Road to Reality | Leading with Love with Wendell Holland

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[00:01:06] Wendell Holland, Winner von Survivor Ghost Island, Sezend 36 und Kontestant auf Sezend 40, Winner im Krieg. Ich hatte einen tollen Zeit, mit Wendell zu fangen. Unsere Beziehung geht zurück zu dem same Wochenende, den Dom und ich im Episode II von Road To Reality sprechen,

[00:01:25] wo Wendell und ich zusammen auf dem Schuttelbus waren.

[00:03:02] Ich habe das mit dem Dom und ich habe es sehr lieb. Was war es für dich zu hören? Warst du da, wo ich hier war oder war du da? Das fühlst du wie ein Film, das ich nicht ein Teil war.

[00:03:19] Wir reden über ein Experiment, das du so nahe bist und du usw. War es neu? Nein, es war sehr bekannt. Du bist so gut, du bist so leicht zu hören. Dein Stimme und dein Stimme. Die zwei von dir können ein fantastisches Video sein.

[00:03:39] Es war cool, dass du das hörst. Ich wusste, dass ich ein bisschen davon wusste. Ich wusste, dass du dein Dynamik da bist, besonders in dem Sieg zurückzuhalten und mehr verstehen, dass du nicht so viel warst. Ich war sehr enttäuscht.

[00:03:58] Ich habe das in vielen Dingen gearbeitet. Man sieht die Freundschaft, sie bläst nachher und hört es aus. Ich dachte, es wäre cool, zu hören, was das Pokerclub ist. Ja, Out Bluff Pokerclub. Ich glaube, das ist cool. Es sind die Freundschaften,

[00:04:21] Wir waren alle auf der Überraschung. Ja, in deiner Lebenszeit haben es so viele, zumindest so viele, verschiedene Werte, die durch deine Leben gelangt. Eines der Freundschaften, die ich euch überrascht habe, war Ewan Brice. Und wie er sich von deiner besten Freundin, Geschäftspartner,

[00:04:44] und manchmal ist es auch schwer zu erinnern, dass es eine Überraschung, ein Gewicht in der Verkaufung, und das war es. Wir sind jetzt in einer Begründung, ich weiss nicht. Was ist verrückt, ist, ich habe Brice vorhin, bevor ich noch nie auf der Überraschung war,

[00:05:02] und ich wusste nicht, was Brice war. Es war, bevor er auf war, ein Familienlehrer meines Lebens, mit Menschenheil-Problems, und ich war zu sehen. Und dieser Mann hat mich in die Geburt gecheckt. Und ich habe mich dann selbst gesehen, ich habe meine Familie schon aufgenommen,

[00:05:22] und dann war ich wieder am Ende. Dann hat er mich mit Brice gecheckt. Dann hat er uns ein paar Jahre in unsere Freundschaften getroffen. Er hat gesagt, hey Wendel, ich habe dich vorher mit mir getroffen. Ich war der Mann, der dir in 20, 20 Jahren gecheckt hat.

[00:05:39] Ich habe keine Ahnung, was das Jahr war. Er ist so, ich werde nie eine Fahne vergessen. unsere Freundschaft kam in eine kurze Zeit. Aber es fing mit, als der Kast war erledigt, ich war, glaube ich, mit einer Watchparty zu machen für meine Freunde und Familie.

[00:05:57] Ich habe die Filly-Survivalen aus dem Wachparty gewohnt. Ich hatte Russell Swan kennengelernt, weil als ein survivor Fan erliebt er. Er ist eine Filly-Aterne. Als ich ein Law-Klirk in City Hall gesehen habe, ich würde ihn auf ihm und sagen, oh mein Gott, Russell!

[00:06:20] Ich werde ein survivor sein jeden Tag! Ich würde ihm Facebook-Messages senden und so weiter. Ich war ein Fan von damals. Ich wusste Russell, aber er war der einzige, der ich wusste. Und jetzt zu diesem Tag, Bryce, er bustete meine Balls, weil ich so viel Fan-Gerl

[00:06:40] über Russell war. Und in der Aktualität, wenn ich auf Bryce bin, habe ich mich ein paar Mal verabschiedet. Ich habe nicht das zu diesem Fall verabschiedet. Es hat für mich ein wenig Zeit gekauft, dass ich wirklich ein Freund bin, aber jetzt sind wir separat.

[00:06:58] Ich bin sicher, dass viele Leute das nicht wissen, und wenn es sich um Bryce ist. Aber ich sage es dir ein wenig, wie das ging und was das ist. Aber es ist ein ein, dass wir nicht darüber reden. Ich habe mich mit Bryce im Wachparty

[00:07:20] im Ghost Island im Wachparty im Kagan in der Wir haben etwas durchgeführt, um in South Africa zu kompetieren gegen die South African Survivors. In diesem Charité-Event, der Battle of the Bush, das war ein paar Mal, das nicht in Jahren passiert.

[00:07:54] Wir wollten eine Fundraise für unsere Reise aus dem Platz haben, weil jeder Spieler etwas $3.000 hat. Das geht direkt nach der Schule. Wir wollten eine Fundraise haben und wir haben ein Poker-Event durchgeführt.

[00:08:11] Ich weiß nicht was für ein Poker ist, aber Bryce, myself, and Jerv, haben ein Poker-Event. Es war ziemlich erfolgreich, wir haben ein paar Geld gemacht und ich glaube, wir haben etwas hier gelernt. Dann kommt die 40er-Jahrzeit, wir haben ein paar Watchparties für mich auf die 40er-Jahrzeit.

[00:08:29] Ich weiß nicht, wie lange war die Zeit zwischen 40 und 41? Ich glaube, es war eine Zeit, wenn ich nicht falsch bin. Ich glaube, das war im Jahr 2020, die Pandemie, und all diese Dinge, die die Überraschung auf die Höhle betrachten. Ja, vielleicht war es ein Jahrzehnt-Delay, oder?

[00:08:51] Ist das nicht was es war? Es war ein Jahrzehnt-Delay, und eine Menge Anzerte, natürlich. Wir wollten etwas für die 40er-Jahrzeit, also ich glaube, das war, wenn wir ein reales Names zu den Präsen haben.

[00:09:08] Wir haben etwas gemacht und wir haben eine große Party in New York, die sehr erfolgreich war. Wir haben ein paar Wochen, vielleicht sagen wir, in New York, vielleicht in zwei Wochen, wir versuchen D.C.

[00:09:22] In zwei Wochen, wir versuchen, und in dieser Saison waren wir einfach alles auf die Wange. Dann, ich glaube, wir hatten 42, wir hatten mehr als ein Plan, 43 und 44. Wir hatten 43 und 44, wir hatten realen Touristen, wir haben Daten im Beginn, wir waren sehr intensiv.

[00:09:41] Wir haben viele Erfolge, viele Fans, und es war sehr viel Spaß. Es ist etwas, was wir tun. In Louis, der Erfolger, nicht mehr live in den Regen, der Kast hat nichts wirklich Speciales, oder etwas, das für 40er-Jährige,

[00:10:02] die Leute, die in der L.A. fliehen, fühlen sich wie Celebrities und so, Wir haben eine tolle Erfindung gemacht. Wir haben für 44 und 43 gearbeitet. Und der ganze Kast kam für 44 bis zum Finale. Und für 43, alle sind separate 2-Players gekommen.

[00:10:22] Es ist toll, sehr toll und sehr Spaß. Wir haben noch die Equation und so weiter geredet. Es ist nicht so ein super Geldmachs, Es ist einfach superfun. Es ist ein großer Gifte für alle Fans. Ja. Als wir die Equations und so weiter figuren,

[00:10:43] wird es uns mehr Sinn machen. Aber jetzt ist es sehr Spaß und wir wollen es für 45 machen. Oh, ihr habt es hier gehört, oder vielleicht habt ihr schon irgendwo else geliebt. Aber jetzt hast du es wieder gehört. Ich habe es nicht gemacht.

[00:10:57] Ich muss es auf meine Liste bringen, um es zu machen. Vielleicht kommt ihr in Chicago. Das ist auf der 46. Liste. Es ist. Wir sehen uns im Moment, wenn ich hier bin. In den USA oder in Spanien. Ich werde es aber machen. Du hast Bryson Wynn präsentiert.

[00:11:17] Wie geht es mit Beav und Furniture? Was ist da los? Ja, wie du es gesagt hast, ich habe meine Nase getragen. Wie du es gesagt hast, ich habe meine Nase getragen. Es ist fast zwei Jahre, es hat mich sechs Monate getragen um meine Surgery zu bekommen.

[00:11:33] Meine Nase hat mich beizubeholt, viele Dinge für mich, über die letzten zwei Jahre. Und das war viele Mal. Die Herausforderung hat mich beizubeholt, die letzten drei oder vier, die USA oder die regularen Herausforderung. Es hat auch beizubeholt mich für eine HTV-Horizone. Ich habe meine Nase getragen,

[00:11:55] ich weiß nicht, ob es meine Attitude gegen die Gebäude verändert hat. Ich konnte nicht physisch bauen, aber ich habe nicht so viel gebildet. Ich habe noch ein paar Projekte gemacht, ich habe viele Installations- und Dinge gemacht. Aber ich habe nicht so viel gebildet,

[00:12:15] wie ich das mag. Es könnte auch sein, dass ich die Gebäude nicht mehr aufbauen kann. Es könnte auch sein, dass ich nicht mehr aufbauen kann. Ich habe auch viele Gebäude gemacht, aber ich habe auch ein bisschen mehr selektiv mit den Dingen,

[00:12:37] die ich gebildet habe. Jetzt arbeite ich auf diesem coolen Installation für ein Club in der Stadt. Das ist mein vierter Installation in den letzten sechs Monaten. Ich habe noch ein cooles DJ-Boot aufbauen können. Ich bin noch nicht so viel gebildet wie vorhin.

[00:12:57] Es ist so viel Spaß, zu denken, wo wir auf der Island waren. Was ich erinnere, war, dass du es startet hattest, aber es war nicht so viel. Du warst aus dem Installation, das ist so viel Spaß, zu sehen, wie es sich über die letzten sechs Jahre gelangt hat.

[00:13:17] Ich war so viel zufrieden, dass ich auf der Island war. Ich wusste, dass die Überraschung mehr Visibilität gibt. Mein Ziel war, die Visibilität zu bekommen. Ich wollte HGTV, das war der Netzwerk, aber wirklich, ein Netzwerk, das auf TV zu bauen. Das hat sehr, sehr, sehr fortgeschrieben.

[00:13:45] Ich war in den Häusern, Design und so. Das war wirklich cool. Es ist noch sehr cool. Ich nehme noch ihre Spiele. Ich habe viele Spiele, aber es muss mehr sein als die Spiele. Man muss sie durchgehen. Was ist das? Kannst du dir was sagen?

[00:14:07] Wir haben viel über das Video gesprochen. Es geht um die Realität, um die Realität zu bekommen. Aber wie ist es so differenziert? Ist es komparabel, um die Realität zu bekommen und die Quotationen zu bekommen für HGTV oder ich glaube, es ist nicht skriptisch, aber

[00:14:31] Home-Renovation-TV versus ein Realitäts-Kompetitions-Show. Ja, es ist simpel, dass du in einem Audition-Video die Personalität aufbaut. Sie poppen. Sie sind ein bisschen mehr expressiv als alle anderen. Insofern, ich habe viele Produktion-Kompeten mit denen ich bin. Ich habe einen soliden Agent, der mich in den Füßen

[00:15:03] der besten Menschen betrug. Aber viele times ich habe mich in einer Kamera geïnterviewen und sie ein Interview mit ihnen zu sprechen und sie ein paar Clips von mir zu bewerben und sie ein Video aufbaut. Sie haben ein Heldschatz oder ist das ein Routes-Actor? Ich habe Heldschz.

[00:15:35] Ich habe ein Heldschatz oder ein Video aufbaut. Ich habe ein Heldschatz oder ein Video aufbaut. Ich habe ein Heldschatz oder ein Video aufbaut. Das sind 7 Videos für Sie. Sie haben die Musik Aber jetzt ist es ein Thema der Packaging und Pitching-Wendel, weil ich jetzt schon verwendet habe.

[00:16:12] Ich habe es genug gemacht. Jetzt ist es ein Thema, was eine 30-Minute-Frage-Ansatzinterview sein könnte. Sie nehmen die richtige Soundbyte und dann die schöne Heldschuhe. Ja, ja! Oder mich mit meiner Schuss... Hinten eine Hammer! Das ist verrückt, ich habe eine Drill auf meinem Dach hier.

[00:16:33] Ich weiß nicht, warum, aber... Das ist was, was sie tun. Ich habe das in den letzten Monaten gemacht. Ich habe es für die vier, glaube ich. Und eine davon ist, dass ich die Möglichkeit hatte, die Final Casting für dieses Show zu bringen.

[00:16:56] Und die Final Casting war während der Warnung von Warnung. Ich habe mich gefragt, ob ich das tun würde, dass ich immer noch versuchen werde. Oder ob ich mich für das, was mich auf die Plattform betrifft, loyal ist. Ich bin ein Loyalty-Mann,

[00:17:15] ich muss zurück nach der Überraschung gehen, denn der Überraschung war mir zu Hause. Und dann ging ich zurück zur zweiten Zeit. Ich lieb nicht das, was ich habe in der zweiten Zeit. Aber es ist auch cool, dass es wieder zurück geht,

[00:17:27] Weil das same Show hat Produzenten mich verstanden. Und glaubt es nicht, Jacob Derwin ist in Casting und er hat meinen Namen aufgenommen. Ja, Jacob! Ja, Jacob. Und so, hoffentlich, hoffentlich geht das durch. Ich hatte ihn viel mehr verstanden, wie gestern.

[00:17:49] In diesem Welt, ich werde 10 Videos vergeben und ein Video verstanden. Oder ich werde 100 Videos vergeben und ein Video verstanden. Ich bin nicht sicher, ob ich noch was verhebt. Wenn du nicht aufgehst, dann hörst du nichts. Das passiert viel in der HGTV-Welt.

[00:18:13] So, wir gehen zurück zu diesem Moment, wo du diese neue HGTV-Pitze in der Mitte hast. Du bist in Casting und Winter bei der Warnung. Wie ist es, wie nahe du zu gehen oder wie lange warst du bei der Warnung bei der Warnung,

[00:18:27] wenn du die Warnung von HGTV getragen hast? Sag mir mal, was war das Zeitpunkt für diese Entscheidung? Ich war alle Winter bei der Warnung. Und ich war schon für Winter bei der Warnung. Ich wusste, dass ich in der Show war.

[00:18:41] Ich habe durch die HGTV die Prozesse verhebt. Ich glaube, die Interview-Skype-Interviews. Und dann war es so, wir bringen viele Leute in die L.A. zu machen. Ich glaube, sie haben vier Husten gebraucht. Ich möchte sagen, wenn es Winter bei der Warnung ist,

[00:19:04] dann sind wir am Anfang dieser Woche fliehen. Ich glaube, es war eine Woche, nachdem ich für Winter bei der Warnung war, dass ich in der L.A. für die Final Casting war. Okay, du fragst, ob ich noch auf die L.A. gehe?

[00:19:21] Du hast also eine Reise für die Erwärmung, um die Erwärmung zu schießen. Was sind andere Faktoren, was du durch das ganze Zeit gehst? Das ist ein Teil des Faktoren. Das ist 2019. Das ist 2019. Ich habe nur ein Jahr lang eine $1 Million Gute.

[00:19:46] Ich habe noch einiges. Ich habe noch einiges. Ich habe noch einiges. Ich habe noch einiges. Und so, like I didn't splurge on anything with my million. So it's great to you want to go back out there. And especially a very recent winner.

[00:20:10] You're like, man, I just did it. I'll just go do the same thing I just did. You know, so you think, yeah, you could go out there and win a million dollars. But in my in my eyes, I look at HGTV like

[00:20:23] I've wanted survivor for a very long time longer than HGTV. But man, like HGTV was a survivor, kind of like one of those survivor aspirations to me. So I'm like, this is that opportunity finally, this huge opportunity for me to be a real host.

[00:20:40] And granted, they're not going to pay me a million dollars to do that. But they pay very well and more than the 10,000 and more than the last place, right? I assume, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those survivor guarantees are, you know, it's not bad for returnies.

[00:20:58] OK, so like a little better. OK, all right. But but still like, I guess the pay would have been comparable. So what I got paid for Winners at War, it would have been very comparable. So money is not on the table right now. We're working with loyalty.

[00:21:11] How about like, what's your competitive spirit? Like, what's your competition? At that point. Yes, because you have this competition of like wanting to be on HGTV. But then the competition of like, I want to go back out with these winners and see I can do it.

[00:21:26] What's your competitive self telling you? If you would have asked me at that point. It's different. It's different than now. If you're like how competitive, you know, but at that point, I would have wanted to go out and compete on anything like.

[00:21:39] Helen, I was like, I was ready to do every like, yeah. So. Survivor again, would have been a lot more fun because I'm naturally just a competitor and like I turn a switch when I'm in competition.

[00:21:56] So yes, competitively, I would have wanted to go out there and compete. OK, so Competition, Loyalty. What else is I'm trying to think about? What else is like in the soup in 2019 for this huge decision? Well, I had been told by Jeff Probst

[00:22:11] that he fought for me to get on Ghost Island because Jeff said to me that he fought for me to be on that first season and things went very well for me that first season by the skin of whatever

[00:22:23] the term is by the skin of what is it? I think it's skin of your teeth, but I'm not sure why. I was gonna say that. So by the skin of my teeth, I won. And because of your his Winner pick as well, right?

[00:22:36] His Winner pick. Well, Guy Winner pick. I was his Gau Winner pick. Very one of us made that come true. Can only be one. It can only be one. So. I guess because of that and like I'm a big Jeff Probst fan.

[00:22:51] I do think he's a good person. That's why I went back out for 40. OK, I love. Thank you for taking me through all of that. It just paints a picture of who you are then. And then you're saying, but now I'm different. What do you mean by that?

[00:23:07] OK, I think I'm 39 years old. Got a few little grays in the beard. Couple are sprouting up in the froh. And I have my son, Wenni and my girlfriend, Chelsea. And I think my second ACL injury. That like that was a two year process for me

[00:23:30] as far as like because I push surgery back so long. And I think there's something in because like I've always been so competitive, Kellen. Like I'm not like one of these crazy people in competition, but I think I'm a great person to work within competition.

[00:23:47] And you are like a star high school athlete, right? Like you you've been doing this your whole life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, competition. All the sports basketball, football, track, Captain, a bunch of teams have school records. Was recruited to play in college, certain colleges,

[00:24:02] but I didn't go to play sports in college. And so I've always, but I played like Freckleys and everything forever. And so I've always been super competitive. And then I guess within the last few years, life has really humbled me as far as competition wise,

[00:24:18] as far as my knee. And I think mentally what it did was it told me like, hey, do you still have it? Like are you still there? So that was an. And again, I mentioned it briefly. I've gotten like three or four consecutive calls

[00:24:34] to go on the show, the challenge over these last two years. And every time I'm like, man, I'm saying no again. I'm sorry. Like I just like I tore my ACL. I'm sorry. Oh, I have surgery next month. I'm sorry. Oh, I got surgery six months ago.

[00:24:47] I need a few more months to recover. And then finally in April and again, like this long amount of time of me not competing. I'm like, do I still have it? So in, I guess, January, February, March, February and March or

[00:25:05] well, I started getting calls for, I think challenge USA Season 2. At some point. And I'm telling them like, I mean, the knees healing up. All depends on the timeline. But hey, we're pregnant. So it cannot be over the due date.

[00:25:24] And it's a lot for me to even come during the third trimester. Like it's killing me to actually come and be away from Chelsea. And on one of these silly shows during her third trimester, we've never done this pregnancy thing before. So like.

[00:25:39] The timeline has to be matching up properly. And they gave me like a certain date. It was early, I think it was like early March through like the end of April. And our due date is the end of May. Yeah. So I'm like, all right, that'll work.

[00:25:54] So I'm telling them yes. And then they pushed it back one time to like mid-March through like early May. And I'm like, guys, you're knocking on the door now. And I'm still trying to negotiate with them. And then they pushed it back a third time.

[00:26:10] That would be over the due date. Around the same time, this show called. I don't know what the hell it's called at that point. This show that is now called The Goat called me. And they said, hey, we're doing this new competition show during the month of April.

[00:26:24] That's the only commitment if you want to do it. So then I, you know, I'm like, OK, I could go on the challenge USA. Which would go over our due date. Or I could do this guarantee thing in April. And it was a no brainer for me.

[00:26:37] I just so I did that show, which was I guess when we when we got to where we filmed, we learned it was called The Goat and this match up mashup of reality starts from every show imaginable. I mean like. RuPaul's Drag Race, Real Housewives,

[00:26:58] Food Network, The Bachelor, The Chow. And like how can you make this group of people compete for compete at anything? There's there's so, you know, there's so from all over the place. And I'm the guy that won survivor.

[00:27:12] So it was so you were and you weren't too worried about about your competition there at first. I'm like, she's a real house. Like what am I doing competing again? So, you know, it was it was it was hilarious. It's a very fun time.

[00:27:32] And it was just confusing to like look at this, this mashup of people and be like, all right, I'm used to like swimming with the sharks and survivor. I was playing Winners at War, like these people out for blood.

[00:27:46] And now this guy has a fendi suit from head to toe, like a sweat suit and some Gucci. Like, I'm like, what is going on? But oh, well, it's going to be really fun to see you in that different environment.

[00:28:00] I think it was our first taste of that as survivor, or at least my my my group, who hasn't been watching the challenge for a long time, seeing Dom on the challenge and like watching the survivors on that mix with amazing race people and other show people.

[00:28:17] It was really fun to see that dynamic. So it's going to be fun to see this in an entirely new scale and Suri on traders. And it's so fun to see us survivors. I mean, we do think we're kind of, you know, tougher than

[00:28:32] tougher than some at least better than most. You know, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. It'll be fun to see how it rolls. Here's the only thing like when I watched when I watch my boy Dom on the challenge USA, I'm like, you're seeing these worlds collide.

[00:28:49] You saw like Michelle, you saw the big brother people go over to the regular challenge and you saw Jay and Mikaela and how they did over there. And but to see like a real one of just like. I think at that point, they didn't have any MTV people.

[00:29:05] It was just like all the CBS people and to see the survivors do really well. I think it's a testament like. When you find survivor, it's one. It's such an intense show and like the skill set,

[00:29:20] I guess, or whatever you want to call what we take from it or what it requires for us to do well on it. When we study up the game and we understand how to react to certain cues

[00:29:30] or like, you know, when when one of your buddies gets blindsided and you guys are back at camp, you can't be pissed at everyone. Like, you know how to you know what you're supposed to do. Now, whether you do it or not, you know, you could still be.

[00:29:44] You know, whether you do it or not is a different thing. But when we're on these other shows and say a friend gets blindsided or say like people are acting a certain way, it's almost like you take this skill set of survivor

[00:29:55] and you know already how to apply it. And it's cool watching that in the Challenge World. I think it'll be cool watching that in the Goat World. And remind me where when does that come out and where do people watch?

[00:30:08] It's going to be on a network called Amazon Free V. OK, that is on. I think it's like loaded on all TVs or something like that on all these smart TVs. And I believe it's coming out in the winter,

[00:30:22] maybe like December, January. OK, there's not a launch date yet. No, there's not a launch date, a launch date. Launch date. Within a week of us getting back, like the press releases were out. And I'm like, I'm used to survivor world where you go home

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[00:31:28] Shopify.de Stichstrich TRI besuchen. Einfach Shopify.de Stichstrich TRI eingeben und loslegen. Made for Germany, powered by Shopify. Was your wait for Winters at war, as long as ours was? I think it was. I think it was. Another long haul, like six, seven months or something.

[00:31:54] Because we found in the spring of 2019. And you weren't until January. 2020. Yeah. Yeah, it's a long wait. It's a long wait. Was was the waiting period, the second time easier or worse? It was easier because I've done it before. Really?

[00:32:17] And I did it with a much bigger secret before. OK, I thought maybe it would. It would. I thought maybe it would be worse because the first time how fun of like I won. And that's my secret versus the second time knowing that you didn't win

[00:32:34] and how far you made it. I thought maybe it would be harder because of that. But no, he pretty definitively said it was easier the second time. That's correct. And also when I got back the second time, I did spill the beans to one or two people.

[00:32:50] I called I talked to Dom like the day I got back and I'm like, dude, are you a fan or are you my bro? Like as a fan, I don't want to tell you anything. So you got to sit and watch.

[00:33:00] Or if you're my bro, I need to decompress with you right now. Yeah, I'm your bro. So and I don't know how much you talked about. You and I talked about it kind of in the midst of the whole thing.

[00:33:14] How much have you shared with us or our community about. The difference in what it's like to be the hero versus the villain and portrayed that way? Yeah, it's oh my gosh, it's it's tough. It's so tough, like.

[00:33:31] The the hero is great, you know, and for that to be my first taste of reality television, that was great. And they put me on some kind of a high. But I think in getting my villain, whatever you want to call my portrayal on season 40

[00:33:48] and getting that portrayal and how the fans reacted to me. That especially in in spring of 2020, the worst time for this to happen, that it really brought me back down to earth. And I think that it allowed me to recognize the privilege of winning

[00:34:07] and what is what was known as a Winner's Edit. It made me kind of understand my goodness. It's at that point only 36 or 35 people got a Winner's Edit. You know, and however many hundred people were open to getting this other kind of edit, right?

[00:34:26] And so I think I think now in retrospect, it was good for me to see both sides. But like it was so difficult for me during 2020. So difficult. I wanted to like leave survivor, never look back. I told you that I had this huge opportunity with HGTV

[00:34:47] and the people I had survivor knew that. So now in my head, I'm like, why? Why are they doing this to me? Are they are they killing me on this edit so that I'm forced to come back again?

[00:35:00] Like I was trying to figure out what was going on. And then like the commentary on my social media from the fans. It just it brought me to a really bad place, where again, I wanted to like walk away and never look back at survivor ever again.

[00:35:17] And then so it's crazy. So like this is the spring of 2020 right around the George Floyd thing and the Black Lives Matter Movement and all that stuff. Und. Understanding the magnitude, the magnitude of that moment and that things can change during this time,

[00:35:37] because there are a lot of because the world is at a standstill because of the pandemic and a lot of eyes are on what's going on with Black culture in America right now. I guess a group of survivors took that time

[00:35:51] or harnessed that moment to kind of really talk to CBS and try to make change. And so I was like one of the people really fighting for that, which ultimately ended up in this huge diversity initiative, which I think was so great for CBS.

[00:36:07] But I think my bad edit on Season 40 or how I received it to be a bad edit, you know, it just put me in just such a bad place. And I think I tried to make lemons into lemonade

[00:36:21] in like saying, you know what, this is something that I love and I'm not the only person to get a bad edit on this show. I'm not the only Black man to get what I feel is a bad edit on the show.

[00:36:31] So yeah, I could tuck my tail and run or I could just try to make it a little better for people that come after me. And I think that, you know, Season 41, you start hearing more stories and seeing more dynamic sides of like Black men on the show

[00:36:49] and also minorities on the show. There's a lot more minority representation and I think they've gotten even better and better and better at telling these stories of minorities and of queer people and of just different people that don't traditionally go on the show and do so well.

[00:37:05] Season 44, we saw Jam Jam one. We saw Carolyn out there killing it, two people that would have been, could have very well been early boots a decade ago or like made looking made to look silly in edits. Some time ago. So I think I think Survivor

[00:37:24] has trended in the right direction and. I am glad that I'm still like in the community and I love the community because it is a great community despite some some silly folks in it. Yeah, it does feel like there's been a change in.

[00:37:41] That certainly I shouldn't skip saying, certainly a change in watching on television and whose stories are getting told and how much. Truly, that has had a major impact on CBS and the survivor viewing experience. But also I feel like I've noticed a change

[00:38:01] in how that has transformed the groups of people who have played survivor. I've talked to a few people. I'm not super close with recent cast members, but I have talked with a few people and it just seems like their experience is different

[00:38:18] because they're allowed to be multiple things and not just trying to fit into this like survivor archetype world. So I think it's not only changed it for the viewership, but changed it for the people who have gotten to play, which is an incredible thing that you've done

[00:38:32] with your lemons to lemonade and a bunch of people. Yeah, it was there were there was like a wonderful group of us that put a lot of work into it. Yeah, I think it's changed obviously the composition of the people out there.

[00:38:48] But when you get people watching now, it doesn't turn this huge or these huge demographics off to the show anymore. It's like, wow, look at this beautiful rainbow of people out here on the show. Maybe I should watch this or like maybe I can do this.

[00:39:04] So now it just I think it just opens up the door like jam jam. He's a Puerto Rican gay man like. Anyone in Puerto Rico now is in Heidi. She's Puerto Rican. She lives in Pittsburgh. She did great on the show, you know, like now.

[00:39:22] All of Puerto Rico can rally behind something and now apply and apply and apply. And we can see like great people come from there or like, you know, like we had like Erica, Erica one. She's of Filipino descent a Canadian. We had Nasir on there.

[00:39:42] We've had Nneka on there, like these just different people. Carla, Jesse, like it's been. I think it's been pretty incredible. And again, I think it takes a while for a lot of the fandom to kind of understand and accept that like.

[00:40:01] It's a it makes it better when it's a more diverse part. And it also takes a little time for the storytellers to properly learn how to tell these stories. But I think those are some growing pains. But like I think we're again trending in the right direction.

[00:40:17] But also there's some work to do, because like, you know, a lot of people say that there's no villains or anything like that. And I agree, like there should be some things to spice it up a little bit still.

[00:40:27] It's interesting to watch CBS kind of go through the process of how they're deciding to handle people. What one thing I want to say that I find to be really cool is that it seems like there was always this push.

[00:40:43] Jeff and the producers, oh, we want you to do that. Oh, we want young people to watch. We want young people to watch. To do that. And like it seemed like their idea of getting young people to watch was like have a Malcolm or Joey amazing.

[00:41:00] And then all young kids are going to want to play survivor because of of those guys, which no shade on at least half of that crew. But it's like this idea that that group is what young people want to be when they grow up. And it's so exclusive.

[00:41:19] And so what I adore seeing is how many little kids and younger people in college kids are. I just met at my yoga retreat this week, a young girl who was like, oh my gosh, I just found survivor. I'm binging it the newer season.

[00:41:34] Just this idea that it's attracting so many different people to want to watch the show. And it's not just a one note like white bro, who wants, who brings people to survivor to be Frank.

[00:41:45] So I know that you all put in a ton of work and that is. Labor and a ton of work for that everyone is benefiting from. If I may add one thing like what was what was really scary was like

[00:42:03] there was there was no blueprint for going to CBS and shaking the table. And it's scared like a lot of survivors. And I'm still like heavy in the community, of course, with our events. Sometimes you see survivors are still out there playing survivor.

[00:42:18] They're meeting people and being fake and phony only with the hopes of like if they see them, they can have some kind of alliance on the island one day. Like you get a lot of that and you get a lot of people

[00:42:30] waiting for this call to come back out on the show. And like that's all they want to do. So some people are scared to shake the table or to speak. I don't even want to say it's speaking out. I think it's speaking up.

[00:42:42] What we wanted to do was we didn't want us like point a finger and call CBS out. We wanted to call them in and say, hey, look, this is our shared experience. We love this thing so much that we want to just let you know

[00:42:57] how we think it can be better. And so there were people that didn't jump on that call with us because they were scared of being blacklisted and never called again or never called for any show again. And instead of, I guess, receiving it that way, Jeff

[00:43:13] and the other execs truly received it and thought about it and pondered. And they came with these sweeping changes, not just survivor also amazing race also big brother. And then we had Xavier and Taylor went back to back. So like.

[00:43:33] To speak up with a fear of maybe being blackboard or blacklisted. It's something and you just got to you just got to know, you're trying to make it better for the people that come after you. And on behalf of the people that came before you,

[00:43:46] that might, you know, they might have had a bad experience 15 years ago and have never looked back and never done anything for survivor because they hate it, which was the direction I was going in. But I was like, you know what?

[00:44:00] Na, I did love it and I'm going to just try to change it or we're going to just try to change it. So. And thankful that you thankful that you did for everyone is benefiting from all of that work. Thank you, Kallen.

[00:44:13] I appreciate you so much like and your Allyship and like the times like even during 2020, when you just reached out to me, send me a message. Hey, how are you doing? Hey, can can you help me understand this more or that more from my perspective?

[00:44:27] In my perspective, I am an ally mean so much to people. And there was a time when when Dom posted a video during 2020 and anyone that knows a little bit more about Dom or his family or where he's from,

[00:44:41] it takes a lot for for that person to speak out like that. And that like almost brought me to tears back then to see him speak out. But understanding like just when like my wife, if I see something going on in Black America,

[00:44:56] like these things cripple people like me, like watching police brutality or something like that. It kills me to watch because I see myself in those people. And for someone like you to hit me up like hey, when how you doing or hey, help me understand this.

[00:45:11] It's not it's not you saying like. It's you opening the door so you can learn a little bit more because you're not walking in my shoes. So I really like I appreciate you doing that and just other folks, even like Mike Holloway. He calls me all the time.

[00:45:30] And when it comes to like issues or things that we watch on, even on Survivor, even like Season 41, like social justice things, he would call me because he would have no idea. He voted totally different than I did. And you know his worldview is totally different.

[00:45:46] He's this Texan Republican and I'm a Black dude from Philly, Democrat. But at the very least he'll pick up their phone and we'll try to find that common ground. So I have so much, I guess to put it, I could speak forever. I talk too much.

[00:46:03] No you don't. That's what we're here for. To put a button on this. I just say like I'm from the school of thought where more conversations are better. And even like, even the people that you're like, you think that through your bubbles,

[00:46:20] you really don't agree with or whatever. I think that when you start talking to people, you really understand how much, how similar you really are to people. Yeah and I remember you helping me through, even though it's not, I mean we have to be careful

[00:46:35] as like white folks to not put too much labor on other people but endure our own learning. But I remember at the time I was nervous to say the wrong thing. And not the wrong thing that other white people would be mad at me

[00:46:55] but to represent somebody who has less opportunity or is seen different in the world that doesn't have the privilege that I have as a white woman to say things in the right way. But what you helped me with and what is so important is say something

[00:47:11] that if you accidentally put the wrong color on it in a wrong way or you know, it's sour and supposed to be sweet and you did it accidentally, it's more important to say something and then own your mistakes if you make one.

[00:47:30] So that's what I think I remember us talking about in that moment. I agree wholeheartedly. I just agree so much. And people will find something to hate on regardless. Yes, yes. I saw a post about someone parking in a handicapped spot

[00:47:49] and the handicapped woman went up to that person and like yelled at him and she went crazy on this person. And my post was like hey, if this person is in a handicapped spot, you shouldn't do that. We need to do a better job of protecting the people

[00:48:13] that need it most in our country. Something like that. And I got 125 likes on that comment and like 1000 people yelling at me because of the handicapped lady was yelling at him the wrong way, which she was, she was out of pocket.

[00:48:32] She was yelling at him, she went, she OD'd on him. But my goodness, like homeboy parked in a handicapped spot first. So like yeah, you can do anything and people will receive it the wrong way. My baseline is you lead with love

[00:48:49] but don't be scared to open your mouth and either say something or ask a tough question from a perspective of you wanting to learn about something or help something. In this world, anything you say, people are going to be mad at you for saying it.

[00:49:07] I can say, I love everybody in the world and they'll be like how can you, so. Yeah, yeah. It feels like it's a tightrope to walk but really you got to walk it and you've got to stand up for people who,

[00:49:23] especially just thinking about the people you know and love. And remembering that it's on a one-on-one basis and these quote unquote issues are not about fake groups of people that you have been taught to be scared of. Yeah. Issues are about your neighbor, your friend, your future childs,

[00:49:55] somebody you see at the grocery store remembering that it's about human, individual human beings and that can help me pull towards what I want to stand up for in the world. So yeah, it does get political, it is political but it's about human beings

[00:50:16] and remembering leading with love and it's about individual human beings I think is a place where I try to start from. I like that, I like that a lot. As Wendell says, there will always be someone who has something to say

[00:50:31] about what you're putting out in the world but leading with love and humanity first is always a great place to start. We make a transition here where we start talking about Wendell's dad and his family and we start with the loved ones visit from our season.

[00:50:47] I want to give a little bit of a background of what it's actually like when you're out there on the island or when we were for 34, 32 days, for 32 days waiting for our loved ones to come out. One of the things you do while killing time

[00:51:02] is you describe your loved one in all of the detail. What does their hair look like? How tall are they? What is their voice? What are they into? So we have all created these pictures of each other's loved ones leading up to that big day.

[00:51:19] The best way I can describe it is it's like reading a book that you really, really loved and then the book becomes a movie and when it becomes a movie in front of your eyes and the character looks exactly like you had pictured them

[00:51:34] just because of the description of the words. That's what it was like when loved ones came out during the loved ones visit. It's such an important moment for everyone who got to do that and I am devastated for people who play today

[00:51:50] who don't get to have that moment. Certainly one of the best days for me looking back on the whole experience. So one of the most memorable parts of playing Survivor for me with you was when your dad came out and we got to see Wendell Sr.

[00:52:10] I actually think in the loved ones visit I'm in the background and I'm like, Wendell Sr. Oh, yeah! You were, I remember that voice. My God, it's kind of annoyingly like that. People who said I was annoying on the show but I remember just like, oh my God,

[00:52:27] like you are, that is your dad and you are his son and like in this world to see father son bonding and just in that moment it was like absolute aura of love and even you have even the same name.

[00:52:45] So just tell me a little bit about your dad and what your life has been like being Wendell Sr. son. Yeah, so my dad, he is like, he didn't come from like lots of means. He grew up like pretty poor and he just worked very hard

[00:53:06] and his family, his dad worked so hard to make sure that him and his brother and sister went to college and yeah, my dad just, my dad wanted to work very hard to make it a little bit better for his family and so what can I say?

[00:53:29] And my dad is a, he was an athlete. He played basketball at Fordham and then he went to Rutgers Law and he worked, he was an attorney, he was in the government. He's done a lot of things and he's raised myself and my two sisters.

[00:53:47] We were raised in a great community and he kept Education first for us and Sports second, well family and then like education and sports and I remember one time when I was in fifth grade soccer was my sport back then, I love soccer and I think my grades,

[00:54:11] I think I brought home like a C in a class. Yeah, and he took, and I was on like a travel team, like a private team and he took me right out of soccer and he was like, you're not playing soccer until you get your grades back up

[00:54:25] and that taught me and I didn't know what ineligibility was in fifth grade but I learned it then, this is exactly what it is and so he was a father that like he stressed the importance of education but also like he was the guy through high school

[00:54:45] he would take me to like Rosemont College Gym to put up 500 shots to make sure that like I was on my A-game shooting right and you know he would train me and so he was a great father and because he worked so hard

[00:55:00] he had to travel a lot like throughout the 90s he had to go to like, he had to go to the continent of Africa numerous countries a lot, you know he was doing like negotiating utility deals and stuff and I just remember despite how much he traveled

[00:55:17] I remember like he was at as many sports events and everything like for my sisters they played tennis and then basketball I played like soccer then basketball and football and track and he would come to everything and so when senior he was like he's like my hero

[00:55:36] but also he's like, you know he's a black father I love him so much and I tell a lot of people I love him not for all the things he gave me because he helped me, he helped provide me with a tremendous life

[00:55:50] but also like the amount of times he said no to me or like the amount of times he corrected me like yo this is the right path or anything like that I learned so much from him everything to me or him allowing me to like

[00:56:04] get a job when I was 13 years old like I've worked since 13 or maybe even before that and even before 13 like I was cutting his grass for 10 bucks you know so when senior is a great father to me my mother her name's Anita, I call her Neitz she's wonderful

[00:56:24] my parents are just like they did a really good job I'm so thankful for them I think parents don't have the easiest jobs in the world because you don't know how your kids are going to turn out or what they're going to love

[00:56:38] or what they're going to want to do and what is your has your view of your parents I know because I've known you for years now that you've always really loved and respected your parents has your view of your parents changed in the last couple months

[00:56:57] you are a father wow now and a lot of people said this before it was going to happen like you're going to know what unconditional love is because when he is when he can't do anything for himself right now you know like he's just like a little blob

[00:57:19] right now he's fed and that he sleeps he changes diapers and I look at this boy and I have absolute unconditional love for him I can't stop holding him and kissing him and taking photos and videos of him and

[00:57:41] I know I need to stop putting him on the internet but I just love him so much and then I start thinking when did I talk back to my parents when was I mean to my dad when was I hard on them

[00:57:55] like if they did all of this for me I shouldn't have ever talked back to them or anything because like literally they are the reason why I'm here and they're the reason why you know they've done everything for me Chelsea and I more so Chelsea of course

[00:58:15] we're doing everything for Wenny and so yeah my perspective and now everything is about making sure he's alright making sure Chelsea's alright and thinking about you know what do we want to do daycare how do we want to like the things that will come

[00:58:35] in the next six months yeah it's it's different I'm a dad I know it's just so first of all he is so cute and we all know and survivor I don't lie about babies are cute he is so adorable how many weeks is he as of today

[00:58:59] he turned seven weeks on Friday so he'll be eight weeks in a couple days he's just such an itty bitty thing but yet growing I know I'm sure it's a god becoming a parent and knowing what to do about social media with your child

[00:59:13] like we'd have to do a whole another podcast on just that and that's it I'm so glad you posted some because I've loved watching him already grow and just to see see you to see your unconditional love for him and may I go so far as to say

[00:59:37] even just from social watching you soften around the edges in a new way yeah I'm like oh yeah am I too soft now there has to be a point where I teach him how to be a man and like hey but right now I just like

[01:00:01] oh I just hug him and I cuddle with him yeah it's so life changing and I just want the best for him and I just want him to do whatever he loves and yeah I'm just I'm very excited to learn what fatherhood is about and I think that

[01:00:23] I was very blessed to have both my parents in my life and so I'm just going to try to pour in as much as they poured into me into him that's so sweet and I have no room to say this I'm not a parent

[01:00:37] and I'm not a dad I'm gonna say it anyway I just heard you say I'm so soft and I think at some point insinuating I need to change and teach him how to be a man insinuating that you need to change

[01:00:53] from the softness to teach him how to be a man and what I would like to plant the seed uh huh is that loving that about yourself accepting that softness about yourself and showing that to your son is being a man I love it I receive that Kellen

[01:01:14] you're absolutely right and I appreciate you for that yeah yes thank you very much yeah I will check myself yes I appreciate that I hope it didn't come across as me checking you no no no no I just mean it in this way that I think society

[01:01:36] puts so in this world to prioritize friendship vulnerability emotions all these things and so I think catching these times when men fathers are have been taught that to be a man means I don't know the opposite of softness um I just wanted to pull that out I guess

[01:02:06] thank you and I agree wholeheartedly I think the only thing is like when it comes to I think I've seen some like where I grew up I had some very wealthy friends they were spoiled I was never spoiled I don't think I was spoiled but I've seen how

[01:02:32] and I have mentors and I've seen how only saying yes to your kids puts them in a particular direction maybe maybe when I say I need to harden up a little bit it's just in understanding that there is a time and a place to say no

[01:02:50] to certain things you're just looking ahead and saying like I don't know if I'm ever going to be able to tell this little face no that's the thing and if he was a girl if I had a daughter I would never be able to say no

[01:03:06] so I just want to I want to be able to raise him to where I can like where he can learn the value of hard work and you know I see you gotta be a tough little kid boys I see you're talking softness about you being the softie

[01:03:28] and figuring out that and you're gonna have to make decisions like your dad did about pulling you out of soccer because of that sea and seeing yourself right now to then it may seem hard to figure out but it'll change and I assume

[01:03:46] it'll get easier than it seems like right now yeah well it's yeah it's a lot right now I'm sure I'm not sure but I assume I think so cute okay I just want to go through one quick thing about our season if you'll humor me on this sure

[01:04:08] and then we'll go to rapid round questions so I well first of all destiny I was never gonna win our season but when I really a thousand percent realized the nail was in my coffin was what I would have considered one of the best moves that you made

[01:04:24] in the game and it was a bit complicated that it didn't show the whole thing on TV so I want for all the survivor super fans out there I would like to dig into your perspective on the Michael split tribal oh okay my memory

[01:04:44] is as bad as it gets let me tell you but let's go back yeah let's rehash this and if you're like no I don't want to fucking talk about it okay so I remember it vividly because it was like literally on TV as I as we're

[01:05:02] re-voting I have tears start to come to my eyes because I'm like it's officially over for me so it was I'm sure I was behind way before that but that's when I realized it but what had happened back at camp was

[01:05:16] first and foremost you got me to tell you about my advantage so I had an extra vote yes I had told no one I had I had lied to everybody did I get you to tell you to tell me the advantage or did you

[01:05:30] share this information with me well I hadn't told anyone else so all right I mean I don't know who's fault it is it's my fault but it's not like it's not like you are trying to you I'm trying to give you a compliment here Wendall

[01:05:48] I'm trying to give you more okay so you had the extra vote I have the extra vote at this point I kept it secret for a long time because I hadn't told anybody I lied that I didn't play the game

[01:06:00] both times but I had and I had this extra vote and I start to like really get confused about what's going on I don't know if I was confused I was confused I didn't think I was because Michael was telling me that he found an idol

[01:06:18] he did find an idol with Donathan but Donathan is the one who had it yes so I'm like peeling through Michael what idol was it where was it how did you untie it what's the color of the writing how long is this and he's just telling

[01:06:34] me the whole thing which is true you know it was true everything I asked him was absolutely true it just wasn't his so this is me defending myself that's why I fell for Michael so and you get me close enough to you where I go in

[01:06:54] and say I have this extra vote which I don't even know what made me think to tell you that but okay the only thing I'll add here is we were like we were playing the game together for a long time as far as like hey

[01:07:12] we might not have the same end game but we have similar interests in playing this game in a thousand percent yeah we're working together in my opinion we're working together in this moment yes yeah so and was this this was the split tribal yes so it's you Dom

[01:07:32] Laurel me and Michael oh wow yeah oh he just gets a big old grin on his face cause now he remembers what he has done no I remember you you came up to me and you said that you have an extra vote and you said you were voting

[01:07:48] for you're putting one on Laurel right yes yeah and I told Laurel when did I tell Laurel to vote for you at tribal at tribal yeah so yeah yeah I let her know at tribal to vote for you you were Dom Dom is wearing the necklace okay

[01:08:17] a thousand percent Dom is wearing the necklace Dom has immunity you I know that you and Dom have an idol at this point so we both had idols you both had idols I didn't know that I knew you had one between the two of you

[01:08:35] I knew the two of you were together for sure no matter what was not a secret and then Michael has told me the story about how he found the idol oh so possible idol I'm writing this down and for me my only bet here

[01:08:57] since I do believe Michael at the time is it's me or Laurel hmm so I go up to the voting booth I see it all falling apart in the middle of tribal because you had said to me well do you really need to do that you probably don't

[01:09:15] I think if I remember correctly you just said we are voting for Michael you should vote with us and I was like I no I'm not getting idol out here because I bet Laurel and Michael are still kind of talking

[01:09:27] and they're coming after me Laurel and Michael are going to come after me so I insurance plan place my two votes on Laurel so I'm not sure if I remember I don't know I remember telling her Kellyn's coming for you vote for Kellyn I remember that

[01:09:53] distinctly remember that so Michael voted for Michael voted for me I remember Michael voted for you when I held up I wish we could get the footage when I held up the two votes for Laurel I said my stupid gut my gut is telling me

[01:10:20] I should put two votes on Wendell right now and I don't I can't do it and I can't do it so that is the big risk that I took because I knew Michael was voting for you so in that moment I had the choice to go

[01:10:42] is Wendell going to play an Idol which I thought between you and Dom you might use it or going for Laurel so I voted for Laurel wasted my extra vote you officially broke up any chance that Laurel and I ever had of working together in that moment

[01:10:56] and I would argue that that night you won a million dollars so I do remember saying that to her distinctly so that was two on Laurel two on Michael Revote was on Michael yeah I'm trying to think exactly why I told Laurel to vote for you that's interesting

[01:11:30] who would she have been voting for before that Michael so Michael so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so und sie geht für dich. Oh, ich habe Michael gewohnt. Du weißt.

[01:12:21] Und ich glaube, es war ... Ich weiß nicht, ob ich das Michael-Vote von mir gewohnt. Das ist ein gefährliches Spiel auf meiner Seite. Wir gehen da. Ich sollte mich für mich selbst spielen. Aber ja, ich glaube, weil ich wusste, dass die zwei Votes gehen, diese zwei Wien ...

[01:12:44] Laura ... Ja, du wusstest, ich war auch auf Laura gewohnt. Du wusstest, es war zu Laura, zu Michael. Ich weiß nicht. Ich glaube, meine Perspektive war, wenn es eine funny Eitel-Vote gibt, oder eine auf dich ... Ja, dann würde ich mich nicht nach Hause gehen,

[01:13:01] wenn Michael eine Eitel hat. Es war dein inscheren Plan, dass ich nach Hause gehe, sogar wenn Michael einen Votes für dich gewohnt. Aber ... Es wäre noch zu Laura von dir. Ja, zu Michael. Du wirst mich auch auf die Seite gehen.

[01:13:18] Wir können es nicht mehr fangen. Ja, für ein paar Gründe, ich dachte, es war ein inscheren Plan. Ja. Ich habe mich nicht mit dem Eitel beschädigt. Du wusstest nicht, warum du dich gewohnt. Du wusstest, ich war mit dir gewohnt.

[01:13:33] Ich habe dir gesagt, dass ich meine Vorteile habe. In den paar Stunden, bevor wir zur Tribule ging, wusste du, dass du mich gewohnt hast. Du wusstest, dass du mich gewohnt hast, dass du mich gewohnt hast. Du wusstest, dass du mich gewohnt hast.

[01:13:48] Du wusstest, dass du mich gewohnt hast. Du wusstest, dass du mich gewohnt hast. Ich weiß nicht, ob ich dir gewohnt habe, dass du mich gewohnt hast. Ich glaube, du wirst mich nicht gewohnt. Ja, und es war nicht so. Ich war nicht gewohnt.

[01:14:02] Das ist mein only Weg, um mich zu protecten. Das ist warum du musst denken, wie du ein Spiel zu gewinnen, statt ein Spiel zu bleiben, weil ich dich nicht gewohnt habe. Ja, du wirst gewohnt. Ich war so weit von dem, dass ich nicht aufmerksam bin,

[01:14:18] dass ich ein guter Spieler bin. Ich war so weit von eigentlich immer, dass ich das Spiel gemacht habe. Ich konnte auch meine Votum auf den Revote und eine andere Tiefe verwenden. Du wirst gewohnt. Ich habe das nicht gemacht. Das einzige, was ich sage, ist,

[01:14:34] dass du nicht genug Kredit geben kannst, wenn du ein guter Spieler bist. Ich glaube, du bist ein sehr, sehr guter Spieler. Ich glaube, du wirst ein guter Spieler gewonnen. Ich werde dir das sagen. Das ist wie du mir eine Votum für dich für 1 Million Dollar gewohnt.

[01:14:50] Ich wollte es spielen. Du weißt, sehr, sehr früh ich wollte mit Miu und Bradley gewohnt. Bevor Wendell und Dom es war Miu und Bradley und dann allmählich Dom die Fasche auf Bradley war das für sure Final 3. Ich glaube, ich habe ihn zum Ende genommen,

[01:15:15] wenn ich es für sicher hätte. Ja. Wenn ich zurückgehe, ist dieser Mann zu smart? Ist er? Ich weiß nicht. Ich wusste, er hätte mich gewohnt. Er ist der beste, der mit dir ist. Wenn ich ihm gedacht habe, das ist gut, aber du weißt,

[01:15:44] Kellin, ich war rockend mit Miu und Bradley. Ich dachte, wir waren 3 kleine, kurke Leute zusammen und du hast Dom und Miu um die andere zu verletzen. Wir sind hier, lachen und giggeln. Ich habe es gehört, mein Bruder hat mich von der Airport zu Hause verletzt.

[01:16:09] Ich habe es nicht erinnern, aber ich habe es jetzt gemacht, dass du gesagt hattest, dass mein Bruder beim Merch-Votum nicht warm genug war und du dachtest, ich wäre nicht mit dir. Ich kann mir vorhin nicht mehr Leute wissen, dass ich mit Windel arbeiten kann.

[01:16:29] Wir müssen das ein Secret haben, denn jeder denkt, ich bin so neviti. Ich habe es gehört, dass ich mit Windel in der Airport verletzt habe. Ich habe es gehört, dass mein Bruder beim Merch-Votum nicht warm genug war und ich habe es gehört,

[01:16:54] dass mein Bruder beim Merch-Votum nicht warm genug war. Ich habe es gehört, dass mein Bruder war, dass mein Bruder beim Merch-Votum nicht warm genug war. Ich habe es gehört, dass mein Bruder beim Merch-Votum nicht warm genug war. Das ist mein Bruder, der so hart war.

[01:17:23] Aber ich habe es auch nicht mit dir im Kontakt. Ich habe es gehört, dass ich hier doing our work. Ja, du warst, weil wir viel gewinnen. Ja, du warst. Ich habe nicht gewonnen. Ich habe das ganze Jahr gewonnen. Wenn du wissen, dass du nicht gewinnen. Vielen Dank.

[01:17:49] Vielen Dank. Vielen Dank für die Erinnerung. In meiner Meinung nach, und wie wir wissen, dass unser Jahr sehr dick war. Aber zu mir ist es, was die Leute sagen, dass ich dick bin. Aber ich bin nicht. Du hast mich in unserer Relationschaft in der Nacht gewonnen.

[01:18:13] Vielen Dank. Ich werde auch sagen, es war ziemlich schade für mich, nicht zu spielen mit meinem Idol. Es war sehr riskant. Ich kann nicht glauben, dass du nicht spielen mit deinem Idol, aber es war sehr riskant. Es war sehr riskant. Ich habe das gesagt,

[01:19:00] dass ich ein Händel wie Jonathan habe. Jonathan ist auf der Strecke stehen. Er ist unter Kontrolle. Er ist doing this. Und wir glauben, oh mein Gott, und dann sehen meine Name so viele mal auf das Chelsea.

[01:19:26] Wendell, Chelsea, everyone in there is like, there's like 100 plus people in there and they're like thinking that I'm really going home. And then it's probably like Chelsea, Chelsea. I was like, yeah!

[01:19:43] I remember that because, okay. So there was the group of guys plus Donathan and Laurel and then me and the girls and Donathan was like saying he's giving all these truth bombs. He's saying they're not working with each other anymore. Navidie's broken.

[01:20:01] The girls we were sitting at a disadvantage in the front row and the guys are in the back row and we're all like even though Donathan's saying what's actually happening like me, you and Dom.

[01:20:11] We're all like no, we're good. Like there's you know, here's these things. There's reasons why. And then the moment all of the votes come out for you and Chelsea. I remember flipping my head back and you and Dom are looking at me like what?

[01:20:27] And I'm looking at you like what? Oh yeah. I don't think it makes the air but I will never forget me. Yeah, me and Chelsea like whipping our head and looking back at you guys like I guess the gig is up or whatever they say.

[01:20:43] Yeah, yeah that was like, that was a night. My goodness. I remember those heads whipping back. Like hey, all right we were both lying to each other. Yeah, but all of us had our pants down. Yeah, we're all gone.

[01:21:01] Oh, and then it was a long haul then because we had a day off a reward challenge day and then my vote out tribal so we knew that I was next everyone including me knew I was next for those three whole days. That was a rough.

[01:21:17] That was a rough ride those last three days but we made it. My goodness. Like yeah. Kellen, you're so strong and so smart and so likable and that's why I think that you are a scary survivor player.

[01:21:36] Oh well I was and in those days are thankfully thankfully behind us it was a fun time.

[01:21:43] I other than winning I feel like I got literally the best of the experience like being in seventh place I got to hang out at Ponderosa for the five days like do that whole thing.

[01:21:55] Back when they did Ponderosa videos, it was such a sweet spot to go got to the loved ones visit and so I'm so thankful for that because if you guys were just hanging on to me until then just because of that I'm so thankful.

[01:22:09] But it was a great experience overall and those seven weeks of being out there are some of the best time of my life and your kindness and care and the fun we had together and how safe I felt with you and it was just a really fun time.

[01:22:33] A lot of my fun memories involve you. I remember like we'd be land just saying silly stuff and you'd be like, I like poke me. Yeah it was that like that original naviti crew, we were just, we were having a really good time.

[01:22:52] Yeah, those first 10 days were just a complete blast. I think it has to be my favorite part of it. Noble caught a, caught a nobel and Sebastian caught that stingray. No, the, did they catch a stingray also? I'm talking about the lobster.

[01:23:08] Oh sorry, we had stingray on Malolo Beach. Yes, the lobster because what didn't Sebastian say at the thing we were bragging, we were being shitty bragging about and he was like yeah we're going to have lobster for dinner at the challenge. I thought Noble said that.

[01:23:23] Oh no, oh that makes more sense. And then all of a sudden they catch one. Sebastian catches one. Yeah, I'm just like this is unreal. And that was like within what day two, day three? It was so early. It's in the first six days for sure. Like yeah.

[01:23:42] I'm just wondering, this is survivor. Sign me up. I'm eating lobster. I'm having a good time with my friends. Oh, you didn't even go hungry. You were on all those rewards. I'm just kidding.

[01:24:00] Okay, well is there anything else that I've missed about life or since survivor survivor that you want to talk about before we go into rapid round? Kellen, how do you like podcasting? It has been the greatest experience to spend time with people.

[01:24:23] I'm so thankful and lucky that people are willing to like come on here. We don't have money to pay you to come and spend time with me. Wait, I'm not getting paid. Oh yeah, I'm sorry. Your check. I'm out of here. He's out. Hey, hello.

[01:24:43] und um euch und anderen den ganzen Raum zu sprechen, deine Lebenserwählte und was es geht. CBS hat alles hart gemacht. Sie haben uns durch Monate und Monate, manchmal Jahre, von Menschen, die eine unglaubliche Geschichte haben, zu erzählen.

[01:25:03] Und dann holen sie uns und wir uns aus und lassen uns nicht erzählen. Und so, ich, ich appreciate all of the background casting that CBS has done to find people like you with amazing stories, storytelling ability. It has been so fulfilling and I started to sweat.

[01:25:25] Woo, I started to sweat because I talked to you about it. I was like, Wendell, should I do this? I don't know. Should I ask Rob permission? And you're like, what are you talking about?

[01:25:34] Asking Rob permission, like go tell him you want him to put it on his network. And so thank you for that. You can, you all can thank Wendell Holland for Road to Reality coming out the way it has because you believed in me first.

[01:25:48] But it's been really fun fulfilling and I'm hoping for a season two we'll see. I'm so happy that you're doing it. Like, I think, I think you seem so, you seem energized by it. You're so good at it. You do your research.

[01:26:04] I'm glad that you hit me up and just said, hey, this is what I'm thinking about. And because I know Rob, like he loves giving people like do it, like do it, especially if it's something that you could be good at and you're really good at it.

[01:26:18] So keep going girl. Like you're you're killing it. Thank you. Yeah, it's feeling really natural. And one of my tarot card readings right after I got back from survivor, she was like, I don't know.

[01:26:34] Like, I'm seeing you as like this interviewer, like being and I was like, I don't know what she's talking about at all. But here we are. It's coming, coming true. So I really love it. Okay, how many times did you apply for survivor? At least five.

[01:26:52] Okay, I don't think I knew that for some reason. I thought you were only a couple, a couple of like different years or like just different videos, different videos and live auditions.

[01:27:04] Yeah, like I have a I have a video of myself at some random audition in California somewhere back in 2013. So is the long longer term. Yeah, it took a while. Okay, the three words to describe you on your CBS bio were determined, inspirational and loving.

[01:27:25] What are three words that describe you today? Is it the same something different? I'd say it's the same determine inspirational and loving. I set my mind on something that I want to do and I try to like do it as best I can. That's like the determination.

[01:27:44] The lovingness, it's like I now have a son and like I pour everything into him and inspirational. I try to always post things that inspire me on my Instagram and hopefully they inspire other people. So I think those three words are good for me. Yes, I agree.

[01:28:00] And you were loving on the show. I mean people, I know that everyone wants all these villains and all this stuff and crazy things. But ultimately at the end of the day, you want to give the money to somebody who has played a really great game of survivor.

[01:28:19] But you want them to have been kind to you. I agree with that. They don't have to be nice because survivor isn't nice, but they can be kind.

[01:28:31] And I think that that's something that it doesn't always make great TV, but it does matter if you're going out to play. Remember loving, loving people do well on the show.

[01:28:43] What was the hardest part of the survivor experience and then the best part everything from like standing in that line in 2013 casting all the way to right now? I would say my hardest part was obviously season 40.

[01:28:58] First and foremost, it was how after making big moves in the game, voting out like a parve or a yule, how the fans responded to me. From my perspective, you can't, I can't sit next to a poverty at the end of the game.

[01:29:14] I can't sit next to you at the end of the game. It doesn't make any sense. So I was making my bet aside from the fact that like I had allies that were in front of these people.

[01:29:25] So I was making what I thought was my best game move, but fans like they really like they attacked me in my social media and it just got really ugly. And I don't think I was ready for that.

[01:29:40] I don't think I was ready after winning, you know, just two seasons prior to be attacked that much that way. And so yeah, the second time was most difficult. But aside from like that, aside from the fans response also playing the game against 19 other winners.

[01:30:01] I think there's a difference when you played one time in one against. I mean versus when you play against people that have played two, three, four, five times. Institutional survivor players. Especially when my win was literally like a year and a half prior.

[01:30:20] So I got off of this super high. I'm very visible and everything having a good time, you know, live in life. And I'm ready to do it all over again, whereas some of these people hadn't played in 10 years and they played three times back then.

[01:30:35] And they only won one of those three and they understand the sting of defeat. And they understand how to either lose their first game and then come back and win.

[01:30:45] They understand or in Tony's case he won his first time like a superhero came back and they spanked him. And then he understood like that game humbled him. So coming back so quick after a win, I learned so much.

[01:31:01] So this next hard part is coming into a game with people that are well much more seasoned than I am and thinking that I could use like whatever charm or whatever to get through it this time again. Yeah, foolish assumption.

[01:31:20] I think that if I were to go back out a third time, I would play a lot differently. And I learned a lot. A hard, a hard pill to swallow even during the experience. It sounds like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's so much season 40 taught me so much.

[01:31:39] And also taught me things like, you know, there is like there's life outside of survivor and it might be who of you to treat certain people despite not wanting to play with certain people or whatever. Like you said.

[01:31:57] Kindness, maybe just delicate hands, maybe just like understanding and I definitely took that into the goat. I'm like wow certain people on this show are huge outside of the show and life goes on outside of these few weeks.

[01:32:14] So hey, it might be good to be cool with these. I think I learned that lesson on season 40, where I thought I was something. But these people are institutions in this, you know, franchise and I'm, you know, I just got here last year.

[01:32:31] So that was a that was a lesson that I learned that I'm taking everywhere I go. Yeah, there's always somebody who's done it before. So who can we learn from and learn what we want to do what we don't want to do and that sort of thing.

[01:32:47] I can't imagine what it was like to walk out into the arena that day. Yo, Kellen, like I just won and all these people are old Kellen like I'm like, of course I'm going to win this one too.

[01:32:59] Okay, Rob Tyson, Jerry, yo, I'm about to beat all yo. Yo, that's how I walked out. I walked out ready girl, but it's way bigger than just being like younger. You know, there's so much more to it and like they're such great players and they won for reasons.

[01:33:19] Yeah, each of you did. Each of you did. So yeah, learned a lot, even like Jeremy, that's big bro. That was my idol loved him blah, blah, blah, even though he and he voted me out season 40.

[01:33:32] But I learned a lot watching him play and there are things, there are aspects of his game that I would take back if I went back again. Like, I remember Jeremy never saying a single name. And I'm like, like, we're cool. Like we're working together. And like never.

[01:33:52] And I'm just in my head. I'm just like man, this guy ain't playing or is he scared or whatever. A lot of people weren't saying names and a lot of people made it further than me.

[01:34:03] Yeah, it's like you if you don't say a name, you can get caught up. When do you when do you do that? When do you switch that because I wasn't saying names. I was letting Bradley say names.

[01:34:15] I was letting other people say names, but then rather than Bradley. Not because of that. So many things. But it's like at what point, though you can you you can't go to the end and never say a name like.

[01:34:33] It's just I mean, I guess can you is that's what never not just not me. I don't know. Some people say the name of in this new era of survivor. Some people say the name of the game is getting to the end. Yeah.

[01:34:48] And then like you can Gabler. You can Jamjet. Like you can marry it like you just you got to get there and then if so seems to be the like the personality play of like being friendly and like bull and like just seemingly innocent.

[01:35:10] I tried to do that, but it didn't caught up with me. You know, so I don't I don't know how to tell people like that line to tell. I just don't know what it is between.

[01:35:23] Not strategizing or strategizing or being friendly or like it's so it's so intricate. I just don't know if there's a way to do it until you know who you're playing with. Yeah. Well, I think you can strategize and still not say name. Yeah.

[01:35:41] Well, I mean, I'm saying that but I didn't do that on 40. I'm saying that thinking that maybe you know, so. What would you say you were saying names on 36? Yeah. Okay, okay. I was like wait a second. Oh yeah. Me and Dom like in Lorela.

[01:36:00] Well, me and Dom would always. We have our, you know how we wanted to do things and we let each other know. All right, this person that person that person now you need to switch these persons. All right cool. Let's do it.

[01:36:12] I will say something I've always wanted to ask you. I might take this out. I don't know. All right. Like this is not just me being well I am bitter about it.

[01:36:21] Don't get me wrong like I am bitter, but it's not just me being bitter about it because it was shown on television of Laurel saying, I know I can't beat these guys. I know I can't beat them, but I'm going to go with them anyway.

[01:36:35] If I go with Kellen, I don't know what's going to happen. Yeah. How did you get someone to go with you when they knew they couldn't beat you?

[01:36:49] It's the age old, it's the age old question of do you want to have an easier path to the end but do you want to have an easier path to the end.

[01:37:00] But make it to the end or but a harder chance of winning at the end or do you want to have an easier chance of winning at the end but an extremely hard chance of getting to the end.

[01:37:12] I get that, but it's literally quote I know I cannot beat them. Okay. No I cannot beat them and you knew that she couldn't beat you at the end.

[01:37:22] I didn't believe that she could, I don't think, I think Dom thought he could beat us both and I thought I could beat them both. Yeah, I mean she said on the, and I don't want to just talk badly about her.

[01:37:32] I mean in your like winning survivor strategy is you had Laurel and Donathan, both of them coming to me to my face saying I cannot beat them. Yes. Yet by. So. And how did you do that? How did you do that?

[01:37:52] I was working with them for a very long time first of all. So we'll start there, we have this relationship from the first swap right, but also and I have tried to prove my loyalty to both of them from that time.

[01:38:07] And we've built that level of trust right, we get towards the end and yeah you can be this like shiny new Corvette or this little,

[01:38:16] you can pitch them this plan that would go for us, but what's to ensure them anything about you going to the end with them or about you actually working with them or not putting a fast one on them at the end.

[01:38:32] I believe that there should be a logical time in the game where yo we're all throwing our hands up. I need to play for me now. You are playing for you now. Yes, that is what I was trying to. And that's what you're pitching to them. Yes.

[01:38:48] And I think that that's, I think that we've seen that play out in some seasons at our season, I think it was more so. Kelly is trying to sell me something here and I understand like it might be easier for me to be the Kellen than a Dom.

[01:39:03] But I know for a fact that at the very least these people are taking me as far as they can take me. So maybe if we get Kellen out now, that's one person in front of me, then maybe Dom won't win the next day or Wendell.

[01:39:19] I guess that's what it is. Them thinking that there might be some opportunity to get one of us out there between them, whereas because they know that they had our loyalty. We were loyal to them. Yeah. I will rock with y'all till the end. Laurel, Donathan, Dom.

[01:39:40] But I think Donathan was the one that really started spinning off a little bit. I got him to vote for Dom on the way out. That's why we had to clip him.

[01:39:50] We wanted, I think it got to a point where we're like, yo, we don't even want to send you home but just stop going crazy. Oh my God. I don't know what you guys did.

[01:40:01] I know some people think it's boring and all this stuff, but I have Sebastian coming to me and saying it's you. I do not remember if this is real or if it's a dream. Maybe you can help me out.

[01:40:15] I have this dream or is it real that me, you and Dom and Sebastian were sitting on the front beach, not the Cove Beach, but on the front beach. We got into it. But before that, Sebastian saying like, can I've done everything you guys have told me?

[01:40:31] Can we please just do Donathan before we vote, Kellan? That sounds like it could have happened. That sounds like it could have happened. I think he was riding for you. I think if I'm not mistaken.

[01:40:48] He had an extra vote if he would have told me we could have done it. He says he has nightmares about not telling me about that vote. Extra vote, which I had worn around in my bikini bottoms for days and days.

[01:41:04] Because there's like in ladies swimsuits, there's like a lining, you know? And there was like a space in between the lining of my bikini bottom and outside. And so that's where I lived with my extra vote the whole time.

[01:41:15] And then Sebastian comes upon the roast and he's like, I've been sleeping with that extra vote in my hood every single night. I'm like, that's what you get for not telling me about it and not going with me.

[01:41:30] But even Sebastian, like I went up to Sebastian and I was like, look, because my very terrible apparently angle was to go to you say you cannot beat Dom. There's no way here the votes he has. And I went to Dom and said, you cannot beat Wendell.

[01:41:46] Here are the votes he has. And in those times, both of you were saying you were going to get Sebastian's vote. So I go to Sebastian and I'm like, yo, I literally have been going through their jury plan and you are on it.

[01:42:01] Like you are on their jury plan. You have got to come and vote with me. And he is, you know, just know, just know. I could not get those last three days were so hard like I could not get anyone to budge.

[01:42:17] I mean, I was just too late, right? You guys were pretty darn good at keeping your people in a row. It was all of our first time playing, you know, like we got extremely lucky numerous times. I got extremely lucky numerous times.

[01:42:32] Every it was the perfect storm for me. I won by one vote, you know. So yeah. And you're right. Had certain things happened. Had Sebastian shared that info. Yeah, it would have gone totally differently. It could have. It was never going to.

[01:42:53] I believe you are kind of destined to win, but we'll get to that. Okay. Goodness, Kellen. Could you beat the dead horse much? My goodness. I really didn't mean to be putting Wendell over the coals here. Listening back, it comes across that way.

[01:43:08] The question I was trying to get to and I did not do well was how as an expert survivor winner Wendell, did you get people to take action that was against their own interest in winning?

[01:43:25] And it sounds like his answer was build relationships early and be really trustworthy. And that's how you can get people to take action against their own chances of winning. And look, this is what it's to be on survivor. You look back on your game here.

[01:43:43] It is six years later. You have a chance to talk with somebody and you slip into it. If you noticed, I slipped into it a little bit here. I lose sense that I'm interviewing.

[01:43:52] I get a little bit lost in repeating myself and trying to figure out from Wendell, how did he do that? And why did Laurel do that?

[01:44:00] Anyway, watching me kind of go into that mode is in this podcast we've talked about quote being in it and being out of it. You just witnessed me going back into it accidentally. But Wendell is a master player at survivor. He won his season and rightfully so.

[01:44:19] And I think he did answer the question even though I couldn't get it out. Okay, Sebastian, he's on a new show. He is challenge USA season two. They just dropped all the commercials today. I saw him talking about a crush that he had in the house.

[01:44:37] Oh my gosh, I did not. I've been off. I've been mostly off of social for a week being at the retreat so I had no idea. Oh, this is so exciting. The Sebastian is on challenge USA.

[01:44:51] Oh my God, that is going to be a blast, a blast to watch. Finding love on TV again. Okay, what was the best part of survivor winning? That was the best part. Yeah, getting the check. When the check hit the bank account. Like what part of the winning?

[01:45:10] Oh man. Is there a moment? I think at the live, when Jeff read that one last vote, when we were in LA and he read it because you truly don't know until he reads it. And it felt incredible.

[01:45:34] I jumped up, I've watched this moment on TV many times. And then for them to pan to my family and for my family to run up on stage and give me these big hugs. It was, I don't know if, I'll never have a high like that.

[01:45:49] That was the pinnacle. I can't, yeah, it was just the best feeling ever. And then once you won, you know, you're in this winners. Once you won your winner forever. So it's just cool to be able to say that I won. It's really cool. Yeah. Oh, I'm glad.

[01:46:11] I am glad. Thank you, come on. Okay, if you could go back and give yourself one piece of advice on day one of the first time you played, you probably didn't need to give yourself any advice. Because you won. No.

[01:46:26] Is there something for the second time you played or? I think, I think if I could go back to day one of my first day will be to check in with everyone every day on the island. Continue to check in with people just making sure,

[01:46:39] making sure things are cool looking people in the eyes. Just, you know, check in their temperature make sure and that's advice if someone randomly hits me up and says they're going out or something like that or someone asked for advice that's that's huge. Everyone every day.

[01:46:55] Everyone on the island every day. I remember even early like, right when after the first swap I'd say I didn't have a conversation with Jonathan yet and I got in a confessional and I'm talking to one of the producers.

[01:47:08] I'm talking to Clark and I'm just telling him like, yo this guy, Jonathan like what kind of a name is Jonathan? I don't know this like I said something like, I would never see Jonathan in Philly. Like who is this guy? Right.

[01:47:28] And I have, but I haven't spoken with him yet. I haven't had a conversation, but hey, I want to work with him. I'm saying all this stuff about Jonathan because I've watched him and I've heard him and I was in casting with him,

[01:47:40] but I've never worked with him because I've never opened the door communication because I maybe I was scared to say something to him. And all Clark said was, well, don't you think it would be a good idea to talk to him?

[01:47:53] And I know producers aren't supposed to steer you or anything, but I appreciated him saying that. It was probably more of like a question of like, well, do you think you'd like to talk with him then? Yeah, I can hear Clark's voice being like,

[01:48:06] so do you think you'd like to have a conversation with him? Right. And when he said that, I'm like, I'm going to have a conversation with him and I started talking to Jonathan and I was like, oh, I fell in love with this kid.

[01:48:20] So I don't know how. Advised everybody every day. Checking, you never know. Yeah, always checking with people and read their body language. Question 4B is inspired by you. I added this in when I was talking to Chrissy the first time and it's because of a conversation we had,

[01:48:41] which is when you left for survivor, did you believe you could win? Ich habe mich inspiriert. Ja, weil du, wenn ich es übernach, lange Zeit ago, und ich erinnere mich an dich, dass du, ja, natürlich, ich dachte, ich hätte gewonnen. Ich habe Journalenten.

[01:48:59] Ich habe ein Journalenten, der ich das, bevor sie uns ausgesprungen, über den Wunsch des Spiels, ich war so sicher, dass ich den Spiel gewinnen konnte und die Leute da, die mich wirklich gedacht haben, dass ich den Spiel gewinnen konnte.

[01:49:13] Ich habe auch, wie gesagt, ein Journalenten über den Spiel, wenn ich da war. Und sogar der Tag, den Penny mich nörderte und gesagt hat, ich war auf. Bis heute erinnere ich mich genau an das, wo ich mitgekommen bin, und erinnere mich, dass ich die Phone abgenommen habe,

[01:49:29] während ich mitgekommen bin, ich habe eine E-Mail zu meiner Familie, zwei Paragraphen, die ich hatte, die Kasse auf dieser Show, die nicht über den survivor waren, die nicht wissen, was ich mache, was ich mache. Aber mein letztes Mal war,

[01:49:43] ich war so sicher, dass ich das Spiel gewinnen konnte. Und ich habe es so lange gesagt, dass ich das Spiel gewinnen sollte. Ich habe es so lange gesagt, dass ich das Spiel gewinnen sollte. Und ich habe das Spiel auf meiner Taste gewonnen. Ich weiß nicht.

[01:49:57] In einigen Dingen fühlt es sich, dass es so, dass Destiny so etwas gemacht hat, dass es nicht zu sehen, wie hart du arbeitest, sondern wie masterful du warst. Denn du warst, aber es war auch so, dass ich das Spiel gewinnt habe. Und ich glaube, das ist etwas,

[01:50:17] was ich gedacht hätte, bevor ich da ging. Ich glaube, ich hätte es wirklich sehr gut gespielt, wenn ich erst angefangen hätte, über wie ich gewinnt werde, statt wie ich zuerst zu Hause gehe. Sie haben gesagt, Jam Jam hat auch viel gemacht.

[01:50:32] Ja, ich habe in seinem Interview gehört, dass er gesagt hat, ich werde gewinnen. Ich weiß es, das ist so, dass ich es mache. So, alle, die bereit sind, ich werde sie wissen. Ich habe das Spiel gemacht. Du hast es gemacht. Das ist ja eine Sache,

[01:50:51] dass ich auf die Ich liebe South Africa, ich liebe Cape Town, aber etwas etwas kleiner. Ich liebe Jamaica sehr, und ich gehe jedes Jahr da. Oh, nice. Ich fahre im Basketball Camp jedes Jahr. Ja, ja. Die Leute sollten mit Wendell und seine Basketball Campfälle mitführen.

[01:51:26] Jerny, wirst du im Sommer gehen? Ich gehe im Sommer, ich gehe am 14. August für eine Woche. Es ist ein Camp, wir kochen über 1000 kleine jamaische Kinder, wie man im Basketball spielen kann und wie kleine Kinder. Ich weiß nicht.

[01:51:42] Die Leute können mit dir folgen und das Programm abzunähen. Ja, ja, ja. Was ist das Name der Camp? Es ist das PMBL-Tresor Beach Basketball Camp. Der PMBL ist unsere Organisation. Wir gehen zum Treaser Beach und haben ein Basketball Camp. Einfach zu erinnern.

[01:52:00] Ist es ein Buch, das du geschrieben hast, dass du in einem Fall eine Geschichte geändert hast? Wenn ich das Frage über dachte, ich dachte, als Entrepreneur, gab es ein Buch, das mir gegeben hat, vielleicht im Jahr 2012, der E-Mith. Oh mein Gott, das war wirklich in meinem Kopf.

[01:52:24] Ich weiß nicht, ich bin sorry, ich bin einfach sehr verknallt. Ich habe 10 Kompens hier, so dass es nicht so cool ist. Ich war in meiner Hand. Das ist so cool. Ich weiß nicht, ich habe es nicht so gut gesehen. Daher habe ich es nicht so gut gesehen.

[01:52:47] Die E-Mith ist auf meiner Liste. Es gibt ein Quote, der Profit. Das ist dann, Und dann, jetzt, ich bin zurück und rieche. Ja, das ist ein guter. Ich rieche, der ritteste Mann in Babylon, das war etwas, was die Leute nur für lange Zeit vergesst haben,

[01:53:10] das ich nie habe. Und ich bin auch sehr auf Audio-Bücher. Aber auch, ich mag Tim Ferriss. Was sind seine Bücher? Für unser Körper, für unsere Arbeit. Tools of Titans, das ist ein guter. Oh, ich weiß nicht, das.

[01:53:28] Ja, so das, was er in einem Interview mit Heavy Hitters ist. Und über die Spektrum, was auch. Und du kannst dann, was du willst, choose, was du willst, aber du kannst nur die Gemüse von diesen Leuten. Ich vergesse, ich habe das durch Audio-Bücher,

[01:53:45] vielleicht drei oder vier Jahre ago. Es sind Prima-Deals, ich glaube, es wird nicht. Ich war immer so, dass alle da draußen sind und ihr Audio-Bücher abonniert, aber es wird noch nicht aufs sale gehen. Es ist für mich sicher das beste Weg,

[01:53:57] um extra Rezit zu bekommen. Für mich sicher, ja, so sind es einige Bücher. Es ist so verrückt, ich weiß nicht ob es, weil du gesagt hast, für einen Entrepreneur, aber ich habe viele Business-Bücher, aber die E-Meth, es war eine transformierte one

[01:54:11] für mich früher in meiner Arbeit, ich habe es in der Schule gelungen. Also eine gute Suggestion, ich weiß nicht, das blieb mein Leben. Okay, was ist dein Lieblingspodcast, was du für ein Podcast aufstattest, oder ein Podcast-Episode, das du nicht mehr konzentriert konzentriert konzentriert konzentriert konzentriert.

[01:54:27] Ja, also, ich bin ein Helper zu Bryce auf dem Purple Pass Podcast. Ich liebe diesen Podcast. Aber es gibt Pots, die ich sehr geniegt habe. Es gibt ein Mann, der Bacari Sellers. Er war in der Morehouse College, das war der, wo ich ging.

[01:54:45] Er ist jetzt ein Mann, er ist ein Gesprächs-Handel. Er ist in der Mein schreckliches Erlebnis ist ein Podcast, das ist ein Brodown Podcast. Ich drehe es auf, wenn ich gebildet bin oder so. Es ist der Joe Budden Podcast.

[01:55:29] Joe Budden ist ein Rapper, der jetzt ein sehr hoher Podcast ist. Er hat so eine große Netzwerke. So sind meine Pods. Und viele davon. Ich höre auf Johnny Banana's Podcast auf der Ringer. Es ist die Death Taxes und Bananen.

[01:55:48] Es ist ein Challenge Podcast, weil ich ein Fan bin. Ich habe viele Pods, die ich lese. Ja, viele gute Suggestionen. Ja. Fun. Okay. Du hörst es? Ich weiß, du hörst es, aber ist es eine Song, die du jetzt hörst? Ich bin ein sehr guter Hussle-Fan.

[01:56:13] Also meine Liebungs-Song, eine meiner Liebungs-Songen ist eine Motivation. Ich habe das, ich glaube, auf repeat, wenn ich für die 40er-Jahre ging. Vielleicht sollte ich das aus der Rotation nehmen. Es gibt eine Song mit Jay-Z und Nipsey, die es so fühlt.

[01:56:32] Und dann gibt es eine Song, die Gott gemacht hat, von DJ Khaled. Also, das sind meine Songs. Ich liebe Hip Hop. Ich habe eine Musik-Memorie mit dir. Chance the Rapper Album war sehr neu, ich glaube, wenn wir, ja, sehr neu waren.

[01:56:53] Wir waren da, und ich habe ein paar Trinkungen von Ponderosa auf der Nacht, die du nachher kamst, die du gewonnen hast. Wir wussten, dass du mehr oder weniger gewonnen hast und uns die Chance the Rapper aufzutragen.

[01:57:08] Jeden Tag, als ich das Album hören habe, habe ich die Chance der Rapper, und uns auf der Bar stehen, das Song singen. Ich liebe Chance. Ich habe seine T-Shirt und eine Hatt. Ich habe sie geordnet, wie sie vor der Woche kamen.

[01:57:22] Ich liebe Chance, aber ich liebe ihn damals. Er war so refreshiert. Und ich würde sagen, dass es auf der Island ist, Chance ist besser als Kanye. Chance, wenn er wirklich mit dem ersten Album kam, ist das eine tolle Memorie. Danke für das Erholen.

[01:57:45] Ich weiß, dass viele Leute dich wissen, wie du dich finden kannst. Aber wo können die Leute dich finden? Wir wissen, dass der Goat in den nächsten Jahren, 2024 oder 2023, woher soll man dich sehen? Ja, wir werden uns auf den Goat fangen, wenn das kommt.

[01:58:04] Ich werde mich alle auf einem anderen Bild aufnehmen. Das wird toll. Ich würde das gerne machen. Alle Social-Plattformen auf Wendell Holland, auf Threads, checkt mich aus. Instagram, Twitter, ich fahre auf Twitter. YouTube, Wendell Holland. Und auch auf Instagram sind wir Bryce and Wen present.

[01:58:28] Ihr könnt viele Leute sehen. Wir haben viele Leute da. Wir werden uns auf einen dieser Zeiten fangen. Somit. Bist du nicht auf TikTok? Ich bin auf TikTok. Ich bin auf TikTok, Wendell Holland. Ich glaube, dass meine Projekte unbelebt sind. Beve, Unlimited. Aber ich poste nicht viel.

[01:58:50] Ich versuche es. Ich habe das gehört, Wendell. Ich habe das gehört, dass Instagram die Facebook-Facebook ist. Wenn ihr auf Instagram seid, seid ihr wie die alten Leute auf Facebook. Und TikTok ist dort, wo ihr seid. Ich glaube, ihr seid richtig. Wir sind alle...

[01:59:10] Ihr seid so richtig. Es wäre uns wirklich sagen würden. Wir sind nicht wirklich auf Instagram, weil wir auf Facebook sind. Das ist was wir tun. Wenn wir auf Instagram sagen, wir sind nicht auf TikTok. Es hat wirklich mich verhörigen. Ich habe mein Herz.

[01:59:29] Ich war so alt. Ich dachte, jemanden jung zu fangen, um meinen TikTok-Account zu fahren. Das ist deine Begründung. Ich glaube, du musst auch. 100%. Ich bin auf sie. Vielen Dank für heute. Ich weiß, mit einem 7-week-olden Baby und eure Leben immer sehr busy.

[01:59:52] Ich appreciate, dass du mit mir Zeit spielst. Ich bin so dankbar, dass ich dich mit dir meeten konnte. Und dass unsere Freundschaft immer noch weiter ist. Vielen Dank für deine Zeit. Vielen Dank für meine Zeit. Wenn du mir immer etwas brauchen, ich bin immer hier.

[02:00:09] Ich appreciate deine Freundschaft, deine Widerung und deine Erinnerung. Vielen Dank. Und immer mit diesen Podcasts. Du bist so talentiert. Du bist so weit weg. Du bist einfach am Anfang der Sache. Ich hoffe, du bist so weit weg. Ich werde dich gleich wiederholen. Ich werde dich gleich wiederholen.

[02:00:29] Vielen Dank für das heute. Vielen Dank für deine Zeit, die Wahrheit, die Verwaltung und die Vulnerabilität. Ich bin dankbar von der Bühne meiner Erinnerung. Vielen Dank für meine Freundschaft aus der Überraschung von Jacob Derwin für die Erinnerung von mir aus der Manhattan.

[02:01:38] Eine meiner Lieblingssongen von all dem Zeit. Eine, die ich für ein gesamtes Jahr auf der eigenen Überraschung von mir aus erheblich. Für dich, die Lesen, die so weit gemacht haben, vielen Dank für mich und diese multifassivierten Gäste und die

[02:02:32] Hör'n'out the window, she's turning on the night. She takes a pen to her new novel, and the airplane takes flight. Mmmh, I never knew. Mmmh, I never knew. Mmmh, I never knew. Mmmh, I never knew you. We're flying out to Dublin, just to stop along the trail.

[02:03:40] Mira hops from there to Paris. I ride to Belfast on the rail. Now she's cheering in the winery. I'm staring at the sea. Her name is Mira from Manhattan. It doesn't matter much to me. Mmmh, I never knew. Mmmh, I never knew. Mmmh, I never knew.

[02:04:22] I never knew you. I never knew you. You. I'm making a podcast, can you even believe it? I can't.