This week, Mike and Liana are joined by Sasha Joseph for episode 3.[00:00:00] Mike and the Anna gather playing some games. You better pray to your mama that they're not super late. And if that all sounds cool, I can tell you the name. It's the R-H-A-U.
[00:00:33] Hi, everybody, and welcome to the R-H-A-P B&B for week three of Survivor 48. My name is Mike Bloom, and for you eagle-eyed viewers who watched the video version of this last week, yes, I am still wearing the pizza shirt, not only in honor of our fallen brethren, but look, I am, for lack of a better phrase, committing to the bit.
[00:00:56] And we have a lot to get into with the episode of the same name, a tribal council that takes up a third of the episode, a journey that's all about dice, dice, literally dice. And as we finish off one phase of this wild season and look ahead to the next, of course, I am joined by someone who would never be described as dry and empty, unlike a nice island white wine. It is Liana Boris. Liana, how are you?
[00:01:23] I'm doing well. I also like the idea that you've been wearing the pizza shirt the entire week. Like, you have not taken it off, not that you took it off and put it back on, so I'm living in that reality. And also, similarly to what you mentioned in the intro, I could not get over Thomas going, dice? Dice? Like, dice? I don't know why that really made me laugh. It was giving Arrested Development B? Eep. That's exactly, or like Seinfeld of just like the back and forth, like dice, dice, really dice.
[00:01:52] Thomas and Bianca were honestly like soulmates made for each other. As much as we're going to talk about another sort of platonic ideal of a couple in a much more toxic way in Mary Ann Say, that one truly feels like a match made in heaven that might soon be torn apart by the upcoming swap. But first, we got to get into how we finished up the pre-swap phase of this, to see maybe the final sinking of the Vula ship. And someone who is there boots on the ground in maybe not the room where it happens,
[00:02:19] but a room full of many, many people that have already gone viral, reacting to all the shenanigans that went down. And she was probably part of that throng. Very excited to welcome back to the B&B, Sasha Joseph. I'm here. What an episode. The mess is here, baby. Yes, exactly. Like, truly, you are a mess magnet. And this tribe is a magnet for a lot of mess, considering that through three episodes,
[00:02:47] Cedric has not only voted for all five members of his tribe, he somehow, through three rounds of voting, voted all the other people at tribal council besides himself, which he was not allowed to do, but also feasibly could because of these rules where he could have auto-rocked himself out of the game. That's what I'm saying. There was a universe when all of this was happening, where I thought, oh my God, Cedric's gonna have to go home. Like, Cedric's gonna have to vote for himself and eliminate himself. Everybody else is safe.
[00:03:16] This was, when they started going to tribal council, I looked down at my little clock, because I'm taking notes. It's 9.09. 9.09 and we're going to tribal council, baby. This was way too early for any of this to be happening. It was just such a bizarre, weird episode, but really, really fun. Yeah. Again, it's just, I'm not a survivor girly, and then I feel like I'm a casual. I get excited about the episode, and then I'll, like, forget about it most of the time.
[00:03:46] But I don't know if I get any... Can you call that, like, the goldfish level of survivor fan? Oh, thank you. You know what? I love that even better. So I will be using that now. Thanks, Mike. But yes, that's where I am. And it feels really exciting to be, like, gifted with the opportunity to watch this episode with fans, because as soon as everything happened, because I knew from the East Coast, I didn't watch anything, but I'd heard that it's a crazy tribal council.
[00:04:15] So I'm like, oh, waiting for it. Okay, something crazy will happen. Fine. And the levels of chaos that kept coming and coming, I said, oh, okay, Cedric goes home. That was a crazy way for this to happen. So I'm just, in my mind, I already created that dynamic. So thank you to Survivor 48 for that. Well, so from that perspective, I do want to ask Sasha, because, look, there's a lot to get into. This episode was nothing if not eventful,
[00:04:42] but I do see a bit of a split opinion online. I certainly have seen some people be like, 10 out of 10 episode, maximum drama. I mean, look, certainly for Team Mess, we'd love to see a situation where both Say and Mary continue in the game. We'd love to see a situation where Cedric keeps saying, despite voting her out twice in the same night. On the other hand, I have seen people talk about how convoluted and sometimes confusing the series of events are. Obviously, we'll get into everything that happened in the journey.
[00:05:12] I even saw one person say that, like, this episode kind of represents from a production perspective, everything they don't like about the new era. So from your self-amated goldfish perspective, Sasha, give us the bullseye view here. As all of this was going down, were you kind of following along with it or were you just more so reading the vibes of what was happening? Talk about gifts, because I was watching this. It felt like a one-on-one VIP thing that I won
[00:05:41] with the Danielle race. When I tell y'all, it felt like, so we were like to a corner. So yes, I could follow along. And I knew what was going on. But I just felt like, and this is, I think, what everyone online is also doing. Every single one of us had a different desired outcome or desired process, rather. I should even say, I don't know about outcome. So we all had a desired process and each of us had different process.
[00:06:11] So for me, I was watching and I said, okay, Mary's out. Cool. That's easy. In my basic mind, I should have blacked out Mary, right? Or grade her out. She doesn't count. Okay, Justin does not count. Now, Say does not count. And it's all Cedric, right? That would have been helpful. But in reality, yeah, I felt like I could understand everything, except, and I still don't necessarily agree with it, that after the second re-vote, where Cedric forces another tie,
[00:06:41] you're out of here. Goodbye. Okay. Cedric, don't, what are we doing here? He got to go. So that's the only piece where I felt a little bit lost and I was excited to like, hear what everyone else, smarter than me, was trying to theorize. Well, I mean, I think part of it is, there's the core rules that have pretty much always existed about deadlock ties. And so from everything moving forward from the shot in the dark, where it's a null vote, okay, we re-vote again.
[00:07:10] All of that protocol was standard protocol that has existed in Survivor for a long time, right? So I think probably where a lot of the criticism and concerns maybe are coming from is from everything sort of prior to that, right? Like the shot, the addition of the shot in the dark, Justin losing his vote. And I've seen a lot of criticism about the fact that he lost his vote, not because he couldn't complete a puzzle or he couldn't complete a physical challenge, just purely because of dumb luck. Like he didn't roll the die in the right way. So I think, and then that's also,
[00:07:40] I think on top of that, he didn't even choose to go on the journey. Someone else chose for him. So I can understand a situation where, well, if Justin volunteered, Justin recognizes the risks that there's an opportunity for him to lose his vote, but he didn't get that opportunity. He was forced to go. He was forced to play the game and then through chance lost his vote. So I think that from my understanding, I think that's more where a lot of the frustration is coming from, not necessarily from like all the voting nonsense, which just happened as a consequence
[00:08:09] of all of the other advantages or lack of love. Well, what's interesting is to your point about like standard protocol. There are these precedents that have been set up some recent, some previous of like, okay, in the past, when it was tied vote between two people, those two, two people usually don't vote because, hey, they would only vote for each other and cancel each other out. But we found out last season, hey, if somebody lost a vote, theoretically, if everyone got their vote in the tiebreaker, then those votes wouldn't cancel each other out.
[00:08:39] So the balance is thrown off. So say you get it. And then again, to that point about the deadlock, whenever we have had like the Purple Rock scenario, we even saw this in 42, right after the deadlock, there was conversation among the people that would be vulnerable. It's just in this case, it was one person. And I think this to me falls upon, and again, some people were absolutely riveted by this and I enjoyed the mess it created, again, as someone who team chaos all the way. At the same time,
[00:09:09] this felt to me like a confluence of factors that just don't work in the six person tribe structure, right? Like, there's a reason why in the individual portion of the game, you don't have a shot in the dark at the final four. You don't have people losing their votes at the final four. The only reason why Cedric was the lone decider of one of these people's fates is because there were only four people on the tribe. And I know it's this whole thing about keeping track of people in smaller groups
[00:09:38] or like the dangerous fun of there's nowhere to hide. But this really was just such a perfect unfortunate storm, not only for Justin, but I think for the show in general that you had the Sean, the dark combining with the lost vote combined with this one, one continuous deadlock that it then came down to this one person determining the course of the entire tribe. So I, I have a question for y'all that I was holding as well because yes,
[00:10:08] exactly what the two of you said, right? Liana, you talking about Justin going on the journey plus Mike where you're saying it's kind of unprecedented because of where we are, right? Or maybe it's precedented because of where we are, however you want to take that. And my question was, could they have added another rule, right? Like a whole new rule because, hey, now we've never been here before, but this is now a very real possibility because of all these new game mechanics that Justin didn't have a chance, right?
[00:10:37] Or it was rather all left a chance. So does that mean that say and Justin go directly to fire so that everyone has a chance to fight for themselves because all agency was taken away from Justin and even say, because like in normal, like things, they would both have been safe, right? Like, and then you can't vote for people that are tied anymore. Yeah, it would have been, it would have been if Mary did not lose her vote, it would have been a discussion between
[00:11:07] the two of them as correct. Okay, do we continue to deadlock this? And then it would be a rock draw between the two of us. Okay. And to your point, let's go back to Survivor history. The rock draw was first introduced in the final four of Survivor Mark cases. They realized after Pascal went, oh no, that was a bad idea because theoretically even by the rules, like they did a rock draw between three people. It should have actually been only Pascal who ended up getting eliminated automatically. So they said, okay, now it expires at like final five, final six, and we'll do fire
[00:11:39] it permanently. So yeah, I do kind of wonder if that should have been a stipulation they threw in rather than kind of pursuing this route that they did. I don't know. I think it's interesting because essentially your appeal, you like Justin and say both had the opportunity to appeal to Cedric, right? I mean, that's what we see this conversation be. So, okay, so Mary saves herself via mechanism in the game. Now you have two people who are essentially at the behest of
[00:12:08] their social relationship with Cedric. And that's really ultimately what it comes down to. And I, I heard that this tribal council actually went on for much longer than what we saw. So like two hours of arguing. Justin alleged to me that it was like, he said that apparently production said it was one of like the longest, you know, non-final tribal councils in the show's history. Right. So they had a lot of time to really advocate. I mean, at least that's what it sounds like. What we saw though was obviously not so much, but that is Survivor. Survivor is using
[00:12:38] your social game to make moves. And Justin seemingly had it on lock with his relationship with Cedric. Cedric was willing to send Cedric home, voted for Cedric twice to send her home. And then Justin maybe as a consequence of the poor decision to not tell Cedric about his lost vote, which I was shocked that he didn't say anything to Cedric. But whatever. the convoluted game of the red question marks and the white question marks wasn't a alien story. Don't even get me
[00:13:08] started on that. Okay, so he says that you can win three things, comfort, shelter, food, or wait, nothing. There's four options. Yeah. To die, there's red or white question marks. So how would you get all white dye and then you just randomly get one of the four options? What does that even mean? Play the Thomas clip. Dice? Dice? Dice? I mean, that would have been that would be like the fullest extent. To your point, like, again,
[00:13:36] there was a lot of some would say Mario Party-esque shenanigans that went down to get the outcome that we did. I think that would be at least a bit of a bridge too far of like, all right, you're going to roll these two dice that don't have anything on them, just white and red question marks. And we are going to determine what you get. You're not going to know until tomorrow. Oh my God. Or it's all predetermined on how you rolled the die. Which, like, then why wouldn't I know so I can tell my tribe
[00:14:06] before tribal council so that I won them stuff and they will be happy and maybe save me. Make it make sense. Yeah, at least like with the ship wheel, which I will say also, can we bring the ship wheel back to ship wheel island? I feel like for some reason, I feel like for some reason, I think this has really been one of my largest sticking points with the new era. And I think, you know, Team Flint does a fun job just with the idols and all the tasks that they do there. But I don't love as soon as your feet hit that beach
[00:14:36] and you read that sign, you don't have the option to opt out of the game. And maybe now we've gotten to the point where now everyone knows it and so that's going to influence who's chosen on the journey. But it still rings a bit hollow with me. And so I miss ship wheel island, right? Where it was like, okay, you have the chance to opt out if you want to. Like, yeah, you might get screwed over. But much like that, in those games, you didn't find out if you lost your vote until Tribal Council. So maybe Justin was going with that but extending the timeline just a little bit of the next day they'll inform us.
[00:15:06] The other thing I miss too is when the games were dependent on your, like how you can read other people. So like, for example, a game of chance, that's perfect if you incorporate something with reading others. For example, you need to get the most number of fire die or whatever. Right? But if you roll, you know, so many skull die, you're going to go out. So then there's something where you're like betting against other people where you're like, look, I'm going to just get one fire die and clock out because I think everybody else is going to go far.
[00:15:36] They're going to bust and then I'm going to be the one who wins the reward or something like that. Like something to, if you're going to do something random, you have to incorporate some survivor skill to it. So I think that that to me is like a frustrating part. But, but I, my whole argument is that I think that Justin had an opportunity to advocate for himself and was in the winning position. Like he clutched defeat from the jaws of victory. Like that was how it felt. It was very, and from the edit we saw, okay, so granted from the edit we saw, it did feel like Justin was, it was the, um,
[00:16:06] from Drag Race, do something, Charlie. It was like, do something, Justin. Like, please say, instead of just like, you know, man, I trust whatever you go with. Like no explanation for why he lied, at least again, what we saw. So anyway, yeah, it was weird. I do feel like Justin has like, the hair to do a Cher runway. Like he wouldn't even need a wig. He's got that leg. He's got that long hair to toss. Yeah, I mean, what's really interesting is again, in the edit, even before we get into all this calamity, we dive a little bit
[00:16:36] into the iceberg that is the Mary and say relationship. And Mary says, you know, if you're out here to play, you need to push back. Otherwise, I don't want, I don't want to work with people that are just sitting by the wayside. Cut to Justin. Then Mary says, say pushes back and she pushes me. And that's kind of the result that again, the edit is displaying to us. Right. And of course, Justin expressed to me, expressed to many other people that he did make arguments. They did not make the cutting room floor. He talks about these, these powerful conversations that were had
[00:17:05] that we were not privy to, but he was, you know, trying to ease off the break being like, I'm good. Like Cedric's my boy. And he also voted to keep me twice in this evening. Surely the third time is the charm. But then when push came to shove, it all makes, it makes the most sense, Sasha, because last week Cedric says, this is like therapy. You know, we're trying to make ourselves a better tribe. And so who else but this man to eventually settle on? All right.
[00:17:35] We're going to leave with some actionable items from this meeting. Stay in Mary. You're going to squash this. Right. I'm telling you, he was giving pop, right? Like process, outcome, like, oh my God, purpose. It's just outrageous. And I loved it. It is so funny when he goes, I'll make my decision with the stipulation. That sentence in and of itself, just, oh, Cedric. I love it. I was in shock
[00:18:05] because I thought Jeff was going to be like, you're out of here. Bye. Like, no stipulation. I make the stipulations. I'm the one in charge. I just thought we'd get more, you know, like sass from Jeff, like sassy Jeff, I thought would come back in that moment. But maybe it was a long time. I mean, this was like, yeah, three to four hours long. I think even he's like, I'm tired at this point. Like, I'm ready to go to bed. And I love that. Yeah, of course, when Cedric is going to show up the stipulation, is Cedric going to say no? Like, oh, yeah, no,
[00:18:35] I would never work with Mary. I'd rather die on my feet than live in my knees and be subservient to possibly working with this woman. No, of course she's going to say yes. Oh, so funny. Oh, and I got, and again, it's unfortunately to the detriment of Justin, who I think did have a very cogent game and just, well, to your point, Liana may have let the opportunity slip out of his hands a little bit in the form of those dice and otherwise did seem relatively
[00:19:04] well set up in the position that he was before everything went out. It does keep this incredibly delicious dynamic in the game. Two times over in Mary and say, and it is wild to me that Mary obviously was target numero uno, was able to escape, and then I thought like, okay, say is clearly done, and she was able to get by, and that means the two of them make it one round further. Sasha, this means more running through the jungle. I love all of this,
[00:19:34] right? Like, you could tell they hate each other. I saw online, right, like putting them in the get-along shirt. No, they don't, they, I think they would claw through that get-along shirt, and I mean that with the utmost respect to the both of them, because I want them to know I love them both, and I, I just hate when my faves fight. You know what I mean? Like, I want to put them in a room and be like, now kiss, right? Like, now you're best friends. Like, no more. None of this. Enough,
[00:20:04] right? Like, I'm tired. You're Cedric. Sasha is Cedric in this moment. My stipulation. Let's vote out Cedric. I don't give a, like, no offense. Like, I like Cedric too, but like, Say and Mary are truly the most hilarious, like, some of the most hilarious people I've ever not met. You know what I mean? Like, why is Mary just like, swimming in the ocean and then Say is like, that's wrong. That must mean she found something. And then Mary being like, ha ha ha, she'll think I found something. It's like,
[00:20:34] they're so funny and cute super villain that I need them to be part of my enemy Misa Lover storyline. I, I, I'm not, I think I'm crediting this to, I think it was maybe Gabby or Sophie who posted this on chat BCC at the time. But basically for those who are fans of Killing Eve, they are the two leads. They are the Villanelle and Eve of like, they are diametrically opposed foes, but they have so much respect for each other and they can't help but be drawn to one another
[00:21:02] because they also have very similar aggressive play styles. Albeit, one is on top and one is on the bottom. I don't know if I'm saying everybody will voting me out, even my own, like number one. It is wild that she's gotten a vote at every single tribal council she's gone to. By her own people. It really be your own people. Mm hmm. Well, I think for me, it was just really interesting to see the language that both of them were using when they spoke about each other.
[00:21:31] So both in confessionals and as well at tribal council, I'm, I'm hopeful that as Cedric and Sasha, would like that. They will be able to patch up their relationship. Like, I really, really hope that they can because they're just so fun together. And I think they really do like playing together. I mean, that's, we see Mary talk about that. We see say, talk about how much she respects Mary. I think that's really wonderful to see. And also the fact that despite positionally where Mary was,
[00:22:00] she is like the only person on the tribe that knew how to mind F say, I'm being like, all right, I'm going to go swimming because that's going to imply to her that I have something and hook, line and sinker say fell for that. Even a tribal council, like say once again, and I cannot believe they keep continuing to show this, like her openly calling out how much she hates shot in the dark. And then Mary being like, I might have something. You don't know. And say, just giving that look to Jeff, like,
[00:22:28] like Mary knows how to, to pick at her. And then also the other thing is again, the way that the other two guys were presented to us is that they are more than happy to kind of just like sit back and let things go their course. And so Mary's like, yeah, I'm the only one that's kind of giving you your attention right now. And I know what pushes your buttons, which makes me not only your worst enemy, but like also appear at the same time. Yeah. And I think like you survivor. Yes. Obviously there's a lot of, well,
[00:22:57] it's literally a game built on strategy, but it's, it is a social. I'm sure it's not built on rolling dice. That's what I heard. That's what I heard. I got some question marks that are saying otherwise though. So, you know, you really have to just go with who you're like vibing with. So you can have some of an immediate, because say, try to bond with the women. Say went to Stephanie and Mary and was like, Hey, so like, what's up? And Stephanie was like, we're getting to know each other. And obviously that didn't resonate with say. And she's like, no, next. She's at work.
[00:23:27] You got to work. I mean, say really did do the Vula speed dating where she's like, all right, give me your opening line. No, we're good. Like, do you know what? Actually say, say is two decades removed. She would have killed it on MTV is next. She would have been. next. She plays the game. She plays the game. Like pop the blue. Like, yeah,
[00:23:56] I just feel like she's like not interested. Or she's like, I saw you go to pop that balloon earlier. Justin, you shouldn't have done that. So I don't trust you anymore. And I'm going to let you know that. Yeah. I don't play like say, but like some part of me is like, no, but I think I'm petty. Like, no, I know I'm petty. Like, let me rephrase, but I wouldn't like be so like, I wouldn't be so in your face about it. And that's, and that's on my character. Well, not says,
[00:24:26] because that is so funny that she just says everything to your face. And then she just somehow still here. Well, and that's what I know. And that's one of the, the many arguments she got in with Mary, a tribal council, right? But she's like, I'm very transparently honest. And like, yeah, we kind of see that. And so what's so interesting is, and this is where the delicious hypocrisy lies with these reality TV people that we've been watching 25 years onwards is right. People expect them to be treated the way that they treat people for better and for worse.
[00:24:55] And so when say finds out when Cedric approaches her, right? Being like, you should probably play your idol. She's like, wait a minute. But if people were voting for me, they should have been honest with me about it. So why am I feeling a certain way? Cause I would have told you if you were in danger. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's, um, yeah. I mean, and that's where I'm very curious to see where her relationship with Cedric goes after this, because Cedric has now voted for her twice. And now has also, you know, we even see,
[00:25:25] even before this vote, right? We see, say question Cedric's loyalty and especially being spooked by heaven and everything. So yeah, I, it's funny because even though we're getting the swap and who knows, they could all be completely split up. It's like, Vula's still a hot mess somehow. I'm telling you, it's just the way that if my ally, right? Like he could have voted for two people and one of them is me. And one of the two, and I'm the, I'm the second person voting, right? Like,
[00:25:53] do you not understand how ridiculous this is that this man could have just voted with me and ended tribal council, but decided to go against me twice when I'm the only person voting. No, like when I tell, I'd be watching him like this when he sleep, you know what I mean? To be like, so you really wanted to vote me out. That's great. Tell me more about that. I mean, not to reveal too much like, I know we might have a game about this.
[00:26:21] If you want to get into too much of like say his quotes from tribal council, she was so quotable at this tribal specifically in reaction to, because remember she was the one in the first place that was like, Mary's either got something or she's going to play her shot in the dark. So let me throw a vote towards Justin. And the guys are like, it's fine. Don't worry. It's one sixth. Anyway, what's the worst that could happen? It turns out the dice screws Justin over in more ways than one, uh, as it ends up hitting. And she's, first off, she has that iconic quote that really represents their relationship, right? That's my girl,
[00:26:51] but in the worst way. Uh, and then once all the votes get nullified, she's like, she's like cursing under her breath and over her breath and on her breath, just being like, screw these guys. Cedric is the worst. This is why you don't listen to boys. Yes. That was my favorite in the confession, in the booth, the voting booth. This is what happens when you trust boys. I wrote that down. Fantastic. Right. Like that was so good. And I said, but she never lied once, but this is the thing.
[00:27:20] This is also Mary's energy. Is it that they're like, so the same, like magnets that they're, you know, almost being pulled apart because of it. And I just, that, that hurts me, you know, that just, that hurts me because there's California girls, but then there's chaos girls and I need chaos girls. I need them. Chaos girls. That's perfect. I love that for them. No, again, I think Thomas and Bianca are trying to like, take that title a little bit.
[00:27:48] And what we didn't even pointed this out last week. Thomas getting stabbed in the eye by his closest ally. Oh my God. That, that bruise I saw. I was like, oh my God, you poor thing. Thankfully it missed his actual eye. I'm my God. Very serious. Dr. Will has to be on call. 48 people getting injured all over the place. Oh my God. And as a clumsy person, I've actually definitely hit someone during like rafting like that. And it's terrible. So yeah,
[00:28:19] but maybe Thomas is sort of like using this as his scar to be in his villain era. Right. Cause at least until Bianca unfortunately lost her vote due to literally dice. Like he was ready to say, okay, maybe if we help star find the idol, she could idol out who we want to. And even gets his own maniacal laugh. Mm-hmm. Ha ha ha ha ha. The new shant them. Yeah. Well, Thomas has been such a fascinating one to watch, especially his relationship with Bianca,
[00:28:48] because I think it's also very interesting to see the parallels of all of these duos forming. When Jeff said this was a season dominated by duos, he was not lying. So I think you see like Joe and Eva and you see their relationship. You see Eva like bringing beads and this whole thing. And then beads? And then Thomas just straight up lying to Bianca, despite the fact that they're supposed to be the closest. So it's, it's really interesting. I don't know where it's going to go from there. We see how it could backfire, for someone, if you don't talk about, you know,
[00:29:16] what happened to you on a journey with Justin and Cedric, is the same thing going to happen with Thomas and Bianca in some capacity. It would be really fun to see parallels there. She did that black guy without knowing what he did. Now, if she knows, yeah, I had gone.com. You deserve that. Well, I think also at the same time, maybe she felt indebted to him. She's like, well, shit, I got to tell him like, I physically harmed this man. If I really want to keep them close, I got to let him know. But that was also such an interesting conversation. Cause again, we talk about like,
[00:29:45] I don't even say brutal honesty, just like outright honesty to have Thomas be like, Oh my God, you were so good lying back there. I'm scared. It's like, why, why would, why would you say that to your club? I mean, I guess good that she doesn't have a vote that you're then telling her like, Oh, you were scary when you lied to all of us. Well, I do wonder if it's a situation where, you know, we had Shaheen have that comment about Thomas, right? Where Thomas, you know, Thomas is saying he wants to do all this stuff with the stars. We're advantage.
[00:30:15] And Shaheen goes, Hmm, that's dangerous. Are we going to see Thomas go? That's dangerous. For Bianca. Like maybe that's the reason why he didn't tell Bianca about the advantage because he saw how well she could lie. Very curious. I also love, like, again, we talk about people just putting really things out in the open this season, whether it's telling your tribe what happened on the journey, again, say kind of airing out dirty laundry at tribal council, mostly with Mary. But then we have Eva giving Joe the beads and what?
[00:30:45] Six inches away from them. Shaheen is giving a look. To Thomas, like, can you believe this shit? Like, and then he shakes it. Why were you shaking your head right there? When you're like, you guys probably feel the breath from one of them on the nape of your neck. And you're like, I do not approve of this. And I am showing that. To me, it wasn't just the shaking of the head. It was how exaggerated it was. It was like, no.
[00:31:13] So don't you feel like it was reminding you of my favorite Survivor season ever, Survivor South Africa, with the... Oh, yeah, with Dino pointing at Jason. Yeah, exactly. And I'm like, what that is, what do we do here? And then I wish we would have got the big shot of, not just a zoomed in on his head, but I would have loved the like, okay, these people are back turned.
[00:31:42] And he's just vigorously shaking his head. He's no one seeing this. Okay. So I thought I was like this, maybe this is editing, right? Maybe he's not actually doing this. There is a wide shot. So one, I looked at the color saturation. Oh my God. This is why you get paid the big bucks. It's about the same. I also looked at the background to see the background match. Okay. And then I also, there is one wide shot. And you can sort of see Shaheen starting to shake his head.
[00:32:10] So I actually think that it happened, which I can't decide if I think that's better or worse. I think it's better because what a mess. Oh, maybe Shaheen could just be like, oh, well, Thomas was about to give himself a matching black eye. And I was shaking my head saying, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't, don't, don't stick that. Thomas was going to stick his foot in the bonfire. And I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We don't need you to have a burn. So big brother to me, right? Where you're just like being silly and get it.
[00:32:38] And maybe you're risking getting caught. And then Tiffany, right. And big brother 23 will be like, Oh, but we have to have like, you know, reasons why we're talking. That isn't game. I just, and now you say I have no food. I'm doing it in front of people. Granted, I'm winning a lot. And there is a bonfire in front of me. So like I'm vibes. I'm happy, but letting your guard down like that. Wild behavior. Wild. I also, I also need to touch upon, uh, again, Siva. And it's makes sense that they not only sound like,
[00:33:08] but are on the same beach as Siva. Cause this is a bit more of our vibes tribe. Now, maybe that will break up once the tribe does next episode, but we need to talk about the fact that you can make your muscles as big as you want people, but arguably the biggest muscle everybody has is the heart. Oh, that's a pretty, let me find that out with David this week. As he tells, you know, a really sad set of circumstances. And sweet, sweet Kyle. I think they had the best. I really do say, I truly do think.
[00:33:38] Cause I think some, some people have been bad on him. I really think he had the best of intentions. I truly think he just completely misread what David believes in his living situation. Oh my God. Okay. I know it looked like I was laughing at David situation, which I have a lot of empathy. I'm happy that they showed out. I'm happy. We're getting more dynamics with David and not just, I've got four nipples, but Kyle. And it was funny the first time it was even funnier on the rewatch because the energy and enthusiasm between.
[00:34:08] Oh, dude. Like it was so over the top. It wasn't just like, Oh, that's cool. It was like, Oh, the coolest thing ever. Like that was the energy that he was saying it with. And that's why it just doesn't read on so many levels. It's amazing. Television. I love that moment. Again, I truly am obsessed with survivor 48. They're all my friends. Like they don't know me, but they're all my friends.
[00:34:36] And I'm so sad that Asia wasn't on this season. I just, do you know what I mean? Cause like, my God, they're so funny, but here's the thing, y'all, you will never make me hate David. Right? Like since the moment we met him, I said, this is a hilarious human being. And then he's like episode one, quoting rom-coms episode two nipples. Now he's like, no episode three. I, Oh, you know, I might be Johnny Bravo, but actually in my heart, I am,
[00:35:06] you know, like the cowardly dog. Yeah. He just wants a family. Yeah. And like y'all, I just, I couldn't, I say you could never make me hate him. Cause I understand what Kyle was doing because they're like, you said, Liana, the energy because Kyle later on says, Oh, so does your dad have a lot of like acres of land? And so I think Kyle was just on that trajectory of like seeing David a certain way. Right. And, and I, and I understand that because I feel like that happens to me a lot where I definitely get
[00:35:36] seen like X, Y, and Z. And then I'm like, no, like actually blah, blah, blah. So poor David was like, no, I, I'm a stunt performer, but like, I'm a, I'm a real boy, you know, like I have heart. Well, so let me, I'll try to put a theory out here. Maybe in Kyle's defense, what if he maybe misheard David? And when David said, I have a trailer, he's like, Oh, sick dude. You're a stunt performer. And so you get your own trailer. That's awesome.
[00:36:03] And maybe did not necessarily digest the only the tone, but the rest of the information that David was laying out. I mean, the thing is in the way that Sasha is, is David that's misunderstood. I am Kyle and that I'm constantly flubbing. I'm constantly flubbing social situations and misreading. I mean, me too. I feel sick, dude. Oh, that's sick, dude. Yeah. Because, but also, you know, you don't want to be like judgy. Cause what, what's Kyle supposed to say? Oh, you live it. I live. David goes, Oh, I live in a trailer in front of my dad's house. Loser.
[00:36:33] Like Kyle's not going to say that. Of course. Oh, that's cool. It's just, again, I think like he should have been positive. It was just awesome, dude. Like it was just the wrong tone. And it was also the followup where it's like, initially it's like he tried to back up, but he's also like, you don't like living with your dad, man. That sounds the coolest. And I was like, what are we doing? Like, are we talking to a teenager? Right. To be like, you gotta love your family. Like you can't be in this like awkward adolescent. Right.
[00:37:02] Like I'm thinking a scene from inside out where he's like, Oh, on you is here. I'm pissed off at everything. Right. Like, and then, and then joy is like trying to talk to me and be like, it's okay. We gotta be happy. We can't, you know, like Kyle is joy. And completely. Again, I appreciate David in so many ways. Cause he's like, no, I'm 38 years old. Yeah. He literally responds by being like, what's cool about that. Yeah. No. Why would I like that? What's sexy about that?
[00:37:32] I think was his response. Why would I like that? Yeah. Like, Oh no. You will never make me hate David. Like he's just, he's so real and like random. Like he's just so random because I think that's a fair thing to share. I think Kyle's best option would have been to be neutral. I don't know that I would have been. Cause like nothing about me, right? Like my face is zero poker face. So I think I would have been like, well, what do you mean? What? What's going on here? I would have been like, I thought you lived in LA.
[00:38:02] Cause I'm thinking trailer parks ain't in LA. You know what I mean? Like that's where I would have said some nonsense and it would have been terrible. So it's just the fact that he should have just been like, Oh, okay. For sure, man. Right. And like left it or something. Let David keep talking. But like, he's just giving like, that's so cool. Plus your dad must own a lot of land. And he's like, Nope. It's just a drive. I live in drive. Do you think maybe Kyle thought that David said,
[00:38:31] I'm in a trailer like for the newest Marvel movie. And he's like, Oh, sick man. What's what? Uh, give me the timestamp that I'll get to see you in. What's sick about that. Mike, he's 30. And I'm in a trailer. Then the fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that maybe that's a possibility. There's no bad ideas in brainstorming. Yes. On the followup questions, I would assume that that is not the case, but I like the energy. Oh, I, and I'm sure they're friends. Like,
[00:38:59] I would love for Kyle to just like explain, you know, what he was thinking when he said that, or was it just like a basic, no, I really think like living close to your parents is nice, which I understand. Cause I don't live close to my family. So like grant, I would like my family to live close, but like, I'm not putting them in a trailer, but I would be like, at least you're living close to your family. I don't know. I, I, I, I, and then Sasha goes home. Uh, no, I look, I give Kyle all the grace in the world because one,
[00:39:29] I do this fully fed and well rested. So the fact that he did it on no sleep with no food, it's, it's fun. It's just, it makes for such a fun moment. And I think that's why I've been enjoying 48, enjoying season 48 so much is because we've had so many of these moments. Yes, exactly. I get it. It is sort of like, again, I wouldn't call it like cringiness. It's just more so that people are so open about what they believe about themselves and others that it leads to like these encounters where there's not a lot of subtlety happening,
[00:39:58] which is just so much fun to experience. Like this truly does feel like the sequel to season 46 in that while it might not be as like wildly outrageous and hysterical as season 46, which I still think is just like a special gem in and of itself. So this does feel a bit like they're channeling that energy and they had just watched the entirety of season 46 as well. So there might literally have been something in the water. I mean, what's also interesting is that David, it's a double-edged sword in him deciding to open up about all of this as well, because a,
[00:40:28] I think it does allow his tribe members, especially to kind of, you know, feel that he is not necessarily the guy he's presenting at all times of like, all this guy knows how to do is pull ups and talk about his, you know, multiple nipples. But like, like he's able to say like, yeah, to the chat, which I'm so happy that Camilla officially now brought Chad onto survivor. What? 39 seasons after Chad himself was on survivor. But this idea that he can say like, no,
[00:40:57] I am a human being. Like you can bond with me. Don't feel like we can't find common ground. On the other hand, he does present the stakes on. We know how they like the stakes done, but he does say like, if I don't win, I'm coming home to an empty trailer. And like, I don't know. Maybe when you're looking for a reason to get rid of somebody in a million dollar game, he kind of presented his final tribal council argument right there, right then. Oh, David winning the season would make me so happy. I mean,
[00:41:27] there's other people. Don't get me wrong. But how fun would that be? David is the one that didn't know Jeff Proach, right? Yeah. David was the one who didn't know Jeff's last name. I mean, that's what it is. It's just, I know something's going wrong and or right in the, no wrong in the world. I'll say it again, that I am obsessed with the alpha bro. Right? Like what's happening to me? Help me. Because all it, like there's like, all of them are so funny.
[00:41:57] Like the fact that there's a California girls alliance and it's all these like strong bros. And I said, yes, allow it. Instead of being like dismantle. So you're doing the opposite of this when you saw the California girls alliance. Like instead I'm like, yeah, yeah, more please. Right. What's, what's going on? Right. Like, am I, what's going on? So I'm just, I'm obsessed with the alpha bros. And, and for the first time I feel like ever, I can be like, and if a man wins, maybe I'll be okay. I'll allow it.
[00:42:27] That's your simulation. Maybe. Depending on. If David makes it to the final three, and makes the same pitch and tells the story that he did to Siva, how many Kyle-esque reactions will exist on the jury? Maybe Kyle will be on the jury and warn them ahead of time. Like, or whatever you do, David tells. Don't stay sick, dude. It is not a Marvel trailer. It is not a Marvel trailer. It is a literal trailer. Don't, don't be Amelia Bedelia this like I did.
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[00:43:57] I think a lot of people echoed his, his, his judgments that they felt very happily surprised by the way Justin came across in the interview versus what you might see on the surface, the cheese laying on top, perhaps. So how did that reflect with your predictions? How did you see Justin playing out? I'm just going to say, if I lose this, I'm throwing my computer out the window. Oh no, Ron Swanson it? Yes. Monday, megaphone, butthole, out the window, it's gone. Okay. I had Justin pre-jury. Okay.
[00:44:28] Justin doesn't do anything wrong per se, more like a consequence of being in the wrong, like the person, yes. More like a consequence of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Justin's laid back demeanor means he doesn't rub anyone the wrong way, but also isn't proactive about making connections with everyone. When Mary finds an idol spooked by the loss of her closest ally, Stephanie, she decides to use her sole vote on Justin as she has the weakest connection with him.
[00:44:57] Before his premature boot, Justin gets a heartwarming confessional about his journey from Yale Law to his mother's leukemia diagnosis to working at Luigi's. I don't think we got that, but ignore that, Sasha. His allies were Kevin and Cedric. His enemy was Mary and her idol. Oh, okay. I mean, I mean, it also was the tone that you were saying of like so much fat. I'm just saying if Mike has a successful shot in the dark play and that's how Justin goes home, I'm throwing my computer
[00:45:26] out the window. Okay, so be careful, Mike. I don't want to be Cedric. I'm very confused as to how that happened for me. So then I guess to help Liana, should I say things in like a very questionable tone? Yes. Oh, no. Very, very nonchalant, right? Like, hey, man, Sasha, you're still invited to my house. Yeah, it would not be Justin if I did not read it that way. So yeah, I'll just, I'm wearing the shirt. I'll just say that I just didn't make in the jury. So what I said was as Vula continues to spin
[00:45:56] like a carefully tossed pizza dough, Justin remains the cool, long haired head, careful not to get lost in the sauce. Justin finds a pair with Cedric as natural as pizza and breadsticks. But when Cedric loses his vote on a journey, he can only help but watch as his closest ally goes, putting a spotlight on him like a red-tinted heating lamp. Luckily, Justin finds a new, albeit more erratic, partner in Say. Like Pineapple and Ham, the two surprisingly work well together throughout the post-merge.
[00:46:26] Justin shows off his crust-fit physique in the individual challenges, becoming an unlikely challenge beast. And so, in the mid-merge, just when Justin feels like he has a shot at the million-dollar pie, he'll get sliced out of the competition as Say helps surprisingly lead the charge against him, feeling he is too threatening and personable to move forward. Justin will close out his time on Survivor with a score above one L-M-P-E, parentheses, Luigi's mention per episode. I guess I clocked
[00:46:56] that for every episode or I guess maybe someone more than others he would mention Luigi's. His closest ally was Cedric, then Say, and his closest enemy was the producers, then Say. Okay, okay. You know, I must say. No, not only that's coming from the sympathetic angle. It was pretty good, Mike. I'm so mad at you. The thing is, I mean, here's the thing, okay, I would just have to say. I'm opening my window.
[00:47:26] Mike. The window's the other way. I'm opening my window. Mike is so funny in his predictions on account that a lot of stuff he predicted would happen around Justin actually happened to Justin. So that's, that is a special skillet. And I mean that positively, not derogatory, you know what I mean? And then like the fact that he said Say leading the charge, he said Cedric his closest ally and then hating the producers. Oh, dang, that is point
[00:47:56] for you. But I think the biggest ding unfortunately has to be Mike that you had him going so late because, and maybe that's my personal bias because I also had him going way too early for you to, for me to like see, give someone the win to say like they're coming so late. Like, I know it. Like Rob saying he was, that's winner pick Rob B. So for real, I'll shut this podcast out right now, you know, type energy. But yeah, so that's it. Like Mike, I just want to say
[00:48:25] storytelling 10 on 10. But, but otherwise, no, I'm sorry. It was a nice story, but I was writing a tabloid rather than it was giving like a Daily Mail Royal Rona instead of maybe the reality. Oh, that's great. Yes. Liana just, I like had good predictions, early boot predictions, huge, huge win. Okay, great. I'm very happy with that and I can keep my computer, which I'm extra happy about.
[00:48:55] We need her. I'm curious, Liana, without giving too much away, did you predict there would be a swap in 48? Nope. So, I think it's because we, and I put one in 47 just because I thought like, oh, they did one in 45. I think we now realize that the swap might be the like break glass in case of emergency button for the new era where if a tribe goes to tribal council three times in the first three episodes, then it seems like they trigger it just because from a challenge perspective,
[00:49:24] it begins to be a bit much and so it's interesting. Like, I wonder in 46, because remember, by the grace of God, Randon ends up getting medevaced instead of Banu going, but if Banu had gone then, would they have triggered a swap and what would it have been like if these people interacted with each other earlier than they did in this season? Oh my gosh. Yeah, I mean, I think also from the challenges they build, they're like, you need four people at least to run this challenge. We spent all this energy building this. So that was the thing that was interesting.
[00:49:52] So I ran this challenge, the blindfold challenge, which I was honed about. You better believe that like, do you want to be a call? I'm like, no, I need to be blindfolded right now, which was very, very fun. But what's interesting is when we ran it, it was four or five people. It was two pairs and a collar, which makes a lot more sense than like, hey, Joe, just kind of like scramble your way like a crab, scuttle across the course by yourself. Oh, that was amazing. Also, even better on the rewatch. Just it's the speed
[00:50:22] at which he takes off. But he's like you said, the crab, it's like the fastest crab in the West. He's just like off towards the bucket. It's so amazing. This episode was fantastic. Oh, I know. I know. Obviously logistics and all that fun stuff aside. But the reason why I love this episode in addition to all of the macro moments are the micro moments. Yes, that includes Joe running off in the challenge. It includes Jeff Probst saying David takes one well here where he'll remember
[00:50:51] when he smacks into a pole around his nutsack. So what I have done is I have put together a game the devil in the details. So we are going to be talking about little teeny tiny even smaller than micro nano moments perhaps in this episode because there was just so much to dig into. So we're going to go back and forth. I'm going to give you four options and you will have to guess which one is correct. So Mike, we're going to go ahead and start with you.
[00:51:20] We're moving to the bonfire party. What year was the stranded on an island red wine Joe offers for the bonfire party? Okay. Was it A, 2004 B, 2007 C, 2017 or D, 2024? It was not. I'm going to eliminate the first and last I'm going to, you know, section in the timeline a little bit.
[00:51:50] I believe it was 2007. That is correct. Yes. Yes. That would have been my answer too. Okay. Yeah. Which was also, can we like, maybe stop down as well and like talk about these nano moments as well. That was so much fun. Again, to your point, Sasha, about like not judging a book by its cover. I think a lot of people maybe realize this about Joe. If you didn't take as much of a deep dive into his story of like how much heart he has, but the fact that he totally deadpan walks up and is the survivor sommelier
[00:52:21] and describes the tannins in the white wine and Thomas also responding the way he did like, God, I'm a little, as much as I love that now we're making these tribes a little bit more equal in terms of numbers and challenge strength. Like I kind of don't want Loggi to be broken up because what, what an interesting sixsome of people. And the fact that they're so quickly able to come up with this stuff on the fly, right? Like he's like, oh, you like a red. So this is what I have to offer.
[00:52:50] And it's like so funny. And then it's like, oh, we have free Wi-Fi. We have the, what? Hilarious. And I just appreciate quick-witted people like that. So good. Well, and especially with them being so like, you know, we get the emotional scene of them being low morale and things like that, but they're so funny. So even without food, right? Like they're still kicking it. Yeah. I mean, again, they'll just the line said rather dryly by Thomas of dry and empty. I can relate to that. It is incredible. Incredible. Yep. Yep. Especially as like,
[00:53:20] it's the shot of him with the black eye. What the hell happened to you? Yeah. You're reading dry and empty right now. It's the smile also when he gets, he's like, yeah, it's giving like vampire, right? Like they sucked all the blood out. I mean, speaking of that, I don't know if you've been paying attention to Instagram, but Sarah Michelle Geller has been watching the season and is a fan of Thomas. What a segue. I love this. Yeah. He loves what he said. He said Buffy is the next, the best show on TV besides Survivor
[00:53:50] and SMG has now split into his DMs. Heard the bat signal, I guess. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. All right, Sasha, we're going to go back to you for the, we're going to go to you for the first time. Ooh, for your question. What does say not say so say the human? What does she not verbalize vocally? Okay. While chasing Mary during the idol. Oh, okay. Yeah. I can see, is it A? I can see you.
[00:54:20] B, here I come. Is C, she's digging. Or D, come out now. Oh my God. Okay. I feel like I, Mandela effect. I feel like I've heard all of it. So I'm, what was D again? I can see you, right? D was come out now. Come out. Come out now. Oh my gosh. I just can't. I feel like I heard she's digging.
[00:54:49] The first two feel like so similar. Could you repeat A again? Sorry. Yes. A was, I can see you. Yeah. And B was, here I come. Yeah. Okay. I can see you for, I, yes, I believe I heard that. I think for me, it's between B and D. And I, I think I'm going to go with. B. You were so close. It was D.
[00:55:18] It was D. That was my first instinct too. So I mean, my favorite though, was her just like talking adamantly to Cedric adjusting being like, we have to watch her and she's running. Yep. She's running. And she's running. Yep. That was so close. And she's gone. I mean, that feels like following the presidential race in the summer all over again. Like we have to do this and she's running. She's running. My favorite part though, was say chastise Cedric for taking a nap. You will not be taking a nap in the middle of the day.
[00:55:48] She said, wake up. Like you're not working. Yeah. Oh, that's so funny. Vos and Mike, come back. This comment is for you. Question is for you. So Chrissy may not have gotten a lot of screen time thus far. I believe she didn't have any confessionals this episode. She had a lot of really fun lines if you're paying attention to the nano moments. So what does Chrissy say right before Kyle and Mitch capsize their boat? Does she say, A,
[00:56:18] take care. B, be safe. C, be careful. Or D, stay safe. Well, B through D feel ironic. So I think it's going to be one of those. The issue is you basically went through the thesaurus and came up with three incredibly similar Saudis. So the really, the devil isn't in the details here. I think she said be safe. That is correct. Wow.
[00:56:48] I was like, there's no, come on. Like my, I got to make this hard for Mike. You know, he watches that. There's no, there's no way he's going to get this one. All right. So, so what my logic was, since you wrote be safe and be careful, it had to be one of those two. You wouldn't come up with two and then the safe one. But I had to stay safe, which is also supposed to be safe. It's sort of like, if you've ever played the word ladder game where it's like, stay safe, safe haven. Like, yeah, you just sort of like connect the words. And so I thought it might have been be, I was trying to think like, what was the most odd phrasing? Cause that would have
[00:57:17] been one that stuck out. But no, I guess, I guess the thing that sticks out is the irony of her saying be safe right before they tip the boat over immediately. Well, we're actually sticking with Chrissy for your question. Sasha, what does, what does Chrissy say when Camilla gets back from the journey? Does she say a welcome back B you missed a big one C you're just in time for lunch or D wait till you see what David found.
[00:57:48] What did they have a nipple? Yeah. He's had five all along. Oh, actually, it's a really deep belly button. That's a fifth nipple. Yeah, they dug it out. Oh my gosh. I, this one is no idea, like no idea at all. I didn't even know Chrissy talked because I remember like seeing her Twitter being like, why are you under editing me? Basically. So this is crazy that we have actual words from Chrissy.
[00:58:17] Wow. Um, I, it's so silly. Please welcome back to basic. You know what I mean? So, uh, the A. So that's why I'm struggling. Uh, I think, I think it's me. Okay. I wonder if it's the, did they fish? Am I making this up? Um, I think I'm going to go with lunch, the lunch one.
[00:58:47] That is correct. That's what I remember. You're just in time for lunch. You're just in time for lunch. Oh my God. Oh, I'm on the board. Thank you, Chrissy. Okay. Who says that on Survivor? Yeah. Oh, good. We have dinner reservations in an hour. Like what? Actually, that is the laggy tribes. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. They were a couple of days away before the swap of like, uh, actually setting up their own in-house restaurant with like, Shaheen as the maitre d'. Exactly.
[00:59:17] The maitre sd. I love it. A sommelier of Joe. Yeah, Joe's a sommelier. I think, uh, what Bianca could be like the, the chef. Mm-hmm. Yeah. She, it would be all of the movie, the menu, but still. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mike, we're moving away from Chrissy, but we're going to Camilla because what sound does Camilla make when she gets to the journey Yahtzee table? Uh-huh. Does she go, What?
[00:59:46] Does she go, Huh? Does she go, Oh? Or does she go, No? Okay. So we've got, What? We've got the Tim Allen. Uh-huh. Oh. We've got, what was it? Oh? And no. Oh. Okay. Uh, now it would be interesting because again, Camilla is also someone who is like, incredibly blunt. Like,
[01:00:16] I am hoping that her and Thomas end up on the same swab tribe because I think the two of them have such similar personalities and dispositions actually that could either get along really well or this could be a neither can live while the other survives type of thing. So like, no, I would not be surprised if she just outwardly looked at the table and said, Nope, I don't want, I don't want to do this. This is a trap mids. Why am I rolling dice right now? I'm going to say there's such a fine line between Wah and Oh, I don't think she, she fully Tim Allen did. I'm going to say
[01:00:46] she went Oh, see. Okay. That is incorrect. It was Oh, so what's Tim Allen? It was full Tim Allen. Oh, I would not either. And I re, I re listened to that to make sure I got the sound right because it's not Oh, it's Oh, so I mean, to reference another nano moment from the premiere, Jeff did say it was tool time on survivor. So maybe Camilla's had that in her head ever since. Oh, it'll make sense planting those.
[01:01:17] Yeah. Just like, I don't know if you realize CBS is actually bringing back home improvement now more than ever. Yeah. Uh, okay. So let's go to Sasha. Here is your question. What greeting does Cedric offer to Mary, which she ignores, when Vula back to camp after the challenge? Oh, brother. Was it a a fist bump B a high five C
[01:01:46] a low five or D an elbow bump? So just to set the scene a little bit, maybe this is helping Sasha. So the scene is that like they got back to camp because again, Justin went on the journey. So like they've been walking together from the challenge and once they officially settle into camp, Cedric will offer this gesture that Mary will rebuff. And I have a screenshot that I will show after this because it's so funny. Okay. So it's funny. Um, so I feel like, okay, so high five, low five elbow
[01:02:16] or what was the other one? yeah. Fist bump, high five. Well, Cedric is a medical professional. I think he's still in the elbow period. Yeah. he's a dad. So this is such a dad thing he's doing, I feel. So do dad, I do that to give low fives, right? Like, I feel like that's, that's a little bit when you're teaching your kid, high five, low five. Now, you know, do this. In the middle too slow. Yeah.
[01:02:46] So it just feels like that it's too dad. Um, I'm just going to go with fist bump. That is correct. Oh, bro. Cedric goes to the fist bump. Mary just keeps on walking. I don't even think she saw it in her defense, but it was absolutely hilarious. Um, actually, while I have this up, I don't have any other visual clues. I just have a few other funny moments.
[01:03:15] I didn't know how to write questions on. I don't know what this face is from Joe. He's pointing at the supplies. He's very excited about. Yeah. He's like, Oh, a hammock. He's like Leo, the Leo meme. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, which meme does Joe redo? We, we actually did. Well, no, we did the emojis. I don't know. Yeah. You did emojis. Yeah. Uh, this also happened. I, uh, it's David just. That's it's giving mom. I threw up. Yeah. Cause I'm like,
[01:03:44] is he looking down at his like outfit to be like, how many more hits can I take? Yeah. maybe he's looking down. Maybe he's trying to assess his crushed nuts. Yeah. He's like, I'm trying to have kids. Not anymore. David. You're my family. A million dollars for corrective testicle surgery at this rate. Um, also to step away from the funny moments for a second, I did notice something else upon the rewatch, which is they use the same shot of Cedric reacting to the lack of a third vote.
[01:04:14] Twice. So after the first time there were only two votes for Mary, he gives this look, which is the exact same reaction. Look that he gives. So either Cedric is masterful at moving and looking exactly the same way, or they reuse the same shot to show Cedric's confusion to there. Only being two votes. Honestly, I think it's 50, 50 in either direction. Like I would not be surprised if Cedric's like, and I will make the exact reaction every time I realize there's no vote. Yeah. I remember this.
[01:04:44] And I was like, why are you, why do you keep being surprised? Like I remember thinking that. Yes. That's Puyah and I had the exact same. Why is he confused? He knows all right. Like he was confused the first time. Why is he confused again? So I think it's because they used the same shot. And also to be fair, Cedric confused us over the course of this tribal council. So it was her turn to wear it on his face. Yep. I will. Okay. So we are all tied up going into the final two questions. Oh yeah. here is your question. Bianca says,
[01:05:14] see you later, baby to the immunity idol when handing it back to Jeff. What does Mitch say when he hands back the idol to Jeff? Does he say a bye-bye? I, B, yes, sir. C, see you soon. Or D, no, Jeff. No, I think Mitch is a very, Mitch is very kind, especially after that conversation we have with Jeff. I don't think he's going to be like, no, no, Jeff, I'm keeping it. Especially now that we know what Jeff is armed at all times.
[01:05:42] I do not think you want to trifle with that man. I think bye-bye is a little too simple. See you soon is a little cocky, but maybe this is my own Mandela. I think I recalled him saying that, which is odd. Cause I feel like when somebody does say that Jeff typically calls them out of like, Oh, you said see you soon. But for some reason he glanced over it. So for that reason, I'm going to say, was it C that was see you soon? No, it was. Yes, sir. Yeah. I was like, that feels like a Mitch.
[01:06:12] Yeah. Like I respect Jeff answer. All right. So Sasha, let's see how you do with your final question. Okay. Okay. I'm ready. When Mary is searching for an idol, what does she do to her face? Does she, she doesn't poke herself in the eye. That's okay. That just, that doesn't happen. There's no Thomas situation here, but does she a cover her mouth?
[01:06:39] B raise her eyebrows to open her eyes wide. Does she see fold her ears forward or D plug her nose? Really? If you limit or try to focus on one of the senses, it will help the other one. The rising tide raises all boats here. Oh my gosh. So the question is, what was she doing? Right? Yes, that is correct. Something with something with some part of her face. Correct.
[01:07:09] She manipulated some part of her face. Yeah. Yes. And be called to the ears, but I don't remember seeing that. So that's what I'm stressed out about. Plugging her nose is outrageous unless she was like by the poop area or something. Opens her eyes wide, you know, like all of the rock. I like that or covers. Okay.
[01:07:38] I have zero idea shot in the dark. Mary, please. Does it hit? We will see where I think that she does her ears. I think that's so crazy and probably wrong, but I just like it. That is correct. She folds her ears forward. I think she was listening for say, because when I first saw it, I was like, why is she doing that to help her? Yeah. I really idea. She sure she tries to like, it was part of this. She tries to be like a bat where she is like, yes,
[01:08:07] but it's like out of context where I think the logic was sound of like quite literally sound of, I have to listen to see if say is coming, but it just randomly cuts to you because say is like, Oh my God, Mary's so good at this game. And it cuts to her holding her ears. Yeah. Okay. Yes. And now I fully remember that. That's why I shout out my brain because I was like, I, in reality, I just remember her being chased by say, so like, what will that equal to this? Yeah. Oh, so congratulations,
[01:08:37] Sasha. That was very impressive. You did extremely well as well. You both really picked up a ton from this episode that I only really even got on the rewatch. So I'm very impressed. There are a few other moments I didn't end up using. There was an interaction between say and Mary where it's before Mary bolts again into the woods where they're talking about water. And Mary's like, well, you say you drink a lot of water and say is like, I drink a lot of water, which is why I can survive. I don't have a lot of water. That I fully remember. Like a camel.
[01:09:06] She saved up a repository of water that she can live off of. Yeah, exactly. I don't have a lot of water. Well, I have like 60% or some weird number is what Mary. I remember. When, when both, when both Loggi and Siva come into the immunity arena, I suppose, you know, Loggi's cheering. Shaheen goes, you know, who's here. Jeff goes, that's an entrance. Then when Siva enters, Jeff goes, good morning, Siva. And Chrissy replies, good morning, Jeff.
[01:09:36] How? Yeah. You're just a time for lunch. Yeah, exactly. It's another little funny Chrissy moment. It's brunch time. It's time for brunch. So yeah, just a, just a beautiful episode. Very full of little TV nano moments. I love. Which is, again, this is why we like the 90 minute episodes. Good. Thank you. Fantastic job, Liana, for kicking through some of those smaller moments. Again, I think a lot of people pay attention to what happened in that,
[01:10:05] that latter third and don't necessarily think about the simultaneous lack of screen time, yet a preponderance of, you know, a bunch of random things that Chrissy had said over the course of this episode. Yeah. It's like, what? Okay. I literally couldn't believe Chrissy spoke. Like now, until you said this. Yeah. She had three one-liners. And they were all bangers. Amazing. I did also notice, I don't know if you noticed as well, that Loggi does,
[01:10:34] is maybe one of the rowdiest tribes to enter challenges. Like everyone, the boat challenge last time, he's like, I like it, but they're like, yeah, exactly. Very cartoon character. I mean, like best entrance, right? I mean, it's interesting because, you know, when Justin talked with me, he had said that what was so odd is that he felt that Siva and Loggi basically had first round buys in terms of survivor.
[01:11:02] And like Loggi kind of has been acting like that, right? They have Wi-Fi. They have wine pairings. They're making bonfires. They're hooting and hollering as they're walking into challenges while Bull is like, can this be one where we maybe have a shot of not getting decimated at this point? Oh my God. Can we have a muscle, bro? We don't need to borrow. Yes. We don't need two muscles. Well,
[01:11:25] give it over the hair because we all think that survivor conspiracy theory time that they do disaster tribes on purpose. I just don't understand how they can look at the tribes and be like, yeah, Vula's got a shot. I don't know. Like it's just, it's tough for me to believe that. But I think also they're probably designing. I mean, I don't know what logic goes into designing the tribes. Right. So I think sure.
[01:11:55] Balance in tribe strength is probably part of that. But I think you're also looking for what's going to be fun dynamics. So it's tough to balance those two priorities. Oh yeah. So I have a lot of thoughts about this. And I look, there could certainly be a thing that's like, well, we want to create drama early on. I think to Liana's point that plays out with putting certain people together. Like I would not be surprised if they put say in Stephanie on the same tribe, knowing that these two personalities would not get along from the jump.
[01:12:22] I don't know if they would do that with a tribe overall. I personally, and look, I could be incorrect. And the thumb might be on the scale. I credit it to a few different things. A yes. I think from a physical strength perspective, Vula was completely outmatched. If you look at the challenges we've had in the past two episodes, though, like the swimming challenge, there could be the biggest guy that just sinks like a stone in the ocean. And what happened with Vula was that it just came down to literal balance and dexterity.
[01:12:51] This past challenge wasn't about physical strength at all. It was all about communication and puzzle skills. So I actually think on the one hand, yes, the physical strength was specifically reserved for the premiere. On the other hand, there's also something about momentum, right? There's also something about like if one tribe, then luckily Kevin was able to get those supplies due to Kyle's actions that they're not Yannou completely left dead in the water without any flint. Like, but they lost early on. And when you do that,
[01:13:21] you tend to lose. It's kind of tough to pull yourself out, especially once other tribes start sending people out. I'm more so accredited to this three tribe structure to the fact that, yeah, I think it is just much harder to balance three tribes rather than two, to split up all sorts of sets of skills equally, obviously much easier to do when you split the cast in half rather than thirds. I mean, look at the fact that, okay, between Ua in 41 and then Tika,
[01:13:52] Lulu, Yannou, now Vula, that's five out of eight seasons in the new era that have had one tribe lose at least three challenges in the pre-merge. I think it's, it's a feature, not a bug, but not in the way of like, oh, clearly the producers want this to happen. I think in their ideal world, they would want it to be like a 42 or a 43 or a 47 where like different tribes keep going back to tribal council.
[01:14:20] I think it is a product of them trying to split things up and having difficulty doing so just because it's almost impossible to do with the three tribe structure. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a good point in terms of the momentum and also the, you know, not having the flint and the low morale and all of those kinds of things, because yeah, like this challenge, for example, there was essentially zero strength. I mean, it was what pulling the rope, I guess would have been the only like, I mean,
[01:14:48] I literally pulled that rope and look at me like, it's, it was no, nowhere near strength required. Yeah. But you're powered by pizza. My. Ooh. POP. Or PBP. Yeah. You know me. Yeah. So anyway, I don't know. I'm just kidding. That could have been, it could have been that he gets a super powers from pizza and he was a week removed from it at that point that it all kind of left his system. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. He just powered down. I need pizza.
[01:15:18] Before we go, I do want to mention something from my interview with Justin, which was pretty wild. So Justin, this is actually not the first time he had had an experience with casting. For those that don't know, Justin has revealed that he apparently was in the casting process, I believe last year. And he got a check from medical as part of the casting process. And they discovered that he like had a heart condition that he did not know about. And luckily, he was able to like go take care of it. And,
[01:15:48] you know, you know, being a clean bill of health by the time he was able to come out from 48. But like, absolutely. I mean, this, I think it was a Jimmy Johnson story as well. If I remember from the Nicaragua reunion where he was like, yeah, when I was, I was supposed to come out for a previous season, but then when I got a health check, I realized that I actually had high blood pressure and that could have saved my life. Apparently that was a similar case with Justin. And I think maybe that does explain as well, like some of the attitude and gratitude he had for when he left. Cause he was just like, yeah, I mean,
[01:16:16] there was a very fair chance that they could just throw me by the wayside once they found out that I wasn't medically cleared back then, but they gave me another shot. And so I was playing with house money at that point. I'm not a gambler, but I was playing with house money. Yeah. I, yeah, I do think that's, is that more indicative of the American healthcare system than anything else? Cause I'm about to, I'm like, I'm a survivor just to get the medical check. I don't care about being in the show. I just want to. Right. I would have been like, I would have been like that survivor. God,
[01:16:45] he's helping me out right there. Yeah. I mean, maybe when Jeff is saying like apply, he should bring in more of these, like you want a free physical. Apply to be on survivor. Yeah. It comes to the free physical. Oh my God. Well, to finish things off, talk about, you know, drawing attention to institutions that exist outside of this game. Of course, the end of every B and B podcast, we give our guests the opportunity to highlight a charity or cause that is important to them. Sasha Joseph.
[01:17:15] Eyes are on you right now. What do you want to highlight for the listeners out there? Great. I wanted to highlight just like folks that came before me, right? Where I wanted to highlight a cause called race forward. They're an organization that whose mission is to really do racial justice work in partnership with communities on the ground and organizations and sectors where they really like bring,
[01:17:44] bring communities together and invest in communities and gives community strategies as well. They host a really big racial justice conference that I actually went to called facing race as well.
[01:18:26] So really, look out for these companies or these organizations or things, you know, in your local communities and help those people out. Yeah. Incredibly valid. Very, very well said. And Sasha, you're going to keep on speaking even outside of this survivor podcast, because you have a lot going on in terms of podcasting out there in the RHA universe and beyond. What would you like to plug for the listeners out there? Yes. Of course, I am talking pop culture,
[01:18:57] celebrity, gossip, celebrity things. If you want to know why a ghost hunter or the show from ghost adventures, I believe, had his wife with the plot to kill him. You know, no more. One of the ghosts or the, or the main guy, the main guy on the show had his wife tried to kill him like a whole plot. Like she hired a hit man and everything. Uh,
[01:19:24] and it's ridiculous because she was talking to someone in jail, like trying to get a hit man. Anyway, ridiculous. Check this. And there's got to be better ways to get a hit man. I'm telling you, like, girl, what are we doing? Like you're famous. That feels like booking your anniversary dinner, like years in advance of like, well, once you get out and once you get out on good behavior, maybe you could do this for me. I feel like there's much more, uh, immediate places you can peruse.
[01:19:54] Yeah. So it's just, it's ridiculous. There's so much more. So everything ridiculous. We're talking over on mess magnets. Check that out on mess magnets.com. And Jason Reed and I are talking daredevil born again. It's so much fun. And yeah, you know, the gangs back together. Would you recommend it for, especially for fans of the Netflix version? Correct. Oh, very much that, um, less daredevil. Um, not as much fighting, but we're only three episodes in.
[01:20:22] So I think there's a lot of world building that needs to happen, but feels very exciting. Like gritty, like the Netflix, um, show. So I would recommend I'm obsessed. Love it. So check that out. And we know scripted TV and, uh, jet lag is also back. So, um, if you love the amazing race, Mike and Jess, then you like jet lag. Trust me because you're, you like amazing race plus task master all comes together.
[01:20:51] And Taryn and I are talking jet lag over on Robinson podcast, YouTube. So check it out. Talk to us in the comments. Listen, we, we even interviewed the people that were on the show. So it's just, it's a whole vibe. Check it all out. So thanks that that's it. That's it. Awesome. Sasha cannot wait to check out all the great stuff you're doing. Liana. What about you? I heard you had quite a spicy week this week in the world. Yes. So the Puyin Liana lounge,
[01:21:17] we celebrated our 10th episode by doing a hot ones challenge where we, or it's, I mean, it was more like eat the, Oh my God. There's like a name for it. It's like, you have to answer a question or you have to eat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was, it was an interesting experience. I'm not a fan of the spiciest food. It was weird. I want to give that away. As you can see, based on my skin tone. No, but it was very fun.
[01:21:47] And so I highly, highly, highly recommend you check it out. Puyin Liana.com for all of that fun stuff. Oh, and then drag race also.
[01:22:21] So we had sugar free. So that we were afraid Kevin was going to get medevac. And we didn't want to vote somebody out and then get, have Kevin get pulled the next day. So again, a lot of really great insights from Justin really enjoyed talking with him, as well as the team most recently eliminated from the amazing race, had a really, really fun episode two, as well as episode two recap with Jess and plenty more to follow. I might have a reality flash in the works as a bunch of these cast lists for random upcoming reality shows coming out.
[01:22:50] I've got to break it all down because I don't know if like everyone's trying to be the traitors or if this is like one big coincidence, but it certainly feels like reality. All star shows are out and about, and I will be there to break it all down for you in a flash. That being said, we'll be back. And before you know it in a flash, if you will next week, breaking down the swap episode of survivor 48. I am very intrigued to see how this goes down. Actually for the curious, your boy tried to do his best.
[01:23:18] Liana Boris and analyze the promos. And I was able to discern who the swap tribes are. So if you want a little bit of a jump as to what things might be going down next week, you check that out over on my social media, but regardless, it's sure to be messy. We are surely going to get some of these combative pairs either split up or put together on the same tribe, which should be very exciting as survivor 48 moves into its next phase. And with it, a whole new batch of games.
[01:23:47] If you have any game ideas that you want to send us, you know what to do. All right. J P B and B at gmail.com or hashtag R H A P B and B on social media. Any and all game suggestions are welcome. We are an open book in that regard. That's going to do it for this week's episode of the B and B special. Thanks to everyone behind the scenes at R H A P for packaging this podcast for your eyes and ears.
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