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[02:09.380 --> 02:18.380] Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob, Sister Nino. Back here, day two of our Survivor 46 free season special two of days here with the guy who won.
[02:18.380 --> 02:27.380] With the guy who went out to Fiji to talk with the Survivor contestants. Give it up for Mike Bloom.
[02:27.380 --> 02:34.380] Yes, we are back on day two day, Yonto, if you will, to talk about another Yonto contestant on Yanoo.
[02:34.380 --> 02:44.380] Okay, yesterday we talked about Banu and Jilinsky today. In one podcast, we'll talk about Jess and Kenzie, Mike.
[02:44.380 --> 02:50.380] Yes, so Jess is a reminder to set the table. In case you're just joining us, Stu makes the pizza.
[02:50.380 --> 02:59.380] But also, I had the privilege of getting to fly out to Fiji to interview these contestants in person face to face days before they played the game.
[02:59.380 --> 03:05.380] Did you have the pizza? I did have the pizza actually on my last. I believe I actually sent you a picture of Stu's pizza.
[03:05.380 --> 03:10.380] I had it hours before leaving to go to the airport. Yes, how about the Stu? Did you have the Stu?
[03:10.380 --> 03:17.380] You know, it was quite warm in Fiji. It wasn't great Stu climate, I would say.
[03:17.380 --> 03:21.380] And I don't think Stu, did Stu make the Stu, or were we more so?
[03:21.380 --> 03:25.380] We don't find out. Yeah, we were more so implying that. This is not just one guy.
[03:25.380 --> 03:31.380] The ponderosa staff are multifaceted and multi-staffed as well.
[03:31.380 --> 03:37.380] No doubt. No doubt. Stu is not really the head of this organization. He's just the pizza guy it seems.
[03:37.380 --> 03:43.380] Okay, so we are about to listen to Mike's full interview with Jess.
[03:43.380 --> 03:47.380] Then we'll come back and talk about that. And then you will hear Mike's full interview with Kenzie.
[03:47.380 --> 03:53.380] Of course, all of these interviews as we release them are on our YouTube channel at rob.
[03:53.380 --> 03:57.380] com slash YouTube. Mike, what do you want to set up here about Jess?
[03:57.380 --> 04:05.380] Jess Chong. She is a software engineer from San Francisco, California. She is 37 years old.
[04:05.380 --> 04:13.380] She's a bit of a latecomer to a survivor, but actually a bit earlier than some of the other people on her tribe as we've listened to and will listen to.
[04:13.380 --> 04:17.380] And Jess is a very unique personality. I know I keep saying that about this cast,
[04:17.380 --> 04:22.380] but I'll continue to beat that drum until people actually understand the general tenor of this cast.
[04:22.380 --> 04:29.380] I'm excited to listen to this interview with Jess back because she gave off some really interesting vibes in particular.
[04:29.380 --> 04:32.380] And Rob, I really want to get your thoughts as to how she's going to do.
[04:32.380 --> 04:36.380] Just based on the way she is really coming across the way I talk to her.
[04:36.380 --> 04:43.380] Okay. All right. Great setup. Let's listen to Mike's interview with Jess from Fiji.
[04:43.380 --> 04:45.380] And then we'll come back and talk about it.
[04:45.380 --> 04:49.380] I mean, let's just get off an easy question. Name age occupation.
[04:49.380 --> 04:53.380] Okay. So my name is Jessica Chang. I'm 37 and I work as a software engineer.
[04:53.380 --> 04:56.380] Interesting. Is that something you've been doing for a while?
[04:56.380 --> 04:57.380] How long is a while?
[04:57.380 --> 04:58.380] I mean, that's all the time.
[04:58.380 --> 05:01.380] I've been doing it for eight years, which is a long time.
[05:01.380 --> 05:02.380] I call that a while.
[05:02.380 --> 05:06.380] But then if you consider that I was 29 when I was like, I'm going to become a software engineer.
[05:06.380 --> 05:08.380] It doesn't seem like that long.
[05:08.380 --> 05:10.380] What does your work entail exactly?
[05:10.380 --> 05:14.380] I'm getting into fights with people with me now with guys now.
[05:14.380 --> 05:19.380] So I work at a 12 person startup and can I tell you about what we do?
[05:19.380 --> 05:20.380] Please.
[05:20.380 --> 05:24.380] Oh, we're making a really cool, fast way for people to make slide decks.
[05:24.380 --> 05:29.380] And we recently had to hop on the AI bandwagon to get money.
[05:30.380 --> 05:31.380] Don't put that online.
[05:31.380 --> 05:32.380] Okay.
[05:32.380 --> 05:36.380] But basically you like input a prompt and then it generates a slide deck for you.
[05:36.380 --> 05:39.380] And obviously like the slide deck that it generates isn't the finished piece.
[05:39.380 --> 05:41.380] Like you can go in and edit it.
[05:41.380 --> 05:43.380] It's like notion meets Canva.
[05:43.380 --> 05:44.380] It's really fun to use.
[05:44.380 --> 05:47.380] Is software engineering something you always wanted to do or were you another?
[05:47.380 --> 05:48.380] No.
[05:48.380 --> 05:52.380] I had no idea that you could become a software engineer when I was a kid.
[05:52.380 --> 05:57.380] But when I was like 12 or 13, I was obsessed with making websites.
[05:57.380 --> 06:01.380] So I like bought this book that was like this thick about HTML and CSS.
[06:01.380 --> 06:07.380] And I owned like a domain with three girls in Canada that I didn't know.
[06:07.380 --> 06:11.380] One of them had access to their parents credit card and they like registered a domain name.
[06:11.380 --> 06:13.380] And so we just like hosted websites.
[06:13.380 --> 06:17.380] I had a WWE fan site, a Christiano fan site.
[06:17.380 --> 06:19.380] This is like circa 2000.
[06:19.380 --> 06:22.380] And we had like a message board and everything.
[06:22.380 --> 06:26.380] And so like I didn't know that you could like have a job doing that.
[06:26.380 --> 06:30.380] But also in high school, I didn't want to be the Asian nerd.
[06:30.380 --> 06:35.380] So I threw myself into like all the arts and social science kind of stuff.
[06:35.380 --> 06:41.380] And kind of was like, I'll just kind of stay abreast of developments there.
[06:41.380 --> 06:42.380] But that's not me.
[06:42.380 --> 06:45.380] I mean, I don't want to be a nerd that social suicide.
[06:45.380 --> 06:48.380] So I studied geography and undergrad.
[06:48.380 --> 06:53.380] And I thought I would be, I thought I would work in like writing or editing.
[06:54.380 --> 07:02.380] But I ended up, and I ended up in the nonprofit industry and tried a bunch of those things
[07:02.380 --> 07:09.380] and then ended up making websites and then actually learning how to write programs in 2015.
[07:09.380 --> 07:10.380] Sorry, that was very long winded.
[07:10.380 --> 07:11.380] No, please.
[07:11.380 --> 07:13.380] I mean, let's move on to the next slide in the deck though.
[07:13.380 --> 07:14.380] Yeah.
[07:14.380 --> 07:15.380] Why survivor?
[07:15.380 --> 07:16.380] Why survivor?
[07:16.380 --> 07:18.380] What led to you writing your own program to come out and defeat you.
[07:18.380 --> 07:20.380] Oh my God.
[07:21.380 --> 07:23.380] So I, a bunch of different things.
[07:23.380 --> 07:24.380] I started watching survivor.
[07:24.380 --> 07:27.380] So I moved to San Francisco in 2015 to go to this coding boot camp.
[07:27.380 --> 07:30.380] And I had not watched survivor ever.
[07:30.380 --> 07:36.380] I don't even think I, I don't even think I watched a single episode when it first started airing
[07:36.380 --> 07:38.380] when I was in high school.
[07:38.380 --> 07:43.380] So, but my husband and his family were obsessed with survivors.
[07:43.380 --> 07:45.380] So he would like put on his buff and watch it.
[07:45.380 --> 07:47.380] And I'd be like, you're such a normy nerd.
[07:47.380 --> 07:48.380] Like what are you doing?
[07:48.380 --> 07:49.380] So then I started watching it.
[07:49.380 --> 07:53.380] I started watching during cow rung and I was like, this is like addictive.
[07:53.380 --> 07:57.380] But I'm also like hate watching it because some of the people on this are really mean.
[07:57.380 --> 07:59.380] But then it's got Pollard fans.
[07:59.380 --> 08:00.380] Oh my God.
[08:00.380 --> 08:02.380] Well, I don't know what he's like in real life.
[08:02.380 --> 08:06.380] But when I was watching it, I was like, they're being so mean to that blonde girl to Alicia.
[08:06.380 --> 08:10.380] They kept calling her Blondie and like, it was just, it was just like very uncomfortable.
[08:10.380 --> 08:14.380] But it was so fun to watch Ty like mess up their caves and stuff.
[08:14.380 --> 08:15.380] Oh my God.
[08:15.380 --> 08:16.380] Don't put this on.
[08:16.380 --> 08:17.380] I know what Scott Pollard going after me.
[08:17.380 --> 08:19.380] I have a favorite song.
[08:19.380 --> 08:20.380] Oh my God.
[08:20.380 --> 08:21.380] He's not watching this.
[08:21.380 --> 08:23.380] He has a favorite song.
[08:23.380 --> 08:24.380] Okay.
[08:24.380 --> 08:29.280] So, but yeah, so I watched cow rung and then I was, and then I just kept watching and watching
[08:29.280 --> 08:33.380] and then I was like disappointed every time the first vote out was like an Asian woman.
[08:33.380 --> 08:38.680] And then I watched Gabby play and I was like, that's somebody that I could be because she
[08:38.680 --> 08:43.380] just like cried so shamelessly and I was like, I could be like Gabby probably.
[08:43.380 --> 08:44.380] Interesting.
[08:44.380 --> 08:45.380] Yeah.
[08:46.380 --> 08:47.380] Yeah.
[08:47.380 --> 08:52.380] I feel like yourself with the most it would be someone like Gabby.
[08:52.380 --> 08:56.380] In my, I feel like my lineage is like Gabby, Marianne and Carolyn.
[08:56.380 --> 08:57.380] Oh, look at this.
[08:57.380 --> 08:59.380] And maybe Fabio further up.
[08:59.380 --> 09:00.380] Fabio.
[09:00.380 --> 09:01.380] Interesting.
[09:01.380 --> 09:02.380] I would not have suspected Fabio.
[09:02.380 --> 09:03.380] Why is that?
[09:03.380 --> 09:07.380] Because he's like kind of hapless, but also like indignant a lot of the time, you know, like
[09:07.380 --> 09:08.380] he's got this.
[09:08.380 --> 09:09.380] Yeah.
[09:09.380 --> 09:12.380] Like I feel like a lot of the people in that season where I don't know where their heads were
[09:12.380 --> 09:16.380] at, but he seemed to have like this strong sense of like what was right and wrong.
[09:16.380 --> 09:17.380] Yeah.
[09:17.380 --> 09:20.900] And I kind of, I was like, yeah, like he can be a bit like, yeah, I kind of identified
[09:20.900 --> 09:21.900] with that.
[09:21.900 --> 09:22.900] Yeah.
[09:22.900 --> 09:25.300] And he came up was like totally hapless and clueless, but he knew what was going on and
[09:25.300 --> 09:28.780] he knew how to like talk to the right people at the right time.
[09:28.780 --> 09:31.620] Do you have a sense that you'd bring that sense of morality into the game?
[09:31.620 --> 09:33.420] Because that's always tough.
[09:33.420 --> 09:36.940] People write the social contracts and sometimes like things that I fly in some seasons might
[09:36.940 --> 09:37.940] not fly in other ones.
[09:37.940 --> 09:38.940] Oh my God.
[09:38.940 --> 09:39.940] I don't know.
[09:39.940 --> 09:42.100] I feel like I don't know.
[09:42.100 --> 09:50.420] I feel like I don't want to like strong arm anyone into like abiding by my code of ethics,
[09:50.420 --> 09:51.580] whatever that is.
[09:51.580 --> 09:54.700] But I do feel like when when somebody like crosses me or does something that I think
[09:54.700 --> 10:01.180] is like a gracious or is like bullying someone, I will, I'll usually do something about it.
[10:01.180 --> 10:04.580] If not, if I don't confront them directly, I'll like turn everyone against them.
[10:04.580 --> 10:05.580] Yeah.
[10:05.580 --> 10:06.580] So.
[10:06.580 --> 10:07.580] No, no, no.
[10:07.580 --> 10:08.580] No, I'll just turn everyone against them.
[10:08.580 --> 10:10.780] Public opinion is more important than anything else.
[10:10.780 --> 10:11.780] I guess that is very true.
[10:11.780 --> 10:14.260] What would you say is your favorite moment in survivor history?
[10:14.260 --> 10:19.420] Is it going back to like those, those or do you think no, that I don't know?
[10:19.420 --> 10:20.420] Oh my God.
[10:20.420 --> 10:21.420] Sorry.
[10:21.420 --> 10:22.420] I'm not an earthquake.
[10:22.420 --> 10:23.420] That was a chair.
[10:23.420 --> 10:24.420] That's the ghost of Scott Pollard.
[10:24.420 --> 10:25.420] Oh my God.
[10:25.420 --> 10:28.140] No, he would have flung me off the cliff.
[10:28.140 --> 10:29.140] Oh my God.
[10:29.140 --> 10:30.140] No.
[10:30.140 --> 10:31.140] Okay.
[10:31.140 --> 10:33.700] Um, what was my favorite moment in survivor history?
[10:33.700 --> 10:36.300] Wait, let me think.
[10:37.300 --> 10:42.420] Uh, the most recent one was when Carolyn was at the, bro down feast.
[10:42.420 --> 10:43.420] Oh my God.
[10:43.420 --> 10:44.860] Um, cause I know what that feels like.
[10:44.860 --> 10:47.780] That happens to me all the time at work or it has happened to me a lot at work.
[10:47.780 --> 10:48.780] Mm.
[10:48.780 --> 10:49.780] Yeah.
[10:49.780 --> 10:51.460] What would you say, you know, if I could give you, you could give me one life experience
[10:51.460 --> 10:52.620] that would be most for the game.
[10:52.620 --> 10:53.620] Is it something out of work?
[10:53.620 --> 10:57.940] Is it something else from, you know, your life prior to getting involved with that?
[10:57.940 --> 10:58.940] I have no idea.
[10:58.940 --> 10:59.940] Everything.
[10:59.940 --> 11:01.420] Everything is prepared me from when I was in the womb.
[11:01.420 --> 11:05.580] I'm an identical twin and I came out first probably because I looked like I needed more
[11:05.580 --> 11:11.140] help because my face was smushed with a C-section like my sister's like knee was
[11:11.140 --> 11:12.140] in my face.
[11:12.140 --> 11:15.060] So it was like totally smushed and my dad was like, is she going to be okay?
[11:15.060 --> 11:20.300] And I guess I'm okay, but I became obvious to section and I guess so I've been fighting
[11:20.300 --> 11:23.580] for nutrients since I was an idea.
[11:23.580 --> 11:24.580] Yeah.
[11:24.580 --> 11:25.580] And continues now.
[11:25.580 --> 11:26.580] You got 26 days.
[11:26.580 --> 11:27.580] Yeah.
[11:27.580 --> 11:28.580] Oh my God.
[11:28.580 --> 11:35.380] Um, beyond that, I don't know, I grew up, I like, I don't know, I don't think anyone
[11:35.380 --> 11:36.980] experiences prepared me for it.
[11:36.980 --> 11:42.180] Like, I grew up in Hong Kong and Toronto and was always kind of moving between places and
[11:42.180 --> 11:47.420] moving through these different spaces with people and a bunch of people had different
[11:47.420 --> 11:51.620] ideas about how I was supposed to be as like a woman, as like a Chinese girl living in
[11:51.620 --> 11:54.980] Hong Kong that didn't speak Cantonese, like all these different things.
[11:54.980 --> 12:01.940] I feel like kind of saying, ha, ha, like you don't get to tell me who I am through anything
[12:01.940 --> 12:06.460] that I've done, even like in my career as a software engineer, like having a non-traditional
[12:06.460 --> 12:09.900] background, I feel like that's kind of prepared me.
[12:09.900 --> 12:10.900] Yeah.
[12:10.900 --> 12:11.900] I don't know.
[12:11.900 --> 12:13.540] That was like really long winded and coherent.
[12:13.540 --> 12:15.740] Please, no, coherent and properly winded.
[12:15.740 --> 12:16.740] Okay.
[12:16.740 --> 12:19.340] I mean, something you wrote in your bio is that you talked about a 24, you had two entry level
[12:19.340 --> 12:23.140] jobs and you find them to become a freelance web design, I think, like that's part and
[12:23.140 --> 12:27.900] parcel for what you just said of like, I can have other people determine my success or
[12:27.900 --> 12:31.260] I can determine my own success, however this game may be and that feels so conducive to
[12:31.260 --> 12:32.260] this game.
[12:32.260 --> 12:33.260] Oh my God.
[12:33.260 --> 12:34.260] I have to tell you about another situation.
[12:34.260 --> 12:35.260] Please.
[12:35.260 --> 12:38.340] So there was a time where I was like maybe I should like help people get into college because
[12:38.340 --> 12:42.580] I was like writing and editing skills and I worked at the admissions office at my university
[12:42.580 --> 12:44.300] and stuff.
[12:44.300 --> 12:49.380] So I applied for this gig when I first moved back to Hong Kong in my early twenties and
[12:49.380 --> 12:56.780] it was run by these like, it was run by these guys who I think were just like we need someone,
[12:56.780 --> 12:59.780] I felt like I knew that I was going to be exploited.
[12:59.780 --> 13:04.660] And so I tried to like, get out of it as quickly as I could and they sent me an email
[13:04.660 --> 13:08.340] that was like really threatening and they were like, Hong Kong is a small place, such
[13:08.340 --> 13:13.700] moves can and will damage your reputation and I was like, who the fuck are you to tell me?
[13:13.700 --> 13:18.340] Like, I was like, I was like, I think I like shrieked laughter when I got the email but
[13:18.340 --> 13:22.100] then I got a little bit freaked out and then I was like, and then I showed it to my friend
[13:22.100 --> 13:25.900] who was a lawyer and he was like, you don't have to worry about this.
[13:25.900 --> 13:30.700] But yeah, like people telling me like, what I can and can do, I don't like that and I...
[13:30.700 --> 13:34.980] Well, that being said, something you can't handle or you know, be able to deal with our
[13:34.980 --> 13:35.980] perceptions.
[13:35.980 --> 13:36.980] Yeah.
[13:36.980 --> 13:39.340] How do you think you're going to be perceived?
[13:39.340 --> 13:44.580] I think once people start to talk to me, okay, I think you can already tell from like even non-verbal
[13:44.580 --> 13:49.500] communication that I don't take myself that seriously and I'm like, kind of...
[13:49.500 --> 13:53.020] Somebody use the word frivolous, that's the word that my dad also likes to use sometimes
[13:53.020 --> 13:54.980] and it's not the right word to describe me.
[13:54.980 --> 14:01.860] I think I can come off as hapless and kind of fun loving and like very friendly and that
[14:01.860 --> 14:03.540] is a fine perception for me.
[14:03.540 --> 14:06.060] Yeah, is that something you're going to try to evoke?
[14:06.060 --> 14:08.380] Yes, I don't want them to be like, she's smart.
[14:08.380 --> 14:13.980] Like I don't really think of myself as smart but I feel like I don't want people to think
[14:13.980 --> 14:14.980] that.
[14:14.980 --> 14:20.540] When it comes to other people in the game, are there any qualities you want in like a number
[14:20.540 --> 14:21.540] one ally?
[14:21.540 --> 14:22.540] Are you looking for a number one ally?
[14:22.540 --> 14:25.980] Oh my god, I want a soulmate like Carolyn and Jam Jam.
[14:25.980 --> 14:26.980] I want somebody...
[14:26.980 --> 14:27.980] I want what they have.
[14:27.980 --> 14:28.980] Yeah, I want what they have.
[14:28.980 --> 14:33.300] Like I want someone that understands me and doesn't take themselves too seriously and like
[14:33.300 --> 14:36.140] wants to have fun because I like...
[14:36.140 --> 14:42.020] I think it would really suck to be in alliance with somebody that's like too serious and not
[14:42.020 --> 14:43.020] having fun.
[14:43.020 --> 14:44.020] Yeah.
[14:44.020 --> 14:47.260] Like I would feel very claustrophobic and that kind of arrangement.
[14:47.260 --> 14:50.700] Okay, then if I can't find someone like that, then I would hope that I would find someone
[14:50.700 --> 14:54.780] that has that under like, that also understands me, doesn't have to be exactly like me.
[14:54.780 --> 14:59.060] Hopefully has a skill set that's complementary to mine.
[14:59.060 --> 15:02.420] So maybe they're a bit more strategic and logical.
[15:02.420 --> 15:06.860] Yeah, you mentioned Carolyn and Jam Jam when it comes down to like the pointy end of the
[15:06.860 --> 15:11.460] game and you're someone that you're tight with, would you legitimately debate getting
[15:11.460 --> 15:12.460] rid of them?
[15:12.460 --> 15:14.660] Jesse and Cody Styler, is it tough to contend with that?
[15:14.660 --> 15:18.900] Oh my god, it would depend so much on their relationship with the people in the jury.
[15:18.900 --> 15:20.800] Like I have no idea.
[15:20.800 --> 15:21.800] I don't know.
[15:21.800 --> 15:24.780] Like what kind of guy we had to do with Christian?
[15:24.780 --> 15:30.740] I don't know because I do see that I think it would be so fun to play the game with someone
[15:30.740 --> 15:33.700] that I like felt very close to and go to the end with someone.
[15:33.700 --> 15:38.900] Like I don't think anything could beat that experience except for winning a million dollars.
[15:38.900 --> 15:39.900] Yeah.
[15:39.900 --> 15:40.900] Yeah.
[15:40.900 --> 15:44.660] So I'm assuming you've been, you know, looking around at the people that have been around
[15:44.660 --> 15:45.660] alongside you.
[15:45.660 --> 15:47.900] I mean, what good vibes are you getting from anyone?
[15:47.980 --> 15:53.100] Oh my god, I can't really say because I've been taking very seriously this whole thing
[15:53.100 --> 15:54.700] about not talking to people.
[15:54.700 --> 15:55.700] Yeah.
[15:55.700 --> 15:57.820] Sometimes I go like this when I walk by.
[15:57.820 --> 16:00.620] Okay, there's a girl with red hair and she's covered in tattoos.
[16:00.620 --> 16:02.300] I'm too indecisive to get a tattoo.
[16:02.300 --> 16:06.620] So I'm like, that's really gutsy, but she was doing embroidery and I'm a crafter.
[16:06.620 --> 16:07.620] I sewed this outfit.
[16:07.620 --> 16:08.620] Oh my god.
[16:08.620 --> 16:09.620] Really?
[16:09.620 --> 16:10.620] Yeah, it's like a fake jumpsuit.
[16:10.620 --> 16:11.620] All right.
[16:11.620 --> 16:12.620] Come through a project runway.
[16:12.620 --> 16:13.620] Yeah.
[16:13.620 --> 16:20.540] So she looks cool, but I also feel like I'm not allowed to like make eyes at her.
[16:20.540 --> 16:21.540] So.
[16:21.540 --> 16:22.540] Yeah, that's it.
[16:22.540 --> 16:23.540] I don't know.
[16:23.540 --> 16:24.540] Let's talk about the craftiness.
[16:24.540 --> 16:25.540] Yeah.
[16:25.540 --> 16:27.820] Second, like, are you going to make fake idols?
[16:27.820 --> 16:29.300] Is that something you want to carry over into the game?
[16:29.300 --> 16:32.780] The first order of business is they did not allow me to wear a hat.
[16:32.780 --> 16:33.780] So I'm going to make a hat.
[16:33.780 --> 16:37.860] I had to like, I watched this video like 20 times and then I wrote, I drew like diagrammed all
[16:37.860 --> 16:38.860] the steps.
[16:38.860 --> 16:39.860] And I think I have it like in here.
[16:39.860 --> 16:40.860] Interesting.
[16:40.860 --> 16:41.860] I'm going to make myself a hat.
[16:41.860 --> 16:42.860] I'm going to make a front style or on the materials.
[16:42.860 --> 16:43.860] Yeah, yeah.
[16:43.860 --> 16:44.860] On the front.
[16:44.860 --> 16:46.340] I had like the one that Cody and Jam Jam made.
[16:46.340 --> 16:47.700] I don't want to get sunfucked.
[16:47.700 --> 16:48.700] Yeah.
[16:48.700 --> 16:52.380] And then listen, like we saw it with Cody, like could be an easy out to collect advantages.
[16:52.380 --> 16:53.380] Exactly.
[16:53.380 --> 16:54.380] Oh my god.
[16:54.380 --> 16:55.380] Yeah.
[16:55.380 --> 16:56.380] That was so fun to watch.
[16:56.380 --> 16:57.820] Well, look at the other side of things.
[16:57.820 --> 17:00.540] I know that again, you're trying to keep your head down, but like, is there anyone you've
[17:00.540 --> 17:04.500] had experiences with out there that you're saying like, we're on the same beach like.
[17:04.500 --> 17:06.460] Oh my god.
[17:06.460 --> 17:11.260] I think people that look really serious because I feel like people that are very serious
[17:11.260 --> 17:14.940] or can be very put off by me.
[17:14.940 --> 17:19.260] And I don't want to, you know, I don't want to piss people off right out of the gate.
[17:19.260 --> 17:22.540] But sometimes I have that effect on people that take themselves seriously.
[17:22.540 --> 17:23.540] Interesting.
[17:23.540 --> 17:25.380] Well, I'm going to go back to advantages for a second.
[17:25.380 --> 17:26.380] Yeah.
[17:26.380 --> 17:28.500] Let's say for a few days, but pulls up in your camp.
[17:28.500 --> 17:29.500] Yeah.
[17:29.500 --> 17:30.500] I step out, you know what's happening.
[17:30.500 --> 17:32.460] Pick one person from your tribe to go on a journey.
[17:32.460 --> 17:33.460] Oh my god.
[17:33.460 --> 17:34.460] What are your tactics?
[17:34.460 --> 17:35.460] Are you trying to get yourself there?
[17:35.460 --> 17:38.500] Are you trying to get like your closest ally or your enemy to go to throw them under
[17:38.500 --> 17:39.500] the bus?
[17:39.500 --> 17:40.500] Oh my god.
[17:40.500 --> 17:42.100] I thought about that.
[17:42.100 --> 17:49.140] I feel like I would not volunteer to go because I wouldn't know if I would be allowed to pee.
[17:49.140 --> 17:50.140] Okay.
[17:50.140 --> 17:51.140] What?
[17:51.140 --> 17:52.140] An island.
[17:52.140 --> 17:53.140] Okay.
[17:53.140 --> 17:54.140] Well, actually like, I don't know.
[17:54.140 --> 17:58.620] I don't really, I haven't really plotted out my course because I just have no idea what's
[17:58.620 --> 17:59.620] going to happen.
[17:59.620 --> 18:01.780] And I feel like whatever happens, I would just have to roll with it.
[18:01.780 --> 18:02.780] Yeah.
[18:02.780 --> 18:05.860] So if I went to the island, I would do my best to ingratiate myself to the people there
[18:05.860 --> 18:10.580] and make it seem like I'm telling them lots of juicy gossip, but not really tell them
[18:10.580 --> 18:12.900] anything meaningful, which I'm very good at doing.
[18:12.900 --> 18:15.180] I think that's like my magic spell that I do.
[18:15.180 --> 18:16.180] Yeah.
[18:16.180 --> 18:17.820] So is that sort of like lack of, you know, more thought?
[18:17.820 --> 18:21.180] Is that part of the new era for you of just like, you never know what to expect in 26 days?
[18:21.180 --> 18:23.140] That makes you feel like, oh, well with the punches.
[18:23.140 --> 18:24.180] It's just part of who I am.
[18:24.180 --> 18:25.180] Okay.
[18:25.180 --> 18:28.940] I like, I just found out this year that I'm ADHD, which makes everything in my life makes
[18:28.940 --> 18:32.740] so much sense and makes like, makes this seem like not that scary.
[18:32.740 --> 18:36.460] I feel like I'm supposed to be like more freaked out and more like, oh my God, I have
[18:36.460 --> 18:39.900] to be plotting and blending, but I'm just going to like, I'll roll with it.
[18:39.900 --> 18:43.660] Well, speaking of rolling with it, when it comes to advantages, like, are you hungry
[18:43.660 --> 18:44.660] for them?
[18:44.660 --> 18:48.020] Are you going to try to step back knowing like, oh my God, when you know people, when you
[18:48.020 --> 18:50.780] know people know, have them like that and lead to them getting targeted?
[18:50.780 --> 18:51.780] They're always a curse.
[18:51.780 --> 18:52.780] Yeah.
[18:52.780 --> 18:57.540] I feel like if I found one, I would like plant it such that I could see, I could watch someone
[18:57.540 --> 19:01.020] else get it and know exactly who had it.
[19:01.020 --> 19:04.940] This is like a lot of the magical things would have to fall into place for this to happen
[19:04.940 --> 19:08.500] and then put the target on them and hopefully it would be someone I didn't like that much.
[19:08.500 --> 19:09.500] Yeah.
[19:09.500 --> 19:10.500] You could do what Matthew did with Jane.
[19:10.500 --> 19:11.500] Exactly.
[19:11.500 --> 19:12.500] You can straight to the fake eye.
[19:12.500 --> 19:13.500] That's the idol.
[19:13.500 --> 19:14.980] Or what Danny did with Matt.
[19:14.980 --> 19:15.980] Yeah.
[19:15.980 --> 19:16.980] You never know if something is real either.
[19:16.980 --> 19:19.820] I'm almost like, let's not touch anything.
[19:19.820 --> 19:20.820] Yeah.
[19:20.820 --> 19:25.820] When it comes to making a decision in your life, do you have like a set process of how
[19:25.820 --> 19:28.460] you go about it or are you someone that is more gut oriented?
[19:28.460 --> 19:35.060] I am 100% gut oriented and this has been a learning experience for me and my husband
[19:35.060 --> 19:42.300] because he's very process driven and he's been trying to give me advice about how to play
[19:42.300 --> 19:46.700] and he really loves board games and dungeons and dragons and stuff like that and I don't
[19:46.700 --> 19:49.660] have patience for the rules and stuff and I'm just like, I'm just going to go with my
[19:49.660 --> 19:50.660] gut.
[19:50.660 --> 19:52.700] It's worked for me so far in my life.
[19:52.700 --> 19:54.100] I'm going to go with my gut.
[19:54.460 --> 19:58.820] I think my process, the one thing that will like move the needle on how I decide stuff
[19:58.820 --> 20:03.860] is if I've decided that somebody has done something that I find to be morally repugnant
[20:03.860 --> 20:04.860] or something like that.
[20:04.860 --> 20:05.860] Interesting.
[20:05.860 --> 20:10.260] Or if I find that they're like a little bit too like rude to someone that they don't like
[20:10.260 --> 20:11.260] then I'll go in that.
[20:11.260 --> 20:12.260] Yeah.
[20:12.260 --> 20:13.260] I mean, talking about the Carolyn Bro down, right?
[20:13.260 --> 20:14.260] Yeah.
[20:14.260 --> 20:16.260] If you found out that something happened to someone, you'd speak up about it.
[20:16.260 --> 20:17.260] Yeah.
[20:17.260 --> 20:18.260] Yeah.
[20:18.260 --> 20:19.260] Interesting.
[20:19.260 --> 20:20.260] Or like turn the turn and everyone against them.
[20:20.260 --> 20:21.260] Well, let's talk about preparation.
[20:21.340 --> 20:23.860] Perhaps, besides sure keeping the advice of your husband?
[20:23.860 --> 20:25.980] No, I did listen to his advice.
[20:25.980 --> 20:29.060] What have you been doing in preparation for this though?
[20:29.060 --> 20:34.820] So I conveniently live with the one who bought a 3D printer on Craigslist and printed out
[20:34.820 --> 20:40.660] some puzzles and his name is my husband because I would never have the patience to learn how
[20:40.660 --> 20:44.820] to use like whatever like AutoCAD or whatever software he was using to do that.
[20:44.820 --> 20:45.820] Interesting.
[20:45.820 --> 20:48.620] I also started swimming at a pool near my house.
[20:48.860 --> 20:53.060] I also started going to the gym because I've been rather sedentary.
[20:53.060 --> 20:56.900] Leading up to this, the only exercise I get is bike commuting by necessity because I don't
[20:56.900 --> 20:58.540] know how to drive.
[20:58.540 --> 21:01.820] I, what else have I been doing?
[21:01.820 --> 21:03.660] I did a lot.
[21:03.660 --> 21:07.140] I got brain teaser, like a brain teaser book in case there were like the Asian girl has
[21:07.140 --> 21:09.540] to do the savvy, the sweater savvy thing.
[21:09.540 --> 21:10.540] Oh yeah, the most smart savvy.
[21:10.540 --> 21:12.180] Those ones look like look not that hard though.
[21:12.180 --> 21:13.180] Yeah.
[21:13.180 --> 21:15.860] It seemed like if you have a pattern behind it like counting the rings it seemed.
[21:15.860 --> 21:16.860] Yeah.
[21:16.860 --> 21:17.860] Yeah.
[21:17.940 --> 21:19.300] Or they had to count the triangles.
[21:19.300 --> 21:21.540] I think I would have been second guessing myself all the time.
[21:21.540 --> 21:24.940] Yeah, that's the thing is that like you're given, you say that like there's no time in
[21:24.940 --> 21:27.540] the new era like so you can just you know go with your gut.
[21:27.540 --> 21:28.540] Yeah.
[21:28.540 --> 21:29.540] It's like nope.
[21:29.540 --> 21:31.140] Second yourself because you only have one chance.
[21:31.140 --> 21:32.140] Yeah.
[21:32.140 --> 21:33.140] Yeah.
[21:33.140 --> 21:34.140] The brain teasers.
[21:34.140 --> 21:36.660] I feel like every day I did something that would help me.
[21:36.660 --> 21:37.660] Yeah.
[21:37.660 --> 21:38.660] That would help me.
[21:38.660 --> 21:39.660] Nice.
[21:39.660 --> 21:43.540] Is there a moment in survivor history like a decision that was made where you were like
[21:43.540 --> 21:44.900] I can't believe you did that.
[21:44.900 --> 21:47.540] If I was out there, I totally wouldn't have done this.
[21:47.620 --> 21:50.620] Oh my God.
[21:50.620 --> 21:56.180] I can involve Scott Pollard if you wanted to.
[21:56.180 --> 21:57.180] No.
[21:57.180 --> 21:58.180] Oh my God.
[21:58.180 --> 21:59.180] He's so scary.
[21:59.180 --> 22:02.420] I'm sure he's like a really lovely person inside.
[22:02.420 --> 22:07.340] Um, I have to think about past seasons.
[22:07.340 --> 22:08.340] Mm hmm.
[22:08.340 --> 22:12.300] So the other thing, there's something wrong with me because like this is how like when I
[22:12.300 --> 22:16.260] watch movies or TV shows, I don't often remember exactly what happens.
[22:16.260 --> 22:17.260] Yeah.
[22:17.340 --> 22:18.340] But I remember, yeah.
[22:18.340 --> 22:20.180] But I remember how someone made me feel.
[22:20.180 --> 22:21.980] And that's like the more important thing.
[22:21.980 --> 22:27.100] Well, that is actually the incredibly important to like a jury sense in my perspective.
[22:27.100 --> 22:28.100] Yeah.
[22:28.100 --> 22:30.260] There was so many different types of criteria that people vote for.
[22:30.260 --> 22:32.900] But like at the end of the day, a lot of jury members are left with, well, how did you
[22:32.900 --> 22:33.900] make me feel?
[22:33.900 --> 22:37.340] And so I think that emotional intelligence is actually a very good superpower to have.
[22:37.340 --> 22:38.340] Yeah.
[22:38.340 --> 22:41.620] I just don't have the strategic acumen.
[22:41.620 --> 22:45.420] I just don't have good memory because of my ADHD or I just cause like I just, I just,
[22:45.420 --> 22:49.380] it's really hard for me to like go, but I don't have like this index in my head of
[22:49.380 --> 22:53.740] like moves because I just, I'm thinking, no, it's, it's fine.
[22:53.740 --> 22:58.020] I actually want to go on that train of like training your bio that you've been shows
[22:58.020 --> 23:01.300] percent of the way through and like I got to Google the last 20%.
[23:01.300 --> 23:02.300] Yeah.
[23:02.300 --> 23:05.500] I can't watch it anymore because I just want to know what happens and then, yeah, that's
[23:05.500 --> 23:06.500] so interesting.
[23:06.500 --> 23:08.300] What have you been doing recently with that?
[23:08.300 --> 23:09.300] Do you remember?
[23:09.300 --> 23:10.300] What shows?
[23:10.300 --> 23:11.300] Yeah.
[23:12.300 --> 23:13.300] Succession.
[23:13.300 --> 23:14.300] Oh my God.
[23:14.300 --> 23:15.300] I missed the finale.
[23:15.300 --> 23:16.300] Do you want that?
[23:16.300 --> 23:18.300] I feel like Roman is going to die.
[23:18.300 --> 23:19.300] Okay.
[23:19.300 --> 23:20.300] Okay.
[23:20.300 --> 23:21.300] Or Ken, one of them.
[23:21.300 --> 23:22.300] That's all.
[23:22.300 --> 23:23.300] All right.
[23:23.300 --> 23:25.300] We're getting succession predictions in stone.
[23:25.300 --> 23:27.300] I don't even realize.
[23:27.300 --> 23:28.300] Oh my gosh.
[23:28.300 --> 23:29.300] Yeah.
[23:29.300 --> 23:31.300] Succession and survivor are like the only TV shows I watch.
[23:31.300 --> 23:32.300] Mm hmm.
[23:32.300 --> 23:33.300] But you don't.
[23:33.300 --> 23:36.300] Do you, 20% of the survivors season if you're not.
[23:36.300 --> 23:37.300] Oh.
[23:37.300 --> 23:40.300] No, I usually like, no, the most recent one I watched.
[23:41.300 --> 23:43.300] I think I didn't finish the bone.
[23:43.300 --> 23:44.300] Mm hmm.
[23:44.300 --> 23:46.300] Because it was like, that one was really hard to watch.
[23:46.300 --> 23:50.300] I mean, if you talk about wanting to speak up against people that are treated improperly.
[23:50.300 --> 23:51.300] Yeah.
[23:51.300 --> 23:52.300] It was a season full of that.
[23:52.300 --> 23:53.300] Yeah.
[23:53.300 --> 23:54.300] Oh my God.
[23:54.300 --> 23:56.300] And then Nicaragua, I really enjoyed.
[23:56.300 --> 23:57.300] Mm hmm.
[23:57.300 --> 24:00.300] But then I was like, I don't want to like, part of me is like, I don't want to watch
[24:00.300 --> 24:02.300] the game because I want to like, I don't want it to infect.
[24:02.300 --> 24:04.300] I don't think infect is the right word.
[24:04.300 --> 24:05.300] I don't want it to pollute.
[24:05.300 --> 24:09.300] Like, my sense of self going into the game.
[24:10.300 --> 24:11.300] I definitely am.
[24:11.300 --> 24:12.300] Oh my God.
[24:12.300 --> 24:15.300] I'm probably like the worst person to be interviewing about this.
[24:15.300 --> 24:17.300] I don't have a strategy except to like.
[24:17.300 --> 24:18.300] Absolutely not.
[24:18.300 --> 24:19.300] Could you use people.
[24:19.300 --> 24:22.300] You would be surprised how many people I have talked to, especially in the new era
[24:22.300 --> 24:24.300] where I've done exactly what you have done.
[24:24.300 --> 24:27.300] Like, there is a sense of adaptability and coming in.
[24:27.300 --> 24:29.300] And I think, I think you are more prepared than you think you are.
[24:29.300 --> 24:32.300] Like, considering what I've heard about your life and from just talking with me.
[24:32.300 --> 24:35.300] Like, I think that's, that's what you need is the ability to go with the flow,
[24:35.300 --> 24:38.300] but also have enough personal confidence in yourself to be like,
[24:38.300 --> 24:40.300] Okay, this new thing got thrown my way.
[24:40.300 --> 24:41.300] This new person is doing this thing.
[24:41.300 --> 24:42.300] Yeah.
[24:42.300 --> 24:43.300] I'll just, I'll just write it out.
[24:43.300 --> 24:44.300] Sure.
[24:44.300 --> 24:45.300] That doesn't seem like you're stranded out in the middle of the water.
[24:45.300 --> 24:46.300] You got the paddle.
[24:46.300 --> 24:47.300] You're ready to row.
[24:47.300 --> 24:48.300] Oh my God.
[24:48.300 --> 24:49.300] You're so good at talking.
[24:49.300 --> 24:50.300] Oh thank you.
[24:50.300 --> 24:51.300] You're so fast.
[24:51.300 --> 24:54.300] Well, let me finish off with a couple of questions here for you.
[24:54.300 --> 24:55.300] Sure.
[24:55.300 --> 24:56.300] What would you say?
[24:56.300 --> 24:58.300] I'm going to make you look back on survivor history again.
[24:58.300 --> 24:59.300] What is your hottest survivor take?
[24:59.300 --> 25:03.300] My hottest survivor take?
[25:03.300 --> 25:05.300] I likes the medallion of power.
[25:05.300 --> 25:07.300] I think I like that too.
[25:07.300 --> 25:11.300] Because the challenges looked easier because there were like geriatric people on it.
[25:11.300 --> 25:13.300] Well, I was going to say I don't know if you've talked with Dalton yet,
[25:13.300 --> 25:17.300] but Dalton has been the most like vocal anti-members of the medallion of power.
[25:17.300 --> 25:18.300] Oh my God.
[25:18.300 --> 25:19.300] So you're going to have to sell them on it.
[25:19.300 --> 25:22.300] Well, he asked me in the hot take and I said the hourglass thing,
[25:22.300 --> 25:25.300] but then I think the medallion of power is cool too,
[25:25.300 --> 25:27.300] because it gives you some agency and you have to really think about.
[25:27.300 --> 25:29.300] Yeah, it's not, it's not a gimme, right?
[25:29.300 --> 25:30.300] Yeah.
[25:30.300 --> 25:31.300] That's was such an easy thing.
[25:31.300 --> 25:35.300] This is like, okay, we could give this up for an advantage in the challenge.
[25:35.300 --> 25:39.300] Yeah, it's like another vector to see like how the tribe sees itself
[25:39.300 --> 25:41.300] and how they make decisions together.
[25:41.300 --> 25:44.300] Last thing I want to ask, if you could bring a celebrity
[25:44.300 --> 25:47.300] or a fictional character out to the island as your loved one,
[25:47.300 --> 25:48.300] who would it be?
[25:48.300 --> 25:49.300] Loved one?
[25:49.300 --> 25:50.300] Yeah.
[25:50.300 --> 25:52.300] Someone you want to see as your lowest moment in the game.
[25:52.300 --> 25:53.300] A fictional character?
[25:53.300 --> 25:54.300] Yeah.
[25:54.300 --> 25:57.300] I think I would pick Catherine O'Hara.
[25:57.300 --> 25:58.300] Oh, my God.
[25:58.300 --> 26:01.300] I would be specifically with her as like Moira from Shits Tree.
[26:01.300 --> 26:02.300] Specifically, yeah.
[26:02.300 --> 26:07.300] Because I think she would give me some very good advice
[26:07.300 --> 26:11.300] about how to give a sizzling final tribal council speech.
[26:11.300 --> 26:12.300] Yeah, she would.
[26:12.300 --> 26:14.300] Absolutely not the hell out of it.
[26:14.300 --> 26:15.300] Yeah.
[26:15.300 --> 26:17.300] And she'll tell you how to just fold everything into the game.
[26:17.300 --> 26:18.300] Exactly.
[26:18.300 --> 26:20.300] This was so fantastic.
[26:20.300 --> 26:21.300] It was so much fun.
[26:21.300 --> 26:22.300] This was so much fun.
[26:22.300 --> 26:24.300] How are you feeling right now?
[26:24.300 --> 26:27.300] I know that you said you feel like you should be more scared,
[26:27.300 --> 26:29.300] but like as it gets closer and closer,
[26:29.300 --> 26:31.300] what is like the most prominent feeling for you right now?
[26:31.300 --> 26:32.300] Repressed.
[26:32.300 --> 26:34.300] Because I haven't been able to talk to anyone.
[26:34.300 --> 26:35.300] Yeah.
[26:35.300 --> 26:38.300] Nothing makes me happier than going out and like meeting new people
[26:38.300 --> 26:39.300] and getting to know them.
[26:39.300 --> 26:42.300] And I feel like I've just been going like this and acting like a weirdo.
[26:42.300 --> 26:45.300] I just really want to go out and meet some people and
[26:45.300 --> 26:47.300] figure out what they're about.
[26:47.300 --> 26:48.300] Yeah.
[26:48.300 --> 26:50.300] Hopefully there's someone that I vibe with.
[26:50.300 --> 26:51.300] I don't know.
[26:51.300 --> 26:53.300] Well, it was so fantastic getting to meet you.
[26:53.300 --> 26:55.300] Hopefully, I see this nice conduit of like a person to talk to
[26:55.300 --> 26:56.300] and meet.
[26:56.300 --> 26:58.300] I wish you all the best with like the next, you know,
[26:58.300 --> 27:01.300] couple days as well as hopefully the next 26 days to come.
[27:01.300 --> 27:02.300] All right.
[27:02.300 --> 27:03.300] There you have it.
[27:03.300 --> 27:04.300] There's Jess.
[27:04.300 --> 27:05.300] Yes.
[27:05.300 --> 27:09.300] So I will admit, and one of the reasons again, I'm really keen to
[27:09.300 --> 27:12.300] hear your thoughts on Jess Rob is that I walked away from this.
[27:12.300 --> 27:15.300] And this was such a lovely conversation and such great crafty
[27:15.300 --> 27:16.300] skills as well.
[27:16.300 --> 27:19.300] Like no matter how she does on survivor put Jess on project
[27:19.300 --> 27:23.300] runway, perhaps, but I kind of walk away from this interview with
[27:23.300 --> 27:27.300] Jess Rob to quote, I guess something she said to me off
[27:27.300 --> 27:30.300] times during this interview saying, I don't know.
[27:30.300 --> 27:36.300] I don't know how Jess is going to do her succession predictions
[27:36.300 --> 27:37.300] didn't come true.
[27:37.300 --> 27:38.300] Yeah.
[27:38.300 --> 27:41.300] But to be fair, the last episode she saw spoiler alert for
[27:41.300 --> 27:44.300] succession, even though I kind of spoiled.
[27:44.300 --> 27:46.300] Even though I did spoil it actually in the interview.
[27:46.300 --> 27:48.300] But this if you remember in the penultimate episode, that's when
[27:48.300 --> 27:50.300] Roman purposely got himself roughed up.
[27:50.300 --> 27:51.300] Okay.
[27:51.300 --> 27:52.300] All right.
[27:52.300 --> 27:53.300] So all right.
[27:53.300 --> 27:54.300] I didn't know was okay.
[27:54.300 --> 27:56.300] I hear in a different version of the episode.
[27:56.300 --> 27:57.300] It would have been a lot worse.
[27:57.300 --> 27:58.300] All right.
[27:58.300 --> 28:02.300] So that I think I have to like try to hold two things in my hands
[28:02.300 --> 28:06.300] at once because I really adore Jess as a person.
[28:06.300 --> 28:11.300] She seems like somebody that would be a great person to hang out
[28:11.300 --> 28:12.300] with.
[28:12.300 --> 28:15.300] I think that she's somebody who would probably be like a great
[28:15.300 --> 28:16.300] podcaster.
[28:16.300 --> 28:19.300] I think she's very fun to have around.
[28:20.300 --> 28:25.300] But as somebody who I am going to bank on to like put my chip on
[28:25.300 --> 28:30.300] them as like the winner of the season, I'm not sure.
[28:30.300 --> 28:33.300] I don't think there's any reason that people will want to get rid
[28:33.300 --> 28:34.300] of her immediately.
[28:34.300 --> 28:37.300] I don't think she's going to rub anybody the wrong way.
[28:37.300 --> 28:42.300] But I feel like that she just seems as she herself will say that
[28:42.300 --> 28:47.300] she often is like without like a strong plan.
[28:48.300 --> 28:55.300] And I think is like guided a little bit more by her empathy for
[28:55.300 --> 29:01.300] things or her moral repugnance of things.
[29:01.300 --> 29:06.300] And so I wonder if she might be a little bit more reactive in the
[29:06.300 --> 29:08.300] game and maybe in the new era of survivor.
[29:08.300 --> 29:11.300] That's like a better way to go.
[29:11.300 --> 29:16.300] But I'm not sure necessarily when we talk about like her being able
[29:17.300 --> 29:20.300] to like be running things.
[29:20.300 --> 29:23.300] I don't know if I get that from Jess.
[29:23.300 --> 29:28.300] And that's not necessarily anything to preclude her from
[29:28.300 --> 29:31.300] winning the game, certainly, especially in the new era.
[29:31.300 --> 29:35.300] Sometimes the eminent gameplay is to not be the one that's at
[29:35.300 --> 29:37.300] least perceived as running things.
[29:37.300 --> 29:42.300] Though again, they had just seen Jam Jam win 44, who I think
[29:42.300 --> 29:45.300] was definitely seen as a big part of the alliance that ended up
[29:45.300 --> 29:47.300] controlling the entire end game.
[29:47.300 --> 29:52.300] So again, that might be something that could determine what explains
[29:52.300 --> 29:55.300] a winning game to some of these possible jurors.
[29:55.300 --> 29:58.300] You say that you don't see a reason why they would want to get
[29:58.300 --> 30:00.300] rid of Jess early.
[30:00.300 --> 30:02.300] I could see a couple of things.
[30:02.300 --> 30:05.300] And it might just be a bit of a personality clash.
[30:05.300 --> 30:09.300] And Jess is someone who self admittedly says that she doesn't
[30:09.300 --> 30:10.300] take herself seriously.
[30:10.300 --> 30:13.300] She wants to find someone else who also wants to have a lot of
[30:13.300 --> 30:15.300] fun and not take themselves seriously.
[30:15.300 --> 30:17.300] I think that's going to be a cast full of these types of people.
[30:17.300 --> 30:20.300] She'll she will not be without that type of person.
[30:20.300 --> 30:24.300] But I just feel like Jess could potentially be in a situation
[30:24.300 --> 30:28.300] where like the way she's interacting with people, I could
[30:28.300 --> 30:31.300] see rubbing some of her tribe members the wrong way.
[30:31.300 --> 30:32.300] Well, it's interesting.
[30:32.300 --> 30:36.300] I think that she's a little bit of an enigma in that, you know,
[30:36.300 --> 30:41.300] she talks about like herself and sort of like being, you know,
[30:41.300 --> 30:46.300] somebody who is like very flexible could go any number of
[30:46.300 --> 30:47.300] directions.
[30:47.300 --> 30:53.300] But also in terms of other people, she tells us that she doesn't
[30:53.300 --> 30:55.300] like being told what to do.
[30:55.300 --> 31:00.300] She talks about how that she has a extremely strong like code of
[31:00.300 --> 31:01.300] ethics.
[31:01.300 --> 31:02.300] Yeah.
[31:02.300 --> 31:05.300] To the point where she stops watching survivor seasons and a
[31:05.300 --> 31:07.300] couple of times because she's like, yeah, these mean people are
[31:07.300 --> 31:08.300] doing well.
[31:08.300 --> 31:09.300] I don't like that.
[31:09.300 --> 31:12.300] And again, like, and based off of this tribe so far, I don't see
[31:12.300 --> 31:16.300] that person necessarily that she wouldn't be butting heads with.
[31:16.300 --> 31:20.300] But we do get that personality type, like a lot of these type A
[31:20.300 --> 31:24.300] personalities, which she might not necessarily go with.
[31:24.300 --> 31:29.300] So in some ways, I feel like that she is telling us that she
[31:29.300 --> 31:35.300] might be rather inflexible about working with some people.
[31:35.300 --> 31:41.300] But in terms of like her own direction, she's saying that she
[31:41.300 --> 31:47.300] does not feel like that she will have like a very strong like
[31:47.300 --> 31:52.300] compass pointing her in the direction of like a solid strategy.
[31:52.300 --> 31:53.300] Yeah.
[31:53.300 --> 31:57.300] It's so interesting that she described Fabio as kind of
[31:57.300 --> 32:00.300] hapless, but also indignant a lot of the time.
[32:00.300 --> 32:04.300] And I think Jess is certainly somebody that is all about changing
[32:04.300 --> 32:06.300] the definitions of words, right?
[32:06.300 --> 32:09.300] She says her dad describes her as frivolous, but he kind of means
[32:09.300 --> 32:10.300] it in a good way.
[32:10.300 --> 32:15.300] Indignant as a description for Fabio is a little question marky to
[32:15.300 --> 32:16.300] me personally.
[32:16.300 --> 32:20.300] But hey, I mean, it's the second Fabio reference we've had on this
[32:20.300 --> 32:21.300] tribe.
[32:21.300 --> 32:24.300] And I think at least she walks up more of an idea than a person now,
[32:24.300 --> 32:25.300] Mike.
[32:25.300 --> 32:29.300] I mean, I guess he wasn't indignant at the idea of Nayanka wearing his
[32:29.300 --> 32:32.300] socks, which I guess is an understandable point of a dignity.
[32:32.300 --> 32:36.300] But I think that Jess, at least is talking about it from a logical
[32:36.300 --> 32:39.300] perspective in terms of having, again, this sense of right and wrong,
[32:39.300 --> 32:41.300] which I do think everybody does.
[32:41.300 --> 32:45.300] And that's part of the genuine interest in survivor that has kept
[32:45.300 --> 32:48.300] the ship afloat for 20 plus years is like, okay, what is the line
[32:48.300 --> 32:49.300] for some people?
[32:49.300 --> 32:52.300] What is something that would be part of the game versus something
[32:52.300 --> 32:55.300] that crosses into personal boundaries in more ways than one?
[32:55.300 --> 32:58.300] But she at least says like, okay, if someone does something that I
[32:58.300 --> 33:01.300] don't like, let me try to do it from a strategic perspective.
[33:01.300 --> 33:03.300] Maybe not call them out in the middle of camp.
[33:03.300 --> 33:06.300] I don't think that's Jess's code, if you will.
[33:06.300 --> 33:10.300] I think it's more so her code to do the coding behind the scenes and
[33:10.300 --> 33:14.300] say, okay, I'm going to try to socially turn people against that
[33:14.300 --> 33:15.300] person.
[33:15.300 --> 33:18.300] That might be, I think, one of the most strategic bones in Jess's
[33:18.300 --> 33:20.300] body as a survivor player.
[33:20.300 --> 33:23.300] And look, we have seen again, people go far that have done less
[33:23.300 --> 33:24.300] strategic things.
[33:24.300 --> 33:25.300] Yeah.
[33:25.300 --> 33:28.300] So I mean, that's my concern up front.
[33:28.300 --> 33:34.300] The things that I like is, you know, she is super fun, charismatic.
[33:34.300 --> 33:39.300] She talked a bit about Gabby being like sort of like the archetype
[33:39.300 --> 33:41.300] that she really likes.
[33:41.300 --> 33:45.300] She talks about in her bio that she played rugby in college, so
[33:45.300 --> 33:51.300] she's going to be maybe tougher than you might first think when
[33:51.300 --> 33:52.300] you see her.
[33:52.300 --> 33:56.300] And so I think that that's going to help her in terms of these
[33:56.300 --> 33:57.300] challenges.
[33:57.300 --> 34:01.300] And so like, I think that she is somebody who I think will be
[34:01.300 --> 34:06.300] well liked and well received, but it's hard for me to see how
[34:06.300 --> 34:08.300] she gets over the hump.
[34:08.300 --> 34:13.300] Well, Rob, I don't know, maybe the idea of her making her own
[34:13.300 --> 34:16.300] clothes, including again, the jumpsuit she was wearing when
[34:16.300 --> 34:20.300] she spoke with me brought this to mind.
[34:20.300 --> 34:23.300] It's just the new era, Krista Hasty.
[34:23.300 --> 34:24.300] I don't think so.
[34:24.300 --> 34:25.300] I don't think so.
[34:25.300 --> 34:29.300] I don't think she's not like wacky, like, you know, like bizarre,
[34:29.300 --> 34:30.300] like Krista Hasty.
[34:30.300 --> 34:32.300] Yeah, I suppose so.
[34:32.300 --> 34:35.300] I think there are wackier cast members here, but I think this
[34:35.300 --> 34:37.300] sort of offbeat vibe.
[34:37.300 --> 34:39.300] I was very much getting from her.
[34:39.300 --> 34:42.300] Even though quirky, not wacky.
[34:42.300 --> 34:43.300] Mm hmm.
[34:43.300 --> 34:46.300] Do you think like Zoe Deschanel and new girl?
[34:46.300 --> 34:47.300] Yes, a dorkable.
[34:47.300 --> 34:48.300] Yes.
[34:48.300 --> 34:49.300] She's a dorkable.
[34:49.300 --> 34:50.300] There we go.
[34:50.300 --> 34:53.300] And I get to that point, was it more of a 2012 thing than a
[34:53.300 --> 34:54.300] 2023 thing?
[34:54.300 --> 34:55.300] We shall see.
[34:55.300 --> 34:58.300] I mean, I also love representation for neurodivergency.
[34:58.300 --> 35:02.300] You know, she talks about recently getting diagnosed with ADHD.
[35:02.300 --> 35:06.300] And that does not, again, preclude anybody from doing well on
[35:06.300 --> 35:08.300] Survivor with ADHD.
[35:08.300 --> 35:12.300] Hell, Carolyn, who just played has ADHD and made it all the way
[35:12.300 --> 35:13.300] to the finals.
[35:13.300 --> 35:17.300] I think the difference, though, lies in A, I think, again,
[35:17.300 --> 35:21.300] Carolyn's a bit more wacky than quirky, but also Carolyn did have
[35:21.300 --> 35:25.300] this entrenched sense of strategy from playing online role,
[35:25.300 --> 35:28.300] playing games, from being a dyed-in-the-wool fan of the show
[35:28.300 --> 35:30.300] since the very beginning.
[35:30.300 --> 35:34.300] And I don't think Jess really has that bite to her.
[35:34.300 --> 35:37.300] And the good news is I think that will help her perception.
[35:37.300 --> 35:40.300] To your point, I don't think anyone's like, Jess is a threat.
[35:40.300 --> 35:41.300] We've got to get rid of her.
[35:41.300 --> 35:45.300] But the other side of that coin is I could see Jess is a little too
[35:45.300 --> 35:46.300] far out there.
[35:46.300 --> 35:48.300] I don't think our personalities are vibing.
[35:48.300 --> 35:52.300] Sometimes people meet up with somebody and then the sum of the
[35:52.300 --> 35:54.300] parts is greater than the whole.
[35:54.300 --> 35:56.300] I don't know if I got that right.
[35:56.300 --> 35:57.300] But you know what I mean?
[35:57.300 --> 36:01.300] That there could be somebody who compliments the things that maybe
[36:01.300 --> 36:06.300] are not necessarily in her wheelhouse that ends up being a very
[36:06.300 --> 36:07.300] successful pair.
[36:07.300 --> 36:11.300] So really like Jess, but I have some concerns.
[36:11.300 --> 36:15.300] I think something that could help her is, listen, she talked about
[36:15.300 --> 36:18.300] the unfortunate stereotypes that comes with being an Asian woman,
[36:18.300 --> 36:20.300] both in life and on this show.
[36:20.300 --> 36:25.300] I will say, Yannu overall is much more of a brawnier tribe than a
[36:25.300 --> 36:26.300] brainier tribe.
[36:26.300 --> 36:29.300] We'll certainly get into that specifically with our last two
[36:29.300 --> 36:31.300] members in our next podcast.
[36:31.300 --> 36:34.300] So I could see if they're looking at, okay, we need someone on
[36:34.300 --> 36:37.300] puzzles to like keep ourselves in it in the challenges.
[36:37.300 --> 36:40.300] That could be Jess's saving grace.
[36:40.300 --> 36:44.300] I could see Jess being one of the first couple boots from Yannu.
[36:44.300 --> 36:48.300] But at the same time, if Yannu does go on a bit of a challenge
[36:48.300 --> 36:52.300] run early on, which again, looking at their makeup, they do have a
[36:52.300 --> 36:53.300] pretty sizable chance of doing.
[36:53.300 --> 36:56.300] We could talk about that again when we finish off the tribe in the
[36:56.300 --> 36:59.300] next podcast, then that's something that could give Jess time to
[36:59.300 --> 37:03.300] kind of ingratiate herself in with other people and make them realize
[37:03.300 --> 37:06.300] like, okay, the frivolity is just sort of the surface level stuff
[37:06.300 --> 37:08.300] when I actually dive down and get to know her.
[37:08.300 --> 37:12.300] And especially all the stuff she has done in her life and all the
[37:12.300 --> 37:15.300] time, she's essentially stood up to people that have told her what
[37:15.300 --> 37:16.300] she is.
[37:16.300 --> 37:18.300] The more I think she can earn respect from others.
[37:18.300 --> 37:19.300] Okay.
[37:19.300 --> 37:24.300] Jess talked about she really likes the woman that has a lot of
[37:24.300 --> 37:25.300] tattoos.
[37:25.300 --> 37:29.300] And I can only presume she's talking about the person that we are
[37:29.300 --> 37:31.300] going to talk about next on this podcast, Mike.
[37:31.300 --> 37:32.300] Yeah.
[37:32.300 --> 37:34.300] I would say not only a lot of tattoos.
[37:34.300 --> 37:39.300] I obviously did not count and only so much was shown to me,
[37:39.300 --> 37:42.300] but I'm not going to go so far as to say the most tattooed person
[37:42.300 --> 37:43.300] in survivor history.
[37:43.300 --> 37:44.300] Wow.
[37:44.300 --> 37:45.300] Okay.
[37:45.300 --> 37:48.300] That might be a off-season podcast to explore.
[37:48.300 --> 37:53.300] That Zane Knight has entered the chat, Mike.
[37:53.300 --> 37:54.300] Yes.
[37:54.300 --> 37:55.300] He's Zane.
[37:55.300 --> 37:56.300] Not quirky for sure.
[37:56.300 --> 37:57.300] Very zane.
[37:57.300 --> 37:58.300] Okay.
[37:58.300 --> 37:59.300] All right.
[37:59.300 --> 38:03.300] So we are going to talk all about Kenzie and what she told Mike
[38:03.300 --> 38:04.300] Bloom.
[38:04.300 --> 38:05.300] Let's take a quick break.
[38:05.300 --> 38:08.300] And when we come back, Mike, let's talk about Kenzie right after
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[40:44.300 --> 40:46.300] One other person to talk about here.
[40:46.300 --> 40:50.300] Jess said she was getting good vibes from Kenzie.
[40:50.300 --> 40:53.300] What was your take on Kenzie?
[40:53.300 --> 40:56.300] Yeah, so Kenzie Petty.
[40:56.300 --> 41:02.300] She is a salon owner based out of Heilab, Charlotte, North Carolina.
[41:02.300 --> 41:06.300] So if Nicole needs her hair done, you know who to send her to.
[41:06.300 --> 41:14.300] Second season in a row with a North Carolina contestant, Sabaya, was a North Carolina representative from last season.
[41:14.300 --> 41:16.300] Is North Carolina the new Canada?
[41:16.300 --> 41:18.300] Is there going to be a mandated one North Carolina non-every season?
[41:18.300 --> 41:20.300] Hey, three out of the four last seasons.
[41:20.300 --> 41:25.300] I don't think anybody from Survivor 44, but Jessi from Survivor 43.
[41:25.300 --> 41:26.300] Wow, you're impact, Rob.
[41:26.300 --> 41:27.300] You're impact.
[41:27.300 --> 41:30.300] And slowly, I think the show wants you to do an event eventually.
[41:30.300 --> 41:34.300] I was going to say in North Carolina, but you literally did one a couple seasons ago.
[41:34.300 --> 41:36.300] But the North Carolina one day.
[41:36.300 --> 41:39.300] Yeah, the North Carolina mafia is building.
[41:39.300 --> 41:42.300] And this might be the godmother at the end of it.
[41:42.300 --> 41:44.300] She is 28 years old.
[41:44.300 --> 41:50.300] And yes, you have heard in previous interviews and you will hear spoiler alert in subsequent interviews.
[41:50.300 --> 41:52.300] This is somebody that sticks out.
[41:53.300 --> 41:54.300] Understandably so.
[41:54.300 --> 41:58.300] If you're looking around in ponderosa, minding your own business in the days before the game.
[41:58.300 --> 42:04.300] And you see this woman with bright red hair covered head to toe in tattoos.
[42:04.300 --> 42:08.300] She's bound to draw some eyes, but I think Kenzie is not only hoping for that.
[42:08.300 --> 42:09.300] She's banking on that.
[42:09.300 --> 42:10.300] Okay.
[42:10.300 --> 42:11.300] All right.
[42:11.300 --> 42:14.300] Mike, anything else to set up before we hear about Kenzie?
[42:14.300 --> 42:19.300] No, what I will say is that as we're setting up this Yannu tribe, the first three that we talked about,
[42:19.300 --> 42:25.300] Bonu, Jielinski, Jess, I feel like those are probably three of the more wild cards in the
[42:25.300 --> 42:31.300] group where I could see them either doing really well or perhaps there are some big Achilles
[42:31.300 --> 42:34.300] heels that end up getting them voted out early on.
[42:34.300 --> 42:36.300] I feel really good about these next three.
[42:36.300 --> 42:42.300] I think that Kenzie and the two we're talking about tomorrow might be the most well situated
[42:42.300 --> 42:46.300] when it comes to not only surviving Yannu, but a merge time situation.
[42:46.300 --> 42:48.300] And hopefully by the end of this interview, you'll figure out why.
[42:48.300 --> 42:49.300] Okay.
[42:49.300 --> 42:51.300] Let's hear Mike's interview with Kenzie.
[42:51.300 --> 42:53.300] Is your tattoo real?
[42:53.300 --> 42:54.300] It's a real tattoo.
[42:54.300 --> 42:55.300] I love it.
[42:55.300 --> 42:58.300] I'm going to say, like, we have stories we can't afford.
[42:58.300 --> 42:59.300] Yeah.
[42:59.300 --> 43:00.300] I love yours.
[43:00.300 --> 43:01.300] That's awesome.
[43:01.300 --> 43:02.300] Thank you.
[43:02.300 --> 43:03.300] How are you doing right now?
[43:03.300 --> 43:04.300] I'm amazing.
[43:04.300 --> 43:05.300] I'm so excited.
[43:05.300 --> 43:06.300] It's surreal being here.
[43:06.300 --> 43:11.300] It's been such a long process and I've worked so hard that now that it's all happening, it still
[43:11.300 --> 43:14.300] doesn't feel like real, but it's real.
[43:14.300 --> 43:15.300] We're here and it's happening.
[43:15.300 --> 43:20.300] Well, to start, let's just do for, you know, audio purposes, just give me name, age, occupation.
[43:20.300 --> 43:21.300] Okay.
[43:21.300 --> 43:24.300] Kenzie, I'm 28 and I'm a hairstylist and salon owner.
[43:24.300 --> 43:25.300] Hairs and salon owner.
[43:25.300 --> 43:27.300] How long have you owned the salon for?
[43:27.300 --> 43:29.300] I've owned the salon for four years.
[43:29.300 --> 43:32.300] So COVID happened right after our first birthday.
[43:32.300 --> 43:33.300] Yeah.
[43:33.300 --> 43:34.300] Wow.
[43:34.300 --> 43:35.300] So that's a COVID baby.
[43:35.300 --> 43:36.300] It's a COVID baby.
[43:36.300 --> 43:37.300] Yeah.
[43:37.300 --> 43:38.300] And I mean, I was a baby when I opened it.
[43:38.300 --> 43:39.300] I was 24 when I opened it.
[43:39.300 --> 43:40.300] So.
[43:40.300 --> 43:41.300] So what was the path?
[43:41.300 --> 43:43.300] I'm assuming you were, you know, a stylist before that.
[43:43.300 --> 43:44.300] Yeah.
[43:44.300 --> 43:49.300] So I started doing hair when I was 15.
[43:49.300 --> 43:51.300] I was either going to, I got my first salon job.
[43:51.300 --> 43:55.300] I was either going to do hair or I was going to like marry an old rich dying man.
[43:55.300 --> 43:57.300] Those were, those were my life.
[43:57.300 --> 44:02.300] Those were my life plans, but now I get to be my own old rich man.
[44:02.300 --> 44:03.300] Yeah.
[44:03.300 --> 44:08.300] So I had done hair for a long time, worked under some different salon owners and I just saw
[44:08.300 --> 44:09.300] I could do it better.
[44:09.300 --> 44:12.300] And a space opened up, opportunity struck.
[44:12.300 --> 44:17.300] I wrote a business plan in four days and was negotiating a lease a week later.
[44:17.300 --> 44:20.300] I mean, this really is building the plane as it flies, right?
[44:20.300 --> 44:21.300] Yeah.
[44:21.300 --> 44:25.300] What a better way to prepare yourself for survivor a game that you also have to build as it flies.
[44:25.300 --> 44:26.300] A hundred percent.
[44:26.300 --> 44:31.300] I'm very much someone who takes what's in front of me by the horns and with grace and
[44:31.300 --> 44:33.300] a smile on my face and succeeds.
[44:33.300 --> 44:36.300] Like everything I've ever wanted in life, I've succeeded.
[44:36.300 --> 44:40.300] Maybe some bumps in the road, but you know, I just tumble through them.
[44:40.300 --> 44:41.300] I keep them moving.
[44:41.300 --> 44:46.300] Well, let's talk about your newfound success to be in the next 26 days.
[44:46.300 --> 44:47.300] Thank you.
[44:47.300 --> 44:49.300] And what brought you out onto the island from the salon?
[44:49.300 --> 44:56.300] From the salon to the island, honestly, I was watching survivor and Russell was in charge of
[44:56.300 --> 44:57.300] his tribe at the time.
[44:57.300 --> 45:00.300] And I was just like, I could do this better.
[45:00.300 --> 45:03.300] Like, I think this tribe needs better leadership.
[45:03.300 --> 45:05.300] Like he's kind of a bully.
[45:05.300 --> 45:09.300] And so I told my fiance, I was like, I'm thinking about applying for survivor.
[45:09.300 --> 45:11.300] I was like, you're literally born and bred and built for this.
[45:11.300 --> 45:13.300] You should definitely do that.
[45:13.300 --> 45:16.300] So have you been applying since those like salad Russell hands days?
[45:16.300 --> 45:17.300] No, I applied one time.
[45:17.300 --> 45:18.300] Wow.
[45:18.300 --> 45:19.300] So what?
[45:19.300 --> 45:20.300] One shot.
[45:20.300 --> 45:22.300] So what took that long for you to finally say, okay, I'm going to do this.
[45:22.300 --> 45:26.300] Well, I only found survivor during the pandemic.
[45:26.300 --> 45:31.300] Oh, I'm a new survivor fan baby, but I devoured it all.
[45:31.300 --> 45:32.300] It's funny.
[45:32.300 --> 45:36.300] During the pandemic, my psychic lived in my apartment building and I needed a role of toilet paper.
[45:36.300 --> 45:39.300] So I went to her apartment to get a role of toilet paper.
[45:39.300 --> 45:40.300] And she had survivor on.
[45:40.300 --> 45:41.300] She's a super fan.
[45:41.300 --> 45:42.300] And I was like, what is this?
[45:42.300 --> 45:43.300] And she was like survivor.
[45:43.300 --> 45:46.300] And I had already watched her everything on TV.
[45:46.300 --> 45:49.300] So I was like, sure, I'll watch a 40 season TV show.
[45:49.300 --> 45:51.300] I devoured it.
[45:51.300 --> 45:52.300] I got obsessed with it.
[45:52.300 --> 45:57.300] I got obsessed with the game, obsessed with the human connections and breaking those connections
[45:57.300 --> 45:59.300] and the backstabbing and the friendships.
[45:59.300 --> 46:02.300] Like it's all just so, you know, we all love it.
[46:02.300 --> 46:03.300] It's magical.
[46:03.300 --> 46:04.300] There's nothing else like it in the world.
[46:04.300 --> 46:08.300] So what you don't know is that your psychic had that on knowing they could come down.
[46:08.300 --> 46:09.300] Right.
[46:09.300 --> 46:10.300] You can become on the show.
[46:10.300 --> 46:15.300] She had her crystal ball out before I came to get the toilet paper like Kenzie needs to,
[46:15.300 --> 46:16.300] the premonition.
[46:16.300 --> 46:17.300] It's coming to me.
[46:17.300 --> 46:18.300] Exactly.
[46:18.300 --> 46:21.300] So what made, you know, your fiance feel like you were bored and bred for this?
[46:21.300 --> 46:25.300] What's your skill set that you feel like you're bringing to my table and the one on the beach?
[46:25.300 --> 46:28.300] Well, my skill set is to be a hairstylist.
[46:28.300 --> 46:30.300] You have to be socially savvy.
[46:30.300 --> 46:31.300] Yeah.
[46:31.300 --> 46:33.300] To be a business owner, especially a young woman.
[46:33.300 --> 46:37.860] You have to be socially savvy, not only with like the people who work for me, but to earn
[46:37.860 --> 46:43.500] my seat at the table with other entrepreneurs and other business people in my city, you know.
[46:43.500 --> 46:47.300] It doesn't come easy, especially to someone that's heavily tattooed, someone young, a woman.
[46:47.300 --> 46:53.300] Like I really have had to navigate my way through earning respect and I do it with a smile on
[46:53.300 --> 46:55.660] my face and I love that.
[46:55.660 --> 46:59.300] On top of that, I am very smart, but it doesn't come across that way.
[46:59.300 --> 47:01.460] I know I come across like an airhead.
[47:01.460 --> 47:07.460] It's all a part of the plan, the divine overarching plan of my game here.
[47:07.460 --> 47:09.460] Yeah, the psychic in the apartment.
[47:09.460 --> 47:11.460] So he was like, you're smart, you're funny.
[47:11.460 --> 47:14.460] Like people love you, you can do this.
[47:14.460 --> 47:21.460] He has been my number one sport since I even had the like wine night idea to apply.
[47:21.460 --> 47:22.460] That is incredible.
[47:22.460 --> 47:26.460] So the question is, we just saw a hairstylist win.
[47:26.460 --> 47:27.460] I know.
[47:27.460 --> 47:29.460] So how are you putting up a game?
[47:29.460 --> 47:34.460] You know, I'm really just going to navigate it the same way I would have if I didn't
[47:34.460 --> 47:35.460] see him win.
[47:35.460 --> 47:37.460] Like I am going to just play my game.
[47:37.460 --> 47:44.460] And yeah, it kind of sucks that that just happened, but a good player can get through
[47:44.460 --> 47:47.460] anything and jam jam winning, sure.
[47:47.460 --> 47:50.460] Bad timing for me, but I can't change that.
[47:50.460 --> 47:55.460] I'm not going to change my game that I've been playing my entire life to navigate this
[47:55.460 --> 47:58.460] bump in the road, which I feel like will help me in the game.
[47:58.460 --> 48:01.460] Like you can have a plan, something's going to mess it up.
[48:01.460 --> 48:05.460] You know, sometimes you got to change it, but right now my gut is telling me to just play
[48:05.460 --> 48:08.460] the same way I would have if we wouldn't have watched jam jam win.
[48:08.460 --> 48:13.460] From your recent, you know, diving into the seasons, give me one winner and one non-winner
[48:13.460 --> 48:15.460] that you identify with the most.
[48:15.460 --> 48:19.460] Okay, non-winner, I identify with Carolyn 100%.
[48:19.460 --> 48:21.460] Yeah, love her obviously.
[48:21.460 --> 48:27.460] I think I have a little more, but, you know, she's weird, she's authentic, she's
[48:27.460 --> 48:28.460] herself.
[48:28.460 --> 48:31.460] Like I am very much that and love myself.
[48:31.460 --> 48:33.460] I've been through a lot.
[48:33.460 --> 48:34.460] Like I saw her.
[48:34.460 --> 48:38.460] I literally cried over how much I loved her and felt seen by her.
[48:38.460 --> 48:41.460] A non-winner I really liked.
[48:41.460 --> 48:44.460] I really liked Cassidy from 43.
[48:44.460 --> 48:46.460] I thought she was really cool.
[48:46.460 --> 48:52.460] I don't know if I want to be her friend or if I like your gameplay, probably both.
[48:52.460 --> 48:55.460] I really liked Amanda Kimmel.
[48:56.460 --> 48:59.460] Yeah, I love her.
[48:59.460 --> 49:02.460] I feel like she could have won if things were gone differently.
[49:02.460 --> 49:03.460] I think she had a good social game.
[49:03.460 --> 49:04.460] Love her.
[49:04.460 --> 49:06.460] Like Andrea Law.
[49:06.460 --> 49:08.460] I think she was good.
[49:08.460 --> 49:12.460] There's a lot of non-winner women that I like.
[49:12.460 --> 49:13.460] Yeah.
[49:13.460 --> 49:15.460] So you talked about perception beforehand.
[49:15.460 --> 49:18.460] I mean, do you think that people are really going to look at you and make those
[49:18.460 --> 49:21.460] assumptions that have been made about you previously in your life?
[49:22.460 --> 49:23.460] Probably.
[49:23.460 --> 49:25.460] I mean, we as a society like to look at decorated things.
[49:25.460 --> 49:26.460] We like Christmas trees.
[49:26.460 --> 49:28.460] We like the Sistine Chapel.
[49:28.460 --> 49:30.460] We like beautiful women with tattoos.
[49:30.460 --> 49:35.460] It's really the only shooting of spectacle.
[49:35.460 --> 49:36.460] Yeah.
[49:36.460 --> 49:37.460] You know, I'm right there.
[49:37.460 --> 49:38.460] Yeah, exactly.
[49:38.460 --> 49:39.460] The third corner of that triangle.
[49:39.460 --> 49:45.460] So yeah, people are going to look at me and I'm sure I'm one of the easiest ones to point out in the group.
[49:45.460 --> 49:46.460] Like the one with all the tattoos.
[49:46.460 --> 49:47.460] I know that.
[49:47.460 --> 49:48.460] I know what I look like.
[49:49.460 --> 49:51.460] I like what I look like.
[49:51.460 --> 49:52.460] I'm no fool to that.
[49:52.460 --> 49:59.460] So yeah, I'm sure people are going to perceive me as like probably a mixture of jam jam and carolin and think I'm really
[49:59.460 --> 50:00.460] dangerous.
[50:00.460 --> 50:01.460] And you know what?
[50:01.460 --> 50:02.460] I am.
[50:02.460 --> 50:04.460] So they're not wrong for thinking that.
[50:04.460 --> 50:07.460] But that's up to me to be like, no, I'm stupid.
[50:07.460 --> 50:09.460] Yeah, I guess like that's the question.
[50:09.460 --> 50:14.460] It's like, how are you going to try to subvert that steer away from that very dangerous curve?
[50:14.460 --> 50:17.460] I think I'm going to play up of being dumb a little bit.
[50:17.460 --> 50:22.460] And then I think I'm really just going to go for the hard connections to the point where people
[50:22.460 --> 50:23.460] don't want to get rid of me.
[50:23.460 --> 50:25.460] They're like, no, I can trust her.
[50:25.460 --> 50:26.460] I need her.
[50:26.460 --> 50:27.460] I am vulnerable.
[50:27.460 --> 50:31.460] Like I know she'll vote with me and like maybe they don't.
[50:31.460 --> 50:32.460] You know?
[50:32.460 --> 50:35.460] But I need them to believe that and I am good at making connections.
[50:35.460 --> 50:36.460] That's what I do in my job.
[50:36.460 --> 50:38.460] Like anyone can cut hair.
[50:38.460 --> 50:39.460] Trust me.
[50:39.460 --> 50:40.460] It's not that hard.
[50:40.460 --> 50:45.460] But it takes someone special to get someone to like feel comfortable and vulnerable and keep coming back to you.
[50:45.460 --> 50:48.460] Clients that have been coming back to me for over 10 years.
[50:48.460 --> 50:49.460] They keep coming back.
[50:49.460 --> 50:54.460] And that comes from me giving them a place to be vulnerable and safe and someone they like to be around.
[50:54.460 --> 50:56.460] I think that's important out here.
[50:56.460 --> 50:59.460] Like we're going to be starving and getting rained on and terrible.
[50:59.460 --> 51:01.460] Like we're going to need some morale.
[51:01.460 --> 51:02.460] Okay.
[51:02.460 --> 51:04.460] And I'm bringing morale.
[51:04.460 --> 51:05.460] Yeah.
[51:05.460 --> 51:10.460] What I found so interesting is the way Jam Jam voiced his like EQ in the final tribal council was this idea of like
[51:10.460 --> 51:14.460] the twinkle in the eye of when you're happy and then when you don't have that twinkle
[51:14.460 --> 51:15.460] I know that you're lying.
[51:15.460 --> 51:16.460] Is that something that you get as well?
[51:16.460 --> 51:17.460] Oh 100%.
[51:17.460 --> 51:21.460] From that like really personal contact job that your occupation depends on.
[51:21.460 --> 51:22.460] Oh yeah.
[51:22.460 --> 51:26.460] I know if from the moment someone walks in the door even if they're not my client.
[51:26.460 --> 51:27.460] If the vibe is different.
[51:27.460 --> 51:28.460] If something happened.
[51:28.460 --> 51:32.460] And I know if they're in a place where they want to talk about it or not.
[51:32.460 --> 51:35.460] And I know if I should bring the Kleenex over to the station or not.
[51:35.460 --> 51:36.460] Okay.
[51:36.460 --> 51:38.460] It's a vibe thing.
[51:38.460 --> 51:39.460] It's a liking.
[51:40.460 --> 51:45.460] It's a genuinely caring about like other people and their emotions and what they're going through thing.
[51:45.460 --> 51:46.460] And yeah.
[51:46.460 --> 51:51.460] In this game I'm going to have to use that in a way I don't normally use and use it against people.
[51:51.460 --> 51:52.460] And it is what it is.
[51:52.460 --> 51:56.460] I've come to terms in peace with that and I'm grateful to have that tool in my bell.
[51:56.460 --> 51:57.460] Yeah.
[51:57.460 --> 52:02.460] So when it comes to the other people do you value anything specific in a possible alliance member?
[52:02.460 --> 52:04.460] Are you looking for like a number one or ride or die?
[52:04.460 --> 52:06.460] I would love to find my lobster.
[52:07.460 --> 52:08.460] Yeah.
[52:08.460 --> 52:11.460] I would love to find my lobster.
[52:11.460 --> 52:12.460] I value.
[52:12.460 --> 52:13.460] The area will look as well.
[52:13.460 --> 52:15.460] So I think the model comparison makes sense.
[52:15.460 --> 52:16.460] Thank you.
[52:16.460 --> 52:17.460] Thank you.
[52:17.460 --> 52:18.460] You get it.
[52:18.460 --> 52:19.460] You get me.
[52:19.460 --> 52:20.460] So yeah.
[52:20.460 --> 52:21.460] I would love to find someone funny.
[52:21.460 --> 52:23.460] I want to like have a good time.
[52:23.460 --> 52:26.460] I think trust would be amazing to find.
[52:26.460 --> 52:30.460] I am open to it but I'm not banking on it.
[52:30.460 --> 52:35.460] I think it's a really hard thing to find out here from kind of like in the olden days.
[52:35.460 --> 52:37.460] I feel like you could find your ride or die and go to the end with them.
[52:37.460 --> 52:39.460] And you don't really see that much anymore.
[52:39.460 --> 52:43.460] You did with Jam Jam in Carolyn but like it's very rare like in the new era.
[52:43.460 --> 52:47.460] So I'm going with like a trust for today kind of person.
[52:47.460 --> 52:52.460] I have no problem like pulling a like Kim and like weaving between everyone.
[52:52.460 --> 52:54.460] Like I'm good with that.
[52:54.460 --> 52:57.460] So that being said, let's look at the possible competition.
[52:57.460 --> 52:59.460] It could be your lobster here.
[52:59.460 --> 53:00.460] I mean, let's go fishing.
[53:00.460 --> 53:03.460] Is there anyone that's giving you like good vibes right now?
[53:03.460 --> 53:07.460] Let's meet some people that if you show up on the beach with them on day one, you're like
[53:07.460 --> 53:08.460] best case scenario.
[53:08.460 --> 53:09.460] Okay.
[53:09.460 --> 53:10.460] Cool.
[53:10.460 --> 53:11.460] The guy with the beard.
[53:11.460 --> 53:13.460] We've been giving each other the brows.
[53:13.460 --> 53:15.460] I feel like I'm getting a good vibe there.
[53:15.460 --> 53:17.460] No, we're talking the brows like popping a brow.
[53:17.460 --> 53:18.460] Yeah.
[53:18.460 --> 53:19.460] Like popping the brow.
[53:19.460 --> 53:22.460] I saw him skipping after an interview.
[53:22.460 --> 53:23.460] Loved it.
[53:23.460 --> 53:24.460] It was like that.
[53:24.460 --> 53:25.460] My guy.
[53:25.460 --> 53:27.460] A man skipping.
[53:27.460 --> 53:29.460] Loved it.
[53:29.460 --> 53:30.460] So yeah.
[53:30.460 --> 53:32.460] I would love to like figure that out.
[53:33.460 --> 53:36.460] The girl with the curly red hair.
[53:36.460 --> 53:37.460] She's cute.
[53:37.460 --> 53:39.460] I just like her hair, I think.
[53:39.460 --> 53:42.460] And that's I'm imagining like from an occupation.
[53:42.460 --> 53:43.460] I'm literally judging everyone.
[53:43.460 --> 53:44.460] I'm literally judging everyone.
[53:44.460 --> 53:45.460] It's cool.
[53:45.460 --> 53:46.460] Yeah.
[53:46.460 --> 53:47.460] Love her hair.
[53:47.460 --> 53:48.460] Split ends can't work with you.
[53:48.460 --> 53:49.460] Yeah.
[53:49.460 --> 53:51.460] You know, we didn't get a haircut before we went on TV.
[53:51.460 --> 53:52.460] What happened here?
[53:52.460 --> 53:54.460] No, everyone's hair is actually in pretty good shape.
[53:54.460 --> 53:57.460] I must say, we are a beautiful cast.
[53:57.460 --> 53:58.460] Like everyone is hot.
[53:58.460 --> 54:00.460] So I'm like, cool.
[54:00.460 --> 54:01.460] Fitting right in.
[54:02.460 --> 54:03.460] So then let's talk about the other side.
[54:03.460 --> 54:04.460] Yeah.
[54:04.460 --> 54:06.460] Who's not vibing with you right now?
[54:06.460 --> 54:10.460] You know, I'm really trying to not invest my energy in that thought because I know people
[54:10.460 --> 54:19.140] are nervous and I know not everyone is going to be like, you know, okay, I'm just trying
[54:19.140 --> 54:20.620] not to play judgment.
[54:20.620 --> 54:26.460] But if I was, here's the T. The woman who's like older with the dark hair.
[54:26.460 --> 54:30.460] She's tan with the like, I'm sorry, with the black hair.
[54:30.460 --> 54:33.460] Has not smiled at me one time.
[54:33.460 --> 54:34.460] Interesting.
[54:34.460 --> 54:35.460] Not once.
[54:35.460 --> 54:36.460] And I've tried.
[54:36.460 --> 54:37.460] I've tried.
[54:37.460 --> 54:41.460] So I'm hoping she's just like missing her kids or something.
[54:41.460 --> 54:42.460] I don't know.
[54:42.460 --> 54:45.460] And then there's one guy with like a shaved head who's tan.
[54:45.460 --> 54:46.460] Mm hmm.
[54:46.460 --> 54:47.460] Not, not a smileer.
[54:47.460 --> 54:48.460] Interesting.
[54:48.460 --> 54:49.460] And I value that in a person.
[54:49.460 --> 54:54.460] So like we're not just like smiling because Jeff Brooks walked by like that fucking weird.
[54:54.460 --> 54:58.460] What would you say is your biggest superpower that applies to this game?
[54:58.460 --> 55:05.460] I would say my ability to like make people feel vulnerable and to be vulnerable with other
[55:05.460 --> 55:06.460] people.
[55:06.460 --> 55:11.460] I think that goes so deep, especially now, like the new era.
[55:11.460 --> 55:14.460] People and human connection is really important.
[55:14.460 --> 55:15.460] It's so fast.
[55:15.460 --> 55:17.460] There's not a ton of like time.
[55:17.460 --> 55:21.460] So you have to put those connections on super speed and I live my life fast.
[55:21.460 --> 55:22.460] Like I do everything fast.
[55:22.460 --> 55:26.460] I move my fiance in after two weeks of dating.
[55:26.460 --> 55:27.460] Okay.
[55:27.460 --> 55:28.460] Fast, fast, fast.
[55:28.460 --> 55:29.460] I can get.
[55:29.460 --> 55:30.460] Where are you the one to ask her?
[55:30.460 --> 55:31.460] Was he like, I'm coming in.
[55:31.460 --> 55:32.460] He just never left.
[55:32.460 --> 55:35.460] And I was like, you live here now.
[55:35.460 --> 55:37.460] And I should put your name on the lease so you can get a pool pass.
[55:37.460 --> 55:39.460] And he was like, okay.
[55:39.460 --> 55:40.460] So yeah.
[55:40.460 --> 55:41.460] I just live my life fast.
[55:41.460 --> 55:42.460] So yeah, I guess it was me.
[55:42.460 --> 55:43.460] No.
[55:43.460 --> 55:44.460] I mean, that's a new era attitude.
[55:44.460 --> 55:45.460] Yeah.
[55:45.460 --> 55:47.460] Like you're well equipped for that just mile a minute.
[55:47.460 --> 55:50.460] Name's going to be changing right up until tribal mindset.
[55:50.460 --> 55:51.460] Yeah.
[55:51.460 --> 55:52.460] Yeah.
[55:52.460 --> 55:53.460] I'm fine with that.
[55:53.460 --> 55:54.460] And like I said, I applied one time and got it.
[55:54.460 --> 55:55.460] Like I'm a fast girl.
[55:55.460 --> 55:57.460] It makes something.
[55:57.460 --> 55:58.460] I get it.
[55:58.460 --> 55:59.460] As quick as humanly possible.
[55:59.460 --> 56:01.460] So, so let me go.
[56:01.460 --> 56:02.460] Let me throw out a scenario for you.
[56:02.460 --> 56:03.460] Okay.
[56:03.460 --> 56:05.460] So let's say, first couple days on the beach abote pulls up guys
[56:05.460 --> 56:06.460] there.
[56:06.460 --> 56:07.460] You know what's happening.
[56:07.460 --> 56:09.460] He has a note, picks up one person to go on a journey from your
[56:09.460 --> 56:10.460] tribe.
[56:10.460 --> 56:11.460] Yeah.
[56:11.460 --> 56:12.460] To that point.
[56:12.460 --> 56:13.460] All right.
[56:13.460 --> 56:14.460] Are you rushing on that boat?
[56:14.460 --> 56:15.460] Are you trying house on that path?
[56:15.460 --> 56:18.460] You know, I think the first journey no but I would go for the
[56:18.460 --> 56:19.460] second one.
[56:19.460 --> 56:23.460] For sure.
[56:23.460 --> 56:25.780] in this season where I'm like, pick the shortest one.
[56:25.780 --> 56:26.700] They'll be looking at the rocks.
[56:26.700 --> 56:27.540] They won't notice the sticks.
[56:27.540 --> 56:29.220] Yeah, I'm like, we're switching it out.
[56:29.220 --> 56:30.460] But I thought it was brilliant.
[56:30.460 --> 56:32.520] Yeah, I would definitely volunteer to do something like that.
[56:32.520 --> 56:33.740] Like, we're here to play Survivor.
[56:33.740 --> 56:34.940] I'm not here to walk.
[56:34.940 --> 56:36.660] It's like, I'm not sitting on my couch anymore.
[56:36.660 --> 56:40.060] I'm in it, and I don't want to go home thinking
[56:40.060 --> 56:41.060] I could have done something.
[56:41.060 --> 56:42.340] So I'm doing everything.
[56:42.340 --> 56:44.340] Like, we're doing it all.
[56:44.340 --> 56:46.240] So how do advantages incorporate into that?
[56:46.240 --> 56:48.220] Because we found out of the new era, it's a blessing.
[56:48.220 --> 56:50.420] It's a curse, but are you hungry for them?
[56:50.420 --> 56:51.060] Yeah, yeah.
[56:51.060 --> 56:52.940] I'll be searching for sure.
[56:52.940 --> 56:58.260] I'm definitely going to do my best to not tell anybody.
[56:58.260 --> 57:01.420] I would love to keep it secret, but I have the gift of gab.
[57:01.420 --> 57:02.940] I am a blabber mouth.
[57:02.940 --> 57:04.500] I am a big mouth.
[57:04.500 --> 57:06.500] So I'm really trying to lock it up.
[57:06.500 --> 57:09.700] This season, like, keep it together,
[57:09.700 --> 57:13.020] hoping I surprise myself by keeping it secret and using it
[57:13.020 --> 57:16.420] for me or, like, surprising my lobster.
[57:16.420 --> 57:16.900] Yeah.
[57:16.900 --> 57:19.620] Is this something you've tried to, like, prep yourself for ahead
[57:19.620 --> 57:19.940] of time?
[57:19.940 --> 57:22.300] I was like, tell me a secret, and I'll try to keep it for two
[57:22.300 --> 57:23.300] weeks.
[57:23.300 --> 57:24.300] Suck at it.
[57:24.300 --> 57:25.300] I suck so bad.
[57:25.300 --> 57:26.300] Oh, no.
[57:26.300 --> 57:28.460] I mean, I guess the good thing is authenticity cuts both ways.
[57:28.460 --> 57:31.220] Like, if people know that about it, then it helps.
[57:31.220 --> 57:32.220] Yeah.
[57:32.220 --> 57:36.500] I really, when I am telling us, when I have a secret to tell,
[57:36.500 --> 57:38.460] I literally, like, do this with my body.
[57:38.460 --> 57:39.460] And I'm like, oh!
[57:39.460 --> 57:42.420] You're like Kristen Wigg in this episode of Scratch.
[57:42.420 --> 57:43.420] I know.
[57:43.420 --> 57:44.420] It's bad.
[57:44.420 --> 57:48.060] But I have been actively grounding, working on grounding.
[57:48.060 --> 57:49.700] And this is, like, my game.
[57:49.700 --> 57:54.020] I'm not going to mess it up by my big mouth, OK?
[57:54.020 --> 57:55.020] We're playing.
[57:55.020 --> 57:56.020] This is not regular life.
[57:56.020 --> 57:57.020] This is Survivor.
[57:57.020 --> 57:59.460] What have you been doing in preparation for this?
[57:59.460 --> 58:00.460] In preparation?
[58:00.460 --> 58:01.460] Well, I got a tanning membership.
[58:01.460 --> 58:02.460] What?
[58:02.460 --> 58:05.460] You're about to go out here.
[58:05.460 --> 58:07.860] This is where he's excited to tanning.
[58:07.860 --> 58:08.860] Yeah.
[58:08.860 --> 58:09.860] No.
[58:09.860 --> 58:10.860] Because I'm pale.
[58:10.860 --> 58:11.860] I had to get a base.
[58:11.860 --> 58:12.860] Listen.
[58:12.860 --> 58:13.860] It's a failed pale appearance.
[58:13.860 --> 58:14.860] Yeah.
[58:14.860 --> 58:15.860] You get it.
[58:15.860 --> 58:16.860] It's validating it.
[58:16.860 --> 58:17.860] This is my base, OK.
[58:17.860 --> 58:18.860] I would have read really bad without it.
[58:19.340 --> 58:20.340] I've been hitting the gym.
[58:20.340 --> 58:21.340] I've been swimming.
[58:21.340 --> 58:25.100] I went to the American Ninja Warrior Gym, doing a ton of puzzles, watching a ton of
[58:25.100 --> 58:31.900] survivor, journaling, grounding, meditating, basically anything I can think of.
[58:31.900 --> 58:38.220] I've been fasting, been hitting all everything I can, physical, spiritual, mental, studying
[58:38.220 --> 58:39.220] the game.
[58:39.220 --> 58:42.100] Talk to me about that spiritual thing, because I feel like it's something that's been focused
[58:42.100 --> 58:45.940] on more in the new era, but I feel like maybe it's just the journey it's a society we've
[58:45.940 --> 58:46.940] had with mental health.
[58:46.940 --> 58:52.740] But it's so interesting to have that become, to your point, now, a necessary part of prepping
[58:52.740 --> 58:57.300] for this game is that things are so stressful, and your second, third, fourth guessing yourself
[58:57.300 --> 59:01.700] that you need to have that ability to ground yourself to the sand that you're a part of.
[59:01.700 --> 59:02.700] Yeah.
[59:02.700 --> 59:03.700] Yeah.
[59:03.700 --> 59:07.460] It's really interesting because I'm not a super spiritual person in general.
[59:07.460 --> 59:12.980] I'm very much like, well, I guess I can be, but it's not my bread and butter.
[59:12.980 --> 59:21.400] So I'm working harder to get more in touch with myself and who I am underneath the funny
[59:21.400 --> 59:22.940] girl thing.
[59:22.940 --> 59:28.180] So I had my first interview and I just cried the whole time and I was like, what is happening?
[59:28.180 --> 59:29.500] This is never me.
[59:29.500 --> 59:33.540] This is not what I generally do, but I am funny.
[59:33.540 --> 59:39.540] I am a showman all the time, but this journey of survivor is just mine.
[59:39.540 --> 59:42.860] I do so much stuff for other people with the salon, with my family.
[59:42.860 --> 59:47.700] I'm constantly doing stuff for them, but survivor, this is just my 26 days where I get to just
[59:47.700 --> 59:48.700] have my moment.
[59:48.700 --> 59:49.700] I know.
[59:49.700 --> 59:51.660] I could cry again.
[59:51.660 --> 59:57.460] And it's really special and I'm just grateful to be here and to learn about myself and push
[59:57.460 --> 59:58.460] myself.
[59:58.460 --> 59:59.460] Yeah.
[59:59.460 --> 01:00:00.460] No, that's beautiful.
[01:00:00] Yeah.
[01:00:01] It's an amazing attitude to walk in with.
[01:00:02] Yeah.
[01:00:03] Million dollars would be nice.
[01:00:04] Yeah.
[01:00:05] A personal fulfillment and being able to experience yourself in a way that you never went before
[01:00:09] is icing on that cake that you won't be able to eat for 26 days.
[01:00:13] I know exactly.
[01:00:15] So talk to me about decision making.
[01:00:17] Okay.
[01:00:18] As a business owner, it's tantamount to your success.
[01:00:20] Yes.
[01:00:21] But when you do it in your real life, are you someone who like maps out what you're doing?
[01:00:25] Are you someone that just goes by your gut?
[01:00:27] How do you usually incorporate what you're thinking into your decisions?
[01:00:30] I am definitely a gut person, but I am open to like hearing others' opinions.
[01:00:37] My fiance owns a business right next door to mine.
[01:00:39] He owns a photo studio.
[01:00:40] So we have the same like landlords and deal with the same vendors and stuff like that.
[01:00:44] So I will just be like, no, we should do this.
[01:00:46] And he's like, well, what about this, this and that?
[01:00:48] And sometimes my gut is right.
[01:00:49] And sometimes his more analytical mind is right.
[01:00:52] So if I can find someone like that out here who's got more of an analytical mind, that
[01:00:56] I can like bounce my gut off of like that is ideal because I am a like supply by the seat
[01:01:02] of my pants.
[01:01:03] Like we're doing this.
[01:01:04] Let's go kind of girly.
[01:01:05] Is there a decision that's been made on Survivor that you've watched that you like?
[01:01:09] Got yourself out of your seat to be like, what are you doing?
[01:01:11] Why would you do that?
[01:01:12] I never do that.
[01:01:13] I'm thinking about like last season.
[01:01:19] Let me think.
[01:01:22] Wow, there's a lot of things I probably wouldn't do.
[01:01:29] But you know, Danny like bossing Heidi around really hit me deep.
[01:01:34] I was like, why is he talking to her like that?
[01:01:36] Like that is not an efficient way to communicate.
[01:01:38] But sometimes it is because Boston Rob did it and it worked.
[01:01:41] And then I guess it kind of worked because the vote went the way Danny wanted, but it
[01:01:44] didn't work for him long term because no one wants to work with someone like that.
[01:01:47] Yeah, personality type that you're just going to be like, no, too.
[01:01:51] That's a person.
[01:01:52] No, I never am a flat no girly, but it's definitely a like, what if they weren't here?
[01:01:56] Wouldn't that be fun?
[01:02:01] What would you say is your hottest survivor take?
[01:02:05] My hottest survivor take, I don't know if it's that hot, but this is one that I have argued
[01:02:09] about on the internet.
[01:02:11] So I like the wokeness.
[01:02:13] I think it's here to stay.
[01:02:15] And I'm sorry if there are like people at home on the couch that won't watch anymore because
[01:02:19] Jeff doesn't say guys like they can kiss my ass as far as I'm concerned because the world
[01:02:24] is changing, the nation is changing in a way that I am stoked to represent, stoked to
[01:02:31] be a part of and I want it to catch like faster, like wildfire, like I'm here for the wokeness.
[01:02:36] Okay, like I love the diversity, I love the representation, like I want it to stick around.
[01:02:41] Amen.
[01:02:42] And I can also imagine from your own perspective, you deal with so many different people, so
[01:02:45] many different walks of life, like you see what this nation is capable of and what can
[01:02:50] be represented on the screen.
[01:02:51] Yeah, yeah, I mean it's survivor is a microcosm of life, like we've been saying that for 20
[01:02:57] years, you know, I've been saying it for three, but the collective, I'm a part of it now.
[01:03:03] Okay, it's a microcosm of life, so why not reflect that on such a big platform, like give
[01:03:08] some people who haven't always had a voice, a voice and a platform to get their stories
[01:03:14] out there, like that's beautiful, like it's been a white man's club for way too long,
[01:03:20] you know, like no offense.
[01:03:21] Not take it.
[01:03:22] Yeah, we got to.
[01:03:23] I'm here for the wokeness, I love it, like I'm here for the girls, the gays, the vase,
[01:03:35] like I'm here for the black, I'm here for everything in between, so yeah.
[01:03:40] To finish things off, give me a fictional character or a celebrity that you would want
[01:03:45] to bring out for a loved one's visit.
[01:03:48] Oh, okay, a loved one's visit.
[01:03:51] Okay, I'm going to bring out, it's a really, really hard, can I bring two, can I please
[01:04:00] bring two?
[01:04:01] Okay, the host of catfish, Nev Schulman.
[01:04:03] I have only a million guesses, I don't think I was going to go with Nev Schulman.
[01:04:09] Oh, you're wrong, or Detective Elliot Stabler from Law and Order SVU.
[01:04:15] Okay.
[01:04:16] A little Chris for Maloney.
[01:04:18] I was going to say, now would it be Chris for Maloney or specifically Stabler?
[01:04:24] I would take either, well I'm not picky when it comes to the things, but I would love a
[01:04:28] Stabler moment.
[01:04:29] Yeah, I mean he can definitely assess, like, look at people tell you who's lying, who's
[01:04:34] got something that they're withholding.
[01:04:35] He would be strong.
[01:04:36] Yeah.
[01:04:37] Yeah, actually Nev would do a pretty good job with that.
[01:04:39] I know he can run, see, it's my practice, it's more so you're like, like, the star worship
[01:04:44] but also actively recruiting them.
[01:04:45] Yeah, I'm not though.
[01:04:47] You're a business owner for a reason.
[01:04:49] He looked dumb, big smart, big friend.
[01:04:51] Well, what are you feeling right now?
[01:04:53] You know, we are shaking up the ingredients right now.
[01:04:56] What's like the cocktail before we pour things out on the beach in a long time?
[01:05:00] You know, it's a little bit of everything.
[01:05:02] I had my good cry out, I've had a good cry in the shower, I've gotten my good cries out
[01:05:07] and now I'm just excited, I'm ready, I feel very prepared, as prepared as you can be.
[01:05:13] I'm surprisingly a lot more zen than I thought I would be.
[01:05:16] I don't know if it's the like, meditating, not talking for days thing, but...
[01:05:20] You went into like a monk-like vow of silence.
[01:05:23] Yes, yes.
[01:05:24] So I'm feeling very zen.
[01:05:25] I'm just ready.
[01:05:27] I feel like I have my dancing shoes on and I'm waiting for the club to open.
[01:05:30] Like, I'm just ready to go at this point.
[01:05:32] Like, I'm just ready to party.
[01:05:34] Well, we'll hit the sand and we'll start dancing a little bit.
[01:05:36] Yes, I can wait.
[01:05:37] This was an absolute delight.
[01:05:38] Thank you.
[01:05:39] This was so much fun to get to talk with you and get to know you.
[01:05:41] Yeah.
[01:05:42] Well, we'll laugh, we'll cry alongside you for the next hour many days.
[01:05:46] Yes, 26.
[01:05:47] 26 specifically, but this is so fantastic to do.
[01:05:50] Thank you so much.
[01:05:51] Thank you.
[01:05:52] You know, everything in anticipation too, and especially once the club opens and...
[01:05:55] You hit it, you hit it, 26 hours, don't stop dancing fun.
[01:06:00] Giddy up, baby, let's go.
[01:06:01] All right, everybody, there you go.
[01:06:03] Great job, Mike, with Kenzie.
[01:06:05] Yeah, I really enjoyed this.
[01:06:07] She was just...
[01:06:08] Now, I would say she's the sunshine of the cast, but there is one other person on this
[01:06:12] cast that honestly, we might have like a battle of the solar titans going on in this
[01:06:16] season.
[01:06:17] I'm excited to talk about her, but Kenzie, as soon as you talk with her, in my opinion,
[01:06:21] at least, from getting to sit down with her, you understand why she's been so successful
[01:06:25] at her business, because she just has that natural ambulance about her.
[01:06:28] Sure, Mike, one note for you.
[01:06:31] Really wish you would have followed up on the psychic.
[01:06:34] She mentioned that, oh, yeah, I went to my psychic to get a toilet paper, and then she was
[01:06:41] watching Survivor.
[01:06:42] No follow-up on, what did the psychic say on how you're going to do?
[01:06:46] Well, it's because she knew that I'd ask about that, and so I want to keep her guessing,
[01:06:50] right?
[01:06:51] Is that the wildest survivor origin story you've ever heard of?
[01:06:53] I was going to get toilet paper from my psychic who happened to have Survivor on, and I said,
[01:06:59] oh, that...
[01:07:00] But you know what?
[01:07:01] Isn't that crazy?
[01:07:02] The psychic had the show on that she was going to go beyond, like, this is your future,
[01:07:06] Kenzie.
[01:07:07] Yeah, that's exactly what I called out, too.
[01:07:10] It's absolutely wild.
[01:07:11] I think that proves that psychic's my hero.
[01:07:13] She knew.
[01:07:14] Also, psychic saw COVID coming, stocked up on the toilet paper.
[01:07:18] She's good.
[01:07:19] They should have told us.
[01:07:20] Why did they tell us?
[01:07:21] She's good.
[01:07:22] This isn't the watcher psychic of Kenzie, okay?
[01:07:24] Wow.
[01:07:25] Okay.
[01:07:26] You can intervene.
[01:07:27] I mean, as she did by putting Survivor on in the background, I mean, if Kenzie goes on
[01:07:31] to win the million dollars, like, how much toilet paper is she buying for that psychic?
[01:07:34] A lot.
[01:07:35] A lot.
[01:07:36] Oh, she might be sitting on a stockpile, a hoarder.
[01:07:39] All right.
[01:07:40] So, yeah, Mike, I was pretty impressed with Kenzie overall.
[01:07:43] Like, I think that something that came up between you and her about this idea of, like,
[01:07:50] if Jam, Jam and Carolyn had a baby, no, it's not Carson, maybe it's Kenzie.
[01:07:55] Yeah, because I think that Kenzie obviously has that Carolyn look to her.
[01:08:00] And I think, well, perhaps a bit more of like that smiley, cheery personality than Carolyn
[01:08:05] was in her, you know, most fun moments on the island.
[01:08:08] I do think that she has a bit of that offbeat look to her, but again, you look at the vocation,
[01:08:13] you especially look at those social skills and like, that is Jam, Jam to a tee.
[01:08:18] I just had so much fun talking with her.
[01:08:21] And I mean, I mentioned this in my interview, Rob, what do you think?
[01:08:25] Do you believe that people will look at her?
[01:08:28] She has no plans to lie about her vocation from what it seems like in my interview.
[01:08:31] Do you think people are going to look at her and say, Hey, we just saw a hairdresser win
[01:08:35] like two weeks ago?
[01:08:36] Are we going to have to lie and say like, Hey, Kenzie, when you go out on survivor, don't
[01:08:41] sell them your hairdressers, say you're a lawyer, then that'll be, that'll be better.
[01:08:47] Like, what come on?
[01:08:48] What are we going to do?
[01:08:49] Because Jam, Jam one survivor, every single person that one survivor, like, yeah, I mean,
[01:08:52] I know that Shannon Gus is very much like anti lying about your job unless it's like
[01:08:56] extenuating circumstances.
[01:08:57] And Kenzie expresses the same thing of like, listen, I'm going to play the way I always was going
[01:09:02] to play.
[01:09:03] It doesn't matter to me.
[01:09:04] Yeah, I would say I think it's fine that I'm a hairdresser, maybe I maybe I would not
[01:09:08] say I own my own salon.
[01:09:10] I think I would I would probably hide that.
[01:09:13] I work at a salon and I don't know if she didn't get into whether or not she would say
[01:09:17] if she was the owner of said salon.
[01:09:20] Yeah.
[01:09:21] I agree that I think certainly those leadership aspects, I mean, Kenzie is someone that is
[01:09:26] very much saying, I know how I look.
[01:09:28] I get underestimated day to day in my life as a woman, as a young business woman, as like
[01:09:33] a young entrepreneur.
[01:09:35] And so I'm just going to bring that same perception to the island.
[01:09:38] I feel like in this hyper visualize environment of survivor where people are just going to
[01:09:44] pour over personal details to try to pick out one thing of like, this is why you're threatening.
[01:09:49] Right.
[01:09:50] I could see how saying, Oh, I own my own salon might be like, Oh, okay, what skills does
[01:09:54] that require?
[01:09:55] Right.
[01:09:56] So I think that I would not necessarily say about owning the business.
[01:10:01] But yeah, all in all, I feel like that she has the social.
[01:10:05] She also has like the business savvy to be, you know, not a business, right?
[01:10:13] She seems to be like working on her challenge ability.
[01:10:18] She talked about going to the American Ninja Warrior gym, you know, other than some wacko
[01:10:24] picks for what famous people she'd want to have visit her.
[01:10:30] I mean, this is not the most wacko we've ever seen.
[01:10:33] It's just Neve Schulman and Detective Elliot Stabler.
[01:10:37] I mean, I work at Parene magazine.
[01:10:38] They post about the tape.
[01:10:39] You need somebody to catch a catfish, but not like this.
[01:10:43] Yeah.
[01:10:44] I mean, exactly.
[01:10:45] He knows.
[01:10:46] Just bring him in.
[01:10:47] He's the top top of the bushman of fishing, right?
[01:10:49] Yeah.
[01:10:50] So, yeah, overall, I did feel like that it was like, I thought a strong presence.
[01:10:59] So, you know, I think that's a great presentation from Kenzie.
[01:11:03] Yeah.
[01:11:04] I think her, she's bringing in the right skills from her vocation.
[01:11:06] When I ask her what her biggest superpower is in the game, she says her ability to make
[01:11:10] people feel vulnerable and to be vulnerable with other people.
[01:11:14] And I think that is so key.
[01:11:16] That's why, again, in my opinion, I always say that service jobs are the best types of jobs
[01:11:22] you can have going into survivor or at least having that experience because day after day,
[01:11:27] you are used to catering to egos and dealing with various personality types in order to
[01:11:31] get like a shared goal accomplished.
[01:11:34] And so I think that's Kenzie's MO.
[01:11:37] Every day she has to have somebody walk in and feel good in a way that by the time they
[01:11:40] leave her chair, they want to come back again.
[01:11:43] And I think especially in survivor where it's an environment that is going to air everyone's
[01:11:48] vulnerabilities at one point or another, I think Kenzie's openness and then her own perception
[01:11:54] as someone who can receive openness as well.
[01:11:57] Like I think there will probably be a physically stronger presence on this tribe from people
[01:12:02] like Bonu, from the other two that we're going to talk about.
[01:12:05] But I could see Kenzie as being like socially the safest person in this tribe.
[01:12:09] I could very much see a situation where people are like, I feel good about Kenzie.
[01:12:14] As she talked about, she wants to be seen as someone that they can say, I don't want
[01:12:17] to get rid of her because I feel like I can trust her.
[01:12:20] I'm sure she has a butterfly or two tattooed on her body amidst everything going on.
[01:12:24] And she is the social equivalent of that.
[01:12:27] I guess my one question if I was going to like look for anything here.
[01:12:32] In terms of like her alliances, her alliance making, you know, if she's not in the leadership
[01:12:38] position but is like used to being a leader in her business, like is she going to mesh
[01:12:45] well with maybe if she's not viewed as the top dog in this tribe?
[01:12:50] I don't know because yes, she is used to being in a leadership position.
[01:12:55] But as she mentions, she's also used to existing as a business owner who is a woman as well.
[01:13:02] And so she is used to being in certain environments where she is surrounded by other people, usually
[01:13:07] men who are also type A's who also have a sense of leadership.
[01:13:12] And she probably knows when to like speak up and when she needs to just cowtow to their
[01:13:16] egos and let them do the talking.
[01:13:19] And I can see the situation happening here.
[01:13:21] Again, if we have someone like Banyu saying like, okay, I have more experience on the
[01:13:25] island.
[01:13:26] This is how you cut open a coconut.
[01:13:27] I don't see Kenzie being like, no, actually, this is how you could open a coconut.
[01:13:30] My psychic told me how to do this.
[01:13:32] I could see her taking a step back and sort of realizing when she needs to put her voice
[01:13:38] in versus when she doesn't.
[01:13:39] I will also say on the note of Banyu.
[01:13:41] I know I spoke last time about like Banyu and Jielinsky perhaps being a bit of a power
[01:13:45] couple.
[01:13:46] I sort of didn't mention last time.
[01:13:47] Both of them love to dance, of course, Banyu, the son of a classical Indian dancer and loves
[01:13:53] to dance as well.
[01:13:54] Jielinsky wants to be the first person to moonwalk on the sand, which is audacious to say the
[01:13:59] least.
[01:14:00] But I really see Kenzie and Banyu vibing.
[01:14:03] You know, Kenzie says she's looking for her lobster, right?
[01:14:06] She's looking for someone funny.
[01:14:08] She's looking for someone that she can have a good time with.
[01:14:10] I think Jess could fit in that category as someone who, again, is not very self-serious.
[01:14:14] But I just think the vibes I got from Banyu and Kenzie were both so positive and so joyous
[01:14:21] that I could easily see them glom onto one another.
[01:14:24] But you know, us human beings are weird, Mike, are two people that you feel like are the same.
[01:14:31] Like sometimes it's like the opposites get drawn together.
[01:14:34] I don't know.
[01:14:35] Listen, I'm just running the high from clock in D and Austin last time in the preseason.
[01:14:38] So take all my predictions with a grain of salt, but I'm baking on that one correct guess
[01:14:43] I was able to make.
[01:14:44] I just think that if people are reading each other's energies and I get that from both of
[01:14:49] them, I think they very much are, especially when I asked about like who are you not getting
[01:14:52] great vibes from?
[01:14:53] They talk about the people that are a bit shadier.
[01:14:55] They want to vibe with more open people.
[01:14:58] I think these are two of the most open people on the tribe.
[01:15:00] Kenzie liked beard guy.
[01:15:02] Well, this is a different beard guy.
[01:15:04] Oh, okay.
[01:15:05] I guess you were there.
[01:15:07] It was that one.
[01:15:08] I know the other mysterious beer guy, MBG, but that beer guy was not skipping again.
[01:15:17] The thing about that about MBG is that like skipping beard guy.
[01:15:21] Yeah, skipping beer guy, I believe was Hunter.
[01:15:24] We will meet a little bit later on.
[01:15:26] So she does mention and we'll put this in our pocket.
[01:15:28] She doesn't mention anyone on her tribe, but in terms of good vibes, she picks up from
[01:15:32] Hunter and Mo and bad vibes.
[01:15:37] And that's interesting again to speak to what I talked about before, the bad vibe she was
[01:15:40] picking up on are like people who didn't smile at me.
[01:15:44] And those were Maria and Randin.
[01:15:48] And so I don't know if Kenzie meant to be a bit ageist towards like the upper echelon of
[01:15:55] her cast.
[01:15:56] But again, I think that speaks to her.
[01:15:57] She's seeking that lobster.
[01:15:59] She's seeking those like-minded, positive, good vibes people.
[01:16:04] And the people that are coming to her a bit more sober and serious are not the ones that
[01:16:09] she wants to necessarily invest in first and foremost.
[01:16:11] All right.
[01:16:12] Mike, anything else you want to say about Jess or Kenzie here today?
[01:16:17] Well, I think that going to Kenzie as well, I think something that's also a bit similar
[01:16:22] to Carolyn.
[01:16:23] And again, I think she is offbeat.
[01:16:25] She is quirky like a Jess.
[01:16:26] And I think Kenzie with no offense suggests at least expressed to me in the interview a
[01:16:31] bit more of that game's been since, especially in her bio when she talked about how she's
[01:16:36] an absolute savage in Catan.
[01:16:39] I think that Carolyn comparison is very warranted of like, you might look at me and write me
[01:16:45] off like all the writing that's been done on my skin.
[01:16:48] But I actually am a pretty dang cutthroat.
[01:16:51] As opposed to maybe someone like Jess who's like, yeah, I really enjoy watching the show.
[01:16:56] I don't love when people are mean to each other.
[01:16:59] It seems like Kenzie is not necessarily thirsting for that.
[01:17:02] I love succession.
[01:17:03] Yes.
[01:17:04] Exactly.
[01:17:05] Like Jess, maybe that's the thing.
[01:17:07] Jess is saying that but at the same time, I don't know if she was rooting for anyone in
[01:17:11] particular in succession considering how morally repugnant all of those characters will were.
[01:17:16] And we'll see who will succeed at the end of the day.
[01:17:18] I think these two women are alike and very different from my perspective.
[01:17:23] And I think while Jess might have some problems early on with the potential to like cut a
[01:17:29] white swath in the game, should she make the merge, again, I might be jinxing it.
[01:17:34] But I think Kenzie is here to stay.
[01:17:36] I think she is really going to plant her roots died or not very early on on this tribe, make
[01:17:43] some very good connections.
[01:17:44] I don't think even if Janu somehow ends up going back to back to back to tribal, unless it's
[01:17:50] like a Sabaya situation where like all of a sudden she's gave me too hard and everyone
[01:17:54] turns on her, I don't really see her getting blindsided pre-merge.
[01:18:00] Things might change come the merge.
[01:18:02] I don't know if she'll be someone that everyone's going to look at, especially in a post Carolyn
[01:18:06] world and be like, we're not going to take her to the end of the game.
[01:18:11] Everyone likes her too much.
[01:18:12] But if she is able to slip through, I think she has a fair cut, if you will, at winning
[01:18:18] the prize here.
[01:18:19] I don't disagree.
[01:18:20] All right.
[01:18:21] Mike, what else is coming up on parade.com with this survivor 46 extravaganza?
[01:18:27] Well, I'm holding up quite the fun house mirror for this fun house cast.
[01:18:32] I am also putting out interviews two at a time at parade.com, but for the sake of variance,
[01:18:38] I started with a different tribe.
[01:18:41] So at this time, you should have found out four of the members of the Nami tribe, I believe
[01:18:46] as we're talking about Janu right now, we'll meet in the middle with Siga coming up after
[01:18:51] this.
[01:18:52] I'll put those out to a day over at parade, of course, as well as some like random other
[01:18:57] stuff that Mike come about in the preseason.
[01:18:59] And you can follow everything I'm doing on social media and on my cameo at a Mike Bloom
[01:19:04] type.
[01:19:05] All right.
[01:19:06] Well, great job once again, looking forward to tomorrow when we talk about the last two
[01:19:11] members of this tribe, which you've been teasing.
[01:19:14] Yes.
[01:19:14] So we've got Q and Tiffany.
[01:19:17] And again, I will keep saying very fun interviews.
[01:19:21] And I'm excited, Rob, because now that you'll get a formal sketch out of the first six members
[01:19:26] of this cast, I think then we'll be able to do a bit of prognosticating as to, okay, if
[01:19:31] and when Janu goes to tribal council, what is that going to look like?
[01:19:34] Okay.
[01:19:35] Well, looking forward to that, make sure you don't miss anything we're doing.
[01:19:38] And go to Rob as a website.com slash subscribe to subscribe to Rob as a podcast to our survivor
[01:19:43] only podcast feed and more.
[01:19:46] And then you can check out all of our interviews to see them to see the video.
[01:19:51] Okay, go to Rob as a website.com slash YouTube.
[01:19:53] Thank you so much for joining us.
[01:19:54] Take care of everybody.
[01:19:55] Have a good one.
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Rob Cesternino and Mike Bloom return with part 2 of 9 of the Survivor 46 cast preview, introducing you to Kenzie Petty and Jess Chong.