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[00:00:37] Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News. What's going on and welcome back to the Purple Pants Podcast, Survivor News, covering Survivor Season 48 Episode 9.

[00:01:04] Make sure you're subscribed to the Purple Pants Podcast and if you want to watch, you can watch over on YouTube at the Bryce Isaiah YouTube channel. Make sure you subscribe, give this page a thumbs up and let us know in the comments what you think about this week's episode. The Baby Boys have landed. We're back. We're all still in Austin and we had a time in Austin. We have the first Merge Boot when DZ Holland was popping with you today.

[00:01:32] What's up? What's up? How we doing? I am chilling. Lost my voice a little bit, but you know, I'm having I'm having a good time in Austin. Yeah. And we have the Jack Shack CEO in the building. Jack Atkins from the Circle Season 2 is popping with you, Jack. What's good? I mean, we had a great time in Austin last night. Just been busy with work today, but been looking forward all day to chopping it up with you guys.

[00:01:57] Hoping to see you both later out in the Austin streets. Yeah, I'm plumbing at you with a little bit different camera angles, right? I'm in the hotel, but hopefully, hopefully, I look like I'm like, I feel like I'm tall. I'm like sitting up a little tall, but I'm starting to do that. You gotta master the improvise, like throw it on top of a trash can or something, you know? Yeah. Jack. Let me see what I can do, bud. Okay.

[00:02:25] There's not a lot of good lighting. There's not a lot of good, uh, that's not a bad idea. Hold on. I'm dead. But listen, while Jack is setting up his camera on the trash can, uh, Austin, the city of Austin, I've got a lot of words for you. Amazing. I love y'all, but why ain't nobody tell me Austin was so hot.

[00:02:53] I thought it was gonna be a cool 60, 70. Austin said the baby boys is coming to Austin. We want to crank it up to 95 degrees. I was hot. It's beautiful. Bryce, you're in Texas. I mean, I guess I just figured it was April. So maybe like, you know, I don't know, but it was truly beautiful. Uh, the amount of, I mean, I don't know.

[00:03:21] What do you have to say about Austin when DZ? How do you feel? I love Austin. I've always loved Austin. It's an awesome city. It's a young, uh, city and like, they're building a lot out here. There's a lot to do. There's a lot of eateries, speakeasies, restaurants, um, outdoor spots, rooftops. Austin's dope. And I'm glad we came out. Yeah, absolutely. And I just found a trash bin and now I love my camera. Although honestly, the other angle was, it was kind of a fun switch up, but.

[00:03:52] It was a lot of torso, Jack. It was a lot of torso. I didn't know my torso was so tall. Oh. Wow. Jack. Uh, but no, there are so many people that came out yesterday, but I do a huge shout out to a faithful listener, a member of the posse. I guess he's a member of the Jack Shack. I guess he's a member of the wind. Then, uh, Tyler, uh, was so great to see him and you know, he always has the nicest

[00:04:21] things to say and just to get to see him in person. It was really so special. So it was like, so good to see Tyler. So many of the posse that was in the building. Yeah. That was dope, man. He's really cool. I don't know. I was going to give him a shout out, but you beat me to the punch. I was also going to give him a shout out. He was one of the favorite conversations. I feel like I had not only last night, but just with any of the posse. I mean, shout out to all the posse members. I pulled up that I had a chance to talk to, but I feel like Tyler really put into words a lot of good things about this podcast that are sometimes hard to articulate.

[00:04:51] So that was, I mean, that's kind of like, you know, why we do it. So to hear someone who I felt like understood what our, what our goal was and maybe identified things that maybe we didn't even know. I was like, Tyler, you're, you're spitting nothing but facts. He loves Jack. He loves you the most too. That's my only gripe. He rocks with you. He rocks with your heaviest. If that's your gripe, if that's a gripe, you're going to be mad at a lot of the posse.

[00:05:18] And there was another comment last week that I was like, oh my God, I have to bring it up to Wendell because we know Wendell don't be in the comments. Wendell barely talk. However, someone said they liked the wind den, but they really feel like it should be the Wendy's speak easy. I thought it was cool. I thought it was solid. I thought it was solid. The Wendy's speak easy. Okay. Well, that's the working title.

[00:05:48] But it's a better rhyme than I think the wind den, but it is a bit of a mouthful. Whoa. Oh, okay. What's gotten into you in Austin, Jack? Something you need to tell us. But listen, Austin, the amount of people that came out to show love was truly amazing from the survivor community, from my amazing race. Jackie and Lauren were there. It was like so special to finally meet the purple sisters on Amazing Race.

[00:06:17] Quinn, Cassidy, of course, Cassidy's brother. The circle, our circle people were in the building. Abraham was in the building. Dr. Maria, Tevin, who else was there? Well, this goes on and on. DJ Karishma. Karishma. Yeah, Karishma, the amazing race. Yeah. I mean, it was, it's honestly, in the last couple of years, I haven't been able to come that many Bryson Wens. I think in the last two seasons, I've been to both the LA ones.

[00:06:46] But other than that, I think this is my first time since the 46 finale to be at a Bryson Wend that is not in LA. And it was good to be back because, I mean, everyone, so many people showed out. So, obviously, LA, I've been to pretty much all those. You know, you get to know the community. So, to meet so many new faces, whether it's people from the reality community or just people in the pants podcast posse, it was just a hell of a time. I had such a blast. Yeah.

[00:07:13] And when I closed out my tab, I was like, I had about six beers and it was like 40 bucks. I was like, Austin, I don't know. Probably Bryce Isaiah, though, the way I love to stay in Austin. Oh, it is warm. That's a bar, but geez, that's terrible. Being as though we are in Austin and I believe Mitch is from Waco, Austin. It's not far.

[00:07:41] So, the Mitch squad was in the building. Mitch's mom was in the building. And let me just say, I think I'm a part of Mitch's family. Mitch's, me and Mitch's family, we see each other. We had a time. Shout out to Mitch's mom. Shout out to his family. Shout out to his cousins. Shout out to his aunties. I just felt like I was at a family barbecue. They were truly so amazing.

[00:08:09] Speaking of that, I mean, having Mitch out there was great. It was the first time I was able to meet him. I'm not going to lie. I was a little bit nervous. I was like, Mitch has brought the whole family and the friends out. I was nervous we were going to lose Mitch in the episode. But luckily, you know, he was safe. And it was honestly probably one of the better episodes in the last few weeks because I feel like general sentiment since the merge, it's slowed down a little bit. But I feel like we're maybe heating back up.

[00:08:38] So really excited to talk about this episode with you guys. Yeah. And again, to all of our other special guests, you know, if you know, you know, the millimeters was in the building. You know, we was feeling strong yesterday, too. Okay. But yeah, this episode, I had to rewatch it. And I've got so many tapes and I, you know, I mean, like, I feel like we just need to jump right on in like we're in Austin because.

[00:09:09] Okay, Bryce. Okay. So where do you want to go, Jack? How you feeling? What you feeling like? I mean, Bryce, you might have to be. You know, obviously, we were a little bit active last night during the episode. Now, I will say the bar we were at had a great big screen, good speakers. They really cranked it up. I was like, I don't have to stand under the speaker for this episode. I can hear it. But obviously, you know, chitting, chatting with everybody missed a couple parts.

[00:09:39] Then today I was pretty slammed with work. So I rewatched it, but also was like doing a little bit of work. So Bryce, could I ask you, could you be the moderator today and take us where you need to go? I mean, I don't know if you can call me the moderator, but Jack, I can always take you where you need to go. That's never a problem. Well, listen, it's a lot that happened, but I'm gonna simplify it. We get back from the Christie Tribal Council.

[00:10:08] And this conversation is really centered around David a lot, right? Like David, and this is what I want to ask y'all, right? David has his pulse on Kyle and Camilla. Like he sees it, he gets it. And it's like, okay, David, we see you. You get that Kyle and Camilla are working together.

[00:10:33] And it is shocking that no one else kind of really looks at them like that because they really are such a strong duo. And David got this feeling. I got this feeling. And I just can't turn it loose. That somebody is getting it. Even Wendell doesn't know it.

[00:11:03] Somebody's sleeping in my bed. Sleeping in my bed. Messing with my head. Jackery? I just, that was unintelligible. I couldn't even. I'll tell you what. It's been a while since we busted out in song and we were a little, whoa, pause. We were, we might've been a little rusty, pause, but.

[00:11:32] Hey, just put no oil on it. Okay. You set them up for that one. All right, Jack, who sings that song? I have no idea. I don't even know what their lyrics were. I couldn't even hear you guys. Somebody's sleeping in my bed. Sleeping in my bed. Messing with my head. Somebody. It's Drew Hill. And I think it's sleeping in my bed.

[00:12:02] Somebody's sleeping in my bed. But essentially. It's a deep cut. Yeah. It's not deep cut. The problem is, when you've been over this, the problem with all these songs, like it's not, it's not, it's not the culture in which it comes from. It's the, it's the year that it comes from. Y'all are giving me, you can give me any song from like, whatever, I don't know. Whenever you guys like kids, like 1962. 2016. 16.

[00:12:32] Yeah. Wow. You guys can give, no, if you give me that moderate stuff, I'm going to be a little bit better. So. Okay. Just keep that in mind. But essentially, David is going around camp and he is paranoid. They were coming back from Chrissy, leaving out Chrissy. And David is just feeling like he had, he can't trust. Kyle and.

[00:13:02] What's his name? Shaheen. Shaheen. Shaheen. And so we see the strong six afterwards, after the tribal and they're talking and they're all saying like, who has to be next? And so we see David, we see Joe, we see Eva, we see Shaheen, we see Kyle and they're all talking and essentially David is like, Hey, I want Camilla and Kyle has to then. He's like, I don't know what to do.

[00:13:31] He didn't say he wanted Camilla. You know what he did? And you know what you should never, ever, ever do is put the words in Mary's mouth. He said, Mary wants Camilla and David, as Q would say, big mistake. Right. But go ahead. And so it's interesting how Kyle kind of navigates that. Right.

[00:13:58] But he kind of just like, if that's what y'all want, that's what we, I'll give it to you. But obviously it's this big thing with Kyle because that's his number one. And again, I think the way that we see Kyle and Camilla, the more, I feel like they're like an onion. As each episode goes by the layers of the onion that we get to see of Kyle and Camilla, it's just so interesting because again, I'll be honest.

[00:14:25] I said in the beginning that I thought it was Camilla that was running this duo. And maybe that it wasn't so equally paired. But again, the more that we get to see of Kyle, the more I feel like it is very so much equally paired. I just want to know y'all thoughts on David's read is his read right that listen, Kyle and Camilla, they're working together and something feels funny. Yeah, he's right.

[00:14:53] Yeah, this is the thing about David is that, I mean, this week and in previous weeks, he's been clocking everything. He's been extremely right about the dynamics where he went wrong was that he just didn't have the social awareness or the finesse to really go about, I think, executing it the right way. And I think David, you know, he kind of knew he was right. But he I think he's very used to, you know, having his voice heard.

[00:15:23] And in this instance was was hoping that, you know, he would lay out the facts or whatever, which were true and just have people jump on board. But it's I think it's just a little bit more complicated than that. And he didn't really navigate it the way that he needed to. But I think he was absolutely right. And I'll go one step farther and not to bring us to too deep in the episode or too far away. But I actually think it was a really bad move for Joe and Eva this episode to flip on David.

[00:15:49] But David just didn't handle it as well as I think like Kyle and Camille and Shaheen did. So that's just kind of the outcome you're going to get. But I don't necessarily think it was a bad move for them to get rid of David. I think that Joe made some errors this episode and one particularly that stands out for me. But we can get there when we get there. When D.C.

[00:16:14] I just I just think like Jack said, I think that David just tried to muscle his his opinion through to these people. It's like, hey, buddy, you are right. My man, you clocked it perfectly. However, if you see that the top is if you get a temperature check and understand that they aren't feeling it in that direction. You got to understand when to pull back all that chill sit. And you got to go in another direction.

[00:16:44] This this tactic of trying to explain how tight they are isn't working right now. You know, relax yourself like you know your audience. Yeah. No, you're you're running into a brick wall. You got to figure out another way right now. And so we know that David is not a survivor fan. Right. Like we know that he hadn't seen much of survivor. And so, again, when we see him say like the strong alliance, when people like me haven't won before.

[00:17:12] Right. It again makes me think to David that. Maybe you haven't seen a lot of survivor. Right. Because it's like in my mind, I really feel like David is ringing the alarm. David is like, hello, the fire is coming. Like he's like, y'all see the fire.

[00:17:35] But what he doesn't understand is like, David, we're at a campfire. Like we're at a campfire. That's a great analogy. And it's like, yes, we see it. But like that's the nuance. And it's like, David, you have to understand that you can't be too pushy. And I will say that in these last two episodes, again, David seemed a little off to me.

[00:18:03] Like, I really feel like is the island getting to him? Is he not sleeping? Is like, is he going through chocolate milk withdrawal? Because I feel like he is like so hyper fixating on this that it's almost like, how can you not see what you're doing to yourself? Yeah, it's really interesting because we talked about, you know, David hasn't seen a lot of survivor.

[00:18:29] And I feel like a lot of times those types of players will get go out there and they won't really understand the game. They won't really have a good read on things. But a lot of times they might still have really strong social skills to be able to fit in with David. It was almost the opposite. Like he hadn't really seen much of a switch survivor, but he pegged all the dynamics. Like he knew kind of where everyone was at and had a really good read of the situation. But I think what he lacked and maybe this is a factor of him not having to watch a lot of survival or it could be a general thing.

[00:18:59] It was just like that, that wherewithal or the know with all, as you said, rise to the to understand how to approach these different people, which can be difficult. It's like he could still say you're like, he's probably sitting at home. He's like, well, I was right. And and he was like, he really clocked everything. But you could be right in survivor and go home. Exactly. You need to understand how to present that information to the other people so they can receive it.

[00:19:27] And Bryce, I really liked your analogy about the fire. It's sort of like, yeah, he's warning people about a fire, but those people might be a little cold. They might be like, let me take you out and warm up for a second. You got to angle it a different way. So, yeah, I think that really, I mean, I think David's story had a lot of nuance, but I think his downfall was a pretty clear sort of like the way we described it.

[00:19:52] And another thing that I think that David doesn't understand where I feel like the strong alliance, and I don't know if it was before or after the challenge. It might have been before in that morning when they were all huddled up and talking. I was clocking Eva, right? Like, did y'all peep how Eva was asking people like, so who are you thinking? Like she was actively enliciting. I mean, eliciting, elicit.

[00:20:19] She was actively eliciting or actively elicit. No, no, you had it. You had it. Jack, let him sit. You already had it. You already had it. Elicit. She was actively, she elicited. I don't know, Jack. I don't know. You had it. It's eliciting. That's, but that don't sound right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So she was eliciting names from people.

[00:20:47] And, but I like, again, because they're like the power circle was so smart. And I liked how Eva, Joe, they don't say no names. And Joe just like, whatever, whatever, whatever, wherever y'all want to go, I'll go. And that's crazy because they be saying that and then it's somebody that they don't want and they don't go with it. Right. It's like so interesting.

[00:21:37] Start your test now for 1€ pro Monat auf Shopify.de slash radio. if an active listener was a person this episode it would be mother effing joe there were multiple times that joe would be having conversations and like he wouldn't make eye contact but he would

[00:22:01] be in one of those positions where you know he's absorbing all of the information um and i just back to david i just think with david though right i think yeah you have clocked kyle and camilla but i also feel like you have lost sight of it is only one person can win a million dollars but you've lost sight of the fact that like you're in a group you have to make group decisions at this

[00:22:27] point now it seems personal and now it seems like it's something to benefit your game and when you get like that who's gonna really want to work with you true it just it gives a little it was interesting and also we got to see more from kyle this episode uh and peeling back the layers we saw him and david kind of go at it and we saw kyle getting a little flustered and him saying like he doesn't really

[00:22:53] want to engage he's kind of getting triggered uh and then he talks to joe about how he was he has a past and while he was in law school um he got caught up got some underage drinking and he had to go to jail for 30 days and now i in my mind i ain't never hear about a professor coming to i'm like kyle must have a way with words because that was astonishing

[00:23:29] yeah i mean kyle's just kyle's just the man like i went like i was watching that and i'm just like this dude is awesome like i and what can you say and i think it really like that i mean they let him talk about it for a bit you know and professional but given it was relatively a short time overall like i think it like shed so much light on some things not only kyle's character but also other issues like some like race related things and stuff like that because then my first impression was

[00:23:59] like if it's a if it's a if you're gonna get locked up for walking around with an open container i'm like i would have been locked up a couple times too but i'm like we'll be saying that that's like the reason made like you know and he touched on that and he also touched on it on his instagram but you know i think it says a lot about like the justice system and things like that and for kyle to he took a lot of ownership but also for him to make like achieve all the things he did under those

[00:24:27] circumstances and come out of it better and better i mean i think he's just a kind of a just i mean that's just a great dude like it's really impressive so uh yeah right i know you haven't always been a kyle fan but no no but you know as a kyle fan myself um it was great to see i mean how do you how do you not root for kyle right sometimes when you have something so uh um something

[00:24:51] so shattering that that happens to you like he's locked up sometimes you you want to quit things you want to fall back you want to you know take some time off for him to have it in him to find a way to while being locked up contact his professors finish his essays um have the professor come to him it shows so much about kyle yeah i got the most respect for my man yeah and i was thinking at

[00:25:21] times like his interaction with david like you said he definitely did seem a little flustered at times and i think that gave david a read at points um that you know kyle was a little bit on edge but i mean given his background it seems justified but i think that was also another issue with with david uh especially in this episode which is kind of the way that he would uh like not go after people but definitely would he wasn't mincing his words at times like even in the conversation where david's

[00:25:51] like well it should have been easy you know things like that and i was like well no we just voted you what do you mean like it just felt like david was almost throwing shade and i mean he just kind of a couple too many people the wrong way i think david had a very like he knew he thought he had his group which was like joe eva mary and then i guess like star too and that's the majority and i feel like david's like well if you're not my majority then i can kind of ice you out which is not the way

[00:26:16] to go about things yeah uh it was also i think this episode in a lot of different ways um obviously david goes home uh but it opens the door right like uh mitch we have seen mitch we know mitch don't miss we at on this podcast see how such of a strong player mitch is but it really

[00:26:43] sometimes comes to be the luck of the draw of whether or not you're able to be in a position of power and how that affects you and i think that with this episode it really does open the door for mitch maybe to like yeah the game is open out the park right anyone can kind of seize control now which is exciting um and that's partly why i think it was a bad move for joe and eva

[00:27:11] because now david definitely seemed to rub joe wrong the wrong way this episode i mean i talk about not mincing words calling him out on not keeping his word or whatever going back on his word which i understand from david's perspective joe sort of told him one thing went and did the other but i mean joe never gave his word about uh you know voting for camilla or whatever um but and then obviously joe took offense to that and then david almost like doubled down it's like well that's where

[00:27:39] you're gonna lose joe but i do think of joe and eva stick with them i mean a guy like david who's so in with this group um and then you know has mary attached to him gonna do what he says and they're gonna stay loyal to this group and then you have star who who seems happy to go along with this group that's a winning recipe for it might be boring but for them if they went to five with that group especially with some of the ammo that eva has joe or eva i think there's a lock to win the

[00:28:06] game now there's a lot of opportunity for kyle and shaheen and mitch to get together and and shake things up so um yeah did you did you see one of those active listening moments like joe was in that hammock just rocking and kyle was like you kind of went back on your word joe did david said that or not david said that uh and when joe let us know that he's mixed

[00:28:35] in that moment i saw uh you saw the black side i saw the black father because you ever be doing something and you talk smart to your mom or dad and your dad be like say it again because joe looked over and said my word wait wait you might want to back that truck up

[00:29:03] so what are you saying and david's like well no i mean you said david said we made a decision that's what are you talking about like the way david the way joe came in on that situation i said oh me lord and good thing he don't got no butchers in austin he free butchers down here

[00:29:27] uh definitely because i was hot in austin i didn't know where the moisture was coming this time it was but it was so interesting and again where it's like david you're not even reading the room right like joe is essentially saying to you the one thing that i got in this earth is my word my word is

[00:29:51] gone and you're essentially saying hey that's not what you said and you see joe get upset and very small mannerisms like right just for me it was just like oh he's getting upset and that david kind of still doubles down and i do love david uh as a person but i do it was a little interesting to see the difference in how uh say that again at the end of the conversation he's like yeah my bad

[00:30:19] i didn't mean to accuse you something like that i think i remember him about because like yeah you could see joe let him know real smooth and real cool and real calm it's like yo no i didn't like yo i think all right now yeah you got one time that was an interesting situation too because like i said now i don't think joe ever gave him his word

[00:30:47] of you know he was gonna vote camilla we obviously saw that joe wanted to vote for chrissy but there were conversations where joe sort of agreed to camilla and now that's different than giving your word but i think that's sometimes where players like a joe or david who value this loyalty so much it could be a struggle because obviously you know that you're loyal to your people there's no question that that's the case but you're playing survivor you're still gonna say

[00:31:15] some things that might not be true and you kind of have to accept that at times that but i think some people in their heads are like well if i'm actually loyal to my people then i could lie to other people and that's not dishonest and not to say that that's really what joe was doing here he was more just trying to be agreeable with this plan he didn't really want to do but um actually i finished rewatch i would rewatch winners at horror with my dad uh we finished it the other night and at final travel council you might remember this one though um uh i think

[00:31:41] ben ben was like well i can attest to tony's loyalty like he always stuck by me and everything and then jeremy was like well yeah because he never voted you out but he told he lied to all of us and put us on the jury like that's not really loyalty if you're only loyal to some of the people that you're working with um selective loyalty to your right now i was all about but that's just why you can't i mean to be honest it's almost like david is playing a really loyal game because he's so in

[00:32:08] with his people that he doesn't really care to care to say anything that like good like just sweet nothings to the other players and that's not good strategy so you have to do something in the middle and it's like joe is saying yeah we initially said we would vote how we're going to vote but as a group we had a conversation as a group we talked and we changed our mind and david's like but that's not what i wanted so you're going back on your word uh but real

[00:32:37] quick jack so you and your dad y'all just watched uh winners at war like y'all binged the whole season no no we had been working through it um real slowly like the last couple visits and all we had left this trip was the finale so wait a minute so every time you come to see your dad you'll watch a season of survivor you try to we try to yeah well when when i i mean back in the day when i first got on the survivor i was able to finally convince my dad to start watching with me

[00:33:07] uh after a couple years and then he fell in love with it so there was a period of time we would be like bingeing them together uh so my dad seen a good amount of survival so you guys were on the couch in the den where were y'all at watching this final tribal camp just in our living room okay did you have snacks maybe it's a little ice cream oh it was a chocolate chip cookie dough

[00:33:32] oh in a bowl or like on a cone in a bowl any any jimmies any toppings just no just just straight just a couple scoops jack do you call them jimmies or sprinkles i call them sprinkles but i know jimmies i call them sprinkles too but i just figured i was maybe you thought i was a jimmy's guy i thought you would be a jimmy's guy no wow that's profiling

[00:34:02] it is my next question though is ice cream a good like did you get seconds i i like a couple scoops but if i i don't i don't go too much with ice cream usually okay um i don't eat a lot of sweets to be honest with you um but i and i'm not a gambler but i will you know take a couple a couple scoops ice cream um but i think when you too much is it just starts to be a little too you know yeah

[00:34:29] i like to i like to really let it get a little warm and swirl it all up so it's almost like a little milkshake somewhere in between a milkshake and uh an ice cream so jerry frosty yeah yeah are you saying you're down for the swirl oh jack's been known oh yeah no no it's a swirl in some ways

[00:35:01] another thing that i feel like this episode inadvertently revealed to us was there's also this other player right it seems like of the tight strong alliance right like i feel like joe and eva they're solid right and then you have david who's like okay then you have a kyle who he's got a camilla and then you have shaheen right and so i think that like when david was really feeling

[00:35:29] not the love from shaheen and kyle um shaheen reveals to us that like he feels like or or that's what kyle is saying that he wants to get camilla and again if i had my bell ding ding ding ding ding i loved how kyle was like okay how can i protect camilla right because she ain't going nowhere okay

[00:35:55] like i said last week kyle was tooted and booted on that ass to keep camilla here and so he wants to rope in shaheen he knows the order of events of how he has to go about to flip the strong alliance so he's out here trying to figure out how can i get shaheen to twerk ass too and i'm like listen you just gotta play a good song and then just play sexy red kyle shaheen won't shaheen won't bounce

[00:36:21] but listen i love how kyle went to shaheen and was like the way david is coming after us is because of camilla and he wants to weaken us and the way hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on well bryce goes off and gets his britches all

[00:36:46] wet it was no that was a very masterful way to go about it by kyle he that's the thing that's the difference i think between what he and david were doing is david kind of knew the right move but framed it on his own what is this noise whereas kyle knew you had to frame it to make sense to the

[00:37:07] other person and so he angled it i got some big pictures for those watching he was ringing out some what looked what's supposed to be white but it looked more so tacky

[00:37:27] not too much my granny panties listen the way that kyle wrote shaheen in but also it's like he did it in a very like hr corporate way of like leading bigging you up like we were he's coming after us we're the threats and the link is camilla and shaheen then goes to his confessional and he

[00:37:53] reveals to us he's got a really close relationship with camilla and i don't think that us as viewers we really i don't think that i knew that camilla and shaheen were really close do we know that as you were they've been like showing it sort of from an outside perspective where david's like shaheen is trying to bring in camilla which i think we saw shaheen said that he was um but obviously they were more worried about shaheen and camilla when kyle and camilla is obviously the main duo but i think

[00:38:22] i think we've been seeing some some starts of shaheen locking in with camilla um but yeah kyle framed it in such a great way like it was exactly what he needed to do again it's not like it's not like all right he's trying to get at me by going for camilla it's like yo he's seeing how how he's clocking y'all so shaheen he's trying to go for your girl so it's like that that is masterful great

[00:38:50] great and that seemed to that seemed to wake shaheen up because eva this episode has so many funny edits okay because the way eva the way they had eva describing it like i waited till everybody was asleep uh to get up and it literally was like you saw on the

[00:39:11] camera eva was like the undertaker uh and shaheen in my opinion was like okay so he clocked it you saw what was going on and then shaheen am i there hold on yeah you're good okay yeah and then shaheen

[00:39:36] is that the best well first of all i wouldn't mind being woken up uh from shaheen like that in the middle of the night caressing my arm uh and telling joe and yeah like what's your thoughts on that jack because i thought what are you doing like you're gonna risk someone waking up and seeing y'all

[00:40:00] who shaheen waking up joe i don't know i think it was fine i mean obviously i don't know what his goal was there like because you can't cast suspicion on eva to joe that right obviously i think joe is shaheen's maybe his number one but eva and them obviously close but i think ultimately handled it well because the next morning eva told them and shaheen was like well she told us so you know that's cool

[00:40:26] with me like i think shaheen i really love the way shaheen's playing this game and he hasn't really had a moment to to like shine super bright but i think that's smart on his behalf because i think we all i mean we know shaheen a little bit but even just watching you know he's got game and he's ready to go but i think he's also been really good about being patient letting the dominoes fall around him how they might need to and i think he's going to be ready to spring into action when the time is

[00:40:54] right and i don't think the time's been right for him yet but he's even his read on everything has like always been really good i even loved at the beginning at the top of the episode when he was like you know it was a unanimous vote for chrissy and there was a vote for me he's like in people's hearts i don't think he was unanimous it was unanimous on paper but he could tell him he was self-aware enough to be like there felt like an energy that more people might have wanted to get me out and so he was like um just honest with himself in in being hyper vigilant it kind of

[00:41:24] reminds me of like a little bit like rachel last season where just he always seems like he's hyper vigilant really being smart but also like really socially solid like he and he doesn't really have like a number one which is through no fault of his own like he's always been trying like but it's like joe and eva paired up like thomas and bianca paired up but he's in pretty good with a bunch of people uh and i mean i can't say enough good things about shaheen i'm just waiting for that moment where he can really like do some damage because he's kind of a free agent but he's a

[00:41:53] little bit with everybody and he's managing it very well and i think that's a great really fun way to play so that and when you when you say when you put it like that though jack i actually think because at first i'm like shaheen what are you doing first of all it's joe he ain't never going to turn on eva and it's in the middle of the night what are you doing but in retrospect i almost feel

[00:42:16] like what he was doing was trying to sow a seed of just saying like look yeah she up and again it worked out that eva one thing we can bet on is eva is eva's gonna be rock solid with who she's rock solid with but again i'm not mad at even shaheen just gently just being like hey joe right because the way it worked out and she told them shaheen was like oh it's good she's with us but

[00:42:46] imagine if she hadn't told them then shaheen could be like well actually joe like well she's she's done then maybe joe would keep an eye out and lock in a little bit more with shaheen um but it would have been a mistake once eva told them if shaheen went to joe was like yo she's got all this stuff like we got to get her but no shaheen was cool he was like oh no we're good and then like that's just like the energy that joe wanted so i feel like shaheen knows how to work with all these different people and kind of

[00:43:14] customize his game and his approach a little bit to each person so i feel like shaheen hasn't had like a moment this season right where he's like we've given a ton of flowers but i think his game collectively so yeah deserving of those flowers i think that time is gonna come he's a fun player to watch and he's a great narrator that too yeah he's super funny like intense good narrator um i know he was an alternate on a previous season as well and i i feel like i heard that maybe some of the

[00:43:43] producers were a little bit split but i'm like i'm very glad we got shaheen on this season he's been really good absolutely i i want to ask you all a question and i want to tread lightly because it's about our girl mary and you know i i'm a part of mary's missionary um and obviously mary she got over this she got to the merge beach and she said get rid of the green i don't bleed green no more i need to get away i need to find somebody new and so it seems though she seems as though she has found david

[00:44:12] and she's got what appears to be a solid number one i um i'm just worried that her attaching herself to david the position that it now has put her in and then it also makes me wonder like say what you want about a say but is there a world that a cedric and a say as chaotic as it would have been like as much as people were saying about a say it seemed like david had a

[00:44:42] say episode or david was having these set say moments and so i'm just curious to think about uh we see where mary is right now with patching herself to david do is there any world where you may be like is a cedric and a say not looking that bad right now or is it like

[00:45:05] like uh we say before make it to the next day oh i'm scared for a mary i'll tell you that um yeah yeah i'm i'm scared for a mary because now granted um i i think jack said this earlier this might not have been the best move for the eva and joe alliance um because in i think there are going to be a lot of eyes that's the tightest bond in the game right now as

[00:45:32] opposed to this big unit being the tightest machine in the game there's now a clear tightest bond i mean other than um kyle and camilla but that's kind of so covert so um i was i was scared for a mary if like if this group kind of stays together but uh i know that there's just going to be a lot of eyes on eva and joe in their artillery yeah i don't love mary's position um but i get her stand like

[00:46:02] she got to the merge didn't really have any allies because her whole green tribe was a disaster she was able to lock in with david and connect with david on the swap tribe too and i mean to her like the way that david sees the game on paper makes a lot of sense if i'm working with david his reads on everything in his plan or something that i as an ally would absolutely like fall and like be aligned

[00:46:26] with um and so i get why mary in that perspective is like down for it and maybe she hasn't even seen a lot of these conversations that david that david has had where he's maybe rubbing people the wrong way because i think with that is when mary should start to distance herself i hope if we haven't seen it yet or you know i hope we do see it going forward that mary can start to make some other inroads but i definitely am a little bit worried she put a lot of eggs in the david basket and that was

[00:46:51] um just clearly ultimately not the right basket to be a part of but she still is here and like we said with david going and with this royal rumble getting ready to hit the stage right now i think that mary could be a mover and a shaker now you keep talking about this eva and joe thing um that it wasn't a bad it was a bad move for them yeah i feel like yeah i i feel like the eva and joe demise

[00:47:20] is going to come right because the the light has been shining so bright and i feel like it's not necessarily a bad move with david because i feel like david would have been crumbling the foundation of the strong alliance but now that they got rid of the david now it's like you're going to be attacked but this is i feel like my one the one move that i feel like joe could have did a little better

[00:47:47] is when he won the reward i definitely don't think he should have picked eva i think this would have been such a great time for him to distance himself to make other bonds like i feel like he should have took mary i feel like he should like give these other people a chance to kind of move and shake around the david like i don't know i just feel like that was my one thing that i wish joe didn't do

[00:48:14] because it would have just allowed people to maybe not think of them as such a strong bond true i mean we just know joe is going to ride or die for eva even if it's the end of his game so i agree with you but i feel like joe probably knew that and was still just like he was my girl like it is i don't know and that's like joe's loyal to a fall and but that's partly why people love him so much even all their players too so but yeah i think you're absolutely right i mean that this

[00:48:43] this move against david definitely opens them up to a lot of uh heat from some of the other people now and they don't and the people they were now they just blindsided mary and star and so they don't really have like someone else who they're really solid with i mean i would be a little surprised if like a shaheem turned on them right now but i would not be that surprised if kyle camilla mitch

[00:49:07] pick up like a mary and then you know start moving and moving and shaking but um yeah i don't think it was a good move for them i know i see why they did it but i i just think even though david seemed like he maybe wasn't the best alliance partner he was going to be loyal to that group he probably wasn't getting a lot of jury votes just based on like how he spoke to chrissy and things like that like even though like he might be tough to work with at times but if they can go

[00:49:35] far away or eva but so okay now riddle me this so and i'm not trying to ruffle any feathers but i feel like that's what i've been saying about say and so why why do i get so much pushback but i'm like if y'all know how if you know that well how people feel about us say like shouldn't we want to work

[00:50:03] with her and see because you know she's not gonna get both i'm just yeah a couple things i think one um david showed sort of in unwavering loyalty to his people say didn't have that necessarily that loyalty so you could try to bring say along or work with say but david has told even the people he's not working with i'm working with these people say is a lot more unpredictable so i think you could

[00:50:32] try to keep say around like for the similar i see what you're reasoning of you might not get a lot of jury votes but getting to the end with say i think is going to be a lot rockier road than with david like david's the type of guy who would just i think vote with the majority every vote until they get to their five and then you play it out and you're probably not going to beat them in a jury vote but with say it's like i don't even like i'm not really sure where her head's at and also like david's people he was tight with them say wasn't really as tight with any of our people so

[00:51:01] um who was really gonna you know mary and joe i think had every reason they know they're close with david stick with them nobody really thought they were that close with set right okay all right that's jack's laundry list can we talk real quick about i mean we kind of jumped over the actual um eva advantage situation

[00:51:28] um a i want to go over her decision making but b i also do want to say it circles back to last episode i don't love that they basically handed her this advantage and that's not her fault at all like she should be taking whatever comes her way but it just felt like it was a little bit of a setup and i feel like honestly for eva's sake she's overcoming so many things you know to do as well as she is i almost wish that they because now it's like again it's not hurtful now i feel like

[00:51:56] oh but eva got things handed to her which she couldn't do anything about and not that it was like handed to her but you know what i mean i'm like why are we and it's on the same playing field as everybody else like because she is she's as good of a player so i don't want there to be like you know if eva wins now i don't want there to be like an asterisk which i feel like a lot of people would put an asterisk so that's why i'm a little frustrated by it not because eva like take whatever is going to come your way and she's doing it like the right thing i wish that it didn't feel

[00:52:25] like it was a little bit right and i also feel like this jack right because she has so many things now now i get now i'm getting paranoid like david in the sense that in survivor normally when people get loaded up with stuff like this they normally fumble the ball they normally like you know it normally doesn't pan out the way or they can never execute it how they want to execute it when you have this much bazooka so for me now it just makes me nervous even more for eva and sometimes when you do have

[00:52:55] a lot of ammo too i actually think that can lead to other players appreciating your game less because if you get to the end and you had i mean not for simplicity say call like two idols a lot of times i feel like people will be like oh well they have idols we're not going to target them and if no one's targeting you then people might feel like again this isn't eva specific this has happened in past seasons if no one's really targeting you because you have the idols like that's you doing your job with your idols but people might be like oh well we never really put heat on them they didn't have

[00:53:23] to move her as much maybe they're less deserving of their vote i mean i felt like um that's yeah that's happened in recent seasons so i don't want that to happen either but let's get let's get to the nitty gritty jack because what i want to know is statistically because what i was thinking when i we watched it i said i gotta ask if jack gonna be on my side statistically i feel like eva did

[00:53:46] the smartest thing and stopping at getting the whatever the second thing that she got would you agree what's oh was she sorry i had a work text coming was she smart in the in stopping what she did yes statistically i just want to know from a statistical standpoint of jackery active also somebody said

[00:54:11] last night at the party is jack's name really jack uh jackery i said no it's jack they said well why y'all call him that i said the jack a little bled so it's jackery okay they said they asked me that too and i was like it's not jackery but um yeah so sorry a couple of work texts coming in that

[00:54:34] but with the i got a job okay this is what i wanted to talk about i i thought it was perfect decision making from eva where she gets the extra vote now she can either risk her extra vote or have a chance at a safety without power 50 50 and you're not losing a vote well i guess you're just losing your extra vote but i think we could all agree uh like a shot a safety without power much stronger than one extra

[00:55:03] vote i feel like that can wow you don't think that depends on the scenario of course but i think in her spot the the potential with a safety without power is much greater than with just an extra vote and i also think i think no no no because i say this why i say that is a safety without power right you're just removing yourself yeah and you keep yourself safe but if you have an extra vote

[00:55:30] maybe you can make a move that will really that could be a million dollar resume adding something to your thing so i just say it depends on the scenario it does depend on the scenario but like safety without power you could also be like joe they're gunning for you today here's your safety without power use this i think i mean situationally a safety without power not not overall but some situation i think a safety without power can be better than an idol sometimes so

[00:56:01] well usually but right but yeah but it's it's close to an idol and so an idol is is better than an extra vote i feel like some of the the pros of an idol though is that safety without power you just remove yourself and you don't even vote and so your alliance might need that vote so yeah you might be safe but you're just gonna be in hot water yes you do have an idol you can still

[00:56:29] help the cause and vote where you need to vote with a vote but i also think it's extra help a safety without power is even more helpful when you already have an idol because then you could be like is this well then oh i mean because then you could save it and you could be like is this an idol moment or is this a safety without power well you can have a safety without a power you can have an idol you can have a shot in the dark and you can have oh i mean you know like coming to war and you're worried

[00:57:01] then if you only have the safety without power and you're worried even if you think your alliance might need your number then you have to play your safety without power to make sure you don't go but if you also have an idol and that's the situation then you can use the idol have your number save the safety without power for a time when a different situation when maybe you're like i'm worried and my vote doesn't matter as much now is the better time to use the safety without power obviously of course it's better

[00:57:30] to have more stuff but i just mean her decision making here given she already has an idol i think the safety without power the value of it goes up because she has that idol i think it's better than this yeah of course yeah overall she's she's better but i just mean a safety without power itself i think is even better when you have an idol because you could use it more circumstantially um and i even i like even thought process about it essentially she was she knows the position that she's in and she's not

[00:57:57] even thinking about it selfishly like even thinking about well with my tribe and my group this would be the best for us and i'm like top off sis now i do want to ask you real quick though jack so the first round after she got wait was it the first one or the second one so she got she got her out for the first round okay i want to know y'all thought process on the other one it was like the two things

[00:58:24] she had to pick up one was like smaller it was three there's two two of them were lose your advantage and one was an idol okay but one of them one isn't wasn't one of them two that she had to pick between one or two i thought that was like the the second one well the first one was picked between there was two score like two yeah yeah okay safety without power one was lose your extra vote

[00:58:49] okay so that's what i'm talking about three and then it was okay two of these are lose your safety without power one is an idol right talking about the first one yes statistically wendell and jack when you saw that thing and one looked like bigger and one looked smaller no one was one was smaller and one was bigger i was wondering like which one no go back and look one like because she picked the

[00:59:16] smaller one and in my mind i'm like i would absolutely pick the smaller one too because you think the bigger it would have to have something so they're going to try to trick you so i would have picked the smaller one go back really different sizes yes oh so that's for me that's why i wanted to actually was like where would your mind go uh if you had the option to pick two things and one's bigger and one's smaller i think the psychology of it all is that when you see something bigger it's like oh that's the better prize and so i you know i would

[00:59:46] think that most people would lean to that but sometimes you know i wasn't thinking about that because i thought they're the same size but um i don't know i feel like um yeah i don't think you kind of just have to feel it out in the moment right but yeah psychologically sometimes the better prize will be in the smaller thing and you're whatever but um you never i guess you ever know a survivor too is like are they trying to like like i feel like your mind most people's

[01:00:14] minds jump to that so it's like a survivor trying to like set it up for success or are they trying to set it up for failure now i think we know with eva kind of what they want but it would vary by person right so um and then yeah i mean so i don't know with that but with the with the second part of the decision and i don't know how big the scrolls were um but i thought it was also just great call for her to stop and just take the safety without power

[01:00:40] uh obviously for the reason i said like i think in some situations a safety without power would be better than an idol like you know if you think you're going to be a unanimous vote i actually think it's better in a lot of ways to have a safety without power make everybody turn on each other rather than let everybody vote for you play your idol pick who goes home you might just be the next person out uh and so for her to have a two-thirds chance to lose that and only a one-thirds chance to upgrade to an idol i thought it was a no-brainer just to keep the safety without power

[01:01:08] if it was 50 50 i think it would have been a little bit more of an interesting dilemma even then i think you keep the safety without power so i'm okay what did you guys i think she stopped right where she needed to stop i wouldn't have gone anymore and in the position that you're in i would have been like you're doing too much so i think that she had the wherewithal to know that

[01:01:31] let's just chill she had the no-brain uh i do want to talk about star um it and we love star i think star is great but do we do you with everything happening with david now gone and now we know the royal rumble is about to be on what are your thoughts on

[01:01:59] is there a path to the end for star there's a path to the end for star i wish there was i mean i'm like annoyed every episode i want more star but obviously because we haven't really gotten much star it's hard to imagine her somehow i mean i'm on top and so here's another theory of mind that i think we've talked about before so y'all saying y'all don't see a path

[01:02:27] to the million for star as to what we have seen thus far in the game and just how the positions have like no thought of her own but like so that's what y'all saying well you saw her run up on david and um mary with a plan and they were like nope we gotta do such and such like and so yeah i just feel like i feel like people are like all right stars here star can be

[01:02:51] a number for us and so she's a uh addition to someone else's game i hate to say that because we love star now i always i talk about this how like in the game of survivor right we only praise the winner for a million dollars however it's like a relay race they're still second and third

[01:03:13] place and it starts shaping up to increase maybe her earnings by getting to the to the end and three like do people think that's still playing the game of survivor like i don't like what's your thoughts because i feel like in the survivor community it's like it's the winner and nobody but i always feel like okay if i know maybe where i'm at and i hadn't been able to make moves well let me at least try to

[01:03:39] figure out how i can get to the end to maximize my payday and i still think that there is game in that and i also think that that is like a nuance that the survivor community doesn't talk about enough because we only focus on the winner true i mean for and for people that i mean might not know it's like what second place gets 100k third place gets 85 third fourth gets like 75 something like that

[01:04:05] so you're totally right that that's a factor right star getting eighth versus star getting second could be the difference of like 60 grand yeah now and i'm not i'm not saying that she or anyone else is doing this uh i think it's a very valid thing to keep in your mind but it's not something i'm as a viewer that i'm going to respect like you if you're out there if you're out there on survivor you should

[01:04:31] be playing to win it's a very valid real life thing to be like let me up my bread but i'm not going to like ever want you back on survivor if you're not playing the game to win but but i just asked y'all it what do y'all see and y'all said like yeah she just doesn't have the agency okay and so i'm not saying that she's giving up but i'm still saying that like maybe her past star but i just mean in

[01:04:55] general like um you should at least be like but i know like it's a valid real world it's it reminds me of like in winners at war when i criticized ben for basically telling sarah to vote him out because like the friendship he had mattered more than the money like that's a valid real world genuine human thing but it's not like i'm going to be watching this around and be like oh people

[01:05:21] should definitely do that like that's just bad gameplay so okay so then now now let me play devil's advocate with you on this and again i this isn't my sentiment but what you are saying so then what so what do you think about joe's game with his relationship with eva well i think he could beat yeah yeah they both have a very strong for second he's planning to win and keep eva with him

[01:05:49] but i'm also not saying this about star i i've still no i'm not i'm not saying about i'm just saying the position in general that's where i have it that's where i'm fighting you at is that i think survivor can change so much even come like the final five or the final six that you always like i get what you mean where at some points it might seem like sort of hopeless but also if you feel like you're going to be able to get to like second or third that means you're going to be at final tribal council too and that's going to give you a chance to pitch yourself like stay active

[01:06:18] and stay i mean obviously not that people like wouldn't try at that point but i just feel like if you're there at any point i feel like at least like again i said like real life real world as people very valid but as someone that i would want to watch or that i would want to cast on survivor i would hope that you would never resign yourself to thinking that you cannot be first because it's just going to make you play safer it's going to be more boring um so like if someone does it i'm not

[01:06:45] going to if someone's like look i at final eight i really felt like i couldn't win and i had to angle myself like get second and then they get second and they get 100k i'm not going to be like oh like like whatever like valid like go get your bread but at the same time if you're going to do that like i'm not going to be like oh well you're a great player then you know i mean like that's just a little bit again i just also feel like that you kind of then just discredit uh you should

[01:07:14] but like there also is something to just surviving right like to be able to maneuver yourself and put yourself in a position to be able to move i think is like i think you're belittling that a little bit and i say like oh you're not going to win that yeah it should be something but it's not giving up on women though like i feel like what you're saying is that are they positioning themselves they're lowering their chance to win so they have a better chance to get like second or third no i'm just saying you keep fighting and you keep popping off but you also like you maybe hey maybe i

[01:07:44] got this idea to blow on side window and i'm i'm floating it around but ain't nobody putting up smoke and i don't want to be a resistance so like maybe when something else comes up i'm like all right fine we'll get rid of jack even though i'm like we need to get like i'm just saying that's different that's just like is i mean obviously i'm not saying like nobody if the plan's not going to work but you don't have to like don't david it all is out yeah and it was bad right so but if if the way you're

[01:08:13] describing it i feel it's more so like someone be like oh well should i make this move that could give me a chance to win that might work or should i like hang back and be safer and get and play for like final and like play for second that's the way you're describing it more to me it's not like do i push a plan that's not going to work because that's not winning like a winning survivor style but it's more like would you not do things that could allow you to win because you want a better shot to get second and to me that's not very entertaining it's valid but it's not it's not

[01:08:42] anything that the survivor do people do that they do you're saying do people do that oh probably maybe not maybe not actively but i mean yeah there are some not so great players that are not that are also not self-aware that are dragged to the end but then they're all i don't think people are like you know what i'm gonna tank my whatever so that i get dragged to the end i think if you're that

[01:09:08] type of person that is able to if you're actually able to calculate that out that well or whatever and like execute it then you're probably not going to be in that much of a losing position in the first place because you're probably pretty well you're probably yeah if you thought that much then you could win the damn game so yeah i do think there's people that might be out there that are like um like you said they're they're like i'm here i'm happy to be here i want to stick around whatever happens happens i don't need to like win so the farther i go the better and like sure that's and like but

[01:09:37] that's not necessarily like a calculated thing but but again that's mindset's valid in in in just like a human to human thing but those aren't the most exciting people to watch like those people are not going to be asked back on another season i mean i'm we know you out here casting jack but you ain't casting for survivors so you don't know i think i could i think um i i would reckon that survivor casting would agree if someone like if you're resigned if you're resigned it's not it's not

[01:10:06] we don't want passive strategic players we could agree on that well i mean we had a couple of winners we had a couple of passive strategic winners no not really i mean but if you get yourself but at the same time that's a people like well and that's why they're considered some of the worst winners and why they haven't why they haven't come back it happens but like they're not like think about people they ask back it's not the people that sit around and let the game just go on around them

[01:10:35] it's the people that and that's not to say and also this isn't like uh this isn't me to say like oh if you got second on survivor then you're like a passive player not at all but there are people that whether it's second or 19th that are just you know just kind of passive and they just don't really get asked back and they're not very entertaining to watch yeah i'm just saying i think that yeah how i describe it sorry it's a very valid question right so i like yeah so i'm just you know

[01:11:05] because again i feel like we just sometimes don't give credit to second third and fourth uh who yeah maybe in the end you didn't win however you still got there and you still had to do what you had to do get there and so yeah it's just not that yeah but although i to be honest and maybe not everyone would agree with this i respect a 14th placer who like is out there playing more than i and like giving themselves into taking shots to maybe get a chance to win and maybe just doesn't go their way

[01:11:34] i respect that more than a third placer who's just getting dragged along and maybe and i can understand if not everybody agrees with that but like um and again the second third like that's not there's there's some third places where their asses off and it just doesn't work out and they're great and there's some third places that have we ever had you know the classic goat or someone that's getting dragged along to the end have we ever have we ever had somebody uh out there

[01:12:04] or that you can remember that's been like yeah i'll let him drag me uh what did philip shepherd say you watch that season you said a lot you watch survivor 47 i mean uh survivor what 47 is there's

[01:12:26] something similar to that final travel council and it wasn't rachel and it wasn't sam but was it teeny no no was that you don't remember is kind of mommy not too much on tsunami well it's not but like sue she left she was happy to be there no but also listen i like no i've spent

[01:12:55] an exuberant amount of time with sue uh and that's that's not how sue feels at all sue okay i stand corrected i stand corrected you you spent a what time with sue listen you're not gonna clock in on me okay um okay yeah i don't mean

[01:13:19] i guess yeah i mean i guess also i don't know everyone's perception like i think like windows sort of like everyone is looks at their own game a little bit differently too so i mean as long as in someone's own mind they're fighting hard however that manifests itself in the game is whatever like i can't judge that but you're right like if someone were more like if someone came out i was like yeah i was cool getting third like i just wanted to go and i would do want to know about that

[01:13:46] and again i don't say like oh i'm just cool getting third again it is knowing the people that you're here with knowing what the jury looks like i'm just saying being aware enough to know they're like yeah it might not be my time i'm still gonna play but also it's like keep your head up team keep your head up sis like three is still a like that's that's still something that's all totally

[01:14:13] do we have any predictions as to uh you know i don't like to watch the trailer for next week because i consider it spoiling jack but uh do we have any big predictions as to like what we think who a big mover and shaker could be i think it's time for those people that were outside of the strong alliance to start moving and shaking and flipping the game on its head i think it's gonna happen

[01:14:38] or at least they're gonna try it yeah i i'm i feel like next week could be the time to i mean if there's ever a time to go for even joe it's i think it's next week i mean they're gonna have six people on the outside of that alliance you could split the vote three three and i don't know maybe maybe star is not down maybe star doesn't want to flip on them but you still there's still some some things you can do with that crew so and maybe because i'm a viewer tell me is this too much

[01:15:08] of a foresight right so because in my mind if we break it up if we go after joe and eva right and we can break that duo then in my as a viewer then i'm like then the next power players are going to be kyle and camilla right and so it's like i just wonder if there's anyone you know what i'm saying like it's like a lot to clock and so it's like if someone could get into power um and say you

[01:15:35] knock down a joe or eva that weakens them and then it's like the next duo that we as viewers get to see are like kyle and camilla and so i'm just wondering if there's any calculation to be like okay we gotta boom boom boom like yeah we could watch we could watch a bunch of um big dogs go out over the next few weeks it could happen because getting rid of david exposes joe getting rid of joe

[01:16:04] exposes uh eva a kyle uh yeah like we could see there's potential and that's where i just say shaheen there right i like i i feel like that go ahead sorry no but now some of these big dogs are the ones who turn the tables a little bit already and so of this strong five alliance the only real

[01:16:28] big targets left in that are are that eva and joe duo and so if for for a shot to be fired at them is gonna you know take a big play and then if you look at like kyle shaheen camilla i mean they like if there's more like the joe and eva are sort of the last of that strong five group and so whether it's them getting attacked or it's other players starting to turn on each other i don't

[01:16:54] know if it's going to be like big dogs per se but i think it will get interesting is there a world where we could see a shot like me as a viewer i would love a star mary shaheen and a mitch like that would shake the table maybe i don't know that seems kind of a random group right now i mean but i'm just saying though i'm just in my mind of the people that yeah like so i mean i think it would

[01:17:22] be more of like a camilla kyle mary mitch and then they try to pull in like uh and like shaheen i think that's a five that could i think that five would be the best to go against like joe eva star um i don't know if like i feel stars pretty with even joe um we also if the if the strong guy alliance if the honor and integrity alliance goes down do you think maybe it might be a world where it's like

[01:17:51] the vote shift every week and could it go back to what we've seen maybe in more recent survivor of they look scattered every time i also do see a world where like you know kyle and um shaheen and joe and eva are still a core group and then they take out like a mary and then they take out like a mitch

[01:18:17] um and then we have a couple boring weeks i actually think that's pretty possible and then once it gets down to it then it's like shaheen kyle and camilla versus like star eva and joe is i think what it could look like though but i think at least again it's gonna be interesting right like the last few weeks were a little bit more predictable yeah i mean i am i almost felt like

[01:18:42] this episode just how it was playing out was a little predictable as well in the sense of like just david just david-ing i i could see it it wasn't like a oh my god i couldn't believe that happened agree but it was like at least uh interesting sort of downfall and turning up the tables a little bit yeah i'm hoping that he got his chocolate milk but listen this was definitely uh

[01:19:08] uh we cracked the egg i feel like next episode the yolk might be pouring on out uh and we won't see if the egg is going to get scrambled or it's going to get poached or it's going to get sunny side up uh i'm excited to see where it happens i feel like i feel like i said this three weeks ago but i feel like

[01:19:31] next episode is when the second half of survivor the stove is going to be cooking on the the pot's going to be cooking on the stove but listen uh we'll be in philadelphia next week uh for bryce and win 48 so you can get your tickets click the link in the instagram bio bryce and win or you can head to bryceandwin.com uh and get your tickets we still got philadelphia we still have dc we still have boston

[01:19:56] we still have the grand finale of new york uh from here inside the warm austin uh we thank you for listening this has been your well any last words before i take us on home take us to the house okay we can give little one we're going to give one to a little grace okay last week he was cooking we had

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