said that it felt it was too distracting

[00:41:59] with the idea of like all you can eat popcorn

[00:42:01] oh you can help yourself just get up

[00:42:03] I mean Friday listen you were there in attendance

[00:42:05] for one of those all you can eat pizza

[00:42:07] reunions where I would imagine it's a little bit

[00:42:09] distracting when you're trying to maintain a conversation

[00:42:11] yeah and let's be real

[00:42:13] Liz probably would have just walked up there

[00:42:15] and just stood there the whole time

[00:42:17] she's just eating

[00:42:19] Liz actually no longer is participating

[00:42:21] in tribal she's just eating popcorn

[00:42:23] so yeah I think it would have messed with the flow

[00:42:25] a little bit for sure

[00:42:27] mm-hmm yeah

[00:42:29] I mean it was a really fun flow though

[00:42:31] too like I love

[00:42:33] the fact that there is a lot

[00:42:35] of bloviating that's happened in Survivor Season

[00:42:37] past of like oh it's so chaotic

[00:42:39] and so up in the air but like it's usually a pretty

[00:42:41] row outcome but it feels like

[00:42:43] these tribal councils if there isn't

[00:42:45] votes that are changed there's at least like

[00:42:47] a lot of stuff up in the air

[00:42:49] considering that this legitimately felt like there were two

[00:42:51] different conversations happening where

[00:42:53] the front row is being the good students

[00:42:55] trying to entertain all of Jeff's questions

[00:42:57] while eating popcorn and Hunter

[00:42:59] is the bad kid in class

[00:43:01] causing so much mayhem being like

[00:43:03] Charlie, Charlie are you

[00:43:05] voting for me? Charlie get Liz

[00:43:07] can you get Liz can you ask Liz

[00:43:09] if she's voting for me like it legitimately

[00:43:11] felt like two different narratives happening I thought

[00:43:13] the editing was so good

[00:43:15] in that listen I don't think

[00:43:17] any of us really felt like oh yeah Hunter

[00:43:19] is going to survive the vote but I think it allowed

[00:43:21] us to kind of like get in his head space of

[00:43:23] okay he's receiving all this confirmation

[00:43:25] from people he's freaking out

[00:43:27] but he's going to back away from playing it at the

[00:43:29] last second because he's been

[00:43:31] basically walked out to the

[00:43:33] edge of the plank by everybody else

[00:43:35] I'm imagining

[00:43:37] Hunter in class

[00:43:39] like writing notes being like

[00:43:41] are you voting me yes or no

[00:43:43] passes to Maria

[00:43:45] passes to Maria circle one

[00:43:47] circle one

[00:43:49] just trying to like get it that's yeah

[00:43:51] it was a it was obviously a very wild

[00:43:53] tribal council it's it's tough to

[00:43:55] compare to like last week's tribal council

[00:43:57] which felt definitely more of a like

[00:43:59] WTF what is even happening right now

[00:44:01] whereas this was okay at least

[00:44:03] I feel like I understand the narrative of what's

[00:44:05] happening and the decision that's trying

[00:44:07] to be made so somewhat more comprehensible

[00:44:09] than last week but still

[00:44:11] as you said very very chaotic

[00:44:13] yeah last week

[00:44:15] last week was wild like we didn't even get

[00:44:17] to the meat of Jeff asking

[00:44:19] whatever questions he wanted to ask

[00:44:21] literally like one question Q was like

[00:44:23] I'm going to actually take

[00:44:25] this in a totally different direction

[00:44:27] so it was also because that was just

[00:44:29] so weird it was refreshing to have like

[00:44:31] sort of a more normal travel that was a little

[00:44:33] easier to follow more normal I say

[00:44:35] more normal yeah

[00:44:37] even then there's

[00:44:39] more hijacking where it's like

[00:44:41] hey Q ask about what's happening

[00:44:43] at the last vote and then

[00:44:45] you know he mentioned something and Tiffany's like

[00:44:47] Jeff can I say something now and then they

[00:44:49] just start arguing back and forth

[00:44:51] okay you put out Hunter's name

[00:44:53] did I looks to Venus so it still

[00:44:55] even feels like to your point yes a degree

[00:44:57] more so towards the same

[00:44:59] but like still especially

[00:45:01] compared to new era tribal councils

[00:45:03] I mean Franny is this something that like

[00:45:05] you wish you were more of a part of in your season

[00:45:07] or are you more so glad hey you and not

[00:45:09] me yeah so

[00:45:11] I love it from a viewer

[00:45:13] perspective I'm like a

[00:45:15] like if we're using the class analogy

[00:45:17] I am so the teacher's pet

[00:45:19] like I want Jeff to ask his question

[00:45:21] I want to raise my hand and I want to give

[00:45:23] my little spectacular answer and then you know

[00:45:25] sit there quietly so I think it's not my

[00:45:27] style like the one kind of live travel

[00:45:29] we had in my season

[00:45:31] I froze

[00:45:33] under pressure like I panicked

[00:45:35] it was so it was so confusing

[00:45:37] I was like I'm just gonna sit here really quietly

[00:45:39] really still maybe nobody will notice

[00:45:41] that I'm still here and they'll just

[00:45:43] figure it out around me but I think

[00:45:45] that this is probably why Jeff

[00:45:47] you know is bringing the popcorn

[00:45:49] he has to be so excited that

[00:45:51] he doesn't have to you know

[00:45:53] sit there and come up with his own analogies

[00:45:55] to get information out of people

[00:45:57] Jeff just has to like say

[00:45:59] alright and then it all

[00:46:01] starts and that makes things a lot more

[00:46:03] easy and a lot more interesting for him

[00:46:05] so I love it and I think it must be fun

[00:46:07] to be a part of as a player just because it's so

[00:46:09] electric I think like tribal can

[00:46:11] get a little repetitive

[00:46:13] and especially if you're on the bottom and you

[00:46:15] really want to try to get information

[00:46:17] from a tribal clearly it

[00:46:19] didn't work for Hunter in this case he kind of got

[00:46:21] the wrong information but

[00:46:23] you're gonna get a hell of a lot more

[00:46:25] from a really wild travel

[00:46:27] where people are talking than one where everyone's

[00:46:29] kind of you know quietly making random

[00:46:31] metaphors so I like it

[00:46:33] it's really fun yeah and everyone

[00:46:35] is again so so blunt

[00:46:37] even the people that you least expect

[00:46:39] in this last tribal council Q

[00:46:41] says you know I've been at the beach

[00:46:43] by myself for most of the day I haven't

[00:46:45] been talking to anyone and Ben just says oh it's been

[00:46:47] nice like

[00:46:49] from Ben it was so funny

[00:46:51] yeah that's the thing if you pissed

[00:46:53] off Ben where he's also calling you

[00:46:55] like a poser loser in the beginning of the episode

[00:46:57] you know you've done something wrong

[00:46:59] oh my god when that happened I was like

[00:47:01] Ben like who

[00:47:03] put a nickel in Ben like what happened

[00:47:05] like oh my gosh the bat and Ben

[00:47:07] was like on it he was like complaining to other people

[00:47:09] he was complaining in his confessionals it was like

[00:47:11] everything about how Q

[00:47:13] was a disaster and how he didn't like it

[00:47:15] I was like oh my gosh he wasn't here

[00:47:17] for the shenanigans he said it last night

[00:47:19] but even in another moment where

[00:47:21] Jeff asks like Maria

[00:47:23] is Q playing a sophisticated game

[00:47:25] of crazy and Maria just says no

[00:47:27] like these are

[00:47:29] again probably the Siegas are

[00:47:31] the calmer personalities the more

[00:47:33] stable players out of this group and even

[00:47:35] they cannot help but pop off

[00:47:37] when they are not feeling good about something

[00:47:39] I know amazing

[00:47:41] I love it yeah that is really the

[00:47:43] litmus test like if Ben thinks

[00:47:45] you're bad vibes you've done something very

[00:47:47] horribly wrong like this is

[00:47:49] yeah it's going downhill

[00:47:51] which I get as well and he expressed it a couple

[00:47:53] times in this episode that Q

[00:47:55] throwing himself on his sword he

[00:47:57] specifically said right I'm

[00:47:59] gonna stop I'm gonna remove myself

[00:48:01] from the game so you all can start with

[00:48:03] a clean slate and you all can start

[00:48:05] playing and the implication is like

[00:48:07] you all weren't playing

[00:48:09] until I left the game

[00:48:11] there still is that sense of ownership or like

[00:48:13] to your point Leona you asked like

[00:48:15] what would have happened if they did

[00:48:17] you know succeeding Q's wishes

[00:48:19] and vote him out I think he goes to final

[00:48:21] tribal and is like yeah but let's

[00:48:23] face it you all didn't start playing

[00:48:25] until I decided to remove myself

[00:48:27] from the game until Q

[00:48:29] climbed up on the cross that begins with Q

[00:48:31] and so I think Ben was like

[00:48:33] rightfully pissed about that

[00:48:35] that Q

[00:48:37] was trying to say to the jury

[00:48:39] as well yet nobody's playing

[00:48:41] right now I'm the only one who's doing

[00:48:43] so

[00:48:45] yeah it wasn't just implied he like outright

[00:48:47] said it essentially so okay

[00:48:49] alright well

[00:48:51] let's continue to talk about Hunter

[00:48:53] here because Leona like you mentioned

[00:48:55] Hunter was a big presence in the

[00:48:57] preseason we're not just talking about his

[00:48:59] size he had the makings

[00:49:01] of potentially a Jonathan

[00:49:03] type a JT type if you will

[00:49:05] kind of wound up being a little bit of both

[00:49:07] but how did you think he was going to

[00:49:09] do in the preseason

[00:49:11] okay so I had Hunter making

[00:49:13] the jury I said that

[00:49:15] Hunter builds survivor challenges for

[00:49:17] his students so of course he leads

[00:49:19] Nami to victory in many pre-jury

[00:49:21] challenges socially

[00:49:23] Hunter struggles to find permanent allies

[00:49:25] first losing Randen

[00:49:27] then Tim he connects with Kenzie

[00:49:29] but she like many others clocks

[00:49:31] his challenge beast status

[00:49:33] when Hunter loses an individual

[00:49:35] immunity challenge everyone jumps

[00:49:37] at the opportunity to take him out

[00:49:39] in the season's first unanimous

[00:49:41] vote Jeff is sad

[00:49:43] and then I wrote Hunter wins

[00:49:45] two individual immunities

[00:49:47] and that his allies were Tim

[00:49:49] Randen and the challenge department

[00:49:51] and his enemy was Maria

[00:49:53] wow I mean you got a lot

[00:49:55] of that stuff look at you shooting your shot as well

[00:49:57] by naming the exact number of immunities

[00:49:59] he would win yeah I know

[00:50:01] yeah look I mean

[00:50:03] I think I had a very clear vision

[00:50:05] for how I envision how vision

[00:50:07] for my how I envision yes so I

[00:50:09] very clearly was like this is what

[00:50:11] Hunter's doing this is what I'm writing

[00:50:13] how do I figure out the narrative around that

[00:50:15] and you know I do think that he was someone who maybe

[00:50:17] could have succeeded more socially

[00:50:19] but I just feel

[00:50:21] like he really I don't know he

[00:50:23] seemed pretty quiet out there especially

[00:50:25] compared to everybody else and we talk about matching

[00:50:27] the energy it just felt like something that he

[00:50:29] in preseason I think I had higher

[00:50:31] potentially higher hopes that he just like wasn't

[00:50:33] able to really match that energy of the

[00:50:35] intensity of the season well

[00:50:37] I'm gonna put my survivor fan hat

[00:50:39] on again and go out on a limb

[00:50:41] and say that I am not going

[00:50:43] to get this prediction correct

[00:50:45] comparison to Liana

[00:50:47] I mean it's just because it's like

[00:50:49] immaculate to match up to you but I will try

[00:50:51] my best so I

[00:50:53] slash Brant Steel had

[00:50:55] Hunter simulated to actually go out

[00:50:57] as our Mergetory boot

[00:50:59] oh okay missed out on the jury

[00:51:01] I said that Hunter lives up to his own

[00:51:03] preseason prediction as his

[00:51:05] game is valued almost purely on his

[00:51:07] challenge prowess and camp life skills

[00:51:09] over strategy his

[00:51:11] good old boy perception will make him an

[00:51:13] easy pick up for fellow southerner Tevin

[00:51:15] and the two of them and Soda run things

[00:51:17] on Nami towards the end of the

[00:51:19] pre merge Hunter will get sent on a journey

[00:51:21] where he'll finally get to interact with his

[00:51:23] fellow Mississippi boy Q

[00:51:25] the two immediately click and make

[00:51:27] a plan to work together unfortunately

[00:51:29] that plan is way too visible

[00:51:31] by the rest of the tribe the Seagulls

[00:51:33] try to break up a new budding cross

[00:51:35] tribal coalition by going after Hunter

[00:51:37] and Mergetory they're joined by

[00:51:39] Tiffany and Kenzie who are wary

[00:51:41] of their closest allies suddenly becoming

[00:51:43] buddy buddy with something else

[00:51:45] his allies were Tevin

[00:51:47] and Q and his enemy was

[00:51:49] Seagull

[00:51:51] don't sell yourself short

[00:51:53] yeah yeah at the beginning

[00:51:55] really I was like are you just reading

[00:51:57] a recap of the season

[00:51:59] that's really good alright well

[00:52:01] that was the inner Jeff my inner saboteur

[00:52:03] was the one that was telling me I couldn't do it but now I'm Liz

[00:52:05] kicking things over

[00:52:07] you ho bags

[00:52:09] what the hell you ho bags

[00:52:11] do you think

[00:52:13] she's gonna make like Kelly made

[00:52:15] from last season of what the hell guys

[00:52:17] is gonna make Brandon merch of what the hell you ho bags

[00:52:19] what the hell

[00:52:21] yeah maybe they could do a collaboration

[00:52:23] these two things aren't so different

[00:52:25] similar energy

[00:52:27] I think Leanna and I had some similar energy in our predictions

[00:52:29] but Franny it is all down to

[00:52:31] you're the Tiffany I guess in this split vote

[00:52:33] who do you think was more accurate about

[00:52:35] how Hunter would do

[00:52:37] I have

[00:52:39] got to give it to Leanna I'm sorry

[00:52:41] that was really spot on

[00:52:43] I mean Mike you had the

[00:52:45] kind of pre merge part

[00:52:47] clocked I was actually the most shocking

[00:52:49] part of your prediction was the fact that

[00:52:51] he would go to a journey and meet Q

[00:52:53] that was like too accurate

[00:52:55] for my taste I got a little like

[00:52:57] sixth sense happening here

[00:52:59] but Leanna I just feel like you

[00:53:01] you know kind of the overall vibe of Hunter's

[00:53:03] trajectory you really clocked

[00:53:05] unfortunately for him but fortunately

[00:53:07] for you it was really good

[00:53:09] can I throw out a Hunter question

[00:53:11] because look we wouldn't be

[00:53:13] recording this podcast on

[00:53:15] Sunday April 28th if I didn't bring up

[00:53:17] the news that is 12 hours old

[00:53:19] which is Jeff Probst has

[00:53:21] officially made it announced

[00:53:23] that Survivor 50

[00:53:25] which is coming up in a couple years but still

[00:53:27] is going to be a returnee season

[00:53:29] the first seemingly full

[00:53:31] returnee season at least a good chunk of them will be

[00:53:33] returnees in the new era

[00:53:35] and I've seen obviously some comparisons

[00:53:37] between Hunter and

[00:53:39] Jonathan in terms of

[00:53:41] you know challenge proud was certainly

[00:53:43] I would say maybe more so like

[00:53:45] individual performances and team challenges

[00:53:47] I mean there was definitely a lot of comparisons

[00:53:49] between like Jonathan dragging

[00:53:51] his team through torrential waters

[00:53:53] versus what Hunter was able to do

[00:53:55] and using Tevin's momentum to bring

[00:53:57] him over the little rolling pin

[00:53:59] back in episode 3

[00:54:01] and so I guess the question I have is

[00:54:03] let's put on our casting hats for a second

[00:54:05] do we think they're going for like

[00:54:07] the same slot in a returnee season

[00:54:09] and if so who do you think is

[00:54:11] more likely to get cast between the two?

[00:54:15] Interesting

[00:54:17] I

[00:54:19] yeah I guess they fall into the

[00:54:21] same slot I mean I think that one

[00:54:23] thing about this group of

[00:54:25] okay so all new era

[00:54:27] right? I don't know

[00:54:29] well okay let's just say

[00:54:31] hypothetically new era

[00:54:33] who are like the really big strong

[00:54:35] guys?

[00:54:37] Jonathan, Hunter

[00:54:39] Ryan

[00:54:41] Q

[00:54:43] Ryan

[00:54:45] I don't think

[00:54:47] Q's funny because he's throwing challenges

[00:54:49] Q to me

[00:54:51] is giving war dog where it's like he kind of

[00:54:53] seems like he should be good at challenges but then he gets

[00:54:55] down and you're like why is this guy stuck?

[00:54:57] It's war dog but turn the G backwards and it's a Q

[00:54:59] It's so good

[00:55:01] I love that

[00:55:03] War dog

[00:55:05] If you're going to cast

[00:55:07] I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I just feel

[00:55:09] in the new era that there's not a lot of people

[00:55:11] who occupy that space

[00:55:13] when it comes to that particular

[00:55:15] casting profile so if you're

[00:55:17] looking for someone who's going to take that slot

[00:55:19] I think there's a very few people to choose

[00:55:21] from which I do think then brings us back to

[00:55:23] the Jonathan V Hunter

[00:55:25] discussion

[00:55:27] For me I think I would rather see

[00:55:29] Hunter play again

[00:55:31] This could be completely an editing thing

[00:55:33] but I do feel like there's more to Hunter's

[00:55:35] game

[00:55:37] It feels like there's more depth there than with

[00:55:39] Jonathan's and I think that another

[00:55:41] opportunity again reveals more layers

[00:55:43] and I think for Hunter to be able to do that would be

[00:55:45] my personal preference

[00:55:47] I don't want to force

[00:55:49] your hand considering that listen

[00:55:51] we may be talking with somebody that

[00:55:53] might be in the mix for said season

[00:55:55] Trying to get me some editing smoke?

[00:55:57] Who do you hate?

[00:55:59] I'm like who do I hate?

[00:56:01] I'm here for the drama, I want people to be vocal

[00:56:03] and be blunt

[00:56:05] Did you bring popcorn? I'll just go through a list of my least

[00:56:07] favorite new era players

[00:56:09] I think of the two

[00:56:11] it's an interesting dichotomy because I also think

[00:56:13] I do see

[00:56:15] one of them getting cast but it begs the question

[00:56:17] Do we need one of the

[00:56:19] biggest strongest guys there?

[00:56:21] Is that a slot that we necessarily need to fill?

[00:56:23] But I think if I put

[00:56:25] a survivor producer hat on

[00:56:27] A big contributing factor to who gets

[00:56:29] cast for returning player season

[00:56:31] I would imagine is

[00:56:33] who still has story

[00:56:35] left to uncover, like exactly what you were saying

[00:56:37] Leona with the layers

[00:56:39] And Jonathan though

[00:56:41] Jeff drooled over

[00:56:43] his prowess

[00:56:45] Jonathan made it really far and I feel like

[00:56:47] we really got to see his

[00:56:49] style of play

[00:56:51] come to fruition

[00:56:53] and not work out for him whereas Hunter

[00:56:55] left early enough that there's still

[00:56:57] so much potential for him

[00:56:59] and I really do think that

[00:57:01] Hunter is an interesting player

[00:57:03] because he

[00:57:05] was talking in preseason about how he thought he would

[00:57:07] be targeted for his

[00:57:09] challenge strength. I wonder if he

[00:57:11] went in with that mindset

[00:57:13] in a way that became

[00:57:15] detrimental to him

[00:57:17] Self-sabotage

[00:57:19] Yeah, I feel like

[00:57:21] he was making good connections

[00:57:23] He does seem quite personable

[00:57:25] and I think he could have

[00:57:27] made that more of the story of his

[00:57:29] game. He only, what did he

[00:57:31] He won one challenge?

[00:57:33] He won one last individual immunity

[00:57:35] Okay, yeah so he won an individual immunity

[00:57:37] and that's huge

[00:57:39] But somebody like Charlie

[00:57:41] is doing pretty much equally well in the

[00:57:43] individual challenges as Hunter is

[00:57:45] He outlasted Hunter in that

[00:57:47] the Bermuda Triangle

[00:57:49] challenge and he was right there

[00:57:51] at the end on the pole challenge and then won this one

[00:57:53] But nobody's saying that

[00:57:55] about Charlie, at least not yet

[00:57:57] He's like this major challenge piece

[00:57:59] So I think that he maybe

[00:58:01] shot himself in the foot a little bit

[00:58:03] and I would be curious to see what happens if Hunter

[00:58:05] comes back and has a different mindset around that

[00:58:07] and can maybe

[00:58:09] Maybe he's not on a tribe that wins every single

[00:58:11] pre-merge challenge and people kind of break up

[00:58:13] that perception of him. I think he could do

[00:58:15] better. Well if he shone himself in the foot

[00:58:17] we definitely see it considering all the close ups there were

[00:58:19] I think he's going to be a great

[00:58:21] athlete in this episode

[00:58:23] Oh my god

[00:58:25] We had that on my season

[00:58:27] too, both of the challenges that I won were

[00:58:29] foot forward I would say

[00:58:31] Which is like

[00:58:33] I'm anti-feet

[00:58:35] especially my own

[00:58:37] I don't look down there

[00:58:39] So it's very unfortunate with all the

[00:58:41] close up shots of my wiggling toes

[00:58:43] It's not cute

[00:58:45] Yeah feet are so weird

[00:58:47] They're like you walk on them but you have toes?

[00:58:49] Like what are you posing for?

[00:58:51] They're like hands

[00:58:53] Not fully not hands though

[00:58:55] They're weird hands, they're like hands

[00:58:57] with tiny little

[00:58:59] not dexterous fingers

[00:59:01] Yeah feet are like wish.com

[00:59:03] hands, you know? They're like oh these are

[00:59:05] hands? Great, like wait what's going on with the

[00:59:07] fingers? I'm just imagining

[00:59:09] like mom can we get hands? We have

[00:59:11] hands at home, the hands at home

[00:59:13] Can somebody make that meme?

[00:59:15] I totally agree with the two of you

[00:59:19] I totally agree with the two of you

[00:59:21] where I agree that I think

[00:59:23] Jonathan is the bigger character of

[00:59:25] the two and helped by the fact that to your point

[00:59:27] Franny, he made it to the last

[00:59:29] possible point you could before

[00:59:31] the final three

[00:59:33] But I think a couple of factors contributing against him

[00:59:35] is A, the fact that

[00:59:37] Hunter does have this second chance

[00:59:39] sort of unfinished business potential

[00:59:41] of he went out with this idol

[00:59:43] in his pocket even outside of that

[00:59:45] He was expressing to me about his

[00:59:47] thinking behind what was going like

[00:59:49] clearly yes the thinking may have been

[00:59:51] incredibly risky perhaps

[00:59:53] unnecessarily so I think

[00:59:55] nine out of ten people even if you think the

[00:59:57] vote margin is that player

[00:59:59] idol no matter what but like

[01:00:01] does show that he has some

[01:00:03] capabilities there

[01:00:05] I also think on top of that

[01:00:07] Jonathan struggled a lot

[01:00:09] with the nutritional stuff in the new

[01:00:11] era if you remember correctly that like because

[01:00:13] of the lack of food like

[01:00:15] he was starving away

[01:00:17] and that made him a little bit more hangry a little bit more spicy

[01:00:19] in his own regard

[01:00:21] but I do wonder like

[01:00:23] if that's something he would necessarily want to

[01:00:25] put himself back into especially

[01:00:27] with like the two percent body fat

[01:00:29] that he maintains versus someone like

[01:00:31] Hunter who like I guess

[01:00:33] compared to Liz everyone's doing fine

[01:00:35] but like it seemed like he wasn't having

[01:00:37] as much difficulty as a quote

[01:00:39] unquote bigger guy with the elements than someone like

[01:00:41] Jonathan did.

[01:00:43] Yeah well and I think also like

[01:00:45] okay no offense to Jonathan

[01:00:47] but like how much does

[01:00:49] he care about Survivor?

[01:00:53] A critical question.

[01:00:55] A critical question I'm just saying like of the two

[01:00:57] also who would want to come back but I don't know

[01:00:59] I think I go to Franny's point about like

[01:01:01] okay is this absolutely necessary

[01:01:03] like if you're if you are starting to

[01:01:05] put together your cast which I'm sure people

[01:01:07] are already starting to do you know

[01:01:09] is that spot like is that a spot somebody

[01:01:11] that you're like oh yeah we definitely need to have this person

[01:01:13] because I feel like there's so many great

[01:01:15] people just in the new

[01:01:17] era that you can pick from

[01:01:19] so Hunter to me does not pop

[01:01:21] to the top of mind that I

[01:01:23] personally might pick but you

[01:01:25] never know I think diversity is really important

[01:01:27] so maybe we do need a big strong guy

[01:01:29] on the season. I mean yes

[01:01:31] I agree but on the other

[01:01:33] hand there is

[01:01:35] a sizable chunk

[01:01:37] of the fan base that was very

[01:01:39] pro Hunter. Yeah and I told you

[01:01:41] I didn't get it.

[01:01:43] But I think that's like that is

[01:01:45] you know the numbers end

[01:01:47] up winning out in the game of Survivor

[01:01:49] so I do think you know

[01:01:51] like the I've seen

[01:01:53] so much Hunter content of like I'm

[01:01:55] not watching the show anymore he was the best

[01:01:57] player he was the only one I'm rooting for

[01:01:59] etc etc and so I think

[01:02:01] even from our perspective we felt like his

[01:02:03] character was a bit more muted just compared

[01:02:05] to everyone else around

[01:02:07] him. He definitely echoed

[01:02:09] with a certain part of the fan base

[01:02:11] that is also quite vocal as well

[01:02:13] so I think there's a sizable chance

[01:02:15] him or someone like him could be back

[01:02:17] on a returning season. I think him

[01:02:19] probably. Yeah I think

[01:02:21] really what it comes down to is if

[01:02:23] there is kind of clear theming

[01:02:25] around that season, season 50

[01:02:27] like if it's a if it's like a legends

[01:02:29] of the new era then I think it would

[01:02:31] probably have to be Jonathan. If

[01:02:33] it's second chance new era players

[01:02:35] then certainly Hunter

[01:02:37] just because I think yeah though

[01:02:39] they occupy a similar niche their

[01:02:41] stories are quite different.

[01:02:43] Well let's move into the next

[01:02:45] chapter of our story here on the

[01:02:47] B&B and look the dynamics

[01:02:49] of Survivor 46

[01:02:51] seem to get mixed up

[01:02:53] every day where we

[01:02:55] can't necessarily tell

[01:02:57] our A's from our Z's

[01:02:59] or our Q's if you will.

[01:03:01] So I thought I would apply the metaphor

[01:03:03] once again and no we're not going to a factory

[01:03:05] here. We're instead

[01:03:07] gonna be playing a good old game

[01:03:09] of Survivor Anagrams.

[01:03:11] So

[01:03:13] here's how this is going

[01:03:15] to work. I'll

[01:03:17] give you some time if you want to bring up both of

[01:03:19] you the cast list for Survivor

[01:03:21] 46. I am going to

[01:03:23] read an anagram

[01:03:25] of the name of a Survivor

[01:03:27] 46 cast member.

[01:03:29] When you think you know the answer

[01:03:31] you can buzz in and

[01:03:33] make a guess. If you

[01:03:35] are right you'll get a point if you're wrong

[01:03:37] I will give the other person a chance

[01:03:39] to guess and then either

[01:03:41] way we will move on. For

[01:03:43] example if I were to say

[01:03:45] firemen rain in

[01:03:47] uh firemen ran in then

[01:03:49] you can buzz in and say Franny Marin

[01:03:51] and that would be the correct answer

[01:03:53] that is an anagram of your name Franny.

[01:03:55] Who is that?

[01:03:57] That's what people call me I can't believe

[01:04:00] I missed it. To be

[01:04:02] fair that's how you got saved by your idol was that a

[01:04:04] fireman ran in and gave it to you?

[01:04:06] It's my whole story summed up

[01:04:08] in an anagram. It's incredible.

[01:04:10] So I will say as well

[01:04:12] the majority of the time I did go

[01:04:14] with full names. I know we have

[01:04:16] a lot of nicknames this season

[01:04:18] so if you're looking especially on like a Survivor

[01:04:20] Wikipedia page I usually go by

[01:04:22] that full first name

[01:04:24] just because it gave more options.

[01:04:26] I don't know if you can see the

[01:04:28] full title like cube or debt and try to

[01:04:30] get words from that.

[01:04:32] I want you to each.

[01:04:34] You need the letters.

[01:04:36] And I want you each to come up with your own

[01:04:38] individual buzzer just so I know

[01:04:40] who's the one that's tuning in here.

[01:04:42] Leanna what's your buzzer?

[01:04:46] My first thought was popcorn but I think I'm gonna go

[01:04:48] butt pillow.

[01:04:50] Alright always that's

[01:04:52] I mean that could be the theme of season 50

[01:04:54] Who are the people who got off the couch

[01:04:56] versus people that make the entertainment?

[01:04:58] Oh boy.

[01:05:00] Franny what about you?

[01:05:02] I didn't know we were doing words so my first thought

[01:05:04] was honk honk.

[01:05:06] You can do whatever you want.

[01:05:08] You can make whatever sound you want to.

[01:05:10] Mine's gonna be a honk.

[01:05:12] Alright so we've got the goose

[01:05:14] versus the down butt pillow.

[01:05:16] Oh a real rivalry.

[01:05:18] Exactly here we go before

[01:05:20] versus after. So again I will read an anagram

[01:05:22] I'll actually depending on how long you're taking

[01:05:24] I might read through a few because I made

[01:05:26] quite a bit and we'll see if

[01:05:28] you can guess it.

[01:05:30] Here is your first anagram.

[01:05:32] Crunk them

[01:05:34] thing.

[01:05:36] Yes I don't even know

[01:05:38] that's amazing. Is it crunk with a K

[01:05:40] or crunk with a C?

[01:05:42] Crunk with a K. Crunk them thing.

[01:05:44] Oh honk honk honk honk.

[01:05:46] Is it Hunter McKnight?

[01:05:48] That is correct. Hunter McKnight

[01:05:50] Anagrams.

[01:05:52] Crunk them thing.

[01:05:54] Some other anagrams for Hunter are

[01:05:56] Think Trench Gum.

[01:05:58] Oh that's what you should

[01:06:00] have said to him after he didn't play the idol.

[01:06:02] Yep what you should have done out there.

[01:06:04] Trek Munch Knight.

[01:06:06] Or

[01:06:08] Get Thin Mr. Chunk.

[01:06:12] I don't think he needs help with that but yeah.

[01:06:14] These are great.

[01:06:16] That's like what Jeff would say in a challenge

[01:06:18] depending on where the point of the coin is.

[01:06:20] Get thin Mr. Chunk.

[01:06:24] Alright next up

[01:06:26] next anagram.

[01:06:28] Manhood Spots.

[01:06:32] Oh my god.

[01:06:34] Manhood Spots.

[01:06:38] Manhood Spots.

[01:06:40] Also

[01:06:42] Mastodon Shop.

[01:06:44] Ooh.

[01:06:46] Mastodon Shop.

[01:06:48] Oh.

[01:06:50] Wait is it honk honk honk?

[01:06:52] Yeah it's Franny.

[01:06:54] Is it Soda Thompson?

[01:06:56] That is correct. Soda Thompson.

[01:06:58] Is manhood spots.

[01:07:00] Oh my gosh.

[01:07:02] There we go the P jumped out at me.

[01:07:04] Much like a devil manhood spots.

[01:07:06] Oh no.

[01:07:12] I gotta

[01:07:14] zip myself up after that one.

[01:07:16] Is that your Franny? Is that your Franny pullover?

[01:07:18] Yeah.

[01:07:20] Yeah this is my merch.

[01:07:22] Yeah I'm just hiding.

[01:07:24] I feel like we need to, we asked the suggestion last week.

[01:07:26] Franny if you like at the height of

[01:07:28] your time on the show could come out with a

[01:07:30] piece of merch.

[01:07:32] Like the Q skirt. What would it have been?

[01:07:34] Oh god.

[01:07:36] Oh.

[01:07:38] Carolyn's belt.

[01:07:40] I would've just sold that.

[01:07:42] That's true you walked out with it.

[01:07:44] I would've sold that for a lot of money probably.

[01:07:46] Just one piece of merch.

[01:07:48] One singular belt.

[01:07:50] Alright well Franny has already

[01:07:52] taken a lead at zero but Leanna

[01:07:54] we still have a long way to go.

[01:07:56] With this next one.

[01:07:58] Anal Bob hug.

[01:08:00] Oh my god.

[01:08:08] Oh um butt pillow.

[01:08:10] Yes Leanna. Is it Banu?

[01:08:12] It is Banu. Banu Gopal

[01:08:14] Anal Bob hug.

[01:08:16] Oh.

[01:08:20] That's what happens when you ask for a million hearts.

[01:08:22] Sometimes you get that anal bob hug.

[01:08:26] Also anagrams for Banu Gopal

[01:08:28] are Gabone Lap

[01:08:30] and no

[01:08:32] alpha bug.

[01:08:34] Well Gabone is very fitting giving some of

[01:08:36] the comparisons we've had this season.

[01:08:38] Yeah what do you make of that? Do we feel like this is

[01:08:40] truly the new era Gabone?

[01:08:42] It does kind of feel that way doesn't it?

[01:08:46] I guess it depends.

[01:08:48] What do you classify

[01:08:50] like when

[01:08:52] people make that comparison Mike what do you

[01:08:54] think is the reason why they're making

[01:08:56] that comparison? Because I think

[01:08:58] what people generally compare to Survivor

[01:09:00] Gabone is kind of this train wreck

[01:09:02] equality where it's a bunch of personalities

[01:09:04] of people who don't like each other.

[01:09:06] A bunch of threats are taken out in the middle

[01:09:08] of the game and it ends up just kind of like this

[01:09:10] random winner towards the end. So I think

[01:09:12] it's this idea of like

[01:09:14] chaotic personality shining

[01:09:16] overall. Very memeable

[01:09:18] I think. Very memeable.

[01:09:20] Definitely is I think one of the most memeable

[01:09:22] seasons we've had so far and that is

[01:09:24] after we've had a season that features Carolyn

[01:09:26] which is like a meme in and of herself.

[01:09:28] Yeah I think

[01:09:30] for me the key is people not liking each other.

[01:09:32] Like that really seems

[01:09:34] to stand out to me and I think we'll have to wait

[01:09:36] and see the completion of the season.

[01:09:38] Do we feel like we're going to be left with this sort of

[01:09:40] random group of people to really

[01:09:42] fully compare it? But I do think that it shares a lot

[01:09:44] of the same elements.

[01:09:46] Alright Leanna you're on the board now.

[01:09:48] Let's see if you can see the streak.

[01:09:50] This next one

[01:09:52] caffeine vinyl intro.

[01:09:58] That does sound like the name of a Jack Johnson

[01:10:00] song but it is also the anagram name

[01:10:02] of a contestant caffeine

[01:10:04] vinyl intro.

[01:10:06] Caffeine vinyl intro.

[01:10:08] That's a long one.

[01:10:10] Oh oh oh honk honk honk honk.

[01:10:12] Yes Franny.

[01:10:14] Wait uh ooh is it Tiffany Nicole

[01:10:16] Irvin? That is correct.

[01:10:18] You started for a second but you were ultimately

[01:10:20] correct here. We didn't have to cut to your feet.

[01:10:22] A couple of other anagrams for Tiffany

[01:10:24] Nicole Irvin. Vilify

[01:10:26] not refinance.

[01:10:28] Which is maybe a statement

[01:10:30] about the housing market. That's a bit cute.

[01:10:32] Yeah that's the plot of the big short.

[01:10:34] How about

[01:10:36] a little bit of international stuff.

[01:10:38] Love France infinity.

[01:10:40] Oh okay.

[01:10:42] And official intern envy.

[01:10:46] Did you Mike did you sit

[01:10:48] down with like letters

[01:10:50] on Post-it notes and arrange these

[01:10:52] or was there an online program that

[01:10:54] made them for you? No I'm not Jeff arranging

[01:10:56] what bits to do. Luckily

[01:10:58] computer is taking care of it for me.

[01:11:00] I'm gonna arrange one in 2024.

[01:11:02] I'm picturing you at like 4am

[01:11:04] like eyes red

[01:11:06] bugging out your head like caffeine

[01:11:08] man. You know

[01:11:10] like you're just trying to get it done.

[01:11:12] I mean hey those are the things I usually say to myself

[01:11:14] at 4am but also listen I do

[01:11:16] pick and choose like another anagram for Tiffany

[01:11:18] Nicole Irvin is infancy often

[01:11:20] virile.

[01:11:22] No.

[01:11:26] Just no.

[01:11:30] Alright next up here.

[01:11:34] Hooray Ram.

[01:11:36] Oh that's so cute.

[01:11:38] Hooray Ram.

[01:11:40] Hooray Ram.

[01:11:42] Hooray Ram.

[01:11:44] Let's take it into a more

[01:11:46] Mikeliness direction. Maria Gohorny.

[01:11:48] Oh.

[01:11:50] But it's

[01:11:52] not Maria.

[01:11:54] Oh could be.

[01:11:56] Wouldn't be the ultimate trick if I just used

[01:11:58] the name of one of the contestants in the

[01:12:00] anagram.

[01:12:02] Is it

[01:12:04] Honk Honk Honk? Yes.

[01:12:06] Mariah Gaynor? That is

[01:12:08] correct. Mariah Gaynor anagrams to

[01:12:10] Hooray Ram and

[01:12:12] anagrams to Maria Gohorny.

[01:12:14] Anagrams to

[01:12:16] Rainy Hagroom.

[01:12:18] Oh wow

[01:12:20] these are evocative.

[01:12:22] I need a Rainy Hagroom. Where's my

[01:12:24] Rainy Hagroom? Anagrams to

[01:12:26] Grain Army.

[01:12:28] I like the idea that

[01:12:30] on cues like when he's describing houses

[01:12:32] he's like have you seen this room?

[01:12:34] Perfect for a Rainy Hagroom.

[01:12:36] Rainy Hagroom.

[01:12:38] Anagrams to Harry Roman.

[01:12:40] Go.

[01:12:42] Oh.

[01:12:44] I love that movie. I like the idea

[01:12:46] that the list of anagrams that can be made from

[01:12:48] a person's name are indicative

[01:12:50] of their personality. Like that's how I'm taking

[01:12:52] this in. Oh then you love this next one.

[01:12:54] Ahoy Armgroin.

[01:12:56] Is that

[01:12:58] like your like here?

[01:13:00] Is it here or is it your armpit?

[01:13:02] Oh is it here?

[01:13:04] Because I think this is the

[01:13:06] arm.

[01:13:08] But I guess this would be

[01:13:10] the leg of the arm

[01:13:12] and this would be the groin because like the groin

[01:13:14] isn't, the groin's not on your feet. I don't know

[01:13:16] if I'm a biologist.

[01:13:18] I'm maybe speaking out of turn here. I don't know much.

[01:13:20] This is the arm

[01:13:22] under knee.

[01:13:24] Yeah exactly. Whatever that. Yeah so this would be

[01:13:26] okay so the armpit's the crotch of

[01:13:28] the torso.

[01:13:30] I guess so?

[01:13:32] Maybe we're figuring out a lot of body stuff

[01:13:34] this time. One more for Mariah.

[01:13:36] You know what?

[01:13:40] You know when like small towns are trying to differentiate

[01:13:42] themselves and they're like we're the jewel

[01:13:44] of the west. It's like we're the

[01:13:46] crotch of the torso.

[01:13:50] What does it mean? Yeah.

[01:13:52] I'm just picturing. I took two years or I took

[01:13:54] two semesters of anatomy and physiology for my

[01:13:56] PhD and I'm just like imagining

[01:13:58] doing the dissection and be like yes this is the

[01:14:00] crotch of the torso. I can basically hear

[01:14:02] your degree burning up right now.

[01:14:04] They've just self-immolated from what you're doing right now.

[01:14:06] The department's calling. They're like we need

[01:14:08] that back. You don't deserve that.

[01:14:10] Well probably because you're affiliated with a podcast

[01:14:12] that decides to make an anagram

[01:14:14] of a person named Mariah Gaynor and they come up

[01:14:16] with Orgy Mone Hair.

[01:14:18] Ah yeah okay.

[01:14:20] Talk about describing your personality.

[01:14:22] Degree revoked.

[01:14:24] Yeah I mean I think like if it's a little

[01:14:26] must up right? Like if it's a little

[01:14:28] all over the place you got that

[01:14:30] Orgy Mone Hair.

[01:14:32] Girl you got that Orgy Mone Hair.

[01:14:34] Let's go. Oh what have you been doing?

[01:14:36] What were you doing last night? You got that Orgy

[01:14:38] Mone Hair. Alright well next up

[01:14:40] well Franny's taking a commanding

[01:14:42] lead here but there's still time.

[01:14:44] Next up

[01:14:46] Radical Hives.

[01:14:48] Radical Hives.

[01:14:50] Perhaps a symptom alongside

[01:14:52] manhood spots Radical

[01:14:54] Hives.

[01:14:57] I think the problem is

[01:14:59] I get so entrenched in like the actual

[01:15:01] anagram that I forget that I have to.

[01:15:03] You're welcome.

[01:15:05] Or how about

[01:15:07] take this one for a drive.

[01:15:09] A devilish car.

[01:15:11] Ooh.

[01:15:13] Okay wait Leona

[01:15:15] butt plug or butt stuff

[01:15:17] butt stuff.

[01:15:22] Alright Orgy Mone Hair.

[01:15:24] Is it

[01:15:26] Randan? No it's not Randan.

[01:15:28] Oh no.

[01:15:30] Charlie Davis.

[01:15:32] It is Charlie. Don't call me

[01:15:34] Miles Davis. Charlie Davis is

[01:15:36] Radical Hives

[01:15:38] is also a devilish car.

[01:15:40] Wow.

[01:15:42] He is a devilish car.

[01:15:44] He's also

[01:15:46] Caviar Shield which makes sense he did say

[01:15:48] remember in his like one of his first

[01:15:50] I've lived a pretty privileged life.

[01:15:52] I think he's had a Caviar Shield

[01:15:54] or two. But it's his Caviar Shield

[01:15:56] yes and underneath he's so

[01:15:58] he's understanding. Actually I would argue

[01:16:00] could Liz be someone's Caviar Shield

[01:16:02] like we have meat shields. Liz is rich.

[01:16:04] Caviar Shield.

[01:16:06] She's your Caviar Shield. We did it.

[01:16:08] I love that.

[01:16:10] Yes. That's so good.

[01:16:12] Alright

[01:16:14] people steal that for the next couple of years.

[01:16:16] There we go.

[01:16:18] Keep them. They're our Caviar Shields.

[01:16:20] As long as you're not using the armpit is the groin

[01:16:22] of the torso.

[01:16:24] That's going to be the episode

[01:16:26] title of premier season

[01:16:28] 50 just you wait. I mean you need something to pass

[01:16:30] the time during those endurance challenges.

[01:16:32] Alright next up

[01:16:34] this one only has a couple.

[01:16:36] Zen Kitty

[01:16:38] P.

[01:16:40] Leanna

[01:16:42] Butt Pillow Ben.

[01:16:44] Not Leanna. No it's not.

[01:16:46] What? Not Leanna it's not Ben.

[01:16:48] No. Ready to have a guess for Zen Kitty

[01:16:50] P.

[01:16:52] Zen Kitty P. Okay quick guess I'm going

[01:16:54] Liz Wilcox? No there's no P.

[01:16:56] Oh Leanna.

[01:16:58] I know it is. Butt Pillow.

[01:17:00] You already. Butt Pillows and Honks

[01:17:02] have been extinguished they've already been used

[01:17:04] up. There's a lot of Z's in this

[01:17:06] cast for a cast that has not been putting us to

[01:17:08] sleep. It is Kenzie Petty.

[01:17:10] It is Zen Kitty P.

[01:17:12] Also Keen Zit Type.

[01:17:14] Keen?

[01:17:16] Keen. Keen.

[01:17:18] Huh. Alright let's see if

[01:17:20] you're keen on this next answer.

[01:17:22] Add Jive

[01:17:24] Slinky.

[01:17:28] Honk honk.

[01:17:30] David Jalinski?

[01:17:32] That is correct. That's the Jive

[01:17:34] Slinky we know and love. Yes he is.

[01:17:36] That's one of the ones that the

[01:17:38] descriptor was like A1

[01:17:40] absolutely matches up. He is a Jive

[01:17:42] Slinky. Yeah everything

[01:17:44] aligned in my mind it was perfect.

[01:17:46] It all makes sense.

[01:17:48] David Jalinski also anagrams to Jade

[01:17:50] Vinyl Disc.

[01:17:52] Sad Kindly Jive

[01:17:54] and Lanky Did

[01:17:56] Jives which I heard Jalinski

[01:17:58] was at Adam Klein's wedding so maybe he did do

[01:18:00] a lot of jives out there on the dance floor.

[01:18:02] His are really really

[01:18:04] accurate. Also I need

[01:18:06] to I'm after this

[01:18:08] one. I'm going to anagram my own name and

[01:18:10] I cannot wait to see what comes up.

[01:18:12] Fireman ran in.

[01:18:14] Fireman ran in true. We need more.

[01:18:16] I think the other one I found for you

[01:18:18] was let me see it was

[01:18:20] main rain fern.

[01:18:22] You got plants in the background.

[01:18:26] Plant behind you. Yeah. That's your main

[01:18:28] rain fern.

[01:18:30] Alright well I'm pretty sure like Leanna you're

[01:18:32] mathematically eliminated. We're having

[01:18:34] too much fun with these so let's keep going.

[01:18:36] Nah we gotta keep going. Unashamed

[01:18:38] Jam sis.

[01:18:40] You tell them.

[01:18:43] Unashamed Jam sis.

[01:18:45] That's what Charlie is saying when he's like why are you putting on

[01:18:47] speak now for the umpty time. Unashamed Jam sis.

[01:18:49] Butt pillow. Yes

[01:18:51] Leanna. Gem.

[01:18:53] Gem Hussein Adams that is correct. Yes.

[01:18:57] Also anagrams to

[01:18:59] Jade Humans Amiss.

[01:19:01] A sad Jasmine

[01:19:03] Mush. So what a Jade?

[01:19:05] And a Smash Jam Undies.

[01:19:09] Oh.

[01:19:11] You jam your undies that's how you get some Orgy Mone hair.

[01:19:13] That's true. You don't need to tell me twice.

[01:19:17] Alright next one.

[01:19:21] Abusive Turd Quintet.

[01:19:23] Oh no.

[01:19:25] Oh no.

[01:19:27] Honk honk.

[01:19:29] Yeah butt pillow.

[01:19:31] That's gotta be Q.

[01:19:33] That is correct.

[01:19:35] Abusive Turd Quintet

[01:19:37] Playing the songs of Quintavious Burdette.

[01:19:39] Oh no.

[01:19:41] We also have debutante quit virus.

[01:19:45] Oh.

[01:19:49] Another name for COVID-19.

[01:19:51] Yes. Oh no.

[01:19:53] Because they had to shut down all the pageants.

[01:19:55] I guess that's true yeah they had to quit the debutante ball.

[01:19:57] The debutante quit virus is coming.

[01:20:01] And I think maybe one of my

[01:20:03] I've got two really fun ones here.

[01:20:05] A butt united quivers.

[01:20:07] Oh that's lovely.

[01:20:09] I love that one.

[01:20:11] I feel like that's the E. Pluribus Unum.

[01:20:13] Like if I were to have a combination of butt united quivers.

[01:20:15] And also

[01:20:17] which is I think the most appropriate to Q

[01:20:19] a butt drives unquiet.

[01:20:21] Oh.

[01:20:23] Interesting.

[01:20:25] Yeah I mean yeah definitely.

[01:20:27] That is Q's motto.

[01:20:29] These are great.

[01:20:31] This is like poetry.

[01:20:33] It does feel like it.

[01:20:35] J. Mai if you want to put these in some of your songs.

[01:20:37] I'm just saying.

[01:20:39] Alright well next up here speaking of poetry and songs.

[01:20:41] Diva Invest.

[01:20:47] Butt pillow.

[01:20:49] Tevin.

[01:20:51] That's correct Tevin Davis.

[01:20:53] Diva Invest.

[01:20:55] Also a vivid nest.

[01:20:57] Also a bit of a throwback to social media.

[01:20:59] Vine is not TV ad.

[01:21:01] Oh I mean it's not.

[01:21:03] Not wrong.

[01:21:05] Not wrong.

[01:21:07] Alright here's the next one for the frannies out there.

[01:21:09] The do-gooders.

[01:21:11] Crime tips.

[01:21:13] Oh.

[01:21:15] Butt pillow.

[01:21:17] Leanna.

[01:21:19] Tim.

[01:21:21] Tim Spicer is.

[01:21:23] Crime tips.

[01:21:25] He is crime tips though.

[01:21:27] He really is.

[01:21:29] He just is.

[01:21:31] Mike he just is.

[01:21:33] He has big narc energy.

[01:21:35] He's got crime tips.

[01:21:37] It's just crime tips.

[01:21:39] I can hear him saying that in a confessional with his little bowl of crime tips.

[01:21:41] Crime tips.

[01:21:43] What's that John Mulaney bit?

[01:21:45] Street Smarts when he was talking about.

[01:21:47] Street Smarts.

[01:21:49] That's what I think about with crime tips.

[01:21:51] Yes same energy.

[01:21:53] Also Tim Ennegram's two septic rim.

[01:21:55] And also I guess speaking towards the titular butt pillow.

[01:21:57] Epic sit mister.

[01:21:59] Ah that's what Jeff did.

[01:22:01] And tribal he was like epic sit mister.

[01:22:03] If this took place in 2009 epic sit mister would be a title of an episode.

[01:22:05] Or mister epic sit.

[01:22:07] That's his official title.

[01:22:09] Yeah please.

[01:22:11] Call me epic sit.

[01:22:13] That's my father.

[01:22:15] That's my father is mister epic sit.

[01:22:17] Just call me Jeff.

[01:22:19] Call me epic sit.

[01:22:21] Call me epic sit.

[01:22:23] Just call me Jeff.

[01:22:25] You can call me Jeff.

[01:22:27] Alright well Liana you made a bit of a comeback but I think you're mathematically eliminated.

[01:22:29] Yay!

[01:22:31] There's one more left though.

[01:22:33] And this is, this might be my favorite.

[01:22:37] Modern anal.

[01:22:39] No TV.

[01:22:41] No TV!

[01:22:43] Look up below!

[01:22:45] Yes Liana.

[01:22:47] Yes Rajan Montalvo Ennegram's two.

[01:22:49] Modern anal.

[01:22:51] No TV.

[01:22:53] Poor Randan can't catch a break.

[01:22:57] What a punishment.

[01:22:59] Maybe not a punishment for some.

[01:23:01] Randan Montalvo also Ennegram's two.

[01:23:03] Damn noon travel.

[01:23:07] Yes damn noon travel.

[01:23:09] We also have fishing.

[01:23:11] Also toned naval norm.

[01:23:15] Being the name doesn't require it.

[01:23:17] Yeah gotta get toned.

[01:23:19] Toned naval norm.

[01:23:21] Yes exactly. Come on.

[01:23:23] We're the other body types.

[01:23:25] And finally, maybe this is a bit of a crime tip here.

[01:23:29] Mr. No Note Vandal.

[01:23:33] Oh no notes!

[01:23:35] Jeff's other names.

[01:23:37] No Note Vandal.

[01:23:39] This is the rudest criminal ever.

[01:23:41] He doesn't even leave a note at the scene of the crime.

[01:23:43] He's Mr. No Note Vandal.

[01:23:45] Yeah that's his calling card.

[01:23:47] It's no card.

[01:23:49] It's none.

[01:23:51] Well listen Liana,

[01:23:53] you were able to make up a good amount of time.

[01:23:55] You were sort of the Liz, Q, and Venus equivalent.

[01:23:57] But Franny was the Charlie,

[01:23:59] Maria, and Hunter adequate to all the feat shots.

[01:24:03] Congratulations. You are the master of ennegrams.

[01:24:05] Thank you.

[01:24:07] That was fun.

[01:24:09] I love that. I'm gonna ennegram everything now.

[01:24:11] It's a new policy.

[01:24:13] I cannot wait to see how mystified Matt is gonna be by this extra layer of communication he's gonna have with you.

[01:24:19] Matt Plankinship has to ennegram to something good.

[01:24:23] There are some good letters in there.

[01:24:25] See, I was trying to remember what I had done in first season.

[01:24:27] Let me do it right now as I'll throw it to you Franny while we sort of yada yada through this,

[01:24:35] but not through this next important part.

[01:24:37] Because at the end of every podcast,

[01:24:39] I suggest to dedicate a charity or cause that is important to them.

[01:24:43] So the ball is in your court.

[01:24:45] What would you like to communicate to everybody out there that they should check out from a charity perspective?

[01:24:51] Yes, so I'm actually gonna hype up the same group that I recently played for on Twitch

[01:24:57] and won $100 for from Rob Sestrino,

[01:24:59] which is Point of Pride.

[01:25:01] This is a really great organization

[01:25:03] that works with trans youths especially,

[01:25:05] and tries to get resources to people who cannot afford things like binders or top surgery,

[01:25:11] stuff like that.

[01:25:13] This is top of mind because I actually have two friends who recently got top surgery

[01:25:15] that I'm so hyped for them.

[01:25:17] So yeah, Point of Pride, it's a great organization,

[01:25:19] gives a lot of opportunities to a lot of people.

[01:25:21] Amazing.

[01:25:23] I love that.

[01:25:25] Check that out.

[01:25:27] So I did it for $44, the enneagram game.

[01:25:29] Oh, you did do it for $44?

[01:25:31] Okay, so for Franny,

[01:25:33] I have Amen Fryer Inn.

[01:25:41] Rain Man Finer also.

[01:25:43] There's a lot of variations on Fryer Inn.

[01:25:45] So you have Mean Fryer Inn,

[01:25:47] Name Fryer Inn,

[01:25:49] obviously Amen Fryer Inn if you want.

[01:25:53] For Matt,

[01:25:55] I have a Lamkin that spins.

[01:25:59] And also my personal favorite,

[01:26:01] think Batman lips.

[01:26:03] Oh, I remember to think Batman lips now.

[01:26:05] That's how I remember Matt Blanket Chip personally.

[01:26:07] I just think Batman lips.

[01:26:09] I think Batman lips immediately pops to mind.

[01:26:11] Oh my God.

[01:26:13] That's great.

[01:26:15] That's really good.

[01:26:17] I like mine too.

[01:26:19] I actually I played a fryer in a play in high school.

[01:26:21] So it really fits.

[01:26:23] It's my whole history.

[01:26:25] Well, you're right.

[01:26:27] It reflects the person.

[01:26:29] I am so happy.

[01:26:31] Hopefully by the end of this,

[01:26:33] people were thinking about the past hour and a half conversation we had

[01:26:35] and say Amen Fryer Inn

[01:26:37] because Franny you absolutely killed it on your B&B debut.

[01:26:39] Is there anything you'd like to plug right now?

[01:26:41] Any last comments you want to make about Survivor 46 before we move on to week 10?

[01:26:43] Oh, wow.

[01:26:45] Well, if you want to see more Amen Fryer Inn,

[01:26:47] we have a medieval set D&D podcast that I'll plug for a second.

[01:26:49] So if you want to see more of that,

[01:26:51] you can go to the link in the description.

[01:26:53] And then we have a medieval set D&D podcast

[01:26:55] that I'll plug for a second.

[01:26:57] Which is called Surviving the Dice.

[01:26:59] It's a podcast with myself,

[01:27:01] Cain Fritzler, Carson Garrett,

[01:27:03] and Matt Blankenship where we play Dungeons & Dragons

[01:27:05] and we have fun guests.

[01:27:07] Recently had Rob Sesternino on the podcast

[01:27:09] and he crushed.

[01:27:11] He did so good.

[01:27:13] I don't know that he knew what he was doing

[01:27:15] but whatever he was doing was great.

[01:27:17] It was really fun.

[01:27:19] Yeah, I'll admit to go a bit, you know,

[01:27:21] inside Schmergenball.

[01:27:23] I've had quite a few conversations with him over the years about playing D&D

[01:27:25] and he said basically like,

[01:27:27] I would love to role play.

[01:27:29] I don't care or know about the mechanics.

[01:27:31] And so I'm glad he was able to kind of like fudge his way

[01:27:33] through the ladder to get to the former which I'm sure was amazing.

[01:27:35] Yeah, no, that's exactly what he literally came in.

[01:27:37] He's like, I don't know about dice.

[01:27:39] I don't want to roll anything.

[01:27:41] I just want to, you know, have fun.

[01:27:43] And we were like, we can do that.

[01:27:45] And it made for a wonderful, wonderful episode.

[01:27:47] So go check that out.

[01:27:49] It's everywhere you can find podcasts called Surviving the Dice.

[01:27:51] That's what I'll plug.

[01:27:53] Liana, what do you have going on?

[01:27:55] Yes, you can follow me on Twitter at LianaRHAP.

[01:27:57] Drag race is over.

[01:27:59] So we are taking a few week break before All-Stars comes back

[01:28:01] which will be May 17th.

[01:28:03] So believe me, not that long.

[01:28:05] It's literally right around the corner.

[01:28:07] But in the meantime, sticking here on the V&B

[01:28:09] and of course doing massing our coverage with FUYA

[01:28:11] to cover everything that's going on over there.

[01:28:13] Can I pitch something after watching the All-Stars 9

[01:28:15] big twist of like no elimination?

[01:28:17] Yeah, I'm going to pitch a little bit of the All-Stars 9

[01:28:19] because I'm going to be doing a lot of stuff

[01:28:21] big twist of like no eliminations.

[01:28:23] Could we have a survivor season?

[01:28:25] Doesn't need to be 50.

[01:28:27] The Edge of Extinction.

[01:28:29] It's a non-elimination season

[01:28:31] so maybe you're voting for each other

[01:28:33] at the end of every episode

[01:28:35] to accrue points towards the end.

[01:28:37] And it's a returning player season

[01:28:39] and the contestants are the entirety of the Lulu tribe

[01:28:41] and the entirety of the Yanu tribe.

[01:28:45] Whoa!

[01:28:47] Disaster redo.

[01:28:49] It's the trauma of going to tribal council

[01:28:51] every single time. Don't worry, it'll be okay.

[01:28:53] People always talk about

[01:28:55] what if you just ran an entire season back

[01:28:57] and putting an entire cast on there?

[01:28:59] Imagine those two particular tribes

[01:29:03] rerunning things all over again.

[01:29:05] It would be absolute mayhem

[01:29:07] especially in a format where they couldn't vote each other off.

[01:29:09] Oh yeah.

[01:29:11] Oh my gosh.

[01:29:13] Imagine people, because the benefit of

[01:29:15] if you don't like someone, you vote them out.

[01:29:17] You don't have to deal with them anymore.

[01:29:19] But if they are still there, oh, oh!

[01:29:21] I think it's glorious. Incredible television.

[01:29:23] Yeah, I agree.

[01:29:25] I don't know. I think they'll go for it.

[01:29:27] I mean the question is between

[01:29:29] Q, Hannah, and Sean

[01:29:31] who quits first?

[01:29:33] Oh no.

[01:29:35] Oh no! It's a fair question!

[01:29:37] It's a fair question!

[01:29:41] Oh boy.

[01:29:43] I'm just picturing like they all show up to tribal

[01:29:45] and it's like the Spider-Man meme

[01:29:47] where they're all looking at each other,

[01:29:49] I quit, I quit all at the same time!

[01:29:51] Yeah, it's like that one time in Survivor

[01:29:53] Winners of War right where Jeremy and Sarah did

[01:29:55] Oh oh you go first. Were you going to play your thing?

[01:29:57] It's just them being like

[01:29:59] who's going to speak up first about this?

[01:30:01] Who's going to volunteer to quit first?

[01:30:03] Well you can follow me at

[01:30:05] A. Mike Loom Type. I'm not quitting putting out this content

[01:30:07] anytime soon. As I mentioned

[01:30:09] had a really great interview with Hunter where I think

[01:30:11] again if you have a lot of questions, understandably so

[01:30:13] about why he ends up not playing the idol and his thinking going to that tribal council, all the chaos leading to that afternoon.

[01:30:19] Really recommend you check it out. I think it was a really great conversation with Hunter overall. Also talked with the team most recently eliminated on the Amazing Race,

[01:30:27] talked with Corey Cool on the podcast as well alongside Jess. Franny, have you ever thought about doing the Amazing Race, considering that you're one of the rare like survivor alumni that has kind of a live in partner?

[01:30:38] Yeah, so this is interesting. So Matt really, really wants to do the Amazing Race. He's really excited about it. I'm into it. But the biggest reason that we should do the Amazing Race is that Derek and Claire recently moved to San Francisco.

[01:30:51] So now we have them at our beck and call to ask for tips, sneaky hacks to win the Amazing Race. So I think now that we have them in our backyard, our odds have increased a lot.

[01:31:04] Yeah, I mean, you have in-house winners that you can consult with. So get them on the line people have the casting happen. But I'm talking Amazing Race is that is closing up in its final few weeks. Of course, The Circle more than halfway through somehow right through eight episodes out of 13 of The Circle.

[01:31:20] Fortunately, the AI has left but there are still plenty of mess abound in the form of the human players. I'm talking about it with Puyah and Taryn every week. I'm also doing exit press as well for all of the eliminated contestants.

[01:31:32] I haven't really mentioned this as well. I've been doing exit press for the Masked Singer and I mentioned this this week because I got to talk with Jennifer Lewis, which was like a goddamn delight and was wild and something I never thought that I would be able to do.

[01:31:45] So if you're a fan of the Masked Singer, obviously check out the podcast coverage and check out my stuff as well. Jennifer Lewis talks about like nearly dying in the Serengeti and then performing on the Masked Singer.

[01:31:54] So it was a really fun time and I'm so grateful I get the chance to talk with all of these reality TV stars and to talk with you two about this week of Survivor. I am excited for the energy to hopefully continue.

[01:32:06] I know that lower expectations are the key to happiness, but the promos are saying like if you you know if there's one episode of the season you don't want to miss it's next week.

[01:32:16] So I don't know what to expect except probably more mayhem and chaos not only on screen but on the B&B as well. So trying to lock in a guest just have to arrange a couple things so we'll let that be a surprise as well for when the podcast happens.

[01:32:31] Otherwise, we'll be back next week doing it all again. Make sure you send us your game ideas. RHAPB&B at gmail.com or hashtag RHAPB&B on social media.

[01:32:42] Special thanks to the entire team at RHAP behind the scenes for making this podcast packageable to the eyes, the ears, the torso groins out there.

[01:32:52] If you're all enjoying it so far we've been having such a fun time and of course Wolf from America for his fantastic theme song next week.

[01:33:00] Leona and I will be back to break down episode 10 of Survivor 46 until next time everybody will check you out at your next step.

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