Summer of Survivor | Defining Moments of Each Survivor Season

[00:00:08] Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Cesternino back here for another week of the Summer of Survivor Rolls on and we've got another fun one here tonight as we are talking about the defining moments of each survivor season, but They will be drawn in the order of whatever

[00:00:30] bingo balls Shannon Gus comes up with so lots of fun there tonight's plus some news and talk about what's gonna happen Next week here with the Summer of Survivor

[00:00:41] Crew, of course back with us a person who I've already have a podcast out with this person today talking about Everything from survivor all-stars for our survivor 50 wish list. Give it up for Mike bloom

[00:00:56] Yes, happy to take a second bite of the nut rages bar that is podcasting with you Rob I Rarely listen to podcasts. I do after the air I

[00:01:09] Relistened to that entire podcast this morning today Mike. Yeah, it was a great time. Listen as much as I'm claiming my survivor trivia dominance over these two apparently my one weakness are the bios of the survivor contestants in the first four

[00:01:24] Years and you'll definitely want to check that out for a big slice of life of Rob's all-star experience The series has been great so far Be sure to listen to Mike every day with another guest talking about who from each season of survivor should be out there for

[00:01:39] Survivor 50 in our survivor podcast feed and the rehab ups feed every day and then of course the woman of The hours here tonight the woman with all the power here. She is with Shannon gosh, how are you? I love that. You said hours. I will be here Yes

[00:02:02] all of the defining moments all 46 and then we might want to go into international because I would think Timely to do that. Yes. Shannon is Australian bingo dingo That's brilliant. That is so tripped up myself because I thought of that mid your introduction

[00:02:20] I also think or since Australians like to shorten things. Maybe they're just being mm-hmm or like bing Yeah, you know going with like cute little nicknames. Mm-hmm. Yeah bingo Also, yeah bingo is or dingo bingo

[00:02:34] Bing yeah, I said well bingo is a good name for any dog. Mm-hmm That's his name oh, yeah sure. Yeah For these bingo balls and I separated them out

[00:02:45] There's a little bit of an inconsistency that was difficult because I had too many then I realized that 61 looked like 19 I had two of those and now I have all the bingo balls and I've made a color-coded Spreadsheet of all the defining moments of the season

[00:03:01] Then get the spreadsheet up. There's a little it kind of spores it just flash it up so people can understand It doesn't spoil it. It's a freaking eye test Yeah Shannon has worked on a spreadsheet ahead of time of all 46 of her moments

[00:03:13] So she does not need to discuss anything on the podcast. She's I Yes, no, you don't understand the spreadsheet clearly you didn't look at when Sam's flash it up. I didn't want the spoilers. Yeah

[00:03:25] Well, firstly I texted Mike and Rob last night and I was like I have a color Okay Okay, and Rob and Rob said oh you thought about this beforehand the color-coded spreadsheet The green ones aren't really up for debate

[00:03:37] The yellow ones are up for debate and the red ones of which they are now only two because that's how much time I spent Thinking about this and I think we kind of nailed a lot of them the red ones. I'm really torn on

[00:03:46] Okay, that's over at I love you so much Shannon Gus. We'll get to that in a moment we got a few different items to Discuss I guess let's talk about maybe our biggest news of the day here talking about international survivor Breaking news are happening now

[00:04:08] Okay and shout out to a Redmond in the chat because Mike Is that who had it first today? Yeah, Redmond was the one I will say that we are probably gonna be bastardizing information that has always been released through Redmond's patreon but

[00:04:26] Yeah, you know, I just we just did a big survivor Pearl Island's day Yesterday here on the network And so I think unfortunately and appropriately when it comes to the idea of an Australian survivor a you versus US season We must say so much for our dreams

[00:04:45] So much rot and death yes, okay, so Shannon hello. What what do we know at this hour? So Redmond says that us versus a you probably won't happen and instead it'll be a you versus the world now Just like it always is am I right?

[00:05:08] Well, that's how it's felt. I was like, well, they're literally on an island People like us but I do I think that people aren't disappointed about that And that's great me because the world is that's global survivor. That's what our whole life has been leading up to

[00:05:23] But people don't have time to be disappointed about the whole US aspect because he also said that it would be 14 people in 15 Days and people are kind of focusing on that part

[00:05:32] I do remember when I heard the news I heard like a faint pop and I'm pretty sure it was Eliza Orleans getting a hernia Yeah, yeah, so I don't know exactly I can't say that I'm super surprised Just based off of like I think that the

[00:05:54] from what I Had heard like the caliber of people that they were looking to get I feel like Versus the amount of money maybe potentially to spend and then also is that a thing about our currency because you're right I don't anything about your currency. Okay, so

[00:06:18] Because that's someone who just traveled to America as an Australian it's not good. Hey, yeah So it's hot. I just think that it was gonna be tough to make it work anyway, but

[00:06:32] Jenny I think I gotta think that you're probably excited to see some of your global faves show up Redmond says in the chat. I can't really say much about this pop, but I don't think Jeff was happy about it

[00:06:43] Yeah, you don't know who we are until it's convenient doesn't even know Comment on the I think maybe the finale episode of on fire Mike I don't know if you caught it

[00:06:55] He taught was talking about survivor casting and he and he said something along the lines of and that's why Every other show on television is trying to get the people that are on survivor Mmm Interesting. Yeah another show with the same show but in a different country

[00:07:13] I also like there is recorded footage of Jonathan and Jonathan Jonathan Polly and Jeff being together in the same room at the same time So I would imagine like yeah, Jeff is aware of Australian survivor I think it was more so an issue of like oh

[00:07:26] Are you trying to get our people while we're on the precipice of quote-unquote a year-long celebration of survivor? I don't know if that'll fly. Well, firstly that interaction might have been like hey, my name is Jonathan LaPaglia. Okay, cool

[00:07:39] I was a strange survivor. What's that? And then Jeff immediately forgets about it. So that could be just like Homer meeting Daryl strawberry Yeah, exactly. So we don't know how much he knows or wants to know about Australian survivor. So

[00:07:52] Yeah, I mean look if they feel like they're trying to protect season 50 that feels crazy Like we're just trying to do our tiny little thing on the side of 50, but it's fine versus the world would be very exciting There are great international options 15 days

[00:08:08] Yeah, so that's the thing is that I feel I feel like it's more of an exhibition match like before that before the season I'm gonna learn what 2020 cricket is from my brother and then I'm gonna use that analogy I don't know a lot about it

[00:08:19] But I know that that do you know what 2020 cricket is all I know about cricket is what is what the u.s. Is? Like three times, but is that when the hindsight is perfect?

[00:08:29] No, I think it's when you play 20 overs. Oh, I'm I'm getting disowned by my brother there's a there's five day cricket and then there's one day cricket and then there's 2020 which is like It's like the like the fun house mirror cricket 2020 cricket

[00:08:47] 2020 cricket. I don't know what any of the references you guys are making are but I know that you guys are really Impeding on the 46 seasons. We're about to talk about. Okay, I will not be

[00:08:58] Listen, this is you know, the three of us got onto a patron podcast not long ago to talk about this Now the concept has been moved a bit forward I personally as someone who follows and sometimes podcasts about South Africa New Zealand UK

[00:09:11] It's an exciting idea 15 days feels very a celebrity big brother US version Rob of like definitely truncated Version, but we shall see what's to come next year. Okay, so I think that's a lab because people were saying reindeer games

[00:09:25] Which was good, but who knows it might just be a different but good thing I didn't watch reindeer games, but I heard it was good and You know, we'll have fun with it. Let's not prejudge things. Let's just let's just have fun with it. But

[00:09:37] Yeah, I noticed the chat is being really nice to me and I thought oh and then I remembered that we have a thing Where the nicest person to me gets on the podcast? No, no that that's we are gonna take a caller tonight

[00:09:48] What's that's we take one caller from summer of survivor, but it's not necessarily the person Everybody should be nice to Shannon, but that's not the criteria No You are not Duchess of the chat I am Duchess of the chat. Thank you so much for giving it a title

[00:10:06] That's literally exactly what I am Yeah, yeah, I'm Duchess of the chat you guys want titles different titles. Yeah, and what am I of the bingo balls Baroness? Oh Baroness bingo ball Yes, I don't know let's let's try it on okay one one title at a time

[00:10:25] Earlier this week Shannon and Mike got together to also talk about who from survivor the Amazon should come back for Survivor 50 and I almost tuned out when Shannon started performing Some show tunes during the close the distraction Stuck around I did

[00:10:48] Shannon and Mike were trying to figure out of Their pair Who is who is Jenna and who is Heidi? Mike and Shannon and I I thought about it for a while and I did decide that well that doesn't this settle a narrow down Mike I

[00:11:07] Did decide that Mike is Jenna? And Shannon is Heidi officially that is my official Consensus on that Yeah, my brother disagreed with you Hmm. Okay feels like Mike and Heidi are much more likely to say something out of whack

[00:11:26] See both Mike and this was my thinking on this both Mike and Jenna are likely to say something that is grossly inappropriate And laugh about it. They have that in common good social game as well But Big heart as well

[00:11:46] So now you said that Mike is like Jenna because he has a better He has a good social game and is likable the likable one. You said I mean Likeable one But I did bet Ethan's on briefly as well. Mm-hmm. Okay

[00:12:01] Then I also just want to add that I thought that Shannon was Heidi because she is, you know fiercely competitive Would stop at nothing to win and

[00:12:14] Also, I thought that Heidi would also be the person that would be most likely to say that she's actually the winner of the draft Because she had the highest average draft placement. How do you view me? What is the way that you view me?

[00:12:29] Heidi should we flash the spreadsheet again? Whoa. No, we're no flashing not enough Take it easy We're gonna flash spreadsheets and maybe more on this podcast My brother said that Mike and Heidi more out there me and Jenna more quote-unquote depressed

[00:12:50] Either way, I don't think it's a one-to-one I did say that I would have been Jenna because she not try to quit. How do I break with things? Anyway, um, I thought I couldn't be Jenna because Jenna won something Alright

[00:13:04] Let's also has an incredibly high IQ which Shannon does as well. Mm-hmm. Yes, so yeah that too Okay. Alright, so let's talk about it. Let's get into okay 46 seasons into the bingo ball Mike. Do you want to just give the setup for why we're doing this episode? Yeah

[00:13:23] So this was a suggestion that was sent in by Dan and our kickoff show where there is an article from ESPN Called finding the single memory that defines each baseball season since 1903 where they have a select set of

[00:13:37] criteria that they use to go through each season of baseball to say Oh, this is the defining moment that looking back or looking forward on the season We say defines it now whole we're trying to translate how to survive Mike sent us the article

[00:13:51] That this idea was based on and I have to say that I the article was horrible It was so really I'm Can't I saw one baseball game. I'm not in the weeds enough to understand what the defining moment of 2010 was Bernie Madoff that sunk the Mets

[00:14:16] Insane how rude to whoever actually did well in baseball in 2010 Well, that's the thing is that I think we're gonna try to Specify it to what happened on that season as opposed to stuff that happened before and after that season like the survivor China moment isn't

[00:14:32] Going to be lunch lady Denise gets $50,000 Yeah That's not in the spreadsheet but could be Robert You never said What we said about you on the Amazon podcast you just talked about Jenner and Heidi for a while. Yes

[00:14:49] Okay, what we said about you. Did you agree? Well, um That you really planned out my entire life for the Next couple of years. Yeah, we're the helicopter parents planning out your future. Yeah, I really did appreciate

[00:15:08] Shannon what you were saying about potentially that I was the song of fire and ice that could Tie the eras together From being in the old school era and then being so involved with new school

[00:15:25] Survivor you anchor this whole thing world. And I also like that you said I you didn't think I would lose immediately Yeah, I'm so nice to you. Mm-hmm. I'm kind and look how you view me as some competitive Leech I don't know. Yes. Yes

[00:15:40] I I've compared you to a woman that my wife would tear to shreds Because I talked about how much I liked her Well, that is weird in a different way because I'm your daughter and let's move on to the bingo. Yes

[00:15:55] Okay, so I mean I was perfect perfect I Have not Disparaged so it was just you didn't disparage but now you're saying it was more like an objectification. I Don't think I said that I don't think anybody thinks they said that All right, let's go

[00:16:21] Are we okay is what is what good? Okay, you're the Duchess of the chat and the Baroness of balls What else do you need in the world? No, Baroness of dingo balls will compromise. Okay Yes, okay So yeah, lots of great survivor wish list podcast out there

[00:16:41] between the Amazon Oh and yesterday talking about Pearl Islands Oh and night and then a great one and then Mike you got a Banger coming tomorrow from what I understand Absolutely with Brandon Donlan. We're talking about Vanuatu

[00:16:53] I'm very excited the post all-stars era of survivor was when my fandom really ramped up and it's full of plenty of people that Have not been cast those that have come back multiple times So we're gonna have a great time and I will tease listen

[00:17:06] I know that people have us some axes to grind about those that maybe were left off the ballot from the first few seasons I will tease I do smash the hourglass and put someone on the ballot from a previous season tomorrow

[00:17:17] Okay. All right, you guys really I need to understand how much Mike is Struggling not struck. That's not the right way obsessing He's a professional Yeah, so it's like when you guys are all in his mentions being like what about this?

[00:17:31] He takes everything one of those two hot I love that everyone's engaging with the podcast It's nice how much everyone cares about it my great idea that people care about and then it's like no one's being mean about it

[00:17:40] But I think you know if you agree with Mike maybe let him know because you're more likely to tell him if you disagree Maybe some people should be like I agree with all those choices my rate picks. Yeah, okay

[00:17:49] Can't wait for Chris it is slide into my DM. I like you are the biggest puss By the way, we did a talking with T bird with Krista just this very week

[00:17:57] So we dropped that on Tuesday night another good episode. Yeah, I love and listen. I'm getting my hammer ready There might be some more hourglasses that need to be smashed by the time this whole experiment is done

[00:18:06] Okay, the time experiment is not every play who's ever played will be in And that'll be funny that'll be a really interesting commentary on us as a fandom, okay All right We are about to talk about a one of 46 Random seasons of survivor. Okay, so

[00:18:26] What do we do? We need to all three agree or is just a two out of three of us locking in on one? We have to move on We have to have at least two out of the three people on the tribunal agree Yeah, I'm good with that

[00:18:43] But it's nice when we all agree because those will be the green ones You'll see when it's like not even the Internet could argue Okay, and what is this the defining moment of each? Oh, okay. What's the criteria for defining moments? We should talk about that

[00:18:55] It's not just in Mike's baseball article. This was the criteria that I use for my spray my baseball article I saw you on your byline on it Mike one If it's not the most memorable moment, but that probably will overlap a lot

[00:19:08] You know what? We were trying to balance all of these things. It doesn't have to be I'm trying to think of the example that where the most memorable moment will not be the most defining Most memorable moment will not be the most defining moment

[00:19:19] It is because you also have to balance the other thing so it'll be memorable. But also Does it capture the tenor of the season the vibe the energy of the season the essence of the season and third?

[00:19:32] Does it capture the storyline and the structure of the season sub point? Does it capture the winners journey not a sense? Yes some point to the third point does it capture the winners journey? That's not essential but preferable or does it capture a prominent losing journey?

[00:19:46] Some seasons are defined more by the prominent loser than a winner yourself included wrong. So if it can capture parts of that then That will be helpful to sir memorable tenor Structure story winner loser. Okay

[00:20:04] Test on this. Yeah. Um, yes, is this a picture that could be like captured where the defining moment in one frame Would capture the season the way I think about it other than all the things I just said. Yes, that's true

[00:20:21] But the other way to think about it is like the friends naming convention of episodes Which is like the one where so like it doesn't work all the time because I do think some seasons are more than like a moment

[00:20:30] Maybe more like a character or even like a theme but it's like the one where Not to like tip my hat but like the one where Eric gives up immunity Like you can put it in that kind of

[00:20:43] If you're filling in the blank of like, oh what season was Micronesia? Oh is the one where Eric gave up immunity? Yeah, what's the natural call and response to the casual question of which season is that? Okay. Yeah, the casual thing is good

[00:20:56] I actually texted Peters mom a few times Maybe she's all right. Yeah Shannon. Let's go. Okay, let's do this. All right Shannon If we were called correctly Shannon did have trouble working the bingo last week. Why would you bring that up?

[00:21:14] It's easier on the thing. Okay, okay. Okay. Oh gosh. Oh dear II my is it 39? 34 survivor Game changers. Oh god, it's good because this one is easy. It's good. This is a good one easy one to start on. Okay

[00:21:36] So easy, you know what as well it's also good like it's another way to do it It should feel a little instinctive like a little bit like word association

[00:21:44] I think you should do one two three bad because that's when I actually think we can okay. Okay, one two three transferable I'm sorry. You threw me off with one with one one word. Yeah. Yeah, I Got my advantage snafu's

[00:22:06] Crossed out to be fair. It was it was quite literally the previous round I think was that still maybe one of the most confusing tribal councils in survivor history where Michaela gets voted out So yeah advantage get in of course, siri

[00:22:18] Losing because she is the only one not immune at the final six, you know It does it sort of obfuscate the stuff that was going on with Sarah?

[00:22:26] Yes, but I think that it defines not only that season I would almost say like that era as well considering how idle happy That entire 10 season arc was in survivor 30s. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah on the criteria. It's the most memorable

[00:22:42] The tenor of the season in it being freaking terrible and I'm throwing my shoe at the television. Yeah, that's true I think you very much look at it as like this is everything that's wrong with survivors Rangers, yeah Not know everything

[00:22:56] And that's what this one obviously like the Vanna moment It was bigger from like a cultural standpoint and certainly like for humanity, but I think how we think back at the season

[00:23:06] advantage get in comes to mind from like a season perspective and definitely thumbs up how much game changes sucked and The winner story not as much but like definitely siri's losing story and so well

[00:23:17] I mean you could argue though that that vote happens because Sarah had the legacy advantage that she got from under Sierra Don Thomas's nose So it almost like kind of is corollary to that of the reason why Sarah guaranteed

[00:23:29] She was safe was because of her gameplay that she played hours, you know rounds ago. Yeah Okay advantage get him see that one was easy and boring if you can get there for anything that one was green on the spreadsheet some Of them are gonna be hot sure

[00:23:40] Yeah. All right. Is it worth? This disgusting anything else from the game changers or just moving on in the spirit of trying to cover as much ground as we can Like all times let's move on from game changes. I'd also already started on the bingo ball. Okay

[00:23:53] Oh, it fell off the table. Oh my cats are trying to get it. Give me one second. Thank you We're back we're back. Okay, the bigger machine is not that good Wow, don't insult the merchandise. What do we have? Okay 23 set I 23 Pacific okay

[00:24:15] the defining moments of South Pacific Did you guys not spreadsheet before see now My noodle we I don't think we look foolish. Yeah I mean, I think part of the fun is talking it through

[00:24:37] You know one day I'm gonna find all these bingo balls in this drawer. Yeah Okay Don't even think about it just one two three Giving away immunity. Yeah, I was a Cochran at

[00:24:52] Like like advantage get and I could see all saying at the count of three, but this one is not like a common phrase But yeah, I feel like like one two, three say a full sentence at the same

[00:25:03] Two words and it's obvious you guys. Yeah. No, but that is I mean, that's where my head went Is it a moment though that captures the winner or it was it the first domino to fall?

[00:25:18] See, I I think coach certainly plays like that's the thing Shane says sometimes It's more about the loser of the season than the winner and the narrative

[00:25:26] Honestly, I think prevailing of South Pacific is that it's more so about how coach lost and how Sophie won and coaches the one To get Cochran over the line the reason why I said Brandon giving up individual immunity is because to me that feels like a

[00:25:39] Microcosm of the endgame of Survivor South Pacific, which was like the most interesting part Which was coach convincing brand his own tightest ally to give up immunity and then voting him out

[00:25:48] That's so interesting because that the Eric giving up the neck the one where Eric give up the necklace probably You know If not The most iconic moment in the show's history like easily like on the Mount Rushmore of most iconic moments of in the show's history

[00:26:02] Same exact thing happens. Almost nobody talks about it. Almost nobody remembers it and I would say it's perhaps even a more like extreme emotional manipulation of Brandon Hanson of Eric Eric

[00:26:14] I think it was more so played up as kind of like this heist. Can we really get it done? It's just like God will be mad at you if you don't do this And that was such the tenor of the of the group. Yeah, right was like

[00:26:26] Oh, this is we are now down to our the crabs alliances here But the final five on day one, we finally made it now We have to take each other out and we're going to do it through kind of

[00:26:36] More moralizing someone to the point where they feel safe enough to give up immunity and then we vote them out Mm-hmm. Yeah, but in saying that Cochran flipping is way more memorable It's what gives the advantage at the merge that if the whole structure of the merge

[00:26:48] So it is the winning game because that's how the begonking even happens from there to create anyone in the endgame It's by Cochran who is gonna go on obviously to play and win so on memorability

[00:26:58] Like that's something that really comes to mind and it's just like the like key juncture of the season I mean there are other things like the chat has given around like Sophie beating Ozzy or like Ozzy Coming back from redemption multiple times

[00:27:10] But I just feel like that to me like that merge vote if I think of one thing of that season like that's easily What stands out the other stuff you're like what happened with Brandon again? I feel versus like Okay, I get so clear Albert drop your stack

[00:27:25] anything there Anything there That's only right now recent memories you to the challenge collusion. I think that's I think that's a defining moment of Sophie I don't know if that's a defining moment of the season. Okay. All right. Are we agreed?

[00:27:38] I think we're in agreement. You actually agree. I mean, I'm I'm fine with it. I I see where you're coming from I also feel like Stacy Powell speech is maybe defining and that that was the first time we're like

[00:27:48] Oh do people still regard coach as a joke? Could he not win the game? It's Cochran flipping bingo Okay, all right so People you know what people like what we should have done is have everybody like go online get a random bingo card

[00:28:06] Although you can't get it. We don't have 75 seasons. Why is this bad? No, I'm just saying that people could have been playing along Yeah, you want to play bingo and that's who the caller should have been the first person to get bingo. Yeah

[00:28:19] I'm gonna get bingo. I think that would be great. Okay, Sam write that down that after survivor 75 we'll do that Okay. All right Like what the 13 years, right? We'll get you out of retirement home Rob to do that Yeah, now, okay

[00:28:34] I'm gonna get back to saying this as I always do But I feel like I'm we're working up in seasons from worse Maybe the best working up in an order and I get back for this season because I have season number 17 All right the defining moment of Gabon

[00:28:53] Okay, I think I have not green for me But I but I thought about it a lot and I went it went from red to yellow well

[00:28:59] I think that what I think is the best way to do this as a podcast is to start to let's throw out some of the ideas of What it could be. All right

[00:29:11] I I have a suggestion but Shannon's the one who's like 30 minutes through the podcast and this is how I think we should do This is how this is when we're gonna talk about the way to do this well We only started doing this part like 10 minutes ago

[00:29:24] I know I'm even surprised that we I would prefer not to yell out a string of words simultaneously Yeah, I'm sorry you guys on enjoying Yes structure of the I have the I am the Baroness of bingo balls but Rob is the

[00:29:40] Sultan of structure of structure. Which one did you get? I said Sultan Sultan not bad either Sultan it is. Okay, so you get a win. All right, Rob. You want to throw something out?

[00:29:49] Yeah, I was gonna say Randy playing the fake idol. Yeah, that was my pick as well I think that Gabon is mostly remembered for the chaos and acrimony amongst the cast and nowhere was that more concentrated and represented than Crystal and sugar doing two iconic back-to-back confessionals

[00:30:08] Openly laughing when Randy the villain plays a fake idol does throw a little bit of Bob in there as well Who is the eventual winner?

[00:30:16] I think it does kind of bake in much like that cookie that sugar deprived of Randy all of the thematic elements that Gabon contains Okay. Well, maybe we agree because I also had that Forget you go home. Goodbye. I think now the question is how do we?

[00:30:33] Define moment. Are we talking like the entire scene of the Tribal Council or are we talking the one Confessional forget you go home. Goodbye. Are we talking Randy playing the fake idol?

[00:30:44] Yeah, it is hard because I think you could have that like the one where Randy plays a fake idol The one where Crystal says forget you go home. Goodbye Like those two things are kind of different but I'm like lumping them in kind of feels like

[00:30:56] like not strictly kosher so I Mean it is the Randy boot. The only other thing I had was like Corinne's jury speech But that does represent how much people did not like sugar out there

[00:31:08] Yeah, exactly the losing story and it is very memorable, but I still think the Randy boot I think I would say Randy plays a fake idol The rest is kind of assumed in there and then that has like the Bob story

[00:31:18] And also rainy playing the fake idol does have the reactions of sugar and crystal that even if you try to separate it out from The confessional that is obviously their star moment, but like there's some stardust sprinkled amongst them in absolute, you know

[00:31:33] Chortles as they're watching their avowed enemy play this fake idol and get humiliated Okay The longest thing that takes Winston do you imagine that I first did we can under a

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[00:32:51] We've got blood versus water, season number 27. The defining moments of season 27. Okay, alright well I guess let me throw out an opening bid. And my opening bid would be the Rockdraw Final Six. So that I would say is definitely the most memorable.

[00:33:14] It was the first Rockdraw in 23 seasons. It does highlight some gameplay from our eventual winner. I will throw out another moment that I think we'll not get it but maybe get an honorable mention. Because I'm more so speaking to the theme. I mean, Sierra voting out her mom.

[00:33:34] That's what the chat is saying and I honestly did not have that somehow on the spreadsheet. Oh my god, my spreadsheet. I have to update the spreadsheet. It's that right? It's Sierra voting out her mom. The one where Sierra votes out her mom.

[00:33:45] I would say that maybe the bigger group moment was F.E.U. Brad Culpepper. Which I think represents the blood versus water psychological intricate elements of playing alongside. Get oppositional to your loved one. But if you're trying to boil it down again to one defining moment.

[00:34:01] That I think also defined a character to the point where Jeff Probst yelled out she voted out her mom. As Sierra came out for that game changer's introduction like it was her middle name. I think it's gotta be that one. Damn, that is right.

[00:34:12] See how satisfying it is when you get it and it's clearly that. Can we possibly disagree? It's definitely that. Yeah, the theme. That's just right. The one where Sierra voted out her mom. And I mean you could say it's a little bit of Tyson stuff mixed in.

[00:34:24] In that Tyson is the one to kind of strong arm Sierra into saying there's nothing you can do. You have to vote your mom out. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Well, see we're gonna get through 45th of them. We'll see about that. Okay, alright. Another banger season. Number 5. 30 worlds apart.

[00:34:43] Survival worlds apart. Back into the muck we go. Defining moment. Yeah. I have one, I believe. This is a couple here. There's a couple all based around the same thing. Oh really? I feel like, yeah.

[00:35:06] I was thinking it's something as simple as like Mike Holloway winning his 5th immunity challenge. Oh. That is not where I was going. What the maze? It was flashy but I feel like it does represent like the winner narrative.

[00:35:21] Where it was this guy had his back against the wall, had to win out, was able to do the impossible. Yeah. See, I feel like for me it's everything around the auction. Which could extend to if a terrain raising her hand. Oh that's two different moments.

[00:35:35] That was the challenge after. But I do think it's Mike at the auction because that's the winner journey of how far it devolved before he had to win all the immunity challenges. So it's still baked into that. I think it's the most memorable moment of the season.

[00:35:50] I think it definitely, you feel the tenor of the season in it. Right? Kind of gets all three. Yeah, because there's also like Dan being apoplectic about Mike going back on the deal.

[00:36:03] Mama C come over and be like no, no I changed my mind I'll get my letter back. And all this weird chaos. Oh okay fine I've changed my mind, psych I'll do it. It sort of represents the dirty aspect of the Dirty Ferdy.

[00:36:16] Yeah, I was going to say specifically the moment where. Was it that Will wanted to get the letter because he left the auction early? Was that right? And then that Jeff said okay well Will can have his letter unless anybody objects. And then Shireen raised her hand.

[00:36:36] That was the challenge after the auction. Yes, but I think that's a different moment than Mike ends up pulling back his 20 and not buying a letter at the auction. You're right this is all auction related but so we're having to choose which is good.

[00:36:55] I think that obviously the Shireen moment is less about Mike but it's more so about the season. Again these people are a bit biting towards each other. They're willing to deny each other pieces of home if they don't feel good about them.

[00:37:09] Considering that one you know is going to tear into the other one. I don't know maybe it's the Dalton Ross in my feed but it seems like we consistently get that gif of Shireen raising her hand. Also the chat is saying Rodney's birthday.

[00:37:23] Rodney's birthday is quotable but that's not the moment. It's not the one with Rodney's birthday. Though I feel like Rodney's birthday also represented kind of the negativity that the Dirty 30 cast had. A lot of these moments actually all of these moments are pretty negative.

[00:37:36] See that speaks to the season. I think for me I'm going all in on Mike at the auction. I ironically like an auction. I just feel like it was Mike's journey. So much of it was Mike's journey. I think it's the most memorable part.

[00:37:52] Even if you don't remember exactly what happened at the auction you remember something happened. Did they do the auction again? No, they also killed the auction. That's true. That's pretty powerful. And that's the thing as well.

[00:38:01] Not to go back to Rob's Bessadin article but they do say sometimes that it's about calling forward as well when it comes to looking at moments in time. You have to think about that this was the last bastion of an old school element in the auction.

[00:38:14] It is interesting to study. I think ultimately that's it. I think while the actual moment itself is not super memorable and probably the business with Shireen after is more memorable. The Shireen image is more memorable. Yeah.

[00:38:32] It is sort of like the inciting incident of the entire back half of the season.

[00:38:38] Not to mention Shireen does have a little bit of a moment there as well if it counts where she's the one that breaks the auction and says oh if we all put in $20 then nobody needs to bid any higher and we all get our letters.

[00:38:50] Yeah, I think so. Have I got my way on everything I want? Oh, I didn't think about the Sierra one but that's also correct. I love that we're getting this is so good for my OCD that we're really defining this stuff. Are we going to bingo?

[00:39:00] Okay, let's go back to the balls. That's my favorite survivor theme. These ones are the really hard ones. 11? 11. Okay, Survivor Guatemala. I really thought long and hard about this one. It was red for a while but I think I got it yellow. Okay, I think I have one.

[00:39:21] The defining moment of the season. What do you think, Mike? I don't think there is one like really specific one.

[00:39:28] I don't think we have one but I think if I'm thinking of one that represents a good amount of what particularly like the post-merge of Survivor Guatemala was, I would say Judd's boot. I think that Survivor Guatemala is kind of defined by its larger than life characters.

[00:39:45] Judd is certainly one. I think it was defined by Stephanie burning her own allies which Judd was. I think it's defined by some memorable exit words which Judd has, Jamie has, Cindy has.

[00:39:59] I think the hike is more representative of like how tough the season was and maybe Guatemala is not really a well-remembered season that people might remember it only for that.

[00:40:10] But I feel like if I'm talking about what represents the tenor of the season, it's something like the Judd boot. Certainly in the conversation. Cindy in her car. Yeah.

[00:40:20] So I had the Judd boot and it's definitely on the ground as secondary options in my secondary options column of the color-coded spreadsheet. In the first options column, I had Cindy in the car.

[00:40:35] But the one that I lean to more than that is Rafe releasing Dani from the deal at the final three. The final immunity challenge? Yeah. It's really a clear image in my mind. It connects to the winner journey.

[00:40:47] I think you could also do Dani winning that immunity challenge where they're like stepping on the- Which happens on the Judd boot, yeah. Yeah, but it's not just the Judd boot, it's not the episode. That would be completely different to Judd. Even Judd, like, yeah.

[00:41:00] He'll be getting eaten by damn crocodiles is like the one thing and then- Well what about this one? This is way, way back and it's a little simple. Just what about the shot of Bobby, John, and Stephanie stepping out at the top of the pyramids?

[00:41:13] I honestly could, yeah. Like that power structure, if you talk about taking a snapshot, is represented in that image. It was the first time returnees were mixed in with new players. Everyone was looking up to them and that kind of spelled how the season would be dictated.

[00:41:27] Yeah, that's like etched into my mind from when I was a kid. Probably more than anything else in Guatemala. And it connects to like Stephanie's run. The one where Stephanie and Bobby, John come back, that's what it would be.

[00:41:39] This is interesting because I do think Rob said, when will it ever not be the most memorable moment? I do think the car moment probably is the most memorable moment. But I don't think it's the most defining moment because I don't think it can mean anything else.

[00:41:50] How much is it upstaged by a different car moment? That's what I was going to say, like what we were talking about. Oh, Brenda giving away immunity is upstaged by Eric giving away immunity. I would say this is- This is the order is flip flop.

[00:42:02] Yeah, the second most memorable car reward moment. Okay, so enough of Cindy. I think even Judd, like I think that that's maybe the most entertaining stuff. But I don't necessarily think it defines it. The defining moment is Stephanie and Bobby, John walking out.

[00:42:15] What's that? That's not a great- Well actually on the spreadsheet, I have a similar one, like a similar option for a different returning season. Where I actually think them like just being there might be the thing. Maybe get to depending on the- It is a game changing moment.

[00:42:31] Again, this is the first time that there are new players and they say, okay, returning players come in. That's going to define so many seasons of Survivor moving forward. But I don't think it defines this season.

[00:42:42] Whereas I think that Danny, it has to like something on Danny's journey. But like the season isn't about Danny's journey. The season is about Stephanie losing the game. Could I throw out another moment? What about Danny getting the advantage at the auction play in the board game?

[00:43:01] Yeah, but it doesn't define the season. When you think of Guatemala, the one where what? I think if I'm thinking of an image though, I feel like I see like Danny leaning up against that post with like her long arms holding on to the rope.

[00:43:17] Could it be the final immunity challenge? That's what I've been saying this whole time Ross! Well, I think the final immunity challenge is different than what you were saying of Rafe walking up to Danny afterwards and saying, I release you of taking me to the final two.

[00:43:32] Yeah, that moment is what I'm saying. Like it's that same image where she's there in the same structure. The moment when they drop from... Yeah, that happens after the challenge. They're holding on to two ropes.

[00:43:43] And then that moment, does Jeff tell them they have to hold on to one or they both drop to one? If we have to question it, it's not the moment. The moment when Jeff...

[00:43:52] Well, I think Rob's specifically thinking of the image of Danny leaned up like an obtuse angle up against the post. I think that's what he's thinking of. That's not it. That's not it. I think I'm between... What Danny leaning against the post isn't...

[00:44:08] It's not the one where Danny... Even with the final immunity challenge, it'd be the Rafe moment. Not to take it back to Judd, but let's go to a moment you mentioned. Idol is definitely on the ground. It is the first hidden immunity idol introduced in Survivor history.

[00:44:20] Yeah, but I think that's more of a trivia question than a memorable moment. Yeah. I think the one where Stephanie and Bobby John come back or the one where Rafe releases Danny from her promise. I would go with the former, personally. I think that as big of a...

[00:44:38] It wasn't a spreadsheet, but... As big of a character as Rafe was, that was defining. Like, I think it is impossible to come up with a defining moment that does not include Stephanie LaGrosa. She was the bee's knees coming in, coming out of it.

[00:44:51] Everyone wanted bees to sting her knees. I think a moment has to involve her. Yeah, and these ones are good for me because I was a kid. So it's actually better to be able to reach back into my memory to be like, what stood out for me?

[00:45:02] Oh yeah, let's ask a bunch of kids after every Survivor season. Yeah, that's a good idea. What their memorable moment is. The kid in this instance is me. This former me. That actually did help me with another one of the seasons nearby. So are we doing that?

[00:45:14] The one where Stephanie and Bobby John come back and it's that image of them on the temple? I feel like I am still more on the final immunity challenge, but... Well, let me modify it.

[00:45:23] Could we do less of Danny standing on the post and more like Stephanie wracked with pain as she slowly slumps her way down? Yeah, I don't know what that changes. It's not the one where Stephanie was slumped with pain. But it's fine. I can, you know...

[00:45:39] Rob, if you say it's not the final immunity challenge, but it's rape relieving, Danny, now I'm an interesting thing. No, no, it's not what I'm saying. Okay, well then I'm going with Stephanie and Bobby John. Okay. Because I don't think your thing is anything.

[00:45:50] It's not even on the list, Frankie. It's not anything? I don't think it's anything. I don't think it's anything? It's just anything. I don't think it's anything. If I was going to go with Danny winning a challenge, it would be at the final six. Okay.

[00:46:03] It wouldn't be at the final three. And Mike? I will say Stephanie and Bobby John. What about Danny's birthday party? At the swimming pool? Yeah. Yeah, I did think about that.

[00:46:11] I have a great Bobby John history moment where he talks about in the ancient days, the Mayan warlords came down to converse with one another at the swimming pool. What about Lydia doing the pancake for the 7000th time? All memorable.

[00:46:23] Is it the one where Lydia did the pancake for the 7000th time? The friends metric is so helpful. Okay. Mike, what's your final entry? I will look to the top of the pyramid again. And I will go with that.

[00:46:39] I think maybe I'm looking more at the picturesque moment. And I think it also speaks to the theme. I know we don't focus a lot on that, but like the fact that they stayed on actual Maya pyramids.

[00:46:48] It's a really cool image that we don't see a lot in Survivor, especially nowadays. Yeah, it's memorable. Okay. That's right. All right. He's right. There you go. Stephanie, Bobby, John, enter. All right. I believe we're up to our, this is going to be our seventh entry. Several.

[00:47:01] We're going to do so many seasons. Several. We're going to do all the seasons. Oh no. I did see Jalinski in the chat before. I think he was waiting for 46 to come up. Was that the real Jalinski or an imposter? We have an easy one. Okay. Okay.

[00:47:16] We like this one. The first. Survivor 1. There we go. I think we leave it behind and let the vultures take care of it. Move on. Oh my God, by the way, did I send you the song, the snakes and rats song that Alex G sent me from TikTok?

[00:47:32] No. The what? Wait, the what? What? Wait, it's so good. If I sent it to Sam, could Sam play the song? If you put it in the chat, I can put it on. Yeah. Remixing the snakes and rats speech into a song.

[00:47:46] And I was like, damn, why does this go so hard? This is not only the defining moment of the season. It's the defining moment of Survivor. I think it's a TikTok. I could be. It could be if the Seahawks were going through a hawk of songs right now.

[00:47:58] Yeah, I mean, this is to me, Survivor. I think I talked about this on the Borneo pod as well with you, Rob. This is Survivor in a nutshell, right? It's the idea of building these relationships with people and then voting them out and dealing with the repercussions.

[00:48:13] And the fact that Sue felt so burned by this bond that she built with this girl over the course of 39 days, that she came in and delivered the most venomous sting that has been delivered on reality. I could have been home watching Tom Green right now.

[00:48:29] I want to see if his mom would get off the rail. Watch him stay on for the umpteenth time. Yes, it's Richard's win. Kelly's loss. It's that whole alliance. It's like the most important thing in Survivor history.

[00:48:41] It's so obvious that it's on the graphic for this podcast, which so it doesn't necessitate a ton of discussion. I will say on the graphic, by the way, here's some stuff behind the curtain of the podcast.

[00:48:50] So you saw a great graphic by Tricky that's Survivor season defining moments. OK, got like the obvious ones as we're talking about, like snakes and rats before Sam put a placeholder name into the podcast and it was Survivor Bingo.

[00:49:03] And Ricky made such a good graphic that was Survivor Bingo. Well, maybe one day we can play Survivor Bingo then. I was like, this graphic will never be the light of day. And then when I came back to the chat, I was like, I like the Bingo graphic.

[00:49:15] It's so good. But it has nothing to do with this podcast. What? It has nothing to do with this podcast. Yes. I will look your bingo balls dead in the eye. I'll bring it up on. I'll open up Slack and I'll bring it up. The bingo ball thing?

[00:49:31] Yes. Yes. Well, Sam, what patron level should we make that they get to be in the Slack? Oh, I like that. $100 a day. $100 a day? Wow. Rob's about to get a sugar daddy. Is it? Oh my God. But Sam, did you get my TikTok?

[00:49:50] I got we got here. Let me see. Did you get my TikTok? Did you get my TikTok? OK. All right. So here, let's see if I go back to this. OK, this is. That's not the bingo graphic. OK, this is not the bingo graphic.

[00:50:00] This is the first thing you wanted to see. You want to take this down? Listen to the song and then we'll look at the bingo graphic and then we'll talk more about the podcast. OK, here we go. This is like AI music. This is AI music.

[00:50:36] I think we get it. Yeah. No, go to the chorus. We can't. All right. We're not scrubbing through a TikTok. Yeah, actually. You didn't like it? It's fine. I love it. It's great. It was fun. Listen to the whole thing.

[00:50:50] Everyone in the chat, listen to the whole thing. Don't do it now. Don't leave the podcast. I'm surprised you didn't like it because I really thought that it was catchy and it was a whole speech. OK, fine. Can you do the bingo ball thing then?

[00:50:59] OK, I'll do that now. I thought there was a one that I liked more that was from Liz and the Applebee's reward. Oh, well, that might be when 46 comes up. That might be in the discussion. Oh, there was an AI song about Applebee's reward. I can do anything.

[00:51:19] That's not it. OK, if anybody has that link in the chat, that was a really... This is the graphic. Bingo moment. There's not anything. You really overhyped the bingo graphic. You're making me seem hyperbolic. You oversold the bingo. You didn't like my song.

[00:51:39] You didn't like Tricky's bingo graphic. It's funny because it's bingo moments, which is nothing. I'm enjoying the little things. I'm sorry that you don't, Rob. I wish joy for you. OK, all right. But the Liz song when she didn't get Applebee's was great. Let me... If anybody has...

[00:51:59] I'll do a survivor jukebox on a future week and just play a bunch of remixed music. Survivor's big on TikTok now. Yeah, send that to me on Twitter. Whoever puts that in the chat... Then you can call in. You can call in. Oh, I like this. Scavenger hunt.

[00:52:19] It's like looking for an idol. Your idol is the Liz Applebee's remix. Go find it. It's a really fun way to consume a podcast to be also doing a task in order to gain something. OK, all right. I'm sorry I didn't like the song because it really slapped.

[00:52:35] Yeah, it was fine. I liked it. I like the iTunes 30 second sample we got. Yeah, it took a little too long to get where it needed to go. It's a very long speech. I couldn't get it all. Let's find out where we're at. Shannon, what's up next?

[00:52:53] This one's an interesting discussion. I'm excited about it. Korong. Survivor Korong. We could go in a bunch of different directions with this one. And I wonder, did this already get solved for us by Season 46's Hunter? Who described it as the season where Caleb got medivacked.

[00:53:16] I thought he said it was the... Oh no, he described Game Changers as the one with Debbie, right? The one with Debbie. Well, that's not what we went, Hunter. Hunter couldn't even do the bingo version of this because he doesn't know the numbers of the seasons.

[00:53:27] Yeah, Hunter would be struggling right now. So he would, yeah. That's why he's not our guest on this podcast. We almost went with Hunter. If he was the guest on our podcast, we'd have to end it in six minutes. Why? Because he had to do the challenge?

[00:53:45] We only have an hour with him. This would be our deep dive with him, right? We'd come on and have him assign defining moments to each survivor. That's my bucket list survivor interview. Get a survivor for a one hour deep dive and never talk about survivor with them.

[00:54:03] That feels like something Nathan Fielder would do. It sounds like a curb your enthusiasm type of thing. Like, it's a good prank. Sam, get Banu on the line. See, the one thing that I would suggest, because I do agree that I think obviously it's going to have

[00:54:17] the most amount of X in survivor history with three that all come at different points. And it is probably the most harrowing medical situation, certainly one of them that we've had in the show's history. If we're talking about one that defines the gameplay of the season more,

[00:54:29] I would say Ty reneging on the idol and not giving it to Scott. Because I think that speaks to like the villain's downfall. Ty obviously making this big swap over and also kind of sinking his own game in the process as well.

[00:54:41] Yeah. So the most memorable moment, I think, is Caleb almost dying. For the salt and pepper. But I don't know that that's it, but it is defining to a degree because it was a season with Medivacs. So I do think it's in the conversation.

[00:54:56] It is in my first column, but so are a couple of other things. What I want it to be what the chat's talking about, what Mike just said, Ty not giving Scott the super idol to me like that moment's etched in my brain.

[00:55:06] And I do want it to be that, but then I'll give you a third option. How do we remember the season? How do we talk about the season? How has it been defined in history? Michelle beats Aubrey.

[00:55:14] I think often sometimes the defining moment is in the win or especially in the loss. Can I throw something else out here? Do it, do it, do it. Are we open to moments that happen at the reunion?

[00:55:29] Because I just covered this where at the Survivor Co-Wrong season 32 reunion, a woman comes out of the audience. A woman by the name of Sia. And presents Ty $50,000 for being her favorite player of the season. Lunch lady's in need of some money we call it here.

[00:55:53] It's not a good option. What about? For the reason of, can I just, why I'm insulting Rob's option. I'm a Survivor expert and I think if you were to give me the trivia question like what was the first Sia season? The first season?

[00:56:06] Does that even sound like anything? I don't know that I would know. What if we rewind time a bit and talk about what led to Sia storming the stage? What about Mark the Chicken? The one with Mark the Chicken? That's not a moment, that's just a chicken.

[00:56:24] I mean we could do like Ty bringing Mark the Chicken to final travel council. It could be a Mark the Chicken moment. It's not that. Mark the Chicken is important but we've got so many other good options. We've got Caleb the most memorable, the medivac part of it.

[00:56:36] We've got Ty doesn't give Scott the idol. That's like the whole strategy of the season. Scott's boot is the vote of the season. That's what leads to all of that. It's a super idol, it's that mechanism. It's Aubrey doing that vote, Michelle gets blindsided.

[00:56:48] The story of the season is there. The strategy of the season is in that moment. It's one of my favorite moments in Survivor history. Certainly my favorite moment of the season. Or Michelle beats Aubrey. That has defined so much. Every single time there's a contentious jury vote.

[00:57:02] We talk about Michelle beats Aubrey. They talked about it on Winners at War. The chat's even saying and I agree when Rob and Michelle have that great moment where they're all hunting for different boxes. But did Hunter say Survivor co-runks the one where Michelle beat Aubrey?

[00:57:14] Hunter is not here, but it's not about what Hunter wants. Hunter didn't even win that challenge. Hunter's in here Shannon, Hunter's in here. Hunter doesn't know what's going on. I think we have two real legitimate options on the table. The third that you just cut out.

[00:57:29] I gave three options. Rob eliminated one. Scott and Ty, Michelle beats Aubrey. Those are the three in my first column. I had Michelle kick the puzzle, but I don't think it's that. I feel like the reprise of like if Michelle won handily,

[00:57:45] because I think I'm trying to remember if that was the final immunity challenge that she won or not. It was the final four. Yeah, so that wasn't even like, oh, Michelle clinched her way to the final three and won. It was. Wasn't that the final four?

[00:58:00] I thought it was the challenge to get an advantage. The juror eliminated one. It wasn't that. That was a balanced challenge to get the jury removal. But the fact that I don't know if it was five or four means it's probably not that moment, although I do think.

[00:58:13] No, it was the. All right. I think the yeah, so the final four was the tower, but then we had the advantage one afterwards, which was stack the balls on the wobbly tower. Yeah, so it was the final four, which is what I did think.

[00:58:27] Then you made me doubt it. It's not Michelle kicking the puzzle, but I do think that any New Era contestant knows Michelle kicking the puzzle and 0% of Australian survivor contestants, as we've seen, would do the same thing.

[00:58:37] But it's not that I just wanted to throw it out there. I'm going to kick it down now. I think we have three really good options that I'm really stuck between them and they all have a really good. Mike, do you have a strong feeling here? I would.

[00:58:50] It's tough because I feel like going with blank wins can be kind of a cop out. It's not wins. It's beats Aubrey. Michelle beats Aubrey. It's it was so shocking. Yeah, I would be between that and the medivacs.

[00:59:04] I think those are the two in that I really not tie. Well, because well, I think that I think it's it's the biggest moment of gameplay of the season, but I feel like we don't necessarily remember co-wrong with the gameplay for at the

[00:59:15] forefront, you know, like I think it's looked at as the end result and wow, look at all these wild medivacs in the preview for survivor co-wrong. Jeff said it's the toughest season of survivor ever. And so I do think that that's an element that is going to

[00:59:30] affect the rest of the season. Well, if you talk about game-changing moments didn't Steven talk about how in Cambodia they were preface so many times to have enough water and they always now have potable water. That's why Caleb's a game changer.

[00:59:45] Yeah, it's hard for me to go for something like this is the exact process that I had when I was like, oh, I think it's probably time on giving the idol. And then what I literally thought was it's probably Caleb

[00:59:57] getting that in a way that it annoyed me. If there were another Medivac, I'd say definitely not. It's the most memorable, but it's not defining because many backs were such a big part of that. Neil's Medivac.

[01:00:08] No, as I think, Oh, Joe, Joe Campo. Yeah. I see. This is, this is a weird discrepancy because I would feel like Caleb's Medivac is maybe more so a defining moment for the show. Cause let's also remember the fourth wall is demolished. They are bringing in

[01:00:24] crew members from all over the place to step out, chip in whenever they can. This was the first time really since the Mike Scoopin Medivac that like survivors crew was showcased all these hundreds of people behind the scenes.

[01:00:35] Okay. I will talk about Scoop if we get there. Um, I really want to go with Michelle beats Aubrey for me that defines the season. That's my vote. But you guys, you guys choose from

[01:00:49] that. I have to say while certainly that's an important thing that happened. I feel like I remember almost nothing about that final tribal council. I don't remember really anything about it being super. I'm still thinking about it. Okay. But do you remember moments from

[01:01:08] the tribal council? It's not about, it's not the tribe. I remember Todd bringing Mark the chicken. It's literally the moment when Michelle beats Aubrey, the one where Michelle beats Aubrey. That's it. I think I'm coming down more on the medical evacuation and just the

[01:01:23] epicness of that happening. What it meant for the show, Mike, what do you think? I mean, I'm a basic bitch. I'll go with the Medivac here. I mean, I, Oh, I guess you can't get

[01:01:39] everything you want in one podcast, Shannon. Wow. Some people would want me to be happy. I thought about the so, so thoroughly. I mean, I have the Medivac there. I just like,

[01:01:53] it doesn't say anything about like the interesting parts of the season, but it is, it's the most memorable, but is it the most defining? I mean, who knows how to, how did not happen?

[01:02:04] Maybe Caleb would have gone on to win. Maybe probably. That's on my side. All right. Let's then bring in, I have, I found the video that I was talking about. Oh, you mind the person

[01:02:15] who sent you the video though? No, I, yeah, it was me and I'm already on the podcast. We're going to bring you onto the podcast. Oh, I think we should interview you. Okay. But where,

[01:02:23] uh, we said we're going to start to go do about another 30 minutes. No, we want more. I thought this show was so fun. Let's do it for another three hours. No. All right. Look at you. Here

[01:02:34] we go. Um, and here's, here's a remix. Uh, this was on, this was on the survivor Reddit. I love the, like, uh, the karaoke yellow subtitles as well. M a P L B posted this,

[01:02:50] uh, and it is created by reality remix. Okay. Uh, here, listen, listen to this one. I thought this one was really good. Okay. Wow. You blew up my whole fricking spot. I didn't even know about that damn split vote last night,

[01:03:37] but Liz, he voted for me last night. So decisions based on my head is right now in the game. I'm sorry. And it fell off a little bit. Oh, thank y'all for letting me have that. I feel bad.

[01:03:56] Oh, I just explode. I'm sorry. To your regularly scheduled program. Yeah. That was a hit by the great artist. Apple Beeley. I think we may need to put on the, the proverbial, proverbial wheel, like a survivor jukebox. Yeah. I think there's a little box of what happens. Yeah.

[01:04:37] No, it needed to be due. Of course. I'm like, I'm pissed. I'm pissed. Just like, I'm so free. Well, they pretty much just went through the entire. I don't know what they did. I'm just,

[01:04:49] this is my notes. Yeah. Okay. All right. You're that MPB L W. Yeah. That's going to be my song for whenever Rob's means me. I'm pissed. I'm pissed. All right. That was good. That was,

[01:05:02] that was not where I was expecting it to go. I expected like the banger and then it came in like emotional. Yes. Yeah. That was really well done. Okay. The opposite. You have the fury that Liz

[01:05:10] brought. All right. What do you got? So many more of these than I also need to bring up from a conversation about how much we have to do. Let's talk about it. 41. I think this one's quite

[01:05:19] obvious. Oh yeah. This is the most, this is the only green I have in the new era. Yeah. It's smashing the hourglass. Yeah. Well let's do it on the count of three. It's not anything else. Sorry.

[01:05:32] I'll smash the hourglass and go back in time so we can say at the same time. Yeah. Are we positive it's that? Yes. Because for me, Survivor 41 is determined the storytelling, especially by

[01:05:44] advantages, by twists, by the idea that this is the new era. This is the monster. We're bringing in brand new things that the show has never seen before. Can I, in the words of Emily Flipping,

[01:05:54] can I push back on that? Please. Is it the Shan boot? Okay. That was in my secondary column because even for the green ones that had other options, I had the Shan them, I had the Shan boot.

[01:06:04] I do think the Shan boot is the best moment of the season. The best episode of the season. Remember, a beautiful Rupert-like downfall. They are but not compared to each other.

[01:06:14] Well, we said that at the time. I think I covered that episode with you, Rob. That to me is the most memorable episode in saying that the hourglass is the most memorable moment. As you said, it speaks

[01:06:23] to the twist, speaks to Erika's journey. It feels wrong not having Shan. I even thought like Shan and Liana on the journey, but it is the island part of it. It defines a new era, it defines a season.

[01:06:36] The one with the hourglass, it speaks for itself. Yeah. I mean, I guess a runner up that I would see would be what takes place later in that two-part episode, which is the knowledge is power fake out

[01:06:46] because there's also like the weird flashback editing where we didn't know that they had swapped out the idols and we find it after the fact. This is another new advantage that gets

[01:06:55] brought in and then is summarily kind of written off by the contestants. And it is also a bit of like that genius dropping moment where we all remember what happened in that moment. Yeah.

[01:07:05] I think it's probably the hourglass, but it's like the hourglass in the same way that like Jar Jar Binks is the most iconic thing from the Phantom Menace of like, yeah. Like remember how much that sucked? Yeah. Like Daniel Sanchez in the chat says, is Shannon saying something

[01:07:21] positive about the hourglass? What a twist. I'm not, but it is the defining moment. It's the defining moment of everything that's wrong with the season and it's Erika's journey. And it is the symbol that you go to. Like I agree, knowledge is power, way better moment. Way more

[01:07:34] entertaining, but it's not where your mind goes to like instantly. That was the monster Jar Jar Binks the entire time. And they just couldn't keep them off for proprietary reasons. Where is

[01:07:44] the impression from either of you? Oh, Erika, you succumbed me. You're a lion now. Oh, this one, this one like came up by itself. Oh, did you poodoo in the ocean? Me so like what you say about

[01:07:59] broccoli? We could have done that. You should totally undersold the stew. Carrots and hearty potatoes. Warm broth. We called that Jar Jar Candy. I regret so much asking for the impression. What did I do? No, you also can have this fake.

[01:08:23] Are we going to be able to do the regular? Maybe that's the reason why Xander lost it because he was Jar Jar Binks. Yep. Can we have a Jar Jar Binks with the monster and Xander and

[01:08:33] Xander's the monster? They're all one in the same. Have you ever seen them all in the same room? No, you select this cardigan, Ricard. Oh, you're gonna have a baby with your name of Annie. I want to leave.

[01:08:48] Xander Hastings does sound like a character in the Star Wars universe. Yeah, sounds like a killer. 66. Yep. And one day, Mike will do a brand steal with Jam Jam Banks. Oh my God. Do it. Talk, talk, talk. Josh.

[01:09:06] Me so can't wait to poop in the ocean. I think I just thought about what the 44 women might be. Okay. All right. So hourglass hourglass. Yeah. Hourglass. I think it's got to go through. Speaking of hourglass. I drew the bowl like five minutes ago. Okay. Speaking of hourglass,

[01:09:26] let's put 20 minutes on the clock. No, no, no. You don't get to take 20 minutes off the clock after five full minutes of Jar Jar Binks impressions. You went through seasons. I will make it legal. What about Jar Jar Linsky? You've made a whole class of Jar Jar Binks.

[01:09:55] That's kind of what Survivor 46 is. It's like all the gunkins play together. Hunter really caught some strays on this podcast, especially. Okay. I've had this ball in my hand for five minutes. Through all the Jar Jar Binks stuff, the ball's been in my hand.

[01:10:15] You don't deserve the ball. Okay. I'm putting one minute on the clock. Are you wrapping up now? No, no, no, no. I'm mad. I'm just decompressing. You might be aware. B6. B6. Oh, really easy. Really, really easy one. Count of three? What do you got?

[01:10:44] Chocolate and peanut butter every day of the week. Why? Is that your diet? I mean, I wish pretty much. Win a journey, but also like all the characters there, everyone's there. You know, there's character moments from everyone. You're there, Rob. You say get these girls chocolate and peanut

[01:11:02] butter. It's the tenor of the season and being strangely. Yeah. Thank you for saying it that way. The theme. I think healthy sexuality, Mike. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing healthier than chocolate and peanut butter. I really wish to move on, you know,

[01:11:19] and it's a most memorable moment. It's chocolate and peanut. They say that chocolate is an aphrodisiac, Mike. That's very true. Is that a line from it? I feel like or maybe I'm thinking. That's what I heard. I imagine Bush saying something like that just out of pocket.

[01:11:35] He said, I'm not looking. I'm not looking. But yeah, this is an iconic moment in survivor history. I think it does, again, define the Amazon, which was, as we talked on the podcast, throwing a lot of these young people with the younger, hotter bodies to quote Heidi together

[01:11:49] to see how this battle of the sexes would work out. It does conveniently enough tie into the winner's journey as well as she unties her bikini. So I think the only other one would be

[01:12:01] Matthew. Yeah, I think throwing himself makes it sound like a little sexier than what actually happened. They just pulled it down to their knees. It was it wasn't it wasn't good. It was actually one of the least sexiest things that ever happened

[01:12:17] to women that had not taken a shower in three weeks. Peel their disgusting bathing suits off of their amazingly dirty bodies, revealing not a tan line, but like a dirt line. I'm not going to yuck anyone. They're emaciated bodies.

[01:12:37] But it did give them a playboy spread, didn't it? Did it? I don't know. I was like, yeah, it did. I believe so. If you like me now, if I believe so, when I'm when I'm when I'm clean.

[01:12:48] Well, J. Lee in the chat says the light slowly going out of Shannon's eyes. And I don't even know what point of the podcast this was. You said, remember? Jeff, I should take off my clothes for American. Yeah, I'm in my did Obi Wan Kenobi

[01:13:07] take off his clothes when Darth Vader struck him down on the Death Star. I think it was the opposite. I think it's Jeff. I will disappear my body for chocolate and peanut butter. I'll go back to my cave, strike me down and I'll rise back sweeter than before.

[01:13:27] What is wrong with either of you? I'm still waiting for a caller. Yeah, I'm waiting for a caller to they were going to be the list person, but now it's you. Nobody succeeded in their scavenger hunt. I lost a bingo ball.

[01:13:41] But yeah, it's definitely chocolate and peanut butter. Yeah. The other one was Matt turning on Rob, but like that was just secondary call. I have options. All right. Good job with the magic six

[01:13:52] ball. Very nice. Yeah, because I had to retire the other magic April that wasn't working. You have yours. You can use this is not the original. I'm not sure where one works.

[01:14:02] Shannon has the magic blue ball, if I remember. Oh yeah. The other one is behind me. Yeah. OK, Jenny, it worked. Jenny in the chat. Shannon, you have a beautiful singing voice.

[01:14:11] Bring her on the podcast. OK, all right. Let's see. First person to compliment me gets on the podcast. Well, they've been a lot of Jenny McDonald. Come on down. Our week, Jerry McDonald from Big Brother 10. Jenny, Jenny. Oh, damn it. Is was Jenna and Heidi stripping for chocolate

[01:14:31] butter? The most defining moment of the Amazon. I would definitely say so. This one doesn't work that good, got to be honest. So it doesn't mean last week those magic eight balls are bad.

[01:14:41] Especially the magic prediction ball. That was not even a they all suck. Let's go with yes. All right. All right. What comes up next? I've held this ball for minutes again. Have I held the ball?

[01:14:52] It's a really obvious one that we can move on. We can do all 46. I'm not leaving until we do with my favorite season. Wonderful. Edge of Extinction. Yeah, even 38. Sometimes be careful,

[01:15:01] Shannon. You hold the ball too long and don't use it. And then it's becomes the color of your discarded magic eight ball. You got a donut. I quit. Hey, is that the defining moment of

[01:15:19] Extinction? When when when Keith relieved the edge. Oh, that's good, too. But I think I'm a better now. OK, so so we're so then sometimes if you hold the ball too long, then

[01:15:33] you are on the edge. OK, one, two, three. Chris Underwood. Yeah, yeah. That's it. OK. It's the defining moment of the finale. I mean, it's also talking about the biggest character. All right. Well, let me just also throw out that Ari Ferrari. Yeah. And there's nothing

[01:15:52] mattered before that moment because of the edge. Ari Ferrari in the chat was pushing pilots and passengers potentially is a renowned edge of extinction expert, if I remember correctly. The one with pilots and passengers, it's not none of that mattered. Chris wasn't even there.

[01:16:06] And he won. So when his journey, the way that we all talk about fire and putting yourself into fire and we can't escape it. So it must be true because it has kept us for years

[01:16:14] on paper. The anger, the rage, the feeling. I mean, on paper, I would say that like pilots and passengers invoked the chaotic sense of the post-merge of edge of extinction, where everyone was quite literally over the place, all over the place and flipping at a moment's notice.

[01:16:30] But this also represents that as well, which is like the season quite literally going up in flames that like it and this guy who was third boot goes up against this guy who was fourth boot and the

[01:16:41] odds on paper to win after finding three immunity idols and winning immunity twice going together in a fire making challenge. Yeah, it's yeah, because that's how Devon gets voted out as well. So yeah,

[01:16:52] that ream definitely defines the edge. But I don't know if there's a moment of that. Maybe no one points out to that. This is the season where Jeff said, you know, some moments are instantly iconic. And I think that moment wasn't. I think it was instantly iconic.

[01:17:08] I think it means it's not. Oh, don't tell baby. Yeah. Yeah. OK. All right. Then coming up from the edge. All right. We got 38. All right. Let's keep going. Also, also, it's tough to narrow it down to one re moment, you know, like,

[01:17:20] she had some maybe like her greeting war dog in the post-credits scene after she gets to the edge. OK. OK. In a quote, it's all right. In a moment. Oh, wow. Pull out. He 10. Sam, are we working on our caller also?

[01:17:40] Yes. Yeah. I know. Jerry has a little bit of trouble with phones. He's in his, you know, his 80s at this point. So if you need to need to get him on the rotary, it's OK. OK. Maybe

[01:17:50] Jenny is someplace where she can Jenny, if you're someplace where you can't come on the call. OK. Jenny has an email. Sam, let us know when we don't reach out to her. How we how can doesn't have all the emails in the world.

[01:18:05] All right. So I so I am I am between two on Palau. Yeah. So the first one is the final immunity challenge where Ian steps out after half a day. The other one is Stephanie leaving

[01:18:19] the Oolong Beach by herself. Yeah, there's like, yes, this season is obviously Tom is a huge dominant winner. You can hear me talk about him and much more on Friday with Haley Strong

[01:18:28] talking about Palau on the wish list. But this season is remembered as for the first time in survivor history, one tribe lost every single immunity challenge, winnowing it down to a

[01:18:38] tribe of one. Yeah. And I guess that is in a way symbolic of the dominance of the Karoor tribe. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I mean, that's my moment. I think in giving up immunity at the final three

[01:18:54] in my secondary column. But I think this is a green. Steph goes back to Oolong alone, spends the night at Oolong alone. Oolong defines a season, as you said, the dominance, the tenor of the

[01:19:03] season. And then what about like the the image of her pushing the boat by herself and see you later Oolong? Like it is a picturesque moment in and of itself. What about when Kobe beats James Miller

[01:19:16] and Sumo at sea? I feel like that's if we were doing the most defining pride moments of each survivor season. It is pride month. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't think it's I don't know

[01:19:26] why I have this in yellow. I think it's pretty green. Okay. The one yeah, I might like the merge book that was never used on survivor Palau. Fair enough. Okay. We're gonna get all 46.

[01:19:37] I can't help in the bingo ball machine. Here we go. Okay, what do you got? Another great season. Nicaragua. Okay, defining moment of survivor Nicaragua. Oh, oh, this is an interesting one.

[01:19:54] It's actually it's I think it's quite easy. I mean, this is what it's most remembered for versus like what? What? Okay, so let's just put the quits out there. Yeah. Okay, the quiz. Well, Mike, what do you what's another one? What do you think it's between that?

[01:20:09] Well, wait, the chatter thing Fabio peeing in the pool, which is what Peter said. And I was like, no one cares about that. But you Peter talks about Fabio peeing in the pool more than he

[01:20:17] should. Well, his name is Peter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So all p moments are just part of his DNA. PNA, if you will. Yeah. So I had to facepalm myself. I think that like, it's one of these things where

[01:20:33] yes, this this season wasn't necessarily about Fabio winning, but it doesn't really deal with like anything from the endgame. You know, it was unprecedented in that it's two people quitting at

[01:20:42] the same time. And it does change the rules of quitting. But I'm also hard pressed to think of any other one limbo sits in a giant chair, or like them going to see Gulliver's travel.

[01:20:51] Yeah, it did nothing else. I have a green and I don't have another option. The shoes, the crocodile shoes. I think it's the quits. Yeah. If Holly had gone on to win, I would argue her filling Dan limbo may he rest in peace.

[01:21:04] His alligator shoes could be it. But yeah, there's like, if you're highlighting a Fabio moment and kind of like the wackadoo aspects of Nicaragua, maybe it would be something Fabio wise. But I think

[01:21:13] it's got to be the duck quits. And they Anka was such a big character of the season that that also feels intrinsic to putting her in there. OK, I worry that we don't have Jenny. OK, well, she's right. Shannon, worry no more. Here's Jenny.

[01:21:28] Hi, Jenny. Can you hear me? Yeah, you're good. Oh, hi, Jenny. First off, let me apologize. I'm sorry it took so long for Sam to get a hold of

[01:21:40] you. Yes. No, you know what? I didn't even see the comment in the chat. I have to say that the the comment that I made is the first YouTube comment I have ever made. And look at what

[01:21:50] happened. I wasn't watching for responses and all of a sudden I kept seeing my name and I was like, what's happening? Yes, you're on the podcast. OK, now, Jenny, where are you calling from? I'm calling from Nova Scotia, Canada. OK. All right. Jenny, have you.

[01:22:07] So sorry about Big Brother Canada, by the way. Yes. Oh, well, thank you. We are in mourning. Yes. OK, Jenny, did you have any big disagreements with anything we've done so far? You know what? No, because I

[01:22:22] have started watching Survivor when I was in high school and it first started. So you can maybe do some math on my age on that one. And then when I moved on from high school into college and stuff,

[01:22:32] I had kind of dropped out of the circus, I guess. And in the last probably two years, have started going back and rewatching things. So it's actually been a really good refresher

[01:22:42] to listen to you guys talk about these moments and go, oh yeah, I've seen that one or maybe I should go watch that one. Yeah, I'm just a little aside for the Renap listeners. I'm just getting a phone call from Sirius XM.

[01:22:57] Oh, OK. I was wondering why you were just randomly holding up. I was trying to show that that's a callback to something else. No, it's not even worth it. OK. All right, Jenny, do you have a cat? I have two. Oh my God. What is happening?

[01:23:12] All three people I put on the chat have cats. Yeah. How do I know that? You have a catdar. Yeah, I've got an amazing catdar, but not even on purpose. You have two cats. What are their names, Jenny? They're named Gibson and Gunner. Beautiful. Gibson is named after

[01:23:27] Gibson guitars. Amazing. From my past life as a musician and Gunner. Cool. And Gunner, my husband named after the Arsenal Gunners, so the soccer team. Oh, OK. Cool. All right. There you go. And you're a musician. You said I have a nice voice and you seem to be

[01:23:45] somewhat learned in that discipline. I actually have a degree as a singer, so take that for. So do I! Wow. I think Shannon's just finding best friends every week. I love this stuff. Yes. All right. Well, Shannon, you want to pull another ball?

[01:24:00] Yeah, I did. I've been holding this. As we jog your memory. Jenny, do you care about Jar Jar Binks? Do I care about Jar Jar Binks? There is one answer to this. Not really. How rude!

[01:24:15] My cat's meowing at me. I think he knows that Shannon wants to hear from him. He's like, oh my God, you set our cats up. Not good with the long distance. Anyway, are you breeding cats? No, I'm actually very against that. My cats can't breed anyway.

[01:24:30] Anyway, you won't have to go back in your memory, Jenny, if you want to help us with this one, because it is season 46 and we did talk about this last week a little bit. Oh, so we argued a little bit last week.

[01:24:41] We came up with we had three options. We talked about I'm pissed, which we did just hear in musical form. So did you like that song, Jenny? Oh, yeah, that was awesome. So now two beats in. I also agree with Shannon, it needs a repeated chorus.

[01:24:55] Do the other moments we talk about have to have musicalized versions to compare to the I'm pissed song? Do you know what they don't? But there are some other musical moments from that season, like the Taylor Swift off. Yeah, but yes. The dances in HBDC.

[01:25:10] We of course have the church song about get some food if you're in the mood. Yeah, yep. Yes, and lots of eye rolling at camp songs. So I think this is one that we threw out last week. I'll bring it up again.

[01:25:24] Hide and seek, I think, speaks to the fact that this is a goofy season, that this is, as Jeff said, like the most competitive cast ever, that they're taking time out of their malnourished, sleep deprived state to go play hide and seek.

[01:25:39] And it turns into this psychoanalysis of people saying, well, because you did this, this means that you're this type of player. In which they are all completely wrong about each other. Big mistake. I put that in the secondary column mostly for you, Mike.

[01:25:54] I think it's a cute moment and it does. A cute moment, yes. Yeah, it's a good symbol of the season. But I do think it's probably the I'm pissed moment. That's definitely the most memorable moment. It has Liz and Q and it's its character moment.

[01:26:08] It sums up the tenor of the season in the fighting and the crazy kind of toxicity, but it was funny. I think it's easier to do seasons from a long time ago because we know how history has come to define them. That's very true.

[01:26:19] Will history come to define Maria not voting for Charlie? For me, it will. But I do think for the general audience. What about Jelinski breaks the hourglass? Did he? Do you not remember that? Shannon, he literally- He hit in the hourglass. Right, right, right. I'm like, what twist?

[01:26:37] Yeah, Jelinski, several. The one with several is probably it, but should it be- No, but so I agree with you. But should it be? No, but so I do think that with Charlie and Maria, it does speak to a strategic theme of the season,

[01:26:50] which was turning on your number one ally. And that it's like, this is the ultimate form of it, right? Not voting for them to win a million dollars. Jenny, you're the tiebreaker. I don't mean to put you in a tough spot. Oh, that's a very tough spot.

[01:27:01] This is very important. I'm in Canada, so you can't come get me. So we are between I'm pissed and hide and seek. Is that what we're- No, no hide and seek. Between the Charlie and Maria. I think the conversations, what's the right word?

[01:27:23] The hype maybe around or the anger around the Charlie and Maria will... I think there's some people who will never give it up, but I think it will die down a little bit. I think the I'm pissed will live in meme history in...

[01:27:38] That is like the only moment of the entire season that my husband walked in on and then watched the entire thing and was like, what is happening right now? I mean, we- I'm pissed! Blamed everything. Yeah, I mean, we see from TikTok that it has already kind of

[01:27:52] transcended the medium in a way. I think it also does define the timbre of the Survivor 46 cast, which was very emotional, which was not afraid to express their hatred towards each other in the moment and behind the scenes. And Jenny, do you have Applebee's locally?

[01:28:09] No, I live in the country. Outside of a very small town. So no, I think I actually think the closest Applebee's, I was seeing Twitter stuff about people talking about where's the closest Applebee's. So I mapped the closest Applebee's

[01:28:24] and the closest Applebee's to me is not even in this country. Wow! There are Applebee's in this country, but it would be shorter for me to drive to like, to like, Maine or something and get Applebee's. Yeah. I've never had Applebee's. Let's go with Applebee's.

[01:28:40] I think literally the one with Applebee's is how you could define it. People in the chat are saying about, you know, them going home with idols. I agree in terms of the season, but that's not a moment. And it's also, yeah, it's tough.

[01:28:49] Yeah, because it's like if it was just the concept of four people going home with idols in their pockets, yes. But there's not like a succinct moment behind it. And I will also say, I know that Theo in the chat is comparing it to the Stacey Powell speech.

[01:29:02] This had like baked in game elements, right? Where like Liz was left out of the vote. And so she's taken out. It also represents how everyone felt about Q for half of the game too, where everyone just wanted to tear into him. So this felt very appropriate

[01:29:15] for this absolutely lovably wackadoo season. Okay, Jenny, any other questions for the panel? Questions? No, I want to say that between those two moments too is that I also love at least, I know you're not like judging based on post show and you know, in the Twitter streets

[01:29:31] and all that kind of stuff. But like Liz has taken her entire journey on the chin so well. She's a good sport. Yeah, she really is. Love it. And of course there's like lots of kind of like toxicity around the kind of Charlie Maria piece.

[01:29:44] So I also love kind of like holding up this Liz piece because she's just, there's so many ways that you could relive and watching and watching everyone watch you. And she's just kind of owned it. She's been a good sport. Counterpoint, possibly we should capture

[01:30:00] the toxicity of the season. Definitely the Charlie Maria. I mean, we did have Liz absolutely tear a man apart in front of her for no dying her Applebee's. No, that's a cute moment. I think we can watch the toxicity on the screen

[01:30:14] and then we can like heal from it after. I think that's a good idea. No, no healing. I think we should capture the lack of healing anyway. All right, Jenny, thank you so much for the call. Yes. This is awesome, Jenny. Thank you. Yes.

[01:30:24] Jenny, can me, Melissa and Shannon make a group chat where we talk about our cats? Yes, please. I'm also very glad that you caught me like sweating after I was just whippersnapping. You look great. You look fantastic. Whippersnapping? Yeah. What do you call it in the States?

[01:30:41] We call it a whippersnapper. Usually that's more reserved for closed doors. Yes. Weed whacker. Oh, weed whacking. Yes. Yeah. What a weird one. I like that. That's cuter. I'm not sure. Yeah. I have no shame. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Jenny. Hope the whippersnapping went well.

[01:31:03] Thank you, Jenny. So nice to meet you. Bye, Jenny. Thank you. Bye, Jenny. Thanks. We used to call it whippersnapping. Okay. We call it... I don't know. Reddit's telling me. I don't got it. Yeah. All right. Now, Sam says we have one last ball to pull.

[01:31:20] No, screw you, Sam. We have 10 more balls. Oh my God. Is Shannon going to January 6th this podcast? Oh no, this one's really hard and bad. Honestly, actually not that hard. Okay. We're going to do five or 10 more. Here's Thailand. We're not. We got all the great seasons.

[01:31:41] We're doing some... That's what the sequel's for. We'll come back later this summer. How about this? How about this? Do we need to do the mailbag tonight, Mike? Or do we know what we're doing next week? We know what we're doing next week. Okay. All right.

[01:31:52] So we will see the time of the mail... And we don't have any great mailbag ideas, right? We have a couple, but I could bring it up next week. Maybe we'll have some guests to maybe talk through. I think the only thing was...

[01:32:05] It definitely has been put up to eventually do daddies versus fathers versus zaddies with Bryce again. Okay. All right. But Bryce... You know, we'd love to have Bryce here every week, but I don't know if Bryce is available to be on this podcast every week.

[01:32:18] I will also say the mass survivor has been proposed as well, but that's going to take a boatload of production work. Haven't we done that before? Not me, but hasn't that been done? It's been done once before, so it'd be the sequel. But was it 10 years ago? No.

[01:32:31] It was a while ago though. Not 10 years. It was on Renap, which is not 10 years old. Okay. Eight minutes ago, Sam said, five minutes left on the clock for bingo balls, FYI. Then he said, to no avail, three minutes later, one more ball and then we wrap.

[01:32:45] And then four minutes later, last one. Oh, Sam. Sam, my boy. Sam, this is... Now you know, my friend, this is how you parent. Time is just a loose concept. You say, okay, five more minutes and then you're done. All right. Three more minutes. One more video.

[01:33:01] That's it. Okay, then? All right. Finish this one and then you turn it off. An enigma. Yeah, Sam has no control over me. I will beat him for hours on myself. Did you start another one? The only other one that I would suggest is Shannon.

[01:33:14] I think we'll mull over for the next couple of weeks your possible bracket ideas. But we did get an idea for a survivor confessionalist bracket. Sam says, do you want me to take you off the stream again, Shannon? No, please. All right. Just draw the balls.

[01:33:29] We'll inside baseball. I did. I drew Thailand minutes ago. Can you put it back? Can you put it back? No, Thailand. It's fine. The iconic defining moment of Thailand. Yeah. All right. How about the attack zone? Oh, I was going to say fake merch. Fake merch.

[01:33:49] I think, you know, unfortunately, it comes at the cost of Sheanne. It's not really representative like the hourglass of like, oh, it's a twisty season. But I do think the idea of someone getting the rug pulled out from under them

[01:34:01] will spell doom for the rest of the season. It's down to the round trip. Exactly. And so Sukjai is, you know, in the minority for the rest of the season. Yeah. Let's keep drawing balls. I think it's that the attack zone is a moment,

[01:34:14] but I think it's something we kind of remember more as like a meme. Then yeah, fake merch. I thought I had like a Mr. Mr. Freeze, like Brian confessional for the winner story, but I don't think it's where he flips off the camera. Wow. What?

[01:34:25] What a great, what a great portable. We'll speed through 39. I think we remember what defines 39 onto the next. Is that the I'm a hold on a second. You're the one that wants to keep going. But is that the defining moment of season 39? You know what?

[01:34:42] I think I know what is. What? And I think I think it's Janet's elimination. I think it's the idea of her having an idol and getting nullified. And like the person that was trying to do the best amidst some very complicated circumstance,

[01:34:59] ends up getting undone by the most record numbers of advantages in survivor history. I don't think so. I think it's the Kelly boot and everything that happened with that. I think that it transcended the show in really unfortunate ways that definitely defined the season.

[01:35:13] It's definitely what you remember. It literally what you remember. Yeah. I'm just trying to go for a second. It's not sometimes you have to be realistic about what things are. I try to move on quickly. OK, but it's not Janet's boot. Like nothing like what?

[01:35:29] That doesn't it doesn't. If that's what it is, that's what it is. Moving on to something so so great to and not at all controversial. And the bingo balls hate us because it's now Australian.

[01:35:42] Do the bingo balls hate us or are you bad at picking the bingo balls? It's not something you can be good or bad at. Rob, she's a baroness. Let's not question her skills. Australian Outback. So we're going to talk about someone a little less controversial.

[01:35:57] OK, I can't believe we got Thailand and Island of the Idols back to back. Keep the ball going on the next one to be. Wait, hold on. So are we not doing some of the Australian Outback? Let's do Australian Outback.

[01:36:09] OK, so you're saying it's Mike falling in the fire. It's Mike falling in the fire. But I think if I'm going to do what I did last time and at least throw out some other ones to at least talk about, even though they don't measure up to it,

[01:36:18] I would say that maybe the vote against Mitchell. Well, hold on. What about Colby taking Tina? Colby taking Tina is the one in my secondary column. I do think it's defining in the same way you might talk about like

[01:36:33] Michelle beats Aubrey, but I think Scoobin falling in the fire. I asked my mother-in-law on this one and she was like, when that guy fell in the fire. And I was like, yep, and then did nothing else ever again. But that also transcended the medium.

[01:36:44] This was in Australian Outback when people were watching. Like that is like a pop culture moment. If you were to ask most random people, name a moment from Survivor. Oh, like Billy on the street style. Yeah, I also think that, you know,

[01:36:55] Australian Outback is one of the low key toughest seasons out there. That's the one where they have to bargain for rice back before they did it in the new era. And then it gets washed away by a flood.

[01:37:03] And so if you talk about even though it's probably a bit more self-inflicted than what nature provided later on, it does sort of speak to like the unprecedented natural stuff that ended up occurring in Survivor, the Australian Outback.

[01:37:14] Yeah, I think that and Suhawk speech were the two most famous things that ever happened on Survivor for quite some time. I'm not sure if either if anything ever passed them. Yeah, I think that and the dead grandma lie.

[01:37:28] I like the yeah, I think that might be the big three. That's the thing. You say you want to do a Mount Rushmore. I think it's going to be like those three and Eric giving up immunity. That would be the point. Yeah. And they're all really well.

[01:37:37] Saves us a podcast. OK, I know. I won't be good. Well, what with me? No, I'm not. I'm saying it's being a little bit. Yeah, just to talk more about that as Shannon spins, Tina Colby taking Tina speaks to

[01:37:54] again, this is more so about how one person lost than one person won and speaks to also the the bad decisions that can happen sometimes in Survivor. Yeah, and that was that was as opposed to bad decisions outside Survivor, which we talk about.

[01:38:09] You know, when people take the wrong person all the time like that did define that. But in saying that, I do think there's another moment with someone taking someone to the end, which is more defining for me that eclipsed it. And did you draw that number?

[01:38:22] No, I didn't. I actually am so ahead on the bingo balls that I forgot that I'd already drawn one and put it in the drawer, drawn it and put it in the drawer and I'd miss it. And now my second ball. So I have 40 in the drawer.

[01:38:33] So that's the next one. Winners of war. And then I've drawn a second ball because I forgot. OK, so let's do those two. And then and then more. And then no. And then and then 15 more. We'll just finish the bingo ball. It was so few left.

[01:38:46] OK, so no, we're not doing all of them. OK, winners at war. Is it is it the loved ones visit? Like that's not just a based. But I do think that if you talk about like the celebration of survivor, yeah,

[01:39:00] the moment of all of those families coming out, it's actually a tough one for you. What about Tony and Sarah in the fire making? Yeah, what about what about Tony and the extortion? I would say I would say more so the Sophie boot than Tony and the extortion.

[01:39:17] I the Tony winning moment is this is extortion. I think him saying this is extortion. It was such a big I think that's like the most confessional in an episode. Someone has ever. Yeah, yeah. So that as a Tony fan for me, it's this is extortion.

[01:39:30] But I do think there were two that I want to give one. This is the one where I think same way as like Stephanie and Bobby John, a drink before war, all the winners, they're announcing two million dollars.

[01:39:39] Interesting to find the season, the hype that it was going to be all winners. And then this doesn't this is very memorable. Does it define the season? It doesn't define the winning journey, but worth a shot at him taking the idol off.

[01:39:52] The podium is a big I thought you were going to say Sandra's boot. Denise playing the two idols. Yeah, that I had. Yeah, Sandra's boot. I think I don't think that defines the season, though. It is memorable. Also, Sandra leaving the edge.

[01:40:04] I love but I don't think it's defining. I don't think it's the defining. So I would be between the toast extortion and loved ones, I think would be my top three. I think Tony was. Yeah, Tony and Sarah is a good moment for Tony and Sarah.

[01:40:20] I don't know if it's a good moment for winners at war, you know? Yeah, like if we were talking about the defining moment of like each couple, each important dynamic in the game, it would certainly be that. But I don't know if it defines the season.

[01:40:33] OK, Shannon, what do you think? I'm happy. I think I think a drink before war. That was my first instinct. And that's like the image in my mind of the season. All right, I can go with that. Yeah, I like that. All right.

[01:40:42] And this is it's very unprecedented, right? It's like, hey, we're all celebrating together. This is going to be something. The last one, Shannon. Wait, just we never got to either of my two remaining reds. And then I feel like I'll never have it solved for me.

[01:40:53] We're going to do a sequel. Let's do a sequel. I'll let you do one one read after this. OK, this is how you parent 42, 42. OK, two, I would say, oh, I'm between a couple right now. For me, it's either Marianne pulling out the idol at final travel council

[01:41:15] or the Omer blindside and Omer turned to Marianne. It was you. Yes, et cetera. Yeah. Um, what if I what if I draw the ball and the next one's really fun? No, you had a choice. Your choice.

[01:41:29] You could draw a ball or give us one of the red ones. Get traded off for what's in the box, the box, the box. This is your do or die. This is your do or die. Um, yeah, I had Marianne voting out Omer winner story.

[01:41:40] Omer story, I think, is really important. Other than that, I did have Marianne taking out the idol. I found a travel council. Where are the votes of Vahie travel council? I think it's really memorable, but not tied to the story.

[01:41:52] I think I'm playing their idols, but I don't think that defines the season. I think like the hourglass, the where are the votes? Travel council is more so representative of like the production aspects. But I think that defined 41 much more than 42.

[01:42:05] OK, all right, Shannon, what are you going to do with your selection? Sam's getting mad at us in the chat. He was like, this is really the last one. I decide them. I know. So we decided it was the Marianne Omer. It was you, Blindside.

[01:42:17] Is that what we decided? Yeah, I think so. OK, Rob's just done. Um, guys, what season do you think I have as red? No, that's too hot. Um, 44. I find 44 so hot because it's Tika. It's something to do with Tika, but he could have like a moment.

[01:42:31] They just like suddenly dominated the whole time. That's why the other red season I have is one world, because in the same way, it's like the one with Kim, the one. OK, don't try to backdoor a second red one. We'll talk about one of these.

[01:42:42] We'll talk about one. All right. 24 or 44. That's it. I'm 44, but the chat can let me know what they think. I have an idea for 44. And it's a Guatemala, right there. It's all divisible by 11.

[01:42:53] It doesn't feel I don't feel very confident in it, but I do have something in mind. But I'll I'll genuflect if either one of you do. Mm hmm. OK. Are 22 and 33 like this also, Mike? Could be. Let's find out. No, no. OK. All right.

[01:43:10] 33 is so just kicking around some 44 moments. Hard, right? So it has to me, I think it has to be a lot around Carolyn. So I have a few moments. I have the Carolyn either cold open or the last confessional.

[01:43:29] I have Carolyn playing the idol on Carson, which I think also represents the whole birdcage idol dynamic as well and could be your sort of Tika microcosm thing. I also had Carolyn on the journey, which is speaking towards the funny elements of the season.

[01:43:44] That's what the chat saying all those all the ones you just said. Oh, my God. Wait, am I am I the duke of the chat? I'm the chat of the chat. I think maybe Karen's opening confessional or just like what?

[01:44:00] Wait, did you just kind of feel like that's a good defining moment of the season? I mean, it quite literally opened the season. It was going to show how things were going to be a little bit different. I can't even really remember the confessional.

[01:44:13] And it's been like a year. She says he's like, OK, Carolyn, tell us about yourself. She's like, oh, what? Like I just like to start out and be like, I'm Carolyn. I'm a drug counselor. Yeah, it's not that good.

[01:44:29] It's not that it probably is that it probably is that. But it's just like compared to Eric giving up immunity, you know, it's the one with Tika. But what? But also like this, not every season is going to be like that. So we could have again.

[01:44:43] I mean, it could be jam jam consoling Carson to teach him to make fire. Yeah, that's interesting. What about when and this is a little bit of a strategy one, but when jam jam and Carson vote for Franny, only that the Danny Idol play of Franny.

[01:45:06] But it also the bigger part of it was the jam jam and Carson voting with Brandon and company knowing that the idol was going to get played. Well, that's the biggest example of Tika strategic dominance in like one move.

[01:45:22] Yeah, but like it doesn't feel like it defines the season. What about the scene? Because also remember, this is the season that put like nine idols into the game, three of them being fake.

[01:45:31] What about the scene right before the merge when Josh is like, hey, jam jam, I had this side. I was like, Josh, did you use the beats from Tremel? It could speak to because I think Carolyn was there as well to take a base scene.

[01:45:41] Do we say that Carolyn Red X? The Carolyn Red X could be I feel like if there was like a big payoff for that. I mean, oh yeah, because there's a reveal, right? They find the red X and then Karen's like, oh, it was me.

[01:45:51] I was the one who did it. I think all the Carolyn moments that have been given. I think Carolyn at the sanctuary is the most memorable one. And I think it represents her character where again, she is sort of being pushed aside

[01:46:05] why these other dominating personalities and then she'll get the last laugh by getting rid of both sort of sets up that Tika is unrestrained. Tika is underestimated. And then there they go. All right, Carolyn at the sanctuary. All right, Shannon, great job with your bingo balls.

[01:46:19] OK, so many more. All right, you did your job. Look at them. We alluded to things we'll never get to 14 is the car deal. We'll do a sequel. Yeah, what else? What else? Obvious. All right. Next week we have something very special planned.

[01:46:36] Mike, do you want to set this up? Yes. So next week it has been announced that the one, the only lanky blanky himself, Drew Basile is going to be crossing networks here and appearing on a little show by the name of Jeopardy.

[01:46:51] He will be on, I believe, June 19th, did he say or June 20th? And so we thought, especially while Rob is away, the mice will play trivia. That is as we are going to be doing survivor Jeopardy.

[01:47:07] OK, and then can you give us any of the particulars about who's playing? Yes. So we're going to be playing a game of Jeopardy, which I know Shannon needs to certainly study up on in the interim. We are going to be.

[01:47:20] You need to study on the study up on the rules of Jeopardy. Shannon, I've never watched Jeopardy. What? I don't think we have Jeopardy. We might have to explain a lot about Jeopardy to me when Drew Barry was doing very well,

[01:47:35] and I was like, I'm so excited for you guys. What is that? I mean, I understand. I know what Jeopardy is. This is a game that Shannon doesn't know. But it is Jeopardy. Yeah. So we're going to be playing Jeopardy, which is basically a trivia competition where the

[01:47:54] answers are in the form of a question. And I understand what you're saying. It would be like Wu taking Tony to the end. What is the defining moment of season 28? OK, that could work. That could work for a few more, maybe. Yeah.

[01:48:10] Or maybe I think it's the defining moment. So who's playing you and Shannon and Omer? And Omer Zahir. I don't want to play the five and two against Mike. He comes in every week so arrogant. He has every right to be. Wouldn't you hate that?

[01:48:23] Well, what I will say, though, is that as much as I'm kind of throwing my bingo balls around the past few weeks, I think Omer might trounce me. So I'm excited to have him curb stomp me next week. And you mentioned her.

[01:48:38] Were I also, I believe, going to have Juveria on to host as well. She will be stepping behind a very different podium to have us slugs talk. Make her the permanent host, you cowards. So that is going to be.

[01:48:51] Or I'm like, yeah, I think you can actually control that. But please don't fire us. So we are going to have people behind the scenes working on this board. I think Omer is assembling a team to do it. He has no involvement in it.

[01:49:06] But of course, if you have trust of stuff, I know I think he's above. He's competitive enough that I know he would not like desanctify the possibility of cheating. But let's note different day, different time because of the Juneteenth holiday. We are going to be off.

[01:49:21] So we're actually going to be doing it on Tuesday, the 18th at 830 p.m. Eastern Time, 530 p.m. Pacific. But it'll be this podcast myself, Shannon, Omer, Juveria.

[01:49:33] Last thing I am going to plug is that we have some ideas that we set up at the top of this podcast series where we're going to try to do a think tank down the line.

[01:49:41] We're going to try to do a wand off for Josh Wiggler, who's getting into the new era. We need those things. We can't do those things without things being said to us.

[01:49:49] So if you email survivor at Rob has a website dot com, put in the title think tank idea or wand off song. Just start sending them in. Doesn't you know, we'll get to that stuff eventually. We will basically do them when we have enough stuff to work with.

[01:50:04] But the best time to start is now. OK. All right. Great job. And then, of course, check out Mike Bloom every day on the wish list. And then also Mike's a big part of what's been going on over on.

[01:50:16] We know scripted TV, the brand new part of our HAP. We brought the scripted TV podcasting home, Mike. Yes, arguably one of the defining moments of the past week of our HAP is scripted TV is now restarted back where it once began.

[01:50:36] The child is coming home from college and living with its parents. But we're retooling and coming up with a bunch of new shows. One of them is called TV for Real, where reality and scripted TV collided as myself and Sasha Joseph.

[01:50:49] Every Wednesday, we are going to be talking with a person from reality TV about scripted TV. What did they grow up with? What are some of their favorite shows? What's their favorite streaming service, etc.?

[01:51:00] And of course, Robby, you always got to be the one to smash the bottle on the proverbial boats of these podcasts. We were so excited to have you on. Check it out on YouTube on the We Know Scripted TV YouTube page.

[01:51:13] And I will tease once again that Rob goes pretty deep into a certain subject that I would imagine he has never talked about before in any of the interviews he's done. All right.

[01:51:26] So other than that, at a Mike Bloom type, I will also plug last week because I didn't Robbins website.com slash scripted to subscribe. Yeah. Last thing I will plug. I didn't talk about it last week, but since it's still pride, there was a brand steel

[01:51:39] done of drag race last week. That was really great. It was a really, really great time. People delivered, including last week's guest, Bryce. If you want to see him make about three dozen costume changes, it is to die for. Go check it out on the YouTube page. Okay.

[01:51:53] All right. Great job again tonight. Mike, Shannon, what's coming up for you? I was on Crime Scene. That was a really fascinating documentary about something that was really messed up that if you're a fan of reality TV, I recommend you watch.

[01:52:07] And it was a great conversation with Sarah and Mari. And then as we mentioned, that was on the Amazon wishlist talking about Robb with Mike. And then I'm doing this and I'm looking at my spreadsheet.

[01:52:19] We covered so many bad seasons, like just a lot of atrocious, pretty much at the bottom of the barrel. Why did the bingo ball machine go in that direction? There were stinky balls this time around. Yeah. It was weird. Sam rigged it so it would end earlier.

[01:52:34] I'm glad that that's not how I choose my watch list. Like, oh, that would be terrible. But this was really fun. You know? Was it fun? Yeah. Shout out to Jenny. Yeah. Shout out to Jenny also. This game is really fun. What are you going to do next?

[01:52:49] Go live on Instagram and do the rest of the iconic moments? Well, I don't know if it'll be filmed, but I will be here pulling balls and things like that. Do them on Cameo tonight. Yeah. I have a memo.

[01:53:00] I don't know if memo is still a thing, but I'll pull a ball and talk about the defining moment. I have a spreadsheet. I have the balls. I have the ingredients for that to be done.

[01:53:08] Maybe every week we pull a ball that hasn't been pulled, and we talk about that moment going forward on the Summer of Survivor. Mike? Wow. I said no, think that's a good idea. Why? People want to know about the balls.

[01:53:23] Also, I've been wearing this robe shirt the whole time and my hair covers it. Yes. I got this. Thank you, Derek, for sending this all the way to Australia. I love it. Aw. It looks great on you. All right. Thank you.

[01:53:33] Thank you all so much for watching this one. Summer of Survivor rolling on. Also, we're working on some Big Brother off-season podcasting as well, hoping to get something announced maybe as soon as next week for that.

[01:53:49] I know a lot of people have been asking, so be on the lookout for that as we get you warmed up for Survivor all here on RHAP. We love to read your comments. Please don't be shy and tell us what you're thinking. Take care, everybody.

[01:54:04] Have a good one. Bye.