Maryanne Oketch Recaps Survivor 47 Ep 5

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[00:01:08] Hello everyone and welcome to IHAP's coverage of Survivor 47 for the post-game show. I am not Rob. Rob is in New York. Every person alive is in New York except for the two people on this podcast apparently. It is me, Shannon Gus, your fill-in host for the post-game show and the wonderful winner of Survivor 42, my very best friend and soulmate, Marianne.

[00:01:30] Thank you for being here. Oh, thank you for having me. I feel like you have a better excuse about not being in New York, you know?

[00:01:36] My excuse is that like, oh, I can't miss school. Like, I should have skipped school to go, but then I wouldn't be here with you. So actually, I think I made the best decision for both of us.

[00:01:46] You didn't. You definitely didn't.

[00:01:48] I think I did. I'm having a good time, but you should be in New York.

[00:01:51] No, it's all good. I'm so happy to be here with you. I'm very excited to talk about this episode with you. We're going to have such a great time and the New Yorkers won't even know what they're missing.

[00:02:00] Yeah, good. This is where the party is at. So I should have said almost Dr. Marianne O'Keshe just years to go, right?

[00:02:06] No, I think I did the math. I'm around like 5% of a doctor at this point. So not almost, like not even barely, like minusculely.

[00:02:16] You can work on like a pinky finger. Is that how that works? You just build up the body.

[00:02:20] I can't, but I can take a history. So I can like, I can take a history. If you ask me what your complaint is, I can do that. But everything else, useless.

[00:02:28] Well, let's do that after the podcast. Well, let's talk about the episode. Marianne, how's the feeling? The pre-emerge is done. Huge blindside for Anika. The reaction was felt. It was palpable. How are you feeling about it?

[00:02:41] Oh, overall episode. I think it was a fun episode. I had a good time. It was good survivor. I had fun, smile on my face. And I feel as if like with Anika, we really just like saw what every player feels like when they get voted out.

[00:02:57] But we saw it externally because that's how every player feels like their dreams are crushed. You're shot, you're blind, you're blindsided, you're shell shocked and don't know what to do.

[00:03:06] Like, I'm so sad because that emotion was so, so raw, but I genuinely think it was a very good episode.

[00:03:11] What about you, Shannon? Yeah, I feel like in the edit, it was pretty clear to me that Andy would stay.

[00:03:16] Like, was so invested in his story. He gave the opportunity to articulate and narrate all of his moves and strategic thoughts.

[00:03:24] And Anika did feel like she had a bit of a pre-emerge edit. So in the edit, I felt like it was clear.

[00:03:28] In saying that, I was still compelled. Like, I was still tense watching it.

[00:03:32] But if you think about it in actuality on the beach, what has happened in this pre-emerge, Andy's, you know, resurrection, basically.

[00:03:39] Which was like rock bottom to make it through two tribal councils and a tribe flip where he's in a good spot.

[00:03:45] In actuality on the island, edit aside, is insane. And that really like lends weight to the blind side.

[00:03:51] And like in this pre-emerge, both tribes that went to tribal council had a full on tribe flip,

[00:03:56] which is because I went to two tribal councils. So the two that had an opportunity to flip the tribe did.

[00:04:02] And I think, you know, this was fun and the chickens are funny and all the dynamics.

[00:04:06] So I think this was a pretty fun pre-emerge.

[00:04:08] Yeah, I think it was a good pre-emerge. I think it was great.

[00:04:11] I think that the pre-emerge really showed that timing in the new era when you have shorter cycles,

[00:04:17] that when you're able to find your footing, you still can go and not be dead in the water, you know?

[00:04:23] Because if they went to tribal on day five, like the second tribal,

[00:04:27] Andy would have probably been dead in the water because he had that time to go make those bonds,

[00:04:31] get in with Sierra and Sam.

[00:04:33] He really is in a, I actually think that he's actually going into merge in a better position

[00:04:38] than Sam and Sierra. So look how the turntables.

[00:04:42] I mean, yeah, their names are out there.

[00:04:44] Yes.

[00:04:45] He kind of has no threat level on him based on the way people see him.

[00:04:48] He has a connection with Teenie and Caroline possibly with the amulet connection

[00:04:52] and has his own allies on Goddard. He's in a good spot.

[00:04:56] But how do we look at this from Sam and Sierra's perspective?

[00:04:59] They're like the key makers. They're making the decision.

[00:05:01] And this reminded me so much of Maria and Charlie in the final episode of last season,

[00:05:06] which they had just seen before they went out to swing votes.

[00:05:09] This man and woman who are between gendered alliances where the interests are slightly different.

[00:05:14] They have actually very different, especially in this case, they have different bonds.

[00:05:18] And I think here it was even clearer.

[00:05:19] Like in 46, I feel like Charlie was maybe like more in with the women and they kind of had bonds across the aisle

[00:05:25] and it wasn't like a clear pair.

[00:05:26] Like this, like the structure of the tribe seems really cemented from our point of view.

[00:05:30] And they have these differing intentions where Sierra is close with the women and Sam,

[00:05:35] where Sam is, you know, a believable name for the woman because he's on the bottom

[00:05:39] and barely in with them for women.

[00:05:41] Yes.

[00:05:41] Pitching a women's alliance with the broader group at the social hour.

[00:05:45] So their interests are so diverged.

[00:05:47] How do you look at the decision that they came up with here?

[00:05:50] Oh my goodness.

[00:05:50] So I'm going to chat a little bit less about Sam because I do think this was the best decision for Sam.

[00:05:55] I want to speak more about Sierra and her decision.

[00:05:58] And I actually feel as if the decision that was made was best if she wants Sam to be her number one.

[00:06:07] Because I do think that going into merge, Anika has a higher chance of throwing Sam under the bus than a jilted Rachel,

[00:06:16] especially since it's like a lot of times if you were just blindsided.

[00:06:20] Yeah, there's a chance that maybe people will go and work with you.

[00:06:23] But we've also seen, at least we have hindsight from 46, that there's a chance that if you're recently blindsided,

[00:06:28] you can be the sacrificial lamb.

[00:06:30] That's what happened to Mariah in 46.

[00:06:33] So I really do think that Sierra now is coming in.

[00:06:36] Andy's going to work with her.

[00:06:37] Sam's going to work with her.

[00:06:38] They're a strong three.

[00:06:40] And then also they're going to be have like a better way in that merge as a strong three,

[00:06:45] rather than if Andy was voted out.

[00:06:47] Anika now is a little bit more leveraged because like if you use that,

[00:06:50] oh, Sam and Sierra together, Anika goes and flips.

[00:06:53] I really do think that Sam would be more danger in the next vote.

[00:06:56] If he was assuming if it's the same as before, if he was not safe, then how he is now.

[00:07:02] Yeah.

[00:07:02] Sam would be screwed if they had voted out Andy.

[00:07:05] Like, I feel like Sam in like the working relationship with Sierra,

[00:07:08] where the most important thing is they stick together.

[00:07:10] It was the same with Charlie and Maria.

[00:07:12] Like they want to be, they have to make each other happy.

[00:07:14] They have to come to a conclusion where one will make a sacrifice.

[00:07:16] Yeah.

[00:07:16] Working relationship.

[00:07:17] And two things I think give Sam the leverage.

[00:07:20] The first being he's in a really bad spot if Andy goes.

[00:07:23] Like he's in a good spot now, even though his name is out there,

[00:07:26] but he's in a position where if they go back to tribal council,

[00:07:29] which is highly unlikely, highly likely they would merge.

[00:07:31] They still have to lose a challenge.

[00:07:33] But if they do it, he's straight up gone.

[00:07:34] Has no idol.

[00:07:35] Yeah.

[00:07:36] And he also like, I think, yeah,

[00:07:38] for the merge would be completely cut by Anika and Rachel,

[00:07:41] who again are already talking about Rachel is, you know,

[00:07:43] a women's alliance in the social hours.

[00:07:45] So he's in a really bad spot and Sierra has to consider parts of that.

[00:07:49] The other part of leverage I think he has is like,

[00:07:51] he has the idol and he's not going to like really threaten or give an

[00:07:55] ultimatum to.

[00:07:56] Yeah.

[00:07:57] I can just play the idol because that would sever that relationship and

[00:08:00] keeping Andy isn't worth severing the relationship.

[00:08:03] But he does bring a little bit more to the discussion when he's talking

[00:08:08] about it,

[00:08:08] because he has that power where he could just save Andy.

[00:08:11] He wouldn't.

[00:08:11] No one would take it that far,

[00:08:12] that extreme to go against Sierra's wishes,

[00:08:14] but let's not go by principles of what we do.

[00:08:20] But I think he has that kind of thing where Sierra,

[00:08:23] you know,

[00:08:24] she's in a good spot now.

[00:08:25] Like she did lose one,

[00:08:27] possibly two allies.

[00:08:28] Rachel might be out the door,

[00:08:30] but she's kept it good with her number one in Sam.

[00:08:33] Andy does want to work with her.

[00:08:34] So I think that to Sierra's credit,

[00:08:36] because everyone in the tribe wanted to work with her.

[00:08:38] She goes from like a great spot to a good spot.

[00:08:41] Exactly.

[00:08:42] Sam would have gone from like a good spot,

[00:08:43] which he is in now,

[00:08:44] where if they didn't go with what he wanted,

[00:08:45] he's in a bad spot.

[00:08:46] And I think that is the difference.

[00:08:48] Yep.

[00:08:48] I agree with you.

[00:08:49] And I also think that Rachel being a fan of the game,

[00:08:51] if Sierra goes back to camp and it's like,

[00:08:53] Hey,

[00:08:54] I want to work with you.

[00:08:55] I just didn't want to work with Anika.

[00:08:57] You and I are still a good thing.

[00:08:58] We can still have that girl thing.

[00:08:59] I still think that Rachel,

[00:09:02] like that all of Brad just there,

[00:09:03] because it's like,

[00:09:03] you know,

[00:09:04] these people,

[00:09:04] you'd like these people.

[00:09:05] And are you going to go jump ship to be maybe in the bottom of an

[00:09:09] alliance that you don't know about when you have someone who on

[00:09:11] your tribe that is still willing to work with you?

[00:09:14] It just feels like a little,

[00:09:15] like it doesn't,

[00:09:16] it feels a little spiteful and not that strategic.

[00:09:18] It's like,

[00:09:19] if Sierra then extend that olive branch to just ditch her because it's

[00:09:22] like,

[00:09:22] no,

[00:09:22] you voted me out.

[00:09:23] And I don't think that Rachel is that type of player who doesn't

[00:09:26] go and you,

[00:09:27] who,

[00:09:27] who would go and burn that strategy just for the sake of,

[00:09:31] of feelings jilted.

[00:09:33] Yeah.

[00:09:33] Yeah.

[00:09:33] Rachel's a smart player and she wouldn't do it for an emotionality.

[00:09:36] We see like Sue's doing that as an example,

[00:09:38] like when,

[00:09:38] cause Kyle put her name down,

[00:09:39] but I do think Rachel will go where the going is good.

[00:09:42] Yes.

[00:09:43] Cause she's a smart player.

[00:09:44] So it's like,

[00:09:44] yes,

[00:09:44] she will make good with Sierra if it serves her,

[00:09:48] but that could,

[00:09:49] you know,

[00:09:49] that could not.

[00:09:49] And we see that she has other relationships at the social hour,

[00:09:52] which could be more prominent pretty quickly.

[00:09:54] So yeah,

[00:09:55] I think that,

[00:09:56] you know,

[00:09:56] it's a tough one for Sierra.

[00:09:58] Yeah.

[00:09:58] Or Sam,

[00:09:59] because whoever loses will be very reliant on the other person.

[00:10:02] Like if Sam had lost Andy,

[00:10:04] he would have been completely 100% reliant on Sierra with nothing else.

[00:10:08] And now that Sarah has lost Annika again,

[00:10:11] like she might be able to connect with Rachel,

[00:10:13] but I think that's up in the air.

[00:10:14] She doesn't super trust Andy.

[00:10:16] So while I say it was a great,

[00:10:17] to a good position,

[00:10:18] maybe great to like a moderate position because yeah,

[00:10:20] that power flip of who controls that dynamic is now really,

[00:10:24] really clear.

[00:10:24] And Sam got the win on that.

[00:10:26] And I,

[00:10:26] and I don't like fault Sierra for having to go.

[00:10:29] Cause I think they have to make a decision together where one of them is going to lose out,

[00:10:34] but she was one who lost out.

[00:10:37] And that is a loss compared to Sam getting a major win here.

[00:10:40] Exactly.

[00:10:41] I think it's a loss,

[00:10:42] but I also think that knowing what we saw in the sanctuary,

[00:10:45] how Caroline is so keen on getting a girl's thing going on,

[00:10:48] it's a loss,

[00:10:50] but I feel as if like,

[00:10:51] it's not like she's like dead in the water.

[00:10:53] Like I feel as if,

[00:10:54] if people were going into this merge and then everyone's like,

[00:10:58] we have to break up Sierra and Sam.

[00:11:00] I still think they're going to go for Sam first rather than Sierra.

[00:11:03] I think Sierra still has enough protections that she's still in a decent spot where it's not like

[00:11:09] she's completely out dead in the water.

[00:11:12] Yeah.

[00:11:12] Yeah.

[00:11:13] I would definitely say,

[00:11:14] you know,

[00:11:15] she's got,

[00:11:15] again,

[00:11:16] like she's in an okay spot,

[00:11:17] but it could have been even better,

[00:11:18] but they have to compromise.

[00:11:20] You know,

[00:11:20] that's what all relationships are about.

[00:11:22] I'd love to talk about Andy going to the women.

[00:11:26] Yes.

[00:11:27] Saying I'm on the bottom.

[00:11:28] I need a name.

[00:11:28] And who throws out Sam's name?

[00:11:30] Sierra does.

[00:11:31] Mm-hmm.

[00:11:32] This was my biggest criticism of Sierra in this episode.

[00:11:35] Like,

[00:11:35] what are you doing throwing out Sam's name?

[00:11:37] You know,

[00:11:38] like there's no threat of shot in the dark because you know,

[00:11:40] Andy has a name.

[00:11:42] It's Annika.

[00:11:43] And he might not even need the name.

[00:11:45] Be like,

[00:11:45] you're not even like worried about a shot in the dark.

[00:11:47] He might not even be the vote.

[00:11:48] So like,

[00:11:48] let Rachel and Annika deal with this issue.

[00:11:52] I thought from,

[00:11:53] from all of them,

[00:11:54] how did you think this was played where they give,

[00:11:57] they give Sam's name so that he doesn't play shot in the dark?

[00:12:01] One thing,

[00:12:02] and I'm just going to say it.

[00:12:04] Some people might feel that there's pushback,

[00:12:05] but I feel as if Andy was given too much credit for,

[00:12:09] I'm letting these women go and give strategy.

[00:12:12] If you're playing survivor,

[00:12:13] you're always going to give your target another name just to make sure that they feel comfortable.

[00:12:19] Like that's just basic survivor one-on-one.

[00:12:21] If you're trying to go and vote someone out,

[00:12:23] you give,

[00:12:23] you're not going to sit down and be like,

[00:12:24] I don't know.

[00:12:25] Best of luck.

[00:12:26] You're going to give them a name.

[00:12:27] And so,

[00:12:28] and it makes sense that Sam is the most realistic name.

[00:12:31] Cause you know,

[00:12:31] it feels like the girls are there.

[00:12:32] So you're going to go through on the bottom.

[00:12:34] He's the realistic game.

[00:12:36] Exactly.

[00:12:36] That's why he needs to flip.

[00:12:37] Yeah.

[00:12:38] So I think,

[00:12:39] so I think,

[00:12:40] so for Andy,

[00:12:41] I think a plus is that he exactly read what his situation was.

[00:12:45] And I think that he played being on the pursued bottom.

[00:12:48] So perfectly the,

[00:12:50] please just,

[00:12:51] I just give me a move.

[00:12:52] Just give me a move.

[00:12:53] I think that was great.

[00:12:53] I want to talk about what he said in tribal when Jeff said the weed to the me,

[00:12:58] which was a lot.

[00:12:59] I know.

[00:13:00] So much.

[00:13:01] We,

[00:13:01] I'm just,

[00:13:02] I made like a bathroom joke about the we and the,

[00:13:06] you know,

[00:13:06] I need people to go like that joke because it was uncomfortable for me to

[00:13:10] make it.

[00:13:10] And I feel like I need people to like it,

[00:13:12] to validate the choice.

[00:13:14] I like it.

[00:13:14] Yeah.

[00:13:15] Well,

[00:13:15] I think that Andy,

[00:13:17] so many flowers goes to Andy to be like,

[00:13:19] well,

[00:13:19] this vote for me is that I'm trying to be a part of the we and the people

[00:13:23] who I talked about,

[00:13:24] like it was the perfect thing to send to the girls to be like,

[00:13:26] yes,

[00:13:27] I'm voting for Sam.

[00:13:28] I want to be a part of your we.

[00:13:30] Like he played being on the pursued.

[00:13:32] Like that is perfect.

[00:13:33] He played it so well.

[00:13:34] He wasn't paranoid.

[00:13:35] He did everything he needed to do.

[00:13:37] And I think that when you know your name is out there,

[00:13:40] and even if you know people are working on your side,

[00:13:42] it is still nerve wracking to be able to play that so effortlessly.

[00:13:46] And he did it so well.

[00:13:48] And I think that he deserves flowers.

[00:13:51] Like he deserves flowers for that acting.

[00:13:53] We don't give flowers on this podcast,

[00:13:54] but we will give cheesy points.

[00:13:56] So you can honor him there if you want to,

[00:13:57] but I'm going to say something radical.

[00:13:58] And if someone has played and won the game and I'm just on my couch

[00:14:01] being,

[00:14:02] yeah,

[00:14:02] you know,

[00:14:02] I don't know anything.

[00:14:03] So you can do that.

[00:14:04] You know,

[00:14:05] stuff,

[00:14:05] you know,

[00:14:05] we're always going to give someone a name.

[00:14:07] Two episodes in a row.

[00:14:08] Like,

[00:14:09] you know,

[00:14:09] people don't like the name,

[00:14:10] the decoy to the decoy.

[00:14:11] I mean,

[00:14:11] you do have to give like to someone like Rome.

[00:14:13] Yeah.

[00:14:14] Pretending to work with him.

[00:14:15] And,

[00:14:15] but like here,

[00:14:15] so here the threat is,

[00:14:18] but firstly,

[00:14:18] I don't think you should be the one to suggest a name.

[00:14:20] You know,

[00:14:20] the way Keyshawn did that.

[00:14:21] I don't think Sierra,

[00:14:23] like it didn't come back to bite her,

[00:14:24] but I don't get why.

[00:14:25] But even for like Annika and Rachel,

[00:14:27] the threat is that Andy will,

[00:14:29] might play his shot in the dark.

[00:14:31] And you're going to give a name.

[00:14:32] You need Sam's vote.

[00:14:33] Annika doesn't have a vote.

[00:14:34] So you need that as a third.

[00:14:35] Also knowing that he has an idol,

[00:14:37] like Sam has all the power and you just throw out his name.

[00:14:39] Cause it is almost believable because he is on the bottom.

[00:14:42] It's not what burned them.

[00:14:43] It's not why Annika goes home,

[00:14:44] but I just want to be radical to say,

[00:14:46] maybe you're like,

[00:14:46] I don't know Andy.

[00:14:47] And you're like clearly vague.

[00:14:49] And maybe he does play Sean the dark.

[00:14:51] And then 84% chance it hits.

[00:14:54] And then even if it hits to Sam that has to play his idol.

[00:14:56] And if he doesn't play his idol,

[00:14:57] they think Sierra maybe votes out Sam anyway.

[00:15:00] Like it feels like the odds that it'll bite you are small.

[00:15:03] And it would be so unfortunate.

[00:15:04] It would be such an unfortunate way to go,

[00:15:05] but I'm just really seeing people get burned on putting out names.

[00:15:08] And they put out the name of the person who held so many cards in this

[00:15:12] tribal council.

[00:15:12] And again,

[00:15:13] it wasn't the reason that Annika went home,

[00:15:15] but putting out that name is probably indicative of the relationship

[00:15:17] gaps that made this necessary for Sam.

[00:15:19] So is there anything there or like,

[00:15:21] is that,

[00:15:22] you know,

[00:15:22] too scary?

[00:15:24] Hmm.

[00:15:25] I like where you're going with this.

[00:15:27] I do.

[00:15:29] Because that's what you should say.

[00:15:30] You should keep it vague.

[00:15:31] I like where you're going.

[00:15:33] I'm going to tell you why I like where you're going with this,

[00:15:36] because let's say the,

[00:15:38] let's say that you are trying to have a united front.

[00:15:41] You feel as if a merger or swap is coming to have a united front.

[00:15:45] There can't be names being thrown left and right.

[00:15:47] You just need to vote unanimously.

[00:15:49] And you need to let the person.

[00:15:51] And that's why I think Andy played it well,

[00:15:53] because you need to let the person who's on the bottom,

[00:15:55] put that name out.

[00:15:56] What I'm thinking of right now was when I was going to tribal and I knew

[00:16:02] Mariah was throwing my name out.

[00:16:04] And we were all thinking Mariah in that sense.

[00:16:07] It's like,

[00:16:07] no one like it's a Jonathan or Lindsay didn't say my name.

[00:16:10] It was Mariah who already had that name out.

[00:16:12] So they're like,

[00:16:12] okay,

[00:16:13] sure.

[00:16:13] We'll go with it.

[00:16:14] And then Andy.

[00:16:15] Exactly.

[00:16:16] Exactly.

[00:16:16] And I also knew,

[00:16:17] okay,

[00:16:18] my name is out there.

[00:16:19] And I'm like,

[00:16:19] well,

[00:16:20] do I want to play aggressively for the shot in the dark?

[00:16:22] But there's that focus on unity where it's like,

[00:16:24] okay,

[00:16:24] we're going to be a united front.

[00:16:26] So I'm not going to play protectively.

[00:16:27] Right.

[00:16:28] So for me,

[00:16:30] I think that let's say with the girls saying,

[00:16:32] we're going to go with Sam,

[00:16:33] but the girls are talking to Sam and be like,

[00:16:35] Hey,

[00:16:35] we're saying your name because it's realistic,

[00:16:37] but we're obviously going for Andy.

[00:16:39] And then,

[00:16:40] and then you can say we're saying your name because it's realistic though,

[00:16:44] because I think he'd be like,

[00:16:45] yes,

[00:16:45] it is.

[00:16:46] That's my problem.

[00:16:47] Yeah.

[00:16:48] But I feel so close to merge.

[00:16:50] The thought isn't that the thought isn't like,

[00:16:53] Oh,

[00:16:54] we're saying your name because you're on the bottom.

[00:16:56] The thought is that we're going in united.

[00:16:59] And when we go in a swap,

[00:17:01] we're reunited and we're not going to break up with each other.

[00:17:03] So if we have to cannibalize yourself,

[00:17:05] ourselves,

[00:17:06] that's a problem.

[00:17:07] But because we feel that emerges so close,

[00:17:09] it's not a problem.

[00:17:11] It's like,

[00:17:11] if you're in a strong alliance of four,

[00:17:13] like for example,

[00:17:14] like if you're in a strong alliance of four and you feel like a swap is

[00:17:17] coming and you know,

[00:17:18] you're number four,

[00:17:19] it doesn't matter when you swap because you guys are all four together.

[00:17:22] You're not going to go and vote that four out.

[00:17:25] It's only if you have to vote each other out.

[00:17:27] It's like,

[00:17:27] it's like the black widow brigade.

[00:17:29] It's not like they would,

[00:17:29] they only turned on each other when they had to turn on each other.

[00:17:32] Right.

[00:17:32] So I don't think it's actually bad.

[00:17:34] I think it would have been bad.

[00:17:36] If Sam's name was actually written down by someone other than Andy.

[00:17:41] But I think when a merge is so close throwing up someone's name,

[00:17:44] if you're thinking it's a United front,

[00:17:46] I think,

[00:17:47] and you left and you give them that heads up,

[00:17:49] I think isn't that bad of a decision.

[00:17:51] If it was maybe one or two tribals ago,

[00:17:54] I think that's not as good because there's still games to be played.

[00:17:57] There's still tribals to be made in that group format,

[00:18:00] but they,

[00:18:00] they can smell a merge.

[00:18:02] And so I,

[00:18:03] I'm actually going to go and like respectfully,

[00:18:05] I see where you're coming from.

[00:18:07] And I think that in some situations it's bad,

[00:18:08] but I think that it's okay.

[00:18:10] In this situation,

[00:18:11] it was okay for me.

[00:18:13] Yeah.

[00:18:13] They can smell a merge based on the fact that the new era is structured,

[00:18:16] you know,

[00:18:17] so similarly every season.

[00:18:18] And so they can,

[00:18:19] they can tell in that lack of flexibility that that is coming.

[00:18:22] But I think like Genevieve doesn't even like being the decoy of the decoy.

[00:18:25] You know,

[00:18:26] people hate hearing their name.

[00:18:28] And yeah,

[00:18:29] I think I just,

[00:18:30] it's the interesting part is like,

[00:18:31] they might've seen some threat to them,

[00:18:32] but idol aside,

[00:18:34] and maybe they think Andy hitting a shot in the dark triggers Sam to play

[00:18:37] the idol on himself.

[00:18:38] And I don't know if they know that it's a one tribal idol,

[00:18:41] but actually Andy hitting a shot in the dark,

[00:18:43] they would think might be of most concern to Sam could be voted out at a

[00:18:48] zero zero re-vote.

[00:18:49] So you'd have to go to him to be like,

[00:18:50] Hey,

[00:18:51] we have to tell him your name to save you.

[00:18:53] So he doesn't play his shot in the dark,

[00:18:54] but then you can't say to save you because it's like,

[00:18:56] you're the person we would get rid of.

[00:18:57] Like you're acceptable to us.

[00:18:59] So I think that like the clarity of those dynamics is a bit of the

[00:19:02] issue.

[00:19:02] And then they out that.

[00:19:03] And that's what's interesting to me is during the first tribal council

[00:19:07] with John,

[00:19:08] they do give John a name,

[00:19:09] but they don't go out of their way to like split a vote on Andy in case,

[00:19:12] you know,

[00:19:12] Andy and John are working together or Andy's going to try and,

[00:19:15] and throw a vote in case John plays a shot in the dark and it hits.

[00:19:19] So I think that they were worried,

[00:19:21] but they didn't seem that worried.

[00:19:22] Whereas like they invested so much into it in this episode.

[00:19:25] And I feel like kind of gave Sam like even more cause to turn,

[00:19:29] even though that wasn't the reason,

[00:19:30] how do you look at it?

[00:19:32] Like in terms of,

[00:19:33] you know,

[00:19:33] Andy or Sam,

[00:19:34] like when we get to the chizzy,

[00:19:35] it might be an interesting conversation.

[00:19:36] Like who's the big winner tonight,

[00:19:39] you know,

[00:19:39] who's getting your catch of the day is that we'll get to it.

[00:19:42] But that's a Sean Brian special.

[00:19:45] Who was like the,

[00:19:47] the major player here between the two of them.

[00:19:49] You see,

[00:19:50] for me,

[00:19:51] Sam was never going home at this tribal,

[00:19:54] you know?

[00:19:55] So like,

[00:19:56] it was more like Sam choosing being in the power position that,

[00:20:01] you know,

[00:20:02] Anika and Rachel didn't know about.

[00:20:03] So Sam was never going home.

[00:20:05] So really for me was like,

[00:20:06] is Andy going to play it perfectly?

[00:20:09] Because I'm telling you,

[00:20:10] if Andy went into that track,

[00:20:12] like after they lost and like,

[00:20:13] was like,

[00:20:14] I don't know what to do.

[00:20:14] Oh my goodness.

[00:20:15] It's so bad.

[00:20:15] Let's freak out.

[00:20:16] And freaked out.

[00:20:17] They would,

[00:20:18] there was a very high chance that Andy would have gone home.

[00:20:20] He still was on that hot seat.

[00:20:22] And I really do think that since like Sam has been like in that center

[00:20:27] episode of like epicenter of the tribe.

[00:20:29] But I do think that Andy really has,

[00:20:32] he solidified,

[00:20:33] he has an alliance that is solidified now.

[00:20:35] And that's what he needed.

[00:20:37] Yeah.

[00:20:37] I think it's very mutual.

[00:20:38] Like they both benefit.

[00:20:39] It doesn't feel like either one is really pulling the other over.

[00:20:42] Like it's so kind of even in that way.

[00:20:44] And I feel like Sam,

[00:20:45] you know,

[00:20:45] he was in the position to really build into a good spot,

[00:20:49] made like,

[00:20:50] you know,

[00:20:50] a good choice isn't as good a spot as he can be.

[00:20:52] And so was Andy,

[00:20:53] but I just feel like,

[00:20:55] you know,

[00:20:55] Sam's really been building that and doing well with it.

[00:20:57] And I'd probably,

[00:20:58] you know,

[00:20:58] credit him as the big winner tonight.

[00:20:59] But yeah,

[00:21:00] you know,

[00:21:00] I have to credit Andy where again,

[00:21:02] from that mat,

[00:21:03] which was like,

[00:21:04] again,

[00:21:04] rock bottom,

[00:21:06] I can't fault anything other than like the fact that he falls off boats

[00:21:09] and like uses the wrong side of the spear,

[00:21:11] which is unimportant to me.

[00:21:13] Like even the way that Andy talks about it in confessional,

[00:21:15] he's like,

[00:21:15] I'm not good at challenges.

[00:21:16] I can vibe with that.

[00:21:17] I'm like,

[00:21:17] yeah,

[00:21:18] neither.

[00:21:18] But I like how your work.

[00:21:20] I wouldn't be.

[00:21:20] I like how you're,

[00:21:21] you're,

[00:21:22] you know,

[00:21:22] working it strategically.

[00:21:23] And I don't think he's put a foot wrong strategically.

[00:21:25] I think he's been subtle.

[00:21:26] I think he's been intentional.

[00:21:27] I think he's been deliberate building on it the whole time.

[00:21:29] I think Sam got Sierra across more than Andy did.

[00:21:32] And I think that's probably why I'd credit Sam,

[00:21:34] like kind of most in that way.

[00:21:35] But the work that Andy and Sam have done together,

[00:21:38] like,

[00:21:38] I think he's been pretty exceptional.

[00:21:40] And I think that,

[00:21:42] you know,

[00:21:42] this is the redemption arc and,

[00:21:43] and,

[00:21:44] and like Standy's rise.

[00:21:45] Cause I'm excited about it for him.

[00:21:46] Yeah.

[00:21:47] I think it's great.

[00:21:47] Like,

[00:21:48] I think I'm excited to see what Sam does,

[00:21:49] especially with different people,

[00:21:50] but I'm proud of Andy.

[00:21:52] Does that make sense?

[00:21:53] Yeah.

[00:21:53] I'm really proud of Andy.

[00:21:54] I don't know what it is.

[00:21:55] Like the sense of like,

[00:21:56] you know,

[00:21:57] pride for Andy.

[00:21:58] He was someone I barely know,

[00:21:59] but yeah,

[00:22:00] I was saying as we close off from what is it?

[00:22:03] I'm so bad.

[00:22:03] Gotta tribe.

[00:22:04] Yeah.

[00:22:05] I do want to go.

[00:22:06] And I do want to bully gotta tribe just a little bit.

[00:22:09] Okay.

[00:22:10] Leave.

[00:22:10] If you are going to an immunity challenge,

[00:22:14] you always start a fire.

[00:22:16] Like that's just the,

[00:22:17] like it's,

[00:22:17] it should be a no brainer.

[00:22:18] When they said,

[00:22:19] this is the only day we didn't start a fire.

[00:22:20] I'm like,

[00:22:21] what are you thinking?

[00:22:22] And before every challenge,

[00:22:23] we always started a fire.

[00:22:24] Then we put a big log on it.

[00:22:26] So they were embers.

[00:22:27] So if we lost our Flint,

[00:22:28] we would still have fire.

[00:22:30] So I am baffled about why they did not start a fire on that day.

[00:22:35] When there was a challenge.

[00:22:36] Like I,

[00:22:37] I'm genuinely like baffled.

[00:22:39] That's the one thing where I'm like,

[00:22:40] guys look,

[00:22:41] and they knew they were going to negotiate for eggs as well,

[00:22:43] too.

[00:22:44] So that makes it even more baffling to me.

[00:22:46] If you knew you were going to negotiate for eggs,

[00:22:48] why wouldn't you make sure you can cook your eggs?

[00:22:51] Yeah.

[00:22:51] Well,

[00:22:52] there's a lot of questions.

[00:22:53] Jenny tweeted this.

[00:22:54] They counted that Jenny autumn tweeted.

[00:22:55] They counted their chickens.

[00:22:56] They counted their chickens.

[00:22:58] Really did.

[00:22:59] And I think,

[00:22:59] you know,

[00:22:59] look,

[00:23:00] the breadwinners have been crushing it.

[00:23:01] So I would also be like,

[00:23:02] yeah,

[00:23:02] we'll just make the fire after we come back and win.

[00:23:04] Didn't account for some of the Andy factor.

[00:23:06] Yes.

[00:23:07] But I want to talk a little bit about the chickens because.

[00:23:10] Yes.

[00:23:11] This was,

[00:23:11] this was so funny.

[00:23:12] I'm like,

[00:23:12] I'm so happy for the chickens,

[00:23:14] honestly.

[00:23:14] Like I'm always rooting for the chickens.

[00:23:16] Yeah.

[00:23:17] I'm glad that they did.

[00:23:19] And I tweeted this like weaponized incompetence from the chickens to earn their freedom by never laying eggs.

[00:23:24] Like what an incredible,

[00:23:26] incredible job by the chickens to do nothing,

[00:23:31] which was good.

[00:23:32] Be like,

[00:23:32] no,

[00:23:32] I'm not serving you.

[00:23:33] And now they've been returned to Jeff.

[00:23:35] I think that is wonderful.

[00:23:36] I,

[00:23:38] and I'm a little biased here.

[00:23:39] Okay.

[00:23:40] Being someone who has previously caught and killed and prepared a chicken.

[00:23:44] Yeah.

[00:23:44] I know.

[00:23:45] You didn't know this about me,

[00:23:46] Shannon,

[00:23:46] until now.

[00:23:47] I think that is what content.

[00:23:48] Do I want to know that?

[00:23:50] Or like,

[00:23:50] no.

[00:23:50] So when I was in,

[00:23:51] like when I'm in Kenya,

[00:23:52] right.

[00:23:52] And like the,

[00:23:53] like in the village,

[00:23:54] like where like my parents were like raised and my dad was from,

[00:23:57] they have wild chickens.

[00:23:58] And when you go and someone,

[00:24:00] I mean,

[00:24:00] visit,

[00:24:00] they'll go and they'll catch a chicken and kill it.

[00:24:02] Like that's food.

[00:24:04] And when you're going to emerge,

[00:24:05] you have to eat the food.

[00:24:07] So I'm actually baffled.

[00:24:09] They're like,

[00:24:10] why wouldn't you eat the food?

[00:24:11] That's protein and energy that could feed you next.

[00:24:13] They're talking about like that,

[00:24:15] like that could have been the energy that pushed them.

[00:24:17] I was,

[00:24:17] and I was talking with Omar about this.

[00:24:18] I'm like,

[00:24:19] if we had chickens,

[00:24:20] cause Omar was like,

[00:24:21] I wouldn't kill the chickens.

[00:24:22] And I was going to be like,

[00:24:23] Omar,

[00:24:24] as soon as you went.

[00:24:26] No.

[00:24:26] And I was like,

[00:24:27] as soon as you went on a walk,

[00:24:28] Omar,

[00:24:29] Jonathan and I would have killed that chicken.

[00:24:31] And Lindsay's a dietician.

[00:24:33] So she would be like,

[00:24:34] you would come back from your walk and the chicken would be dead.

[00:24:37] And it would be boiling on that pot.

[00:24:39] Okay.

[00:24:40] Like I,

[00:24:41] I really,

[00:24:42] really traumatized.

[00:24:43] I'm really glad you guys didn't win chickens.

[00:24:46] No,

[00:24:46] I even said in casting,

[00:24:48] I'm like,

[00:24:48] don't put me on a tribe with people who care about the chickens.

[00:24:50] Cause the chicken's going to die with or without them.

[00:24:53] And the great thing,

[00:24:54] Jonathan's going to get on my side,

[00:24:55] that protein.

[00:24:57] Like you're going to save the heads.

[00:24:59] The heads are going to be killed anyways.

[00:25:01] You're just,

[00:25:01] and just being killed behind your back.

[00:25:03] This is the most eating chicken.

[00:25:04] Wait,

[00:25:05] you don't think they got killed by Jeff.

[00:25:07] You think,

[00:25:07] I think they got released.

[00:25:08] No,

[00:25:09] they earned their freedom.

[00:25:12] No,

[00:25:13] these,

[00:25:13] this is the most ethical way to eat meat.

[00:25:16] You are killing your own food and processing them.

[00:25:18] I am team kill the chickens.

[00:25:20] Okay.

[00:25:20] And I don't know how Sam has more peace than me because they would have been no

[00:25:25] way,

[00:25:26] no way on that tribe.

[00:25:27] If I am on that tribe,

[00:25:29] that the chickens,

[00:25:30] I would kill it in the night.

[00:25:31] I would kill it in the night and be like,

[00:25:32] Oh my gosh,

[00:25:33] it died in the night.

[00:25:34] Peacefully.

[00:25:35] Let's go and kill those chickens.

[00:25:36] I get so heated about it because these chickens should have died.

[00:25:39] They should have died.

[00:25:40] Oh my God.

[00:25:41] You would have,

[00:25:41] you would have killed it.

[00:25:42] Oh my God.

[00:25:42] They died peacefully in the night.

[00:25:43] They are cut up with their,

[00:25:45] like,

[00:25:46] you know,

[00:25:46] completely slaughtered.

[00:25:47] You just twist.

[00:25:48] Oh,

[00:25:48] no,

[00:25:50] I'm joking.

[00:25:51] We're getting to the point where you're like demonstrating how to kill the

[00:25:54] chickens.

[00:25:54] I feel like I've already witnessed you watching eating what alligator.

[00:25:58] Yes.

[00:25:59] Emu.

[00:26:00] Emu.

[00:26:00] Kangaroo.

[00:26:01] Yeah.

[00:26:01] You ate kangaroo.

[00:26:02] Yeah.

[00:26:02] Did you eat them?

[00:26:03] I did not eat it.

[00:26:04] Cause I think it's a protected species.

[00:26:07] Yeah.

[00:26:07] It's protected from you.

[00:26:09] I think that's just a concern.

[00:26:11] So look,

[00:26:12] the chickens did so much work to earn their freedom.

[00:26:15] They didn't lay many eggs.

[00:26:18] They pecked Sierra in the,

[00:26:19] which is listening to the challenge instructions.

[00:26:21] They were ready to go.

[00:26:22] And I really,

[00:26:23] really hope that they are free and alive because they earned it.

[00:26:26] And I'm going to live in that world because it makes me feel better.

[00:26:29] And now I'm feeling a little queasy based on the fact that you

[00:26:33] demonstrated what you would do to kill a chicken.

[00:26:35] And no one asked that,

[00:26:36] right?

[00:26:36] That was like completely unasked.

[00:26:37] So I think that's where we're at with it.

[00:26:39] Don't you think that Jeff got hosed in that,

[00:26:41] in that negotiation?

[00:26:42] I feel like Angelina came back a little bit because

[00:26:45] 18 eggs is a lot.

[00:26:47] They probably should have got like 12.

[00:26:48] Like the chickens have laid one usable egg in days.

[00:26:51] That's like 18 is too many for the days that are in the new era.

[00:26:55] They gave,

[00:26:55] Jeff was very,

[00:26:57] was very nice negotiating.

[00:26:59] You know,

[00:27:00] I feel as if like with that knife,

[00:27:01] you know,

[00:27:02] the rice knife in 45.

[00:27:03] The one that you might use to kill a chicken.

[00:27:05] Well,

[00:27:06] you'd use a machete if you're doing it that way.

[00:27:08] It's just less humane,

[00:27:09] you know,

[00:27:09] but the point being that Jeff is now more chill because he got to stab the rice

[00:27:14] and do the negotiation with 46.

[00:27:17] He found out,

[00:27:18] Oh,

[00:27:18] actually a thought came to my mind.

[00:27:20] He found out that he needs to be more willing to negotiate with the players

[00:27:23] because remember in 46,

[00:27:25] they never got rice because they were very strong with his negotiations.

[00:27:31] And now they're coming and they're like,

[00:27:33] please Jeff,

[00:27:34] let's negotiate.

[00:27:35] And just feeling bad because he almost killed the 46ers with no rice.

[00:27:38] Right.

[00:27:39] Those people lost so much weight.

[00:27:41] And so now they're like,

[00:27:42] Oh,

[00:27:43] you want 24 eggs?

[00:27:44] Let's meet in the middle and do 18.

[00:27:46] I think he felt a little bad for 46.

[00:27:48] And this was his apology to the 46ers.

[00:27:51] Yeah.

[00:27:51] He's like,

[00:27:52] how many calves can I allow to starve in one calendar year?

[00:27:55] I think he got hooked.

[00:27:55] They started really,

[00:27:57] really high on 24.

[00:27:58] They did.

[00:27:58] And then they were like,

[00:27:59] 18 is fine.

[00:28:00] And then they were like,

[00:28:00] they only lost six.

[00:28:03] Cause the thing with strategy,

[00:28:04] when you negotiate with Jeff,

[00:28:05] you always start on reasonably high.

[00:28:07] And then,

[00:28:08] cause I'm guessing,

[00:28:09] I'm guessing they wanted like 15 eggs or something.

[00:28:11] Right.

[00:28:12] Yeah.

[00:28:12] And then of course you're always going to fight.

[00:28:14] And then when Jeff gives you a number,

[00:28:16] like,

[00:28:16] so when Jeff got a second,

[00:28:17] second number,

[00:28:18] you say no to that.

[00:28:19] So they really did great negotiation.

[00:28:20] I bet you in their mind,

[00:28:22] they were fist pumping.

[00:28:23] They fist pumped audibly in confession.

[00:28:25] If I was just watching that back,

[00:28:26] I'd be like seething.

[00:28:27] He got hooked.

[00:28:28] He really got misted by the,

[00:28:30] by Gara.

[00:28:31] Yeah.

[00:28:31] Yeah.

[00:28:32] Yeah.

[00:28:32] And you know,

[00:28:32] so day one,

[00:28:34] she can do one.

[00:28:36] That was five people,

[00:28:38] 18 divided by five.

[00:28:40] That's like five,

[00:28:42] three,

[00:28:42] like three and like a third of an egg per person.

[00:28:45] Like three eggs is a full,

[00:28:47] is a full meal.

[00:28:49] That's a full meal.

[00:28:50] So,

[00:28:51] so,

[00:28:51] and that's now sad because they didn't even get to cook them.

[00:28:54] And now it's merge and they don't have fire.

[00:28:56] So now everybody,

[00:28:58] everybody gets those 18 eggs.

[00:29:00] Cause once you bring something to merge,

[00:29:02] Oh,

[00:29:03] I would be so annoyed.

[00:29:04] Yeah.

[00:29:05] And now it's not a lot of eggs based on all the people that are going to eat it.

[00:29:07] So the only everyone is with the chickens who are live and free and happy.

[00:29:11] And like justice for the chickens,

[00:29:12] really happy.

[00:29:12] I feel like they,

[00:29:13] it's because they didn't know the Sierra award was canceled.

[00:29:15] They were like,

[00:29:16] we cannot kill these chickens.

[00:29:17] We will never get any of these.

[00:29:18] Five days,

[00:29:19] three days after this in real time.

[00:29:22] So while they're on the Island,

[00:29:23] survivor announced to see your award was canceled,

[00:29:25] but the lack of knowing save those chickens and they are alive today.

[00:29:28] So I'm really happy about it.

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[00:30:35] Let's talk about the reward.

[00:30:36] They mixed up the reward.

[00:30:37] Yeah.

[00:30:38] People were upset because it wasn't a swap.

[00:30:40] To the people who wanted a swap,

[00:30:41] I want to say,

[00:30:42] like set your expectations of what things are going to be.

[00:30:45] I'd seen the press images of like both challenges.

[00:30:48] So I didn't have my expectations high.

[00:30:49] And I also,

[00:30:51] even though they have swapped in like 45,

[00:30:52] I just really didn't feel it was going that way.

[00:30:55] So I liked this,

[00:30:57] but I feel like my bar was lower because I never,

[00:30:59] you know,

[00:31:00] I never got disappointed that it wasn't a swap because I never even expected that

[00:31:03] of them.

[00:31:04] What did you think of it?

[00:31:06] You know what?

[00:31:06] I was excited.

[00:31:07] Cause I was like,

[00:31:08] wait,

[00:31:08] are we actually going to like,

[00:31:09] instead of merging now at 13 and then doing the,

[00:31:13] the earn,

[00:31:14] the merge,

[00:31:15] then the split tribal.

[00:31:16] Are we going to bend swap at 14 and do two more tribals than do merge?

[00:31:20] I was excited.

[00:31:21] That would have been good.

[00:31:22] Yeah.

[00:31:22] I think that would have been,

[00:31:23] I think it would have been really good,

[00:31:24] really fun.

[00:31:25] But I think that the way that the swap,

[00:31:29] like the challenge was where it's like,

[00:31:30] you guys get the advantage of making alliances when the other people need to

[00:31:36] go at home,

[00:31:37] do nothing and don't get that bonding.

[00:31:39] I think that was so smart.

[00:31:41] Cause it has that element of chance that's in the game that it's like,

[00:31:44] or if you're not the one winning,

[00:31:46] do you have someone on the other side that is going to go and vouch for

[00:31:49] you?

[00:31:50] And then number two,

[00:31:50] it's like,

[00:31:51] is what you're saying when you're on that is what you're saying when

[00:31:55] you're on that winning party,

[00:31:57] a positive and helping your game.

[00:31:59] Because for example,

[00:32:01] we saw for teeny teeny played it perfectly guys.

[00:32:04] I'm on the bottom.

[00:32:04] I think this is my last meal.

[00:32:06] Everyone's like,

[00:32:06] I'm so sorry,

[00:32:07] teeny let's work with you.

[00:32:09] Then you have Tiana being like,

[00:32:10] Oh yeah,

[00:32:11] I'm just going to game is like going and did the idol goes back to

[00:32:14] her and now Gabe,

[00:32:15] but Tiana is public enemy.

[00:32:17] Number one.

[00:32:18] So I think that it was really,

[00:32:20] really interesting.

[00:32:20] I love the concept.

[00:32:22] I just would have liked to swap better,

[00:32:24] but it's still,

[00:32:25] I think it was a very good plan twist.

[00:32:28] I think for me,

[00:32:29] I would make two changes.

[00:32:30] I've always wanted them to swap up reward.

[00:32:32] And like in Australian survivor,

[00:32:34] they did something that was like,

[00:32:36] they split the tribes in two.

[00:32:37] So it was four teams competing and then the top two teams would win.

[00:32:41] So it could have been this like,

[00:32:42] you know,

[00:32:43] shared reward.

[00:32:44] And then that was kind of,

[00:32:45] you know,

[00:32:46] that didn't go well because one tribe,

[00:32:48] like the two teams won from one tribe,

[00:32:49] but then also Nina got injured.

[00:32:51] And we really barely remember that that happened,

[00:32:53] but I liked the idea of like celebrating with people on the other tribe.

[00:32:57] What I really like is the idea of competing against your own tribe mates.

[00:33:00] The two notes that I would give from a production standpoint,

[00:33:02] one,

[00:33:03] I would make it earlier.

[00:33:06] There's not that much time in these new era pre-mergers and that's a bit of

[00:33:09] the issue,

[00:33:09] but even if it's last episode,

[00:33:11] you know,

[00:33:12] close enough to the merge where it can like still people will be open,

[00:33:15] but enough time to kind of play out because this was just like

[00:33:17] murgatory,

[00:33:18] but like two days earlier where people only will win food and then all sit

[00:33:22] in like a half,

[00:33:24] you know,

[00:33:25] yeah,

[00:33:25] right permutation and then talk about stuff.

[00:33:28] So it was just like kind of a precursor to that.

[00:33:30] So I think earlier,

[00:33:31] and the other thing I would do is I would make them compete for letters,

[00:33:34] something really emotional that they will bond with these new people over

[00:33:38] that their people,

[00:33:39] tribe mates who they've beaten for it,

[00:33:41] who have lost it will really,

[00:33:42] really resent.

[00:33:43] So what I really like is competing against your own tribe mates.

[00:33:48] So make them compete for something they really care about.

[00:33:52] Wow.

[00:33:52] The tribals to play out.

[00:33:54] Yeah.

[00:33:54] Come back to tribal council where you shared a letter with someone you

[00:33:56] barely know,

[00:33:57] and your ally got beaten by you and didn't get their letter,

[00:33:59] like make them cry.

[00:34:00] And that would be my turn.

[00:34:01] All I'm going to say first is that you're going to go all up in arms with me

[00:34:05] being team chicken.

[00:34:06] When you just said,

[00:34:07] I want emotional warfare for these players.

[00:34:11] Like,

[00:34:11] I don't know the chickens,

[00:34:12] like let the chickens be happy.

[00:34:14] I think that that's,

[00:34:16] I think that everything you said is on the nose.

[00:34:17] I think that would make it even more enticing.

[00:34:20] Cause like they went back and they're like,

[00:34:22] yeah,

[00:34:22] it was just one hot dog.

[00:34:24] Yeah.

[00:34:24] If anything,

[00:34:25] it sucked.

[00:34:25] The survivor social hour,

[00:34:27] Teenie said there were no condiments.

[00:34:28] Why were there no condiments?

[00:34:29] Like they made it particularly bad.

[00:34:31] You can't even be that mad.

[00:34:32] You want to know why there were no condiments?

[00:34:34] Probably Omar complained.

[00:34:36] Cause he's afraid of condiments.

[00:34:37] So they were probably like,

[00:34:38] Oh no.

[00:34:39] Omar's afraid of condiments.

[00:34:40] Yeah.

[00:34:41] You hear it in first tier people.

[00:34:43] He doesn't like condiments.

[00:34:44] So that that's,

[00:34:44] they were maybe thinking of Omar for some reason.

[00:34:46] And then no condiments.

[00:34:47] Remember when Omar didn't like condiments?

[00:34:48] Now,

[00:34:49] five seasons later,

[00:34:50] they still don't get condiments.

[00:34:52] Now.

[00:34:52] Yeah.

[00:34:53] I don't know.

[00:34:54] It's like the rotisserie chicken,

[00:34:55] not to bring it back to chicken,

[00:34:56] but I think they're just like,

[00:34:57] they're like,

[00:34:58] they'll like whatever we give them.

[00:35:00] Right?

[00:35:00] Like,

[00:35:00] yeah.

[00:35:01] Oh my gosh.

[00:35:02] Yes.

[00:35:03] The rotisserie chicken award was one,

[00:35:05] was not like,

[00:35:07] it should have been,

[00:35:08] you know what it should have been actually?

[00:35:10] If it was not lettuce from home,

[00:35:12] they should have done Applebee's.

[00:35:14] Okay.

[00:35:15] Cause that's the same thing.

[00:35:16] Yeah.

[00:35:16] Imagine getting the Applebee's.

[00:35:18] I want a level reaction to your tribe mate beating you for something important.

[00:35:23] Yes.

[00:35:23] And maybe it was more important than a letter.

[00:35:25] But I was,

[00:35:26] as a vegetarian,

[00:35:28] Carl's reaction to one veggie hot dog,

[00:35:30] too much.

[00:35:31] No veggie hot dog has ever been good enough to warrant that.

[00:35:34] No,

[00:35:34] no,

[00:35:34] no.

[00:35:34] I will defend,

[00:35:36] I will defend him when you're playing survivor and you're like,

[00:35:40] and it's just any semblance of food.

[00:35:42] Yeah.

[00:35:43] Yeah.

[00:35:43] And especially when you talk dogs and they don't mention explicitly that it's vegetarian.

[00:35:48] And then you see that single vegetarian dog.

[00:35:51] No,

[00:35:51] I'll give it to him.

[00:35:52] I'll defend him because I get how he was like,

[00:35:54] it was still pretty sad though.

[00:35:56] And also the barbecue that they grilled.

[00:35:58] I didn't like how there,

[00:35:59] there wasn't enough char on the burger.

[00:36:01] Like I like a nice,

[00:36:02] like on the,

[00:36:02] on the hot dog.

[00:36:03] I like a nice char,

[00:36:04] like a charring.

[00:36:05] And it just was not charred.

[00:36:06] It felt a little bit,

[00:36:07] it looked like a boiled one for me,

[00:36:09] but that's just me being extremely picky.

[00:36:12] It's fair.

[00:36:13] It was a very bad restaurant experience.

[00:36:16] There was no potato salad.

[00:36:17] They had some drinks.

[00:36:18] They probably amped it.

[00:36:19] They could have made it amazing.

[00:36:21] And they could have given letters or yeah,

[00:36:23] something really,

[00:36:24] really special and incredible experience.

[00:36:26] Remember when people used to dab,

[00:36:27] like they,

[00:36:27] you know,

[00:36:27] they've done the helicopter in 45,

[00:36:29] but like make people like,

[00:36:30] make it so special and make people so angry that their tribe mates beat them.

[00:36:34] And that would be my note.

[00:36:35] But to talk about some of these other tribes,

[00:36:37] you mentioned teeny.

[00:36:38] Yes.

[00:36:40] Interesting from lava.

[00:36:41] There's a lot to get to here.

[00:36:43] So for Genevieve,

[00:36:44] Genevieve made this huge move.

[00:36:46] Yes.

[00:36:47] It was epic.

[00:36:47] Like incredibly done.

[00:36:49] Love that away.

[00:36:51] And I was very,

[00:36:52] very high on the move.

[00:36:53] And I said that like Genevieve was so insulated socially that kind of could have gone either way.

[00:36:58] To me,

[00:36:58] it was like a 60,

[00:36:58] 40 decision and I backed the choice,

[00:37:00] but I was like,

[00:37:01] she has connections across the board,

[00:37:02] you know,

[00:37:03] even sticking with teeny Keyshawn could go really well.

[00:37:05] Well for her because she's still there.

[00:37:06] Number two at worst.

[00:37:08] Those were her relationships.

[00:37:09] But now looking at how she comes back,

[00:37:12] I'm a little lower on the move,

[00:37:13] still impressive as hell,

[00:37:15] but I'm like two,

[00:37:16] two concerns for me.

[00:37:17] One,

[00:37:18] Genevieve always wanted to work with teeny first.

[00:37:20] Firstly,

[00:37:21] amazing from teeny who is a social legend.

[00:37:25] But if you wanted to work with teeny,

[00:37:28] I probably wouldn't have broken that up as much.

[00:37:29] I might've just stayed then with teeny Keyshawn where the relationship now is really fractured.

[00:37:34] Teenie will always choose Keyshawn before Genevieve,

[00:37:36] but that sounds feels like it's a problem in a very long time.

[00:37:40] So if you wanted to stay with teeny,

[00:37:42] I might've just gone down the path of investing in teeny.

[00:37:44] And the other issue is Rome.

[00:37:46] You know,

[00:37:47] like Genevieve thinks that she can control Rome and she can't.

[00:37:50] I didn't anticipate him throwing Genevieve under the bus and he did.

[00:37:54] So I feel like we both misjudged that.

[00:37:56] And I feel like she made the bed with Rome and now she's having to lie in it.

[00:37:59] Kind of reminds me of,

[00:38:00] of like Kirby and Kelly from,

[00:38:02] from Australian Survivor.

[00:38:03] That is tough.

[00:38:04] You've made the choice to manage it.

[00:38:05] You have to manage it.

[00:38:06] And I don't know that she can.

[00:38:07] So on the fact that she probably would have had to cut Rome and he's a following issue.

[00:38:11] And the fact that I don't know how much she's made up with teeny and teeny is her priority.

[00:38:15] I now might've reversed a little bit where I feel like,

[00:38:18] I still have cleaned a decision for me,

[00:38:20] but I might've gone on the other pathway,

[00:38:22] given all that information.

[00:38:23] Okay.

[00:38:25] I see what you're saying.

[00:38:28] And I agree that the move looking at Rome and the volatileness of Rome,

[00:38:33] I think that it also,

[00:38:36] you know,

[00:38:36] cooling a bit down on the move.

[00:38:38] But one thing which I think is important to note is that Rome threw Genevieve under the bus,

[00:38:45] but Rome was never targeting Genevieve.

[00:38:47] She threw him under the bus to be like,

[00:38:50] and this is why we need to get teeny.

[00:38:51] Because look,

[00:38:53] this is me and you working together,

[00:38:55] but I'm still working with Genevieve.

[00:38:57] So it's not that Rome in any time in the future is planning on taking Genevieve out.

[00:39:01] When I do feel as in with that Keyshawn,

[00:39:05] Keyshawn,

[00:39:06] teeny Genevieve trio,

[00:39:07] that's kind of there if you took Rome out and then you had Saul,

[00:39:11] that it just feels that Genevieve doesn't have as many options as she does now.

[00:39:17] Yeah.

[00:39:18] The choice was to be more social in the other way,

[00:39:23] but have more agency and control in this way.

[00:39:25] And have fun,

[00:39:26] because we had fun.

[00:39:27] We did.

[00:39:28] But yeah,

[00:39:28] from a social perspective,

[00:39:29] I feel like she's having to rebound more.

[00:39:31] And I don't know that she fully has with Teenie,

[00:39:33] and we can talk about that.

[00:39:34] Yes.

[00:39:34] So she chose,

[00:39:35] like,

[00:39:36] or to like kind of sit on her hands a little bit,

[00:39:38] be social,

[00:39:39] but know that she's going to have to like build up to that agency through the game,

[00:39:42] which I love when people take agency,

[00:39:44] but I also love when people are exceedingly social.

[00:39:46] And I feel like that was what she was kind of between.

[00:39:50] Mm-hmm.

[00:39:51] Like,

[00:39:53] you know what?

[00:39:54] I feel as if,

[00:39:56] looking back now,

[00:39:57] the move was not as perfect as we all thought it was,

[00:40:01] but I still think that your moves that you make,

[00:40:06] especially in Premerge,

[00:40:07] because there's still so much game to be played.

[00:40:09] It's really about how you're able to manage the repercussions of whatever move you make,

[00:40:14] you know?

[00:40:15] Yes.

[00:40:15] And I feel as if Genevieve has really started to put the groundwork to recover for the repercussions.

[00:40:22] So what we have is we have Rome going and throwing her,

[00:40:26] and throwing Genevieve under the bus to Saul.

[00:40:28] But then we saw Genevieve telling Saul,

[00:40:30] isn't Rome crazy?

[00:40:30] Yeah,

[00:40:31] he's really crazy.

[00:40:32] Teeny,

[00:40:33] isn't Rome crazy?

[00:40:34] And now,

[00:40:34] so you have Teeny still being like,

[00:40:36] yeah,

[00:40:36] I'm team Rome.

[00:40:37] You have then Saul still feeling,

[00:40:39] which would Genevieve be like,

[00:40:40] okay,

[00:40:40] this game is being played.

[00:40:42] Plus,

[00:40:42] I found out from Rome that Teeny is,

[00:40:46] Teeny has this idol.

[00:40:47] So what I think is that,

[00:40:49] let's say there's a hypothetical,

[00:40:50] they have to sacrifice oneself.

[00:40:52] I still don't think that it's going to be Genevieve who's going home in the four that are left.

[00:40:58] No,

[00:40:58] not going home.

[00:40:59] Yeah.

[00:41:00] So,

[00:41:00] but the thing is like one,

[00:41:01] but the thing is when you're in pre-merge,

[00:41:04] a lot of times you just need to have like someone rooting.

[00:41:08] It's not even that you need to have someone rooting for you.

[00:41:10] You just need to have someone that's not against you.

[00:41:12] When you go to merge,

[00:41:13] you need to have someone who's willing to work with you because there's still a lot of things that you can do when you're there.

[00:41:19] So I still think that it wasn't like,

[00:41:21] now we've seen it wasn't the perfect be all that I don't move,

[00:41:23] but I don't think that it's like,

[00:41:25] I don't think it flips to,

[00:41:26] oh my gosh.

[00:41:27] No,

[00:41:27] I didn't have.

[00:41:28] Yeah.

[00:41:28] Yeah.

[00:41:29] No,

[00:41:29] I mean like,

[00:41:29] look,

[00:41:29] Genevieve was in a great social spot.

[00:41:31] Genevieve was never going to be out on this tribe and nor should she have to think about how to survive to emerge.

[00:41:36] That was on lock from her social game.

[00:41:38] Yes.

[00:41:38] How can you build that into something long-term with like individual social options or a group,

[00:41:44] which to really maximize the position that she put herself into.

[00:41:46] And like,

[00:41:47] again,

[00:41:47] I'm not like,

[00:41:48] oh,

[00:41:48] it was definitely a bad move.

[00:41:49] I just think if I was 60,

[00:41:50] 40 last week on doing it,

[00:41:52] the scales would be tipping,

[00:41:53] you know,

[00:41:54] like that literally.

[00:41:56] A little bit because teeny is so much an option for Genevieve and Genevieve,

[00:42:00] I think rebounded well with soul.

[00:42:02] It is easy to paint that Roman is crazy.

[00:42:04] He'll give information and he will lie.

[00:42:06] So like painting a lie,

[00:42:07] he gives ammo and Genevieve used it.

[00:42:09] Has,

[00:42:10] has Genevieve rebounded with teeny because we didn't say every,

[00:42:14] we don't say everything obviously,

[00:42:15] but teeny goes on the journey that we see and never seems to vouch for Genevieve in any of the conversations that we see teeny have talks about fully being on the bottom.

[00:42:24] Isn't like,

[00:42:24] yeah,

[00:42:24] I'm with Genevieve and,

[00:42:25] and really like she puts the whole tribe,

[00:42:27] not just Rome or Roman soul.

[00:42:29] Um,

[00:42:30] and then comes back.

[00:42:31] And from what we see tells them all kind of a lie about it.

[00:42:35] Does teeny tell Genevieve the truth?

[00:42:36] How much is Genevieve actually in with teeny is teeny trying to make good with Genevieve just to make it through to the merge.

[00:42:43] And once merge hits teeny out,

[00:42:45] I think that is a possibility based on the words and actions we saw from teeny tonight.

[00:42:49] Like,

[00:42:50] I don't think so.

[00:42:51] I think that if you're in teeny,

[00:42:52] you just got blindsided.

[00:42:54] The only move to do when you meet with new people is being like,

[00:42:57] no one wants to work with me.

[00:42:59] Please pick me up.

[00:42:59] Cause you gives you more options.

[00:43:01] And then you can choose to go work with the people you want to work with versus if you don't want to go and work with the people you want to work with.

[00:43:07] And so let's say that,

[00:43:09] for example,

[00:43:09] they go to merge.

[00:43:11] And then after they're like,

[00:43:12] teeny,

[00:43:12] we want to work with you.

[00:43:13] Let's vote one of your people out.

[00:43:15] I think that she's always going to go and she's going to choose like Rome or Saul over,

[00:43:23] over like Genevieve.

[00:43:24] So,

[00:43:25] but that's because I think she's secretly going and protecting Genevieve.

[00:43:29] But I think that if you,

[00:43:30] if you have the ability to be like,

[00:43:32] guys,

[00:43:32] I'm on the bottom.

[00:43:33] I'm next.

[00:43:34] You take that opportunity.

[00:43:35] You're not going to be like,

[00:43:36] Hey,

[00:43:36] I'm really close with this person because it makes it feel,

[00:43:39] it makes people feel like you're,

[00:43:41] they're not able to control you as much as if you were a free agent.

[00:43:46] Right.

[00:43:46] But,

[00:43:47] but true.

[00:43:47] But if she came back and didn't tell Genevieve the true,

[00:43:51] true story,

[00:43:52] then that would point to like a real chasm in the relationship because you

[00:43:55] can't even be like,

[00:43:56] yeah,

[00:43:57] I said I was on the bottom and I'll always protect you.

[00:43:59] Like that's our in.

[00:44:01] And we don't know.

[00:44:02] And we didn't hear.

[00:44:03] Exactly.

[00:44:04] That's true.

[00:44:05] I'm a little concerned because Genevieve wants to work with Tini the most,

[00:44:08] like that difference in intention.

[00:44:09] When I thought Genevieve was like,

[00:44:11] maybe like Roman soul and then move a little bit for me,

[00:44:15] but it's a huge credit to Tini.

[00:44:17] Like I'm a little lower in Genevieve.

[00:44:18] I'm lower on soul who I thought was a higher priority to Genevieve than next out.

[00:44:22] And I'm higher on Tini who,

[00:44:24] again,

[00:44:25] like the social power that Genevieve wants Tini the most is crazy to me.

[00:44:29] Like,

[00:44:29] how do you feel like Tini is doing and rebounding?

[00:44:32] Cause I think Tini is in a good spot going into the merge.

[00:44:35] No,

[00:44:35] I think Tini is in a great spot going to the merge.

[00:44:38] I don't think that no one on,

[00:44:40] I don't think that anyone on what's the red tribes name?

[00:44:42] I'm black.

[00:44:43] Yeah.

[00:44:45] You never have to think about them again.

[00:44:47] I don't think Lavo is going to stick.

[00:44:50] Cause the problem is you are the most at risk.

[00:44:53] If someone on your tribe is willing to sacrifice you.

[00:44:56] And the only person who's willing to sacrifice Tini at this moment,

[00:45:00] like actively sacrifice is Rome.

[00:45:03] And I don't think that Rome has a lot of social power to go and overthrow.

[00:45:09] Cause Tini's in with like the other people.

[00:45:12] So I think that Tini's in a great position.

[00:45:14] I think that we've seen,

[00:45:15] especially in this navigation of pre-march,

[00:45:16] even from the beginning,

[00:45:18] that Tini has had the social control of this tribe since day one.

[00:45:23] Remember when we made that alliance at four,

[00:45:26] Tini's the one to be like,

[00:45:27] let's wait for Asia,

[00:45:28] right?

[00:45:29] Tini and Kishon.

[00:45:30] And I think now it's showing by virtue of Tini.

[00:45:33] It showed that it's,

[00:45:34] Oh,

[00:45:34] it was because of Tini.

[00:45:36] Tini is the one that people want to work with.

[00:45:38] Tini is the one who's in the core.

[00:45:39] When we're going and flipping,

[00:45:41] and there's a chance that Tini doesn't have a vote.

[00:45:43] We never thought about voting out Kishon.

[00:45:44] It was always,

[00:45:45] we never thought about voting out Tini.

[00:45:47] It was always Kishon.

[00:45:48] I think that Tini social game,

[00:45:50] people want to work with Tini and that's going to help them for the whole

[00:45:53] game.

[00:45:54] Yeah.

[00:45:54] I think like Tini's done stuff I've disagreed with,

[00:45:57] but I can't disagree with any of like the social power,

[00:46:00] but yeah,

[00:46:00] even in this episode,

[00:46:01] how does Saul not know about the amulet?

[00:46:03] The,

[00:46:03] the amulet that everyone in the whole game,

[00:46:07] except apparently Saul knows about,

[00:46:08] which is completely uncontrollable about who will disseminate on other

[00:46:12] tribes.

[00:46:13] Yeah.

[00:46:14] Genevieve,

[00:46:14] obviously not really realizing Genevieve was against Tini and Kishon at

[00:46:17] that point told Rome,

[00:46:18] who told Saul,

[00:46:19] like you have to get ahead of that information.

[00:46:21] And that is really damaging.

[00:46:23] For no reason,

[00:46:24] because it's not even that important information.

[00:46:25] Everyone has it.

[00:46:26] It's worth nothing.

[00:46:29] Yes.

[00:46:30] That I think was a bad move from Tini,

[00:46:34] especially because we saw it with the beware advantages on my season.

[00:46:37] By the time it hits merge,

[00:46:39] everyone knew exactly who had the beware.

[00:46:41] Like everyone knew.

[00:46:43] And if you didn't know,

[00:46:44] it was because you were like,

[00:46:45] and I love you girl,

[00:46:46] but it was because you were a Tory and no one told you anything in the game,

[00:46:49] you know,

[00:46:50] but no.

[00:46:51] The fact that you could say about one of your bridesmaids,

[00:46:53] it's because you were a Tory.

[00:46:56] Like,

[00:46:56] I love my girl Tory.

[00:46:58] Okay.

[00:46:59] But she was dead in the water at merge and no one told her anything.

[00:47:03] It's because she was dead even at pre merge,

[00:47:04] you know?

[00:47:05] So like chickens.

[00:47:07] Exactly.

[00:47:08] No,

[00:47:09] they're free and they're alive.

[00:47:10] They're living their best lives.

[00:47:11] I'm so happy for them.

[00:47:12] Okay.

[00:47:12] Shannon.

[00:47:14] But like,

[00:47:15] it's like,

[00:47:15] it's your,

[00:47:16] so if you're bringing Saul into this merge and he doesn't know about it and he learns from someone else,

[00:47:21] no,

[00:47:21] that was always going to be bad news.

[00:47:23] Like,

[00:47:24] especially because it's like,

[00:47:25] I don't think they're going into merge and seeing at least how Rome was acting.

[00:47:29] They were not going to go in to merge with the intent of throwing Saul under the bus.

[00:47:33] That was never going to happen.

[00:47:34] So then why not tell him this information?

[00:47:36] He wasn't going to be like,

[00:47:37] that was,

[00:47:38] that was pretty.

[00:47:39] And everyone on your tribe,

[00:47:41] it's all new.

[00:47:42] Like it was a little silly.

[00:47:43] I don't think that Teenie would have realized that Rome knew,

[00:47:47] but I think Rome and Genevieve have worked together.

[00:47:50] Exactly.

[00:47:51] I think Saul should have been told to begin with,

[00:47:53] like they're trying to work with Saul and expecting that Saul will be there.

[00:47:57] Like even just for that,

[00:47:58] again,

[00:47:58] it's pretty worthless information,

[00:47:59] but at the point where you've been blindsided and Genevieve was working with Rome and Saul,

[00:48:04] you should tell them because that is not like that information has been tainted and it was already incredibly fragile.

[00:48:10] So I think that was a miss,

[00:48:12] but otherwise I think Teenie is in a pretty good spot.

[00:48:15] Yeah.

[00:48:15] And Rome here.

[00:48:17] What do we think about how Rome,

[00:48:20] there's so much,

[00:48:20] I mean,

[00:48:21] Rome and Teenie,

[00:48:22] the fact that it made me laugh how much was on Keyshawn,

[00:48:24] like Keyshawn in their minds,

[00:48:26] like,

[00:48:27] is there anyone more demonized than the person voting out that you can blame everyone?

[00:48:31] Like I'm free from,

[00:48:32] from the shackles of Keyshawn.

[00:48:34] He ruined our society.

[00:48:38] Family.

[00:48:38] Like,

[00:48:39] yeah.

[00:48:39] Like,

[00:48:40] so Keyshawn gets thrown like so far under the bus.

[00:48:42] You can't even see Keyshawn.

[00:48:43] He's out of the game.

[00:48:45] Yeah.

[00:48:45] And then Rome's done with Teenie doing everything,

[00:48:47] even like throwing Genevieve under that same bus.

[00:48:50] Hey Keyshawn,

[00:48:51] under the bus to,

[00:48:52] to get Teenie out.

[00:48:54] So how do we feel about,

[00:48:55] you know,

[00:48:55] Rome in this episode causing his usual brand of chaos?

[00:48:58] I think Rome in this episode,

[00:49:00] first,

[00:49:01] before talking about strategy,

[00:49:02] I want to point out,

[00:49:03] I know exactly how like Rome was feeling when he was crying after winning.

[00:49:07] This man won,

[00:49:07] lost three straight days in a row.

[00:49:10] It's day four and you barely won after a roadblock.

[00:49:14] Oh,

[00:49:14] I was really happy that Rome like got that win.

[00:49:17] Cause it's really,

[00:49:18] it really can be demoralizing having such a losing streak as for Rome being volatile.

[00:49:24] Immunity challenges,

[00:49:26] but yeah,

[00:49:26] I guess that's no,

[00:49:27] cause it was immunity challenge.

[00:49:28] With Asia.

[00:49:29] Then the next day was another immunity challenge.

[00:49:31] Then the next day he lost the,

[00:49:33] like the reward challenge.

[00:49:35] So he wasn't even condiments.

[00:49:36] He's fine.

[00:49:37] Yeah.

[00:49:38] But like he likes to win.

[00:49:39] So that's like,

[00:49:40] so I get how he felt.

[00:49:41] Cause he's,

[00:49:41] he's like,

[00:49:42] I want to win.

[00:49:42] I want to win.

[00:49:43] And then it's like,

[00:49:43] lose,

[00:49:43] lose,

[00:49:44] lose.

[00:49:46] And so now speaking on Rome,

[00:49:48] we always expected him to be volatile because he is a volatile player.

[00:49:52] Right.

[00:49:53] And the thing is that like with volatile players,

[00:49:55] you need to know that they will,

[00:49:57] they will always be volatile.

[00:49:59] Unless you check in with them every single moment,

[00:50:02] every single hour,

[00:50:04] volatile players will be volatile.

[00:50:05] I think that what Rome did was very good in controlling the chaos because what you want to do,

[00:50:11] Roman Saul had been like fighting for the past few days.

[00:50:15] You know,

[00:50:16] then Rome even would have to be like,

[00:50:18] Hey,

[00:50:18] I'm sorry for like babysitting you or whatever.

[00:50:20] Like didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

[00:50:21] He needs to extend an olive branch.

[00:50:23] If he wants Saul to actually work with him to do his bidding.

[00:50:26] And so going and like being like teeny has this,

[00:50:29] like Genevieve said this,

[00:50:31] these are all the things that's going on.

[00:50:33] I want to work with you.

[00:50:34] Here is me giving me all the information about what the game is being said.

[00:50:38] I think that that was the best thing for him to do.

[00:50:42] The problem that he didn't do is he needed to be say something like,

[00:50:46] Hey, don't tell Genevieve that I told you this.

[00:50:49] I think that was implied.

[00:50:51] There's a subject.

[00:50:52] Don't tell Genevieve.

[00:50:53] I just run to the bus.

[00:50:54] Exactly.

[00:50:54] Exactly.

[00:50:55] Because,

[00:50:56] because it's like,

[00:50:57] you need to be like,

[00:50:57] Hey,

[00:50:58] don't tell,

[00:50:58] don't tell this person because it's like,

[00:51:00] they're against you.

[00:51:01] And we need to go and take teeny out.

[00:51:03] If this happens.

[00:51:04] I think that what the problem was,

[00:51:05] which Genevieve was right,

[00:51:07] was that conversation should have only the conversation about teeny should have

[00:51:12] happened in that moment.

[00:51:13] The conversation about throwing Genevieve under the bus to take out teeny should have

[00:51:18] happened if they were going to tribal,

[00:51:20] you know,

[00:51:21] give it in little pieces.

[00:51:22] If you're trying to flip someone,

[00:51:24] don't give,

[00:51:24] don't give them information overload unless they're actively,

[00:51:28] unless they're actively on the same plan as you.

[00:51:32] Yeah.

[00:51:32] Even then,

[00:51:32] like,

[00:51:33] I feel like the teeny stuff was good.

[00:51:34] Like that's again,

[00:51:35] a miss from teeny that Rome is capitalizing on.

[00:51:38] That's good.

[00:51:39] In terms of throwing Genevieve under the bus,

[00:51:41] like firstly,

[00:51:42] thank you for saving me last night.

[00:51:44] And now I'm going to do that.

[00:51:46] For what?

[00:51:47] Like for what?

[00:51:48] Like Genevieve is his lifeline in the game.

[00:51:50] And I feel like he's like Andy style severing it with the wrong side of the

[00:51:53] blade.

[00:51:54] Like for me,

[00:51:56] firstly,

[00:51:56] yeah,

[00:51:56] definitely not before an immunity challenge.

[00:51:58] It's a teeny information,

[00:51:59] but what he's trying to do is save soul over teeny,

[00:52:02] you know,

[00:52:03] soul has been loyal on action.

[00:52:04] Soul hates Rome,

[00:52:05] you know,

[00:52:06] like soul's not loyal to Rome either.

[00:52:07] So at the end of the day,

[00:52:08] there's a discussion that he and Genevieve can hopefully have,

[00:52:10] but don't further bury yourself and don't cut off the relationship with

[00:52:14] Genevieve.

[00:52:15] He's misreading that soul will go back to Genevieve.

[00:52:17] And I think he's not having the right priorities,

[00:52:19] which is teeny out more than just stick with Genevieve at all costs.

[00:52:23] And he kind of,

[00:52:24] you know,

[00:52:24] loses ground with her there and seems like would have been the next out

[00:52:27] had that happened,

[00:52:28] which was a high possibility.

[00:52:30] So I think that's the miss.

[00:52:32] And if I was Genevieve,

[00:52:33] I'd also be pretty resentful given everything I've put into Rome.

[00:52:37] That he's now doing this.

[00:52:38] And again,

[00:52:39] like you can blame her for parts of that.

[00:52:41] Yeah.

[00:52:42] I think the big problem,

[00:52:44] at least for me,

[00:52:45] was that with the information that Rome gave,

[00:52:48] was that Rome was too close to Genevieve to be throwing him under the bus.

[00:52:53] Like,

[00:52:54] I remember the time,

[00:52:55] like,

[00:52:55] for example,

[00:52:56] when we went to Mergatory,

[00:52:57] I really wanted to go and work with Drea.

[00:52:59] I was like,

[00:53:00] I want to work with Drea.

[00:53:00] I want to work with Drea.

[00:53:01] And it was Omer who actually told me,

[00:53:03] hey,

[00:53:04] Drea's been saying some of these like sketchy things like about you.

[00:53:07] So don't trust her.

[00:53:08] Do not trust Drea.

[00:53:10] But the thing is like,

[00:53:11] Omer and I had a bond.

[00:53:12] So when he said that,

[00:53:12] I'm like,

[00:53:13] okay,

[00:53:13] this is true.

[00:53:14] But Saul doesn't have that bond with Rome,

[00:53:17] you know?

[00:53:18] So now he's going to be like,

[00:53:19] hey,

[00:53:20] Genevieve,

[00:53:20] what's up?

[00:53:21] I hear you're saying this.

[00:53:22] Like,

[00:53:22] what's going on?

[00:53:23] So I think that like,

[00:53:24] with that information,

[00:53:25] Rome needed to cultivate more of a relationship with Saul

[00:53:28] to make sure that the information did not go back to Genevieve.

[00:53:31] And I feel as if that would have been better done if he waited for

[00:53:35] tribal.

[00:53:37] Yeah.

[00:53:37] Well,

[00:53:37] that's not the Rome way.

[00:53:39] Like Rome doesn't like build up social capital to make a move.

[00:53:42] Like Rome is raw dogging strategy.

[00:53:44] It's just the truth.

[00:53:45] Okay.

[00:53:45] I love it.

[00:53:46] Yeah.

[00:53:46] And he's just like,

[00:53:47] let's get to the good stuff.

[00:53:50] That's converting.

[00:53:51] And Saul's like,

[00:53:51] I still hate you.

[00:53:52] You know,

[00:53:53] there's no relationship.

[00:53:54] There's no,

[00:53:55] it's like,

[00:53:55] I don't want to,

[00:53:56] I don't want to get to know you,

[00:53:57] but I want you to do what I want you to do basically strategically.

[00:54:01] So I'm sorry that I don't know why my jokes are going in this

[00:54:04] direction,

[00:54:04] but let's talk a little bit about Tuku,

[00:54:07] not Taku,

[00:54:08] the flag behind you.

[00:54:09] Tuku.

[00:54:11] What do you think about Tiana?

[00:54:14] You know,

[00:54:14] right under that,

[00:54:14] that bus is getting really crowded underneath it because Gabe goes

[00:54:18] under the bus.

[00:54:18] Yes.

[00:54:19] Tiana.

[00:54:21] This is my biggest issue.

[00:54:22] Tiana does not know the dynamics of Tuku.

[00:54:24] Tiana was.

[00:54:25] Yes.

[00:54:26] That it's a woman's Alliance and Gabe,

[00:54:29] I guess like hopped onto it.

[00:54:30] Tiana says that she feels best about the people at the survivor social

[00:54:34] hour.

[00:54:35] She says that they didn't know that Gabe had an idol.

[00:54:38] I think she believes it.

[00:54:39] She said,

[00:54:40] she's only sketched out by Gabe.

[00:54:41] I don't think she knows that Sue and Gabe are close.

[00:54:43] I don't think she knows these dynamics as we know it,

[00:54:45] that Caroline has other options.

[00:54:47] That Sue's option is literally Gabe.

[00:54:49] I think she thinks she can say all these things.

[00:54:51] She clearly thinks that.

[00:54:52] And no one on Tuku will verify it back to Gabe,

[00:54:55] which is wrong.

[00:54:56] And that lack of understanding of the entire tribe dynamics is very,

[00:54:59] very difficult to operate from.

[00:55:00] And then he goes under the bus.

[00:55:02] So how are we feeling about Tiana here?

[00:55:05] Like,

[00:55:06] I just feel that if you're in a big tribe and you know,

[00:55:12] you're going back to your original tribe,

[00:55:15] you need to give as much of nothing as possible.

[00:55:18] Like you need to give nothing burgers.

[00:55:20] Go girl,

[00:55:20] give them nothing.

[00:55:21] Literally go girl,

[00:55:22] give them nothing.

[00:55:23] Like you can't be like,

[00:55:24] unless like you feel like you're on the bottom,

[00:55:27] which clearly Tiana did not feel like you,

[00:55:29] you can't be throwing people under the bus.

[00:55:30] You just have to give nothing burgers.

[00:55:33] Like exactly like what.

[00:55:34] Like they got at the social hour,

[00:55:36] nothing burgers.

[00:55:37] Exactly.

[00:55:37] Nothing burgers.

[00:55:38] Nothing burgers.

[00:55:38] No condiments.

[00:55:39] Yeah.

[00:55:39] No food.

[00:55:40] Nothing.

[00:55:41] Because it's like,

[00:55:42] you never know if it's going to go back.

[00:55:43] And also in addition,

[00:55:45] you never know if people are willing to work with you.

[00:55:48] Cause maybe let's say Sue is the one who went back to Gabe.

[00:55:52] Right.

[00:55:52] It could have been anyone.

[00:55:54] It could have been Tini being the person to go back to Gabe.

[00:55:57] Right.

[00:55:57] It could have been who else was there.

[00:55:59] It could have been Rachel being the one to go back to Gabe.

[00:56:02] It could have been any,

[00:56:03] was Rachel there?

[00:56:04] And I'm yes.

[00:56:05] Perfect.

[00:56:05] I thought I was making like,

[00:56:06] it could have been anyone to go back to those people.

[00:56:09] The only person.

[00:56:10] And the only way you throw someone under the bus is the way Gabler did.

[00:56:14] Okay.

[00:56:14] He had safety.

[00:56:16] He knew someone was going home.

[00:56:18] They couldn't,

[00:56:18] it could not go in physically could not go back to him.

[00:56:21] And then that's when you throw.

[00:56:23] But the thing is,

[00:56:23] she's going back to her camp.

[00:56:25] It's like,

[00:56:26] it's not even merged yet.

[00:56:28] She might lose immunity.

[00:56:29] It can go back to her.

[00:56:30] So many different ways.

[00:56:32] Yeah.

[00:56:32] Not even.

[00:56:33] Exactly.

[00:56:35] So I don't think,

[00:56:36] I think that throwing someone under the bus,

[00:56:38] that was way too early to be doing that.

[00:56:41] And so any future players who may be listening to this,

[00:56:44] always give nothing burgers,

[00:56:45] nothing.

[00:56:46] You give nothing.

[00:56:47] Potato salad.

[00:56:48] I feel like for Tiana,

[00:56:49] like,

[00:56:49] yeah,

[00:56:50] she Gabler,

[00:56:50] but so much worse.

[00:56:51] Like I'm critical of Gabler,

[00:56:52] even doing it,

[00:56:53] like just yelling out the target publicly,

[00:56:55] even though it was a winning move.

[00:56:58] And for Tiana,

[00:56:58] yeah,

[00:56:59] you've created a divide where maybe people will want to work with you over Gabe.

[00:57:02] But if that comes back to him,

[00:57:04] which it easily could,

[00:57:05] like,

[00:57:05] even if they want to work with you and then they have allies that are vulnerable and

[00:57:09] murgatory and Tiana is also vulnerable and murgatory.

[00:57:11] She doesn't mean that much to you.

[00:57:13] You just met her and you could go to Gabe and use that information.

[00:57:15] You might not even plan to do it,

[00:57:17] but you have it.

[00:57:18] If it's convenient,

[00:57:19] like murgatory is claustrophobic.

[00:57:21] People are always looking for an easy option and you just gave a divide where you might be that option.

[00:57:26] And you don't know if Gabe will be safe.

[00:57:29] And you still,

[00:57:30] you know,

[00:57:30] got to even get to all of this before like publicly doing that.

[00:57:34] Like,

[00:57:34] if you want to go to teeny and Rachel and Caroline talking about like possibly this women's

[00:57:39] alliance and have secret conversations that like Gabe's been doing a little bit,

[00:57:43] that's how you can start laying the foundation.

[00:57:45] But I,

[00:57:46] I wouldn't be like yelling it out when you have no idea.

[00:57:49] I think that's very,

[00:57:50] very concerning.

[00:57:51] And also because like,

[00:57:52] you know,

[00:57:53] I think you can give the Gabe,

[00:57:54] like played the idol because like that's verifiable.

[00:57:56] You're going to get the vote left out.

[00:57:58] Like this is like some concrete stuff.

[00:58:00] I don't know if they,

[00:58:01] but like,

[00:58:02] you can feel like you're probably giving a lot without really giving that much.

[00:58:05] And then like secretly giving information.

[00:58:06] Like also who's going to feel that good about Tiana.

[00:58:09] She,

[00:58:09] she didn't choose someone to tell.

[00:58:11] She didn't make a relationship.

[00:58:12] She,

[00:58:12] she roamed it a little bit.

[00:58:13] Like,

[00:58:13] yeah,

[00:58:14] you know,

[00:58:14] she didn't make a relationship.

[00:58:16] You're like a good option for me.

[00:58:17] Here's some information.

[00:58:18] It was like,

[00:58:19] anyone can have it.

[00:58:20] Like,

[00:58:20] it's not because I feel special about you.

[00:58:22] So that was crazy that she did that.

[00:58:25] And I think that that is concerning.

[00:58:27] And then the apology.

[00:58:29] Can we talk about apologies on this season?

[00:58:31] And can we get some sort of class in there?

[00:58:34] Yeah.

[00:58:35] Like,

[00:58:35] I just feel as this is why it just slowly went not well for Tiana.

[00:58:41] Number one,

[00:58:42] you're sending it out in public.

[00:58:44] And once you give information out to everyone,

[00:58:47] that information is now not yours.

[00:58:48] And it can be used for other people.

[00:58:50] Number two,

[00:58:52] you then go back to camp and then you have Carolyn being like,

[00:58:55] Hey,

[00:58:56] I think you should maybe apologize to Gabe.

[00:58:58] Cause I think it's going to come out that survivor talk for someone is

[00:59:02] going to tell Gabe exactly what you did.

[00:59:04] So you better fess up.

[00:59:06] Not,

[00:59:07] I'm going to give a fake,

[00:59:08] a fake suggestion of what the truth was.

[00:59:10] I'm going to edit it and the mold it a little bit and then apologize,

[00:59:13] you know?

[00:59:14] So Tiana should be like,

[00:59:15] Hey,

[00:59:16] I kind of went crazy.

[00:59:17] See,

[00:59:17] I said,

[00:59:18] I said all these things about you.

[00:59:20] This is exactly how I said it.

[00:59:21] I really want to trust you.

[00:59:23] I don't know what was going on.

[00:59:24] It must've been,

[00:59:25] it must've been because you were the only one at camp.

[00:59:27] I'm working with you.

[00:59:29] Like not the,

[00:59:30] I only said it to these three people because it was verifiable.

[00:59:33] It's verifiable information.

[00:59:35] And then also like number three,

[00:59:38] I just think that.

[00:59:40] Do you want to work with your tribe or do you not want to work with your

[00:59:44] tribe?

[00:59:44] Because it feels like there's this kind of mumbling of five strong,

[00:59:48] five strong.

[00:59:49] But then after Tiana is going out of left field and throwing people under the bus at the same

[00:59:54] time,

[00:59:55] then being like,

[00:59:55] no,

[00:59:55] I do want to be five strong.

[00:59:57] And then Carolyn is like trying to be like Omer,

[01:00:00] trying to make them all work together.

[01:00:01] All the little mother hens trying to be strong.

[01:00:03] Cause it's the best.

[01:00:04] Cause it's the best for everyone.

[01:00:06] I just think that Tiana really just made the tribe dynamic so complex and so much worse

[01:00:13] for her for basically no good reason,

[01:00:17] because you should always give like go girl,

[01:00:19] give us nothing.

[01:00:20] Like you give,

[01:00:22] you just give inconsequential information.

[01:00:24] Yeah.

[01:00:25] I mean,

[01:00:26] the apology really solved nothing so much worse.

[01:00:29] But again,

[01:00:29] it's on the lack of knowledge that Gabe will have people in that tribe.

[01:00:33] Exactly.

[01:00:34] To tell them,

[01:00:34] but even,

[01:00:35] even if that weren't true and that is such a,

[01:00:37] such a major difference in how she perceives her tribe after,

[01:00:40] you know,

[01:00:40] like 10 or so days in the game,

[01:00:41] like that,

[01:00:42] that's an indictment.

[01:00:43] But even if that weren't true,

[01:00:45] you definitely know that any of the people who are now telling all of the tribes,

[01:00:50] every person in the game knows that like the flow of that information is so

[01:00:53] uncontrolled.

[01:00:54] And you've now also lied.

[01:00:56] Yeah.

[01:00:57] So questions abound.

[01:00:59] I actually want to get to some questions.

[01:01:01] That was such a good segue.

[01:01:01] Not on purpose.

[01:01:02] Questions from the listeners.

[01:01:03] Then we're going to look a little bit ahead to merge and give the old catch of

[01:01:06] the day and do the chizzy.

[01:01:07] A lot to do,

[01:01:08] Mary Ann,

[01:01:08] but we're having fun doing it.

[01:01:10] Yes,

[01:01:10] we are.

[01:01:11] We have a question here with,

[01:01:13] from Party Rock.

[01:01:14] How long will the eggs be okay to eat out there?

[01:01:16] I feel like they'd almost be forced to cook them all right away.

[01:01:18] So I looked this up.

[01:01:19] Do you refrigerate your eggs?

[01:01:22] It actually,

[01:01:23] it depends on how the eggs are processed.

[01:01:25] Yes.

[01:01:26] So.

[01:01:27] I found that out.

[01:01:29] Yeah.

[01:01:30] Yeah.

[01:01:30] I'm like,

[01:01:30] yes.

[01:01:31] Eggs that have to be refrigerated basically have like this layer removed,

[01:01:35] which makes them need to be refrigerated.

[01:01:37] But if you have an egg that just is like popped out from a hand,

[01:01:40] those do not need to be refrigerated.

[01:01:41] In some places in Europe,

[01:01:42] you'll actually see eggs not being stored in the refrigerator.

[01:01:45] So they can pretty much last like shelf life for as much as,

[01:01:49] as long as an egg in the refrigerator lasts.

[01:01:51] Yeah.

[01:01:51] Okay.

[01:01:52] My mother-in-law doesn't put eggs in the fridge.

[01:01:54] And I thought that was kind of weird.

[01:01:55] Sorry,

[01:01:56] Julie.

[01:01:56] But apparently what I learned today is that in everywhere outside of the U S or I

[01:02:02] don't know about Canada,

[01:02:02] maybe North America,

[01:02:04] like,

[01:02:04] yeah,

[01:02:04] it's how they prepare the eggs that we don't need to necessarily refrigerate it.

[01:02:08] And the U S does because of the way that they have it.

[01:02:10] And then also because we,

[01:02:14] we vaccinate the chickens against salmonella,

[01:02:17] which you guys don't do.

[01:02:18] And I just,

[01:02:19] I mean,

[01:02:19] it feels like maybe.

[01:02:20] Well,

[01:02:20] America vaccines take as long as time.

[01:02:23] Well,

[01:02:23] let's get into that.

[01:02:25] But yeah,

[01:02:26] so it seems like they could,

[01:02:27] but I don't know how that'll be like on the Fijian beach,

[01:02:30] but apparently it should be more fine than you might think.

[01:02:34] Yeah.

[01:02:34] When you're refrigerating your eggs and that's the information I learned today

[01:02:39] that I'm parroting that might be wrong.

[01:02:41] Like,

[01:02:41] no,

[01:02:42] don't obviously like,

[01:02:43] you know,

[01:02:44] check the health and yeah,

[01:02:45] I can't be.

[01:02:46] Don't eat the eggs.

[01:02:47] Basically,

[01:02:47] if your egg is found in the refrigerator,

[01:02:49] in the store,

[01:02:50] keep it in the refrigerator.

[01:02:51] But if it's found ambient,

[01:02:53] you can keep it ambient.

[01:02:55] And like,

[01:02:55] also like,

[01:02:56] and then also like they,

[01:02:58] you could see they didn't put the eggs in the beating sun because that's

[01:03:01] probably not good for eggs,

[01:03:02] but yeah.

[01:03:04] So.

[01:03:05] We learn a lot about food safety on this podcast.

[01:03:08] And a lot about killing chickens.

[01:03:10] Like people are getting more than they bargained for.

[01:03:13] I know I am.

[01:03:14] Okay.

[01:03:14] We had a great question.

[01:03:16] I can't pronounce the name.

[01:03:17] I'm sorry.

[01:03:17] Why didn't they just pick up Andy shot in the dark last episode?

[01:03:20] So he couldn't use it seems easier than giving him a safe name.

[01:03:23] That moment is interesting.

[01:03:25] In hindsight,

[01:03:26] that Andy lost his shot in the dark and they don't have to be like,

[01:03:31] we're holding a shot in the dark hostage.

[01:03:32] That's obviously incredibly antisocial for a tribe that you think wouldn't go

[01:03:36] back to tribal council,

[01:03:36] but like someone could pocket it,

[01:03:39] you know,

[01:03:40] and just never tell him.

[01:03:41] And what would,

[01:03:42] I mean,

[01:03:42] Sam would probably,

[01:03:43] I mean,

[01:03:44] Sam would have to out all of his relationships to get Andy to question that

[01:03:48] or confront that person.

[01:03:49] So it would kind of shoehorn Andy a little bit.

[01:03:52] And then so much social capital was lost to prevent the shot in the dark.

[01:03:56] So now it's kind of feeling that they probably should have pocketed the shot

[01:03:58] in the dark.

[01:03:58] I can speak to that.

[01:04:00] LL cool dubs.

[01:04:02] It is because shot in the dark is the personal property of Andy.

[01:04:08] And it is always the personal property for Andy until he physically gives it to

[01:04:14] someone.

[01:04:14] So if it's lost and Andy can't find it,

[01:04:18] that's okay.

[01:04:19] But if someone takes it,

[01:04:22] that's not okay.

[01:04:23] Which is why they did not pick up the shot in the dark.

[01:04:27] Marianne,

[01:04:27] you are so wise.

[01:04:28] Like you know about eggs,

[01:04:30] you know about the rules of the shot in the dark,

[01:04:31] you know how to kill a chicken.

[01:04:33] Like you're just,

[01:04:34] you're just not,

[01:04:35] you're almost a doctor.

[01:04:36] Like I'm not one survivor.

[01:04:38] You're just an exceptional person.

[01:04:40] Truly.

[01:04:40] Yeah.

[01:04:41] okay.

[01:04:41] Wait,

[01:04:43] where is it?

[01:04:44] Oh,

[01:04:44] no,

[01:04:45] Marianne,

[01:04:45] you had this ready to go.

[01:04:46] Yes,

[01:04:46] here we go.

[01:04:47] Marianne shot in the dark.

[01:04:48] I shot in the dark.

[01:04:49] You didn't lose.

[01:04:50] You didn't need like.

[01:04:53] Dominant and impressive.

[01:04:54] Right.

[01:04:55] It's actually very heavy.

[01:04:57] It's very,

[01:04:58] and it has,

[01:04:58] look,

[01:04:58] it has the tried logo on it.

[01:05:00] You see the Oberos.

[01:05:02] Yeah.

[01:05:03] I see that.

[01:05:04] There you go.

[01:05:04] I hope some,

[01:05:05] some fun information in the bag.

[01:05:08] Um,

[01:05:08] okay.

[01:05:08] I'll go quickly.

[01:05:10] So I have in the bag,

[01:05:11] the notes from the final five challenge,

[01:05:14] the final advantage.

[01:05:15] I have the scramble.

[01:05:17] Yeah.

[01:05:17] I have my beware advantage.

[01:05:20] Beware advantage.

[01:05:21] Exactly.

[01:05:22] This is from tree mail over here.

[01:05:25] Tree mail.

[01:05:26] Yeah.

[01:05:27] I have,

[01:05:27] I have things that they don't use on survivor pencils.

[01:05:31] As Boston Rob said,

[01:05:33] the pencil from what?

[01:05:35] He should know.

[01:05:35] Like there's something where like Boston Rob is saying,

[01:05:38] Oh no,

[01:05:38] like you don't have pencils.

[01:05:39] It's an idol of the idols.

[01:05:40] I have tree mail from the channel.

[01:05:43] Why do you have a pencil?

[01:05:45] They gave it to us in the final five.

[01:05:47] I have tree mail from the one where I have over here,

[01:05:51] my immunity.

[01:05:52] I don't know.

[01:05:53] This is from my first idol.

[01:05:55] First idol.

[01:05:56] Flex.

[01:05:57] I mean,

[01:05:57] Marianne,

[01:05:58] you really ticked the bus.

[01:05:58] And then I'm almost done people.

[01:06:00] I'm sorry.

[01:06:01] And then I have over two more things in this bag.

[01:06:04] I have,

[01:06:04] this is when I went on my journey,

[01:06:05] the note that I,

[01:06:06] they gave me.

[01:06:08] And then in this one here,

[01:06:10] this is the extra votes,

[01:06:12] the extra votes rules that I got from when I risked my vote.

[01:06:16] Okay.

[01:06:17] You had an extra vote.

[01:06:18] I even forgot about that.

[01:06:18] I did.

[01:06:19] I know.

[01:06:20] And last but not least,

[01:06:21] the coolest thing ever,

[01:06:22] if some of you recognize this,

[01:06:25] but this is my second idol that I have,

[01:06:28] my little souvenir.

[01:06:30] That you never had to use.

[01:06:30] And then I never had to use.

[01:06:32] With the note and everything.

[01:06:35] So here it is.

[01:06:36] So I,

[01:06:37] I love a good souvenir as I don't have my torch because that's when they

[01:06:41] still auctioned it off.

[01:06:42] So someone in the world randomly has my torch and I had no clue who it is.

[01:06:46] It's you.

[01:06:47] It's you?

[01:06:48] No.

[01:06:49] That's so kind.

[01:06:50] Imagine if you had my torch.

[01:06:53] Imagine if I brought it out.

[01:06:54] No.

[01:06:55] Okay.

[01:06:56] Question from Tubby Lunchbox to quote Genevieve.

[01:06:59] Who do the scales be tipping for as we go into the merge?

[01:07:01] Can we look ahead to how we think this is going to go at Murgatory?

[01:07:04] Who is in a,

[01:07:05] who's in a good spot?

[01:07:06] Who do we,

[01:07:06] who are we looking at?

[01:07:07] What are we looking at the dynamics from a positive perspective before we

[01:07:10] look at who's under that bus?

[01:07:13] Um,

[01:07:13] who's in a good spot?

[01:07:15] I'll say,

[01:07:15] you know,

[01:07:16] I'm going to say the top number one,

[01:07:17] who I think is in the best spot of every tribe.

[01:07:20] In blue.

[01:07:22] I think that it's Carolyn.

[01:07:24] I don't think anyone's coming for Carolyn.

[01:07:26] Like,

[01:07:26] wait,

[01:07:27] no,

[01:07:27] actually I changed my mind.

[01:07:28] I think it's Sue.

[01:07:28] Cause the girls thing might go and bite Carolyn in the butt.

[01:07:31] I don't think it would,

[01:07:33] but I think Sue has that girls thing because of proxy to Carolyn.

[01:07:36] Everyone thinks that she's sweet.

[01:07:38] Sue's in with Gabe,

[01:07:39] but not too close with Gabe.

[01:07:40] I think that Carolyn is best for that.

[01:07:43] I think that in love,

[01:07:45] oh,

[01:07:46] I don't see a world where teeny goes home.

[01:07:49] I genuinely do not see a world where teeny goes home.

[01:07:52] I think that teeny they're in the best position.

[01:07:54] And for last but not least,

[01:07:57] Gata.

[01:07:58] And I don't think any,

[01:08:01] I think Andy's actually in the best position.

[01:08:03] Cause I think that if it blows up,

[01:08:06] they're always going to go for either Sam or Sierra,

[01:08:10] or maybe Rachel as a sacrificial lamb.

[01:08:12] I think that Andy is actually in the best spot in this,

[01:08:16] in the tribe.

[01:08:17] So those are the three for me.

[01:08:18] What about you?

[01:08:20] I do think Caroline's in a very good spot.

[01:08:23] I think teeny is in a good spot.

[01:08:24] We kept seeing conversations with Caroline,

[01:08:26] teeny and Rachel.

[01:08:27] Caroline,

[01:08:28] I think teeny has a lot of relationships.

[01:08:30] We have they teeny and Caroline with Andy have the amulet bond,

[01:08:33] which could be kind of contrasting to a possible women's alliance with

[01:08:37] Rachel,

[01:08:37] because it feels like that's clearly at odds.

[01:08:39] But I think that teeny has options.

[01:08:41] I think Caroline has options.

[01:08:42] I think Sue is more connected to Caroline through that.

[01:08:45] So I think that could be really interesting.

[01:08:48] Sam and Sierra's name has been out there,

[01:08:50] but all of that for me,

[01:08:51] you know,

[01:08:52] those are dynamics that might kind of start to form after Murgatory.

[01:08:56] In Murgatory,

[01:08:56] we find most of the time that it is who is expendable,

[01:09:00] as we've spoken about.

[01:09:01] So who's expendable?

[01:09:02] I mean,

[01:09:02] you have to look at all the people on the bottom and I know that's boring,

[01:09:05] but that was true of Mariah,

[01:09:07] of Josh with extenuating circumstances,

[01:09:10] of Jay Meyer.

[01:09:11] Like often we see the person who is on the bottom and who might've just gone,

[01:09:14] if they'd gone back to a tribal council,

[01:09:16] depending on who's vulnerable at Murgatory will go.

[01:09:18] So from that perspective,

[01:09:19] I would worry for Tiana because I think like the stronghold of Tuku will throw

[01:09:23] Tiana under the bus and there's verifiable,

[01:09:25] tangible ways to do it in terms of the information.

[01:09:28] Rome clearly,

[01:09:30] you know,

[01:09:30] like Rome from an edit perspective will probably be like a Murgatory,

[01:09:33] but could easily be a consensus,

[01:09:35] especially when maybe you,

[01:09:37] you can try and like split some numbers and the fear that he has an idol.

[01:09:40] And there's,

[01:09:41] there's so many numbers there that you think you could throw a couple of votes

[01:09:43] and he has no one at this point.

[01:09:45] Like,

[01:09:46] and I also doubt his ability to gain more people.

[01:09:49] So if he was vulnerable and then,

[01:09:51] you know,

[01:09:51] Rachel's in an interesting spot because Rachel should be the one where like the

[01:09:55] stronghold of Qatar,

[01:09:56] like we'll,

[01:09:58] we'll,

[01:09:58] you know,

[01:09:58] get rid of Rachel,

[01:09:59] but possible connections to Sierra.

[01:10:01] And I feel like Caroline is the key for Rachel,

[01:10:04] where is this all women's alliance thing going to happen?

[01:10:06] You know,

[01:10:06] you have to credit that Rachel started that in secret,

[01:10:09] not loudly to everyone,

[01:10:10] but in a conversation at the journey.

[01:10:13] And I think that if Rachel is vulnerable and staying,

[01:10:16] it's because someone like Caroline is vouching for her.

[01:10:18] So,

[01:10:19] I mean,

[01:10:19] like Tiana would probably be like my,

[01:10:21] my go-to from both an edit and game perspective of who I think is going

[01:10:25] next week.

[01:10:25] And like edit aside,

[01:10:27] I think it'd be Rome,

[01:10:28] but I just think we have,

[01:10:29] we have more to,

[01:10:30] to see from Rome.

[01:10:31] I feel like he's in it for the long haul.

[01:10:33] Yeah.

[01:10:33] It's not done.

[01:10:34] Yeah.

[01:10:35] Yeah.

[01:10:42] I have to go with you with Tiana.

[01:10:45] If Tiana is not safe.

[01:10:47] Like,

[01:10:48] I just feel as if it's like when information,

[01:10:51] like people just don't want to go home at Mergatory.

[01:10:53] So they don't really care.

[01:10:54] It's like any,

[01:10:55] like it's the closest to anybody,

[01:10:56] but me.

[01:10:57] And like,

[01:10:58] if you have Gabe being like,

[01:10:59] screw Tiana,

[01:11:00] if Carolyn being like,

[01:11:01] well,

[01:11:01] we need to be strong.

[01:11:02] How much can Carolyn fight?

[01:11:04] Especially if Sue's against Tiana and then Gabe's against Tiana.

[01:11:08] So,

[01:11:09] and then the only person who I think would be rooting for Tiana would

[01:11:12] be,

[01:11:12] why am I forgetting his name?

[01:11:13] The last person on blue.

[01:11:15] Kyle.

[01:11:16] Cause Kyle.

[01:11:17] Dog loving Kyle.

[01:11:18] Dog loving Kyle is the only one who root for Tiana.

[01:11:21] So I think that's like,

[01:11:22] and like,

[01:11:23] so it really would then hinge on how willing Kyle is to flip.

[01:11:26] If Kyle's pulled in the plan,

[01:11:28] if like Carolyn,

[01:11:29] how strong that's going to be.

[01:11:30] And,

[01:11:31] but we don't even know how the tribal lines are going to go with.

[01:11:34] If they presumably split it in the two that we've seen.

[01:11:38] Yeah.

[01:11:38] So Sue has an idol.

[01:11:39] Kyle doesn't have a vote.

[01:11:40] So you can play the idol on Gabe.

[01:11:42] If she's worried.

[01:11:43] Yeah.

[01:11:44] And then there's the amulet where they might try to get rid of that early.

[01:11:47] Like they can play it when everyone's on the same beach.

[01:11:49] So from next week.

[01:11:50] Yeah.

[01:11:50] And knowing that the amulet has been such a,

[01:11:53] you know,

[01:11:53] is a different amulet.

[01:11:54] It has been such a bounty.

[01:11:55] You would think let's really solidify something maybe early and get kind of

[01:11:58] like the monkey off our back in terms of the amulet.

[01:12:01] So there could be,

[01:12:02] you know,

[01:12:02] advantages and there could be the fear of,

[01:12:04] of advantages.

[01:12:10] Might also not want to target Rome from that perspective.

[01:12:12] Like the people who have the specter of idols and advantages over them.

[01:12:16] And Tiana,

[01:12:17] I think is vulnerable to that without the allies to really help her with that.

[01:12:20] The one ally she has does not have a vote.

[01:12:22] So to me,

[01:12:23] she's like the expendable person.

[01:12:25] Yeah.

[01:12:26] And that's how I see that because she doesn't even have like the bluff or the

[01:12:29] fear in terms of if there's something to protect her,

[01:12:32] like some of the other targets might have on the other side of that,

[01:12:35] who is your catch of the day,

[01:12:37] you know,

[01:12:38] channel Steven.

[01:12:39] Yeah.

[01:12:40] Even though it's not know-it-all,

[01:12:41] you get your award.

[01:12:42] The IQ is the number one today of who did the best.

[01:12:45] Oh my goodness.

[01:12:46] Who is my number one.

[01:12:50] And I don't know,

[01:12:52] Theo catch of the day.

[01:12:54] I really feel,

[01:12:55] and I know people might feel differently about it for me,

[01:12:58] but I think it has to be Sam because Sam got his way for what was best for

[01:13:04] him at the tribe.

[01:13:04] You have Andy,

[01:13:06] like you get to keep Andy and he's completely loyal to you.

[01:13:09] Andy has the idol,

[01:13:10] which then in proxy,

[01:13:12] if he's going to protect you,

[01:13:13] that could be a plus,

[01:13:14] especially if Andy's like,

[01:13:15] Hey,

[01:13:15] us three,

[01:13:16] let's say Sam.

[01:13:17] I really think that Sam did the best thing.

[01:13:19] You got Sierra to see your vision,

[01:13:21] your side,

[01:13:21] because like,

[01:13:22] I really think if,

[01:13:23] if Andy went,

[01:13:24] he would have been cooked next week,

[01:13:26] completely cooked.

[01:13:27] But now like he really has like a breathing chance.

[01:13:30] But I think that like,

[01:13:31] like,

[01:13:32] so,

[01:13:32] you know,

[01:13:33] the fish,

[01:13:33] which is Sam,

[01:13:35] but the bait is Andy.

[01:13:37] Like,

[01:13:38] I really do think Andy deserves the flowers because Andy from basically blowing

[01:13:43] him,

[01:13:43] his spot up from day three,

[01:13:46] like day three,

[01:13:46] he's now in this alliance where it's like Sierra has to work with Andy.

[01:13:51] Sam is working with Andy.

[01:13:53] There's all a strong three.

[01:13:54] The only information that could go out about,

[01:13:57] about,

[01:13:57] uh,

[01:13:58] that could go knock it off for Sam is this idol,

[01:14:01] but he didn't play it.

[01:14:02] So it weakens that information as well too.

[01:14:04] So I really do think that it's the best way to go,

[01:14:08] but I think that it's like Sam's though catch of the day.

[01:14:12] Well,

[01:14:12] if you want to give fish and bait,

[01:14:14] we actually have an award where you can give multiple points to multiple players.

[01:14:17] We have the chizzy,

[01:14:18] take it away,

[01:14:33] Jacob,

[01:14:34] worked out how to put that on the screen.

[01:14:36] Um,

[01:14:37] yeah.

[01:14:37] Do you want to go first?

[01:14:38] Do you want to give your points?

[01:14:38] I mean,

[01:14:38] Sam's getting three and it seems like Andy's getting two.

[01:14:41] Yes.

[01:14:42] Yeah.

[01:14:42] One.

[01:14:43] Yeah.

[01:14:43] Okay.

[01:14:44] For me,

[01:14:45] I really was fighting between who was going to go and get one point,

[01:14:51] but I really feel as if for me,

[01:14:53] the person to get the one point,

[01:14:57] I'm deciding on the life moment right now.

[01:14:59] I'm really being an MJ right now.

[01:15:01] It's exciting.

[01:15:02] And I actually understand that reference.

[01:15:04] Thank you.

[01:15:06] I think that the person to get the one point,

[01:15:10] I'm going to have to go for who was really more active this episode.

[01:15:13] And I'll talk about the honorable mention.

[01:15:14] And I think the one point is Carolyn.

[01:15:16] And I think it's because we've really saw that Carolyn really wants to keep

[01:15:21] this tribe together,

[01:15:22] but she's like,

[01:15:24] but she's also not afraid to go and search for different options.

[01:15:28] And she,

[01:15:29] people were really biting at the bait with her.

[01:15:30] People were like,

[01:15:31] Oh,

[01:15:31] like,

[01:15:32] okay,

[01:15:32] Carolyn,

[01:15:33] like,

[01:15:33] I'm kind of interested in this,

[01:15:34] like all girls thing.

[01:15:35] And I feel,

[01:15:36] and I feel the trio was interested.

[01:15:37] And I think that Carolyn is going to be in a good spot at the merge.

[01:15:41] I don't think like,

[01:15:42] like I said,

[01:15:42] I think that Susan,

[01:15:44] a better spot,

[01:15:44] but I don't think that Carolyn offering this alliance is going to be a detriment to her.

[01:15:49] Does that make sense?

[01:15:51] Yeah.

[01:15:52] I mean,

[01:15:52] I was going to do the exact same thing.

[01:15:53] It shows how meant to be.

[01:15:54] We are Marianne.

[01:15:55] Those are my exact points.

[01:15:56] Sam three,

[01:15:58] Andy two,

[01:16:00] and Caroline one.

[01:16:01] I feel like for Sam,

[01:16:02] what we haven't spoken about was,

[01:16:03] and I like,

[01:16:04] it was,

[01:16:04] it seemed like a key kind of question.

[01:16:06] Like what if I had the idol for Andy?

[01:16:08] And then Andy knows I had an idol and didn't tell him.

[01:16:11] And the issue with that to be fair and any like kind of cracks there.

[01:16:14] And this is why I would,

[01:16:15] you know,

[01:16:15] have told Andy,

[01:16:16] I hope that maybe he did before the,

[01:16:19] the tribal council is like Rachel knows that he found an idol.

[01:16:22] So it's hard to kind of,

[01:16:23] you know,

[01:16:23] doom him with that into the merge because it's expired.

[01:16:26] Exactly.

[01:16:27] Whether people will believe that or not is different,

[01:16:30] but it could come out for Andy too.

[01:16:31] But also it did seem like the solution was just don't play the idol.

[01:16:35] Like you two are the king makers.

[01:16:36] Like you're either honored or not.

[01:16:37] So that you're making the decision now,

[01:16:39] and then that's going to win.

[01:16:40] And the idol is unnecessary.

[01:16:42] And that was good to not play the idol.

[01:16:44] I do hope Andy is brought in in a way that Sam can control that information

[01:16:48] and not like get in a place where,

[01:16:50] you know,

[01:16:51] it's worse for their relationship.

[01:16:53] And I also think looking at how they all looked at how Dave played an idol,

[01:16:56] having a big moment to play it on Andy,

[01:16:58] especially unnecessarily would have just added to the lore of Sam,

[01:17:02] where the idol,

[01:17:03] the fact that he had one at all might do that,

[01:17:04] but like playing it on someone else,

[01:17:06] even unnecessarily would have been bad.

[01:17:09] Glad he didn't do that.

[01:17:10] I'm giving three points to Sam.

[01:17:11] Sam jumped to the top of the leaderboard now on 11.

[01:17:14] And I can't do it live,

[01:17:15] but then we gave the two points to Andy.

[01:17:17] So Andy has gone up to seven as well.

[01:17:19] You know,

[01:17:19] Andy's been building and now he's like really seen that.

[01:17:21] And now Caroline is on the board with two.

[01:17:24] I'll give an honorable mention to Teenie.

[01:17:26] I feel like,

[01:17:27] you know,

[01:17:27] the soul stuff wasn't great,

[01:17:28] but you know,

[01:17:31] Teenie obviously is in a good spot with points that should play out in the

[01:17:34] future.

[01:17:34] And Sierra,

[01:17:35] like I kind of wanted to,

[01:17:36] because I feel like it was right to stick with Sam.

[01:17:39] She has to go with her line.

[01:17:40] I lost.

[01:17:41] So I couldn't give it points.

[01:17:42] And I think that that's what we could get the exact same points.

[01:17:45] Well,

[01:17:45] these are my two,

[01:17:46] these are my two honorable mentions.

[01:17:48] My honorable mention was actually different from you.

[01:17:50] I wanted to give an honorable mention to Gabe because the way that like he

[01:17:54] played,

[01:17:54] seeing the apology being like,

[01:17:56] of course I forgive you.

[01:17:57] Then immediately running back to fact check,

[01:17:59] said apology.

[01:18:00] Yeah.

[01:18:01] Flowers.

[01:18:01] That's exactly what you do when someone gives you information.

[01:18:03] You want to fact check it with someone you trust.

[01:18:06] A second honorable mention,

[01:18:07] of course has to go with the chickens,

[01:18:09] you know,

[01:18:09] using weapon,

[01:18:09] weaponizing competence,

[01:18:11] as you said,

[01:18:11] to keep themselves safe for another day.

[01:18:14] So yeah.

[01:18:14] And they're so happy.

[01:18:16] And what do you think their lives are like?

[01:18:17] Oh,

[01:18:18] I can't even imagine.

[01:18:19] Oh my God.

[01:18:20] Like a big farm somewhere.

[01:18:23] Upstate.

[01:18:23] A farm upstate.

[01:18:24] Yeah.

[01:18:25] I'm so happy for them.

[01:18:26] Upstate in Fiji.

[01:18:27] Well,

[01:18:27] yeah.

[01:18:28] I mean,

[01:18:28] honorable mention in the chili to the chickens.

[01:18:31] Don't put that into the charts because it's not actually valid,

[01:18:35] but I'm just really happy for them that they earn their freedom by just

[01:18:39] doing nothing.

[01:18:39] And that's what we love.

[01:18:41] You know,

[01:18:42] being lazy and then gaining from it is amazing.

[01:18:45] Girl,

[01:18:46] give us nothing.

[01:18:47] Give us nothing chickens and then be freed and be happy forever.

[01:18:50] What a happy time.

[01:18:51] This has been.

[01:18:52] We got plugs.

[01:18:53] We got plugs or we can get the hair plugs.

[01:18:56] Oh,

[01:18:56] here we go.

[01:18:57] Exited to view with Attica.

[01:18:59] Attica.

[01:19:00] Excited to find out some information about that,

[01:19:03] which we'll be checking out soon.

[01:19:05] Tomorrow.

[01:19:06] There are New York.

[01:19:07] Why am I seeing this?

[01:19:09] Why am I the live show?

[01:19:10] Because we're all going to watch it.

[01:19:11] We're going to watch them at the live show.

[01:19:12] I hate to watch.

[01:19:13] No,

[01:19:14] silly,

[01:19:15] silly because they're in New York.

[01:19:17] Know-it-alls isn't on tomorrow.

[01:19:19] It's going to be on Friday at 1 p.m.

[01:19:21] Eastern.

[01:19:22] That's what it is.

[01:19:23] We're,

[01:19:23] we're basically being like,

[01:19:25] we're basically being reminded that we're at home.

[01:19:27] There's going to be a live show to watch.

[01:19:29] Oh yes.

[01:19:30] The live show as well too.

[01:19:34] I'm not good at plugs.

[01:19:36] Clearly.

[01:19:37] This is not,

[01:19:38] okay.

[01:19:38] So we,

[01:19:38] the live show.

[01:19:39] Know-it-alls.

[01:19:40] Yes.

[01:19:41] Steven will give out a fishy,

[01:19:42] but we already have the catch of the day.

[01:19:44] I stand.

[01:19:44] Kageyan is a documentary that's premiering in Philadelphia on October 28th on YouTube,

[01:19:50] October 29th.

[01:19:51] I also can't go to this and I'm in the freaking documentary.

[01:19:54] Don't worry.

[01:19:55] I can't go either.

[01:19:56] There was a favorite egg.

[01:19:57] And I'm also in the documentary.

[01:19:58] You're in it too?

[01:19:59] Yeah,

[01:20:00] I am.

[01:20:00] I'm so far away from all of these things.

[01:20:03] It's fine.

[01:20:04] Can you do one of the things in Australia?

[01:20:05] It's starting to feel a little unfair.

[01:20:07] Anyway,

[01:20:07] move it along.

[01:20:08] Oh,

[01:20:09] nobody wants us on nothing but Netflix.

[01:20:10] I was on this podcast with Chappelle.

[01:20:12] We talked about,

[01:20:13] have you watched the show?

[01:20:14] I have not watched the show,

[01:20:15] but I do like nothing but Netflix.

[01:20:17] Okay.

[01:20:18] You should watch the show.

[01:20:19] It's about a podcaster who's dating,

[01:20:21] who has a romantic entanglement with a Jewish rabbi.

[01:20:26] Now I,

[01:20:27] the Jewish podcaster was like,

[01:20:28] and obviously I'm obsessed with Adam Brody because I'm 31.

[01:20:32] I grew up in the-

[01:20:33] Can rabbis not be married?

[01:20:35] To non-Jewish women?

[01:20:36] It's probably frowned upon.

[01:20:38] Okay.

[01:20:39] Okay.

[01:20:39] Perfect.

[01:20:40] So there was that.

[01:20:42] That was really fun with Chappelle.

[01:20:44] Check that out.

[01:20:44] I'm not thinking about Netflix coming soon.

[01:20:46] Um,

[01:20:47] apparently Marianne,

[01:20:48] you are on America tells all this week.

[01:20:51] Yes,

[01:20:52] I am.

[01:20:53] Okay.

[01:20:53] I love reality TV and I sometimes delve a little bit into the romantic

[01:20:57] angle and I will be joining the wonderful,

[01:21:00] smart,

[01:21:01] talented,

[01:21:02] beautiful,

[01:21:02] stunning friends with her mom,

[01:21:04] America Lopez to talk about the latest episode of the golden

[01:21:09] bachelorette.

[01:21:10] So please go listen up.

[01:21:12] Cause I love love.

[01:21:14] Yeah.

[01:21:15] I mean,

[01:21:15] look the romantic aspect of reality TV.

[01:21:17] You met your husband due to reality television,

[01:21:20] right?

[01:21:21] Exactly.

[01:21:21] So you were kind of,

[01:21:22] you won Survivor and you were also kind of the bachelorette,

[01:21:25] but not,

[01:21:25] but even better because a lot of those relationships don't work out and

[01:21:28] yours to this point.

[01:21:29] I think CBS reality relationships have a higher success rate than the

[01:21:33] whole bachelor franchise.

[01:21:35] It does go bad as a,

[01:21:36] as a bachelor obsessed person.

[01:21:38] It's been pretty unfortunate,

[01:21:40] but I will,

[01:21:41] I'm behind on the golden bachelorette.

[01:21:43] No spoilers.

[01:21:43] I'm obsessed.

[01:21:44] I ball,

[01:21:46] you know,

[01:21:46] like all the confessionals you had where you're just like balling.

[01:21:49] Yes.

[01:21:50] Genuinely.

[01:21:50] If you look at me at any point when I'm watching the golden bachelorette,

[01:21:52] my,

[01:21:53] like my face is just wet with tears.

[01:21:55] Like they're all so sweet.

[01:21:56] I just want them all to be much like the chickens.

[01:21:58] I want them all to be happy and live long full lives.

[01:22:00] Yes.

[01:22:01] Everyone in the golden bachelorette.

[01:22:02] It's very,

[01:22:02] I love it.

[01:22:03] Check Marianne out on that.

[01:22:05] Become a patron.

[01:22:06] The slop community,

[01:22:07] like early tickets to things like tonight,

[01:22:09] where every person alive is at the New York event.

[01:22:11] Q and a with Robin Taryn discord,

[01:22:13] watch parties,

[01:22:14] learn more at rob has a website.com slash patron.

[01:22:17] Yeah.

[01:22:18] What's going on in your life?

[01:22:19] What's wrong with me?

[01:22:21] You know,

[01:22:23] not a lot,

[01:22:23] not in New York.

[01:22:24] Cool.

[01:22:24] We're big now.

[01:22:26] We're big on the screen.

[01:22:27] So with less big Scott,

[01:22:30] I feel so bad for Scott having to deal with us right now,

[01:22:32] but anyway,

[01:22:34] what's going on?

[01:22:34] I did nothing but Netflix.

[01:22:36] So I have a global every week where we give out the chiseling.

[01:22:38] We talk about the strategic permutations of the episode next week.

[01:22:42] I have two guests.

[01:22:44] I'm South Africa,

[01:22:45] Dino and Mary and Marian.

[01:22:47] Oh yeah.

[01:22:48] It's very similar to your name,

[01:22:49] but it's also very different to your name.

[01:22:51] Marian,

[01:22:51] not Marianne.

[01:22:53] We're going to be doing that.

[01:22:54] Nothing but Netflix.

[01:22:55] Follow me at Shannon Gates.

[01:22:56] That's all I got.

[01:22:56] What are you?

[01:22:57] What about you,

[01:22:57] Marianne?

[01:22:58] Tell the people you're becoming a doctor.

[01:23:00] Yeah.

[01:23:01] Yes.

[01:23:02] Remember the doctor tweeting.

[01:23:03] As a lot of,

[01:23:04] you know,

[01:23:04] my husband's game are a history untold released.

[01:23:07] So please purchase that.

[01:23:09] So he can get a good bonus.

[01:23:11] I don't make these things.

[01:23:13] I'm making this up out of my butt right now,

[01:23:15] but the more people purchase,

[01:23:17] hopefully there's a chance he gets a bonus because he pays for rent.

[01:23:20] So this is great for me.

[01:23:21] Cause I am not making income right now.

[01:23:24] Just living life.

[01:23:25] I'm probably going to go by the fourth wing.

[01:23:28] If anyone has any good book recommendations,

[01:23:29] please tweet at me at Marianne Ocatch.

[01:23:32] I'm more active on Twitter.

[01:23:33] I'm looking for good book recs,

[01:23:35] but yeah.

[01:23:36] You're doing so much.

[01:23:37] You have so many hours in your day.

[01:23:39] Like you just really maximize.

[01:23:40] Oh,

[01:23:41] absolutely.

[01:23:41] It's cause I,

[01:23:42] uh,

[01:23:42] you know,

[01:23:43] I listen,

[01:23:44] I,

[01:23:44] I,

[01:23:45] I learned through osmosis.

[01:23:46] So I'm able to do the most of my day to actually,

[01:23:48] it's like,

[01:23:48] I have 26 hours in a day.

[01:23:50] Incredible.

[01:23:51] Well,

[01:23:51] this was so fun,

[01:23:52] Marianne.

[01:23:52] It was nice to hang out.

[01:23:53] It was nice to hang out too.

[01:23:55] I do have women from New York,

[01:23:57] but this was a good,

[01:23:58] not second option.

[01:24:00] That's what they can't say to Sam,

[01:24:01] you know,

[01:24:01] like,

[01:24:02] no,

[01:24:02] it was,

[01:24:03] it was a top,

[01:24:03] it was an equal top option and I loved it.

[01:24:05] And I had a great time.

[01:24:06] Even when you were like literally demonstrating how to kill chickens,

[01:24:09] I was still having fun because I was with you.

[01:24:10] It's educational.

[01:24:11] We've learned about the chickens and the eggs.

[01:24:14] Exactly.

[01:24:15] What came first?

[01:24:16] Find out next week,

[01:24:17] but that's all we have.

[01:24:18] Thank you,

[01:24:19] Scott.

[01:24:19] Sorry,

[01:24:19] Scott.

[01:24:20] Thank you,

[01:24:21] Marianne,

[01:24:21] my guest.

[01:24:22] Thank you to everyone for listening.

[01:24:24] You will hear from Rob when he is back on the live show,

[01:24:28] back with Steven,

[01:24:28] but we really appreciate you checking out this special edition of the post

[01:24:32] game show.

[01:24:33] So thank you and see you next time.

[01:24:36] Bye.

[01:24:36] Have a good night,

[01:24:37] everyone.