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[00:00:25] What's going on and welcome to this week's Purple Pants Podcast Survivor News Edition

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[00:01:07] Baby!

[00:01:09] Whew! I personally thought that episode was a lot

[00:01:13] I said to myself when I was watching the episode

[00:01:17] Wait a minute, we're going to Tribal Council and there's still 30 minutes left?

[00:01:22] Baby! It's going to be good

[00:01:24] And so I'm so excited to have the baby boys with me

[00:01:26] Jack Atkins and Wendell Holland to help me break down this episode

[00:01:30] So let's get right into this week's Survivor News

[00:02:06] Survivor News

[00:02:07] Halloween edition of season 47. I'm excited to be here. Okay. My name is Tsunami. Okay.

[00:02:14] And I am 45 years old. I'm so happy to be here. I believe I am so excited to have the contestant

[00:02:24] from Survivor 47, not the first merge boot, but a boot before the merge, before the merge.

[00:02:31] Let's welcome Rome to the podcast. What's popping Rome? How we doing? It's good to be here,

[00:02:36] gentlemen, lady and gentlemen. It's good to be here. Yes. I didn't make it to the merge,

[00:02:43] but I still was able to sit and approach this seat. So that's a win for me. Thank you very much.

[00:02:48] And somebody that has their hands clean all season and they might like to wet the whistle.

[00:02:54] Let's welcome to the podcast. The fan favorite teeny what's going on?

[00:02:58] Yo! What up? It's Teeny. Yeah, just chilling, vibing. Been hitting the wine a little bit. Might need a buddy,

[00:03:10] but thanks so much for having me, guys. Teeny, did you say you need a buddy?

[00:03:16] I might need a buddy. Well, you know, Wendell and I or Rome and Sue, you know we in the Big Easy,

[00:03:23] baby. So, you know, we couldn't go. Okay. We went on. Let's do this episode.

[00:03:29] Let's go. Let's get it.

[00:03:33] Woo. It's a lock on this episode. And if you're listening, yes, the baby boys came in Halloween.

[00:03:44] So head over to the Bryce Isaiah YouTube page and see and get your life. But listen, let's get to

[00:03:50] some things because we have an episode to talk about. But Jackery, New Orleans, this Wednesday,

[00:03:58] it was something special. Like we said, we had a very intimate setting. We knew that we were doing

[00:04:04] something special. We had Phil from the Survivor Specialist coming and we were trying something out.

[00:04:09] We had a podcast. We did a live podcast and baby Jack, when I tell you.

[00:04:16] Woo. It felt really good. We're at Urban South. They had like what looked like a perfect podcast

[00:04:23] set up already for us. We had our friends come up from our friends, Erica and Derek, come up from

[00:04:33] Mississippi to shoot us. And yeah, it just, it came together nicely.

[00:04:40] Yeah. We had Alagabla.

[00:04:43] Well, we got, you know, we got to get some things together, but that should be dropping soon.

[00:04:50] So we had obviously Alagabla came as a Alagabla. We had Darnell from Survivor Caron. We had Owen

[00:04:58] from season 43 and we had some other special guests that were in the building. So if you were there,

[00:05:02] you know, but it was so much fun. Like the episode was a great episode. And Jack, that concludes the

[00:05:10] first leg of the BWP tour 47, which is crazy to say the first leg is over. We go on a little two

[00:05:18] week break, but listen, the baby boys are coming back strong. We will be in Chicago, November 20th.

[00:05:24] We will be in Philadelphia on Thanksgiving Eve, November 22nd. We'll be in Boston,

[00:05:31] December 4th. We'll be in Washington DC, December 11th and the grand finale in Brooklyn on December

[00:05:36] 18th. So listen, get your tickets for the BWP tour 47 part two, two Pete leg two of the BWP tour is

[00:05:44] super amazing. And if leg two is going to be anything like leg one or what it has been in the past,

[00:05:53] I don't think you want to miss these stops because I mean, listen, I might be 43 by the time we get to

[00:06:01] Boston. It was, it's been, it's been a great first half and the second half is going to be even

[00:06:08] better. We purposely loaded certain dates towards the end and it's going to be up. Now, my only

[00:06:14] question, Bryce, we need to backtrack a little. What season of Survivor is Darnell from?

[00:06:19] Yeah.

[00:06:21] Koran. Koran. The, the holy, uh, the holy word.

[00:06:29] What is it, Bryce?

[00:06:31] Well, he said Koran, Koran, which is like half of a Mexican beer.

[00:06:37] Koran.

[00:06:41] He's from Survivor. He's in 32. Koran. That's where Michelle, it's Gerald wine.

[00:06:48] Koran. Koran. All right. He's from the Koran. Blessings.

[00:06:53] As-salamu alaykum. Okay.

[00:06:56] Okay.

[00:06:57] How do you, Jack, how do you say the season?

[00:07:00] Koran. Like, you're close. There's just like a G on, like, Koran.

[00:07:07] Like, Koran.

[00:07:08] So I was wrong. I was, I was Koran.

[00:07:10] You're so wrong. You're so wrong. Uh, I wasn't gonna say anything, bro.

[00:07:17] I'm, I'm, I'm Pini chill.

[00:07:19] Pini, you're chilling, but you know, Romey, Rome over here.

[00:07:23] Rome's actually been to Koran.

[00:07:26] Uh, yeah.

[00:07:28] So, a little bit different episode than we usually get.

[00:07:33] I mean, we had this, I think we saw in season 44, briefly, we have this, uh, split tribe.

[00:07:42] Um, we also have this safety without power situation.

[00:07:46] Before we get into it, what'd you guys think of this episode overall?

[00:07:51] I thought it was good.

[00:07:53] I thought it was great.

[00:07:54] I think the first five minutes of it, the Andy show, where Andy was laying his fist down and saying, Andy was popping off.

[00:08:05] Andy was putting his pieces to the puzzle together.

[00:08:07] I was feeling that part of it.

[00:08:09] Then the end was so crazy.

[00:08:11] And then I got on Reddit and now I got all these questions.

[00:08:17] What was going down on Reddit?

[00:08:19] That's how you thinking.

[00:08:20] Uh, so I think I was, when I was out with Breakfast with Wendell and I was like, happened to scroll on Reddit.

[00:08:26] And there was a post that read something about, they wish Survivor would leave out, no, stop manipulating the episodes and just let the players play.

[00:08:36] And I said, what?

[00:08:37] Oh yeah, I saw that.

[00:08:39] What?

[00:08:40] I said, players, they gonna play.

[00:08:43] And haters, they gonna hate.

[00:08:45] Ooh, ballers, they gonna ball.

[00:08:48] Shot callers, they gonna call.

[00:08:50] That ain't got nothing to do.

[00:08:53] With me and you.

[00:08:56] It's the way it is.

[00:08:58] It's the way it is.

[00:09:01] So, I'll call friends.

[00:09:03] Don't wanna see me with you, teeny.

[00:09:06] Behind your back.

[00:09:08] Calling Tiana and all of them.

[00:09:11] They ain't got nothing to do.

[00:09:14] With me and you.

[00:09:16] It's the way it is.

[00:09:18] It's the way it is.

[00:09:20] Jack, title, or artist.

[00:09:24] I have an educated guess.

[00:09:27] I'm gonna guess called me and you.

[00:09:32] I'm gonna guess no.

[00:09:34] Okay.

[00:09:35] And then I'm gonna artist.

[00:09:37] It's probably wrong, but at least it's something I've learned from you guys.

[00:09:41] I'm gonna say Aaliyah.

[00:09:42] Oh, wow.

[00:09:43] No.

[00:09:44] I thought he was gonna guess Destiny's Child.

[00:09:46] So, at least.

[00:09:47] That's an okay guess, right?

[00:09:48] Okay.

[00:09:49] That's right.

[00:09:51] Kinda.

[00:09:52] This group is after them.

[00:09:54] I'll give you another little hint.

[00:09:56] I'm getting a little tired of your broken promises.

[00:09:59] Promises.

[00:10:00] Looking at the pages thing in different numbers and numbers.

[00:10:02] Call you on the side.

[00:10:03] You're hanging with the fellas.

[00:10:04] Fellas.

[00:10:04] Hanging with my girls.

[00:10:05] You always get jealous.

[00:10:07] It's not just Space Girls, is it?

[00:10:09] Well, well.

[00:10:13] No more.

[00:10:15] No more.

[00:10:16] No more.

[00:10:17] Baby, I'ma do right.

[00:10:19] You can't.

[00:10:20] Okay.

[00:10:21] It's three of them.

[00:10:24] Okay.

[00:10:25] Say it again.

[00:10:27] It's three of them.

[00:10:28] They're not tall and they happen to be women.

[00:10:32] Oh, I feel you've given me this one before.

[00:10:34] It's like...

[00:10:37] Was this the one when you were like, your brother or whatever?

[00:10:42] Like, sisters?

[00:10:45] No, it's not.

[00:10:46] No?

[00:10:46] That was a different group, but you gave it...

[00:10:48] Yes.

[00:10:49] It's similar.

[00:10:50] They are...

[00:10:51] They do...

[00:10:53] They're not tall.

[00:10:55] They're not tall and they are ladies.

[00:10:58] The short girls.

[00:11:01] You've never heard of 3LW, Jack?

[00:11:07] 3LW?

[00:11:07] No.

[00:11:08] I actually...

[00:11:08] I don't know if I feel better or worse now because I've never heard of 3LW.

[00:11:12] 3L.

[00:11:13] Little?

[00:11:14] Have you...

[00:11:14] Three Little Women?

[00:11:16] Is that...

[00:11:16] Yes.

[00:11:17] Have you heard of the...

[00:11:18] I've never heard of that.

[00:11:18] Have you heard of the Cheetah Girls?

[00:11:20] Yeah, of course.

[00:11:22] Okay.

[00:11:22] Well, Adrian Bailon and the two of them...

[00:11:26] I don't know the history of it.

[00:11:28] Well, no.

[00:11:29] But the Cheetah Girls was Raven-Symoné, Adrian Bailon, and I forget the other girl's name.

[00:11:34] Keeley.

[00:11:35] They were part of...

[00:11:36] You know...

[00:11:37] Then...

[00:11:37] Have you seen the show Power?

[00:11:40] No.

[00:11:41] Is Raven-Symoné the one from That's So Raven, though?

[00:11:43] So, yes.

[00:11:44] But Raven-Symoné isn't in 3LW.

[00:11:46] But two members of the Cheetah Girls was in 3LW.

[00:11:50] It was Notori, Keeley, and Adrian.

[00:11:55] But anyway, okay.

[00:11:57] Little history lesson for you.

[00:11:58] I'll never forget that.

[00:12:01] We'll see.

[00:12:03] Wait, wait.

[00:12:04] So where were we?

[00:12:06] So...

[00:12:06] With the Reddit.

[00:12:08] Yeah.

[00:12:08] They said, no more production manipulation.

[00:12:11] Just let the players play.

[00:12:13] And I'm like...

[00:12:14] Hmm?

[00:12:16] I wouldn't say all that.

[00:12:18] That's how I felt.

[00:12:19] But I mean, people in the comments were going off.

[00:12:25] Bryce, are you in the comments on Reddit?

[00:12:27] No, I'm not.

[00:12:29] No, I'm not.

[00:12:31] Bryce was going off.

[00:12:32] Let them play.

[00:12:34] Is this your vote?

[00:12:36] It wasn't my vote.

[00:12:38] They've been doing this since Kageyan episode two.

[00:12:43] Let them play.

[00:12:44] Let them play.

[00:12:45] I stand Kageyan.

[00:12:47] Darnell got screwed in.

[00:12:49] Karan.

[00:12:51] Karan.

[00:12:52] I'm dead.

[00:12:56] No, it's like, is it the best twist of the season?

[00:13:01] No.

[00:13:02] But is it...

[00:13:03] I think, you know, that advantage was premeditated.

[00:13:05] You know, they probably said, let's split them up.

[00:13:07] There's going to be an advantage at the reward.

[00:13:09] And it just so happened that Rachel ended up being in, like, I guess, the worst situation.

[00:13:14] Or you could say the perfect situation.

[00:13:16] Where she's the recipient.

[00:13:19] And I guess that's where people can look at it like, what are the odds that this is what the idol happens to say when Rachel is with everybody and she's by herself?

[00:13:31] I don't believe that, but I'm just saying, like, I can see...

[00:13:35] Oh, is that what you wrote on the Reddit comment?

[00:13:40] Someone said that verbatim.

[00:13:42] Bryce, now, how did they pick the groups?

[00:13:44] Was the intern lacking this episode?

[00:13:47] Clearly, they fired the intern.

[00:13:49] And you clear, like, they're only digging in the bags now.

[00:13:53] They're not holding the tray out because that intern got fired.

[00:13:56] So, no.

[00:13:57] But I'm not saying that that was the manipulation.

[00:13:59] But because it was so random and Rachel did get screwed by being on a tribe with myself, Kyle, Caroline, and Tiana.

[00:14:11] Like, it really puts her in a bad position.

[00:14:13] And someone else in the comments was saying, like, after an episode where Rome went home and editing.

[00:14:19] It was hard to hide the edit of Rome going home.

[00:14:22] Then with this, with a Rachel.

[00:14:25] That's just, again, I'm just...

[00:14:26] Don't shoot the messenger.

[00:14:27] I'm just reporting what the fans were saying already.

[00:14:31] Yeah.

[00:14:32] No, I...

[00:14:33] Yeah, I wouldn't say this was, like, blatant production interference.

[00:14:38] It just so happened to be a situation that, you know, kind of became pretty predictable.

[00:14:43] Like, it made sense for them to give Rachel this advantage.

[00:14:47] I also felt like, you know, we see them at the reward.

[00:14:50] They're all taking naps.

[00:14:51] It's, like, I'm guessing production kind of held them at that reward until someone found the advantage.

[00:14:57] Which, you know, they wanted that advantage to be found.

[00:15:01] I doubt that they, like, pointed anyone in that direction.

[00:15:06] But you lay around long enough.

[00:15:09] Why would they want the advantage to be found so bad?

[00:15:14] Well, it's like, that's kind of, I feel like, what they had intended for the structure of this split.

[00:15:21] Now, I'm not saying that's good or bad, but it's sort of like, I'm sure they were like, okay, we're going to do this two-trips split.

[00:15:27] And then the twist is going to be that someone's going to get this advantage, and that's going to spice it up.

[00:15:32] I feel like they would have done that either way.

[00:15:34] You know, however the breakdown had happened, that's what they would have wanted to do.

[00:15:39] Yeah.

[00:15:39] I think when they, yeah.

[00:15:43] They wanted it to be found.

[00:15:44] When they make these advantages, they want them to be found.

[00:15:46] So, hey, all right.

[00:15:48] We're going to hide it right here.

[00:15:50] How?

[00:15:52] You know my man is Andy.

[00:15:53] How do y'all think Andy did?

[00:15:57] Andy was on a roll, and I think that he was on a roll getting his alliance together.

[00:16:02] He was on a roll checking soul.

[00:16:06] But when it came to that reward and Andy was there, got no one to hold him and no one to fold him, Andy.

[00:16:15] What did they say?

[00:16:16] Hey, did you find anything?

[00:16:18] Who said yourself?

[00:16:20] I mean, yeah.

[00:16:22] It's always so stigmatized, but honestly, at that point, I'm like, who really?

[00:16:27] Yeah, whatever.

[00:16:28] Like, I don't know.

[00:16:29] It's not that big a deal.

[00:16:31] Like, just why not look around?

[00:16:32] I don't know.

[00:16:33] Now, another question is, because he was seen, I don't remember who found him looking, but now it's like, all right, who sent this over to Rachel?

[00:16:43] Maybe people would be like, yo, it might have been Andy.

[00:16:47] Andy was like, no, I promise.

[00:16:50] Y'all saw me looking.

[00:16:51] That's a great point.

[00:16:53] Yeah.

[00:16:54] And Saul did a great job of, you know, kind of, the what?

[00:17:01] What do you know?

[00:17:04] Yeah.

[00:17:06] I don't know.

[00:17:07] Like, I don't really know where to begin with this episode.

[00:17:11] I honestly thought this episode was probably the worst of the season.

[00:17:13] I didn't, I didn't by any means think it was bad, but I thought it was probably the worst episode of the season.

[00:17:21] You know, it just was a little, now I'll take a 90 minute episode every day of the week, but there was times this one was moving a little, you know, when they go back to the reward challenge for the fourth time to show that map in.

[00:17:33] It's like, all right, we're a little bit starved for content here.

[00:17:38] The thing is.

[00:17:40] I thought quite the opposite though, Jack.

[00:17:42] Like, I thought this was a thrilling episode.

[00:17:47] And when I was sitting next to, there was someone that came to the Halloween party dressed as Bryce.

[00:17:52] Shout out to my girl Leah.

[00:17:54] When I was sitting next to Leah, I looked at the watch.

[00:17:56] I said, we've got 30 minutes left and we're going to tribal.

[00:18:00] I'm like, buckle up.

[00:18:01] We're in for a ride.

[00:18:02] I enjoyed it.

[00:18:04] I thought this episode was very interesting for a multitude of reasons, but pop off, Jack.

[00:18:12] Well, yeah, that's the thing.

[00:18:13] You had texted me, um, right when we were starting, you were like, it's a crazy episode, which all in the future.

[00:18:22] I generally prefer.

[00:18:24] No comments on the episode.

[00:18:26] Don't text me, Jack.

[00:18:27] Jack there.

[00:18:28] Don't text me when you know the episode is playing.

[00:18:31] And that's not a spoiler.

[00:18:34] It's, it's, it's not, I'll say it's a big deal, but it's like a minor spoiler because you kind of expect something crazy to happen, which actually I didn't really think anything that crazy happened.

[00:18:44] So it's a reverse spoiler.

[00:18:45] It was kind of a reverse spoiler.

[00:18:47] But you know, it's like, sometimes you'll hear like, yo, this episode was nuts.

[00:18:51] And then you're watching the whole time, like seeing this crazy plan.

[00:18:54] You're like, well, now I know it's probably going to happen.

[00:18:57] But that's, that's a, that's, that's not, that's a separate thing.

[00:19:01] Jack, I will never text you on a Wednesday again.

[00:19:05] Well, keep it logistical.

[00:19:07] What time are you recording the podcast?

[00:19:10] But I knew you were NOLA too.

[00:19:11] And you were, no, no, that was, I'm not mad at it.

[00:19:14] It was totally fine.

[00:19:16] That's just a thing moving forward.

[00:19:18] He was really mad.

[00:19:19] Wendell, did, did Jack just check me?

[00:19:22] He just, he just kind of like bossed up on you, Bryce.

[00:19:25] No, no, it wasn't.

[00:19:27] Don't do it again, Bryce.

[00:19:29] Okay.

[00:19:29] Is Jack, Andy and I'm Saul?

[00:19:32] What is happening here?

[00:19:35] No, I'm TV.

[00:19:36] I'm chill.

[00:19:37] You got the wrong costume on.

[00:19:39] No, no, I really, that wasn't meant to be, that's not, it wasn't a big deal.

[00:19:42] Like, uh.

[00:19:43] But don't do it again.

[00:19:45] That's right.

[00:19:49] But I don't know, I don't know.

[00:19:50] Like it just became, it's okay.

[00:19:52] Look, I think that the blue tribe, Tuku, which it ended up just being a, it basically was

[00:20:01] a Tuku pre-merged tribal council that everyone got to watch.

[00:20:04] I think Tuku is far and away the most boring tribe on this season.

[00:20:11] And I don't know if that's a hot take.

[00:20:12] I think some other people have shared that, shared that take and maybe been a little bit

[00:20:17] harsher about it.

[00:20:19] So the people that I'm rooting for.

[00:20:21] You talking about my tribe, Tuku?

[00:20:23] That's right.

[00:20:23] You're the best of them, Sue.

[00:20:25] You're the best of them.

[00:20:28] So, all right.

[00:20:29] Well, okay.

[00:20:30] Well, listen.

[00:20:31] We're in the know, baby.

[00:20:32] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:20:35] So who is the boringness on that tribe?

[00:20:38] I think as a.

[00:20:42] Nobody specifically, but there's nobody that's a standout.

[00:20:45] You got to put a name on that bullet.

[00:20:46] But you got to stand.

[00:20:48] In a way, I'll kind of say collectively.

[00:20:52] Gabe is fun to watch.

[00:20:55] Well.

[00:20:58] Okay.

[00:20:59] The game is also sort of intentionally in my thought, my own thoughts on game side.

[00:21:02] He's kind of playing up the villain thing.

[00:21:04] And so to me, there's nobody on Tuku that I'm like really invested in rooting for.

[00:21:11] And that's not, I'm not saying anyone's playing like necessarily bad, but all the people I'm

[00:21:15] rooting for are on that other group, like Genevieve, Teenie, Saul, Sam.

[00:21:20] That's kind of like my, and baby Andy.

[00:21:24] Those are the people that are my, probably my top five.

[00:21:27] I mean, I like a good, I like Kyle, but Kyle's fun and like a, kind of like a Southern charm,

[00:21:34] like some good one liners, but he's not carrying like the narrative of the episode.

[00:21:39] Can I tell you a player that got put on my radar from Tuku this episode?

[00:21:45] And I know we're all over the place.

[00:21:46] Caroline.

[00:21:47] I thought the way when Tiana came to her and that conversation that she had, I thought it,

[00:21:53] she handled that extremely well.

[00:21:56] Now me as a viewer, knowing what I know from these previous episodes, Caroline is not breaking

[00:22:01] from me, her mother, Sue.

[00:22:03] However, the way that she was talking to Caroline or when Caroline was talking to Tiana and, you

[00:22:09] know, Tiana knew that Caroline wasn't really with her, but the way Caroline was like, no,

[00:22:13] no, no, no, no, no.

[00:22:14] Like this isn't a democracy.

[00:22:17] I mean, this isn't a, no, this is a democracy.

[00:22:20] This is not a dictatorship.

[00:22:23] Like I speak, you speak, tell me what you thinking.

[00:22:25] The way that Caroline maneuvered that, I was like, wow.

[00:22:32] And we, and mind you, it's, it's almost like Jeff last week, like, guess what guys?

[00:22:39] One person's safe and everyone else isn't.

[00:22:44] It really was like, wow, you speak, I speak.

[00:22:48] We don't have to agree, but like, we can still work together.

[00:22:51] That seems like such a nuance on Survivor, but it's like, it was so refreshing to see.

[00:22:57] And I don't think we haven't seen that type of like communication in a long time.

[00:23:01] I mean, I definitely think Caroline's the strongest player on that tribe.

[00:23:04] I'm not, we just haven't, we haven't learned a ton about her yet.

[00:23:09] And she hasn't had enough air time for me necessarily to be invested in her as like a

[00:23:12] rooting interest, but I definitely think she's a good player.

[00:23:15] I think she communicates very well.

[00:23:17] You know, when she realized that Sue found the idol, I thought she handled that very well.

[00:23:21] Just giving her, she's a great ally and she's really smart.

[00:23:24] And I saw a comment.

[00:23:25] I think I was also looking at Reddit.

[00:23:27] It's like, you can tell Caroline's in corporate America because she's very direct, but she also

[00:23:31] has a really good way of like gearing her arguments to make sense to whoever she's talking to.

[00:23:36] And I think the interesting conversation to have here is this idea that if you're on

[00:23:41] Tuku, kind of the debate they had is like, is voting out Rachel ultimately a bad move?

[00:23:48] And I think generally, yes, that it is, but Caroline actually argued it's a bad move for

[00:23:53] Gabe and Kyle, but it's actually, you know, for her and Tiana, maybe not a bad move.

[00:23:58] And so I kind of want to throw that to you guys of like, for this Tuku group, who does

[00:24:03] it, does it make sense for all of them to vote out Rachel?

[00:24:06] Does it make sense for like none of them to vote out?

[00:24:08] Like if you're in that Tuku group, what do you think about what you should do?

[00:24:13] I think that's really astute, Jack, because truth like Kyle just, Kyle's winning these

[00:24:18] immunities.

[00:24:19] Next time he doesn't win, that man's going home.

[00:24:23] And there are these natural targets that can be placed before them.

[00:24:27] And then once Tuku is down to whatever, eyes are elsewhere.

[00:24:31] And that's when things start to happen.

[00:24:33] So I think, I think she was right with that assessment.

[00:24:37] Agreed.

[00:24:39] And when we merge, if we're down, if we're down in the numbers, why are they not going

[00:24:44] to pick us off right away?

[00:24:47] So I do understand that.

[00:24:49] However, I also feel like that's just status quo, right?

[00:24:55] Like it's just like, it really is just, that is the easy move.

[00:24:58] And I feel like in this new era, when we get these easy vote outs, it's never really an easy

[00:25:03] vote out.

[00:25:04] And I think that that's where Tiana was leaning towards.

[00:25:07] And I loved my girl Tiana, but it really just has me thinking, or maybe we're not giving

[00:25:13] an, and mind you, I'm very sad and I love my girl Tiana, but I also feel like maybe we're

[00:25:17] not giving Tiana, we're not giving Caroline and Sue enough credit.

[00:25:23] Because again, Tiana going to Caroline with that, we didn't see it in the edit, but I am

[00:25:29] a thousand percent sure Caroline took that information back to me and I am a thousand percent

[00:25:37] sure I took it to Gabe, right?

[00:25:39] Like I just know that that was the line of events.

[00:25:42] And for me, it is surprising that, or what it appears is that like, does Tiana not know

[00:25:49] the chain of command?

[00:25:50] Are they making her feel more comfortable in the Alliance than she really is?

[00:25:56] Yeah, I think you're definitely right.

[00:25:58] Caroline and Sue have done a pretty good job of keeping their options open.

[00:26:02] And Caroline positions herself really well as a swing vote.

[00:26:05] And unfortunately for Tiana, like, and I think they've, I think Sue and Caroline position

[00:26:10] herself really well.

[00:26:11] So I don't think, I wouldn't expect Tiana to know that they're not going to flip on

[00:26:15] Gabe, but that's like a great job by them because Tiana can only go to them and they have

[00:26:21] all the control and it's, it's just not going to shake out for Tiana here.

[00:26:27] Can I ask a question real quick?

[00:26:29] A little bit off topic, but you saying your comment that you wrote on Reddit about Caroline

[00:26:35] being a corporate America, it has me thinking, because you know, I might be in the big easy,

[00:26:41] but I still had to work this morning.

[00:26:42] And you ever have passive aggressive coworkers?

[00:26:51] Yeah.

[00:26:52] So can we just go around the way, go around the circle?

[00:26:56] And what are some, how do you communicate F you, F you corporate America way?

[00:27:05] For me, one of my favorite tactics at work is when somebody sends me something that is

[00:27:11] like, you already know the answer.

[00:27:13] And why are you CCing my manager, my supervisor and everybody else?

[00:27:19] Well, you could have just emailed me, right?

[00:27:21] Sorry.

[00:27:21] Cause I just, I'm dealing with this currently.

[00:27:24] My favorite, favorite, favorite for me is good afternoon, Jack.

[00:27:34] Per my last email.

[00:27:36] Oh, the way I get off when I can start an email like that.

[00:27:44] Ooh.

[00:27:45] Cause really what I'm saying is read what I sent to you last before you ask me any questions.

[00:27:54] And then they'll be like, I read it in full and I'm asking you a new question, Bryce.

[00:27:59] Can you fully read my email?

[00:28:02] So, Hey, Hey Wendell, thanks for your response.

[00:28:12] My supervisor and I met and realized this is not in my job description.

[00:28:18] Well, no, but what's the passive aggressive?

[00:28:20] What's the way you could say, Oh, in an email, Jack.

[00:28:24] Usually I feel like it's like, hopefully we can figure this out promptly.

[00:28:28] And I won't have to loop in your, your manager or your, your, whatever.

[00:28:33] Or it could be like, uh, maybe you just throw in like hoping to hear your response in like

[00:28:41] a timely manner.

[00:28:43] Okay.

[00:28:44] Or another one I do is, Hey Jack, thanks for your prompt response.

[00:28:50] Really?

[00:28:50] It's been two weeks and you ain't respond back to my email.

[00:28:53] That's another one.

[00:28:54] What's a, what's a smart email for you?

[00:28:59] I'm not in corporate America, Bryce.

[00:29:03] What about when you're, when you're communicating for your, uh, home makeover and they're like,

[00:29:10] one, no, we need you.

[00:29:13] I'll be like, oh my last email.

[00:29:17] I will be right there.

[00:29:19] W thanks.

[00:29:22] Um, but, uh, that just reminded me of something.

[00:29:25] And I was dealing with some work stuff with somebody that just loves to CC everybody in

[00:29:29] the world.

[00:29:29] And it's like, well, first, okay.

[00:29:31] Can we get back to the Bible?

[00:29:32] I'm being lazy.

[00:29:33] No, I'm not.

[00:29:34] But first of all, you CCing everyone in the world.

[00:29:39] I promise you.

[00:29:41] I promise you that is the fastest way for you to get a response from me in three days.

[00:29:50] So, so if they CC everyone, so, so you're going to show everyone how lazy you are.

[00:29:55] No, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:29:57] I'm lazy.

[00:29:57] I'm not lazy.

[00:29:58] Cause you can look at my calendar and you can see all of the things that I'm doing.

[00:30:01] I don't have the time to take to respond to you, but I'm just telling you that's a

[00:30:04] fast track way of you not getting a response until 48 hours.

[00:30:07] But anyway, just call me Carolyn.

[00:30:09] Thank you for listening.

[00:30:14] Um, yeah.

[00:30:15] Okay.

[00:30:17] Here's another thing.

[00:30:18] Yeah, go ahead.

[00:30:19] No, no, go.

[00:30:20] Go ahead, Jack.

[00:30:20] I want to hear you.

[00:30:21] Well, I was going to say, as, as, as much as it didn't work for Tiana, I do think she

[00:30:26] had the right headspace here because if they do vote out Rachel, we see on this reward that

[00:30:31] the other six are like, he's too cool or tight.

[00:30:35] We got a group together.

[00:30:36] And now I don't know if Tiana would be target number one, but maybe she'd be the one that

[00:30:39] they'd be that Tuka would be willing to sacrifice.

[00:30:41] So I don't mind Tiana here being a little bit willing to play ball.

[00:30:46] Unfortunately, it's just like Gabe, uh, Caroline and Sue are too tight.

[00:30:51] You know, Gabe has this kind of the same idea, but he doesn't really mean it.

[00:30:55] And Rachel sees right through it, but I actually think it would have been beneficial for Gabe

[00:30:58] to get that route.

[00:31:00] Um, it just, I think it just came off really disingenuous to Rachel, but I'm worried that

[00:31:04] Gabe, you know, is going to be in trouble here soon because even with Rachel going home

[00:31:09] and them having to vote out one of their own, they still unanimously vote out Tiana.

[00:31:13] And I think Tuku's still, and they were really, you know, heartbroken about it kind of visibly.

[00:31:20] I still think the other group is going to be like these Tuku four now are still really

[00:31:25] tight.

[00:31:25] So we still have to target them.

[00:31:27] And I think Gabe could be just kind of a premier target for that.

[00:31:31] More than Kyle?

[00:31:32] I think more than Kyle.

[00:31:34] I think Kyle will flip.

[00:31:36] Like I think, well, one, if Kyle doesn't want immunity, I definitely think the block

[00:31:41] is hot for Kyle.

[00:31:42] However, I feel like with Tiana gone, they've taken out TK.

[00:31:47] Kyle is a free agent and I am hoping that my baby father, Andy can scoop Kyle up because

[00:31:56] I think that, and I, I think that Andy has a good enough eye on the game that I think

[00:32:01] something like that could be possible.

[00:32:03] But I think it is time for Kyle, if he does not want immunity to jump shit.

[00:32:11] Okay.

[00:32:11] Yeah.

[00:32:12] I mean, Kyle seems to have some decent options so far, whereas I feel like with Sue and Gabe,

[00:32:19] we haven't really seen them connect with a ton of other people across tribal lines.

[00:32:23] So I'm pretty worried for them.

[00:32:26] Yeah, I agree.

[00:32:28] It is funny that with this immunity challenge, Kyle sort of has another target on him because

[00:32:34] he won individual immunity, even though myself and Genevieve were up on the beam for way

[00:32:41] longer.

[00:32:42] And like, yeah, it was just, it was, I don't know what you guys thought, but after that

[00:32:45] Kyle drops, just like Kyle wins individual immunity.

[00:32:49] And then Genevieve and Tina are like, well, if we actually were still up there, I don't

[00:32:53] So now it's a challenge that's credit for two straight individual immunity, even though

[00:32:56] he kind of got third place, but I don't know.

[00:33:00] That was weird with the challenge where I had to listen back to it because I didn't understand

[00:33:05] what Jeff was saying when he was explaining it.

[00:33:08] Like whoever stays up the longest will win immunity for their whole tribe.

[00:33:13] But whoever is up longer on the losing tribe wins immunity.

[00:33:19] Yeah.

[00:33:20] Like individual.

[00:33:21] Okay.

[00:33:22] Individual.

[00:33:24] Hot take.

[00:33:25] I don't love that.

[00:33:27] Like if you lost for your tribe, the, the reward is that tribe wins.

[00:33:33] Everybody is fair game.

[00:33:35] Kind of agree.

[00:33:36] Also you add in the safety without power.

[00:33:38] That feels like it's inevitably going to be found.

[00:33:40] Now, all of a sudden, four out of 12 people are eligible to vote.

[00:33:45] And that's the complaint we've had in the new era is all these little like split little

[00:33:49] lose a vote safety tribals.

[00:33:52] I mean, last week was so, was really fun because everyone got a vote and it was a big tribal.

[00:33:56] And now we're just sort of back to our old ways where it basically turns the merge, the

[00:34:01] early merge votes, which can be so interesting into legitimate.

[00:34:05] It's like a pre-merged tribal again, which are not, you know, the most exciting.

[00:34:09] Do you think that if Kyle say we didn't get immunity, right?

[00:34:14] And everyone was fair game.

[00:34:16] Do you think so would have, you think he had a pulse enough on the game that it still would

[00:34:21] have been Rachel?

[00:34:22] Or do you think maybe he could have, would have even considered a Kyle?

[00:34:28] It's a good question.

[00:34:30] It kind of brings me to a bigger.

[00:34:32] If what Bryce?

[00:34:34] So if Kyle, if Kyle didn't win the immunity, right.

[00:34:38] And even though he was the longest up there and everyone was fair game.

[00:34:43] Do you think soul's game on giving the reward would have still been Rachel?

[00:34:50] Or do you think he would have had a read on the game that like, you know, Kyle is, you

[00:34:53] know, I'm Sue and he's enemy number one for me.

[00:34:56] Like, so Kyle would have really been a huge target.

[00:35:00] Yeah.

[00:35:01] That's a good question.

[00:35:02] Now you have all of these minds and you have all of these players and all.

[00:35:08] Everyone is fair game.

[00:35:10] So you wouldn't be thinking of, I don't know if you'd be thinking about, I don't know.

[00:35:15] I'm sorry.

[00:35:16] I don't know.

[00:35:17] Yeah.

[00:35:18] I still kind of think.

[00:35:22] So what I think would have happened, I still think he probably gives it to Rachel and I

[00:35:27] still think Tiana probably goes home.

[00:35:29] I feel like Kyle's in an okay spot.

[00:35:33] Um, but that brings me to a question that I kind of meant to ask, which I guess is sort

[00:35:39] of like a little reverse on yours is like, Oh, that's probably what would have happened.

[00:35:44] And then we obviously saw what did happen.

[00:35:46] But do you guys think there is a case if you're in soul shoes to give is, and you know, say

[00:35:52] Kyle does win a minute immunity.

[00:35:53] Like what happened as played.

[00:35:56] Do you think there's a case for soul to give that advantage to someone other than Rachel?

[00:36:10] Well, no, I think the best move is Rachel.

[00:36:14] Right.

[00:36:14] Uh, again, I understand what you're saying.

[00:36:16] Like I can give it to someone and, uh, we, that builds our relationship, but I feel like

[00:36:22] giving it to Rachel.

[00:36:24] If you're not on a chopping block and somebody sends an olive branch, it's like, thank you.

[00:36:30] But if you're in the middle of the ocean drowning and someone sends you a life jacket, you going

[00:36:37] to be like, Oh, I love you for life.

[00:36:41] That is a deeper bond.

[00:36:43] And so I definitely think giving it to Rachel was the right thing.

[00:36:45] And it's for sure going to cement to them something, some way, somehow.

[00:36:51] So we hope.

[00:36:52] Cause also like, you know, as if you make it through one day now, all of a sudden you're

[00:36:57] in, like you can have a different interest or something like that.

[00:37:00] I don't know.

[00:37:01] If I'm in the middle of the ocean and you are just on Instagram live saying pray for Bryce

[00:37:10] and Jack is throwing me a life jacket and pulling me in.

[00:37:15] And the next day something happens where I got to pick between you or him, even if it benefits

[00:37:23] me to go with you, Jack, just pull my naked body.

[00:37:30] How?

[00:37:32] I might throw you back in.

[00:37:35] First of all, second of all, that's disgusting.

[00:37:39] How did you get naked, Bryce?

[00:37:41] Where'd your face go?

[00:37:42] I don't know.

[00:37:44] Get a little down here with a shark.

[00:37:46] Jack, when you were grabbing him, Jack, and you like pulled him out, did you, did you

[00:37:50] then release?

[00:37:51] Like, no.

[00:37:52] It was a catch and release.

[00:37:55] I just know.

[00:37:57] I give my mind, my body, and my soul to Jackery.

[00:38:03] So.

[00:38:05] That might be in real life or death situations, Bryce.

[00:38:07] But in Survivor, when there's a million dollars on the line and if someone saves you one night,

[00:38:14] yeah, you could be excited that night.

[00:38:16] But if interests change tomorrow, you could be voting that person out.

[00:38:20] There might be people like Wu from my season that honor the.

[00:38:30] Get it out.

[00:38:31] And integrity means something.

[00:38:34] So I know I definitely think that he made the right decision.

[00:38:39] Let me flip the question on you and put my clothes back on, Jack.

[00:38:43] It asks you this.

[00:38:46] Is it.

[00:38:47] What do you think the right move for soul is to do?

[00:38:50] To immediately go back and tell Rachel and be like, hey.

[00:38:55] Saved you.

[00:38:56] Or does he wait a little bit and then say something to Rachel?

[00:39:03] Or is this something that you immediately need to go tell Rachel?

[00:39:06] Like, I threw that life jacket when you was naked in the ocean.

[00:39:08] I saved you.

[00:39:11] I would say it doesn't have to be immediate.

[00:39:15] But maybe, you know, the next morning you go sit on the beach and you say, I got you.

[00:39:24] Because I think why wait?

[00:39:25] You know, like you said.

[00:39:26] And I kind of want to speak on the question I gave to you because I had some thoughts on that too.

[00:39:30] Where you made a good point of I think the personal favor Saul is going to create with Rachel is going to be stronger than if he gave it to someone else.

[00:39:41] And that's a good point that you made.

[00:39:44] Because to me, I was thinking, okay, the biggest reason Saul would give this to Rachel is just to create fractures in Tuku, hopefully.

[00:39:54] And if I'm Rachel, who's also, you know, really sharp, am I going to be really happy towards Saul for sure?

[00:40:00] But at the same time, I'm also going to be like, I think, like, it made sense for him to do that to create some fractures.

[00:40:07] So it doesn't necessarily mean he, like, wants to go to the end with me.

[00:40:10] But I think those are the two benefits for Saul doing this is, okay, like, you can create some, hopefully create some fractures in Tuku.

[00:40:17] And you also maybe get a little bit more favor out of Rachel.

[00:40:20] The flip side of this that we didn't touch on, and, you know, Zach Wurtenberger kind of threw this idea out a little bit.

[00:40:29] And we kind of, you know, worked through it.

[00:40:32] I think there's a very strong case for Saul to just give this to, like, Kyle or Tuku and let Rachel go home.

[00:40:42] Reason being, you know, if the Tuku five votes out Rachel and they prove to be as solid as everyone else, you know, believes.

[00:40:52] And on this reward, there's six non-Tukus that have now said, if these five Tukus come back strong, we need to vote one of them out.

[00:41:00] And it seems like everyone's on the same page.

[00:41:03] So if you're Saul and you actually allow that to happen, then I think your next one or two votes could actually be pretty straightforward getting out like Gabe and Kyle.

[00:41:14] And I think at this point in the game, that's not a bad idea to have.

[00:41:18] Of course, things can always shift and always change.

[00:41:20] But this feels like a pretty obvious spot to target, to put a target on the Tukus.

[00:41:25] But now that Tiana's gone home, now I still think the Tuku look pretty tight.

[00:41:30] So we might still see a Tuku being targeted next.

[00:41:33] But now you actually have Rachel as sort of an extra.

[00:41:37] And now there's seven non-Tukus and only four Tukus as opposed to six and five.

[00:41:42] When it's six and five, it's like, OK, we need to get a Tuku or else they're going to take over the game.

[00:41:46] When it's seven and four, now the game sort of breaks back open and Saul might not have those couple guaranteed votes that could have happened had they kept Tuku together.

[00:41:56] So, you know, if I'm in Saul's shoes, do I give the thing to Rachel?

[00:42:01] Most likely, because it just also feels like a little bit more of a splashy move that is just like an exciting thing to do when you're out there.

[00:42:09] But I think there's a very real case to just like let Rachel go home, who Saul is obviously not even that close with yet, it seems like, and then put this huge target on Tuku.

[00:42:20] And maybe in doing that, you also go to, you know, maybe you give it to Gabe and then you go to Gabe and you're like, hey, I gave that to you because I want to work with you.

[00:42:29] Now you might have an option with Tuku too.

[00:42:31] So you might have a lot of options, but I don't know.

[00:42:34] I don't think it was necessarily a bad move by any means to just give it to Rachel because you kind of have a very obvious win that can happen.

[00:42:41] But I think there is a case to almost like allow this big strong group to be strong as long as you can have the numbers to get rid of them.

[00:42:51] Basically.

[00:42:52] Oh, go ahead.

[00:42:54] No, basically.

[00:42:54] So basically you're saying, all right, let's let's go down and let's get one person out of here and enact this plan to get some more Tukus out.

[00:43:03] So it's like you get one step closer and then you effectuate this plan that's going to break up this this bonded, you know, large tribe, which sounds just like it does sound like a like a good move.

[00:43:18] But but I think right.

[00:43:20] I think of season 45.

[00:43:21] I think of Reba, right?

[00:43:23] Like that that still is a risky move to make, allowing this tribe to look strong.

[00:43:31] And sometimes when the train or choo choo choo choo choo choo.

[00:43:36] Reba did a really good job of hiding how tight they were.

[00:43:40] You know, I mean, it was obvious.

[00:43:43] I remember during the season, all the talk was about nobody realized that they were such a tight four.

[00:43:48] Whereas Tuku, it's like literally all the other people were just on reward together and all agreed.

[00:43:53] We got to go for these guys.

[00:43:56] I don't know.

[00:43:57] I don't think that it's necessarily a right or wrong answer, but it's sort of like to me, especially in the new era, I think to have a group that is so obviously tight, as long as you have more numbers than them, it's actually the tighter they are, the better.

[00:44:12] Here's another thing.

[00:44:14] If the roles were reversed and we saw the yellow tribe with one blue person on it and everyone at the reward would be like, oh, that yellow tribe is just so strong.

[00:44:26] Like I don't they're fractured.

[00:44:29] We know that.

[00:44:29] I don't think that they appear so strong.

[00:44:31] It's just that due to the intern from last season messing up and now we actually have to dig in the take the chances that we see what happened.

[00:44:39] It's just the optics and just how y'all saying something can happen next week.

[00:44:43] I don't think that that's really the way people are thinking in my opinion.

[00:44:47] Can I ask the question?

[00:44:48] I mean, obviously not how they're really thinking because it's not what happened, but I just wanted to throw that out.

[00:44:53] I was like it could, you know, I think Rachel was for sure the obvious move, but I think it's possible that something else could have been better.

[00:45:02] We'll never really know.

[00:45:03] Of course, you know, who knows exactly what would happen, but I don't mind.

[00:45:06] Like that's sort of like why this is completely tangent.

[00:45:11] Like early in the game, if I have a chance to like be in a three person alliance, kind of like Andy, three person alliance with what's perceived as like a power duo.

[00:45:19] And I'm number three, but I'm in the majority.

[00:45:22] I think that's great because it's like, okay, well, they're the ones who are obviously a duo and people are going to want to break them up first.

[00:45:28] So I don't mind being, being the third wheel or the fifth wheel in a really strong alliance because, you know, you're not really seen as, as the, as the issue.

[00:45:39] But that's, that's a, you know, separate point.

[00:45:42] Well, sometimes when you're wheeling and if, if, if those wheels have, if, if you might not know that those wheels might have something, maybe they, they aim for the peripheral wheel or whatever.

[00:45:56] True, true.

[00:45:58] Sorry, Bryce.

[00:46:00] But I think if you are a wheel, you have to make sure that you are creating good relations with a different, a different car.

[00:46:10] How do wheels create relationships?

[00:46:15] By talking to other wheels.

[00:46:19] Hitching in a different wagon.

[00:46:21] Row, row, row your boat.

[00:46:26] Yeah, y'all lost me a little bit.

[00:46:28] Quick question to both of you.

[00:46:31] I feel like from me watching last night, I feel like it was soul.

[00:46:38] It was, I've heard these rumblings of Kyle.

[00:46:40] I've heard these rumblings of Gabe.

[00:46:42] What do you think?

[00:46:43] I haven't really heard anyone talk about Rachel outside of like her being saved.

[00:46:49] I want to know your thoughts on what does this do for Rachel's game?

[00:46:53] Does this just put a bigger target on Rachel or does this put her in a position of like.

[00:47:01] She's connected.

[00:47:02] Like she like, what does this do for Rachel's game is my question.

[00:47:08] I don't think she's one of these all eyes on me type players.

[00:47:12] And, and so I think it's like, all right, you got through, you got your lifeline now and eyes can be elsewhere.

[00:47:18] So you got, you do have a second shot at life.

[00:47:22] But does this boost your, I guess, does this help your survivor currency or does it like, that's what I'm saying.

[00:47:30] Cause like, Oh, like, does it mean like, yo, you just got saved.

[00:47:33] So someone else, this is a, not, not a tick on someone else's resume.

[00:47:38] Is that what you mean?

[00:47:39] Kind of sort of like, I'm just curious.

[00:47:40] Like, what does this like?

[00:47:42] Clearly.

[00:47:44] I think it just helps her status as a, as a free agent, which I think for Rachel is not a bad thing.

[00:47:50] Cause she still has a couple of connections with the yellow, you know, her original Gata tribe.

[00:47:55] She seems to be making some inroads with, you know, Lavo.

[00:48:00] And now it's sort of like for kind of through no fault of her own.

[00:48:05] She was Tuku's target, but it's not that they necessarily wanted her out in general.

[00:48:08] So it sort of seems like she's separated from every group.

[00:48:11] And I think Rachel's a really smart player.

[00:48:13] I think she can, you know, make something happen with that.

[00:48:16] Cause now it's starting to look like there might be some tribal lines developing.

[00:48:19] People are kind of cross targeting, looking at some bigger threats.

[00:48:23] I think Rachel can slip through, which is actually partly why I think to my point about Saul kind of being willing to let Rachel go is it seems like they're not super connected yet.

[00:48:33] And I think Rachel's a threat to win.

[00:48:36] And I think she's more of a threat as a floater free agent.

[00:48:39] If she's not directly with you, then I think that collective Tuku group is.

[00:48:43] So it's possible.

[00:48:44] It's like Saul might've just let, you know, the eventual winner slide through just to kind of try to fracture.

[00:48:52] Oh, oh, did you just lose an awesome hour?

[00:48:56] You look like you're a silhouette now.

[00:48:57] That's kind of dope.

[00:48:59] At least you still got wifi.

[00:49:01] Yeah.

[00:49:02] Good thing I'm on my phone.

[00:49:03] Yeah.

[00:49:04] You're looking at the witness right now.

[00:49:05] Oh my God.

[00:49:06] Yeah.

[00:49:06] Talking to really.

[00:49:07] They like that.

[00:49:09] Jack talking to really voice.

[00:49:11] So tell us what happened, sir.

[00:49:14] The night Rachel got saved from tribal council.

[00:49:19] So.

[00:49:24] So I don't think.

[00:49:26] And kind of what you asked too, but I don't think this is really a resume move for anybody.

[00:49:32] Like soul saving her to me, if I'm on a jury, I'm like, okay, that was sort of like.

[00:49:37] Like you had to, you had to do some, some of the, for someone.

[00:49:41] And Rachel, it's like, okay, you played this.

[00:49:43] Like, what else were you going to do?

[00:49:44] Like, obviously you were going to do that.

[00:49:47] What about threat level?

[00:49:48] What about, what does this do to Rachel's threat level?

[00:49:50] Anything?

[00:49:52] In a way, maybe lowers it.

[00:49:54] Cause it's like, oh, well she was about to walk out the door and then she got saved kind of like.

[00:50:00] Through sheer, I don't want to say luck, but just, you know, she's got blessed by Saul.

[00:50:07] So to me, I'm, I think it's going to, I think it's going to help Rachel.

[00:50:09] I think it's going to put Rachel in a good position.

[00:50:11] She's going to be seen as a free agent.

[00:50:13] She's going to be seen as, I think it's almost that idea.

[00:50:16] That's like, oh, well, Rachel almost walked out the door.

[00:50:19] It's, we can get her out whenever.

[00:50:21] And now people might not be thinking about actually getting her out and then she can move through.

[00:50:25] So, um, so I don't know.

[00:50:27] I'm high on Rachel.

[00:50:28] I'm high on Rachel.

[00:50:29] Can we talk Andy?

[00:50:31] I don't think we really talked enough about Andy and him putting everything together.

[00:50:36] Uh, Andy talking with Genevieve and realizing that Sam might've been lying to him this whole time.

[00:50:44] I love to just, you know, since I texted you and said it was a great episode and you're saying it wasn't a great episode.

[00:50:49] We haven't really communicated.

[00:50:50] So I love to know your thoughts on it.

[00:50:55] Yeah.

[00:50:55] I, um, I love the turnaround Andy's habit.

[00:50:58] I, he's kind of kicked into a different gear.

[00:51:02] It's actually, I think kind of a testament of like, we've seen a couple of times now, especially in the new era, these people start off really messy.

[00:51:09] Andy, Emily flipping.

[00:51:12] And, you know, ultimately they're very astute, clever players.

[00:51:17] And they show, I think they show that early on.

[00:51:20] And it's like, okay, well you save this person, but you're also kind of creating a monster in a way of someone who goes from, you know, maybe being an easy first out.

[00:51:31] Who's probably not going to win the game.

[00:51:32] And then they become, uh, someone who has some real equity to win.

[00:51:37] I like what Andy's, Andy's so kind of, I feel like he's perceived as being so on the bottom just from early on that no one's really worried.

[00:51:45] And now he's actually making some really strong moves, making some really good bonds.

[00:51:50] My only thing is, you know, it felt like he kind of took what Saul said a little bit too easily.

[00:51:58] Like, it's, you know, he and Sam had a really good relationship in the pre-merge.

[00:52:03] I feel like it was a really strong, you know, they weren't always working 100%.

[00:52:07] But was it though?

[00:52:08] But I mean, was it?

[00:52:09] Sorry, I don't mean to just cut you off.

[00:52:12] Because I'm going to defend my man.

[00:52:15] We see time after time where Sam is not being truthful to Andy.

[00:52:22] Like literally lying to Andy's face.

[00:52:25] When he gets the idol, pulls it back and like doesn't tell Andy about the idol.

[00:52:30] Three, no, that's a big deal.

[00:52:33] I don't think it's a big deal.

[00:52:34] No, I think it is.

[00:52:37] I mean, look.

[00:52:39] I just, I think that there's a world where Andy might be Andy, but Andy is perceptive.

[00:52:47] And I think that Andy knows that, yeah, he's made himself a part of this Sam and Sierra.

[00:52:53] Trouble, but I think that Andy knows that he's on the bottom.

[00:52:56] And I think that Andy knows there's a world where like they could just be using him and we don't see that.

[00:53:02] So I think hearing something from Saul could be like the icing on the cake that Andy just needed.

[00:53:07] So I don't think that like he just taking it too easy.

[00:53:11] I don't think Sam and Sierra are like the greatest allies he could ask for.

[00:53:15] But I also think they are right now is better.

[00:53:18] Up until he's made these.

[00:53:20] Let me ask you this.

[00:53:21] But what I will say, I just, I just mean like to me, if I'm Andy, the relationship I had with Sam, even though it wasn't, we weren't necessarily in lockstep the whole pre-merge, but he was my closest ally.

[00:53:32] If I'm Andy, why would he be the one to actually throw me?

[00:53:36] I would imagine.

[00:53:37] But we've seen him throw Andy under the bus.

[00:53:39] Not really.

[00:53:41] Wendell, way in.

[00:53:45] I feel like people threw Andy out and Sam was like, yeah, we can do Andy.

[00:53:49] But Sam, you know Sam's not intending to vote Andy out anytime soon.

[00:53:53] Sam is not threatened by Andy.

[00:53:56] But that doesn't mean that he's not like, okay, you don't have to be threatened by me.

[00:54:00] You don't have to be threatened by me for you to treat me like a pawn.

[00:54:04] And that's still not okay.

[00:54:06] True.

[00:54:06] I'm not saying Sam's the best ally.

[00:54:08] I just think, and we don't know what's going to happen yet, I worry that Andy's going to try to flip everything on Sam when I actually think, okay, have your little thing with Sam and Sierra.

[00:54:19] Go make some new connections and then play that middle and let things happen around you for a little bit.

[00:54:25] Because I think if he takes out Sam, then he loses a lot of options.

[00:54:30] Then he's sort of at the bottom of the whole situation.

[00:54:35] Let's talk some numbers here.

[00:54:37] Before he's at, all I mean to say is I felt like he accepted that Sam was the one to throw him under the bus way too quick.

[00:54:45] When I feel like the relationship they had, I wouldn't really, right?

[00:54:50] If Saul's the one who voted for me.

[00:54:52] Who benefits more from this relationship, Jack?

[00:54:54] Sam or Andy?

[00:54:56] It doesn't matter who benefits more.

[00:54:57] I think they won't.

[00:54:58] Okay, but I'm asking the question.

[00:55:00] Who benefits more, Sam or Andy?

[00:55:01] I mean, up to this point, Andy.

[00:55:04] So, I'm not saying he's the best ally.

[00:55:08] But the connection he has with Sam, you cannot tell me that's a worse connection for his game than his non-existent connections with like half the merge drive.

[00:55:17] So, he should not be targeting the person.

[00:55:19] It's all about capitalizing your social currency.

[00:55:21] And I don't think him, we saw this a lot.

[00:55:24] Like last season, people being like, oh, my ally is playing harder than I am.

[00:55:30] Now I need to turn on my ally.

[00:55:32] It's like you could have your ally.

[00:55:33] But that's how they do in the new era.

[00:55:34] I'm just saying.

[00:55:37] And they send themselves home eventually.

[00:55:39] The person who won last season was actually the one who failed to do that even when she wanted to.

[00:55:44] Who told Sam about the Women's Alliance?

[00:55:48] Andy.

[00:55:51] Who?

[00:55:52] It's mutually beneficial.

[00:55:53] That's why neither of them is doing it.

[00:55:54] I mean, but is it?

[00:55:55] No, because I also feel like it is mutually beneficial.

[00:55:57] But I also feel like when you're saying that it discredits Andy from making his own arguments.

[00:56:03] And I feel like, yeah, Sam might not have wanted Andy to go home.

[00:56:07] But like in that Annika vote, Andy didn't just sit around and twiddle his thumbs.

[00:56:11] Andy was talking to people and moving things around.

[00:56:14] So I just feel like in this relationship, how the edit paints Andy is just someone who's like, oh, I'm not.

[00:56:19] But Sam made a very active effort to keep Andy in.

[00:56:22] And Andy knows that.

[00:56:24] And so Andy was moving and shaking.

[00:56:26] All I'm saying is if I'm Andy, whether you think it's right or wrong to get them out or not, I think that Andy should have taken what it made.

[00:56:34] We didn't see everything, but maybe take what people say.

[00:56:36] To me, if I'm Andy and someone told me, oh, Sam made you the plan.

[00:56:40] I'd be like, well, there's no way.

[00:56:42] That doesn't even make any sense.

[00:56:43] It would probably happen when someone threw my name out and Sam didn't want us to look too close and was like, sure, we can make Andy the backup.

[00:56:52] And that's not that end of the world to me.

[00:56:54] But shouldn't you know that?

[00:56:57] Know what?

[00:56:57] You could also be upset that they allowed you to be the backup.

[00:57:01] I guess.

[00:57:03] Sam was also in a group of multiple people.

[00:57:05] I'm not saying Sam's the best ally.

[00:57:06] I like.

[00:57:08] See, I think Andy's doing a great job right now.

[00:57:09] Don't get me wrong.

[00:57:10] Like him making these new inroads with people, utilizing this thing that he's on the bottom and being like, maybe I can make some new bonds with Saul, with Genevieve.

[00:57:18] I think it's great.

[00:57:19] I just hope that he doesn't take those to then try to flip everything on Sam and make this big move.

[00:57:24] Because if he does that too early, I think he's going to then emerge as a threat and not have the connections to go far.

[00:57:30] What he should do is still kind of keep the Sam and Sierra thing.

[00:57:33] Still keep a little Rachel thing.

[00:57:35] Keep a little Genevieve and Saul thing.

[00:57:38] Let everyone target Tuku.

[00:57:40] And then he gets to like final seven or eight.

[00:57:42] And then he's the swing vote.

[00:57:42] And I think he has a really good path to win.

[00:57:44] So I'm not saying he's not going to do that.

[00:57:46] I just, I'm a little nervous that he is just too quick to jump on new opportunities.

[00:57:53] And there's such a balance because I love the initiative that he is taking in this past episode.

[00:57:58] But if every episode he's like, oh, someone said my name, new ally.

[00:58:02] You're like, I'm not friends anymore.

[00:58:04] New ally.

[00:58:06] What if it works and gets them to the end?

[00:58:09] Then I think.

[00:58:10] Look, look.

[00:58:12] I think given his, his kind of unique circumstances with the meltdown he had episode one, he has like that, such a low perception of his gameplay right now that he can get away with going a little too hard and maybe it'll work.

[00:58:26] But I do think that if he continues.

[00:58:29] Now, what we saw yesterday, I think can really end up going two ways.

[00:58:33] It could end up being very successful or it could lead to a pattern of him just like playing the bottom too hard and making these inroads.

[00:58:40] And I think we've seen a lot in the past is that people will have this perception of them of being on the bottom, do a really good job of using it to get far.

[00:58:48] But then the jury still sort of sees them as that lower player and there'll be a losing finalist.

[00:58:54] So I think there's a very high likelihood that Andy plays a really smooth game the rest of the way.

[00:59:00] But because everyone always thought, oh, well, I was working with Andy because he didn't have anybody else.

[00:59:05] Like he wasn't that good of a player, which isn't even necessarily true.

[00:59:08] But if that's the perception, then I could see him getting the end and being like a losing finalist.

[00:59:13] For sure.

[00:59:14] But there's a world where he could win, I think, for sure.

[00:59:17] Okay.

[00:59:18] Another hypothetical question, because I know we're a little short on time because Jack has his...

[00:59:22] I got a couple more minutes.

[00:59:23] Okay.

[00:59:27] I'm just reading the Reddit, so don't come after the messenger.

[00:59:31] But actually, I was reading the Reddit and I was reading something that said one of the threads was like,

[00:59:37] Gabe for president of season 47.

[00:59:40] Is there a world...

[00:59:42] Walk me through either of you.

[00:59:44] Is there a world that Gabe could win this?

[00:59:50] Yeah.

[00:59:52] What did you say, Jack?

[00:59:55] I said unlikely.

[00:59:57] I like watching Gabe and like I liked watching a lot of...

[01:00:04] My question wasn't, do you like watching...

[01:00:07] It also wasn't...

[01:00:10] Your question can also warrant a response that's longer than a yes or no answer.

[01:00:16] Well, that was intended.

[01:00:18] What?

[01:00:19] A yes or no?

[01:00:20] No.

[01:00:20] Longer than a yes or no.

[01:00:22] Yeah.

[01:00:22] So that's what I was doing until you interrupted me.

[01:00:25] Pop off.

[01:00:29] I think there's a world where Gabe can win.

[01:00:33] You're a little sassy today.

[01:00:36] You see me in my own position?

[01:00:38] Yeah.

[01:00:41] I...

[01:00:42] Me?

[01:00:43] I think that Gabe is a good player.

[01:00:48] And I've given him some flat.

[01:00:55] Look at Jack right now.

[01:00:57] Look how he froze.

[01:01:00] It's...

[01:01:01] It has...

[01:01:03] Y'all know Gabe is at home.

[01:01:06] Like...

[01:01:07] I want to make sure.

[01:01:09] Whatever Jack says.

[01:01:11] Gabe, what are you...

[01:01:12] What are you doing up there, Gabe?

[01:01:14] Nothing!

[01:01:16] Gabe just hacked Jack's computer.

[01:01:19] From his mom's basement.

[01:01:22] Sorry.

[01:01:22] Sorry.

[01:01:23] T&E lost his connection a little bit.

[01:01:26] Gabe hacked our computer from his basement.

[01:01:31] Yeah.

[01:01:33] So I was...

[01:01:35] Like...

[01:01:35] Gabe is...

[01:01:36] I don't know.

[01:01:37] Just even...

[01:01:38] Whether it's him or not,

[01:01:39] the way that they're showing him,

[01:01:41] I think,

[01:01:42] is a way that's very

[01:01:45] hard to root for.

[01:01:47] And, you know...

[01:01:48] We...

[01:01:49] And that's...

[01:01:50] Whether that's what I think or not,

[01:01:52] I mean, I've seen a lot of sentiment online

[01:01:53] about, like,

[01:01:54] the way that he talks about,

[01:01:56] especially other people,

[01:01:57] women in the game,

[01:01:59] kind of rubs people the wrong way.

[01:02:00] And maybe they're just showing

[01:02:02] kind of the worst of that.

[01:02:03] Like, I don't think Gabe's a bad dude

[01:02:04] by any means.

[01:02:05] But if that's kind of how

[01:02:06] they're showing him too,

[01:02:07] then is that the person

[01:02:08] that I think has a chance to win

[01:02:10] from a viewing perspective?

[01:02:11] Not really.

[01:02:12] And I also,

[01:02:14] within the game,

[01:02:14] not even, you know,

[01:02:15] talking about edit or whatever,

[01:02:17] I'm sure there's some things

[01:02:18] we haven't seen,

[01:02:19] but I kind of worry

[01:02:21] in these last two episodes,

[01:02:22] I haven't really seen Gabe

[01:02:23] make a lot of connections with Lavo.

[01:02:25] I haven't seen Gabe

[01:02:26] make a lot of connections with Gata.

[01:02:29] And, you know,

[01:02:30] he's had Tiana

[01:02:32] speaking kind of bad about him

[01:02:34] to these other two groups.

[01:02:35] I think he could be

[01:02:36] a really prime target

[01:02:37] to go home

[01:02:38] in the next couple episodes.

[01:02:41] Yeah, I think for me,

[01:02:43] one of the things about Gabe

[01:02:44] when I was watching

[01:02:45] was during the Tribal

[01:02:47] when they all were scrambling

[01:02:49] and he reached,

[01:02:51] him and Kyle were talking,

[01:02:52] but it wasn't really a conversation.

[01:02:54] It really was like,

[01:02:55] this is what we're doing,

[01:02:56] do it.

[01:02:58] That's it.

[01:02:59] Right?

[01:02:59] And I was like,

[01:03:00] oh, I'm like,

[01:03:01] maybe you should have sent Genevieve

[01:03:03] or no,

[01:03:04] maybe you should have sent Caroline

[01:03:05] to talk to him

[01:03:05] because like, yeah,

[01:03:07] I just think

[01:03:09] Gabe has some loyal people

[01:03:11] around him

[01:03:11] and I think that

[01:03:12] that might cloud his judgment.

[01:03:15] Although I'm very intrigued

[01:03:17] to see how it plays out for him.

[01:03:18] It's the same way

[01:03:19] with how he kind of spoke

[01:03:20] to Rachel of like,

[01:03:21] okay,

[01:03:22] for all intents and purposes,

[01:03:23] Gabe thought that Rachel

[01:03:25] was going to go home

[01:03:26] unanimously

[01:03:27] and in order to get her

[01:03:28] to not play her shot in the dark,

[01:03:30] he kind of comes up

[01:03:31] with this thing like,

[01:03:32] I'll go to rocks for you

[01:03:34] and now if I'm Rachel,

[01:03:36] I go back,

[01:03:36] I'd be like,

[01:03:37] and Rachel doesn't buy it

[01:03:38] for a second.

[01:03:38] Now Rachel's going to go

[01:03:39] tell people,

[01:03:40] maybe even two cool people,

[01:03:42] Gabe was saying he'd go to rocks

[01:03:43] to keep me safe.

[01:03:44] Like,

[01:03:44] that's just so ridiculous.

[01:03:46] I just think he's kind of

[01:03:47] overplaying his hand

[01:03:49] a little bit

[01:03:50] and he just doesn't,

[01:03:51] he just comes off

[01:03:52] as really like,

[01:03:53] sheisty.

[01:03:54] So,

[01:03:56] yeah,

[01:03:57] I think Gabe has a lot

[01:03:58] of the strategic skills

[01:03:59] and clearly some of the social skills

[01:04:01] with his crew

[01:04:02] of a good survivor player

[01:04:04] but I just think

[01:04:04] there's an element to him

[01:04:05] that is just going

[01:04:07] a little too hard.

[01:04:08] Maybe his head

[01:04:09] is not fully

[01:04:11] in the gameplay

[01:04:12] part of the game.

[01:04:13] So I think part of his head

[01:04:14] is like,

[01:04:14] how do I make good TV?

[01:04:15] Which I can respect

[01:04:16] but it also

[01:04:17] is going to hamper your game.

[01:04:20] But,

[01:04:20] Bryce,

[01:04:21] the last thing I wanted to ask

[01:04:22] before I hop off,

[01:04:23] you gave the

[01:04:27] merge appetizer

[01:04:28] a lot of flack.

[01:04:29] This reward,

[01:04:30] you know,

[01:04:30] they had ribs,

[01:04:31] corn on the cob,

[01:04:33] beer,

[01:04:34] I think they had.

[01:04:35] Was this a better reward

[01:04:36] for you?

[01:04:36] A lot better.

[01:04:37] It wasn't just a charcuterie board.

[01:04:39] It wasn't appetizers.

[01:04:40] The ribs looked good.

[01:04:41] The corn looked good.

[01:04:42] This was a feast

[01:04:43] that I enjoyed

[01:04:44] watching.

[01:04:46] Although,

[01:04:46] it was just kind of annoying

[01:04:47] because like,

[01:04:49] it's not even the merge feast

[01:04:50] because like,

[01:04:51] you're not even really merged

[01:04:52] because unfortunately

[01:04:54] with Tiana going home,

[01:04:56] she doesn't even make the jewelry.

[01:04:58] It was like,

[01:04:59] that was fun.

[01:05:01] Especially,

[01:05:02] you know,

[01:05:02] thinking in her mind,

[01:05:04] Rachel's going home

[01:05:05] like almost for sure

[01:05:06] and then all of a sudden

[01:05:07] that's pulled away

[01:05:08] and half an hour later

[01:05:11] you're not even on the jury.

[01:05:12] That's definitely brutal.

[01:05:14] What has to be even harder

[01:05:16] is if when Jeff is talking to you

[01:05:17] and during multiple times

[01:05:20] throughout tribal council,

[01:05:21] you're crying,

[01:05:22] saying how much

[01:05:23] you want to be here

[01:05:24] and how much at this point

[01:05:25] the merge means to you

[01:05:27] and in the background

[01:05:28] of you crying,

[01:05:30] you see people

[01:05:31] leaning in,

[01:05:33] talking

[01:05:33] and more than likely

[01:05:35] they essentially are saying

[01:05:36] you.

[01:05:38] That was hard to watch.

[01:05:39] Yeah.

[01:05:40] Definitely.

[01:05:40] Definitely.

[01:05:43] Next up,

[01:05:43] so now we've got the jury

[01:05:45] and we also have

[01:05:45] the survivor auction coming up.

[01:05:47] I'm excited for that.

[01:05:48] Feels a little bit earlier

[01:05:49] than they usually do it,

[01:05:50] but never complain about an auction.

[01:05:53] Yeah.

[01:05:55] Justice for Tiana.

[01:05:56] For sure.

[01:05:57] Justice for our girl,

[01:05:58] Tiana.

[01:06:00] She was my winner pick.

[01:06:02] She had some juice

[01:06:03] and gone too soon.

[01:06:07] Despite what Jack says,

[01:06:09] I still think this episode

[01:06:10] was a crazy episode

[01:06:12] and if someone in the comments

[01:06:14] can send me their number

[01:06:16] that I can text them

[01:06:17] on Wednesdays

[01:06:18] because I will no longer

[01:06:19] be texting Jack

[01:06:20] what I think

[01:06:21] about the episode

[01:06:23] when he texts me first.

[01:06:25] I'm watching it.

[01:06:28] I was excited to say

[01:06:29] that it was a good episode,

[01:06:30] but needless to say,

[01:06:32] this is a great episode.

[01:06:33] We'll be back next week

[01:06:35] covering episode eight.

[01:06:38] Make sure you go out

[01:06:40] and vote.

[01:06:41] It is important.

[01:06:42] So make sure you go out

[01:06:44] and vote

[01:06:45] and rock the vote.

[01:06:46] We'll be back next week.

[01:06:47] Thank you so much.

[01:06:48] It's been your Survivor News

[01:06:50] season 47,

[01:06:52] episode seven.

[01:06:53] Peace.

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[01:06:59] You better get your headphones

[01:07:01] and listen up quick.

[01:07:02] It's the Purple Pants podcast.

[01:07:04] You better listen in public.

[01:07:06] Might make your stomach hurt.

[01:07:07] It's the Purple Pants podcast.

[01:07:09] You're trying to unwind.

[01:07:11] You better get that box wide.

[01:07:12] It's the Purple Pants podcast.

[01:07:14] You're trying to get your snack.

[01:07:16] You better hurry right back though.

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[01:07:20] Peace.