Today, Rob is joined by the fifth juror of Survivor 46.[00:00:01] It's a big week when RHAP is on the road in Chicago. Check out my live show from
[00:00:07] Chicago. That's going to be up on Thursday, Wednesday night. Shannon Guss is going to be
[00:00:12] live with you with Kelly Wentworth after Survivor and we previewed the Dandy finale
[00:00:18] with dealer know deal island host Joe Manganiello all right here on RHAP. We know reality TV.
[00:00:25] Hey, everybody. What's going on? Rob Cesternino. I'm on the road here in Chicago,
[00:00:30] the site of our biggest RHAP live show ever. And Wednesday night we had 950 people at the
[00:00:38] Athenaeum Theater. Really fun panel. Watch the episode. It was a good one to watch with the big
[00:00:45] crowd. But it was a quick turnaround here today for me to do this exit interview with
[00:00:50] the woman that we saw get voted out of Survivor in several of place. Venus is going to be joining
[00:00:58] us here in just a moment for the latest exit interview here, of course, Wednesday night.
[00:01:03] Thanks to Shannon Guss, who held it down on the postgame show with Kelly Wentworth. Check that
[00:01:08] out. Of course, we will be back tomorrow with Stephen Fishback for Survivor Know-It-All on
[00:01:15] Friday this week. And then I'll have the recording of the live show up later in the day on Thursday.
[00:01:21] So make sure you subscribe for all of that this week in Survivor history. Also coming up that I've
[00:01:26] got Zach Wurtenberger this week in Survivor history trivia with today. So lots of stuff.
[00:01:33] Make sure you're subscribed. Love to hear what you have to say in the comments. And let's bring in
[00:01:38] my exit interview with Venus. Venus, good morning. So nice to talk to you. Now, Venus,
[00:01:47] you didn't win the million dollars, but you may have won a million hearts. So congratulations for
[00:01:54] that, Venus. Thank you so much. It means so much coming from you. Okay, Venus. So what a ride it's
[00:02:02] been. I would love to get into some of this stuff. I would love to start with your conversation with
[00:02:08] Charlie when you were talking to him. Can you tell us from your perspective, what were you
[00:02:14] hoping that Charlie would take away from that conversation? I was very misguided in the moment.
[00:02:21] But what I was hoping was because we had a lot of conversations leading up to that one throughout
[00:02:28] the game. I was hoping that I was able to finally find someone I could trust in this game. Like I,
[00:02:36] you see, you could see me throughout the season, try and fail to like form an alliance with people
[00:02:41] and either they get medivacs or they just stop talking to me or, you know, they just think I'm
[00:02:46] a shady bitch. But what I was hoping with Charlie was this is my chance to actually form a bond with
[00:02:55] someone and to like Survivor is not a solo game. People forget that it's a multiplayer game. Like
[00:03:03] you need to work with others if you actually expect to win in the end. And so I was really
[00:03:07] hoping that this would be a turning point for me where I could actually, you know, garner someone's
[00:03:12] trust for once and convince them that I'm not the sneaky person. I'm just a very loyal person.
[00:03:17] And I really did want to work with him. And my intentions were to use this thing up my sleeve
[00:03:23] for the both of us. But obviously he ultimately didn't read it that way. And I see that now.
[00:03:29] Yeah. I feel like you're probably a fiercely loyal person because if somebody would have put their
[00:03:35] trust in you, I feel like you would never turn on that person. Never, never. Honestly, going into
[00:03:41] the game, that was my strategy. I just needed one ride or die. I just needed one person to trust me
[00:03:47] and I would have gone to the end with them. I never would have like stopped in the back.
[00:03:50] And also like speaking about trust, even though my fellow NAMIs disliked me so much,
[00:03:56] even during the merging onwards, before each of their vote out Soda, Hunter, Tevitt,
[00:04:01] I had a conversation with them again prior to their elimination saying like, hey, I still really
[00:04:06] want to work with you. I know you don't like me, but I still really want to work with you.
[00:04:10] But ultimately they did not trust me. So yes, I am a fiercely loyal person.
[00:04:16] Yeah. Venus helped me out here because I as a viewer. Yes.
[00:04:22] Need to know that. Do you feel like the vote changed after you talked to Charlie or was it
[00:04:29] going in that direction anyway? And you talking to Charlie didn't change anything.
[00:04:35] No, no, no, no. It's a hundred percent that conversation and my big mouth. It really sunk
[00:04:41] my game. If I hadn't had that conversation with Charlie, because it was really close to tribal.
[00:04:46] If I just didn't say anything to him, it would have been cute. It would have been cute. But I
[00:04:52] guess that conversation had breeded more insecurity than trust between me and Charlie. And ultimately
[00:04:58] he did what was best for his game. Looking back on it now, I can see it from his perspective.
[00:05:04] For me, it was like, here's something we can use together. But for him, it was like,
[00:05:08] here is a new uncertainty in my game that can prevent me from winning. So that is something
[00:05:14] that I can see now looking back. Why do you feel like you were the target at the final seven? Do
[00:05:20] you feel like it was for strategic reasons or was it a personality clash? It was not. Can I tell
[00:05:27] you, it was the stupidest vote they could have possibly done. It was the stupidest vote. And as
[00:05:34] much as people think, oh, she's arrogant, she's delusional, she thinks she's running the game.
[00:05:38] Do you know what my pitch was to people on the island? It was everyone hates me. No one trusts
[00:05:44] me. No one will vote for me in the end. Take me with you. Like use me as your shield. Right. You
[00:05:50] know, which is it? Is it Venus can't win or we have to get rid of her now? Which is it? Right.
[00:05:56] Can't be both. Pick a lane, God damn it. Pick a lane and stick to it. But it was very frustrating
[00:06:01] because in my mind that was just Q at that point. I'm just speaking to like the mentality in the
[00:06:06] game at that point. If Q would have made it to the end at that point, we all thought, well,
[00:06:12] it was obvious to me, at least that he would win because to be able to cause a cloud of confusion
[00:06:18] so many times in a row successfully, it speaks a lot to his game. It's impressive whether you
[00:06:23] like it or not. It's impressive that he's been able to pull it off. So I think that was a huge
[00:06:29] miscalculation on their part to vote me compared to him, because he at that point had a greater
[00:06:34] chance of winning in the end than I ever did. So I thought it was a stupid vote and they should
[00:06:39] have kept me. It goes without saying. So that challenge, that was so tense, so dramatic. It
[00:06:48] looked like you had it two or three different times. And then first off, how long did that take?
[00:06:55] Was that an hour that you guys were doing that? I mean, it felt like ages. It really did. But
[00:07:03] I had gotten so close so many times. I don't know what it's like. I forgot how to use my hands in
[00:07:08] the last second. But yeah, that challenge, it felt like forever. I enjoyed the show. That
[00:07:14] challenge. It was so fun for me. And even when I lost at the end, I had a big smile on my face
[00:07:18] because I was just excited to do a challenge that didn't involve a lot of energy, a lot of running
[00:07:26] and heavy lifting. I'm like, okay, this is something I can do. So I was just very happy
[00:07:31] to do something like that. Venus, can you tell me what was the reaction when you got to Ponderosa?
[00:07:36] And there's Soda and Tevin and Hunter that at various points, you had your back and forth with.
[00:07:47] So how did they receive you at Ponderosa? How honest am I allowed to be right now?
[00:07:55] Honestly, I was terrified going to Ponderosa because I'm like, all these people hate me.
[00:08:02] But I was, I was calmed down by the fact that the game is the game and now we're outside of
[00:08:09] the game. So hopefully they don't hold any grudges towards me. I was very disappointed
[00:08:14] with the fact that when I did get to Ponderosa, a few of them did not even come up to greet me,
[00:08:21] continue to not speak to me, continue to not make eye contact with me.
[00:08:26] I had made several attempts to bury the hatchet and to like make amends and extend
[00:08:31] all the branch. And it was met with a very, very negative reception, which I don't think
[00:08:37] was warranted. Like as much as you might dislike me, like I never come with malicious intentions.
[00:08:42] I really am trying to put my best foot forward. But like the only saving grace at Ponderosa was
[00:08:49] playing Scrabble with Hunter and then eating cereal and watching Avatar in the mornings.
[00:08:53] So that really is, that was my only peaceful moment there. Yeah.
[00:08:58] Okay. At Tribal Council, you and Q went back and forth also. Was that the first time that
[00:09:06] you two had kind of gotten into it or had there been other conversations with Q like that?
[00:09:11] There are other conversations. Can I tell you, Q, he was projecting like crazy because as much
[00:09:17] as he liked to say that Venus can't be trusted, she's sneaking, she's running around everywhere.
[00:09:22] He was the one saying that. Like he was the one breathing life into that line,
[00:09:28] telling everyone that when in reality he was telling on himself. Q was doing all that.
[00:09:32] Q was creating chaos, running around, talking shit and telling lies about conversations I had.
[00:09:39] Yeah. No, I'm so glad I told him to like shut his mouth in that moment in Tribal because he
[00:09:44] was talking a load of crap. He was talking out his butt and I was just sick of it.
[00:09:49] Him and Maria, sick of it. Yeah. All right. Venus, I'd love to hear from you that, you know,
[00:09:56] you have the opportunity to finally, you know, tell your side of the story on a lot of these
[00:10:01] things. And it did seem like that you were frustrated with how things were shown to the
[00:10:07] audience over the course of this season. So do you feel like that they portrayed your story
[00:10:13] accurately? And if not, what did we not see on the show?
[00:10:17] Oh, OK. It's so weird to think about it because obviously you're presented as a character in the
[00:10:23] show. Ultimately, you're a caricature of yourself. I'm not going to say that it was a completely
[00:10:30] inaccurate portrayal. Obviously, it's without context, but I feel like it did show both,
[00:10:36] you know, my positive traits and my flaws. And ultimately, I'm very grateful for the experience,
[00:10:45] because whether you like it or not, even the negative parts of you shown on TV,
[00:10:51] it has a negative truth. And it's something that you can either take on the chin and try
[00:10:54] and learn from and grow from or deny wholly. And I what I find very upsetting is that there's
[00:11:01] certain people who look at their edits and see the way they treated me and are upset at me about
[00:11:09] the edits. These people feel as though they were unfairly presented when in reality, they should
[00:11:14] acknowledge the fact that they did those things to me. They were very rude and cruel to me.
[00:11:20] And they should own up to that and learn from it and grow from it. And I'm not someone to hold
[00:11:24] grudges like if any one of those people who treated me poorly just said, hey, Venus, I'm
[00:11:28] sorry, you didn't deserve that much hate. I would move on from it. But the fact that some people are
[00:11:34] taking it and taking it as if it's it's an inaccurate portrayal that they weren't horribly
[00:11:43] cruel to me and that they didn't isolate me and stop talking to me and ostracize me on an island
[00:11:48] where I had no one else to speak to. That is what really grinds my gears because like show some
[00:11:53] humanity, OK? We're all people at the end of the day. Nothing is that serious. It helps no one's
[00:11:59] game to just disregard someone completely and their existence. So I'm very upset with that.
[00:12:07] But in terms of my story, I just wish that people understood that a lot of where I'm coming from
[00:12:16] and being so outspoken is not from a place of arrogance or cockiness. I was aware that I would
[00:12:24] go further by keeping my mouth shut. But the reason I'm on the show is to represent the woman
[00:12:28] of Iran. They don't have the privilege to speak freely. I have that privilege. And the last thing
[00:12:35] I'm going to do is censor myself or remove my agency in this game because I have a voice, too.
[00:12:40] And I was sure as hell going to use it. And I'm glad I did. Yeah. And you had those poignant final
[00:12:46] words at the end of the episode. And yes, it was really, really well done. And I'm sure your family
[00:12:54] is very proud. Yes, they are. Honestly, I didn't know they were going to include that. I'm so
[00:13:00] grateful they did. I burst into tears when I watched the episode and I heard myself say those
[00:13:04] words. It means a lot. People don't understand how much it means to the conversation. And it
[00:13:10] really warms my heart. So I'm happy. I want to ask you a little bit about your relationship with
[00:13:15] Kenzie because it seemed like for a minute there last night, it was like, oh, all right,
[00:13:19] this is something Venus and Kenzie. But at the end of the day, even Kenzie was one of the people
[00:13:25] that wrote your name down. What went wrong? Charlie told them that I have an advantage
[00:13:30] and she didn't believe it because she saw my little my acting where I was like looking for
[00:13:35] the idol with her. She's like, no way Venus has an idol. Please. But ultimately, Charlie swayed
[00:13:41] the votes. He had control on both sides. I think people are really underestimating the power
[00:13:45] Charlie has. He's playing a very quiet game, which is impressive. But yeah, I found it. Can
[00:13:52] I just say it's very telling in the episode when Kenzie said the only person who has lied to me
[00:13:58] is Venus of all people like no, no, babe. Like, of course, I'm like that is such a character
[00:14:06] assassination that everyone thought I was this big fat lying liar because I'm the most direct and
[00:14:11] honest out of all of you. Like, I want to tell you how it is. And it was just it was a little
[00:14:15] bit redeeming to hear her talk positively about me because you just need to talk to me for more than
[00:14:21] a few minutes to realize I'm I'm very chill. OK, Venus, real quick, would you play survivor again?
[00:14:30] I mean, statistically, the chances are so low, but I don't know. Let's see.
[00:14:35] I didn't ask, will you? I said, would you? Would I? Will other people from season 46 be there?
[00:14:44] It's not my call. Yeah. I would love to. Ultimately, this is a great platform,
[00:14:52] but it would have to be for the right reasons. The last thing I would want to do is go to
[00:14:57] to feed my ego. So, yeah.
[00:15:01] Well, Venus, you were very fun to watch, very fun to talk to today. And so let me just be the
[00:15:09] very first person to wish you happy Mother's Day, Venus. Because I am mother. That's right.
[00:15:21] Thank you so much. My cat, my only son is very grateful. So, yes.
[00:15:27] Yes. OK, Venus, great to talk to you. Hope we can chat again soon. OK?
[00:15:32] Yes, definitely. Thank you so much. All right. Take care, Venus. Bye.
[00:15:37] All right. There you have it. Venus Vafa. And Venus was such an interesting character.
[00:15:45] He's in really that she would have been if they would have put her on Big Brother. I mean,
[00:15:50] I just think that she would be maybe an all timer on that show as well, especially with the live
[00:15:59] feeds. People love to follow what Venus is doing. You know, she had this story with her tribe that
[00:16:07] she never really fit in. And then at the merge, it continued with Q and Maria. And it just seemed
[00:16:14] like that there was so much friction there. And, you know, as a Survivor viewer, we love to see it.
[00:16:20] And hopefully we'll get to talk more with Venus down the road. But for us, we've got
[00:16:28] Zach Wurttenberger and this week in Survivor history coming up right after this.
[00:16:37] All right. We're back for some Twish and back with us once again. No spoilers because he's not caught
[00:16:45] up on MILF Manor. It's Jordan Kalish. Jordan, how are you? I'm doing great. Just just coming off a
[00:16:53] wedding this weekend. I was the best man. I gave a speech and I'm back here as one of the three
[00:16:59] best men. Yeah. How did your speech go? I went over pretty well. The the the parents of the
[00:17:05] the bride and groom liked it. The bride and groom liked it. So I think it was a run time on the
[00:17:09] speech. So there were actually two best men at this wedding, and I think the total run time between
[00:17:14] the two of us was about six to seven minutes. OK. All right. Got to keep it tight. OK. So
[00:17:20] here with us, one of my faves is back to take me on this week in Survivor history trivia.
[00:17:27] We're taking on all of the titans of the new era. Here is Zach Wurttenberger.
[00:17:34] Thank you, Rob. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited. I mean, now that 50s announced,
[00:17:40] I'm so excited to really look back at Survivor history. Oh, my God.
[00:17:44] Talk about some of my favorites. Talk about some of my favorite players of all time and
[00:17:49] people I might one day see out there, you know, like just really.
[00:17:53] Zach, is there any extra pressure that you could like trip up on a question and then be on a tribe
[00:18:00] with the person that you very clearly insult by your lack of memory about their particular journey?
[00:18:09] No, no, because I'm not going to slip up on any questions. I'm ready for Guatemala. I'm
[00:18:14] ready for Fiji. I'm ready for, you know, when they bring when they bring Lydia back.
[00:18:20] Like, I'm going to be there and I'm going to say like, hey, I remember what you did in episode 11.
[00:18:25] Yeah. Jordan, Danny Boatwright broke the Guatemala curse when she became the first
[00:18:32] original Guatemala player to return to Survivor in season 40. Well,
[00:18:35] that's I wonder who will be for season 50. I mean, maybe maybe a judge, maybe a Gary
[00:18:41] Hawkins. I could see something like that. And if Zach, if you are getting too many of these.
[00:18:47] Yeah. If you if Zach's getting any of these like these out there Guatemala questions,
[00:18:52] right. You might have his future tribe made of his saying big mistake.
[00:18:59] OK, the Guatemala pass is going to check this out. I don't know which the regular viewership
[00:19:04] is on. I know I 70 is Brian Corden listening to this. If I think that he's now that he's
[00:19:11] been mentioned, I'm sure it will be forwarded to him. Yes. This video will be tweeted by
[00:19:16] Brian Corden. So, Brian, hello. Yes. All right. Brian, I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
[00:19:22] In Guatemala, fellow fellow premerger, you know, maybe they'll put both out there.
[00:19:26] OK. Blake was gold, Brian. Yes. All right. So golden boy. Last week, I narrowly edged out
[00:19:35] Evie. It was the tightest twist of the season, but by some miracle, I pulled it out. So this week,
[00:19:44] the prize pot, I believe, is back up to two hundred dollars. And Zach,
[00:19:48] we are playing for a charity of your choosing. Yeah, I got you got to do,
[00:19:55] you know, keep it in the CBS family. I'm going to donate to Shannon Elizabeth's
[00:20:00] elephant fund. I'm not going to do that. No, let's do a I'll donate to the
[00:20:10] National Breast Cancer Foundation. OK. All right. On the family before. So let's,
[00:20:17] you know, support for that. OK. A great cause. And so two hundred dollars on the line from
[00:20:25] yours truly. If Zach can beat me out for this week, it's my history. And Jordan,
[00:20:32] we're going to talk about, OK, episode eleven famous episode eleven's. Yes. Famous episode
[00:20:38] eleven's from Survivor History and the seasons that I have prepared for you are Marquesas,
[00:20:44] Pearl Islands, Exile Island, Fiji, forty one and forty three. And we're off to a strong start
[00:20:50] because I listed the seasons in chronological order this time. OK. All right, Zach, of course,
[00:20:57] it's customary for the guests to go first. Hey, episode 11 roll. Let's do I guess we'll
[00:21:08] start new era. I guess we'll start forty three. All right. So Survivor 43, when Cody found the
[00:21:16] choose your champion advantage, allowing him to become immune if he correctly predicted who would
[00:21:21] win the next immunity challenge. Who did he select? I believe he selected.
[00:21:31] OK, well, I know he got it correct and I know he was safe there. So that means it was either Owen
[00:21:37] or Carla. I guess I shouldn't be saying this out loud, but I figure Rob already knows that
[00:21:43] I'm pretty sure that it's Owen. Owen was one of the winners of the last gasp immunity challenge.
[00:21:52] The other one, like you said, was Carla Cody selected Owen. So you were correct and was immune
[00:21:58] himself. So three people in that round were immune from from the choose your champion and from the
[00:22:04] double immunity winners. So, Zach, you start strong two points there. And Owen is a Twish
[00:22:11] contestant, a fellow Twish contestant. So yeah, it's a loser. That's true. A Twish loser,
[00:22:17] but maybe maybe a returning player at some point. Yeah. No, I'm kidding. Kidding. Yeah.
[00:22:22] Choose your champion. Very happy to see as it was a one and done. Yeah, not my favorite
[00:22:27] advantage in the new era. Not my least favorite either, but it's one that I don't think we need
[00:22:31] to really bring back. Who do you think of those three players? Should I invest the most time in
[00:22:36] over the next year and a half? Between Carla, Owen, and Cody. I mean, I feel like they're all
[00:22:41] in the running. Cody's a little bit of a dark horse. I feel like I don't hear his name a lot
[00:22:46] as an all star, but I do feel like that he was probably a production fave. I think I might
[00:22:52] really start pre-gaming with Cody. I think he is because I feel like no one's picked him up yet.
[00:22:59] That could be off the grid. Yeah. OK. All right. I'm going to go with, give me Pearl Islands.
[00:23:06] All right. So Pearl Islands, we're going far back in survivor history to a very famous episode
[00:23:12] of Pearl Islands, maybe the potentially the most famous episode in survivor history.
[00:23:16] Fairplay and his buddy Thunder D infamously won the loved one's challenge after the dead grandma
[00:23:21] lie. But which survivor's loved one was the last one to walk the plank coming in second place?
[00:23:30] You don't have to say the loved one's name. It's just the survivor. Right.
[00:23:37] This is a tough question. And I'm not going to say ask for the multiple choice because I know
[00:23:45] the people who are there. Hmm. The last person left.
[00:23:59] This is a pretty tough question. Yeah. Yes. I knew it was the dead grandma.
[00:24:10] I said, OK, I feel like this is an episode I know pretty well. But who did Thunder D
[00:24:17] edge out? I guess for some reason I feel like it was Dara's boyfriend.
[00:24:30] Dara's boyfriend is not correct. Oh, wait, I get to guess. You get to steal. You don't
[00:24:37] get the multiple choice. It's only for one point if you get it right.
[00:24:41] So it was I can speak it out loud now. It's not Dara. It's not Fairplay. I know it's not Sandra.
[00:24:48] That leaves Lil, Tijuana, Krista and Burton. I think it was Tijuana.
[00:24:59] Tijuana is unfortunately incorrect as well. So Burton was the one who got to make the decision
[00:25:06] of do I send this person in the water or do I let Fairplay see his buddy Thunder D.
[00:25:13] And he sent Lil's husband into the water. So Lil's was the second place in this challenge.
[00:25:18] Neither of you get a point there, but it is now Zach's question.
[00:25:21] OK, all right. Bad spot. Bad spot for.
[00:25:25] Rob's options. It was Marquesas, Exile, Fiji and 41.
[00:25:31] I got to go 41. Sorry to the new era haters, but I got to lock this money down.
[00:25:38] Hey, you are of the new era. It makes sense that you're going to the new era.
[00:25:41] It makes me feel better. 41 is the one I know the least by absolutely far.
[00:25:50] Before your time. Before my time, exactly.
[00:25:54] So who was voted out at the tribal council in which DeShawn saved himself
[00:25:58] by picking the correct do or die box?
[00:26:04] A twist that I hate more than the choose your champion.
[00:26:07] How did how did Rob's question be like, who was the last person eliminated in this reward?
[00:26:12] In a reward challenge. Right.
[00:26:14] In the most famous reward challenge in survivor history.
[00:26:16] My question was who got voted out seventh.
[00:26:20] Who got voted out there? It was Liana.
[00:26:22] Liana is correct. So without the multiple choice, you get two more points. Zach has a four
[00:26:27] zero lead. You have two sets of questions for when I pick the category.
[00:26:33] You think I'm spending my time writing?
[00:26:39] So that is Zach with a big lead. Rob, you have Marquesas.
[00:26:44] OK, I think I'm in a can't even get anything wrong, I think at this point.
[00:26:51] Yeah, you definitely got to get my questions right and need help.
[00:26:53] OK, so I'm going to go to Marquesas. Go to the Marquesa.
[00:26:58] All right. So Rob is Rob is going back to the very old school, the single digits,
[00:27:02] which players celebrated their birthday at the survivor Marquesas final seven.
[00:27:10] Celebrate their birthday at the final Marquesas final seven.
[00:27:14] I do not recall this. I like which contestant from Marquesas had their
[00:27:24] birthday around the time it was OK. That's a good way to do it.
[00:27:28] Um, for some reason, I'm feeling like did.
[00:27:35] I won't I feel like that maybe it was was it did the Sepia have her birthday?
[00:27:44] So the Sepia, the winner of the season, was serenaded by her friend, Sean Rector.
[00:27:50] It was her birthday. And that's why it was so controversial when when Nelia
[00:27:55] was picked to go on the reward and brought back the mint, because everyone thought that
[00:28:00] that Pascoe should have taken the Sepia. Rob, you get two points. So it is a four to two game.
[00:28:05] Zach, you could ice it here if you if you get a two pointer. I believe even if you get a one
[00:28:10] pointer, I'm not I don't really know math, but I'm pretty sure that would be true as well.
[00:28:14] There are only two questions left. Exile Island or Fiji.
[00:28:18] All right. Um. I definitely wouldn't have gotten that one,
[00:28:22] although I might have just guessed me just based on her birthday.
[00:28:25] Yeah, what her birthday is. Right. That would have helped.
[00:28:28] God, where's survivor birthdays when you need them? I'm going to go exile.
[00:28:33] All right. Exile Island. When Bruce Kanagai became the first survivor,
[00:28:37] Bruce, to get medevaced, how many people, including Bruce, were in the game at that point?
[00:28:45] OK, well, I OK, well, I know the answer to this. So let me ask this. Let me ask you this,
[00:28:51] Rob. Actually, is there is this like a new era survivor? Is there room to negotiate here?
[00:28:59] I think so. We're open to negotiation. OK, how about this, Rob? A new era of Twitch.
[00:29:07] I will throw this question. Yeah. And give you the chance to tie it up.
[00:29:14] OK, go to the tiebreaker. OK. If if I win rice, you raise the prize to $250 for the chair.
[00:29:24] Ooh. Never before have I seen this strategy. Yeah. Sure. Let's go. Let's go open the door.
[00:29:35] OK, OK. So, Zach, what is your what is your answer? Let me be clear, though. I can't I can't.
[00:29:43] I'm not going to answer this wrong. And then Rob isn't going to be able to take the answer
[00:29:48] it right. And then I'm iced out. You're not going to screw over breast cancer like that.
[00:29:52] No, right, Rob? No, I would never. OK. All right. The deal is locked in. Yes.
[00:30:00] OK, I have no clue what this question is. So I'm going to guess that it's
[00:30:04] you were bluffing. You really didn't know the answer.
[00:30:08] No, I know it's seven, but I'm not answering that. I'm going to answer six.
[00:30:14] Six is incorrect. Yes. OK. Yeah, because I mean, I also like this is also like we've talked about
[00:30:22] like these other episode elevens have seven people in it. And of course, famously, the next
[00:30:28] episode is Suri doing three to one and Bruce isn't there. So, you know, it's not six. So yeah, seven.
[00:30:35] No, it's pretty. This was a pretty, pretty easy one. The thing is for me that like the thing I
[00:30:40] know best in Survivor is like the boot lists, like who wins where it's the like nitty gritty
[00:30:47] of the rewards and stuff that I was really worried about. So the fact that the question was like
[00:30:52] basically what place did Bruce get? You know, I was going to get that. Yeah. All right. So, Rob,
[00:30:57] you you do steal a point, which means that this this we are at a point right now where Zach is up
[00:31:04] to steal. We said that it was a. What was the deal? Oh, I I understood as that Zach was going
[00:31:12] to intentionally tank the question and that I was going to have an opportunity to steal.
[00:31:17] That's what I heard. So we were throwing that question away so that you would have the
[00:31:22] opportunity to tie it up, not steal the question. OK, so messy. All right. Yeah. But Rob did say
[00:31:29] you threw the question as the impartial judge. What was your interpretation on that?
[00:31:40] Sam has no idea what's going on. Are Rob and I on the same side of a controversy?
[00:31:45] Yeah, this is rare. This is very rare. Am I about to lose this? No, because then it's four,
[00:31:48] three. So now if I get this is five, four. So Rob would have to. So now this is Rob's question.
[00:31:55] Rob would have to. So basically, Rob would then go back into the recording and see what we said.
[00:32:00] That's what I had said. I had said originally that you can't just take this answer. We're
[00:32:05] going to have to go to the recording. So I think, Rob, what you would have to do if you want to
[00:32:09] arrest cancer, if Rob wants to honor his promise to breast cancer awareness,
[00:32:14] he would have to take multiple choice and then get it right. But then if he gets it wrong,
[00:32:19] Zack, you know the question. Let me hear the question before we're.
[00:32:23] All right. So this is this got a little messy here. This never happened before. Before I
[00:32:27] was so smooth sailing. OK, whose bag did Mookie and Alex go through angering the rest of their
[00:32:33] tribe for the invasion of privacy? This is a survivor. All right. Well, all right. This is,
[00:32:38] I feel like a rather easy question. And they went through young man's bag. Yeah, that is true.
[00:32:49] So I feel like Zack was when I think so. It feels dirty. It feels dirty. Rob, you should have
[00:32:55] got. All right. All right. All right. OK, fine. Then let's negotiate. All right. We can we have
[00:33:02] room to negotiate here. I think we should if I if I forfeit one of my points to go to a tiebreaker,
[00:33:08] we'll go back down to 100. What about this? What is Zack? So we'll go. What if we go to
[00:33:14] a tiebreaker? What if Zack loses? He has to donate two hundred fifty dollars to breast cancer.
[00:33:18] We're hoping the guest. OK, all right. All right. Fine. Because. All right.
[00:33:25] Because I'm so fond of Zack, I will say, OK, let's go to a tiebreaker. OK, we got to we
[00:33:32] got to check the tape on this is going to be the comments are going to be just this is messy, wild.
[00:33:38] OK, I this is why I see why Jeff brings a knife to these negotiations. Now, this is
[00:33:46] if I lose this, this is going to be like the most humiliating Twish game in survivor history.
[00:33:54] You will be asking questions about this game. I think you're I think you're right. This might be
[00:33:59] the worst strategic move, but maybe like the best move in terms of like getting more money for
[00:34:04] charity and survivor history if you win. So I think I think that that you can look at it from
[00:34:08] that angle could be like we're saying Reichenbach of Twish. Are we saying we're tied five to four
[00:34:14] right or four to exactly gave up the immunity necklace and now he's on the ropes? That's what
[00:34:19] it sounds like. So are we saying you're taking one point for this Fiji question that you got?
[00:34:27] The way I understood it as I was doing was that I was going to get it wrong
[00:34:31] and then you were going to get it wrong. Oh. I was otherwise because I thought that you were
[00:34:39] going to you were not going to answer the question, giving me a chance. And I could
[00:34:45] have potentially really screwed it up and not even gotten that question right. But you did say
[00:34:50] the answer. Yes, I could have locked it down there, but I was like, you know what? All right,
[00:34:56] let's go to it. Let's go to overtime. All right. So Rob is Rob is taking one point for the Fiji
[00:35:03] question. We are tied four to four officially. And we have talked about the fact that we've talked
[00:35:07] about a lot of a lot of us seventh placers here on this week in some history. So we're going to do
[00:35:12] the random season generator game. I am going to give you a season from one to forty five because
[00:35:18] that happened to be the thing that Zack said he knows best in survivor history.
[00:35:23] Just earlier in this very conversation, this is actually what I had prepared as the tiebreaker
[00:35:28] this time. I got some flack from you last week for for coming up with it on the spot, even though
[00:35:32] I kind of knew that I was going to go to first jurors if there is going to be one. It wasn't
[00:35:36] concrete this time. It was actually concrete. So I am going to my random number generator.
[00:35:43] I'm putting in one to forty five several by the way, place finishers. Yes. For for a game like
[00:35:49] this, if a redemption island or like winners or like exile BS comes up, I just skip it.
[00:35:56] So we're not going to do any crazy seasons where it's hard to remember because of the people coming
[00:36:00] back. So we're going to go to Zack first. We are somehow tied four to four. Who was the 17th?
[00:36:06] That's not 17th. Not the seven. The seventh place or seventh place or a survivor 20.
[00:36:13] That is heroes versus villains. OK, let me just make sure I don't screw this up.
[00:36:21] Yeah, I'm not screwing this up. This is Danielle. Danielle de Lorenzo was the
[00:36:29] seventh place or congratulations, Zach. You get one point. Just double checking.
[00:36:33] Just double checking. Look at the Wikipedia. Zach is right. Zach was joining. This is over.
[00:36:38] OK, I'm pretty good at the placements, too. I feel like the placements is my is my is my
[00:36:42] strong point, too. I just didn't want any like Kalish math coming up because I am looking at
[00:36:46] the list. I feel like Rob is good at this, too, though. So it's really going to come down to who
[00:36:50] gets like one of the I'm OK at it. OK, you know, there's a there's a real like, you know, expiration
[00:36:58] date of when I know the placements for. OK, yeah. All right. All right, Rob, we are going
[00:37:06] to Survivor Ghost Island seventh place. I'm going to say it is. I'm going to say it's
[00:37:28] Kellen. So Kellen Bechtold has been on this week in Survivor history before,
[00:37:34] and she is also the correct answer to this question. So, Rob, you stay alive.
[00:37:37] Kellen or purple Chelsea or like Chelsea? Chelsea was eight. Yeah. OK, all right. So we are going
[00:37:47] to now go to our next season. Clicking on the randomizer, we have a season 17 Survivor.
[00:37:53] Gabon, several teen, several teen. Oh, seventh placer Survivor. Gabon.
[00:38:01] That's a pain. That one's a pain. Earth's last eaten. OK, let me go. Let me go.
[00:38:09] It's Bob, Susie, Sugar, Maddie, then Ken is fifth. OK, so now we've got Crystal,
[00:38:24] Corinne and Randy all around there. I know Randy is eighth. I'm almost certain of that.
[00:38:38] So then that makes sense to me that it would be. Randy and then Corinne and then Crystal
[00:38:44] sounds right to me, so I'm going to go Corinne. Corinne Kaplan is correct. Zach, you are up six
[00:38:51] to five. Good job. Good job. That did not feel good for me. That was a good logic here. Rob,
[00:38:58] this might be a tough one where we are at Survivor Nicaragua. Seventh placer. Oh,
[00:39:05] well, and now is this also are we getting into like like the quits territory here?
[00:39:14] The we don't skip seasons with quits. I swear to God, if it's like I have to know the order of who
[00:39:22] quit between Purple Kelly and and Neonka like like I've got a coin here. I'll pay the money to
[00:39:31] the breast cancer charity, but also Jordan, you're fired after this week. OK, OK. All right, so.
[00:39:43] To go to Wurtenberger it here, OK? Of course we have, you know, Fabio and Chase and Sash and then
[00:39:56] a Holly and then Dan Lembo is five. And then was Benry sixth place?
[00:40:06] And then I think they had a long episode and then I think I you son of a bitch. I think it is.
[00:40:14] I'm going to say that. I guess a seventh place is Purple Kelly. So Purple Kelly
[00:40:23] was the second person who quit. Neonka did go first. So technically they are in that order where
[00:40:30] Purple Kelly went after the seventh placer on that season, though you did say his name was Benry.
[00:40:36] So the quits actually did not affect the placement there. Yes. Oh, Jean. Jean Bright.
[00:40:42] Yeah, Jean. Jean was six. Benry was seven. So the quits did not really affect you. The seventh.
[00:40:46] I was guessing I was guessing. So, Zach, it paid off somehow. You win by a score of six to five.
[00:40:55] Congratulations. OK, congratulations. Zach. Thank you, Rob. Thank you for playing with honor.
[00:41:03] Yes. Yes. You know, I was I was thinking before last last week we had our longest week with Evie
[00:41:10] and I was like, this is going to be the shortest week with Zach because we were like 12 minutes in
[00:41:13] and Zach was up four zero. But now we're at 24 minutes. We have doubled our time with all the
[00:41:17] all the deal making the wheeling and dealing. Everybody's so happy. Extra twist.
[00:41:24] Rob, double or nothing on the Billy Joel names again.
[00:41:27] No, that's good. No, Zach, it was too much that I've I've forgotten too much. That's my problem.
[00:41:33] OK. All right. Zach, what else do you have coming up?
[00:41:39] What else do I have coming up? Nothing. Yeah. OK. Yeah. I mean, I'm hanging out with
[00:41:49] friends tonight. Oh, that's good. Pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Jordan, how about for you?
[00:41:57] You're forgetting something that I have coming up, Rob, because it's a verbal rebus. We have
[00:42:01] not gone there yet. I've got to do the verbal rebus, Rob. It wouldn't be a completed twist
[00:42:05] it wouldn't be a completed twist without the verbal rebus. OK, here we go. We got the
[00:42:11] these verbal rebuses I've been getting worse and worse at.
[00:42:15] No, you find they're making less sense. The verbal rebuses are getting worse.
[00:42:22] I don't know about that. I think they're just getting more intricate, Rob.
[00:42:27] Let's let's see if you like this one. I think you might like this one.
[00:42:30] Who the we have the NFL player from the Zapaterra tribe.
[00:42:35] OK, we have plus the first letter full name or first first name, last name. What are we doing
[00:42:42] here? The NFL player, if I don't say if I don't specify it's just the first name. That's always
[00:42:47] that's I'm going to pull a Jeff Probst here. That's that's always been the rules here on
[00:42:50] the on the verbal rebus. If I don't specify his name plus the first letter of the first
[00:42:56] name of Cook Islands, merge boot. The first letter of the first name of Cook Islands,
[00:43:06] Merge Merge Merge Merge. Oh yeah. Plus, after Shambo lost the snorkel mouthpiece,
[00:43:14] she said the good news is that there are hundreds of thousands of blank on the reef. OK.
[00:43:20] Plus, Pat Cusack was medivac when he hurt this body part in the premiere.
[00:43:27] OK. All right. Who do we have? So who was the NFL player from Zapaterra? Steve,
[00:43:31] Eve, the first letter of the who's the Cook Island merge boot?
[00:43:34] It was Nate. Nate. So we have the letter N. There are hundreds of thousands of blank on
[00:43:41] the reef. What did Shambo say? There was fish in the ocean.
[00:43:46] The ocean. Yeah. Plus, Pat Cusack was medivac. We heard his body part.
[00:43:52] That's tweaked back was was all it was not all right when he heard it. Who do we have, guys?
[00:43:57] Steven Fishback. Yeah. Even fishback voted out this week and he would love the verbal rebus.
[00:44:03] I think I think he is a literary guy. He loves putting words together. The resident wordsmith
[00:44:08] of our HAP. He would love it. Maybe we should have a Kalish and fishback just go verbal rebuses
[00:44:13] back to back to back. I mean, back to fish. Wait, wait until he pisses me off about something
[00:44:19] and then we'll set it up. OK. This is like this. Our HAP jail. Right. When is when is
[00:44:25] he going to get on one of these? Oh, yeah. I don't think that's his thing. I think I'd mop the
[00:44:31] floor with him, to be frank. I mean, there's many subjects. I mean, I think in terms of like
[00:44:37] Steven and I for trivia, I think his knowledge base is a mile wide, but mine is a mile deep,
[00:44:46] but not as deep as Zach's knowledge base. I mean, I know why I should specify.
[00:44:53] I know who got seventh place on 41 and exile islands and Gabon, apparently. Yeah.
[00:45:01] Part of it is picking the picking the right category. It's it's it's like a life is like
[00:45:05] a box of chocolates and so is Twish. OK. All right. There you go, Jordan. Anything else for
[00:45:11] you? If you could follow me on Twitter at Jordan Kalish, as always doing the New York viewing
[00:45:17] parties, not not so many left. The season's coming to an end pretty soon. But if you're in the New
[00:45:23] York area, we've had people come from all around the country and the world this season. People
[00:45:28] have stopped in and they're in New York and they can't wait to watch Survivor with with all the
[00:45:33] fans. It's a great atmosphere. OK. All right. Well, Jordan, great work once again that you
[00:45:41] amaze us every week. Thank you so much for joining us. We'd love to read your comments.
[00:45:46] Thanks so much. I'm so excited to read the comments on your Twitch. Yes, this is going
[00:45:51] to be one of the more confusing ones to follow. Rabbi, I am that, you know, Chappelle once said
[00:45:56] God loves Jordan Kalish and just disproving it time and time again. Yes, we did it. We did it.
[00:46:03] We got so much money for charity. We did it. That's true. We recorded this earlier in the week.
[00:46:10] So currently, I as you're listening to this, I am still coming back from Chicago. But the
[00:46:16] recording of our live show from Chicago is going to be airing on Thursday and on Friday.
[00:46:21] The verbal rebus is own Stephen Fishback will join me for Survivor Know-It-All
[00:46:25] on Friday. Thank you so much for joining us. Take care of everybody. Have a good one. Bye.