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[00:02:01] Survivor News Edition, Episode 376.

[00:02:04] What's up, Jeff?

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[00:02:45] I am back recording live in Texas, Dallas, Texas to be exact.

[00:02:51] And I'm glad to be joined this week with the baby boys Jack Atkins and Wendyzy.

[00:02:55] And we are talking all things from episode several.

[00:02:59] Okay, we are talking the challenge that looks familiar.

[00:03:03] Smite of solid in Kageon.

[00:03:05] We're talking about the two tribal councils.

[00:03:07] We're talking about the eliminations.

[00:03:10] It's getting good so much to talk about here.

[00:03:12] So listen, let's get into this week's Survivor News.

[00:03:43] And we're back covering Survivor Season 46, episode 7 with your Survivor News.

[00:03:49] We're super excited.

[00:03:51] An exciting episode.

[00:03:52] We're joined here by Survivor Season 43 James Jones.

[00:03:55] Welcome back to the podcast.

[00:03:56] How are you?

[00:03:57] Yo, I'm doing well.

[00:03:59] Excited to be here.

[00:04:01] I'm glad y'all recovered from a very well-viewed event in the tentative event

[00:04:06] yesterday in Dallas.

[00:04:08] In Ublea was Dallas.

[00:04:09] I was very sad not to be there, but it looked like it was a lot of fun.

[00:04:13] And happy to talk about this episode of Survivor.

[00:04:15] Yes, we're happy to have you.

[00:04:17] I think it's you have a lot of relevance to an episode like this episode.

[00:04:21] We have Jack Jones from Survivor from Survivor of the Circle Season 2.

[00:04:25] Jack, how are you?

[00:04:27] Jack Jones is in the building.

[00:04:30] Wow.

[00:04:32] Jack Jones.

[00:04:34] Yee-haw.

[00:04:36] And of course we've got Wendy Z, the winner of Ghost Island.

[00:04:39] A window welcome back.

[00:04:41] How is Dallas?

[00:04:43] It's great to be here in Dallas.

[00:04:45] Great city.

[00:04:46] Happy to be back on Survivor News.

[00:04:48] Let's go.

[00:04:49] Yes.

[00:04:50] Shout out to Dallas.

[00:04:51] We had a great time in Dallas.

[00:04:53] A great turnout.

[00:04:54] Everyone that showed up and showed out.

[00:04:56] It was an amazing time.

[00:04:58] And we had a great time.

[00:05:00] We had a great turnout.

[00:05:02] We definitely have to come back.

[00:05:04] It was a super fun and amazing episode to watch,

[00:05:06] especially in Dallas.

[00:05:08] So yeah, Jack, take it away with you guys for this episode.

[00:05:14] He's a jack.

[00:05:16] Jack look real sassy when he's like that.

[00:05:18] Like frozen Jack is real like he's like some takes.

[00:05:22] He looks like a meme or something.

[00:05:24] Yeah, frozen Jack is about to get some takes.

[00:05:26] He has attitude.

[00:05:27] He's focused.

[00:05:29] The cowboy hat is doing his thing.

[00:05:31] Man.

[00:05:33] What is he thinking right now?

[00:05:35] I don't know.

[00:05:36] I feel like he's thinking he's frozen.

[00:05:39] Jack is a mustard right now.

[00:05:41] Hello, I did.

[00:05:42] Yeah, you are back.

[00:05:44] I don't know why.

[00:05:46] So much happened in the episode.

[00:05:49] I froze up a little bit but.

[00:05:51] You're a little fuzzy though.

[00:05:54] This episode I mean man.

[00:05:56] Are you?

[00:05:58] Yeah, I mean what an episode.

[00:06:00] I'm sure Dallas was lively.

[00:06:02] I could go as far as say I think this might have been the best episode of the season.

[00:06:07] Some might even say the best episode of the new era.

[00:06:13] Who might say that?

[00:06:15] It rhymes with who.

[00:06:17] Is it a letter?

[00:06:20] It might be Q-U-E-U-E.

[00:06:25] Q.

[00:06:28] But yeah, it was a really fun episode and despite the fact that I personally am not a fan necessarily

[00:06:33] of these split tribals after the merge, it's still delivered.

[00:06:38] And things started off hot.

[00:06:40] We get back to camp after Mariah has been voted out and we have Venus immediately going to

[00:06:46] accuse Soda of being the one to vote for her and really kind of staunchly standing by this position.

[00:06:51] I believe she was even like nobody else would make sense for anybody else to vote for me,

[00:06:56] even though she was running up and down the beach saying Charlie's name all up.

[00:07:00] And I mean, what did we think about Venus coming back to camp with this attitude?

[00:07:08] It's Venus.

[00:07:11] She's playing her own game, you know, and you know, I think that's the thing that happens that we're

[00:07:17] able to see is that everybody out there is playing their own game in their own mind

[00:07:22] because you really can't trust each other.

[00:07:24] So trust what you're seeing out there.

[00:07:26] Like your point of view is the primary point of view.

[00:07:29] So if you feel like, you know, this is what you're viewing the game, you're going to act upon that whether

[00:07:35] you're right or wrong.

[00:07:37] That's where you sit back here on the couch in the edit pops in and you see okay about these situations how right was I how

[00:07:44] wrong was I like because the camera, the camp, what they show doesn't lie the context may be different but

[00:07:50] what you show you saying and what you show you thinking at the moment is what you were like saying and thinking at the moment.

[00:07:56] And whether that was right or not, you have to wait until you sit on the couch to see if your intuition is correct.

[00:08:01] And in this case this episode a lot of the intuitions were off a tad, you know, bit that's what I mean, but that's the game but they actually gave you an inside look at someone that may be on the bottom

[00:08:14] and they're playing the game and how the mindset looks for them. And maybe that's why they're on the bottom compared to somebody else who's looking at the game differently.

[00:08:22] I think her just opposed to Charlie is was really good this episode.

[00:08:25] But we'll get into that.

[00:08:27] But I also think I don't fault Venus because I feel like when you're on a tribe with someone and you stop communicating with them, and you don't really strategize with them.

[00:08:36] And sometimes time to actually strategize with them. You can't fault Venus for being not trusting of soda, but I don't agree with like the spectacle to make it in front of the camp and really kind of like display your cards of how fractured you guys actually are

[00:08:53] even though Venus kind of tells everyone but it was interesting.

[00:08:57] I think Venus is an.

[00:08:59] Oh go ahead.

[00:09:00] I think this is a.

[00:09:02] I just want to say I think she's a very interesting character and I am willing to bet.

[00:09:08] Almost anything that we will get some kind of a flashback or some kind of a montage to tell us where she comes from, and that will inform us about a lot of things and how she's been playing the game.

[00:09:21] Listen to the on fire podcast earlier today as I listen to all the pods you know, and Jeff just mentioned how like how she comes, like how she's like a big feminist and I believe she's.

[00:09:34] I believe her parents lived in Iran or something and she used to live there and like she fights for women's rights over there among other very noble causes that she fights for and I have I'm like this very young woman who's out here.

[00:09:50] And I guess in real life doesn't take no for an answer and fights and speaks up and speaks her mind, no matter what.

[00:09:59] Now she gets on this show, and you have a lot of older people kind of saying what to do and granted.

[00:10:04] When I looked at Venus's game I'm like I shouldn't do this says I you might want to your tone Oh you might want to you know but I don't know the path that she's walked you know so I'm willing to bet that we're going to see something

[00:10:18] that kind of like changes our perspective a little bit.

[00:10:21] So I agree with that but then also you're playing the game to get along with people right so what you've been through we all have been through things right.

[00:10:29] So like we all bring our own personal good stuff bad stuff to the table where when we're in the game.

[00:10:34] So like yes like you fighting for like that's great. However, when you have someone like Maria saying hey you're backing me into a corner.

[00:10:43] Yes, that's not like you can be feisty but I also comes down to communication I think those are two separate things.

[00:10:50] Now I don't I don't think there's a right and wrong way to play the game. So like the fact that she is there and see out if she's out lasting is right the way she's playing the game is right for her.

[00:11:00] You have to figure out was right for your game. I know I cannot play that type of game.

[00:11:04] You know and you have the luxury when you are younger you take advantage of things that you had if you're older like a Gabor you can act the Louvre you can act this with her being younger she can lean into being younger being lean into being exuberant lean in the saying.

[00:11:17] I did this oh I didn't know I'm bringing it back so we may not be seeing those feasible moments where people do like to take younger people under their wing to give them advice and stuff so there may be more stuff we're not seeing but you know just relating to people is across to the game no matter what where

[00:11:33] you come from. I think it's absolute I think it's an absolute necessity in the game. I think I think there are times you have to humble yourself. There are times you have to hold your tongue. This is a good winning strategy strategy generally speaking but I also think that depending on where

[00:11:48] you come from you might not have certain tools in your tool belt when like and in her case I just I just think she came out there to be this strong willed. I'm not listening to anybody. This is how I'm playing the game type of person and granted that might not get you votes at the end but that

[00:12:09] gets you to the end. But what's the difference in a Boston Rob the game play similar to Venus like he doesn't take no for an answer he kind of like go disagree I strong disagree.

[00:12:21] I feel like there are a lot of people that play that way although I don't always agree with her takes but like how many times I've played.

[00:12:30] I'm like four or five Rob was like this too though but I'm not one.

[00:12:35] I'm just saying when he is a factor of luck winner over there to and skill luck and skill right for sure nothing. So what I think we're trying to at least what I'm trying to articulate about being this game is is like

[00:12:50] from a like what you bring into the table is great like however your communication with people is still individual and what Boston Rob probably has or may have is that individual touch one on one that people may say oh this but one on one I have a great relationship

[00:13:06] I'm building these individual relationships.

[00:13:08] Here's the thing right where I agree right like I definitely think it's a communicational style but what I love about Venus is game is that like Venus is playing her game and like she talks to everyone. She's trying to rope everyone in to what her game is.

[00:13:21] And while it doesn't make sense as a viewer I love it because I feel like there are similar people on this season that are doing the same thing.

[00:13:28] And I think it makes it for interesting season like I think about your season James where a lot of people were scared to go against the grain and would just kind of like not make big moves.

[00:13:39] And here you have someone that although it might not be beneficial to your game, like Venus is going after it so as a viewer.

[00:13:47] So, I get you but I feel like, like people were trying to make big moves the question is like what it's kind of what you saw more with this episode is why they don't know what they're doing.

[00:13:57] What they're doing is why they don't happen like from a like how things meticulously control a vote where Maria and Charlie are like okay this and like so like you can like making the big move in trying to make stuff happen is good but the people in control.

[00:14:12] The person that made this will happen like Maria, like the Charlie's are making things happen a different way. So they're showing that person that's going around going yes yes like I'm trying to move and that's great.

[00:14:24] You know, but however was more effective is ex building actual relationships and having those relationships dictate.

[00:14:31] You know the gameplay where you are roping people in where people are afraid to get rid of you that you aren't the back of.

[00:14:38] I agree with you James we agree on that we agree it's about these interpersonal relationships.

[00:14:44] I think I think my stance is just like, we're looking at this woman who comes from this and from this walk of life of however old she is.

[00:14:54] And, and I think that's how I'm judging her in her game, right to piggyback on what you said, you said she's playing her game. She's making her moves.

[00:15:05] I think a really good player needs to keep in mind that you are playing your game and you want to rope these people in to your moves, but everyone should be as self centered like they're playing their games.

[00:15:19] So don't forget that just because they don't want to make this play with you. That's because according to their game.

[00:15:27] That's that's not in line with their game at the time. Well, I mean, and that's why I kind of love Venus's take because it's like if you not with me you against me and let's go so again I'm not saying that it's the best game wise but there is something that I can relate I'm

[00:15:45] not always right all the time and sometimes I only see things through my perspective and I think everybody's attacking me and I gotta go so it's like I, I think that it makes for good TV.

[00:15:56] And let Venus play a second time around.

[00:16:01] I feel like you know I feel like she could hone in and see a different perspective and I think you might have a serious problem on Planet Venus.

[00:16:10] Yeah, I think Venus's game instincts are actually pretty solid. I think every time she's on screen it's entertaining one way or another, but I have to agree with all of you guys in a sense that not gameplay is not great just because of her the way she relates to people in her interpersonal relationships.

[00:16:29] I mean we saw it with Maria kind of laid it out for this episode. I actually don't hate the Boston Rob confident sense where, even in all stars he played this really kind of aggressive game and that led to him losing to Amber despite him pulling the strings.

[00:16:44] Grants I think Boston Rob had a little bit better like interpersonal relationships.

[00:16:50] Right, I kind of want to ask a question here because Venus has been an extremely like, I guess, witty but sort of snarky and sassy player.

[00:17:00] You've seen other you know I guess snarky players really succeed in the new era like new era like jam jam jumps to mind. And during your season you showed sort of a combination of you had some strategy with Morgan and Alexis and Algette, but you were also not afraid to be a little bit snarky how do you think

[00:17:18] you know who's like sort of like Venus or like jam jam or like you can embrace that sassiness that snarkiness but also combined with strategy in an effective way that sort of like jam jam did that led him to victory versus Venus but I think it's really struggling right now.

[00:17:33] Again, I also think that's a part of the luck of the game and that's a great question Jack I think it's about again who you're with and who can receive it and who cannot receive it and again we see Venus.

[00:17:44] Again, we don't really know the story as to why Venus was other right like we just see them talking that she was a threat in this and that we know that her and so to work cool at one point in time and we don't know what has happened but I really think it's about the different players

[00:17:57] I think that jam jam was able to assimilate into with Carson with with Carolyn with all these other people they got it you know, with me.

[00:18:08] My sassiness was seen as like just an immediate threat like they didn't really look at Oh, it wasn't necessarily my game player and my strategy moves they just looked at like my sassiness as like, Oh, he's able to relate to people.

[00:18:22] So again, I just think it's really about the different people that are around and I think the more diverse we get with different people in different walks of life that have experienced other people and maybe having experienced other people because again I look at someone like Hunter and

[00:18:37] I love the fact that like, seven is hunters number one and like he's able to see hunter for the four person that he is.

[00:18:46] But again, I love to see these type of characters and I love the different style of gameplay some style of gameplay get you a million dollars.

[00:18:54] Others will will see where it lands.

[00:18:57] See your money to see a money.

[00:19:00] Again, some people are you playing for a million dollars some people are playing for the sea of money some people are playing for the Kelly Whitworth edit like you I don't know people's motives could be different.

[00:19:14] I do also think that you know, like a lot of people are playing like do play like Venus out there right is just depending on like is it going to be shown like is there time to be shown what else is going on in the episode that allows for that to be shown.

[00:19:28] And I think that vote on that beach was a lot more complicated where we got a lot more time with you know that first vote, then we did the second vote where I feel like it was kind of they may have they've tried to build some illusion up but I think

[00:19:42] like the young three were going to take someone out from Sega be you know, been or tell them regardless of whatever happened that was going to be what the move was so that's why we spent more time and we're seeing more times or how these votes, you know, formulate.

[00:19:56] So yeah, there's always someone that's out there trying to you know get some crazy stuff to happen.

[00:20:00] And the job is to try to keep the crazy stuff from happening if you're in power, and to make crazy stuff happen if you're not in power. And I think you're able to.

[00:20:09] And I think what Venus is doing which I know she's trying to do but people aren't necessarily threatened threatened by her.

[00:20:15] You know at this present moment, you know in the early merge and they're taking. So she's a potential swing vote but because you're not threatened because you so outgoing and this may be something you want to hit me do the people that people didn't know where

[00:20:28] you were coming from the Mariah. Oh, I don't know. I don't people can read where she was coming from this so the so to where you like so many different conversations I don't know where you're coming from you know those people are the people that you know got eliminated

[00:20:43] because they were more of a threat as opposed to a Venus. So I think that maybe something people want to take into account where if you do make yourself known to kind of what you're standing for what type of came you're trying to play, as opposed to

[00:20:55] what you are on the bottom of these alliances, you can get through maybe get through this early mid merge and do make some hay when the numbers start going down. So yeah, yeah it's interesting in Venus's case at this point she's sort of staying because her

[00:21:09] gameplay is so messy people are like okay the devil we know we'd rather keep her around than the devil that we don't what does that say though.

[00:21:18] I mean, I feel like it's a part of luck and it's a part of.

[00:21:24] It's the people you with and what they view as threatening and what you was not burning.

[00:21:29] But but but had been this not been playing her own game they wouldn't have used her like that like the devil we know worse than I feel like if she would have assimilated then it's like they still would have not liked Venus and then they would have still been pushing to get Venus out so I

[00:21:47] mean I

[00:21:49] different than me to so Jack go ahead.

[00:21:51] Well I just think Venus's issue is the way that she approaches people.

[00:21:56] It seems to be very game body oriented where she doesn't really work to build these connections but she goes to them says hey like I think we should do this and they're like well you've never really come and talk to me like I don't why would I

[00:22:10] even from her selection of tweets last week where she it kind of reminds me kind of reminds me what Wendell was saying earlier where just because you something's the best move for you doesn't mean it's the best move for everybody else and she was talking about like.

[00:22:24] Oh obviously Charlie is the best move like no one wants to make a big move like God forbid the women want to work together but like if I'm a Ben.

[00:22:33] Why would I want to vote out Charlie why would I want the women all stick together like of course I'm not going to do what you're saying that doesn't make any sense.

[00:22:41] So I think her game instincts for her game are solid but I think she doesn't really approach people with the finesse required to make solid bonds to execute that strategy and I think that explains why she was kind of on the outs on Nami and then as soon as the marriage hits.

[00:22:58] Everyone's kind of wary of her and people are so wary of her that they know that everybody else in the game is to and they're sort of like well we don't need to vote her out know what's going to work with her.

[00:23:09] So yeah maybe it's going to keep her around but I definitely think her assimilating more with the group would give her better shot to actually win even though it might up the odds of her getting voted out earlier.

[00:23:20] You might also have a better chance to win down the line.

[00:23:25] I think if Venus.

[00:23:26] I think I think it would be cool to see Venus come back.

[00:23:30] No I don't mean she could win this season.

[00:23:32] I think it'd be cool to see Venus come back and see what different things she does to her game if she comes back.

[00:23:39] So don't want to pivot but I do we are talking about Venus and you know she but I also like talking about great gameplay as well you know like you know like I mean I feel like a lot of times you have to kind of read in between the lines.

[00:23:53] And like we had to give the winners of a survivor Jam Jam you know you were partying with this guy recently a couple times.

[00:24:00] I feel like restraint, especially in the new era is one of those things that is very very tough to put on camera but indicative of everybody that won this game.

[00:24:13] You know when you take it back to to a Mary Ann who necessarily was in the same position was considered the bottom.

[00:24:20] You know but you know was able to you know then stay around become less threatening considering people knew where she stood, you know where they didn't.

[00:24:29] They're like okay we know the type of game she's playing and she was able to pull it out the end with relationships.

[00:24:34] You know you have I feel like that is the way to play if you're not coming into the merge in a dominant position like a ribbon and a D like we're making you out of a mergetory and you have a you have an army with you and y'all want to stay and rock out.

[00:24:49] Bam rock out but if you're not part of that dominant alliance coming through mergetory.

[00:24:54] Then what you want to do is wait for that bigger group to crack and try to get in there around seven or eight.

[00:25:00] And I think Venus is a position to do that.

[00:25:02] However, what you want what you want to do is you want to be at one have a person and not going to tribal obviously has a person out there and we're seeing is the people that don't have people are getting voted out so they didn't have a number one

[00:25:13] right and have a number one.

[00:25:15] Tim had a number one, but that number one been, you know didn't have the juice to keep them there, you know and tell me something that you just keep myself there.

[00:25:24] So I mean, I think we're learning some lessons here.

[00:25:27] I think we're seeing some great survivor play.

[00:25:30] I think we're seeing some questionable. I think the fact that nomad just nomad didn't play survivor. I think they were just itching to get a vote and oh yeah, and I don't know if the grass is greener because I think Charlie was the right vote and we can get into that later.

[00:25:45] If I was them because he's a much more connected and dangerous player than soda, who you see through at the present moment.

[00:25:55] So and the fact they didn't know what was happening at the previous vote which I think was also interesting and probably happened last year where you didn't know who went home.

[00:26:03] Like I think you know that's also another concern to as well.

[00:26:07] So we're going to get into it, you know I just wanted to say, I think there was great gameplay all around.

[00:26:12] You know, I don't want to you know, I don't want to dwell too much on Venus, you know but I think there's some other stuff happening there that's happening on this season with players that are that are pretty good to as well.

[00:26:21] I think we can dissect so many people just as much as we just dissected Venus, especially you on the pod James.

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[00:29:04] My question to you James, did you just say you think that Charlie was more connected than Soda?

[00:29:13] Is that what you said?

[00:29:14] Oh definitely.

[00:29:15] I think this is kind of like when we're talking about survivor and pushback.

[00:29:19] And oh people don't want to do something.

[00:29:21] That's like showing that someone is connected.

[00:29:23] So if you go into emergency, you try to rally your troops.

[00:29:26] I'm trying to get this person out.

[00:29:28] You talk to everybody.

[00:29:29] Everybody's like okay.

[00:29:30] And you go to tribal and you go to vote for that person and no one else votes with you.

[00:29:34] Or you're not getting those okays.

[00:29:36] You have to kind of read into saying if people aren't like Gun Ho and they're not voting with me.

[00:29:42] This person may actually have some type of juice that you may not see they may have.

[00:29:48] They might have something going on.

[00:29:50] And I think that's the thing where you have to kind of adjust where it's kind of like, you know, we want to get the person out.

[00:29:55] One vote.

[00:29:56] It doesn't doesn't really work.

[00:29:58] Like try to get Charlie out before which would have been a sound vote.

[00:30:00] People were like, Nope, we're not taking Charlie out.

[00:30:02] We're taking the other person out.

[00:30:04] So that right there tells you as people that like have his back, you know,

[00:30:10] and you have to kind of think about that from a when the next vote happens and articulate those arguments where, yo, who's protecting Charlie.

[00:30:17] They're protecting Charlie is Charlie protecting you and move and move it like that and kind of change the narrative and paint why Charlie is a danger for other people as opposed to,

[00:30:29] you know, let's get Charlie out like yet to have that reason why.

[00:30:32] Okay, I'm just asking another question.

[00:30:34] Okay.

[00:30:35] Do you think that Charlie being more connected or dialed in then soda because I have a lot to, I think we will have a lot to say about soda.

[00:30:40] Do you think that is based on his relationship with Maria?

[00:30:43] You think all the equity is through Maria and her connections.

[00:30:46] Or do you think all the equity is through Maria and her connections.

[00:30:50] I think it's good to have that.

[00:30:52] I think it's good to have that.

[00:30:54] I think it's good to have that.

[00:30:56] I think that was my real thing.

[00:30:58] I think it's good to have that because I'm not talking about a lot of things that you can't do with Maria.

[00:31:01] You think all the equity is through Maria and her connections, or do you think,

[00:31:07] I think it's been two days and Charlie didn't care as long as it's not him.

[00:31:09] And I think in that situation, he didn't feel like in the previous situation someone came to Venus and say, Oh, we're voting this person.

[00:31:12] Like, Hey, no, I think Charlie's the best will.

[00:31:14] Charlie, on the other hand, who, you know, probably has a preference between soda and Venus probably would prefer the person who the world's name.

[00:31:24] I'm like those people when people aren't part of your long-term strategy, right?

[00:31:29] And you have numbers around them who cares about like, you know, which one of them goes if they're not part of your long-term numbers

[00:31:35] In the next couple of votes like either or their book gonna go, you know

[00:31:40] So I feel like his strategy was to sit back. He got the information

[00:31:43] Which came out fast and furious somehow like I don't know how that much stuff happened between there and that merge

[00:31:49] But boy, they was moving and you know, he was able to sit back and kind of let the chest fall where they fall

[00:31:56] You know and you know, you have to get credit for that restraint because a lot of people that feel the pressure

[00:32:02] You know start, you know spinning out when that pressure is on, you know, four people from one tribe

[00:32:08] I'm just here my other person and my partner got immunity. I was getting flashbacks personally, but that's just

[00:32:15] Five less people to work with you know

[00:32:18] And to be able to stay calm in that situation and to be able to still function make it through

[00:32:24] Doesn't have any blood on its hands really or no explanation is like because you can always I was just trying to survive and you know

[00:32:31] You know, Tevin was the main corporate on that and I feel like he is he is

[00:32:36] he slowly lowering on the radar as somebody need to get out when you have these bigger threats around and

[00:32:43] Eventually the game switches, you know, I just agree on

[00:32:47] Tevin lowering his threat though. I think you said about Charlie

[00:32:51] You're talking about Charlie or Tevin, but I thought he then said Tevin, right? Oh, no

[00:32:55] I think Tevin's threat level definitely is is going to go up there. I mean, I think we'll talk about that

[00:33:01] We can move forward

[00:33:02] So but is it easier to keep your cool when you have people protecting you that you can talk to and is it less

[00:33:09] Easier when you don't have anybody and you have to like

[00:33:13] Spit at the wall to everybody

[00:33:17] Who are you can you put like Charlie like you said like in mind?

[00:33:20] I think that he did a great job here

[00:33:22] But it's easier to maintain your cool when you can go to your allies and freak out to them

[00:33:27] And they can calm you down as opposed to Venus

[00:33:30] Who can she go with like I feel like you see Venus like spitting at the wall

[00:33:34] I don't know if that's the correct analogy, but like she spit firing at like anybody and everybody because she doesn't have that

[00:33:41] Comments like that could also be I mean having that person out there on the island

[00:33:46] You know when do you add Dom so you you probably had the best partner of all best partners as far as rider dies

[00:33:52] We were able to save like it's just kind of when you're playing traders or mafia

[00:33:56] You need those type of social deduction games

[00:33:57] The reason why those games were created because the show that two people working together when people don't have information

[00:34:02] Is way more powerful than the whole entire group

[00:34:05] So not having that one person is a disadvantage to anybody playing the game and to have that one person

[00:34:11] Isn't advantage especially if you can trust that person and that's why that does allow Charlie to be a little more

[00:34:17] Commer because you know Maria is at least gonna tell him when not to be calm. Hopefully, you know, that's the game

[00:34:23] You know you can trust that person and then commonly get voted out

[00:34:27] Was it a calm move for him to tell Venus that he was the one that wrote her name

[00:34:33] Good question Bryce

[00:34:37] Was it a good move well, I don't ask you

[00:34:42] Hey, you know a lot of the way Q talks out there. Yeah, like it's like James. I was out there talking to people crazy

[00:34:49] I was like

[00:34:52] My best communication waiver, um, I mean

[00:34:57] You have to defend your like I mean should he has said anything I mean not necessarily but I

[00:35:04] Mean he did I mean will that buy credibility from other people possibly

[00:35:08] I mean Venus is not a power player in the game. So like

[00:35:11] Like does it really impact anybody? What do we think his motivation was was it to like like to chill soda out?

[00:35:18] Was it to extend an olive branch of soda like yo, hey, I did it sometimes

[00:35:23] It's just like people just saying do stuff like if someone's it's like inconsequential like, you know, like

[00:35:28] Venus doesn't have any power in the game. So saying that he voted for is doing what

[00:35:33] But again is the tribe morale important?

[00:35:37] No

[00:35:45] But nothing but I'm saying like the morale of everybody at the camp if you had Venus setting everything on fire

[00:35:51] Everyone's getting worked up

[00:35:53] Does it benefit Charlie to like put the fire out and then everything is like he let the fire burn

[00:35:58] He doesn't buy a burn first then did it like he put no fire

[00:36:02] He didn't put it out and already she said one person did it

[00:36:09] He just said no I voted for you and you know, sometimes you do things

[00:36:13] I think what Venus does to like you a reaction is a reaction

[00:36:16] You want to gauge how people are how people get how people respond to you?

[00:36:20] You know I'm saying like I feel like hey, I mean, I think I saw people that voted for him. I think I don't know

[00:36:26] Um, I think I probably did when I voted they were home. I don't know either way

[00:36:32] What's your response to Q though? What's your response to Q to Charlie?

[00:36:38] Yo, bro, I feel like you're able to play based on just the people around you right and like

[00:36:45] We'll see kind of if he long-term rubs people the wrong way

[00:36:49] By kind of being more of an explainer

[00:36:51] But I feel like I thought that my people my guys I rubbed in the wrong way because the way I was

[00:36:56] Explaining a question and some things which actually wasn't shown on the television screen in that contributed to kind of some of my relationships

[00:37:04] However, I mean, I think it's just interesting

[00:37:08] There's no right and wrong way to play this game

[00:37:09] And that's why I think this is why you had these type of podcast where you can say someone should do this

[00:37:14] This isn't this but you don't have to do this and this the win the game, you know, everybody is different

[00:37:19] Here's my question

[00:37:20] Q saying that to Charlie

[00:37:23] Q saying that to Charlie

[00:37:26] Because it didn't benefit who's game

[00:37:39] It wasn't great for Charlie either, but obviously you're absolutely right Q only cared because like

[00:37:45] But I do think maybe I see both sides for Charlie. I don't think it was necessarily a bad move

[00:37:50] I definitely wouldn't have gone to him like you did

[00:37:54] I do think there's something to be said about letting Nami continue to burn those bridges just by letting them

[00:38:00] Have those ideas about each other, but I also think Charlie

[00:38:04] You know, he's sort of playing up this younger innocent fun loving guy and so to own up and be like

[00:38:12] Ever to be like oh Charlie's honest like Charlie's a nice kid

[00:38:15] And I think that's the perception of Charlie where that's how he's gotten in good with people

[00:38:21] In Sika and at the merge

[00:38:23] So I do think Charlie's in a really good spot and definitely disagree with Q going it

[00:38:27] And I love Charlie's response when Q came to him Charlie was just like oh, you're right like I messed up

[00:38:32] You're so right Q. I like that and I'm sorry Bryce

[00:38:38] There might there also like if he didn't own up to it

[00:38:41] There might be something to throw on a little stray vote out there when you know all of us are one place

[00:38:47] She'll always throw a straight boy out there like there should never be a 13 o vote like like like there should never be a 10

[00:38:53] Oh, there should never be a 9 o vote like that should those should never ever happen ever in the history of

[00:38:59] Of the game like that like like when those votes happen is like people are really just trying to be on the right side of the vote

[00:39:05] And if everybody's on the right side of the vote then someone's interest

[00:39:09] People are playing a great game where people are playing horrible games and that's kind of when you see

[00:39:14] You name is both so I feel like you know you have to protect yourself in new air from a shot in the dark

[00:39:19] From a idle, I feel like that's the one thing that doesn't happen anymore

[00:39:22] New air people don't play idols for other people as often as they probably should

[00:39:26] When they can influence the vote like oh you want to pile on votes on somebody great. I

[00:39:31] Don't care the person goes home, but I didn't get to show a little I get sent home

[00:39:34] Anybody I want because I have this idol you all are putting your votes as one place

[00:39:38] So I feel like that has been used as much in a new era

[00:39:40] But I think at some point it has to get used as a tactic to kind of switch things up like you know, so

[00:39:48] Yeah

[00:39:51] Moving on before the immunity challenge. We also see Ben wake up in the in the middle of the night

[00:39:56] after I think a bad dream and has a little bit of a panic attack

[00:40:00] Kenzie is there to

[00:40:03] Settle his nerves. I don't think there's too much to take away from it other than it was just a really nice

[00:40:09] personal moment between those two that gets brought up later as well, but I

[00:40:15] Mean, I think stink stick your pin in that, you know because you know if

[00:40:20] Kenzie kind of if she gets another person with Tim leaving, right?

[00:40:25] You know then that opens up somebody to have enough everybody wants a person, right?

[00:40:29] It didn't kind of less people there. So you have a Charlie Maria

[00:40:33] I don't think Ben was really a part of that. So now you have the young new four who now have picked up maybe a hunter

[00:40:39] Maybe a Ben and now it's a young new five going into five. This is the numbers game here

[00:40:44] So like you're looking for you're looking for six now

[00:40:47] So and everybody has different plans and thought so it's going to be

[00:40:53] Interesting moving forward with the way they highlighted that because those moments have been more than you think on Survivor price

[00:40:59] I don't know that when you were playing but people get down people start crying and people comfort people and have real conversation

[00:41:05] So they're just showing this aspect. I think you're even there for people

[00:41:09] You don't even like sometimes on the show that go through stuff like when you're there

[00:41:12] So they're just showing a little bit of camp life that may have some game implore implement

[00:41:18] a implement implement implement. I would have implemented

[00:41:22] implications implications

[00:41:25] Nothing about game related but Ben having a panic if that's been having a panic attack like I know that was like so hard

[00:41:32] But I I just was like bet is the cutest person ever like Ben just woke up and was like

[00:41:38] It's kind of hard out here like you know, like I don't know

[00:41:41] But I mean I know panic attacks are real but Ben even though he was

[00:41:47] Just like woke up Ben asked and it was good to see Kenzie kind of comfort

[00:41:53] Like the chill is paying a good attack in the world basically he pulled up like the Undertaker West of Manus down like

[00:41:59] You know, I feel bad

[00:42:02] No, it's good for him to be vulnerable

[00:42:04] I feel like showing the tribe that you're not super strong is also

[00:42:07] Something that that is and can be good and I feel like you should display weakness at all times

[00:42:13] Home and when you're playing really

[00:42:16] A lot of knowing that you're not strong really means that you are strong and again

[00:42:19] I think that Ben has a way of revealing himself

[00:42:23] That disarms people but we know Ben is playing and we know Ben means business

[00:42:29] Like it makes me think back to like when Jim was searching around with the machete

[00:42:35] Then the next time Ben is talking to her. He got the axe like right like

[00:42:40] The two most dangerous people didn't go home tonight, you know, like Charlie and Ben, you know

[00:42:46] Both would have been better moves for everybody else playing the game. I

[00:42:51] Love what they're doing, but it would have been better to get though

[00:42:53] Like tell me knew exactly where Tom is going from and you know

[00:42:57] I feel like soda didn't really have too many moves outside of that considering Tevin was probably her number one

[00:43:03] And she was beefing with Venus, you know, I feel like

[00:43:06] You know, I question the soda edit

[00:43:10] What do you mean? Oh

[00:43:12] I think I think soda was a lot more personable and connect not connect a lot more likeable

[00:43:19] Then we saw and I think that when we finally saw her go out and

[00:43:24] You see how like the people are looking at her

[00:43:27] I feel like I feel like that was their true connections with her. I for some reason I just think that I

[00:43:34] Just think that we got this she's over the top and she sings a lot and she does a lot

[00:43:40] For some reason I just think she's a lot more likeable. I get she's a nurturer

[00:43:45] I get that like she might be over the top and a lot

[00:43:47] But I I get that she's a nurturer and I think that sometimes because we don't see a lot at night in different things

[00:43:53] I think that that is the soda that maybe we're missing

[00:43:56] And that can bond people together

[00:44:00] Although we're all over the place

[00:44:02] Here's my other issue with kind of like not so this game

[00:44:05] But like when you are in the dominant tribe and you want to say strong

[00:44:10] Like I feel like yeah, you shall want to stay strong, but you should also want to be like out and about

[00:44:17] You had what you what you want to is you want to have a woman have your your allies

[00:44:22] So confident in you and your ability, right?

[00:44:25] That's also playing the game

[00:44:28] But you have to under are so like if if you if so you're going to tribal right and

[00:44:33] Everybody from your alliance is trying to vote somebody out, right?

[00:44:36] Why do you care about both in relation with that person?

[00:44:38] Like you like you have to kind of demonstrate like that is how you if this person's on the house, right?

[00:44:45] You want to make sure that I get I am having a conversation with this person

[00:44:49] This is what you want to make you don't want to keep on trying to build

[00:44:53] Relationships with people that are kind of on also you have to kind of pick and choose your battles

[00:44:58] Especially when you're in the power alliance when you're not in the power line

[00:45:01] Then you kind of can get it you have free reign to talk to everybody

[00:45:03] But see I feel like the thing what I don't like about the power alliance

[00:45:06] Sorry, it's all over the place is that it makes you too comfortable because again

[00:45:10] I love soda. I want to so that like soda was in my mind one of the winter picks

[00:45:14] And it's like you see soda from episode three when random was in there and him and Venus was

[00:45:20] Beefing and Venus is like girl. Let me give you a hug and

[00:45:24] So it was like make it quick, you know like she her mind was always in the game

[00:45:29] And so like for me it's like to see her now and then kind of sort of get blindsided again

[00:45:33] I just it leads to that comfort ability of being in that dominant alliance

[00:45:37] Oh, was she that's the thing was I'm sorry my bad win

[00:45:40] It's like because like people that's the thing in the game where people think they're in us

[00:45:43] Like who's are they calling the shots or are they just part of the team?

[00:45:47] And that's the hardest thing the part of that's what I'm saying like I don't know if she believed that she was calling shots

[00:45:53] But she definitely believed that she was part of the team and that's my issue with

[00:45:56] The in the new era you have the dominant tribe that doesn't lose anybody

[00:46:01] And then you come in kind of sort of strong

[00:46:03] And I think that you let your peripheral view down a little bit because you're like we're gonna dominate this game and

[00:46:09] You're I don't know. That's just how

[00:46:12] You have to be more focused. It's my bad window, right?

[00:46:14] I think the answer is to maintain your alliance while

[00:46:20] Opening up the doors to other align and going with whichever one is the best at that time in our case

[00:46:27] We were Naviti strong all the way to the end

[00:46:29] But in actuality as soon as we met Laurel and Donathan, we're like yo on the low

[00:46:36] We're taking this thing home and that's what we did so like then once post merge once Naviti's back

[00:46:43] I'm telling Kellen. Yeah, Naviti strong. She's looking at me the same thing. She's plotting

[00:46:48] Similar things. I'm gonna tell Wendell Naviti strong, but we go get him out. So like I think the answer is you have your alliance

[00:46:56] But you don't be so

[00:46:59] Locked in to saying, you know what?

[00:47:02] This is it. This is what we got see ya and that's gotta be flexible

[00:47:06] You guys are right, but again another benefit of going to tribal is that you

[00:47:12] Ask you get rid of you like but when you the strong guys and it's like

[00:47:20] But that's but that but that is like how you decide to play the game though, too

[00:47:24] Right and it's kind of like you had to figure out who's

[00:47:27] Who was expendable in your squad like we went the merge we thought everybody's going without Ryan

[00:47:32] But still are described. They didn't like real they're like, oh

[00:47:35] We like I'm like so like you have to pick the people that you within your group

[00:47:38] You have your group of four who's your three who's your two and if you don't have a two

[00:47:41] Then you don't got a majority like you get like if you're in a big group

[00:47:45] But you don't have a number one or number two where you don't have a subgroup beside that group

[00:47:49] Then you ain't that's not the right group for you like you you are a passenger. Is it fair to say that?

[00:47:56] Opposites but similar that Venus and soda has similar games or like similar styles of play

[00:48:03] Like not they moves or anything, but soda was

[00:48:07] We're saying that Venus needs to learn to like communicate with people better, right?

[00:48:12] But here we are soda who thinks that she's in this dominant alliance with Hunter 7 and

[00:48:20] Like they locked in but like we know that they looking at soda sideways

[00:48:25] I just think that there are their opposite, but there are some similarities

[00:48:30] That could be there right because soda didn't have that that that majority like Philip Shepard said Boston Rob told on the rules

[00:48:38] Get your majority get your majority inside your majority

[00:48:41] It's old school, but it's simple like if you don't have your majority inside your majority

[00:48:45] Then you need to figure other things out and if you get that you had it

[00:48:48] It's hard to make that determination

[00:48:49] But that's you have to do should we credit the rest of the people in so does alliance for making her feel so comfortable

[00:48:55] So we credit that yes, yeah, that's what I mean by good gameplay. That's great gameplay. That's the game within the game

[00:49:03] Here's my question now sorry cuz now you got me a little hype

[00:49:06] Is there a world where I just wonder what would have happened if soda would have entertained Venus a little bit more?

[00:49:16] I don't think the question is can Venus bring other people in to help them make a vote

[00:49:20] I

[00:49:22] Can soda bring other people to make a vote like that's what you're trying to do is make a vote like who can help make a vote and who can't

[00:49:32] Okay

[00:49:34] Does it say something about sodas gameplay that a Tevin

[00:49:39] Wants to make a move against a soda. I'm trying to say no

[00:49:45] Hold on a second I

[00:49:48] Think Tevin I think Tevin can win the game. I thought soda could win the game

[00:49:55] There's your answer right there though. I

[00:50:04] These if this player like a Tevin is like man, I need to get her out I

[00:50:11] Think that says something about this woman's game it goes back to what you're saying guys

[00:50:18] I think that was I think it was premature. I feel like it's one of those things where you're worried about the wrong things at the wrong times

[00:50:23] Like I don't so that is trying to make

[00:50:27] Trying to make moves right we had to think about it's like you had to think about you need to get through and get to the end

[00:50:33] Right now think about who you may have made lose to at the end XYZ

[00:50:37] You just only show me the votes you think

[00:50:41] Oh without a doubt without

[00:50:43] Yeah

[00:50:44] But I think both of those things are true

[00:50:46] Like I think I think Tevin made this move a little too soon

[00:50:50] But I also think the fact that he needed felt like he needed to make this move is a testament to soda's game like you were saying

[00:50:57] But now there's gonna be a big bright shining social butterfly light on our man Tevin, okay

[00:51:04] I don't know cuz

[00:51:07] He actually voted with soda and

[00:51:10] Look, I still think he's a threat like he's been a threat

[00:51:13] But I don't think that he

[00:51:15] Specifically is gonna come out of this tribal is looking like I mean especially we have Venus already taken the credit for this though

[00:51:22] Yeah

[00:51:24] But you saw his reaction, but you saw this reaction

[00:51:27] But also

[00:51:28] Who sat on the beach and who was coming up to who one by one to speak to did y'all see like it was Tevin

[00:51:35] Tevin Tevin made the moves we know no

[00:51:37] We're gonna all agree that it was that this is Tevin's move cuz right after he made all those moves

[00:51:42] We then saw Venus making her moves, right?

[00:51:44] Um, I think the show is giving the credit to Tevin for sure

[00:51:48] But the last three seconds of the show we see soda giving it to Venus we see Tevin like

[00:51:55] No, and what I think is gonna happen now is like I think Tevin is gonna demand that credit within the next couple

[00:52:02] Episodes somehow some way whether it's in front of the jury whether it's whatever and I think he's gonna end up on the jury because of it

[00:52:09] I mean here's the hardest thing to do in the game is to figure out

[00:52:13] How do how does someone leaving impact your threat level or how people perceive you at your threat level like we're you may be able to

[00:52:21] Play the game at a certain level because you're playing with people who are taking, you know eyes

[00:52:27] Off of you whether you know it or not

[00:52:29] And it's something hard to really see when you're in the game, right?

[00:52:32] Cuz you're playing the game and no one's talking about you X Y Z and you're playing with this person

[00:52:36] But you don't know how many how many shots of soda is taking

[00:52:40] How many shots a hunter is taking because they are these back hunter big strong guy

[00:52:45] So the big personality type person, right?

[00:52:48] So when you have these people that are shields in front of you from a social physical XYZ standpoint

[00:52:53] And you're taking less heat, right?

[00:52:56] You you kind of you do like bright said you do start to feel kind of oh

[00:53:00] I feel like I'm I can just make moves and you kind of sometimes discount

[00:53:04] What the other person is bringing from a shield communication?

[00:53:08] Just taking just shots

[00:53:11] You know taking shrapnel on at the beach that they're taking and that's something to really think about

[00:53:17] It's hard to do in the game like completely hard to do and what's crazy James

[00:53:22] I love what you just said you're absolutely right and I don't most venture to say that a

[00:53:27] Tevin and a soda are more similarly situated than a Tevin and a hunter hunter

[00:53:32] But where soda is taking those social shots all day all day

[00:53:37] Hunter is a big meat shield him and cure the same

[00:53:39] I feel like people in this season they aren't even really looking at them as

[00:53:44] You know like they're like alright. We could we could get them whenever

[00:53:47] I think the threats were these social butterflies are now one's gone now is now the eyes are gonna be on Tevin

[00:53:55] Yeah, so so you I think you're right and I think it's not like alright Tevin

[00:53:59] You still have your bestie your meat shield now

[00:54:01] It's Tevin that social meat shield was the real

[00:54:05] And that's something that I would love to talk about how the evolution of the game how

[00:54:11] People like when Jonathan was in like oh, we're gonna get that big old meat that big old

[00:54:16] Whoa

[00:54:19] That big old we're gonna get that big old meat out the game

[00:54:22] And it is so interesting how the game evolves to what the big old meat becomes because like now the big old

[00:54:35] Is now the big old personality me and that is I think

[00:54:41] something that needs to be studied because

[00:54:43] The more diverse that you get

[00:54:46] the different types of meat you can get as a shield and it's just interesting that in

[00:54:54] Although we ever talk much about Tim, but we could talk about his what meet he brought

[00:55:00] And I think that he brought a very strategic and tapped in meat that is not

[00:55:07] Right here's a different a big old

[00:55:11] Biscuit meat that we're used to like a Jonathan is a different dialed in type of meat

[00:55:18] But needless to say I think that it stands the case that at the merge boot

[00:55:24] They want you want to get rid of the big meat whatever it is

[00:55:28] It know it depends on the murder like I think it depends when you get rid of what is most was most not like you

[00:55:34] Right in a sense, right and it's about perception, right?

[00:55:37] So Q was not afraid of Hunter, right? So Hunter's threat level to Q is like I mean

[00:55:44] He's he's athletic person. He's not like threatening, right that doesn't threaten me now

[00:55:49] If you're athletic and you have a social game

[00:55:54] That may that may raise your

[00:55:58] A meat shield

[00:56:01] Analogy

[00:56:04] But we continue to use it so

[00:56:06] I just feel like from a awareness standpoint people are more shot wary of

[00:56:12] From a cast standpoint, what is most opposite for that cast dynamic is so if you have you know your cast is more introverted

[00:56:19] You know then the extra verse are going to be the threats

[00:56:21] If your cast is more extroverted then the introverse are going to be the threats

[00:56:25] If your cast is like, you know less athletic then the athletic people are going to be the threats like introverted me

[00:56:32] extroverted me

[00:56:38] James is right though in that and Bryce you two to a degree I

[00:56:44] think it depends on the season so

[00:56:48] Okay, and this season for me my kind of a shield will be a whatever in my case

[00:56:54] Me and Dom were good for one another we're both in our 30s. We're both kind of good at a lot of stuff whatever

[00:56:59] I think in this case you got

[00:57:01] Soda and Tevin they're both very social. They're good for each other Hunter and Q. They're good for each other

[00:57:08] Yeah, that's that's what I got

[00:57:11] Can we get to the challenge real quick?

[00:57:17] Can we get some real can we get some some challenges like I just stand alone

[00:57:22] Can we I get it we don't we want to make survivor less athletic and we don't want to be so physical and we don't God forbid

[00:57:29] survivors touch each other and

[00:57:33] You don't like this challenge I think this is a classic staple challenge

[00:57:37] I want to I don't know if it didn't premiere, but it definitely was on

[00:57:41] I mean, this is cool. This is great like just like I'm

[00:57:46] Just I just feel like the physicality in the game

[00:57:51] James huh, have you competed in this challenge? No, I haven't so how could you attest to the physicality?

[00:57:58] Like you're not pulling people up a pole

[00:58:01] I agree with you on that. I was just talking with somebody else

[00:58:04] I missed do you remember the ring when you will be in a ring? Yeah

[00:58:08] Like now I miss challenges like that now mind you

[00:58:11] I don't know if it was Tyson or somebody now when they was back flipping the ladies

[00:58:21] But more I missed the ones where you stand on the podium and it's two people

[00:58:28] Now I do miss challenges like that

[00:58:32] It's like I get it but then it's but I

[00:58:35] Understand it a fine now. It's just more like a we get it

[00:58:38] We wanted to be equitable for everybody. However, there's a lot of stuff in there for the you know non-athletic

[00:58:45] Don mentally tough people out there and it's kind of like yo like

[00:58:51] Like give the physical people like something, you know that keep them in the game possibly in the second half

[00:58:56] so

[00:58:58] That's like we're giving them meant like we're giving the survivor super fans something in

[00:59:04] Line up all the seasons logos because I wouldn't have done well at that a fan Robin at our

[00:59:12] Party yesterday. She said she is a new fan of survivors

[00:59:17] She started in the pandemic and she would have aced it and she loved it, right?

[00:59:21] So so if they're handing something to the superfan

[00:59:25] Then why not hand something to the the big casual argument?

[00:59:30] Yeah

[00:59:31] Let the cat like I mean keeping so like I mean can't things for the casual too, you know

[00:59:36] I mean like this thing is about like having regular trivia challenge through musical chairs

[00:59:40] Like I really don't have to be like anything that crazy. However, you know, I'm just you know

[00:59:48] That's where I'm at. So we don't talk about the challenge

[00:59:50] I only want to talk about one thing and one thing only about this challenge

[00:59:54] And I need for y'all to wait in because there seems to be a pattern

[00:59:59] And I need to talk about it

[01:00:02] You're about to say because I love this man

[01:00:07] Sure, surely I do love this man

[01:00:11] Is there a planet that starts with the letter Q?

[01:00:16] I'm sure there is there just hasn't been named yet because I had to rewatch the episode

[01:00:23] And

[01:00:25] What I rewatched the episode, I don't know me. I don't know

[01:00:29] I'm gonna have to talk to Q but I just found it very interesting that in the confession

[01:00:38] What do you say?

[01:00:39] Well given first of all given the the pep talk that he gave Charlie

[01:00:44] Like given everything that we know about this man that we have seen with like when the purple try had been

[01:00:53] It just doesn't strike me as

[01:00:58] Someone that would throw a challenge. Maybe he did I don't know but I just thought it was real convenient for Q to be like

[01:01:12] Because you know, I'm nasty on that I could I could stand all day

[01:01:18] I still be standing on there

[01:01:22] Let me hold on to

[01:01:27] Y'all want me to do a confession

[01:01:32] Standing I fast forward through the challenge

[01:01:37] He said that he jumped off on purpose, I mean

[01:01:40] Now I feel like in that situation he probably felt safe and secure and knew he wasn't gonna win

[01:01:45] I mean, it's like these challenges, you know, someone like Kenzie is probably gonna win

[01:01:49] Like, you know, unless someone's like a yogi or something like that. This is you know built for them

[01:01:54] You know, so at that point what's the point of standing out there?

[01:01:57] I know that's not the same Q that

[01:02:00] Almost cussed Jess out when she wasn't holding up the block. I don't see it

[01:02:06] I don't get that mentality from Q. I get you want to win

[01:02:20] What I do love about that professional it is not true that he didn't jump off I love the way Q can

[01:02:28] spin a story because

[01:02:31] I think but honestly, I think that that is a

[01:02:34] Valuable trait that if Q was at the end

[01:02:45] Q planted

[01:02:48] Because of Q right

[01:02:51] Right, that is actually a great fact

[01:02:54] No, no, not with that what you said but what you said about final tribal final tribal is an actual skill of storytelling and

[01:03:01] If you can tell the best story that makes the most sense you typically can win the game

[01:03:07] Listen Q would be at final tribal life. The most other physical guy that was out there was Ryan

[01:03:14] Who you think put that bamboo like that where he was sleeping?

[01:03:20] Who do you think put that but you weren't one of the same tribe as him I gave him that bamboo

[01:03:27] Man

[01:03:31] And

[01:03:35] It's a bad idea here for Q not to win this challenge, but given his track record

[01:03:40] I think that and usually you will want that confession will come maybe before the challenge

[01:03:47] But I mean given that he dropped, you know 80 points at the celebrity basketball game anything's possible for Q

[01:03:54] Um

[01:03:59] If a celebrity basketball game did happen I

[01:04:04] Will say though Q was crossing when

[01:04:12] Like that though, I just say

[01:04:15] Again, okay. So Jack who won these challenges like we need us have as far through a challenge

[01:04:21] Anything else have been a bit fully play like an alphabet game or something

[01:04:26] Conversation because the water was really flat a lot of the there's just a lot of standing so I mean we had

[01:04:32] Challenging stuff. Yeah, I can't speak to it but Q it was informing Jeff about some

[01:04:41] And I'm actually curious you guys when Tim was like what's up Jeff? How did you interpret that?

[01:04:46] Cuz I didn't really

[01:04:49] Wait right before you continue James

[01:04:52] You should have watched the challenge for this reason because there was a lot of blackness in the very much so and I also think that

[01:04:59] Jeff got it a little bit wrong and I think that Q Q explained it right like it does mean like what's up?

[01:05:04] What time is it but it doesn't actually

[01:05:08] Jeff was like

[01:05:10] 733 Eastern time. I'm learning a lot guys, but also what time is it come in like what's up window?

[01:05:17] What's up?

[01:05:19] So yes, but to explain it to James

[01:05:25] No, cuz James fast forwarded through it so he didn't watch it but to explain it to James

[01:05:30] there was a time Q had already thrown the challenge. He's on the sitout bench and

[01:05:36] Tim is like

[01:05:38] Jeff and Jeff's like starting to say something and then

[01:05:43] Q on the sitout bench was like nah, that's what black people say when they need to know what time it is

[01:05:52] Yeah, so then fast forward in the episode and then later

[01:05:57] Later in the challenge Tim again, he's like what's up Jeff Jeff's like you're at 24 minutes remaining

[01:06:04] So there was that but then there was also a part when

[01:06:08] they were all talking Q was on a bench and

[01:06:12] Q was like I think Jeff might have said Q. What are your thoughts on that?

[01:06:17] He said I can't talk my daddy taught me if I'm not in the fight shut my mouth

[01:06:23] Okay, and again this interaction leads me to believe you did not throw the challenge but can say you went though because

[01:06:31] Go on so then they're on still water when this challenge was done before

[01:06:35] Marianne and then fell off in three minutes, right in this challenge

[01:06:39] They're going for a long time because it's like standing on the ground anyway

[01:06:43] So then my man Tim is like you know what?

[01:06:46] Shout out to my wife shout out to my kids shout out to

[01:06:50] Tevin's mom shout out to Maria's kids. He's just giving all the shout outs Q on the bench

[01:06:57] Shout out to pookie and day day from such as such. That's what black people say when they on the radio

[01:07:02] Tim said your daddy said to shut your mouth if you're not in the fight

[01:07:07] And what and what Q do you was like you right?

[01:07:12] So this is this is this is why I tell me home

[01:07:24] Like I know like it's like when you I

[01:07:29] Understand terms game a lot. I would I'm like

[01:07:32] It still shows you as a yo man, like what we doing here like we here to actually what we doing

[01:07:39] like

[01:07:40] That's crazy. Let's put that together James because I wasn't thinking that but now that you say it clicks

[01:07:45] It's like Tim son's Q real quick, but it was funny

[01:07:50] If you know about getting son, I don't know yet something something sundum

[01:07:54] But people like when you can respond quickly and you and when you when you when you're firming your response

[01:08:02] People do not like that in the game because people say you're being confident your cocky

[01:08:07] XYZ however, if you're doing it from the bottom is like a whole different thing where it's like

[01:08:11] Oh, you're assertive you you're playing but we do that when you have a quote like we attempt doing it or you know

[01:08:16] It's like oh you're you're being affirmative like you're being aggressive. You're doing like

[01:08:21] So I think it's a perception thing out there

[01:08:23] But people don't like that when you're playing the game when it's like yo, I'm not gonna get chump

[01:08:28] I'm gonna speak my mind

[01:08:30] Tim reminded me like he was from Philly

[01:08:33] It was the way that he delivered was like not a lot not enough

[01:08:40] But it landed and it landed in a way that was

[01:08:44] Assertive dominant funny silly, but like it landed for me also that interaction with Q said a lot

[01:08:52] But also I'm like Tim

[01:08:54] Why the f are you up there?

[01:08:57] Naming where Tevin's grandmother is from why are you saying the village not the village, but where Charlie from why are you saying?

[01:09:07] Dr. Maria's all like what that that interaction

[01:09:12] Although we didn't get to see a lot of Tim this season

[01:09:15] That interaction of Tim up there showed me everything that I needed to know about him

[01:09:20] Yeah smart. He's witty. You won't check me

[01:09:22] I'ma tell you what your father said to sit your behind there

[01:09:25] He was chilling and he knows things about people like and that for me is like that was always my missing piece about him

[01:09:33] Like is he really playing the game? I really feel like Tim was a

[01:09:38] deadly

[01:09:40] Assassin

[01:09:41] degree

[01:09:47] Those more housemen are a different grade of me, okay

[01:09:53] But but I think let's talk about Tim's game in this sense, right when that journey happened and I was like

[01:10:00] Why is Tim volunteering?

[01:10:01] I think Tim felt like he was the most connected to both sides

[01:10:05] And he didn't want somebody like that. He didn't trust getting it

[01:10:08] So that's why he was able to go on the journey and did not get the heat for going on the journey

[01:10:13] Like I feel like there's like little subtle things that happen in the game

[01:10:16] You had to pay attention to and that was one of my wife's to voluntary to go on this journey

[01:10:21] And he volunteered came back no hassle. No xyz. Why'd he volunteer?

[01:10:25] He was cool and everybody enough to go over to volunteer

[01:10:28] Make sure someone else didn't get advantage and report back like being able to do stuff like that

[01:10:33] Is a sign of someone that's locked in and connected within the game

[01:10:36] But it doesn't get highlighted like no one talks about it

[01:10:39] But that that shows you that he was somebody the reason why he was more scary than ben to some people

[01:10:45] It's because of that fact where ben is like

[01:10:48] With Tim is kind of more like

[01:10:49] All right, yo, I know you what y'all trying to do. I mean y'all gonna do it do it, but

[01:10:54] It is what it is

[01:10:55] You don't make me look at what he did with dr. Maria

[01:10:59] Uh and bringing the plus one alliance at first. I'm looking at it like you're crazy go talk to her

[01:11:04] But seeing Tim personality like it's gonna work out

[01:11:09] The plus one's gonna happen like I I really Tim shout out to the Tim merch, but uh

[01:11:15] Tim was a deadly assassin. He also said in his exit press today jack fix your face. Yeah, wait

[01:11:22] Wait, go ahead

[01:11:26] First of all, I'm gonna first of all jack well we

[01:11:31] Because now oh this is the moment I've been waiting for because well we not going to

[01:11:35] Don't give him the knockout punch. Don't walk him out. Okay. Cause what's your name jack? Okay, jack lisky

[01:11:41] I

[01:11:44] If you want to see a deadly assassin, you got to look at Jolinsky

[01:11:48] Okay, the only thing I wanted to say about tim to add to the james and um, brice height

[01:11:54] In his exit press. He said his reason for saying

[01:11:58] maria's name during

[01:12:00] The plus one alliance talk because his his number one was ben it was to not reveal his number one

[01:12:06] It was to hide his cards. Yeah, so I just wanted to add that to the mix

[01:12:10] Oh, yeah, definitely you

[01:12:12] Huh, I mean, but that was that was something that you have to refer like I feel like you had to give certain players credit

[01:12:16] Like for me, I gave tim enough credit that

[01:12:19] Tim has said ben is his number one

[01:12:21] Tim is not he just going on this journey. He's in a good position

[01:12:25] Q is the one that's scrambling on the other tribe. You know what I'm saying?

[01:12:28] Hunter is not speaking about no game and q bought this up

[01:12:31] So tim is like all right y'all you want to scramble. That's great. You need a name. That's cool. Whatever

[01:12:36] So does that change anything about ben's game for you?

[01:12:40] So if that is what tim is saying then it would lead us to believe that ben knows about the plus one alliance

[01:12:46] That we have not seen on screen, but clearly ben probably knows that if tim is his number one

[01:12:53] Here you go

[01:12:58] That leads me to believe that ben is in a different position potentially

[01:13:05] I don't believe I don't got it. I don't got it. I don't think ben knows about the plus one alliance

[01:13:11] Yeah, I think tim is

[01:13:13] But I think that's what it was. Tim wasn't a bad player. I just like deadly assassin to me was a little like who did he

[01:13:20] Who'd he get?

[01:13:22] He got Jim and not the player I rule

[01:13:24] He like you sleep until you get called

[01:13:26] I mean, but I don't know also

[01:13:28] But even at the challenge is like naming everyone's like family and where they're from

[01:13:32] If if tim doesn't know my family

[01:13:34] All right, I guess Tim doesn't know something like one more thing about about tim and the green tribe and ben

[01:13:40] They had the weakest quote unquote tribe from a look standpoint

[01:13:43] But they communicated well and tim was always the person leading in those those challenges, right?

[01:13:47] Even if you he may have messed up a little bit some of them

[01:13:50] They looked the best at some of those challenges

[01:13:52] But he was leading and communication is key and challenges

[01:13:55] And I think that's something that is also understated from a tribe that definitely was probably the underdogs going into

[01:14:02] This season like that first challenge they had no business business beating, you know

[01:14:06] Q and Jolinsky the juggernaut

[01:14:08] So they had no business like winning that challenge. But you look at the people they had on their tribe

[01:14:13] What they had was communication. Let me just piggyback on you there just I want to add one thing inside survivor

[01:14:19] I don't know. I heard this through a grapevine when he was applying he listed himself at six two

[01:14:25] who

[01:14:26] Tim and that's why they got you know q over here

[01:14:31] They got hunter over there

[01:14:35] No, they get they get medicals they gotta get medicals

[01:14:38] Oh, bro

[01:14:39] I went at so at whatever point he listed himself at six two. I don't know who I heard it from what but I promise you

[01:14:46] That's what I heard

[01:14:47] This is not the definition of when you lie on your resume. It's like I know sign language

[01:14:54] But but yeah, I think I think ben has an idea about you know what's about something vaguely whether

[01:15:01] He knows everything he has an idea about something vaguely going on

[01:15:05] And it's like you don't believe that tim is not more tapped in ben

[01:15:08] Why is it that tim didn't go home against jim and we knew that jim essentially they like i'm just saying uh

[01:15:16] You had to read him between the edit like read him between the edit

[01:15:19] You know a little bit. I feel you but it's up to do the way they edit the show

[01:15:24] I don't think tim was a bad player, but you literally survived for one tribal council

[01:15:29] I don't think we call it that you know what jack i'm gonna let you live today because I feel like

[01:15:34] It like

[01:15:35] Don't do it

[01:15:37] He's he's around he's around too. I feel like he could he could have gave up ben this this this episode

[01:15:42] But I feel like you know some like the way for some people why are just differently playing like everybody's different moral boundaries in the game

[01:15:48] Right and everybody is different. He could have gave up ben

[01:15:52] You know, but he didn't want to give up ben and I feel like you know, that's kind of what it was

[01:15:57] You know, I'm saying and

[01:16:00] You gotta give up people

[01:16:01] Look, I thought that

[01:16:03] Honestly, I thought ben was the better choice for the yannu group. Um

[01:16:07] Is that well that was no shade to tim. I just

[01:16:10] Oh, no, he was the better choice for the yannu group that like that was you're right

[01:16:14] But

[01:16:16] From the challenge as well

[01:16:17] I also love the moment where they're playing like the alphabet game

[01:16:21] In cube i super flustered you miss this james cute cute again

[01:16:25] This proves my point though jack like

[01:16:29] Of what?

[01:16:32] You ain't just jump

[01:16:39] Because how many times did they have to restart the alphabet game?

[01:16:42] Like three four, okay, and then charlie was just messing with him

[01:16:46] Like you i'll start

[01:16:50] Baltimore

[01:16:51] Well, let's yeah, let's play the alphabet game just a quick round. What are the rules? Uh

[01:16:58] You have to say with food you have to say the letter i'll go a apple then jack will go a apple b

[01:17:06] berries

[01:17:07] Okay, so let's just do a quick round real quick. Um, I can start it off

[01:17:12] We're doing food

[01:17:13] Food a I want to start

[01:17:17] Where's where are we going? Oh

[01:17:19] You tell me

[01:17:22] Clockwise or counterclockwise. Well, there you go counterclockwise. I'm starting go ahead a apples banana

[01:17:30] You're out

[01:17:34] Oh my gosh

[01:17:38] This is exactly happening the challenge. No, he's go abc. Yo, what are you talking about?

[01:17:43] I know how the alphabet works james, but you gotta you're supposed to repeat the ones that came before you

[01:17:48] It's like the party. That's like loser rules

[01:17:50] That's what you do. Watch the challenge

[01:17:52] I'm gonna get names on the way

[01:17:54] You don't repeat that under any apples then banana

[01:17:57] Being a banana then cut it no we're going

[01:17:59] You don't know

[01:18:01] I started on that james

[01:18:02] It's because in the challenge q get made the rule of your rule

[01:18:06] Q clearly is wrong. It's not you

[01:18:07] I'm not saying what's right or wrong james

[01:18:09] I'm just telling you why this is funny is because in the challenge q said you have to repeat

[01:18:15] And then everyone forgot to repeat and he would freak out

[01:18:17] Every I know what's wrong james. I'm just saying that. Oh, I'm sorry that that is hilarious

[01:18:23] Q's rules were very I feel like q's rules are very wrong for the game

[01:18:27] However, I feel like you notice what it is. I I know that I will play the game and it's not like

[01:18:32] That's the second podcast

[01:18:34] Jack we're going counterclockwise started off

[01:18:38] With a or with c you got to go from where I started and continue

[01:18:42] applesauce

[01:18:44] A applesauce b berries

[01:18:49] A applesauce

[01:18:52] B

[01:18:53] berries

[01:18:54] c

[01:18:55] cherries

[01:18:57] I'm opting out. I'm not in

[01:18:59] I'm not in it. You gotta eliminate

[01:19:01] applesauce bananas cherries

[01:19:06] I'm I'm you know, I'm inside any harlow way of playing a game

[01:19:10] His daddy said if you're not in the game shut up

[01:19:20] Okay, go ahead jack

[01:19:22] a applesauce

[01:19:24] b berries

[01:19:26] c cherries

[01:19:28] d

[01:19:29] They'll pickle. I don't you buy the gold somewhere else with that one. Yo

[01:19:34] You

[01:19:36] a applesauce

[01:19:38] b

[01:19:38] berries c cherries d

[01:19:41] dill pickles

[01:19:43] e

[01:19:44] eggplant

[01:19:46] Ha ha ha ha

[01:19:47] Yo, any guys will have time you taking time sort of ramping fire you out like this is what I'm ramping b berries c cherries

[01:19:55] D

[01:19:56] dill pickle

[01:19:59] Y'all it's a freaks eggplants

[01:20:02] f

[01:20:04] Fiji apple

[01:20:08] Good thing he's muted

[01:20:10] Good thing he is muted. Is that a kind of apple? Yeah, they're crisp. They're the crisp ones go on jack

[01:20:17] All right a applesauce b berries c cherries dill pickle e eggplant f figi apple

[01:20:26] g

[01:20:28] Gwaba

[01:20:31] Oh a applesauce

[01:20:34] b berries c cherries d dill pickles

[01:20:38] e eggplant

[01:20:40] F figi apples g gwaba

[01:20:46] I

[01:20:47] iceberg lettuce

[01:20:49] No, no wait

[01:20:52] H

[01:20:54] Hugo boss cologne

[01:20:58] Mute yourself

[01:21:03] I'm here I can still taste it on my never mind

[01:21:13] Wow

[01:21:20] So

[01:21:21] So

[01:21:22] Come on in come on in. Uh, so you're not gonna go. Y'all gonna see wins. Oh

[01:21:28] Okay. Oh

[01:21:30] We're still in it. So a apples

[01:21:33] B berries c cherries d dill pickles

[01:21:37] E eggplant f figi apples

[01:21:43] G

[01:21:45] guava

[01:21:47] H

[01:21:49] Hippopotamus meat

[01:21:51] That's crazy

[01:21:53] It's indigenous to uh, um Tanzania

[01:21:57] That's so big

[01:21:59] You give me a region

[01:22:01] Go on

[01:22:03] A applesauce b berries c cherries dill pickles

[01:22:07] E eggplant f figi apple g guava h hippopotamus meat

[01:22:13] I

[01:22:15] Ice cream

[01:22:17] I

[01:22:24] All that hippo meat, okay, uh in the sake of time we will now be instituting the time rule you have five seconds

[01:22:32] Uh

[01:22:33] Two for each letter continue

[01:22:38] What okay freeze letter. Oh like what do you name a new one?

[01:22:42] A applesauce b berries c cherries

[01:22:46] D

[01:22:48] Dill pickles e

[01:22:51] eggplant f figi apples

[01:22:55] G guava h hippopotamus meat

[01:22:58] I ice cream j

[01:23:02] jungle juice

[01:23:04] Okay jack

[01:23:07] A applesauce

[01:23:09] B berries c cherries d dill pickle

[01:23:12] E eggplant f figi apple

[01:23:15] G guava h hippopotamus meat. I ice cream j jungle juice

[01:23:21] K a

[01:23:23] Kraft mac and cheese

[01:23:25] Whoo, oh, okay new rule when you say them you have to close your eyes because it looked like jack was read

[01:23:32] Your craft mac and cheese is not k

[01:23:35] Yes, it is

[01:23:37] Bruh

[01:23:39] Apple beads

[01:23:41] Spinning artichoke dip now. That's what we doing like that's how we feel so my cheesecake factory

[01:23:47] Okay, james. What's the word? James. We're in a very important round window close your eyes

[01:23:53] James you were still in you could say

[01:23:58] Bryce they're messing me up hey, hey, hey, hey, I can't see your hand count with my eyes closed

[01:24:04] Your hands up jack

[01:24:06] A applesauce b berries c cherries d dill pickles

[01:24:12] f figi apples

[01:24:15] G guava

[01:24:17] H

[01:24:18] hippopotamus meat I ice cream

[01:24:22] j jungle juice k

[01:24:25] Kraft mac and cheese

[01:24:26] L lollipops

[01:24:29] M

[01:24:31] B

[01:24:34] B

[01:24:38] A

[01:24:42] Apple's B berries C cherries d dill pickle E eggplant f figi apple g guava h hippopotamus meat I ice cream

[01:24:51] J

[01:24:53] Jungle juice K

[01:24:55] Kraft mac and cheese

[01:24:58] Will you say me or meat meat?

[01:25:02] This is uh, this is a questionable um pod today a applesauce B berries C cherries d dill pickles

[01:25:13] E eggplant f figi apples

[01:25:17] G guava

[01:25:19] H hippopotamus meat I

[01:25:22] ice cream j jungle juice

[01:25:26] K craft mac and cheese

[01:25:29] L lollipops

[01:25:31] M

[01:25:32] meat

[01:25:34] N

[01:25:35] Nantucket nectar's

[01:25:43] A applesauce B berries C cherries d dill pickles E eggplant f figi apple g guava

[01:25:52] H

[01:25:56] H

[01:25:57] 4 2 3 4

[01:26:02] Hippopotamus meat, baby

[01:26:09] That needed to add down here I threw the challenge

[01:26:17] So okay back to the challenge to surround the 10 minutes we have kenzie winning um

[01:26:24] for the

[01:26:26] purple group beast or the orange group and then we have

[01:26:30] Maria winning for the purple group which secured her group uh

[01:26:36] Some a food reward and a guaranteed spot on the jury

[01:26:41] Can we talk about dr. Maria real quick right like I feel like

[01:26:46] solid

[01:26:47] solid

[01:26:48] solid

[01:26:49] Solid player for her to win this immunity

[01:26:53] Even her conversation I feel like when she was talking to venus

[01:26:58] Like she was like

[01:26:59] I'm leaving it open

[01:27:01] and

[01:27:03] I don't like to feel pressure like I don't know like I just feel like

[01:27:08] Winner at it, uh, I definitely can see the climax of a dr. Maria

[01:27:13] I feel like we've seen her in the tribe challenges struggle a little bit like you know being hard on herself

[01:27:19] But I definitely feel like she showed up here and uh

[01:27:24] I'm just team dr. Maria

[01:27:26] She showed up

[01:27:28] She's strong. She was locked in she did it. Um, and then yeah, we could talk about her talking to um

[01:27:34] Her conversations afterwards. I also feel like and again, we were talking about tevin

[01:27:38] And again, this is kind of like back and forth with soda gone

[01:27:42] and then

[01:27:43] You see how long tevin lasted you see tevin pulled the the hat trick on the

[01:27:49] Thing uh, so it's not only does like tevin have this big personality

[01:27:54] Not only does tevin waiver this power rail not only can tevin sing

[01:27:59] Not only can tevin almost fall off is sick like it's like

[01:28:03] Not you a meat shield not you the personality meat sheet like I like

[01:28:08] I'm getting worried for my twin out there in a very good way like I

[01:28:13] I thought tevin was a great player already

[01:28:15] But to actually see how great he actually is

[01:28:19] Shout out to katlyn more the cast the director that casted me and casted seven because bay bay who might be too great

[01:28:27] That's a problem. I'm willing to have

[01:28:31] Kayla was too great

[01:28:33] who

[01:28:34] Caleb

[01:28:36] I'm from big brother

[01:28:38] Last season. Caleb

[01:28:40] So friendly so anyway go you mean president obama

[01:28:45] These started catching some heat last season after around this time when she won this double tribe challenge and everybody going to eat

[01:28:53] Everybody going to eat we're going

[01:28:56] So okay, so I guess we've wrapped up this challenge

[01:28:59] Uh, and we can kind of start getting into the the tribals here. We've already touched on them a little bit

[01:29:05] um, I guess let's start with just the first camp which in the first tribal which is the

[01:29:12] um

[01:29:12] The orange group which is tiffani kenzie q hunter tim and ben

[01:29:18] uh, and

[01:29:21] There's obviously this this I guess

[01:29:23] Once again like last episode yonny three ends up together in the same group

[01:29:27] Which gives them a lot of power and I guess the debate here is between do they target hunter?

[01:29:33] And take out a number from the group of nami or do they take out one of tim or ben and split up this

[01:29:39] stronger maybe more closely knit

[01:29:42] Sega group

[01:29:43] Uh, and they go back and forth. I mean q kind of jumps all over the place tim and hunter are also allegedly part of this journey six alliance

[01:29:52] But tim isn't really willing to cut ben because he's sort of his number one

[01:29:56] uh

[01:29:58] This seems like a group that could have all six of them work together

[01:30:02] In a in a bigger merge setting so it is tough for them where

[01:30:06] You know, it's all people that they like and that they get along with so now they have to choose someone but from yonny's perspective guys

[01:30:13] Do we think that going tim was the right move and like what sort of stuck out stuck stuck out in the dynamics of this group?

[01:30:23] I don't know if it's the right move uh because I don't want to see tim gone, but I definitely notice the q urgency

[01:30:31] Uh to want to get tim out again identifying

[01:30:36] Tim and after seeing that back and forth, but again, it just makes me think to what james said like

[01:30:41] You do want to be careful about when you want to get these threats out because if when tim is gone now

[01:30:48] I feel like it only kind of super heightens

[01:30:51] uh

[01:30:52] q's threat level because q and tim were both six too

[01:30:56] I don't think I don't think that illuminates a q

[01:30:59] I think what this does

[01:31:02] I think you had the um

[01:31:04] Green siga there were four of them remaining right or three four

[01:31:09] Now I think now there's three. I think we've watched

[01:31:13] This group that was so tight

[01:31:15] And tight lipped and not willing to say or share anything when you cross that merge and now is the time to start

[01:31:22] Being a little more lenient. Can can I ask you a question?

[01:31:25] Sure, I don't need to finish

[01:31:27] per k

[01:31:27] Oh no my bad you took a

[01:31:29] In my apologies

[01:31:31] If this like I how I want to look at these tribals is that they these groups went to tribal again

[01:31:36] Like these groups like small tribes who would be in trouble next tribal think about that from a voting perspective

[01:31:44] It didn't think about what was the right vote

[01:31:46] Or could have been the right vote or a better vote if they go again

[01:31:49] I think that ben I think they would vote ben

[01:31:52] Well, who do you think?

[01:31:53] I don't really factor that in because you know this is also a one-off

[01:31:56] So you just have to worry about getting through this rather than the long-term tribe dynamics

[01:32:00] No, no not from but from positioning wise

[01:32:03] I think what we saw on the show is that you had kenzie in position where she has tiff

[01:32:08] Now kenzie has brought in ben right so now ben has that now they built some credibility with hunter, right?

[01:32:15] Kenzie

[01:32:18] Kenzie and we kenzie is building a bond with ben ben loses to

[01:32:23] Right

[01:32:24] So now ben kenzie is getting kind of like a pseudo

[01:32:27] Plus one e type right now, you know to add to her, you know yandu numbers, right?

[01:32:33] You know the these are the things that oh

[01:32:36] No, no because they're coming back to each other and

[01:32:40] Ben's going right back to

[01:32:42] charlie and

[01:32:43] Maria

[01:32:45] That's not a majority but but it is in the sense if you think about the plus one alliance because now it seems like q you

[01:32:51] Target the plus one alliance. So now you have to think there's hunter. There's tevin. There's dr. Maria

[01:32:57] There's of course ben and charlie

[01:33:01] The plus one alliance is not really a thing

[01:33:04] But it's not really a thing but when they come back and I I would imagine that

[01:33:09] What happened?

[01:33:10] What's an excuse you need an excuse what's the excuse to go after q right think like from

[01:33:14] That's what I'm saying

[01:33:16] And what you from a number standpoint is kind of like, okay

[01:33:21] We get q has to go sometime, right?

[01:33:24] So I guess like q goes seven. I can see it being

[01:33:28] Go to the end with q

[01:33:31] Q doesn't have to go

[01:33:34] I

[01:33:37] Mean I feel what you're saying

[01:33:38] I just don't think them like the like the way survivors set up that you know

[01:33:42] Like q it reminds me a little bit of austin in the sense that you have a tight alliance and you're a bigger kind of stronger more

[01:33:49] But that personality where you're the person that everybody sees is dictating or has the illusion of dictating

[01:33:55] And you propose to big this big six and then you take out my number one, right?

[01:34:01] Does kenzie feel heard by q all the time that you see kenzie and tiff talking

[01:34:05] I'm looking at the seas being led where if you're going to have to

[01:34:09] Choose to get rid of somebody because someone has to go

[01:34:12] right

[01:34:13] then

[01:34:15] I think when you're taking out, you know

[01:34:18] When you're giving bin opportunities to go back with maria and that's three right there

[01:34:22] You only need six. It's 10 people right? You got three there, right?

[01:34:26] Now you're definitely not if you got no fans over in nomadi

[01:34:30] I mean you may have some fans there, but you kind of don't you know

[01:34:34] So at the end of the day

[01:34:35] I mean, I think q has to make sure he's still building this relationship to keep himself insulated

[01:34:40] And he's been insulated these past two votes by being immune by then also by which is with the rock draw

[01:34:47] So it's easy to make decisions when you're in a dictate when you are kind of insulated, right?

[01:34:52] Now when you're not insulated is a whole different story out there when everybody is fair game

[01:34:58] And you only need six so what i'm saying is

[01:35:01] In this group, I feel like the dynamic is different now

[01:35:06] Where I feel like ben can link up and q kinsy and tiff had more options now

[01:35:14] I

[01:35:17] Okay, so I must have uh like not seen him building with kensy, but I believe you absolutely. Um, I just think that

[01:35:25] I think he's

[01:35:28] I think he could either be now so, um frazzled that he does like start looking for these other inroads. Yeah

[01:35:35] Or I think he can go back to the to the three remaining

[01:35:40] remaining sigas but

[01:35:42] What I was trying I think what I was trying to say earlier was that like

[01:35:47] This group has now been shaken almost decimated right now. It's like all right

[01:35:53] Do we even need to keep cracking them right now or now is it time?

[01:35:59] for

[01:36:00] To start looking towards the nannies, right?

[01:36:04] We when are they gonna get some yannu blood? I mean

[01:36:07] That's something people are chillin man. They're chillin floating and they say mission atika three

[01:36:12] You think they go at the purple people with three go far. Did they mention the three?

[01:36:16] Yes, someone mentioned that in confessionals

[01:36:19] They know i'm not in these yannu people go it's like these are like you have done like bro. So who's who's who are they cutting?

[01:36:27] Q q got the least connections right now

[01:36:30] Yeah, and it's like yeah now you've cut ben's number one and

[01:36:36] We know ben is a rock star if somebody like takes out his lead bass player

[01:36:40] You think ben's gonna let that rock like no ben wants some blood

[01:36:46] Charlie was charlie once q charlie already admitted that maria is rocking with charlie. That's three right

[01:36:53] Ben ben

[01:36:55] Venus is right down anybody. That's

[01:36:58] In trouble pretty soon. I mean venus right to anybody. That's four right, okay

[01:37:03] Liz don't care about no q she got that money. That's five right now

[01:37:09] Now the other six is solid. That's great, right?

[01:37:12] Or will they say this is the opportunity to improve my my game have my five going into nine. We still have a majority

[01:37:19] I'm on board. I I agree with y'all. I think q is um

[01:37:24] I think that's a that's an easy one

[01:37:26] Sometimes that's an easy one right like I agree with you because but then also if q was going then that illuminates a lot of other

[01:37:32] Things so there is a case that

[01:37:35] Weckham will like it's gonna be the big like oh q's going

[01:37:38] All right, maybe hunter then up in the tev. Like the way the way the people left are you have a liz you have

[01:37:45] Little smaller and stature dr. Maria smaller the

[01:37:48] Tiff kinsie they're chilling right and now when you start taking out the big quote unquote big personality

[01:37:54] All of those guys that were in that that muni challenge, right start taking those guys to him

[01:37:59] Now they're going to start from a new majority and that's kind of how the new era has been going

[01:38:04] What I was thinking um

[01:38:07] I was thinking before y'all you kind of swayed my opinion, but now i'm swaying back

[01:38:11] A q and a hunter. I don't see as the big threats on this season

[01:38:15] I see them as big people

[01:38:17] right I see the big threats as

[01:38:20] Those people sitting back strategizing like the

[01:38:25] And and and I see those people looking at the big threats that are the big social people

[01:38:31] Okay, so when when I think of a q and a hunter

[01:38:36] I feel like some people aren't even worried about them similar to how some people weren't even really worried about jonathan

[01:38:43] Similar to how some people weren't even worried about zander. I feel like they're just like

[01:38:49] The only difference with q's game is that q has been vocal

[01:38:53] With trying to articulate and create votes right as opposed to like bruce

[01:38:58] And he's doing at the end trying to vocalize that with anybody. I still think they got him

[01:39:03] Well, yeah, I don't think he's on a winner stock the pot

[01:39:06] He's just hard to pull to the end because it's like q's it's a q's way or the highway

[01:39:10] So that's that's a harder person to just take with you and people want to feel like they have agency playing the game

[01:39:16] Like so even if their agency is a bad move

[01:39:19] Right, you know like I think my vote was a bad move but people wanted to have agency right

[01:39:23] People that want to play the game when I have agency

[01:39:25] So you come to venus like oh you want some agency you want to take out q what you think she's gonna say

[01:39:30] That's what I've been saying the whole time

[01:39:32] So like that like, you know people that may not have had as much influence like oh you want to make this move

[01:39:38] Okay, cool. Let's let's let's play now. I don't want you to go home. I don't I don't I don't want it to happen

[01:39:44] I just feel like when you start eliminating people like yourself or that are considered from will

[01:39:50] I'm tim was considered a strategist q considered himself a strategist considering some

[01:39:54] People right tim was in a dominant position in his tribe people are then q the dominant position in the stride

[01:39:59] So when you make that target within your season that archaeo site

[01:40:02] That's that that archaeo type within the season what a threat is they start going or you start seeing that happen most of the time

[01:40:09] And do you want to go to the end with a q say what you want?

[01:40:13] But we know he can spend the story

[01:40:15] We know his backstory of his family like you get q in that hot seat and you was the jury

[01:40:22] You might be like

[01:40:24] level

[01:40:25] Like huge levels like you don't want to sit next to q he can talk you're not afraid to talk

[01:40:29] I would go with you if I was

[01:40:31] If I was I think he's appealing as an exit

[01:40:35] Like like sitting next to him. What's your argument? Like homeboys delusional or homeboy didn't didn't talk to y'all

[01:40:41] I think it's a situation. Yeah, I think he is a little as far as the game goes a little

[01:40:46] Delusional and so if you're if you come in ready to

[01:40:50] Counter a lot of his arguments and you're gonna you're gonna leave him really flustered. I think where he's gonna be like, oh

[01:40:55] I controlled this just because it's like he's so upfront about things if you're doing some stuff

[01:41:00] He's got receipts right now

[01:41:01] But also people are gonna sit on that jury like man. I don't love how he talked to me

[01:41:06] Like yeah, but I don't want to vote for that guy

[01:41:09] But you don't know how the jury's gonna vote

[01:41:12] I respect like you never

[01:41:15] Get rubbed the wrong way by q like at this point. I don't think charlie sees q as a

[01:41:20] A good winner. I don't put pawn fran's on people while they were asleep and he still got the million dollars

[01:41:25] You don't know what these juries

[01:41:28] It's almost a testament to the fact that gabler was I guess compassionate

[01:41:32] And also that was more about a fact a lot of people not wanting to vote for cassidy

[01:41:37] And I'm not not wanting to vote for owens. So a lot of times especially in the new era the people that win

[01:41:42] can be a product of being the the the person the person that

[01:41:46] They'd be sitting next to people that the jurors don't want to vote for and I think there's gonna be a lot of jurors that

[01:41:52] Don't want to vote for q. I can't see really like a venus one

[01:41:55] I don't see a charlie wanting to vote for q. I don't even really see like a kenzie wanting to vote for q

[01:42:00] um

[01:42:01] I don't know I feel like

[01:42:03] I feel like kenzie's gonna make a move on q's you would have did it now

[01:42:06] I feel like you know, I feel like kenzie's fine with q

[01:42:09] I feel like sometimes when you you don't see the human moments out there sometimes and a person like q

[01:42:14] He's probably that dynamic because he is having those non dynamic moments as well

[01:42:18] Like you can have like

[01:42:20] I remember when me and cask got into an argument about voting a girl off everybody was like

[01:42:24] James you're talking down to cask, but they didn't know me and cask were like

[01:42:28] Tight buddies since day one like we had a great rapport and she felt confident enough to communicate to me in that way

[01:42:34] Then I wasn't going to take it that way and that was a sign of how tight we were on the alley

[01:42:39] So I just think q from a player's perspective and looking at the players in the game

[01:42:45] They don't want to sit next to a q or a tevin these people

[01:42:49] Are have dynamic personalities and can communicate very well

[01:42:52] Like a jam jam like like you they stuck that becomes the more threatening than

[01:42:57] a lis right

[01:42:59] Then a venus and then when the game switches from

[01:43:03] Okay, what's more threatening to my game and winning is like is venus more threatening than and this is where people start digging

[01:43:08] Who is venus more threatening than q or q or uh tevin?

[01:43:13] Nope, and then the alliances and your allegiances didn't change because you started looking at it from

[01:43:19] Well, yeah

[01:43:20] Look for the sake of time

[01:43:21] I don't want to get too into like the weeds on it

[01:43:23] But I do I'm just saying I think I line a little bit more with wendell and that

[01:43:26] I don't think q is a huge threat to win

[01:43:29] But I do agree that I think he will probably go pretty soon because

[01:43:32] He's such an assertive force that it's like even if you're happy to go to the end with him

[01:43:36] You're gonna have to do that under q's plan. So if he's just kind of a hard person to work with

[01:43:41] similar to first noble

[01:43:46] I'm dead. Sorry in the last podcast somebody

[01:43:50] In the comments said one thing when they're going to is bring up chris noble

[01:43:57] I'm dead. That's why I did it. That's why I did it. Okay. Okay

[01:44:02] That's why I did it

[01:44:04] So they do go they do go tim

[01:44:07] Uh, I think for me, I think the lesson to be learned at both of these tribals

[01:44:14] I feel like

[01:44:16] more so for this um soda though than the timbo

[01:44:19] But I feel like

[01:44:21] People sort of made a move to make a move

[01:44:24] I think they

[01:44:25] Decided to keep the devil they know rather than the devil

[01:44:28] They don't which would be not that bad not bad necessarily being the devil they know but

[01:44:33] They they had people that they were working with like a tim and a soda

[01:44:38] Who were also, you know kind of playing an independent game?

[01:44:41] But I ultimately think tim had a lot of loyalty to this yonu group

[01:44:45] And I think that soda had a lot of loyalty to tevin and liz and hunter

[01:44:50] And I think they made a move because they didn't want, you know allies going and doing other things

[01:44:56] You know, they they're like, okay. We know where venus is at. She's not with us. She's not really with anybody

[01:45:01] Uh, but ultimately I I didn't really love either of these moves because I think

[01:45:06] you you keep

[01:45:07] Your your numbers even if the numbers aren't 100% with you those are options for you rather than

[01:45:12] Getting rid of some options that you're not sure where they're at but keeping options

[01:45:16] That you know aren't really with you

[01:45:18] But the question I wanted to wrap up this tribal is hunter, you know goes into this tribal with an idol

[01:45:25] I think it's very easy given how it played out to say, okay, great. He didn't play as idol

[01:45:29] But I was definitely thinking in a moment. I'm like

[01:45:31] Hey, you know, it's either gonna be you or a sega

[01:45:35] And I think there's an added element of like this determines whether you make the jury or not

[01:45:39] and

[01:45:40] You know, that might be small, but I think I'd be really tempted to be like, okay

[01:45:44] If it's me or someone else

[01:45:46] Maybe I think it's more likely gonna be tim

[01:45:48] But maybe I just play it secure my spot in the final 10 and a spot on the jury

[01:45:53] Uh

[01:45:54] Which you know, you obviously want to play to win but making the jury is a big step and also

[01:45:59] Helps your chances to even come back in the future season just being able to sit on the jury. So

[01:46:04] Do we think hunter of of course he ultimately made the right decision?

[01:46:07] But in the moment where you guys thinking hey, he should play as idol or should hold it

[01:46:12] I feel like if he plays his idol this round, he probably goes home next round

[01:46:19] From a from a from a from a standpoint of

[01:46:24] Like you didn't raise your level that you had this idol

[01:46:27] You don't need the idol so you played the idol wrong right or quote unquote wrong

[01:46:30] Even though I'm not opposed to just playing the idol, right?

[01:46:33] You you build trust with people and if you're not getting it past this vote, you're not getting past next vote, right?

[01:46:39] So they when this small tribe everybody's like, yo, we try to vote you out

[01:46:43] Use your idol get through it

[01:46:45] You know, that means everybody from this tribal trying to vote you out and use your idol to save you and you may

[01:46:50] You get back to your people

[01:46:52] But you're still now the target is on you so people are going to be like, okay

[01:46:56] What's the easy vote and he falls in the easy vote

[01:46:59] Territory I feel like his gamble is saying if I'm he's here to play the win the game

[01:47:04] And if I can't get past this vote, I can't win this game

[01:47:07] And if I get past this vote, you know, then I have my idol and then it enhances my chance of winning this game

[01:47:13] so

[01:47:14] I agree with the sentiment of like you're playing to win right so the gamble here is like

[01:47:19] But I do think this is a unique circumstance where

[01:47:23] He's in this the tribes are divided up

[01:47:26] If he he might not be able to get past this vote because the groups are split up

[01:47:30] But if he saves himself here and then gets back to all his allies all the nomi's on the other side

[01:47:35] Absolutely, you could still reposition yourself and be alright

[01:47:38] But I do that the argument is also he might play the idol and it keeps him safe

[01:47:42] But maybe that shows the yonis that he's now trying to work with hey, I don't fully trust you

[01:47:47] So that's another added element

[01:47:48] But I still think it's a very good case to play the idol and then make sure you get back to that final

[01:47:52] And it backs your nomi people and then

[01:47:57] Set in his basement many hours or many a days with a fake idol in his pocket like

[01:48:04] Practicing what to do and I feel like it paid off and like I said before in order to win survivor

[01:48:12] You have to play the win and I think

[01:48:15] That showed that right here, right?

[01:48:17] Him not playing it is a huge move. It's more beneficial for him moving forward than him pulling his idol out and playing it tonight

[01:48:24] So I definitely think for me it has raised my watch level on my hunter and again

[01:48:32] I'm hunter is a survivor fan. Yeah, and I'm turning into a

[01:48:36] Dove and this dove sees the hunter. So come find me

[01:48:41] Yeah

[01:48:42] I do think that maybe this yonin group is pretty like with q at the at the helm

[01:48:47] I feel like hunter probably did get a good sense that he was probably safe because q feels like a pretty straightforward person

[01:48:54] Uh, so with that read in mind, I definitely think it's great that he was able to hold the idol

[01:48:59] But yeah, I mean, I definitely think it's it would have been tough to to hold that when you know

[01:49:03] It's either you're gonna be you or a sega

[01:49:06] It'll be fun to see when q has to really start lying in the game

[01:49:10] I mean we've seen him uh in the confessionals whether he's lying or telling the truth

[01:49:15] But uh, but also to hunter real quick, uh, brice to your hunter. Um

[01:49:22] He got through with an idol he's very strong. He can win some immunities. He has great alliances

[01:49:29] This is one of those people

[01:49:31] We should watch out for that especially with

[01:49:36] So many other types of threats being in the game

[01:49:39] Why yes, yes, this is why I I love to tell window why I like his season two is that

[01:49:44] He like if window played a new era right just from a physicality personality standpoint

[01:49:52] He would be a person that would be considered a standout a physical threat

[01:49:57] Super social but then but windows he's he had a seabass. He had him. He had a mic

[01:50:01] He had he had these yeah, Chris noble Chris noble

[01:50:05] You had these big personalities who were also athletic who were kind of like windows so window didn't just be the six two person that he is

[01:50:13] Like

[01:50:15] Six four if you're doing survivor stats

[01:50:17] Thank you

[01:50:19] So and that's why it's so important to look at the people you're with and for hunter to have a q

[01:50:24] A tevin even like just people that are similar and I'd say they're equals or x y z

[01:50:29] But just similar from a and tevin being your your your social

[01:50:34] Shield and partner. I think that gives you a couple of votes with the idol

[01:50:39] So that gives you three votes. You only had to get the four from six right and when it you build immunity

[01:50:45] You know so I feel like that's the thing we are looking at game now

[01:50:49] It's very a lot shorter than people think it really is where you have these first two votes

[01:50:53] You get the 10

[01:50:56] You said it's a lot shorter than what people say it is I said no tim

[01:51:00] yo

[01:51:01] That's crazy. Yo, that because survivor thing

[01:51:04] Like no tim

[01:51:07] Give you a fair one of that because it's a vibrant thing

[01:51:09] People will be like if that becomes a new no cap like yeah, yo, I'm out here killing the challenges. No tim

[01:51:15] No cap is no is no q

[01:51:19] Yo, no no

[01:51:22] No, I got I got ups on the basketball court. No, no, no, oh

[01:51:29] bro

[01:51:32] They try to go on survivor like this isn't tender you could

[01:51:37] No, I mean

[01:51:39] They do like they want to make sure teams are as equal as possible

[01:51:42] You know, like they're trying to figure those things out

[01:51:45] But now I don't know around now so that they give you

[01:51:48] Bigger people with your with your team. No, let me tell you want to know some some behind the scenes this

[01:51:53] They thought I was super fat, yo, and that's why I was on

[01:51:56] You thought I was super duper big based on my size weight proportions

[01:52:00] Because I was like well five eight 220 so if you look at you look at the five eight 220 person like

[01:52:06] Yeah

[01:52:10] Seems like he's gonna be stronger in challenges

[01:52:13] So they're gonna give him weaker trod mates

[01:52:15] So what did the strategy be maybe round down your height?

[01:52:18] They think you're gonna be worse at challenges than you are they're gonna make your challenge. They're your tribe stronger

[01:52:26] No, jack bro, you're gonna be at the sink if you ever get on the show

[01:52:29] You're gonna have to be the person they look to you have to be the the strong person of your tribe, yo

[01:52:34] I'm saying five ten

[01:52:36] Oh, oh, they gonna know it's you they're gonna. They were like, oh

[01:52:40] You feel that physical in but no

[01:52:43] No linsky

[01:52:45] but nah man, uh

[01:52:47] I'm excited for this second half and um, I think hunter is

[01:52:52] Is doing the best Austin impression he can do with trying to be as non-threatening as possible

[01:52:57] But still be athletic threat which I think is easy when you have a social butterfly as your number one

[01:53:03] Like I feel like that is how you you really position yourself if you're positioning in this game

[01:53:09] so I

[01:53:10] And I feel like that's just kind of

[01:53:12] You know what weird things dance and the question is where's the next six and where's the next majority group want to perform in?

[01:53:18] I'm excited to see it before we get into that. I mean, we still have one more boat to cover real quick

[01:53:23] We have the other beach

[01:53:25] Um, and we could be already touched on it a lot, but we could keep it ultimately they blindside soda

[01:53:31] tevin folks with soda for venus and venus sort of takes

[01:53:36] Responsibility for this, but we think that voting soda was I mean, I guess you could say the people in power here

[01:53:42] We're like kind of like a tevin. I guess you could say a maria and a charlie

[01:53:47] Was this the right

[01:53:49] Here on this

[01:53:52] From maria and charlie. Yes. Can I ask y'all a question? I mean because I watched the episode

[01:53:58] Like we're 100% sure tevin was understood. What was happening with the vote?

[01:54:04] I

[01:54:06] Think that's a good question james because I was like, all right tevin's ready to get busy

[01:54:13] Because I mean the reason why you would vote for a venus is to make it seem like you're out

[01:54:18] You're on the outs to a venus, right?

[01:54:21] Like to make her come through before the next vote with some type of deal now. So I mean

[01:54:27] I'm

[01:54:28] I want to get credit to tevin's game because I feel like it's playing a phenomenal game

[01:54:32] So it's definitely a nice move to

[01:54:35] If you like D. I think D did this a couple of times last year

[01:54:39] It's fine to be on the wrong side of the quote unquote wrong side of the vote

[01:54:42] If you know where the votes are going to lower your threat level and your stock within the groups

[01:54:47] Like even if you want to let the other group know you

[01:54:50] But it'll be good to know

[01:54:51] Based on the way the edit was that if they're gonna have an edit saying

[01:54:55] These four are gonna vote here and me and soda are gonna do here and soda's gonna go home

[01:54:58] Or something to give me that type of insight that will feel more comfortable

[01:55:02] Maybe he'll say like I voted with soda because I want her to go to the jury

[01:55:07] You know, but I do sometimes think that's where people would do a little too much because if i'm

[01:55:13] Say i'm a lids say i'm a lids and I say tevin orchestrated this vote

[01:55:18] But then he voted with soda

[01:55:20] Like the first member of the jury

[01:55:22] It seems like that's something that could really be

[01:55:26] What if he lies but

[01:55:29] I mean that could work, but you're still he might but

[01:55:34] It's a little bit uh

[01:55:37] No matter what however he comes clean or if they saw he lied or whatever

[01:55:41] It's gonna up his threat level

[01:55:43] Even if he told them yo, i'm still voting soda it's gonna up his threat level

[01:55:49] I mean, I think you just

[01:55:51] You just tevin you just dropped and I love you tevin you know this but from my perspective and I

[01:55:57] We don't see what happens out there. We see the edit, but it looks like you just dropped a bomb on your

[01:56:03] On one other option of alliances for you a little early. That's what it looks like from an outsider's perspective

[01:56:09] And it's gonna up his threat level

[01:56:11] I don't think he's as in trouble as

[01:56:14] Like for other reasons as you guys said earlier

[01:56:17] But I do think this situation where he's almost making like too good of a move

[01:56:21] But it's the final 12. So you don't you don't need to do that. Oh, yeah, you could just kind of go with

[01:56:26] Like like I said, it's it's tough

[01:56:29] Everybody because they're casting like people that want to play the game

[01:56:33] is very tough to

[01:56:36] To do what a jam jam did like to really just roll with it

[01:56:41] When you do have the power like when jam jam had the ability to blow up the whole like idle play

[01:56:46] XYZ

[01:56:48] Having that power to know that and want to do something especially if you've been losing

[01:56:53] Is a lot and to be able to have that restraint to not do something is the new sewer power

[01:56:57] I think it's survivor is to take that information and and have restraint

[01:57:02] And be able to then let the chest fall where they fall because that's how the winners are

[01:57:07] Are winning nowadays, you know, you make your moves when you have to not because you want to

[01:57:13] And power good call James

[01:57:17] I do think soda like has shown that maybe tevin is her number one

[01:57:21] Right. So tevin has every right to be worried about soda down the line

[01:57:26] But it's like why not just get rid of avinas who's shown that she just doesn't really rock with you

[01:57:31] Over someone who could be a really valuable asset for you. It's like sure soda's playing a social game

[01:57:36] But I mean even the fact that you're the one in control of this vote

[01:57:40] Probably should show to you that you do have more

[01:57:44] Control and agency then soda does so maybe you don't be as worried as

[01:57:49] I'm so high on tevin though. So oh, yeah

[01:57:52] I'm high on tevin and that's just something to think about when when you are playing like the game if you do go out there is that

[01:57:59] Like because you just because you can make a vote doesn't mean you should make a vote

[01:58:03] and

[01:58:04] uh

[01:58:05] It kind of just thinking about that in the sense of yeah, you know one last note

[01:58:11] I said that um that how they flashed to tevin and he was like no, that's my move at the end. He didn't really say too much

[01:58:18] That could also I said that that could be what leads to him like claiming the move and getting voted out

[01:58:24] That could also be what leads to him sitting at the end and flashing back to that move. Hey soda

[01:58:30] That was my move. I put you on the jury. I voted with you

[01:58:35] And you're about to get all of these jurors to vote for me to win this game

[01:58:38] Until they go back to the jury and spoil that story until you get the pond of rules

[01:58:43] I would be surprised if he claimed it because then it's like well, then why even bother voting was so right if you're gonna claim it

[01:58:49] in front of everybody

[01:58:51] Uh, so I'm more on with you one on like that other option of

[01:58:55] letting venus take this ownership

[01:58:57] And secretly be like all right me and my people would we know it was us but venus could go think she's

[01:59:03] In a hot like in the in the driver's seat

[01:59:06] Um, but yeah, I mean, I think tevin's got a lot of

[01:59:09] Game to bring I thought this was a little bit early

[01:59:12] But I'd I like seeing tevin like play it hard and do some really creative

[01:59:17] Uh, some really creative stuff and it feels like yeah just to put a pin in it

[01:59:22] Now it feels like the season's starting to ramp up a little bit

[01:59:24] I thought this was the best episode of the season and now I think we have a lot of strong players

[01:59:28] A lot of strong alliances left in the game

[01:59:30] And you know with the benefit of the 90 minutes is all these players have a little bit more of a story

[01:59:34] So it's going to be more impactful as they start to go out

[01:59:38] Um, and I think there's a lot of players who could potentially take it home, which is exciting

[01:59:43] Last question two gut punches with those vote outs by the way on the rewatch like I was teary-eyed for both of them

[01:59:50] I mean, I don't car people getting voted out. However, what I will say is jack

[01:59:55] I like what you said that everybody has a chance to win

[01:59:58] Which I said what which I say about threats in general

[02:00:01] Everybody in this final 10 has a path towards winning

[02:00:05] about

[02:00:06] don't

[02:00:09] James is right everyone has a path to winning and what everyone does have a path to is

[02:00:16] uh, in my opinion

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