Purple Pants Podcast | Double Eliminations & Strategic Maneuvers: Survivor 48 Episode 7 Recap

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[00:00:56] Hello, hello and welcome to the Purple Pants Podcast, Survivor News Edition. Covering Survivor Season 48, Episode 7. I serve as your humble and oh so gracious host, Bryce Isaiah. And I thank you so much for tuning in to this week's Survivor News Recap. If you could be so kind to ensure you are subscribed to the Purple Pants Podcast. And as always with your Survivor News content, you can watch this audio podcast on video.

[00:01:24] Head over to the Bryce Isaiah YouTube channel. Click subscribe. Give this video a thumbs up and let us know in the comments what you think about this week's episode. We've got a lot to unpack with this double tribal council. Only one person making the merge. This record-breaking challenge. So much to get into. And we are joined by Wendell Holland, the winner of Ghost Island. Jack Atkins from The Circle Season 2.

[00:01:53] And we have the distinguished honor of having Sarah Wilson from Season 41 with us. So that we can break down this episode. Let's get into this week's Survivor News. Survivor News. Survivor News.

[00:02:27] Survivor News. What is going on? Welcome back to Survivor News covering Survivor Season 48 Episode 7. I feel like we're in a murder mystery. But let's keep it rolling. Welcome back to the podcast. The winner of Ghost Island and the co-owner of the Gaslamp Hotel, which is in Philadelphia.

[00:02:55] I was in Boston this past week for the RHAP Live event. And there were two people that I spoke to that are coming to Philly and they booked at the Gaslamp Hotel. So I said I would deliver that message. Oh, my gosh. Welcome back to the podcast, Wendy Z. Thank you very much, Bryce. Hey, whoever those two are. Thank you guys very much for the support. DM the Bryce and Wynn account so we can make sure that we know who you are.

[00:03:23] Unless Bryce will just tell me after the pod. So we got other guests to get to. But I specifically said once I tell him that this will be the response. And so I don't bet money, but somebody owes me money. I know that's right. Also, let's welcome. Wait a minute. Is it you that booked the? Were you talking about yourself? Did you just like? I said two people. So I might be the second person.

[00:03:53] But listen, let's also welcome to the podcast. He is a man of mystery. He also has been dropping these photos from his movie that will be dropping. And then also he gave us a notification that little brick from his first feature film will be headed to YouTube. Let's welcome back to the podcast. The Jack Shack always loud and what? Loud and right. Oh, now, wait a minute, Jack. Okay.

[00:04:22] Jack has had if you are listening to the audio podcast. Welcome. But you should head over to YouTube to the Bryce is a YouTube. Jack has had his camera off for the last five minutes and he had this big reveal. He has now turned his camera on and it was the lackluster. Oh, wait, is that a black eye? Exactly. Did you meet up with say exactly? And I knew that's exactly what I was going to say. And I didn't.

[00:04:52] I didn't. I knew you guys were going to ask before we started the podcast. I was like, I got to save this for the pod. So I had to go camera off. Yes. Some safe fans caught me outside last night and they were just unhappy with how right I was. So they had to give me a little talking to and a little black eye. The Jack Shack needs to arise. It's okay. Okay. Now time out, Jack, because we got to get to our guests and then we're going to circle

[00:05:17] back to this, but we have the honor, the privilege of welcoming royalty to the survivor news family. You may remember her from survivor season 41, but also she's my boo. Welcome to the podcast. Sarah Wilson. What's up, Sarah? Thank you. So excited to be joining. Took a little break from survivor, but we're back. So excited to be joining today and talk some shit or not shit. Talk some regular stuff as well.

[00:05:47] Let's talk shit. You are in the right podcast, Sarah. This season. Now, Jackery. Yes. You know what? Cause maybe I come in too hot when when DZ handle this, please, because I'm confused. Okay. Jackery. Um, I guess I'm asking you about this shiner that is on your eye. Is that what you want me to ask him? Yes. Okay. Jack. Yeah. Let's get into it. Jack.

[00:06:16] Can you get really close so we can get a nice view? Ooh, no. Ooh. The same military pulled up on you or what? The say, what are they? Okay. Before we Jack gives us our answer. We should, as a panel, try to figure this out. Cause my theory is Jack in the middle of the night went into his refrigerator to get one

[00:06:43] of those enchiladas that he gets from Trader Joe's and open the refrigerator door and it hit him in the eye. That's what I'm going with. Okay. Wendell, what's your theory? I think Jack was trying to do something athletic. Jack talks a lot of, um, Jack says he's a Hooper. I think Jack was trying to do a sport and might've caught a bow to the face. Even though Jack is like six, eight. I don't know. There's not a lot of people that are that tall to bow you, but I think it was a bow via some athletic activity.

[00:07:13] Okay. Sarah, please. Oh, I don't know. I mean, he's just such a standup guy. He was probably trying to rescue a cat out of a tree with something. Oh, I don't know. You're like, you're like, you're like it. I don't know that. Another theory, another theory. Cause you know, I am, I guess I'm a member of the Jack shack and I got my notifications turned on, uh, to the Jack 21 Instagram and he had a whole party last weekend and he

[00:07:42] was DJing and maybe you was playing Nuck if you buck. And I feel like cache might've been like, Nuck if you buck and bop right in your eye, Jack. Wait, you were, you were on the right. So I did post about this on my Instagram story. I don't know if that's what Wendell, it was during a basketball game, but I received When you were handing out water. Damn. No champion. We were a championship game of my, my league.

[00:08:09] Uh, I was guarding someone on a rebound and they jumped up and headbutted me in the cheeks. So that was painful, but it wouldn't have been an elbow cause they're too short. Right. So they're jumping. Damn. Exactly. But unfortunately I'm happy to say we lost the championship, but it was a valiant effort from the squad. So, uh, check the planet. I'm sorry about that. Does that add injury to insult when you get headbutted and you don't take the chip home?

[00:08:39] Yeah. That's the problem. Like, was it worth it? You know what I'm saying? Like we're all good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a great season, man. Come on. What were your numbers looking like, Jack? How were you playing? Um, I mean, championship didn't, I only have five, but I, I had probably eight to tennis. I, we played a good team. They played zone. I was top of the top of the high post. I was dishing out. They had to stop playing zone cause I was dishing. Semifinals.

[00:09:07] I, cause I had a semifinals. I had 15, 13 and six. And then the game before that, the game before that I had 16 points, 21 boards. So. Okay. So you're playing. Okay. We're going to say, Sarah, what are boards? Over my head. I have no idea. Okay. Cause boards sound like rebounds. So, so why wouldn't you, we just say rebound. Cause if you really ball, you just call it boards.

[00:09:37] That's 20. You said how many rebounds? 21. So what, what was the middle school you were playing against? 21. Well, the team we played in the championship was very good. The first, not to get too into it. The first two games we played, I wasn't there. We lost them by 30 and 20 this game. We were with them the whole way down by three with about a minute left. We had to start fouling. So we lost by seven, but it was, you had to start fouling or they started fouling. No, we had to start fouling them cause we were down.

[00:10:05] So we had to like force them to shoot free throws, but anyway, not to get too much. That's how I got the black guy. Okay. But I feel look, regardless of this, I feel healthier and more alive than ever after last night. So I'm excited to be here. I just have one more question, Jack, for you. Cause the listeners want to know, what is your game? Like, who do you play like? Cause with these numbers, you're sounding like the Joker or something, but who do you play like? It's not like Bronny.

[00:10:35] No, not Bronny. Um, no, like, I don't think Yoke is a terrible comparison. I mean, obviously way better, but my best, best part of my game. I'm a point forward. I can pass the ball. I can, I can handle the ball. Uh, so despite like that, but so I would say, you know, Yoke is a bad comparison, but, um, yeah.

[00:11:02] Well, it's a nice badge of honor on your face. Yes. Exactly. Wendell, what is your ball handle like? What? Just, I'm gonna, I'm gonna answer a question like that. If it comes from Jack and if he properly asks the question. Wendell, who's your NBA comp? Okay. Okay.

[00:11:31] So they like to call me the Mamba. They like to compare me to Kobe, um, for a while, but now my game has matured. I'd say so now I'm more of a facilitator. So you can call me, um, I'm a defender. Uh, you call me like Draymond now. Whoa. Okay. I was gonna say, before we move on from the ball talk, cause I know the comment is definitely gonna be mad. I'll give you a better. I'll give you an Alperin Sengoon.

[00:12:02] Oh, on the Rockets, maybe Yoke. Okay. So Jack, my last question. Well, boys, there are two ladies here. So let's like, ladies, that's it. Jack, what's the score if we played one on one? So what are we playing though? Uh, we're going to, we're going to 11. I've never seen you play, but I've never seen you play. Oh, and we're going to be at Austin in two weeks. Give me two 11 ones and twos.

[00:12:32] Ones and twos. Give me me 11 to nine. Okay. Okay. Do we want to put any money on this? Cause you know, Jack doesn't gamble, but I've never seen one to play. I can't say for sure. I mean, if he, if he's a dream on, I might catch an elbow to the other. So that could be good content for the, for the purple pants pot, a little one-on-one in Austin. So I got, I got it. I got it.

[00:13:02] Um, I got it. 11, six me. Okay. Okay. Well, I gave you nine. I'm trying to be respectful. Oh, so six is disrespectful. I mean, more disrespectful than nine. I mean, well, anyways, we got a lot of talk about, uh, we do. And I mean, we might have to make this happen. Cause the baby boys are headed to Austin. We will be in Austin, Texas, April 23rd from April 23rd.

[00:13:31] We are heading on home to Philadelphia, April 30th from April 30th. If we are going to be in Washington, D C May 7th from May 7th, Boston stand up. We'll be in Boston, May 14th. And from there, the grand finale of this season of survivor 48, we will be in New York city. Tickets are available.

[00:13:55] If you'd like to come and see the baby boys play one-on-one, see our ball handle, uh, get some boards, uh, click the link, uh, in our Instagram bio, or you can head to Bryce and win.com and get your tickets. And the baby boys, all three of us will see you on Austin and two weeks, but we've got to get into this episode because who a lot has happened. We've been in a lot of discourse.

[00:14:22] And here on this podcast, we speak honesty, we speak integrity, uh, and we speak britches. So Jack, where are we going? That's a good question. I mean, Before you start, Sarah, what is your take on this season so far? We know you took a break from survivor. Uh, welcome back to survivor.

[00:14:52] What's your thoughts on, you know, the newer era. This would be an older of the newer era. Cause you are a OG of the new era. What's your thoughts on survivor 48? Honestly, I'm loving it so far. I feel like there's a lot of likable characters. I guess like, I feel like we're getting a lot of different tastes of people.

[00:15:14] Um, I'm also really loving the fact that we're seeing some of the old school survivor elements with like a strength alliance and then also some of the more like backstabby, the more new era play style as well. So I think it's kind of interesting to see those two collide. I think we saw that becoming a topic of conversation in this episode. So excited to see how that carries through, but definitely have been entertained to say the least so far. Yes.

[00:15:44] Jackery. Yeah, I mean, all, all I gotta say to start off. I just feel very redeemed right now. Yeah. Part of me, very, very, very, very small part of me was like, say could go all the way and take this and I would look like a fool. But like usual, my takes aged pretty good.

[00:16:08] So, and I don't want to talk because I'm not trying to rub salt in the wound, but that my take speak for themselves. So I was very happy about that. The other big highlight to me was this challenge. I mean, I think the editing and this challenge, dare I say, yes, we've ever seen in a challenge is that that's that doesn't seem crazy to me. I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but it's in that conversation. Jack. Jack.

[00:16:37] Jack is really loving this. We might be a Jack. We might be agreeing on some because this challenge, right? Her. This challenge, right? Her. Was something different. And I am inclined to agree with you, Jack, but I just feel like, oh, oh, sorry. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sarah, you're a guest. So I'm trying to like be respectful.

[00:17:06] But I mean, this challenge right here. Whoa. Hold on. Wait a second. Because I'm going to frame that. Put it above my bed. You might have to. Yeah. And listen, shout out to Jack and shout out to Wendell. Because, you know, I was, you know, Kyle this, Kyle that. Kyle was showing up this episode. David showed up this episode.

[00:17:34] Oh, sorry, y'all. Oh, so sorry. Oh, I'm so, I'm so. Hold on. No respect. I am so sorry. Oh, y'all. I'm so sorry, y'all. I have to. And I have to do this live on the podcast. Are you changing your britches? I have to change my britches. Oh, my God. Oh, I gots to change. I got to change my britches, y'all. Because, oh, my God.

[00:18:06] I gots, I have to change. What? You see how soaking wet these britches got? Do you see? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What just happened? Oh, sorry. Oh, Dave. We just had a live britches changing? Is that long? Oh, my God. It's time for everything.

[00:18:35] For the audio listeners, Bryce just pulled up a pair of his, typically considered women's britches, but I guess Bryce's, and rung them out like a spoon. And they were dripping. And they were so. I know, I know somewhere right underneath Bryce's camera, he's got like a bucket. He might have just ruined his keyboard.

[00:19:04] Oh, my God. That, that was an epic challenge. And when we have someone like a David, when we had someone like a Shaheen, we had Joe, we had Kyle showing out at this challenge. They broke the record. They broke Al Gabbler's record of this actual challenge.

[00:19:32] The one thing that I will say after, I think Say was out first after, you know, kind of, Uncle Sedi. Oh, Sedi was out first. Say even Mitch couldn't hang in there. Mitch was trying to hang in there. When it got down to like the four or five in my mind, I'm like, Kyle, drop out of this challenge right now. Because with Kyle winning the immunity last week,

[00:20:01] also the way that Kyle's aura, in my opinion as a viewer is shifting. I'm like, Kyle, that is too much to do back to back. And so I was actually rooting for Kyle to drop out, because I don't want any more heat on him, because I feel like he is in a fine position. But this challenge was absolutely so much fun to watch. We are Teresa and Nemo. And that's why we switched to Shopify. The platform,

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[00:21:00] of the five people that they've determined as well. And it's like, then they were all the ones like hanging on for the longest. And it's like, you'd think that maybe one of them would think like, oh, maybe we shouldn't make this look like the five of us are going to dominate in every challenge from here on out. Because I feel like that also probably could have incited like some of Chrissy's fears later on in the tribal. Absolutely. And we'll have to talk about Chrissy because I feel like,

[00:21:29] in my opinion, Chrissy was an all star this episode because she spoke the truth. But before I don't want to Yeah, we'll get to that. But no, yeah, this challenge. I mean, and also shout out to Eva was crushing this challenge as well. Eva was killing it. This is one of those challenges where, you know, it's I'm surprised because truthfully, humbly, I don't think I'd be very good at this job because I'm a, I'm a pretty big boy and I don't have that.

[00:21:57] I'm not as strong as a Joe or a David or a Kyle. So my bag would be pretty heavy because it's like a what a quarter of your body weight. But I don't, I don't, I might be looking like Cedric in this challenge. But, um, yeah, it was, it was impressive that all the big, the biggest guys were also able to just like hold the most weight. Not to mention outside of the challenge, all of the, I mean, Shaheen doing a killer survivor music impression.

[00:22:26] You had Kyle, you know, prompting Jeff to do the apply now. You know, I thought that was also like very meta, but very fun. And the editors had a field day with it. Absolutely. Jeff had a field day with it. The way Jeff sprung into action, what Kyle said that Jeff was like, you know what? Hey, you sitting at home apply now. I was like, you could see Jeff was having one of those Jeffrey moments. Maybe Jeff's britches were getting a little, uh, soggy at the time.

[00:22:57] Bryce, leave it alone. Oh no. Yeah. And we ultimately see, uh, Joe and David winning, uh, immunity, which was great for the strength and integrity Alliance. Uh, and you know, showing true dominance, uh, when it comes to physical challenges. Uh, and so again, I thought that was great, but I don't want to jump around too much,

[00:23:27] but I do want to just ask this panel a question. Uh, and with the discourse that's on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, the strength and Alliance and integrity, uh, coalition. Right. I sounds good on paper, but does it make for an interesting season?

[00:23:55] Not if it's executed correctly. Uh, you get people saying like they miss old survivor, this, that, and the third. And then you get this group of people. They're like, you know what? Let's get these strong people together and let's. Stand by our word, look out for each other and do this thing. And it, they're effectuating that plan. And you get discourse online. Like, man, this is boring.

[00:24:25] And we were watching this. See, this season was great. Like I was loving everything about it. These characters are up. But then this particular episode is like, man. And it's, and to watch, you know, say and said go, it's like, geez, like this strength and Alliance, this strength and integrity Alliance. They're doing it. So, I mean, good game play. Yeah. Y'all are together. It looks like you guys are on a trajectory to do very well in this game, but geez, like to watch it.

[00:24:54] I mean, people call ghost island boring. Cause me and Dom kind of had that mindset. Like we are going to the end together. I mean, obviously with Laurel, even with Donathan, you know, we had our allies and we're like set on doing it together. But people say it makes for a boring season. And Sarah was ghost island boring. I didn't think ghost island was boring. I mean, I agree. One, do I feel like it's like you're in a situation where you can't really win?

[00:25:22] Cause it's like, everyone does say, Oh, we miss old school survivor, but people also say, Oh, I'm so tired of it being blindside after blindside. And it's like, now we have a situation where it is more like old school survivor. People aren't really happy. So I don't know. I mean, I think it'll be interesting if we can get a mix of it in there. I feel like, especially in new era, things change so fast. So it'll be interesting to see how long the sticks for. Um, but I mean, they do seem like a solid group.

[00:25:50] I also wouldn't be surprised to see if they make it all the way to the end altogether. So I feel confident that I think the likes of Kyle, Camilla, Shaheen will switch things up. I think the people that are only really locked in are Joe, Eva, David seem to be a tight trio now, but I don't, I don't really see them running, running the table at this point.

[00:26:15] What's the difference in the integrity and honest, uh, alliance and voting blocks? Well, you kind of just said it yourself. I mean, one is a alliance that is never going to lie to each other. They're going to stick to tight until the end of the game. And then a voting block is like, all right, our interests are aligned. Let's group up for this vote. And then maybe it changes the next time.

[00:26:38] So you know how, like what's that Venn diagram when it's like circle, circle, circle, and they're all different circles, but then the circles align at some point in time. So voting blocks can align with like the strength and integrity alliance. Yeah. Right.

[00:26:58] So like, again, I feel like that's for me is like what feels like old school survivor where it's like these voting blocks where it's like, it's the majority kind of sorta just bulldozes anyone that's not with them. And I think that was kind of refreshing in the new era where we saw when we had these obvious votes, someone would go, hmm, maybe it's not so obvious. Maybe we can move it around. And that makes it exciting.

[00:27:25] And to quote a not so like famous or notable person on the podcast. But when DZ, you speak about the pendulum and I think we see the pendulum of the survivor of making these crazy moves. And I think we're visibly watching the pendulum swing back to bulldozing. But I think what was very eloquently spoken at tribal was my girl Chrissy being like.

[00:27:55] This ish is a facade and like, well, we have to play at some point. And so, yes, I want some integrity and I want some honor and dignity. But until when? Well, I love that Chrissy's head is in that mindset, but we can all agree that was a terrible thing to say at tribal. Right. Or do you disagree, Bryce?

[00:28:18] I think she was crashing out. Like, I just I think it was smart, but I think she also said it in front of the wrong group of people to read the room. Well, if you're like she's like, well, at some point, I know I can't trust Joe and I got to vote him out. It's like I think she's like, well, obviously not tonight. You just told Joe you don't want to go far with them. And the rest of his allies, like I think Chrissy's going to be in hot water suit because of that.

[00:28:46] Even though her headspace is in the perfect place. And I'm honestly glad I didn't really expect Chrissy feels kind of old school. Right. So I like that she was thinking that. But I think she even realized that she was going that she talked herself into a corner. But and again, I'm just from a viewer standpoint, because I love I mean, I love the strong and solid alliance. Like I love it, David. I love it, Joe. I love it, Eva, like their story arcs. I think that it's great. But again, my question is when you.

[00:29:17] I've never been in a strong alliance. I don't know. I don't I don't know what that is, Sarah. I don't know if you know, you know, either. But my my question to you, Wendell, because you were in somewhat of an alliance like this. Right. Like in the back of your mind, you are thinking this is Survivor. I know my man Dom is solid, but like you are in the back of your mind being like.

[00:29:46] Keeping your head on the swivel. Yes, but like I think during I think during the season, I compared to like the Cold War with like, oh, like mutually assured devastation. Like if you both have like warheads and you're like you you're both it's in both of your interests to just chill out a little bit. So like I think Dom had an idol or advantage, whatever. And I did the same. So it's like, yo, we can aim at each other. But it's a wrap for both of us when we start pushing that button.

[00:30:15] Whereas if we just stick together, we will get far together and then we can go at each other at the end. But if you go for each other prematurely, like we've seen so often in the new era, you're both going to be out of there because you become that glaring threat. And I think with the fire making challenge, too, it helps that sense of loyalty a little bit because it's like you and Dom can go at each other and it can sort of be like, well, we can you know, one of us might go out and fire.

[00:30:45] Whereas, you know, back in old survivor, you might not want to go to the final two or the final three with your closest ally. And you would have to then turn on them at like the final four or the final three vote out. But now it's like if you have a tight duo, you go to fire making. Whoever wins fire making or whatever is going to win the game. And that's not a bad situation to be in as a duo, I would say. It's an interesting situation, too.

[00:31:08] Sorry to see an alliance of such strong people, because I feel like when you think of like strong alliances in survivor history, it's never a group of like six or five or six of the toughest like competitors. I feel like it's always a mixture. So it's like at some point. You'd think that they want to think about like, oh, do I actually want to go up against all these people in every single immunity challenge?

[00:31:31] Like, wouldn't you rather be in a position to where you win or maybe sticking all together as a group lessens your individual threat level? I don't know. It's an interesting dynamic, but I honestly can't remember a time that I've seen it like this in the show survivor. And when we who is in the strong integrity alliance like Eva, Joe and David, who? And then like Kyle and Sean are sort of on the sides of it.

[00:31:57] Yeah, I feel like those two will, when the time is right, make them like those two are not integrity like guys in the in the sense of they're willing to play the game a little bit more. They're not going to be blindly loyal, although we've seen Kyle and Shaheen are not those two are not necessarily aligned completely.

[00:32:17] So I don't know. But it also like it doesn't I don't mind it from like David, Joe and Eva's standpoint, because like we've seen you talk about the pendulum in recent history, like those kind of targets will go out a little bit earlier. So kind of have to protect each other for a little bit. It's just kind of like when it boils down to it, are they willing to make the move? Because if they do this and then one of them wins, it's like, sure, it's kind of boring, but maybe it was a good strategy. Yeah. Bulldoze to the end.

[00:32:45] I want to watch for like if you to the end in a position to win, then it's fine game play. Yeah, I'm bored with it. I wanted to ask back to the sorry. Did you have something on this? Right. So in that line of thinking, though, do because I feel like if that is the strong and integrity alliance, right, I feel like Kyle, if we're looking at it from a viewer, right.

[00:33:15] Who is in the best position in in that situation? Right. And I'm like thinking about their connections. And so obviously, you know, it's Joe and Eva. I don't really know any other stronger bond that those two have. Then we have David and he's got some branches out there. He's got different places than we have Shaheen. He's got some branches. And then we've got Kyle, who I think like he's a tree.

[00:33:41] And so it's interesting when we think of like the core of the the strong integrity and power alliance is crazy because it's looking like Kyle might be in the best position of that. Great. I agree.

[00:33:57] And even David has like some, I mean, being locked in with Joe and Eva, but then also being in good with all of his Siva people like he's probably not going to have a lot of eyes on him moving forward. And Shaheen, I didn't I didn't disagree with Shaheen's analysis early in the episode of like, it seems like things would kind of have to flow through him. But because he's not like overwhelmingly tight with anybody, I wonder if people start to realize that sort of like they did later this episode.

[00:34:27] And maybe that could put a target on his back. But I do think Shaheen has the like the strategic skills and some of the social skills and being in this alliance where he'll know when the time is right to branch out. Just whether his head pokes up too far before that, I think. That's what makes me nervous about Shaheen, because, again, when we think about a player like a Thomas, right, Thomas was deceptive and amazing. I also feel like Shaheen is similar to a Thomas.

[00:34:57] Right. And then when you're left in this bunch of like the shifty one, there will be a time that like the alliance will look at you and like, can we actually trust the Shaheen? I think Shaheen has made the right moves thus far because Thomas got blown up. So he was like, oh, I need to pull back. But it does make me worry for Shaheen because I feel like Shaheen has it in him to make a move.

[00:35:21] I would agree. I feel like the whole thing with him going through Kyle's bag, like, unfortunately, I feel like that's made it so that Kyle and Camilla are never going to fully trust him. So it puts him in a little bit of a dangerous spot, I think. Like, and even if they do and even if they do trust him, they always have a reason why they can vote him out or they have now they have the perfect reason. Like, oh, I didn't trust you because of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:35:51] Even if it's like, you know what? He went through my bad because we're playing Survivor and, you know, the tides can change. But now it's just like they he gave them a reason. Yeah, it's also interesting because it's like I feel like a lot of people in the game right now have like I feel like there's a lot of pairs and it's not clear who Shaheen's like number one is. And I feel like he's kind of sitting in the middle of a lot of people, which is the worst position to be in. But sometimes I feel like you do need that person to go to bat for you when you're in a game with this many people left.

[00:36:20] Yeah. And you also guys mentioned like, I mean, that tribe of Shaheen, Joe, Kyle, Camilla. I mean, Joe and Joe is now tied into that Kyle, Camilla do it. There's a lot of interwoven bonds in this big group, which is why I think I kind of predict that the next few episodes might also be a little bit boring, per se,

[00:36:43] in the sense that I think if you look at the landscape, I think everyone in that group feels like they don't mind getting farther with their with this squad. And so that leaves like a Mitch and a Chrissy, I think, very on the outside. I kind of feel like Mitch and Chrissy might go the next two. Mary's under the radar enough and social in a good social spot where then people might use Mary to start going after each other. And then that gets us to like our final eight with this group.

[00:37:10] But I find it hard to imagine a world where like Mitch and Chrissy are able to like really turn these people against each other. But I don't think that that would be that hard. We have a Mary. We have a Chrissy. We have a Kyle. We have a Camilla. Like, I feel like Camilla and Kyle. Yes, Kyle is locked in. But I also feel like if Kyle were to swing the pendulum, the person that the only person that would be able to do that is Camilla.

[00:37:40] So there is a world where like and we have Star and like less the way that we've been seeing Star these last couple of episodes. Again, I'll go back to you, Jack. When we gave Star the Britchie of the Warrior, the Britchie Award, where you were like, how could you not be on the island? And not want to hang out with a star. And we see how funny she is, how charismatic. Like, I feel like there could be a coalition of...

[00:38:07] I think if the coalition form is going to stem from Kyle and Camilla finding the right time to gather some people and turn things around, I would theorize that I don't think that needs to be right away. Like, I think they can get rid of like a Chrissy and I guess like a Mitch and then scoop up Star and Camilla, Kyle, Mary, maybe Shaheen. And then you flip it on like David, Joe and Eva.

[00:38:35] Although, I mean, we've seen Star also seems pretty close to Eva and Joe and hasn't been shown too much to rock the boat in that sense. But I just, yeah, I think that's why I still maintain. I think Kyle and Camilla will find the right time to take control of this game. And I think one of them will win. But honestly, I don't think the right time to do that would be for a couple of votes. Like, knock out a couple easy ones, which is good strategy, but might be a little bit slow the next couple of weeks.

[00:39:05] My fear is that some of the people that aren't in the power alliance are just going to keep on voting with the easy votes until they get picked up. Yeah. Like, oh, it ain't me? Cool. It ain't me? Cool. I think there's enough movers. Well, what should they do? Get together, like you said. What is there? They always say to get rid of a monster, you got to suck the head of a snake. A monster.

[00:39:36] It's real, guys. Man? I'm like, what's the saying? What's a troll? Oh, oh, oh. You don't suck it. That's why I haven't been able to get rid of these snakes. Who's the head of a snake, Bryce? Who are we sucking? Well, that's... Don't end him on. Sarah, that's what my question... Hold on.

[00:40:07] I gotta go on me. You knew what you were doing. Come on now. That wasn't even a relevant segue. You just want to talk about sucking snakes. Bryce is trying to get rid of monsters every day, huh? Every day. No. No. Oh, I don't mean to crack myself up like that. No.

[00:40:36] But in order to get rid of this law, in order snake... Oh, my God. ...whose head do we need to suck is my question to get rid of the snake. You mean cut the head off of... Yes. Yeah. I mean, cut suck, whatever. Like, to break up this unit? If there is one person to get rid of... Yeah, probably Joe. Really? Yeah. I mean, Joe's cool with... Like, everybody loves Joe.

[00:41:06] He's good. He's obviously tight with Eva, but he's tight with David. Like, people respect him. He's sort of... I think if you get rid of Joe, like, I think it's hard that, like... To see that David and Eva would really be able to, like... Like, reinvigorate their games and, like, keep control. I think it could be Eva. Again, I feel like...

[00:41:35] Yes, Eva has an amazing story, right? But, like, let's be real. Eva's out here playing, and she's killing it. And she has this relationship with David. She has this relationship with Joe. We see her bridging these gaps with Star. We see her at the last Tribal Council saying, like, really? Because I was talking to everybody.

[00:41:58] Like, I feel like because of the amazingness that we saw of Eva in that episode, I feel like people are almost being like Eva and not looking at her like a player. And I think that, like, Eva really is a big dog out there. Because think about it. You... If... And I don't want Eva to go. I'm just saying when we're talking about the head of the monster, if Eva were to go,

[00:42:28] then Joe and David, like... It really does change. It frees them a bit. Yeah. It did. I mean, I think it's valid. I was thinking Joe seems a little bit more connected across the board with, like... I think it's Eva. Kyle and Camilla, too. Like, Eva, I don't... We haven't seen a ton of Eva relationships outside of her original loggy, but I don't think that's a bad... Because obviously the people she's close with, she's, like, locked in. So I don't think that's a bad take either.

[00:42:57] I mean, Joe and Eva are a really strong duo, either way. I agree. I kind of agree with Bryce. At first, I thought it was Joe just because of how connected Joe is with both of them. Very connected, right? But when you think about Eva, if you get rid of her, that kind of frees Joe. Now, it's like, right now we're looking at a Joe that... It looks like this man will sacrifice his game for... In the furtherance of her game. But if she's now gone, now it's like, you know what? Joe could just do his thing. He can...

[00:43:26] He doesn't have to, you know, protect this young woman who he's promised that he will protect anymore. He could just... He could backstab somebody. You know, he could play survivor. And I do want to be clear. Me saying Eva is a huge compliment to her in the sense that I feel like I don't hear enough people talking about her game. And yeah, like she said, she might not be able to tell when people are lying to her. Okay. But she's able to make connections. She's able to be cool.

[00:43:55] We see people like her. We see... And again, I know how the edit works. They don't show you everything. But when Eva was at that tribal council last week and she was saying, well, really? Because I'm talking to everybody. And I could see her in Chrissy. I could see her in Camilla. I could like... It's like... Again... I love Eva. And I'm like, wow, she actually might be the mastermind. And tell me this. Eva could tell Joe a name. Maybe push back.

[00:44:25] But if Eva would be like, get Wendell out now. Joe gonna get Wendell out. I don't know if I'd call her the mastermind. Not... More so like a linchpin. More so like a keystone. More so like a person that is like... Or a glue. Like a Sam. The glue. A glue. I do feel like as long as Joe and Eva are in the game together. Like they will be voting together. And two votes in one direction is always really dangerous.

[00:44:53] I also feel like with Eva too. It's like we saw the relationship with Star like completely turn around. And someone who's like not only able to build relationships. But like repair relationships is like very dangerous out there. And then it even has me thinking, where does David fall into this? Right? Like and when we're saying these pairs, like where... In his mind, I wonder like outside of chocolate milk.

[00:45:23] Because you know... Because I heard David like a little chocolate milk. And I said... I mean... Have you ever had a caramel latte? David. Okay. With the foam milk. I'm just saying my nickname in high school was cow. Cow. Because I can produce milk.

[00:45:54] Oh my God. You're unhinged today. Sorry. Sorry. This is my first time here. Oh, sorry Sarah. Because I forgot. Turn me up. I feel like to actually answer your question. I think David is good with his people. But I don't think he's like essential for anybody. And he's obviously a huge target. So I can see him. And it looks... In the teaser for next week.

[00:46:23] It looks like David might start... Step in a little bit here and there. And it looks like maybe... He might step out of line. So I'd be a little nervous... For David. Because he's obviously just a massive target. I mean, even in the challenges... You see him like... You know he's a big threat. So... And he doesn't have like a ride or die. So I worry that that's gonna make him a big option. You know in the next few votes. Maybe not like next vote.

[00:46:53] But a little bit down the line. Another segue. And on Say. Although this was her time. This episode. I wasn't mad. At how she was pivoting. Right? Like I feel like Say was... You can say what you want about Say. And how she's moved in the past. And obviously she's made her bed. And she is ultimately laying in it. However, as a last ditch effort.

[00:47:21] I was not mad. At Say having the conversations. With the people that she was... Like I felt like... When your back is against the wall. She was doing what she needed to do. Yes, but... I say yes, but... Because... When it's the ninth hour. And you're doing this politicking. Yes, scramble. Do what you gotta do. But also... When you're on an island. Have conversations with everybody every day. Like... Like...

[00:47:51] Don't... If you ask me. The advice that I always give people is like... Yo... True, true, true. I'm a... No, you're right. You're right though. Keep going. Say, I love you. But I just think that... On the island. You gotta be... You gotta be having these conversations with everybody every day. Yeah. I apologize, Say. Stay off Twitter, Wendell. Yeah. It's all crap for me. No, totally. No, I didn't think... Say did anything particularly...

[00:48:21] Bad this episode. But it was just sort of a... Analgamation of some of the past episodes. But... Riddle me this. Again, I don't know a lot about Survivor. However... If I'm out there... On Survivor... And I see that this name that is constantly being thrown around... Is a say. And everyone's like... Oh, we can't deal with her. And that was the big talk. Was that they can't have her on the jury.

[00:48:50] That was something that was interesting that I don't think in the new era we have seen this much conversation about not just sending someone home, but not putting them on the jury. That was interesting. But we get to see all this talk about why they don't want say on the jury. Is it wrong that I was thinking if I'm out there and that's what they are saying about a say, that's somebody I like to bring to the end.

[00:49:17] Because tell me that you won't vote for that person. I feel like that's where in the new era, I would put my thinking cap on and be like, how is it a way that I can maneuver to get say past this vote? Because... I see where your head's at.

[00:49:33] But I think, like, respectfully, it seems like according to the players, attaching yourself and working with say might be too difficult of a thing for them to be worth trying to drag her to the end. Not drag... Like, bring her to the end against the will of the other player. I agree. However, like I said this episode, I felt like say was in rare form.

[00:49:59] The say that I feel like from this episode, from episode two is a different say. This was a say that my back's against the wall and it's almost like a hurt animal, right? Like, you know, in the sense of like, you know, like the dog's paw is hurt and like it's normally a vicious... But if the dog's paw is hurt, it's not barking like... Anymore. It's like...

[00:50:29] But say is... I agree. I liked how she was playing this episode, but she's not going to be necessarily like that the remaining 13 days. And I don't... And I want her to be classic say because, again, it's still... Not your ally, I don't think. You don't need to broadcast that you're her ally. You could make some moves. Well, if you're the one trying to make moves now to try to set up bringing her to the end, I think inevitably you're going to be seen as...

[00:50:58] Unless you just do it so masterfully. But when so many people want her out, if you start being like, no, let's keep say around. Like, I think that's a dangerous game to play. I do think like you could have made an argument with a group to like keep her in though. And I guess like I probably have a very hot take on Say, but I think she's like one of the most entertaining players of the new era of Survivor. Like... Entertaining? Entertaining. I think also like she survived five tribal councils.

[00:51:28] She received votes every single time. And I think when you play Survivor, I feel like people... There's the methodology of like, how do I make it to the next day versus how do I make it all the way? And I think sometimes people get caught up and like don't think about the how do I make it to the next day thing, which is like Bianca's a perfect example of that where I think she was thinking too far ahead. And Say really like nailed the how can I make it to the next day part without really like the foresight. So I don't know.

[00:51:57] I mean, I think also her surviving so many tribal councils turned her into a threat in a way as well. I don't even know if it was necessarily like her gameplay at that point. But I don't know. I think if you could have convinced a group like Bryce, I definitely see your point. But I also feel like people thought she was unpredictable. So not necessarily the safest person to bring through as well. Also to your point of if...

[00:52:24] I think why people didn't want Say on the jury is a lot of people felt like, Oh, Say doesn't really like me. She's not going to vote for me. But obviously if Say feels that way about everybody that's left, then she's got to vote for somebody. But it's so it's still like, OK, you know, if I have an OK relationship with Say, it's actually not bad if she makes the jury. But that's I mean, that's kind of the problem is if so many people feel like, Oh, Say wouldn't even vote for me or she's too much of a wild card to be able to like kind of know where her vote would go on the jury.

[00:52:54] And it's like, let's just also because I'd be worried like if I was the type of person that Say doesn't like, which I am. Go ahead and say this because, oh, I'm so excited. And I would be like, oh, then I would especially be like if I was like, Oh, Say would be like an early jury member. The early jury members have a lot of like swing when more people come in in terms of influencing how they look at the game.

[00:53:17] And if Say is a Jack hater, then I would be like, I don't want Say anywhere near the jury because not only would she probably not vote for me, she would also, you know, probably work on getting other people to not vote for me. And I feel like a lot of other players in the game, based on what we've heard about their thoughts on Say and Say's thoughts on them, probably felt very similarly. Well, that is interesting that you say that, Jackery, because I too thought that.

[00:53:43] But I also thought the group of people that are left and again, I was the third boot out. So I don't know how this all works, but the people that are left on the island will be the jury, correct? Yes. Okay. And isn't this group of people that are on the island, aren't they a part of the Dig Deep, the Integrity, God, Honest, Trust, G-Galio, Joe, Me? Like, aren't they?

[00:54:12] Isn't that that group? And so what my question is, is if that is why you are thinking not to put Say on the jury, then do we have a snake in the G-Galio Trust and Integrity group? Because if this is the same group that you are with and this, they are the majority, why would you be worried about a Say swaying you? That was my question. Wait. No, no. Wait, wait, wait. That doesn't... Yes. It tracks.

[00:54:42] No. I think it'd be quick. Medium. That doesn't track at all. I'm sorry. No, no. If you're a... Like, I'm trying to think of... Like, if you're a Joe who was a part of voting Say out, and you don't have a particularly strong relationship with Say, but you've got a good relationship with your strong personal alliance, that, you know, Say probably wouldn't love a lot of strong men ganging up to work together.

[00:55:11] Wouldn't you be worried that, say, Mary and Star and Chrissy and Mitch go to the jury and Say's like, Joe's the leader of the strong guys alliance. We should never vote for him. I think that's a realistic concern. I mean, inherently, I think that is the problem of the strong and honest game when you're playing it with four people because that's not what the jury is. So I think that inherently, that's the problem with the strong integrity alliance.

[00:55:41] For sure. If you're looking at their perspective, then having a say on the jury, she's probably not going to support what they're doing. Well, and I also feel... There's a couple things. It's like, first of all, if it's only strong people at the end, she's got to pick one. Well, that's true. That's right. Right. Secondly, if it's not, how many people are in this strong alliance? Five, six, what? So half of them will be on the jury anyway. Right.

[00:56:03] Either way, it's like either they will lobby for this strong person at the end, maybe or maybe not, or she only has them to pick from. Yeah. Well, this also goes back to what Bryce was saying. He's like, say does have to pick somebody. So that you should be a little bit less worried about her than maybe they were.

[00:56:24] But at the same time, if you feel like say is someone who's not going to support you at the end of the game, which I would reckon that most of the remaining players feel that way. That say is not going to want to vote for them at the end. And maybe there is a situation where she has to. But like just them having that feeling, I think it's very valid for them to be like, I'd rather just not want her on the jury. I don't want her to like taint any of the jury members' perspectives.

[00:56:49] Well, then wouldn't that make you want to then maybe change your outlook on how you treat her for the remainder or how you bring her in or how you send her off? Well, if she's not going on the jury. Well, I mean, okay, right then, right. But again, I'm just, yeah. What's your thoughts there? Also, like someone like say on the jury. So say you have this strong integrity alliance and one of them votes out another person.

[00:57:15] And wouldn't you think that if you have an alliance based on integrity and you get backstabbed that that person is not going to vote for you at the end? If you were, you had this front of being loyal and whatnot. Like to me, that seems like a higher risk than someone like say who is in a position where she has to vote for someone who she didn't really have the loyalties to. So wouldn't she be able to be more objective as opposed to feeling bitter? But they also haven't. Okay.

[00:57:42] Like I think we could all most people would agree. Say is probably going to be a little bring it her subjectiveness into a jury. I don't agree. As long as Cedric ain't at the end, I think say can be objective. But but you're like the theory that I mean, I think that's a very relevant thing. But the the a lot of the strong lines hasn't shown a desire to backstab each other.

[00:58:07] So if I'm truly loyal to my crew, then it's not on my mind of like when I backstab them, they're not going to vote for you because I'm not thinking about backstabbing them. It seems like to them, their ideal world is to get down to like the five and then play it out and then probably want to be bitter. Maybe they would. I mean, I don't know. I also feel like that really like I feel like the only two people that really feel like that are Eva and Joe. I feel like if David is a part of this alliance, I don't know.

[00:58:33] I don't think if David is a part of this alliance and he makes it because, you know, David is solid. But you're telling me if if Joe and Eva stabbed David in the back. I think he would be pissed. Yeah. He's the same as Joe and Eva in that sense. No, but what what I am saying is sorry, let me. I started thinking about David and I started thinking about one, two, three, four nipples and I was just all over the place.

[00:58:57] What I am saying is I think the only people in the strong alliance, if they were backstabbed, that would still vote, vote, vote are Joe and Eva. They would still vote for each other. What I'm saying is outside of that. Right. I think that if it's Joe, Eva and David and Shaheen and at the end, Shaheen or David is backstabbed.

[00:59:24] I don't know how likely they would be to vote for still vote strong and integrity is what I'm saying. But I still think they would vote for who they believe played the best game. I don't know if they would be better. Like, I don't think Shaheen would get backstabbed and then be like, I'm going to throw my vote on someone who I don't think is the most deserving winner. I like I don't I just I don't feel like it's every player in this game seems to have felt like they did not want say on the jury for a reason.

[00:59:51] And so all I'm saying is, like, these are potentially the reasons that they wouldn't want her on the jury. I don't feel like that's a crazy take. Like, if you don't feel like say is someone who's going to want to vote for you at the end, even if you find yourself in a situation where maybe she has to, then it makes sense to not want her on the jury. I think that's very reasonable. Here's another question. We can't do a podcast, Sarah, without bringing up James Jones. And James Jones is always of the theory that.

[01:00:19] You're busy managing jury votes instead of managing getting yourself to the end. And like what Sarah was saying, like the foresight, is it like you're looking at the forest before the tree? Like you're looking at the deep before the throat? Like you're looking at what needs. I just nodded like, yeah. Something ain't right with you, Bryce. This man is.

[01:00:49] Oh, my God. You want the whistle of that? No, I'm not. But is that not the same foresight that Sarah was talking about, about getting to the end, though? Oh, I think that's a valid conversation where if I felt like that keeping say was a better move for these people and them getting her out just because they don't want her under the jury. I think that would be bad. But I think it's totally fine that they like it's hard to weigh between say and between Mitch.

[01:01:18] But I see I absolutely see the reasons to keep Mitch in the game at this point for that group. Like, yeah. So in that sense, now, if it was like, do we make a massive shot on a huge threat who has like completely unattached from all of their allies in this split tribe? Or do we just take out say because we don't want her on the jury? Well, it's like then you should be taking the shot that you know you need to take. But if it's just like, do we vote out say or do we vote out Mitch? Like, like Mitch is it? Mitch, like Mitch isn't.

[01:01:48] Like Mitch is a threat in general, but I don't think he's that much of a threat in all the season. He's been out of the vote recently. So Mitch is definitely a threat, though, just because he isn't necessarily in the strong and integrity alliance. But he is somebody out there that like that is strong and that can oppose it. And he caught on to him being a threat. And once people catch on to you being a threat, it kind of makes you less of a threat.

[01:02:16] And he's been out of the loop the last couple of votes. So I think Mitch is someone that like a Joe could actually reel in. And so that's why I think it makes sense for them to keep him around over say say is very unpredictable. You don't know who she wants to work with. I think. Go ahead, Sarah. Sorry. I think also like part of it is I feel like unfortunately for say it just felt like an obvious vote for everyone. And I think in Survivor, there's two votes that people are three, I guess.

[01:02:45] No one wants to be the first out and no one wants to be the person booted before before the jury. So I think that probably had people a little bit scared and gave say a little bit less wiggle room in the way that people would probably not want to make a big move at this point in the game. No one wants to mess up a mystery by one person. So was it a cop out to say, oh, we don't want say on the jury? I think a little bit. Yeah, it's true. And it's real. And again, I'm not fighting you, Jack.

[01:03:14] I think they did make the wrong like they did make the right decision and like keeping them strong. But I always like like to push back. Yeah, I also think Mitch using his block of or pledging to use it made a lot of sense because now it's an opportunity to take out say without any risk. And if you're like a Joe and an Eva, you know, Mitch is going to use the block vote. Well, now you don't have to worry about like what star is going to do or what or not star.

[01:03:42] Whoever else is in the star when their group is Chrissy. Chrissy, Chrissy and star. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Now you don't have to worry as much about what they're going to do because you then it's if the vote is blocked, it's at worst going to be three, two. So like Sarah said, yeah, it's a safe move. There's not even the risk of the shot in the dark. And you kind of just take out someone who's because also to your earlier point, Bryce, like if say gets to this vote and is she is on the jury. Now people might not be worried about that.

[01:04:09] Now they might start looking at her as someone that you can take the final three and beat. And for someone like a Joe and an Eva, I think that's actually a dangerous element to have in the game because it doesn't seem like they want her there, but other people might. Can we pivot another topic? Two things I want to talk about. I do want to talk about Godfather said, but before Godfather said in our winter predictions. Right. Can we talk about Mother Mary?

[01:04:37] Because Mother Mary, in my opinion, from just a viewer, she's in one hell of a position. And I mean that by being really good. One, she is the only member of her tribe left now and which can be put you at an advantageous position, but also can put you at a position to like win. And also the fact that she was just able to shed that green like that and assimilate in with these other people.

[01:05:06] Like, I think there is something to Mother Mary. And I, I'm just looking at, I mean, I've always been a Mother Mary's missionary, but I just think for her to like, we saw the kumbaya that she made with say and said, but then really was like, get these out of here. Get these, I'm done. And like the fact that she's just working with people. It's not like you don't eat. It's just the way that she's in with them.

[01:05:34] It's almost like she's with her original tribe. And I think that that is scary in a good way. Cause it's like, I love to see a Mary take a shot. Oh, from Philadelphia. Okay. We got the Eagles already. We could use another chip. We haven't had a Philly winter ever. So it's like really great. If Mary could do it. I wish we had a confessional for Mary. Cause I agree with everything you're saying, but I also don't really like, who is she with, you know?

[01:06:03] And it's, it's sort of a difficult that there's this, this emphasis on like the big, uh, like the big integrity, loyalty, like, uh, beasts. Alliance. I don't want to say the strong allows is Mary, obviously highly athletic. Uh, but like, I think she positioned herself. Great. I'm just worried that she's not going to have a ton of options.

[01:06:25] Like, I just don't know who, I think she's going to be able to stay under the radar and then get through some votes and then maybe have an opportunity to navigate once things kind of turn on each other. And that's what I'm hoping happens for Mary. But right now I think her best move is to continue laying low and hopefully an opportunity presents itself. But we know Mary doesn't lay low though. Right? Like we know like if Mary lay low, she's low lately and it was just been really, but she cooking, but she's like, it's not like Mary's not going to lay down. There's a difference between laying low and laying down.

[01:06:55] Laying low. She's, she's staying under the radar, building connections and like letting the things occur around her and finding her position and staying off. I'm not laying down. It's completely different. Okay. But I don't even like laying low. I want to say Mary crawling. She's like a snake right now. Right? I said, and she's waiting for her opportunity. She's slithering through the grass, waiting for her opportunity to strike. And hopefully nobody wants to suck that head off the tree.

[01:07:22] I think Mary's the kind of person that will lay low and slither until she sees this fallout that from, from the big alliance. Or, or if she doesn't see that, that will get with the, uh, the, I guess the loose ends kind of, and try to make a move. Yeah. She, if she sees it going in a particular direction. Agreed.

[01:07:49] Um, before we get into the, the Cedric Shaheen sort of side of things, because we were talking a little bit about jury management. And I have a question related to the challenge that I wanted to throw out to you guys. And it's not, I'm not, this isn't me saying that I think this is right or wrong. It's just more of a, an idea I want to throw out that no one seems to have considered of in this challenge. Right. We, we, we, we know, we all know how it works.

[01:08:13] Like the final, final person, their tribe wins reward, but they're the person they vote out also goes to the jury. The, the, the other group, you know, they don't reward, but they don't have to deal with the jury. Is there a world where say you are like Joe versus David, is there a world where you want to intentionally lose at that point? Because sure.

[01:08:39] You're not going to get reward, but now the person you vote off might not be on the jury. What, because I'm thinking, you know, the person you vote off, they might be mad at you. And if they're the first member of the jury, they could have a lot of influence on more people coming in. And if they're mad at you because you blindside them or whatever, it might just be better to just the person you vote out has no part of it. And if you lose, say, say Joe intentionally loses to David one-on-one.

[01:09:07] Now David's also going to look like a little bit stronger than Joe. And maybe that's good for keeping your threat level balanced because you're safe either way. Right. So basically is there a purpose in losing intentionally giving up the reward, but making sure that the person you vote out is not on the jury? I hear what you're saying. I just think there are too many factors at play. Yeah. And the person that they want and not on the jury is not on the jury. It's like, first and foremost, I want to eat. And I want, like, whoa.

[01:09:36] Bryce, relax. We're just naked. No, you're on Survivor Starving. Like, I'm going to do everything I can. And you got the two biggest dudes out there. They want to, whoa. Again. One-handed is wild. Okay. One-handed is wild. They're having, like, a strength competition right now. Like, they want to prove it to everyone.

[01:10:02] So, yeah, Jack, I think there might be a world where it's like, ah, I definitely want to get someone out. But first and foremost, you want to eat and you want to win your immunity. Yeah, no, I think that's reasonable. And also, I guess, even if you intentionally, you don't necessarily know who's going to be on the jury or not be on the jury. So you could lose a close ally and then they're not on the jury, like, technically.

[01:10:25] Yeah, I feel like unless it was a super obvious vote, like, who in your group is going to go home and then everyone doesn't want that person on the jury for a specific reason, then that would make sense. But the groups are also assigned, like, right before the challenge. So I feel like that's hard to, it feels like a big risk. I mean, it did sort of unintentionally work out that way with, you know, when Eva didn't want Say on the jury and now she's not.

[01:10:48] But not to say if they did that intentionally or not, but I think I tend to agree. It's like there's a lot to manage. Like, you don't necessarily, especially when you're starving, you're not going to be like, oh, let me make sure Say is not on the jury. Like, it's a little bit too complicated. It's like, let me make sure I'm getting the food in my belly. Like, yeah. Also, who doesn't want to win, like, a challenge for a group of people so everyone can eat as well? I feel like that makes you look like a hero.

[01:11:16] It makes you look like a hero, but it does, I feel like, illuminate your threat level even more because then that's an even more reason that they like, damn, Sarah, Sarah fed us. She like, we would want to vote for her. So, again, trying to see the woods before the forest, like, yeah, you're right. But also, at the same time, that's something that you can then say on your resume. Yeah, I mean, David definitely looks more like a challenge beast than Joe right now just because he won that face off.

[01:11:44] I mean, obviously, they're both big physical threats, but I think that's... But I feel like everyone knows he knew he was a threat whether he won that or not. But, like, you know what I mean? But also, in Survivor, it's like, all the challenges will not look like this. And this might be the one challenge that caters to these big, strong people. But wait until y'all are hanging on a pole or until y'all are doing some balance. Sorry, y'all talk about big, strong people. Sorry.

[01:12:14] How? What? It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Is that hanging on a pole? No. Skirtless? Oh. How many times did you watch the challenge, Bryce? Enough. It's on loop. It's all repeat.

[01:12:44] I only watched it once because he paused it on that one frame and I haven't changed it since. I had to change the britches. But, okay, Setti. I want to talk about Cedric. I didn't see this coming. I thought Godfather Ced had a really good shot. But I'd just love to know y'all thoughts. Was, say, the downfall of Uncle Setti?

[01:13:12] Should he have gone with his original initial takeout with Justin? Would that be different? I'm curious. Like, and again, maybe y'all can help me. What were the determining factors? Like, what were some of the people saying as to why they wanted, like, why Setti should go? It just seemed like Cedric was, especially in this group, very unconnected, I feel like. Mary was there?

[01:13:42] But they weren't working together. Like, had they ever worked together? Yes. Mary wasn't going to stick her neck out. I mean, in a group of, like, Kyle, David, and Camilla, who we kind of know are going to stick together. Cedric just doesn't have a ton of options. I think that group likes Mary. And so then it boils down to Shaheen and Cedric. And even though Shaheen's maybe more of a target, I think he's got more inroads.

[01:14:06] Like, Cedric right now, and again, I think, not to toot my own horn, I think some of my takes on Cedric's decisions age kind of well here. Because I think if Cedric had a Justin in the game or a Bianca in the game, he could have had those connections and maybe used those to build more connections. But instead, by keeping Stay around, he's sort of attached to this tribe pariah. And he just doesn't have a lot.

[01:14:31] And in that last vote where he, like, tried to connect, or last pre-merge vote, when he maybe connected a little bit with, like, Chrissy and Mitch, or made that move with Chrissy, it's like, going into a merge, I don't think, Hitching, like, respectfully, I don't think Chrissy's going to be, like, the number one facilitator for your game. So, yeah, I think, Bryce, kind of like what you said, and Cedric at this point just, I mean, partly through no fault of his own because of just how many tribals he had to go to and how many allies he sort of had to vote out.

[01:14:59] So, Cedric just doesn't have the connections right now that the other people do. And again, like, this is just sort of a vote where people want to keep it pretty simple, especially this, like, big dominant alliance wants to keep it simple. So he's just, like, the least connected one, I would say. I think Cedric would have survived if it wasn't a split tribal. I think someone would have found a way to use his vote. I think it was just unfortunate that he was, like, so on the outs with this group of six that he was in.

[01:15:31] Because I, again, like, even I was like, oh, this vote makes sense, but I don't know why it makes sense when I'm watching it. Like, I don't know. Sometimes with the split tribal, it's like, you might just be in the wrong number. Like, I feel like that almost happened to Shaheen. Like, I think Shaheen's not in that spot. And it was almost just like, oh, well, Shaheen's a target and his people aren't here. Let's get him out. If that can happen. Cedric was like, Cedric's sort of a target and he has, like, no, doesn't really have any people. I mean, I guess maybe he had, like, Star on the other side somewhat.

[01:16:00] They bonded last week, but. I think, I ultimately think it was his connection with Say. I also think that we know that Say and Mary allegedly to Say they made up. But we know that Mary wanted no parts. And I think that Cedric had demonstrated enough to Mary that, like, he's going to rock with a Say. And I think that Mary might have been the ultimate nail in his coffin. Because I feel like if Mary would have potentially stuck her neck out, something could have, would have happened.

[01:16:30] I don't know. But it sucks that Uncle Ceddy is gone because I think that he was great. I think that we haven't seen in the new era a player like Uncle Ceddy. I think that he really kind of, he, in my opinion, utilized, and I say this with love, his social game. Why would that not be in love? Because his physical game is looking like Jack's eye.

[01:16:58] But we love Uncle Ceddy. And I'm happy that he at least was able to make the merge. The merge. Yeah. And he's on, not the merge, but he was able to make the jewelry. And let's also just call a thing a thing. In my humble opinion, it's not a merge if I don't make the jewelry.

[01:17:26] So don't give me three episodes of merge and then it's three people go home and only one person makes the jewelry. I said what I said, period. You a little hype over there, Bryce. Yeah, because that is pissed me off. Like, first of all, I only was third out. I wasn't playing the win. I wasn't playing the win. All I wanted to do, Sarah, was to make the merge. I wanted, like, that's all I wanted to do was make the merge.

[01:17:55] That's like, I was like, if I can get to that pinnacle, I'm good. And in those days, if you made the merge, you made the jewelry. I don't like this new twist. Listen, if we go on that. I always know. Just there's been seasons in the past where you make the merge and you don't make the jury. But I don't know. I don't know that I disagree with you. I kind of agree. But sometimes there is. If you haven't played Survivor, I'm going to need you to be quiet on this one real quick. Okay.

[01:18:21] But there's been seasons where they merge it because sometimes they merge at 10 and it's a final two or whatever. And so. When was the last time we had a final two? Like season. No. Thank you. I think it was 28. The season 35, they merged. And then the first merge boot wasn't on the jury. Oh. Well, a few. Wait, I'm sorry. Wait, I'm sorry. Sarah said a very interesting thing.

[01:18:51] I'm say that again. Season 35, there was the first what? The first merge boot wasn't on the jury. No, because there's a discrepancy on this podcast, Sarah, that it's the merge boot. No, baby. It's the first merge boot. Thank you, Sarah Wilson. Well, everything's tight. I mean, I guess maybe it's a little redundant. But the first merge boot. Yeah, that sounds right. Yes. Especially for Ghost. I mean, especially for Winners at War. But here's my thing.

[01:19:20] I think Coghain was the last final two. Unrelated to this conversation. I didn't see that season. But I'm just saying, me as a fan, they got that survivor 50 vote. They're asking the wrong questions. This should be a question that we, the fans, should vote for. Yeah. I also like 50. About 50? About 50. When we merge, should that jury start thin? Yes.

[01:19:49] No, just because we've been, I'll push back on that a little bit. Just because, like, if charity made the jury. Now, I'm all for the, like, players making the jury and more players making the jury. Like, I think Say deserves to be on the jury. But, like, a charity making the jury. It's like, if I wasn't on charity starting tribe, I knew charity for, what, 12 hours? So, I don't know.

[01:20:15] I know, but it doesn't feel as, like, for someone to immediately, like, if they haven't had time to get to know each other, charity is going to go to the jury not really knowing much about a lot of the players left in the game. And I think that makes her an uninformed jury. Well, no, that doesn't. That's the point of the jury. You sit at tribal council. You learn what happens. Also, I'm also not saying we don't need to merge. Like, they could have gone to two more tribals. That's what I'm saying.

[01:20:42] All I'm saying is do more tribals. I mean, this has been better than it was earlier in the new era because it would be, like, the weird mergatory where half the tribes are safe. And then they would split up into two groups. And then the first vote that was actually, like, a proper merge vote would be, like, the final 10. And then they'd do, like, the final nine when, like, three people didn't have votes. So, I'm just glad we had, like, a regular, like, merge vote with charity at least.

[01:21:13] I'm just saying. I could do without, I mean, I could do without the split tribals, too, I'll be honest. I feel like as someone who didn't make the jury, I think doing a split tribal where the first group that goes, that person doesn't make the jury is just cruel. Like, I don't agree with it. I think it's messed up, honestly. Like, why should that person not make it? And the person who gets voted out an hour later make it. True. And obviously them being voted out, like, that was entirely dependent on, like, Joe versus David.

[01:21:40] It had nothing to do with, like, Say or Cedric doing anything. Yeah. And that's, like, the dependent on the rock draw at that point. Like, I think people go through so much to be on Survivor and being on the jury is such a key part. And maybe that's where I, like, just need to be a little bit more heartless. But I think it's, like, really. The only thing is with a final three, you can't have a, you can't start the jury at 12 because it would be a nine-person jury. The jury theoretically could be three, three, three vote. And then there's no tiebreaker.

[01:22:08] I know that's, like, that's the reason they don't do it. But it's, like, it could happen. Yeah. That's the reason they don't do it. But you could start it at, like, 13 when Charity went on when she could be the start of the jury. But, um... Yeah. It's the same reason, like, when they used to merge at, like, 12 and it's a final two. That's the jury wouldn't start until 11 because if it's 12 and a final two, it could be, like, a 5-5 jury vote. And then there's no... They have to have a tiebreaker. Just my thoughts. I don't know much.

[01:22:37] But that's obviously, like, generally unrelated to wanting the jury to, like, start sooner or whatever. Like, that's super valid. Yeah. Or, again, I'm not mad till you dwindle the tribes down. And then you switch to two tribes. Then you... Then when you... Like, that's what I like. I miss when one tribe would just be absorbed into another tribe. Then it'd be two tribes. And, you know, two people go home. Then we merge. And then something like that. But I'm with Sarah. Like, when we merge, we merge.

[01:23:06] I think, okay, they're making it a little more heartless because it's the new era. It's 13 less days. All right, let's find other ways to, like, make it a little more heartless. What, like a double elimination on day three? Yikes. I feel you. Well, needless to say, I definitely think that we're fully merged.

[01:23:35] We've got a jury member. And now I think the second half of the game will probably start within the next two episodes. Yep. Well, I think we're going to see a couple easy votes and then we'll see the second half of the game. And the two episodes left? Maybe. Maybe. Okay.

[01:24:02] But regardless, I still think that this, we have the makings of still a great season. I'm sure Sarah would agree with me that say what you want. But the pre-merges are the best part of most seasons. And if this pre-merge is any indication as to how this season will end, we're in store for a good season because we have some pretty great pre-mergers. And shout out to all the pre-mergers. We see you.

[01:24:32] You matter. Yeah, honestly, one of the best group of pre-mergers, I think, in like Survivor history. I want to be friends with every single one of them. Please be my friend. They're amazing. Shout out to Kevin. Shout out to Bianca. Shout out to Wendell. Do you have any Britchie awards this week, Bryce? I don't know if I have any Britchie awards. I do have some nominations.

[01:25:01] I think I'll go out on a limb. And if I were on fire, I trust and believe that Chrissy would put me out. I think Chrissy at Tribal, although it might not have been good for her game, me as a viewer, I'm like, you're saying what I want you to say. And so for that, that is worth a Britchie nomination. Yeah, I kind of, I don't have a Britchie nominee.

[01:25:30] I don't know if anyone was Britchtacular this episode in that sense, but I would disagree with the Chrissy nominee, but, you know, it's the Britchie. So, so we, as long as you don't, you know, give the Britchie, you know, I think it's. Well then, I guess. Oh. Oh. The Britchie award. Oh. Cannot be given out on a day like today.

[01:25:58] I am screaming. So I will fold these Britchies back up. I am screaming. Wow. Okay. And for the audio listeners, Wendell has held up a pair of, I don't, I don't, teal underpants. The, the, the waistband says the Britchie award in pink and it has Bryce's face all over it. I don't know what this fingerprint is.

[01:26:27] I don't know what this fingerprint is. It just came on. Okay. Why is it on the crash? Maybe I edited it. That's right. It's like somebody's fingerprints. Okay. Okay. And so this just proves that while y'all think Wendell is asleep during the podcast. He's putting in a Britchie order. He is creating a Britchie award. That's awesome. The first.

[01:26:55] I'm excited to watch this Britchie recipient or the next Britchie recipient to get to try those on. Well, I mean, now that I see what the Britchie award is, I might actually have a recipient, but. You can have them, Bryce. I'm giving them to you. You and these Britchies out. Sarah, we thank you so much for coming on and joining Survivor News. How, how was the first ride on Survivor News? I mean, it was exciting.

[01:27:24] A little bit wetter than I thought it was. But nonetheless, thank you guys for having me. And it was super fun to talk about the game. And I'm really excited to see how the season plays out and see which one of us is correct about the predictions. So should be good. We will see. Well, Sarah, thank you so much. Jack, it's always a pleasure. Hit them one and twos. Wendeezy, we will see you soon with the Britchie awards.

[01:27:52] And don't forget, Bryce and Wendell is heading to Austin, Texas. Tickets are available. Go to the website, brysonwend.com and get your tickets. We'll see you next week. We're out.

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