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[00:02:30] Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Cisterino back here for feedback Friday here talking with
[00:02:36] our patrons. Once again, I just want to say I thought we had such a great call with the patrons
[00:02:43] last Friday. I've been so happy with how these Friday calls have gone. So excited to get into it.
[00:02:49] Again, this has been a week of survivor where I just feel like that I keep thinking of like more
[00:02:55] things I want to talk about here about where we are in the state of this survivor game.
[00:03:01] I think it's really interesting for all that we're complaining about. Mergitory,
[00:03:05] a lot of different ways that it could go from here. So I'm excited to get into it with everybody
[00:03:10] here today. So we got a bunch of people on hold already. So I hope you're as excited as I am.
[00:03:18] Let's say hello to... All right, let me go with somebody that I don't know if I've talked to
[00:03:24] before. Okay? I see Primo is backstage. Primo! Hey Rob, what's up? What's happening? Primo,
[00:03:33] is this first time? This is my first time. I am a new subscriber to Patreon. Welcome! We love to see
[00:03:40] it. Yes. Tune into my first feedback show last week and I was like, I want to get on this action.
[00:03:48] Good. You're here. Okay, where are you calling from? I'm calling from Fort Lee,
[00:03:52] New Jersey right now. Did you have an earthquake? Oh my God, yes. Yes. It was...
[00:03:59] Yeah, totally fine. I mean, I've experienced larger earthquakes in my life. I grew in Hawaii so
[00:04:07] you'd get them every now and then and I think this one was only about 4.7.
[00:04:13] Do you feel it but not too concerning? Yes. Okay. All right, Primo, what do you want to talk about?
[00:04:18] Oh my gosh, I have to just talk about how much I am obsessed with Venus. Venus is so popular.
[00:04:25] I mean, it's really... I'm trying to think of a survivor that's really come along and just had
[00:04:31] this kind of popularity. I wonder, like Caroline certainly, but I don't know if people were like
[00:04:38] obsessed with Caroline. It's different. The energy is really, really different. What is she doing?
[00:04:43] Help me understand it because I like Venus but I wish Venus isn't living rent-free in my
[00:04:49] mind. No, well it's really interesting because a lot of my female friends don't like Venus. I think
[00:04:55] they initially just catch on to this energy of it being like a mean girl vibe and I think in her
[00:05:01] pre-season she called out Regina George which I'm going to stand by too. I think that's pretty
[00:05:05] fierce but I don't think she's like a mean girl. Can she be a mean girl if she's by herself?
[00:05:09] Like I feel like how could she be a mean girl when she has no friends? Well, I'm saying it
[00:05:14] and I can tell she's really a girl's girl. I mean, she really wants to keep the women strong.
[00:05:20] Listening to her pre-season, she is coming from a place where women often don't have that much
[00:05:28] power so she recognizes the misogyny or any kind of patriarchal kind of things. That's probably
[00:05:35] a really sensitive spot for her, I believe. So I feel like she's a really strong advocate
[00:05:39] for women quite honestly. So it's just interesting to see all of the drama surrounding her right now.
[00:05:45] So that's where women, like people are able to pick up on the fact she's there for the women.
[00:05:52] It's bigger than the game and that's, and people are picking up on that.
[00:05:56] Yeah so it's interesting seeing how the people in the game respond to it. Like I especially
[00:06:02] loved her conversation that she had with Soda because you really do kind of like
[00:06:08] see that dynamic shift when they did have such a strong relationship at the start and then once
[00:06:13] people started to paint her in this narrative, they just completely iced her out. And it's so
[00:06:18] hard to play when you're on the bottom like that where anything that you say is just
[00:06:23] completely silenced or just completely ignored. I'm just rooting so hard for her. I really
[00:06:29] just want her to outlast the rest of the Nami tribe but it's a really hard path for her.
[00:06:33] I don't know if it's going to happen. I could see a path and I hope it's not coming across
[00:06:40] like as overly critical because I can see a path where she can get to the end but I don't see a
[00:06:45] path for her to win this game based off of what's happened so far. I agree, I agree.
[00:06:50] But she's had an interesting story where it feels like that her origin story in the season
[00:06:54] was back in the first episode they called her and you know,
[00:06:59] Tevin had said like it wasn't meant as an insult but they called her a princess
[00:07:03] really the princess and she really did not take that kindly. She didn't like that.
[00:07:09] Yeah, exactly, exactly. And it kind of comes to just kind of like people's
[00:07:14] outwards perceptions of somebody who's just beautiful. And I just kind of like
[00:07:21] that resonates with me in some degree and I feel like I know a lot of other people.
[00:07:26] It's just part of my career. I work with a lot of really beautiful women and
[00:07:29] you know, a lot of the time people have these perceptions of people who
[00:07:32] just are gorgeous and they just feel like their life is so easy for them but
[00:07:37] understanding Venus' backstory just kind of makes me a little bit more aware that she's
[00:07:42] so much more than that, so much more dimensional than that. So it's just like,
[00:07:46] it's just a shame that like people aren't picking up on that. I really wish she was,
[00:07:49] I really wish she had more like support amongst her tribe but I'm hoping it changes.
[00:07:54] Are you a big brother watcher? No, I'm not a big brother watcher. I only watched just
[00:08:00] last season because Sarri was on it. Yes. Well, I'm interested to know from a big brother watcher
[00:08:06] who might be out there in terms of where Taylor in Big Brother 24 was.
[00:08:12] Yeah, but in her journey and this is like definitely like different in some levels where
[00:08:20] Taylor, you know, her story as a black person and I know that Venus is of Iranian descent.
[00:08:31] Yeah, so but I'm over my, out over my skis in terms of what I'm qualified to talk about
[00:08:39] but Taylor was somebody who was very, was not treated well by the people in that big brother
[00:08:48] house and like also stunning person. You know, I don't know if that plays a factor at all in how
[00:08:59] you know people are treated by others and sort of like if they, I don't know but I'm interested
[00:09:05] to, I think there's an interesting comparison to be made. Okay, I'm very curious about that.
[00:09:10] It just kind of reminds me a lot of just like people's like unconscious bias,
[00:09:15] you know what I mean? And I just, I feel like she's clearly a very, very intelligent person.
[00:09:22] Like we get it through the confessionals and I feel like being a viewer and like hearing her
[00:09:28] speak to us directly about how she's perceiving everything and like she's clocking everything.
[00:09:32] She understands how she's being perceived so there is a really heightened sense of awareness
[00:09:36] with her. So I'm, I'm, I really just wanted her to persevere and get through. Who else am I
[00:09:43] excited about? I really, really loving Maria. Oh, actually, I want to talk about Ben. I love Ben.
[00:09:51] I really love Ben. Have you guys, has anyone mentioned how great his Instagram is by the way?
[00:09:56] What is he doing on Instagram? I saw that Terry Deets flew him to the Ron Clark Academy the
[00:10:00] other day. I'm sorry? I saw that Terry Deets is a pilot and flew him to the Ron Clark Academy
[00:10:07] the other day. I saw that. I saw Dee was on board as well. What are the chances? I don't know.
[00:10:14] But I'm really feeling, I mean Ben has just been such a lovable character throughout the show.
[00:10:19] I think he really shined for me the moment he started to speak to Bonu at that journey.
[00:10:25] But his persona, not even his persona, just who he is and what I'm seeing on his Instagram,
[00:10:30] I'm loving just like his doodles. I think he's just kind of like utilizing that really well.
[00:10:37] Yeah, I haven't seen that. I've seen his tweets. Yeah. And he just seems like he is a really good
[00:10:43] heart. Again, I don't see him as a winner in the game, but he just seems like a person who's
[00:10:49] like a really great guy. Yeah, right. I think I feel like I have blinders on because I'm
[00:10:57] rooting so hard for Venus and it's really hard for me to pick out who the other winners are.
[00:11:02] But people who are giving me star power is it's Ben, it's Maria, it's Charlie. Q, it's a hard path
[00:11:11] for me to see going to the end. Hunter, I'm also personally not really loving as much quite
[00:11:17] honestly. Hunter, he seems like, I'm sorry, what was easy that his path seems easy?
[00:11:26] His arc just seems very easy. It just kind of seems like the story is just everything works
[00:11:30] out perfectly for him. Yeah. And I want more, I want a little bit more juice from him.
[00:11:35] I get that. I really feel like that. I do think that he's probably also, if I was going to do
[00:11:39] like winner picks today, I think I would probably go Hunter number one, especially with an idol
[00:11:44] and part of this alliance. But he was also my winner pick before the season started with
[00:11:48] Nicole. Nicole's winner pick too. So yeah, I think that Hunter, I feel like as a character
[00:11:56] has not given a lot. I mean, we know that he didn't like the songs that he loves the,
[00:12:02] he loves the puzzles, he loves the challenges, he builds them at his house. But I don't feel
[00:12:07] like that we've really learned a ton about his character. Yeah. I was actually talking to my
[00:12:12] friends about this too. It's really interesting to see where are the really strong friendships
[00:12:19] developing? Because everybody's very cagey and very kind of fake with each other right now. It's
[00:12:24] all too nice, but we're not really seeing a really big relationships develop except between
[00:12:30] maybe Charlie and Ben. That to me is like the strongest relationship that I'm seeing that exists
[00:12:34] right now from like a personal level, like a deeper level. But in previous seasons with
[00:12:40] like Carolyn and Jam Jam and Carson. And then we've also seen like Dee and Julie,
[00:12:46] like we like there needs to be deeper relationships. This is a good point. I think that this is
[00:12:51] something that's all again a failure of the three tribe format of the game doesn't start
[00:12:56] until you go to tribal council. And with the three tribe format, it's really one tribe
[00:13:00] is like monopolizing all the tribal councils. And then the other two tribes that there's
[00:13:04] almost always like there's always almost one disaster tribe. And there's almost
[00:13:08] always one tribe that hasn't gone to a tribal council when we get to the merge. So
[00:13:13] it would if you have two tribes, that's not going to happen. Right? It's just there's more
[00:13:17] room to play with. And they're just kind of like leaning into the illusion of everything
[00:13:22] being fine. Just easier for everyone to maneuver. So it just feels really safe,
[00:13:26] which is why I also appreciate someone like being us so much because when you're really
[00:13:30] at the bottom, you just are like fighting tooth and nail to kind of get anything that's
[00:13:34] going to stick to the wall. I really wanted Charlie to, I really wanted that Charlie thing
[00:13:39] to like get some traction. But also I think you guys mentioned in the know it all so that
[00:13:42] Charlie is kind of the only person that they can work with, especially men. Yeah.
[00:13:46] I think I've been working with the girls. I think he's really locked in with Hunter.
[00:13:51] Yeah. I think Charlie is an asset. All right. Well, Primo, let me get some more calls
[00:13:55] because we got a ton of people backstage, but great to talk to you. Thanks for coming
[00:13:58] on board and yeah, looking forward to chatting again. Okay. Yeah. I'm tuning in next time.
[00:14:04] Okay. All right. Okay. Let's say hello to let me pick up live who's backstage. I live.
[00:14:11] Wow. How are you? Oh my God, I'm doing so well. It's Friday. So I'm stoked.
[00:14:17] Friday to you live. What's happening? Thank you. I'm just on lunch from work and then
[00:14:25] yeah, we're just thinking about alliances. I love the know it alls and the
[00:14:30] the post show. And so I've been very good shows this week with heavy and then
[00:14:35] with Steven yesterday too. Oh yes. And I'm an heavy stand. The house down. Yeah, exactly.
[00:14:43] So I was very excited. Yeah. Evie is just a really great person to talk about
[00:14:47] show. Evie loves survivor loves the history of the show as a real appreciation for it.
[00:14:55] And you know, there's some people that they come on the show and they love it like they love them
[00:15:00] being on survivor. You know, they love the attention. They love them being on survivor.
[00:15:04] Like Evie legitimately is a fan loves survivor loves to talk about it. And those are my
[00:15:10] favorite people to have on the podcast. Oh, absolutely. And it's the best people to
[00:15:15] listen to definitely. So I love getting in the weeds with all that stuff. Yeah.
[00:15:20] Okay. So you're thinking about alliances live? Yeah, because you said something really
[00:15:25] interesting and correct. I'm going to be embarrassed now if I'm getting it wrong. But
[00:15:30] it was saying that it's actually better for Venus for Charlie to stay. Yeah. And that
[00:15:38] but the farthest Venus could get is probably with Charlie and Maria. Yeah. And I was just
[00:15:44] thinking about yeah, we have so many people who haven't really gotten a mix and mingle too much
[00:15:49] and I was just thinking about there are so many people that I want to like put together
[00:15:53] like alliance ships, like OTPs. I was wondering if you had any others of like potential people
[00:16:00] that would be great to see what Kenzie is going to do. And you know, Kenzie doesn't realize
[00:16:05] that she's not in this plus one alliance. Like I feel like that for her, she's somebody who
[00:16:11] I think would be great if you know, Charlie and Maria that that's really the beauty of
[00:16:16] like this type of plus one alliance. And I've been pretty impressed with it where that the idea of it
[00:16:21] is really great. And we don't really get this on survivor of sort of like a big secret six person
[00:16:26] alliance. It's much more of a big brother thing. I don't think we've really had this in the post
[00:16:30] merge where there's an alliance that nobody knows exists because these people did not play
[00:16:36] together. It's almost like you would never see this coming. Everybody's thinking about
[00:16:39] triblines and Siga and Nami and who has the numbers. But really this alliance could do a lot
[00:16:45] of damage. And the best strength of it is that these people that are not in it, Soda,
[00:16:51] Charlie and Kenzie, they don't know it exists. But the key to it all is Maria who's in it,
[00:16:58] but doesn't really like it. And she's the person that could go back. And if she goes and
[00:17:02] says, Hey, Venus, Hey, Liz, Hey, Soda, Hey, Kenzie, Hey, Charlie, you know,
[00:17:08] Hey, you know, Tiffany's in it. But like, Hey, we got to do something. We got to, you know, flip on
[00:17:15] this group. Like that could be super exciting if it happens. But we've got this split tribal
[00:17:21] council, which I don't like that's coming up this next week. And I think it'd be fine
[00:17:26] if we did it once in a while. But you know, but we know it we know what's happening. And
[00:17:31] I kind of feel like that this is like almost, it's almost like the traders where that this alliance
[00:17:36] of these, these traders, they know each other and they could take out the other numbers and
[00:17:40] the other people are like, Hey, what happened? Like, Oh, who did this? What? How did this? Like,
[00:17:45] why didn't our numbers stick? No, absolutely. And that's so, that's so great that you
[00:17:53] pointed out it is like a secret weapon because literally no one has worked together. So it's
[00:17:57] it's so unexpected. It's not even like, Oh, you two don't look like you'd work together.
[00:18:01] It's literally like there's been no time. So when did this happen? You know what I just started
[00:18:06] thinking about also is weren't the teams the team split was kind of the, you know, all the main
[00:18:13] guys of the of the plus one alliance and the other one. And I'm just like, I want them so bad
[00:18:19] to work together. It would be really cool. And again, Maria was interestingly the one person
[00:18:24] like from that alliance who wasn't in that group, right? Where Tiffany was on the sideline, but then
[00:18:30] you had the, you had Tim, you had Tevin and Hunter and then also Q were all on the same team
[00:18:37] together. And Maria, the one person who's kind of that could be the person that defects
[00:18:44] from that alliance was the one person that wasn't in with that group. So I think it makes it even
[00:18:48] more likely that she could flip away from it, but it would be really cool if in like another
[00:18:53] season there were players that you wouldn't even suspect. We're like, this was kind of like,
[00:18:57] okay, we're all the challenge beasts. We're going to stick together. Imagine if it was just like
[00:19:01] people that had nothing in common that came together and we're doing this, the other side
[00:19:05] would never see it coming. Like the way that it is like Venus kind of like is able to suss out
[00:19:10] like, Hey, all these people they have to go like she doesn't even know that they have an
[00:19:14] alliance together, but she's right. Yeah. No, she's totally right. That would be great
[00:19:21] for Venus. Oh yeah, especially if she can get in with Marina and Maria, sorry. And then her and
[00:19:26] Charlie can be like Maria's children and doing her bidding or whatever.
[00:19:35] But so much is just going to be the again, the luck of the draw and how this group of
[00:19:41] six ends up going because I think that you know, I think that this, the plus ones could be able
[00:19:47] to do some damage and pick off two people that aren't in that. And then all of a sudden,
[00:19:52] the plus ones could if they get through this unscathed, they'll have six. The others will have four.
[00:19:58] Maria is going to have to flip away from it. And God forbid Charlie goes out this week. It's
[00:20:03] really going to be tough for Maria to do something else. Oh, I know. Oh yeah. I'm hoping
[00:20:09] that we get a good draw. I just why did they even do they just did the split? Why
[00:20:15] and split back to back? Well, that they love keeping everybody on their toes. And you know,
[00:20:21] Jeff, I think really seems to love the idea of like he talked about it on the on Firepod
[00:20:26] guest this week about they love the rock draw. They love that your game hangs in the balance.
[00:20:31] Anything can happen with the rock draw. It's crazy. So they love that.
[00:20:36] Yeah. Go to school yard pick. Come on. They really don't like school yard picks
[00:20:42] that they have not done one in quite some time. So I don't know.
[00:20:46] You know what? There's kind of a lot of parallels with this season of drag race as well.
[00:20:50] Yeah. Because they're also doing random picks or like production assigned picks for everything
[00:20:55] where they used to do everything school yard. And it's really kind of messing with the numbers
[00:21:00] a little bit. And there's someone named Q also on drag race. I don't know if you've heard
[00:21:03] that. I did hear that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, ideally it would be best if you could sort of
[00:21:08] do it, you know, go back and forth where then sometimes you because the problem with the school
[00:21:12] yard pick is ever if everybody knows it's coming, it sort of like takes a little bit of the intrigue
[00:21:17] away because everybody's planning for it. But if you have it some of the times, I think you
[00:21:22] could really get a lot out of it. Yeah. Okay. Well, Liv, let me get to some more calls.
[00:21:29] But yeah, great to chat with you again. Okay. Yes. Great chatting with you too.
[00:21:33] Have a great Friday and weekend. Are you too? Liv, take care. Bye. Take care.
[00:21:37] All right. Let's go. Let me pick up. Let me say hello to Dax who's standing by.
[00:21:45] Dax, how are you? Good. How are you doing, Rob? Doing very well. What's new?
[00:21:51] Nothing much. I'm enjoying the season like where we are now. Last couple of episodes have been
[00:21:56] great. Yeah. If this isn't, we're in it. You know, anything can happen.
[00:22:00] We're in it. I feel bad for everybody who wanted to bail so soon to get there.
[00:22:05] Yeah. Look, you know, sometimes you got to get it's a little bit of a slog and, you know,
[00:22:10] what are you going to do? But you have these weeks in Survivor. But I think that this is like,
[00:22:14] this game is wide open right now. It may not, I don't know how long it will be wide open.
[00:22:19] But for right now, like there's a lot of possibilities and that's where it's the
[00:22:22] most fun to do the podcast. Yeah, I agree. And I felt, I kind of felt like that early
[00:22:27] on too. I was like, let's just wait and see where it goes because everything's setting up and
[00:22:31] there's so much, especially on the Yellow Tribe. There's so much potential to break away. So
[00:22:40] I was pretty psyched. I wanted to talk a little bit about Venus because I have a take on it. And
[00:22:45] I don't know if you've talked about it. I haven't heard to know it all yet. So I don't know if
[00:22:49] this has come up yet, but I love the way Venus is playing. I feel like I know why we
[00:22:54] like the way she's playing is because I feel like she's playing like a returning player
[00:22:59] where it's all business. And I feel like in a returning player season that would work.
[00:23:04] I think that the reason why she's not doing well is because she's not meeting
[00:23:09] the people that she's playing with, where they're playing. So I feel like-
[00:23:13] Well, that's interesting just to talk to your first point. That's interesting in that.
[00:23:18] You know, I feel like that everybody, especially like, you know, with Nami and
[00:23:24] a lot of the people that are out there, you know, it's a lot very much for them
[00:23:27] about the experience. And I'm sure to some degree, for Venus, it's about the experience too.
[00:23:32] But Venus, I think is a little bit more like, all right, well, that's what are we doing here?
[00:23:37] Let's play. Let's play the game. Yeah. I don't care about Nessus as much. And again,
[00:23:44] this is just my personal read on it that she doesn't care as much about, you know,
[00:23:48] the fish or that going crab for crabs. And I read the interview which Venus did not like
[00:23:55] that Hunter did with Dalton Ross. And, you know, I feel like that, you know,
[00:24:00] Tevin and Hunter, I think that really like enjoyed the day to day experience. And I'm
[00:24:05] surprised that Venus hasn't bonded more with Liz, who does not seem like that she has enjoyed
[00:24:10] the experience at all. And for the guys and maybe for Soda, I think that they're sort of
[00:24:16] like enjoying the camp life a little bit more. Venus, I think may enjoy the game a little
[00:24:22] bit more and was probably a little overly eager to play once she got to the merge.
[00:24:27] And I think that that's kind of an astute observation to say that she's a little bit
[00:24:31] like a returning player in that way. Yeah. And I feel like if she would meet the players
[00:24:37] on her tribe, and maybe a little softer approach instead of saying, this is what we have to do
[00:24:43] and trying to dictate the vote, maybe if she comes up and says, well, that's really weird.
[00:24:48] They were reluctant to give you a name. And after two hours, they finally gave you a name.
[00:24:52] So is that what you want to do and kind of make it make those people think
[00:24:56] that is their decision that they're going to be the ones that that decided that they
[00:25:00] were going to go after Charlie? Well, it depends what you want, Docs. And ironically,
[00:25:04] we had Bono in this season who wanted not to win a million dollars, but to win a million hearts.
[00:25:11] Yeah. How close did he get? He probably did neither. But Venus,
[00:25:16] you know, a man, maybe not wise, once asked the question of would you rather
[00:25:25] win and be hated or lose and be loved? And maybe Venus has unlocked the losing be love.
[00:25:33] Yeah. She's probably got the million hearts that Bono was looking for, for sure.
[00:25:38] Yeah. I think somebody got a million hearts this season. I don't think it was Bono.
[00:25:43] I think it was the person who came to play hard and make waves
[00:25:51] doesn't really care how it's being perceived. Yeah. And I feel like she might be
[00:25:58] pretty much a lock for returning season as well. Season 50.
[00:26:02] With the way she's tweeting, maybe you could get on the wrong side of production. I don't know.
[00:26:09] Like, if I was going to come in and try to like coach her for a returning season, maybe it's like,
[00:26:15] hey, like if you if you pissed them off enough on Twitter, they probably won't have you back.
[00:26:21] You think maybe Q can coach her on that? I don't know. I don't know how Q is
[00:26:27] coaching on social media. But she is like going a little bit. She's like,
[00:26:30] I feel like she's a little bit like in the way she's playing the game. I think it's also
[00:26:34] how she's playing social media. But it's working on social media. I just feel like that the powers
[00:26:39] that be might feel like it's a little a little too much. You don't want to you don't want to get on
[00:26:45] the wrong side of like it's one thing to get on the wrong side of the players, but you know, if
[00:26:49] you get on the wrong side of the production, that can be a tough hurdle to come back from.
[00:26:54] 100 percent. And I didn't think of that because I don't really follow social media that much.
[00:26:58] I'm just like purely fixed on that 90 minutes to two hours that we get from CBS every week.
[00:27:03] That's a good way to do it. Can I ask you as well? Are you are you like after a couple days,
[00:27:10] are you still high on Q? I'm so I don't think that Q is going to win the game. I don't want to
[00:27:16] like I don't want to get it twisted. But I do feel like that Q came in and has really like made
[00:27:23] a name for himself like at the merge. And I think that that's pretty remarkable from where
[00:27:27] they were to come in and to really be like calling the shots and running things like
[00:27:32] it's probably not going to work. But I like that he's got this plan in place.
[00:27:37] And so I think that he's bought himself a couple of weeks and maybe he gets picked off if you know,
[00:27:43] he's in the wrong tribe draw. But like I think that he's in a pretty secure spot right now.
[00:27:50] Yeah, that's that's a good point because he was probably at a good meat shield for Tiffany,
[00:27:56] which is why she might have sided with them if they went back.
[00:28:00] But he's kind of got like the Boston Rob thing going where I think that if maybe it's
[00:28:07] like more of like a Boston Rob dealer, no deal Island thing going where it's like,
[00:28:10] okay, he's got his numbers and people are definitely going to be afraid to like throw
[00:28:13] his name out there. But eventually, I think that people will say he's a threat and he has to go.
[00:28:19] But I do feel like that he's bought himself. He's pretty well insulated, I feel like.
[00:28:24] Well, I agree with you. And actually, so I'm on board. I was ready to kind of debate his game
[00:28:30] with you. But actually, I like that approach because I do feel like coming in, he would have been a
[00:28:36] merge boot type candidate. But but I do agree that I think he's bought himself some time.
[00:28:40] I just think he plays a little bit too rough where where he doesn't really, I mean,
[00:28:45] maybe he does we don't see everything, but it doesn't feel like he's considering his allies,
[00:28:50] you know, thoughts. It's kind of like we're going to do my thing.
[00:28:53] Look, Q is going to be vulnerable at some point. I think when the numbers get down to it. But
[00:28:58] right now with 12 people in the game, like where's the shot coming from? Because I like
[00:29:04] that I think there's a lot of people that are not writing Q's name down right now. I don't
[00:29:07] think Hunter, Tevin, Kenzie, Tiffany, Tim. Okay, that's that's that's plus himself and
[00:29:17] himself. That's 12. I don't think we're going to vote for him. So maybe if every other person in
[00:29:24] the game can get on board and then not and not let them know, it's just it would be a hell of a
[00:29:29] blindside if they were able to do it at this point. And if they get a couple more people
[00:29:33] out, okay, well now all of a sudden they have if they have those six still and then we get down
[00:29:39] and then there's like who's left that's going to vote against him. So until the point where
[00:29:44] we see that a Hunter and Tevin are thinking about coming after Q, like I think that he's
[00:29:51] he's okay right now. Maybe Kenzie ends up getting turned around on Q and feels like that
[00:29:56] he's a threat and wants to go after him. But I think for the immediate couple of weeks,
[00:30:01] like I think he's going to be okay. And that's that's where like what they're doing next week,
[00:30:06] if he gets split with the wrong people, he set himself up like you said for a couple of weeks,
[00:30:11] but he could also be the next one out. Yeah, he could may well win the immunity out of like
[00:30:15] a group of six also. But I think he'd have to be with say, like I don't like he'd have to
[00:30:22] be with maybe Maria Liz, I guess Maria Liz, Venus and I don't know Charlie like he'd have to have
[00:30:32] like a horrible like James Jones-esque draw. But we saw it two days ago so we might see it again
[00:30:41] next week where it's just an unbelievable draw. Yeah, if it's really lopsided draw. So that's
[00:30:46] it's possible. But I feel like that for right now, I think Q is you know, any of them could go home in
[00:30:53] the wrong draw. So I think that Q is actually in one of the better spots.
[00:30:57] Right. And do you think the producers should have given Hunter the gray rock just to make
[00:31:01] things fair for everybody else? Would you have like argued with that?
[00:31:07] Look, I don't think the rock draws are rigged like that. So yeah, it would have been-
[00:31:11] No, but would you have argued if they just didn't rig it?
[00:31:13] I said this on the note all that Hunter in his interview said like, hey, like people think it's
[00:31:18] like I have some big advantage because I have all the puzzles. Like I don't do them all the time.
[00:31:24] It's like, you build them. Yeah. Like what? Like, yeah, okay, I get it. He's like,
[00:31:29] I only take them out like once or twice a year for the kids and it's like,
[00:31:33] I don't really do anything with them. It's like, but yeah, seems like you know
[00:31:38] what they can do about the puzzles. Okay. All right, Docs. All right, thanks, Bob.
[00:31:44] Great to catch up. Okay. Yep. Okay. Appreciate all the news AF links always.
[00:31:49] Oh yeah. Yep. Definitely got some good ones already for next week.
[00:31:51] Okay. We'll be on Tuesday. I'm flying in. I'm going up to Toronto this weekend
[00:31:58] to go to a friend's wedding, but I'm gonna be coming back Tuesday morning and then jumping
[00:32:04] on news AF. So I will shoot. Maybe I'll have some eclipse stories. Oh yeah. Okay. All right,
[00:32:10] Docs. Talk to you later. Okay. Okay. All right. Let's say hello to Judy. Judy, how are you?
[00:32:19] Good, Rob. How you doing? Doing well. What's new? Not much. Shave my head. Nice. Pretty exciting.
[00:32:26] Okay. Yeah. So what's happening? Well, I was hearing on the after show with Evie about your theory of the
[00:32:37] losers. Yes. And I hope it's not coming across mean in my theory of the losers and the nothings,
[00:32:43] but it's better to be a nothing than a loser. Sure. And sometimes labels fit, but I think
[00:32:50] there's some synergy with your losers theory and my manufactured goat. Yes. Theory that I posed you
[00:32:58] a little while ago. Can you reset the manufactured goat theory? Yes. So it's basically like the
[00:33:07] losers, but that losers nowadays are not like big characters who are bad at the game like they
[00:33:14] used to be, but are kind of like people who we now look at like Owen or Jake and we're like,
[00:33:19] oh, they're good players, but they just like missed their shot or they just like, you know what I mean?
[00:33:24] Like losers because of the way their game goes that they just keep failing. They've been just
[00:33:30] playing from the bottom too much. And it's like, no, we're not, you know, you've been playing
[00:33:35] from the bottom and you never came off the bottom. Yeah. So my theory is with the manufactured
[00:33:41] goat is that like you flip it so that it's not like, oh, well they, you know, they, they took a bunch of,
[00:33:50] you know, shots and they missed and they ended up on the bottom. But that because of the structure
[00:33:55] of the game, there has to be somebody on the bottom. And it used to be that whoever was on the
[00:34:00] bottom was like a big character that everybody didn't like or somebody who didn't really understand
[00:34:05] the game. But now everybody understands the game and everybody's trying. So they kind of,
[00:34:10] you kind of need somebody on the bottom no matter what. So you kind of arbitrarily are like, well,
[00:34:14] they took a shot and they missed or they just happened to be outside of the big number, the big,
[00:34:20] you know, whatever like ally group was at the beginning of the merge, like, you know,
[00:34:25] like Romeo just happened to be on the outside and he could just never get in or Owen same thing.
[00:34:30] And I think it's less to do with that, that Romy or Owen are like bad players or messed up
[00:34:35] in their game, but that they just literally it's the luck of the draw. Somebody's got to be
[00:34:39] on the bottom. So you think this is that final tribal council, they say this?
[00:34:44] What do you mean? Like when you this argument, are you are you saying it for this is what those
[00:34:50] players when they get to the final tribal council should say to try to win the game?
[00:34:54] I think that by the time you're on the bottom and the way that Owen Romy are, there's no way
[00:34:59] you're going to win. And everybody kind of like subconsciously agrees to that and is like, well,
[00:35:04] we need somebody on the bottom. Owen's on the bottom. He's not getting out of the bottom
[00:35:08] like Owen did stuff, you know, in the final six and whatever. But once you have that label,
[00:35:13] it's not going away. And it's not because like Owen is like fundamentally a bad player or is
[00:35:19] capable of making good moves. But just because you need somebody on the bottom to be like the
[00:35:24] secondary target, you know what I mean? The distracting target, you need somebody that's
[00:35:28] like clearly outside of the large majority so you can have like a distraction. And
[00:35:34] because that used to be something that just naturally happened in the game from bad play,
[00:35:38] but now bad play is really rare. Yeah, Judy, I'm just trying to follow
[00:35:42] what your theory is. Is this something that like does Owen say this to the people that are
[00:35:49] in the game? Like, hey, use me as the decoy target. And then that's like something that he can
[00:35:54] like add to his resume or then he could like argue this as a final tribal council.
[00:36:00] No, I don't think there's anything you can do in the game. I think it's us looking back at
[00:36:04] like the structure of things being like, like you saying who's the loser this season? Like,
[00:36:08] we can look back and say, Hey, listen, every season, there's going to be a manufactured
[00:36:12] go. There's going to be somebody who's just randomly chosen ends up on the bottom.
[00:36:16] And that's kind of their fate. So like, yeah, that's I think the use of it.
[00:36:20] I don't think there's anything that once you've chosen to be the goat,
[00:36:23] there's anything you can do. I think it's just I think it's also part of it is like
[00:36:28] that the game is so fast and 26 days in the final tribal council comes up so fast. It's like,
[00:36:35] we would have voted you out. There wasn't time. There were too many important people to get to.
[00:36:42] That's why you're still here. Yeah. And it's often like a defanged member of the kind of like
[00:36:48] totally loser tribe, you know, like Jake was a part of the Lowe and it's part of
[00:36:53] Baca, like people that are kind of like discarding. It's like five and worth wasting one of our like,
[00:36:58] you know, five votes on you. So you'll just like we'll all accept you're not going to win
[00:37:02] and you can stay to the end. And honestly, like Katorra, I think had a better shot in
[00:37:06] the final tribal council and not to say that she but like I don't mean this to be disparaging,
[00:37:12] but she I think she was more of a nothing than a loser. She was like, Hey, I'll be an
[00:37:16] extra vote for the Reba tribe. And if she got to the final tribal council,
[00:37:19] she had people who liked her that were on the jury. And I think that she had probably,
[00:37:24] you know, a path to potentially getting a win there as opposed to somebody who had several,
[00:37:30] you know, failed plots that didn't go anywhere. That sort of had the stink of like, look, you
[00:37:36] couldn't you tried it couldn't do anything. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's like, you know,
[00:37:40] there's like a kind of Owen Jake archetype and there's like a Katorra Cassidy archetype
[00:37:46] that's like, Hey, they weren't making the big moves. They are on the bottom of the alliances,
[00:37:50] but they're well liked kind of and like could be given it in the right group of people,
[00:37:55] you know, like there's kind of roles that have ended up, ended up working out season to season
[00:38:01] because of the like the structure of the new era. Yeah. Yeah. I think that probably though
[00:38:06] that the difference between like that 43 is an interesting one where I think that
[00:38:12] you had Owen who again, lovingly we love Owen is the loser, but he went up against kind of two
[00:38:19] nothings, you know, where that the people looked at, you know, Cassidy, the nothing and then
[00:38:23] Gable or the nothing. And I think that they felt like that they liked like Gable or the nothing.
[00:38:29] He was the person who had more friends on the jury than Cassidy, who was probably somewhere
[00:38:34] in between nothing and then also like, you know, wanted to like shake things up more.
[00:38:42] And then ultimately it didn't go her way as much. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of similarities
[00:38:49] to your season where there's like a big, big name who kind of controls the structure of it
[00:38:54] and then gets out late in the game and you're left with like the kind of the satellites of
[00:38:58] that first one. Well, it was really that season. I think it was really back to back to back
[00:39:01] of that Cody and then Jesse and then Carla or Cody and then Carla and then Jesse. So,
[00:39:07] you know, the three of them back to back was sort of like, then like the jury is like looking at
[00:39:11] like, well, it should have been us. Like what do we do? Yeah. Right. Okay. All right. Well, Judy,
[00:39:17] manufactured goat. Okay, we'll keep that in mind. Okay. All right. Take care. Okay. Thanks.
[00:39:23] You too. Sarah Cupcakes is standing by. Let's say hello to
[00:39:28] Sarah. Okay. Sarah, how are you? I am so great. Happy Friday. I have the afternoon off from work.
[00:39:36] So I'm enjoying you. Get you set up outside. Yeah, it's nice. I had this electrical
[00:39:41] cord hanging down behind me, which makes me look a little bit redneck, but you know,
[00:39:44] I am where I am and that's where I am. So great, great energy here today. Yes.
[00:39:50] Yeah. Over off to a great start again. Okay, Sarah, what's going on? Oh man, I had a bunch of
[00:39:55] questions about idols coming from my survivor know it marginally background, but we start
[00:40:00] talking about big brother and now I've got all kinds of things to maybe ask and contribute.
[00:40:05] But I love the conversation everyone is having today about players coming from the bottom,
[00:40:11] the Taylor Hale of it all. And the thing that I really think is important parallel between,
[00:40:19] I mean, Venus and Taylor, all several, they're doing a lot of the same things and a lot of the
[00:40:26] same things have happened to them. The automatic dislike and being put on the outs, not being
[00:40:31] able to get their footing right off the bat. The wanting to work with the women desperately
[00:40:37] and kind of getting the shrug off from the other players. I think what's going to wind
[00:40:42] up being the difference here for Venus is that, you know, big brother, you've got 90 days
[00:40:47] plus to try to get your footing. And here you have just short, such a short time with your own
[00:40:54] tribe, but then post merge, these are people that are, you know, there are people you've
[00:41:00] just met and you've already got a gang of people putting a narrative against you. So
[00:41:06] do you think that there is a viable way to find your footing in survivor if you are on the
[00:41:13] outs right from the beginning? And how much harder do you think it is in survivor to do that than
[00:41:19] big brother? I think it's actually a lot harder in survivor to change things up because, you know,
[00:41:25] you have the opportunities where it's like, oh, Taylor won HOH. You know, and then all of a sudden
[00:41:31] now people are flocking to her because she won multiple HOHs. I think also,
[00:41:37] you know, that and I'm not a big brother live feed, you know, watcher or authority. And, you
[00:41:45] know, no one would mistake me for one in the case of Taylor. Like, I think Taylor did like
[00:41:50] literally nothing like is like an extremely like nice and kind person. And they hated her for
[00:41:57] almost no reason here for whatever reason, you know, they did not get off on the right foot
[00:42:03] with Venus. But also, Venus does not care for them either. You know, there was not like I think in
[00:42:09] the big brother house where like, you know, Taylor almost like turned the other cheek quite a bit,
[00:42:16] I felt like that she was like, you really had to piss her off before she, you know, spoke ill
[00:42:24] of anybody if even at all. And so for Venus, I think she very quickly is like, okay, I'm done
[00:42:31] with these people. And I think that there was maybe like a little bit of an opportunity coming
[00:42:36] into the merge to be seen as somebody who that they thought was, okay, this Venus is just misunderstood.
[00:42:44] But I think that the way that she came in a little too hot, I think that's sort of like
[00:42:50] when everybody else like did the like the vibe check on Venus with her original tribe is
[00:42:55] like, okay, that kind of checks out. She's being like, you know, she's playing super hard right now
[00:43:02] at the merge. And I think that she felt like less of a person that could have been picked up by
[00:43:08] other people at this point in the game. Yeah, I'm wondering how much of that is also confirmation
[00:43:14] bias because you're always feeling people out the first time you meet them and, you know,
[00:43:18] they may have formed several opinions on Venus and then they heard, oh, well, here you go.
[00:43:23] Now everything's bad. See, I told you about that. Dynamics of people are fascinating. You know,
[00:43:29] one of the things that Taylor had done to get herself caught out of the bottom is she was
[00:43:34] very willing to let herself be used as a weapon. And I was like, okay, yeah, put me on the block
[00:43:40] and do this. Not that she necessarily had a choice, but she just had such a good attitude
[00:43:44] about it. Whereas Venus, you know, to her credit, she didn't go out this week. And it was
[00:43:50] very much like, let's get this person. Let's get this person. Is there a viable way in survivor
[00:43:54] that you can get yourself to be weaponized? It's so different because you don't have the nominees.
[00:44:00] So I think it's kind of like that either she has to have an idol or someone has to be willing
[00:44:05] to play an idol for her where it's like, okay, Venus is going home tonight and then she comes
[00:44:11] out and plays the idol and then boom, like when where it does not count. Like I think
[00:44:16] she kind of needs that type of moment where she needs an advantage. And the problem is she was so
[00:44:22] close to having one. Brandon had it and she didn't get it. Like I mean, imagine how different things
[00:44:28] would feel if Venus had the idol coming into this, you know, phase of the game.
[00:44:35] I don't know if she'd be acting any different. Like I think that she would still have that
[00:44:38] like let's go get this person. But we would have like the like be tantalized of like, oh,
[00:44:43] is this, is Venus going to play her idol at this tribal council? Like I think that there would be an
[00:44:48] opportunity for that. And I don't know if there's anybody that would play an idol for her at this
[00:44:54] particular point in time. I mean, Tiffany has an idol and then Hunter has an idol. Hunter's not
[00:44:58] playing an idol on Venus. So maybe there's a different way where maybe there's a merge advantage
[00:45:04] idol that she could find at some point, you know, if they're looking for somebody to step
[00:45:08] out of the challenge to take an advantage, I think she's doing it. So maybe there's a chance
[00:45:13] with based on some kind of advantage in the game that she could shake things up.
[00:45:17] Do people who have idols used on them? Is that typically, do they find long term success or
[00:45:24] is it more of like, hey, we got saved here? That's a really good question. I think it's
[00:45:28] had been a bit of a bugaboo for some time where a person who got an idol played on them
[00:45:36] successfully. I don't think had won the game, but I think it had gotten,
[00:45:42] the curse had been broken at some point in recent history, I feel like. But let me see if the
[00:45:51] chat could remind me of it. But for a long time, it was like, oh, you get an idol played on you.
[00:45:56] That's almost like the jury sees. I don't know if it was coincidence or if that
[00:46:00] changed the way the jury saw people. Well, if anybody has a, I'm sure somebody does because
[00:46:06] survivor fans are so good with their information. If anybody has a spreadsheet of idol usage and
[00:46:13] then winter placement, everything that they want to send my way, I would love to make a model of
[00:46:17] that or something. I am not a Christian, Hubeke brain and being able to do something
[00:46:22] magnificent with it, but I could do a few clips and I'd be really interested in that.
[00:46:26] Okay. I see there's CJ says Sandra in the chat. I think that it was,
[00:46:30] the votes were on Jerry and I think Sandra had an idol played on her, but it wasn't
[00:46:35] that the votes were on Sandra. She just had an idol played on her.
[00:46:38] But we'll see. Jeremy in the final six of Cambodia, but I think that Jeremy had the
[00:46:44] idol. So we'll see if somebody else, if somebody has the answer to that. All right,
[00:46:48] Sarah, but I've got so many people on hold. So let me keep going through it. Okay.
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[00:49:47] have that friend who wakes up early to go get everyone McDonald's breakfast for the rest of us
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[00:50:07] and a satisfying sausage McMuffin with egg is just 279 price and participation may vary cannot
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