Road to Reality | Having Fun with Davie Rickenbacker

[00:00:00] Welcome to Road To Reality, the limited series where I, Kellen Bechtel, go on a conversational journey with fellow survivor contestants about their real lives. In this 10-part series, we invite you to listen in on unscripted conversations that, crazy enough, aren't really about playing

[00:00:23] survivor but about being a person who was on survivor. These are deep dive conversations not into post-game strategy but into the lives of contestants before and after survivor and the experiences that shaped them into who they are today. So sit back, relax,

[00:00:40] and join me as we take a ride down the road to reality. Hello everybody, welcome back to Road To Reality. Today we are talking with another David versus Goliath, David, Davie Rickenbacker.

[00:00:55] We talked with Davie about how he ended up as a public health professional working at the CDC during the pandemic, how being an extrovert means something different once you enter the world of

[00:01:06] reality TV, growing up as a middle child of three boys in South Carolina and bringing his childhood dreams to life and adulthood, how he's navigating being an influencer online and in Atlanta, and of course his experience of being on survivor and his specific reasons for wanting

[00:01:21] to play again in the new era. Davie lets us into his world in a way that feels like going on an adventure with him. My face hurt throughout the interview from smiling through so much of it.

[00:01:34] He mentioned at Ponderosa that Gabby Pascuzzi gave him one of his favorite compliments of all time, which was, I've never met anyone like you and I cannot agree more. There is no one else

[00:01:46] like Davie Rickenbacker on this planet and we are so lucky to spend time with him today. He is a glow of positive energy in an extremely genuine way and I had an absolute blast. I could

[00:02:05] have talked to him for five hours, I think it went by in an absolute instant and I assume it will be the same for you. If anyone who works in television happens to be listening to this,

[00:02:16] get Davie Rickenbacker back on our televisions as soon as possible. The world needs more Davie. We start out with of course, where's Davie in the world today? I present to you the uncommon, calculating and adventurous Davie Rickenbacker. Let's start with just where in the world

[00:02:40] are you today? I love that because my tagline and I've been that really RSHP created was Where's Davie? That's true. I didn't even think of that. Of course, my mom created it but they

[00:02:56] just love that and I've even been using it on, you know, my influencer tag when I'm creating for different spaces and businesses. I'm like, where's Davie? Tag the business. Thank you, RJP. But yeah, let's see, where am I right now? I'm still located in Atlanta, Georgia,

[00:03:19] still working for the Center for Disease Control though it's a lot different post COVID than it was pre COVID. Just to say a little bit about that telework culture has become imminent. Are you working remote full time? Completely, yes. There's no plans for us to

[00:03:43] go back to the office and I'm okay with that. I mean there has been instances where we'll come in the office for like these group meets which I appreciate but I feel like if we're able to work

[00:03:57] efficiently remotely, why not continue to do it? Exactly. Yeah, I don't think I would ever go back. I sometimes think about the amount of money I would have to make to like get up and go into

[00:04:09] an office every day. Here I am at 7 p.m. my hair is still not brushed. It would have to be a big fat paycheck. Oh my god, I just put on a t-shirt for you. But yeah, I'm here in Atlanta

[00:04:24] doing these things. I was blessed after Survivor to get a I won't say a huge following because we don't get followings like Big Brother and the Bachelor but we do have a substantial amount of

[00:04:37] followers. Sometimes more than others. You being the more me being the less. Come on everybody, help me out. Right, so I mean so I have used that to kind of keep my what is the phrase? Is it 7

[00:04:52] seconds of fame, 15 seconds of fame? To kind of keep that bit of fame and bit of fandom and it's really worked because social media has grown since I got off the show. So I feel like

[00:05:03] I'm growing. Yeah we forget. I mean I, Instagram was around before we played because I would have just played like the year before you and like yeah, Instagram was a thing for certain but like not everyone even had it. Yes I remember specifically with your season because Wendell

[00:05:24] was posting a lot and I kind of was mimicking what I could do and couldn't do off of what he did. Maybe I shouldn't have because he won but hey I was still gonna do it. And I remember

[00:05:35] specifically that you guys didn't even have stories when your season came out. We were not allowed to post anything at all. We were not supposed to be posting anything at all except that

[00:05:46] the PR team like for the first few episodes gave us four photos that we could post but that was it. We weren't supposed to be tweeting or anything. Oh this is I curse on this podcast so you can

[00:05:59] talk to everybody. Okay okay but no I just say that to say that when our season came out we did have stories. So that's what I mean as social media kind of has been growing with me and

[00:06:13] I was always good at like in my fraternity I was the photographer guy so I was good at capturing moments before it was a thing and you know even in high school I was in this organization called

[00:06:26] Capitalty, Key Club all of that stuff. I had those photo skills so it kind of just came second nature to me. I don't know if that's something maybe I should have focused on in school

[00:06:37] and maybe actually catered my education towards that. Don't get me wrong I love public health. I love what I actually let me step back. So the listeners know I have my bachelor's degree in

[00:06:50] environmental sciences and my master's degree in public health which me and Kellan have in the comment. Yeah that's right I was going to say I don't know people probably don't know. My bachelor's is in environmental management and my master's degree is in public health. Wow.

[00:07:09] So yeah so I right before I went out on to Sibyra maybe about a year before when I was getting my MPH and I happened to be working at CDC one day and a pop-up popped up well let me

[00:07:26] get real. I was searching for casting calls and I saw one that was going to be in Georgia and I'm like what is right down the street from me? Oh I gotta go and I told the story

[00:07:41] million times I'm sure some of the listeners know but I played hooking from work that day and I drove down to it was that a zoo a petting zoo one of those zoos where you get to drive

[00:07:53] through in a fee-pee animals. That's because it's a carrie type I don't know. But I and this is why I don't tell people that to bank on casting calls because it was not a great experience.

[00:08:11] It was like come on like they wanted you to speak in front of a camera no one's talking to you they were like okay just go I'm like what the hell do I say to a to my girl?

[00:08:23] You know ask me a question I thought this was going to be like a confessional or something but no it wasn't and I kind of just goofed that but that gave me the confidence to say hey Davey if you're

[00:08:33] serious about this take your ass home find somebody to help you record some things throw it on and I did that and literally maybe a week later they called so I guess that was you know it's

[00:08:45] all seven times. Yes it is oh I I haven't talked to anyone I don't even well a couple people in my season but outside of that I hadn't talked to anyone who had been to a live casting call so

[00:08:55] I never pictured the petting zoo setting. Yeah that was a thing. So you are how long have you been at the CDC? So I uh man I guess it's been a total of about six years now well what year

[00:09:12] is it 2023? I got out of school in 16 and went straight to CDC left there in 18 so about five or six years yeah okay. And now I didn't start off as like a full-time person

[00:09:30] I started off as a in a fellowship role of an organization called ORISE and I don't know if you're familiar with it but they basically take incoming graduates or incoming yeah recent graduates and they try to train them in the public health roles and I did health

[00:09:50] communications um and I really felt like health communications was very close to social media so I was like my social media expertise might come in handy for this I didn't really go to school for this I mean I did it while I was in school

[00:10:04] but it's gonna come in handy and lo and behold that also helped me get on survivor because they saw that as an opportunity because like I put on my application or what I wanted to be referred to as my occupation health communication specialist especially. They probably flipped that

[00:10:23] and made me a social media manager and I was like hmm I guess I kind of was at that time so okay I'll allow it. I'll take it I'll take it uh those those little things I forget I think oh no they

[00:10:35] had me as a career count I convinced them to put as a career counselor then even though my full-time job was working at Blue Cross Blue Shield like right before I quit but uh Laurel for my season

[00:10:48] also was like a health consultant so they wanted her to have that title so um I was kind of like leading the witness to the career I wanted to have so I got them to fill that out but

[00:10:57] so tell me how you decided to go into the public health sphere coming out of environmental science like what were your passions leading you that way okay well let me go all the way back to before

[00:11:10] environmental science because okay I went to Tuskegee University which is a very well known HBCU and the uh area that they're most known for is veterinary medicine so yeah so in high

[00:11:24] school or excuse me in my younger days in South Carolina I wanted to become a veterinarian um I had a passion for animals you know I love animals my little huskies right there looking at me right

[00:11:36] now um but I optioned as a wildlife veterinary medicine uh excuse me animal science major which was a program that had about three students in it and because they had about

[00:11:50] three students in it they dropped the program and yeah and in order to get out of school on time the closest thing to it was environmental science so I'm like okay you know what if I want to go

[00:12:03] to I gotta go to vet school anyway if I want to go to vet so I have those credits so uh what I did was after environmental science I worked as a vet tech for a little bit love and I was great

[00:12:20] I loved it I was but I was not making what I wanted to be making to become an animal school I have no doubt that you were great at it um were you working with like cats and dogs vet

[00:12:33] yes I was working at Banfield which is a chain veterinary uh field with pet smart um yeah and I was you know I was and I uh even dubbed myself the EHS manager at the hospital so I think that

[00:12:48] was in me trying to figure out you know like I want to be able to use my degree so I'm gonna call myself the EHS manager I used to post these PowerPoint presentations for the team and everything

[00:12:57] but I mean it was something to look good on my resume for what was to come for sure for sure I love that creating space for where you want to go uh where you already are yes so um so yeah

[00:13:10] so I I worked in that for a while um and then this opportunity was presented to me at Tuskegee my alma mater um for the new public health program that they had and so I did my research my father was

[00:13:25] a big fan of it mother was a big fan of it and I did my research and I was like you know what I would love to still be involved with animals um but I think that this is a route that

[00:13:38] I wouldn't much rather go than to be in school for four more years okay so I kind of opted into doing public health and I was I was just great I was a great I was a star student um I was just

[00:13:52] great at it and then it was actually in the school of veterinary medicine so it's kind of like I wasn't in that school I just wasn't becoming a doctor okay oh uh how interesting yes I love

[00:14:04] that crossover yes yes yes um and so yeah I kind of just um the premier place that people want to work in this in public health is the center for disease control and I remember my freaking one of my

[00:14:19] professors who was like what do you want to do with public health and I was like I want to work for the CDC which I'm sure they hate hearing they wanted me to be like I want to be a community

[00:14:30] organizer and do this and this and that and those are things that we can do at the CDC and he was like no you'll never be able to do that I'm like okay well watch me work yes have you talked to that

[00:14:41] professor have you ever gone back to that professor and he's a big fan now of course the driver and me actually getting on with the CDC so if you try to bring that conversation up to

[00:14:53] him he'll he'll claim it never had he doesn't remember that exactly like the memory there um but yeah uh public health is it's just a strong feel I you know I'm very passionate about minority

[00:15:08] health and bridging the gap and all of those things so I really felt like it was something that I could do some good in um I don't know I used to call it a passion I guess I can you

[00:15:21] have more than one passion tell me a thousand percent okay okay okay I should get as a passionate it's a yeah I always say that to say I have other passions and I don't know if I want to work with

[00:15:35] public health for the rest of my life um but it will help fund my dreams so yeah well um I can't help be me being the mph person that I was I can't help but ask what was it like to work at the CDC

[00:15:53] during the pandemic okay well thankfully I was well I don't know if I should say thankfully but I wasn't working directly with anything COVID related so it wasn't as stressful as other occupations probably were uh but it was stressful in the means that because people know

[00:16:17] Davey works for the CDC he's getting text messages and calls and tweets and everything and I'm like god I don't do that like a pandemic is not my department this is not my department right so I

[00:16:32] would direct them to the website and and I'd be their cousin at the CDC and I'm like okay guys you give me a big shoes to fill but um all in all you know 2020 and and everything around that was not

[00:16:47] the best year we will remember it for decades yeah so you know having to deal with all of the violence and then all of the COVID all the protests and all the medical stuff um it was rough I will say

[00:17:04] but I think that I would have much read or dealt with that uh working from home working in the office so I guess it was a bit of a gift and occurs because now it seems like telework as I said before

[00:17:19] it is the culture and we're able to get things done just as if we were in office um but you know and no sugarcoating it 2020 and above was some BS yeah yeah and in so many ways and it's changed

[00:17:36] all of us and trying to find the ways that it's changed us for the better um remote work one of them for many of us right um but also just the way that we see see the world do you feel like

[00:17:50] um like socially as far as being out and doing things because you do out which we'll get to but do you feel like you're back to like pre-pandemic amount of socializing or like it will never go

[00:18:03] back to what it was before um okay so one thing I used to say at tribal all the time and Gabby jokes on me because I literally would say it hoping that it would make air

[00:18:15] and it never did um is that I am an extrovert in my actual life but when I'm around these freaking reality people I feel like I'm an introvert because everyone has these big personalities

[00:18:28] so I say that to say yes I'm back to my usual uh social butterfly activities you know that's so I love that like in the world scale of introvert to extrovert like you feel

[00:18:41] like you're what like a nine not a 10 or something on the big scale and then in the survivor world what on the survivor world of extroversion what number are you the number right I was really

[00:18:52] about a three or a four right can you relate I can yes very much so like um in my personal life with friends and stuff I often find myself being the one who gets everybody together or

[00:19:08] makes the plans reaches out and does all that stuff and then sometimes with the survivor stuff I just look and see how everyone's at events and doing that stuff all the time I'm like

[00:19:18] it's Wednesday like how are you there it's Wednesday I'm a bit envious of having that much energy to keep up with everybody to be honest right you know and that's one of the also

[00:19:30] good things about teleworking I have been able to go to some of these Wednesdays Wednesdays because of that so it's like the gift then occurs of the pandemic but hey here we are

[00:19:40] I've seen you I've seen you around uh getting around to the parties so it looks fun it looks fun so I want to rewind back all the way back even more so before high school and college but

[00:19:54] like what was little Davey like this extroverted person this what were you like when you were younger you know what when I was younger so I am the middle child of three boys in South Carolina Orangeburg is the city where I'm from it's predominantly Blacks town

[00:20:18] in the country is what we call it so you kind of had to make your own fun there I was very outdoorsy but believe it or not I wasn't really a sports guy so like my dad would have to

[00:20:32] drag me out of the house to do some type of outdoors activity when it comes to sports but if it came to me exploring in the woods or you know setting deer trap and things like that

[00:20:42] then I would be out there doing it now I don't mean setting deer traps like human deer me my brothers would dig holes and set traps just to see if the deer's messed with the wild

[00:20:53] okay all right the deer tracking system rather than a deer trap okay okay yeah there we go that's but yeah I was I was that kid that was always you lived like I live in the country I'm at my

[00:21:06] parents house now I live in the country to like a small town is that what you live near a small town or in the country to a bigger town yeah more of a small town not like out in the acres

[00:21:15] where there's a farm and everything but I lived in a neighborhood with other houses but I wasn't the only house there but the small town was about 15 minutes ago yeah okay okay I'm

[00:21:26] just trying to get a picture of what in the country means maybe a real a real farm girl here trying to make sure okay okay okay um but yeah me and my brothers were uh we had every pet that you could

[00:21:39] have thought of we had dogs we had cats we had rabbits we had parakeets we had um goat fish we had it all so I think that's where my love for animals came from with like

[00:21:49] I said you gotta come over with your own fun out here um but I think the thing that really shaped me as the toddler was media and entertainment and I say that to say uh that was probably my origin

[00:22:04] story of becoming a nerd or becoming a blurb because we had the freaking what was the first system I had super nintendo quote unquote nintin bro um oh so our first also my first system here

[00:22:18] yes yeah and yes and then now are you on my channel I have a brother who's four years older than me so it was actually his super nintendo okay okay okay um you'll appreciate this story my brother was four

[00:22:32] years older all I ever wanted to do was play with him how much older is your older brother we're all four years apart okay so you know what the what that feeling is and I just wanted to play

[00:22:42] king gryffie jr baseball so bad and my brother would pretend that my my cord was plugged in and like I was smart enough to know that my cord was not plugged in but I didn't want him to know that I knew

[00:22:59] so he would just let me be the computer team that's what I wanted to play super nintendo that is adorable was your was your brother holding out from you or you got to play equally or how did

[00:23:15] that go I think because I was the middle and we had a younger brother we probably did most of that to him okay all right yeah he's with me the youngest yeah but he's finally kind of a brother

[00:23:27] a little bit um but yeah having brothers and having a video game system I don't want to say it became a big thing but it was something that we could do and of course my mother made the rule where we

[00:23:41] could only play on the weekends and not the weekdays if you have that rule I you know I don't remember what the what rule is coming to my mind is like 30 minutes we okay okay okay yeah which is very

[00:23:54] short yeah if I play video games now 30 minutes like you're not getting anywhere so yeah so yeah my brothers um we kind of just adopted that well I don't you know what I don't

[00:24:07] know if I want to put the nerd culture on them they have fun doing it but it was kind of more of a lifestyle for me you know playing those video games uh really getting into cartoons was a

[00:24:18] thing for me it's my boy invaders them up there uh really getting into comic book movies excuse me comic book cartoons we didn't have no comic book movies back then but I kind of just

[00:24:30] really love that entertainment even when it came to uh reading books I was a big animorphs thing do you remember animorphs oh my gosh yes I haven't thought of the

[00:24:42] animorphs for like I mean maybe since childhood but it is ringing a bell yes oh my guys let me tell you how much of a nerd I was like I created these identification cards for my five friends in

[00:24:56] school that were also animorphs fans and I put their names and I made each of us one of the characters and I gave them out one day that's how big of a nerd I am I won't say well in front

[00:25:07] of all of it you you were in charge but you did have your friends that's what I was going to ask you if you had your group of friends who you were doing this nerdy life with or if

[00:25:17] it was something you felt like you had to hide at home or what was that like you know what I didn't think I had a core group of friends until I hate high school I think I was

[00:25:30] kind of just wavering with who was into what at the time and I'll be you know I guess doing my social butterflies now I wasn't always a social butterfly okay um public school black public

[00:25:46] school I'll even say is sometimes a little nerve-wracking because people will joke on you for me uh I mean I'm sure that happens everywhere but to be a young black kid and be into uh anime cartoons drawing doodling that wasn't something that was particularly cool wasn't the cool

[00:26:10] group quote unquote back then okay yes so I couldn't really I mean I could have but I didn't really do these things out loud I won't say they were in secret but it's not to the level that I'm doing

[00:26:25] it now and I'll speak about how Survivor helped me do that um yeah I'm speaking about that now you know please how did how so you're saying that uh Survivor contributed to your ability to

[00:26:41] live out loud as more of a nerd yes I'll leave impotent it and calling it blurred out loud okay so blurred out loud okay cool and how did Survivor change that so uh you know I like

[00:26:58] I said I I'm I'm a I'm a cool ass dude uh I'm in I'm in one of those fraternities where we're kind of pretty boys and we care about how we look and we're stylish and stuff like that so

[00:27:10] you don't really see a lot of geeky people in these types of organizations um and I kind of would cater my social media to to that type of lifestyle but here and there I would post a

[00:27:23] Halloween picture or a walking dead picture here and there but when I got on Survivor and I will accredit it to me being a blur that's what they were when they when those casting producers

[00:27:36] heard me say that in the room you can kind of just see something in their eyes and I was like yeah I got this yes they I am showing them that they need me they didn't even know existed

[00:27:47] and yeah yeah I need it for them yeah exactly yes I'm an anomaly and they want me and so when I got on the show and you know I I instead of few nerd things here and there but the reception

[00:28:00] that I got back from Twitter and and all of the institute and everything was like what people like this people like that I like this stuff and not even just people who are also into it

[00:28:13] but my friends are okay with me being able to be in this stuff and being able to do it I'm like okay maybe I'll give it a shot for a little while and so um I was I immediately while I had that

[00:28:28] you know spotlight on me I'm posting old pictures of me at Common Con and getting good reception from it and I'm like wow I can really go somewhere with this and I can really you know

[00:28:39] learn out lots of things so here we are I first of all I feel in like I've watched you for a long time and we've met but we haven't spent a ton of time together we've met met at large events

[00:28:59] and I'm just always a bit envious of how much fun and like living out loud as you're saying that you get to do in this world um does it feel like like playing I'm afraid I don't want to use

[00:29:18] offensive terms against cosplay world because I don't know I don't know how to say you guys don't call the dress up okay just not dress but cosplay works right yeah okay so when you have these events

[00:29:33] and you're getting ready and you're doing doing cosplay yeah okay um is it feel like you're a kid again or does it feel completely different in a new way of adventure wow I love this question

[00:29:48] um I always feel like it's a promise to my younger self um you know allowing him to live vicariously through the adult me um so it's a different experience only because I'm an adult now

[00:30:07] I've got money I can do things that I want to do um but it is in a childlike manner uh now we're not one of those ones we're not one of those heavy nerds that you'll see in character of

[00:30:20] battling in the halls okay but there is a bit of nerdiness to it when you see a freaking Pikachu Pikachu walk by you in a comic con you can't help but nerd out by that you know

[00:30:33] a constant a constant promise a constant uh uh uh what's the word I'm looking for um just giving my younger self that constant bit of gratitude that reassurance for exposing me to this

[00:30:49] and now I'm here to fully enjoy it the way that I've reached oh that's so cool I um it was was a couple months ago now it was just like a random sunday I woke up and turned to my husband

[00:31:02] and I was like I want to go get a Nintendo switch today because I haven't had ever as an adult I've never had a system and we just like okay let's go like we went in the car we went to looked on

[00:31:14] Walmart which nearby store had one in stock we just like went and bought it and came home and we were like 10 year old us would have literally died if we knew we could just wake up one day

[00:31:25] say we want a Nintendo and go get it without having to ask or wait or do anything so what is something that you splurged on recently if you feel comfortable sharing that felt like oh yeah little

[00:31:39] Davey I got you look at what I just did what's something cool you invested in okay so um and this will help me talk about my social media a little bit so um there's so many different

[00:31:50] social media channels but you know one that's really slept on um that was popular one time snapchat snapchat is becoming a new hub now because you've got the drama with TikTok you've got Instagram they've taken the money money away so snapchat is trying to compete and in

[00:32:09] that competitiveness they have this thing called challenges where you can win up to $5,000 $10,000 weekly just by competing as a creator so keep that hush hush well I'm on a podcast now so

[00:32:27] do you want me to do you want me to rewind that no no no no anyone can take care of I'm of course to be with right you're still gonna win you're still gonna win don't worry

[00:32:35] go ahead competition so I don't know if you saw me on st Patrick's day or saw my Instagram but I had cosplayed a not really a leprechaun but it looked like a leprechaun because I was wearing

[00:32:48] all green okay so I was the character from this Christmas movie called Jingle Jango and um I was a character that Key and Peele was but it looked so much like a leprechaun I was like you know what

[00:33:00] I'll just go out and go play in Patrick's day and be a leprechaun because that's what people are gonna think I am so I recorded that whole thing of how I painted the hat um how I stitched up the

[00:33:12] jacket and you know my creation process and I didn't know that it would be a challenge for later down the line but it's good to have that stuff in your phone and so I submitted it when

[00:33:25] I saw the challenge the challenge was just wearing green I was like okay I got this yeah I'm good green right right right so I submitted a little 15 second video um and you

[00:33:37] know I'm just testing Snapchat out at this point you know someone had told me about it and well but I won $2,000 off of that I'm like what okay so I say y'all that to say my

[00:33:49] big splurge moment was buying a $1,000 an icon camera and I was like whoa I mean right right I mean and you know we've had a lot of some money before because we were

[00:34:01] on the cover but like to have that from Snapchat and to just be able to buy it like that yeah my younger self would have never been able to just have something like that believe believe in that moment to like be winning something winning the competition

[00:34:18] that you've made this whole thing and then turning that into buying a cool toy so why did you want a fancy camera not just using your phone what are you using that for

[00:34:32] yes so I'm you know what another thing with Survivor is and I kind of touched on this already but just stepping into myself as a creator um I've learned that you can and it's not even

[00:34:46] really about making profit off of it um but I've learned that I'm good at doing that um I'm able to monetize on Instagram Facebook Twitter and Snapchat and you know what that this may be

[00:35:00] something that is a passion of mine yes and it has been right yes and maybe it can take me somewhere maybe it can help me uh build something um that will help me down the line

[00:35:14] so I bought that camera because my iPhone even with the cosplaying um I did a walk-in-day cosplay at DreamHack which is video game conference and I had the right idea to throw guts on myself

[00:35:31] like real actual I made guts and I I had my friends throw them on me I'm gonna have to post a video about this as in like green guts or like no like like literal guts like I got corn

[00:35:44] syrup I got jelly I got powder I mixed it all up and I just had them throwing it throw it at me I don't know if you've seen the zombie shows but it looks like I was in a zombie apocalypse

[00:35:58] okay cool you pulled it off but what happened to this phone of yours and so and so in all of my nerd glory I didn't realize that the jelly himself was gonna get in my screen and get

[00:36:11] him my phone and everything and mess up my phone and so my phone is workable right now but sometimes it's kind of hard to hear and kind of do stuff I'm like you know what I got this

[00:36:23] got this lump sum of money let me go ahead and invest in a real creator's camera so that I can like I said you know even with Survivor you wouldn't um with with

[00:36:33] going to the casting call I was being lazy and I until I got serious about it it made a take that's when they called me so the camera is me being serious and making my tape and who knows

[00:36:44] what it means who knows who knows but it's certainly easy to see how magnetic you are as a person and how approachable I think that is probably an approachable I mean in a way of like

[00:37:00] you are having so much fun and you like watching you have so much fun makes at least me feel like I could just walk into your world and that I could have fun too and like maybe I could dress up maybe

[00:37:14] I'm sorry maybe I could do maybe I could become a different you know a creature or a character or whatever and so I think that is what's magnetic about you is it doesn't feel some people you see

[00:37:32] people on social media and you're like oh I could never be like that which is not the kind of people who I personally like to follow right um I like to follow people that are doing things that feel

[00:37:45] within reach and challenge me to get out of my own box a little bit and that's how I feel when I'm stalking you from my couch at home thank you so much you you so I told Gabby after I got out of

[00:37:59] survivor no excuse me Gabby told me at ponderosa I don't know she was just observing me I don't know what the hell I was doing I was probably playing a video game or or something and she was

[00:38:09] like I've never met anyone like you and it really warmed my heart so you hearing you say that as you're up there you're up there with that Gabby compliment now you're that's top thank you so

[00:38:24] oh well I meant it from the heart so I'm glad that it touched you okay so one of the recent events that you went to was the spider-man movie what is what was that what event was that

[00:38:38] what was going on okay okay um and again I'm gonna give survivors some credit so after survivor I was reached out to a magazine here in Atlanta called Jezebel magazine they do

[00:38:53] lifestyle content um home improvement content thanks for that nature and they featured me as one of the most eligible bachelors of Atlanta yeah don't doubt it you know but they only knew who I was

[00:39:08] because of the virus so so because of the networking that I did there um you know they fell in love with me of course of course of course so now they invite me to these cool event when they saw

[00:39:22] that my niche quote unquote and you know the niche is what you focus your social media presence on when they saw that my niche is kind of you know swab not lifestyle with a hint of nerd

[00:39:34] they were like okay we love you so they invite me to these nerd premieres I'm like oh my gosh this is this is what I want to do you know it's the best of everything lifestyle and nerd stuff um and so

[00:39:47] they invited me to the spider-man premiere and believe it or not I did not have a spider-man costume before um I'll say this for the spider-man fans listening spider-man and

[00:39:59] is sometimes a bit of a cult yeah like they go heavy with their fandom and sometimes you know I I didn't think I really wanted to be a part of that but since you know they invited me I couldn't

[00:40:13] just go up in in my regular super tie I had to be a part of it because I was manifesting a picture with these so right oh yeah all right so this is the plan you get the invite from

[00:40:25] Jezebel you are because of some weird spider-man thing you have to dress up in an actual outfit and here you are deciding what you're gonna wear yeah then what happens so um so they told me who

[00:40:39] was hosting they said issa ray was hosting two chains was hosting who's a i'm his one of my favorite rappers metro boom and was hosting and I'm like okay man this is one of those things where

[00:40:51] if I show up in a suit no one's gonna notice me because everyone's gonna be in a suit I have to wear a spider-man costume so I got the costume um I get to the theater I reach out to

[00:41:02] another organization here in Atlanta who has provided me with a videographer of my own um because they want to collab because I had you know they always give me these plus ones or plus twos

[00:41:12] and I always try to leverage that uh you know thinking like a creator um to collaborate to grow my following and to get good but I didn't even bring my camera right yeah yeah exactly

[00:41:25] I brought him and um he was capturing the moments uh and I was like well if he's capturing the moments I guess I don't really have to be here I can meet Issa after the movie so she wasn't there

[00:41:37] yet so I go and get my seat because I didn't want to you know I'm an error I want to enjoy the movie and I can't miss the show yeah yeah so um so they bring issa ray in they bring two chains

[00:41:50] in they're hosting she does her little talk and then she leaves and I didn't even think about it of course Issa has seen the movie already she's not gonna stay before on whole another showing

[00:42:05] so where I messed up is I should have stayed out there in the lobby so that I could get a picture with her but you know even still just being in a room with these of these excellent

[00:42:16] people that I admire that are creators themselves uh that's always a push forward for where I want to be and I don't even know what direction I want to go to get there but I feel like I'm on the right path

[00:42:29] and I'm in with those big things you know yes yes go and like taking the step forward not just like you weren't um just an audience member not there's anything wrong with being an audience

[00:42:42] member but like you can see yourself stepping towards and having these opportunities and getting closer and closer and watching and saying okay what this person does I love that I want to be more

[00:42:53] like that and what this person just did I don't want to be like that so much so you're getting closer and closer to that yes and probably center passion within you would be my guess yeah

[00:43:04] and then again that's a testament to the same story I've told you again going to that casting call not being serious and just hoping that it will work out no you have to live with intent so

[00:43:16] purchasing that camera um making that tape purchasing the spider-man suit that is intention and hopefully that will lead me to where I'm heading yeah I love that um so when you're talking about casting and going to that casting call you have had some recent stuff

[00:43:39] going on in your life because it does sound like you're spending time focusing on your work at the CDC you're an influencer you're doing things in the Atlanta community but there is still options sometimes for going on tv is that something that you're still interested in or

[00:43:55] something you've laid to the side um I'm gonna give it a hard yes give it a hard yes right yes um man I freaking love reality tv I felt like I was good at it

[00:44:06] and not just good at playing survivor but I felt like I was a good personality on screen I feel like there hadn't been a lot of people like me before on screen and I got great response from it

[00:44:17] and I got a great following from it and me being a creator now I could see how going on tv again has continued to help me grow that um and I know sometimes fans don't like to hear oh

[00:44:31] they're going on there just to grow their following and stuff but I'm like guys we are we're real people man we we got to make a living you know we are we are not gonna help us do that

[00:44:41] yeah if you're listening come on Jeff he's probably not listening but if in the event that he does come on and the only correction I would make to what you just say is you are good at being on

[00:44:53] reality tv you were great thank you at being on survivor and being yourself thank you as something that we all loved to watch so that's only correction I would make to what you said just

[00:45:09] to you know rudely correct you while you're on on this show here so is there anything specific that you want to share about the journey and the the difficulties or fun parts of like going through casting getting guesses getting knows that that has been for you since survivor

[00:45:32] because we I've talked with the other people a lot about what their experience was like going through survivor casting but I haven't talked about with anyone what it's like to get and know

[00:45:41] yeah because we all got yes this first survivor right um you know what for the people for the fans listening who have applied to survivor and will sit there by their phone or sit by their

[00:45:53] emails and wait for a response it is nothing compared to when you're in the circle and you're doing that again and hoping to get that response because you know you're good you know is what

[00:46:08] will be trans uh uh uh transcribed great on television but you can't figure out why it wouldn't happen for you um and and I will just stop speaking codedly but um I was I've been

[00:46:24] in the running for a number of different reality tv shows since the survivor um I was in the running for the challenge on MTV uh I was in the running for plenty of dating shows that I never really

[00:46:36] took seriously because they don't even pay them well but you're not doing it for the money but hey you're supposed to do it for love Davey go embarrass yourself for love okay

[00:46:50] right um but the most recent one which was a bit of an upset was I was in the talks to do the challenge USA um that has just found they were at their back now um and you know

[00:47:06] you go through a bit of uh ups and downs when it comes to casting because they'll call you and they make it seem like they really need you they really want you nothing's gonna roll along and then

[00:47:22] you might get ghosted or you might reach out to them and they short answer you um and then and then it's weird so it's like huh you're going from zero to 100 so um I yeah I was in talks to be

[00:47:36] on that show uh all the way up until getting to the to go on whatever it was and then they cut me and it was it was not a great feeling because you know I had already it's like they don't even

[00:47:51] think about the things that you prepare for like I had already had my mother who was in with me to watch my dog I had already you know had my uh build become automatic so that all of that stuff

[00:48:05] would be taken care of and but and you just gotta tell yourself you know and it sucks that you gotta tell yourself this but I guess that's Hollywood you know I guess you just gotta roll with the

[00:48:16] punches then if it happens it happens if it don't there's nothing bigger around the corner right yeah trusting in the idea of like the right things will come on your plate and like how much

[00:48:30] actually being on survivor does feel like in retrospect for a lot of us that it was the step that was within an alignment or was in alignment with our path but understanding

[00:48:42] that the nose are just as much as a part of our path as the yeses are is so much harder I and I can't imagine what that's like that you were far enough along the line

[00:48:51] where you've made living arrangements that all that stuff is going on and you know what that is really shitty people out there who are in casting like it would not hurt I don't think the final

[00:49:02] product of the show to treat the people who are going through the process with with respect and understanding that we all have lives outside of that like we aren't just all sitting around

[00:49:14] waiting for that call so if anyone happens to be listening take care of your people a little bit better but also understanding I'll say it that it's not that you didn't do enough or that you

[00:49:30] aren't enough that you did anything wrong like you did to get that far along in the journey you've done everything right and then it's a million little switches and something happened

[00:49:42] where they switch one on and switch one off and you're out I know someone pretty closely who is an alternate for survivor and they didn't make it and so they had to go out there they do the whole

[00:50:03] thing you do all the press and everything we didn't have alternates out with us did you? Oh wow well I was the alternate you were? Yeah I was um I was the alternate. Sorry if everyone

[00:50:15] else knew this and I'm the late late to the bus yeah yeah I was the alternate but not in a sense that your friend was like they didn't fly me out with them they flew me out to save them

[00:50:26] because they had to get rid of the one guy who I replaced maybe I did know that and had forgotten since then yeah yeah yeah because I replaced three sunna so you have been through the experience of being on hold for that too? Yeah I was like

[00:50:43] let it be come on man maybe it's gonna happen again so of course I'm holding out of but hey yeah um but I mean if I had gone I would not have been able to grow the following that I have

[00:50:55] on snapchat to win these challenges now so there's always you know there's the right time and maybe you can help me with this I don't know if it's a syndrome or a what do you call it when

[00:51:08] you have that feeling that you're not doing enough there's a phrase for it like imposter syndrome? Imposter syndrome thank you Callan okay what are you imposter syndromeing about you know just still

[00:51:22] being on that uh wave of thinking about you know how I was cut and there's a lot of times where you will feel like you're not doing enough as a reality person and you'll see these other your

[00:51:35] friends your peers people who are in the spotlight with you are able to move forward and do that stuff so sometimes it's rough to do that thing to go through it but I find that and and I'm so

[00:51:49] thankful for you for asking me again to do this because I find that doing things like this and talking about it I mean I'm sure therapy's good too but who needs therapy when you have

[00:52:02] podcasts exactly but doing podcasts and things like this and talking to other people who may not maybe not have been through the exact same situation but can definitely be in the room with

[00:52:16] you and understand really helps so I just want to and I guess that sounds like more of a closing than anything but just wanted to really thank you for inviting me because that just even just knowing

[00:52:28] right right then that was that was very helpful yeah oh you're welcome just so everyone knows I I asked Davey nicely the first time if he would come be a guest and then I asked less nicely

[00:52:40] the second time thank you for being frank I think I was still nice but I would I turn more into like begging mode potentially so but I got you here and I'm so thankful and I cannot believe

[00:52:55] that I cannot believe it has been an hour I'm telling you it feels like I've been talking to you for 10 minutes um I mean it's so crazy to me because I hate talking on the phone

[00:53:04] so I'm like what how am I doing this one hour but hey you are you're here and you're stuck with me for at least 10 more minutes here through our rapid fire questions so are you ready

[00:53:16] let's get it okay so how many times did you apply for survivor I apply if you don't count the open casting call I applied for survivor one time one time awesome uh the three words to describe

[00:53:32] you on your CBS bio were uncommon adventurous and calculating would you like to make any changes I would absolutely not like to make any changes I love that those were my three words and I think

[00:53:47] I took those questions too seriously because seeing some of the other answers people were just like one word answers and here and there but yeah that's definitely me those are my those are your

[00:53:58] three I thought so too when I read them I was like I don't think he'll be making any changes so what was the hardest part of the survivor experience like as in from the day you went to

[00:54:08] that casting call all the way to today what was the hardest part and what was the best part okay my hardest part is going to be physically um the one thing that I hated about being out there

[00:54:23] on the island was something that I didn't even know happened to the human body chafing I did not know I'm sure as a baby I had been through it but I was given a rude awakening and reminder on the islands

[00:54:42] of Fiji and yeah Joe or whoever the doctor was back then thankfully he was able to give us something to treat it but that was oh my god it was back there oh my gosh I'm so sorry I'm so sorry that

[00:54:56] happened to you um best thing about the experience uh it's gonna sound so cliche I'm not gonna say getting the CEO award I'm not gonna say making the final six but catching it up it was the first day

[00:55:12] of the show is I can't I it's you for I can't it's nothing better than that for me I'm sorry yeah it's me being the great outdoors guy the great explorer that I am that was just hog him

[00:55:25] so cool plus probably some of the best eating you did the whole time yes yes yeah wow nobody else wanted to try to catch it or try to eat it try to eat it well we

[00:55:37] it had rained a lot so we can make fire so we had to eat it wrong oh sushi little sushi yeah it's not I bet it was delicious it was oh those are fun ones those are both things that people

[00:55:50] haven't said before um okay if you could go back and give yourself one piece of advice on day one of the game what would it be it would be to be myself not just in the confessional um I was able

[00:56:04] to be my full self in the confessionals and after the show my castmates were like oh my god why didn't you give us that baby around camp and it wasn't it was a little bit of a culture

[00:56:18] shock because you know this is my first time really mass being around people outside of my race so I think that that was it a little bit um but knowing these people now they wouldn't give a

[00:56:31] shit about that anyway so I should have just I should have just been that authentic self and not been that authentic self because it would have got me further in the game but maybe I would have

[00:56:40] you know made some stronger bonds with some of the goliaths I've made super strong bonds with you know some of the goliaths and all of the davids but there were a few goliaths that I probably

[00:56:51] could have had uh you know some stronger relationships with had I been that mean that I am do you think that the diversity campaign would create a space for people to not necessarily

[00:57:08] feel like that as much or not necessarily yes no 100 which is a reason that I would love to play again which is the reason you probably wouldn't hear but I would love the

[00:57:20] opportunity I envy these diversity players because they get to be that authentic self they don't have to get they don't have to feel in their mind that they might be alienated if they did because

[00:57:33] that's not the case it's 5050 um which is why I would love to go out there and play in their returning season as a diver in the 5050 uh uh quota because I think that it not only would you

[00:57:48] know it be a great experience uh for the game wise but you know for myself wise I'd love to just be able to have that fair shot yeah absolutely and something that um RHAP has content about

[00:58:05] I know Wendell and Bryce have done uh panels for people to learn about diversity and survivor and let's just I'll just say it this way as a white woman on season 36 of Survivor I did not have to spend any time

[00:58:25] worrying about being white and going into the show what that did for me was allow me a lot of time and mental space to prepare for the game in other ways and that is why I had an

[00:58:39] advantage going into Survivor as a white woman at that time which is not an advantage that we want people to have because we want survivor to be fair and so when people are curious about

[00:58:54] the diversity campaign and why it's so important that is the opposite side of it and that is my experience which I admittedly um have learned a lot about since then and had the privilege of not even thinking about that going into it and recognizing that privilege now

[00:59:12] and trying to realize that in other places in the world in which maybe I get more mental space because I'm not having to create uh uh have thoughts and create space for that so just wanted to say that that is amazing and that is a blessing because

[00:59:28] you know I am able to I'm more accepting now of certain people because of this experience and seeing that people can grow in this type of way um I have friends that will say certain things about

[00:59:45] certain uh types of people but they can't feel it because they don't know people you know and that may sound a little uh scatterbrained but I just know that me having this experience

[01:00:00] and seeing people who are able to learn from experiences and speak to it publicly it really freaking goes a long way so thank you Dylan. Yes of course um I hope I spoke to it in a

[01:00:15] way that makes sense for somebody listening um so the part two question of this one is did you believe going into the game that you could win? Oh my gosh I believe that I could win

[01:00:31] but you know who didn't believe I could win production until until you know this I know they didn't think that I like I really legit think that they just called me out there to save

[01:00:44] the day because that guy got away but I'll tell you how I knew that I was they knew I was of course to be reckoned with because I found that first idol without the cameras around so they weren't even

[01:00:58] paying attention to me so wow once I found that idol and I'll go up to Brownie and I'm like hey um can I do a professional film? He's like we'll get to you I was like okay just I found an

[01:01:10] idol and I was like what? Yeah yeah you might want to take me seriously now bud. Yeah my mouth is hanging open by the way I mean you don't get any time away from the camera unless you say you're

[01:01:25] going to take a number one or number two right so um congratulations on I didn't know that I wonder if you've got shared it on the basis before. If you go back and watch full acting that's my

[01:01:36] Graham that's my Emmy right here I should have got an Emmy for it because that was all acting they put the idol back where it was they didn't even tell me where they put it I think they wanted to test

[01:01:46] to make sure I actually knew where it was and of course I did and I put on an amazing performance because no one even knew. No one even knew wow I'm gonna have to go going back and watching

[01:01:56] the seasons is not something I'm doing on purpose because I want to meet people where they are but I'm gonna have to go back and watch that. Wow wow I um other than survivor

[01:02:12] what's your favorite reality TV show? Oh man um I was a big fan of the real world way back when uh that I went to an open casting for that too had I made a tape I probably would have been on

[01:02:29] the real world probably would have been on the real world what was your favorite season of real world uh both of the vagus ones were great to me you know that's when I was a horny at a lesson and all of that

[01:02:42] I knew Orleans was my favorite season okay okay okay I think it was like the first seat other than watching survivor it was like the first season of reality tv that I watched

[01:02:51] and I just remember being like oh my gosh my eyes were bulging out of my head the whole time oh my gosh Netflix Netflix tried to recreate it with this show called 20 somethings and it didn't do

[01:03:03] great um and real world tried to do another one on facebook but it didn't work so I don't know I think I think real world's in our past it's in our past and all of you young listeners go check it

[01:03:15] out there's some I mean maybe not who knows yeah all right um okay where's your favorite place in the world that visitors could visitors that listeners could visit oh my gosh I was just

[01:03:28] talking about this and it's gonna sound so cliche now because it's in the states but sandy a go I freaking love sandy a go my best friend lives there Cara Angelina

[01:03:44] Alec lived there they always make sure I have the best time in the world I love and my best friend lives off the beach I don't know it had I not had family down south and you know

[01:03:56] not even with miss but I feel like they need me I probably would be living in San Diego because I love that it's a great city it's a really fun place that's a good one because people can

[01:04:08] people can access that um do you have a book that you've read that you really liked or something that has stuck with you all the way from childhood to recently yeah um it's in the other room

[01:04:22] but I am a big horror fanatic okay so the books that I do read which I probably should read a little more but as we all should right but they're horror books and they are Stephen King books so

[01:04:37] the shining the original shining book is just one of my favorites um of course animorphs I've got all of those in there too but yeah those horror books are those things that I just it's like you

[01:04:49] feel the most alive when you're afraid and um if you can make your imagination uh come up with something while you're reading then just imagine how alive you can be I'm scared I'm scared

[01:05:04] of scary movies I'm scared although 11 22 63 is a Stephen King book that I love but it's not a it's not a horror book but that one you can tolerate but um I'm envious of people who are brave

[01:05:16] enough to watch scary movies and read scary books if you think that's something one day with your husband go on YouTube and play scary video games that is horrifying no no someone else listening that's your homework yes listen to that go on YouTube and just put scary

[01:05:43] video games if you thank you if you think the scary movies of this day and age are not living up to what's to be look at for a video okay all right I will leave that to the listeners

[01:05:55] do you have a favorite podcast or a podcast episode that you makes you think um I like I said I didn't know a lot about the podcast world of pre-survivor but post-survivor you know I love listening to uh the post-show recaps all the time because they

[01:06:16] they cover shows that I like um there's also a podcast called um Black Men Can't Jump which is a movie uh podcast where they just um highlight uh black roads in Hollywood I like this is that one

[01:06:33] and yeah just those two but you know post-survivor recaps everyone though so yeah yeah no it's a good good suggestion um and are you a music guide do you have any songs on repeat on Spotify right

[01:06:48] now um I am a music guy I'm currently well excuse me I like music but I wouldn't kind of categorize myself as a music guy um but I'm currently listening to a spider-man soundtrack all right

[01:07:05] yes Metro Boomin um and Two Chains all of them are on it uh and it's just gosh you gotta go see this movie killing I don't know if you've seen the first one but it's like the music and the the

[01:07:19] animation just coincides so well so whenever I listen to this soundtrack I'm reminded of the movie so I've got to go see it again someday soon okay so what is the first one okay the first one

[01:07:31] is called okay because there's no no no that's a good question because there's so many spider-man right um now this this is the only animated spider-man um so it's called uh into the spider

[01:07:45] verse okay the second one is across the spider verse and the third will be beyond the spider so just think spider verse when you these are the spider verse one yes there we go yep that's

[01:07:58] I'm thinking the last um spider movie spider-man movie I saw was Toby McGuire okay okay that's yeah yeah Toby's good wait no I'm thinking about I'm thinking about Tom Holland oh my god

[01:08:13] Toby you mean the first spider man okay I didn't say watch the first one so I thought I had I love that well I'll just go ahead and spoil you they did one recently where they brought Toby

[01:08:29] back he gives me Tom and also Andrew who is the second spider man so that would be a cool one for you to watch I'm sure your husband might know but okay yeah I'll check in with him and see what

[01:08:40] I've been missing out on I have seen Tom Holland he looks so like I haven't seen the spider man movie but I've seen pictures of him on the on the internet so maybe maybe worth a watch I'll do it for you

[01:08:52] and then last but certainly not least people who have loved to hear what you're talking about what is going on I've seen you post about belt line a lot what is going on in your world where can

[01:09:02] people find you oh my gosh baby's doing so much these days um so I'm you guys can't see but I'm wearing a t-shirt that says belt line cosplay uh let me speak a bit about belt line so here in

[01:09:18] Atlanta there's this thing called the belt line where uh it tracks to a whole bunch of businesses bunch of stores and it's kind of in the city's club and what my organization how my organization

[01:09:32] was birthed was during the pandemic you know you couldn't do a lot of things indoors but you couldn't do things outdoors so what me and my friends did are they weren't even my friends did

[01:09:44] we just found a like-mindedness around cosplayers here in Atlanta and we started meeting up on the belt line because it's the central area um we started doing voting drives we started doing

[01:09:57] uh COVID tests things of that nature that can be done outdoors and it kind of just birthed it into an organization so we're an organization we do fun uh cosplay meetups we have one this Saturday

[01:10:12] which is uh what's working on back here um it's a fighters event where you can be a video game fighter you can be a wrestler and I'm gonna be mr. t so I'm standing right there I have a saving

[01:10:27] my head king I always do it so I'm saving my head I'm gonna be mr. g and I'm gonna walk around and say I'm gonna need to pull up a lot so it's gonna be kind of fun super cool yeah so follow so everyone

[01:10:39] listening go to instagram follow belt line cosplay and interact with us you know coming on the pictures you see something you like let us know so we know that we are doing things right now the next thing

[01:10:52] that I'm gonna talk about is what my name is centered here uh which is nintendo bro so I'm doing pretty good on the other social media platforms snapchat and tiktok are the areas that I'm kind of focused

[01:11:06] on growing right now I'm almost at 10k on 10s tiktok guys come on let's get in there follow me at nintendo bro I post cool nintendo spoofs and right now I'm posting a lot of spider man content um

[01:11:21] but it's basically nintendo but take out the d.o and put in the b.r.o and I trust you guys would not regret it is in this it's in the show notes for anyone who wants to click street okay and then

[01:11:34] it's also the same thing oh no no it's not the same thing on snapchat it's i snap day so I don't know and I remember rhap making fun of me uh during the cast release about my all of my social

[01:11:46] media names being different so let me just go down the line real quick let's go down the line let's hear it lay it out so I want instagram guys I am dating that's it I am dating on twitter I tweet

[01:11:58] dating okay on twitch I twitched a v and on snapchat I snap baby so it's not that hard it's not that hard it's so good ever they're just jealous that they weren't they were on me about my

[01:12:13] instagram handles too or my snowshoes handles so everybody relax and go follow datey super cool thank you thank you so much for being here with me and letting me steal time out of your super busy life and I will continue to follow your adventures and pretend

[01:12:34] like i'm coming along for the ride and the next time in atlanta I'm in atlanta I'm gonna make you take me along for the ride oh please ask gabby about that when she came to visit me

[01:12:42] most recently we had a blast so trust me you will have awesome awesome and if you make your way to either indiana or mayorka spain those are my two places you are more than welcome uh probably you

[01:12:54] might choose the spain location instead of indiana but you know you never know what people are excited to find out about so thanks again davie thank you so much for being here all right take care

[01:13:06] was that not just the most fun ever davie is so infectious and his joy and curiosity for the world is so contagious I thoroughly enjoyed that hour if you are a fan of road to reality

[01:13:24] please like follow share tag me i'll retweet i'll repost uh on anything good you have to say about road to reality it's been so fun to have you all along for this ride I can't believe

[01:13:39] we're running towards the end of season one limited series already it has been a blast thank you all for coming along on the ride and i'll see you next time I'd like to thank Rob Cisternino

[01:13:55] scott st pierre and the entire rjp crew for helping make this dream come true jillian goodheart is the editor tricky rice thank you for the artwork to all my guests thank you for your time

[01:14:06] honesty bravery and vulnerability i'm thankful from the bottom of my heart thank you to my dear friend from survivor ghost island jacob durwin for allowing us to use his songs mirror from Manhattan one of

[01:14:18] my favorite songs of all time and one I played on repeat for an entire year while I recovered from my own survivor journey to you the listeners who have made it this far thank you

[01:14:29] for giving me and these multifaceted guests time in your ears as our whole selves may each of your realities lead you down a road of peace joy community and a whole lot of adventure and now here's jacob durwin with mira from Manhattan her name is mira from Manhattan

[01:14:56] her name is jelsea from jelsea her name is crista from columbus it doesn't matter much to me now she's staring out the window she's turning on the night she takes a pen to her new novel and the airplane takes flight I never knew my never knew

[01:15:42] my never knew I never knew you you we're flying out to Dublin just to stop along the trail mira hops from there to paris I ride to belfast on the rail now she's cheering in the winery I'm staring at the sea her name is mira from Manhattan

[01:16:47] it doesn't matter much to me my never knew my never knew my never knew never knew you you making a podcast can you even believe it I can't