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[00:04:35] Jack Atkins from The Circle Season 2, when DZ Holland, the winner of Ghost Island and who is
[00:04:41] currently on Amazon Prime with the GOAT. We are talking all things Episode 13 and the season finale
[00:04:49] of Season 46 of Survivor. We're talking people helping each other, we're talking who's the
[00:04:56] winner, we're talking the jury votes. It's so much to get into. So listen, let's get into this week's
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[00:05:32] And we are back this week with your Survivor News covering Season 46, the season finale, Episode 12.
[00:05:39] We are so excited to be here. We're back joined by the man, the myth, the legend, Jack Atkins. How are you?
[00:05:47] Doing what a week. Uh, I mean it was a wild finale and you know I'm ready to get into it because
[00:05:56] I got a lot of thoughts, Bryce, and uh, I don't know how they're gonna, how they're gonna come out but
[00:06:02] I might, I might be throwing, I don't know. I don't know what to say. So I'm excited to talk about them.
[00:06:08] Yes, it's uh, dying to hear your thoughts. Of course we have contestant on Season 1 of Amazon Prime,
[00:06:16] the GOAT winner of Ghost Island, when DZ back from New York. How are you?
[00:06:20] I am good. It's good to be here. Yes, how, anything you want to say about the BWP finale in New York?
[00:06:33] I'd say we had a crazy, awesome week. Things were very successful. Lots of fans came out, lots of
[00:06:39] reality came out. The venues, it was great to see people from across the world and connect with
[00:06:46] people. So great, great week. Yes, it definitely was amazing. Shout out to everyone that came,
[00:06:52] all the Survivors, Quebec, Australia, Brazil, the Circle, Squid Game, so many people. It was
[00:07:03] buddy games. Everything was. Shows that haven't even been created, the winners were there
[00:07:11] with so many people in the building. But we have so much to get to,
[00:07:15] so I think we need to jump right into this episode, Jack. Yeah, I don't know.
[00:07:24] In the words of one of the best to never win, Liz Wilcox, I'm pissed.
[00:07:31] I'm going to say it. If you've been listening, you know I'm team Charlie and
[00:07:44] look, the game played out how it played out. And I think, here's the thing,
[00:07:50] Kenzie played a great game. So it hurts me that my frustration about other things,
[00:07:56] it feels like, because I got nothing against Kenzie. She deserved a win. But I'm frustrated.
[00:08:02] I have frustrations towards Maria. I have some frustrations towards Liz. And I'm overall just
[00:08:12] frustrated that my guy Charlie, I feel like he was, now I agree with the sentiment that the jury
[00:08:19] always picks the winner and in the context, it's the correct choice. But ultimately, I think
[00:08:27] maybe sometimes the jury just has some people that are thinking straight. So that's kind of where my
[00:08:33] head's at. And not to say that some of the people that voted for Kenzie weren't thinking straight.
[00:08:37] I totally see why Tiffany voted for Kenzie. I see why Venus voted for Kenzie. But to me,
[00:08:43] ultimately, I don't understand how Maria does not vote for Charlie to win, which would have
[00:08:49] tied it in. Presumably Ben would have voted for him to win. So what do you guys think?
[00:08:55] People aren't allowed to change their minds?
[00:08:58] At what point though? Like in Survivor, no.
[00:09:02] No?
[00:09:03] The votes are in the house.
[00:09:04] If they're presented with an argument that speaks to them, they're not allowed to change their mind.
[00:09:11] But a speech to the jury, isn't that intended to plead your case to sway votes?
[00:09:17] But then to say that you are-
[00:09:19] Or should we just not have speeches and just vote without them seeing anything?
[00:09:25] But here's the thing. I respect that sometimes jurors can be bitter, right? That's part of the
[00:09:30] game. It's a social game. But for all intents and purposes that we know, Charlie played a great
[00:09:35] role. People like Charlie. And Maria's justification as to why she voted for Kenzie,
[00:09:40] she saw the fire in Kenzie's eyes. It took them like an hour to make fire.
[00:09:46] Basically, my thing is Maria played a great game up until the end where she stumbled a little bit.
[00:09:52] But she played that game with Charlie. And so for me, when it's your number one ally,
[00:09:57] who played a game very similar to you, you should be championing their game because that reflects
[00:10:03] better on your game, right? Like Wendell, if you went out, I know you would have been
[00:10:06] riding for Dom because you guys played the game together and your games were very similar.
[00:10:11] To me, it doesn't make any- Especially when Charlie didn't even take a shot at her until
[00:10:15] after she betrayed him. And you're telling people that Charlie is going to be like an uncle to your
[00:10:22] kids. And then he doesn't even switch up on you. How do you not vote for him? It doesn't make any
[00:10:27] sense.
[00:10:28] Are people not human? Do people not-
[00:10:31] I give people permission to change their minds. Jack, like you said, comparing it to me and Dom,
[00:10:36] I would have voted for Dom. But I think any human being with a brain has the permission
[00:10:44] to change their minds. In Maria's case, and I just rewatched on the drive home from New York,
[00:10:51] and she said two things. She said she saw the fire in the fight in Kenzie's eyes.
[00:10:57] And then she also heard Kenzie's speech. And if you think about Maria's story,
[00:11:04] and you think about Kenzie's story, Kenzie's been working very hard for a lot of other people. And
[00:11:11] even with her entrepreneurship story, how the chairs in her salon, she doesn't make a dime
[00:11:17] off of them. Like she is a giver. And Maria's story with her three kids and putting things
[00:11:22] to the side for her family. This is the story. This is my mother's story. Like the sacrifices
[00:11:29] she made for me and my sisters. I get it. And for that story of Kenzie's to resonate with Maria,
[00:11:36] I totally understand how she can change her mind because she was hit right here.
[00:11:41] Now, the only thing I'll say is I understand a domino-end scenario. We go so far. If I saw
[00:11:48] my man sitting at the end right now, I would say I would have voted for him. And I love Charlie.
[00:11:58] I think Charlie played the best game of the people sitting at the end.
[00:12:02] But I give Maria permission to change her mind as did, I think, four or five jurors at the end.
[00:12:09] I think this is the difference in this new era, right? Where it's like we have these survivor
[00:12:15] players that know every analytical, know every move, know everything. But survivor isn't just
[00:12:20] survivor. It's emotions. People are human. I think that on paper, Charlie killed it. And I
[00:12:26] want justice for Charlie. But at the same time, I feel like at the end, Kenzie delivered with
[00:12:33] her speech. She delivered so much that it swayed Maria. Whether people believe it or like whatever
[00:12:41] they're saying about Maria, it swayed her. And I think that that is what is missing sometimes
[00:12:46] in this new era or with all of these people online. It's like, oh, I would never done that.
[00:12:50] I would never done that. You don't know until you're out there and your emotions are there
[00:12:55] and you just got blindsided. And are we not allowed to have emotions? Can she not be pissed
[00:12:59] that she's not in the game? There can be a level of bitterness. She can be a little bitter and
[00:13:06] a little salty that her man got to the end. She could be a little bitter. Couple that with
[00:13:11] this story really hitting home. You got that? OK, I mean, I hear you guys and obviously emotions,
[00:13:17] of course, are a big factor. But my counterpoints are a I think when they asked who changed their
[00:13:23] minds, Maria didn't say that she changed her mind. It seemed like she came in wanting to
[00:13:26] vote for Kenzie. Also, you know, I hate to like this feels it feels like I'm putting down Kenzie's
[00:13:34] win and I'm not trying to do that because Kenzie and however voted for her, however it worked out,
[00:13:38] she has an indisputable like magnetism to her that like radiates off her. And I've never even
[00:13:44] like met her. But you could just tell that's why people are so drawn to her. But for me, it's just
[00:13:50] like. I'm just kind of speechless because and also again, maybe it's the cynic in me and obviously
[00:13:57] not knowing these people being out on the island, being on the jury. Like everyone has their reasons
[00:14:03] for why they need a million dollars, right? Unless you're unless you're unless you know,
[00:14:07] if you're super rich, I get why you wouldn't want to vote for someone who's super rich. Right. But
[00:14:11] you know, Kenzie obviously has come from the struggle for Ben's struggle. I mean,
[00:14:14] I feel like it happens a lot to younger contestants where people feel like they don't need the money.
[00:14:18] But it's like if I'm out there, I want to have a family at some point, you know, that money is
[00:14:23] going to help me or Charlie, you know, whatever, whoever may be kickstart their lives and pay for
[00:14:28] law school, which is going to help serve, you know, people in the community who need, you know, legal
[00:14:35] suit, like oversight. And so I get that Kenzie story is great. But it does always bother me,
[00:14:42] not just in this season when people are like, well, why do you need the money? It's like,
[00:14:45] right, your business, like, it's not really your business. And what frustrated me ultimately,
[00:14:51] was that I feel like, in my opinion, I think Charlie really played one of the strongest
[00:14:56] games of the new era, because I look at every inflection point of his decisions. And I always
[00:15:01] think he made a great decision. And a lot of times, you know, with like a Russell Hance,
[00:15:06] it boils down to them but not being liked. But I feel like people liked Charlie. So I'm like,
[00:15:10] if I'm in his shoes, I'm just so frustrated for him. Because it's like, what could you do
[00:15:14] differently? Right? That's the game of Survivor Jack. Like, that's what I keep trying to tell
[00:15:19] people. And again, I am as equally mad with you. Like I love Charlie. I think that Charlie played
[00:15:24] a great game. I think that he did everything right. But it's not always that you can do
[00:15:31] everything right, and it not work out in your favor. We just did a panel, a real talk panel
[00:15:37] on luck versus strategy. And if you weren't there, it was great. We kind of talked about a lot of
[00:15:43] these nuances. And I just I think that why I am so frustrated that Charlie didn't win is also the
[00:15:50] same reason why I actually love Survivor, right? You can't really quantify how to get to the end.
[00:15:58] You can't quantify people's emotions on the jury. And it's like you can play a great game.
[00:16:03] But ultimately, it's like the jury, how do the people leave? And in the end to quote James
[00:16:09] Jones, James Jones has this a million times, it's not about how you got to the end. But it's about
[00:16:16] when you get to the end, and can you tell the story? And respectfully speaking, right, and I
[00:16:21] love my Charlie. And I think Charlie, you could see him on the beach. He wrote all of his stuff out.
[00:16:26] I think for me watching as a fan, I wasn't there. It seemed like Kenzie was a little more emotional,
[00:16:33] a little more tapped into the heartstrings as to like, you know, and shout out to Dr. Charlie,
[00:16:38] because Charlie just graduated today with a doctorate in law, in law.
[00:16:43] Right, huge. But, you know, he came with the facts like he was like, very like pointed. And sometimes
[00:16:49] like that might not resonate with everyone. So it's like, it's so weird. So I understand it. But
[00:16:55] I also feel like why I am so frustrated like you, Jack is also why I love Survivor because you just
[00:17:00] never know.
[00:17:01] These are all those are all very, very good points. I mean, that is what makes Survivor and that's
[00:17:07] why you're right. Like in a way the jury is never wrong. So I never like to say that I'm not a
[00:17:12] I never like to say that so and so should have one because the jurors are the jurors. And that's
[00:17:17] part of the luck of the game is like the people you end up with. But I don't know. It's just Yeah,
[00:17:23] it's tough. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. But at the same time,
[00:17:26] I'm frustrated and took you to your point Kenzie not only played to the hearts.
[00:17:30] I think she also did a great job of playing to the egos on the jury. And for better or for worse,
[00:17:35] there's there were some ego egos on the jury. And that's how it is a lot of the time people
[00:17:39] want to get their licks in at the end. But you know, it's it's been a theme of the season the
[00:17:43] whole time how messy and chaotic it is. And there's some wild personalities. So ultimately,
[00:17:48] yeah, I guess in that sense of like, you know, if the jurors are bitter, and they're egotistical
[00:17:54] part of winning the game is making them feel good about themselves, even if they
[00:17:58] don't necessarily deserve that.
[00:18:00] If we're talking about the jury, can we talk about the jury for a second?
[00:18:04] Please? Yeah.
[00:18:05] Two things. I loved how I've seen I love the questioning of the jury. I love the direct,
[00:18:12] like them asking them direct questions. But is somebody going to tell Q that he is a jury member
[00:18:22] and not the final four? Kenzie kind of alluding to the fact that she had to work with Q and how
[00:18:30] flip floppy he was at times. And then Q, as a jury member was like, I say that. I never said that.
[00:18:38] I was never voting for Ben. And then Tiffany was like,
[00:18:43] he's a big mistake.
[00:18:44] Right? Big mistake you were and then they start getting it like, like if that wasn't
[00:18:50] Yeah.
[00:18:51] Quintavious. I don't know what Quintavious was. And then also who directed Quintavious to be the
[00:18:59] choir director of the final tri boy. I love how he was like, thank you. Okay, Ben, your turn.
[00:19:07] Like, did Q tap in for Jeff?
[00:19:10] Like, I got this.
[00:19:14] I was like, what is Q doing?
[00:19:18] It was a lot of antics. I mean, there was the Q antics. There was the whole,
[00:19:22] you have 30 seconds like you're done. I thought that was ridiculous, honestly.
[00:19:28] But did Tiffany have a timer?
[00:19:32] In her head.
[00:19:33] She was counting in the head and then Soda was just, same way. I don't know, man. Now I get it.
[00:19:42] Like, it is part of being on the jury, even in the non real survivor games that I played
[00:19:48] with you guys. Sometimes you get to the end of the jury and you kind of want to get,
[00:19:52] you know, you can be a little bitter. That's the thing. I don't mind a little bit,
[00:19:56] but it just confuses me. If you're a little bitter, I feel like if you want to say that,
[00:20:02] then that's cool. But I think my frustration with Maria is that she comes up with all these
[00:20:07] weird ass answers, trying to justify why she voted for Kenzie. When in reality,
[00:20:12] I think really there was just some sort of bitterness and it seems like she can't acknowledge
[00:20:16] that.
[00:20:17] Well, I think, so let's talk about that. Right? Because like, one can understand the frustration
[00:20:24] of the Charlie, wait, the Swifties, the Charlie-ers that are upset at Maria. Like, I understand that,
[00:20:32] but is there also a world where everything that Maria is saying, it can be true.
[00:20:37] She could have been a little bitter. She could have wanted to vote for a woman to like, you know,
[00:20:43] I think in one of her interviews she has said a part of her going out there was doing something
[00:20:47] selfish for herself. And I don't know if you've ever like said something or like been saying
[00:20:52] something in your spirit and then you're sitting somewhere and you will read it on a train or you'll
[00:20:57] hear it and it resonates with you. Like, I think all of those things can be true, but what I'm not
[00:21:02] going to do is stand for this Maria hate train that people are like mowing over her. She played
[00:21:10] a great game. She's stuck by her decision, whether you like it or not. Like that's her decision. She
[00:21:16] has to live with it. Like, I just don't like the dog piling of social media, like trying to erase
[00:21:22] everything amazing that she has done in her decision. And if you don't like her decision,
[00:21:29] you could always apply to be on Survivor, make it 25 days and get on the jury and you can cast a vote.
[00:21:39] A week ago, she was a front runner to win the game.
[00:21:43] To some.
[00:21:44] Some would say if Charlie would have capped her, he might've had a better shot.
[00:21:54] Okay. Okay. Okay. Jack.
[00:21:58] Look, I don't have any like a week ago or if Charlie kept her, would she have had a better
[00:22:05] shot? Cause you're like, ah, she wasn't the front runner. I guess a front runner in the sense of
[00:22:10] like within the game maybe. But I thought as far as like the actual outcome of how things would
[00:22:15] work out that she wasn't going to get to the end very often. Correct. Correct. If she got to the
[00:22:20] end, she probably wins, but I just don't, I think the way you don't know. Well, I sure. But that
[00:22:26] would be kind of going against the point though. We do know if Liz got to the end, we do know.
[00:22:36] I'm glad we're talking about this. That was insane. I mean, that was,
[00:22:41] I don't know what I'm going to help her out. Go ahead.
[00:22:44] I just don't have any words. I'm like, it's like, I don't like, how did she pass the psych
[00:22:50] evaluation? I just want to know you got to. Okay. Well, here's the thing. Can you imagine Liz?
[00:22:58] Well, Liz in the final three being like the only move I ever want, like this could have worked
[00:23:04] out. Hear me out. If Liz was in the final three and she stood on this, the only thing I wanted,
[00:23:11] the only thing I needed to do was get Q out and I did it.
[00:23:18] No, no. That's not a game winning, but because you could have sat at the end and, and
[00:23:28] mainly not, you know, I just don't like, I guess maybe this, this might be the episode
[00:23:36] of all the episodes we've done where maybe I'm in my, maybe I'm in my most hater mode. Honestly,
[00:23:41] I'm just like, it's like a nice lady, but it's just like this. So it's just delusional. Like
[00:23:47] it's really delusional. And also did you see, she came out and said that she's not over there.
[00:23:53] That was all a lie, a strategic lie. It's like, like what?
[00:24:00] Now, now, first of all, I know some wealthy people and I know some wealthy people. I know
[00:24:10] some people that are wealthy. You don't talk about how they don't know. That's not always,
[00:24:18] they don't always lead with it. So I was questioning it, but you know, she kept saying it,
[00:24:24] I was questioning it. But as a strategy, if she, if she did make it to the end and use that
[00:24:30] coupled with the whole Q thing, Bryce, she, Hey, I'm saying, okay.
[00:24:35] I see the world where it sort of makes sense because a lot of times you're like, well,
[00:24:40] they don't need the money. We can bring them to the end. The problem is once I feel like once
[00:24:43] people are thinking that way, right. If you actually are rich, if I'm on the jury and then
[00:24:48] somebody who's the whole game is not like I'm a millionaire. And then they're like, Oh, by the
[00:24:52] way, I'm not actually a millionaire. I would just be like, you're full of it. Like you're,
[00:24:55] you're just lying. Like, and that's the thing too, Wendell is like, even if that's her strategy,
[00:25:02] find me one person who likes to be told time and time again by someone else that they're a
[00:25:07] millionaire. That's annoying. That's just, if I meet someone and like, yeah, I have a lot of
[00:25:11] money, I'm like, shut up. Like it's, it's annoying. Like, especially if that money is
[00:25:17] not going to help me out. You know what I mean? Like, and if you're, if you're a millionaire
[00:25:22] is Applebee's the spot. I mean, well, listen, you like what you like though, Jack,
[00:25:28] you like what you like. I like Applebee's. Applebee's is in my top four favorite contestants
[00:25:34] from the finale. So since we're on Liz, let's talk about this. Uh, Kenzie's immunity challenge.
[00:25:43] First of all, shout out to Kenzie. Uh, talk. I feel like three episodes ago, I was saying this
[00:25:49] to you guys that you can kind of have a small edit, but that last episode, a lot can change.
[00:25:55] I think like Kenzie winning that immunity definitely changed a lot of things, but like,
[00:26:00] let's talk about Liz helping Kenzie. I would really love to know Jack and Wendell, your thoughts
[00:26:07] on that. Um, and one Jack, because you are a survivor almanac has that ever happened before?
[00:26:12] Like I know people have helped people, but has someone like, not to that extent. Okay. Yeah.
[00:26:21] How does that resonate in your, your spirit? I'm not as mad as I think some people are
[00:26:27] because it's one of those things they say, it's better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission.
[00:26:32] And I think survivor production loves the gray area around rules sometimes, because if you just
[00:26:39] go do it, you know, it might not be the most kosher, but it's going to make for good TV.
[00:26:44] And that's exactly what happened. But I do think there will be some sort of rule change here.
[00:26:49] Um, where ultimately I think you should have to stay literally stay in your lane. Like she
[00:26:56] shouldn't be allowed to go into Kenzie's part of the challenge and grab things because you know,
[00:27:02] where's the line there? Like if I, if I ran into Maria's lane and blocked her from running,
[00:27:08] like that's not like they can't do that. So, um, or she just helps her with the puzzle. Like,
[00:27:14] all right, we're just teaming up on this whole thing. Also that, yeah, it's like
[00:27:20] for this one moment, I, it is kind of an iconic moment in a way, but that's obviously just
[00:27:25] something that we can't have going forward. It ruins the spirit of the game. And again,
[00:27:29] if I were Maria now, if this happened to someone that I was, uh, rooting for a little bit more,
[00:27:35] I'd be more annoyed, but I do see Maria ultimately. I think she had the most reason to be pissed about
[00:27:42] this. And I will say in the moment, she handled it with a lot of, a lot of class and a lot of grace
[00:27:48] because for me, you best believe, well, you know, I would probably have to hold something back,
[00:27:52] but in the moment I'd be like, like, I'll be talking a lot of smack. Like you guys,
[00:27:59] like, especially when they're like Maria, you're so good. We had to team up against you. I'd be
[00:28:04] like, what, what's that? What is that? It's so, it's so annoying. Yeah. That's not cool. I think
[00:28:11] it's a bad precedent. I think we haven't seen something as egregious in the past before.
[00:28:17] I think, uh, I think they should be ashamed of themselves. Um, or at least Liz and I think, um,
[00:28:32] I'm not going to make this a Liz bashing session because I will have,
[00:28:38] I think that there, I think that they might wait to make a rule on it. I E if say people really
[00:28:46] start doing this and teaming up and stuff like that, like two people could have ran the challenge
[00:28:51] in the same lane. You know what I'm saying? Like, so if, if, if it becomes something serious,
[00:28:57] I think they'll make a rule in this case. I think they'll just, they might just wait. Um,
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[00:32:25] I was just gonna say like as frustrating as that cheating stuff was at the same time it was
[00:32:31] interesting but I can't really knock it because if I was in that spot I might have tried to do the
[00:32:35] same thing right there's someone you know you gotta get out is there a world right when Maria got back
[00:32:41] and like there she said 34 like I wonder what would have happened if Maria just was like okay well
[00:32:47] let me just listen to Liz then like what if like because I listen I'm all like and it's like you
[00:32:55] Maria was running back like right so she was up there right like she could there was a world that
[00:33:02] she could have just waited and when she said 34 or 35 that didn't work bitch I would have been
[00:33:08] that would have been dope that would be great TV and she was like all right you going cheaper than
[00:33:13] what's up I'm right here with it right I was also curious about the policy on guessing on because
[00:33:20] when they guess like 34 and it was wrong they went and recounted it again but I'm like if you're in
[00:33:25] the ballpark just why not yeah just what were the there were other like there were four other yeah
[00:33:32] it was like the number of geckos on the puzzle and then like the number of pieces in the puzzle
[00:33:38] and then the number of holes in the play but I mean also because we're not going to make this a
[00:33:43] Liz bashing uh whatever as somebody that's always a good friend and somebody that's like a like
[00:33:50] I'm mad and a Liz pull like you know there is a part of me that's like I'm not
[00:33:57] you don't that's the thing if this if for a million dollars if there's someone I have to make lose the
[00:34:02] challenge I might have done something similar I don't know if I would have I like I would feel
[00:34:07] bad about it um but I can't I can't knock that specifically and I like that I like the initiative
[00:34:13] of like I'm not gonna ask if I can do this I'm just gonna go do it and that's what I mean I feel
[00:34:19] like Survivor production likes that sometimes but there has to be a line of like I do think
[00:34:24] ultimately the line should be you can't leave your lane and like interact with other people's
[00:34:28] yeah or not even that you can't I feel like the rule could have been she could have helped but
[00:34:33] she would have had to grab her plank I don't feel like she should have been able to grab
[00:34:38] that's the thing she would have to stay in her lane and use her own one
[00:34:43] oh go ahead no I agree with Bryce yeah yeah I Survivor is all about not asking for permission
[00:34:51] it's like do it create the game you know in Ghost Island when we had the uh the blindfold challenge
[00:34:58] where you have to lead your whole tribe through this obstacle course to the end with uh but first
[00:35:05] you got to send them out to find three bags of puzzle pieces then once they all have them back
[00:35:10] you have to lead them to the end and do this puzzle as a leader you're you're not blindfolded
[00:35:14] but everyone else is and my stupid behind they they all came back with the bags and then I led
[00:35:20] them all the way to the end and I realized we only had two out of three bags I saw online people
[00:35:28] I ran back to get it myself I was like pew and I got it myself I left my tribe blindfolded they
[00:35:34] didn't know what was going on and I got it and I came back but I saw online people were like nah
[00:35:39] Wendell should have had to bring his whole tribe back I'm not asking for that permission like you
[00:35:45] don't go and go and go in Survivor until they tell you to stop that's the game so I mean I'm sure in
[00:35:51] the heat of a challenge they're looking at everybody making sure the the rules are being followed but
[00:35:57] if you make a split-second decision when the whole challenge is progressing
[00:36:01] I feel like they're not gonna be like whoa whoa whoa like stop you know
[00:36:07] depends because they have been like you know when people try to like break people's knees and like
[00:36:10] the physical challenges or stuff well yeah of course of course um but uh as far as Liz
[00:36:18] I do want to say this about Liz as viewers she looked a little de lulu she looked a little um
[00:36:25] like she really thought that it was cake and we saw it like yo you're not there like that's
[00:36:34] that's not how we view it what I will say is I question if ever and I didn't hear the exit press
[00:36:39] I questioned if everyone on the island boots on the ground thought that about her
[00:36:44] I heard after the fact and you know from I saw something on Twitter I think Q set and now
[00:36:50] not maybe the most reliable narrator but I was told that a I well apparently so this is a whole
[00:36:58] different thing but that's why I answer your question is you know when they did like the
[00:37:01] shot of the jury all together on the beach and Liz wasn't in that and apparently I was thinking oh
[00:37:08] maybe they did that before she got on the jury but apparently she was there but she just wasn't
[00:37:12] rocking with them because when she got to Ponderosa I don't know if it was all of them or
[00:37:16] who said it they told her that no one would have voted for her and she so and she was she was
[00:37:22] pissed and uh so and I mean I also think you could judge it's of course there's some editing
[00:37:27] magic to it but when she was talking her talk and the jury was like yeah
[00:37:36] that that was uh that was a classic moment okay you all to my point that that's my issue though
[00:37:45] and again like this is like anything insulting but it's and this is gonna I'm gonna the phrase
[00:37:52] you're gonna see me with for me it's not it's not a problem with the confidence it's a problem
[00:37:56] with like the arrogance and how I differentiate that is confidence could be a very inward thing
[00:38:01] right you might not have your head wrapped around the game totally and think hey maybe I can win
[00:38:07] this thing and you could be wrong and that's I think completely reasonable but it's the it's
[00:38:13] the act of being like I was gonna be all y'all like you guys were done for like that's just
[00:38:18] arrogant like there's no justification of that so for me it's like I don't feel that bad knocking
[00:38:23] it because that's just like bad behavior like and that that's the sort of thing that continues
[00:38:28] and not not that it's my place to be the one to fix it but it's like if no one ever if you're
[00:38:33] acting some type of way and no one ever hops on their podcast it's like that's whack then you're
[00:38:41] not really ever gonna know that you're being whack because that's just like undebatably
[00:38:45] we're talking about your money that doesn't exist like telling everyone you would have
[00:38:49] beat them like but it's telling you our boy for real like it's so it's just like I don't know
[00:38:58] I have nothing wrong if she's a little quirky and like this and that it's the mix up
[00:39:03] with other people now this might be a hot take now again I'ma say this
[00:39:08] and I had to adjust the whistle is getting wet I had to adjust my attitude
[00:39:18] I had to adjust my attitude before we podcast because you know I wanted to make sure we had
[00:39:21] a great podcast uh here's the thing right and I'ma just be honest Liz rubbed me the wrong way
[00:39:29] right but I'll be honest Quintavious rubbed me the wrong way the first couple of episodes too
[00:39:33] and I learned to love Quintavious there is a world where it's like I feel like my views don't
[00:39:42] align with Liz but I think that she's great TV right like I love the fact that like she's over
[00:39:47] confident she's over like but I'ma just hot take I'ma say it and I don't care
[00:39:53] I feel like the pin on the donkey for me was when she got voted out now this nuance
[00:40:05] may go over some heads but I felt like the god bless America comment for me was like okay
[00:40:15] oh did you say did you say something like that she said that when he was uh
[00:40:18] weighing his stuff on her torch and for me I was like clocked it uh but well I you know what
[00:40:27] and I'm not I don't do any I stopped talking politics I'm not talking politics I'm just like
[00:40:33] I'm just saying but I want to say Bryce she is a unique individual because I got into her follows
[00:40:43] on Instagram and although she doesn't follow any of us and never follow her she does follow
[00:40:51] President Obama she does she just did a um somewhat of a commercial an ad or something
[00:40:59] on her Instagram and her she had a prominent sign behind her that said like stop white silence
[00:41:09] end white silence and so I think I think there's more to Liz than than we know I would love to
[00:41:17] I would love to see white is that just like white people gotta speak out no I mean no it means
[00:41:25] end white silence would say something being ally being ally
[00:41:32] us white people don't need to be talking more man
[00:41:40] maybe I'm wrong I hope it's the other thing but no I'm with you if not even
[00:41:46] if it's not to say
[00:41:58] but I just also I just want to end with again I thought this was great like I just as much
[00:42:05] I feel like because sometimes if people just see clips of this podcast I feel like they think that
[00:42:12] we're shitting on Liz we're not the way that we show love to people is quite frankly we should we
[00:42:19] clown them and so I ain't agree with a lot of Liz's stuff but I have to say in the in a very
[00:42:26] quintavious mindset season 46 would not be season 46 without a Liz Wilcox Bryce to to to cosign what
[00:42:37] I can see a quintavious every season cast them all the time I will gladly watch Liz's on my
[00:42:43] screen every season I disagree to laugh at to disagree with to give me I love a character like
[00:42:52] that I yes but and see I don't even want to say this because it's just for me come on hot take
[00:42:58] it there has to be like I love a kooky character someone that you could laugh at a little bit
[00:43:04] sometimes you laugh with them but at the end of the day there has to be a level of
[00:43:13] like basically if like if Liz Wilcox was on another season I would not be
[00:43:17] happy like I mean we've seen we've seen not the same like yes I guess like again and I'm just
[00:43:27] saying as kooky and again I'm not trying to defend Liz or nothing you know because I said what I said
[00:43:32] in my needy leaks voice she got to the end like she got to final five whether we agree with
[00:43:43] I'm just saying for somebody that's a third boot out I mean she didn't quite get to the end because
[00:43:51] her wrists don't work or something like I don't know yeah I didn't understand that because
[00:43:56] best believe my wrists work in our home co at all time okay up till later
[00:44:04] okay I'm milking a cow here okay you're building it with the wrong sticks
[00:44:13] are we casting do we cast people with weak wrists that would be good at things like I mean do we
[00:44:22] cast people that can't eat food like it's the same question was this like a huge like there were
[00:44:29] there were many red flags I would think right I think that's but that's I mean that's what you're
[00:44:35] ultimately you guys are right that's what brings the entertainment in its own right is
[00:44:39] it's a train wreck I'm sure CBS knew that's kind of what they were gonna get this um season was
[00:44:46] full of them yes Banu
[00:44:53] Q was a Q was the best he was great yeah also I just want to just point this out real quick
[00:45:01] train wreck isn't the right word for Q train wreck isn't the right yeah it's I will call Q a plane
[00:45:08] crash but listen to me why I will call Q a plane crash we love you friend the plane
[00:45:17] has crashed but he ejected a parachute so the fall was graceful I do want to just say this real quick
[00:45:30] he opened up his Q skirt it doubles as a parachute now the alliance of six is in the plane
[00:45:40] that crashed he left them he left them but this is uh I was talking to one of the amazing supporters
[00:45:49] that was at the uh Bryson Wynn New York finale and they said this to me and it didn't resonate with
[00:45:58] me um the diversity initiative it's been so impactful uh we've got so many winners but
[00:46:05] they specifically said to me um how they could have saw Q on a previous season but he wouldn't
[00:46:16] have got the same edit because of the diversity initiative like you know what I mean like he could
[00:46:20] have been like Philip Shepard right like you know and it's like I didn't even think about it like
[00:46:27] that and it's like just a testament again just want to shout out to Survivor shout out to the
[00:46:31] casting shout out to the produce producing shout out to the editing uh because again now let me
[00:46:36] just be clear if Q had a gun boom but he's shooting himself in the foot okay like he shot himself in
[00:46:44] the foot a million times but because we were able to see him as a full person I think that that makes
[00:46:52] all the difference the same with Liz I'm saying same with Liz because I could see her as the same
[00:46:57] person to know she came from poverty to know that I'm pissed the Applebee's is because it's something
[00:47:04] she does with her like the fact that we just get these full stories of people it really makes the
[00:47:10] difference and helps by the 90 minutes as well just getting more time with people for the character
[00:47:15] to develop I totally agree with you it makes the characters more well-rounded thanks to the
[00:47:19] diversity initiative I understand the different backgrounds you mentioned Debbie
[00:47:25] you might think Nora right post 40 we get Carolyn and her edit you know she she looked like she
[00:47:32] could have won the game right so you know I think I think they're doing a much better job at showing
[00:47:39] whole people as opposed to caricatures or one-dimensional people kudos to the uh the
[00:47:44] yes and that's when we did the diversity initiative yes it was black survivors coming
[00:47:50] together but it wasn't just for black people to have it it's for women for minorities for a better
[00:47:57] edit for a bet like so again yes and white silence
[00:48:04] you're absolutely sorry enough of that I don't know what she was talking about
[00:48:09] I think it's why you should have been sorry don't flip that
[00:48:14] um how many of you applied for jobs and they're gonna pull that up
[00:48:19] get them awesome because we're just all over the place today I can we talk about Ben yes I um
[00:48:28] again being at our finale party and I'm conflicted I'll tell you that first okay
[00:48:34] well well let me let me say my piece and you tell me what's conflicted for you
[00:48:38] um I feel like I also feel like justice for Ben right I feel like we saw so much of him in the
[00:48:43] beginning and then his edit kind of went ghost um and so I was very as a Ben Katzman fan happy
[00:48:53] to once see him win something for and for them to tell his story about his night terrors right
[00:48:59] like I feel like that's something that he has been saying a lot uh in his cryptic posts even
[00:49:05] though they're all been happy like I feel like it's kind of like a beautiful nightmare where
[00:49:10] it's like something that happened that is so beautiful but it's a nightmare but you have to
[00:49:15] smile because it's so beautiful I feel like he's been trying to tell us that I know he has a new
[00:49:19] album coming out and tears on the beach is one of the songs uh that I know he performed in New York
[00:49:25] City and I got to listen to the lyrics of it and I just feel like I was happy that they were just
[00:49:32] able to like tell his story I wish we got to see more of his story because I feel like in the end
[00:49:38] people were like well what would it been do like like Ben in my opinion from what I have saw that
[00:49:44] man was out there literally surviving right like and as somebody that takes mental health very
[00:49:50] seriously but somebody that works in the field uh yeah I don't think that we got enough of Ben and I
[00:49:58] don't think the edit did him justice I was glad that we got to this point but I feel like there
[00:50:02] was just so much more going on with Ben and despite everything that he was going through I feel like
[00:50:07] he still was in the game we didn't see it and he made final three so that's that's my take on baby
[00:50:14] boy Ben. I love Ben I think he was a victim of uh of the winners the winner's edit you know like he
[00:50:21] was a casualty of their edit but I'm glad that we got we got fun content of Ben early we got like um
[00:50:30] not fun we got you know the night terrors and other things later I but I think I think we were
[00:50:35] able to get a holistic picture of Ben I think we're able to see the fun Ben the the Ben that
[00:50:43] does get emotional the Ben that does wear his heart on his sleeve the Ben um that people love
[00:50:48] the the so I thought I thought we did see a lot of him but you're the third place finalist that
[00:50:55] didn't get any votes so again um this season is I'd say more so the Kenzie and Charlie who's gonna
[00:51:06] like this season is to build up Kenzie and Charlie and at the end the votes showed that so
[00:51:14] of course we know everything can't be shown but I do think that Ben I do think we saw quite a few
[00:51:20] sides of Ben yeah I I love that I just I just I don't have too much more to say to that like he
[00:51:28] he I do think he was in the mix strategically more than we saw was he necessarily he wasn't
[00:51:33] masterminding things but he never pretended to be like he was always himself he was always real
[00:51:39] always rocking and even just meeting having met him a couple times don't know him super well but
[00:51:44] just always the best energy like just a great great guy and anytime he was on on screen you
[00:51:50] just knew there was gonna be some fun shenanigans going on uh so I I love that yeah I uh I think that
[00:52:03] Tribal was interesting I think that like clearly from this episode we knew that he was like
[00:52:07] suffering and I feel like the fun like he he ha ha Ben showed up instead of actually like Ben
[00:52:15] pretend you on stage and pretend you're playing a guitar because I like again shout out to a
[00:52:22] James Jones it's not about how you got there it's about the story it's about the guitar string that
[00:52:31] you can play to the audience uh so I I hate that this episode proved James Jones very right
[00:52:40] and I remembered clashing with them on that and I think there's some validity to both of
[00:52:46] the arguments although they're not mutually exclusive but yeah I think Kenzie winning
[00:52:52] really that's just the thing it's just the some people just have an energy or aura that
[00:52:59] man they might not be need they might not need to build a resume they might just need to get to the
[00:53:03] end to be able to talk to the jury it's evolving Survivor is evolving Survivor has evolved the
[00:53:09] players have evolved like the criteria for a winner has evolved like there are things that
[00:53:17] you need to do to be a winner but I think like we are witnessing the evolution of Survivor right
[00:53:23] like where it's like I don't know if it's the best evolution though which I mean but
[00:53:30] it's part of the game is the evolution I don't think when primates ever like when we when primates
[00:53:36] went from not having limbs to having limbs like I don't think the primates they didn't have limbs
[00:53:43] I don't think that they was like well that's I mean they were definitely jealous of the opposable
[00:53:48] thumbs like well right that's what I'm saying like you know sometimes when you are in it watching it
[00:53:54] you're not a big fan but when you can open a banana I was about to say but but but in that time though
[00:54:00] the the ones without the thumbs were definitely jealous they were like I need me some of those so
[00:54:04] I can open a banana but they've been opening bananas without them just you know what I'm like
[00:54:09] so it's just like I just I feel like it's just the evolution of the game and the people and the
[00:54:14] dynamic people that they're casting you know what can I say something about that I think they're
[00:54:18] opening up the market I think there was once a time when a certain kind of player could could do
[00:54:25] very well in the game or like like an alpha would be really good or whatever it is right and I think
[00:54:30] that there are there are but so many of those people in the country and in US and Canada I
[00:54:36] think right now they're like all right we're not going to cast a season full of whatever types
[00:54:41] it's going to be all it'll whatever you can grab this crazy cross section and now you know what
[00:54:47] this does it opens up the market now every corner of this country in Canada in the world they believe
[00:54:53] that they have a shot now somebody with wrist issues or somebody with you know they can get
[00:54:58] out here and have and make it to final four so as I don't know I in a game called survivor you
[00:55:06] think that it's like you think that it's like the the kill like those alphas are on an island to kill
[00:55:13] each other whatever the game has evolved to where now it's a collection of people on an island to
[00:55:21] out strategize or whatever each other so the game has evolved and I think the evolution has only
[00:55:28] what has the ability to really widen the audience yeah yeah um and I'm sorry yeah I got a little uh
[00:55:37] alarm it's I think some some police are I think they're looking for Maria for Rob and Charlie
[00:55:42] at a million bucks but um yo you know what sorry I had to I had to but really is their person
[00:55:50] a question I wanted to to ask uh it's more like a big picture new era question and it's something
[00:55:58] that I was thinking about because I'm thinking about why are all my guys losing finalists so
[00:56:04] I mean I just think like that but but I'm like name all your guys jack go ahead name them go
[00:56:11] ahead name them I was gonna say well here's the thing not that you're wrong that can we hear them
[00:56:16] Xander Austin and Charlie for me were people that I was rooting for from the jump people that
[00:56:23] I got to know um and but the common theme between those people what's the common thing okay let's
[00:56:31] like they're not even all the same race so like
[00:56:37] race is a social construct jack uh
[00:56:40] uh but
[00:56:46] I mean no jimmy guys but what it's to be fair those are like the young guys that have made
[00:56:52] the final three and lost like and then like jaco came but that wouldn't really change the demographic
[00:56:57] too much uh I would like to I would like that to change I'm I'm I'm but anyway but the common
[00:57:05] theme for me that I was sort of debating is having talked to these three guys about the game
[00:57:09] their gameplay a lot of it early on we've seen is about mitigating their threat level you know
[00:57:14] athletic guys uh smart young young guys where they come in and they know they can be perceived as
[00:57:19] threats so I know that they all actively worked on lowering that threat level and positioning
[00:57:24] themselves like that and of course for Charlie that was sort of the center point of his game
[00:57:29] uh and I think they all played great games but obviously they all get to the end and lose so what
[00:57:33] I wanted to ask you guys is like how in the new era lowering that threat level has been so important
[00:57:40] but what's the point where you have to kind of like step up and maybe be the big dog
[00:57:44] in order to to win at the end I I have a lot of thoughts on that because one your big three
[00:57:51] I love them all I love a Zandra I love Austin I love a Charlie why is that well I love them
[00:57:58] you love them they are cool people they also happen to be very attractive men and I mean if
[00:58:04] you want to have a deeper conversation we can because I like I think that this is something
[00:58:08] like really interesting because I think that they all are very similar in a lot of ways right and I
[00:58:12] think that I think also how they present in society is very similar I think that in the past pre 33
[00:58:23] we would be looking at winners right like I love a Zandra I think Zandra played great
[00:58:30] you could just say Austin and I get moist I love Charlie right I think what this is showing me
[00:58:38] is that like in this new era and I don't know if it's they need to do more but it's like
[00:58:47] I don't want to say it but I like I just feel like I feel like yeah I won't say what I want to say
[00:58:55] because I don't think anything that you say about is necessarily going to be a bad thing it's more
[00:58:59] just like like what you said okay back in old Survivor these might all be winners now something
[00:59:05] has changed so okay not necessarily not necessarily that anything's changed for this I think it's
[00:59:09] probably changed for the better yes there's something that's different and and I think
[00:59:14] yes there's something that's different and I think people played better games than them
[00:59:20] it's in the first in the case of the first two and then when it comes to Charlie I think Charlie
[00:59:24] I think Charlie had a real argument to win the game and he was very very close I also I agree
[00:59:29] I also feel like Austin and Zander one thing to speak along for the same reason why Jack
[00:59:36] champions those players that's the same reason why I champion a cube I see my I see myself in him I'm
[00:59:43] glad he's out there and I want to see him do very well okay that that's my stance and that's why I
[00:59:48] think a lot of people from a lot of communities can like have many people to root for but that's just
[00:59:55] another thing thank you for that but also this this is not to say that I think those guys all
[01:00:01] should have won their seasons it's more about the question of you know threat level management and
[01:00:07] I think they all did an excellent job at lowering their threat level so for me it's like in order
[01:00:12] for them to have one where in with with that discussion of threat level where do you think
[01:00:18] you know for players playing going forward and it doesn't have to be that demographic more so
[01:00:22] just people looking to lower their threat well where do you have to turn it around is it is it
[01:00:26] do you how do you turn it earlier because there's something to be said about lowering your threat
[01:00:30] level so much that the jurors don't think they don't realize the depth of the game that you play
[01:00:36] specifically for Austin and Xander they needed a little Venus energy like they like they needed
[01:00:41] they like Austin was too nice too loyal Xander was too nice too loyal too amazing right like
[01:00:51] he needed he need like I mean he didn't meet he didn't know me at that point in time right
[01:00:56] uh and yeah he didn't they just they needed to you know they needed to
[01:01:02] and I think that giving just the landscape of a lot of different things going on like
[01:01:07] it's just so much but I specifically for Austin Xander right like I think that they play great
[01:01:11] games I feel like you're right like they mitigated their threat level they kind of like fell to the
[01:01:17] like you know played their game but at some time what Kendrick say sometimes you gotta pop out
[01:01:24] you gotta pop out you gotta Liz Wilcox them you gotta Venus them and I think that they again
[01:01:31] again played this humble attractive talented sexy at the time long hair soft hard hands
[01:01:45] game that won my heart but I think because jury management and different things their stories
[01:01:55] don't sound the same as someone else's story I think in Xander's case he was
[01:02:01] goaded I think um I think everyone knew I think everyone knew he had an idol and I think that
[01:02:08] his story was not going to resonate with that jury at that time period when it comes to Austin
[01:02:14] what was it four to six I think that in his he played he played a game that was as close to
[01:02:20] because with one flip of a vote that is four to four and Jake is the tie-breaking vote I think
[01:02:27] that Austin was sitting next to someone that played a superior game but in Austin's case
[01:02:32] I agree he was right there he was right there so like in his case I think he was over the edge I
[01:02:37] think he did play that superior game but yeah I feel like I did misphrase it because I do champion
[01:02:43] them but I don't necessarily think that they all should have won it's more about they all had that
[01:02:47] similar pattern in their game of like lowering that target level so it's more so like what would
[01:02:52] you guys say to players and it doesn't have to be in that demographic but players going in who are
[01:02:57] like triple threats who want to lower their threat level but like you said Bryce when is that time
[01:03:03] to pop out and really make your mark on the game and still being at the end to win. Yo Tony did it
[01:03:10] in Winners at War yeah he but also Game Changers lowered his threat level a lot he walked into
[01:03:17] Winners at War so different he was a different person and he turned it on after that merge and
[01:03:23] went crazy so like yes it's Bryce I think said it you turn you pop out and show you turn it on
[01:03:29] at the right time you show them who you are I think I think sometimes we we feel like we have
[01:03:36] to play this humble game we've got to be a humble winner and that'll get Jesse voted out at five
[01:03:45] well you know it's such a delicate balance it's a dance you gotta have your stars aligned because
[01:03:53] when you pop out in this new era as soon as you pop out whether it's you making a big move winning
[01:03:59] too many challenges being too personable being too whatever they gonna snipe you yeah it's a delicate
[01:04:05] dance it's you know it's like a budding flower it is and maybe that's the maybe that's the lesson
[01:04:10] as to why like we said Survivors About A Lot of Luck is ultimately if you're gonna win if you're
[01:04:16] gonna win in like a really strong fashion you at some point do have to stick your neck out and
[01:04:23] thinking about like a Jesse where you know he went out in fire making and maybe there's always
[01:04:30] inevitably gonna be that one moment where you have to like clutch up and it just didn't happen
[01:04:35] where so maybe it's like for the lesson I guess to answer my own question based on what you guys
[01:04:41] have said is you maybe you do have to to get after a little bit more and then at the end you just
[01:04:47] clutch up with a challenge or two because maybe there's not that perfect way to position yourself
[01:04:52] in the three and like had Charlie won that final four challenge I mean he might have been able to
[01:04:58] send Kenzie home and then win the whole thing so really it's it's that close it's that turn of
[01:05:03] events I guess those inflection points but I don't know it's it's an interesting because like you said
[01:05:09] when like the new era especially you make a big move you're basically next so it's like how do you
[01:05:15] do that resume in a fun and exciting way but also keep your head down enough to get there it's just
[01:05:23] such a balance for me it also like has to do with like not only jury management right like because
[01:05:29] again I don't want to keep going back to a quintavious but I also think throwing a quintavious
[01:05:34] into the mix right it does a lot in the sense of like you're either for him or you're against him
[01:05:41] and that alone kind of can like split jury votes even though he's not the person that's there
[01:05:48] like look at Maria like Maria saw that as something to be like okay he's a vote but then
[01:05:54] quickly after she starts working with a quintavious it's like they like oh they're number one they're
[01:05:58] number two I don't know it's just something about a cue that I just love because I feel like you
[01:06:04] either love them you either hate them but I also feel like a part of some of his energy kind of
[01:06:09] transcends to the jury. That's the it's an obvious statement but the jury is always it's always it's
[01:06:17] just that's that's another element of the luck in the game it's just like the composition of the
[01:06:21] jury sometimes you're gonna have people that are for you and sometimes you're not and sometimes
[01:06:25] there's not anything you can really do about that but yeah I think so I have to go in a couple
[01:06:30] minutes but I think the two closing things I'd love to discuss are I guess ultimately how do we
[01:06:37] look at Kenzie's win and then also maybe just a little bit about we saw a teaser for Survivor 47
[01:06:42] and I'm really excited for that. Kenzie deserved her win I'd say that the
[01:06:53] the juries decide who wins the jurors decide who wins they picked her Maria had her reasons
[01:06:58] I think Kenzie is a great winner I think she's has spunk I think she like in her confessional
[01:07:05] she talked her trash I am happy for a Kenzie win yeah I've always said I don't anybody that gets to
[01:07:13] the end and can get the votes they've won she had an uphill battle she played a great game
[01:07:22] might not be some of the game that some of the Survivor you know know it all love but listen
[01:07:27] she got to the end and she got votes and last time last time I checked that's how you win Survivor
[01:07:34] and so kudos to Kenzie but again I say every year there's a winner of Survivor
[01:07:41] and then there's the people's winner of Survivor and so just to I just hope that Charlie keeps his
[01:07:48] head up and knows that the Survivor community loves champions him I think that he's amazing
[01:07:54] I think that Dr. Maria is amazing I think that we have so many great people Ben is amazing so I love
[01:08:00] this yeah yeah can I get one quick line about Charlie the way he received information on at
[01:08:09] in the after show is so respectable and commendable and the way he gave credit to
[01:08:15] Kenzie I you know Charlie you know we love you great job I have so much respect for for how you
[01:08:23] handled it all insanely just like very gracious like loss and uh yeah that's the thing ultimately
[01:08:29] I mean Kenzie had a stellar social get going into the finale I really thought there was a good
[01:08:33] chance that maybe Charlie went out like four and then Kenzie has a really really really well-earned
[01:08:39] deserving victory for me I was shocked that Kenzie did win over Charlie that doesn't still take away
[01:08:44] from the fact that she also played a very solid game to me it wasn't at that same level but it
[01:08:49] still saw a game um hopefully now that Charlie's gonna be a lawyer he sees some better juries in his
[01:08:55] career can I just talk real quick the one thing that I loved loved loved loved loved about Charlie
[01:09:04] because I feel like you don't hear this a lot in the new era I loved how Charlie was like listen
[01:09:09] I had played I've been out here 26 days I'd like to get to the ends and not have to go through fire
[01:09:18] like I don't know I thought that was such a real thing to say like listen my resume my resume speak
[01:09:26] like I feel like so many times we get here and people are like put me in an ire I'm in an ire
[01:09:33] the fire making's so dumb I agree I agree with that in that moment Charlie
[01:09:39] I had to change my butchers and I'm with because he acknowledged like you play a really strong
[01:09:44] game why do you need to make it's just completely independent of any gameplay it's just like can
[01:09:48] you make now I respect like if someone steps up and they know they have someone they need to take
[01:09:53] out of the game and they go and do it in fire and they do that that's part of the game but it's just
[01:09:59] like you know Kenzie Kenzie getting Liz and fire I heard it took like an hour so it's like that's
[01:10:04] not impressive like that's not like like my question is though do you think if Charlie
[01:10:12] would have played fire do you think that that would have been the possibly just because like
[01:10:18] perception wise but and you know obviously Maria credited some element of Kenzie making fire to
[01:10:22] but you know I really feel like I saw some people said this if Charlie had made fire I feel like
[01:10:28] Maria would have been like well I respect that Kenzie put herself in a position where she didn't
[01:10:31] have to make fire something like that but Maria I know my opinion on fire is it's in a it's my
[01:10:40] own opinion some sometimes the jury respects the fire making and that's just part of the game so
[01:10:45] uh you can't completely write it off as a factor but anyways I got about two minutes
[01:10:52] well how was that trailer for uh the trailer was amazing I loved it I saw some faces that I
[01:10:59] recognized a lot I saw some faces that I seen at a Bryson Wynn finale last season
[01:11:06] a couple of them I saw some faces that I know I have spoke highly of oh so I am very excited
[01:11:16] I think there might be three four there might be five there might be almost a whole tribe's worth
[01:11:20] of like BWP alums let's go that's big that's really big uh they gotta just throw you guys
[01:11:28] in the casting department okay I'm trying to I want to be on the island like Sandra and Rob
[01:11:34] it was fun it was funny at that during when it played at the finale party half the people got
[01:11:41] like big cheers I was like are they in the building like but I guess they have been in
[01:11:46] the building so maybe that's what it was but uh it looks like I did see someone with the beginning
[01:11:51] of the teaser when they kind of tease I guess sort of an artistic element to the season
[01:11:57] I almost thought and people said maybe there would be like it seems like there's not going
[01:12:01] to be a theme but I was sort of hoping maybe there would be like a theme I saw someone said
[01:12:05] maybe it was it was artists versus artisans or something like uh I don't know I kind of
[01:12:11] love I have a theme again let's give a shout out to Asia Asia to Andy Andy Rome Rome and I
[01:12:22] have a more are these people on the season yes they are yeah and them we we see them and let this
[01:12:30] lastly let's just end this on let this be a reminder that you can send in the tape you can
[01:12:36] get a call back you could be waitlisted like follow your dream you never know when the time
[01:12:43] is going to come keep shooting your shot windows sent in 137 videos plus or minus and I mean not
[01:12:53] to say that this this isn't legal this isn't legally binding it's not to say correlation
[01:12:57] implies causation but it seems like if you go to a Bryson when presents
[01:13:12] it's like the Bryson that's where the the fans really show out yeah and obviously in the new
[01:13:18] era they just love having big fans so it's the right environment for for just fun big survival
[01:13:25] I can hear the next on fire podcast now Jack okay don't don't don't add them climb me
[01:13:35] but no I think there is some truth to that what you're saying Jack in the sense of
[01:13:39] I feel like our parties look like actual seasons the makeup the diversity of the people the age
[01:13:47] range uh it's just a melting pot of amazingness and so yeah it's the epitome of everything that
[01:13:54] we love about survival but obviously again that was the actual no correlation that was obviously
[01:14:00] joke but um it is fun to see that people that are showing out are really showing out to Fiji now so
[01:14:09] yes but yeah I gotta run but it's been a great season we will see you in the fall
[01:14:14] maybe sooner with some other go ahead quick quick question how sorry how do we rank 46
[01:14:23] among the new era overall how many of the errors do we have that we're including so this is what
[01:14:34] 41 through 46 let's say how does it stack up for you best of the new era for entertainment okay
[01:14:42] lower third and new era for uh gameplay gameplay okay I think I'm gonna go with that
[01:14:49] I would agree with that for me 46 and 45 are close and they both in their own right uh have
[01:14:55] different things that I love about them um but yeah undoubtedly 46 was wildly entertaining even
[01:15:02] though for me the finale wasn't exactly what I wanted but that's it's not it's not about me so
[01:15:10] well there's always season 40 several right around the corner and we'll be back to cover
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