Omar Zaheer recaps Survivor 47 Premiere

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[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Survivor 47, what a night! So much to talk about, can you believe it? And I'm so thrilled to be here

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_05]: live with the great Omer Zahir. Omer, how are you?

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm doing great and it's not just a fucking stick anymore, it's a fucking podcast.

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[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Tonight, one small step for podcasters, one giant leap for podcasters and really,

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_05]: tonight was to live by the podcast to die by the podcast.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know all those Facebook people are going to be up in arms,

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_04]: look at all these podcasters now.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_04]: How many podcasters are there?

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and lady pilots, there's so many of those too.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, when do they let ladies fly planes too?

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_05]: All right, but yeah, a lot to get to tonight. We'll talk about it all from

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_05]: the amazing debut of our own Asia Welch to a tough night for baby Andy and of course

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_05]: a surprise first boot, a grenade for me as Jon Lovett becomes the first player voted out of the

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I will speak with Jon Lovett coming up tomorrow morning, 11am eastern time as part of our big

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Thursday of Survivor coverage.

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[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Does Stephen think that you know Survivor?

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_04]: The way it looks.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_04]: We know it all.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we do know it all and honestly, also is there going to be podcaster rivalry when you

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: talk to Jon or is he going to get a lot of pressure on him thinking you're Boston Robb?

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we'll find out tomorrow. I don't think that there's going to be any sort of a rivalry

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_05]: and I do think that their podcast may have more reach and also may have pulled off bigger moves

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_05]: in this last year than anything my podcast has done, but we can talk about that.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_04]: But you know what? More people on Facebook probably watch your podcast,

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_04]: so you have that going for you.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Certainly among the sample size of 18 people on Survivor, more people listen to RHAP.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_04]: This is true. And you know what? I think so. I put this out on Twitter and people are

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_04]: disagreeing with me. I felt this was the best premiere since Survivor CoWrong, in my opinion.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, interesting. So I mean, has there been a benchmark? We know Gabe wanted to be on the

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Mount Rushmore of the new era. So is there a Mount Rushmore premiere of the new era?

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, because as Stephen said on Twitter tonight, Roxray is already

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_04]: on the Mount Rushmore. Gabe, you're not the first one. It is the man of the Roxray.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_04]: But I do think that this is easily the best new era premiere, best since CoWrong. And you know

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_04]: what I think I liked about it was that there was a lot of messiness. I like that and a lot of

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_04]: strategy. And I mean, there was maybe too much advantage stuff, but it was different. It was new.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And the way that Jerome was going about it or Rome, I should say, was wild. That was like

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_05]: what Jacob Derwin wanted to do, you know? Yeah. Yeah. OK, so so much to break down. I want to go

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_05]: through all of it, but let's start off the festivities tonight talking about the Gatta

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_05]: tribe. And it really looked very bad for Andy tonight to the point where it looked like that

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Andy was not doing well. It seemed like that this was maybe going to be a look like maybe we could

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_05]: have seen a evacuation before we even got to the challenge, to the point where then OK, then he

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_05]: stepped out of the challenge. Medical came in. Then he ends up going back into the game after a,

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_05]: you know. Wild outburst on the map. Yeah, I mean, Andy, firstly, love you, Andy.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_04]: You said that you play like me and you did. And I love I love everything you did.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Wild. How is this like you? This was like you playing goose goose duck.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Not on Survivor. That's exactly what I meant. Yeah. But he you know what? I think that the

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_04]: the interesting thing about this is that, you know, we all listen to all the well,

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I listened to some of the pregame coverage. A lot of people out there.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Andy went very quickly in the draft. Yeah. Very eligible guy. And it just shows you that,

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_04]: just because you know everything about the show or how you present before,

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_04]: it's very different when you get into the game because it's so intense.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Hey, that you want. There's an adjustment period. But is there a potential for a growth arc

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: like a Kathy? Yeah. Stephen mentioned it on Twitter that he cited a Holly Hoffman. Yeah.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Like this, this initial period, like the shock of being out there, I think will,

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, and it was almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Like he was trying to,

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, get voted out to like, I don't know, like it almost seemed like

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_04]: he was Sabbath self-sabotaging in a way. But now that the worst case scenario didn't play out,

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe there's room for him to move upwards and there's still an idol out there on Gata Beach. So

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_04]: there's a way forward for him if he can pick up the piece.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. There are certainly options. And, you know, better robs than me have been forced to

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_05]: recognize like, Hey, this game's getting the best of me. You know, and sometimes you look,

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_04]: who amongst us hasn't had a bit of the crybaby itis? Yes. And you know what? This is the summer

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_04]: of mess because this was a very Angela. Oh, I'm so glad you brought this up because I,

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_05]: so this morning I had posted a video. I've been going live in the Robbins podcast, patron

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Facebook group in the morning when I have coffee and just a last couple of days. And you posted

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_05]: in there about how you wanted to come on here and talk about Angela. And I watched this episode

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_05]: tonight as like, wow, for Andy to go through all this and then to survive it really almost

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_05]: to be sitting there on the block and to have the power of veto used on him to save him,

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_05]: to take him down after an outburst. Not unlike this low budget production of a tribe

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_05]: with your crazy eyes looking at me. Yeah. Could Andy be on like a, be at the center of all the

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: drama and somehow navigate it? He just wants to have a good time for the rest of the time he's

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_04]: there except for Rachel. Don't talk to him, but I think I'm here on Survivor freaking 47.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, but we, I mean, I loved it. And I think that the thing is,

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was kind of a mistake to be honest for them to not vote out Andy there because he can

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_04]: only like, he's not integrated enough within them. He survived. And now if he gets his bearings and

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_04]: all of the shock factor and like the high intensity kind of adrenaline surge of starting

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_04]: the game wears off and he can really play from what he knows, I think that they could be in

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_04]: trouble and they may regret that. Whereas I think John would have been easier to work with longer

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_04]: term. Although with him trying to turn things on Anika, I get why they did it. But do you think

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_04]: it was a mistake or not? I have it on good authority that Survivor 42's Maryann also

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_05]: thinks it was a mistake. A big mistake. Big mistake. Okay. So when we're talking about

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_05]: these mistakes, a mistake from whose perspective? From the entire tribe to vote out Andy instead of

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_05]: John. I'm sorry, John instead of Andy. Yes. You know, it's so interesting because I think that

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_05]: just to bring John into this a little bit more, I really felt like coming away from this, like

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I did not come away with really any big mistakes to say of Q that John made in this episode.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I thought that John actually played very well. I think that you could certainly argue

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_05]: John was not even one of the three worst players tonight in the game. And I wonder if it's

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_05]: possible that, you know, was there anything that John could have done differently? I mean,

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_05]: that did John not agreeing to go with the women, the plan that Rachel and Anika said,

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_05]: okay, we're going to tell Andy you're the decoy. Was it was him resisting that

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_05]: part of the problem that he went home or was John going home no matter what?

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. I mean, I guess I see that as a kind of a misstep by John based on what we saw,

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_04]: but from his perspective too, if everybody's telling him something, it doesn't feel quite right.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Then do you just go home quietly or do you try something new? And so I kind of get where he's

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_04]: coming from. Although I do think maybe the way he should have leaned into it was getting Andy

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_04]: to kind of bury himself a bit further or going against Andy. Yeah. So this is a really good

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_05]: question of like, Oh, should the, was the correct move for John instead of, okay, I'm going to

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_05]: rehabilitate Andy. Okay. We're going to turn this into a move while everybody's thinking, Andy,

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_05]: we do so we, we zag should he have worked on just like, okay. Get, get the plunger, like Andy out

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_05]: of here. He has to go. This guy's a loose can and he's a liability because you know, I I've seen

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_05]: other times when John is feeling like a guy's on the ropes, like he's like, Hey everybody,

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_05]: this is the time we got to move. Get this guy out of here. I agree. And I think that the thing is,

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_04]: especially when Andy came up to him, it was kind of funny when he was like, I was never going to

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_04]: throw you under the bus after saying that he would. But I think at that moment, you know,

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_04]: you can lean into the, into the term when you kind of go off road on the road, you're supposed to

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_04]: go into the curve, not lean away. And I think that that could have helped him escape the

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_04]: chopping block. But you know, I get where he's coming from. He wants it to be a glorious,

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_04]: perfect first episode. He doesn't want to go down like no punk as Liz would say.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But it just did not work out. I do think though, interestingly, I picked up on some

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_04]: vibes preseason that John was very I don't know. He just came across like he wasn't fully

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_04]: comfortable being there and he didn't seem like he was acting like himself.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And I do see a lot of that. Like it's almost seems like he was kind of lost. And I saw a

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_04]: lot of that in someone like Mariah, um, from season 42. Like when you talk to her

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_04]: outside of the game or after the game, she's like such a different person than she was in the game.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And, and she told me afterwards, like in the game, she felt a little bit lost. She wasn't sure

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_04]: why she got cast. Was it because of her story and not because of her? And it was because of her,

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_04]: but she didn't see that and she didn't feel comfortable. So I think someone like John and

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Mariah would benefit from being in the game longer so that they can be more themselves.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_04]: But something to me felt off about his vibes going into the game.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Going back to John in the preseason and John is a comedian and he's used to being very

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_05]: funny. I noticed in his interview with Mike in the preseason, like he seemed very serious

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_05]: and he was very like, uh, like, and again, like, uh, I think he, I don't want to say he wasn't

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_05]: taking the, uh, the assignment seriously, but I think that as somebody who's not really in this

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_05]: world where, you know, all of the people who have like listened to the other pregame experiences,

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like they know a lot about how to game the pregame of like, okay, the game starts before the

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_05]: actual game starts. I wonder if he had just gotten off on the wrong foot with people.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. It just seemed like he was very inside of his own head and that seemed to kind of play out

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_04]: because he seemed very insecure with the people around him as well. Not as openly as Andy,

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_04]: of course, in front of everybody. But I think when you have that sort of mental blockade that

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_04]: you're not connecting with people, then you won't connect with people. It's, it is like a self

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_04]: fulfilling prophecy in its own way. It's, um, I think it's also like when people lie about their

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_04]: jobs and stuff like that. Like it's hard to then actually when I'm on the subject of that,

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_04]: it did remind me that I wanted to talk to you about something that I don't want to forget

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_04]: about Gabe's pregame strategy. Now that we're talking about John's pregame strategy.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Here, you want to come back to that? You want to come back to that? We can come back to that later.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_05]: We were talking about Gabe. I promise I'll remember. And the chat won't let me forget either.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I just, uh, I, cause like imagine like Andy didn't have this issue at the, like,

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_05]: let's just say Gata went to tribal council. Andy does not have, uh, that moment on the mat.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, like it's, I mean, it feels like that this was coming for a five, uh, five, one vote

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_04]: for John, no matter what. Yeah, it does seem like that. And I think the, um, like that almost gave

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_04]: him new life in the game. And I think that that's where it was a struggle for Andy to kind of see

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_04]: that and trust in himself. And I think that I felt, I felt like watching Andy was actually

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_04]: very compelling. And I think that that is why survivors still so interesting. Like,

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like we haven't seen anything quite exactly like that and it's been 47 seasons,

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_04]: like that's still so engaging. And so I think that's part of the reason I enjoyed the premier

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_04]: so much, not at Andy's expense, but rather to explore human emotion and the way the game can

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_04]: affect people. Um, and I thought that that was very interesting as it was very nice that he

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_04]: shared that vulnerable side, but definitely I think if he had kind of taken a step back and

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_04]: whether you think you're in trouble or not, don't let people know that you think you're in trouble.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that if he had kind of stepped back, it would have been clear that John would have

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_05]: probably been on his way out regardless. Yeah. It seemed like that it was not a situation that

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Andy had the correct read on at all. It did not seem like that he was on the outs at all. He'd

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_05]: seem like that he had something good going on with John and with Rachel. And then, uh, when he

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_05]: got very much in his own head that he just was going on this downward spiral, which ultimately

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_05]: leads to that, uh, when he steps out of the challenge, uh, and you have that combination

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_05]: of like, he's in his head and then he's super fatigued and dehydrated. I thought Jeff was so

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_05]: good during that. And Jeff was like, oh, he went right from being like, he was super spicy, Jeff,

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. Uh, disaster, worst, worst challenge ever. This is horrible. I'm embarrassed for you. You

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_05]: want it to be on survivor. You got it. And then it goes right to like when Andy is, is out and he's,

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_05]: he's like very good with, with Andy in that spot. And Andy is like, uh, I was going to go,

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I was getting voted out. Jeff's like, you know, you're still in the game. You're still in the

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_04]: hang in there. I also think it was one thing for like Andy to have that moment kind of with Jeff

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_04]: off to the side where nobody knew. But the really wild thing was at the mat chat where they brought

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_04]: that totally alive and then, and it's like volunteering more and more information that,

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_04]: um, was all internal, but it just, I mean, he, Andy's a very smart guy and I met him. He's very

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_04]: charming. And so obviously that's like a combination of fatigue and anxiety all coming to a head.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that, um, I think Jeff did a really good job pulling that out. And I think that they

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_04]: really liked having, uh, the other two tribes being there was so wild as well. Like I couldn't

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_04]: even imagine. Did you have anything like that where the other tribe was falling apart in front

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_05]: of you or not really? I'm trying to think, uh, that we did not really have, uh, those types

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_05]: of moments. You know, I feel like that really in the new era, I feel like that Jelinski kind of got

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_05]: the ball rolling on this. Uh, and you know, I think to some degree maybe Andy out Jelinski,

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Jelinski here tonight. Yes. And I thought for a minute like, Hey, well, this is your new Jelinski.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And, um, no, I don't, I don't really remember that. I feel like that there's like a little bit

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_05]: of, you know, spiciness in between the tribes, but to see a tribe have like inter-tribe conflict

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_05]: in front of the other tribes. Uh, I thought that almost never happens. Yeah, I agree. And I, but I

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_04]: am kind of, cause on at least on 42, the other two tribes were a hot mess, but we had no idea,

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_04]: but, um, try to keep it together in front of them. Yes. But I think the interesting thing about this

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_04]: is that very early in the game, you don't really know how it like, you know, you've seen how it

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_04]: works on the show, but you, you don't have the culture of the season set up yet. So these first

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_04]: few days, it's kind of like a baby bird imprinting on whatever it sees. So this is the first,

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_04]: like the first few days of the experience and you have this crazy imprinted experience where

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Andy's being super out there and open about what's going on. I do kind of wonder if that will

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_04]: translate into people being more readily, um, willing to call things out as we go. So I'm kind

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_04]: of curious to see if that sets the tone for the season or if people back off, but, um, very

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_05]: interesting. I want to go back to John and I really, I thought that John was actually very

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_05]: good in the episode tonight. I just like nothing that happened where I'm like, Ooh, uh, that was

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_05]: a mistake. Uh, what is John doing there? Like a disaster. And you do often get that with the first

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_05]: boots. You know, you're sort of like they're doing something and they're getting the music is really

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_05]: piling on and like, what an idiot didn't get that at all from John tonight. Is it possible? Do you

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_05]: think that John got a charitable edit? Okay. So I'm going to push back on that a little bit.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_04]: A wise woman once said, yes. Um, I'm just kidding. Uh, I mean, I think he did come across quite well.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_04]: He was great with the audience. Very engaging, very funny answers, especially when he was like,

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm getting a preview to being thrown under the bus. Yeah. Very funny. I thought he was

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_05]: answered that masterfully. Uh, when, when, when Andy like threw his name out there, like I thought

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_05]: that he really, uh, was like, okay, wow. This is somebody who, uh, really knows how to deflect.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought, I thought John did great. I'm just still trying to make sense of why he goes home.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that that is like, I think that he did great in that he appeared to be kind of like

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_04]: the victim of that situation, but then he didn't lean into that. I think that that was the mistake.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think you really have to like push Andy further out if that's what's going to happen.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think, you know, we've seen some winners in the season's history of the show. Like for

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_04]: instance, in co-wrong, which we'd mentioned already, people did not understand necessarily

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_04]: why Michelle beat Aubrey based on the edit that was presented, but a social game, which Michelle

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_04]: had a really good social game is very hard to convey on the TV. And, and in the same way,

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I think when there's a misconnect between people, that's also very hard to convey.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_04]: So if I had to guess, and I don't know, I would just say that maybe the others bonded with each

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_04]: other more than John bonded with them. And there was something missing in those subtle

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_04]: interactions that led to him being one that voted out. Although I will say my take before the season

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_04]: was that this tribe was never going to lose a challenge. If they did lose, I kind of did think

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_04]: John might go, but they just seemed like such a strong group of six, like in terms of they all

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_04]: to me had winner potential. So, you know, even just looking at them going to tribal,

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I would have had a hard time picking somebody to go.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was for John. And again, that was my pick in the draft. So I've been,

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_05]: it's okay. It's okay. I'll go. I'll take that one. That's on, that's on me. Okay. I think it's

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_05]: ultimately, this is a good outcome because now, you know, everybody can root for Asia to win in

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_05]: the draft and then they can still, all the other drafters can still win the draft because I got

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_05]: the grenade. Unless Asia and Sierra both get to the finals, but that's for another day. We're not

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_05]: here to talk about the draft tonight. But yeah, I just thought that John was going to be very good.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think my one worry with John, and I think I even said this on the draft podcast the other

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_05]: night was that like, they go to an early tribal council. That's the problem for John. They let

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_05]: this guy get to the merge. He's good, but this is, this could be an issue. Even if he gets past

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_04]: first two or three challenges, I think the thing is, you know, Sierra at one point said in the

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_04]: episode, like the challenges are not going to get any easier, but they do. Yeah. They usually front

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_04]: load all the very heavy physical ones at the very start of the season. And so by episodes four and

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_04]: five, they're not that physical. And so I think if you have a go on a bit of a winning streak and

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_04]: also given that John was kind of not, you know, maybe being himself before the game started,

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that a little bit of traction would have gone a long way and this was the worst pitfall for

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_04]: him. But I think that this group in general is very strong and that they can rally around Andy.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think that they're going to lose again. Did John also have all his eggs in the baby Andy

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_05]: basket in that? Like, it's like, okay, good. I'm bonding with this, like you know, this big,

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_05]: strong guy that he seems very likable, easy to get along with. Okay. As long as I'm good with

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_05]: this guy, I'm fine. And then, oh no, baby Andy is spiraling. You know who was actually one thing I

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_04]: wanted to ask as well about that? Well, two, I wanted to know Rachel and Sam for Rachel,

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, she seemed to be the one that was the confidant of Andy to some extent and was trying,

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_04]: like he was seeking her out to talk him kind of off the ledge. Now, I guess if somebody's having,

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_04]: like, it seems like Andy had imposter syndrome that really kind of, which he shouldn't cause he

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_04]: deserves to be there and he's a great player, but it seemed like he was having that sort of,

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, mental block and, you know, you can't really help somebody. It's no one's responsibility

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_04]: to pull anybody out of that mind frame. But do you think that there is, you know, maybe she also

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_04]: wasn't, um, like, because she was irritated with how he was playing the game, you know, is there

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_04]: a missed opportunity there to like placate him or make him comfortable enough to not go down this

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_04]: destructive path? Or do you think that was kind of like inevitably going to happen anyways? Because

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I really liked the way I loved her confessionals. I loved every way she talked about the game and

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_04]: she's extremely strong player from what we've seen so far. Yeah, I actually, um, I think I was sleeping

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_05]: on Rachel a bit in the preseason. I didn't really get it in the preseason. I saw her and said like,

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, actually, she's very, very good. Uh, I'm like, I'm really, uh, seeing her as like a person who,

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_05]: uh, knows her stuff. I didn't quite get that from watching her in the preseason interviews,

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_05]: but you make a good point about that. Uh, she was, I think, so worried about, hey,

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_05]: people are going to wake up, they're going to see us together. I'm not going down with the ship here.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, like, was there an opportunity to potentially, you know, rehabilitate Andy to some degree?

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. And I think that that is obviously we need to know more from her about how that situation

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_04]: went down. And sometimes if somebody is going to have a hard time again, you can't really stop that.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, it is what it is, but you know, is, I think the question is, is that a missed opportunity?

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And then the other question I see it from her perspective too. I just want to say that because

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_05]: it's like, okay, well, it's like, look, they're going to see us together and he's a big, strong

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_05]: guy and they're not gonna, they're going to get rid of me, not him. Yeah, no, for sure. And that

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_04]: makes sense. Although I think that confessional where she got sliced and being like, you don't

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_04]: take somebody down with you. I have a feeling that was more about John than it was about her,

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_04]: but it does. But yeah, like I do think that, um, you know, her not being, want to see be,

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_04]: be seen with two people going off. We saw how that played out on the other tribes where,

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_04]: um, Rome went off alone and that was seen as a target. And then, um, you know, John and Andy

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_04]: earlier in the episode went off alone and the other four were like, that's kind of weird.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And from the experience that I had, you know, when we were starting out, nobody wanted to go

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_04]: off in one or two, but I was three at minimum. So I think that in the very early stages of the game,

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_04]: that does matter. And she's very astute to kind of point that out and have her own boundary there.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And the other thing I wanted to comment on was Sam, he seems like a very good liar. Like when

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_04]: he was talking to John and Andy about voting out Annika, I w I thought that he was telling them,

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I was convinced he was telling them the truth. Um, and I thought that was very impressive because he

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: clearly had no intention to do that. Yeah. It's like, I'm not going to do that. Um, did you ever

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_05]: have a situation where you were in the Rachel spot of that? Okay. Somebody is yes. Yes. All

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_04]: all the time. I remember, um, you know, Romeo would pull me, pull me aside a bunch and be like,

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_04]: uh, I think I'm going home. I think I'm going home. And I'm like, Romeo, like, we're you,

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_04]: you are okay. You're fine. But if people keep seeing us go off and talk like that,

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_04]: they will get suspicious. Cause right now they're telling me information about you because

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_04]: they don't know that we're close. But if you were pulling me aside every,

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, five minutes, that is going to get through to them. And I felt I had a similar

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_04]: experience sometimes with Mike as well, which I did talk to him about, like, we need to like,

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_04]: not do this all the time. Um, and then he stopped doing it, but then voted me out. So that was why

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_04]: he stopped doing it. That tricky Hoboken Mike, but, um, but yes, I do think that that, I think

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_04]: earlier on the game though, that matters more later on in the game, people know that everybody's going

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_05]: to talk to each other. And I think it matters less. All right. I want to talk about where we

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_05]: go next with this Gata tribe and they end up, uh, they vote out John and it feels to me like there

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_05]: are two pairs, uh, that are here. Uh, we have a Sam and Sierra feel like a pair to me. Uh, and then

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_05]: the Anika and Rachel pair with now Andy in the middle. Is that how you see it? So I think that

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_04]: the, um, under the radar pair that they didn't really like highlight a lot. I do think it's

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Anika and Rachel. I feel like they might be the tightest duo because you saw pregame. They both

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_04]: wanted to work together and they immediately jumped on the puzzle together and one right out of the

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_04]: gate. And Sierra seems to be really bonding with them as well. So I guess the question is, does

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_04]: see her more self herself more with Sam or with, um, the girls. And I think that she's, she, to me,

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_04]: she actually seems kind of like the swing in that position because she could go, if Sam wants to go

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_04]: give Andy a chance, I could see her swinging that way or she could stick with the girls. But I think

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_04]: she's more of the swing boat than Andy. I feel like in a way, um, I had a comparison for this

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_05]: tribe, uh, as we were watching the episode and to me, I wanted to know, did you feel like, uh,

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_05]: could you see at all the Baca tribe, uh, the yellow tribe from survivor 43 where we, we come in

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_05]: and okay. This is a tribe that is having some issues. Okay. And then Gabler is the person

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_05]: who is, you know, having like a little bit of, uh, you know, not quite a meltdown on the level

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_05]: that we saw with Andy, but then, uh, a little bit of like a Kumbaya tribe where that they are like,

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_05]: uh, maybe they waited a little bit too long to talk about who was going to ultimately go home.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_05]: You had the women potentially we're going to do, uh, a women's thing. Uh, maybe like a strong

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_05]: woman leader of like an Anika and an Ellie. Uh, now in that instance, like the person who is maybe

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_05]: at the center of, uh, the, all the attention ends up being the person who stays. Uh, and there was

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_05]: in Gabler also had an idol that he potentially, uh, like, uh, could have, could have used, but

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_05]: didn't, uh, at that tribal council. But you know, much like Allie Gabler, uh, like, uh, is there,

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_05]: is there an opportunity for Andy to get under the radar after being at the center of attention?

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, I, I, I think that he, at this point needs either one of two things. One is, um, he

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_04]: needs to have a pair like Rachel and Anika, for instance, if that becomes very obvious,

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_04]: the target can go on them a little bit more easily and they become more threatening than just him

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_04]: alone. If Sierra, you know, feels uncomfortable being a third wheel in the girls group or Sam

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_04]: being an outsider of that group, that would be an opportunity to open up. Or the other thing would

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_04]: be something drastic, like finding the idol. I think that that would open up the game for him as

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_04]: well. But I see only those two ways to save him. The preview just seems like it's going to just be

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_05]: more chaos with Andy. I think he's going to find an idol. Okay. That's what Sam's shocked at that.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_04]: He's uh, like, uh, making a lot happen. Uh, we'll see. I think Sam is in the Sammy spot.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Ironically because Sammy, uh, well, he's a bit older than Sammy, but Sammy was kind of the one

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_04]: to decide what was going to happen. Not by much. Um, but Sammy was the one that was going to decide

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_04]: what was going to happen there. He was kind of in between both groups and he felt like the girls

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_04]: were too strong. So he kind of subverted their power, um, and used Gabler to do that. If Sam

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_04]: feels threatened or uncomfortable within his position within the women, he could easily do

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_04]: that as well. It's just how comfortable is he within that group? And I don't think that that's

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_04]: clear yet. Again, like I thought he was telling the truth when he's like, let's go for on again.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_04]: He was not at all. So I don't know where he stands. It's getting the Michelle Fitzgerald

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_04]: edit though. Okay. Let it be known. Stephen Fishback because Seneca was talking about how

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_04]: she's the leader of the group now. And then all of a sudden you get Sam and confessional being

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_04]: like, I'm so happy on it. Cause taking the lead because I don't want to be the leader.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, it had nothing to do with you. You know, like that is so fits me. She fits.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. You know, do you want to comment on Anika at all? I thought that she's came across

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_04]: really well in the premiere. Yeah. Anika is great. You know, I love, I okay. Soapbox. I love that

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_04]: there's so much more Indian representation on the show now. Like we Karishma was the first one after

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_04]: 39 seasons. And then now we've opened up that so much more. And I think that Anika brings a energy

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_04]: that's very different. And it's also like, she seemed to be fairly well-received being kind of

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_04]: a leader role, which is harder for a younger woman to do. I feel like, um, which is maybe a sign that

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_04]: the times are changing as they should, but you know, I like what she has to offer, but I do think

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_04]: that that kind of energy, like you don't want to be the leader on the show. So she probably

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_04]: does need to tone it down. Okay. All right. But you know, there's only six people. Somebody's

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[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_05]: podcast. Everybody was very excited tonight about the debut of Asia Welch on survivor. And it was

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_05]: a little bit of a rough start for Asia who ends up volunteering for her tribe to end up being on

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_05]: the new sweat versus savvy challenge. Are you surprised that Asia was the person who stepped

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_04]: up to do this? Well, I was more surprised that Asia was in the marching band. I think that's

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_04]: pretty fucked. Like I did, you know that I didn't know Asia was in the marching band.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_04]: You did. I did not know that. Did not know. That's crazy. And I,

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a lot to say about that, but why I think that I'm watching.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I would say anti-band, but like willing to be converted. Okay. You know but I think that Asia

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_04]: did not watch the survivor blood versus water because she does not know that one into six is

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_04]: out. That was wild, but it was so cute when she was like, my tribes couldn't be so proud of me.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And then she couldn't wrestle TK. I really, I was really hoping to see.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It seemed like she had it. Ironically Asia gets undone because she's not able to forge her own

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_05]: path. All she had to do was forge a path.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. It's her thing. Forge your own path. No, it was her boss. Yes. Well, okay. Well,

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_05]: we'll get there. So she, she ends up almost trying to wrestle the key away from, I wanted to see

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Danielle versus Amanda 2.0 in the water because you know, Asia could have kicked his ass.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I was ready for it and you know, she, she backed down. Yeah. Okay. Did you like this

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_04]: new challenge instead of sweat versus savvy? I did like the change. I thought, you know what,

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_04]: the whole, the whole marooning I felt was very fresh. Like it was seemed like it was a different

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_04]: location we haven't seen. It was a much bigger challenge set and one where you're not seeing all

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_04]: the elements in one frame. Like they're running around. It was very fresh. And so was this,

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, not sweat, not savvy, Indiana Jones bullshit. I like this better. This was better.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_05]: If I could give one note on just the opening challenge and I know that they love to do it,

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_05]: that Jeff has talked about this, that he loves the imagery of we're going to birth you into the game,

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_05]: into the mud and that's going to be your baptism by mud into survivor. I like, I love the idea

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_05]: of it, but like I really, it's the first challenge. I'm still trying to figure out who everybody is

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_05]: and now you've covered them all with mud and I can't even tell who's on what tribe now. So it

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_05]: would just be like, like I get it. I understand what you're going for, but I'm also like, this

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_05]: is my first chance to see these people. And I don't know who is who when you cover them all in

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_04]: mud and they all are just mud people. I agree. And you know what? I hate mud. And so I was very

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_04]: thankful we did not have a challenge like this because it seems like every single season since

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_04]: then has been all about the mud. So I also did not love that part, but I did like this Indiana

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Jones challenge. But I think what will be also interesting, which I think there is a potential

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_04]: for evolution because this was leaning more sweat than savvy is if they were to, I want to see some

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_04]: sign of negotiation, you know, like maybe one person walks away with the stuff for the tribe

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_04]: and the other person walks away with a personal advantage or something. Well, Omer, how about this?

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I believed, correct me if I'm wrong, first new era premiere with no journey. Oh yeah. Is the

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_04]: journey gone? Are we done with the journey? I don't think we're done with the journey,

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_05]: but maybe it's on a break. Yeah. Cause every other new era, a boat comes, somebody's going to go,

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_04]: you're going on a journey. I think with all the journeys that they did though,

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_04]: they still have missed out on the like potential for negotiation. And so I feel like I want to see

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_04]: something like that, but this was... What about Brad and Sydney and Tiffany?

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. That's the episode that nobody wants to remember, Rob. So we've forgotten it. And those

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_04]: are not the three you want to send with all due respect to Tiffany Sealy for a negotiation summit.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_05]: That's not what we want to see. All right. But Asia ends up coming back and...

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Not forging her own path. It's not forging her own path. She comes back

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_05]: and while people are talking about figuring out the alliance, they're figuring out, okay,

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_05]: we've got these four. This is great. Tini says... Save a spot for this one other person.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Tini is a glacier. MVP. Yeah. And Tini says, hold a spot. I put my jacket on this seat for Asia

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_05]: when she comes back. And she comes back and Tini says, hey, I know who you are. I'm a big fan.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not gonna tell anybody because I don't want to out myself.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Incredible. Incredible. And you know what? The thing is, Rob, congratulate... Well,

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_04]: this is about Asia as well, of course, and Tini for being a longtime listener. Shout out, Tini.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But Mr. Rob, you started a podcast in Survivor Samoa or here? Samoa.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Samoa. Yeah.

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And can you believe that now they're mentioning it on the show? That's crazy. Congratulations.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_05]: It is pretty crazy. It was a nice moment for me in many ways, but it was very fun

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_05]: that I was watching the show with my family and I got to see my kids' reaction to...

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Because they don't understand. They don't know. Why are people talking about this?

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_05]: That's incredible.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, very appreciative to Asia, to Tini and to anybody at Survivor that didn't cut

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_04]: that out of the show. Yes. And also I'm sure Boston Rob wants to thank you too,

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_04]: because he's probably getting so many followers tonight. He's probably getting so many cameos

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_05]: tonight and everything. Yeah. He's really mooching off your success. That's crazy.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Look, has been for a while now. But seriously, that was really great. And look, I was worried

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_05]: for Asia going out there that she's going to be targeted that she's a podcaster.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_04]: That people are going to say... Well, do people really want Pive coming after them? Probably not.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it's that. I don't think that there was any sort of fear, but I really was

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_05]: worried that people were going to say, okay, oh well, she knows too much. But to the people that

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_05]: know who she is, it's like, oh yeah. Another person I know, another fan. Great.

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And with all due respect to Asia, she's not somebody that you listen to on the podcast

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_04]: and are like, what a monster. If it was Chappelle, instant target. But it's Asia.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we can say Shannon.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_04]: No, people love Shannon too. Chappelle's the villain. So you have to watch out for him.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think if it had been Chappelle, it would have been a different story. But Asia,

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_04]: she's always very grounded. She has a lot of insightful comments and she's fun and funny on

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_04]: the podcast. So that's somebody that people would gravitate towards if they were avid enough

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_04]: listeners. And so good for Teenie. And you know what? The most embarrassing thing about it is for

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_04]: me, I don't know if before I went on, I would have known.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, look, I think that when you're going through it, you really do a lot of research

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_05]: and start to look up all these people. And so Asia, then she comes back. I do think that

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Asia's vulnerability, I think that people looked at that as a good thing of like,

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_05]: oh, we can trust this person. Look how upset she is about this. She's not giving any sort of

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_05]: like cockamamie story and like, why would she? But I think that they really, she really endeared

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_05]: herself to the tribe. But then she gets a huge help from Mr. Jerome.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you know who my winner pick was, Rob?

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Who? Rome?

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. You don't feel good about that?

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_04]: You know what? I'm going to ride. I'm going to, you know what? Rome, if I want to roam around

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_04]: the world, I'm going to stick with it until he dies in this game. But you know, everybody

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_04]: was worried he was going to be too much. And I said, no.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Rome just watched everything.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Bring him back for Survivor B52.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, so all right. So Rome, he goes on his idol hunt and it's so funny. I thought this was hilarious

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_05]: where both Rome and Gabe had a bunch of mishaps like going around looking for these idols. And

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_05]: so Rome, he finds it and he's off and he's going and he's like doing horrible at like going

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_05]: undetected.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like he doesn't even care.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like he doesn't even care. And I just thought it was so funny that I thought that

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_05]: like Asia is like the leader of like the Scooby-Doo gang. Like she's like Fred and like the whole

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_05]: other five of them are just like stalking Rome around the island. Like it's so funny.

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And what does she call him?

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Mr. Gamer.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Mr. Gamer. Shady, shady Asia. That was so good. But it's like he did and he just like

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_04]: runs away like that's crazy. Just come up with a lie or something. And he was balls deep in

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_04]: that well, I would not be drinking that.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, yeah. So then and then Rome kind of does the tribe a little bit dirty, literally

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_05]: and figuratively as he his whole his whole like, you know, it's day three of survivor.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_05]: You're ripe. And he has now gone swimming in the water that they drink. We see survivors

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_05]: voted out for less.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Omer.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? I feel like I found a dead lizard in the water once. And

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like this was worse.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was worse.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this was worse.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Would you rather drink like a dead lizard soup or like Rome's?

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Or Jacob Derwin sock or Jacob Derwin sock. Like, that's not right.

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I think Jacob Derwin socks still might be worse, but it's close.

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_04]: It is.

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_04]: It was going to boil the rice.

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, maybe the producers didn't intend for Rome to swim in the well.

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe it was a way like maybe they thought, like, oh, he'll get like a stick or something.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_05]: They didn't think he was going to let go like baby Jessica head first into the well, like

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_05]: the ring.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Wait, I think I missed it as well.

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Was his idol good for one tribal as well? Yeah.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Was it good for one tribal or three?

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_05]: It seemed like that Rome was operating under like a different sort of like idol

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_05]: rubric than what Gabe had going on.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, it seemed like unless that Gabe was just further along in the process.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think that we got to the point where Rome was able to trade in his idol for a like

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_05]: a three peat idol.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I missed that part.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know what they're what's going on there.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_04]: But I feel like Rome, you should probably take the one shot idol.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't worry about it.

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_04]: He needs it, but he needs it.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_04]: This is going to screw over that poor Canadian Genevieve.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, she was very high on Rome before he was out there.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_04]: He's roaming around the world, too.

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_04]: She's right there with me and she's going to get fucked for it.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_04]: But it is what it is.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Can Rome bounce back?

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Is there any hope for Rome?

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think he needs to play his idol.

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_04]: The question is, does he know he needs to play the idol?

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's probably going to lose his only ally Genevieve in that process.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think he needs to rely on finding more idols or winning immunity.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Omar, could you talk a little bit about this and tell me if this was,

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_05]: you know, I'm trying to remember from Survivor 42, was there concern?

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, so Marianne had the idol and then there was some.

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And again, I think this maybe this was something that was in the episode,

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_05]: but maybe not so much in real life of how do you navigate a circumstance in, OK,

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_05]: small tribe and somebody, the person that you might want to put the votes on

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_05]: probably has the idol.

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they...

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, Marianne's idol was not activated much of the pre-merge.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_04]: So that was a little bit less of a concern.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_04]: The thing about our tribe was that everybody thought they were at the top.

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So it was going to be fine.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_04]: It was going to be fine because nobody thought they were going home.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think in that situation, that's how it was,

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_04]: was just having everybody feel like they were at the top.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_04]: In a situation like Rome, and to be fair,

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_04]: like Rome might not be aware of his position.

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_04]: But if he if they can convince if Tini can convince him,

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_04]: it's still, you know, us against Asia and Saul.

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_04]: He might feel secure enough to not play the idol, in which case,

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, he could be gone and that could save Genevieve.

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that Tini is like clearly the power player on this tribe

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_04]: and she's right where she wants to be and everybody's where she wants them to be.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And Asia really lucked out having that kind of connection,

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_04]: but she's also doing well on her own.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think Tini is where the power is at the moment.

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Which might not last forever.

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It might not last forever, but I really I'm so happy for Tini in the position that she's in,

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_05]: because Tini was somebody coming into the game.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I felt like was kind of like how I felt about John Lovett of like,

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, well, Tini could be in trouble if they go to an early tribal council.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_05]: But if Tini gets to the merge, watch out.

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And right now, if they go to a tribal council,

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't feel like Tini's in any danger whatsoever.

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And so for Tini to be in this good of a position this early on,

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_05]: and then when we get to the merge and then people are starting to worry about like,

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, oh, there's the threat over there.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a threat over there.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a threat over there.

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_05]: How many folks from the other tribes are going to be looking at Tini as we got to get out Tini?

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I guess the question of how sparkly she's got the scarecrow look.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_04]: We got to worry about her.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_04]: What would you have rated the buff look?

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_05]: One on how we be?

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's not my favorite look.

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's a better look for the big brother house.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, would you call it a toque?

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but you wore it like a toque.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I tried to wear the buff every possible way.

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I said, like every day, like what's a new way I could try to wear the buff?

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_05]: You didn't do the Brando buff.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, I didn't.

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_05]: People came up with way more ingenious ideas after me.

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_05]: But I was like, OK, well, how many how many different ways could I potentially wear above

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_05]: some? I actually like to look for Tini.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, personally, I would have given it a seven out of ten.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, well, I think that we'll see what Stephen says tomorrow afternoon.

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_05]: But maybe maybe fishy consideration.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, not even on the losing tribe.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it might be tough to give a fishy in the losing tribe.

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if there was a man or Rachel.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I think they were clearly in very good spots.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll see what Stephen has to say.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not my award to give away.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think if I if I was giving one out tonight, I think I might go fishy for Tini.

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And you guys always disagree.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Stephen doesn't listen to this podcast, so he'll have no idea about any of this.

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_04]: OK, fine.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's put let's put something on it.

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's bet Sam's life on it.

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_04]: OK.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_04]: You got that, Sam?

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Good.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's talk about the Tuku tribe, Blue Tribe.

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_05]: OK.

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_05]: And of course, listeners, get your questions in for Omer, because we're going to take your

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_05]: questions here in this episode tonight.

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_05]: So post them before.

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_04]: One more thing about Andy.

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Andy said that he was afraid of weed.

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And I have to say, that's very relatable.

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I when I went to undergrad did not know what weed smelled like.

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And all of a sudden I was sitting in my dorm and I could smell this thing that smelled

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_04]: like the worst thing I've ever smelt in my life.

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And I thought I was going to die.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, we all need to evacuate right now.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And they were like, it's just weed.

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know, it smells awful.

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know why people like it.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_04]: But I digress.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, back to Tuku.

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_05]: OK.

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_04]: They also didn't even like highlight...

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Jeff didn't be like, oh, like this is the Tuku tribe represented by the spider.

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think it's because all the emblems were so offensive possibly that people didn't

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_04]: want to be associated.

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_04]: In what way?

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I know people don't like snakes.

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_04]: They don't like rats and they don't like spiders.

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that's crazy because all of them have their own value.

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Is that what they were?

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_04]: The three tribes were snakes, rats and spiders?

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's crazy that they hearken back to the snake and the rat.

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But then who is the spider?

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Is that like Colleen or Greg?

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Who is the spider?

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I'd like to know.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm not sure if who we would make the spider.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, Jenna Lewis.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_05]: The spider?

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I believe Jerry Manthe was sort of the black widow.

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's from Borneo.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, OK, but maybe it's just like the iconic first year of survival.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_05]: OK.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_05]: OK.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Then let's talk about what's going on with the blue tribe.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_05]: The Tuku tribe.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_05]: That's TK's tribe.

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And TK came back.

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I kind of thought we were getting TK set up for a fall a little bit in this episode,

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_05]: especially after he came back and was talking about how he expected to really just have all

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_05]: of this reverence from the tribe after what he did.

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought that he were getting setting him up for a little bit of a comeuppance, but

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_05]: that wasn't the case at all.

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I think TK is doing great.

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's a very fun character to watch.

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's he there's a thing about him is he's not going to hold back at all.

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, I'm going to go balls to the walls and play very hard from day one to day 26,

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_04]: hopefully.

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that it's interesting that it didn't seem like he was put on the outs just

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_04]: for being away kind of like Asia was unless until he saved her, maybe because he's so

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_04]: strong.

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But I thought it was a very messy, chaotic King move for him to put the paper, which was

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_04]: like, you know, when they were like doing whoever does the thing that's left out in

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_04]: rock, paper, scissors is the one that's going to go to the island.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And they were like, the three of us will do rock or scissors.

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_04]: A person out goes to the island and he did paper, which wasn't even in the agreement.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Like so he already like lied to them in the first few minutes of the game, which I thought

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_04]: was like a really chaotic thing to do.

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Like he wanted to go.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_04]: He wanted to go.

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But they were all pretending like they didn't.

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe that was his way.

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe it seemed like to maybe they thought it could have been like the journey and there

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_05]: was a chance to get an advantage if you go to the thing.

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know.

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_04]: But it was like kind of chaotic to like lie about something so insignificant so early.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_04]: So I thought that that was a weird choice, but he's a very fun character to watch.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_05]: We got to talk about the person who's at the center of everything over at Tuku and that's

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Gabe.

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, we got Sue.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_05]: No, Gabe's at the center of everything.

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_05]: The first confessional I think we got was Gabe talking about, I want to be the first

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_05]: face of the new era Mount Rushmore.

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_05]: We saw Gabe talking about I'm here in the preseason.

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_05]: He said, I'm here to reclaim the game that Russell Hance brought the survivor.

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Omer, tell me that what is the likelihood?

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it possible that Gabe that the story of Survivor 47 is the story of this epic game

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_05]: that Gabe is about to play?

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I think Gabe's very interesting character, very fun to watch on the show.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I do.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_04]: He does not give me like Russell Hance vibes.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_04]: He does not give me that kind of screen time hog, screen hog, screen time hog vibes.

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Russell did.

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_04]: However, I think his strategy going into the game was very interesting, which I wanted to

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_04]: talk about because in his preseason little video, he was like, I don't care about these

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_04]: people.

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't I didn't care about them before.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not gonna care about them after and it doesn't matter to me.

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_04]: But I feel like and you could maybe you feel otherwise.

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you have to care about the people to do well in the game.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I agree with that.

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like when people lie about their job.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like you could pretend to care about them, but if you actually cared about them,

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_04]: it's a lot easier to if you're just telling the truth about your job.

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It's probably a lot easier to connect with people than if you're lying about it.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that that is like you should be there to make friends if you want to do

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_04]: well in the game.

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I feel like so.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like that there are two types of players that win Survivor, that there are the there

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_05]: are the players who love people, that they are, they just say that they really just

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_05]: enjoy being around people, that they they get great pleasure out of like the different

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_05]: types of personalities that show up, the colorful characters.

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_05]: They enjoy that.

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_05]: And then there are sociopaths that those are the two different sides.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_05]: So maybe it's possible that he could be like a Brian Heideck.

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he could.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_04]: He could be.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know what?

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_04]: He the way he approaches strategy, I kind of like as well as kind of direct and like

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_04]: this is what I'm planning to do.

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And this is how I'm going to go forward.

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And he seems to be pretty loyal to Sue, which is like a good quality as an ally.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_04]: But I just think that if he maybe he's also like playing it up, like I'm going to be this

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_04]: villain character and he actually still does care about the people.

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I just I don't I don't I think I would I would be surprised if he didn't get caught early.

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you feel like just like either?

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he's going to like be an iconic character who's going to do great things or he's being

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_05]: set up to just, you know, have a great fall and it will be iconic regardless.

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Either way.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Either way.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's playing a big game.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Having a big fall, maybe like the first of the idle clue boxes that he found.

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I saw some people complaining about there were too many find the box, find the key,

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_05]: find like looking around, searching for stuff.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Personally, that was not a take that I had watching the episode.

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_05]: But how did you feel about that?

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think the thing is, because it was a two hour premiere, I found the amount

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_04]: of idle looking to be a little bit grating, but acceptable because we still got so much.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And I feel like I still walked away kind of knowing everybody.

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So it wasn't that big of a deal.

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I like that there was a new component to it, but I think it's just like it was designed

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_04]: to take up too much time.

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that we lucked out that Gabe said, OK, no more.

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to stick with the three tribal idle.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that that's also partially a reflection.

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I actually think that that's good for Gabe's longevity in the game.

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, that's one thing in his favor, I think, because he's not thinking like, oh,

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm definitely going to be there at the end.

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So I need that idle all the way to the end.

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And 46 is very top of their mind, I feel like.

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_04]: So having the shot clock idle is probably a good place for him to be.

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you think, though, that it would be a good idea for him to have taken?

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Should he have risked his one vote idle for a three vote?

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And I know that it sounds like to if you're listening to this, like, well, that's an easy

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_05]: decision.

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_05]: You take the take the three.

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, we've seen so many players in the last couple of seasons voted out of

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_05]: the game with an idle in their pocket.

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, for Gabe, I mean, to know I'm going to the next tribal council and no matter what,

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to be safe at the next travel.

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to go to the next travel council.

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to play my idle and I am going to.

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, a lot of these tribes go to one tribal council before the merge.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think that it was probably a good idea to get the three.

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_04]: However, with the fact that Gabe where TK caught him kind of in a lie, I feel like that's

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_04]: the one thing where I'm like, OK, maybe just the one like at that point, maybe you just

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_04]: have to like cut bait and be like, I have the idle.

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_04]: It's only good for one tribal and I'm done.

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think in that circumstance, because TK knew and he didn't want TK to know that that

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_04]: would have been the best call.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I think if TK did not know, then I think three is fine for if he felt like his alliance with

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Sue is pretty tight.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this was before he dropped the box down the rock face and then everybody was like,

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_05]: wait, what was it?

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_05]: What do you know?

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_04]: What though?

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if that was legit because where they were sitting and where that rock, those

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_04]: are so far away.

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I don't know.

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't know.

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_05]: And then when he was like smashing the driftwood, I'd like, can they hear this?

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Also very far away from the sleeping area.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't think so.

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, where are we going here for Gabe?

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that he has the three tribal council idol.

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I am a little bit worried for him in the sense that if you saw in the preview, which we all

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_04]: know can be misleading.

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Somebody was like he he called us all stupid or something like Tiana said that I think

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and I they did flash to Gabe and I could see that being about Gabe.

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_04]: If that is true and people are turning him on on him already, then I would worry a lot

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_04]: about him.

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that if he they do have a fairly well-rounded team, so they may also not lose

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_04]: very often.

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think I do think if they go to premerch tribal, he's in trouble if he doesn't play

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_04]: his idol.

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Something from Jeff tonight, he was really hammering home the notion of your your tribe

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_05]: on Survivor is a community.

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_05]: You come out to Survivor and you build a community.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_05]: This is all about a community.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_05]: And then you have to then they go to the jury and then that community you have to convince

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_05]: to vote for you to win the million dollars.

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_05]: What do you think about this new like rebranding of the Survivor world?

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_05]: They just changed the word from society.

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's the same thing.

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just he's trying to find like a new there's no themes anymore.

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_04]: So he's got to differentiate.

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I've seen in they were really like hyping up the community in the preseason.

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And I really kind of thought that they were going a little bit of a different angle of

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_05]: like, hey, like you watch Survivor every single week.

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_05]: So do the people that we put on to the show and like Survivor is at least this is how

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I view it.

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't know if the show views it the same way.

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Like like this isn't just a TV show like for this very few shows like, you know, if you

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_05]: watch Young Sheldon every week, you know, you're not part of the Young Sheldon community

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_05]: where the people the people who go to the Young Sheldon viewing parties every single

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_05]: week in all these different cities and you know each other because like, oh, I'm a fan

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_05]: like I'm a fan of this.

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And people are connecting online.

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And like there's like so there's the people that are playing the show.

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_05]: But there's like that's like at the top level.

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_05]: But there's like all these like millions of people who watch the show every week and talk

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_05]: about it and have all these friendships and relationships just because they watch the show.

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_05]: To me, that's like the community of Survivor that I think is something that's special and

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_05]: unique in a lot of ways to Survivor.

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I kind of thought that like the community is here, but it's also, you know, Jeff breaking

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_05]: the fourth wall talking to the people that watch Survivor.

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_04]: He loves us.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like our long lost father.

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that he I think that you're right about that.

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Actually, the difference between society, I guess society is like everybody around you.

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's like really restricted to the show community expands that a little bit further.

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure if that's what they were going for.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I thought they were.

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_04]: They are hard launching the beach drop and whatnot.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, they really want to get the fans involved.

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's great if that's what they're doing.

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And they're doing more events with trying to cultivate the community, the Survivor community.

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but it also is like I think that he just tries to do something very specific each season.

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Like last season, he made it a point to be like one single person of you thinks you can't win.

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_04]: That was wild.

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you can't, which was just like a crazy random thing to say.

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think like he's trying to like spice up the marooning with something different each time.

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, he's a great host.

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, oh, the best.

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he's not a he doesn't host the official Survivor podcast.

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, wait.

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess he does.

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_04]: He does.

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_04]: He does.

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_05]: You can catch it.

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_05]: He's also a podcaster.

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_04]: He's another podcaster on this season.

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_05]: He's a TV host and a podcast host.

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, yeah.

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_05]: So he one ups all the podcast hosts by also having being a TV host.

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_05]: We've got some questions coming up from the listeners.

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[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_05]: So, Omar, let's get to some questions from the listeners.

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[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_05]: OK?

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Ashley asks, are there shot in the darks this season?

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Good question.

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Do they think so?

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_04]: The shot in the dark?

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think they cancel the shot in the dark because they did not mention it.

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And I guess why didn't Andy play it?

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I guess that would be a question.

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Forget it.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Why didn't John play it?

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, John thought Anika was going home.

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, well, Andy voted for John.

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_05]: So I think that somebody loops in Andy.

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_05]: That's true.

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_05]: But by the time Andy's voting for John, I think he knows that it's going to be John.

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I cannot see them getting rid of the shot in the dark.

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And whether people like it or not, I think the shot in the dark is an excellent addition to the game.

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I agree.

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_04]: You have to blindside with it.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's also actually why so many people go home with idols,

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_04]: because everybody has to be blindsided.

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that that is a contributing factor to that indirectly.

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that there's not going to be a boring episode

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_04]: where people just tell somebody who's going home because they'll play their shot in the dark.

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think it's great.

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_04]: OK.

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Nick has a question.

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Nick says, do we think it's possible that somebody actually recognized John more than they let on?

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_05]: And that contributed to him being the target.

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, John came out and told everybody, I'm on a podcast called Pod Save America.

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_05]: People said they heard of it, but they hadn't listened to it.

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it possible that anybody on John's tribe might have been anti-Pod Save America?

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Come on.

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Have you seen these people?

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't think so.

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, you don't think they knew of it?

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't think they're anti-Pod Save America?

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Both.

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I think they didn't know about it.

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And if they did know about it, they wouldn't be anti-Pod Save America.

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. I mean, do you think they had any questions?

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Was there anything that was potentially like, oh, this guy sounds like he's doing pretty well?

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I do really think that these people...

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I honestly don't think people care that much about that stuff.

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_04]: That's why I don't get why people lie about their job so much.

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Other than the one person that should have lied about it was Justine Brennan.

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_04]: But everybody else, I just don't think people care.

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess, you know, maybe if he went into all the details about how he

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_04]: was a speechwriter for Obama and Hillary and all that,

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_04]: then maybe people would be jealous or something like that.

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't think so.

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's just about who you connect with and who you don't.

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Bobby asks, do we think that John's vote out was due to him being an exceptional speaker?

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Also, no.

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't think so?

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like we would have seen that if it was like the Elaine Stott,

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_04]: like this person is so charming.

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_04]: They must go on day three because they might win in 70 days from now.

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like we would have seen something like that.

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I just think that he probably did not fit in as well with everybody.

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess. Now, Omer, do you know what Vine is?

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I actually don't.

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh!

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, Boomer. Okay, Boomer.

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm lucky I wasn't on this tribe. I would have been the first one out.

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think it's like those quick videos, right?

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_04]: But I was never into that.

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_04]: TikTok is like a nightmare for me.

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Was it 12 seconds?

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess.

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we should ask Ken from Millennials vs Gen X.

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Didn't he know what Vine was or was that vinyl?

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_04]: It was vinyl.

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Makes the video sound better, apparently.

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Mason says, don't forget about the thing you wanted to say about Gabe, Omer.

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_04]: That was what I wanted to talk about.

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Is this thing of like, I don't want to make friends?

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Is that like, you know, I feel like that's dumb.

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like you have to do that.

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Seven second videos, the chat is telling me.

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Seven seconds?

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Several seconds.

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Several seconds. Yes.

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So what do you think about Gabe?

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_04]: No, it was just that I wanted to talk about that pregame strategy

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_04]: of I'm not here to make friends

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_04]: and whether or not that is very counterproductive to winning the game.

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And we agreed upon it.

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_05]: How about, why did Jon vote Annika over Andy?

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I was pretty surprised from Melissa.

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I guess my read is that Jon really thought they were all lying to him

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_04]: and he was going home.

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_04]: So he wanted to make a big splash and he thought Sam was a very convincing liar.

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Andy was like, I'll jump to this.

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And so he probably thought that was his only chance to stay.

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I understand it.

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think he had a choice of going left or right.

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And he chose, in my opinion, the wrong way to go.

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_04]: But usually whether or not that would save him.

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_04]: True.

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_05]: How about...

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_05]: He got blocked by the tribe.

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_05]: He got blocked.

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Sean wants to know, do we think that things would turn out different for Jon

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_05]: if he's on one of the other two tribes?

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Possibly with someone closer to his age.

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, again, I don't know.

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the tribe he was on, it's hard to imagine a scenario

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_05]: where things could have gone better for him.

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Because Andy, with all of his issues, is like, okay.

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you think that the Red Tribe would have voted him out over Rome?

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think if he's blending in with the Scooby-Doo gang

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: and chasing down Rome, finding the idol,

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe he could just sneak in there a little bit better.

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_04]: But somebody gave him every reason in the book to go over him

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and they still chose to vote him out.

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_04]: So hard to say.

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure he would fit in with the Blue Tribe much better.

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, that's all I got to say about that.

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm very curious to know what went wrong for Jon.

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And we'll get the chance to talk to Jon tomorrow,

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_05]: but it's almost like we need to talk to Sam or Sierra or Annika or Rachel

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_04]: to really know why Jon instead of...

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Jon seems like a smart guy and very self-aware.

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm sure he might have some insight into why he felt that he went home as well.

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_04]: That might be valuable.

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_05]: It was as simple as Sam and Sierra were like,

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_05]: we need Andy's strength, but why did Sam and Sierra win out

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_05]: over what Rachel and Annika wanted to do?

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. And you know what?

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a feeling we maybe didn't see this.

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_04]: We didn't see it for sure, but I wonder if they said,

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_04]: oh, he's going after you, Annika,

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_04]: because that's just the easiest way to then flip it on him, you know?

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And then of course that would incentivize both of them to want to vote him out.

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_04]: But they have to keep some suspense in the episode.

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't think they can show everything like that.

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Otherwise, it would be very obvious.

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Our friend Dr. Christian Humicki said,

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_05]: could Omer identify which tribe was living with the horrible nightmare bird sounds?

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. That's crazy, Christian, because those birds are so cute and I begged for it.

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_04]: They told me pregame, one beach has these crying birds that are endangered,

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_04]: so you can't touch them.

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I found out later they're not endangered.

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_04]: They just didn't want you to touch them?

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. And I was like, I really want to be on that beach.

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And I was not.

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it is on the beach with the blue tribe.

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I think they're there, but I unfortunately did not see or hear them ever.

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's sad.

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Mary Ann was in the chat too.

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Mary Ann said, by trying to rehabilitate Andy, John gave Andy more power.

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you agree or disagree?

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, 100%.

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_04]: That's exactly.

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I gave that, you know, it's like when there's a fire in a house

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_04]: and you're supposed to feel the door, not open it, John.

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And he opened it.

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know you were such a fire safety school.

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Fire safety.

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Like is the door not hot?

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. You know what?

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I actually think that people don't realize they need to stop drop and roll.

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Do your kids know that?

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Do my kids know if they're on fire to stop, drop and roll?

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Because I think I would forget if I got put on fire.

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's easy to forget if you're on fire, like, ah,

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_05]: these are like running around flailing, stop, drop and roll.

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I think you need somebody there, a buddy to yell out.

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And then also you tell your children.

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Ask them tomorrow.

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, they're sleeping.

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_05]: To feel the door.

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_05]: They're sleeping.

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But they need, they better feel the door before they don't open it.

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_05]: That's adorable that you think my kids sleep with the door closed.

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Like they forget fire.

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_05]: They're worried about monsters.

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_05]: The monster, the monster, the monster is hungry.

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_04]: So hungry.

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you think, wish they would bring the monster back?

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_04]: The monster never left.

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_04]: It was Jalinski and now it's, it's Andy and then it'll

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_04]: incept into someone else next season.

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Who's to say.

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_05]: How about,

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_05]: um,

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Omer, uh, have you seen enough to associate Asia with an animal from Reagan?

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, she, Asia gives me, you know, in Madagascar, did you watch that movie?

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen, seen parts of it.

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_04]: You've seen parts of it.

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Why not the whole thing?

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_04]: That's crazy.

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I think my kids watched it a while ago.

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, um, there is the animal.

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going more for like the true animals of Madagascar because zebras don't live there,

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_04]: but it's the predatory Fusa, which all the lemurs were afraid was going to kill them.

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_04]: So that is Asia.

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_06]: The Fusa.

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I've known that for years though.

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Jacob asks, what do you think of Sam's description of the glue guy strategy?

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_05]: He wants to be the glue guy.

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Are you a glue guy?

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I was because you know, Marianne, she's in the chat.

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_04]: She wanted to kill Jonathan.

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_05]: You were the glue guy at what was it?

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Taku?

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_04]: You were the glue guy.

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, for sure.

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I was a glue guy.

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Jonathan and Lindsay, you know, they had their issues.

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Jonathan and Marianne, sometimes Marianne and Lindsay would bicker and I would be the,

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, I compared myself to the mother hen.

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I would try to like put them under me and stop them from trying to kill each other.

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So I would say that's a glue guy.

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is the same as a mother hen strategy.

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_04]: It's all the same synonyms.

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And if you weren't around, the tribe wouldn't have been the same.

[01:16:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Wouldn't have been as cohesive.

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe somebody else would have stepped into the glue guy role.

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe Jackson.

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Jackson maybe could have been a glue guy.

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's see.

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think you want to call yourself the glue guy though,

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_04]: because it's like, are you going to like the factory with the horses?

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I don't know.

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like it's...

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And is that an urban legend?

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Do they really make glue out of horses?

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not a horse vet.

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_04]: So okay.

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, horse vets, crazy shit happens there.

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Like what?

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, one of my horse vet friends told me that they went to a racetrack and then instead of

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_04]: paying them money to treat the horses, they asked for steroids for the horses and then

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_04]: offered to pay them in cocaine.

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_04]: It's crazy.

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_05]: So the trade is you get cocaine and they get horse steroids.

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Crazy shit.

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_05]: That is pretty crazy.

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_05]: What an underbelly.

[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_04]: You don't want to be a horse vet.

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Omar, what else is on your mind after this premiere?

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I am pumped for this season.

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's great so far.

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't care about the haters that told me I was wrong because I think it's the best

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_04]: premiere in a while.

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Screw the haters.

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, screw the haters.

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm excited to see where the season goes.

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I hope there's a tribe swap.

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I hope we have a lot of fun and I hope that people call each other out because that was

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_04]: really fun today.

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_05]: So we did have the tribe swap in Survivor 45.

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_05]: And do you think that Survivor production felt like it worked?

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you feel like they would like to do that again in Survivor 47?

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Because I know that...

[01:18:00] [SPEAKER_05]: They had said something weird about it, like we can only work with...

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's see if we get Omar back.

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_05]: We're hearing that.

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you cut out for a second.

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Can you say that one more time?

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, there was an interview or something like,

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_04]: oh, it's not that we don't want the swap.

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_04]: It's that it doesn't work without 90-minute episodes.

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like you've done that forever.

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_04]: What are you talking about?

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that...

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure the 40...

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I think people were so excited to see the 45 swap.

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure it made for even more compelling television than it would have been otherwise.

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_04]: However, I think you need to change it up.

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes there needs to be a swap, sometimes not.

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think the mechanics of the swap need to change every now and then.

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't forget, season 45 had...

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Luvu was such a disaster tribe that it might have forced the swap.

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And I do wonder if it's like, OK, they sort of like have like, OK, plan B that things are

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_05]: going south.

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And so like, let's swap.

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_05]: This is a crazy idea.

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Go to two tribes.

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Look, I have long said they should go from three to two to one.

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Go ahead. Try that.

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_05]: But OK, crazy stuff.

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Zoe wants to know...

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Zoe Zebra.

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Like Xanadakus?

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Did you like my interview with Zoe Xanadakus?

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_04]: What a legend, what an icon.

[01:19:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And I want her calendar.

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Bring it back.

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_04]: OK.

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_05]: What are your first impressions of Sue?

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Quiet night for Sue.

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Quiet night?

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you think so?

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like she got a little bit of a bomb, but we didn't see that much Sue.

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, see, I feel like I felt like a very strong impression of Sue after the episode,

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_04]: because I felt like everybody wanted to work with her and trust her.

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Gabe is filling her in.

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_04]: She's kind of being the wingman there.

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that Sue is in a tough spot.

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just expecting Sue to be like the star of the show.

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess so.

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that she...

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It's hard to play as an older person, because you can sometimes be stereotyped and you may not fit in.

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And we saw John is not even old, but he didn't feel like he fit in with that group.

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: So the fact that Sue picked up that gigantic puzzle piece by herself,

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_04]: that's an important step.

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of like when Janet did the fire right away to impress people.

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I think that she's doing a really good job of fitting in.

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And we saw so many people pregame wanted to work with her.

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think that she's doing very well.

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_04]: The one thing I worry about for Sue is if we do get to a tribe swap,

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_04]: and new people come into her tribe or her home, she might not like that.

[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_04]: But we'll see how it goes.

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Omer, who gets the award for most purple contestant tonight?

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_05]: The most is Saul.

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Saul?

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I was going to say Kyle.

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but at least we got a little story, his story.

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_04]: We just heard Saul talking about Rome.

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to know more about Saul and his brain control.

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so hopefully we have a long way to go to learn about Saul.

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Let me tell you about what's coming up here the rest of the week.

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_05]: We told you about the We Know Survivor feed where we've got the exit interview coming

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_05]: up on Thursday and then Survivor Know-It-Alls.

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_05]: But back again this season on Fridays, I will be taking calls from the amazing patrons of

[01:21:14] [SPEAKER_05]: RHAP.

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_05]: So Survivor Q&A is back 3 p.m. Eastern for the Survivor Q&A patrons.

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll send you out the link to call in, ask your questions with me live.

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Omer, did you catch any of those last season?

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I did not, but I would love to catch them this time.

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_05]: The patrons had great questions that you can call in live with the link.

[01:21:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Everybody can watch it and we send out the podcast episode to the patrons after the

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_05]: fact.

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Survivor Q&A coming up on Friday, the Big Brother Q&A for the patrons.

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_05]: That is actually going to be moving this week to Saturday right after the live feed update.

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Taryn and I will take your questions for the BBQ&A patrons.

[01:22:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Get the link to call in and ask your questions live.

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Then, just one of the perks you get, robinswebster.com.

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Slash patron.

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_05]: We just opened up some more tickets for our live show coming up October 16th.

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Omer, will you be there?

[01:22:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I will be there and I'm trying to get Mr. Jeff, Mr. Jonathan to come too.

[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Will he pull a car?

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Will Jonathan pull a car?

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't...

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Didn't he do that at the beach drop this past week?

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_05]: He pushed a car?

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know about this.

[01:22:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Apparently.

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Here's what's going on.

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_05]: We just opened up some additional seating.

[01:22:50] [SPEAKER_05]: robinswebster.com slash what?

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Sam, what's the link?

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_05]: NYC 47.

[01:22:59] [SPEAKER_05]: robinswebster.com slash NYC 47.

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_05]: You see what happened was, Omer, the patrons bought up a lot of the discounted tickets.

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, they do.

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_04]: They do.

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_04]: They do it all the time.

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the thing about the patrons.

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_05]: We give them the link and we say to them, okay, patrons, here's the link to the tickets.

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Here's the discounted ticket link.

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't buy up all the tickets before the people who aren't patrons yet have a chance.

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, we promise.

[01:23:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And then they lie.

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_05]: They go back on their word and they're just like, gobble them all up.

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not right.

[01:23:42] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not right.

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know what?

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_04]: They also took up all the tickets when I was trying to go to the first Toronto R-Hab.

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Know it all.

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So...

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I couldn't even go and I live here.

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_05]: So, all right.

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Sam opened up some tickets.

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_05]: They're not discounted like the patron tickets were.

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_05]: These are the...

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, they should be patrons if they want to discounted tickets.

[01:24:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, these are the regular full price tickets.

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_05]: But the good news is you can be there with us October 16th.

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be a great show.

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's a...

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_05]: We had what?

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_05]: 900 people with us last year in New York.

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_05]: So, robiswebsite.com slash NYC47.

[01:24:23] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_05]: There you go.

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Then...

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, this is huge, Omer.

[01:24:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Yesterday, we launched our brand new podcast.

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Of course, America Lopez from Big Brother 25 has a brand new podcast here on RHAB.

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Talking about The Golden Bachelorette.

[01:24:45] [SPEAKER_05]: It's the number one podcast on TV and film.

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it Angela that's going to be there?

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_05]: So, is Angela the Golden Bachelorette?

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_05]: The Golden Bachelorette.

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_05]: You have to ask America.

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay?

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_05]: So, America previewed all of the suitors of The Golden Bachelorette,

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_05]: did her first impressions with Demi Burnett.

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_05]: That podcast is up.

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_05]: You go to americatellsall.com to subscribe.

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Listen to it there.

[01:25:15] [SPEAKER_05]: It's in our We Know The Bachelor feed as well.

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And then coming up on Thursday,

[01:25:23] [SPEAKER_05]: America has a huge guest talking about the premiere of The Golden Bachelorette.

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Are we allowed to say?

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_05]: We're allowed to reveal?

[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_05]: America has a huge guest.

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if I'm allowed to say it.

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay?

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I want to know.

[01:25:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Just tease it.

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Just tease it.

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay?

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll say reality royalty.

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it Rachel Riley?

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_05]: If you want to be there for it, americatellsall.com.

[01:25:57] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[01:25:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Then somehow, how is this going to work?

[01:26:02] [SPEAKER_05]: They're going on to do the Big Brother recap right after this.

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_05]: You're going to recap the Vito episode of Big Brother

[01:26:09] [SPEAKER_05]: and you podcast with me the whole time The Big Brother was on.

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I am not caught up, but it's going to be a wild time regardless.

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[01:26:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll catch up.

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_04]: They could tell me anything and I'll believe it.

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's fine.

[01:26:25] [SPEAKER_05]: So stay tuned.

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Taron and the panel will be back in a minute with Omer.

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_05]: So join Omer for our Big Brother Vito recap right after this.

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And then Omer also wrote for, in case people don't know,

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_05]: we've got a great reality TV newsletter.

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_05]: It's called The Confessional.

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Kevin Jacobs and I came up with this idea.

[01:26:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Said, could we do like a player's tribune for reality TV stars

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_05]: where reality stars can write about the shows that they were on

[01:26:57] [SPEAKER_05]: and finally have a place where they could share their voice?

[01:27:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's what we've been working on every week.

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_05]: You can sign up for free at The Confessional.

[01:27:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_05]: RealityTVnewsletters.com.

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And Omer made a list of survivors that should get more love

[01:27:14] [SPEAKER_05]: and one of them responded to him.

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, actually.

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And one person also responded to me from the first part.

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a two-part series.

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Two-part series.

[01:27:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't forget.

[01:27:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So Kevin has been doing a lot of great work publishing my article into two installments.

[01:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[01:27:28] [SPEAKER_05]: So read the four more players.

[01:27:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Omer says need more respect.

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_05]: That's at realityTVnewsletters.com.

[01:27:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Omer, what a great job you've done on the first Survivor Post game of the season.

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for having me.

[01:27:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I had a great time for a great premiere.

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And I hope that people enjoy the season.

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think we got a great start.

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Hope Andy's doing okay.

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure a lot of people are, you know, have all of their takes and maybe not being so nice.

[01:28:01] [SPEAKER_05]: But look...

[01:28:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't listen to the haters, Andy.

[01:28:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:28:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:28:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Look, we could talk about what happened and we don't have to be mean about it.

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay?

[01:28:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And honestly, Andy made the premiere.

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was like so good because...

[01:28:17] [SPEAKER_04]: He's this like...

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Joseph thought he was the star of the show.

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Andy truly is.

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, agreed.

[01:28:24] [SPEAKER_04]: 100%.

[01:28:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_04]: 100%.

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Omer, where can people follow you?

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_04]: People can follow me on Instagram at ozahir24 or Twitter at omerzahirdvm.

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Or if you have an exotic pet, you can come to see me in Newmarket and I will treat it.

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:28:43] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it would be a treat for them.

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, they don't like to come to me.

[01:28:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And then...

[01:28:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you want a thermometer up your butt?

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_05]: It's time to wrap it up.

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_05]: But to our amazing community of listeners, I love to read your comments every week on these episodes.

[01:29:05] [SPEAKER_05]: So keep them coming.

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Love to hear what you're thinking about the podcast.

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_05]: How we could be doing even better.

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_05]: What you're liking, maybe even if you're polite, tell us what you're not liking too.

[01:29:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Help us get better and we appreciate your comments.

[01:29:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you so much.

[01:29:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Take care, everybody.

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Have a good one.

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Bye.