Survivor 46 | Ep 3 Know-It-Alls

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[00:01:00] The Smarter Skies Around, are about to break it down like it won't be game a million times.

[00:01:20] While actually they didn't really win the game at all.

[00:01:51] Yeah, that's right. The Survivor Know-It-Alls are back here on a Thursday afternoon.

[00:01:59] Jump right in. We're live.

[00:02:02] Oh, it wasn't not ready. I was just like reading the new Twitter.

[00:02:06] Yes, anything good? Anything hot?

[00:02:10] Yeah, you know, people are really love Bonu.

[00:02:14] Yes, yes. For the most part, yeah, Bonu. Very polar.

[00:02:21] Everybody else universally beloved. He's won a million hearts on Twitter and so we'll talk about Bonu.

[00:02:28] Personally, I love that he's here. Josh Wiggler in the Evolution of Strategy often talked about survivor is great when there are grenades out there.

[00:02:39] Where there's going to be, okay, you've got all these great players.

[00:02:43] Here's Keith Nale for you, Steven.

[00:02:45] Oh yeah, I mean Keith at least will stick to a plan.

[00:02:48] There's that, you know, I mean that's what like literally one of,

[00:02:51] I was talking to one of the producers after survivor of Cambodia and I was like,

[00:02:56] why on earth did you cast this psychotic player, Abby?

[00:03:00] And they were like, oh but she's the, you know, she's the, the, the shoe in the gears.

[00:03:06] You know, she's the like that's like the farthest.

[00:03:08] America cast her. Yeah, well, she was on the ballot.

[00:03:11] Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[00:03:13] Yeah, no, I think we need that especially in the new era where you have everybody is so calculated.

[00:03:20] Everybody knows the game. Everybody knows what's coming.

[00:03:23] Let's throw a designated wild card on each team.

[00:03:27] It is, I mean it is true. Like that's what we've been asking for right when people talk about not all recruits, not all gamebots.

[00:03:33] What they mean is they're, it's nice to have people who don't know what they're doing.

[00:03:38] Yeah. And they're kind of like feeling it out and making decisions based not purely on like the optimal game strategy divorced from any human context.

[00:03:48] I do have to say I find people who say that they're there to win hearts.

[00:03:52] I find that very like I am allergic to that.

[00:03:54] People who say that, oh, I'm so inspiring.

[00:03:57] I'm here to inspire people like just be inspiring.

[00:04:00] You know, when you're talking about it, I'm not.

[00:04:02] That's true. But I do love Bonu and I'm very happy he's out there as the show.

[00:04:07] And the difference between Bonu and maybe some of these players in the past is that Bonu seems to sincerely love survivor.

[00:04:14] He calls Jeff props his guru and he is very excited to be there.

[00:04:19] Seems to love the show.

[00:04:21] He's not good at survivor.

[00:04:24] But he loves survivor as opposed to this is better than, okay, Lynn Spillman saw some guy at a mall and okay, he looks like a wackadoodle.

[00:04:34] Put him out there on the show.

[00:04:36] I'm never going to critique Lynn Spillman's casting.

[00:04:38] I mean, Lynn Spillman cast all of the greats of the show.

[00:04:41] Yes, but also there's also not greats.

[00:04:44] But I do think there's like a certain survivor type now that is getting on the show of these like absolute flame outs.

[00:04:54] And I don't think we can cast those people and maybe that's a maybe that some people live those people and some people don't love those people, the flops.

[00:05:01] Yeah, can I ask you absolute when you say absolute flame outs?

[00:05:04] You mean like boring casting choices are people that got on the show and were.

[00:05:08] Sounds pretty exciting when you say the hot messes and I do think, you know who like think that they're going to be amazing.

[00:05:16] And then our absolute catastrophes and again, maybe we like those as podcasters as viewers.

[00:05:23] I like it but some people don't like it.

[00:05:25] Some people they're like, I don't want I get a lot of I got a lot of dea please everybody.

[00:05:29] Who are these new casts? Where do they get these people?

[00:05:32] And you know, it's just that's a different take.

[00:05:35] Well, we have a lot to get to here today.

[00:05:38] Of course, we're going to take your questions. We've already got a bunch from the Rob is a podcast Facebook group for the patrons.

[00:05:45] So we're ready to go. I'll also be taking calls with the patrons on our feedback Friday show that's going to be alive at three for the patrons of RHAP.

[00:05:54] That's coming up on Friday and then shepele and I will be back on Monday to do a live edition of Club Condo very.

[00:06:03] We very well received critically acclaimed 17th place roundtable over this past weekend.

[00:06:09] Steven and look very fun.

[00:06:11] I mean, who won?

[00:06:13] Well, it wasn't a contest.

[00:06:15] Zan.

[00:06:16] Who would have won? Who won the banter off?

[00:06:18] Look, you got to listen to the podcast. No spoilers.

[00:06:22] Okay. Zach Brandon and then Matty joined us for that one.

[00:06:27] And then your friend and mine Rick Devins joined me for the post game show.

[00:06:32] Yes. Yes.

[00:06:34] You do that you two must now would have been a real banter off. You have a banter off you versus Devins.

[00:06:38] A real banter off, okay?

[00:06:39] We're off.

[00:06:40] Yeah. This is from Lucas in the chat.

[00:06:42] Is it last night Rick Devins compared Steven to Bonyu?

[00:06:45] He said they're both tall, overly emotional and prayed for the downfall of others.

[00:06:50] So Steven, do you accept this comparison?

[00:06:55] No. And in fact, I'm praying for Rick to be smoked.

[00:06:58] Yeah.

[00:06:59] I did is Bonyu that tall?

[00:07:02] I'm clear. Yeah.

[00:07:03] You can't tell you never know until you see these people in real life.

[00:07:06] I remember meeting and sure I've shared the same anecdote, Ben from Survivor Samoa,

[00:07:10] not exactly my favorite human but made the tallest humans I've ever seen.

[00:07:14] Yeah, he doesn't you don't see that scene that tall on TV.

[00:07:17] The TV small. The TV's only like this big.

[00:07:20] Yeah.

[00:07:21] Huge.

[00:07:22] I heard Mr. Beast is six four.

[00:07:24] What?

[00:07:25] Yeah.

[00:07:26] Wow.

[00:07:27] That's surprising to me.

[00:07:28] Yeah.

[00:07:29] Okay.

[00:07:30] All right, so we'll take all that plus I spoke with Rand in this morning and got the chance

[00:07:33] to talk with him.

[00:07:34] He is fully recuperated.

[00:07:35] Steven, you posted that you thought this was going to be a controversial take maybe that

[00:07:41] survivors should get medical attention and then come back into the game.

[00:07:44] You frame this as potentially a very hot take and then you realize quickly that everybody

[00:07:49] agreed with this.

[00:07:50] Yeah.

[00:07:51] Not everybody.

[00:07:52] I will say I did get so yeah, survivors should have like limited medical attention.

[00:07:56] But it also like you know people love to chime in if you say this is going to be controversial.

[00:08:00] So say anything anything you say you should put this is going to be controversial.

[00:08:03] And then oh, actually it's not like because everybody's a contrarian.

[00:08:06] Exactly.

[00:08:07] No, that's a great idea.

[00:08:12] This is going to get me canceled but no, you're not canceled.

[00:08:15] Yeah, I like agree with you.

[00:08:16] Yeah.

[00:08:17] So yeah.

[00:08:19] Yeah, I do think that apparently they do this in Australian survivor war people

[00:08:25] can leave the game for people hours.

[00:08:28] You know, I did get some people saying then it's not survivor and then it's not real

[00:08:32] survivalists.

[00:08:33] Like also competing in an obstacle course to win nails is not real survivalism.

[00:08:38] Like that too is not something that happens when you're stranded in a loan.

[00:08:43] Yeah.

[00:08:44] But it does I feel like it impacts the game more when someone is pulled for you know,

[00:08:52] ostensibly no reason, you know, it did seem like Brandon was fine.

[00:08:55] I don't know, we can make Bloom tweeted that there's a little bit more of a complication

[00:08:59] to that but um, so you know, Brandon had to get an MRI and then he was fine.

[00:09:04] Like why not let him just be pulled for 24 hours, get the MRI, stay on game state food

[00:09:10] and then come back.

[00:09:11] Yeah.

[00:09:12] And you'll go ahead.

[00:09:13] Well, Steven, I feel like that what you're describing is like I feel like that there

[00:09:18] was precedent for that.

[00:09:19] I mean, when in the past many times we've seen like, okay, Russell Swan, we're going to

[00:09:26] observe him.

[00:09:27] We'll let you know later on today.

[00:09:29] I mean, Joe Doudel was taken away from you all right and then you got, and then you

[00:09:34] got word about Joe Doudel when you, uh, and you didn't pray for that to happen, right?

[00:09:38] That wasn't a mere, you didn't say that was a miracle.

[00:09:41] No, I mean, they really, uh, uh, scuttle with the plants.

[00:09:46] Yeah.

[00:09:47] That's true.

[00:09:48] I think when they take them out of like out of the island or something, but you know,

[00:09:51] like people are getting hydration, you know, people are getting, I got electrolytes,

[00:09:56] you know, I've heard of people getting fruit, you know, I think Joe Angleham got like

[00:10:00] an apple or something, you know, when he, when he passed out, um, you know, James was always

[00:10:05] talking about an apple.

[00:10:06] I don't know if that was a little bit more.

[00:10:08] Well, then also, but he had, it's only the apple.

[00:10:10] You know, James had an infection in his finger in fans versus favorites and then they took

[00:10:15] him and it was like, all right, well, we're going to look at this after.

[00:10:17] And then the tribe was going to find out later on.

[00:10:20] So like, I got antibiotics in token chains because I had like an infection in my elbow.

[00:10:25] Like people are getting medical treatment.

[00:10:26] So the idea that like there's some kind of like firm divide between like what can be transported

[00:10:31] into a tent and what can't be transported into a tent is so ridiculous.

[00:10:34] Yeah.

[00:10:35] So in this case, uh, we had where, so Brandon needed the MRI he needed to go, he told me

[00:10:42] in the exit interview as well as all the other people on the survivor press that he

[00:10:46] actually required a lot of medical attention.

[00:10:49] He's fine.

[00:10:50] He is fine now, but he was it was not like that he woke up the next morning and slept it

[00:10:53] off.

[00:10:54] And that once he slept like in a normal bed, he was fine.

[00:10:57] He, uh, it took a lot of medication and therapy.

[00:11:02] And now he is back good as new.

[00:11:05] So this was not necessarily a case.

[00:11:07] And I think that maybe when you saw him after the episode, you say, yeah, my arms find

[00:11:10] now that people are like, what the frickin hell?

[00:11:12] Well, why did they take him out then?

[00:11:15] This was a over reactionary, but right.

[00:11:18] He's only got better because he got treatment.

[00:11:22] Um, right, right, right.

[00:11:24] So that, but even so, nevertheless the point stands, he should have been able to get the

[00:11:29] MRI and then they could determine if he needed the treatment.

[00:11:32] And also maybe they would have decided, you know, they pulled him because there was this

[00:11:36] fear of a slip disk.

[00:11:38] Maybe he could have decided that, hey, there's no slip disk.

[00:11:40] I would rather stay in the game.

[00:11:42] I need treatment like he can probably get some kind of therapy while he's out there.

[00:11:45] Um, so I do think that, you know, there's still a world where he gets the MRI sees that

[00:11:51] it's not life threatening and decides to continue.

[00:11:54] Mm hmm.

[00:11:55] Yeah.

[00:11:56] It is interesting to see if like the contestants should have the ability to, okay, we are going

[00:12:02] to take this person for an MRI.

[00:12:03] I do not know how long it would take for a survivor contestant to get the MRI.

[00:12:07] I know this helicopter is involved, especially this tribe was not even going to tribal

[00:12:11] council.

[00:12:12] The incident that everybody references in Australian survivor, George actually missed

[00:12:17] a tribal council had medical immunity for a vote.

[00:12:21] That was not even the case here for Brandon.

[00:12:25] It should be it should be fine for Brandon to go get the MRI all clear, send him back

[00:12:33] into the game if that's what he wants to do.

[00:12:37] The question that I raised last night talking with Rick was, I do wonder if there's an issue

[00:12:42] here with survivors own insurance on the production of that if somebody has an issue and they

[00:12:50] have to be taken for some kind of medical exam.

[00:12:55] And then they get put back into the game like does the show open itself up to potential

[00:13:01] litigation down the road?

[00:13:03] If it turns out that there was a misdiagnosis.

[00:13:05] Well, but isn't surely the whole point of getting the further treatment is to avoid

[00:13:11] the misdiagnosis?

[00:13:12] I mean, if anything, it sounds like the misdiagnosis came initially, right?

[00:13:17] Or I guess it was actually turned out to be a correct diagnosis.

[00:13:20] Maybe there's some kind of waiver where the contestants say, I'll go back into the game.

[00:13:23] I'm signing the double indemnity waiver of like I cannot like basically this is my choice

[00:13:30] alone to go back into the game.

[00:13:33] It does seem like I mean, and there have been tweeners when Jeff has said this is your call

[00:13:37] you know, and contestants have usually opted to be removed right?

[00:13:42] But there have been times when and I can't think of any op hand where there has been a medical

[00:13:46] question.

[00:13:48] And Jeff has said, you know, this is the situation.

[00:13:51] This is the risk it's your choice.

[00:13:53] Yeah, it's just like it should be random choice.

[00:13:56] I guess when we're dealing with something that's potentially serious where that survivor

[00:14:01] that in today's world, like something you know God forbid, random ends up potentially paralyzed

[00:14:09] because of something that developed on the show.

[00:14:12] And this is like a huge media story and you know, potential like major problem for the

[00:14:19] future of survivor.

[00:14:20] So, you know, there is like an abundance of caution when they come in to deal with these

[00:14:25] things.

[00:14:26] The Brook in the Chat says something similar happened to my uncle, it could have been something

[00:14:30] neurological.

[00:14:31] I'm not shocked that they pulled him so when we're dealing with you know, something that

[00:14:35] could be part of a bigger issue one with like long lasting ramifications like you understand

[00:14:42] why they make the call that they do.

[00:14:44] Yeah, of course, it just would be nice if they could get the test that they need without

[00:14:49] necessarily pulling from the game, get more information and then make the choice.

[00:14:52] Do you think that one day they will have an MRI in Fiji?

[00:14:55] I mean, they're setting up the base camp.

[00:14:57] Why not have the field hospital?

[00:14:59] Yeah, I mean all these football stadiums, you know, they have the blue medical tent and

[00:15:03] like take it for X-rays, take them for, you know, I don't know if they have the MRI in

[00:15:08] the football stadiums, but you know, look, get a long extension court.

[00:15:11] Why not?

[00:15:12] There should be a sanctuary where MRIs happen.

[00:15:17] You'll be going to the sanctuary where you'll get a MRI of all everything in and outside

[00:15:28] your body.

[00:15:29] We're gonna, we're gonna get a full workout on everything and then you'll know and we'll

[00:15:35] send the MRI to back to your loved ones at home with today's spiraling medical costs

[00:15:40] that could eclipse the million dollar prize maybe, maybe yeah.

[00:15:44] Okay, Evan says most if not all NFL stadiums have an MRI tech inside.

[00:15:49] Stephen knew that.

[00:15:50] He's towards them all which sport is NFL?

[00:15:54] Okay.

[00:15:56] So but Brandon in the exit interview today, you know, we talked about some interesting things

[00:16:02] that Jeff spoke with Dalton.

[00:16:05] They did an interview about this episode that the rules were clarified about handing off

[00:16:10] an advantage to a person from your tribe that basically once they say the words, Stephen

[00:16:18] you are medically removed from the game.

[00:16:20] You can't give away any of your stuff.

[00:16:23] So for all future players be like, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff,

[00:16:28] just don't say it quiet.

[00:16:29] Well Brandon painted a picture for me in the exit interview where he made it sound like

[00:16:33] that he was trying to get Venus, they'd be wear advantage and that he was unable to get

[00:16:41] to his jacket in time to be able to hand out.

[00:16:45] Now what we see in the episode is that they're sitting on the beach talking.

[00:16:49] They do not appear to be scrambling but I don't know if the producers like sort of tell

[00:16:54] them, hey, that's it.

[00:16:56] This is you know, lockdown.

[00:16:58] You have to go sit on the beach because Jeff is coming.

[00:17:00] Yeah.

[00:17:01] I saw Dwight from Survivor 43 proposed this idea and I want your perspective on it where

[00:17:07] when someone is going to be medically evacuated, they get to have a private farewell conversation

[00:17:12] with each player individually because if they just, because there's so much onus on one

[00:17:18] person to be like find the time with this like big emotional moment with this scramble

[00:17:23] that's happening.

[00:17:24] Everybody is right there.

[00:17:26] Basically impossible but you know, if you like selected one or two people to talk to,

[00:17:31] that would be, but is Jeff administering this one on one like what you know, when Caleb

[00:17:36] went to go visit the tri blast season where he was like, okay, I'm going to have like

[00:17:41] one on ones with everybody.

[00:17:43] It's like a yeah, it's like, you know, there's like a little tent and they can go and then

[00:17:46] you know, they film it and the ones that make error the good ones.

[00:17:49] So it's kind of like a goodbye message for everybody.

[00:17:53] I thought he leaving us.

[00:17:55] Yeah.

[00:17:56] I mean, Vardarthy didn't have a private one on one with the Tin Man.

[00:18:00] He sent her goodbyes in front of everybody and it was a little bit rude because she made

[00:18:04] such a big deal about the scarecrow in front of the lion in front of the Tin Man.

[00:18:09] Like it was, it was honestly if you're like Tin Man, you just gave him a heart.

[00:18:13] It's probably broken considering what a big deal.

[00:18:16] Dorothy made like so scared crow.

[00:18:18] I miss you the most of all.

[00:18:22] That's all the more reason if she had the private one on ones.

[00:18:25] She would work with it.

[00:18:26] Yeah.

[00:18:27] I mean, they already have that booth that the wizard hangs out in like that would be perfect

[00:18:31] for the one on ones.

[00:18:32] Yeah.

[00:18:33] I think it's probably not ideal TV.

[00:18:35] Like maybe you have the opportunity to somebody could pass off the advantage but if Randin

[00:18:39] like had the presence of mine to know that he was probably going to get evacuated, maybe

[00:18:44] you have to all right, Venus hold my advantage just in case they pull me.

[00:18:50] Right.

[00:18:51] Right.

[00:18:52] Right.

[00:18:53] And then they don't he's like, can I have that back please?

[00:18:57] Yeah.

[00:18:58] Well, I honestly this particular advantage is interesting because that really it was just

[00:19:03] a clue to get to the box where the box really has where the idol is like the clue is

[00:19:09] Bupkis.

[00:19:10] I mean, it's kind of silly that oh, he was the holder of the clue which led him to the

[00:19:16] box but the box is where the idol is.

[00:19:21] So yeah.

[00:19:23] So what happens to that box now dead?

[00:19:25] I think it's dead.

[00:19:26] I get the sense of new clue.

[00:19:27] I asked Randin if Venus knew the location of the box and he said he did tell her but

[00:19:35] the fact that we saw her say like, Oh great.

[00:19:37] My best ally is out of the game with the advantage.

[00:19:41] It makes me feel like that that is not in play anymore got it.

[00:19:45] Okay.

[00:19:46] Okay.

[00:19:47] Well, that's too bad.

[00:19:48] Yeah.

[00:19:49] That's in the moment and then she rallied and found it the next day.

[00:19:52] Maybe we'll see.

[00:19:53] Okay.

[00:19:54] I was a little surprised that we're not going to swap for the next episode does not appear

[00:19:58] to be the case going into episode four.

[00:20:00] Yeah, it does feel like we could use a swap about now.

[00:20:03] Yeah.

[00:20:04] Last season, I thought you could go back to tribal council.

[00:20:07] I think so what do you think was going to happen at that tribal council because we got

[00:20:11] it really both ways.

[00:20:13] Q told us boy, Kenzie got off easy because she was going home.

[00:20:18] Yeah.

[00:20:20] That is interesting because when Tiffany was talking to Bano, she said I had not yet fully

[00:20:26] decided what vote I was going to cast.

[00:20:28] To me that meant she was voting for him.

[00:20:31] That's what she say when you know exactly who you were voting for and it was you.

[00:20:35] So I think that I still kind of think Bano is going home in that situation right?

[00:20:40] I mean, Q's perspective, I liked Q's perspective.

[00:20:44] I'd rather have a liability who I can kind of train up than someone who is a threat.

[00:20:48] That was an interesting perspective.

[00:20:50] Okay, good.

[00:20:51] I'd love to talk to you about that because I don't know if you can make this liability

[00:20:58] work over the course of this 26 day game.

[00:21:02] You tweeted also that your dream would be if somebody called you their fill-up.

[00:21:08] Yeah.

[00:21:09] Well, so everyone was like how insulting to call someone a fill-up?

[00:21:12] But what you did was Jeremy said to you in second chances.

[00:21:16] Stephen, I'm like the Boston Rob and you'll be my fill-up.

[00:21:21] Listen, I mean with Jeremy, honestly, whatever he said, whatever he said I would have

[00:21:25] swunged.

[00:21:26] No, I do remember though speaking of second chances and an opportunity to talk about

[00:21:29] my experience that when I was talking to Spencer, I wanted to secure him as an ally.

[00:21:37] So I said to him, oh, you'll beat me at the end because I wanted him to know like,

[00:21:42] hey, I'm safe to go to the end with you.

[00:21:44] But what he heard correctly was, oh, Stephen thinks I'll be him so he doesn't want to

[00:21:49] go to the end with me.

[00:21:51] So, and I remember too, Russell in here versus Villain said this to Jerry like, I'm going

[00:21:58] to take you with me because I can beat you.

[00:22:00] And Jerry's like great, I'm in.

[00:22:03] And it actually is you want to be with the people who think that they can beat you because

[00:22:08] they're going to stick by you.

[00:22:10] You don't want to be with the people who are worried about you beating them.

[00:22:14] Mm-hmm.

[00:22:15] Yeah, okay.

[00:22:16] So that do you like talking up Wackadoodles and say that, hey listen, hey, Wackadoodles

[00:22:23] can win.

[00:22:25] And I think what Bonu so appreciate about Q and it is funny because he's like, he's

[00:22:30] like, you're terrible but I'm taking you with me.

[00:22:32] And Bonu's like, yes, yes.

[00:22:34] I mean, it was funny Bonu's enthusiasm to be told that.

[00:22:37] Any important storm.

[00:22:38] Yeah.

[00:22:39] But I think he appreciates Q's honesty.

[00:22:41] I think like to me, I saw Bonu reeling from the sense of not knowing who he could trust.

[00:22:47] Yeah.

[00:22:48] Not having this like constant two-facedness is obviously very just, you know, disruptive

[00:22:53] for him.

[00:22:54] Yeah.

[00:22:55] I think that this is not going to work out for Q with Bonu because that I feel like

[00:22:58] that for me, the best comp that you can make with Bonu is Thai.

[00:23:04] And I feel like that there was a point when Scott Pollard and J. Skyl Jason, they were

[00:23:13] working with Thai and they were like, hey, Thai, you're with us.

[00:23:17] And okay, you're working with us and they felt like, okay, well, Thai he's our number.

[00:23:23] He's going to work with us and this is where we're giving him an option.

[00:23:27] But these players that are out there to win a million hearts where that Bonu, he's motivated

[00:23:34] by who he falls in love with.

[00:23:37] And then if he meets somebody from the other tribe, like when okay, Q is like, all right,

[00:23:42] tonight we're voting out Liz.

[00:23:45] Bonu's not going along with Q's plan.

[00:23:47] He's not going to write down the name that Q tells him to because he's going to like, I

[00:23:51] Liz, I love Liz.

[00:23:54] She is my, she's the, my, she consoled me when I was down.

[00:23:58] I can't turn my back on Liz.

[00:24:01] So that yeah, he's a liability, but he will never be that soldier for Q like he will always

[00:24:09] still do what his heart wants to do.

[00:24:12] Like you cannot take Bonu and turn him into a loyal number.

[00:24:18] I don't know if I agree with the Thai comparison, but I do see your point because Thai, I mean,

[00:24:21] Sharin wrote a great post about Thai as being like one of the most successful survivor players

[00:24:25] like of all time.

[00:24:26] I mean, obviously not having one, but just in terms of like his pure like stats as like,

[00:24:30] you know, disproportionate to how people perceive Thai like Thai is actually a stellar survivor

[00:24:35] player.

[00:24:36] And I don't feel that isn't necessarily true for Bonu.

[00:24:39] And you know, when Thai turned on Kyle and Scott, that felt like it was the result of

[00:24:46] a long series of pressures and tensions within that group.

[00:24:51] But that's it.

[00:24:52] So that's the point that Bonu is not going to be the person who like Q's whole, you know,

[00:24:56] argument in favor of Bonu is that he is a loyal vote where his Kenzie is not going to

[00:25:01] be a loyal vote.

[00:25:02] But yes, like quite the opposite.

[00:25:04] Kenzie will probably make sensible choices and you can like somewhat predict those whereas

[00:25:08] Bonu is going to make less sensible choices that are more emotionally based.

[00:25:12] Yes.

[00:25:13] And I mean, like even just the very fact of what happened at the last tribal council where

[00:25:17] he was like going person to person, you know, they had a plan in place and he's going

[00:25:21] to person to person and asking like, what should I do?

[00:25:23] What should I do?

[00:25:24] You know, that is not the like, you know, the party line voter that you want as part of

[00:25:29] your alliance.

[00:25:30] And Bonu is certainly not a fill up where to compare him to, okay, Philip just did what

[00:25:35] Boston Rob told him to.

[00:25:38] Well, Philip with somebody that he wasn't ever tempted by somebody from the other side,

[00:25:44] he hated the other side that he was more against the people from the other tribes than

[00:25:49] anybody else.

[00:25:50] And, you know, Philip that he like really loved this.

[00:25:54] Okay, so I'm a special agent.

[00:25:57] Rob is like giving me the marching orders.

[00:26:00] I'm following the like, this is the mission we're going out and following the plan.

[00:26:07] Like Philip loved all of that infrastructure.

[00:26:10] Like that's not Bonu.

[00:26:11] Here I've got, I've got who Bonu is.

[00:26:13] Bonu is the Dankeesling.

[00:26:14] He's the guy who blows up the entire alliance.

[00:26:17] Oralins the game for your team.

[00:26:24] See it?

[00:26:27] Yeah, yeah.

[00:26:28] So I don't agree with what Q is thinking in terms of the threat versus the liability.

[00:26:36] But what about if okay, so it doesn't seem like there's going to be a swap but I guess

[00:26:41] the time when I was like in the episode, I was kind of the most for it when I thought,

[00:26:47] okay, well if they are going to swap after this episode, maybe it is the move to take out

[00:26:52] Kenzie.

[00:26:53] Yeah, right, right.

[00:26:55] If you write and it's reasonable for them to think that there is going to be a swap

[00:26:58] here.

[00:26:59] And I mean, Q is argument that Kenzie is, you know, the person going to make a lot of

[00:27:04] connections and be a self-interested player.

[00:27:06] Of course, that's also like a good reason to keep Kenzie, right?

[00:27:09] I mean, that was what was so successful about the take of three was that they were able

[00:27:13] to form those cross tribal bonds.

[00:27:16] That's what you need when you're down in numbers.

[00:27:18] That's why small alliances can come back is because you have this group of people who

[00:27:23] knows how to operate and they can kind of like pick apart the other teams and stick with

[00:27:28] your core group.

[00:27:29] So I actually think that's another sort of flaw in the logic.

[00:27:33] Even if you think there's a swap, there's a lot of reason to keep the person who you

[00:27:36] have.

[00:27:37] But in practice, I don't think that there was a possibility that Kenzie could have gone

[00:27:41] home at this tribal council once Bonu lost his vote.

[00:27:45] Yeah.

[00:27:46] I don't see with if only these three people are voting with it's Kenzie, Tiffany and

[00:27:51] Q.

[00:27:52] Yeah.

[00:27:53] I don't see how Tiffany puts that second vote onto Kenzie.

[00:27:58] And I do think that there's question of the shot in the dark, which these people are

[00:28:01] obviously taking very seriously will factor into it.

[00:28:03] I mean, the fact that Bonu has no chance to inadvertently eliminate one of them, whereas

[00:28:08] Kenzie good.

[00:28:09] Yeah.

[00:28:10] So I just, I didn't see that happening.

[00:28:13] I was talking with Rick last night.

[00:28:14] I could have more seen a scenario where if Bonu and Q have their two votes, they go to Tiffany

[00:28:20] and say like, hey, where voting Kenzie?

[00:28:22] Do you really want to force a tie tonight or do you want to come with us?

[00:28:26] And so Tiffany, who I think is a pretty practical player.

[00:28:31] I think might consider in that scenario.

[00:28:34] Okay, well, do I really want to go into a rock draw potentially to save Kenzie?

[00:28:39] But in this spot, if she wants to keep you, I mean, Tiffany holds all the power.

[00:28:43] Yeah.

[00:28:44] And I mean, I think she saw Q's perspective, but obviously from her, you know, from her

[00:28:49] point of view, her relationship with Kenzie is strong.

[00:28:52] It's there.

[00:28:53] It's like, why would you sacrifice that for someone who you don't necessarily have a strong

[00:28:58] relationship with?

[00:29:00] So we would imagine this group is going to go to another tribal council along the way

[00:29:05] and that we think that Bonu is going to go out.

[00:29:08] But they were close.

[00:29:09] I mean, they truly like, they were very close.

[00:29:11] So I'm not sure I see a world where it's, you know, Siga going to or even Nami now,

[00:29:18] you know, without Brandon on the team, you know, Nami, if it's another tough physical challenge.

[00:29:22] Yeah.

[00:29:23] Okay.

[00:29:24] Let's talk a little bit about Hunter.

[00:29:26] Oh my gosh.

[00:29:27] We were very impressed where something specific that Hunter did in this episode.

[00:29:32] That move where he grabbed Kevin's legs and went over the wheel.

[00:29:35] That was incredible.

[00:29:36] Like, that was such smart in the moment thinking like they had this deficit.

[00:29:40] Like the wheel was straight.

[00:29:41] It just like grabbing it was so cool.

[00:29:43] Yeah.

[00:29:44] And then at the end, he comes out and then just just like tossing these sandbags up in

[00:29:48] the air or the wind.

[00:29:51] And you know, theoretically, there was some risk to him, you know, Venus was saying that

[00:29:55] she wanted to get Hunter out.

[00:29:57] Yeah.

[00:29:58] I don't know if there actually was risk to Hunter after talking to Brandon.

[00:30:01] It did not sound like Hunter's name was really being widely circulated.

[00:30:05] I think that Venus might have had some suspicion of Hunter, but it does not sound like

[00:30:09] that that is was widely held amongst the tribe.

[00:30:13] One of the people was tweeting like how great Hunter's backstory was.

[00:30:16] Gosh, who was it?

[00:30:17] Who tweeted this one of the, I think it was a Brian.

[00:30:20] Like that he's like his back story is like everything works perfectly for me and it all

[00:30:24] works out like I'm great at everything.

[00:30:26] Everything works out perfectly for me.

[00:30:28] I think that was a great, I was an amazing leader.

[00:30:31] And now I'm an incredible teacher.

[00:30:34] I'm great at these survivor puzzles.

[00:30:36] I'm wonderful at camp life and you know, and I'm super humble and charming too.

[00:30:39] Yeah.

[00:30:40] But isn't there another way to look at it where Hunter is a challenge hoarder?

[00:30:48] Horder?

[00:30:49] Yeah.

[00:30:50] Oh, because he had all those like stacks of challenges.

[00:30:53] Yeah.

[00:30:54] Like here, your Hunter's roommate or you know, you're walking on like a, do we maybe find

[00:31:01] a place to, what about a storage unit?

[00:31:04] What about a garage for some of this stuff?

[00:31:07] I.

[00:31:08] That might have been his garage.

[00:31:10] Oh, you think so that wasn't like his living space.

[00:31:13] It did sort of look like a living room.

[00:31:14] But you don't know.

[00:31:15] I mean, he just made up his garage really nice.

[00:31:18] A lot of stuff.

[00:31:19] I think that you know, if I had like even one but one life size survivor challenge in my

[00:31:27] home, I'm pretty sure my wife would throw it out the first time I left the house.

[00:31:33] Claire and Durian in the chat says new golden boy.

[00:31:35] I do think there are Joe vibes to Hunter, you know, in terms of how.

[00:31:39] Oh, okay.

[00:31:40] And the good, the good parts of Joe.

[00:31:41] I didn't mean I wasn't saying that.

[00:31:43] Yeah.

[00:31:44] You know, the non whatever, not the non bad parts will say.

[00:31:47] But this is why I had that reaction because that Stephen, I wanted to know if that your

[00:31:52] legal team has been engaged in discussions after we heard Liz refer to Hunter as survivor

[00:32:03] McGiver.

[00:32:04] I did.

[00:32:05] Yeah.

[00:32:06] I don't know.

[00:32:07] But yeah, I did catch honestly, I was touched by the homage.

[00:32:09] You know, it's like, what do you think it was an homage?

[00:32:11] I mean, there was no such thing as plagiarism and poetry, right?

[00:32:14] So like it's, it's like, you know, it's like a classic poetic image, right?

[00:32:20] The survivor McGiver.

[00:32:21] People don't know what I'm referring to that I believe it was the name of the episode.

[00:32:25] But back in survivor second chances, it was Stephen who originally coined Joe Anglam

[00:32:30] as the original survivor McGiver.

[00:32:32] Yeah.

[00:32:33] I mean, who knows?

[00:32:34] Like other, I might have gotten that from someone like maybe that was like, you know,

[00:32:37] maybe a producer said that maybe like Keith called him that and I was like, yeah, he's

[00:32:40] survivor McGiver.

[00:32:41] And then that happened to be the club.

[00:32:42] I don't know who knows.

[00:32:43] It's all, it's all a mish.

[00:32:45] Okay, mish mash.

[00:32:47] Better question.

[00:32:48] Who's the survivor McGroober?

[00:32:50] Bony.

[00:32:51] Only 10 more seconds in the challenge, Bony.

[00:32:56] Hurry up.

[00:32:57] But this hourglass is running out of sand, Bony.

[00:33:02] Quick, we need another square piece over here, Bony.

[00:33:07] Yeah.

[00:33:08] That's pretty good.

[00:33:10] All right.

[00:33:12] Let me ask you about the journey, Stephen.

[00:33:21] We talked about it in the first episode about the new game that they played.

[00:33:26] Well, what do you think of last night's activities on the journey?

[00:33:29] It seems like these like time pressure games are getting zero wins, which is fun.

[00:33:33] I mean, it's like fun to see them fail, you know.

[00:33:35] I drew last season was able to complete the, the, the, the, the, I think it was like

[00:33:41] some kind of like matching game, which was a combination lock.

[00:33:45] He's the only person that did it.

[00:33:46] Yeah.

[00:33:47] Well, it's nice that it's like that it's solvable.

[00:33:49] What did you think though, Rob, about the drawing rocks instead of deciding?

[00:33:53] Did you think that they should have to like choose who got to spend the rig?

[00:33:56] I mean, what, who is this for?

[00:33:57] Why are we drawing these rocks?

[00:33:59] Like give the players agency of say, okay, pick two people.

[00:34:02] If you can't pick, then draw rocks.

[00:34:05] Like why are we opening with draw rocks?

[00:34:07] Right.

[00:34:08] I mean, Bonnie was in it.

[00:34:09] It was interesting because you would think that Bonnie would be desperate to play and

[00:34:12] therefore it would be really interesting.

[00:34:14] But it, it sounded like he actually would not have played.

[00:34:18] So it would have been pretty straightforward decision.

[00:34:22] Even so like it's a decision and then it comes back to that.

[00:34:24] Oh, Bonnie chose to do this.

[00:34:25] What if he had had this advantage?

[00:34:27] You know, it becomes like a point of interest for the viewer.

[00:34:31] Yeah.

[00:34:32] We saw the players come back from the challenge.

[00:34:35] Kendall asks, how do you rate Ben's lie to his tribe?

[00:34:39] I thought it was pretty slick since the only person who could rebuke what happened is Bonnie.

[00:34:44] Yeah.

[00:34:45] And we have seen people who only have found out what happened in the voting booth.

[00:34:48] So you know, it's based on what has happened in the past in terms of survivor.

[00:34:53] And it was a reasonable thing.

[00:34:55] And because Ben, I think led so much with all the fun gossip,

[00:35:00] you know, it didn't, you know, it seemed like he was bringing something back for sure.

[00:35:03] So yeah, I think that was nice that he got to have that.

[00:35:07] He did get to come home with a lot of gossip.

[00:35:09] I think that's really, Bonu did a big favor to Liz and to Ben of that.

[00:35:14] Nobody was worried about their stories because that they're like, oh my God, Bonnie had an

[00:35:20] emotional meltdown out there.

[00:35:23] Yeah.

[00:35:24] I know everything.

[00:35:25] And I saw a lot of people on Twitter felt that it was really, you know, Liz and Ben were

[00:35:30] really lovely to him and gave him like a lot of the support and emotional, you know,

[00:35:35] how would they act in that situation?

[00:35:38] That's what I think.

[00:35:39] Like, you could act like a man.

[00:35:42] Yeah.

[00:35:43] Get up.

[00:35:44] Smot, not bono.

[00:35:45] Smot, not what do you got?

[00:35:46] Cry baby artist.

[00:35:47] But truly, you know, the reason people are mean to people is because you've lived with

[00:35:51] them for like two weeks and you're like, oh my God again, again.

[00:35:54] You know, it's not like you meet them for like, you know, five minutes with them and

[00:35:58] they're having a break.

[00:35:59] Like, Shambo goes and visits the other tribe and like, oh, Shambo, we love you.

[00:36:03] Yeah.

[00:36:04] Right.

[00:36:05] Yeah.

[00:36:06] I love you.

[00:36:07] And everybody else is like, we can't stand her.

[00:36:10] Do you have any idea what it's like?

[00:36:13] Exactly.

[00:36:14] It's like it's always that built up and all it's there's always these players who you're

[00:36:18] like, why does everybody hate Sierra?

[00:36:20] Read.

[00:36:21] Yeah.

[00:36:22] And you don't know.

[00:36:23] Like I didn't hate Sierra even I met Sierra.

[00:36:25] Even read the comments on to it like, oh Rob is so funny.

[00:36:31] Ask my wife if I'm funny.

[00:36:33] Exactly.

[00:36:34] It's a different story when you live with somebody.

[00:36:38] Yeah.

[00:36:39] Like you maybe you like this for 55 minutes on a Thursday, but what if it was 24 seven?

[00:36:46] Is there a soundboard in the relationship?

[00:36:50] Maybe that's the missing piece.

[00:36:52] I'll get it on my phone.

[00:36:53] Okay.

[00:36:54] So just going back to the journey, do you think that Bhanu?

[00:37:02] It's like I think it could go either way when he gets to emerge.

[00:37:06] Is Bhanu well received now or do you think that okay, we can't work with this person?

[00:37:12] I think you're thinking I mean, you definitely don't want to work with the guy who has an

[00:37:15] emotive.

[00:37:16] I mean, I think you like kind of give him the carrot.

[00:37:17] Like that's what you reach out to the guy who thinks everyone is out to get you and he

[00:37:21] knows he's on the bottom.

[00:37:22] Like that's the guy who tried to pull in.

[00:37:24] So they're definitely, you know, putting out the olive branch to work with Bhanu.

[00:37:28] But I don't I doubt that they're actually, you know, he's not going to be a core new

[00:37:32] member of an alliance.

[00:37:34] Yeah.

[00:37:35] Steven, do you think what is the percentage chance Bhanu is sitting at a final travel council?

[00:37:42] Oh, that's interesting.

[00:37:45] Um, it's, you know, it gets higher, right?

[00:37:47] It gets higher and higher every week.

[00:37:49] It gets to the merge.

[00:37:50] Yeah.

[00:37:51] But if you could put a percentage chance on it right now, what do you think?

[00:37:56] Gosh.

[00:37:57] Maybe four.

[00:37:58] No, that's two.

[00:37:59] I thought he's seven percent.

[00:38:00] Okay.

[00:38:01] You think how high 37?

[00:38:04] 37.

[00:38:05] I was going to say close sort of 15.

[00:38:07] I thought he's got to like make it through the next two or the next vote.

[00:38:11] Okay.

[00:38:12] Okay.

[00:38:13] Two votes.

[00:38:14] Yeah.

[00:38:15] All right.

[00:38:16] How about this?

[00:38:17] This is an interesting bet.

[00:38:18] Is Bhanu the most likely member from the Yannu tribe right now to sit?

[00:38:21] Well, in the final three.

[00:38:22] Wow.

[00:38:23] That's fun.

[00:38:24] Um, I mean, you know, Kenzie really got a ball or spot blow and up here.

[00:38:30] I have a lot and I think Tiffany is strong too.

[00:38:32] Um, I mean, you know, I'm, I'm team Q.

[00:38:35] Uh, I mean, like Bhanu's probably the like list of any single person in the game right

[00:38:40] now to sit at the final three.

[00:38:41] Yeah.

[00:38:42] I would say, yeah, that's, that's a really good point.

[00:38:45] Yeah.

[00:38:46] That's he probably is.

[00:38:48] I think that Tiffany has the most upside to potentially win the game out of that group,

[00:38:54] but you're right.

[00:38:55] I think that if we're going through everybody like I feel like that he's got a big share

[00:39:01] of potentially that zero vote finalist spot lock it up right now.

[00:39:05] Which is a great spot.

[00:39:06] A million hearts.

[00:39:08] The sea of money and zero votes.

[00:39:10] Is he giving the money to Bhanu?

[00:39:13] Definitely.

[00:39:14] Really?

[00:39:15] He's going to be moved.

[00:39:16] Definitely.

[00:39:17] Okay.

[00:39:18] Mark it down right now.

[00:39:20] Yeah.

[00:39:21] March 14th.

[00:39:22] See a money going to Bhanu.

[00:39:23] Cause like she does like, she like Jesse, you know?

[00:39:27] Like she doesn't like that.

[00:39:28] Doesn't necessarily like the sloppy players.

[00:39:31] I mean, she gave Carolyn the money.

[00:39:33] That was Kevin's carol was her like all time favorite.

[00:39:35] The carol and though, you know, great strategic game.

[00:39:38] You know, I don't think anyone like people were arguing Carolyn deserve the win over over

[00:39:42] Jam Jam.

[00:39:43] No one's arguing at this point, you know, that Bhanu is at the way.

[00:39:45] I don't mean to insult Carol, but I'm saying that like, I mean, I was on the call

[00:39:49] like Visea, like loves her as a human right?

[00:39:53] Right.

[00:39:54] So, you know, I don't think that's, I mean, see is not giving the money to Drew.

[00:39:58] Yeah.

[00:39:59] Right.

[00:40:00] So I think that you could be both.

[00:40:02] But I think that like I think that first and foremost, I think that Sia is looking for

[00:40:07] that person who is going to be like really being their authentic selves.

[00:40:12] Okay.

[00:40:13] Well, who's the most authentic person on this cast?

[00:40:16] Would you say I think I say of the know it all.

[00:40:19] Well, I'm definitely the more authentic of the know it all.

[00:40:22] Right.

[00:40:23] I mean, you are probably more likely to, you know, say what you truly feel and get in

[00:40:28] trouble for it.

[00:40:29] I have less to lose.

[00:40:30] It's one podcast for me.

[00:40:31] It's your whole, you know, it's your whole livelihood.

[00:40:34] Yeah.

[00:40:35] Yeah, that's fair.

[00:40:36] Who's the most authentic person in the cast?

[00:40:39] Yeah.

[00:40:40] I mean, I think that Bonu was like has, I was impressed that he was able to come back and

[00:40:44] lie to Tiffany and to Kenzie.

[00:40:47] Yeah.

[00:40:48] What is the, he should have like come back with like the Rupert Rock in his pocket.

[00:40:51] Right.

[00:40:52] Oh God.

[00:40:53] Something here.

[00:40:54] Mm hmm.

[00:40:55] Yeah.

[00:40:56] What could they have done if you would have presented that he had an extra vote?

[00:41:00] You know, he's just like, I don't know what is the move, not the Bonu move, but like

[00:41:06] the correct move if you're, you know, for anybody coming to you.

[00:41:09] Do you want to present that you have an idol when you come back?

[00:41:13] I mean, yeah, I think you want like nebulous powers.

[00:41:16] Yeah.

[00:41:17] I think that maybe if I'm Bonu, maybe I want to like sort of like keep it vague enough and

[00:41:21] then get the one on one with Q and then sort of like, okay, what are we doing?

[00:41:25] Yeah.

[00:41:26] I got this idol here.

[00:41:27] Like, what's the plan?

[00:41:28] Mm hmm.

[00:41:29] Because you know, we can a back channel it and then, um, oh, you know, of course that,

[00:41:32] that risk, they try to flush the idol.

[00:41:34] And then but, but, uh, yeah.

[00:41:37] Yeah.

[00:41:38] I mean, really you would just be trying to fake out Tiffany to think, okay, well, I got

[00:41:41] to put the vote on Kenzie tonight because I don't want to deal with Bonu and his idol.

[00:41:46] Yeah.

[00:41:47] Um, well, right.

[00:41:49] That means that's what you're hoping for.

[00:41:50] Yeah, exactly.

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[00:42:31] Let's take some questions from the listeners here, okay?

[00:42:36] Um, all right.

[00:42:38] Hardly japhine wants to know with Brandon.

[00:42:40] Go what's the best move for Venus, Stephen?

[00:42:43] I find someone else is fine to different ally.

[00:42:48] Liz, praise the murder.

[00:42:49] As Coach one said.

[00:42:51] Yeah.

[00:42:52] Hey, I need to give Liz you got to check out Liz's Twitter.

[00:42:53] She's very, very funny and self deprecating about the whole money thing and her profile

[00:43:00] emojis are.

[00:43:01] I thought we're very humorous.

[00:43:02] So what I was I started the Liz bandwagon.

[00:43:07] I'm no, I'm not, you know, Liz Wilcox 88.

[00:43:11] I think it's something the Liz Wilcox 88.

[00:43:14] There he is.

[00:43:15] Yeah, the Liz Wilcox 88.

[00:43:16] Very, very humorous and self deprecating and self-aware.

[00:43:19] Yeah.

[00:43:20] I mean, listen, I know.

[00:43:21] Yeah.

[00:43:22] So, all right.

[00:43:23] Um, okay.

[00:43:24] How about a question?

[00:43:27] All right.

[00:43:28] This is from Aaron, Aaron Flea Spirling.

[00:43:32] Who's the most difficult tribe mate, Stephen has had to work with Alabano and is it worth

[00:43:36] to keep somebody like them in the game if they potentially can't win?

[00:43:40] Um, I mean, obviously it's Abby.

[00:43:43] Uh, I don't think, I mean, I think Abby is, I think harder to work within Bono because

[00:43:48] when Bono is paranoid he just becomes an absolute mess.

[00:43:51] When Abby is paranoid, she like tries to turn it on you.

[00:43:55] You know, she like tries to take out her allies like first.

[00:43:58] Um, and then you know, to like has like, it's like a total scorpion in the frog thing

[00:44:02] where like the people who are helping her, she inevitably stows.

[00:44:04] Um, and so definitely Abby, what was the question?

[00:44:09] Like, oh, is it possible to keep them in the game?

[00:44:12] I listen, I think that's where Boston Rob's incredible success was, is that he had the ability

[00:44:18] to bring Philip with him.

[00:44:19] I think for most normal players and I would count myself among that.

[00:44:22] Yeah, I don't think I would have that capability.

[00:44:24] But I just think that like the all these players are, are unique in different, in different

[00:44:30] ways.

[00:44:31] Like, uh, that, and I'm not saying that there aren't other players that are like them,

[00:44:35] but Abby is not Philip is not Bono.

[00:44:38] Like they, they are three like very different types of people and that there are other

[00:44:44] like archetypes of a player that are like more similar.

[00:44:47] But it's just you can't just, there's not one category of players who could be liabilities

[00:44:53] and then you put them all in this one box.

[00:44:55] But there are players who are not going to, I mean, I do think it's not crazy that

[00:44:58] when, if you are playing the game of survivor, you're thinking these are the people who act

[00:45:01] predictably, these are the people who act unmitively.

[00:45:03] In general, I would almost rather have like a predictable enemy on an unpredictable ally.

[00:45:09] Yeah.

[00:45:10] So, you know, in survivor, the Amazon, if I may for a moment, um, you know, there were probably

[00:45:15] a few of these players that were around where, uh, you had Matthew who was probably, you

[00:45:21] know, similar to like a Philip.

[00:45:22] Like he was like a pretty loyal soldier until he wasn't about like, okay, he was looking

[00:45:28] for, okay, what are we doing?

[00:45:31] You had Butch who was a loyal soldier, but you didn't know what he was going to necessarily

[00:45:35] say or do with the other players.

[00:45:38] You had Christie who certainly like had her own ideas about the game and but was not necessarily

[00:45:44] going to take orders if she didn't feel with her heart that that was the right decision.

[00:45:50] So all these players, it's really about understanding what motivates each of them and then can I

[00:45:58] be consistently giving them and Rob is a master of that.

[00:46:01] He'd watch him on dealer, no deal Island.

[00:46:02] We podcasted every week that he knows like what these people want.

[00:46:06] Okay.

[00:46:07] Do they want the big brother?

[00:46:08] Do they want the father figure?

[00:46:10] Do they want the bro like a witch of these things?

[00:46:13] Am I giving to people and then he's able to consistently give them what they need to keep

[00:46:18] them moving in the direction he wants them to move?

[00:46:21] That is.

[00:46:22] And I think that is like the best survivor players are like have that strategy.

[00:46:26] Like they're thinking like emotionally what each person is looking for.

[00:46:29] And Ethan's on.

[00:46:30] I remember he told me that before when I under company, I did a terrible job with that,

[00:46:34] but I do think you need to.

[00:46:36] That is like, that's what the best players do.

[00:46:37] It's like, Surrey is great at that too.

[00:46:39] Yeah.

[00:46:40] Exactly.

[00:46:41] I'm going to be the type of person that, you know, I need to be in this relationship to

[00:46:46] help keep things going my way.

[00:46:48] Who do you need to be in this relationship, Rob?

[00:46:52] Look, this is very easy to do this with Steven that we have been doing this for what

[00:47:00] is this now?

[00:47:01] We started this in 2012.

[00:47:02] So this is 12 years of doing the survivor know it all.

[00:47:06] If I didn't love doing this with Steven, like it could not have gone on this long.

[00:47:11] Steven would have quit.

[00:47:13] You would have, you get a lot of a lot of other guest hosts who, you know, happy to step in.

[00:47:18] It's true all of you.

[00:47:19] It's my spot.

[00:47:21] Yeah.

[00:47:22] And we're able to like, bend them off because I love doing this podcast with Steven so much.

[00:47:28] Yeah.

[00:47:29] Yeah.

[00:47:30] And that's what keeps everybody coming back.

[00:47:31] Yeah.

[00:47:32] Well, this is very fun.

[00:47:33] I'm starting to sound valid victory.

[00:47:36] Like this has been so far up.

[00:47:37] Are you wrapping up?

[00:47:38] Is this it?

[00:47:39] Are you conceiting the podcast tonight?

[00:47:43] Justin Feinberg wants to know for Steven.

[00:47:46] How many hearts did Steven win playing survivor?

[00:47:48] I think I lost hearts, you know, I think that's quite the opposite.

[00:47:51] You're like, oh, no, I started liking him, but I don't think that that's the case.

[00:47:59] I mean, you won many fans hearts for them to vote you back into Cambodia.

[00:48:03] Yeah, but then I lost them.

[00:48:05] That's what I'm saying.

[00:48:06] You know, I like started negative, you know, slowly through podcasting and tweeting.

[00:48:10] I won people's peace hearts and lost them all again.

[00:48:12] And now I'm like building it up again.

[00:48:14] What about we didn't talk about Gem here.

[00:48:17] Gem found the bigger gem down the idol.

[00:48:18] I thought that the most odd thing about this was that survivor flashed back to this from

[00:48:25] this was it's four days ago on the screen at SEGA.

[00:48:29] Yeah, but that's like asynchronous storytelling.

[00:48:31] It's very, you know, it's like very novelistic.

[00:48:33] I guess so, but why?

[00:48:34] I mean, for our purposes, like she could have just found the idol on day six.

[00:48:39] I mean, did it change anything for us of knowing that she had the idol on day two versus

[00:48:43] day six?

[00:48:44] You would say just pretend.

[00:48:46] I mean, they certainly haven't passed.

[00:48:47] They certainly haven't the past.

[00:48:48] Like, for example, Hunter this episode, you know, I think someone, someone noted that

[00:48:52] was where did he get the rope?

[00:48:55] Yeah, yes, I saw that.

[00:48:56] He wanted in the challenge.

[00:48:58] Right.

[00:48:59] And it's fine.

[00:49:00] Like, I, that when it, when it matters, when it makes sense, like don't show us like a

[00:49:07] conversation that happened on day 12 to explain, like the vote that's happening in episode

[00:49:12] two.

[00:49:13] You know, I think that that sort of like disingenuous, but I think that they, like this

[00:49:18] was I'm not really understanding why they did it this way.

[00:49:22] I'm not complaining.

[00:49:23] I just don't want to understand why it was so important to have been.

[00:49:27] I have this, I'll be a flashback to four days ago.

[00:49:30] Was this like a genius move?

[00:49:32] Like the genius, you know, not like a genius move, but like the genius.

[00:49:36] Well, usually these genius things end up like changing our perspective.

[00:49:40] Oh, that changes everything that now I know that piece of information.

[00:49:44] Like, oh, Stephen, how did it change for you?

[00:49:47] The Metallica versus Taylor Swift battle knowing that Gem had the beware advantage in the pocket

[00:49:54] the whole time.

[00:49:56] That's very funny.

[00:49:57] I didn't even think about that.

[00:49:58] Yeah, all the things we have to go back and reconsider.

[00:50:00] Mm-hmm.

[00:50:01] Yeah.

[00:50:02] So good for Gem.

[00:50:03] You know, she's been kind of quiet through three episodes.

[00:50:06] Happy that she has an advantage.

[00:50:08] I mean, looking forward to seeing the other tribes have to play survive for at some point.

[00:50:13] Yeah.

[00:50:14] That would be interesting.

[00:50:15] It would very, very, very, what do you think?

[00:50:17] Do you like it though when there's like one because from a narrative perspective, there's

[00:50:21] something to be said for.

[00:50:23] This is the focus.

[00:50:24] We kind of get a little bit of bits and pieces of the others and then they, you know,

[00:50:26] because we're still learning everybody, learning about their relationships and having like one

[00:50:30] kind of narrative focus makes it very easy to like get in deep on this group and then

[00:50:35] we can learn more about the others as the season goes on.

[00:50:37] Yeah, I like it on paper and I think it worked better last season where, you know, you had

[00:50:42] like such an epic tribal council with that third tribal council that Lulu went to with

[00:50:47] Sabaya and having to burn the candle.

[00:50:49] And so they're kept being additional layers.

[00:50:52] They had the first tribal council where Hannah quit and then, so that was not even like

[00:50:57] a real tribal council.

[00:50:59] And then it was like the tension was like building.

[00:51:02] But here I don't know necessarily like maybe we would have gotten that exciting tribal

[00:51:07] council where Q was trying to pull off this move to save Kenzie but ultimately the way

[00:51:11] that it worked out.

[00:51:12] I just feel like that this was not super exciting in terms of like what ultimately ended up

[00:51:19] happening in the episode.

[00:51:21] And you know, what are they going to do?

[00:51:22] It's a meta vac and so they only, they have everything planned out.

[00:51:27] So, you know, I would have loved to have seen a tribal council but what, you know, you can't

[00:51:32] do it.

[00:51:33] Do anything about it.

[00:51:34] Yeah.

[00:51:35] Yeah.

[00:51:36] Who gets the fish in this week?

[00:51:37] I have two options and I want to talk through them.

[00:51:38] Okay.

[00:51:39] And tell me if I'm forgetting someone.

[00:51:40] Yes, three because jam got the beware advantage, you know, a week ago.

[00:51:44] Two episodes ago.

[00:51:46] So Q I thought.

[00:51:47] There should be some premiere.

[00:51:49] Yeah.

[00:51:50] Yeah.

[00:51:51] Q did a good job.

[00:51:53] I thought even though they didn't go to a vote, even though he didn't have a plan come

[00:51:56] through of keeping Bano, you know, connected and grounded and connected to tribe and certainly

[00:52:01] connected to him.

[00:52:03] I think though because I think I gave it a Q last week that it should go to Liz because

[00:52:08] I do think the move of the episode was Liz picking Bano to go on reward.

[00:52:14] Oh, interesting.

[00:52:15] On the journey.

[00:52:16] Yeah.

[00:52:17] Do you think that she had any sort of a presence of mine?

[00:52:19] I guess that she was sitting out of the last challenge and so she was able to really observe

[00:52:24] the whatever was going on in the challenge from last week with the arch challenge.

[00:52:32] So I guess it is possible that Liz was like keenly aware of what was going on with Bano

[00:52:38] from the way that he was getting so emotional during the last challenge.

[00:52:41] Yeah, and the person you want to pick typically, and tell me if you disagree is the person who

[00:52:46] is like the most troublesome for the tribe, right?

[00:52:49] The person who is going, you think that they want to eliminate or the person who, you

[00:52:53] know, like in token chains, we would often like pick coach because we kind of got the

[00:52:57] sense that they were or Brendan because we kind of got the sense that there was like

[00:52:59] a Brendan coach thing, you know?

[00:53:02] So you want to increase problems for the other tribes.

[00:53:06] Yeah.

[00:53:07] I don't know was a really good pick for that because he could have increased problems,

[00:53:12] had he gotten an advantage and he had this meltdown where he totally spilled the beans.

[00:53:19] Yeah.

[00:53:20] I think that that's actually a very outside of the box call for the fishy.

[00:53:23] I'm on board with it.

[00:53:25] All right.

[00:53:26] Fishy for Liz.

[00:53:27] Good for Liz.

[00:53:28] Okay.

[00:53:29] The G gamer wants to know do you think that Bano can recover like Emily in survivor 45?

[00:53:33] No.

[00:53:34] I think there's a pretty big difference between those two and Emily lost.

[00:53:38] So did she recover?

[00:53:40] But yeah, no, Emily, you know, just needed to and it's true.

[00:53:44] It is an interesting comparison.

[00:53:45] Emily who's like, you know, started with his like total hostility to the tribe on the

[00:53:49] outs, you know, couldn't stop telling, you know, people strategy and then gets this kind

[00:53:56] of motivating speech from a coach figure and then is kind of like has the self awareness

[00:54:04] to reel it in.

[00:54:07] Does Bano have this self awareness?

[00:54:08] He's gotten the speech and it's so far does not seem like he's had that kind of awareness

[00:54:13] of, you know, if anything, he was complaining to Ben and Liz that they're calling me emotional

[00:54:21] over there.

[00:54:22] Mm hmm.

[00:54:23] You know, yeah.

[00:54:24] I'm not.

[00:54:25] That was the point in which my 10 year old son yelled at the television and you're proving

[00:54:31] their point.

[00:54:32] I don't know.

[00:54:37] I don't know if we're doing a good job or bad job parenting.

[00:54:41] Okay.

[00:54:42] Ryan Erwin wants to know what do you think of Charlie's chances?

[00:54:45] I feel like he's being set up as a big player.

[00:54:47] Are you seeing that, Stephen?

[00:54:49] Yeah.

[00:54:50] I mean, Charlie seems great.

[00:54:51] Last week you and I agreed that we felt like that Maria was in the best position from in

[00:54:57] terms of our reading of the ad it was a quiet night for Maria.

[00:55:01] Yeah.

[00:55:02] And Charlie is right there with Maria too.

[00:55:03] I mean, the two of them are at the center of the tribe.

[00:55:05] You know, we're certainly seeing Charlie perform well in challenges, you know, to whatever

[00:55:09] if that's good or not.

[00:55:10] And he seems to be doing really well.

[00:55:12] But yeah, I think Charlie is probably a big player on the season.

[00:55:15] Okay.

[00:55:16] All right.

[00:55:17] From Bella wants to know why did Jim throw the box in the bushes rather than rebury it?

[00:55:22] Do you think someone else will spot it before she can get back to it?

[00:55:25] Well, honestly, like this finding the box, if Venus can't open the box without her,

[00:55:30] without the thing, like just even need to hide it?

[00:55:33] I guess she doesn't want people to know that she has it.

[00:55:36] You know why someone to stumble on the box itself accidentally?

[00:55:39] Like that's not great.

[00:55:40] Not ideal.

[00:55:41] Okay.

[00:55:42] I guess you couldn't take the box.

[00:55:43] Could you move the box?

[00:55:44] I don't know.

[00:55:45] You could move the box.

[00:55:46] Yeah.

[00:55:47] You could hide the box from the other person.

[00:55:48] And then Jim was like, did anybody see?

[00:55:53] I had a cube.

[00:55:55] But yay big.

[00:55:59] So you think it's interesting because you couldn't take someone's idol and hide it from

[00:56:02] them.

[00:56:03] That would be against the rules of the game.

[00:56:05] You think you could take the box because it's not that person's.

[00:56:09] I think that that would be something that had to clarify the rule on.

[00:56:13] Yeah.

[00:56:14] Yeah.

[00:56:15] If I find your idol, and you've buried your idol, I find it and I move it.

[00:56:21] Like that's not kosher.

[00:56:23] I don't think so.

[00:56:24] Okay.

[00:56:25] Take someone.

[00:56:26] I mean, I don't know.

[00:56:27] What they don't tell anybody?

[00:56:28] Obviously it happens.

[00:56:29] People take people's stuff for bags and move things around.

[00:56:32] I don't think you could hide someone else's like taken idol from someone's bag.

[00:56:36] What if I tell anybody and I never admit it?

[00:56:40] Like, did that happen?

[00:56:41] I think you could probably.

[00:56:42] I mean, Ty was like, I was talking about like hiding the machete is like a potential

[00:56:46] source.

[00:56:47] Like, can't follow me out.

[00:56:48] I'm the only one who knows where the machete is.

[00:56:50] But I think that you honestly probably could hide tribe stuff more than you could hide someone's

[00:56:57] individual possessions.

[00:56:58] But you just did it and didn't know the cameras weren't around.

[00:57:01] I mean, with the producers like interrogate us one by one of like who moved?

[00:57:05] Would they give somebody a new idol?

[00:57:07] If they lost it, gosh, that's funny.

[00:57:09] I don't know.

[00:57:10] I don't know.

[00:57:11] And it didn't happen on TV so I think they'd be annoyed that this potential thing was not

[00:57:16] even usable for television.

[00:57:18] How do you explain it to the audience other than a confession like, so I lost the idol?

[00:57:22] Yeah.

[00:57:23] Okay.

[00:57:24] So I have a question with Steven and Kendall wants to know, does the Claire sit out rules stop

[00:57:30] the tribes from getting too small?

[00:57:32] If one tribe gets down to two people it forces other tribes to sit out players multiple

[00:57:36] challenges in a row.

[00:57:38] What?

[00:57:39] You know what?

[00:57:40] Kendall brought something up.

[00:57:42] I'm going to pivot from Kendall's question.

[00:57:46] Is the sit out rule working?

[00:57:47] And like are you almost worked?

[00:57:50] And the fact that they could, you know, you can't just sit out the same people.

[00:57:53] I think, you know, we definitely saw, you know, some people who might have, you know,

[00:57:57] Venus struggling in the swim, right?

[00:57:59] She was going, you know, she was swimming.

[00:58:01] She was doing the backstroke.

[00:58:02] She and someone else were doing the backstroke.

[00:58:05] And I was like, you tested me.

[00:58:07] You were a nori to this.

[00:58:09] You know, the backstroke, you're not you're not motoring anywhere on the backstroke

[00:58:13] at least, you know, though they weren't.

[00:58:16] I think Hunter actually sort of like helped a few of them along on the swim.

[00:58:20] I think Hunter helped me in this long.

[00:58:22] So and as a result of that, Yannu had a, you know, was it it?

[00:58:26] You know, and it was only through Hunter's incredible ballsmanship that they were, that

[00:58:30] they were nommied was able to come back at all.

[00:58:32] So it did seem like it could, it could have helped.

[00:58:36] Yeah.

[00:58:37] Stephen, were you buying the queue was going to put his name out there for consideration

[00:58:41] to get voted out by the tribe or do you think that he was?

[00:58:44] I don't like that.

[00:58:45] I think that was sincere in the moment, but yeah, it was obviously very, you know, when

[00:58:49] the athletes are quitting, then something is going wrong.

[00:58:51] Oh my God.

[00:58:52] Oh my God.

[00:58:53] Could you imagine Twitter today?

[00:58:55] If you would have said, Hey, everybody, I lost the challenge vote me out.

[00:59:01] Yeah.

[00:59:02] I think it was just like a moment, like a low moment.

[00:59:03] Like these poor people have had just consistent losses.

[00:59:08] No food, no fire.

[00:59:09] They also had a particularly bad rain storm that there was a, the secret scene.

[00:59:15] It was a scene of floating around basically there was like a monsoon that hit the beaches

[00:59:20] on the night of day six.

[00:59:23] So that when they're waking up and they were like sleeping underneath that rock, that all

[00:59:28] the tribes were hit by a huge rain storm.

[00:59:32] And so Rick Devons was speculating on the podcast last night that they got tarps because

[00:59:36] bad weather was expected, but they had just been hit by bad weather.

[00:59:40] So I think that that tarp was especially desired.

[00:59:44] Right, right.

[00:59:45] And I mean, you know, to go for a week on survivor with zero fire, that's hard.

[00:59:49] That's really hard.

[00:59:51] Yeah.

[00:59:52] Okay.

[00:59:53] Steven, anything else for you going into week four?

[00:59:56] No, very fun.

[00:59:58] I'm liking it.

[00:59:59] You know, it's a great, it's a great show.

[01:00:01] Well, the survivors are good show.

[01:00:02] I was disappointed that there was no Tevin tonight.

[01:00:05] Yeah, we got some different people all the way around.

[01:00:08] So yeah, not a lot from Tevin.

[01:00:10] Not a big soda week either.

[01:00:12] Yeah.

[01:00:13] Yeah.

[01:00:14] Tevin's earning on soda next week.

[01:00:15] I mean, you know, you can never trust the preview, but that's, uh, mm hmm.

[01:00:17] Well, that was one of things in speaking with Randin that, you know, we've seen soda

[01:00:22] in a relatively secure position in the tribe, but Randin said that he was feeling like

[01:00:28] that soda was a target and he felt like that he was really putting soda's name out there

[01:00:34] with Tevin.

[01:00:35] Oh, wow.

[01:00:36] Interesting.

[01:00:37] Yeah.

[01:00:38] Great job here by, uh, Steven Fishback.

[01:00:41] Yeah.

[01:00:42] And Liz and Liz.

[01:00:44] Okay.

[01:00:44] Fishy for Liz.

[01:00:46] Uh, we have coming up in a just a little bit.

[01:00:49] We are going to have our this week in survivor history trivia quiz each week.

[01:00:54] I'm taking on a Titan of trivia from the new era.

[01:00:57] And this week I took on Brando.

[01:01:00] Whoa.

[01:01:01] No Pokemon questions.

[01:01:03] Uh, you'll find out that's going to come on live right after this.

[01:01:06] And then at 3 30 we got such a busy day here on the YouTube channel.

[01:01:10] It's like a network, okay?

[01:01:12] We've got the amazing race recap.

[01:01:14] Amazing race kicked off season 36 Ghost Island on last night.

[01:01:18] So I'll have a recap with, uh, Jessica Lease and Mike Bloom.

[01:01:22] That's going to be at 3 30 Eastern.

[01:01:24] So watch that.

[01:01:25] We also talked with Sandra, uh, Pooja and I caught up with the queen Sandra last night.

[01:01:31] And so that was a very fun podcast.

[01:01:33] Uh, check that one out.

[01:01:34] And then we've got love is blind coverage live tonight at 9 p.m.

[01:01:38] of the reunion show.

[01:01:39] Whoa, you ever watched that one?

[01:01:41] No.

[01:01:42] Okay.

[01:01:43] Uh, a lot of controversy really.

[01:01:45] Yes.

[01:01:48] Hey, question for you.

[01:01:49] We didn't talk about the scene between Bonu and Kenzie when Bonu goes to Kenzie and

[01:01:53] it's like, help me.

[01:01:54] I don't know what I'm doing in Kenzie's like, okay, I'm willing to talk to you,

[01:01:57] but you have to give me ideas.

[01:01:59] Like, and Bonu was like, how outrageous.

[01:02:01] How could we even talk about mermaid dragon?

[01:02:02] How do we talk about mermaid?

[01:02:04] Dragon.

[01:02:06] Yeah.

[01:02:09] Dr. Amanda had a very funny tweet, which was like above the waist, I too,

[01:02:12] in my mermaid.

[01:02:13] Yeah, that's very funny.

[01:02:14] Yes,

[01:02:14] picks of a mermaid are not above the waist.

[01:02:18] Yes.

[01:02:18] Yes.

[01:02:20] I, but I did get what are you saying?

[01:02:22] Yeah.

[01:02:23] But I don't, um,

[01:02:27] you got to participate.

[01:02:28] You can't just be the one like asking for a person tribe is like, okay.

[01:02:31] So what do you want to do?

[01:02:32] Are we voting out?

[01:02:33] Like, are we voting out?

[01:02:34] Q or we voting out Tiffany?

[01:02:37] Yeah.

[01:02:37] It's like a very, it's like one or the other.

[01:02:40] You know, and Bonu's like, I can't you, how could I, how could I, how dare you ask

[01:02:44] me to throw out a name?

[01:02:46] What's wrong?

[01:02:46] You know, but that's why that's again, that's why we love Bonu.

[01:02:49] Yeah.

[01:02:49] So I talked about the weather.

[01:02:52] I do feel like that after these sort of like cold rainy nights on survivor,

[01:02:58] I think that that is when you do see players and people like at their lowest.

[01:03:02] And so when, when Bonu is like in that very emotional, like I guess for us,

[01:03:08] it's played as though, okay, he went from the tribal council where he was very

[01:03:13] unsure about his position.

[01:03:14] I feel like such a fool to it's the next morning.

[01:03:17] The part we didn't see in the episode was that they got monsoon dawn for eight or nine

[01:03:24] hours.

[01:03:25] And so he's looking like especially disheveled like everybody's in a very low

[01:03:31] low, low, low point in their survivor playing careers like at that point.

[01:03:39] Yes, that's a great point, Rob.

[01:03:41] Like that is really like that's such a good observation that you know, after you

[01:03:45] and then he said I didn't get any sleep.

[01:03:47] Like after those long impossibly, those nights are so long.

[01:03:51] You say eight hours.

[01:03:52] You're like, okay, eight hours.

[01:03:53] That's not that long.

[01:03:53] Eight hours being monsoon dawn in the cold, you know, is that's actually seven thousand

[01:03:59] hours.

[01:03:59] Yeah.

[01:04:00] And also like I don't know if you ever had this experience of having to go to tribal council

[01:04:05] in the rain, but it was like one of the worst experiences from survivor where that

[01:04:12] you know, we got into the rainy season in the Amazon.

[01:04:15] And I think it was like we went to the tribal council.

[01:04:18] I think why won't say what like when Heidi got voted off?

[01:04:20] So there's like very late in the game is like day 36 and then you know, you're doing

[01:04:24] a lot of like standing around and waiting and you're just getting poured on and you, you

[01:04:29] know, you have to just stand there.

[01:04:30] You're waiting for the camera crews to get rolling and their whole operation is slowed

[01:04:35] down because of the rain.

[01:04:36] So you end up like getting like far more exposed to the rain by having to go to tribal

[01:04:43] council also in dead weather.

[01:04:45] And so that can also contribute to why maybe even Q is like especially down at this point

[01:04:51] in the game.

[01:04:52] Yeah.

[01:04:52] And it really does.

[01:04:53] And it messes with your head too, you know, I mean, you're not making rational decisions.

[01:04:57] You're exhausted, you know, you're not thinking straight your body is sort of like shutting

[01:05:01] down almost.

[01:05:02] Yeah.

[01:05:03] Here.

[01:05:04] This is an interesting question.

[01:05:05] What was the worst survivor night for Rob's?

[01:05:06] I mean, for you, Steven had to have been well, I guess we have a couple of options.

[01:05:11] But I'm thinking gastrointestinal distress.

[01:05:13] Yeah.

[01:05:14] That was like truly the word because that was a monsoon.

[01:05:18] That was crazy.

[01:05:19] I mean, and then so I was like, like my clothes were drenched, but like I didn't even take

[01:05:24] them.

[01:05:25] I wouldn't even, but I didn't want to go out into the monsoon and get them more drenched.

[01:05:28] So I would like strip off my clothes, walk naked into the jungle, be sick, walk back,

[01:05:34] like put on my clothes, my tribe, everyone in my tribe is having the worst night of their

[01:05:37] lives.

[01:05:38] And I had to like go into that monsoon again and again because I was so sick.

[01:05:43] And they all thought that I had like some secret stat like Jeremy was like, because I had

[01:05:47] just come back from, you know, I got the tube and they were all had thought I thought I

[01:05:52] was going to like the club condo, you know, club condo.

[01:05:54] So that was it.

[01:05:55] Like they didn't even like have that much sympathy for you.

[01:05:58] Yeah.

[01:05:59] I was going to also, I know you've been to exile Island overnight and also so you've had

[01:06:03] some rough ones.

[01:06:04] I would say that night that I described of coming home from tribal council in the rain

[01:06:08] was particularly bad.

[01:06:10] There was also a night on survivor All Stars where and we had actually just gotten

[01:06:15] a tarp that we had won the Home Depot shelter building challenge.

[01:06:21] And we got a tarp.

[01:06:22] We had not hung it up yet.

[01:06:24] And so we ended up, we were all this was like the night that like I think Jerry Mathy

[01:06:29] was like, it's not worth it.

[01:06:31] It's not worth it.

[01:06:32] So it was probably worse for some of the other tribes but we were just basically like it

[01:06:37] rain and thunder and lightning like all night long.

[01:06:40] And it was me and the entire tribe just like underneath like the tarp on the ground.

[01:06:48] And it was just like the most disgusting situation of like just be like under like with these

[01:06:55] like like there's like all this wetness going on outside.

[01:06:58] It was rather humid and muggy underneath that tarp.

[01:07:04] It was not a lot of sleeping going on.

[01:07:07] So there's some rough nights out there on survivor.

[01:07:10] You know, we couldn't joke around about survivor is soft and whatever.

[01:07:14] And I think that you could do a hundred days standing on your head when there's no rain.

[01:07:18] But yeah, the elements are the great equalizer on survivor.

[01:07:21] Yeah.

[01:07:22] Apparently that's what like Randy said on here is Bill of the ones was like, we didn't

[01:07:25] even, you know, didn't rain in good bone like this but we didn't even play.

[01:07:27] I didn't even count like because it was like so much harder when it's when it's pouring

[01:07:31] down on you.

[01:07:32] Yeah.

[01:07:33] All right.

[01:07:34] Steven, where can people keep up with you?

[01:07:35] Just follow me here every week.

[01:07:37] I'll be a Thursday is around to wish.

[01:07:39] Yeah.

[01:07:40] Okay, I want to check in with, we'll love to see what Steven's thinking about all

[01:07:46] week.

[01:07:47] This week you came for the green yellow red resistance bands.

[01:07:54] It's crazy.

[01:07:55] I haven't countered this in the wild.

[01:07:56] So what's going on with the resistance bands?

[01:07:58] At least with like perform better resistance bands and I apparently each resistance band

[01:08:01] what apparently every resistance band has its like own set of tears which is also crazy.

[01:08:06] But it's like the easiest is yellow.

[01:08:08] Like what?

[01:08:09] Like, and then the second easiest is red.

[01:08:11] And then green is one step harder than that.

[01:08:12] And then blue like green means go red means stop.

[01:08:16] It's like why mess with it in game design?

[01:08:20] People who you know, mess with that like fundamental idea of a green as go red as stop.

[01:08:25] Like we all stick, you know, everyone knows that don't don't reinvent the wheel here.

[01:08:30] It's considered bad design if don't why why would why would yellow be the easiest?

[01:08:36] Why would green be the next easy makes no sense?

[01:08:39] It's a defensive.

[01:08:40] It's really offensive and that's just in one brand.

[01:08:43] Like apparently other brands have different, you know, different metrics.

[01:08:45] Yes.

[01:08:46] Okay.

[01:08:47] All right.

[01:08:48] Yeah.

[01:08:49] This is Steven's platform.

[01:08:50] We want uniformity on all the resistance bands.

[01:08:53] No, I doesn't have to be but like green should be the easiest.

[01:08:56] Okay.

[01:08:57] That's so straightforward.

[01:08:58] Unless there's a reason if there's some reason that like yellows the easiest please tell

[01:09:03] me because they would.

[01:09:05] Dreamy from this anger.

[01:09:06] Okay.

[01:09:07] And then you would mention this and Kendall mentions it in the chat.

[01:09:10] And then what's going on with the New York Times?

[01:09:12] Was this like a word all thing?

[01:09:14] The connections puzzle, which is a very fun game.

[01:09:16] I think it's like only like a couple months old yellow is the easiest then green then

[01:09:23] then blue and then purple and it's basically the resistance band metric and it's crazy.

[01:09:27] Okay.

[01:09:28] Yeah.

[01:09:29] La La Lauren says these tears are whack a doodle.

[01:09:32] Wack a doodle.

[01:09:33] Thank you.

[01:09:34] La La Lauren.

[01:09:35] Yep.

[01:09:36] All right.

[01:09:37] That was a fun one.

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