Road to Reality | Survivor x BB Crossover with Andy Herren

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey everybody welcome back to Road To Reality today. We have an exciting

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Crossover episode it is Big Brother season

[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Real loud all of that is going on with Big Brother that I see on the Twitterverse

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I do not spend much time walking watching Big Brother

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I did when I got back from Survivor you can hear about why I got obsessed with the live feeds a little bit through this conversation

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so excited to introduce you to Andy

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Heron who won season 15 of Big Brother if you are not a Big Brother fan

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: That is totally okay

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: This episode is about Andy's life who he was before during and after being on a reality TV show

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_01]: We compare the differences and casting and being on Big Brother versus being on Survivor

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I found it all incredibly interesting and Andy is so funny and so

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Fervescent and lovely that you will not be able to listen to this and not have a lovely time also Andy spends his full-time job

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Outside listening to podcasts all day walking dogs, and he has some of the best podcast recommendations

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_01]: We've had so far on Road To Reality. So stick around to the rapid run questions to hear those

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_01]: We go through Andy's application process some of the paranoia that comes with being a reality TV star hopeful

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_01]: What happens to him at the airport? I almost be my pants laughing. It's so funny

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot wait for you to spend the next hour with the funny friendly kind and

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Unrestimated you'll find out Andy Heron. I do want to just start out with like where you were

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: What year you applied to be on Big Brother where you were in the world and what was going on in your life then yeah

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I okay, so it was 2013 I

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Finish I got my masters in 2011 at the University of Illinois

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Moves to Chicago in 2012

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And was teaching at a college in the suburbs

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And so basically I was like not even at a full year in Chicago yet

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_03]: When I applied for Big Brother in March of 2013

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And then like everything happened really fast my friend Marmita

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I would always there was like a commercial that would air when Big Brother was airing that was like

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Like outgoing like are you fun? Do you think you have what it takes? I always kind of thought I did

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But I just never like I was also lazy and was like I'm not gonna send in a video and

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_03]: My friend Marmita who was like a friend of mine from college

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_03]: She was like hey like she knew where I lived and she was like they're doing an open casting call

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Literally like five minutes from your apartment in Chicago. Just go and so I did and

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I like it like it's actually funny

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I mentioned this on other podcasts as well

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_03]: But at the open casting call

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I actually like sat down at a table like randomly

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_03]: With Helen a woman who ended up being on my season

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And so the two of us just like talked and talked and talked and then like I

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of credit her I mean I credit myself with being like an interesting person

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's how I got on but she went into the room first and when she came back

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_03]: She told me what questions they asked her and so I was able to formulate

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Good responses to the questions that I knew that I was gonna get and then it's funny because like he cuts a six months later

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like the reason that she didn't win like she really trusted me and I just kind of screwed her over and she was like

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Damn, like she's like if I had known that day like that like letting you know what questions

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_03]: They were gonna ask us which actually going to lead to my downfall

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Which I think is funny

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But basically like I went into the casting call like I purposely dressed just kind of innocuous

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember I was wearing a Kelly Kapowski from Saved by the Bell t-shirt red shorts and

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Just like I looked just like a sweet little sweetheart

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And when I went in they asked everybody in the room who they thought was the biggest threat and nobody said me and

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Then finally I was the last person. I would there was like six people in a room

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I was the last person to go and I was like well actually

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm the biggest threat in the room and the fact that nobody said it just highlights what a threat. I am

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just like I look like this. I do not look threatening. I am smarter than you think

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm quicker than you think like I have a master's in communication. I do improv in Chicago

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I can think on my feet. I was like I will be the biggest threat in that house that nobody will see coming and

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_03]: That is honestly that is like exactly what happened

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like people would be out the door and they were just like damn like we did not factor him in and he was a lot

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Scariest than we thought and you were the only one out of the six that made it on the show probably

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Granted it was very exciting that the other person from the Chicago casting call that made it on the show was Ellen

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: That is an early early early like connection

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_03]: When we lined up like you line up to move into the house

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And you're not allowed to talk that the first time you see the rest of the cast is when you line up to move in

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_03]: outside of the lot in like on the like on the CBS studio

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And I saw Helen and I was just like oh my god

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I was just like holy shit

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And so we when we moved into the house like you're not supposed to know anyone that you move in with and so the two of us

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Never addressed it, but we just like we look like I was like

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And she was like

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_03]: We like we knew and look and I've said this on podcast before too

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like all of my friends were just like why did you align with the moms right away?

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it was Helen and then Alyssa who are both these moms and they like had the mom connection

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh and

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Right and I aligned with them because I was like you don't know if anybody or if everybody is what they say or who they are

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Who they say they are I knew I knew Helen and so I was like I trusted her right off the bat

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And like it also helped that she was just like a smart woman that I enjoyed

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you go some of your friend says go go to the calling you walk out feeling like I nailed it

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I would think yeah, you you walked out feeling like I nailed it and how long was it until you heard from casting like immediately

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So basically I had the casting call and I I mean I'm not like a not confident person, but I was really confident

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just like man. They loved me and so I would say like

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Four hours later

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I got a phone call that I was a semi-finalist and then like two days after that I had a taped

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I had to go to a hotel downtown and I have semi-finalist interview where they like filmed me

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they talked to me for like an hour and filmed me and then after that I would say I heard back maybe two weeks later

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was told that I was a finalist

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But that like there was like a month that was gonna go by until finals casting

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_03]: But they were like you are a finalist and they were like we will be flying you to LA

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Like mid-May and so I flew to LA and that was like really it's like a fun exciting process because like

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_03]: You disappear I was there for a week and you can't tell anyone and so it's like yeah

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Did they threaten you guys as much as they threaten us like don't anybody where you're going? Okay? Yes, and I was like pretty

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like a rule follower in that regard and so I was just like very nervous about it

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I truly didn't tell anyone. Oh my god. Were you like on the airplane like looking at I remember going to casting flying

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: They're like looking on the airplane like oh my god does somebody know why I'm going to LA

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Just like being so paranoid

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_03]: This is actually crazy like just CVS is messy and just like like whatever but

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_03]: On my boarding pass like they they they figure everything out and they just like send you your information

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I go when I print my boarding pass off and

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_03]: My name is spelled wrong

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I have to like go like and so like yet again

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_03]: They tell you you're not allowed to say anything to anybody

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I was just like what the fuck do I do?

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_03]: So I go like to the I go look to the ticket counter and I was like um my name is miss spelled and they were just like

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_03]: What they were like well, why did you miss spell your name and I was like I?

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't know to say

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: If I told you I'd have to kill you

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I literally like call I called like the CV and I was like what do I do like I was like am I allowed to tell

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_03]: The ticket agent like what is going on because they're not gonna let me on the plane because like everything is weird because they think that I

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_03]: entered my name in incorrectly

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And all worked out

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Did they tell you did they tell you you could tell the

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_02]: They told me that I could tell

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I actually like God, I don't actually fully remember what happened about

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, of course

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But I thought that was very funny and on Dom's episode and last season we talked a lot about our paranoia

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And like how we lied to people on the airplane going over there because you're just like so nervous that you're gonna miss

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Mess up this chance or get caught or they've got people watching you or whatever

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So to have your poor ticket not lined up and then you're like do I tell and then of course the airport is like the worst place to be

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Acting sus

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like and so but yeah, so then I go to finals casting and it's like at finals

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I think speaking of me being stressed out

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, they were like you're not allowed to speak to anyone who is not like from the production team

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So I once was watching the movie Rosemary's baby, which is actually not a loud movie. I was like not talking

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I was I was on my computer watching Rosemary's baby in my room and I got a noise complaint

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And so in my head I was like did I actually get a nice complaint? Are they testing?

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I was like a hotel worker came and was like hey like you got a noise complaint

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Are you able to learn like whatever you're watching down and I yet again was so paranoid about speaking? I was like

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_03]: This is testing me and so yet again, I would not speak to the person that came to the door to warn me about my noise complaint

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But in the moment you're so nervous that you're gonna do something to trip the wire to

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Out of the casting process

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_03]: The casting process is so stressful and nerve-wracking

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's also kind of fun when you keep like when you keep making it one rung further up the ladder

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you notice that like the people that you're seeing around are getting less and less and less

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like oh my god, like okay

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like actually they're like they are definitely sending people home and I am still here and that's exciting

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Did they run the hotel similar to the survivor time?

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is like you get a time to eat you get a time to go to the gym then sometimes going and doing okay

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know it was exciting

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's hi. I feel like I

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't even really remember

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_01]: The I guess I remember the group getting smaller

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But they only had us together as a big group one time and they were about 24 of us

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: How big ever was the group were you in?

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I would say smaller than that

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well actually so I mean for my like pool time and gym time and like eating time

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It was like probably 10 to 12

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: There were a couple instances where they did put a lot of us in like a big room and they would let call us one by one to

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Do interviews. Yes. And so there were times where I would see like 50 people

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But whoa, that's okay

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So there were a lot more people there than then what I've ever heard of been in survivor

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Like weeks casting weeks is Lynn Spillman around at that point. Is she also doing

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I didn't know if I'm not

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a real huge big brother a fan or watch or I'm an Andy Herron fan

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not so I don't know a ton of big brother and I imagine a lot of people listening here are not

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Necessarily as keyed in to the to the big brother space. So you go to finals you get to finals

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: We know we make it through finals when they give us

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Vaccines they start to shoot you up in the arm with

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: vaccines

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: What happened at the end of your casting week like before you left you made it all the way through and how did you know you were like I

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Mean they were like here is the start date of finals and here is the end date

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But we could send you home anytime before the end date. Okay, get it to the end day

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And so that's how I knew yeah, they just sent me home and they were like okay

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_03]: You'll hear back from us in a few weeks and then

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_03]: They reached out probably like early June and they were just like okay

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_03]: You are in the top 25 and they were just like so what we're gonna do is we are gonna send a film crew out to Chicago

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_03]: On like June 13th or something and we want to get more footage of you to like sell you to the network

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like no you don't I was like I made the show absolutely

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like you would not be spending like thousands of dollars

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_03]: To get photos of me like pointing at a whiteboard teaching like that's absurd

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_01]: They were doing at the time like had you watched the show enough and you were big enough of a fan that you knew that they had like

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like I'm absolutely

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Today like they give you a key

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_03]: They look surprised you with a key and I was like I'm a hundred percent getting my key

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And here's the thing I would have looked like such an asshole if I didn't because this was when I truly did break protocol

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I had a goodbye dinner with like all of my friends. I was like, I'm definitely leaving for my brother tomorrow

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I love you all like 25 people at dinner. I was like, I love you all like I am going to big brother

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they're gonna take me tomorrow for sure

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And so then they came and we went to the school that I was teaching at and they surprised me with my mean yet again

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I pretty much know

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_03]: With your job like they they told you they were like like it I mean I was lucky enough where I

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Basically took the summer off and it was a gamble like I was just they were like

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Basically, I was an adjunct and so it's like I taught semester by semester

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I was like, oh, I just I'm not gonna be I told them maybe a week or two before

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I'm not gonna come in for the summer semester

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And so if I had not gotten chosen for big brother, I just like wouldn't have had a job for the summer

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But I was lucky enough in that I just was able to like take the summer off

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I told them also I was like I told my friend Shondra who was running my life essentially

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let the school know by like August if I was still on the show

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_03]: To like let them know that I was not gonna be back

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And so when you go on big brother at least at the time

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you get to leave earlier? Do they have like a

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: equivalent of

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Ponderosa house

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Where you have to stay if you mean you didn't you win so you're there the whole time

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Get voted out because big brother is how many days at the time 90 for 90 days

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you get voted out, do you have to stay or you get to go home?

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_03]: If you are so my season the jury's sometimes the jury is seven people sometimes the jury is nine people

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_03]: My season there were 16 of us the first five people evicted just boom went on like they literally just got sent out

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and then the next nine people were the jury and

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So like our first year Candace was voted out on day 49 and so from day four like over 40 days

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_03]: She was in they go to a sequester house. And so there's like and it's just like a mansion

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like a mansion nice house. Yeah, it's like a mansion in LA

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's like I always say like if you're not gonna win big brother

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I think like the ideal position to get is first year because then you just get like an

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Amazing summer and a mansion off like like so basically yeah

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the nine jurors all go to the jury house one per week or if there's a double two in a week

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and there's a competition where a juror gets to come back

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And I remember like Candace our first year

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Literally when she came back to like compete to like get back into the house. She was like the jury house is amazing

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_03]: She was like I just like lay at the pool and watch movies all day. I love it

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Not on camera

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not getting I always say if I ever got asked to play big brother again

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean clearly I'd want to win but I would also really want to make jury because that is the one part of the experience

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_03]: That I never got can we talk about what?

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: The mind what it does to like the mind and

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: the body to be in the big brother house for 90 days. I mean, okay, so

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it wasn't that hard for me. Like I don't know what that says about me

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But also this there's like I'm gonna sound like such a dick

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's like I got my way every week like I never didn't get what I wanted

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's like sure like that took a lot of work

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I had to like work people over and like constantly be on my toes

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_03]: but I was never really that like but I was like never really in trouble and so I

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_03]: like

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Didn't really you know like like I think it would have been a lot worse if there were multiple weeks where I would have had to like

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Where I knew that I had to like win something or I was out or like even if there was like a week where like

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I had to go an entire week knowing everyone was gonna vote me out

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But just that never happened like I I just like I had a

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Stressful experience in the fact that like I needed to like I was lying to I was like

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I was juggling a hundred plates and none of them could fall or I would get discovered which yes is stressful

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But none of them did fall and so like as a result

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I had like I got my way and it's just like I never really had to

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Go to like a dark or like depressing place while I was there if that makes sense

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I assume that some people have a really hard goal

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_03]: To betrayed and have a whole experience. Yeah, if I had known that I

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_03]: If I had known that I was like gonna go home

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I would have been devastated because it's like pretty much when like someone wins had a household on Thursday and like if your enemy wins

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_03]: You know you're fucked basically and so it's like if that had happened

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And I would have known that my dream was like coming to an end for a week

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I would have been I feel like I would have had a really rough week

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But that just didn't happen

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And so like it also just taught me that like like the house broke some people and it just didn't break me

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I really always had my eyes on the prize and

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't have as stressful of a situation as a lot of people

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if that makes sense so given we'll say that you got out as

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_01]: unscathed as it is possible to be

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Given that you got out as unscathed as possible compared to most people's experience

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: What was still difficult like where there's still things about?

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Watching for camera. Are you just totally forgetting the camera? Okay after like a week you totally forget about the cameras

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_03]: That's really not a big deal

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean the biggest deal is like I'm an inch like I trick everyone into thinking that I'm an extrovert

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm an introvert like I need my alone time

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I need time to like just decompress and so not getting that was maybe the hardest thing for me

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But I even still kind of get got that like I would go there's a room

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_03]: When you win head of household get your own bedroom

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm of being friends with everybody is whoever won head of household

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I would be like hey

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Can I go up to that of household room and just lock myself in there for like an hour and like take a shower and listen to music

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And like I would do that and everybody would like let me do that

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I just kind of like got my alone time. Okay, and then but then the other thing is like

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_03]: If you don't like someone

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_03]: You have no escape from that

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Real life if you don't like someone you don't have to be around them, but in the big brother house if you don't like someone

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You like I said you get you have no way of escaping them

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And so it just like festers and grows and like like it does not shock me when people fight

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know I'm saying because I'm yeah, no escape of getting away from this person

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: That's annoying you but the good thing is on my season

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we got rid of a lot of the annoying people right away

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it was just like okay this person is fucking annoying and everybody sees it and everybody agrees like they're in kid

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_03]: like it's like

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_03]: honestly unless you like really come out as like

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Like someone who wants to make huge moves right away, and you play too hard too fast

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: You can go that way but usually

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_03]: What happens is the people that you vote out first are the people that are annoying

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Live with this person who like is annoying you know

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm saying you kind of just band together with the other people you like and you're just like okay this

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Inconsiderate like alpha male who is like eating all of our food and screaming at the women

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Like can we just get rid of him, and it's just like yes

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_03]: You know so on the

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Like

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Experience of being quote-unquote locked in

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Not being able to get to the outside world like you were a person who could just

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_01]: ride the ride and

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So does that would that describe it well like you were just in it? It's going well

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: You're forgetting that you're I mean you're aware that you're on camera, but kind of forgetting it

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You're not stressed about

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Is like I don't want to say it was not stressful because it was actually incredibly stressful, but like it was never that like

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Obscending if that makes sense. Yeah people it is an upsetting experience. It looks like it's upsetting from what I've seen yes

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And for me honestly for the first half of the summer

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just like in summer camp like I was like okay. I am in no danger

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody likes me like no my my motto was like whoever wins had a household

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Make sure that nobody will put you up and I really did think that that's exactly what was going on

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But then halfway through the summer. I was like, okay

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Now I feel like we're entering the end game here like I am

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Like lying to all these people and nobody suspects me now

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I really do need to be like much more aware of what I am saying and to who

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And so that was stressful just in and of itself because I needed to always be on my toes

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like always thinking about what I was doing and saying and making sure I didn't slip up or anything

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It just blows my mind like honestly like I can't even

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Bad um like when you're saying like oh, I was like halfway through the summer like

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_01]: like

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: given the intensity maybe of the survivor experience of not eating and being outside and

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: All of that I wonder if it's different, but I can't believe that it's that

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Different I mean other than not being malnourished which I assume does some stuff to our brains and like sleeping outside and being in the dirt

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I imagine it like does some stuff, but the

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: How do I how do I say like when you're saying like oh halfway through summer

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Like my body goes into like almost a tense and I had a great time

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my body goes into this tense thing of like you were in it

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or an entire summer

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you feeling?

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Disconnected from the Andy that you were before you go in the show. Are you feeling like this is big brother Andy?

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: This is my TV person. This is like what's happening with yourself?

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Senterness I mean that I like have always I was like just talking to a friend about this

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I have just always been like unabashedly me like when I was in high school

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like overweight closeted the number two ranked bassoonist in the state of Illinois like basically

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I was on my knees begging people to bully me and I like never was just because I think I've always like kind of liked myself

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And been comfortable with who I am and so in that regard

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I really do feel like I didn't lose myself while I was in there

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I was my like jovial friendly

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I think an underrated thing about my win and how I did well is I joked around with people and I like

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Made fun of people but like in a warm way and I used humor to get people to like me

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But in that regard yes, that person was still there

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But I also am like a type A person who is like

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Who can like command a room and things like that and when I was on the show

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like oh, I'm living with 15 other type A's. I need to become a type B

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And so my friends who are watching me were expecting like me to be more entertaining

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess and so basically I was like I could either be entertaining or I could win and I was like

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I want that money like I want to win. I was an adjunct professor. I had no money

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I want the money and so I just like shut up and I listened and I like let

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody else through the talking and I like everybody told me everything

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I would use that information against them like you know, I'm saying

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Where did you learn to do that in your life?

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you have other examples of doing this in your life before you went on the show where it's like

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna take the type B quiet listener. I mean not really

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Like but also like I said that like I'm I do I'm like an intro to my core

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And so like I can only be on for so much time and so also there were I was just like

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I've been like on I want to just like sit back and like you know, I'm saying like it's like I

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Definitely feel like I was still me, but I was like a much lessened version of me

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you talk about how different you think it would have been if there weren't live feeds or how different

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Survivor beat would be if there were live feeds. I mean honestly probably not too much different to be honest with you

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like like yet again, I wouldn't I feel like I would not have been very conflict prone

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't I really don't think it would have been too different

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I would have like like there were moments where I

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Like rained in my humor sometimes because my humor I feel like can be misconstructed

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: My humor is dark and sarcastic and I was just like, okay

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I need to like I feel like I could offend people watching the live feeds even if I like don't think I was gonna offend

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_03]: People that I lived with so sometimes I read that in

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But like I mean yeah

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just cute

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like cuz there I I've always felt like there were times where I was out there like where I talked about my

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Divorce and my sex life and all this stuff, but we always had this

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of false sense that none of it would be right

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is it true because they could they pull sometimes they pull random stuff, but we could forget

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_01]: That the cameras were going because there isn't this live stream and I wonder if you guys

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Couldn't just knowing that there was this potential

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it was live stream

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of forget and it's like I talked about a bunch of stuff that I like probably shouldn't have

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Like about like my personal life and things like that

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_03]: You really do when you're in that environment forget that you're being filmed 24-7. I don't doubt that

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I know I did for sure and the cameras are in our face just as much as they are now and

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_03]: People don't realize you don't see there's you never see any other people besides the people living in the house

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And so there is not like a cameraman in your face with a camera

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's even that would be even crazier

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just endlessly fascinated by this live feed thing and when I got back from survivor

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Was actually the first time that I watched big brother because it was

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Filming or they were live feeds when I got back and I was in my post survivor

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Illness yeah, I was watching the live feeds ferociously

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: What season was it? Do you remember? Yeah, it was the season with Caitlyn and 20. Okay. That's a good one

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it was really it was really fun

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But I just remember like and you could select which live feed kind of I think you could select

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you could select which live feed and just like incessantly like I was obsessed with watching it because it gave me the

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Gave me the feeling of on survivor you like trying to

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: People are over there on the beach. You want to know what they're saying people are over there on the island

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: What are they saying people are on the other tribe?

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_01]: What are they saying so being able to click through those live feeds was like a very I think maybe unhealthy

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Like addiction did you have that when you got back or no?

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Always wanted to know where everyone wasn't who was talking to Toby's talking to go

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Among feed watchers for like popping into every room and one thing that I did that was very strategic is I left a

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Personal item of mine in every room so that I could come in and not seem like a busy body

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I would be like oh my god. I'm like I'm so sorry. Don't mind me. I'm just getting you like can't keep track of your shit

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, but it's like what weirdly like yeah

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Like people should have been like why is your stuff in a bedroom?

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not yours

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But nobody ever questioned it and so I would be like don't mind me

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just coming in to get my hairbrush or like my shower stuff and I would like clock what was going on in every room

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, what was your question you asked me?

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's so that first of all that's so fasty. Oh my gosh. I love it

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I just was wondering if you when you got back

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you watch the live feeds of the other seasons or what how were you

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I think you either like have the live feeds Jean or you don't and I just I just I think they're so boring

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And here's the thing like this like came back to bite me in the ass when I was on the show because I was a

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I was a very huge fan of the show

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But I feel like a super fan is someone who watches the live feeds and I never did like I watched every episode of the

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Televised show I kept up with things on Twitter like things like that, but I did not do the live feed

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I just was like not aware of how you were supposed to like like so for example

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_03]: If I had watched the live feeds, I would have known that in this one instance

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_03]: There was it was final five head of household and it was like a knockout competition

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I got knocked out first and so they were like

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, will you go into the house and entertain the live feeders?

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Well the competition is still happening and I'm so dumb because like viewers my game was like very

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Complex and nuanced so a lot of viewers didn't know what I was doing and in this moment if I understood the live feeds

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I could have come back in and been like everybody. This has been my plan. Everything is going according to it

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_03]: This is what's gonna happen next, but I did not know to do that

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_03]: When I came into the house, I just like did the dishes and then folded silverware

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like just like cleaned and just did not say a word

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Miss opportunity

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't even think of it

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_03]: But I was like well, I guess the live theaters can watch me clean the couch

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you know saying like that's what I was doing when I came in and I like didn't even like I never knew to speak to the live

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_03]: theaters which like a lot of people do

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I feel stupid like living back. It's like nice. I feel like

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Like of course why didn't I do that? But honestly, I just didn't did not even think to did it cross your mind since you don't know

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_01]: The live feed did not cross my mind. I don't think I have the live feed gene

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I was dealing with some yeah

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But to get back to your question so when I got back

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I know I have never been that into life is

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But I like I like fake that I am like I will follow accounts on Twitter that are just like big fight at like

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_03]: 302 p.m. I'm camera 3 and I will let go watch that and then I like tweet about the fight like I watched the live feeds, but I do not

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You watch the highlights of the life

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_03]: There is no world in which I ever find myself just like sitting in my apartment with the life

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Is there is there a transition time when you get out of the house where you are still

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Wanting to hear every conversation that's going on you're still trying to track like you're back home and you're back with your friends or family

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely not

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, not when I like it. It's funny. I just like I was so over it and like exhausted when I was done

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_03]: They were just like oh my gosh like usually when people win like they stick around LA like they're like parties and stuff

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_03]: We can like they were like we can fly you home tomorrow or we can fly you home in a week

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like flying me home tomorrow

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Please get me home as soon as possible and I just like wanted to see my friends and get back to my everyday life

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like just get back to like a sense of normalcy if that makes sense

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So what if anything when you go back to your sense of normalcy feels weird to you

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Anything I mean the only like it's like meeting new people if that makes sense like I

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Like every once in a while I would like be going on dates with a guy and then I'm like date three

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_03]: He would be like I'm a huge big brother fan. I would be like oh, well, I was just like damn like I want to know

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_01]: They knew or after you had aired

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean you're alive and so it's like oh yeah, duh. Duh, duh, duh, sorry

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they would be like I'm a huge big brother fan

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like look I was like I want to know that you like like me for me and not because you watch me on TV

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But that wasn't even that big of a deal, but other than not really to be honest and you're still in Chicago

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So you didn't have huge

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're not still teaching right so tell me about some of the changes that have happened

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And your in your life post big brother and are any of them ascribed prescribed

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_03]: To big brother what I'm doing work wise now. I would give a little bit of credit to big brother

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_03]: like I all I run my own dog walking business and I feel like I had

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_03]: The resources to just like let it grow slowly if that makes sense

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I had some money under me were like I want super strap for money

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And so like over the course of like a couple years

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I am asked like this base of clients that have now like it just kept growing and growing and growing

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It was nice to be able to like kind of like smoothly and slowly transition into that as opposed to being like I

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Am strapped for money. I need to figure something out now if that makes sense

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Did you ever go back to teaching or you started?

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Teaching and then on my days off

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I would usually teach like Monday Wednesday Friday

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And then on my days off

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I started walking my friends dogs and I was just like because I was bored and I was like oh

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I like this more and I think if I actually like focus on this I could make like double what I'm making teaching and

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_03]: It turns out that I was right

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But basically I now work a job where like I am like getting fresh air all day. I'm listening to podcasts all day

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm with dogs all day

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_03]: it is like

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Amazing for my mental and my physical health and I really like what I do

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think I would have been able to figure this out as smoothly and as easily if I didn't have a little bit of a

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Cushion on

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you still work for your own business? Do you have business partners? It's you and your dog. There's the other thing

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I am so lazy. It's just me like everybody is like oh my gosh

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_03]: You should like hire employees you should expand and I'm like but that would require me to have like one ounce of career ambition

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Which I just don't and so it's like I am comfortable. I am happy. That's like all that really matters to me

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It's funny. I was like at a party the other day

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I was saying how I have no career ambition like I have I never have had be like

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Drive in me to like climb the corporate ladder

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I just want to be happy and that is like matter the most to me always

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And then like 10 minutes later

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I was talking to the same group of people and I was talking about how I am not handy and can't fix anything

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like wow no career ambition

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I sound like such a catch

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You are such a catch and I imagine that that has to do with the fact that you prioritize

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: What you want to be doing on a day-to-day basis and have brought that into your career

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You are a career person. You own your own freaking business

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_01]: like you

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: so I think our world today has this idea of what success is

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, maybe some people would be like a dog walker isn't that my Z or whatever

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I get that I truly will I will get oh so you're just you're you're a

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, absolutely. I get that or like you have your masters and you're a dog walker

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like yep, I am and I'm happy and that's all that matters to me. Love you

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And you must really love it because you do it in Chicago winters which I think is the

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Hell on earth this is you're gonna think I'm crazy

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I was recently asked if I could choose a like 10 degree day or a 90 degree day 10 degrees all day every day

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I would choose over 90. Oh my god. I don't know how you do that. What's your ideal?

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_01]: What's the ideal if every day could be temperature?

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_03]: No, but the patient San Francisco weather a little overcast in 65 is my like ideal. Where did you where did you grow up?

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is like 45 minutes outside of Chicago

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you're and you you love being there. There's no you just said San Francisco

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no no plans to go

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Like a city's weather than I like the most who it's that

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I think I think I am here to stay at least for a while. I really love it here. I

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Love the idea. I feel like I follow your Instagram in the

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_01]: In the way of like well first of all who doesn't love dogs

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean some people but so loving dogs and you just had posted about how good you feel because you are

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Moving your body and you have a job where you're out into out in fresh air and doing all this stuff

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Another thing that I've noticed on your social media as I've stopped you

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_01]: That has brought a lot of joy and freedom to your life is sobriety

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you would do you like to talk about that or it not so much? No apps

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so happy to talk about it. So tell me about your decision to be sober and what that has meant for you

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so my thing was like I'm very thankful for this

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I never was the type of drinker who was like, oh, I've had a stressful day

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I need a drink or like I need to like loosen myself up at a party

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I need a drink that was never me like never once did I like come home from work and have like a glass of wine or beer

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_03]: My issue was I was a social drinker and I was a problem drinker once I

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Started drinking so like once you pop you can't stop

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely girl. And so it's like it's reaching for that first drink is never an issue

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But on like a Saturday where I would start drinking

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I would then have 15 more drinks and stay on till five in the morning

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like I'm getting too old

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just like I'm getting too old for this and I'm just like

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Waking up like I would be like I blacked out last night and I'm like embarrassed

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was just like I don't like the way that this is making me feel and it's like it's like

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a movie called smash with with Mary Elizabeth Winston where she has this big model

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I wish she's like what used to be fun is now kind of embarrassing and scary

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And that was like how I felt I was just like it is not fun anymore

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I am waking up not feeling great about my choices and like what I'm doing

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I was like I want to just make I'm like a go hard person

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like I want to just make a big change and see how I feel

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And it has been amazing like like and so I do you just like cold turkey or like I'm just

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you say I'm going to do it for two weeks or 30 days or what?

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I cold turkey. I was like I'm done forever and it's all substances

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_03]: So people are like oh are you like California sober? And I'm like no, I'm sober sober

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And like I have to give both myself and my friends credit

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I think one of my superpowers is being able to choose good friends like

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_03]: We're like growing up like like I said like kind of overweight and like like

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I was able like my friends who were my friends were people who liked me for me

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And I am able as an adult to sus sorry

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I am able to as I'm able to suss that out and I feel like I

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Really truly think I have the most amazing supportive group of friends

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And so they have been a godsend like they have made things very easy

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I never feel like I'm like alone or feel like I don't have things to do

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I always have people wanting to do things with me and like the thing is

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I already my natural demeanor is like someone that's five drinks in

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't need it to like have a good time with a social lubricant

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I will go what I will do now is and I also just feel like it's a thing where my friends are aging out of like

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_03]: The crazy binge drinking our bodies can't do it anymore

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, but it's like I will go to a party

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And I will I will from seven until eleven

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I will stay there and I will have a great time and then when I see people's eyes getting glassy

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And people being like let's go to the bars. I go home and I don't think I've missed anything

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I will like ask people what I missed and people will be like nothing

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Like if anything people fought at the bar or like people this happened and I'm like I'm glad I didn't miss it

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I get to bed earlier. I have become like an early to bed early to riser

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but no and it's like I don't think sobriety is for everybody

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But I do think that it was the right choice for me

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that like me a few drinks in was

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely my like silliest and funniest and me like like at like my comedy apex

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But the problem was

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I did not know to stop there

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I would go from being so funny and so great to being like a blacked out zombie

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was just like that sucks and that's annoying and I don't like that and I don't like

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I am a like smart interesting cool person

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like people who are out at a bar

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Seeing me like barely able to stand up that sucks like

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I I

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_01]: My body is just sort of giving up on me more than anything that I just get so sick that I can't even have if I

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Have a glass of wine sometimes I'll throw it up

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So my body's just

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Said no and you'd think I would stop trying but I still try on occasion, but I've definitely been like

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_01]: looking into sober curious and just

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_01]: What is it like to stay away from those sorts of experiences and my mom always said nothing good ever happens after midnight

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I totally agree. I always say that too. I absolutely agree

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I'm annoyed that my mom was right, but I think she might have been right

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And like I said, it's just like it has shown me like what great people I have in my life

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And I still I still have a lot of fun like it's like I don't miss it. I truly don't

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you do? What do you what do you do instead if you're gonna go to what are you drinking instead?

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean diet coke. I don't know. Yeah DC's baby

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Like oh my gosh, do you love like a mocktail and I actually like I'm weird about that. I'm like no

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I don't want to spend 19 dollars for a glass of juice. I'm sorry. Like I think that's ridiculous

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Like my my big saving graces are that good friends and how much I love movies

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's like that gives me something like usually at least on like one weekend night

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I will go to a movie with a friend at like seven and that like gives me something to do

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Something to do that I like

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_03]: um, and I also just like

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm content just like staying in and like watching a movie in my apartment

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Or you know, I'm saying like I don't really get FOMO that bad

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's good

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a and as you said all of your friends are getting older and I wonder if some of your friends too enjoy having

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_01]: A person in a space to go to where they also don't have to put on quote have to drink

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So just like a different way of of being

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, is there any like resources or anything that you like podcasts or books or something that you listen to about sobriety?

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Are you just like I feel like yet again

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_03]: This is annoying because I know like some people really struggle with it

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And I hate just sitting here being like it was so easy and I didn't do anything

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to be sorry about your life experience

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I just like one day decided that I was done and then I didn't I did not read anything. I did not go anywhere

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I did not I just was like I'm done and I'm never gonna do it again

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a refreshing to hear

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think sometimes when we want to change something in our lives

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_01]: We feel like

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_01]: In our society like packages up and sells all of this self-care stuff

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Like sometimes it doesn't feel like we can just make these decisions

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it feels like we have to listen to the right pot or get the right book or take the right exercise class

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Or do some checklist to get where we want to be I think it's refreshing to hear that for some things

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It's still just an option anything else about like sobriety life or life changes that you want to share

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Not really. I feel like it's like

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the one thing it's like meeting people to like date

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like that's one thing that I had to like

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like I would need people ours and it's just like that doesn't happen as much

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess I like am on apps more but I also just like that's another thing

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm very comfortable not dating and so it's like I am not closed off to the idea of dating

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But I am usually not like on the prowl. I'm not someone who's like I must have a partner

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I'm very content being single

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And so how much does that how much does

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Along with dating and just like being out are you recognized still for big brother stuff?

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Does this still happen a lot or does it I I don't look like anybody and so it's like if you see me

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like you know

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I would say

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_03]: When on the off season like if a season is not currently airing. I am probably recognized

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_03]: twice a week

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_03]: During the season like during the summer. I would say it's like

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Almost daily still

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_01]: That is a lot

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_01]: What

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_01]: How has that played into your?

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's 10 years ago now. We're talking you're still on a daily or

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_01]: A couple times a week

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe daily is a little much every like a couple times a week for sure couple times weeks

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I can go months without somebody now now

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Like a family friend or something. I can't I probably I can't go months

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't go a week without somebody bringing up that I was on survivor

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But I cannot go I could go months without a stranger stopping me on the street and of this I'm thankful for

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what is

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_01]: What is your tolerance for that? What do you love it? Do you

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of indifferent. I don't hate it

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I'm never like seeking it out like if like going back to dating. I'm never gonna bring it up like

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Usually it will somehow come up after a while, but I'm never gonna like mention it first

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I've only been like I'm always gonna be I'm just friendly in general and nice

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm always gonna be nice the only time I ever haven't been I was wasted

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was like pretty soon after the show and I just like it was like to the point where I couldn't go out and have fun without like

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Being stopped a ton. Like it made me realize that I truly think being famous as a prison

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I was z-list famous and I was like getting fed up when I was out

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But I was like in the bathroom at a bar peeing and a guy like came up to me and like grabbed my shoulder and was like

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Andy from big brother

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I just like whipped around and was like fuck off

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I was like, you know, I was in the bathroom. I'm like

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_03]: That I still feel bad about that because that is like not me

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_03]: But just like he might my fuse is low and this person just handled it incorrectly and got me right as the fuse went out

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Um

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean after with that many times we're talking 10 years now

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_01]: This is hundreds of times like to have one go quote unquote

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Not as well as you'd like and you were in the middle of taking a pee

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I would say that you get it a plus and handling it all

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Like most people

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Know the appropriate way to do it like they'll come up to me

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_03]: They will talk to me for 30 seconds or less and they will ask for a picture great

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_03]: There would be times at bars where people would talk to me for like 20 minutes

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And I would just be like I'm here with my friends

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm never going to be like leave me alone

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But I would be like I want to go I'm here with my friends. My time is valuable like get away from me

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Like like I do not owe you anything, but I'm still going to be nice to you

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's like how do you not realize that it is unacceptable or unacceptable to be speaking to me for this law

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That is a crazy amount not that I not that I don't want to take anything away from your fame Andy

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I just thought it is that was a lot that's it's more of I think than

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Most survivor experience people I think so I wonder what I guess

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just more hours on the television and also you're just so memorable and in a lovely way you're hard to forget

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I just like look I just there's nobody that looks like me. It's so I feel like I do stick out

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I have like very identifiable features

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And the other thing you have to take into account is I spend eight hours of every day walking around outside

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's like there is a much higher likelihood

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_03]: That someone is gonna be doing that as opposed to if I worked like an office job or work from home where I'm never outside

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's true. That's true. I'm in the middle of Indiana working from home

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have many people coming off this tree

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_01]: recognizing me from

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_01]: from survivor

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay. Well, is there any is there anything else you have the attention of a survivor audience here?

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Is there anything else that you would want the survivor people to know about?

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You as a person that maybe isn't out in the world or about the big brother experience or just anything

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_03]: You have the you have the floor. I mean, I'm just such an open book

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like if you follow me on any sort of social media, you know pretty much everything about me

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. I I can't really think of anything off the top of my head really

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's okay. You don't have to think of anything

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I just want the people the guests on this show to feel like they actually can be themselves and not have to like

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Be the version that they were on on big brother or survivor or whatever

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So I just want to make sure you are pretty much always going to get

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Unauthentic like I'm just going to be authentic with you. And so like you are getting me

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Say here we go rapid round questions with Andy Herron. How many times did you apply for big brother?

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_01]: One one and done and I always tell people it's like

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Big brother is a like puzzle and your piece just has to fit in a certain year

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like I really do think my year they were like, okay

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_03]: We cast a lot of like bitchy like not very strategic gay guys

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I think we kind of should put in like

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_03]: A somewhat smart gay guy and I think I just got lucky that that's what they were looking for my season

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Like if I applied one season later

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I never would have gotten on because freaky grande was on the season after me

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's like it just so happened that I chose the right season to audition for

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there were a lot of suppositions there taking away credit for like the unique

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Individual like engrossing like wonderful warm person that you are

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree. I don't really like

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I agree with you

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But like I said, I really do think that like I really just fit the puzzle piece that they wanted for my season

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's how it is for all all reality tv shows like you just

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't lie be yourself and then wait for the timing to be right

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I always tell people just be yourself

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But maybe like a little heightened version of yourself

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But don't sell yourself as someone that you're not because they can tell

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_03]: so fast

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes real quick. Um, so on the survivor bios they use you have to

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_01]: When you first apply you write down three words that describe yourself

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they post those as your bio like when they release the cast

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is sort of a unique thing for us survivors because

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like wait, what when did I write that down?

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_01]: What I wrote this down when I didn't even know I was getting a call back and now it's like my official bio

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So I let people on this show rewrite their three words that they use if they want to

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But do you just have three words that you would that you connect with describing yourself?

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean honestly like

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_03]: funny friendly like kind I feel like

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Under us I feel like in

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_03]: In life I am consistently underestimated and I like that because like I don't think I come off as like some idiot

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But I also just think people will be like oh you are like sharper than I initially thought or like like I said

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm big brother people were like

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you were definitely someone that I should have been worried about and I wasn't

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that me being like warm and friendly is like

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Something that people can like people will assume that I'm like weaker than I am because of that

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's like I'm quite strong-willed as well

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I love that and it seems like that's how you've been your whole life

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Like when you describe little Andy playing the bassoon bassoon

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like you were probably just still running with a smile and doing all that stuff back then

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_01]: What was so from the day you like walked into apply until this moment right now

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_01]: What was the hardest part of the big brother experience and the best part?

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean like

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_03]: The best part was my name

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what all the winners say

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I check baby

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_03]: honestly like

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_03]: The hardest part of the experience like

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like that's this sounds so annoying, but I'm like I don't really feel like there was a specific thing that was that hard

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is probably nothing

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But if you could go back and give yourself one piece of advice on day one of starting big brother, what would it be?

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Like just honestly, it's listen like it's like listen to people

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And like don't like so many people that are on big brother are going to really want to talk about themselves

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is fine, but it's like let them talk about themselves to you and like let like just listen to them and take in what they're saying

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And number one it helps you to get to know them as a person and number two

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_03]: They might tell you things that you can use again

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And leave your goody bags in all of the rooms so you can have every single conversation

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm just I'm just honestly

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Be nice like it's like I

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_03]: brutally like lied to and backstabbed

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Three quarters of the jury and they were all still happy to award me a win because they were like it was strategic

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_03]: What he did I was never personal. I was never nasty like it's like I was nice to everybody

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Be nice. It's great advice. Some people can't sort that when they go on reality tv

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Um other than big brother, what's your favorite reality tv show? Survivor

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you just saying that because you're here

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm seeing like people are like, oh like how much like I'll be on one of these podcasts on like r.h.p

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Pierce Lincoln

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_03]: They'll be like it'll come up like how much survivor do you really know and I'm like honey

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I have watched every episode of every season of survivor don't come from my survivor knowledge

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_01]: If they called you up for survivor 50 would you go play?

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, actually, I mean, I don't think I would be as good at survivor. I've never camped today in my life

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and so I think survivor

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I always thought big brother was my game and survivor was not and so I think I would be much better at big brother than survivor

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you but you would

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You you would do it. You would think it would you take the risk

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I know

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cool. I wondered as some people are like i'm not doing that those people are crazy

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, is there a favorite place in the world that you like to share that listeners could visit?

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_03]: um, the great barrier reef in australia

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_03]: The most stunning scuba diving i've ever done in my life the coolest thing i've ever done

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And it is dying sadly and so like go as soon as you can it was absolutely gorgeous

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_03]: That is like the greatest place i've ever been

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's so cool. I have never even been to australia. I need to need to make my way over there

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, is there a book or an article that you?

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Would recommend to listeners as your favorite?

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, i'm so like i'm gonna bunch of sunlicks shenanigans. I'm a movie and tv person

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Well actually give a movie because I don't have a movie question. So let's hear a movie

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_03]: My favorite movie of all time is rome and michelle's high school reunion

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh and my favorite movie series of all time is scream

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I do not think there was a bad one among all six of them

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And so if people want like an actual like thing to do watch all six screen movies

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you so you say you listen to podcasts all the time you're in the in your ears all the time

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_03]: What is your favorite podcast? Um, okay. Oh god, uh, this is one of those things where I listen to so many

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna just like blank out. Uh, I love I truly i'm not just being a suck up

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I love all of the rhap content

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I listen to a lot of movies and tv podcasts like the big picture

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Keep it last culture. He says the deep dive with june dainray feel injustice. St. Clair

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_03]: This had oscar buzz the daily

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_03]: um the new flesh horror movie podcast

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god ruined

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, which is a podcast. It's two female comedians where one who loves horror movies describes the plot of a horror movie to one

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Who hates them and I love that podcast the michelle collin show sup

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is sexy unique podcast, which is a veernda from rules podcast

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm serious. I have like five every day that I listen to

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you're like outlisting all the time you have to have quite the list

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So this is great. I love hearing all of them. I I would not even heard of any of them. So

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, now you have honey, so get to listening. Okay. So are you always listening to podcasts or do you listen to music too?

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like if I'm obsessed with a song I will like listen to it or an album, but it's mostly podcasts

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_01]: What song what most recent song were you obsessed with?

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh apple by charlie xcx is my current obsession. Um, I love the whole brad album

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, andy the last question is if people want to follow you find you

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_01]: What what you're up to where can they find you? How can they interact with you? It's just at my name?

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Andy here on everything

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, andy, thank you so much for being with me here today crossing the line over to the scary survivor pond sometime

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I love survivors. I'm happy to do it

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It was great to spend some time and hear more about your experience and uh, I just love

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm now I feel like I need to talk with somebody else from big brother as well to like

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm wondering if it's just that much

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_01]: less psychologically

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm a I I'm a weird case

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I think a lot of people like seri literally said

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_03]: That big brother was the much tougher show to do because of the psychological told like told that it took on her

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know, I didn't even I didn't even listen to that. I should have I should

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I asked her which show was harder and she said big brother

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we all all of us listeners need to take that into consider I might put that at the top of the call so people

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Because what the whole time I'm like is this is this easy serians or but like I went to um a reality

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_01]: event like pretty much right after Caitlyn's season was on and the people other people from

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Rachel and Caitlyn and

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Winston is that a thing?

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Like quite a few of them were at that show or at that event

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Shortly after their show had aired and they all looked very

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_01]: In it. Yeah, we say on this show. So it's amazing that you

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Made it through on I think winning helps

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Helps for paradise

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I've found that a little bit with the people I interview who've won it's just a smidge

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Easier to process the experience more easy to process for sure if you have a bunch of me at the end

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that might have changed it for me too

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I might not have to be here going through

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Therapy every week while I interview people to ask them what their traumas are

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It's refreshing to hear that it some people get get through unscathed. So

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you so much Andy. Thank you for having me with such pleasure

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much to Andy for coming over here

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Crossing that bridge over to the sometimes unfriendly to him survivor universe

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He dares to have opinions about the show and you know, some of y'all don't take kindly to that we should do better

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I loved hanging with Andy and I was so thankful that he was willing to come and spend time with all of us

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Go follow him on twitter and instagram. It is so fun to watch him and his hairless cat

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Andy jr. Thank you all for being with me today and stay tuned for the last three episodes of road to reality of season two

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Where we have some doozies and somebody who you know

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Quite well

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you think you do anyway

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Can't wait for those to drop have a good week and see you next time

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to thank Rob Cesternino and the entire rhap team for their support in making this podcast

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Jessica Sterling is the editor Tricky Rice created the artwork

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: To all of my fellow survivors

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for showing up or free to give me and all the listeners a look into your lives that we wouldn't otherwise get to see

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm much gratitude to all of you listening

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: If you'd like to connect and only if you're kind you can find me on social media at the kellen b

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Or at kellen beckdall.com

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Where I as a holistic career coach tried to give away as many free resources as I can

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: To help people find more happiness and success in their career journeys

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: May each of your realities lead down a road of peace joy and a whole lot of adventure

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And now here's jacob durwin with mira from manhattan

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Her name is mira from manhattan

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Her name is jelsie from jelsie

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Her name is krista from columbus

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter much to me

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Now she's staring out the window

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: She's turning on the night

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_00]: She takes a pen to her new novel

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And the airplane takes flight

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Mmm, I never knew

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Mmm, I never knew

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Mmm, I never knew

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Mmm, I never knew

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Or flying out to Dublin

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Just to stop along the trail

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Mira hops from there to paris

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I ride to belfast on the rail

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Now she's cheering in the winery

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm staring at the sea

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Her name is mira from manhattan

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter much to me

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Mmm, I never knew

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Mmm, I never knew

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Mmm, I never knew

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Mmm, I never knew

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I never knew

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_00]: You