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[00:02:41] Hello, hello and welcome to the Purple Pants Podcast Survivor News edition.

[00:02:45] Episode 370. What's y'all talking about? I serve as your humble and also gracious host,

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[00:03:26] week's recap. I am joined this week by the baby boy Jack Ackins from Netflix, The Circle Season 2,

[00:03:34] and we have from survivor season 43. Noel Lambert joining us this week. We are getting into

[00:03:42] everything. Episode 5, we're talking about Y'all news immunity win. We're talking about the meat

[00:03:48] shield. We're talking about gyms moves and what happened. So you are definitely in for a treat

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[00:04:21] time and we've got a lot of surprises for you. So let's get into this week's survivor news.

[00:04:33] Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News.

[00:04:55] And we are back this week with your survivor news and of course you know if we do

[00:05:00] do on Survivor News, we have to have the baby boy the jack to the acons fresh off of his fight

[00:05:05] and lost Vegas. How are we doing Jack? Good. A lot of people thought I wasn't gonna be here after that

[00:05:12] fight for this episode but I'm happy to say we survived. We put up a decent effort and now we're back

[00:05:18] in the ring with Bryce and Noel to talk some. Did you win? No, but I was not like me. I need the video.

[00:05:28] It's out today. I'm waiting for it to uh to drop. It's not a say my best moment but

[00:05:37] you know we got to get that bag regardless so. Right. I barely trained in my opponent apparently trained

[00:05:44] a lot but I still made things interesting so that was it was a lot of fun. Yeah well we're proud of

[00:05:50] Jack okay he won the moment he stepped into the ring. Now let's also welcome to back to the Purple

[00:05:57] Pants podcast. I believe she currently is a world record or United States right and older

[00:06:04] okay because in my heart it's the world. Yes. The books in the United States for the long jump.

[00:06:11] Let's welcome season 43 Noel Lambert back to the pie. Hello hello so excited to be back

[00:06:18] and for having me. So have you if I would have known that you were practicing for a long jumping

[00:06:23] I you know Noel been long jumping hose okay for years girl I'm gonna I'm gonna told you some tips.

[00:06:32] Oh my god well it was actually funny because recently Mark my fiance came to long jump practice with me

[00:06:39] you know your favorite person uh Bryce and you know I was I taught him how I was like these are

[00:06:45] your marks not expecting him and he literally in the first jump he beat me I was just like all right

[00:06:50] whatever you have two legs I don't want to talk about it. Shout out to Mark we love Mark as well

[00:06:57] how have you liked before we get into this episode Noel thoughts on the season thus far.

[00:07:03] Thoughts on the season so I really like it I know that like in the beginning can be tough with

[00:07:09] you know character development and like exciting and flashy moves um but I think I mean especially

[00:07:16] last night's episode it's finally like you're starting to see the gameplay you know it's really tough

[00:07:21] watching week after week and watching one tribe struggle really hard um because you know you just

[00:07:27] feel for them and you're just like that sucks like I can't even imagine so it's just like every every

[00:07:32] episode you were hoping but I think the characters are great I think they did a great job casting and

[00:07:37] I'm just I'm I'm excited for it to keep going because you know in the beginning I was like all right

[00:07:43] this is a little slow but you know I mean my season was obviously a little slow as well it's

[00:07:48] just like everybody else so now it's finally starting to get into like the nitty gritty

[00:07:53] and we got to see some great game moves in last night's episode so it just gets me more excited

[00:07:58] for the season and yeah last thought what was your thought when god blindsided by new

[00:08:06] when who blindsided when you know I mean that's like the one thing you I just don't think he should

[00:08:19] have done but I love but I actually got to meet banu last night at us all party and he was

[00:08:28] just like in like you would see in the sea he was so he was so incredibly had a great light to him

[00:08:35] you know he was very emotional and like grateful for like the experience but you know I mean

[00:08:42] you can't blame god for your own mistakes because you just the whole time you were every everything

[00:08:50] that he was doing it was like why are you telling these people and then like giving yourself up

[00:08:55] like that makes no sense um but yeah I thought that was hilarious I mean when he got down on his

[00:09:01] knees I was like wow like this is getting serious but all loved to banu you know he did a great job

[00:09:09] he did the best that he could do and you know his at least I mean he still came out of it with

[00:09:15] the great experience which is all that matters we love it we love banu here so Jack what you got

[00:09:22] for us this week yeah I mean we get we kick off the episode coming back to yanu after they lose

[00:09:30] banu and I mean they're really just kind of talking about how miserable they are after losing all

[00:09:37] these challenges and still not having fire really not having any food cue says that he's

[00:09:42] considered in quitting but then in confessional he also says the hat uh he sort of is just saying

[00:09:48] that to keep Kenzie on her toes uh I mean I got first and foremost guys do we think cue was actually

[00:09:56] considering quitting or doing things as a part of his strategy so on my season season 28 uh we had

[00:10:04] a typhoon and so you know I was only out there for 11 days but it rained for three days nonstop

[00:10:12] like no sun just nothing but rain and I can remember being pooled for confessional and I remember

[00:10:18] they're them asking me like how are you doing what do you think it and I'm like

[00:10:22] if no sun comes out tomorrow uh we could pack this up so I really think that in that moment

[00:10:29] cue could have potentially been serious serious about that because when you are just

[00:10:34] socking soaking wet your underwear your socks your clothes no food no nothing like I really do

[00:10:40] think that uh it gets the best of you and him even saying that that's like the second time

[00:10:45] that QS said that you know I love me some cue shut out to the cue pillow uh but it just makes me again

[00:10:52] I go back to jolensky uh and the hourglass and was it really jolensky or could it have been cue

[00:11:00] that's just kind of what I think a little bit yeah I mean when he said that I was just like oh my

[00:11:07] god I swear to god if this happens but I think with the mentality that cue has you know just being

[00:11:13] your competitor I don't think I think I think what he said with you know saying it's a Ken Z to

[00:11:20] kind of throw her off is kind of like a little bit smart um so like it doesn't because in the back

[00:11:26] of her mind she it's putting you know her at ease because she's saying okay well maybe we don't

[00:11:31] have to go to tribal maybe he'll just quit or something like that so I could never see someone

[00:11:37] like you doing it because he's been such a fighter up until this point uh when it came out of his

[00:11:41] mouth I was just like this can't be real but I can't imagine multiple days in a row with rain

[00:11:49] we did it luckily my season like it rained it did rain but it didn't rain multiple days in a row

[00:11:55] and I always think back to you know your season and like other seasons were just for days

[00:12:02] and I remember waking up just after one night it was pouring rain and everything was soaked

[00:12:07] and I was freezing and I couldn't I'm like just that one moment I was freaking out and it rained for

[00:12:13] just for one night so it does put things into perspective and it makes it really makes you think

[00:12:18] because it really breaks you down to your core and that's when you learn the type of person you are

[00:12:24] and if you can actually battle through it right I'm in between on cue because I agree he's a

[00:12:31] competitor I don't think he would quit the game but I do think him going to confessional on saying

[00:12:37] all this stuff was probably but you know maybe the producer asking questions was like

[00:12:42] so you mentioned earlier you were thinking about quitting and then he was probably like no no no no

[00:12:46] no no no yeah I don't want to call it a whole strategy whereas maybe in the moment and sometimes

[00:12:51] I'm sure you joke you're like if it keeps raining you could get me up out of here and it's like

[00:12:56] you might not actually mean it but you might be you know not feeling your best um but was it a good

[00:13:01] strategy I don't think saying you want to quit is ever really a smart strategy uh more on this

[00:13:08] topic and I mean no well on your season your starting trial did lose quite a few challenges

[00:13:14] when you're in that headspace of like you're losing a lot of challenges and then you're adding

[00:13:19] in these factors like they don't have flint they don't it's really rainy is there anything

[00:13:25] that you think they could be doing to an obviously later in the episode we see finally they get

[00:13:30] a win but in this moment is there anything they could actively be doing to sort of write this

[00:13:34] ship is there anything that could be changing around camp about their attitudes about their

[00:13:38] approach to challenges that could help them stop this sinking ship or is it just one of those

[00:13:44] things where the momentum is so bad that they're kind of just in desperate situation until they

[00:13:50] swap or they merge yeah I mean it's tough because you want to think that like there there must be

[00:13:57] something but you can't like force a group of people to like bond or like coming up with these

[00:14:02] different things and that was never our issue like when we would lose we would go back to camp and

[00:14:08] like we I loved every single person on my tribe like and I remember Cody just always joking around

[00:14:15] and like yeah it sucked because nobody wanted to go to tribal nobody wanted to stay up that late

[00:14:20] everyone just wanted to go to bed when the sun went down but we would always lock in before

[00:14:26] challenges and I really think it's just a momentum thing and it's really just you know like what

[00:14:30] can we be doing better um and talking about people's strength I mean I was talking to Bruce

[00:14:38] Lassline he was saying you know before every single challenge we had it mapped out like what I'm

[00:14:42] just like it's really tough to do that when you don't exactly know what you're doing and you do get

[00:14:47] a scroll like you get a little bit of a hint but you you don't know exactly what you're doing so

[00:14:52] I don't know for me I'm we didn't we we got Flint and from the first challenge and then we got to

[00:15:00] take it away from us and we didn't have fire I mean not as long as you know they didn't have fire but

[00:15:06] we didn't have fire for you know seven days I think and it was honestly like in our heads we were

[00:15:12] like we don't have any food to cook anyways like it's not like we need it's not like we need

[00:15:16] the fire like we have a machete we can eat coconut so it was mostly just like a motivation thing

[00:15:23] with you know like we need to get going um especially after losing NECA and losing you know our

[00:15:30] second or third challenge in a row we were just like we're not losing we're done and we would

[00:15:34] just lock in like from the second we left the island to go to to go to the challenge we were

[00:15:39] just like and I just I could always hear Cody like just talking to himself and it would just

[00:15:44] light a fire within me and I was like okay this is awesome like we're all gonna go to bat for

[00:15:48] each other and yeah but it's it's tough with you know with the morale down and especially

[00:15:56] if you're like them and just continuously like I can't imagine not having a machete

[00:16:01] for how many days was it nine or eleven I mean eleven yeah how are they even eating a coconut

[00:16:08] like it's very difficult to open up a freaking coconut with a machete so how are they doing it

[00:16:14] without one is very impressive and I just think that deserves recognition alone um because you're

[00:16:22] thinking I mean one what we were thinking of too and what I found out afterwards is that these

[00:16:27] other tribes um on my season they were I mean they were eating at the blue tribe they had all

[00:16:35] that all these different food on the island that they could find so they were eating like three

[00:16:39] meals a day we were only eating coconut and so it was just like when that happens you're not fueling

[00:16:46] yourself it's tough I also think it's like a mind trick right uh if you are the tribe that is not

[00:16:53] eating does not have flint and these other tribes are thriving when you actually do pull out a W

[00:17:00] and the other tribe loses I feel like it's it's the momentum completely shifts oh yeah and

[00:17:07] I love that as a viewer uh I always wish that the momentum would shift the little quote like a

[00:17:13] little farther away from the merge then right at the merge but yeah I also love the the mind trick

[00:17:18] that it does uh another thing that I thought was really interesting that I think you brought up

[00:17:23] was Kinsey every time Kinsey comes around uh with Tiffany and Q uh they'd be like what y'all

[00:17:31] talking about and to be like Salman what y'all talking about uh we talk like I I thought that's

[00:17:36] funny right but I also think in real life like that's actually good-ish on Kinsey though right especially

[00:17:44] if it's only three of y'all especially if you know that Tiffany and Q are a tight knit I feel like

[00:17:53] one of the my biggest mistakes on uh Kagiyaan was that like I didn't ask enough questions right

[00:17:58] like I was see stuff going down and I would just like watch it from afar so I love the fact that

[00:18:03] Kinsey has established like anytime I pull up on y'all what y'all talking about because one you

[00:18:08] expect it and two is like I'm gonna interject myself into every conversation so when Q first said

[00:18:16] it I was like oh no Kinsey no no but the more I think about it it's like I'm not mad at Kinsey like

[00:18:22] what's poppy what y'all talking about yeah I'm glad he said that Bryce because I thought the same

[00:18:31] thing I was it kind of remind me of uh edge of extinction where they they showed the sequence

[00:18:36] of Aubrey being like we should start a dialogue and that how they kind of made fun of her for

[00:18:40] that but for this I'm like that's a pretty normal thing to do like if I remind you sometimes

[00:18:46] you know you're at like a party and maybe you don't know that many people and you see your friend

[00:18:50] talking to someone that you don't really know I feel like it's pretty normal to go or be like oh

[00:18:54] what do you guys chat about like and then that it's better than just going over it just kind of

[00:18:58] standing there quietly waiting for so I'm like what is she supposed to do like you join a conversation

[00:19:04] you want to know what's being discussed so you can you know hop in on it uh so it was funny that

[00:19:10] they showed her doing kind of like the same exact way every time but again I'm not mad at it either Bryce

[00:19:16] I think that's a very reasonable I'm gonna go out of limb and say she didn't even realize she was

[00:19:20] doing it okay and it was just like a social key like it's just like okay I'm I need to go and

[00:19:25] just make sure that I'm still having conversations so what's what's the best way to just interrupt

[00:19:30] a conversation what are you guys talking about like I like it I didn't I thought it was I thought

[00:19:35] it was hilarious and props to how they edited it because it was it was really funny it was funny

[00:19:41] because even the way they edit it right uh Tiffany would all Tiffany's response will always be so quick

[00:19:48] right so quick me as a viewer I'm all like suspicious right where they actually talking where they

[00:19:55] actually talking ish uh because Tiffany was like on it so good but again to you future survivors

[00:20:03] bust up the conversations walk up on them don't let stuff happen and you're just a spectator

[00:20:10] well yeah it's also a great job on Tiffany's part because she's making her feel comfortable like

[00:20:14] she and she's answering right away so she always had something like I'm really into that that's a great

[00:20:21] social game in itself with Tiffany and just being able to kind of because I like know that feeling

[00:20:27] like someone comes or like say if you're talking about someone and then they come and they're like

[00:20:31] and then you just immediately switch the subject because you don't want them to hear where you

[00:20:34] are actually saying or make it look suspicious so I thought that was I thought that was brilliant on

[00:20:38] tiff's part yeah I think that can be a very telling thing and survivors when you do walk up on

[00:20:44] a conversation even from like the the game that we did together Bryce you kind of learn you know

[00:20:49] if you show up and you're like what's up guys and they're just like oh we're just talking about how

[00:20:52] hungry we are it's like okay you were probably talking about something else and you don't have

[00:20:57] an actual answer for me it was probably about me or if someone you know you walked to someone

[00:21:03] up to someone before tribal you're like what are you guys talking about this like always talking

[00:21:08] about options for the vote or whatever it's like what do you think you know but so yeah it's nice

[00:21:15] of Tiffany to be quick on her toes and like give her something that seems maybe it was what

[00:21:20] it like yeah that's the nice thing is we don't know because she did such a good job of

[00:21:24] coming up with something whether it was the truth or not the truth I also love that like

[00:21:29] because you're not gonna gotta talk issue a cue I love how cute never said anything right

[00:21:33] like you was just like okay okay

[00:21:41] cute what are you doing again good on Tiffany for reading the room because like I'm sure it's

[00:21:48] Tiffany was like cue ain't gonna say nothing so but uh but yeah that was funny

[00:21:54] when we kick it over to the Seiga tribe the green tribe I mean we see Charlie and Ben

[00:22:00] are continuing to bond and even though their tribe's been winning they're still enduring these

[00:22:04] elements that we see y'all new going through of the tough weather and that's bringing Charlie and Ben

[00:22:09] close together um wish also causes some concern for the girls that maybe they're losing Charlie

[00:22:15] to Ben but other than that we also see you know some fun salsa dancing going on on the beach

[00:22:23] a lot of what we've seen from Seiga is just these little funny moments that are completely not

[00:22:28] strategy related uh I don't know what did you guys think of this did you guys ever do any dancing out on

[00:22:35] the island no yeah I don't know if I did any dancing I thought it was hilarious with Tim bringing up

[00:22:44] the fact that he has not gone number two uh and you know he was waiting I think that that also was

[00:22:50] a disappointment of mine on Survivor where I always heard of Aqua dumping so I was like oh like

[00:22:55] you know a new experience but you forget when you're on Survivor and you're eating so little uh

[00:23:02] your body isn't producing much waste uh I think they are spot on with Ben like right every episode

[00:23:11] every time we get to see more of Ben I just love Ben right like he's just like the cutest

[00:23:17] little like just how he talks just how short he is just how like upbeat and positive he is

[00:23:23] and I think that they're right to identify him as a target because you could be a physical threat

[00:23:29] but also a social threat and a social threat in the way that Ben is where it's like he's just

[00:23:35] funny he's like lighthearted not necessarily always talking about game I think that that is

[00:23:42] such a threat that isn't talked about enough and so um I love to see him and Charlie but it does make

[00:23:48] me a little nervous and y'all know I love Dr. Maria and so when we get to this part

[00:23:55] I gotta I feel like I don't know Dr. Maria what is she doing uh because I am not happy how

[00:24:02] this episode ended because I feel like Dr. Maria gave up some power

[00:24:11] yeah I mean we can get more into that as the you know we get into the vote but uh it was definitely

[00:24:16] Charlie definitely was able to make himself the the center of the action this this episode um

[00:24:23] one and that obviously he and Maria were in the swing position that kind of bring them

[00:24:27] the other thing that happens in the sequence of Tim is very suspicious of Gem and Gem says she

[00:24:34] thinks she's doing a great job of lying she's not even smiling like she does when she lies back home

[00:24:39] so uh but now there's this kind of this Tim versus Gem few throwing on and of course we know

[00:24:45] Charlie and Maria are in the middle before even that though right uh I clutch my pearls when

[00:24:52] they're like sitting by the sand and I don't know if it's Tim or Charlie but someone's like if someone

[00:24:57] actually felt uh the idol and hit it and making us search for two days like that's not cool

[00:25:06] I would be pissed if that with me it like someone did that and I like came to the conclusion of oh my

[00:25:13] god someone just buried this and made us look I would be livid and I would be trying to find you

[00:25:19] out who it was and I wouldn't let it go I would literally like talk about it because my thing is like

[00:25:26] I think Gem Gem I don't I don't know if Gem did that like I think she was just trying to be funny

[00:25:32] and like maybe just oh like let's do a joke let's make every and then she thought that everyone

[00:25:38] forget about it like no look but why would somebody stop looking for a beware advantage

[00:25:45] if they found it you know what I mean so I was just confused by the whole thing as a whole when she

[00:25:50] did it and I'm thinking are you not looking long-term like are you not because people aren't going to

[00:25:55] stop looking for this thing it's survivor like nobody's just gonna find it be like oh it's not

[00:26:00] underwear okay let's stop digging that's not how it's how it's gonna work so right when she did

[00:26:06] that I was like this just blew up her game I said it last episode I was just like why would you do

[00:26:13] this it makes no sense it doesn't it doesn't it's not like a it's it's not like it was actually in

[00:26:19] the actual hidden idol or like a fake idol because if that was the case brilliant like and if you can

[00:26:24] get that if you can do that and another thing I don't like I don't know if it's like a new

[00:26:28] error thing but like when someone plants a fake idol why do they try to get the whole group to go

[00:26:34] looking so that one person can find it while everyone's looking you know what I mean like if I

[00:26:40] if I were to ever try to plan a fake idol I would plant it very obviously and then I would just

[00:26:46] walk away and I wouldn't say anything to anybody and I'd wait for someone to get it and then

[00:26:50] that because then I would be like okay I don't even know who has this one when they play it could be

[00:26:54] even that much funnier it's something like that you know what I mean like I don't like the group

[00:26:58] idol hunts I hate it when we when we did it on my season I just I pulled the Maria I

[00:27:06] no not Maria sorry I pulled the Liz when she's sitting in the shelter I'm done that's literally

[00:27:13] that was me I because I already had assumed somebody you know you found it I was like somebody

[00:27:18] I thought Cody had found it very early on so I was like I'm not looking I'm not wasting my energy

[00:27:23] not wasting my time you guys go have some fun well I'm really glad that you had this

[00:27:29] opinion about gems move because I said the same thing last episode and I saw so many people online

[00:27:37] last week say oh this this bumps gems up gems stock winner stock up so much what a great move I mean

[00:27:45] I saw shout-out to I think it's survivor fact checker on Instagram they do like a weekly player

[00:27:50] of the week vote gem one that vote last week and oh she did yeah there's as Bryce knows there's

[00:27:57] nothing I love more than being proven right on the Perpet Pants podcast and this week I think proved

[00:28:04] exactly everything I said last week about why this was not a good move proved all of those things

[00:28:10] right so I'm a I'm a disagree with y'all right like I feel like it was a good move right I also

[00:28:16] feel like it snowballs a little bit right in the sense of because how does she pivot out of this

[00:28:24] right so say we don't know what happens right and this mounted tension has mounted how does she get

[00:28:31] out of it though like right so there's nothing that she could necessarily do that's why it's a bad

[00:28:36] move but no but no but listen but listen y'all I feel like the move was good I feel like her execution

[00:28:46] and I don't feel as though she read the room enough because if she could have if she would have

[00:28:51] played her idol and got bent out or something I think her stock would have went up even how absolutely

[00:28:58] you know but I actually disagree because look I get what you're saying I think on like in a vacuum

[00:29:05] that move of the planting it whatever could be a move that works out well for somebody

[00:29:10] but I think here a like you said she worked herself into a corner and how does she get out of it

[00:29:16] be the problem is as soon as she plays her idol everyone's gonna know that she was the one who

[00:29:20] planted the the where advantage and then lied about it to everybody and like no else said I think

[00:29:25] it's kind of minor but if I was digging for two days and you're lying to my face that you didn't

[00:29:30] press right there I'd be like okay that's the game but like also you just wasted like two days

[00:29:35] of my time and I know that you're willing to do sneaky stuff and just lie to everyone's face about

[00:29:40] it so I think even if gem plays an idol this episode correctly I still think she's very short for the game

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[00:31:59] investing in America. And it just circles back to like last episode it's like the analogy I made

[00:32:11] and this is so stupid it's like say you you've tuted and it doesn't smell right and but then you're

[00:32:19] like oh I don't want to anyone to know that I tuted let me spray fart spray in the room

[00:32:26] and everyone's going to smell it and be like oh who did that and they might be like okay bristed

[00:32:31] it but they might be like oh jacked it and then now it's now this is whole question and suspicion

[00:32:38] where it's like well if you don't say anything to begin with you're going to get away with a little

[00:32:42] two and so I feel like that sorry it's such a weird analogy but I feel like gem wanted to make

[00:32:48] and was it fun of her yes but was she overplaying and it was completely unnecessary absolutely

[00:32:54] and just to tie it all together the biggest issue I had with it last week was that this suspicion

[00:32:59] is now on Tim but if people think Tim have an idol they're not going to want to vote for him and so

[00:33:04] this idea that they had to split between Tim and Ben A would have been unnecessary if nobody

[00:33:10] was worried about an idol you wouldn't need to split and then because they don't want to vote for

[00:33:14] Tim now Ben is the primary target but people love Ben so they don't want to vote for Ben

[00:33:19] so that's how it all circles back on the gem whereas if she doesn't do this I think Tim goes

[00:33:23] but see I feel like that was Jim's a part of our plan was to put a target on Tim and Ben

[00:33:30] because people love Ben yeah we love him but he also is a target another thing I wanted to say

[00:33:35] random of random but Bryce if you want to say it's part of her plan to do that

[00:33:42] no I'm saying again I reluctantly agree with you in no way

[00:33:50] Ben it might not I think the idea was great

[00:33:55] sure the execution of yeah it was good to be it was good to be do I think she thought about it

[00:34:00] long term no I don't because I mean listen and I could 100% attest to doing something like this

[00:34:07] in like the spur of the moment be like oh my god there should be such a good idea

[00:34:11] and not think it all the way through like I would 100% do that I own that but

[00:34:15] in my and what I'm thinking of is just in her head did she just think that everyone was going

[00:34:23] to stop looking like did she just think like I thought I think it would have been brilliant

[00:34:28] for her to wait until she got the idol and then to make a fake idol and then bury do something

[00:34:35] like that that like would have been oh my god it would have been incredible but it's

[00:34:40] it's I don't know I would just like I feel like another crucial part is she should have had a

[00:34:49] partner I think if she would have had a partner in on it with her I think that could alleviate

[00:34:55] it some of the distrust or like dispersing the thought process no wait real quick because I just

[00:35:01] Jack had me think of something you're right I was growing up you know I'm the youngest of five

[00:35:06] siblings and my mom used to always buy this air air freshener for the bathroom so you know whenever

[00:35:12] someone we use the bathroom but as an adult now anytime I smell that air freshener I feel like

[00:35:21] who you like you know what I mean like I just associate that smell now with the smell

[00:35:29] it's like light it's like when you you have the stomach bug and then your parents are

[00:35:33] sparing lights all around the house now you can't even smell lights all because you'll just

[00:35:36] instantly think of throwing up I get it right yeah or you know you're going to date somebody you

[00:35:41] go to the house and like that's their air freshener that they use and you like oh my god yeah

[00:35:46] it's a good work yo how smell like

[00:35:51] but ultimately yeah no I agree with you in the fact that you know it's a fun idea could it do

[00:35:56] some good things for your game sure but I really think you're right that if you didn't think it

[00:36:00] all the way through and now we see those later repercussions that you don't think about initially

[00:36:06] of like if I play my idol they're gonna know it's me or now there's a target on people that

[00:36:12] now they're scared to vote for that could bounce the target over to me or even I said last week

[00:36:17] it's like if a Maria finds it by herself and opens it up and now she thinks she doesn't have a vote

[00:36:23] that might cause them to you know shift towards someone that they feel is like a safer option

[00:36:27] to go with and so I just feel like jump was in a good spot so it's like why are you

[00:36:33] adding these curve balls into your own game that like sure it could work but it could also make

[00:36:41] you go home yeah I can't go ahead all right do you feel like this is a new era issue where we have

[00:36:50] these players playing so hard because this also makes me think of like soda a little bit where

[00:36:57] like I love soda but I mean the edit that we're continuously getting after last week and the

[00:37:04] week before that where it's like she's great but people are like she could win like you know what

[00:37:10] I mean do you feel like if this is of the new new era like do you feel like this is not a curse

[00:37:16] but maybe a symptom of the 26 days this needs to kind of like make a mark and I think

[00:37:25] I think the thing I would diagnose associate the most with is actually just the way that they've

[00:37:29] changed casting where they're casting a lot of big fans and you know I actually think it's a very

[00:37:35] like I think the thing here is that these bigger fans are thinking about what's going to be like

[00:37:40] fun in the episode like what's gonna be entertaining television and make me maybe get more screen time

[00:37:46] and I actually don't mind that mentality from a player like Gem who is on a chart that for all

[00:37:52] intents and purposes is pretty boring gameplay wise I mean like a lot of their scenes are just like

[00:37:59] fun a whole some scenes and she's throwing this curveball in there that is now adding some

[00:38:04] layers of gameplay so for TV that's absolutely good TV and I appreciate Gem if there was more gems

[00:38:10] on survivor I think survivor would be more fun but for her personal gameplay I think she got caught

[00:38:17] up with this notion of like I also think Jack is the symptom of not going to tribal right where you

[00:38:24] aren't playing the game so much and your tribe is so combiated you have someone like a gem who's

[00:38:30] like I'm ready to play I need to make sure I have my plan A and B in place I also feel like that

[00:38:35] could be a symptom of being on a winning tribe as well totally it's a blessing in the curse

[00:38:42] of you know having 46 seasons of survivor and having all these super fans do the show I agree with

[00:38:49] you I think it like I would love to see you know half the cast not be diehard fans of survivor

[00:38:59] because I look at my season and I look at somebody like Cody Cody is not the biggest diehard

[00:39:05] survivor fan but he was if not like one of if not the only like most entertaining person on our

[00:39:12] season like the every the camera was glued to him and we had to explain a lot to him like during

[00:39:19] during the season like oh like like or like this isn't like this is how this works and blah blah blah

[00:39:25] but like I think it would just be great because it also makes it so much harder to win the game of

[00:39:32] survivor now when you when people are going on these seasons these these newer seasons every single

[00:39:38] person is a super fan so every single thing that you do is calculated like every single like

[00:39:43] and it could be looked at like oh my god okay she's smart and mean look at how much people lie

[00:39:49] about their occupations and everything it's crazy because people are just like oh I'm in I'm in

[00:39:54] sales I'll get voted off or I'm a lawyer like you can't trust me professional athlete like oh get

[00:39:59] him out so it's it just shows you like I mean it's that's what you get when you have such an

[00:40:05] incredible show go on for so long but yeah I would love to see more Cody's on the show because

[00:40:13] he was he was TV gold he was literally like 100% perfect I miss the not strategic vote outs I miss

[00:40:22] a pure emotional vote out that maybe doesn't make the best sense but it now changes the landscape

[00:40:29] of the game so like I'm with you on that no way yeah let's let's vote let's get get rid of shot in

[00:40:34] the dark first of all because I love the yeah you're going home tonight you can't you can't do

[00:40:40] anything about I think that I love cup throat like Jack responds how do you feel about Noelle

[00:40:48] statement I agree with no I thought you like shot in the dark Jack no not really no I don't I don't

[00:40:57] mind it but I he's which you know that I could play about a lot of the new era stuff probably

[00:41:04] more than right but I always thought that you felt like the shot in the dark is kind of like

[00:41:12] I think for the shot in the dark creates opportunities to like create has I think the shot in the

[00:41:17] dark on its own is not great but I think that the idea of the shot in the dark yeah it's a lot

[00:41:24] more complex absolutely and I think I add some layers to the gameplay but I do think that people

[00:41:31] it's especially if I were to be a player is like the idea of the shot the noine you will be sure

[00:41:38] like when I'm like I agree with no well it's like why do I have to worry about this like random one

[00:41:42] in six BS like um yeah like can I just tell somebody like it just makes it I mean again but it

[00:41:51] makes the game that much harder which I understand in a 26 day season like nothing is just

[00:41:56] handed to you nothing is easy nothing is as it seems like I get it I get it but I just hate it

[00:42:02] do you think they adapted do you think they made that adaptation because there are the super fans

[00:42:08] and the level of gameplay to kind of like have that's ooh what are you going to do here yeah I think

[00:42:15] I think in their head they're like well this makes it harder for people because they can't just

[00:42:19] blatantly be like I'm voting you off and there's nothing you can do about it um

[00:42:24] and I do think it makes it interesting because I mean we saw a lot season Caleb used it

[00:42:28] it was incredible but like before that it did I'm spacing was he wasn't the first person

[00:42:36] that I worked for right didn't it works from it worked with me in for me it worked with Danny it wasn't

[00:42:42] it didn't save her she was already saved yeah she was already saved so I mean it's I don't know it's

[00:42:47] tricky because it's just like I don't like it because I just hated lying like and I hated

[00:42:57] I hated just like like having to hold people's hand like before you know what I mean like not

[00:43:02] like that in that sense but like like when it was between either myself or Nekka for that third

[00:43:08] episode vote on my season like I couldn't say anything to her just because well I needed to pretend

[00:43:16] like I was going home but like I could never be like yeah like it's it's you and just risk with

[00:43:22] her using shot in the dark blah blah blah blah so it's yeah it's just time out so if there wasn't a

[00:43:29] shot in the dark you would have told Nekka no no because I love Nekka I love Nekka to death and no

[00:43:35] because it wasn't that wasn't the reason the reason why it was because I knew that you know her number

[00:43:41] ones were turning on her so like I had to pretend like I was going home and like I was like I'll

[00:43:45] play my shot in the dark and like I just I hated that but Nekka is just the greatest human on

[00:43:52] this earth I love her to death I mean that was like that was the hardest vote off I think

[00:43:58] the entire season for me personally I mean that was just it was especially because it was on

[00:44:03] Mother's Day and we were just terrible human beings but I was just like it's you or me I can't call

[00:44:09] yeah but now it's tough to what you're saying no although I think I want to like extrapolate

[00:44:16] it on it a little bit is that it's an issue that I I think myself and a lot of other people have had

[00:44:22] is that in this new era they love to throw in these kind of like gameplay twists and turns more

[00:44:29] so than anything else and obviously there's a lot of big fans of the show people that are strategic

[00:44:34] that it's sort of like let's see how they navigate it which I think in theory it's very interesting

[00:44:40] the problem is I think a lot of these twists that they throw in are actually pretty straightforward

[00:44:45] and that's something I'd like about the Beware advantages to some extent is that if you give a good

[00:44:50] player a Beware advantage I think that they can navigate it well whereas if you give a bad player

[00:44:55] a Beware advantage it allows them to like play worse I like it I like an advantage that in the hands

[00:45:02] of a great player will let them separate themselves from the pack positively but in the hands of

[00:45:07] someone bad it's gonna go poorly so as far as like Beware advantage advantages go I like those

[00:45:14] whereas the shot in the darkest sort of like you know you think you're gonna go home you just play

[00:45:19] it doesn't really take any special maneuvering it kind of reminds me also of like the hourglass where

[00:45:24] it's such a blatantly obvious thing to smash the hourglass and price this is not even a argument

[00:45:30] of like whether it should or shouldn't be in the show but just for like Erica or even I think

[00:45:34] Roxroy had it in 42 it's a no-brainer to smash it so it's not interesting to watch because you're

[00:45:40] like they're gonna smash it and even like the idle nullifier back in the day never liked it because

[00:45:47] you could just put it on whoever you want it wasn't you block who's playing it it's blocking it's

[00:45:51] blocking who with being played on and so if you want to vote someone out make sure that it works well

[00:45:56] you just I don't know if I are them whereas say we wanted Bryce out and I wanted to save Bryce

[00:46:02] and I had an idle well if I play my little for Bryce he still goes home because you know if I

[00:46:08] I would like a mechanism where it's like you have to play it on the person who's playing it so it

[00:46:12] requires some knowledge of like who has idols yeah or like knowledge is power like that

[00:46:19] that I think is a brilliant advantage it has just never been used correctly because it just I mean

[00:46:26] well it's funny because when James got it for our season he just I don't think he ever planned on

[00:46:30] using it he literally was like I'm not using it like I'm just

[00:46:35] really know that's what I love about that one though it's like I love the fact that

[00:46:40] I what I love about knowledge is power said it's not even you using it it's the fact that you

[00:46:45] have it I feel like it pages it did and it did it kept people on there I mean like we were

[00:46:52] shuffling around advantages idols like nobody had their own thing like because everyone was

[00:46:56] terrified and I'm like because it hasn't been brought back in the last couple seasons and I want

[00:47:03] it to be because I just want it to be played correctly once because I think it's a great advantage

[00:47:09] that keeps players on their toes that's self explanatory it's not that hard like there's nothing

[00:47:15] to it other than like this is the and I just pray to God that like if it ever does come back into place

[00:47:24] nobody tells anybody that they have it or they don't open it in front of everybody

[00:47:30] I think that the knowledge is power I had some thoughts about it but I think the biggest

[00:47:36] thing is I actually think maybe it came in the wrong era because in this era beware advantage

[00:47:42] especially it was in the seasons where to get the beware advantage you had to say public phrases

[00:47:48] that the people on the other tribes knew yeah I had to beware the knowledge is power

[00:47:54] everybody knew where the idols already were and so it was really an overpowered advantage that

[00:48:00] the people that had it managed to fumble spectacularly because it's obvious like

[00:48:07] hey you keep it to yourself be you know where the idols are it makes it so easy but on a season like

[00:48:14] now where the idols right now are pretty secret that I think it is more impressive to correctly play

[00:48:19] that because you really have to figure out information for yourselves yeah and it's just something to

[00:48:24] have like later down the line too like and just keep it in your pocket so I wouldn't be mad at

[00:48:29] a knowledge of power in a season where the idols are a little bit like less like 41 and 42

[00:48:35] where they had it were the most blatant seasons of like these people because they said phrases

[00:48:41] out loud that everybody knows about yeah I think if we're talking about what we are complaining

[00:48:48] about in the new era I feel like you know something that like just throws the game off completely

[00:48:54] is why even have tribal council I feel like in this new era it's like why can't we go on to

[00:48:59] honor system honestly I don't even like tribal council anymore I don't even like it I don't

[00:49:05] like watching it like because it's like it's just like smooth like Jeff I mean Jeff at like Jeff is

[00:49:15] Jeff but like I just don't like it because it's just like does it actually change people's mind no

[00:49:21] do people know what they're doing before they walk in there yes like but I mean it's part of

[00:49:26] survivor like it's there's nothing like there's no like going around tribal but I just don't even

[00:49:31] like it anymore I don't know why to your point about casting people that don't know the game as well

[00:49:36] it's kind of nice to have a banu who's gonna go to tribal and just say everything on their mind

[00:49:41] and really blow up the game um and we've talked about that sort of element of casting a lot

[00:49:46] on these survivor news and we and I love that right like which is why again back to the point

[00:49:52] that we already have made but I'm gonna say it again why I love a chaotic player like a bonding

[00:49:56] right because you could have these strategic players that are got oh we're going to move this

[00:50:02] and move that then you have a bonding who spills everything now it's like well how really good

[00:50:06] of a player are you like can you divert can you call a audible can you switch it around like

[00:50:11] that's like that's why I love players like you name question yeah but I like that we digress into

[00:50:19] that sort of bigger advantage conversation but now we're over on Nami and hunter finds the

[00:50:26] beware advantage that I guess random you know I forgot that random had it initially but he left with

[00:50:31] it so I got re-hidden and also Venus funny moment just tells hunter to his face like you're a really

[00:50:39] good meet you but I'm not gonna vote you out. Oh let's have love her I believe you should tell more

[00:50:48] people should be like Venus you see a meet shield you tell them okay I like what's wrong what's

[00:50:56] wrong with a meet shield more than better I but I'm not mad at Venus right I won't you know for

[00:51:04] the the meet shield I also like how hunters like she won't leave me alone Venus knows what you're

[00:51:09] doing right like I felt like in that moment Venus was kind of sort of trying to catch him and

[00:51:13] to act to be like alright what are we going to do and what I also love here about Queen Venus this

[00:51:19] episode is that I like how she was the person on the outs she had random random is gone and she's

[00:51:25] kind of like I feel like her game she has the most opportunities out here now because she is like a

[00:51:33] free agent and we'll see this kumbaya try given 11 days it's not so kumbaya and so I'm really

[00:51:42] excited for where Venus is at in this game and especially with the merge comment but I wasn't

[00:51:48] mad at Venus pulling up on hunter and kind of like staying around because it's like yeah what's up

[00:51:52] find it let's try to get it together but also shout out to hunter for hunting you know was dove season

[00:51:59] and he he shot that dove and found that idol also just a correction I think a couple episodes ago

[00:52:06] I said I I could be a dove if it's hunting season and they were like oh you don't hunt doves hunter

[00:52:13] has reportedly said that where he is from they do hunt doves and there is a dove season so

[00:52:18] no I love the fact that Venus is following him around too I think and to kind of agree with you

[00:52:30] on that she is like a free agent now and so she's like kind of using I I've loved her since the

[00:52:37] beginning just because of like people looking at her like they like you're pretty I don't want

[00:52:44] you in this game I think that's you know such old news I think it's dumb and you know who she

[00:52:49] reminds me of she reminds me of just she looks like justine from my season and oh my god I'm

[00:52:58] up what I love justine an obsessed with her and just I could when I found out justine was on my

[00:53:05] tribe I literally thought to myself I have to wake up to that every day well I'm gonna look like

[00:53:11] actual actual hell but no I think they look like twins so immediately I was like okay I love

[00:53:17] Venus and then we head over to the immunity challenge where it's pretty straightforward it's

[00:53:28] we have that big wooden obstacle course where each tribe member has to retrieve a key from three

[00:53:33] stations and then they unlock this bag of sandbags with this pole and then they use the sandbags

[00:53:40] in a slingshot to knock down targets with I before we coming I thought I was so I was

[00:53:48] reading my Jeff Probe shirt last night at the Johnny Fair plays watch party and Jeff Probe's

[00:53:54] was out in full form last night I thought it was funny when he was like so second place gets

[00:53:58] immunity and a smaller set of big goods and then third place otherwise known as and I was like

[00:54:04] the losers and he said oh I thought you were gonna say y'all knew and I I thought that was so

[00:54:09] funny good I would I would have slapped him now I'm just

[00:54:16] Jeff free was out okay yeah he did say that he was gonna be harder this season but I would that

[00:54:22] was that was a lot yeah I love love the snarky Jeff um and then yeah so they all get through the

[00:54:31] structure pretty similar timing Q does get caught up on the untangling of the sandbags

[00:54:38] which allows Nami to continue their dominance as they knock down all of the targets pretty quickly

[00:54:45] but Yannis able to come back and we get this epic slow-mo shot of them stealing the deal

[00:54:55] which I thought was a little bit much but it wasn't good for I suppose

[00:54:58] and so it was me I thought it was me Jack I thought like because I was like oh

[00:55:06] and but I really thought that I was what like I thought my body just made and I'm not even lying

[00:55:12] like because I was like oh my god I want this to happen uh I didn't even realize that it was slow

[00:55:16] mo until after I like rewatch episode I was like oh you thought you just were so into it that

[00:55:22] it was slow time Josh you know sometimes it's like a little treat before

[00:55:30] you watch the fiber sometimes you feel like you got superpowers uh that part was hilarious because

[00:55:36] like everyone that I was watching with it was silence and Mark goes what if they miss

[00:55:42] I'm not

[00:55:44] but that no well that's what I thought was going to happen why are they doing them like that

[00:55:53] I don't think they could have done it I thought I thought it was edited I thought it was

[00:55:56] edited great I mean like the slow-mo the dramatic like it was it was great it was like a movie scene

[00:56:03] like on a reality television show so give them that at dramatic finish that was that was great

[00:56:09] I kind of wish that they did miss it would have been sort of funny um but you would have been so

[00:56:13] funny I just thought it was hilarious with Mark being like what if they miss I'm like shut up

[00:56:20] if they did miss though who do you think would have went home

[00:56:24] can see can see that reminds me that mark moment reminds me of uh

[00:56:31] survivor 41 I was watching the um third episode in Chicago with like zander and

[00:56:38] voche and sarah wilson and you know voche was hosting it so I was thinking all right voche is

[00:56:46] probably gonna have a pretty good episode uh and lo and behold I think the first voche vote comes

[00:56:53] at tribal and it's a very small room there's probably 20 people there I'm like yeah right like

[00:56:59] I was like oh he's totally going like like sucking out and then and then I remember sarah wilson

[00:57:05] turned to me and she was like and then he got put it out and I was like oh

[00:57:16] yeah I was like damn I don't think he cared but I was like oh not my best not my best moment

[00:57:22] but uh so yoni finally wins see he goes going to their first tribal council

[00:57:27] and nami now it also gets to choose three people for a journey all the big dogs end up going we have

[00:57:33] hunter we have Tim and we have q heading to this journey braced it you have you have a thought

[00:57:43] uh well I love the bro alliance but again and I'd love to see them all but my thing was like

[00:57:52] y'all to meet sheels like cuz like in my mind I'm like Tiffany's a beast

[00:57:57] uh and my mind I'm like seven's been killing it and my mind I'm like charlie been doing his thing

[00:58:04] like I just felt like but some of those are me shield is just like I think a visible thing

[00:58:10] I mean this dating survivor yeah if this I mean okay well so that's a problem

[00:58:19] and I don't think that's the time already going on journey as that can't go on another I don't know

[00:58:23] it's no but I'm just what I was critiquing again because you know I just love to critique q

[00:58:29] uh with q being like we the big three dogs we the big we the top three I'm like this

[00:58:33] aint drake this aint j-cold this a uh kindrick like uh I'm not sure but I uh I love the alliance

[00:58:42] I like I love it uh in my opinion you know cuz I always gonna speak on q I felt like he was a bit

[00:58:48] I was nervous at how vocal he was right cuz I was like how is everyone else going to perceive this

[00:58:55] but I wasn't mad at the alliance that they made uh not like we haven't seen that in the new error

[00:59:04] we haven't seen like a like kind of like a journey alliance really come together

[00:59:11] well not that like kind of like the meet shields coming together as one like you know what I mean

[00:59:17] like that's a big that's a big me yeah like I don't know like all the big dogs coming together we're

[00:59:24] in the bottom Danny and Carolyn Carolyn but this one every time uh this one yeah yeah um

[00:59:33] yeah one of these when the reason it was ended up being all the big dogs maybe hunter since his

[00:59:37] tribe one was kind of like these are maybe the people I want to go with although I think they did

[00:59:43] ask um maybe Seiga was you they were like Seiga do you have any volunteers

[00:59:47] you can't be like me yeah so a temple I want to go maybe I year going home right maybe he saw

[00:59:53] Q in hunter and it was kind of like those I could rock with those guys like let me so maybe

[00:59:59] just maybe it wasn't intentionally like a meet shield thing but more so like just people going

[01:00:04] on the journey that thought they'd get along so they were like let me jump up this opportunity um for

[01:00:09] me it was the people that they were bringing now don't get me wrong I love hunter I love Q

[01:00:14] I love Tim but honestly the alliance that I want to happen is Tiffany Maria and Taven like I was

[01:00:21] like oh please make this happen like that for me I was like just loving the pieces that they

[01:00:27] were bringing together that for me was yeah I agree with you that Q was a little bit vocal

[01:00:34] but it was good of him to you he now knows Tim's closest ally and he knows hunters closest ally

[01:00:39] which even if the alliances and hold that's a very valuable information to have going into emerge

[01:00:44] but for this journey we have something that we haven't really seen before it's just like

[01:00:50] whatever is the biggest survivor fan get it get in here and test your knowledge and the other two

[01:00:55] you can just go home um and then we see you know the challenge hunter has a chronological order 20

[01:01:01] logos I love hunter though uh when Sam was like my vote is more important uh hey or are you

[01:01:08] a big survivor fan hunter was like oh yeah uh uh yeah I know a little bit meanwhile he's got the

[01:01:16] whole obstacle course in his basement and everything so uh I just thought that was a little funny uh yeah

[01:01:23] what is we thinking about this um this journey challenge I liked it I like it but I would have

[01:01:30] I would have aptly failed I would have I would have just walked away honestly I don't even know

[01:01:36] what my logo looks like I don't even at this point like if it doesn't have the number on it I don't

[01:01:40] think I could point it out well that the I think it would have the four years would have the number

[01:01:46] on it and then the rest of them I think have the season name okay okay okay I'm the opposite I did

[01:01:51] not like it but I would have been able to do it really easily oh really not to my own horn

[01:01:59] okay jalucky I would have been terrible yeah I don't have the challenges in my basement but I could

[01:02:04] name the logos um I just thought it was sort of like I think they loved maybe that moment with Jake

[01:02:11] last season being like okay Denise Gabor whatever and then they were like let's we need another

[01:02:17] moment of like a fan really shining but it's like watching someone order seasons like even watching

[01:02:24] the challenge we can't even see the really the logos like they just flashed the 20 logos on screen

[01:02:28] I'm like I'm not pausing that to do this like um yeah I hope they could have been like a better way

[01:02:34] to kind of see see I'm gonna disagree with you all I love it there are no well we've been at parties

[01:02:41] where a family will come up to us and say your birthday what hospital you were born in you know

[01:02:47] don't I mean like so there are fans out there that know it yeah what I loved about it was I feel

[01:02:53] like uh hunts are illuminated and here we go again episode five and I'm bringing up James Jones's name

[01:03:00] James Jones always says that there is a difference in the the new fans of survivor that are like

[01:03:07] COVID fans as opposed to fans that watch it week by week like if you binge an if you binge a season

[01:03:13] it's different than watching it week by week and having that anticipation it takes something away

[01:03:17] but I think what it illuminated with hunter what she said that like essentially his buddy got him

[01:03:24] into survivor and oh do we know what is the first season of survivor but he watched that was on

[01:03:30] Netflix season 28 uh that that is a fact that is confirmed go to his buddy got him into it during

[01:03:40] college which in whatever and my and hunter is about as old as I am so college was we were in cold

[01:03:52] he's like 27 right okay great cova was four years ago

[01:04:00] anyway it's confirmed because I tweeted I said hunter better get season 28 right

[01:04:07] and he re tweeted and said it's the first season I watch okay oh it is not because this 28 is

[01:04:13] cousin me okay so y'all know I love that sorry I was just wondering in the timeline of if you

[01:04:20] watch on Netflix but 28 great seasons start with in general and okay it was one of the only survivors

[01:04:26] to go number one on Netflix as well okay just if we if we uh two in our horn but I just think

[01:04:32] it illuminates this new era of fan where it's like they just discovered it and then Hulu or paramount

[01:04:41] plus like the greatest episode so it's like actually they may not know how and why the order is

[01:04:48] so maybe I do agree with y'all that I do like it but maybe it just should have been something else

[01:04:54] to it like match something with the season or I even saw someone say like maybe they need to order

[01:04:59] the winners because then you maybe reflecting on like how did they play the game

[01:05:03] sound of an call I feel like that's too easy I mean I just associate

[01:05:09] like have like a picture of their faces like or boo to each season don't ask a challenge

[01:05:16] although logos is probably the easiest I feel like like what I would say it's the hottest

[01:05:22] I could do it like your name with season I can tell you what season it was like I don't

[01:05:27] think that's that hard so then obviously you're gonna be able to order that but um not I'm not saying

[01:05:32] everyone can do that the thing is the complaint that I have that I've seen the sentiment online

[01:05:37] is that I think these challenges should test your abilities as like a survivor player or in

[01:05:43] challenges right like a good puzzle or a good physical competition or social competition

[01:05:48] you could be a phenomenal survivor player and not know the order of the seasons but now you're

[01:05:53] getting punished because you haven't it's sort of like self-aggrandizing of survivor to be like

[01:05:58] if you want to win you gotta watch your survivor like our show is cool no see I'm gonna disagree

[01:06:04] with you Jack because it's like yeah I want you to test my social game I want you to test my physical

[01:06:08] game I want you to test my knowledge of survivor I want you to test a lot of these things some of them

[01:06:14] I'm going to be great at others I'm not going to be great at and I don't want everyone to ace

[01:06:18] and get it so I I agree that not everyone's gonna be good at everything but that's why I'm saying

[01:06:25] knowing the order of survivor seasons is not a skill that should at all be necessary to win the game

[01:06:32] right yeah from people might be good at puzzles and not good at just like running and that's fine

[01:06:38] that you use your strengths and weaknesses or vice versa but it's just sort of weird to be like

[01:06:44] like to go on a show and you might be a great social player great strategic player great physical

[01:06:49] player and they're like oh but you don't know the order of our seasons you lose your vote like you

[01:06:55] might go home because of that it's just again I think I like it what's up you gotta adapt

[01:07:02] but you can't adapt you're just talking about like figure that out I mean yeah and if you knew

[01:07:07] you would have got the advantage I feel like I like things like that because I want to weaken some

[01:07:12] of the stronger players that's what gives like the game its level ability because say someone

[01:07:18] like a hunter was on the chopping block he lost it now someone like a Venus could I just like

[01:07:23] the possibility so I don't want it to be something that everyone could be great at I think it would

[01:07:28] be really cool that they could do in a journey like instead of just sending two people home is like

[01:07:34] doing something like a big brother challenge where they're like Baja like say if there's like

[01:07:40] bamboo things and like they couldn't see each other and then they had to like and then it was

[01:07:45] like a survivor trivia have like five questions and they don't know if they got their answers right

[01:07:51] or wrong and the only time that they're gonna know is like when they have to go back to camp and

[01:07:56] they have to check tree mail and see if they got the advantage I think that would be like something

[01:07:59] really cool because because then like then the people don't know who got who has it and

[01:08:07] and something that like that home Q and Tim two minutes into the journey yeah it like it's like

[01:08:14] why bring them along you know what I mean like I told you have the winning just have the winning

[01:08:19] per tribe that one only send one person to the journey I that would that'd kind of be cool

[01:08:23] I don't know these journeys have been so hard like this season I mean I don't think I think

[01:08:29] what are we over three like I'm people I don't think anybody won anything

[01:08:35] Maria and seven one extra vote oh yeah yeah yeah but uh hunter Ben and Bano or whoever the who's

[01:08:43] the third person was it Bano Ben and who was the third person they couldn't put the box

[01:08:50] together or maybe it was just Bano and yeah yeah hunter even the savvy challenge that they

[01:08:59] failed that um yeah the challenge I know these have been hard these have been hard this season

[01:09:04] yeah and bris I don't mean to say I want the challenges to be easier I just think that it should

[01:09:08] be something that is a little bit more like or a little bit less like you you know or you don't

[01:09:16] like it's just survive like having knowledge of the show should not determine you being a better

[01:09:22] or worse player necessarily but I think of the sense of like the blame facts of like this was season

[01:09:28] diddada what I will say is maybe this is good for the show down the line because future players might

[01:09:34] be like oh I need to go back and study up and like and watch more survivor so maybe that makes

[01:09:40] better gameplay down the line I don't know but um as someone who I think would have won this challenge

[01:09:46] I still don't think it's a great battle okay Jack okay because I'm not we have no

[01:09:53] well here so I'm not going to see here because I could because I would say then why don't you

[01:09:59] have that same sentiment about the last week's journey of the blocks where no one got the blocks

[01:10:07] you should know how to do a puzzle go ahead with survivor you don't need to know like

[01:10:12] don't know they're chronological order of all the seasons still go for you survive but to do

[01:10:16] what you should be able to do a puzzle okay okay anyways we're disagreeing a lot this week I made

[01:10:26] listen I'm very ashamed because it's the same thing though right because it's like okay well

[01:10:33] if you came on a show and you couldn't even get a puzzle then yeah that's bad well but a puzzle's

[01:10:39] a puzzle a puzzle could be hard but you you come in knowing like you're you might have to do a puzzle

[01:10:44] but to be like all right name the third boot of every season is like why would I crack

[01:10:51] but there are some soup there are some fans that know that of course but I don't think

[01:10:56] I'm so that's what I'm saying though. Cochrane would like to talk with Cochrane would have won this

[01:10:59] a great survivor player that was someone who you know might be really good at puzzles might be

[01:11:03] really physical might be good at social competition or strategy which a puzzle or a savvy or a

[01:11:09] sweat challenge kind of all fall under but to a great survivor player doesn't have to

[01:11:14] know the order of the season. But it's a journey it's an advantage like it's not like you know it's

[01:11:20] it's a blessing it's not something that is necessarily needs to give it to you you

[01:11:24] volunteer I don't I don't want to be easier I just want the challenge to be different

[01:11:29] or like no else and I actually think you get all three of them there and then maybe say like

[01:11:34] who wants survivor vanity walk to and they off like hold up an answer and then whoever gets the

[01:11:39] most right wins and then it's like a little bit more fun and it's like trivia and it's like

[01:11:45] blatant like order the seasons like. I mean listen I like it all I like to have that as an option

[01:11:52] and different things you just never know what you're going to get when you go on a journey

[01:11:55] which is why it's like the journey is a gift and a curse. It's true and at least they gave them

[01:12:00] like a heads up like the biggest fan but again I also don't like it small but I don't like that we

[01:12:05] lose Tim and Q two minutes into this journey like give him something to do yeah they got to run

[01:12:12] the boat. That even lie. That's a terrible boat ride anyways Hunter loses his vote um

[01:12:19] um granted he's already losing his vote because of the underwear advantage he has. I know how does

[01:12:29] that work? So not even a big deal although I guess he'll get his vote back when he gets the

[01:12:34] underwear advantage if he finds the idol but he doesn't have a he doesn't have a vote regardless.

[01:12:40] Yeah but that's kind of in a way like makes it a little less stressful he's like well I'm not

[01:12:45] voting either way. Yeah so it's like I don't need to find this right now. This is really small um

[01:12:52] back to what Hunter found the beware advantage I think he does say that if they don't go to tribal

[01:12:57] before the merge they will still have a chance to get their idol. I actually hate that uh I think

[01:13:03] this whole thing about you have to lose to find your beware advantage I think that pre and we

[01:13:08] talked about in the past creates this really fun idea of like should I throw this challenge

[01:13:13] so that I could go find my idol. Wait so how is he gonna work if so safe they went out like how do they get

[01:13:21] when they merge you at the limit? Long before the merge or maybe they merge and then they

[01:13:25] rehide it for them and then okay so like next week when they get the note saying like you're now

[01:13:30] let or drop your buffs he can go over to the thing and get the clue. Yeah I mean obviously there might

[01:13:36] be on a different beach but I'm sure it was hard or something it might be like you survived

[01:13:40] all the way to the merge but you still have a chance to find your idol like go to the beach and

[01:13:45] dig up near this trip. Like you know yeah and I think I wish they had to grapple with the fact that's

[01:13:50] like should we lose a challenge so I can find this but instead it's like there's no punishment for

[01:13:54] not losing. Yeah. Which is why it's also like I think the easiest beware advantage that they've had um

[01:14:01] like I've said it's like you don't even have to worry about it until you lose and then when you lose

[01:14:05] it never will be since you have less time it's gonna be easier to find it um but anyways

[01:14:10] that's kind of neither here nor there but I thought that was sort of annoying um so now we're back at

[01:14:17] Seagah and they're going to their first tribal and they sort of like take a moment to all kind of

[01:14:23] appreciate the time that had together 11 days very kumbaya and Jen quickly slips off and finds

[01:14:32] her idol measuring things with the machete um again thought that was sort of a boring

[01:14:38] like journey for her to like I don't need to watch Bob the builder like measuring things with uh

[01:14:43] we got okay now I'm gonna have to interject say your best but we're not doing okay because listen

[01:14:52] we've seen Jim over here let's go but first of all that's hard she had the weight

[01:15:00] until everybody was like I like doing it in front of everybody that's nothing to do with

[01:15:06] Jen this is me saying like her running around with a machete measuring things is not that exciting

[01:15:12] I don't know when they were reading in on the TV I was confused so like you guys

[01:15:17] follow on the island that'd be like what do I have to do I get a bomb or two

[01:15:22] perimeter wait I was terrible about like I would have been like what I would have been like the

[01:15:33] production can you tell me how to do this like can you read this again

[01:15:39] but if someone didn't know what like the diameter of the perimeter was kind of like

[01:15:45] she needs when Sandy's like what is a pace like you know she had a clue it was like it's 10

[01:15:50] paces from this she's like well how I don't know what a pace is yeah I don't know I would have

[01:15:57] been screwed so like I mean I it hats off to her for knowing it knowing it getting it great job

[01:16:02] because I personally wouldn't be able to do it I would have to print someone and be like what

[01:16:06] the hell does this mean she did a great job funny this wasn't a big it was it was more like the way

[01:16:13] that it was hidden it was not that fun to watch anybody have to go be like pull out the next

[01:16:20] week gave it be like okay it's like what if she got caught like Chubb what are you doing nothing

[01:16:25] I'm just like you know waving the machete around I'm just curious how the perimeter of her

[01:16:30] boat and machete legs I was just wondering yeah just seeing like how many people could fit in the boat

[01:16:36] also this is tough for Jen because she did a great job of finding it but there might be an argument

[01:16:42] in my mind that the two hours she spent looking for it would have been better spent strategizing

[01:16:48] and not having her boat I even wonder because we see how things unfold and we see how Ben is

[01:16:55] saying that like he can visibly see her talking to other people and doing all this other stuff

[01:16:58] I almost wonder if her getting that idol find to get if it put a super pack on her that made her

[01:17:07] a little bit more confident and like steering this boat instead of really like trying to survive

[01:17:14] this boat yeah yeah I agree because yeah I mean I just wanted to target on her own back

[01:17:23] and we see Ben and Tim you know are on to her as someone who's not being straightforward with them

[01:17:29] I also thought and I don't know if this was before tribal or earlier in the episode where Jen

[01:17:34] I think was earlier when Tim was sort of on a jam and was sort of pressing her a little bit

[01:17:39] and she'll press back and she's like now I got the target on Tim so now it's either going to be

[01:17:44] Tim or it's going to be me and she was like excited about it I was like miss miss ma'am like you

[01:17:50] know like the target doesn't it doesn't have to be a you or them you could just hang out and let

[01:17:54] the target be on other people it doesn't have to be a battle here I also felt like when Tim pressed her

[01:18:00] right I wonder if Tim was basically being like what's up we working together like you know what I mean

[01:18:08] like I feel like of course she took it the way that she took it because her back is against the

[01:18:12] wall but I just wonder if what if she would have revealed that to him what that would have helped

[01:18:17] I also would have liked to see a little bit more of how Tim came to that conclusion because it

[01:18:22] makes me think there are more conversations around Jim like people knowing that it's Jim that

[01:18:29] they just edited out for us not to see it to make it a more thrilling episode because he kind of came

[01:18:34] the Jim like yeah we know I also think she says good of a liar as she thought she was

[01:18:41] I want to know why he said that to her what was this especially like why right I was with so and

[01:18:50] I watched last night's episode with Charlie last night and then like afterwards we did like a Q&A

[01:18:56] and I literally on the stage asked like in front of all the fans I'm like did you know that she had

[01:19:01] an idol and he was like I can't answer this question because of like production I was just like I

[01:19:05] want to know like what's it talked about because why how did he just randomly come like it was they

[01:19:12] didn't even talk like and I'm hoping that like they could maybe touch on in a little bit next episode

[01:19:18] of like why this came to a conclusion of because I wanted the whole setting and they were like she's

[01:19:25] looking for something like right like that's what I want to like why or I want to know if they knew

[01:19:32] that she went home with an idol too I would love to know that like but they always keep us on

[01:19:38] our toes they do and like I mentioned earlier when it comes to the strategic discussions before

[01:19:45] travel here it becomes this thing of like well there could be a way out and manage out there like

[01:19:50] we need to split between Tim and Charles or Tim in Ben and people are most wary of Tim having

[01:19:58] something that's true now Ben becomes the target but the swing vote Charlie is like well I don't

[01:20:06] want to do Ben Ben's my ally and that's why it now falls on to Gem and she sort of dug her own grave

[01:20:13] with this move whereas like I said earlier I think if she doesn't do this whole for where

[01:20:18] advantage fiasco I think people pretty confidently put their votes on Tim but props to Charlie he's

[01:20:25] able to steer he's I don't want to lose Ben so how do I go to Maria and make this happen in a

[01:20:31] in a way that I'm not pushing too far too hard to keep that. This is where I worry for Dr. Maria

[01:20:37] because you know Dr. Maria it's like she's one of my winter picks and clearly we see a lot where

[01:20:43] it is Charlie and Dr. Maria trying to figure out do we go with Liz and Gem or do we go with Tim

[01:20:48] and Ben and we see Dr. Maria saying like I trust Gem and Liz and like you know we have the

[01:20:56] the the ladies alliance and this where it worries me because we see where Dr. Maria went and I feel like

[01:21:06] did you just lose a number like I don't know just worries me because well I mean you say no but

[01:21:11] I just feel like I even if you can't trust Gem it's a numbers game and I would have rather

[01:21:19] Dr. Maria like one of the boys go to keep Dr. Maria specifically stronger in my pay because

[01:21:26] okay Dr. Maria. I totally get what you're coming from because as the swing votes Charlie obviously was

[01:21:32] the one who took the reins a little bit more here yeah okay is close ally at that I think Maria

[01:21:38] was actually more cool with it than maybe the edit showed because we know Maria has a very solid

[01:21:44] relationship with Tim at least in the sense that Tim is now is calling her his number one. I still

[01:21:52] think there's so many paths forward for Maria to work with him to work Ben by extension obviously

[01:21:58] to work with Charlie so even if she's not that close with Ben I think she's very close with Tim

[01:22:04] very close with Charlie and if they feel like Ben is someone that they could use as a number

[01:22:09] I actually think that's maybe better for Maria's game than to you know sort of overshadow Charlie

[01:22:15] take out someone that would work with Charlie and then have this whole split see the see the split

[01:22:20] of like because I even think Mariah here gets left out of the vote but I think they can pull

[01:22:24] her back in pretty easily. I still think Charlie wants to work with Mariah I still think Mariah wants

[01:22:30] to work with Mariah I still think Ben would be game so I think for Maria this is actually gonna of

[01:22:35] course having gem is not bad but we've seen gem is not that trustworthy just in the sense that she's

[01:22:41] going to run around and like cause a little bit of chaos but going through a merge seega could still

[01:22:46] be really strong here and I think that's a lot of it is that Maria was flexible here and realize

[01:22:53] that she'd still have a lot of social avenues taking out jam. Did Maria have to use her extra vote

[01:23:00] this no she didn't have to and I was I'm glad you brought this up because this was a really interesting

[01:23:05] conversation that I wanted to have with you guys some people are very critical of her wasting it

[01:23:10] I actually think it was really really good of her to use it. Was it pa did anybody know that she had it

[01:23:19] well I'm not sure if did she tell them I think maybe at least Charlie knew okay and I reckon

[01:23:28] that some planning took place so I think Ben informed him that he didn't have a vote right and so

[01:23:34] yeah I think that if you if so we see that Maria actually Maria actually also when she votes

[01:23:42] rights and spells gem two different ways I think Maria might hear actually be like you know what Ben

[01:23:50] I'm gonna cast one of my votes as if it was you to give you some cover to keep your lie intact.

[01:23:55] Maybe that's like all like theory or like no but that's probably right I think that's might be

[01:24:04] what happened and again I think that's a testament to Maria being flexible taking the you know

[01:24:10] taking some of the responsibility on her and making compromise but if I'm someone like a Ben here

[01:24:15] I'm gonna be like Maria you are the best like I will work with you um so again yeah that's a great

[01:24:21] point with like her social game too it's like she's like listen I have your back on this so

[01:24:27] have mine and people know about her extra vote and I think a lot of times especially in the new era

[01:24:32] we see people trying to hold on to these things for like the perfect moment right but I think her

[01:24:37] using it here is like you're gonna solidify that you're on the right side of the vote um you're

[01:24:42] gonna give yourself some options with how you want to kind of frame the vote and people know about

[01:24:47] her extra vote maybe it's better just get rid of that before the merge and it's not like an added

[01:24:52] factor to why people might want to take you out now she's back to square one in terms of advantages

[01:24:57] but she's in a great social position so I really think despite the fact that Maria like compromised

[01:25:03] on voting out um gem I really really think this was a really good episode fair yeah I'm uh

[01:25:08] I'm I'm I'm gonna agree with you do we give credit to Maria or Carla or Charlie for this though

[01:25:17] I think Charlie was the player of the episode yeah yeah but I think Maria I can really respect her

[01:25:25] being like okay Michael Sally's coming to me with this plan what's the best way that I can make

[01:25:30] it work and I think yeah and I agree I agree and like going forward in the gate this

[01:25:39] this is the type of gain move that is critical in the new era because it goes undetected and this

[01:25:45] is something that you can like bring up like way down the line right on it and it does it you're

[01:25:51] it like you don't look like as a tribe as a whole right now like I don't think everyone's looking

[01:25:57] at Maria like oh my god she's some huge strategic game players I think it was yeah

[01:26:02] that's a very good point yeah that's a very good point I think Seiga could have some shades of

[01:26:10] re-bell last season where you know Yannis kind of like Lulu they get decimated Nami is sort of like um

[01:26:18] Bella hello where they're winning a lot but they have fractures but now I really think that

[01:26:23] this this group of remaining Seiga could stay pretty tight like I don't think they're going to jump

[01:26:28] to flip on each other going into the merge and I think this group of Seiga is gonna for the most

[01:26:33] part stay intact pretty far like at least for a few votes and have a lot of options to make things

[01:26:38] happen yeah they're probably the the tightest unit out of all of them so yeah it's going to be very

[01:26:47] interesting to see and who sticks with you right and especially with this meat shield alliance

[01:26:53] emerging it will be so interesting to see how things develop uh but again shout out to Jack because

[01:27:02] I was ready to be yelling at dr. Maria like what is your doing why would you give your power away

[01:27:07] but shout out to the baby boy jackery for making me see that dr. Maria is still in a good place

[01:27:13] yeah I did and also I don't care what nobody say shout out to team sneaky sneaky shout out to jam

[01:27:24] she went home but you know she always didn't hard game right and I always say in order to win

[01:27:29] survivor you have to play to win but when you play to win you might go home so yeah I mean

[01:27:36] so it was definitely one of the most entertaining ones of the season so far and that's absolutely

[01:27:41] all part two jam so uh I know I was critical some of the moves but as far as television goes she

[01:27:48] made she brought some good TV in a great episode and we have the merge it looks like next episode so

[01:27:53] hopefully the season continues to sort of um roll on forward it begins a momentum

[01:27:59] is there 12 people left 13 13 people so that's probably another great

[01:28:08] so it's going to be the same thing so like one person is going to go home and then they're

[01:28:14] gonna merge and then they're they must be the the next person that goes home doesn't make the jury

[01:28:21] yeah I want to express I think next we'll probably be mergeatory and then maybe they'll do that

[01:28:26] double like they split up into two groups again oh yeah yeah I don't I don't like how someone makes

[01:28:32] the merge but they don't make the jury I don't like it yeah no I think that's just be I mean

[01:28:41] I mean it's happened to so many people but like it happened to Dwight like I just remember like

[01:28:46] talking about it with him all day I'm like there's no way there's no way and he was like it's gonna

[01:28:50] happen he was like someone's gonna go home that's on I'm like no and then it happened to him and

[01:28:55] it was just like I hated it is because he's part of the merge he's on the fricking jury right

[01:29:01] yeah because then you're merged like twists and turns in the new era really not a fan

[01:29:07] I don't know what you just said it's like merge merge yeah you gotta get your feet like just call

[01:29:13] it and like some of the best votes are right at the merge where there's like 11 12 13 people left

[01:29:20] um I mean it could just like coggy on jumps to mind when they send Sarah home one of the best

[01:29:26] episodes of survivor diver in my opinion uh second chances jumps to mind with Kelly wet worth

[01:29:32] plays her idol and idol savage out I mean these are all with more numbers available to vote together

[01:29:38] or to vote out it just makes dynamics so much more interesting but survivor for some reason the

[01:29:42] in the new era takes these big numbers and tries to break them up into smaller groups which is

[01:29:47] kind of limits what you can do yeah and I don't like I don't like how half the group is safe

[01:29:51] yeah great yeah it's just it's like I get it like the first five seasons they've done it it was great

[01:29:59] Arla let's try something new a little bit because now everybody's expecting it you know what I mean

[01:30:04] like definitely yeah well regardless we're still gonna be tuning in uh as seeing what merge

[01:30:11] that's where he gives uh this is a great episode no well thank you so much but take a time out

[01:30:16] of your training thank you so much for having me always here on the purple pants pockets we love

[01:30:22] you and appreciate you so much jack guys we appreciate you uh I see you next week to argue some more

[01:30:29] with oh yeah it's crazy where are you going to urge it feels like the season just started right

[01:30:34] it's crazy to think that if this was coggy on I could be actually considered to make the merge

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