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[00:01:42] So sad though that this is it so does sad as it were yeah
[00:02:43] same as like people that have previously been on the show or they own the same as each other. No, no, no, I mean, we saw that. Yeah.
[00:02:47] Yeah. Well, I'm not into this cast as resemble each other. Yeah.
[00:02:50] Listen, Mariah, okay, maybe you have a point. Yeah, exactly. But I do think that they feel to me,
[00:02:58] like one of the more unique cast we've jump in to do. It's listen in and then we'll come back and talk about it. Hi. Hello. Hello, sir. I'm Mike. I'm Kevin. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, man. How you doing? I'm blessed. That's an incredible word to describe it. Hi, Yidda. Vosha, tap. Yeah, that's good. Welcome to my office. Thank you, so this is a nice office. I was sad. Well, listen, I had to dress it up
[00:05:40] for the future winner of Survivor.
[00:05:41] Oh, that's correct.
[00:05:42] That's correct.
[00:05:44] I would like a meal also if you have that coming.
[00:05:46] Somebody can bring it to me.
[00:05:47] I mean, listen. No, but what it was I never saw somebody to look like me do it. I never saw someone that represented me Necessarily do it and so I didn't think I could hold space doing it. So I'm Whitney uses biggest fan. That's a look I've got to put in there And so when she died I was in eighth grade. I was 2012 I decided to sing the greatest love of all at our black history month assembly which was a few days after her death and so I
[00:07:03] Got nervous on the day of I was supposed to sing in my family to graduate. I got my BFA in theater performance. I'm from where? Just recently graduated from Virginia Commonwealth University, baby. Go Rams, baby. There we go. So give me like a top three to five roles that you played.
[00:08:21] Okay.
[00:08:22] The first one, Caliban.
[00:08:24] Absolutely.
[00:08:24] From William Shakespeare's The Tempest,
[00:08:26] which I played just before was coming out here to do this and I went, whoa, and then I thought back and I said, you know, Calaban's one of his first lines when he says when he comes out is this island's mine. Hey, it's fate. And I store and you see it. Absolutely. I get a bocia test. So I have this image of me playing Heather Chandler, but I mean the roles that they write for women are just so powerful. I mean every role is powerful, but I mean sometimes these roles and I'm like they're definitely written for women, but they just they are so strong. Yeah, they're so strong and I
[00:11:04] just want to do it. Well, let's are you gonna do this? Are you really, really gonna do this? Because I'm from the country. I'm from Guchulan, a little small town. But like, this is a real jungle. Like we don't have these in Guchulan. Like I'm from the country, but this is a jungle. So I have no experience in that. So I was thinking about all the things that could go wrong with me coming out here.
[00:12:20] And then about 10 months ago,
[00:12:22] so like July 5th, I surprisingly out of nowhere lost my dad.
[00:12:26] Oh my, I go do it. That is absolutely beautiful. Thank you. So let's look back to the past in a different way. Give me one survivor winner and one non-winner that you identify with the most.
[00:13:40] Winner, Marianne.
[00:13:42] Because Marianne was authentic.
[00:13:44] She was herself, she was, if you want to get across this balance beam we'll wait here for you. Yeah. And I'm like S do we share something? We clearly do. Uh, but I think he's gonna have a good time manipulating and connecting with people genuinely. Well, let's talk about perception from your own perspective
[00:17:40] because listen, you come from a business,
[00:17:41] right, you center an eight by 10,
[00:17:43] people are looking at you the minute you walk
[00:17:44] through the door.
[00:17:45] That's right.
[00:17:46] In this type of audition room,
[00:17:47] how do you think people are gonna perceive you? skinny too. So I know that that's a perception I have coming in. So you combine flamboyancy, you combine energy, you combine the sing-songy, and you combine being slender, and people write you off immediately. They go, he's weak. They go, he is bubbly, and in his own little world, he's not real competition. And I hope that they do that.
[00:19:01] When it comes to revealing your occupation to others it's not like you can certainly do a good job of like nodding and agreeing with someone,
[00:20:22] but it's not like you're walking through like a con artist.
[00:20:25] That's correct. to say these lines and call me a monster and moon calf and say these horrific things to me and for me to play into what this person is saying. So me choosing to level this character up and to say no this is a dignified black movement i was on the streets yeah i was out there uh... because i think it's easy for people to talk about it and and to have discussions about which are very important you should but i think it's also about action it's about going out there it's about seeing the people it is about helping
[00:23:01] lending helping hand it's about
[00:23:03] engaging
[00:23:04] your entire body
[00:23:07] and mind and spirit I'm a black man, I'm on Survivor, hopefully opening up doors for another person who wants to do Survivor that acts like me, that looks like me, that has this energy that I have that isn't maybe a comfortable being the out of whatever. I hope that I'm opening up doors by existing. And that's enough. Incredibly so, yeah.
[00:24:20] Let me throw some scenarios out of you.
[00:24:21] Let's get you in the game here.
[00:24:22] I'm ready.
[00:24:23] So let's say like day two, day three,
[00:24:24] boat pulls up at your camp.
[00:24:26] Okay.
[00:24:26] Guy steps up, you know what happens. control my fate by me knowing what it is and you not knowing what it is. But the other part of me says, leaving camp is always dangerous. Right. And so when I leave, what's happening back here, are they assuming that I have something? What am I going to get? Am I going to be able to spin it convincingly enough so that when I get back, they don't think that I'm making something up and they vote me off because they think I have some type of game changing advantage, like rewinding the hands of time and changing tribes around
[00:25:44] and like who's safe and who's not. you. It is trusting all of the impulses that you have and believing that whatever happens, whatever scenario comes out of that, that you can figure out what happens next. You just have to be truthful in every moment that you're in. But then sometimes I'm battling myself and I'm like, but what if I do? Oh, but what if this doesn't happen? What if this happens? Oh, but what about
[00:27:00] this? And I overanalyze every little detail. But because I said, well, this is it. And I let go and I floated up to the top. And when I floated up, I got out and I never got back in
[00:28:20] until I was getting ready to come out here.
[00:28:21] Wow.
[00:28:22] And I got back in that water and I was in nine feet
[00:28:25] and I was diving and I was in it and I was swimming
[00:28:27] and I was so all of this preparation
[00:29:41] in the event that I was gonna come out here
[00:29:43] and I got that call and I was like,
[00:29:46] see, Kevin, all of the work that you've done, I mean you put your number one. You say I want to dance with somebody. That's good. You better run. You better run these titles. You got it, man. I mean, let me, let me, you know, quote something else that you love. We are such stuff as dreams are made of. Oh, and this is your dream to be out here on your island.
[00:32:20] How are you feeling right now?
[00:32:21] You know, as the dream is about to become a reality.
[00:32:24] Honestly, I, I'm just feeling a litany, a litany of emotions. All right. Well, you're ready to get lit on survivor. This is going to be incredible, man. I have, I have such good vibes about you. I mean, I think it's maybe because, you know, we have a similar type of background, similar type of, you know, that might be what it is, but like I just, I'm so excited for you. The passion that you're
[00:33:41] bringing in this moment, I can only imagine how much it's going to magnify quintuple quadruple
[00:33:46] when you're out there on the beach. Thank you. I get to chat to in this very different set of circumstances. Of course, it is part of my own storied origin story that I went to school for theater. I was a semi professional to professional actor
[00:35:02] for about like eight years of my life.
[00:35:05] And so theater is still something that into wins and finding his passion. So for me, it was a conversation of obviously having a lot in common, but also simultaneously feeling like
[00:36:20] if I'm having this type of conversation with you
[00:36:22] and having this type of energy 24 hours a day for 26 days,
[00:36:27] I wanna work with you. go when wherever energy takes him. Like he said so eloquently, you know, let the water win. You can only push against the current so much. You just kind of have to let it take you where it does. Incredible story that he shared about almost drowning as a child. A couple of really great stories. Yeah. And that's the other thing as well is that he is a storyteller.
[00:37:41] That's what he does.
[00:37:42] But I do find another actor.
[00:37:44] Yeah.
[00:37:45] But the thing that I find interesting is I don't pretend to be other people for a career. I wouldn't lie to you in that way. Though I think he also again, couch really interestingly that being an actor is not conflated with lying for a job. If you are truly performing the best that you can, you are living your truth as the character. It's not like you're saying, well, actually, I'm lying as this
[00:39:02] character. So it is a little bit apples. But he talks about how losing Whitney Houston kind of led him on this path where he's saying the greatest love of all in a school assembly and that allowed the theater teacher to approach him and be like, be in the show. And that's how he, what he does in life. And then he beautifully segues that into him tragically losing
[00:40:22] his father last year and then getting the offer to play
[00:40:25] survivor a couple of months afterwards. of that. I definitely like I could relate a little bit to what he was saying. I lost my dad probably in the very early days of starting this adventure on the podcast. And you know, I in some ways, like I feel very sad that he never got to see like what, you know, all of this stuff that was a hobby back then is like turned into. But at the same time, I also't know how much he over exaggerated that that sounds actually near impossible. This man actually might be some sort of, I don't know, telepathic being able to move things with his mind to balance sandbags on toothpicks. Perhaps that's like the game of
[00:43:01] survivor. He's trying to balance a sandbag on a toothpick yet to
[00:43:04] keep everything perfectly balanced or things will puncture Chris Underwood played where it wasn't entirely about taking out Rick Devins that he had spent all that time on the edge building relationships and executing on a contingency plan that everyone had created together. So I do agree with him that just because somebody sends themselves into fire and makes it in a record amount of time, doesn't mean like, oh, yes, well, they definitely deserve a
[00:44:21] million dollars now.
[00:44:22] A couple of things about the relationships that he has been making at Ponderosa.
[00:44:28] So sad. earlier, it does feel like we kind of have like a tight nucleus that is brewing here at the start of this game here on Nami. Definitely on paper. If Nami is going to tribal council in that first phase, which we'll talk about at this at the end, they might to allow them to glom onto each other. But it could also be something where they're like, yeah, I'm getting real tired of the energy from this other person. You know, it's almost like the more negative side of what Carolyn and Jam Jam had, which is their personalities were so similarly suited to what another
[00:47:02] that they almost went in each other more so than if they were oppositional. blessed to have both Tevin and Sota make it to the merge. The eventual war that I think that would erupt between the two of them would be very fun to see. I think between the two, again, obviously, I'm speaking from a bit of a biased perspective because he's my winner pick, but I would peg Tevin as somebody who I think would be more likely to get brought further just because, again,
[00:48:22] I think Tevin really has this jam, jam vibe to him of the same coin and then I think they have very different energies again like the way Kevin Talked about his situation and the causes that he's passionate for felt different to me than like the way jam jam tells
[00:49:43] Histories and talked about himself, right? I perception. He is a skinnier guy certainly compared everyone kind of turns around and says, wait a minute, everybody likes Kevin. He's going to clean up in a jury vote. We need to take him out immediately. I'm hoping that's not the case and this guy goes on to shine to day 26 on another subject. I mean, the braids are to die for. I do wonder if he was told, you know, they usually do on survivor, right?
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[00:55:00] All right Mike we got another good one to close Okay, so let's listen in to Mike's interview with Venus and then come back and talk about it. Here's Venus. Just for audio purposes, let's start things off. Nice to see you. Can you give me your name, your age and your occupation?
[00:55:03] My name is Venus.
[00:55:04] I'm 24 years old and I'm a data analyst.
[00:55:07] Data analyst, I mean, that is an incredibly noble cause wanting to help those that do the systematic things are not able to be able to be helped. Definitely, definitely. I know my parents had a really difficult time immigrating to Canada, so if I could just be a step in the process to make that easier for the next person,
[00:56:20] that's just, that would be great.
[00:56:22] Well, you're taking another turn in the course of your life.
[00:56:25] Yes.
[00:56:26] Being out here in Fiji.
[00:56:27] I know.
[00:56:27] So what brings you out here? I popped up on my Netflix suggested, like so many other people butts, but I didn't watch the seasons that were on Netflix. I started from the very beginning. I watched the first 20 seasons, fell in love with the show, watched those two seasons on Netflix, completely different pace, like completely different show, but I still loved it obviously. And now the new era, which is even more amazing,
[00:57:41] so just evolved in so many different ways.
[00:57:43] So I'm so intrigued by this,
[00:57:44] like you saw Survivor and you're like,
[00:57:46] this sounds interesting,
[00:57:47] better start from the rice.
[00:59:00] A little, oh my goodness, I'm gonna hide the machete.
[00:59:03] How early?
[00:59:05] The first day.
[00:59:06] No, no, I think that sure if you know, but when I was describing the podcast, this is his podcast. I know, it's a... Okay. Yeah. I'm not kissing his ass, I swear. I mean, he'd be fine with that either way. Very good. So when it comes to your own life, what did you say is like one foundational experience that you feel has prepared you most for this game?
[01:00:21] A foundational experience.
[01:00:23] There's so many to choose from. I feel like if I'm able to stay calm, cool, and collected under those circumstances, I feel like there's nothing survivor can't throw at me that I can't handle. What do you think you're gonna be perceived as? Oh my God, say I hate this question because I feel like it's gonna be negative. I feel like people are gonna see me and they're gonna think, oh, she's some princess, she doesn't wanna get her hands dirty, you know,
[01:01:41] queen of she-boe, whatever you may say,
[01:01:44] but that can be further from the truth.
[01:01:47] Like I can get those down just so interesting. Is that just instinctual? Is it from its particular experience? I mean like as a kid like I was I was bullied quite a bit So like you have a tendency to hide who you really are because for so long like I was judged and Criticized for who I was and made me feel as though like I there's something wrong with me
[01:03:03] Like there's something I need to change about myself those gaps. Can you describe those gaps? Like a meat shield, you know? Like I'm a tiny girl, like I think I can handle my own shit, but like it doesn't hurt to have some muscle to help you out. Yeah, are you eyeballing anyone right now? Because it's been days. All you've had to do is look at people. Anyone in particular stand out to you? Like yes, a few people, but like I don't know, should I describe them to you? Yes, yes. There's one guy in particular, like I wrote him in my notes as honest Abe,
[01:04:25] like he looks like Abraham Lincoln, like I swear to a high threshold to earn my trust, I feel like when people do get to see that vulnerable side of me, they feel more invested in me and so they feel more of a loyalty to me.
[01:05:40] And I feel like in that way,
[01:05:41] I'm able to persuade them more.
[01:05:44] What about your biggest trip tonight?
[01:05:45] Is it those walls we were talking about?
[01:05:47] Is that that high threshold? volunteer as tribute, you know? Like, I want to step up, but seeing how the new era has been going, I would probably want to send someone I would want to maybe screw over a little bit. You have the chance of losing your vote, and for me, like, your vote is your voice in the game, so if I can throw someone, I don't want to throw someone under the bus, but I would take a step back and let them get hit by it, kind of, you know?
[01:07:01] Well, even outside of journeys, how much do you want
[01:07:03] to factor advantages into your game?
[01:07:05] We've seen they've been blessings and curses,
[01:07:07] especially, obviously, in seasons. feel completely confident on paper, I'm not gonna go through with something, you know? So how is that gonna translate here? Are you gonna try to rely more on your gut or are you still gonna try to make that checklist? I've been making a checklist back there. You know what I mean? I will listen to my gut when it comes to the social game but when it comes to the actual strategic part of who to vote out, what blind side to taste,
[01:08:21] take risks on, that will probably be more strategic.
[01:08:24] Are there any decisions that you've seen in survivor history get your way in other ways at camp. Are we talking like a Russell hands where are the idol around your neck type of maneuver? Oh, absolutely not. That's just crazy behavior. I have some ideas in mind. I don't wanna spoil them just yet. Okay. You're gonna have to watch. We just have to manifest you finding an idol to see that. Exactly, exactly. I'm definitely gonna be like Russell hands in the sense
[01:09:42] that I'm gonna be looking everywhere, you know?
[01:09:44] What would you say excites you most about the new era
[01:09:47] of survivor?
[01:10:45] That is something that, that's a conversation I had with myself, but I need to remind myself of the fact that I, sure I want to play a part in representation, but I am just one
[01:10:51] person of a very diverse culture.
[01:10:54] It is a tapestry of different people.
[01:10:56] I am not the representative of all Iranian women.
[01:11:00] I am just one person to just remind you guys, hey, we exist, we have a voice, we belong
[01:11:06] here too. Okay, it's rolling so yeah um a Hot take about survivor. I Don't have one right now. I feel like I'm put on the spot. Oh, it's okay. No worries Can I come back to it please? Okay? Let's keep going I got I got a fun one for you to hold your mind up of this if you could bring a Celebrity or a fictional character out. Oh loved ones visit. Who is it for loved ones visit? They'd be my loved one. Yeah. Oh
[01:12:26] Okay, hey, there's like obvious, I think that's a fear everyone has. Absolutely, and for what it's worth, like the sense that I'm getting of you through like the 20 minutes that we talked, it's like if you're authentic self, it's gonna be awesome. Oh yeah, exciting. It's really, no, I think, you know, you're able to have that sassyness, but I do think I see that vulnerability there. And that's something that I think a lot of people
[01:13:41] will vibe with both on the island and at home as well.
[01:13:44] I hope so, I hope so.
[01:13:45] I mean, like we had one of our first like, Ah, drink it down. Last call, everybody. All right. So yeah, let's let's talk about it. Let's talk about Venus. I'm really excited about Venus because again, I think this has certainly been talked about in some of the other players' reactions to her. She certainly represents that initial impression that you might have from like
[01:15:03] the teen recruit Arab survivor, right?
[01:15:05] Like, well, this is just the requisite pretty girl.
[01:15:08] Yeah. OK. So Venus is coming in and she's ready to play hard and she she knows the show.
[01:16:20] She's binged it all. Mike.
[01:16:22] All right. Let's can I get on my soapbox here, Rob?
[01:16:26] Sure. experience for me as like I'm you know my experiences watching these interviews and just this morning so I'm like making breakfast as I'm watching and I'm like listening along with the interview history like she was able to do to recently bliss and referencing the fact that survivor of the Amazon was in SD you are gatekeeping. You could SMD if you do that. I just want to focus in on that because I know
[01:19:00] I was certainly surprised by that poll that she made. I know that obviously Rob you were surprised.
[01:19:04] I'm assuming a lot of people were surprised out there, listen, if I was going to watch all of survivor, I was going to go full till boogie. So let me just start from the beginning. But I agree with your philosophy, I feel like start from the beginning. And if you're not feeling it, just skip the go to the next season.
[01:20:20] Again, yeah, it's a almost survivors, almost like an anthology in that way that it's like,
[01:20:25] Hey, sometimes the characters repeat, but by and is, you know, could be willing to take some plays from the poverty playbook. Yeah. So she said, poverty and Courtney Yates are her winner and non-winner. And I think as music to a lot of survivor fans ears as well, she certainly came in with the mentality of like, we need to see villains again, I'm willing to do whatever she like
[01:21:44] alluded to something she would do with an idol back at camp. worry about is early on because again, look back to that first impression. And she talks in our, in the interview, which I'd love to get into about her expressing like, yeah, I initially come off as cold. I put up walls, I have a high threshold to trust. If you're looking for idols on top of that, that is a bad first impression to leave.
[01:23:00] Yeah, can I make a deep cut reference
[01:23:03] that I'm worried about for Venus like,
[01:23:05] could Venus forget the preference?
[01:23:07] Okay, I'm, I'm, it's interesting because she says like, once you climb over those walls, I'm a secret softie. I'm a big crybaby. Like you, we will become best friends. So I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that especially since like Liz and Sota might want an old girl's thing happening, like if they bring her along, but I could very easily see a world as well where it's like,
[01:24:21] okay, she's not really vibing with these people.
[01:24:24] She's not opening up as much. Could that, like, complaint that's been thrown about in the very beginning where everyone just resembles everyone? That's my assumption. Yeah, where she like- Who else could it be? Who else is giving Lincoln? I don't know who else could be on a penny and you wouldn't be able to blink your eye and who could be on a counterfeit penny? And you'd be like, there's something a little bit off about that, but I'm not entirely sure.
[01:25:41] It is Hunter to me also, of course, Lincoln.
[01:25:43] I mean, Jilinsky could be a little Lincoln-esque.
[01:25:46] I mean, if you ask, though,
[01:25:47] what are the top five qualities of Lincoln? into Watu and Micronesia of like, no, keep me around for those challenges. We're like, I have to navigate through small holes a little bit tougher in the new era. It's much more, again, dependent on strength and on puzzle acumen. And Venus might have that. Again, she's a data analyst. She has a head for that type of stuff. But if people don't see that, that could also be another reason to get rid of her.
[01:27:01] Before we close this chapter on Venus
[01:27:03] and talk more about Nami in general,
[01:27:05] I do wanna talk about the representation aspect of Venus clear enough one of the most diverse seasons of the first 40 seasons because he thought, okay, I'm put on this Asian tribe as an Asian man. And so I'm representing this entire experience. I have to behave a certain way or else it's going to reflect badly upon my community. Venus is not coming in with that mindset, which is incredibly healthy. I'm talking out of my ass
[01:28:21] as a straight white man, but I cannot imagine's going to find her people. And I think she's going to be both loyal to the soil, but also have a really great acumen of approaching the game. I didn't even mention this beforehand, but before becoming a data analyst, she went to business school. And I think that's yet another thing you would not necessarily expect from Venus.
[01:29:43] I do think if she gets past those a lot of them in like the first four episodes or so, which is that they're going to be a train rack. You know, I feel like I think from a skill perspective, there's a high possibility. Now I think there's also a very good shot that like they actually end up gelling really well together. This might be one of the more harmonious tribes as well. And the big personalities
[01:31:03] just all because the big personalities on this tribe are all seemingly good at vibe gun in terms of like the, the physical part. Like, I don't know. Maybe this is not me. Could be the balance tribe. Yeah. Listen, I would love to be the Goldilocks, the little bit of the sweet spot of like personality and also some challenge strength. Well, Hunter and Kevin both have those blonde locks to them. So hopefully they'll be devouring porridge
[01:32:22] as they win all of those challenges. Imagine if They will be, I think, the tribe with the most cumulative personality.
[01:33:40] And to go back to your earlier point, I am worried about Randin here where I do feel
[01:33:44] like that Randin. and basically the decision to be made between these three of the odd squad and Hunter as well. All right. Mike, we've profiled 18 survivors. What a job by you. The right MVP. Well, thank you. I mean, listen, it didn't feel like any sort of job at all considering what I
[01:35:00] was able to do to actually go out there to with people in general. If 10 years of podcasting has not been indicated at that point. I mean, listen, if that was the case, then you really got to know that
[01:36:21] person was a flop. I've been able behind the scenes details to reveal we got to visit the tribe camps as well that will come out in the coming weeks. And once the premiere has aired, it was an absolutely phenomenal experience. I hadn't been out to Fiji since season 39, which certainly has some baggage attached nowadays. And we'll see where survivor 46 takes us. But right now, I am just yeah, but my guess is I but right now I'm just like
[01:38:42] that I had the opportunity to get to showcase these people. And special thanks to these 18 people as well,
[01:38:45] as well as the two alternates for getting the chance
[01:38:47] to open themselves up to me as well.
[01:38:49] And a very kind of weird time in the game
[01:38:51] where they're just sitting on their hands
[01:38:53] waiting to finally play.
[01:38:55] Mike, thank you for all of that.
[01:38:57] We really appreciated you going out there
[01:39:00] and getting all these great interviews.
[01:39:01] And so I could not be more excited for Survivor 46.
[01:39:05] Mike, if people wanna get anything else of, okay, we know that CBS told Survivor, okay, season 45, plan for 90 minutes because of the writer strike. We'll go from there. We'll see what happens when the season airs. Kind of left Survivor in a tough spot of, okay, we have an entire whole last season to film several months before that decision is made. What do we do? And I think the initial theory was, okay, they only planned it with 60 minute episodes
[01:40:26] in there. If anything in my meme, we're actually getting less or stuff that could very easily get cut out in exchange for more character stuff, more stuff around the contestants. I asked him in additionally about like the two hour premiere and the two hour episode two. And he really seemed to allude to the fact that there's not going to be any extra set dressing
[01:41:42] on it.
[01:41:43] It's just going to be more time at camp.