Summer of Survivor | Season Defining Moments 2

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[00:00:56] Hi everybody and welcome back to the Summer of Survivor. My name is Mike Blume and even though it's a new month, we're talking about an old topic. All the best Survivors themes have sequels and we're bringing you one today as we bring you the second part

[00:01:14] of finding the defining moments of each Survivor season. Of course, I am not alone. Of course, bringing in someone who is by my side every week here on the Summer of Survivor. Bingo Balls at the ready.

[00:01:24] It is the Baroness of Bingo Balls, the one, the only Shannon Goss. Yes, we're back with the Bingo Balls. There is no point to the Bingo Balls because we're gonna try to slash. We're definitely getting through every season left. So we could not have Bingo Balls.

[00:01:39] But then what would be the point of Survivor Bingo Balls? Which is what this was once erroneously made the artwork for in part one. We didn't have to wait 10 years for part two. And here we are.

[00:01:50] Exactly. It is the rare sequel that does not take a decade to age to mature on Ghost Island. But we are so excited. Of course, Rob is not able to make it. But we brought in one hell of a substitute. Out and out Survivor expert.

[00:02:04] You know him from these YouTube streams. But we are bringing them into the Summer of Survivor. It is the one, the only Peridium. Coming to you live from my... No, I'm not gonna do that. Yes, the coup is happening, everybody. This was the plot all along.

[00:02:19] Yes. Thank you, Mike. Thank you. Happy to be here. Happy to sit down and do one more, just one more Bingo Ball. We're gonna get through all 25 of them, I think. We're gonna try our best to not have a part three. And you just, just blitz through this.

[00:02:35] I'm happy to be here. Part three would be so upsetting if we have to take it to a part three. Like, we could not have that happen. There's like five seasons. I mean, listen, Survivor editing is made famous by someone declaring at the top

[00:02:46] that something definitely won't happen, and then it does happen by the end. So hopefully we will not make that folly. But before we get into the Bingo Balls, I'd be remiss not to bring up already what we're doing next week. For those that might not remember,

[00:02:59] if you haven't checked your calendars, next week on the Summer of Survivor, we are doing the New Era Wand Off. It'll be myself, Shannon, Rob will be back, and we'll be joined by Josh Wegler to do a Wand Off,

[00:03:11] a song parody contest specifically with songs around the New Era of Survivor 41 through 46. That being said, get your submissions in. You have a little less than a week to do so. Rob has a website.com slash Wand Off 2024. Wand Off 2024.

[00:03:30] That's where you can attach your files, put your name, all that jazz, and we'll listen to it all next week. So I want to plug that at the top right now. So if you need to run off and record and listen to this podcast later, you absolutely can.

[00:03:42] But for those that are looking to stay, Shannon, just as like a brief reminder, what are we doing today? Yeah, it's a good question. Sorry, I'm just now tweeting out the links and stuff because it's 8am because Big Brother decided to move itself earlier.

[00:03:57] And now we're starting to- Unexpected, Shannon! Which is great because everyone knows I'm a morning person. So I'm here at 8am with my Bingo Balls in my lipstick trying to get this done. And now I've tweeted out the link and here I am. What are we doing?

[00:04:09] We're defining- We're finding the defining- Firstly, we're finding out if I'm a human at 8am. That's the first part. That's the initial test, yeah. We're seeing how quickly we can do 25 seasons in two hours. That's the second part. Third part, what this actually is.

[00:04:24] What is the defining moment of every Survivor season? If you haven't listened to the first part of this, you should definitely stop, go back and listen because this will be pointless without that. And it will spoil that whole podcast.

[00:04:34] We're going to go through what we did in part one where we defined all the defining moments of 21 random seasons as decided by the Bingo Ball machine that my husband bought for me off Amazon. Then we're going to randomly, for no reason,

[00:04:46] Bingo Ball the other 25 and argue about what should be the defining moment. And by the time we're finished, in two hours from now, we're going to have solved Survivor discourse. End scene. Yeah, I did like how you snuck this in last time

[00:04:59] that apparently the purpose of this podcast is to solve the Miranese knot that is the Survivor discourse. I don't know if I necessarily signed up for that, but I'm more than happy to have it sort of succeed as a bonus.

[00:05:11] Yeah, I think it's good for my OCD to just like have certified things. And I think that's what we're trying to do this summer. So yeah, Peridium, thank you for being on the wild ride. I mean, I don't know if you know what you got yourself into,

[00:05:22] but you should regret it. No, I don't think I've ever podcast with you, Shannon, have I? Yeah, exactly what I just said. Yeah, so I've listened and I co-sign a lot of what you say and sometimes you channel my super fan energy really well.

[00:05:37] And I know we've met before. We have met before. I remember telling, is it Peter? Yeah. Two years ago. Yeah, I was like, we're going to go. I'm going to Australia at some point. And he was like, everyone says that and they never do it.

[00:05:50] And I still haven't done it. That's true. I still haven't done it. Marianne did it. Marianne did do it. Yes, I saw. Marianne also went to the Olympics. So she is just crossing things off that list that none of us would dare to do.

[00:06:00] Peridium, if you win Survivor, please use some of those winnings to visit me in Australia. I yeah, Mary. Yeah, I will. I mean, I want to come to Australia. It's been my number one thing prior to COVID. It was the thing and I just haven't done it yet.

[00:06:13] But otherwise, you can come stay here. I'll say that. We have a room. You can come stay at us. Yeah, I like your I like your cat, by the way. Thank you. That's one of them. Peridium, you're not you're not in the chat.

[00:06:22] You don't need to suck up to Shannon. You're already on. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Speaking of people in the chat already trying to suck up to me. Will Middleton said, Shannon, you are so smart. You are never wrong and definitely the best drafter. So kind. Will, thank you.

[00:06:33] But we have actually I've read Kieran is coming on the podcast. Sam, get here. It's been his anniversary was two weeks ago and we put this off for two weeks. He will come on and he will solve one bingo ball with us.

[00:06:42] But please get in touch with Kieran. Now, all right. Well, as we start getting into contact with our inevitable chat guest, let's take a look back, Shannon, last time on this edition of defining moments of survivor.

[00:06:56] Let's go through the twenty one moments that we already did just to put ourselves back in the mindset of having to solve survivor discourse, as you say. Yeah. So Peter taught me how to like list my Excel spreadsheet in order of what we'd already done.

[00:07:11] So I'm going to run it through pretty. And firstly, I want you to stop me if there's anything you majorly disagreed with. And I'm also going to want your takes on some of the biggest arguments that we have. We have twenty five seasons to get through.

[00:07:21] Yeah, I know. Believe me, Sam's already in the private chat with the countdown onto Big Brother, which is something I did not ask for. But yet here we are. It is eight or nine in the morning. No. OK, so we did Borneo, the snakes and rats speech.

[00:07:33] We did Australian Outback, Scoop and Falls on the Fire. Thailand, we did the fake merge. Sure. Amazon, we did chocolate and peanut butter. Palau, we ended up doing Stephanie going back to Uluang alone. Guatemala, if I'm correct, we did Steph and Bobby John on the temple.

[00:07:48] Yes, the first moment of the season. Yeah, we did that. Gabon, what? We did Randy's fake idol play. I believe it was the year. OK. Randy's fake idol was the one we went with. OK. I believe so. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I have first here.

[00:08:01] I think I wanted to get you go home goodbye because I still have that in the column. Nicaragua, we did the double quit South Pacific, Cochran flipping at the merge, blood versus water. Sierra voting out her mom, worlds apart. I just have auction.

[00:08:14] Did we just do the auction? I think we just did the auction or like I think it's specifically Mike with the letters at the auction. Is there anything that you hugely disagree with yet, Peridium? No, no, I don't. Sounds pretty good.

[00:08:24] That's how we know we solve survivor discourse. So that's good. That's what we did not solve her wrong. I want it. I still have first in my spreadsheet that I wanted Michelle beats Aubrey. And then second, I said Caleb almost dies.

[00:08:36] I know we said on Caleb almost dies. Where did you fall on that debate? So, yeah, I did skip around. I didn't listen to the discourse on that one. But I would say from a super fan perspective, it definitely feels like the final result.

[00:08:52] But then again, I wonder if the I would probably vote for the Caleb one. I know. Well, I guess that's why you don't stop down. Three to one. All right. Game Changers, we did advantage get in Ghost Island. We did the final vote tie.

[00:09:09] Edge of Extinction, we did Underwood putting himself into fire. Island of the Idols, we did the things that should not be named. Winners of War, I think we did a drink before war. Yeah, like the first moment of officially starting the season. Yeah, there. No.

[00:09:23] Yeah, I would probably agree with that. I know you guys have talked about the family visit on that one, and I probably wouldn't agree with that one. So I'd probably go with the drink before war. Yeah. Was there any others like we have here?

[00:09:34] Like Adam, I mean, again, like it's hard to divorce my super fanness, which is like maybe it's Tony and the whole extortion episode and the whole blindside. Or maybe it's Tony winning, becoming the Super Bowl winner of Survivor. I don't know.

[00:09:48] I could see a drink before war at the beginning of it. Just that sandbar at the beginning of it, that whole thing. That's kind of the defining moment. Yeah. Anything? We didn't do any new era seasons, did we Shannon? We did. We did 41 with the hourglass.

[00:10:01] 42 with Marianne voting out Omar. 44, we really struggled with 44. We ended up with Carolyn at the sanctuary. Right, her listening to Danny and Brandon and saying that like she was going to get rid of the bros. Man, that is a very weak defining moment, isn't it?

[00:10:16] You have a better one? It's still red on my screen. I don't know if I do because I did listen to that one because I was like, OK, I wonder which of the new era ones.

[00:10:23] I know you guys talked about the beginning of the season with Carolyn's cold open, and I thought that could be it. Honestly, I struggle with that one, too. I think of all 46 seasons, that might have been the one that I had the most difficulty with

[00:10:35] because of the ones that we haven't covered yet. I think I have something for almost all of them that I was like, I think I could. That could be it. There's like one or two 44. I don't know what defines the season enough.

[00:10:45] It really is just like the Ticas. It's something about the Ticas. It could be Carolyn. Yeah, I don't know. There's no defining Tica moment. It was too consistent through this. There's just like a yeah, it's just it's just like a smorgasbord of just stuff of Tica stuff.

[00:11:00] It's just like a shot of Tica, but that's not what we're doing here. It's meant to be a moment, but that one is tough. I still have one other red one that we haven't gotten to. So I'm excited to get to that with the bingo balls.

[00:11:09] And then 46, we ended up going with the I'm pissed moment, but I wonder Maria not voting for Charlie. Do you have a good one on that debate? Do you have a. What did you guys do for 46? They ended up doing this saying she.

[00:11:21] While he's talking, Shannon, why don't you get the bingo ball spinning so we can just get right into it? Yeah, 46. I could do Maria voting for Charlie. They definitely capped the season off. I don't know if I define this season. What was the moment you guys picked?

[00:11:35] We picked the Liz meltdown. Liz meltdown. That's another one. That's pretty good. There's also a hide and seek. I think I ended up suggesting hide and seek first. Yeah, Liz meltdown could be it. That one's tough because it's like that has like the least age to it.

[00:11:50] So it's like I don't know exactly what defines that one for me at the moment because it's the most recent. I think that history will be kind to Maria and not voting for Charlie. Well, I don't think the fan base was kind to Maria.

[00:12:03] No, I could see that one. I think that was a really strong reaction. It really ends the season. That's what you're going to remember walking away from that season, I think. Thank you, pretty. I could see that. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:12:12] And also it defines it in that she like didn't, you know, like voting out your ally, not voting for your ally type of theme. So it's also thematic. Right. That history will be kind to that one. So all right. That's what we did. 25. 21 seasons.

[00:12:26] Now we're going to get through 25. We're excited about it. And which one's up first? Pull the first bingo ball. And it must be so hard for you to like jump around pretty because there was no rhyme or reason. It was bingo ball defined.

[00:12:39] I've pulled in the way that the bingo ball loves great survivor seasons and we're carrying on that tradition. I've pulled Redemption Island. I've pulled. Oh, wow. Oh boy. I'm going in ascending orders, but we're going to end on like the best season.

[00:12:51] That's like I mean, like bottom two of my seasons of all time. Like, right. It might be my least favorite. I mean, the one I got to throw out first and foremost is Boston Rob carrying his family on his back. Oh, wow. The winning moment for him.

[00:13:06] But it represents how that was such a coronation for him from a production perspective and a player perspective. The image of him doing that really tough challenge where they're building the stairs and him running to the top.

[00:13:16] And again, it wasn't the final immunity challenge, but like it was such a big victory for him that I do think it encompasses the overall dominance he had at the season. Yeah, we do. We count the reunions. I don't think we put David Murphy proposing.

[00:13:33] Oh, we can't do that. Oh, OK. We do because Rob wanted to do that in terms of Sia giving Ty the money. So no David Murphy proposals. OK, that's fine. That would be a crazy way to define Redemption Island.

[00:13:45] I feel like Redemption Island, much like Tika has to be defined in Boston Rob. A couple of people in the chat are saying Rob throwing the Idol clue into the volcano. That is what I thought of. What about the map line side?

[00:13:56] Yeah, that's the other one I had. The map line side is good. Yeah, you know what? Actually, I like the map line side because I think it represents A, again, the Rob dominance

[00:14:04] that he was the one that said pretty much both times, OK, Matt, you're going to go. I think it represents the Redemption Island concept where this guy comes back into the game and get immediately voted out. It's able to accomplish two things.

[00:14:14] It was like Matt was like Redemption Island is the name of the season. That is the focal twist. And Matt represents that best. He does come back. He gets sent right back.

[00:14:25] And it's at the hands of Rob, the winner, who is this four time player who is dominating. But the image of Rob standing there is more ingrained. I don't have a single image of my in my head of the map blindside, per se.

[00:14:36] But I do have Rob standing over the volcano, laughing with his hands in the air, like chucking the clue behind him. So if I could see the chat saying that as well.

[00:14:44] So yeah, but I wrote down Matt, the map blindside, like just the votes coming in and everyone's just like shock and awe. Yeah, I do think that that's the vote defining vote. But is it the defining moment?

[00:14:57] I do think the image of the volcano is what stands out in my mind. The chat's also saying Russell getting voted out, but like it has to be like they're giving some Philip stuff and it has to be.

[00:15:05] And the thing is that we talked about this last time. I would say the defining moment of the season does not mean the moment you like the most. I think it is not always going to be the same thing.

[00:15:13] If it was, it would be the David Murphy proposal. So, you know. Why do you love that so much? I don't. It's just it's just a highlight. Look, first of all, there's nothing wrong with love, even if it falls apart like one season later. Yeah.

[00:15:27] It's just, you know, cringe. It's just really cringey. I want to say we get a moment like that every season of The Bachelor, like a proposal that's not going to work out at the very end. It's pretty much the whole point of that show.

[00:15:37] So I put together two lists like the two wolves inside of everyone. One is the answer that I think makes the most sense and one is the answer that I think makes the least sense. So there you go. Oh, and we get to pick which one is which.

[00:15:48] That's a fun game. All right, well, let's put this to a vote because I feel like it's between Rob throwing the clue in the volcano and the Matt Blindside. Shannon, where are you leaning? I think I'm going volcano.

[00:15:57] I mean, I have the the Matt Blindside in my spreadsheet, but just like thinking about it now, like that's just a moment that that's like what came to my head first. And then I overthought it.

[00:16:06] I'll go with the Matt Blindside just to leave it to pretty and make his first vote a difficult one. OK, I mean, I wrote down Matt Blindside. That was my number one pick, but I do love the image of that.

[00:16:18] But I also want to spend too much time thinking about this season. So I'm going to go with the Matt Blindside. All right. All right. That is what I said, but it originally and then I changed. Now I've been outvoted.

[00:16:26] So, OK, and I should be going with the Bingo Ball. Yeah. So there we go. Redemption. We're slowly but surely. I thought we had crossed a lot of the paths of some of the least recorded seasons and Shannon has already dropped the Bingo Ball.

[00:16:36] You know, I thought he'd have it on the first one. So I did define my expectations by it happening on the second. The Bingo Ball dropped. The cat tried to get it. It's been it's a whole thing. I have no to put the Bingo Ball.

[00:16:46] So they're just going in my pocket. So after this, I'm just going to have pockets full of Bingo Ball. Like Rupert in Heroes vs Villains. All right. I finally got a good and also easy season. My presure. Sixteen.

[00:16:59] Yeah, I think we should hand this off to the next ball, much like Eric hand the necklace off to Natalie. Yeah, I want to give immunity to Natalie. Yeah, that's a that's probably one of the easiest ones to. I mean, you can argue.

[00:17:11] I mean, if we do a podcast of like, what are the defining moments of survivor that would be in the top five, let alone. Yeah. Is that the defining moment? But is it I want to give immunity to Natalie or is it the confessionals all being

[00:17:25] given in like we see them all or is it all of that? And that's the moment in and of itself. I think it has to be Eric saying I want to give individual immunity to Natalie. Yeah, because I think that's like while the confessionals were nice,

[00:17:38] it's the image, it's the sequence that we see the most. It is the culmination of the dominance of the Black Widow Brigade. I think second most from a memorability perspective would probably be it's an effing stick, but it can't hold a candle.

[00:17:50] Yeah, I mean, there's like the Aussie blindside. It's an effing stick. In other those moments are more iconic and memorable than some other seasons have whole moments as their defining moment, if that makes sense. But that's how iconic Micronesia is. There could be like five.

[00:18:03] But this is by far. Yeah, Aussie has had a lot of whole moments. I think the premerge is underrated. Chet hits his head. That's a good one. And Joel didn't care. Yeah, you know, that's a good one. Was that on your. That was on my list.

[00:18:18] That was, you know, top two. Okay, okay. Well, my cat is just waiting for her next bingo ball to drop down. She's just like lying in a way. Okay, the bingo ball machine now like good seasons because I got heroes versus villains.

[00:18:33] Oh, now this is an interesting one. Do we go? This is interesting. It's really hard. It's actually way harder than you think. Because I think the reflex one, obviously talking about memorable moments would be Parvati talking about the debauchess little villains

[00:18:46] and green bananas turning yellow with her double idol play. Yes, but there's also so these are the ones I had. So I had those two in my like tier A that one and JT actually giving the note. Right. Yeah, or like XOXOJT when they're like reading it.

[00:19:06] How much is that a side of the times by the way? There was so 2010 Gossip Girl. But then I also have the Typhon boot a little bit less. And then I don't know about that. We have we had that when we talked about.

[00:19:16] Um, yeah, the best quotes of all time. It defines Sandra's win. Um, yeah, I mean, Sandra beating poverty is a huge moment that is talked about to this day. You could say that the end result image of Sandra going like this with a tiara at the reunion. Right?

[00:19:34] Just the two. Uh, the Tyson move is the Tyson vote out is could easily be a defining moment on any other season. But that's what makes heroes versus villains such a such a heavy hitter.

[00:19:46] I didn't have like Rupert and Stephanie getting injured as like the defining moment on a different season, and it doesn't practice five because heroes versus villains could do it. A defining moment of my toe got cracked.

[00:19:58] Jeff and Colby break up on national television over a chocolate piece of chocolate. All right. That is one of my favorite. Taking it out on his brother. Right. Come on. So yeah, it's tough. Like, I don't want to be that that basic bitch.

[00:20:13] But I think what the part of I don't double idle play does have is granted, like, I think the season very much revolves around Russell. And it's not in fact to Russell chagrin. It's not a Russell involved moment.

[00:20:23] But I think it does speak to the dominance of the villains. And while JT writing the letter is like an image, this does feel like a little bit of a culmination of that as well.

[00:20:32] Like having JT curse dammit once the second idol shows up, realizing that like the entire plan that they tried to pull off went up in smoke. I mean, again, this is one where it's tough for me to divorce like an iconic defining

[00:20:44] moment of survivor history versus a defining moment of the season. But it's tough to beat for me. Yeah, I do think it's because it's the culmination you say it doesn't involve Russell, but it does like it involves everyone that's still there. It's the reason JT goes home.

[00:20:58] So it definitely is the culmination of the letter and handing the idol Russell's left out of that. So it does define his relationship with poverty and how complex that is and will continue to get.

[00:21:08] It does have everything and who can forget the JT then says, don't trust women. And that was what he took from that moment, which is not a good way to self-assess. And he never watched Gossip Girl again.

[00:21:19] Well, that was probably a really good thing for him because it was all downhill from 2010 from when they were playing. So is it that is it? I mean, we're looking to be basic bitches. That's the point. It's meant to be the most like first come to mind thing.

[00:21:33] Yeah. Yeah, I wrote part of his idol play. There's a couple of great moments, but I think it comes down to that at the end of the day. That's just the biggest if it's 10 episodes or whatever, eight episodes on episodes gets up to this moment. It swells.

[00:21:45] It's huge. Volcano goes off. Then the rest, right? We're going to get to that one, too. But I just feel like at that point, the rest of the way doesn't nearly define the season

[00:21:56] as much, even if even if we do talk more a lot about Sandra becoming the first two time winner. But and that's the other thing is that the season was quite literally heroes versus villains.

[00:22:05] This is the first time they faced off and the villains proved that they won. And that would go on to spell pretty much the entirety of the postmerge. Yeah, the villains win that battle. Poverty saves Sandra and Jerry. So there's also stuff that you can everyone is involved.

[00:22:21] Amanda is like, you know what? Like that whole episode. But I think it's like it all culminates in that moment. We get fantastic Amanda. Go eyes that comes into play. You know, it's it takes the entire pre merge to build up to this moment. The merge.

[00:22:35] This is why like the are not a completely different topic, but they earn the merge needs to go away because this is why you need these moments. The merge. The first time in the season is the climax. The first half of the season. So good.

[00:22:45] Anyway, yeah, I got I think it's got to be this moment. It defines it. You could have like Amanda bad line to poverty. Like again, that could be a bigger defining moment than some seasons have. Right. And it's not the biggest of this episode.

[00:22:59] It might not even be in the top three of this episode. Like poverty. I'm giving up immunity. There's so many. Can we watch Heroes versus Villains? Let's just do that. Let's just put that on.

[00:23:07] Listen, it's a we've got a month and a half until Survivor might as well. All right. But for now, the bingo ball awaits. We got two really good seasons back to back, but they were fairly, I think, easy choices. So I'm intrigued by what's next.

[00:23:22] This one, I actually also think is not easy. There's two options, but we got all stars. We're going to close the returning season at the moment. A lot of Boston Rob today. The bingo ball machine is feeling very Boston Robbie.

[00:23:33] So, again, I'll go back to basic bitch corner and I would say, is it the look out for her? If you can, if you can, is it take care of her? I'll take care of you. If you can. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:23:45] Or the question is, is it that or is it the subsequent follow up of like, I said that and I can't, you know, of the actual sort of breakup of the alliance between Lex and Boston Rob. So this is one that I was like, it's definitely that quote.

[00:23:58] It's such an iconic image and nothing could top it. And then I thought of one. I go back to what sometimes happens on The Bachelor, but much more rare than the than the David Carolina stuff than the former. Oh, that's a real proposal.

[00:24:14] I mean, I thought that I wasn't sure if I should include the reunions or. Yeah, I think this is arguably the most famous reunion moment in survivor history. That's a good point.

[00:24:24] I was I was between that I was between the proposal and then the Lex and Rob of it all. But I was like, if I'm including the finale, technically it happened before the votes were read, right?

[00:24:33] So it like you could even include it if you're not going to go for the reunion part where it's after the game is already over at that point. If you're watching the episode on Paramount Plus, it's going to include the vote revealing in the finale.

[00:24:43] And that's what matters. Even the more important. I think of a reunion moment is the most defining moment that would be fine. I just think we don't know. I don't really count as a reunion moment, but I think it is because look, yes, it is

[00:24:55] technically outside of the game being over while they're in this purgatorial space for the votes are read. But the season was defined by like the first out and out survivor romance that this was

[00:25:05] a pair of two people that maybe arguably some would say shouldn't have been on all stars in the first place and then joining up together, inexplicably, you know, falling in love with each other while also ranting, ramming roughshod over the course of the game.

[00:25:20] And so, well, I think does it like define the gameplay that Rob was doing like all stars, which was what the Lex and Rob moment does have the benefit of is kind of representing what all stars was, which was this initial idea of pre existing relationships coming

[00:25:35] in and seeing what survivor was going to be in this new form and how tough that was on people. But like the proposal was such a big moment. Yeah, I think I think the proposal probably is like the overall essence of the season.

[00:25:51] It's the cap of it all. Whereas, again, we're talking about the merge where the players come together. They're all the all stars on one beach and it results in what turns into the proposal. Well, the eventual final two.

[00:26:04] I got to go with the proposal, though, at the very end, the final two of it all. I think that I think that like a part of me originally wrote the Rob and Lex conversation with the at the whatever that challenge was.

[00:26:15] But yeah, I think that I think the proposal defines it the best. Yeah, it's interesting that I feel like we all had the same thought process where it was like, oh, it's definitely that moment and sticks out so much in our mind.

[00:26:25] But yeah, all that was the first season I ever watched in full as a child. I started watching Pearl Island. I'm sorry. Yeah, well, I loved it. No, I as a child, I was like this romance. I didn't care about Lex.

[00:26:36] I was like, stop getting in the way of love. And then I found the back. Stop cock blocking Lex. Well, I think what it is is like how do we define the season? Rob and Lex with Amber, to be fair, because you take care of her.

[00:26:47] I'll take care of you. She is a her. Three tickets for challengers, please. But do we look at it like that or do we look at it like Rob and Amber's relationship defines the season? Because then I feel like it has to be the proposal.

[00:26:56] It's so iconic in her. I love Rob shirt. I recently showed this clip to Chrissy in the green room of Talking Tribal because she'd never heard of Boston Rob. And I was like, you got to learn your history.

[00:27:05] And so I showed her all of this clip of the proposal. So yeah, I don't know. It's so iconic. It starts. It starts in episode one. It carries itself into the merge. It carries itself into the finale. It's a season long defining storyline. And it creates a marriage.

[00:27:21] Yeah, it does. And like this shifts a bit of a meta where I did a whole video on this where I looked at like how impactful was this dynamic duo showmance that we got with Rob and Amber?

[00:27:32] And it does put a target on like there's never been nearly as much of a successful romance in the history of the show as in relation to the show itself on the season because of Rob and Amber. They're like the Black Widow Brigade with like all women's alliances.

[00:27:46] You know, now we can't let the people that are falling for each other do any. They can't pull Rob and Amber from like 20 years ago. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. I think it defines it. Oh, cock blocking people.

[00:27:56] No, I think that I think we're all kind of leaning this way. It does feel kind of wrong not to have you take care of her. I'll take care of you if you can. If you can. It's so iconic Boston Rob and it is so iconic All-Stars.

[00:28:09] But and it does. And it does also like if he doesn't do that, do they ever get married? You know, like if Lex then doesn't help him. I mean, and then like, I think the argument between like biggest move biggest

[00:28:22] like for me, the word define what defines that moment is a little bit more like in the conversation as opposed to we could we could easily reword the topic of the podcast to something different. And I think you would not include the proposal.

[00:28:35] But I think what the word define is in this case, defining the word define. And I think that that is what I mean. Let's go back to your friends argument, Shanda, used with the first one.

[00:28:45] I think people would remember All-Stars as the one where Boston Rob and Amber get together. Right. The one where Boston. The one with the proposal. Wait, which one? The proposal that actually is an episode.

[00:28:57] And that's the fun thing we should do is what friends episodes and survivor seasons. Can we also now that's what I'm going to try. And that's when we're talking about Redemption Island again now. Yes, exactly. All comes full circle. One where Joey threw the sandwich into the volcano.

[00:29:11] The one where Rob is fine. OK, Kat's still waiting here for her balls. This one's also good and easy. It's a good idea. I should read the number out because I feel like I'm taking an eye test every time I have to. Hey, don't insult the balls, Mike.

[00:29:25] I will choose the balls over you every time. Shane, I have 35 years of insulting the balls. This is my dojo. OK, well, um, grandma. Yeah, I wrote that, but I was like, you know, could you make a case for the outcast twist?

[00:29:39] Is there any relevance there to being in the. I mean, the outcast was it's interesting because Pearl Island is the one that has one of the most like aesthetic themes right with the pirate thing and that's the one that calls closest to it.

[00:29:49] But it also ties back to the theme when Rupert says in the very first episode, pirates lie, pirates steal. And Johnny Fairplay tells one of the biggest lies in survivor history there. Yeah, like Rupert stealing shoes. I also had in the second column.

[00:30:01] I had the outcast in the second. I think that actually got voted at the all stars reunion as like the best moment in survivor history, if I'm remembering correctly. I think it did.

[00:30:10] The dead grandma lie is like, as we say, like top five defining moment of the season. I think we said three defining. We did snakes and rats, dead grandma lie, scooping, falling in the fire. Yeah, and then probably Eric giving up. And I guess that's the Mount Rushmore.

[00:30:23] So if you're on the Mount Rushmore of survivors moments ever, you get on the defining season. Right? Yeah, I think also like you could it's got a skosh of Sandra in there as well. Like if you include Sandra's like very unamused reaction of like, OK,

[00:30:36] I don't believe anything or I don't care what happened to his grandma, then that also includes about the Sandra Fair play narrative, too. Yeah, I mean, I quote, I quote, she died, dude. Probably like top five quotes in my history.

[00:30:49] That's actually a different season, a different podcast that we did. But I hope that you're not quoting it in like a way that's really relevant. Yeah, no, no, no, nobody's dying. It's more of just, you know, just there could be a lot of ways death.

[00:30:59] It could be like, oh, dying inside. I'll just say hopefully. Well, no, then you say so much for my dreams, so much for my dreams. That's a great one. Again, probably did this podcast. Yeah, so you would say like the way that you would use that quote again,

[00:31:10] a different podcast that we did would be like, oh, how's your will to live today? She died, dude. She died. And it's just the dude. It's the dude part of it.

[00:31:19] And my wife, my wife is British and she don't they don't use the word dude as much over there. So she makes it like even funnier when she says it because he just doesn't use the word dude. And over and she doesn't like anglicize it.

[00:31:29] Like she died, chap. Yeah, right. Oh, the matey. She died, brov. I am. It is it's like you couldn't write it funnier that because that's not the way someone would tell someone that their grandma died.

[00:31:42] So the fact that that's how it has to be reminded, it's a great word. All right. And thunder be coming out. Come on. You got the. Final seven. And the fact that he's not the reveal after the moment when it comes back and Lil anyway.

[00:32:01] That's pretty much the islands to look. From what I remember watching it as a child. So, again, these are the moments where like Rob, Rob proposing like these are the things that I think people remember.

[00:32:13] Also, this has become such a fun game of who can get to the falling bingo balls. First meal, the cat, the game of high stakes because they don't want to get to it. Great seasons at the moment. The bingo machine is out of it.

[00:32:24] I think we're calling you like these are like the biggest of the ones that are left. Yeah, well, we got rid of all the bad ones in the first part for you. That's true. Yeah, it's stupid. Rob, who cares? David versus Goliath. This is OK.

[00:32:38] So this is interesting because I feel like there are memorable moments and then there are moments that kind of inform the thematics of the season. Let me go back to my heroes versus villains example of why the merge vote served as a

[00:32:50] perfect example of heroes and villains facing off. If we lose that logic, could the minority vote split on John Hennigan or even the idol nullifier being an example of David versus Goliath? So here's where I sit with that.

[00:33:07] That was where I originally thought of it, because that defines David versus Goliath. Honestly, there was so much going on in the Davids getting these little wins and then like kind of toppling the whole power structure that even I kind of struggle with.

[00:33:18] Like, wait, what was played when there was like the John vote, there was the Dan vote, there was another fight, there was a vote steal, there was an idol. It was a lot going on. Um, so I think that is the defining concept.

[00:33:30] But I don't know if there's one moment for me that stands out definitely as much as Natalie, can I have your jacket now? Yeah. So when we say something like Caleb almost dying in Ko Rong is an example for me, that wasn't necessarily as thematic.

[00:33:47] It's the biggest moment. Is it also the defining moment? Does it define Angelina? Does it define kind of the humor of the season? And then because it's the biggest moment, is that enough to make it?

[00:33:58] I feel like now that I'm thinking about this, I did write down the minority split vote with Nick and Davey Christian. And I think now that you bring up all this, like defining, it doesn't incorporate literally everyone because it is really like the trio.

[00:34:13] They even technically leave out Gabby. And I don't know if Carl was involved in the minority split vote or not. But I do also feel like if we're looking at the David versus Goliath, this is the defining

[00:34:25] moment of David slaying Goliath and taking out what's his face, the mayor of Slamtown. And he's like the biggest Goliath. And they get him with the tiniest rock, a split vote of the minority players.

[00:34:40] That to me defines and it really is like it's bigger in my opinion than the next one with the Dan Idol thing. I think that that kind of feels like it's emblematic of that David Goliath moment.

[00:34:52] Well, let me add another one that could serve as a thematic example and is probably more memorable. Christian Hubecky talks for six hours to defeat Alec, another David. That's my second tier. I feel like if you're going for a character moment, that's not I mean, that is David

[00:35:09] beating Goliath. So I guess that is the fine. But I think if you're going character, you're going to Angelina jacket moment. If you're going David's beating the Goliath, you have like the minority vote split.

[00:35:19] And I feel like while Christian's moment is a part of those two, it's just not nearly as big as either one in either of those categories, if that makes sense. So right. It's tough because we have this is a very fun season full of big characters.

[00:35:31] There's also moments that are full of like big gameplay. There's not one that really encompasses both. I think that's the impasse is like we have to figure out which direction we want to go for this season.

[00:35:41] I also think of like Davey, though, with the with the jacket slant, he gets the jacket and he slams it right after he takes out the mayor of Slamtown. He goes, Davey, Rick and Bette or whatever, like takes down the mayor.

[00:35:52] This is in the following episode, to be fair. But it incorporate if it focus factors into my thought process of like what defines it. And that is definitely for me one of the biggest moments just seeing the result after that.

[00:36:04] Anyway, if we have a jacket moment and it's not the Angelina jacket moment that would No, but it helps. It's a little like, you know, it's like a cherry on top. Yeah, I really want to argue for the jacket moment because I just feel like and for me,

[00:36:15] look, minority vote splits like revolutionized. I know this feels like putting down one of your own children and arguing against minority votes. I love minority vote split. Believe me, I like now whenever anyone just does some random vote. I mean, now it's shot in the dark.

[00:36:27] I'm like, oh, how are they splitting on one with the minority vote split? Yeah, yeah. Look, it opened up strategic implications that I love. 100% One where the David slay the Goliath. But that's not a moment. Like that did happen. That defines it. That defines it. They took out.

[00:36:44] That's where they started the steamroll. What's the picture? What's the image of the minority vote split compared to Natalie? Can I have your jacket? I can see Angelina in my mind's eye standing awkwardly. It defines Angelina. You could do rice negotiation. You could do the latter for Angelina.

[00:36:59] Like she's such a big part of that season. You could take a snapshot, but I also feel like a moment could just be like a brief period of time. It doesn't have to be like a single second in time.

[00:37:08] It's a good 30 seconds or so of that reveal with what's his face again? I keep forgetting his name, John. Just laughing and going, you got guys. I don't know. I think the theme and I think that it incorporates itself so well into David versus Goliath as

[00:37:25] a theme itself where the Davids finally take over the Goliaths for the first time all season. And they did it with the tiniest of rocks. And it's not the idol nullifier. The Bing is good. For me, it's probably like, you know, second or third or something.

[00:37:39] But look, we've defined define now a defining moment. What is a moment? A moment is a very brief period of time. Let's Google it. I genuinely like Angelina and the jacket is the biggest moment. I think it's so big that it's defining.

[00:37:54] I think it's bigger than any of the other ones in a way that is. I don't know. Because it's so like relegated to like the first five episodes, but it doesn't really define anything beyond that. Plus, like the Davids don't really get there.

[00:38:05] Like they're just sort of meld with the Goliaths. And it's also like and I feel like the comparison to the Kayla moment is maybe a little faulty because the reason why I picked the Kayla medivac is because it was the season with the most medivacs in Survivor history.

[00:38:18] It wasn't just, oh, there was one big medivac and then the rest of it was a regular season. And yes, the season is full of lovable Angelina de Lulu moments. But I do feel like pretty and puts forward a very good argument about I mean, I don't

[00:38:35] know what people would say, though. Going back to the friends argument is there versus Goliath, the one with the minority vote or one with a David Slay the Goliaths is what he's. Yeah. So or the one where the biggest Goliath of them all.

[00:38:48] The one where Angelina doesn't get the jacket. No, the one with Natalie, can I have your jacket with the jacket and eggs? The one with the jacket, the one with the jacket. That's the friends which might is that a friend of the season? I'm I will.

[00:39:05] It's a bit controversial. I'm going to go with pretty. I'm here. I will go with the minority. That's very controversial, Mike. I it's the first one I had, but I just feel like that. I was like, oh, the jacket.

[00:39:17] This is a case where it's like this is I mean, we just talked about a few seasons where it's pretty easy, like, oh, the most memorable moment is the defining moment. This is the rare season where that's not the case, in my opinion.

[00:39:25] I'm setting it even like when, like when was all with the with the minority votes, but when they played Christians, I don't. It's when they play. It's when they play Christians Idol. Dan played an idol on Angelina, but they had split enough votes onto John Hennigan to get

[00:39:39] him out. Yeah. It's good moments. Grab like I'm arguing against minority votes. But OK, tears me apart inside. That's not what I want. OK, but all right. I'll take the loss because of time. And we have a lot of seasons to get to.

[00:39:55] Yeah, and this one is my case is all right. Well, OK. Oh, well, this is I think this is a pretty easy slam dunk. Yeah. You know, chopping those coconuts. Yeah. Knocking them down, revealing the pecking order, getting the first time

[00:40:11] the underdogs kind of David versus Goliath a little bit. I would argue that like this could be a low key moment, defining moment in survivor history in terms of like the the echoes it played in the rest of the game.

[00:40:23] You talk about the effect of Robin Amber, but like what happens if this doesn't happen? Does the prevailing survivor strategy just become what it's been the previous three seasons of like whoever has the most numbers at the merge wins? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:40:36] So is it the vote itself or is it like the Sean confessional of checkmate bro? Always been on black. That's a good one. It's a tough challenge. I feel like for me. Yeah, I was gonna say it's the coconuts falling and then you see them on the bench.

[00:40:51] Yeah, like Sean and be looking around being like there. You see what they're doing. That's the image. Because that's the first time where it really is driven home. Like this is the catalyst that creates a completely different, which we've never seen through four seasons, you know?

[00:41:05] So yeah, I agree. And I had rocks in the second column. So I think it's like if the friends quotes that would be like the one with the purple rock. But I don't know if it defines the season.

[00:41:17] I don't think I think I don't think it would be that. I think it would be. I don't think it defines it either. Yeah, I feel like it's probably the least iconic rock draw. Like for me, there are so many ways I've been doing this for seven years.

[00:41:29] This is this is how I get into the weeds of like, how do I after several years? Right? I've like, OK, I could talk about both of these moments and stick them into completely different

[00:41:38] top five, top 10 lists because you just change the word define to biggest to greatest to most epic. And so here we're talking about what that every right every week. It's the most epic. I'll get the bigger balls. Yeah, that's what I found.

[00:41:52] The end of the list of ways to drive myself insane. You added a new one to it. I think you just created a summer survival. When we're defining the moment, I think it's not the purple rock that defines Marquesas. But I don't know.

[00:42:06] No, I think it's got to be the moment of the moment of them sitting at the challenge. I really respect how much you care about the word define and the topic. Oh, I get very particular. At some point you have to. That's like the debate team.

[00:42:22] Otherwise, I'm just like doing the same topics over and over again forever, which may happen at some point in my life. I don't know. We'll see if I'm doing this and it's like Survivor 75 and I'm like, go back to the old water. Well, I love it.

[00:42:35] Well, yeah, this is what defining it. We've defined define, which is so great. And meta. Words lost all meaning at this point. Well, no, we've found the meaning. We've defined it. People said, yeah, Kathy peeing on John's hand. Well, that's not the number one moment of the season.

[00:42:54] Another friend's reference, right? Now there we go. I know when they got stung by jellyfish. Yeah. When Chandler Chandler feel Monica. Yes, that is what it is. Forget who peed on who? We have CG and we also have a guest to bring on to help us. Survival.

[00:43:14] So two weeks. Happy anniversary, Kieran. Who is like, oh, I feel like I should plug in my headphones. I don't know if you all hear. You sound fine. You're good. Pretty. Do you know that we bring in people from the chat who are not?

[00:43:26] I saw you guys bringing somebody last week that our last podcast. So yeah, no. Last time was three weeks ago and I know. Oh, Karen, we were we were flush with very fun guests.

[00:43:37] We had a lot to get to, but we made some room to bring you on. How are you doing tonight? I'm doing very well. My fiance's graduation was yesterday, so we drove. I'm in Orlando right now, so we drove all the way down to Miami. She graduated.

[00:43:53] We went to dinner and got back at like 12. So I was very groggy this morning for work. But yeah, it went really well. And I literally thought like, OK, you know, the first week.

[00:44:03] Well, you guys had said if someone has an anniversary and I was like, it's me. It's my time. One anniversary. Like not a wedding anniversary. No. For like when we started dating. I'll allow it. Oh, OK.

[00:44:15] But you can make you could get married this day next year and make this date your anniversary. And so many ways. Well, we kind of already have a date. Not changing, Karen. To be honest, we actually changed it today. So oh, today it's been a year.

[00:44:32] No, we didn't change it to today, but it was February 9th until we realized that was the Super Bowl. I was kind of like, do we want everyone on their phone at our wedding? Like that doesn't really seem like a good idea. So that's good.

[00:44:47] You'll see who really cares. Probably kind of cheaper. Not a lot of traffic. Everyone's just at a bar. Yeah, I've seen people have weddings on like Fourth of July and sometimes even New Year's Eve. I went to a wedding on New Year's Eve. Yeah, kind of annoying.

[00:45:02] Well, Karen, let's talk about a different memorable date. In the past, though, not in the future. Wait, Karen first. I know a big brother soon. Do you have cats? So I'm sorry to disappoint you. I do not have cats.

[00:45:16] Karen, you're going to have to change your wedding date and you're going to have to get a cat. I don't want to tell you. Before Shannon radically changes Karen's life from the ground up, what, in your opinion, is the defining moment of Survivor Fiji? Survivor Fiji?

[00:45:30] Oh, is that the one we're on right now? So my gap in Survivor is between season 10 to season 31. I started watching. I started watching Millennials vs Gen X when it came out. And so then I kept watching every season. I was a Big Brother fan first.

[00:45:49] I've been watching that since I was 11. Eventually, I hopped on Big Brother. You're going to have to give up Big Brother and watch the season 21 season, then get a cat and change your wedding. I don't know what to tell you. It's been two weeks in the making.

[00:46:02] OK, OK. I see the first two, but you're telling me we're not watching Big Brother? OK. Open your mind. It's actually wonderful. But I don't feel like that's me being closed. Just watching both shows. But anyway. All right.

[00:46:17] Well, I don't know if I'm educating you on Survivor history, but if I may throw out an opening bid here for this discussion, it was considered in a preview of this season to be called by Jeff the most controversial decision in Survivor history.

[00:46:32] Is it as simple as Dream? Either Dreams not giving up immunity to Yao Man or Yao Man making the car deal at the challenge with Dreams? Making the deal. The one with the car deal, right? It's the one about the truck. The one with the truck deal.

[00:46:45] This is still about Survivor Fiji? OK, in Survivor Fiji, this is going to be a spoiler for Survivor Fiji, but in Survivor Fiji, Yao Man won the car and Dreams won the car. And so he said, if I give you the car,

[00:46:59] then you have to give me immunity at the final four. And they made that deal. And then Dreams did win immunity at the final four. He did not give up immunity. And then Yao Man, spoiler alert, got sent home.

[00:47:07] And that was super controversial because we looked at it through history. I feel like it has a different lens then and now, but definitely. It did kill one large pipeline of a sponsor to Survivors. If we talk about legacy, it certainly is there. The last car deal.

[00:47:21] The last car sponsor. OK, I think we're all on board. Kieran, just vote with us and get a cat. Yeah, if everyone is down with that, then sure. Especially since I haven't seen the season yet. I'm making my way through. I'm rewatching the old ones. All right.

[00:47:37] Good luck with your wedding, Kieran. Yeah, good luck. I hope you've picked a new date. And I hope everything goes well with the wedding planning. If you need someone to apparently make over your life, I think you found a person in the form of Shannon.

[00:47:50] She's giving you a to-do list. Sounds like a great life to me. I already have a wedding to do list right now. I don't know how many more to do lists. There are like 18 things, at least that are just on my mind.

[00:48:01] Well, thank you so much for coming on here. And apologies that it was a little belated, but better late than never. And happy anniversary. Yeah. Yes. Thank you so much. Yeah. Have a great night. Bye, Kieran. All right. There we go. All right. We've done that one.

[00:48:15] OK, here we go. There's a I was going to say there's a good book I read that's called The Lie About the Truck. It was written only a couple of years ago, and it's all about Survivor. If you love Survivor, which you might if you're on this podcast,

[00:48:27] I would definitely check it out. It's on Amazon. I'm looking at actually have it, but I'm like, it's pretty good book. And it talks a lot about Survivor reality TV. And yeah, The Lie About the Truck. Well, that just shows how iconic that moment is.

[00:48:38] I did have the Egaddo blindside, like definitely when the face is all full of the four horsemen. I feel like that's a moment. But the one with the truck deal is definitely the truck. OK, what do I Africa? Oh, this is a really interesting one.

[00:48:53] I was going to do the exact same thing. I'm like, this is the one of all 25 that I think I struggle with the most of. No, I thought that too. And then I thought this defines the season. This defines the win a bit. This defines the Survivor history.

[00:49:08] The first challenge throw into Silas getting swapped screwed. The one with what was it called? The twist. Is that the twist? I mean, the twist was the name of the episode. I would say the twist is more defining than because I do agree that this is a case

[00:49:21] where we are just getting into right where I think the challenge throw itself was a big moment. But I don't know if it's like a defining moment. So the swap itself. Yeah, I think that's fine. Yeah, I thought about.

[00:49:34] Yeah, I thought like my it's just weird again because we're going back to like the first. I guess episode five. And I feel like there's interesting because we go from argument to argument with like wrong episode four.

[00:49:45] And then we're talking about Natalie in the jacket and David Goliath, which is like episode five. But I'm like, I guess this is for a long retro for the first for the third season.

[00:49:55] It's like, I guess it would be the first time they implemented a really huge twist in the show. Yeah, it's tough because like it didn't necessarily have a huge impact on the season because once the tribes merged, then like it all kind of just

[00:50:08] Buran just basically got together again. I mean, I would say like maybe another thing, would it be the like Lex going after Kelly? I did think about like Lex looking at the witch hunt trying to figure out who voted for him. T-Bird line to Lex. T-Bird line.

[00:50:21] But I'm like, ah, and that's such a good that is a big moment on this season. It might be my runner up. Maybe. I don't know. But I do think the twist.

[00:50:30] The latter half of the season is very much defined by Lex and the fact that he kind of hoist himself by his own petard. But I don't know if it's like that big of a moment that it feels like that defines the entirety of the season.

[00:50:44] I don't think it does. I don't think it does. This might be another case where this speaks to almost a larger implication in survivor history, like the coconut shop than it does, like specifically define. And this definitely has less of a case than the coconut shop.

[00:50:56] But I mean, it is such a monumental, for lack of a better term, twist in the course of the rest of survivor history. Yeah, it's like very important from a production evolution perspective. I think it does matter to the strategy of the season because they throw the challenge

[00:51:12] and that like that's how it gets into, I don't know, them eventually having dominance as a thematic concept at least. Maybe the first challenge throw in the history of the show. It is. It is. Oh no, well, I mean, I guess like Richard not trying and like.

[00:51:27] Well, actually, OK, yeah, it's really there. The first tribe challenge throw. The first. Yes, yes. Yeah, and Silas falling to that, I think is a really big moment. Yeah, because he was the guy that was like the big power player of the first.

[00:51:39] It ages well, so I don't know. Silas getting screwed, you know? Yeah. So maybe that's I think that was that was my number one. Yeah, I think it's gotta be that. And to your point, episode five, but that's almost halfway through the season in Africa. That's true.

[00:51:55] It was like 13 episodes. Yeah, I mean, if you don't like all these early episodes defining it, let's change the Caleb moment together, pretty. And you can make it a tie and then we can debate it again.

[00:52:06] Listen, there might be another Caleb moment that happened halfway through a season that we can talk about it with another season here. What about Big Tom putting a feather in his butt acting like a chicken? No, not good enough. All right. That's a nice runner up. Maybe not.

[00:52:23] The second runner up. Bronze medalist. Nope. It has bronze as the late Kim Johnson. Would you give this a five star bingo ball thing? No, I mean, the numbers are tiny. I feel like the machine is hard to maneuver. Like you've lost him a lot.

[00:52:39] Is that the fault of the machine or is it is it like that's on you? But like there's a give and take. It's not the if it could be bigger, right? Like the opening and. Um, no, I mean, the machine itself is kind of small.

[00:52:51] But and that's that's fine. It's more it's hard to get the balls out. But that might be a skill issue. And then the fact that I don't know the ball. We'll have to do a third podcast with the bingo ball and. We'll have to.

[00:53:02] Otherwise, it was a waste of time. I mean, literally, look, they're all in my pocket. Like this is what I'm like. So it's like they're tiny. Yeah, I know. I hope I don't like accidentally put this in the wash without taking the bingo balls. All right.

[00:53:14] Which of the tiny balls do you have your hands on? These are the tiny balls. I have the tiny caramel ball. Caramel in. All right. So there's a couple. I think that could be. Yeah, I mean, I think the first thing we go to is like

[00:53:27] the most memorable one, which is the three amigos tribal council. Interesting. So there's three. Yeah, so I didn't have that. Did you have a take out your teeth? I had the Don and Brenda controversy.

[00:53:41] Yeah, but I've also thought like you got the brand enhance meltdown in episode five, which does define, I think, a lot of the negativity and oddness that Caramel is known for. I do feel like it kind of defines it kind of well, which is kind of bad,

[00:53:54] but like the overall feeling. But then I'm like, you know, the Brendan Don, it probably eclipses what happens in the premerge. And it also has this icky, weird vibe feeling at the end of it all. I think that's a very good point.

[00:54:08] I think as well, if you talk about like, will Maria not voting for Charlie be the one that stands the test of time for 46? I do feel like it wasn't as direct as like Don votes Brenda out and then

[00:54:18] Brenda leads the charge to not vote Don to win. But like certainly something that was the thing to talk about this point that Brenda finished second in the fan favorite polling, despite being purple until her boot.

[00:54:30] I think there's a I mean, yeah, so that those are the two I had three amigos. I think the three amigos is the biggest moment. Yes, it's defining. That's the question we're going to ask. You'd have hold up bro, which is smaller than three amigos.

[00:54:42] It's a honorable mention. And then with, you know, Dawn taking out her teeth, you could have the family visit as like connected to that where Brenda gives up the family visit and then watches them on that pontoon.

[00:54:55] But I do think that these are all kind of runners up to the three amigos or Dawn taking out a teeth. So given that the three amigos, I think it's the biggest moment is taking out the teeth defining enough to eclipse the big.

[00:55:09] I will say my personal I would probably still go with Don and Brenda just because the. I'd agree. I think of Kara Moen, I do generally get like a mixed emotional feeling inside when when I consider the entire season and

[00:55:22] the three amigos are more of like a side plot that blows up after a few episodes into the merge. But I don't know if it for me defines like beat by beat. Did the feeling with I feel like the Don Brenda encapsulates

[00:55:37] the Shemar, the brand in the Philip Ness, the. Yeah, the lunchbox, you know, it just sort of all comes to a head with. It's just a series of like slightly unpleasant, unpleasant moments

[00:55:49] until we get to the end of it with Teethgate and the, you know, the final travel. So yeah, I think that it defines how we think back on the season and go. Yeah, a little bit.

[00:56:00] I think like the reason why, again, I think the Liz moment ended up winning out for 46 is because we thought it really invoked how wildly emotional and funny 46 was over again, like what you remember about the season. This definitely evokes the tone more and is more memorable.

[00:56:15] I would say that the three amigos, tribal council is more memorable in the course of survivor history because you could argue it is one of the first live tribal councils in the show's history.

[00:56:24] But I still think in terms of representing and defining the season, it goes to Brenda and Don. Yeah, I mean, Malcolm is so defining for me. That's what made me a super fan was that Malcolm double. I was so in love with him that I watched.

[00:56:38] I would be game a full superfan from that alone. And so that was very defining for me. But it's hard because neither of those moments are a Cochran moment. And Cochran's incredibly OTT edit and him winning is such a big part of that season.

[00:56:52] But I would also say that like Cochran was not nearly as much of a character as he was in 23 either. So it's like you have a defining moment. He already got one, right? Like you guys picked that for South Pacific, the Cochran flip? Yeah, yeah, we did.

[00:57:04] That one. Maybe if we were Jeff Probst defining moments, it would be Cochran, you know, and so it'd be like Cochran winning the eating challenge. Yeah, the one with Cochran. And then the other one with Cochran. That would be the moment. The one with Cochran part two.

[00:57:21] I think the best moment is the Three Amigos. But I don't know if this season deserves a best moment as its defining moment. That's almost against the vibe. Yeah, I think that's a very valid point. Yeah, okay, well we'll do the teeth. That's great. Hang in there, Shane.

[00:57:37] We'll do the teeth. I think this one's really obvious too, but it's Tocantins. Oh yeah, coach, coach, go the monastic approach, right? We're going to take the monastic approach to discussion about this. What's the, is it the up close screenshot of him and it's facing him?

[00:57:54] Is it the hike on the dune? I think we could cheat a little bit and have this be like basically the entire. It's the entire thing. I mean, it is. That's him on XL. I don't think it needs, I guess the question is,

[00:58:04] is it that or is it him walking back and especially doing the whole like goo over the top pass out during the endurance challenge? I think it's him on XL. I think it's still him on XL.

[00:58:17] Yeah, the crazy thing is that, I mean, Tocantins gives us so many important characters and it's a really fun season and yet I don't actually have another, a second moment. Like, is coach on XL so defining or am I not thinking of like other good honorable mentions here?

[00:58:32] I mean, coach was in this era where we're going to have like a lot of editing on one specific main character and this was coach. He was by far like the most talked about person from the season.

[00:58:42] I think the second thing would be some sort of Steven and JT moment, but there's nothing. Yeah, like it's another. It's a season long storyline that doesn't really have them. Maybe the final two final two breakfasts. I don't know. Is it like Steven under the bus?

[00:58:57] That's not right, though, because that doesn't define what JT and Steven were like. That's almost like the adverse of what that's like. The epilogue of the Lord of the Rings when they come back home and like the shire gets attacked.

[00:59:07] Yeah, that's like that doesn't define that for the novelization. I'll agree with you. I feel like I know what that is. The I feel like there's like a picture. I don't know if there's a moment, but there's definitely a picture of like JT and Steven holding hands.

[00:59:22] That's defined. There is and they look out onto their camp. I've seen that. Yeah, I know that's that's before they go off to the final tribal. It's like the ritualistic burning of the camp, but I still think it's coach on exile. Yeah, no, it definitely is like this.

[00:59:34] I just wanted to see that. Oh, you can't see it. It's working. OK, it worked fine. There you go. Invincible. I think it's that that that's the defining moment of. But that's not on exile. It is on exile.

[00:59:47] It's it's standing on the top with him on the game. Like it. I think it just represents how over the top this man is as he went over the top of a dune. Right.

[00:59:56] And then and then the second most is him at the challenge when he's like crying. What do they do? That he literally like as he's like, he's like, oh, then he goes, you know, and then

[01:00:08] when Courtney does an impersonation of like, oh, we're going to do that challenge. Like when coach said you, that's where it comes from. That's good. All right. Well, OK, that's it, I guess. I guess that could be something with the era people are saying maybe the Tyson blindside.

[01:00:20] But I think they're all just honorable mentions to be inevitable. Yeah. Poachers home. Did you have a poem? That was him. That was him. Like before. Hold up, bro. I have a poem to read before before I leave.

[01:00:34] I mean, he also had the stories, the Amazon story, like all of that. By getting his asshole in now. Yeah. You said it. You need to. I think we all knew what it was, but we're going to our next house. Now we're just chatting.

[01:00:47] All right, let's go recent 45. OK, now this is an interesting one. Let's let's throw out some pics here. I have the whole Kelly. What the hell, guys? Whoa. I'm sorry. Whoa. We have Caleb shot in the dark play.

[01:01:04] We have arguably if you want to go to like a moment that defines a winner. Is it detailing Julie to play the idol, something that she will pull out as her like, you know, final nail in the coffin at the final tribal council?

[01:01:17] Yeah, I've got all of that. You swear on Nana. The final five. Yeah, the final the final five is a good representation of the season of it's just being a hot mess where nobody is on the same page. So I don't know because I don't know if that's 45.

[01:01:31] Yeah, because the narrative of 45, right? There was an alliance of four that pretty much ran the whole game until a certain point when it all kind of shattered apart. There were there were foreshadowing 46 with that one. Yeah, they gave us a dose of 46 at the end of 45.

[01:01:43] Yeah, I think they're going to be good against the plurality vote. I've already gone against the minority split, but I can't lose my entire essence, but I don't think it is the final five. Oh yeah, could it be? Could it be the Caleb shot in the dark?

[01:01:53] So the Caleb shot in the dark. I'm just trying to think about like how does that define the season? Because the season is maybe if he had lasted longer, it could be. Is that the idea?

[01:02:03] The season is all about dominance, like it's the most dominant winner of the new era. It is the most dominant alliance we probably have seen alongside the Ticas. So that's why maybe the Kelly would also be in play because that was a Reba move, right?

[01:02:15] They were the ones to specifically say all the bellows are going for Bruce. We're going to take a shot at Kelly. And it does include as well the comedy that exists and the big character moments with this cast.

[01:02:26] It's hard because I don't know the Reba defines the season. I've spoken about this before and I've spoken about this with some of the listeners in that the season could be in thirds of Lulu, Bello, Reba. And Lulu to me is so defining.

[01:02:38] Like I think as much as there's like the Reba 4 dominance, I mean, that's how we get a really dominant winner. Lulu, like a lot of these moments that I have, even as honorable mentions, I think I have an honorable mention as Hannah quitting.

[01:02:47] Let's talk about it because everyone did, right? So I think, you know, it was somewhat defining. It wasn't even the first, the only quit of the season. It defines like the chaos of Lulu. I also think that like the Sabaya boot is a crazy moment.

[01:03:01] I know this is all really early as we're saying we're going really early. But I think that you could talk about that. But I think that Caleb and the shot in the dark, that defines like the whole Lulu journey to there. There's a bit of Emily in that.

[01:03:11] I think that's so important. I feel like the Emily is also involved though in detailing Julie to play her idol. And like how thematic is that? That the last Lulu gets taken out due to like a majority idol play

[01:03:22] where she's the only, there's with only one vote to her name. Yeah, those are the two for me is the telling Julie to play her idol. I do think it's a combination of a lot. I do think it ties it all up.

[01:03:31] It's definitely later as something that pretty seems to want. So maybe there might be a choice. I wrote Caleb shot in the dark, but I'm like now I'm like, is that consistent with how I've been handling this podcast for the past hour?

[01:03:42] I feel like it might not be. And what I will say is that you all care about consistency. Thank you. What I will say is Jeff, I did ask Jeff Probst, what's the theme of 45? And he said it was all about duos and secrets.

[01:03:54] And where is it represented in a scene where a duo in D and Julie, you know, D reveals a secret or has a secret reveal to her that Julie's going and tells her to play her idol? Another one about Caleb and Emily's information.

[01:04:09] And we get the I'm not I'm not Batman. I'm just I'm the Canadian. And then he plays a shot in the dark. But is that but yeah, but does that factor into the shot in the dark play?

[01:04:18] Like you could take what Jeff said and extrapolate that to any way. Like it was with a secret. OK, Mike and I are a duo, and our secret is that peridium didn't know that this was going to be a nightmare.

[01:04:28] Like anything could be like that's just the podcast. That's behind the podcast. I think for me, it would be that Caleb playing the shot in the dark is the bigger moment. And I think detailing Julie is the more defining moment.

[01:04:40] So again, it's the psychotomy of which one do we go with? And then it becomes it's the same thing. It's like, is it so big that it eclipses definition?

[01:04:49] I go to the I come to this crossroads a lot when I sit down and like outline a YouTube video where it's like, what do I think most people would want me to say?

[01:04:56] And what do I probably need to say to be consistent with the idea of the exact topic of the 15 minutes? And I would probably say it's D talking to Julie. But I did initially write Caleb shot in the dark. Yeah, I go back to that a lot.

[01:05:09] And I think about that a lot with 45. But I do think that like the Reba dominance capping off the season, the the I don't know. I mean, this is another one where it's like there are a handful of moments. The Bruce Blinds, how you pointed out.

[01:05:22] I don't know if that necessarily defines it, but it's up there. I would I would say Caleb shot in the dark defines the new era. D and Julie defines 45. That's a decent argument. I am currently swayed to go with D and Julie.

[01:05:36] Yeah, because I think the shot in the dark is like you. What are you saying? What I want to be honest. Yeah, I don't even know what you're swaying me to. What do you what do you want? I don't know.

[01:05:42] I feel like we need to give a little bit more to Caleb, but I don't think I need to be swayed back to Caleb. I feel like you were convincing me not Caleb because it's too. But then you also did say, well, no, I don't know.

[01:05:51] I think Lulu is Lulu. Right. But I don't know if Lulu defines the season so much because it is Caleb and Emily. But Caleb gets clipped in the next episode. I think when we have 50 and they're running back like this was Survivor,

[01:06:04] they're going to have to show that Caleb. Right. But I don't know if that's necessarily defining this season. I watched Caleb play. That's why I say it's defining the new era. They'll show the three of you guys.

[01:06:15] Hey, these these advantages exist so that anyone can be safe at any point in time. That's the danger. You never know when you're going, J. Maya is. I think it shows like they should have the shot. We should have had Caleb go longer. That's the that's the biggest.

[01:06:28] Anyway. Yeah, it is unfortunate that he just does leave the next time. I watched that episode three times in the space of like 20 hours because I did the I did the noodles that day and then I watched again.

[01:06:38] And like I wanted to watch my brother and Peter watching it. I want to watch them. Oh, their reaction. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, it's still hits and I'm watching three times in there. I was a little delirious. I don't know. Is it really detailing, Julie?

[01:06:51] I mean, that defines the win, but it's not always the winning story. Sometimes it's a losing story. And sometimes losing is the story. And that was, I think, I mean, the Lulu. Because of that moment, that was losing. I know, but that was such a weird family.

[01:07:07] I mean, to be fair, the moment you're thinking about Lulu one in that moment. Yeah, the defining moment of the season when Lulu comes out on top. What a victory. Got one victory until the inevitable. And then they immediately crash and burn. Yeah, that's Lulu.

[01:07:21] But we already had that moment earlier in the season when they won a reward challenge that immediately lost. They did it a lot. I am I'm like 60 40 on Caleb. Yeah, I'm pretty staunch in the in the D and Julie camp. So pretty much up to you.

[01:07:36] Maybe I should calculate percentages. At all, percentage. Just come on here. I think I'm going to have to go against what I would like to say, even though I think I have I think it's better argument with Mike, unfortunately, for Shannon. Well, I'm 60 40 myself. Like, I'm not so.

[01:07:52] OK, that's fine because I'm thinking I'm 60 40 in the other way. And with that means you're 100. I would say like I'm 95 5. I can never be 100 anything. So it feels like of the 300 percent up for grabs, they got 195 percent. So one. There you go. I don't know. It's 9 a.m.

[01:08:13] How many of these do we have left? Are we making a good clip here? I think we might we might have to go a little lightning round at like 730. There's a couple we can just sort of blitz through. Yeah, we're doing really, really well. The biggest was very.

[01:08:22] I think there's one that I'm like, I don't know. But otherwise, I think that was that we just talked to. I think one of the bigger discussion. Yeah, yeah. We're halfway through. We're doing really well. This is this is my other red one, though. I know it is 24.

[01:08:35] One world. It is. This is another one for me where I was like, OK, so we can win. So it's tough because so there is there's Kim stuff. And then there's also a representation of like how the opposition to Kim

[01:08:50] was a little subpar, which would be the men purposely giving up immunity to go to tribal council. The bad news is that does not involve one of the most dominant winners of all time. I mean, there's a theme that carries on after Colton gets medivacs

[01:09:03] where the men continue to channel their disaster tribe of it all, where they just slowly turn on each other. They quickly turn on each other and then slowly get picked off, not even realizing. But I don't know if it's like because I feel like Kim playing arguably

[01:09:17] the strongest game in the history of the show. Dominance, at least, is ultimately like what caps off this season for me. But it starts with the absolute crash and burn that is the men's tribe. Yeah. And I feel like the biggest moment might be Colton getting medivac.

[01:09:32] But I don't know if that defines the season per se. And the tough thing is, is that Tim Kim played an incredibly dominant game. But unlike Rob in the volcano or the map blindside, like is there a huge calling card that Kim had?

[01:09:45] You know, is it like the J blindside or like when they convinced them to turn on Michael Jefferson? The cat blindside, maybe is it like as a cat saying how much she loves blindside is willing to get blindsided herself. I don't know.

[01:10:00] I think this is the exact issue that 44 had in that it feels so wrong to do anything other than Tika slash Kim. But there is no like Kim's moment is that from the whole season long, she just completely dominated.

[01:10:14] So I mean, is it Trojan and this is this is my island. But almost but almost like the Caleb point like but then it goes nowhere. Right. He does like a Chris Doherty storyline where like he goes on to a waste and win.

[01:10:27] Don't even put that timeline out there. Can you imagine if we lived in that sliding doors moment? But then I'm pretty but then I'm pretty sure he goes in the next episode, right? Because like leaf goes and then he does right after he doesn't win immunity.

[01:10:40] I can't even the men being bad and like giving up immunity, it's on the list, but like I can't give it to the men in Kim season. I cannot do it. Right. This isn't where the women completely just steamroll.

[01:10:52] But I'm like, that's like looking at the premerge of like Micronesia and giving it to one of those. But there isn't like there is no Black Widow moment. There's no. Yeah, yeah. Epic like challenge. What about when she when she hangs on the that challenge

[01:11:06] where she's like hanging on the rope? I don't think so. But what about when she talks about her options? That's to me. Oh, yeah, that's who that's a nice. She says it like every episode.

[01:11:18] If you take a shot every time Kim as a confessional where she mentions the word options. Could it be like something? And this is not really a memorable moment, but like when they do touchy subjects

[01:11:28] and like Kim is voted on as the one that they trust with their life, like that represents almost Kim's game in a nutshell. But it's not very memorable. Yeah, I didn't remember that happened to you just said it. Maybe it's the one with no definition.

[01:11:42] Maybe there's no definition. Do we just say we pull Mulligan? We say not pulling myself. It's the one where Kim wins. Which is like just Kim winning, which is like, I guess. I mean, it felt like she won. I thought she was the winner in the pre-season.

[01:11:57] She was the only winner. I was like from the moment they showed the cast interviews, I was like, I think she's going to win. And then it just never stopped. I think it's her winning. I think it's like a moment she went winning.

[01:12:08] Yeah, it's so it's so I mean, maybe like when she like wins the final immunity challenge, maybe, but that doesn't even remember what that challenge was. The defining moment. What was it? I think I think it was like stacking the balls and maybe it was like for them.

[01:12:22] And then to me, it was that moment of like, OK, now I know she definitely makes the final three. She's going to win. But yeah, I think it might be it's simple to your point is like her winning the winner.

[01:12:30] This is a sign off of like, oh, wow. Outside of returning, someone can play an incredibly dominant game. You know, I think I can get on board with Kim winning. I think that probably to me has the strongest hook to it,

[01:12:42] because when I do think about one world, it's like that's where I think probably the most dominant winner in the history of the show, other than maybe Boston Rob showed up and did their thing on their first try.

[01:12:52] And it's always usually about Kim and how it sort of came to be. But yeah, I would say it's the one where Kim won. Yeah, where Kim crushed the competition. And you could also argue about like echoes through survivor history.

[01:13:05] It was this is seized and besides the Black Widow Brigade that help embolden paranoia about all women's alliances. I think as well, you can't do that for Tika, obviously, because Jam Jam winning doesn't define Tika's dominance in just Jam Jam. It doesn't. Even beating Carolyn.

[01:13:18] And not to mention that with with no disrespect to people like Sabrina and Chelsea, like Kim was the star of that alliance. Whereas I think Jam Jam and Carolyn certainly were regarded as like one to billing on the Tika three. Also, Carson was a very big.

[01:13:32] He was a big, very, very, very big player, very big character. So I think he winning. I think we can do it. OK, OK, sounds good. That was the biggest one that I had to talk about. I was like, I don't know where I'm going downhill from here.

[01:13:44] I'm willing to update the red to the yellow for Kim winning. I think that's good enough. I think that's good. I think it's good enough. OK, let's go to Panama. Oh, OK. The nail shot there. Driving up, put you in that in that. Can I curse?

[01:14:04] So we like to curse. Sure. Shitty apartment. I don't think that was what we have to clarify. Let me just say. So that's the thing is that it really comes down to me of like,

[01:14:14] do we go with the comedy of Panama or do we go with like an iconic survivor moment? And I have such a bias because my favorite episode is on Panama of the entire series of Survivor. It's the Bruce Medivac, and it's not because Bruce gets medivac.

[01:14:29] But it's a part of it. It's so freaking funny. It's my number one favorite episode. I've rewatched probably one part. What part? Why is it your favorite episode? There's a so I made a video about this like five years ago where I broke down

[01:14:42] like pretty much the entire episode, every scene works off of the next. And they're all it's almost all gold in every single scene with like just the comedy of it all. And then it kind of even makes light of a medivac in a weird way.

[01:14:57] Oh, it completely does. It does. I mean, it says it's a cherry on her pretty poo poo day after the man got medivac for being constipated. Yep. Um, funniest moment. Sure. Define not to the finding moment.

[01:15:08] The question, though, is that like this is regarded as one of the funnier seasons. Does a moment like that represented over something like three to one, which is like it's tough because Sari, I think, is a star on that season and represents also one of these

[01:15:22] inimitable survivor journey. She got up off the couch. She went from being afraid of leaves to like a game breaking strategy in this plurality vote to get the goat. But like, does that obfuscate some of the chaos and comedy that Panama is? It does.

[01:15:37] I mean, look, yes, because size insanity does mean moments like that. Possibly. I did have as well. I'll kill you. I'll kill you in your shitty apartment. The Blackberry Shane moment question mark, which could be any of like Siri looking at Shane's nether regions.

[01:15:53] But look, in this podcast, I've argued against a minority split vote of defining. I've argued against the two one one one. I cannot go against the three to one. So read three to one. It's a read. That is everything. I can't. I have.

[01:16:06] Please no, not Bruce being constipated over the three to one for my heart and my soul. Please. Look, that's probably my biggest fear of everyone on Survivor is getting constipated. I was going to say. It's a three to one. Yeah.

[01:16:21] So he shows up in three to ones being episode one. I would take it as an honor. I hope that happens, which could happen, by the way, if we got it, we've got a three to one in the new area.

[01:16:29] And I've wait not in the first the first episode, at least. Anyway, I put three to one as the defining moment of the season. I think with the legacy of three with the it's I mean, it's tough because I don't really

[01:16:41] view Panama as a strategic season that much because it's very much just like here's a Mary ban and misfits against like the big bag boss and Terry Dietz. And then there's just like a lot of calamity in spite of the simple, the simple dynamic there.

[01:16:56] But the three to one does hold up really well. It's it's it's an incredible moment. And three fields is such a legacy to her. Yeah, I think this is where we again, we go back to this fork in the road of like,

[01:17:06] this is a moment that I think almost defines survivor and like both the concept of splitting these votes as well as also the concept of getting the goat of saying like this person is taking up a spot in the final two.

[01:17:17] So I want to take them out even though they lose at the end. I think that speaks more towards the pantheon of survivor than the chaos of Kaseya. So I could see this a case where like it doesn't necessarily apply to the season,

[01:17:29] but it's appropriate for survivor history. To be fair, firstly, families in the chat saying boo vote poop. There was no poop. That's the whole point, right? I can know there's no proof. Yeah, that's the whole general constipation.

[01:17:42] The whole point is I think I could argue that the three to one does define the chaos and the I was going to say there's a lot of confusion in the strategy and the fact that they pulled off a three to one here is pretty wild, though.

[01:17:54] This is also the season that did what, like a three to two to one to one vote on Bob Dogg as well. That's the precursor. I think the rough draft. Exactly. And that's Kaseya. Like this is when they eventually have to crack.

[01:18:07] This is when all of those factions start coming at each other and so re capitalizes on that right to achieve three to one is insanity. If Bruce managed to actually go to the bathroom, we would get a three. No, we wouldn't get the three to one one.

[01:18:20] Now there was no two there. There would have been all three to one. Yeah, right. But I would have voted. I mean, what is also interesting as well? You talk about evocative of themes. This is yet another vote that Terry is left out on as well.

[01:18:31] I think he finally feels like now that he's the last lamina standing, he's brought into what he thinks is an RS vote alongside Courtney, and it turns out that that is not the case. So it also ties that in.

[01:18:41] It also ties into like Shane and Courtney also being their kookiness and they don't. They're also on the outs. So I do think there's elements to it that define this to define it overall. There we go. Three to oh, that's the vote. Yeah, I had two battering rams.

[01:18:54] It's like which of the twos is going to define us to battering ram. But I would also say like this is lack of two. I mean, the weird thing is that as well, like two battering rams, like again, if I

[01:19:04] come down to honest winning the final immunity challenge and voting out Terry, then yes, that makes a lot of sense. But again, it's this weird thing where like, no, it's Danielle who goes who helps Terry

[01:19:15] help save her and then she immediately votes him out and she's the one to get rid of. It was like Ghost Island with like Dom versus Wendell or something like that. And this was Terry versus Aris, Aris all season.

[01:19:24] I could see that maybe having a moment where that was like the head of the conflict where they really physically hit each other. But I do think that I think the three to one is we did it. We do it.

[01:19:35] We're going to we're going to be able to look back at this with pride. OK, absolutely. Absolutely. And honorable mention to Bruce and the medivac. Yeah, specifically Bruce being taken out with naked chain. Right. We're doing this right now. OK, millennials versus Gen X.

[01:19:53] Oh man, there's another one. OK, OK, another one that could be the that could be the man. Here we go again. So let me let me throw someone if we're talking about big moments. We have the rock drop. We have David getting voted out again.

[01:20:08] He is someone who has this story storyline of like becoming the power player of the season and getting voted out. We have Adam confessing to Jay about the situation with his mother, which represents that yin yang dynamic as well as Adams. Why for being here?

[01:20:22] We could even have from a certain perspective him revealing his mother in the final tribal council as well. Yeah. Yeah. So I have a few. So I had I think rock if it's going to define any season because we didn't give it to 27.

[01:20:36] We didn't give it to my cases. I feel like so I have rocks. They can breath heart to heart. Adam telling Jay about his mom as my top category and then Adam at the final tribal council for me in my second. What about the bread? Bread and Zeke?

[01:20:48] So yeah, yeah. So bread and Zeke defined Melanin over example of defining the theme of this season, right? Despite all the cringiness of Jeff's, though, do they still use vinyl? Do you text the letter you or do you spell it out like this was a genuine, sincere moment

[01:21:03] where two people across generations connected over a shared community? And it was like a really celebrated scene in survivor history that I think does a good job of like defining the season from that perspective. But is that the perspective we're going from when it comes to?

[01:21:18] I don't think it defines it. I think it's a good moment. I don't know if it defines millennials, Gen X and the chaos that is. There's a very strategic season with a lot of heavy hitters.

[01:21:27] I don't know if that character on it, but I mean, do we go with Jay getting tricked by the fake idol? I think for me, if it's going to be a gameplay moment, which I think it should be because

[01:21:37] it's hard, then I would go rocks because I feel like rocks is hard because it's not millennials versus Gen X. They were in random groups. So that almost defines the season. They were in trust clusters. Exactly. That it was so fluid and so gamey.

[01:21:49] Like my brother was saying that you could put we were talking about the defining the eras last season. I guess survivor discourse will never be solved. He was saying that, you know, 32, as we said, film before 31 should be put with that because 30 and I don't agree.

[01:22:02] 33 did, I think, trigger this like big moves, super gamey, postmodern meta. Yeah. When you have trust clusters being defined or you have like the pendulum strategy being like articulated as like with a name.

[01:22:16] And I think that them going to rocks was that chaos, was that gamesmanship, was somehow the fluidity and that it's not even going to last in the next episode. Which is ironic, yeah, given the fact that they were so staunchly solid.

[01:22:28] They said we're that's I think the thing. I mean, it was the final four, right? Like that's but no, well, at the final 10, that's where they go to rock. No, I know. But I know, I know.

[01:22:37] But I'm saying that the final of the five of the 10 that go to the final four. And so that's the thing that could define the rest of the season as well is that like those five do relatively quick.

[01:22:48] So it was the I was that Zeke Zeke and David go to war against each other. Yeah. Yeah. The back half of that episode. And then that and we'll flip the next episode.

[01:22:57] But then the other flips back, but it doesn't matter because Adam plays an idol on Hannah anyway. But it goes to show that it does sort of like the poverty double idol play.

[01:23:05] It does kind of inform the rest of the season, even though they end up losing in that moment. I think it does serve as a nice representation of the fact that this was a very gamey cast

[01:23:13] that was going to play very hard considering it was at the final 10. Half the cast was still left in the game and they chose to leave it up to fate. I've been. Yeah, I didn't really have a great moment for this. Now you've run through all of them.

[01:23:27] I did look at like maybe Adam winning defines it, but I don't think it does. I think it's a very great moment, one of the most emotional in my opinion. Yeah, but I think the rock draw because it's again taps into the theme of they had these

[01:23:40] two generals and it's like the millennials and the Gen X. Now the armies are a little bit up in the air as far as who's in what camp. But I think that's also pretty compelling.

[01:23:47] And I think that it speaks to the level of gamesmanship and competition that goes in like a lot of seasons don't do that. They just yeah, somebody's going to flips more than that. But these guys went to the bitter end to left it up to chance.

[01:24:01] So I would say the rock draw probably. I'm convinced. You've got Vick and Brett in that. Yeah, you know, it's like, you do like the combination. You're even involved with the whole tribal council.

[01:24:10] You can do David Wright's anxiety getting called out as well, which wraps up into his arc. So many things. Yeah, I think the fact that like Vick and David are leading it, I think,

[01:24:20] you know, everyone's got a part to play when it's all 10 people left in the game. So yeah, I think that that has to be it. You have like Will being super gamey and he was going to flip and then he thought someone else would flip.

[01:24:31] I think we did it. Oh, one has fallen. Bigger bullet. Oh boy. Don't let the cat get it. She looked up and she was like, do I bother waking up for this? And she's like, no. Um... Vanuatu. Vanuatu. B9. All right. Bubba's Bob Barker shirt. No.

[01:24:53] I'm going with this was a tricky one, a little vague, but I think it's the Leanne blindside for me. My initial thought. I was like, how do you incorporate the overall arc of Chris coming from behind? And I think it starts here.

[01:25:08] Really? I mean, it starts prior to this, but like it really is the defining catalyst where things shift. And Chris is now in the and it takes part when the whole theme of the men and the women and the women are dominating. But a man wins the season.

[01:25:23] And the Leanne blindside is where the other shoe drops and it just involves all of the biggest, the biggest players of the season. OK, I'm going to passionately fight for this. Did we really not do this the first time?

[01:25:34] Because I feel like I've already passionately fought for this. I have the Leanne boot in the second tier. I have Chris at the final travel council at the second tier. OK, pleading excuse. But first year. I'm going to ask about that, yeah.

[01:25:45] First year and I'm very, I really, I need your support on this guys. I need to win one. I really care. Twyla swearing on her son's life. So to find it, give me it as a child. I look back and I remember it so well.

[01:26:01] It defines the loss which defines Chris's win. It's the moment. That's the one moment I can't like picture the image of Leanne's blindside. I do believe that's the defining vote. But is the defining moment of Twyla's loss into the moment? What's the thing she says?

[01:26:14] Maybe if I'm something God will forgive me. Maybe if I win the million, God will forgive me or something like that. Yeah, yeah. Yes, important in so defining. So God did not forgive her. Well, I don't know what to say.

[01:26:26] We did it back and she gets to make up for it. I'm between I see your argument. I would be between that and some sort of Chris final travel council moment where it's whether it's like, Julie, I brought you your hat or something

[01:26:38] because that really is I agree with you pretty on that from a momentum perspective. Yeah, everything start to shift. But like Chris Doherty's game in a nutshell was like, ask out tells him, right? Like you can't bullshit a bullshitter.

[01:26:48] And like Chris brings one of the best final travel council performances in the show's history by like absolutely eating crow, sucking up when Twyla doesn't do it. I would also say like, I don't think this would make it. But Chris's confessional, maybe it's in that episode of like,

[01:27:04] you question a woman's character, she'll stab your neck. But you open your heart, show them and you're vulnerable. That's when they open up the back door. But it's a pretty iconic confessional. But I don't think for the reasons we is that defining?

[01:27:17] I guess to a degree, because I think he just defines an entire strategy right there. Now of like, listen, you got to suck up a little bit.

[01:27:23] You got to you got to get a kiss ass brown nose so that you're the one who ends up in the green. Yeah, I'm I'm conflicted. I feel like on one hand, this is a season with the narrative of Chris starts out in

[01:27:36] episode one with he's the prime target to go and he's the winner and it's his arc to get there. But I also am like, but it very much hinges on Twila and Scout and their ultimate like that. The whole premerge is focused on them with the women, right?

[01:27:51] And how they end the work ethic between the younger women and the older women. And then they come into the merge. They have the flip that happens with getting Julie over flipping against the guys. Then they ultimately make the flip on the women.

[01:28:04] And like if Twiler Scout one, I think I would be a little more sold on it being a distinctly Twila moment that defines the season. I mean, I guess her losing is another. There are a lot of seasons where the person who loses like Stephanie, for example,

[01:28:17] you could argue it's like it's not really about Danny winning. It's not really about Natalie White winning. It's more about the person who lost. So then I'm like, but I feel like Vanna Watch who does a really good job of threading a line

[01:28:28] between it is about Chris, but it is also about Twila. It's a little bit about both. So I feel conflicted about involving only one, but I don't know. Honestly, I don't know what to say. I don't know what to include for the defining moment.

[01:28:39] I mean, it could be Twila, but I'm like, how how do you not include Chris in a defining moment? I almost feel like the landline said, he is included because he's there. And yeah, like he was, she's going to lose. Right. And then he's going to win.

[01:28:51] Like those are the two options. Not that he won because she lost, but I do think that there's so much of that. It's like Eliza versus Twila, all of that, like proxicity and all of the, all of those relationships.

[01:29:02] And I think her, yes, swearing on her son's life. I try to look at the exact quote, but I think it was if I, maybe if I win the million, God will forgive me. Yeah. That's out of my mind so much from childhood.

[01:29:10] When I look back on this season, that's what I think about. I do think that the Chris confessional is defining, but maybe more in an ironic way or, you know, like because of the, like, I don't know, it's a weird confessional for a winning confessional.

[01:29:22] It's it's I guess it is kind of classic Chris. Yeah. That's the thing is that the dude had weird confessionals out the wazoo, out the back door. If it's Lilianne Buddha, if the moment for me is when like Chris is with his wife and he's like.

[01:29:35] And says like I'm going to die. It's funny because Chris doesn't have as much of an influence on the land at all. Yeah, I don't even know if that really works. That's more of like Twilight Scout, Eliza. Yeah.

[01:29:44] And it's the fact that like Amy's immune to it's not even Amy. But also, it's like the downfall. There's more of an impactful Chris led boot. It's the Julie boot. I mean, the season is largely defined, I think, by the women dominating.

[01:29:55] And then they ultimately collapse and they do collapse at the final seven, which is the Lianne Buddha. But then I could argue, is there a representation of the women collapsing in the form of one of them swearing on her son and then going back on that deal? Yes.

[01:30:10] Yeah, for for Twilight. I don't know if that defines the whole season, though. For all of them, for the chaos of the women. For it all breaking down. I mean, Mike, where are you? I'm not voting for her to win.

[01:30:20] I'm curious because I see I know where Shannon's going to go with this. And I mean, I would still probably go with a Chris led thing. Please, please. Is this where she said, guys, I need you for me. I need you to do this.

[01:30:34] Yeah, I think about the marriage. We're on someone's life. And if we if we if we I mean, it's a great God for me. Yeah. We can't do it out of my desperation and I still got like 10 other seasons to get to.

[01:30:47] So I'm like, maybe I'll just go with that just to say it because I could. And I guess technically, Chris is the recipient of her swearing on her kid's life. But actually, I, I don't want to do it. Don't do it out of pity.

[01:30:58] I don't need your pity. That's why love that's why I love in a nutshell. Right. Like, you know, vote for me because of that. Yeah, I would probably I'll just go with the Leanne boot.

[01:31:09] I know it's not like singularly momentous, but I mean, it sounds like if you're going with my anyway, then like the two of you will will outvote me. But I'm like 50 50. I was like going into it thinking it's the Leanne boot that defines the season.

[01:31:24] But I'm like, get voted out. Yeah, I guess I don't I don't think it's on the screen, but it's like what it represents. You know, every time I think about it, I do think of that.

[01:31:31] I don't actually think of like Leanne of Twyla losing and how, but then of course, there are seasons like Simo we're going to talk about. I don't know. I think it's both. I mean, I don't think the season is as much like Russell losing as Twyla losing,

[01:31:44] but I think it is a part of it. And I just think that moment is so defining. I think if Amy got voted out of the final seven, maybe that would be more iconic.

[01:31:51] But the fact that it's like a slow build, like the slow bleed of like Leanne into Amy is kind of not that it's like. Yeah, it's not because it's still a huge vote. It is the defining vote of the season for sure.

[01:32:02] But is it the moment like I'll give it to Shannon. She's put more effort into this argument and she really believes it. Mike, I don't know if I believe in it. And I'm 50 50. No, just don't do it. Pretty. If it's fine, like don't do it then.

[01:32:14] I don't want you to have to do something you don't believe in. I believe in it. Just I'm not like I wouldn't, you know, go to rocks for it. But, you know, well, that means you won't be on Millennials versus Gen X.

[01:32:23] No, maybe the reason I'm not into is I do have an eye on the clock and we've got. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, OK, we got 25 minutes to get a rapid fire. That's a little bit. So I'm like, I'll go with the Twilight.

[01:32:33] I think I think if I was doing the Leanne boot, I would do Chris telling his wife. He's OK. We won already. It's not over. China. I think this one's really obvious. James, blindside. Yeah, because I don't think there's much.

[01:32:46] You're talking about what a winner moment it is. That is Todd making a move, cutting one of his closest allies with two idols in his pocket. Right. And it really exemplifies Todd, Amanda, the whole thing, long dominance, even within themselves.

[01:32:58] James, two idols like what in the world final seven to even like it's a huge moment that's been referenced so many times and shows up on Island. Yeah, right. So I think this is easily I mean, this is one of those defining moments again in the show's history.

[01:33:14] Obviously, top five. It was a little bit by Eric following season, but it's up there. It's a rain is the dumbest survivor ever. Right. And that ties into it, you know, with the following season afterwards. Yeah. All the iconic characters. I think, yeah, it involves everything.

[01:33:30] And as we're saying, like defines the show in many ways. I think that it probably is to be defined the defining moments of the show. If we had a Mount Rushmore and this is next up, next up, I can't go into that.

[01:33:40] One thing on this I had in the second tier Jamie fake idol. And the reason that's fun is because I also put in the second tier for 44 Jamie fake idol. And then Excel just filled it in because I had it for both. All right. It's 43.

[01:33:53] Oh, so I don't know. Is it Gaebler winning or is it Jesse cutting? I think I personally decided for me and my own personal before I got on. I said, I think Jesse blindsiding Cody to find this even more

[01:34:05] because I think Gaebler winning is doesn't he's not as relevant in the scheme of if you rewatch the season, he's there. But Jesse and Cody take up so much of the post merge and even the pre merge. And that's swell. That comes with like it. It costs Jesse.

[01:34:21] He loses because he probably does it one round too soon or whatever. This is a different conversation. But Gaebler is the results. Gaebler wins as a result of Jesse's cutting Cody. But I don't think Gaebler wins otherwise. And I don't know if winning defines that season.

[01:34:34] Not to mention, I think that people remember the season by Jesse. I think that a lot of the strategy runs through him. Yeah, it would be weird to be like. And the moment that defines the season is something that doesn't really involve Jesse whatsoever.

[01:34:47] And also, it's a moment that reflects so much upon future seasons as well. I don't think we get a string of people turning on their number ones in 46. If Jesse doesn't turn on Cody here. I feel like it's one of the most emotional moments for the new era.

[01:35:01] And I think it's for me like, yeah. I wouldn't have thought that any moment could eclipse the Jesse Cody moment, which is, I think, for me, maybe the moment of the new era until the week after. Well, maybe not. Right.

[01:35:20] To be fair, could Peter have gotten a picture of you reacting that way to Jesse blindsiding Cody and we could make the same argument? I mean, definitely. It's hard because I just said that it's the defining moment.

[01:35:32] Maybe not the defining moment, but the biggest moment of the new era, I do think, is Jesse voting out Cody. I mean, I like it more as a moment. Do we look back at Gaebler winning now more? I think maybe we do.

[01:35:41] I think it's that shocking and maybe more talked about. I don't want it to be that moment. I think it could be that moment. I'm personally very torn. If you're both going to go the other way, then it doesn't matter.

[01:35:49] I think the common opinion might be Gaebler winning, but I think that when I look at what the findings, the season overall, I do think it comes down to the we got like Jesse giving us a whole scene of montage or had a blinds.

[01:36:00] I had to pull off a blindside in one episode. Yeah, they got the Dwight, the Dwight of it all with the idol ropes. I know we said that his opinion is a matter here, but he calls it a Hall of Fame move.

[01:36:09] Like, I think this is sort of like an Eric giving up immunity and a moment that eclipses sort of like the the pervades of the overall. I think Gaebler is a result of the win, but I think that up until that point,

[01:36:21] all of the season is this the Jesse and Cody. So I'm going Jesse blindsides Cody. Agreed. I mean, it's it's it's a better moment. It is. Yeah, this is something that I would have to explain. Sorry, Gaebler, you're finishing second for once. Right? That romance.

[01:36:37] Yeah, I've never been more blindsided by a winner. Just like Shannon, that photo of you is like me. That's the essence of like the Gaebler win for me. Yeah, I'm just like, oh, all right. Next up, what have we got?

[01:36:48] We should have maimed it more, but OK, I'm happy to go with that. But I do think we I mean, look, we've talked more about the Gaebler win since and probably will continue to. But I do think right. Both are good. Happy to do it. Thirty five.

[01:37:00] Yeah, this one's easy, too. So let's we can. Yeah, final four final fire making that that's not an advantage. Ironically, that's a different moment of the season. But that really was not. It's this the entire last last third of the season is the story of Ben,

[01:37:13] one man against an entire army. And yeah, it's like the last hurdle he has to get over basically. You could say Ben bombs, but there's like three of them at this point. So you could say like Ben playing the I don't take out Lauren,

[01:37:22] but maybe it does get nullified a bit ironically enough by the fact that he plays so many afterwards. He does it after after and then the fire making shows up. And you're like, oh, OK, that's what we're doing. Oh, OK. I know Big Brother's in 20 minutes.

[01:37:34] Is it the moment where he makes fire or is it the moment where Chrissy opens up what she got to learn? And I think it's the moment where he makes fire as a super fan. I always have the Chrissy with the and then they cut away.

[01:37:46] Yeah, they cut away. And it's like she interrupts her own. I want to see the raw footage of that. What did she actually say? Because I don't yeah, they show. I don't think it would be safe for television. Yeah, right.

[01:37:55] But you asked if you could swear saying shitty. I think it would have been a little bit worse than that. But I think I think it's the Ben fire making beating dead and maybe him standing up. This one is interesting with Cambodia.

[01:38:10] I think for me, it's Wentworth does not count. It's either when it's either like idolated in tribal council. I think it's either when it does not count or no votes. Yeah, that's actually I had not thought about the final six.

[01:38:24] And that's like Keith volunteering to go to the house. I do think that that defines again, like how hardcore strategy this was. But I still think Wentworth does not count in a sentence like the one where Wentworth does not count.

[01:38:37] It defines Wentworth's journey, which is tied in many ways to Jeremy's journey. I just think it's the biggest moment. Does it define she doesn't win, but in her loss, Jeremy wins. Like there's that defining kind of underdog story.

[01:38:50] The other two that I had were Jeremy and final tribal council talking about his impending child and the vote to get in. I know if we're doing we're not doing reunions. Are we doing preunions of them?

[01:39:02] Actually, that for me is like an all time as a fan moment of the fan vote. I don't think it's that I think it's when it does not count. But I just wanted to put this is it will not or is it does not? It's will not.

[01:39:12] We just did this on. Yeah, it's a little Mandela effect. It's we think it does not count because that's how he usually says it when idols are played. But it's will not count. He says will not. Right. OK, I've always had that. We've Mandela effect.

[01:39:24] But it's also not Natalie. Can I have your jacket? I mean, you can argue that will will not count is interesting because it's Kelly Wenworth, who proves almost the theme of the season. And like someone who gets blindsided, who gets voted out premerge in her first season

[01:39:38] is definitely the least known cast member going into the season, proves her worth. And also, you could argue, gives herself a second chance in the game by nullifying all the votes against her. I think she, for me, represents the theme of the second chance,

[01:39:53] like more than almost anybody else. Even though obviously all of them do in some way and they'll all have a story to tell, regardless of who ends up winning like Jeremy in this case. But I do think that that moment defines the season the best where she just

[01:40:05] she showed up when you walk into when you walk into Cambodia and you're kind of like, most people are going to be like, who? And after Cambodia, you're like, that's Kelly Wenworth. Yes. Yeah. To me, that's like, that's the defining moment.

[01:40:17] Whereas we knew Jeremy, we knew Spencer, you know, these are players we all but like Kelly and was probably bottom two for name recognition, I think going in, but came out of it maybe with the highest stock of anybody. Yeah. So maybe other than.

[01:40:32] I mean, the irony is, is that for a season and a postmerge that was all about the voting blocks and all these shifting allegiances, it's like one of the biggest pile on votes of the postmerge. But yeah, it's a big enough moment to warrant it. Yep.

[01:40:44] Yeah, I love that. I already thought it was that and you've just convinced me more. It's the biggest moment and you've also explained why it's defining. That's very important to me. Thank you so much. You're welcome. We sold it. Let's talk about a similar.

[01:40:58] We're talking about these similar people. Twenty nine. OK, so for me, this one is also summing up in a sentence. Jacqueline, did you vote for who I told you to vote for? For me, yeah, it's not West Nail reveal.

[01:41:12] See, 58 chicken nuggets and a five minutes in a eating competition. That's a very close second. OK, so it's between that and like stick to the plan leading into the whole.

[01:41:23] John to play the idol, which I think almost in the way that we talked about the men on one world is kind of a representation of like the hot mess that Sam on Del

[01:41:30] Sor was in the middle of its game or like all these guys are basically tripping over each other to get voted out in some way, shape or form. But if we're speaking towards like we've done with a bunch of these, this is how the winner won.

[01:41:43] It's got to be that. Like, yes, Natalie does have these moves where she votes Alec incorrectly or she blindsides John. But like this is her most public moment where she is able to single handedly, basically blindside Baylor out of the game. Yeah. Yep.

[01:41:57] It's like she splits up the duo, the mom and the mom and daughter. She idles. The whole second half is like the revenge plot of Natalie Anderson and how she managed how she managed it. It caps it off at the end with that.

[01:42:08] Did you vote for I told you before? So for me, yeah, that was the show. And even though stick to the plan is great, it's a huge, you know, it's a very big moment. It's funny. It does represent part of that season really, really well.

[01:42:19] But I don't know if it defines it. Yeah, I think I love Natalie's endgame so much. And like even if Natalie somehow didn't win from the final five, you'd still maybe have that moment.

[01:42:27] But the fact that not only does she win, but it assures that she pretty much will win because she's not even a possible target at the final four. And then it's going to win at the final three.

[01:42:35] Like she had it on lock because that movie is so good. It defines her winning story. The Jeremy blindside is an honorable mention. But that, as we're saying, kicks off the journey that leads to this moment, which is basically the crowning moment in such an incredible way.

[01:42:47] And it has an iconic quote, like it's ticking all the boxes. It's also the first moment that got me to start my YouTube channel. And maybe if she didn't do that, maybe because it was like, I really wanted to talk about the flashiest idol plays made by winners,

[01:42:59] which is kind of random. And I decided I wanted to find an excuse to talk about Natalie Anderson. This is your Twila swearing on her son. Yeah, a little bit. I don't know if I would say that much about Twila for me, but. No.

[01:43:13] And then second was Twila swearing on her kid. That's what got me to make my second. No. No, this is you being in love with Malcolm. I did love... Yeah, I love Malcolm. Who doesn't? I feel like we've found out Peridium's whole lore and processes, and it's great.

[01:43:30] All right, we're down to the last few, I have a feeling. One, two... We kind of have her hiding behind the couch. She's not enjoying the bingo. I think we have five more? We have four more. All right, let's go. We got 15 minutes. Do it.

[01:43:40] Oh no, four more. Speaking of Malcolm, go to the Philippines. Philippines. I think... Oh, it's got to be something with Matt Singh. I mean, I think I know I understood your Lulu argument, but like Matt Singh begins and ends the season.

[01:43:55] I think for me what defines it is it's episode four when they lost their fourth straight one. Yeah, I have that too. Lord, I mean, Jeff. I don't know exactly which moment in the episode, but obviously it could be when they lose at the challenge. That defines it.

[01:44:11] And I think as well, I mean, this was a weird season where it was three returning players, but they all were like not the best at the game. And like how much is that represented in the form of Russell Swan?

[01:44:21] Again, this returning player brought back to Captain His Tribe having a meltdown in front of Jeff Probst. Yeah, I think it's... You recently clipped that challenge, right? In comparison to Lulu, in comparison to Yanu. It has to be Matt Singh.

[01:44:35] They define the beginning of the game and the end of the game. And I think that is the moment where they just lose again. They don't get that moment of like finally, like euphoric when I guess eventually Denise is going to get that.

[01:44:46] But it has to be that. I think Malcolm losing the final immunity challenge is an honorable mention. I also have Abby moment question mark. Like, is there like one... I mean, you F with me, you're dead. But I really do think...

[01:44:59] And because it also leads to Denise going on this unprecedented streak where she goes to every tribal council in her season. I think it's got to be that. If you want to do specifically to Perdiam's point, it is the slow motion sequence of the last pot getting smashed

[01:45:11] and then Russell Swan's subsequent meltdown. Was that the fourth? Was that episode four? It was episode four, yeah. That was episode four. Wow, that was like... It was the last challenge Matt Singh ever competed in as a tribe. Oh my gosh, that slow-mo.

[01:45:23] Yeah, I think that to me is... I was like, it has to be something with Matt Singh. Is it either them winning at the end somehow, but then they do turn on each other like Steven and JT? Or, but I feel like that doesn't represent the overall season

[01:45:35] getting up to the final four. So I'm like, it could be just Denise winning, which encapsulates her going to every single tribal council. She's like the Iron Woman of Survivor where she survives the absolute onslaught that is Survivor of the Philippines.

[01:45:48] She basically runs through the whole thing from start to finish. But there's a little bit of... I think this is a moment where it's the asylum where you raised me and that's represented in the form of Matt Singh in that moment. Right, and it's episode...

[01:45:58] It would have lasted an hour. I do, yeah. It's not Denise's story as much as it means it's Denise and Malcolm and it's them coming from that thing. Right, right. We're doing the chat that says cookies, but... Cookies? Yeah. Cookies? Cookies.

[01:46:12] We've talked about it, we've alluded to it. We're at... 19. Here we go. I think it's going to be Russell losing. Yeah, I think it's got to be that. I don't think we have it. I think this is our first time doing the ex-loses.

[01:46:23] We ended up passing over Aubrey for that, ironically enough. But yeah, it has to be Russell losing. He was the main character of the season. He was the main... He was like the biggest thing since sliced bread, especially for that time.

[01:46:34] It has to be the fact that he lost the game. Yeah, I think of all the seasons where somebody lost, like you could say Boston Rob losing all stars, but there's even a bigger moment, I think. Maybe even I could, if I was here for part one,

[01:46:45] maybe I would have swung in favor of if I had been argued enough to go for Aubrey losing. You can still do it, Peridiam! But I will... That's in the past, we're here now in the present. Yes, we are. We get a tie, we're going to rock.

[01:46:55] They did it now! Especially when we only have 10 minutes left. Russell losing is the biggest... This is player loss this season to Natalie, who also had like 15 confessionals, which is just absolutely wild. Like what? Not even Michelle can do it, she's like 50 something.

[01:47:11] So at least in that case, you kind of got it. Russell was a hundred, 108 confessionals and he is the star. They build him up to... Just for the next season coming up with the all-star season of Heroes Villains, that moment is what...

[01:47:26] Honestly, it might be talked about the most of anyone that I know who talks about Survivor. If they've seen that, even 25 seasons later, they'll still be like, can't believe that guy Russell lost. Remember that guy? It's like, that is so defining for Samoa

[01:47:39] that even if you could say like, oh, maybe Russell's idle play against Kelly. I ain't finished playing just yet. Right, like I ain't finished playing. I've said that, I've quoted that a bunch as a joke. But I think it really comes down to like,

[01:47:52] Russell loses after like 13, 14 episodes of Survivor Samoa and it just changes the entire perspective of the season. All right, as much as I want to relish in Russell losing, we should move on. No, we have more time. We got 10 minutes. We got two seasons after this.

[01:48:07] Okay, if we argue about the time, it's going to take up time. I've got a couple of things on this. Firstly, if it's Russell losing, the chat is saying like, is it the Eric Cardona speech specifically? No. Then Josh in the chat says,

[01:48:18] Russell whining in the reunion that the game is flawed. No, I think it's just the vote reveal. It's Russell slumped at the finale with the votes coming in and he just looks like he probably wants to cry. I feel like I didn't even remember

[01:48:31] if he said the game was flawed in that or Hero's Villains, but I do remember him offering Natalie White the money and it's possible that's in it. I think just a couple of honorable Russell tone dimensions, Russell burning the socks, I think is indicative of his game.

[01:48:45] Russell idling out Kelly, we've said Russell pulling over Shambo, I think is a pretty important move. And then I also said the Russell's fond of Maddie Beckwith, that's not really as much. I think it is. I think they're all part of the resume

[01:48:54] that is Russell losing this season, but I think it's Russell losing at the final vote. They're all breadcrumbs leaning up to that big old loaf. Yeah, so what do we got? 13 or 28, that's it, right? Kageyan, well, you are. Ending up. OK, I mean, we're 13.

[01:49:09] I feel like we could just get out of the way if we want to. 13, 13. Doing it with the bingo balls decided. I mean, that's that. Do we want to end on the one with more discussion or the one that's the shoe in? Is it a shoe in?

[01:49:20] Like whatever we can go. We should follow the order of the bingo balls, right? Absolutely the mutiny, but we'll get to. The baroness. I don't have the mutiny. I think it's between two. Nothing but shoe in with me. I'm always annoying. You should. All right, well, Kageyan.

[01:49:32] Jeremiah reveals he's a model. There we go. That's the one I remember the most. Go to Cook Island. No, his name is Jeremy, by the way. For me, Jeremy reveals maybe my biggest moment in survivor history. Woo. I'm taking Tony to the end for me.

[01:49:46] It's defines who it defines. Tony, it defines cast to a degree. It defines so much of that season and is just such a major moment in survivor history that could be. I said we define the top five, but maybe we didn't.

[01:49:58] Maybe that's why I completely agree with that. I think on paper you would say the merge tribal council, but again, this doesn't need to be like a moment about Tony, but that was much more of a Trish move, honestly, than a Tony move.

[01:50:11] I think Tony is such an outlandish character that you would want, like either this is huge. I needed this or llama noises. But I think nothing represents Tony's inexplicable gameplay more than him somehow convincing woo. That is the honorable thing to do to take.

[01:50:26] Yeah, and then he makes one of the biggest blunders in survivor history. It's almost like the reverse of Samoa where we're talking about the whole like because season 28 is very much defined by Tony and his manic all over the jungle gameplay.

[01:50:39] But you could point to any of his moments that define the season from the pre merge to the post swap to the merge to the anytime in the post merge with a bag of tricks. But I think ultimately the cherry that caps it all off

[01:50:50] is one of the most impressive things is convincing woo to take him when he even tells us he shouldn't do it. He tells gas like that would be the dumbest thing. And it's like that's probably the dumbest thing that's happened on the show.

[01:51:03] Yeah, as far as A or B, which which door do you pick? And I think to me that sort of and it involves Tony and Cass, who's another major component, maybe the second most important after Tony in this season. So to me, yeah, I would agree with you.

[01:51:16] We're taking to it like then. That's the gameplay version of the llama noises. Is it being taken over? I mean, yeah, as you said, the merge boot, especially like Cass, zero chance of winning the game. Top five, baby. We've said llama noises. We've said this is huge.

[01:51:29] I needed this. The LJ boot. Jatia throwing out the rice. I mean, it's a great season. It's got a lot of it's a resume of Tony, but it ends at the very end where he wins because Wu takes him. Yeah, and you're just like, no, man.

[01:51:40] And that's the thing as well. Tony was someone who never won an immunity challenge and, you know, had a super idol that he never needed to play. So it was all about the stuff that he was able to influence without like

[01:51:48] any of that stuff on his side, except for his words. And that's represented right there with the Wu stuff. Yeah. And it's Wu and Tony that I think that was I mean, it's Tony, but there's also Wu and Tony who are like, I feel like they vote correctly.

[01:51:59] Every like they're the ones swinging like the pendulum that will be named after them. Well, not after them, but will be named later on. But right now, let's see what the bingo machine does. We got one left, right? This is the last one. I don't know.

[01:52:11] There might be a one. Imagine if it was long. Imagine if it was long. If I left in like, yeah, no, it is 13. I will say Itay in the chat, Itay says there's no time for this, but would love to hear Shannon do this for Australian seasons,

[01:52:22] maybe on Twitter or something. I do want to do it for global seasons on the global feed. So I'm just putting it out there. All right. Another is that a sequel or a spin off? That's a spin off like an international spin off.

[01:52:34] But yeah, if I may, if I may look into your head, I would imagine the other moment you're thinking of besides the mutiny is Yule flipping penner at the merge. Those are the two I have. I actually have that first. That would be Yule flipping penner.

[01:52:47] Is there anything to like I2 making the final four or is that just like a foregone conclusion? That's why he does when he pulled over penner. He kind of all comes together, but the defining moment is when I2 swings your swing over to get the numbers.

[01:53:01] I think for me, what I'm going back to with the mutiny is what it represented as sort of like the origin story of that comeback. I agree that that's like a pivotal moment for the comeback. I think also look not to be too optically focused about this,

[01:53:15] but in a season that divided people by race, is there something to represent that season? All the white people coming back together again? I did think possibly the race twist of it all at the beginning could even define the season a little bit.

[01:53:28] I don't think it's a moment. I agree. It's not really. So I was like, it's not a moment though, and it's not even the theme. It's just it's just a twist that they implemented for casting. I don't think it ultimately defines this season.

[01:53:39] I think the season is bigger than that. And then there's like a two off to episode twist. It's done by episode two, episode three. So I was like, I think it has to be I2. Something to do with I2, the underdogs.

[01:53:53] They take over, they take the numbers over and it comes down to flipping penner at the final nine. Oh, I think I'm going to win this because you're saying it has to be the mutiny was such a shoe in. There's a shoot now, but it's not.

[01:54:05] I think the mutiny is the biggest moment when you think of a moment. But I think defining Yule's win specifically, I2 getting to that point, the fact that it is also involving the mutiny that he came over and then mutiny back and then he pulls him back over.

[01:54:18] Like, I think you're pulling penner has all of the things that we're talking about, other than as Brett is saying in the chat, Billy being in love with Candace. But yeah, the only thing I would say it doesn't involve is that Cook Islands had so many WTF twists.

[01:54:31] And it is a good example of that, which will lead to the bottle bottles will lead to the final three. But I see your point. I'm not like looking at it too much for time. I might get the time as well.

[01:54:43] I think the penner flip defines the essence of Cook Island at the end of the day, even though there is an element of like the annoying constant twist happening. So I'm with you. I agree. I'm with Shannon. All right. We did it. We saw survivor discourse.

[01:54:57] I've got a pocket full of bingo balls. Oh, that's the name of my name. Falling out of my pocket. And that's what we've ended with. We've ended with an empty bingo ball machine. Nice. Pocket full of bingo balls and survivor discourse being solved once and for all.

[01:55:11] I call that a full tummy, in my opinion. Hope you all enjoyed this two hour meal. It's four. It's like four and a half hours total. This is a lot to chew on between part one and part two.

[01:55:21] And then the spinoff coming up that I want to do. And the spinoff like this is there's a lot. This is great. Last thing I want to plug. Wanda off next week. Get them in. Rob has a website dot com slash wand off 2024.

[01:55:34] You have the next six days or so to do it. Let's just do some quick around the horn. Peridium start with you. I same as always. YouTube video every single week. I am currently we're in the middle of the summer, so I'm in the throes of Big Brother,

[01:55:46] which nothing to do with Survivor in the summer. But as far as I'm concerned, it's just how it works. I'm releasing a new video on Big Brother every single Thursday on my YouTube channel. Go there. Subscribe. I've been doing it for seven years.

[01:55:58] No plans to stop at any time soon. All right, Shannon. Any plug? I love that we got the law. Pretty and pretty. I really appreciate your attention to Webster's dictionary. How it works. Absolutely. Define, include. I die on the hill of the definitions and semantics. It's in.

[01:56:14] Look, you're speaking my language, which I love. So thank you so much for coming on. This was a great time. I'm glad to finish this. A lot of people are for part two. We got it done under two hours, starting at 8 a.m.

[01:56:23] Other than Summer of Survivor, I'm covering Traders New Zealand with Puyo. And yeah, I want to start doing a little bit of these things for global when we can. So all right. Of course, I am rounding the corner at the end of the wish list going through season 41

[01:56:36] at this point today with Maggie Morgan, 42 tomorrow with Brian Scully before we approach the final week and the subsequent opening of the ballot. So make sure you check that as well as all of our big brother coverage happening on a daily basis.

[01:56:48] So we're going to be back on Wednesdays from now on. So this coming Wednesday at 6 p.m. Eastern, 3 p.m. Pacific, 8 a.m. For Shannon Wandoff, send him in if you want your voices to quite literally be heard.

[01:57:03] And we shall hear all your melodious voices alongside Josh Wiggler from the new era as we hear all about these Wandoff songs. I personally cannot wait, but this has been such a great time. Thank you, Peridium. Thank you, as always, Shannon. Thank you to the chat.

[01:57:17] Happy belated anniversary, Kieran. And we'll see you again next week. Take care, everybody. Bye bye.