Shannon Guss and Kelley Wentworth Ep 11 Post Game Show | Survivor 46

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[00:00:06] Chicago that's gonna be up on Thursday Wednesday night. Shannon Gus is gonna be

[00:00:11] live with you with Kelly Wentworth after Survivor and we previewed the Dondie

[00:00:17] finale with dealer no deal Island host Joe Manganiello all right here on RHAP

[00:00:22] we know reality TV.

[00:00:32] Clean up in the game but one of us has played three times which is more than

[00:00:45] RobHasAwebsite even can say. Not a no at all, not a no at all but only in the derogatory sense.

[00:00:56] Wentworth and we know nothing.

[00:01:14] Good luck to us. No it was yes that's right so excited to be here because

[00:01:21] season 46 just made a decision at the merge that it was fantastic and refuses

[00:01:25] to let up and I'm so excited to talk to our guest tonight a fellow no-wit gal or

[00:01:31] should I say no with Kel? Great Kelly Wentworth, Kelly thank you for being here.

[00:01:35] That was very dad joke of you but I liked it Shannon happy to be here hi.

[00:01:41] I'm a dad somehow. I what did Tim say about being a sexy dad?

[00:01:45] I'm not saying that about me. Kelly how are you? I'm doing good. I'm doing good listen

[00:01:52] I do have to say that this season has turned around for me I was very concerned

[00:01:58] there at the beginning I was being a little bit of a negative Nancy but it

[00:02:01] has it's been a fun post merge that last few episodes have been great I've

[00:02:05] thoroughly enjoyed it so I'm very excited to be here yeah this is

[00:02:08] another great episode very sad I know a lot of people are in mourning right now

[00:02:12] putting out what would you put out for Venus what's the thing to what's Venus

[00:02:17] is like symbol oh symbol like an emoji or like you know like how I don't try to

[00:02:24] think I guess put your idols out for Venus because that's the theme of the

[00:02:27] season is people getting voted out with idols and Kelly you've had you know

[00:02:31] you've had both sides of the idol spectrum probably the most iconic

[00:02:35] successful idol playing global by me I think that's fair to say

[00:02:37] you know I was an idol in your pocket how much trauma is this season giving you

[00:02:41] and that it is now three in a row I think that's the first time we've ever had

[00:02:45] three people put a lot of trauma this isn't bad not a single idol has been

[00:02:50] played which also means not have been played successfully because no one

[00:02:53] has played them here's the thing that I don't understand if we can

[00:02:56] quickly talk about it yeah all three people knew that they were in

[00:03:02] trouble potentially do you not think I mean Hunter knew his name was getting

[00:03:06] written down yeah Hunter Hunter knew that her name had been thrown out there

[00:03:10] I don't think she knew that really mean Venus especially didn't know that

[00:03:14] really okay maybe I was watching a different show because I felt like

[00:03:18] Tiff was giving out vibes last week that she's like are you saying my name

[00:03:21] am I the blind side she's like maybe she knew in her gut without actually

[00:03:26] knowing which is the biggest thing idol could make her a threat I think

[00:03:29] but I saw that was like immediately manifesting yeah yeah people knew she

[00:03:34] had an idol Venus had a private idol you would think and then we'll get to

[00:03:38] the scene where that kind of becomes undone but an amazing crazy every week

[00:03:44] they think he was going home and there's like ironic editing around last

[00:03:49] week Venus of all people said a hunter thought that she said it completely

[00:03:53] right he thought he could stretch his idol one more tribal council and he

[00:03:55] got blindsided and then she's a true Tiffany and then in this episode she's

[00:03:59] like that really sucks for Tiffany and it happened to her here's the thing she

[00:04:04] made that fatal error which we can talk about more about why did she even give

[00:04:11] Charlie this weird little tidbit about I have something up my sleeve or somebody

[00:04:16] why would you do that you can't do that was terrible I think she should

[00:04:20] just play the idol there's only a couple votes to play it it's like

[00:04:22] might as well just play it get it out of there but you know what I've been there

[00:04:25] easier said than done it looks easy on TV you're like why would you just play it

[00:04:29] is very hard to read it is very hard sometimes so yeah I can't blame her

[00:04:33] is there a key thing as someone who's played so much of your games with an

[00:04:37] idol and has had to two different different results you know have to kind

[00:04:42] of stuff do you feel like looking back on that there's like one key thing

[00:04:45] to know tip it one way or the other was it so situational it's so

[00:04:49] situational because here's the thing everybody's lying to you you are just

[00:04:54] going off of your best guess your best judgment on who is actually telling

[00:04:59] you the truth and if you believe that people are telling you the truth

[00:05:01] you're not going to play the idol I think the point of the story is that

[00:05:04] you should always believe people are lying to you so you should just play

[00:05:06] the idol that's what I've learned it's like just play it you can find

[00:05:09] a new one because holding onto is not going to get you anywhere if you

[00:05:12] know if you give out it out. Well you mentioned that scene between

[00:05:15] Venus and Charlie I feel like that was a catalyst for what we saw I feel

[00:05:19] like Venus played herself out of the game completely with that interaction

[00:05:23] which was I was watching with my face between my hands because it was so

[00:05:26] hard to watch such an interesting way to go about it.

[00:05:29] What do you what do you think prompted her divulging some information for

[00:05:34] me I almost felt like she was like kind of excited about it and couldn't

[00:05:39] hold it back because she wasn't wielding it in an intentional way she

[00:05:42] wasn't threatening an idol with implicit immunity because if she was

[00:05:46] doing that she would have actively told him about it giving him something

[00:05:49] concrete and she wouldn't have been so future proof.

[00:05:51] She literally was like I am going to use it for the future so she left

[00:05:54] herself wide open with this big scary thing but she didn't passively

[00:05:58] show that she has nothing in which case I think that she wouldn't

[00:06:01] have even been a target so she gave him some information that there will

[00:06:05] there will be a scary thing but I won't tell you now and that I

[00:06:07] think rightfully terrified him.

[00:06:09] It was I'm sorry but it was bad strategy it didn't make sense and

[00:06:12] the only thing that does make sense is that you're right maybe she was so

[00:06:16] excited she had it and she kind of wanted she almost wanted to say that

[00:06:19] she had it but didn't and so she's like I'll leave you with this little tidbit

[00:06:22] but it is especially with how many people we have left.

[00:06:25] You can't be doing that there is no room to try and be crafty in that

[00:06:29] way where we're at right now with seven people.

[00:06:32] So I just think that's that is the power of idols though and also

[00:06:36] the disadvantage sometimes is that it that is why so many people tell

[00:06:40] people they have idols believe it or not it's because you cannot help yourself.

[00:06:44] Oh I get it.

[00:06:45] I can't keep a secret at all so I definitely get it.

[00:06:48] You don't want to say but she kind of wanted to say but that just was I

[00:06:51] mean as him being the swing that was terrible either tell him which I

[00:06:54] actually don't think in that spot it's maybe I always say don't tell

[00:06:57] people you have the idol you know that I will like that is how I feel

[00:07:02] when I believe but I think in this spot maybe it benefits her to

[00:07:06] tell Charlie that she has the idol maybe that brings him closer

[00:07:10] either way I think you play it.

[00:07:12] I'm not sure what you know I have to think on it a little bit more just watch

[00:07:14] the episode but what she did was the word.

[00:07:18] Yeah I agree and I love Venus so I'm not this is not I'm not trying to

[00:07:21] you know talk poorly of her because again I have no room to talk but.

[00:07:26] Yeah it was unfortunate I do think if she tells him she has the idol

[00:07:29] she's in danger if she's not going to be playing it if she's even if

[00:07:32] the only thing I think that could favor would be over then maybe

[00:07:34] she's using implicit immunity maybe it's too scary to vote for her

[00:07:38] because she might play it we can't split vote what actually could exactly

[00:07:41] so maybe actually if they didn't and they did split votes which we'll talk

[00:07:44] about as well so I think on the split they probably do target her anyway.

[00:07:49] I think the idea of Venus you've seen as such a chaotic player as I

[00:07:52] think has now been proven to be quite true with that.

[00:07:55] I think the idea of that would be too scary even if it was concrete

[00:07:58] but maybe it brings them closer one of the things that I thought was

[00:08:00] worse about this interaction was he was like aren't we close and

[00:08:02] she's like we will be and he like how can you tell someone

[00:08:05] we're not close yet and I have that I'm wielding that you're completely

[00:08:10] out of the loop on it's something that you can't control which for

[00:08:12] Charlie he's controlling most things so why should he want that in the game.

[00:08:15] So I felt like that lack of closeness was bad but even if she told

[00:08:18] about the idol definitely given the matter of the season how that's

[00:08:21] gone in terms of lines I mean people with idols I think she would

[00:08:24] have been in trouble with a split but yeah the best thing to do I think

[00:08:28] would have been to him you know say nothing to him about that.

[00:08:30] No I agree that's the number one decision.

[00:08:33] Yeah it was it was very unfortunate where do you see Charlie in the rest of this

[00:08:40] because he's obviously the swing vote he gets every crucial every crucial

[00:08:45] confessional going to the challenge going to the tribal council around

[00:08:50] not sure if this is me or you in terms of the connection but yeah he gets

[00:08:54] every confessional around that and he is the swing vote and it's really

[00:08:59] between well three real targets through the episode it's Maria Ben Q then Venus

[00:09:05] like what do you think was best for him given all the information we had to

[00:09:09] move forward in this way.

[00:09:12] Well it's an interesting position because he's been very close to Maria but

[00:09:16] now he's seeing that Q and Maria are very close so that does raise red

[00:09:20] flags immediately because you're going OK if I go with this group I've got

[00:09:25] Ben who is also close to Maria right because you've got those three who

[00:09:28] were together so it's an interesting position but if he goes with the girls

[00:09:36] is he the fourth person you know with Liz Venus and Kenzie I personally say

[00:09:43] stick with what you know I would have probably gone with the group he knows

[00:09:48] of Q Maria and Ben and gotten rid of Venus that was in my personal decision.

[00:09:55] Yeah at the point before Venus has played herself out of the game because I

[00:09:59] because I think that when she plays herself out of the game with interaction

[00:10:01] we've spoken about I think at that point it's very understandable to get her out

[00:10:05] of the game. I feel like whatever she's threatening in some vague way is

[00:10:09] right way too terrifying but at the point where she hasn't it really is

[00:10:12] between these kind of groups and we're getting to a late stage game

[00:10:15] where groups probably matter a little bit less but looking at it I

[00:10:19] quite like the way for Charlie the way that he the way he's using timing

[00:10:23] and he's trying to kind of shift it a couple of rounds even like I think he

[00:10:26] really want to queue before Maria now whether he could have thought that I

[00:10:29] think is a different story but even kind of keeping Maria around but very very

[00:10:33] vulnerable before even like taking that big shot and leaving himself as

[00:10:36] vulnerable and leaving a big threat like Maria in as a target and taking out Q

[00:10:40] I think that that as an intention works for him again Maria is vulnerable not

[00:10:44] super sure he could have pulled it off but I think as an intention it

[00:10:46] works and I think you're going for that would have made sense the one

[00:10:50] thing with taking out Venus here is that he then now has like pretty much if

[00:10:54] he wants to take out Q which from a jury perspective we can talk about I

[00:10:58] think does he have to but okay if you want to take out Q and then wants to

[00:11:02] take out Maria that's only two rounds to take those two shots so it's just

[00:11:06] a little delicate but it also means that he's likely to make it further

[00:11:10] because it is so delicate that he has these shields in front of him that

[00:11:12] he's going to make it to the end if he can pull it off so I think that

[00:11:16] they were probably pros and cons around the timing of that if it means all

[00:11:18] about pacing and timing but the way he sees his own positioning the social

[00:11:22] game the way he's using Kenzie now pulling in Kenzie the same way Maria pulled

[00:11:27] in going to her after the blindside having that sense of timing having that

[00:11:31] intentionality in all the options to do it because everyone's working with

[00:11:34] him I think the soft skills on that are incredible and I think he's looking

[00:11:37] at it with a lot of clarity actually. Yeah I agree with what you said

[00:11:42] I think it was the right decision I think he does have two big

[00:11:46] threats now in Maria and Q I think if you look at you know because now we're

[00:11:49] saying let's say he does go back to Kenzie and Liz and you've got the other

[00:11:53] side is Q, Maria and Ben. You'd say okay well that's a 3-3 but I think at

[00:11:58] some point you have to ask Ben do you want like could he potentially still

[00:12:04] use Liz and Kenzie and pull in Ben? That's the question is if he can't

[00:12:09] do that and Ben is right or die now with Maria and Q then he may be in

[00:12:13] a bad spot. Yeah I don't think he's in a bad spot and my favorite thing that he

[00:12:17] did in this episode was affirming Ben. He was back to Ben after he's had that

[00:12:22] interaction with Venus and he's doing it all with Ben and I think that the

[00:12:25] chips fell pretty well this episode to make sure he was with Ben because I

[00:12:28] think like if Maria was vulnerable he's maybe forced to take a shot at her

[00:12:31] without Ben but I think he really wants to make the move with Ben not

[00:12:34] being a swing alone because that can be such a vulnerable spot I think the

[00:12:38] best thing he's doing I think he completely has been he's assured

[00:12:41] over Maria we've seen their relationship way closer than him and Maria through the

[00:12:45] pre-merge and some secret scenes as well I think he has been as his number two

[00:12:49] and that changes this completely because that puts him and Ben now as a six

[00:12:52] between these two duos. Kenzie with Liz a little bit and even

[00:12:58] Kenzie's close to him Maria with Q and he obviously has the thing with Maria

[00:13:01] that is very very powerful so affirming that with Ben I think Ben is

[00:13:05] well wanting Venus out doing what Ben wanted beyond even what you know

[00:13:08] kind of Venus had played herself out of the game.

[00:13:10] He was so strong and sets him up so so well and if he didn't have Ben I'd be a

[00:13:14] lot more concerned because I'd say Maria has way too much power going into six

[00:13:17] but I think he's taken that from her. Yeah that's just is a testament to

[00:13:21] his gameplay right. Yeah we'll see what happens but I think he's in a good

[00:13:26] spot I think I do think that the Venus vote was the right decision here.

[00:13:30] Yeah I mean I definitely at the point where she's had that interaction.

[00:13:33] Oh yeah that was like that was nailing the coffin that was just terrible I

[00:13:36] think up until that point he was really debating and then that was the final

[00:13:40] seal of the deal. Yeah it's all on timing for me and I think yeah the timing is

[00:13:44] just a little bit a little bit you know scarier now but again that will mean

[00:13:49] that he's protected until the end. It's interesting for other people like Ben

[00:13:52] as an example who's doing this because taking out Venus you think you're

[00:13:55] taking out a little bit of a go. We do think that Venus is someone who

[00:13:58] could have been beaten for someone like Ben who has wielded a lot of

[00:14:01] agency I think in this work in particular do you see a pathway to

[00:14:05] the end where Ben has any power because if he's in a similar pathway to

[00:14:08] Charlie but also needs to eliminate Charlie we can talk about the jury but

[00:14:12] where is the winning game for Ben in this as much as I like how much

[00:14:17] power and control he has right now. I don't really think there's a

[00:14:23] winning game for Ben. I just don't I maybe just as I've been watching it

[00:14:27] I just haven't seen it I just haven't really seen him as driving anything

[00:14:33] I feel like he's kind of been in the back seat but that's just my opinion.

[00:14:37] Yeah well how do you look at this jury because I feel like that's the elephant

[00:14:41] in the room and me with the jury I think and it really dawned on me tonight

[00:14:47] I'm like this is going to be a very weird jury and the reason why is

[00:14:50] because they're weird players and the players will become the jury

[00:14:54] and like you can just they're very they're very unique come on

[00:14:58] they're very passionate very unique players.

[00:15:01] They're special because I mean they're so intense which I love it's

[00:15:06] so entertaining these people.

[00:15:09] True passion passion don't we want that though we want that we want to see that.

[00:15:14] Is that I'm like why are you guys fighting so hard a tribal council in what is

[00:15:17] like a pinpoint you know they don't know this but like blind side of

[00:15:20] someone with an idol like usually I think you're like a little bit more

[00:15:23] open if it's not such a delicate mission but they're still fighting

[00:15:27] like Venus is a big part of that but look it's a lot of fun but what are these

[00:15:31] jurors going to do given the fact that firstly I'm having a really tough time

[00:15:35] of analyzing the jury because you have people saying that Q can now win.

[00:15:38] I'm like okay I'll take your word for it.

[00:15:40] Charlie Kenzie says is not a jury threat.

[00:15:43] I think Charlie's played a great game and he could articulate himself very

[00:15:45] well so it's different to what I'm seeing and then we think about the way

[00:15:48] they articulate themselves as players and the matter of the season.

[00:15:52] I think it's going to be a lot on big moves over social game big

[00:15:55] individual moves it's all been about claiming it things like taking out

[00:15:58] the matter that they've created a culture that will be rewarded big game.

[00:16:03] Even something like fire I hate to say it because it's that's this is

[00:16:06] triggering for me but I feel like fire can be a big thing because

[00:16:09] claimable individual if you did it to take out your number one even better.

[00:16:13] So I predict some strangeness from this jury.

[00:16:18] I think that's fair definitely but it's what you're talking about.

[00:16:21] Oh something like let's say Kenzie says that Charlie's not a jury threat.

[00:16:25] Everyone is going to have their own perception of each person.

[00:16:31] Now once the jury gets together at Ponderosa that is where it does turn into this.

[00:16:38] You might have a different idea of how someone played the game and then you get

[00:16:42] into the jury with everyone else and it's almost like everyone I don't want

[00:16:47] to say piles on but it's just very easy to start to be like yeah you're

[00:16:50] right Charlie doesn't have a game or what you know and then that person

[00:16:53] really has to at Final Tribal like dig themselves out of a hole they didn't

[00:16:57] even know they were in.

[00:16:58] So it is very interesting because it will just we'll just see how people feel

[00:17:02] in that Final Tribal Council and we don't even know who's going to get there

[00:17:05] but to your point I do think it's going to be about big moves.

[00:17:09] It's definitely going to be about big moves.

[00:17:10] Who's the one you know for Tiff like who's the one who orchestrated

[00:17:13] that who got me out you know same for Hunter same for it's really

[00:17:16] same for everybody and that's how it is every season but I think this

[00:17:19] cast specifically is very spicy very over the top very passionate as I like to

[00:17:26] say and I think it could be a I hope it's an explosive Final Tribal.

[00:17:31] I know we're jumping ahead but.

[00:17:33] Oh it's going to be I was just thinking I feel bad for the final three.

[00:17:37] I don't know what snack Jeff is bringing out for Final Tribal Council

[00:17:40] but I think it will be warranted.

[00:17:42] Are you mad about it?

[00:17:43] Are you mad about the licorice?

[00:17:44] OK.

[00:17:45] Licorice is gross to be fair.

[00:17:47] Yeah I don't like more of it.

[00:17:48] I don't like licorice.

[00:17:49] Yeah red vines not about it and not about the ones that you strip apart.

[00:17:52] I don't like those either but.

[00:17:54] What do we bring?

[00:17:55] Why?

[00:17:56] OK why are we doing this whole thing of like no rice.

[00:18:00] We want them to starve limited rewards but then we're going to come out

[00:18:04] and be like oh you can have a little candy at Tribal.

[00:18:06] Just let him have the reward.

[00:18:08] It's just stupid like just let him go on the rewards.

[00:18:11] It's just fun to watch.

[00:18:12] We don't need to see you dangle this little carrot in front of the.

[00:18:15] I just I think it's dumb.

[00:18:17] I'm sorry.

[00:18:18] I'm saying it.

[00:18:19] I don't like it.

[00:18:20] Unnecessary.

[00:18:21] First I think maybe if you have a couple of pieces of popcorn

[00:18:23] it might make you more hungry.

[00:18:24] It's like not enough to satiate anything but then it's like reminds you

[00:18:28] of what you can't have.

[00:18:28] Secondly it rewards the players for being messy.

[00:18:32] Won't the players going out for 47 and 48 be like so if I'm very dramatic

[00:18:37] now I get a little treat.

[00:18:39] So where are we yeah I mean is this just going to progress into all of a

[00:18:42] sudden it's going to be two seasons from now and he's just handing out pizza.

[00:18:46] I said where are we drawing the line here you know each each each person

[00:18:49] gets a pepperoni I don't know it's like what are we doing.

[00:18:52] I think it's good because then it rewards you for being entertaining

[00:18:55] in a sense by our candy that we reward people with his airtime.

[00:18:59] So for them I don't agree.

[00:19:02] I don't agree.

[00:19:03] Yeah we can agree to disagree on this.

[00:19:05] No I know that the past players are going to be upset that they're getting

[00:19:07] licorice at Tribal Castle.

[00:19:08] I do think it is the most disgusting of the candy options to give them so I

[00:19:11] do I don't take that one harshly at all but yeah it's interesting that

[00:19:17] they're that entertaining that they're getting that now and yeah for the final

[00:19:19] Tribal Council I think those three are going to be in trouble because it is

[00:19:24] so intense and I wonder you talk about like the threads that come out at

[00:19:26] Ponderosa.

[00:19:27] I just feel like I don't know where those threads are going.

[00:19:29] I really wish that I had Ponderosa videos because I feel like those

[00:19:32] conversations will be surprising to me.

[00:19:33] So many things surprise me tonight talking about the jury.

[00:19:36] A lot of it was from Ken's perspective she's just one person who might

[00:19:39] be a juror maybe not but yeah stuff about the Charlie Deque spectrum of

[00:19:43] juror potential was not what I was expecting tonight and that kind of

[00:19:46] upends my whole thought process for what people's pathways should be because

[00:19:50] I would have swapped those around.

[00:19:53] Yeah we have a question.

[00:19:54] We're going to get so here we've got a lot but we'll go through.

[00:19:57] Dolly Court Manch says why would Ben vote for Kenzie there was a

[00:20:00] split vote here which I'm interested to get your take on.

[00:20:04] Okay so I have to do the votes really quick.

[00:20:06] I'm always bad at these.

[00:20:07] It was my time to think about so cute.

[00:20:09] So Venus voted for Q.

[00:20:11] Yeah and then Ben voted for Kenzie that was it.

[00:20:13] It was one.

[00:20:14] Ben voted for Kenzie.

[00:20:16] Oh we got it.

[00:20:16] We got it a couple of times.

[00:20:17] We have another one here.

[00:20:18] Paolo from Edmonton was Ben's Kenzie voter group decision in case Venus

[00:20:21] played an idol.

[00:20:21] Yeah I mean probably that makes sense.

[00:20:24] Yeah.

[00:20:24] Because then you have one one and then you on the revote obviously you

[00:20:27] can vote out Q or yeah.

[00:20:28] So the thing I found interesting about that was for Maria and Q's

[00:20:33] perspective I understand that these are the people in the pound

[00:20:35] position not Kenzie who's being split on all this who doesn't have

[00:20:37] power but from Charlie and Ben's perspective the swing votes

[00:20:40] considering Ben is the splitter as well.

[00:20:42] I was like isn't it terrible if Venus plays an idol and Kenzie goes

[00:20:47] home because then you've upset Venus she was meant to go home.

[00:20:52] Now you're kind of shoehorned a little bit into working with Q

[00:20:57] and Maria surely if Venus plays an idol you want Q to go home

[00:21:00] and you know what I think I think this was a smoke screen split.

[00:21:04] That's really hard to say with a lisp but it was a smoke screen split

[00:21:08] because.

[00:21:10] I love that you can make fun of your song Shannon that's what I saw.

[00:21:13] But I don't know if this has been done before I don't think the

[00:21:16] split was going to play out if Venus plays an idol and it's a one

[00:21:19] to one I think they vote out Q.

[00:21:21] It's much much better now.

[00:21:22] Yeah.

[00:21:23] I mean look think about how much.

[00:21:24] Yeah that's what I would think.

[00:21:26] Yeah think about how much especially Charlie and Ben probably

[00:21:29] want Kenzie to stay over Q.

[00:21:31] I think Kenzie is essential to to Charlie's game but I agree.

[00:21:35] Obviously Maria and Q need to think that there's a split and Q

[00:21:39] even said I don't want to be the decoy so he's worried about

[00:21:41] that so they split for them but if it went to the one one I

[00:21:45] think they're voting out Q.

[00:21:46] So I think it was just to show them.

[00:21:48] Yeah because it wasn't for shot in the dark because firstly

[00:21:50] you wouldn't think Venus isn't going to play her shot in the

[00:21:52] dark she thinks that she's like in a crucial four her

[00:21:54] vote is imperative and also then at that point Kenzie

[00:21:57] would go home 1 to 0 which would be really really bad for

[00:22:00] these things.

[00:22:00] I think that they were scared of an idol given the incredible

[00:22:03] sketchiness of her interaction with Charlie and we're like

[00:22:06] okay well yeah no we're protecting you Q but one on

[00:22:08] Kenzie on the re-vote and just one not two on the re-vote

[00:22:12] will vote out Kenzie but I don't think they ever would have.

[00:22:14] So I think that was an interesting split for me

[00:22:16] because I think it was all a facade so.

[00:22:18] But it makes sense because even if they think that

[00:22:21] Venus could have an idol they also don't know that she

[00:22:23] has an idol so they're thinking okay what if Q plays

[00:22:26] an idol or they're you just you don't know.

[00:22:29] Yeah you don't know for sure so it makes sense that

[00:22:32] they did the extra vote because if they don't let's

[00:22:34] just say in some other world that they do two on Q

[00:22:39] and the rest on Venus right and then two idols are

[00:22:42] played then they are vulnerable so why would you risk

[00:22:45] that that doesn't make any sense.

[00:22:47] So I think I think at the end of the day if Venus

[00:22:50] plays the idol and they do a re-vote Q goes home

[00:22:53] those are the two options.

[00:22:54] I think so but you wouldn't think that if you were Q

[00:22:56] and Maria so I think that they can still keep up the

[00:22:59] facade of we're working with you but next week.

[00:23:01] Right yeah so I think that they've done very well in that

[00:23:05] but I think at first I was a little worried for Kenzie

[00:23:07] because she loses power here as she said losing

[00:23:09] Venus makes her more vulnerable I don't think it's great

[00:23:12] for Kenzie and I didn't think it was good that

[00:23:13] she was a split target but thinking about how

[00:23:15] I don't think she goes home and then see how much

[00:23:18] Charlie is investing with her and having those

[00:23:20] conversations with her obviously loops her and lives in.

[00:23:23] I think it's better for her than I originally thought

[00:23:26] even though super unfortunate that Venus goes here

[00:23:30] but so much of that is on Venus and not her

[00:23:32] and in another world Maria doesn't win immunity

[00:23:35] and Venus doesn't play herself out of the game

[00:23:37] and her target I think Kenzie's target goes

[00:23:39] but this was an unfortunate episode for Kenzie

[00:23:41] but I feel like not by her fault.

[00:23:45] No I think she's still fine though.

[00:23:47] I think there's still room here.

[00:23:49] Yeah I think she's fine.

[00:23:52] Do you see now like you feel like they're going

[00:23:54] to be targeting you and Maria next?

[00:23:56] Is that like the way?

[00:23:57] Absolutely yeah absolutely.

[00:23:59] Yeah what do you think would have happened?

[00:24:03] Okay assuming Venus doesn't play herself out of the game

[00:24:04] let's go back in time.

[00:24:05] Okay.

[00:24:06] And assuming if Maria doesn't win immunity

[00:24:09] say like Charlie wins immunity so everyone's fault.

[00:24:11] Everyone who could be a target.

[00:24:13] Do you think that Maria would, did Maria save herself

[00:24:16] with immunity tonight?

[00:24:21] I think it's such a tough question

[00:24:24] because if you get rid of Maria here

[00:24:28] then that again leaves, I'm just bucketing the girls together

[00:24:31] cause it seems like they're kind of

[00:24:33] the ones that are on the outs.

[00:24:34] So that leaves Venus, Liz and I write things down

[00:24:36] so don't worry.

[00:24:37] That leaves Venus, Liz and Kenzie

[00:24:41] and then that leaves you with Charlie

[00:24:45] and Ben and Q.

[00:24:48] So I guess it would depend how tight,

[00:24:54] you still have Q right to get rid of.

[00:24:56] He's like the obvious but then if you get rid of Q

[00:24:58] then you have the three girls against Charlie and Ben.

[00:25:01] Yeah.

[00:25:02] So that's a dangerous position as well

[00:25:04] cause I guess the three girls kind of seem together

[00:25:06] just because they are the outsiders of that other group

[00:25:10] but I actually think the way this all played out

[00:25:13] the fact that Maria won, the fact that Venus went home

[00:25:15] I actually think this is, I really think

[00:25:17] we already talked about it.

[00:25:18] I really do think it benefits Charlie a lot

[00:25:20] and I actually think it's not bad for Kenzie.

[00:25:22] I don't think it's bad for Liz.

[00:25:24] I think it actually worked out the way it was supposed to.

[00:25:26] I don't know that Maria would have gone home

[00:25:28] if she didn't get immunity actually

[00:25:30] but I've been a lot to think about.

[00:25:31] Yeah, I mean, I think they wanted her.

[00:25:33] I think the women wanted her.

[00:25:34] That's what they seem to be pushing.

[00:25:36] They did.

[00:25:37] Yeah.

[00:25:38] I think that even if Maria goes, if Q goes,

[00:25:40] if Venus goes, which he did

[00:25:42] they're very much relying especially on Charlie.

[00:25:44] So he's in the pound seat I think for that

[00:25:47] but interestingly I think they would have pushed for Maria

[00:25:50] and I kind of think Charlie would have had to go with it.

[00:25:53] I don't think Charlie wanted Maria out now.

[00:25:54] I think he's always vading his confessionals

[00:25:56] around the timing.

[00:25:57] They ask for a name and he kind of smartly hedges his bets

[00:26:00] doesn't really give a name around who he wants between Q

[00:26:03] and Maria and even like, oh Q's Maria's pocket

[00:26:06] like really pushing Q.

[00:26:08] I think for him it makes sense that he wants Q out

[00:26:10] keep Maria as like a really big target.

[00:26:12] You know, you don't want anyone to be like,

[00:26:13] well maybe at a point we'll just drag Q

[00:26:15] keep her keep a little bit of relationship.

[00:26:17] She'll be very, very, very vulnerable at that point

[00:26:19] even if she'd be upset.

[00:26:21] I think that's what he would want

[00:26:22] but I think if she didn't win immunity

[00:26:23] I think the women would have pushed for it.

[00:26:24] And I think Charlie would have been in a very interesting

[00:26:26] spot between Maria and Venus where he's not

[00:26:29] I think his prime target would have been

[00:26:31] at that point before Venus plays herself out of the game.

[00:26:33] I think his target would have been Q.

[00:26:35] So I think he would have been pushed

[00:26:36] with a little bit less leverage

[00:26:37] of them being like, no it's Maria

[00:26:39] and him having to be like, am I doing this without then?

[00:26:41] Am I going for Maria now?

[00:26:42] Am I taking the shot making myself a little bit more

[00:26:44] vulnerable or am I taking out Venus without really Kenzie

[00:26:48] and Liz's consent?

[00:26:50] Because it came way more understandable

[00:26:51] when she had some big vague scary things.

[00:26:53] Am I taking out Venus on this?

[00:26:55] And then am I pissing them off?

[00:26:58] And now I've been too haunted to working with Q

[00:27:01] and Maria further on.

[00:27:02] I think it would have been two extremes

[00:27:04] whereas Q became a really good middle option

[00:27:06] and even Venus at the point where she had

[00:27:08] the big vague scary thing also probably

[00:27:10] became pretty consensus.

[00:27:11] So I think things worked out well for Charlie

[00:27:14] and in Maria saving herself

[00:27:16] and Venus making herself that option.

[00:27:17] But I think that would have been such an interesting thing

[00:27:19] if Maria was vulnerable to look at

[00:27:22] if he was taking the shot.

[00:27:23] But Shayna, I'm still thinking

[00:27:24] that Venus still does the same thing.

[00:27:27] Because what's the difference

[00:27:28] of it being Maria or Q?

[00:27:29] No, she probably should have.

[00:27:30] She didn't need to do it either way

[00:27:31] and still did it.

[00:27:32] So I think the outcome potentially is still the same.

[00:27:35] It does, I understand that it makes it more interesting

[00:27:37] but I'm still thinking because of what Venus said

[00:27:41] and did I still think that she ends up being the person

[00:27:44] but it would have made it more interesting for sure.

[00:27:46] Although what if Venus had one immunity

[00:27:50] and then it really does twist things up a bit?

[00:27:52] At that point, yeah, it would have been

[00:27:53] if can Charlie pull back to a Q vote that he wants?

[00:27:57] I think Maria probably goes,

[00:27:58] I think the interesting thing is,

[00:27:59] say we get to a point where Venus is playing herself

[00:28:00] out of the game but Maria is vulnerable.

[00:28:03] I think that the difference there

[00:28:07] is if Charlie has been going on a Maria vote

[00:28:09] he might have to keep going.

[00:28:10] Look at Kenzie who dipped out

[00:28:12] and didn't go through with the Tiffany vote

[00:28:13] and renailed on it which was worse.

[00:28:15] I think at the point if he had been part

[00:28:16] of something really concrete against Maria

[00:28:18] at the point where she hadn't won the challenge

[00:28:20] he might have had to keep running with it.

[00:28:23] So at that point maybe even Venus

[00:28:25] wouldn't have been enough to tear him away

[00:28:26] from just getting it done

[00:28:28] at the point where it was already in motion.

[00:28:29] Whereas with Q, yeah, we had a Q vote

[00:28:32] but every week we have a Q vote

[00:28:34] and there's a lot less Q

[00:28:35] so it's a lot less risky that it comes out

[00:28:36] that he's been the swing vote between these things.

[00:28:39] I think that might have been,

[00:28:40] but at the point where she does that

[00:28:42] we see so many times that everyone says

[00:28:44] we don't trust Venus,

[00:28:46] they have issues with working with Venus

[00:28:48] and this might have been why?

[00:28:49] Because then this happens

[00:28:50] and now like the people who were working

[00:28:51] with her, Kenzie and Liz have lost

[00:28:52] I think a lot of leverage or a more aligned on Charlie

[00:28:57] where, you know, because she became at that point

[00:29:00] a target due to the way that she communicated

[00:29:04] with Charlie.

[00:29:05] Mm-hmm.

[00:29:06] Yeah, really, really tricky one for them.

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[00:29:42] We need to talk about, you know,

[00:29:45] such a big part of this episode

[00:29:47] another running theme of the season.

[00:29:50] Reward choices.

[00:29:51] Okay, I was hoping we were going here

[00:29:53] because I was gonna say that I,

[00:29:55] you know, Maria was a target

[00:29:56] but then she really blew that thing up.

[00:29:59] It was maybe this big

[00:30:00] if you're not watching video,

[00:30:01] you can't see it, it's maybe this

[00:30:02] and then after that reward challenge

[00:30:04] it was full blown,

[00:30:05] like whole back is covered.

[00:30:07] I, it wasn't weird.

[00:30:09] Okay, I need to go back in time a little bit

[00:30:11] because I made a video last week

[00:30:14] saying that Hugh can make whatever decision

[00:30:16] he wants to make.

[00:30:17] He had no, he did not have to take Liz

[00:30:20] simply because she was hungry,

[00:30:22] wanted just, you think of her daughter, whatever.

[00:30:25] And same thing for Maria.

[00:30:27] She can take whoever she wants to take

[00:30:29] for whatever reason she wants to take them.

[00:30:30] She doesn't owe anyone anything

[00:30:32] but the selection process was weird.

[00:30:37] It was not necessary

[00:30:40] and I do think that, you know,

[00:30:45] it was a big reason why the girls wanted her out

[00:30:46] and it's just on top of her being a threat

[00:30:49] but it's like girl, why did you do this?

[00:30:52] It was very strange.

[00:30:53] What's your, what was your thought watching it?

[00:30:56] I thought, well, Ben was a perfect pick.

[00:30:58] So, but then I wanted to present.

[00:30:59] I wanted to present.

[00:31:00] But only she has only given one reward choice

[00:31:03] and Ben, everyone was happy for Ben.

[00:31:04] Ben had an Eden and he's now like,

[00:31:06] he takes every box, Ben was great.

[00:31:08] Well, like great, we're on a great track.

[00:31:10] Then it gets to having to pick someone else.

[00:31:12] Now I will say, I really do think

[00:31:14] a lot of these players feel very entitled to food.

[00:31:17] 100%.

[00:31:18] They are coming from Maria.

[00:31:20] And even again, even if they weren't,

[00:31:22] it would still be her prerogative.

[00:31:23] I mean, at the end of the day,

[00:31:24] it might go over from a jury or a gameplay perspective

[00:31:26] but like the entitlement to the food,

[00:31:29] I think is an issue.

[00:31:31] It was also hard to see parts of kind of the,

[00:31:34] the character type that we talk about,

[00:31:36] like where they're then upset

[00:31:37] that she's like the mother type,

[00:31:39] where she leans into, but like also she is gonna be the mom.

[00:31:42] You know, every mom has been mama J or, you know, mama C.

[00:31:45] And then they're like, well, she's meant to be like maternal

[00:31:47] and then she wasn't.

[00:31:48] So tough, tough spot for Maria in saying that,

[00:31:51] I think I would have, I would have taken Liz

[00:31:55] because of the why name,

[00:31:57] I wouldn't be like, yeah.

[00:31:59] And I don't want to cut you up.

[00:32:00] I'm just like, I know I'm just thinking what's in my head

[00:32:02] cause it's okay.

[00:32:03] There's a couple of things here.

[00:32:04] Okay.

[00:32:05] Even, let me go through them.

[00:32:07] Even Q himself at the reward said,

[00:32:09] I should not be here.

[00:32:10] Okay. So that's sign number one.

[00:32:12] Even he knew like, well, I got lucky here.

[00:32:14] Number two at the reward, they're like,

[00:32:17] I don't know why Liz is upset.

[00:32:18] She has that rice.

[00:32:19] It's like, you guys listen,

[00:32:22] I can tell you being out there,

[00:32:23] there is a massive difference having

[00:32:25] a quarter cup of rice a day versus getting pizza

[00:32:28] or hamburger.

[00:32:29] Let me try the pizza.

[00:32:30] It is so different.

[00:32:31] You cannot even sit there and be like,

[00:32:32] well, I don't know why she's mad.

[00:32:33] She got there.

[00:32:34] Come on, that's ridiculous.

[00:32:36] Whatever.

[00:32:37] Number three.

[00:32:38] Now I'm still worked up.

[00:32:38] I can't even remember what my number three was.

[00:32:40] My number three.

[00:32:42] Oh, I just don't understand what,

[00:32:43] I think it would have been different

[00:32:44] if Maria had just, if she wanted to pick Q,

[00:32:46] just pick Q.

[00:32:47] Don't make this whole spectacle of it

[00:32:49] and say, oh, well who hasn't had that?

[00:32:50] It's like whatever.

[00:32:52] Oh, this is number four.

[00:32:53] I've got a lot on this topic.

[00:32:54] I'm excited about it.

[00:32:54] It's really got me hot right now.

[00:32:57] Number four.

[00:32:58] She sat on the beach with Liz

[00:33:00] and said, I've enjoyed working with you.

[00:33:02] I want to work with you.

[00:33:03] If that is truly how she felt,

[00:33:05] I don't think it would have been a bad idea

[00:33:07] to take Liz, gain some favor with her.

[00:33:10] I really think she should have picked Liz.

[00:33:12] Q and Maria are already doing pretty well.

[00:33:15] No one back at camp likes Q.

[00:33:18] So what is the harm?

[00:33:19] And it's not like you're not,

[00:33:20] don't want to send him back to camp

[00:33:21] because you're worried he's going to cook up some plan.

[00:33:24] No one wants to work with him.

[00:33:25] I think you take Liz here.

[00:33:26] I do think that was a mistake.

[00:33:28] Yeah, well also it's a pizza reward at camp.

[00:33:30] It's not the overnight reward that last week was.

[00:33:32] So even if you're apart from Q for a little while

[00:33:35] or you can't do as much authentic strategizing.

[00:33:36] It's two hours max.

[00:33:38] It's probably an hour.

[00:33:39] From a time perspective,

[00:33:40] I mean how long did it take Q to eat all that pizza?

[00:33:44] But I think not actually that long.

[00:33:45] So from a time perspective, you're okay.

[00:33:47] She could have thrown Liz a bonus.

[00:33:48] Thank you for voting for Tiffany on her plan.

[00:33:51] Last minute, showing that she was working with her Q.

[00:33:54] She does have Q and even Q said like you make your own decision

[00:33:57] to be fair, so did Venus.

[00:33:58] And then Venus was so mad.

[00:33:59] But I think that she didn't need to take Q

[00:34:02] and could afford here to take Liz

[00:34:03] even from a perception perspective,

[00:34:05] from a jury perspective,

[00:34:06] that's what I would have done.

[00:34:07] I do think the Q,

[00:34:09] cake and Q makes sense if you think you have the Seagas.

[00:34:13] So Charlie, Maria, Ben and Q.

[00:34:15] If that's the four that are maintaining through to seven

[00:34:17] it shouldn't really matter

[00:34:19] if you're upsetting the women

[00:34:20] because they're not in your plans.

[00:34:21] I think firstly she's badly misreading where Charlie is

[00:34:24] and I think that's the core issue here.

[00:34:26] She doesn't know where her game is at

[00:34:27] because her number one is slowly turning on her

[00:34:30] but not in a way that the others have turned

[00:34:31] which has been just like stabbing at them

[00:34:33] but like in a slowly twisting the knife kind of way.

[00:34:35] So with her not knowing that

[00:34:38] even possibly on the facade of the split vote

[00:34:40] that's how much she's unaware

[00:34:42] of how bad things are and where her game is at.

[00:34:44] So that's a lot of that.

[00:34:46] Even in thinking she has a four

[00:34:48] from a jury perspective

[00:34:50] and just because it seemed easy enough to take Liz

[00:34:52] I would have taken Liz

[00:34:54] even though I understand from her one in Q

[00:34:56] from her gameplay perspective

[00:34:58] but at the point where she's willing

[00:34:59] to let her go to scissors paper rock, surely

[00:35:02] I mean firstly you can think about it

[00:35:03] but you do that earlier

[00:35:04] you take Ben and let everyone just draw six

[00:35:06] if you're willing to head your bets

[00:35:08] on the decision anyway

[00:35:09] and not really minding who comes as much

[00:35:11] because you're not fully in control of that decision.

[00:35:13] Definitely the worst part was the process

[00:35:17] making them bet

[00:35:18] and then making them play scissors paper rock

[00:35:20] like how long are we gonna be here?

[00:35:21] What are we doing tic-tac-toe?

[00:35:23] It's like now it's actually a tournament

[00:35:24] now who are doing this around Robin

[00:35:26] and I want everyone to go back

[00:35:27] and do the challenge whoever wins the challenge

[00:35:29] is gonna come with me.

[00:35:29] So that and really teasing it out for so long

[00:35:33] and also putting out the rhetoric

[00:35:36] she was explaining a whole thought process

[00:35:37] like an evil villain

[00:35:38] at the end of a superhero movie

[00:35:39] and then they get killed

[00:35:40] like why are you saying this?

[00:35:42] Why did you say it was purely physical

[00:35:43] and then immediately go against your own rhetoric

[00:35:45] like if they feel entitled to the physicality of the food

[00:35:48] you like pun intended fed into it

[00:35:50] and then contradicted yourself

[00:35:52] so that the whole

[00:35:53] it was really one of many unfortunate interactions

[00:35:56] of the sevens.

[00:35:57] Even just her saying,

[00:35:58] okay I want each of you to tell me why you should come

[00:36:01] or it's like oh my God

[00:36:03] because we're all hungry.

[00:36:04] What do you want me to say?

[00:36:07] I have a more full connection to pizza.

[00:36:09] Right because okay there you go whatever it is

[00:36:12] I love this girl.

[00:36:13] I love this too girl.

[00:36:13] I really do.

[00:36:14] That's great.

[00:36:15] The Fidget Pizza not quite up to par

[00:36:17] but when you're hungry it's okay.

[00:36:18] But and then she excludes Venus

[00:36:23] and is like well yes sir your gears well enough.

[00:36:26] So you two it's like oh my,

[00:36:27] it just got worse with every second they went by

[00:36:29] I was like oh my gosh no just please make it stop.

[00:36:32] And then they got to the reward

[00:36:34] and it was like well Liz has the right she's fine.

[00:36:36] It just oh my gosh all right.

[00:36:38] It was bad it was awkward watch.

[00:36:40] She did it in rounds

[00:36:41] like they would be like American Idol final three.

[00:36:43] Exactly.

[00:36:44] And it's like now you're safe.

[00:36:45] You've been eliminated.

[00:36:47] And then so that was unfortunate.

[00:36:49] I know that Mike tweeted about like oh like Charlie

[00:36:52] could have been the out

[00:36:54] and then he took himself out of that.

[00:36:56] But like the one thing with Charlie

[00:36:58] is that he had him on the reward

[00:36:59] so that looks good he is her ally

[00:37:00] but I still think he probably upset Liz.

[00:37:02] You probably you still leaving out Q

[00:37:04] which he clearly didn't want to do.

[00:37:05] And I think all three Seager together doesn't look good.

[00:37:08] They should be minimizing the Seager thing.

[00:37:09] It actually isn't that legitimate because Charlie

[00:37:11] and I think Ben to a large degree are turning on Maria

[00:37:14] but she doesn't know that.

[00:37:15] So even she said to Liz

[00:37:17] she was like the only people talking to me are Q

[00:37:18] and the Seagers I'm like stop saying the Seagers.

[00:37:20] Don't let them remember that there's more.

[00:37:22] Exactly.

[00:37:23] Stop it.

[00:37:23] They've been coming for the Seagers.

[00:37:24] I actually think the way that Charlie has pushed

[00:37:26] the threat of what could have been the Seagers

[00:37:27] onto just solely Maria is so impressive.

[00:37:30] So I wouldn't have necessarily,

[00:37:32] I think Liz was a fine option

[00:37:34] and certainly don't like you know

[00:37:36] make them beg into next week.

[00:37:37] And then.

[00:37:38] It's a little easy to not make waves

[00:37:41] because of the outburst last time.

[00:37:42] It's so easy to just be like,

[00:37:44] hey guys listen, you know, Liz didn't get it last time.

[00:37:47] I feel really bad about that.

[00:37:49] It just isn't easy one for everyone to say,

[00:37:51] okay we get it.

[00:37:53] You can't really be mad because she,

[00:37:55] it was a tough situation.

[00:37:56] You know, anyway, we can stop talking about it.

[00:37:58] We, you know, everyone gets it but it was,

[00:38:00] that was bad.

[00:38:01] It was very unfortunate episode.

[00:38:03] It was a weird episode from Maria I thought

[00:38:05] because she actually gets I think a good outcome for her.

[00:38:07] This is the result spaces,

[00:38:09] you know, compared to the process

[00:38:11] because she gets a good outcome in Venus going.

[00:38:13] That looks great.

[00:38:14] But we know behind the scenes,

[00:38:16] doesn't have a launch against her.

[00:38:17] Number one is turning against her.

[00:38:18] Even Ben is more against Q.

[00:38:20] Like she wants to move forward with a group

[00:38:21] that is completely detached from each other

[00:38:23] and she's a major name.

[00:38:25] That lack of knowledge is so,

[00:38:27] so unfortunate for her.

[00:38:29] She's on borrowed time now.

[00:38:31] Like this is, this is unfortunate.

[00:38:32] So how do you look back at last week?

[00:38:35] You know, cause I definitely praised the move

[00:38:37] and I thought she could maintain that for

[00:38:39] and that did not happen.

[00:38:40] So do you look, do you look back at like

[00:38:41] that that was a mistake with Tiffany?

[00:38:43] Did she poke her head out too much peacocking?

[00:38:44] I think as Kenzie said,

[00:38:45] or was it necessary and then other mistakes were made?

[00:38:52] You know, I can't even,

[00:38:53] I like I've left it in the dust.

[00:38:55] I can't even go back Shannon to be honest

[00:38:57] and think about it.

[00:38:59] I just look at where she's at today.

[00:39:01] And is there a base on that?

[00:39:03] Cause everyone was upset about like how much

[00:39:05] she put herself forward.

[00:39:07] I think she was already becoming a threat

[00:39:09] if I remember correctly.

[00:39:11] So I just think that that added to it.

[00:39:13] Was it the right decision?

[00:39:14] I mean, I guess, I guess time will tell.

[00:39:17] Yeah.

[00:39:18] I thought it was like a two-part move,

[00:39:20] but I thought she could pull off the second part.

[00:39:21] The second part for me was maintaining the four,

[00:39:23] maintaining Q which two are credit she did,

[00:39:25] but it's also so public that she's maintained Q

[00:39:27] like even bends like to their faces.

[00:39:29] Like it's very blatant that you guys are a pair.

[00:39:31] Charlie pushes that before him and Maria being a pair

[00:39:34] then taking him on the reward makes that

[00:39:36] even more transparent.

[00:39:37] So, I mean, so that's its own threatening issue.

[00:39:41] And then I think for me, the issue isn't

[00:39:43] that she made the move.

[00:39:45] The issue is that she lost Charlie,

[00:39:47] which she probably was gonna do anyway.

[00:39:48] Maybe that pushed Charlie,

[00:39:50] but because she came even more of a shield

[00:39:52] and more of a threat than him.

[00:39:54] But for Kenzie to say he's been her jest

[00:39:55] all the whole time,

[00:39:57] if Charlie was gonna come for her at any point,

[00:39:59] I think that's the mistake is,

[00:40:01] how are you not retaining Charlie?

[00:40:03] How is he blindsiding you?

[00:40:04] How are his relationships better than yours?

[00:40:05] For me, it's losing the battle

[00:40:07] to Charlie in many, many ways.

[00:40:09] And that might have been impacted

[00:40:11] by making that move last week.

[00:40:12] But I also think it's its own bad thing

[00:40:14] and it's the worst part of her game so far.

[00:40:16] Yeah, I just think the one thing

[00:40:17] that you have to keep in mind is that there is,

[00:40:20] survivor is such that fine balance

[00:40:23] because you have to make the big moves

[00:40:25] that you have to do it in a way that is not so,

[00:40:34] I mean, they're never gonna be subtle.

[00:40:36] Yeah, loud.

[00:40:37] You just can't, I mean there's just a very fine line.

[00:40:40] And I think I'll take an example for my own season,

[00:40:43] season 38 when I was voted out with an eye on my pocket,

[00:40:45] it's fine, I own it, it's all good,

[00:40:47] it wasn't blindside.

[00:40:48] But look at what happened to War Dog right after that.

[00:40:51] Everyone was like,

[00:40:52] oh he's willing to take out his biggest ally?

[00:40:54] He's a big threat, he's gotta go.

[00:40:56] And then it happened to Ron, a voter too later.

[00:40:58] They're like, oh, now Ron's the biggest.

[00:41:00] So it's just you really have to be super careful

[00:41:02] about how you go about it and the timing of it.

[00:41:05] Not that that's, I mean everybody knows that

[00:41:07] but I'll take your word for it in terms of

[00:41:09] that voting order.

[00:41:11] I don't,

[00:41:12] not that we got to vote for it.

[00:41:13] I'll pay back to this season.

[00:41:15] No, and I do think, I mean look,

[00:41:16] we do hear that's the matter all the time.

[00:41:18] Maria said that was the matter

[00:41:20] and she's aware of the fact that she said it was risky.

[00:41:22] Like she threw herself out there,

[00:41:23] that's fine if you consolidate your numbers.

[00:41:25] Like if she was gonna be out there and be the threat

[00:41:27] and then get herself even closer to the end,

[00:41:29] because it's still pretty close

[00:41:30] and actually have Charlie like reliably,

[00:41:34] then she's protected against that.

[00:41:35] She's made the move, she's had a cake,

[00:41:36] she's eaten it too,

[00:41:37] but she's actually not eating the cake

[00:41:38] ironically even having won the reward.

[00:41:40] So I think that is the...

[00:41:42] If I'm thinking about it now,

[00:41:43] I think the major error is that if you do the move,

[00:41:47] you have to come back and just almost

[00:41:51] pretend you didn't make the move.

[00:41:53] Like you have to kind of save that for final tribal

[00:41:56] but you kind of have to like, yeah,

[00:41:57] again come back with your alliance to your point,

[00:41:59] make sure everything's good and almost be like,

[00:42:01] oh we did that together or like here's the reason.

[00:42:03] It does feel like she kind of took this position

[00:42:05] of like Queen B and I did that

[00:42:07] and that's never gonna go over well.

[00:42:10] Yeah, and didn't like Kevin immediately,

[00:42:12] like just suffer for that.

[00:42:14] I mean, she's not super aware of like Kevin's

[00:42:16] like close conversations, but as well,

[00:42:18] he came back and instead of saying to Liz,

[00:42:19] like look what we did,

[00:42:21] instead of saying to Charlie,

[00:42:22] like you know, and I think Charlie is smart enough

[00:42:24] that he wouldn't have fallen for it

[00:42:25] but like no one even pretended at any point

[00:42:28] that he was a part of that.

[00:42:28] You wanted 100% maybe what we do in New Era Survivor

[00:42:31] is we never make 100% of a move.

[00:42:33] I mean, Charlie even here, as I said,

[00:42:34] I really like him doing with Ben.

[00:42:36] Maybe we count ourselves in a partnership

[00:42:38] and maybe we're 50%,

[00:42:40] all the maybe make 50% of a lot of different moves

[00:42:42] instead of just like, I think being alone on anything,

[00:42:46] being the one like differentiator,

[00:42:49] the one kind of outlier who did this thing,

[00:42:52] that's loud, that's too big.

[00:42:54] So I think if she'd been able to be like,

[00:42:55] Charlie what are we doing with Tiffany moving?

[00:42:56] Exactly.

[00:42:57] And she was already more of a threat than him.

[00:42:59] So like let's carry it together

[00:43:00] and then I'll take credit for it

[00:43:01] when I take you out at like five.

[00:43:02] Exactly, that's exactly right.

[00:43:04] Maybe we should get to some questions.

[00:43:06] Okay, yeah, let's do it.

[00:43:07] We have a lot of questions

[00:43:09] and I'm going to read one of them.

[00:43:12] I'm ready.

[00:43:13] No, not that.

[00:43:15] Okay, Janine asked, does Q have a real shot?

[00:43:20] Q question.

[00:43:21] Listen, is Q giving like Tony Vlajkos vibes?

[00:43:26] Don't threaten me with a good time.

[00:43:28] I don't know.

[00:43:29] I believe it, I'm the usual.

[00:43:34] I cannot believe.

[00:43:36] You need to,

[00:43:37] because the more he goes on,

[00:43:38] the more he goes on and thinking,

[00:43:40] this guy, I cannot believe he's been so chaotic

[00:43:43] and doing all this stuff and he's still here.

[00:43:46] He threatened to quit and people kept him.

[00:43:49] And then could he be at the end and win this thing?

[00:43:52] I mean, I didn't think so until,

[00:43:54] I mean, I was decusional.

[00:43:55] I always believe Q.

[00:43:56] Q has literally yelled at me within the last week

[00:43:59] and a bit about not believing.

[00:44:01] So believe me, I believe it.

[00:44:02] I've always believed.

[00:44:04] Listen.

[00:44:05] Yeah.

[00:44:07] I don't know, I'm just saying.

[00:44:08] They said he's the head of the jury.

[00:44:10] This jury might be really weird.

[00:44:12] They might do,

[00:44:12] I wanna prepare people for the fact

[00:44:14] that I think the jury is gonna be very strange.

[00:44:16] Like I see it coming.

[00:44:17] These people, they're weird.

[00:44:19] I mean, they're funny.

[00:44:20] But you know what's funny?

[00:44:21] And listen, come for me in the comments or not.

[00:44:23] I actually wouldn't mind a Q win.

[00:44:25] And I know, I know a few episodes ago

[00:44:28] he was like throwing his hands up

[00:44:30] and that was not a strategy.

[00:44:31] And he said, vote me out whatever.

[00:44:32] We're looking past that now.

[00:44:34] I, listen, he's given a little villain.

[00:44:37] I'm here for it.

[00:44:38] I'm here for the chaotic energy out there.

[00:44:40] I'd be fine with the Q win.

[00:44:41] I'm not even gonna lie to you right now.

[00:44:43] I said what I said.

[00:44:44] I love it.

[00:44:45] I mean, would he be the best winner player?

[00:44:49] No, don't tell him I said that.

[00:44:50] I don't wanna be yelled at again.

[00:44:52] But no, I mean, I love Q.

[00:44:54] I think the game has been very messy

[00:44:56] with many, many mistakes.

[00:44:57] But big mistakes, I might say.

[00:45:00] But from a winner character perspective,

[00:45:03] I'm gonna have called him like

[00:45:04] a top three character of the new era.

[00:45:05] The journey would be amazing.

[00:45:07] I think he's brought the entertainment.

[00:45:08] I think it would do justice to a season

[00:45:10] that has been so unhinged for Q to win.

[00:45:13] It would be like Tony F skin.

[00:45:15] How did that happen?

[00:45:16] And it was the same thing with Kageyan

[00:45:17] like and not winners, it was much

[00:45:18] but like Kageyan that season was crazy.

[00:45:20] And then Tony when you were like,

[00:45:21] that's what the season needed.

[00:45:23] We've had that in like Survivor South Africa as well

[00:45:25] where it just made sense for the season.

[00:45:27] So I would love it in saying,

[00:45:29] okay, so he had a weird episode in that.

[00:45:32] I do think if Maria loses a challenge, she goes.

[00:45:36] Or Venus depending on how much Venus

[00:45:37] is playing herself out of the game.

[00:45:39] But then, so then when Maria wins,

[00:45:41] now he's on the back foot

[00:45:42] and then he's saved not by himself.

[00:45:44] Like Venus, he loses more than Q ever saves himself.

[00:45:48] But then who cares?

[00:45:49] He queues us, sorry.

[00:45:50] She queues us.

[00:45:52] I'm trying to speak Q.

[00:45:53] But yeah, if it doesn't really matter,

[00:45:56] like every week let him almost go home

[00:45:58] and then does it matter at the point

[00:46:00] where he's won the game of anything?

[00:46:01] He can probably turn that into an underdog narrative

[00:46:04] about why he should win.

[00:46:06] So the Q winner edit, Q is that you?

[00:46:11] Messing up the stream because you're upset.

[00:46:14] I said you couldn't win.

[00:46:15] Q, stop it.

[00:46:17] Stop messing up the stream.

[00:46:19] All right, we'll move on.

[00:46:19] We'll get Kelly's Q thoughts later.

[00:46:23] Do we have another question about,

[00:46:27] I think we had one about Kenzie.

[00:46:29] We had a question about,

[00:46:31] okay, Tabby Lunchbox, what does Kenzie have to do to win?

[00:46:34] Can she win against Charlie or Maria?

[00:46:37] So we'll wait a little bit.

[00:46:40] I feel like Kenzie has such a glowing win edit

[00:46:43] that if she were to win,

[00:46:44] I'd actually be mad at the edit for being so transparent.

[00:46:47] Like, okay, now back.

[00:46:50] Okay, good.

[00:46:52] Listen, I was just talking to myself over here.

[00:46:54] I was having a whole conversation.

[00:46:56] Like listen, Q, I have your back.

[00:46:58] Let it be known right here right now.

[00:47:00] Tell, I mean, I'm not a Kenzie,

[00:47:02] but I want to go back to Q.

[00:47:05] So okay, we think Q's gonna win.

[00:47:07] We're putting our chips on the table right now.

[00:47:09] No, I'm not doing that.

[00:47:11] But-

[00:47:12] I'm not gonna go so far as to do that,

[00:47:13] but it would be a very Tony chaotic type of ending.

[00:47:18] I would be here for it is all I'm saying.

[00:47:19] This is already such a fun post merge.

[00:47:22] Like it really gives me Micronesia vibes,

[00:47:24] especially with all of the immunity blind sides.

[00:47:28] And it also, I feel like it is in the pantheon

[00:47:30] of like bad pre-merge, good post merge seasons.

[00:47:34] Now maybe the most stark example of that that now exists.

[00:47:38] And if Q wins, it's so good.

[00:47:41] If it carries on like this,

[00:47:42] like it's already, it's my second favorite new era season,

[00:47:45] which if you told me that in like episode four,

[00:47:46] I'd be like impossible.

[00:47:47] That's how good I feel this has been.

[00:47:49] And yet Q win would just be so interesting.

[00:47:51] But so now we're talking about Kenzie.

[00:47:53] What do you think Kenzie has to do to win?

[00:47:54] Cause I feel things that she has such a winner edit

[00:47:57] that like she even came back from being blindsided

[00:47:59] and was like, but now she was the underdog again.

[00:48:00] Like now she had, you know,

[00:48:03] like she had this other thing of her story

[00:48:05] and she's talking about correcting it.

[00:48:06] And even in losing leverage in this episode,

[00:48:08] I felt like she had like just like another glowing edit.

[00:48:13] What does she have to do to win?

[00:48:14] I mean, here's the thing is that

[00:48:16] Kenzie's game was so interesting

[00:48:18] because as I was watched as I remember her

[00:48:20] in the pre-merge and I was kind of saying like,

[00:48:21] wow, she's kind of getting this like negative type edit.

[00:48:25] And then she almost had this episode

[00:48:27] where it almost flipped and it was being this almost

[00:48:30] like Emily flippin type thing.

[00:48:33] A little bit.

[00:48:35] Yeah, the flip tribal win that she won immunity

[00:48:37] and Q of all people was like, look at Kenzie.

[00:48:39] She's so cool and great and she won the challenge

[00:48:42] and she's so, she brought us up.

[00:48:44] Even just her confessionals

[00:48:45] and what producers were showing us

[00:48:46] that kind of gave us this new, I don't,

[00:48:49] I just felt it maybe it was just me.

[00:48:50] Maybe other people didn't see that.

[00:48:52] But I kind of thought, that's interesting.

[00:48:54] Like she kind of went from this like sassy little,

[00:48:57] you know, bad edit to like a better one.

[00:48:59] And so I could see it.

[00:49:01] I mean, I guess it would depend who she's against.

[00:49:06] All I can say is I do think she could win.

[00:49:08] Yeah.

[00:49:09] I almost think like I'm looking at the board.

[00:49:10] I almost think everyone except for Ben

[00:49:13] has a shot to win.

[00:49:14] Not Ben?

[00:49:15] Even, no, everyone except.

[00:49:17] But you think Ben is the only one who doesn't?

[00:49:21] No.

[00:49:21] Maybe Liz.

[00:49:22] Maybe Liz.

[00:49:23] Liz got a dreaded sleep edit.

[00:49:26] She started a couple of times as someone who loves sleep.

[00:49:28] True, but.

[00:49:29] I'm continuously insulted by the sleep edit.

[00:49:31] But not only did she get the sleep edit today,

[00:49:33] did you see she was snoring?

[00:49:34] And I think they added that in post.

[00:49:36] The snoring edit is like the evolution

[00:49:38] of the sleep edit to be even worse.

[00:49:40] No one who snored on Survivor can win

[00:49:42] unless it was intentionless.

[00:49:43] Unless it was like Tyson,

[00:49:44] but snoring is just bad.

[00:49:47] Okay, four out of six.

[00:49:48] Maria could win, Q could win,

[00:49:51] Kenzie could win.

[00:49:52] You don't think that.

[00:49:54] And Charlie, that's the fourth.

[00:49:55] Charlie could win?

[00:49:57] I can see if a Ben in ways

[00:49:58] because I don't know about this jury.

[00:50:00] I could see it for everyone else.

[00:50:02] And Pugh was probably the second leaves.

[00:50:04] Liz with the sleeping edit.

[00:50:06] And to be fair, it's not only the sleeping edit.

[00:50:08] I do think that's the issue of the perception of Liz,

[00:50:11] which is even like the soda vote

[00:50:13] that she felt like she should have got credit.

[00:50:14] It looked like she was really passive

[00:50:16] and she was lying on the beach

[00:50:16] and people were coming up to her.

[00:50:19] And that means that you aren't gonna be able

[00:50:20] to claim the agency as much.

[00:50:21] And I think it's valid as much as it's insulting

[00:50:23] from an edit perspective,

[00:50:24] again, as someone who loves sleep for them to use that.

[00:50:27] But I think it matters to the way she's perceived.

[00:50:29] And I also think for Liz, didn't she need,

[00:50:31] like for her losing Venus,

[00:50:33] it wasn't, again, she didn't have the numbers,

[00:50:34] but like she really needed Venus, I think.

[00:50:36] I've criticized her before for voting for Q.

[00:50:38] I think like, so next to Q, see how it goes.

[00:50:41] Maybe he wins, but maybe, maybe he really doesn't.

[00:50:43] You know, so for Liz,

[00:50:44] I kind of felt like Venus and Q,

[00:50:47] but then looking tonight,

[00:50:48] I don't know if she even wanna beat Venus

[00:50:50] who had some relationships

[00:50:51] and I don't know that she beats Q.

[00:50:53] So maybe she was already drawing dead

[00:50:54] and I think she definitely, definitely, definitely is now.

[00:50:57] I could see that.

[00:50:58] Yeah.

[00:50:59] So for Liz, I don't even know how to analyze Liz's moves

[00:51:02] through the rest of the game

[00:51:02] because I don't see any way for her to win.

[00:51:05] Whereas like for Ben and for Kenzie,

[00:51:08] firstly, I don't understand this jury so much.

[00:51:10] As I just said, I think I know

[00:51:11] they'll not vote for Liz,

[00:51:12] but I really don't feel good about Liz's chances,

[00:51:14] but I don't really understand, you know, would Kenzie,

[00:51:17] as the question asked,

[00:51:18] would Kenzie beat Charlie or Maria,

[00:51:19] do you think in a Vana tribal council?

[00:51:22] I would say probably not unless,

[00:51:25] unless those two try to take moves from each other

[00:51:29] and she's able to come out as this kind of like

[00:51:32] a third person.

[00:51:33] It's, you never know.

[00:51:35] Yeah.

[00:51:35] You never know.

[00:51:36] Yeah.

[00:51:37] I mean, I think you won,

[00:51:38] but I would say probably no

[00:51:39] would be my initial thought.

[00:51:42] I think you won Charlie and Maria out before the final three.

[00:51:44] I think both of them probably have a good shot

[00:51:46] at final four, they've won challenges.

[00:51:47] I bet they're great at fire as people who like overprep

[00:51:50] for this game, you never know with fire,

[00:51:51] but could go really well.

[00:51:53] And I think Charlie,

[00:51:54] as much as she called him the jester

[00:51:55] would speak to his game really well.

[00:51:56] Maria, as much as she's upset people

[00:51:58] would be able to talk about the big game moves

[00:52:01] that I think this jury will like.

[00:52:03] So with Q as a target

[00:52:04] and that taking up a possible round,

[00:52:08] I feel like they're getting through

[00:52:10] and then I don't know that she beats them.

[00:52:12] This is a similar kind of issue that I have with Ben

[00:52:14] who I don't know has enough time now to get to a final three,

[00:52:18] a definite final three where he'll win

[00:52:19] and a lot might depend on fire.

[00:52:21] But I don't, I think she's gonna win

[00:52:23] from an edit perspective and I don't,

[00:52:25] maybe it's just that it's,

[00:52:28] Charlie somehow loses a fire.

[00:52:30] Is that it?

[00:52:31] And then Kenzie goes with Ben and Q.

[00:52:33] You can see that, but it's a lot rest on chance

[00:52:36] if that's what's gonna happen.

[00:52:38] Yeah, I'm just thinking out loud

[00:52:39] because my head is-

[00:52:40] No, you're good.

[00:52:41] I'm just sitting here just taking it all in,

[00:52:44] thinking about it.

[00:52:44] I mean once Q has been said that he could win

[00:52:47] everything like the sky is green.

[00:52:49] So I'm like trying to work out

[00:52:51] what's happening with that.

[00:52:53] But yeah, it's really, really interesting.

[00:52:56] Should we give some Chizzy points?

[00:52:58] Yes, let's do it.

[00:52:58] And then answer a couple more questions.

[00:53:00] Who do you feel were the first, second and third

[00:53:03] best players of the episode for the Chizzy?

[00:53:07] It's one, two and three, right?

[00:53:08] Yeah.

[00:53:10] So I think number three has to go to,

[00:53:15] I had written this down earlier.

[00:53:16] No, I forgot.

[00:53:19] So there's three points or who's third?

[00:53:23] Third.

[00:53:24] Okay, third, yeah, one point.

[00:53:27] I'm gonna give that to, there's so few people.

[00:53:33] Yeah, and a lot of them did not play that well.

[00:53:36] I know, I'm having enough time.

[00:53:38] I'm gonna give number three to Q.

[00:53:43] Okay, I thought about it too.

[00:53:44] Well, big Q episode,

[00:53:46] Q back on the floor on the TV after he detonated

[00:53:49] the episode ago, why Q?

[00:53:53] I just think just because he got out of the vote again.

[00:53:58] It's like, I mean, you got through another time

[00:54:00] so you have to give them third.

[00:54:02] I think number two,

[00:54:05] I'm actually gonna give it to Kenzie.

[00:54:10] And then number one is Charlie.

[00:54:12] Yeah, I think-

[00:54:13] Because this was a really not a great episode

[00:54:14] for a lot of people.

[00:54:15] It really was.

[00:54:16] So that's really all I got.

[00:54:17] It made it pretty tough.

[00:54:19] I'm gonna give, well, I'll start.

[00:54:20] So one point, I did consider Q.

[00:54:23] Now I'm struggling to remember why Q.

[00:54:26] Because they said he could win.

[00:54:27] I think that was it, that I was like, oh okay.

[00:54:29] Like if the jury are getting any chance to Q,

[00:54:31] this is a very different situation than what I thought

[00:54:33] but I don't think he saved himself

[00:54:34] and I do think he's been in trouble

[00:54:37] and is playing without power

[00:54:38] and like Maria seems to kind of be on borrowed time.

[00:54:41] So I couldn't give it to him.

[00:54:42] So I'm gonna give one point to Kenzie again.

[00:54:44] Didn't get what she wanted,

[00:54:45] but like it was especially like on thinking about it more

[00:54:48] that I was like, that she wasn't as bad

[00:54:50] for her, I don't really think she was the target.

[00:54:52] I think the way that Charlie has invested in her

[00:54:54] is very positive.

[00:54:56] So one point to Kenzie.

[00:54:58] Two points to Ben.

[00:55:00] I worry about him halfway

[00:55:01] but I think he and Charlie are key here.

[00:55:03] We got a question about, you know

[00:55:05] who's gonna come for Maria and Q

[00:55:07] if Charlie and Ben and Maria's henchmen from Sappy Panda.

[00:55:10] That's what Sappy Panda asked.

[00:55:12] I don't think that they are Maria's henchmen.

[00:55:14] I know that Charlie is not.

[00:55:15] And it feels like Ben,

[00:55:16] he's already willing to go after Q.

[00:55:17] So it feels like he's separating from Maria as well.

[00:55:20] I think they're the two in the middle

[00:55:21] and they have a lot of power.

[00:55:23] So for him it's taking that power

[00:55:24] and somehow dealing with the Charlie issue

[00:55:26] and for Charlie it's just moving forward

[00:55:27] with that extreme control

[00:55:29] and timing it right in terms of taking up Q Maria.

[00:55:32] Now you're in the final four, now maybe you won.

[00:55:34] So good job for that.

[00:55:35] And for that three points to Charlie.

[00:55:37] The timing, the thought process behind it.

[00:55:39] I think Venus made sense as a vote

[00:55:41] at the point where they'd had the interaction.

[00:55:42] I think Q made sense as the vote a lot for him

[00:55:45] before that had happened

[00:55:46] which is what he was going with.

[00:55:48] He's in all the conversations.

[00:55:49] The soft skills are so, so good.

[00:55:51] And I think he's in a really great place with that.

[00:55:53] So he's currently well ahead in the Chivis.

[00:55:57] Yeah, so he's so sorry.

[00:55:58] So Charlie gets three, Kenzie gets two, Q gets one.

[00:56:01] I did it opposite of you.

[00:56:01] No, yeah, no, I, yeah.

[00:56:03] Well Charlie gets three for me as well.

[00:56:04] And two to Ben and then one to Kenzie.

[00:56:09] So let's see what other questions we have.

[00:56:13] Nope, these are all 39 days.

[00:56:15] I think we've spoken about this 39 day.

[00:56:19] Bianca, why do the remaining players perceive Q

[00:56:20] as a threat?

[00:56:21] No one likes them and he threatened to quit.

[00:56:24] Said it, say it.

[00:56:24] You know, say what you really need.

[00:56:26] Why do they see Qs?

[00:56:26] Is it because of the matter of like big loud player

[00:56:30] doing big loud things that's Q to a T,

[00:56:32] literally Q to a T?

[00:56:33] Yeah.

[00:56:34] Probably, yeah.

[00:56:35] Yeah, probably.

[00:56:38] Yeah, I mean.

[00:56:39] The bigger personality, the louder you are.

[00:56:41] That's true.

[00:56:42] Yeah, that's true.

[00:56:43] It just stands out more.

[00:56:45] Yeah, someone, okay, let's see what else.

[00:56:49] Doug Orlean says, are there two other idols out there too

[00:56:52] or has that one idol been there since Gem went out?

[00:56:56] I think it was replanted.

[00:56:58] I would guess it was planted when Tiffany went out.

[00:57:00] I think just Segal losing the idol

[00:57:02] wouldn't necessarily plant another one.

[00:57:05] And then I don't think that they plant two

[00:57:07] because Tiffany, well, sorry, Hunter,

[00:57:10] when Hunter, I've forgotten how many people went with idols.

[00:57:12] When Hunter went out, I think maybe one was planted

[00:57:14] or definitely when Tiffany went out.

[00:57:17] I would guess would be that there was one planted

[00:57:20] when Hunter left and there was one planted

[00:57:21] when Tiffany left.

[00:57:22] You think there's another one?

[00:57:23] We've only found one.

[00:57:24] I think so.

[00:57:25] I think they would just hide one.

[00:57:26] I mean, usually they replace.

[00:57:28] Yeah, I think this late in the game,

[00:57:30] you just keep it at one,

[00:57:32] but they'll re-hide Venus's now.

[00:57:34] Let's look at like, so the fate of the people who,

[00:57:39] I'm just having a thought.

[00:57:40] The fate of the people who had the idols,

[00:57:45] we said on the rap draft check-in

[00:57:46] that the first three draft picks

[00:57:49] or went home with an idol was Venus the fourth pick.

[00:57:51] Can the chat tell me if Venus was the fourth pick?

[00:57:53] Did we draft four people in a row

[00:57:55] who went home with an idol?

[00:57:56] I need the chat to let me know,

[00:57:57] but I think that is right.

[00:57:58] So, Ranton, who got many back with an idol,

[00:58:00] had the best fate of someone with an idol on this season.

[00:58:04] That's not a good track record.

[00:58:07] Shannon, I don't know what's going on.

[00:58:08] I'm just here.

[00:58:11] I don't, well, I mean, like Ranton-

[00:58:14] I don't know what this draft thing is.

[00:58:16] No, okay, that was me thinking out loud again

[00:58:18] that I'm like, I think we draft the first four picks

[00:58:20] of the RGP draft were now four people

[00:58:23] who've gone home with an idol, I think.

[00:58:25] Four four.

[00:58:26] Yeah, it's not been a good season for me in my fantasy.

[00:58:29] I've been, I have been, well,

[00:58:31] because I have my typical strategy,

[00:58:34] if anybody plays that with me,

[00:58:35] now you're gonna know.

[00:58:36] I almost always, like if someone has an idol

[00:58:38] because there's extra points

[00:58:39] for the first person that plays an idol,

[00:58:41] so I always pick that person.

[00:58:43] And that has done me dirty on Hunter and on Tiffany.

[00:58:47] Oh my God, yeah.

[00:58:48] Like negative points.

[00:58:49] So yeah, it's been a strange season for sure.

[00:58:54] Not typical.

[00:58:55] If the curse continues,

[00:58:56] Kendi's about to go home with an idol and then Maria.

[00:58:58] So that might be the next two rounds.

[00:59:00] If someone else without an idol this season,

[00:59:02] it is truly, truly all time.

[00:59:07] Someone saying that Ranton did not have an idol,

[00:59:09] that idol became, oh yeah, he had like the beware,

[00:59:11] he would've got this.

[00:59:11] Like the people get there and do not get beware.

[00:59:14] I mean, for me, he had the idol,

[00:59:16] he was gonna get the idol.

[00:59:17] I believe in Ranton that he could've done that.

[00:59:19] But do we have anything else, Kelly?

[00:59:21] Is there anything else to talk about from this episode?

[00:59:24] What else?

[00:59:25] I think we covered it.

[00:59:26] I think we covered it.

[00:59:27] We covered the funny stuff.

[00:59:28] We covered who we think could win.

[00:59:29] We covered the Venus stuff and I think we did good.

[00:59:32] Who were you?

[00:59:33] Under an hour, we're doing good here.

[00:59:35] I gotta go get a bite to eat.

[00:59:36] I'm feeling, yeah, I think we did great, Shannon.

[00:59:39] Who are you putting your chips on for the winner?

[00:59:43] Listen, I already said,

[00:59:45] I'm going cute with a, call me crazy, but listen,

[00:59:51] don't at me or do.

[00:59:54] Well, he was like, choose the fun pick

[00:59:57] and Kenzie's the edit pick and Charlie's the game pick.

[01:00:00] Like Charlie's in such a good spot.

[01:00:02] Like he should, like I can see his path so clearly,

[01:00:05] like Q, Maria, fire, done.

[01:00:08] And then articulate the moves

[01:00:09] because all of that makes so much sense

[01:00:10] and I think he could speak about it so, so well.

[01:00:13] Only just depends.

[01:00:14] Just depends how the jury's feeling.

[01:00:17] That's it.

[01:00:18] Well, I really, I think he's in a really great spot,

[01:00:21] but I think a lot of people are gonna be pretty devastated

[01:00:23] about the fact that Venus, you know,

[01:00:26] unanimously voted out pretty much with an idol.

[01:00:29] And like the fact that like,

[01:00:30] well, she hadn't shared it with anyone

[01:00:32] and then no one cared to tell her

[01:00:34] and also no one knew that there was an option

[01:00:36] if they told her.

[01:00:37] So here's a very, very upsetting time for Venus.

[01:00:40] Venus would work any last words on Venus.

[01:00:42] She obviously gave so much of the,

[01:00:44] she'll be back.

[01:00:45] Yeah.

[01:00:46] She'll be back.

[01:00:46] 50? Is that it?

[01:00:47] Yeah.

[01:00:48] She pre-gave me.

[01:00:49] Yeah.

[01:00:50] No, I'm not pre-gave.

[01:00:51] No, not you.

[01:00:52] She was just going back on 50.

[01:00:53] Don't look this direction.

[01:00:54] I'm not going back on saying that.

[01:00:55] No.

[01:00:56] See, hasn't it not been an upsetting enough night anyway

[01:00:58] with Venus going now?

[01:00:59] You have to give the people that.

[01:01:00] Like I feel like they'll be so upset by that.

[01:01:05] Venus probably will be back.

[01:01:06] I feel like Venus will be with you.

[01:01:09] So much of the reason this season

[01:01:10] has been what it has been

[01:01:11] and it's the reason people will yell at each other

[01:01:13] at Tribeca, just yelling all the time.

[01:01:15] You just play as yelling at each other.

[01:01:15] She'll be back.

[01:01:17] I don't know about Liz.

[01:01:18] I don't think Liz will be back.

[01:01:19] But that's why I think we have to really

[01:01:21] just like enjoy what we have

[01:01:22] is if it's an Applebees burger

[01:01:24] because I don't think that they will

[01:01:25] necessarily understand what Liz 2.0 could bring.

[01:01:29] But I think she's so iconic now.

[01:01:30] Like Liz is like a nostalgic save in real time.

[01:01:34] Like we're doing it now.

[01:01:35] Like we know how iconic it is right now

[01:01:37] which I think is great.

[01:01:38] But yeah, chances are coming back.

[01:01:40] I think a slim and chances of winning

[01:01:41] a Stemhouse Slimmer, but they've been great.

[01:01:44] Do we have the plugs, Scott?

[01:01:46] So that yes, we do.

[01:01:48] Okay, let's find out.

[01:01:49] Okay, Big Brother Canada, that's coming up right now.

[01:01:52] Well, very, very soon on this.

[01:01:54] Yeah, I think 1115 ET.

[01:01:56] So check that out.

[01:01:58] Season finale, Big Brother, Backyard,

[01:02:00] X interview, season 12 finale.

[01:02:02] Well, Big Brother Canada moving on.

[01:02:06] All of the Survivor shows.

[01:02:07] There won't be Survivor Global this week

[01:02:08] because I'm here, but the nodals with Steven,

[01:02:10] the X interview with Venus,

[01:02:11] which I think is going to be probably very fiery.

[01:02:15] I don't think she's gonna take this quietly

[01:02:17] in a Venus way, so I'm interested in that.

[01:02:19] Feedback show, YX loss, the B&B,

[01:02:22] Purple Pass podcast, Club Condo as well.

[01:02:24] So really fun content coming up.

[01:02:27] Obviously we're also gonna have,

[01:02:28] this might be in the plugs,

[01:02:29] but we're gonna have the live show.

[01:02:30] They're in Chicago right now.

[01:02:31] We hate them so much.

[01:02:33] So jealous.

[01:02:34] So there's gonna be the live show.

[01:02:35] They've got such a great role

[01:02:37] or close to episode for the live show.

[01:02:39] I feel people must have been really excited

[01:02:41] when Venus found the idol

[01:02:43] and then it just went off a cliff.

[01:02:44] So that was probably a lot for them moving on.

[01:02:49] Deal on Odeon Island finale preview

[01:02:51] with Ono, don't maybe say his last name.

[01:02:53] Joe, Mrs X Sophie Fagara.

[01:02:57] Is it Sophia Fagara?

[01:02:58] I don't even know.

[01:02:59] Yeah.

[01:03:00] So okay, great.

[01:03:02] I can't say Manjinello.

[01:03:04] Do you wanna try?

[01:03:06] No, I'm good.

[01:03:07] That's all you.

[01:03:08] I'm really bad at it.

[01:03:09] I botch names all the time.

[01:03:10] It is a, it's really embarrassing for me.

[01:03:11] I didn't know that I was going to have to say it

[01:03:14] and it caught me by surprise.

[01:03:15] I think you did.

[01:03:16] I think you did well too.

[01:03:17] We were back to work.

[01:03:17] You're doing great.

[01:03:18] I wanna see it.

[01:03:19] I wanna see that.

[01:03:20] I've never said it out loud.

[01:03:21] Manjinello.

[01:03:23] Is that it?

[01:03:25] He was married to her, right?

[01:03:27] Sophia Fagara?

[01:03:29] He was.

[01:03:30] Don't know.

[01:03:31] He was.

[01:03:32] I think you, I'm gonna look all this up.

[01:03:33] Anyway, Dylan O'Dillian continuing.

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[01:04:03] Oh, Kelly, this has been so much fun.

[01:04:05] Has the chat been enjoying it?

[01:04:07] Has every, I hope everyone,

[01:04:08] okay, someone said manjinello.

[01:04:10] Why is there an I?

[01:04:11] Manjinello, that sounds good.

[01:04:13] Manjinello.

[01:04:14] You have to say it fast.

[01:04:16] Just say it fast.

[01:04:17] Manjinello.

[01:04:17] There you go.

[01:04:18] Manjinello.

[01:04:19] Yeah.

[01:04:20] Okay.

[01:04:21] See?

[01:04:22] Look, it's easier than what I say before.

[01:04:22] Super secret split.

[01:04:23] Oh no, that wasn't whatever it was.

[01:04:25] Smoke screen split.

[01:04:28] Yeah.

[01:04:28] Oh, and people, you know,

[01:04:29] the rap hoodie for the Q skirt.

[01:04:31] So look, this has been a lot of fun.

[01:04:35] It's been great.

[01:04:36] Thanks for having me.

[01:04:36] Thank you for coming on.

[01:04:37] I am so excited about the season.

[01:04:39] I truly feel like this post merge is all time.

[01:04:42] I don't know where it's gonna go.

[01:04:43] As you said, it's a pretty open field

[01:04:45] by who can win from probably an edit and game perspective.

[01:04:49] And I'm sure it's going to shock us.

[01:04:50] So yeah, this was so much fun.

[01:04:52] Thank you so much Kelly.

[01:04:54] Thank you.

[01:04:55] Thanks everyone.

[01:04:55] Thanks everyone for listening.

[01:04:56] Thank you to our team behind the scenes.

[01:04:57] Thank you Rob for having us on while you're in Chicago.

[01:05:00] I hope it's not as fun as it is in my mind.

[01:05:01] But thank you everyone and we'll see you next time.

[01:05:04] Bye.

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