Mari Forth on Survivor B&B: S47 Ep 12

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[00:00:32] Ja, they're playing some games.

[00:00:34] You better pray to your mama that they're not super lame.

[00:00:38] And if that all sounds cool, I can tell you the name.

[00:00:42] It's the R-H-A-P-B-N-B.

[00:00:46] Mike and Leanna, ja, all sounds cool, I can tell you the name.

[00:01:05] Everybody and welcome back to the R-H-A-P-B-N-B for week 12 of Survivor 47

[00:01:11] and Mamma Mia, that's a spicy blindside as we talk about Operation Italy.

[00:01:21] A really huge monumental shift for the season, a top tier episode of the new era.

[00:01:28] Some are calling the best. I'm sure we'll have that discussion today.

[00:01:30] But regardless, we've got a whole ass meal of 90 minutes to dig into as I am joined by the Neapolitan,

[00:01:39] I suppose, of ice cream flavors of panelists here joined by Leanna Boris.

[00:01:43] Leanna, how are you?

[00:01:44] So am I? I'm the white one.

[00:01:46] You're a strawberry.

[00:01:47] Oh, you're a white one.

[00:01:48] Okay, that's a bold claim, Leanna.

[00:01:53] I just call it like I see it. All right?

[00:01:55] I don't know. I think you and I might have to be a race either the bottom or the top,

[00:01:59] depending on how you feel about it.

[00:02:00] About, I don't think you and I have had this conversation in seven years of podcasting.

[00:02:04] Which one's the wider between us?

[00:02:06] I think it just depends who's more embarrassed in the moment, right?

[00:02:10] Like, well, that's always going to be you. Let's be clear here.

[00:02:13] Yeah. I mean, we started strong with a Mamma Mia, that's a spicy meatball or whatever you did.

[00:02:19] So, yeah, maybe I'll get I'll take strawberry. That's fine.

[00:02:22] All right. Well, of course, we are bringing it.

[00:02:24] I tried and true podcaster here on our JP, someone who knows her way around true crime.

[00:02:30] And we are here to talk about a hit laid out on one Caroline Vidmar.

[00:02:34] It is Mari fourth.

[00:02:36] Yeah. Hit man wanted name is Andy.

[00:02:41] If you've seen this man, he has long hair, sparse facial hair.

[00:02:46] He's a R.H.A.P. patron.

[00:02:50] You know, tips.

[00:02:51] You can send tips to the R.H.A.P. B&B.

[00:02:54] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:02:55] If you find them.

[00:02:55] Yeah. If you see Andy, particularly on Wednesdays at 8 p.m.

[00:02:59] on national television, please send us any tips.

[00:03:02] Where could he be?

[00:03:03] It was filmed months ago.

[00:03:05] We'll never find him now.

[00:03:06] Exactly.

[00:03:06] He may have disappeared into the US.

[00:03:08] I mean, he is not really on social media, so maybe he picked the right thing.

[00:03:11] But what a time to maybe poke his head back in because this was so much fun.

[00:03:18] You know, we'll certainly get into, I think, our respective thoughts about the move, about the episode, especially how it compares.

[00:03:23] But God, this is such a unique episode of Survivor, so much so that it kind of felt scripted in a way that it was this idea of they talked about it multiple times, of course, on the on fire podcast and off like a heist episode of like, here's the plan.

[00:03:40] Oh, no, there's a wrinkle in it, a last minute curveball.

[00:03:43] But we're going to work our way through it.

[00:03:45] We're going to, you know, secure the loot in the form of Andy being able to split the underdogs and split them up as well in getting rid of Caroline here.

[00:03:54] Mari, listen, I imagine that post episode three, you're feeling a certain way about Survivor 47.

[00:04:00] But at least from the RJP perspective, are you all back in after this most recent episode?

[00:04:06] You know, I stay watching Survivor mostly because of this community.

[00:04:12] Like, honestly, the community, Jeff, it is the community, honestly.

[00:04:16] Yeah, like I love being able to watch a show and talk about it with the likes of YouTube and all of our patrons and everybody.

[00:04:27] Like, honestly, we all know I like Survivor.

[00:04:31] I might not like it and or know it as deeply as a lot of the people in the community.

[00:04:36] But I just love that we all get to sit here and break down these strategic moves.

[00:04:42] And and I stayed away from all the podcasts this week, so I wouldn't get any influence about my thoughts on this episode, knowing I was coming on here.

[00:04:52] But, you know, after after after our girl left, it was hard for me.

[00:04:57] I was it was rough.

[00:04:59] But I got to say this community is is is what props me, props me into this show, what gets me going, because if I don't watch the show, I can't talk to my friends.

[00:05:10] So, yeah, I'm back in it.

[00:05:12] We're back in it.

[00:05:14] I'm excited for the end game.

[00:05:16] I think I definitely think this episode has a massive repercussions for the end game.

[00:05:22] Now, again, I don't know.

[00:05:23] I didn't listen to everybody else's thoughts, but I think it has a repercussion.

[00:05:26] But I don't think it it shifted a lot to me.

[00:05:30] So I can't wait to talk about that.

[00:05:32] Hmm.

[00:05:32] Right. Like maybe shifted in the micro, but not the macro.

[00:05:36] Right. So like maybe the next couple of votes, but not ultimately in the long game.

[00:05:40] I think I have that similar sense.

[00:05:42] I think for me, the biggest thing about this episode is obviously the receptionist.

[00:05:46] And why is it successful?

[00:05:48] Like that was the first thing that I started digging into.

[00:05:51] And I was thinking about analyzing as a kid.

[00:05:52] Why was it so successful?

[00:05:53] Because I think I saw it's the highest rated episode on IMDB or something like that.

[00:05:58] Definitely for the season.

[00:06:00] And I think it comes down to a few different factors.

[00:06:03] The first being it's a fun, strategic move, just like in and of itself.

[00:06:08] Right. Getting a majority to do a vote split, then a flip to send someone else home.

[00:06:13] So fun.

[00:06:14] You have that. You have the fake idol.

[00:06:16] You have the narrative that surrounds the way it was told as this heist.

[00:06:21] And you have the sort of underdog story.

[00:06:24] So I just think that there's like reason upon reason upon reason why this was such a fun and successful episode.

[00:06:30] Yeah, I completely agree in that.

[00:06:33] Listen, I will say it was it was a very good move.

[00:06:37] Is it like one of the best moves in Survivor history?

[00:06:40] I mean, Andy is basically doing what JT did during the Cerevo and Heroes versus Villains, which is like, oh, the majority splitting the vote.

[00:06:48] Let me hop on that plurality and for somebody out that I want to get out.

[00:06:51] So like, I don't say it's exactly next level, but it is maybe one of the most exciting moves of the new era, especially in that to your point, Mari.

[00:06:59] I mean, I think maybe I don't know if this is a hot take, but I think for me, one of the reasons why I like the move from Andy's perspective is like, I still don't know if this is something that can win him the game.

[00:07:11] But it gave him a much better shot of doing so. I think if the perception coming in was that, as was talked about last week, oh, him and Sue are the big goats.

[00:07:19] I think he bumped it up from zero percent to like twenty five percent.

[00:07:23] Maybe at least he now has something that he can like truly call us as oh, now we'll talk about whether that would reverb, you know, positively or negatively towards him in the end.

[00:07:32] But I think that's where it's really interesting as well, is that it does feel like of them three to do this.

[00:07:38] Obviously, Jen have even say I'm acting they're both their best interests, protecting themselves and being like, I want to make sure that I could also have another threat besides me.

[00:07:46] But it's also really interesting to have Andy be in this position that we've seen a couple times in the new era with people like Marianne, with people like Jesse to be like, I'm going to single handedly take control of my fate in this moment.

[00:08:00] And who knows, it might still be a gamble down the line. But I'm going to try something here.

[00:08:06] And I will also say, I don't know, we could we discuss this as to like whether or not you thought it would be successful.

[00:08:14] I know that some perhaps detractors of the episode did say that it felt like, you know, there wasn't really going to be any other option.

[00:08:21] I would agree. I mean, look, the Caroline edit was certainly a bit on the nose with her talking about like, I see the final.

[00:08:30] The final tribal council. This is exactly how all the votes are going to go.

[00:08:34] You're like, the show's not going to actively spoiled the last two weeks of the game by laying out the plan right there.

[00:08:40] But regardless, Mari, it was still a really fun site to behold.

[00:08:44] And especially even through like, you know, Genevieve and Sam doing the entire theater of tribal council of like, oh, I won't play my idol.

[00:08:53] Whatever happens, happens, Sam. We'll always have our time at the Italian reward.

[00:08:59] Yeah, it's it's a lot going on. Right. So first off, let me start with the perception in the edit.

[00:09:05] Like the edit itself was very, very interesting. I went back. I rewatched it, of course.

[00:09:09] And it it's like it edits as a normal survivor episode in a sense of like they come up with this opera, like the Operation Italy.

[00:09:18] They come up with this big plan. They talk about it before immunity.

[00:09:21] And then at immunity, their target gets immunity.

[00:09:25] And it's like another. This happens all the time.

[00:09:28] But then, you know, they're able to pivot and they choose a different target.

[00:09:32] And then once they choose a different target in Caroline, that's when we start getting kind of like the heavy handedness of like Genevieve telling us all the ways it could go wrong and stuff like that.

[00:09:42] And it's like I think once you go back and you know the outcome, that's when the edit kind of is like, oh, yeah, like this is going to happen.

[00:09:51] But in the first rewatch, we're all sitting here like I know I was like, OK, this is not going to happen.

[00:09:59] You know, it never goes to plan.

[00:10:02] So I think if you go if you go into it not knowing they did a good job, you know, they did a good job of the edit.

[00:10:11] And it's just going to be one of those episodes.

[00:10:13] I'm not surprised that it's actually the highest rated because they did a phenomenal job on editing the spy music, the dodo music with teeny the dodo music and some of the spots where you think it might not happen.

[00:10:28] And I think this will be one of those things that is referenced in the long run.

[00:10:32] I like congrats to Andy Genevieve and Sam.

[00:10:34] I think Operation Italy will be in the zeitgeist of Survivor going on now.

[00:10:40] Now, back to the original thing, does this help Andy?

[00:10:45] You know, I think.

[00:10:48] It's about your perception, because he said his perception was a goad.

[00:10:52] It says his perception was all of this.

[00:10:55] I'm wondering.

[00:10:56] We got at the end after after Caroline's voted out, we got Saul saying Andy flipped again and it was not Andy flipped again.

[00:11:05] It's the Rorschach test.

[00:11:06] Is it like Andy flipped again?

[00:11:08] Wow.

[00:11:09] Look at how.

[00:11:09] Yeah, was it like Andy flipped again?

[00:11:12] Andy flipped again.

[00:11:14] Exactly.

[00:11:14] And that and maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it feels like you're that that animosity like that Cochran animosity.

[00:11:21] You know what I'm saying?

[00:11:22] Like, so does it help any in the long run?

[00:11:26] My thought process is, yes, if he gets to the finals with maybe a teeny and a Sue.

[00:11:34] But your problem is Rachel is still there.

[00:11:37] And Rachel.

[00:11:40] I love her like I I'm like, I love Rachel.

[00:11:45] And the fact that she was the original target and she had the immunity and they still went through it.

[00:11:51] I think this will actually it'll operationally will actually backfire because I'm not getting out her her stealer vote, her blocker vote or whatever.

[00:12:01] That was the main tragedy of Operation Italy failing when it comes to Rachel, because to me, for where I'm sitting, there's no way Rachel doesn't make it to four.

[00:12:12] And so and then at four, she either needs to win immunity or win fire.

[00:12:17] And if Rachel is sitting in that final three, I don't under I don't know how anybody else wins the game because she managed to have a hidden immunity idol.

[00:12:27] And like we saw how important I hit hidden immunity idol can be when it's not played with Marianne.

[00:12:33] But Rachel now has all of the information to play that thing correctly to get her to the end with the people she wants to get to the end with.

[00:12:44] And I think it's going to be very hard to get around everything that she has.

[00:12:49] Like, I don't see how next week either a Sam or Genevieve don't go home.

[00:12:53] Yeah, if I'm them, I'm still not I'm still not going to target Andy because I still think I was still think Andy has more heat on them on him than a Sam or Genevieve.

[00:13:01] And plus, everybody doesn't know the inner workings of Operation Italy.

[00:13:06] So to me, as I re rewatched it, I was like, these people can think that this is Sam and Genevieve's plan and that Andy just flipped to it.

[00:13:15] We know that it was Andy's plan, but more than likely, they just think that he just flipped over.

[00:13:20] Andy was not joining in on that was a two person scene at that tribal council with like player idol, don't player idol.

[00:13:25] Andy was the one that was more so acting like flabbergasted of, oh, my God, I can't believe that you said there were things going on at camp while we were away.

[00:13:33] Exactly. So I so I'm still I'm still trying to get Sam out.

[00:13:38] I'm still trying to get Genevieve out at six. And you can do that with a block of vote.

[00:13:43] I there's there's no to me, there's no way that not either one of them doesn't go home there.

[00:13:48] We know they don't have idols. We know where the two idols are.

[00:13:50] We know that Rachel has the block of vote. Rachel knows that people are coming after her.

[00:13:54] You know what I'm saying? So and I don't see and I don't see teeny like the the edit,

[00:14:01] the edit of the next time on kind of made it seem like, oh, teeny could kind of flip over there.

[00:14:06] But she absolutely despises Sam. We saw that.

[00:14:10] And then Sue just got her best friend sniped from her. Why would she go over there?

[00:14:15] Yeah, so they're locked in three in my locked in three.

[00:14:19] So to me, Operation Italy kind of backfires when you don't get rid of the main part.

[00:14:25] You didn't get rid of the mafia boss. You got rid of the enforcer.

[00:14:28] So now you just have a you have two more even more staunch bodyguards text protecting that mafia boss.

[00:14:36] So I loved it. I love the episode. I love the outcome.

[00:14:40] I feel bad for Caroline to be kind of like, you know, a casualty of all of this.

[00:14:45] But I feel like it is going to be what it's going to be so fun going forward.

[00:14:50] And now that all the information is out there and somebody has a a a a blind idol.

[00:14:55] The idols can be used at five, right? They can. Yeah.

[00:14:58] Oh, come on. Like, yeah.

[00:15:00] How does she not get to four?

[00:15:02] Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

[00:15:03] I mean, I assume use the block of vote next week.

[00:15:07] One. You have to because that's the last time you can use it.

[00:15:10] Right. So one of Sam Genevieve or Andy, even if they're still concerned about the idol,

[00:15:15] which that's the other thing that I really picked up on at the very end.

[00:15:19] When we go back to the or the conversation about, oh, am I going to play the idol?

[00:15:23] They really leaned into that to give themselves potentially protection for next week.

[00:15:29] And also, I think, make sure like because I think if Genevieve plays something,

[00:15:34] even if it's regard, I mean, I guess it would be sort of blown up at the moment as fake.

[00:15:37] But like that could also push someone like Sue.

[00:15:40] And I don't know if they know Sue has an idol, but like I could push her to be like,

[00:15:44] oh, I'm going to play this on Caroline.

[00:15:45] If something's going down and Genevieve has something.

[00:15:48] Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

[00:15:49] So I think, yeah.

[00:15:50] So that works from multiple perspectives and it sets them up also for next week where,

[00:15:54] OK, now they have to use the block of vote, but maybe they end up targeting Andy.

[00:15:58] Because even though I understand like Andy didn't get credit, it's a way to protect against

[00:16:04] you don't know who the idol is going to be played for.

[00:16:07] And I mean, I guess, though, it's just block of vote.

[00:16:10] It's not steal of vote.

[00:16:11] Right.

[00:16:11] So they still only have three votes.

[00:16:13] So they can't split two, two.

[00:16:16] Right.

[00:16:16] And they could do they could split like two, one.

[00:16:18] And then in a revote, if no idol is played, then just vote out that person.

[00:16:23] After that, I'm not splitting nothing.

[00:16:25] Like, I know.

[00:16:26] Especially after that.

[00:16:26] That's true.

[00:16:27] That's the other thing that Andy like, much like getting rid of the shot in the dark,

[00:16:30] change the game.

[00:16:31] Maybe like Andy put the fear of God and people that want to split the vote moving forward.

[00:16:36] And on the next time on, somebody is telling Sue that Genevieve's idol is fake.

[00:16:44] I can't remember who.

[00:16:46] So so the the thought of it being a fake idol is out there.

[00:16:50] And that's the other thing as well, is that there is also a sizable chance that like

[00:16:53] it's not say Andy flips back, but I think he could very easily be like, yeah, I want

[00:16:58] to work with them for this one vote because and that's the other thing as well for me

[00:17:01] that I guess for me, the the sort of big ace up the sleeve as to why Andy should have

[00:17:07] made this move is whether he realized it or not.

[00:17:10] Again, Caroline's foreshadowing monologue of this is how the rest of the game is going

[00:17:14] to go and the fact that, OK, like if Sam and Genevieve do go next now, he's at least

[00:17:19] guaranteed fourth instead of being guaranteed fifth.

[00:17:22] And when you get to four in Modern Survivor, whoever you're with doesn't matter.

[00:17:27] Like it only matters if the immunity winner takes you to the end.

[00:17:30] Otherwise, basically, when you get to four alliances are kind of done.

[00:17:34] You just have two outs to get to the end.

[00:17:36] And that's basically it.

[00:17:37] And so I do think from that perspective, I like what Andy did.

[00:17:42] Again, I don't know if he realized in the moment how much danger he would have been in if he

[00:17:47] had stuck with the underdogs.

[00:17:49] And again, to Mari's point and to your point as well, Liana, there's still a fair chance

[00:17:53] he gets to the end and nobody's willing to give him the time of day.

[00:17:57] I mean, again, Sierra is going to be like a forever anti Andy vote.

[00:18:01] But I think he was nudging his odds here with the move that he made, which is what we want

[00:18:07] Survivor players to do in the end game.

[00:18:09] Yeah.

[00:18:10] I'm sorry.

[00:18:11] Can we talk about Teenie's edit, though?

[00:18:15] A rewatch of that?

[00:18:17] I was like.

[00:18:18] They're playing in their face like the Survivor editors.

[00:18:23] What did Teenie do to them?

[00:18:25] Like what?

[00:18:26] Why do they they do not like her like they don't they don't like them.

[00:18:30] Like, I just don't I can't.

[00:18:32] I can't.

[00:18:32] I can't.

[00:18:33] I was when you're rewatching that, you're like, oh, no, the whole Sam has to go.

[00:18:40] We know what's going to happen.

[00:18:41] Like he quit the game.

[00:18:43] Props to a great impression, though.

[00:18:45] That was an amazing impression.

[00:18:46] That was so good.

[00:18:47] So funny.

[00:18:49] With the hand movements, too.

[00:18:52] And like the head in the hands of like, oh, I just freaked out in the moment.

[00:18:55] I'm so sorry.

[00:18:56] But the constant reaction, like going to Teenie's face.

[00:19:01] How many times has he been blindsided at Tribal at this point?

[00:19:05] I like on Saul, now Caroline.

[00:19:09] Well, oh, like I so to me, it's I thought it was giving winner.

[00:19:16] But now I'm thinking it's giving go.

[00:19:18] Like I'm thinking it's giving final three, though, unfortunately, which sucks because

[00:19:26] Teenie says it here that they love to play with emotion.

[00:19:31] And I agree.

[00:19:32] That's why they're still there.

[00:19:33] And that's why I'm still rooting for them, even though we know what happened in episode

[00:19:38] three.

[00:19:41] But just how many times can you get blindsided by a vote and being on the wrong side of the

[00:19:46] information before it's like, I don't care how much I like you.

[00:19:50] I can't vote for you to get this million dollars.

[00:19:53] You know what I'm saying?

[00:19:54] And I think we've reached that.

[00:19:56] I think we've reached that point.

[00:19:58] I'm sorry.

[00:19:58] We're at the final six.

[00:20:00] And on top of that, the nail in the coffin could be Teenie saying at Tribal Council, well,

[00:20:05] we've already established a pecking order.

[00:20:07] So and like in front of the jury, we've already established a pecking order.

[00:20:12] So that's what's going to happen.

[00:20:13] And then it doesn't happen.

[00:20:15] I'm like I can.

[00:20:16] I'm sorry if I'm sitting on that jury.

[00:20:18] I cannot give you my vote for a million unless you're sitting next to somebody I truly

[00:20:22] hate.

[00:20:22] And then I unless they really, really despise Andy.

[00:20:27] I don't see a reason to vote for Teenie to me.

[00:20:33] I think Teenie could make an argument if they end up getting there.

[00:20:37] Right.

[00:20:37] Which is this idea of being the perpetual underdog having to shift strategy.

[00:20:41] Like, I think that there's potentially a way to make the argument.

[00:20:44] Does that get you first place?

[00:20:46] I don't know, but I think that Teenie could definitely get a couple of votes.

[00:20:49] In my opinion, I just think, yeah, Teenie is getting the Charlie Brown like sad sack at

[00:20:55] it.

[00:20:55] Right.

[00:20:55] It's kind of a thing.

[00:20:57] So especially with the fact that Teenie's bag caught on fire, like those are the things

[00:21:02] that I go back to.

[00:21:03] It's not.

[00:21:03] Oh, man, that was my favorite peanut special was when Charlie Brown's bag caught on fire.

[00:21:07] I know the backpack caught on fire.

[00:21:09] We all love that episode.

[00:21:10] My favorite special.

[00:21:12] So that's for me.

[00:21:14] It's a wildfire, Charlie Brown.

[00:21:17] Oh, no.

[00:21:19] I love it.

[00:21:20] Oh, good grief.

[00:21:21] I think I think that Teenie, I don't know in my head what would be such high and I feel

[00:21:26] really bad because I drafted Teenie.

[00:21:28] I'm rooting for Teenie.

[00:21:29] And Teenie, even with the edit, you know, came to social media to say like, look, and

[00:21:33] Teenie's young too.

[00:21:35] Right.

[00:21:35] This is giving me an opportunity to reflect on who I am.

[00:21:37] And I think this is really a growth opportunity for Teenie, at least from what I've seen so

[00:21:41] far.

[00:21:41] But Teenie losing fire would just sort of be funny.

[00:21:45] Well, they have.

[00:21:46] Yeah.

[00:21:46] They have a little bit of an aversion to it, I think.

[00:21:49] Yeah, exactly.

[00:21:50] Teenie's bag caught on fire.

[00:21:51] Teenie's game essentially went up in flames, but then can't go up in flames when they need

[00:21:56] it to go up in flames.

[00:21:58] Like, it's very singularly funny about that.

[00:22:01] So, look, I would love for Teenie to be able to get to the final three and articulate their

[00:22:06] case.

[00:22:06] But I would accept that as an alternative outcome as well.

[00:22:10] Yeah.

[00:22:10] I mean, I think for me, first off, there's a little bit of a duality here in that I will

[00:22:14] say it again.

[00:22:15] Like, I love people expressing their emotions on Survivor.

[00:22:19] I think we are far and away past the sort of game bot era that we got in the early 30s.

[00:22:25] And especially these past few seasons have been some more personality driven ones, maybe

[00:22:30] not as like emotionally driven as a 46.

[00:22:33] But listen, you're living in an incredibly pressurized, deprivation laden environment.

[00:22:39] It only makes sense for you to feel the way that you did.

[00:22:42] Teenie's also super fan.

[00:22:43] Maybe they were trying to channel Liz, who whose big standout episode they had just watched

[00:22:48] prior to coming out to play.

[00:22:50] And like, I want my own reward meltdown for not getting picked.

[00:22:54] Like, the entire monologue, the Shaquilla that they went on back at camp was so funny.

[00:23:00] And like, I'm trying to figure out from everyone else's perspective, if they were hopping on

[00:23:03] board.

[00:23:03] I know that Sue was.

[00:23:04] Sue was like, oh, someone else has a hate boner?

[00:23:06] Fantastic.

[00:23:07] Let me.

[00:23:07] I got rid of my main source of antipathy.

[00:23:11] Yes.

[00:23:11] Good.

[00:23:12] Go to the dark side, T.D.

[00:23:14] Like, see what the set covered Emperor Palpatine vibes to her.

[00:23:18] But that being said, as much as I loved just the emotional reaction to everything,

[00:23:23] I think I cannot say this was objectively a bad edit for Teenie.

[00:23:27] Not only that, but to your point, Mari, the being confidently incorrect about everything

[00:23:34] in this episode of Sam just quit the game.

[00:23:37] He made the worst decisions.

[00:23:38] Now, look, I don't know if Sam had ulterior motives, more so than what he expressed in the

[00:23:43] moment as to who he picked.

[00:23:44] I do think he kind of lucked into picking the right people to go on that reward rather than

[00:23:50] just reenact scenes from an Italian restaurant.

[00:23:53] But, you know, to your point, through the confessionals, through tribal council, just

[00:23:57] Teenie being so incredibly confident.

[00:24:00] And maybe that's part of the roller coaster vibes of feeling like you're on the bottom.

[00:24:04] Like, yes, I finally am in a majority alliance.

[00:24:06] I'm in a position of power.

[00:24:07] And now I can look down and gloat upon it because you idiot, Sam, you quarterback, you

[00:24:13] you fumbled the ball at the one yard line with a guaranteed walk in touchdown.

[00:24:17] I took it back.

[00:24:18] I'm running it back for a pick six.

[00:24:20] And like that was not the case whatsoever.

[00:24:24] And so I am intrigued to see how they move forward.

[00:24:26] I wouldn't say exactly go just yet because we can look at certain winners who have strung

[00:24:33] together a really impressive series of single handed moves from like the final six onwards

[00:24:38] that have given them a good case of winning.

[00:24:41] We still have a few rounds of play that Teenie could do something.

[00:24:45] But it goes back to to your point, Mari, the Rachel of it all.

[00:24:49] And even like a Genevieve, even a Sam to a certain extent, where I do feel like if any of

[00:24:54] those people are sitting in the end with Teenie, there's a good chance they get more votes than

[00:24:59] them.

[00:25:00] So Teenie kind of has to operate only under at my at my perspective, the only winning scenario

[00:25:07] for them at the moment would be like sitting next to Andy and Sue.

[00:25:11] And that perception of Andy and Sue carries through.

[00:25:14] Yeah.

[00:25:14] And I hope Andy realizes that, too, because Andy can't take full responsibility of Operation

[00:25:21] Italy if he's sitting next to a Sam and Genevieve at the end as well.

[00:25:25] So I hope he he realizes that as well and gets rid of the two of them, because I personally

[00:25:34] want to say Andy, Teenie, Sue, Rachel, Final Four.

[00:25:37] That's what I want to see, because at that point, I'm just big chilling.

[00:25:42] Honestly.

[00:25:42] Honestly, so this was such a this was such a great episode.

[00:25:47] It was such a good character study and like tribe dynamic.

[00:25:52] Yeah.

[00:25:52] And I love that as well to go back to the Star Wars analogy.

[00:25:56] Like, I love the the trajectories of Genevieve and Teenie at Tribal Council of like Genevieve

[00:26:03] being like, I've learned to let my walls down and really, you know, truly embrace the idea

[00:26:10] of connection, because if I don't, it's left me out on an island where my dad peeps in through

[00:26:15] the letters and says, are you winning, son?

[00:26:17] And I say, no, dad, I haven't made any friends.

[00:26:20] And then Teenie, on the other hand, is like, no, I've learned that my emotions jeopardize

[00:26:26] my position and that I should burn them at all costs.

[00:26:29] It's so interesting to see two people take, you know, the the same interaction and go in

[00:26:36] completely opposite directions.

[00:26:37] Mm hmm.

[00:26:39] Yeah.

[00:26:40] Yeah.

[00:26:40] I think the the the actual the sanctuary where good things happen, I thought was very fascinating

[00:26:47] because it was, you know, you think about Sam's position in the game and how he's who's

[00:26:53] going to choose, you know, what's his plan, what's his move.

[00:26:56] And then it was like, OK, well, he ended up choosing Andy because he promised you would

[00:26:59] choose Andy.

[00:27:00] And then Andy is the one who came with the plan.

[00:27:03] Yeah.

[00:27:03] So that was also very interesting to see.

[00:27:06] And also very funny in a season with Rome, we get Operation Italy.

[00:27:09] He was not involved.

[00:27:11] But I did.

[00:27:12] Pouya and I were joking that we thought that Operation Italy was good because we saw the

[00:27:16] title of the episode was going to refer to somebody getting the boot.

[00:27:19] So I'm actually kind of upset that that didn't happen.

[00:27:21] But I'll take Italian food being the motivation for the name as well.

[00:27:25] Great.

[00:27:26] Yeah, that's interesting.

[00:27:27] And I know that some people had said should it be the Italian job?

[00:27:32] But I'm pretty sure that I'd done some research that Operation Italy, I'm pretty sure was like

[00:27:36] an actual thing from World War Two.

[00:27:39] And listen, I mean, Andy voted in German at one point.

[00:27:43] Maybe he's just a big World War Two head.

[00:27:44] And so he's like, yeah, I know exactly what I'm going to reference.

[00:27:48] We're encroaching upon 100 years past that moment.

[00:27:52] It's time to bring back the conversation.

[00:27:54] He's a big World War Two guy.

[00:27:57] Oh, no.

[00:27:58] No.

[00:28:00] Yeah.

[00:28:02] I mean, look, I think we can all agree that this was a very fun episode.

[00:28:07] I think it sets the stage for the endgame, especially this being the penultimate episode,

[00:28:13] because but again, whatever.

[00:28:15] We'll quibble with that later.

[00:28:17] Yeah, that was so confusing to me.

[00:28:19] I was like, huh?

[00:28:20] It's a two part finale.

[00:28:21] Two part four hour finale.

[00:28:23] What's so wrong about that?

[00:28:24] It's a you know, you know what it is, is that some people celebrate their birthday.

[00:28:29] Some people celebrate their birth week.

[00:28:31] Some even go so far to say their birth month.

[00:28:33] This is just Survivor being like our finale is so good.

[00:28:36] It's taking place across a fortnight.

[00:28:38] Yes.

[00:28:39] OK.

[00:28:39] It comes to you.

[00:28:40] I was like, because I'm kind of planning to go to Bryson Wynn next week.

[00:28:44] So I was like, wait, am I going to be there for four hours?

[00:28:47] And then when I said 11, like 11, 18th, I was like, oh, great.

[00:28:52] So I was like, oh, so not much.

[00:28:54] You just announced you're adding 30 more minutes to the next two episodes.

[00:28:58] Like, I don't know what I was so confused.

[00:29:01] I was I was very confused.

[00:29:03] Yeah, it's it's fine.

[00:29:04] I mean, I think I've talked about this before on the pod.

[00:29:07] Like to me, this is CBS basically being like, well, the summit is over.

[00:29:12] And so we need to fill that 930 to 10 slot.

[00:29:14] And Survivor's like, OK, it's a two week, four hour finale.

[00:29:20] What's interesting is that in the press release, it says two immunity challenges and two tribal

[00:29:24] councils.

[00:29:25] If we're to take that literally, I don't know if that means we're going to like we'll most

[00:29:30] likely get two boots, but we might not.

[00:29:33] But it might be a Mari, you and I talked to Exile Island over the summer.

[00:29:37] It might be the classic to be continued.

[00:29:39] So reboot into the final four of like, well, we got to get rid of our final five boot here

[00:29:44] because otherwise the finale would just be final four fire making the final tribal council

[00:29:48] in the after show.

[00:29:50] Oh, no.

[00:29:51] What?

[00:29:52] Can I can I just list things I liked from this episode?

[00:29:57] Of course you can.

[00:29:58] OK, great.

[00:29:59] I loved the quote about Becca Beach where bad things happen.

[00:30:03] Yeah, it was the exact opposite of the sanctuary.

[00:30:07] Exactly.

[00:30:08] The sanctuary where good things happen.

[00:30:09] Becca Beach where bad things happen.

[00:30:10] That was very funny in the reward challenge.

[00:30:14] Both Genevieve and Caroline did a little when they were jumping over the log.

[00:30:18] That was very funny.

[00:30:20] I enjoyed that.

[00:30:21] Sam has never had tiramisu.

[00:30:24] Are we surprised?

[00:30:26] It's pronounced tiramisu.

[00:30:28] Oh, sorry.

[00:30:29] Yes.

[00:30:29] Tiara misu.

[00:30:30] I'm so sick of him and his limited palate, which sounds like if Sue like, you know, at

[00:30:37] this point in the game where she's calling Rachel, what's her name?

[00:30:39] Like if she was at the merge introducing herself to Sierra and Sierra goes, oh, I'm

[00:30:43] Sierra.

[00:30:44] She goes, oh, Tiara, me, Sue.

[00:30:48] They're like, oh, I don't know.

[00:30:50] Anyway, it's day 26.

[00:30:54] Mike, I'm going to need you to please write this down.

[00:30:57] When you do your exit interview with Genevieve.

[00:30:59] Can you please ask if she got her eyebrows laminated before coming out onto Survivor?

[00:31:04] It's very relevant to me.

[00:31:05] Are you talking like laminated or are you doing like tattooed eyebrows like Sierra Dawn Thomas?

[00:31:09] No, laminated.

[00:31:10] Yes.

[00:31:11] Does that mean like, I mean, all I think I get to like, uh, like elementary school.

[00:31:15] Not like a laminate.

[00:31:16] No, no, no.

[00:31:18] I think I would also like to know the answer to that question.

[00:31:21] This is what everybody wants to know because her eyebrows always look amazing.

[00:31:25] And also I started noticing she was having bows in her hair that matched the color of

[00:31:30] the row that she was in.

[00:31:31] So she had a blue one and then a purple one for the immunity challenge.

[00:31:35] And I thought that that was very cute.

[00:31:37] So is that like, cause they, they sometimes in this season are given like ribbons for the

[00:31:42] colors that they are.

[00:31:43] Is it that she ties it up?

[00:31:44] Okay.

[00:31:45] I didn't know if there's like a mini mouse, a bow for all occasions.

[00:31:49] You know, I couldn't bring my luxury items into the game for production.

[00:31:52] Let me bring in a rainbow assortment of bows.

[00:31:55] Yeah.

[00:31:56] I don't think that that was it.

[00:31:58] Like that was her, you know, when in Survivor you used to get your object from home or whatever.

[00:32:02] Yeah.

[00:32:03] I don't, I don't think that that was her object from home.

[00:32:05] I think it was probably given to her.

[00:32:06] But anyway, I'm sure there were a few other things, but those are the ones that popped to

[00:32:10] my mind.

[00:32:10] Well, I'm surprised Liana.

[00:32:12] You didn't point out the next chapter in Andy fucks the challenge saga.

[00:32:17] Did you see?

[00:32:18] So first off this stage of the challenge, which is very fun of navigating it through the wire

[00:32:23] maze.

[00:32:24] But instead of balls, this time we have moved, I suppose, northward in the anatomy of it all.

[00:32:29] Liana, you might be able to clarify that.

[00:32:31] But we have the double sided warrior staff, which listen, I haven't been to some bachelorette

[00:32:36] parties, but I'm pretty sure that gets commonly given out as a favor.

[00:32:40] But there's at one point where Andy has this technique where let me stand up and turn.

[00:32:45] Yes, please.

[00:32:46] Oh, God.

[00:32:47] And he goes.

[00:32:48] Oh, Jesus.

[00:32:50] I feel bad for whoever is watching the video.

[00:32:54] We've seen it.

[00:32:55] Thank you, Mike.

[00:32:55] I have just something for people that might not have noticed it.

[00:32:58] I think it was the angle of your camera that was really the most inappropriate in that

[00:33:02] moment.

[00:33:02] But yes.

[00:33:03] Full frontal.

[00:33:04] OK.

[00:33:04] Mike's humped the camera.

[00:33:06] It's fine.

[00:33:06] So yes.

[00:33:08] Yes.

[00:33:08] That's just Andy.

[00:33:09] So I there's a the theory is those are his strongest muscles.

[00:33:14] And so, you know, if you're trying to lift something, you try to like you default to sort

[00:33:21] of your strongest muscles over maybe what the appropriate technique is.

[00:33:25] So the theory is that Andy's thrusting muscles are the strongest.

[00:33:29] So that's what he's utilizing to do all of the tasks.

[00:33:32] So can we brainstorm here?

[00:33:33] Because Liana, I think for a while you and I have tried to been prognosticating of like

[00:33:36] Andy will win an immunity challenge.

[00:33:39] Is there one in the current repertoire that would be able to help this particular set

[00:33:44] of muscles?

[00:33:45] The only thing I can think of is that big brother challenge where you have to rock on

[00:33:49] the horse.

[00:33:51] Oh, yeah.

[00:33:52] And you like you that it's literally just the thrusting or.

[00:33:57] Yeah, that's about it.

[00:33:59] So if they do that, that's for sure.

[00:34:02] So I mean, listen, you only have one hand, but maybe you could choose something else to

[00:34:07] pick the ball up.

[00:34:11] There's no rule against it.

[00:34:14] It's technically fine.

[00:34:16] It's technically fine.

[00:34:17] I do want to pull the group here because I also, you know, put out the question on social

[00:34:22] media yesterday at the time we're recording this.

[00:34:25] In your opinion, Mari, is this the best episode of the new era?

[00:34:33] I'm the worst person to ask this because it literally goes in and out for me.

[00:34:38] Well, this is good, though, because I'm sure there are like a couple that might jump to

[00:34:41] the front of your head when you think of the best episode.

[00:34:43] So it's like, you know, it's going to be less so about, oh, well, the ticky tack.

[00:34:47] If you remember this episode, it'll be right.

[00:34:49] More so from your perspective, like the big ones.

[00:34:51] How does it stack up to it?

[00:34:52] I mean, the only the only other one that's really coming to me is Cody's vote out.

[00:34:59] Again, maybe it's because I watched it at Bryson Wynn.

[00:35:02] But I honestly, I'll give it to them.

[00:35:06] I like this episode.

[00:35:07] This was this was this was a very, very fun episode.

[00:35:12] Caleb, Caleb shot in the dark hitting.

[00:35:17] Nah, nah, nah.

[00:35:18] It's like and that's another thing.

[00:35:20] I think you you go with this episode because we don't know what the fallout is, you know,

[00:35:23] and it's easier to sit in the moment of this episode.

[00:35:26] You know what I'm saying?

[00:35:28] And not being clouded by what comes next.

[00:35:31] So I'm gonna go with Operation Italy.

[00:35:32] Yeah, let's do it.

[00:35:33] Let's say it's the number one.

[00:35:35] What about you, Liana?

[00:35:36] Yeah, well, I mean, and recency bias for sure.

[00:35:38] I think for me, it plays a role in this.

[00:35:40] So Pooja and I, I just I just let my brain I tried to like empty my brain and then just

[00:35:44] let survivor moments from the new era pop into my brain.

[00:35:46] The first it popped my brain was Gabler winning Survivor 43.

[00:35:51] That was the first it popped my brain because I remember we were all just like, what the hell

[00:35:54] is happening right now?

[00:35:56] So for some reason, that moment popped my brain.

[00:35:58] The Caleb shot in the dark for sure was also on my list.

[00:36:01] The double episode of D and like D turning on Drew.

[00:36:09] The like sort of that like sequence of events.

[00:36:12] Yeah, a lot of people say the the New Orleans episode that we had last year, which was D telling

[00:36:18] Julie to idle out Emily getting information from Austin was also a very good one.

[00:36:23] Yeah, like that sort of endgame series of events were the ones that were to me like very

[00:36:28] interesting and those like stand out in my mind, but also potentially a little recency

[00:36:32] bias.

[00:36:33] But apart from that, I was thinking, OK, what's what's the big move?

[00:36:37] And not even necessarily that this move in and of itself is something completely new and

[00:36:41] novel that we've never seen before.

[00:36:43] It's essentially a minority taking advantage of a vote split.

[00:36:47] That's really all it is.

[00:36:48] But as I mentioned at the beginning of the episode, there are the beginning of this podcast.

[00:36:52] There's so many reasons why it makes it good that add up.

[00:36:55] Right.

[00:36:55] So the move is fun.

[00:36:57] The editing is fun.

[00:36:57] The underdog story is fun.

[00:36:59] And I think that that is what really solidifies it as one of the top episodes, if not the

[00:37:03] top episode of the new era.

[00:37:05] And that's what makes it also kind of different as much as I brought this question up to compare

[00:37:09] it to the other episodes is because it does feel so entirely different, because for me,

[00:37:15] I think it is one of the best.

[00:37:17] I don't know if it's the best.

[00:37:19] And this is going to be a bit of an odd comparison.

[00:37:21] But to me, Operation Italy was a movie and Cody's Boot was an episode of a TV show.

[00:37:29] Not only quite literally, but like Operation Italy, to your point, Mari, even just as an

[00:37:35] isolated incident, no matter what happens afterwards, is a lot of fun.

[00:37:40] Yes, it does maybe predicate a little bit on it.

[00:37:42] You know, I love the fact that despite this like random seed that got planted a while ago

[00:37:47] of, oh, Andy and Genevieve want to work together and it's never fully materialized.

[00:37:51] Now it actually has with Genevieve coming to Andy hat in hand and being like, OK, I'm so

[00:37:56] sorry.

[00:37:57] I want to I said that thing about you being a goat.

[00:37:59] He's like, no, actually, that's just what I needed to enact my plan.

[00:38:02] And for the two of them to work together was awesome.

[00:38:05] But by and large, you know, this was a story that had a beginning, middle and end contained

[00:38:09] therein.

[00:38:10] What makes Cody's Blind Side, I think it's called Telenovela, so captivating to me was

[00:38:15] that it really was predicated on an entire season of backstory.

[00:38:19] You know, it was this idea of Jesse and Cody working together from the beginning of this

[00:38:24] storyline of Jesse being given an idol and holding on to it and also being given Cody's

[00:38:30] idol as well and getting to like see all that build up to this tragic breaking point.

[00:38:35] It's also really interesting because, again, as you mentioned, Liana, there is this sort

[00:38:38] of with apologies to Caroline fans, a very fun, positive.

[00:38:42] Oh, my God, I can't believe we pulled this off mood.

[00:38:45] It's the, you know, blowing up the Death Star type of moment at the end of Return of

[00:38:50] the Jedi for Operation Italy.

[00:38:52] Cody and Jesse is more like the end of Empire Strikes Back where it's like, oh, my God,

[00:38:57] this is brutal.

[00:38:58] I can't believe that ended up happening.

[00:39:00] I guess maybe it's more so the end of the end of what you call Revenge of the Sith.

[00:39:03] And it's like, here's this brotherhood that was broken apart by by one person.

[00:39:06] But I do really like it because to me, I don't think there's anything in the new era that

[00:39:13] has captivated me so much as that like five which felt like five minute pause between Cody

[00:39:20] getting voted out and standing up and just looking at Jesse.

[00:39:24] And you're like, are we going to get someone DQ for the first time for like just absolutely

[00:39:28] laying into a guy?

[00:39:30] And he's like, no, he's going to shake his hand.

[00:39:32] So it's almost tough.

[00:39:34] I would almost say apples and oranges not to, you know, throw out two fruits that Sam

[00:39:39] maybe has never tried in his life between the two episodes.

[00:39:42] But I think for my personal taste in Survivor, I think Telenovela would just nudge out Operation

[00:39:49] Italy.

[00:39:50] Hmm.

[00:39:50] Hmm.

[00:39:51] I think there was.

[00:39:53] OK, I hear what you're saying.

[00:39:55] And I agree in terms of a multi-part through line that led up to Cody's boot.

[00:40:03] I think there were elements that build up to Operation Italy, particularly all the Andy

[00:40:09] stuff with Andy saying, I'm the evil one.

[00:40:12] I'm gathering the people.

[00:40:13] I'm putting all these things together.

[00:40:15] Like I remember saying in my head, what what is this leading to?

[00:40:19] Like, what is this leading towards?

[00:40:20] This is leading towards something.

[00:40:22] Turns out it was leading towards Operation Italy, I think, narratively.

[00:40:25] So I think there was some build up to it, but it certainly wasn't as nuanced and it wasn't

[00:40:30] as complicated, especially, Mike, when you bring up the idol thing, right?

[00:40:33] Like that whole series of events, how Jesse ended up with that idol, just what a mess.

[00:40:39] And so that makes it a little bit more complicated.

[00:40:41] And I think then a little bit more fun.

[00:40:44] Yeah.

[00:40:45] And again, and then we know that Jesse goes out what?

[00:40:48] Like the next episode, I believe.

[00:40:50] Well, the next episode is the finale.

[00:40:51] So, yeah.

[00:40:52] Right, right, right.

[00:40:53] Yeah, yeah.

[00:40:53] Oh, God.

[00:40:54] Yeah.

[00:40:54] And everybody just falls one by one.

[00:40:58] All the people we're rooting for.

[00:40:59] But yeah.

[00:41:00] So, yeah, I, I just, I like, I like Operation Italy just in itself.

[00:41:07] Yeah.

[00:41:08] Like, like I had, I had family watching with me today.

[00:41:13] Like they've never watched Survivor in their life.

[00:41:16] And they're like, oh, wow.

[00:41:18] Yeah.

[00:41:19] Like just from an understanding of getting all of the pieces in just one episode that the editors

[00:41:26] finally played along.

[00:41:27] They finally helped.

[00:41:29] They, they, they made it a movie.

[00:41:30] So I'm going to stick with it.

[00:41:32] I'm going to stick aside.

[00:41:34] I'm going to go operationally.

[00:41:35] Yeah.

[00:41:35] My mom, based on the oral description I gave her, thought it was a great episode.

[00:41:41] As I am like walking home, I'm trying to explain how vote split works just generally.

[00:41:46] Everybody loves the plurality.

[00:41:47] I checked out this episode via the chat GPT summary and it was one of the best episodes

[00:41:52] I've ever read.

[00:41:53] Exactly.

[00:41:54] Exactly.

[00:41:55] So it's got mom's approval.

[00:41:58] Yeah, that's interesting though, because I'll be intrigued to see Leon and when we talk

[00:42:03] in a couple of weeks time and maybe this will also be dependent on like where Andy finishes

[00:42:06] because I, I would imagine the casuals were not a big fan of him going into this episode.

[00:42:11] And so I don't know if this will move the needle in either direction.

[00:42:15] I drafted Andy.

[00:42:17] I like want him to win, but this episode did piss me off.

[00:42:21] I was like, no, sir.

[00:42:22] How dare you?

[00:42:23] How dare you turn on them?

[00:42:26] But it gave us iconic TV, right?

[00:42:30] That's what your draft should be about.

[00:42:33] Exactly.

[00:42:33] And that gives the best TV.

[00:42:35] And Rachel didn't leave.

[00:42:37] So I was fine.

[00:42:37] I was like, I was like, okay, cool.

[00:42:39] And that is interesting because, you know, I had alleged and Sam pretty much alluded

[00:42:44] to it on social media that part of the reason why Operation Italy had to work, ironically

[00:42:49] enough, is if him and Genevieve don't win immunity because they have to split the votes

[00:42:53] between the two of them.

[00:42:54] And I think he didn't necessarily say outright that he was throwing the challenge, but like

[00:42:58] pretty much said he was.

[00:43:00] But like at the same time, if you're one of those people and you're in the end and you

[00:43:05] hear Rachel's doing well, are you like shit?

[00:43:08] Now you have to balance between this plan going to effect and like having to pivot massively

[00:43:12] from your main target, possibly winning immunity and stymieing the plan to begin with.

[00:43:17] Right.

[00:43:18] Exactly.

[00:43:18] That's such a gamble.

[00:43:19] But that's such a gamble.

[00:43:20] Also, even just even if Rachel's not winning.

[00:43:24] Right.

[00:43:24] Like even just to be able to if you have a challenge that you could potentially do well at and then

[00:43:29] just be like, okay, it's for the broader plan.

[00:43:32] This is for Italy.

[00:43:35] Yeah.

[00:43:36] Well, I mean, that's what that's what you will said.

[00:43:39] His big game plan was in the post-merge of Cook Islands was that he always purposely

[00:43:43] put himself in second place.

[00:43:45] It's like that scene in The Incredibles when Dash is running the race at the end.

[00:43:48] Like, oh, no.

[00:43:49] OK, don't get out to a two-leaf.

[00:43:50] Make it close.

[00:43:50] Make it close.

[00:43:51] He claims he was always just behind Ozzy and maybe sandbagging a little bit just to make

[00:43:57] sure that the opposition didn't win, but to make sure that he didn't win to put an even

[00:44:01] bigger target on himself.

[00:44:02] But I agree.

[00:44:03] Yule was in a very different position than Sam and Genevieve were.

[00:44:07] On the other hand, it seems like part of the reason why they obviously opted in is

[00:44:10] because they had to go for broke gear.

[00:44:12] One of the reasons why, you know, we were talking last week certainly about, OK, could

[00:44:17] this just be a big steamroll towards the end?

[00:44:19] There's no reason why these other two.

[00:44:22] I even pointed out this option last week in our podcast, Liana, being like, yeah, I bet

[00:44:28] you what's going to happen is that Andy's going to come up with this plan to split the

[00:44:31] votes between Sam and Genevieve, and then he's going to hop over on the plurality.

[00:44:34] But Rachel has a block of votes.

[00:44:36] So surely that's going to put the plan to rest.

[00:44:39] The plan was not put to rest.

[00:44:40] It is awake.

[00:44:42] OK, I will say I think that part of the reason why Operation Italy did end up happening is

[00:44:47] because Rachel won immunity.

[00:44:49] Like, I think Rachel was willing to be like, fine, I'm OK because I'm safe.

[00:44:55] And then even if one of these other people get taken out, I still have the block of vote.

[00:45:00] I still have a hidden idol.

[00:45:01] I am essentially guaranteed to final four.

[00:45:03] So I think even though we see Rachel protest about the move, I think there's a reason why

[00:45:07] she didn't push through on it because she knew that she personally was not in danger.

[00:45:12] I completely agree.

[00:45:13] I tweeted.

[00:45:14] I tweeted that out on Blue Sky.

[00:45:18] Talk to the Andy motion again.

[00:45:21] No, I completely agree.

[00:45:23] Because I thought it was very interesting that editing wise, Rachel was very quiet this episode.

[00:45:31] And except for the few times that she did talk like her what you call it, the side, like her

[00:45:40] what you call it, interviews side.

[00:45:44] Everything, the things that she did say, she was like, why don't we just put all the votes on Sam?

[00:45:49] No.

[00:45:49] OK.

[00:45:50] And then like she was just little things like that.

[00:45:53] And then strategically at final tribal, nothing.

[00:45:57] She let Dini and all that, all that, nothing.

[00:46:00] I think she I think she really did have an inkling.

[00:46:04] But like Liana said, it didn't matter.

[00:46:07] She was safe.

[00:46:08] And no matter what happens, I truly think she is in a better position.

[00:46:12] Her, Andy, Jen and Sam are all in a better position now because Caroline is gone.

[00:46:18] You break up that.

[00:46:19] That block with Sue.

[00:46:21] They're coming to Sue and Antini are coming to Rachel.

[00:46:25] You know what I'm saying?

[00:46:26] Rachel lets it happen.

[00:46:27] Her biggest competition on her own side goes home.

[00:46:31] She has all the information now knowing that Andy is is potentially not with her anymore or whatever.

[00:46:38] Like she has all the tools.

[00:46:40] She's like she said, she's locked and loaded.

[00:46:42] That's that's what she said.

[00:46:43] And so I I truly think I agree with Liana.

[00:46:46] She knew she she could have had an inkling, but she did not care to push because it it it didn't affect her game.

[00:46:55] It didn't take her game.

[00:46:57] It actually kind of helped.

[00:46:59] Yeah, it is interesting.

[00:47:01] Yeah, that sometimes when we see like a side lose on a vote, sometimes if the winner is part of that group, they tend to like get shown the least or certainly by comparison to people like teeny who talked about, you know, essentially calls Kobe before just like the basketball into the next yard or something.

[00:47:21] Certainly by comparison, Rachel was getting even from Caroline.

[00:47:24] Right.

[00:47:25] Who was getting a lot of like this is why Sue and I work so well together.

[00:47:28] This is how I'm going to win the game.

[00:47:30] Rachel was very silent.

[00:47:31] Now, look, maybe it's because she had a huge episode last week in many different ways.

[00:47:35] But it is interesting, especially looking back if she does end up winning this season, how it's like, yeah, we wanted to like make her one of the less messy people who wound up on that wrong side of the vote.

[00:47:46] So that didn't seem like she got so much egg on her face moving forward.

[00:47:50] Yeah, that and you hear her actively protest like they showed her actively protesting against the move.

[00:47:55] So I think that you can add that too.

[00:48:00] Before we move on, let's let's call our shots here because whether or not you consider it a finale from survivors perspective, they are starting it next week.

[00:48:08] We do have six players remaining.

[00:48:11] Liana, rank for me from your perspective, the likeliness of winners.

[00:48:18] OK, my current ranking goes Rachel, Sam, Teenie.

[00:48:27] Genevieve.

[00:48:28] Oh.

[00:48:29] Sue, Andy.

[00:48:31] Interesting.

[00:48:32] The difference between Sam and Genevieve in particular.

[00:48:34] I think that Genevieve's early edit is what hurts her in terms of a winner that I think there's no universe that Survivor is going to let their winner go.

[00:48:45] Because even Erica, even Erica got content and got a Matt chat like at the beginning in the first episode.

[00:48:51] OK, so Genevieve was absent for the first four episodes.

[00:48:55] Yeah, but it's because the Keyshawn vote apparently is like her core memory.

[00:49:00] Yeah, exactly.

[00:49:01] Unlock who she was.

[00:49:02] She still is talking about it like 10 episodes later.

[00:49:06] And I'm like, we're still talking about Keyshawn's vote?

[00:49:08] Like, I forgot that even happened.

[00:49:11] You know what I mean?

[00:49:11] So I know there'll just be a lesson to future Survivor players.

[00:49:14] If you really want to have a lasting impression and make your way onto Survivor 50, say something traumatizing to the other players all the way out.

[00:49:20] That was just really extend your life in the game.

[00:49:23] And then you get the little ghost at it where you get to hover over there being like, you betrayed me.

[00:49:29] Whatever it is.

[00:49:32] Maury, what about you?

[00:49:34] That's a very interesting list.

[00:49:38] I'm I'm at I'm at Rachel.

[00:49:42] I'm I'm going to say Rachel.

[00:49:45] Andy.

[00:49:50] I'm going to go with like what I'm like, there's no way like there's no way.

[00:49:55] So I'm going to go Rachel, Andy, Teenie, Sam, Genevieve, Sue, because I don't understand how you let Sam or Genevieve get even close to the final four unless they win final five immunity.

[00:50:13] One of them wins final five immunity.

[00:50:15] And that's the thing is that, you know, they only I guess that's the good thing about Sam and Jamie have also wanted to keep each other in the game is that like they are also could expend a shield in the form of the other.

[00:50:25] And then they just need to win immunity at the final five or like maybe if Sue or Rachel play their idol next round, then they can find another one and play it.

[00:50:33] And then again, it doesn't matter if you're out on an island by yourself at the final four.

[00:50:37] You just have to win immunity or win fire making.

[00:50:40] Exactly.

[00:50:41] I mean, that's the thing is that if OK, so there's only two like votes left.

[00:50:47] Right.

[00:50:47] So all it takes because they would have to be voted out in the six and five position.

[00:50:53] Yeah.

[00:50:54] So if one of them manages to survive, you know, one of those votes, you're already in the final four.

[00:51:00] And then I think a pretty high likelihood potentially of making it to the final three.

[00:51:03] So I don't think it's out even though in my head it's like, well, obviously they're the two targets.

[00:51:07] They've been targeted for so long.

[00:51:08] They're obviously going to go.

[00:51:09] They're not going to make the final four.

[00:51:11] I think there's a very real possibility that one, if not both somehow managed to squeak in there.

[00:51:16] Yeah, my list is pretty similar to Mari's.

[00:51:21] Rachel is number one for me.

[00:51:23] I actually would put I would put Andy number two as well.

[00:51:26] Now is a pretty large gap between them because I still think Andy is much like the other CBS Wednesday night show that just finished climbing a mountain in terms of his own perception and his his reception from the jury as to mounting a winning game,

[00:51:42] especially sitting next to somebody like Rachel or Sam or Genevieve.

[00:51:46] But I think it was a market push forward.

[00:51:48] And I think from an edit perspective, like in my opinion, he is the character of the season.

[00:51:54] And certainly if he makes the finale, I think that will be the that will be the case as well.

[00:51:57] I did put Genevieve third.

[00:51:59] I see what you're saying, Liana, that from an edit perspective, like it makes sense to discount somebody that was practically invisible in the first quarter of the season so far.

[00:52:08] But I do think from the practicality perspective of if she does make it to the end, why I would put her above Sam, even if they were sitting in the end together some way, somehow if a meteor goes and takes out the people that were left out of the Italian reward.

[00:52:22] Is that like Genevieve's ability to open up at tribal council?

[00:52:27] And I do not think this is her playing it up for the jury.

[00:52:30] I do think a lot of this is incredibly sincere, which is also fascinating as well to kind of have like the game bot learn emotions truly out of like an AI horror story.

[00:52:41] But to have her. Yeah, but exactly. But to have her be so sincerely emotive at tribal council about like her realizing that while this method of playing the game was better, perhaps from like a cutthroat good TV perspective, it wasn't from an oh my God, I'm living out here 24 hours a day with other people perspective.

[00:52:59] And I do think it's a little bit apples and oranges again, but like it reminds me of Sophie's breakdown in the finale of South Pacific of like, oh, I saw you this one way, but now you genuinely are feeling some way different and expressing this too much in a way that didn't feel necessarily performative.

[00:53:14] Plus the narrative that would show up of like, not only was I a target, I was the target.

[00:53:21] You could say what you want to about how needless the solve vote was, but like I have been the name on everyone's lips since then and I am somehow made it to the final three.

[00:53:30] Sam, I would put beneath that, though I think he does have ironically enough, like.

[00:53:36] Might be a hot take. I think the person that would maybe give Rachel the biggest run for her money in terms of jury votes in the end, it might be Sam.

[00:53:44] Sam, because Sam has basically a locked in vote in Sierra from my talkings with a lot of people on the jury, like Saul was trying to work with him for a certain extent, like there could be a lot of people that would be in his underdog status.

[00:54:00] And he has those relationships as well, maybe as opposed to somebody like Genevieve, where like if Teenie's sitting on the jury and Genevieve's in the final three, I just call it a threat, whatever you want to.

[00:54:10] I don't know if that's necessarily going through, but I did put Sam forth and then unfortunately Teenie, who, yeah, does tank a little bit given those most recent reek and Sue scrapping it up at the rear with her soot covered face.

[00:54:23] Oh, my God. Yeah, we did.

[00:54:26] And we got a little like a kind of a little explanation as to why she's always dirty.

[00:54:30] Yeah, so I was able to and maybe, you know, you laugh about like, oh, Mike, ask about the laminated eyebrows.

[00:54:37] But look, I get to the bottom of things in my exit press.

[00:54:40] And I did ask Caroline about where I did point out, like, you never told Sue that her face was dirty.

[00:54:45] And Caroline said, for the record, yes, I did.

[00:54:49] And she said that it's not dirt.

[00:54:50] It is soot.

[00:54:52] And it's that Sue was sort of like the resident fire tender in the camp.

[00:54:57] And to do so, she got her face perhaps perilously close, but close nonetheless to the fire, which got her face covered in soot,

[00:55:05] which is notably a lot harder to scrub off than dirt for anyone who has done their fair share of like Santa costume play in their lifetimes.

[00:55:16] I don't know if anyone on the panel has.

[00:55:18] I might just be speaking from personal experience.

[00:55:21] So I think they I think they attempted it like they've told her in the past she did.

[00:55:26] Rachel did wash her face.

[00:55:28] I think Sue tried and it was a lot harder to scrub it off.

[00:55:31] And then to a certain extent, she's like, it's part of me now.

[00:55:33] You know, I don't know who I am without it.

[00:55:36] That's interesting.

[00:55:38] They just decided like, all right, listen, if you're going to live with it, if you're happy with it.

[00:55:42] OK, so rah, so rah, go ahead.

[00:55:44] So do you send Sue into Final Four to get rid of somebody?

[00:55:48] Final Four fireman.

[00:55:49] Oh, that's interesting.

[00:55:50] That's a good point.

[00:55:52] Oh, that's interesting.

[00:55:54] Because, you know, I thought, you know, Sue, obviously Sue and Andy, I think both their edit is coming across as go.

[00:56:00] Like this is someone who could potentially be taken to the final three.

[00:56:03] But if Sue is our resident firemaker, then maybe that's a risk that you need to be willing to take.

[00:56:08] If a big target like a Sam, a Genevieve, a Rachel is still in the game at that point.

[00:56:13] So one of them will be.

[00:56:15] So could be a throwback to Liana's categorically, objectively favorite episode of the new era in the 43 finale.

[00:56:21] When everyone was convincing Cassidy, like, send me into fire against Jesse.

[00:56:25] I want to be the one to take this person out.

[00:56:27] Exactly.

[00:56:28] Yes.

[00:56:29] My favorite episode.

[00:56:32] Well, let's get into the person that, you know, was luckily able to fill in the blanks on Sue's face.

[00:56:40] But unfortunately, that's because she was voted out this week in the form of Caroline.

[00:56:45] Now, to your point, Mari, I think that Caroline was sort of like part of this three-headed hydra of strategic forward women.

[00:56:53] We got in this endgame of her, Genevieve and Rachel.

[00:56:55] And actually, the next time on sets up a very fun, like, it's Genevieve versus Rachel.

[00:56:59] Very like Australian survivor coded as to who's going to take the other down.

[00:57:03] And that sort of came at the cost of losing Caroline here.

[00:57:07] Liana, how did you think Caroline was going to do in the preseason?

[00:57:12] Yes.

[00:57:12] So I had her making the jury.

[00:57:14] I said that with her freshly minted NBA, Caroline jumps into the game ready to gather more knowledge this time about the players around her.

[00:57:23] She goes under the radar in the pre-jury doing just enough socially to stick around and not wanting to suffer from big moves.

[00:57:30] Itis.

[00:57:31] Come the merge, however, turns out she waited too long to make a big move and should have turned on her fellow tukus instead of letting them sacrifice her to the merge tribe to diminish their overall threat level.

[00:57:43] Caroline gets a wonderful personal segment about playing Survivor as someone with ADHD.

[00:57:48] Her allies were Sue and Asia, and her enemy was the tukus.

[00:57:53] Interesting.

[00:57:54] So it's almost like basically plug her into what happened with Gabe a few weeks ago.

[00:57:58] Exactly.

[00:57:58] Exactly.

[00:57:59] She was the one that needed to go for the group to move on.

[00:58:02] Well, I also had Caroline making the jury.

[00:58:07] So I said, coming to Survivor between business school and resuming her job as a strategy consultant, Caroline enters the game with a head for tactics and numbers.

[00:58:15] That quickly bonds her to one of the other most strategic people on her tribe in Gabe.

[00:58:21] Caroline faces a situation where basically I'd said that like she gets an under the radar edit and then she gets kind of swap screwed.

[00:58:28] And put onto a tribe where she's like the only one from her tribe and gets a little bit of like that.

[00:58:33] Remember when Caleb got that edit in 45 briefly of like, oh, no, he's on this tribe by himself.

[00:58:39] Caroline will be known to cut a line in confessional as her self-admitted blunt way of handling things will lead to some shady remarks about her fellow castaways.

[00:58:48] Caroline struggles to find her footing for the first half of the game as she loses Gabe pre-merge and then undergoes a streak of tuku cullings.

[00:58:57] We get a scene where she's surprisingly emotional despite her head first approach to the game talking about her ADHD.

[00:59:03] Left with few options, Caroline locks in with Sue as the last two tuku and they're able to cut a swath into the post-merge.

[00:59:11] Their partnership gets cut short, however, when Caroline suggests a late game women's alliance to take out the remaining men in Sam and Andy.

[00:59:19] It puts her on everyone's radar again as a threatening thinker and they decide to blindside her for the umpteenth and final time.

[00:59:27] Her ally was Sue and her enemy was Sam.

[00:59:32] It is funny to me that both times a women's alliance has been mentioned, a woman has gone home.

[00:59:39] We have had the continuation of the women's alliance curse.

[00:59:42] Sierra, now Caroline.

[00:59:45] Anika.

[00:59:46] Anika.

[00:59:47] Yeah, exactly.

[00:59:48] Oh God.

[00:59:49] God, we...

[00:59:52] All right, Mari, the choice is yours here.

[00:59:55] You're the Sam in this situation.

[00:59:56] Who are you going to pick?

[00:59:58] And who's going to go into entire monologue and impression of you when your back is turned about not getting picked?

[01:00:04] Oh no.

[01:00:05] Jeez.

[01:00:06] That was good because it's like, I feel like Liana nailed the pre-merge like really well, kind of.

[01:00:14] But you got the post-merge there.

[01:00:18] We didn't get an ADHD.

[01:00:22] Oh God.

[01:00:23] We did.

[01:00:23] We did.

[01:00:24] We did?

[01:00:24] Did I miss it?

[01:00:26] Yeah, last episode when she's like apologizing to Sue, she has this big, I'm not going to let someone else play my game.

[01:00:33] And then she has this moment in confessional where she talks about growing up and feeling like she was a failure because of school.

[01:00:39] And she's lived her entire life trying to prove she's not that failure.

[01:00:43] This sounds slightly familiar.

[01:00:44] I have children now.

[01:00:46] It's hard.

[01:00:48] Okay.

[01:00:48] Okay.

[01:00:49] Okay.

[01:00:51] I think I am going to go with...

[01:00:55] I got to go with Mike's.

[01:00:57] I think I got to go with Mike's.

[01:00:58] I'm sorry.

[01:00:58] It was...

[01:00:59] That was hard.

[01:01:01] That was hard.

[01:01:01] Y'all were both so close.

[01:01:02] Like y'all were really spot on with her placement here.

[01:01:06] Liana, big bounce back for you after a couple of weeks.

[01:01:10] Newsies.

[01:01:10] I know.

[01:01:12] I'm sorry.

[01:01:12] It's not going to get any better though.

[01:01:14] Oh no.

[01:01:14] Oh no.

[01:01:15] I know.

[01:01:16] Well, you know, because the problem is, obviously you get one thing wrong, you get another thing.

[01:01:21] It spirals, right?

[01:01:23] Because we truly are the wordle of Survivor Podcast when it comes to our predictions.

[01:01:27] It sounded like ChatGPT wrote both of those.

[01:01:31] And like, and that's what...

[01:01:33] Yes.

[01:01:33] Because they get some things right.

[01:01:35] But then something's like very wrong.

[01:01:38] Yeah.

[01:01:38] Like the Google AI answer.

[01:01:39] It's like, yeah, right.

[01:01:40] And then the rest is totally wrong or not updated.

[01:01:43] Yeah.

[01:01:43] Exactly.

[01:01:44] But it was good.

[01:01:45] I'm sorry.

[01:01:47] I'm sorry.

[01:01:48] I don't know.

[01:01:49] It's all good.

[01:01:49] It's all good.

[01:01:50] All right.

[01:01:51] Well, maybe Liana has a chance to get some revenge here on Mari.

[01:01:55] Because I have a game prepared this week.

[01:01:58] And it's something brand new.

[01:02:00] Much like the metallic maze with the double-edged warrior staff.

[01:02:04] So, of course, it is B&B custom, Liana.

[01:02:08] We like to check in with what the casuals think about our current crop-up contestants.

[01:02:13] But there's been one person whose opinion we've sort of been remiss on as to their own preseason thoughts.

[01:02:20] Much like the ones that you and I offer, Liana.

[01:02:23] And that is one Jeff Probst.

[01:02:25] Now, I'm not sure if the two of you were on the up and up on the On Fire colon the official Survivor podcast.

[01:02:31] But at the end of every week, those that are just listening, they both have said, they both put their whole job to be like, oh, I missed this week's podcast.

[01:02:39] Of course, I missed out on it naturally.

[01:02:42] Always listen to the official Survivor podcast.

[01:02:44] Always.

[01:02:45] Well, we're going to test your memories of it.

[01:02:47] Because, of course, as you know, at the end of every episode, Jeff goes through the casting notes that he wrote down for the most recent boot of what they were thinking at the time that they were in the mix.

[01:03:01] So what we're going to do for this game is I am going to read out a casting note that Jeff Probst has written about an eliminated player.

[01:03:11] So we are dealing with everyone except for the final six.

[01:03:15] So that is John Lovett.

[01:03:16] That is TK.

[01:03:18] That is Asia.

[01:03:19] Unfortunately, that is Keyshawn.

[01:03:21] That is Annika.

[01:03:23] Rome.

[01:03:24] Tiana.

[01:03:25] Sierra.

[01:03:26] Saul.

[01:03:27] Gabe.

[01:03:28] Kyle.

[01:03:28] And, of course, Caroline.

[01:03:30] You can also look this up if you want to.

[01:03:32] I am going to read a gender neutral Jeff's opinions about this person from casting.

[01:03:39] Okay.

[01:03:40] You have to guess who Jeff was talking about.

[01:03:45] Okay.

[01:03:45] Now we'll do this in a way where you both can write down your guesses separately.

[01:03:49] We will use the honor system.

[01:03:51] Okay.

[01:03:52] I will also say that maybe sometimes the same person might be used for a couple of answers.

[01:03:58] Oh.

[01:04:00] Okay.

[01:04:00] So we can't eliminate someone.

[01:04:02] Keep your options open, people.

[01:04:04] Okay.

[01:04:06] All right.

[01:04:06] I got my notepad.

[01:04:08] I have a notepad, but I don't have a pen.

[01:04:11] Now we're.

[01:04:11] Oh, man.

[01:04:12] That's an Alanis Morissette lyric waiting to happen.

[01:04:18] I found a to-do list.

[01:04:20] The only thing that's not crossed off is make soup.

[01:04:24] Oh, no.

[01:04:25] Is that for today?

[01:04:26] No.

[01:04:27] This is for like two weeks ago, but I did make soup.

[01:04:30] So I'm going to go ahead and retroactively pass that off the list.

[01:04:33] Well done, me.

[01:04:34] Good job, Liana.

[01:04:36] Okay.

[01:04:37] So this is going to be a fun test of how well do you, I guess, estimate Jeff Probst's preseason

[01:04:44] opinions of these people.

[01:04:46] Me and Jeff Probst really think alike.

[01:04:48] Exactly.

[01:04:49] This is your opportunity to see if that mind meld held, Mari.

[01:04:53] All right.

[01:04:53] So here we go.

[01:04:54] And again, these are all gender neutral statements.

[01:04:56] So it could be about anybody.

[01:04:58] Okay.

[01:04:58] Let's start.

[01:05:00] Love capital letters instantly leaps out and engages you.

[01:05:05] They're clearly driven, always wants to grow and get more out of life.

[01:05:10] They're very current in terms of how they tell a story and is a great example of a younger

[01:05:15] person who has a work ethic and is clearly going to be a player.

[01:05:21] I'll read that all again as you comb through the choices.

[01:05:25] Love capital letters instantly leaps out.

[01:05:28] It engages you.

[01:05:29] They're clearly driven, always wants to grow and get more out of life.

[01:05:33] They are very current in terms of how they tell a story and is a great example of a younger

[01:05:39] person who has a work ethic and they're clearly going to be a player.

[01:05:45] I feel like I feel like this.

[01:05:48] You want this to lean one way.

[01:05:52] Okay.

[01:05:53] I got my answer.

[01:05:54] Okay.

[01:05:55] Mari, what'd you write down?

[01:05:57] It's like, I try to think of this matching anybody but Rome, but honestly.

[01:06:04] There we go.

[01:06:05] That's the only thing I could come up with.

[01:06:08] Mari says Rome.

[01:06:08] Luana.

[01:06:09] Okay.

[01:06:09] I said, I said, I said, Gabe.

[01:06:12] This is terrible.

[01:06:13] I said, Gabe.

[01:06:15] Okay.

[01:06:15] Uh, well.

[01:06:17] There's room for improvement on both your ends.

[01:06:19] You are both incorrect.

[01:06:21] It is Annika.

[01:06:23] Annika.

[01:06:25] Okay.

[01:06:26] Yeah.

[01:06:26] Interesting.

[01:06:27] Interesting.

[01:06:27] I don't know what Jeff means by many things, but also they're very current in terms of

[01:06:32] how they tell a story.

[01:06:34] Yeah.

[01:06:34] With Annika sitting in her interviews like, oh, that blindside was totally Ohio.

[01:06:39] I got the Riz to win.

[01:06:42] Oh, no.

[01:06:44] I'm going to flush everyone's gaze down the skippity toilet.

[01:06:48] No.

[01:06:48] He was acting like a real Sigma.

[01:06:51] That's the thing.

[01:06:52] In this week's episode, or last week's episode of the podcast, of course, as you all know,

[01:06:56] Jeff Probst did say like, listen, what Kyle did, very unique to him.

[01:07:00] People don't do bits moving forward.

[01:07:02] And maybe that's going to disincentivize all the Gen Zers that are listening to the podcast

[01:07:05] from throwing out any parlance on the way out.

[01:07:07] Too bad.

[01:07:09] Okay.

[01:07:10] Interesting.

[01:07:10] I'm trying to remember.

[01:07:11] I'm just sitting here trying to remember everybody.

[01:07:13] I'm right out of the right.

[01:07:14] Everybody's names.

[01:07:16] Yeah.

[01:07:16] You can also look it up.

[01:07:17] Also, I was trying to look up like how young Annika is.

[01:07:20] If it's like, oh, she talks with so much youthfulness.

[01:07:23] She is 26.

[01:07:25] Yeah.

[01:07:25] That's why I was like, okay, it's someone on the younger end.

[01:07:29] I was like, oh, Gabe was like 26, I think.

[01:07:31] So.

[01:07:32] Yeah.

[01:07:32] Okay.

[01:07:33] All right.

[01:07:34] Great start.

[01:07:35] Well, next one.

[01:07:36] This is going to be a little bit more succinct.

[01:07:37] So maybe that will help you here.

[01:07:39] Okay.

[01:07:40] No brainer.

[01:07:41] Are they really this good?

[01:07:43] I hope so.

[01:07:45] Because I love them.

[01:07:48] Are they?

[01:07:49] No brainer.

[01:07:50] Are they really this good?

[01:07:52] I hope so.

[01:07:53] Because I love them.

[01:07:55] What useless notes.

[01:07:57] I'm telling you.

[01:07:58] I will say just moving forward.

[01:08:00] A lot of these are like Jeff Probst clearly did not edit these down for the podcast because

[01:08:05] a lot of them are.

[01:08:06] They should be on the show.

[01:08:07] Yeah.

[01:08:07] Right.

[01:08:08] Exactly.

[01:08:09] Great choice.

[01:08:10] Like, okay.

[01:08:12] All right.

[01:08:13] Liana.

[01:08:14] I.

[01:08:15] No brainer.

[01:08:15] Are they really this good?

[01:08:17] I hope so.

[01:08:17] Because I love them.

[01:08:18] I put Rome this time.

[01:08:19] Rome.

[01:08:20] Mari.

[01:08:20] What about you?

[01:08:21] Yeah.

[01:08:21] I thought it could be Rome, but then I just said Kyle because it's.

[01:08:27] Oh, that's a good one.

[01:08:28] Mari is on the board.

[01:08:30] It is Kyle.

[01:08:31] Yeah.

[01:08:33] Oh, okay.

[01:08:34] I got to think like Jeff.

[01:08:35] That's my problem.

[01:08:36] Okay.

[01:08:37] All right.

[01:08:37] I also feel like that entire logic.

[01:08:40] It can just be lifted and apply to why Kyle was voted out last week.

[01:08:43] Like, should we get rid of him?

[01:08:45] No brainer.

[01:08:46] Is he really this good?

[01:08:47] I hope so.

[01:08:48] Because I love him.

[01:08:52] Next up.

[01:08:52] They could be a great liar and might use gossip about others to move the way they want.

[01:09:08] Okay.

[01:09:14] Gossip about others.

[01:09:17] Okay.

[01:09:18] This is an indictment of Jeff Probst.

[01:09:20] Not me.

[01:09:21] Just to be clear.

[01:09:22] Okay.

[01:09:22] Exactly.

[01:09:23] Okay.

[01:09:23] With that precursor.

[01:09:25] Mari, what'd you write?

[01:09:26] Wait.

[01:09:27] I wrote Sierra.

[01:09:30] Sierra.

[01:09:31] Okay.

[01:09:31] Leanna, what about you?

[01:09:32] I said Sierra too.

[01:09:34] You both said Sierra.

[01:09:35] Yeah.

[01:09:37] Interesting.

[01:09:37] No, because this was one of Jeff Probst's most accurate, prescient predictions here.

[01:09:43] That was Keyshawn.

[01:09:45] I was like, it's a girl or a gay.

[01:09:47] It's a woman.

[01:09:48] Yep.

[01:09:49] Those are my two thoughts.

[01:09:50] I was like, we're ruling out all the straight men.

[01:09:53] Yep.

[01:09:53] I was like, Jeff Probst is making assumptions here.

[01:09:56] That's so funny.

[01:09:58] Okay.

[01:09:58] Great.

[01:09:59] Yeah.

[01:10:00] All right.

[01:10:01] Next up.

[01:10:02] This is a bit of a long one.

[01:10:04] They're amazing.

[01:10:05] Very compelling.

[01:10:06] Incredible storyteller.

[01:10:08] They will be great.

[01:10:09] They should be on the show.

[01:10:11] And then he talks about, as we continue to talk more in future conversations, I wrote,

[01:10:16] they do overthink things.

[01:10:18] This could cause decision-making issues.

[01:10:20] And then after another interview, I wrote, they should and could go very deep.

[01:10:26] They're so smart.

[01:10:27] What would stop them?

[01:10:30] And the entire thing, they're amazing.

[01:10:32] Very compelling.

[01:10:33] Incredible storyteller.

[01:10:34] They will be great.

[01:10:36] They should be on the show.

[01:10:37] And then as we continue to talk more in future conversations, I wrote, they do overthink things.

[01:10:43] This could cause decision-making issues.

[01:10:45] And then after another interview, I wrote, they should and could go very deep.

[01:10:51] They're so smart.

[01:10:53] What would stop them?

[01:10:55] This one's hard.

[01:10:56] I don't know.

[01:10:57] I mean, I do love the Lady Gaga-esque genuflecting to start initially.

[01:11:03] All right.

[01:11:04] Liana, what'd you write down?

[01:11:05] I said John.

[01:11:07] John Lovett.

[01:11:08] Maureen?

[01:11:08] Yeah.

[01:11:09] I said Asia.

[01:11:10] It was between the two of them.

[01:11:12] That's what I'm saying.

[01:11:13] Liana ties it up.

[01:11:15] It is John Lovett.

[01:11:16] I thought so.

[01:11:18] I thought Asia too, Maureen.

[01:11:21] I was like, but that does sound like John Lovett.

[01:11:23] But what could stop them?

[01:11:25] He's famous.

[01:11:28] Yeah, I guess Jeff was posing more of a rhetorical question when I think Maureen provided the answer.

[01:11:33] All right.

[01:11:34] So we are all tied up here.

[01:11:36] Next up.

[01:11:38] I look back at my notes and turns out I like them more every time I talk to them.

[01:11:43] It was really interesting to read them back, referring to the notes.

[01:11:47] The first time, I found them interesting and I wrote, I'm drawn to them, but I don't know why yet.

[01:11:53] The second time, I wrote, I'm starting to see their intensity in a great way.

[01:11:58] I'm still really drawn to them and I'm starting to understand why.

[01:12:02] And the third time, I wrote, incredibly compelling.

[01:12:06] I get it.

[01:12:07] So a real slow burn from Jeff Probst here.

[01:12:09] Just to recap, I look back at my notes and turns out I like them more every time I talk to them.

[01:12:14] It was really interesting to read them.

[01:12:16] The first time, I found them interesting and I wrote, I'm drawn to them, but I don't know why yet.

[01:12:21] The second time, I wrote, I'm starting to see their intensity in a great way.

[01:12:26] I'm still really drawn to them and I'm starting to understand why.

[01:12:29] And the third time, I wrote, incredibly compelling.

[01:12:33] I get it.

[01:12:34] Let's see if you get the answer, Mari.

[01:12:38] Does this include Caroline or no?

[01:12:41] Yes.

[01:12:42] Oh.

[01:12:43] I said Tiana.

[01:12:45] Okay, I said Asia.

[01:12:48] Mari, that last minute pivot could have helped you.

[01:12:50] It was Caroline.

[01:12:51] Oh!

[01:12:53] Because the whole time I was thinking, I wasn't including her.

[01:12:57] And then, oh man.

[01:13:00] Yeah, but that's interesting.

[01:13:02] Like, you get sort of like the slam dunk Kyle.

[01:13:05] No brainer.

[01:13:06] They've got to be on the show versus the Caroline.

[01:13:08] There's something about you.

[01:13:10] I've just got to.

[01:13:11] It's like putting a mysterious food in your mouth and being like, I'm tasting something.

[01:13:15] Like, I'm not hating it.

[01:13:16] I just got to chew on it a little bit more.

[01:13:18] What can I say?

[01:13:19] I am halfway in the mind of Jeff Probst.

[01:13:23] Good for you.

[01:13:24] Scary place to be.

[01:13:26] Okay.

[01:13:26] All right.

[01:13:27] Next up.

[01:13:28] Fantastic.

[01:13:29] I love them.

[01:13:31] Should be on the show.

[01:13:32] Really pops.

[01:13:34] Boastful, but they're charming.

[01:13:36] Really wants to fit in with the group.

[01:13:39] Fear of being left out.

[01:13:41] A little bit of psychoanalyst.

[01:13:42] But not analysis from Probst.

[01:13:44] Oh, interesting.

[01:13:45] Fantastic.

[01:13:46] I love them.

[01:13:47] Should be on the show.

[01:13:49] Really pops.

[01:13:51] Boastful, but they're charming.

[01:13:53] Really wants to fit in with the group.

[01:13:55] Fear of being left out.

[01:13:58] Oh, my God.

[01:13:59] Am I going to second guess myself here?

[01:14:04] Liana.

[01:14:05] What are you thinking?

[01:14:06] I'm going to stick with my.

[01:14:07] I'm going to say TK.

[01:14:09] TK.

[01:14:10] Okay.

[01:14:11] Dang it.

[01:14:12] I wrote Rome, but I was thinking TK and I was like, am I going to talk myself out of

[01:14:17] Rome?

[01:14:18] I wrote Rome, so we'll go with Rome.

[01:14:21] Mari.

[01:14:22] This time, the first guess was the correct one.

[01:14:25] It was Rome.

[01:14:26] Hey.

[01:14:27] There we go.

[01:14:28] This is so interesting to me that Jeff's like, you know, obviously talks up a lot of the

[01:14:33] pride aspect.

[01:14:34] Something that I didn't include because obviously it would have been such a ringer is that Jeff

[01:14:37] actually did write in his notes at one point, quote, if Rome is sitting out of a challenge

[01:14:42] or falls out of it, he should get to narrate part of it.

[01:14:45] Like if it's just very clear that Rome is not going to win or he already won and is like narrating the second part of it, Jeff's like, Rome wanted to step up, which goes to show that maybe the whole sit on my stuff was a bit premeditated.

[01:14:58] Yes, he's been thinking about this as casting.

[01:15:03] Okay.

[01:15:04] Interesting.

[01:15:05] But yeah, very, very, very complicated psychoanalysis of Rome of like, he just wants to fit in.

[01:15:11] He wants to be part.

[01:15:11] Maybe the whole community aspect was inspired by Rome.

[01:15:15] Perhaps, perhaps.

[01:15:17] All right.

[01:15:17] We've got a few of these left.

[01:15:19] Mari has a two to one lead at this point.

[01:15:22] Next up.

[01:15:23] They're very likable.

[01:15:26] They're really kind.

[01:15:27] They're magnetic.

[01:15:28] They seem to get people and understand behavior.

[01:15:32] And I want them on the show.

[01:15:37] They're very likable.

[01:15:39] They're really kind.

[01:15:40] They're magnetic.

[01:15:41] They seem to get people and understand behavior.

[01:15:44] And I want them on the show.

[01:15:49] All right.

[01:15:49] Liana, what do you got?

[01:15:51] Asia.

[01:15:52] Asia.

[01:15:53] Okay.

[01:15:53] Mari.

[01:15:54] Asia.

[01:15:56] Yeah.

[01:15:57] It was Tiana.

[01:15:59] Oh.

[01:16:01] I mean, I get it, though.

[01:16:02] I get it.

[01:16:03] That makes sense.

[01:16:04] I get it.

[01:16:04] A little bit of bias making it up.

[01:16:05] Like, any positive, like, lascivious.

[01:16:09] It's gotta be Asia.

[01:16:10] It's gotta be Asia.

[01:16:11] Jeff loves Asia.

[01:16:13] Yeah.

[01:16:14] We all love Asia.

[01:16:16] Yeah.

[01:16:17] Right.

[01:16:17] All right.

[01:16:19] Next up here.

[01:16:20] My notes are in capital letters.

[01:16:23] Love them.

[01:16:24] Now we get a little bit more of a story like the Caroline.

[01:16:27] I remember the first time I met them.

[01:16:28] Remember exactly their background, everything.

[01:16:31] And I wrote, I think they're really great.

[01:16:33] They're a smart person.

[01:16:35] Could be a great player.

[01:16:36] They're a people person.

[01:16:37] I like them a lot.

[01:16:39] Very memorable.

[01:16:40] Doesn't try to impress.

[01:16:41] And then I wrote down something they said to me.

[01:16:45] They said, I have an incredible ability to see a situation and realize what I have to do.

[01:16:52] And that stood out to me.

[01:16:54] So basically to TLDR that Jeff loved them.

[01:16:59] Initially smart player, people person.

[01:17:02] But he was particularly struck by this one quote that he was given.

[01:17:06] I have an incredible ability to see a situation and realize what I have to do.

[01:17:13] So Mari, what does that mean from your perspective?

[01:17:17] Oh, I don't know.

[01:17:22] I'm trying to not just.

[01:17:26] It's Asia.

[01:17:27] I'm just going to put Asia.

[01:17:30] It's all going to be Asia, Mike.

[01:17:32] Like just.

[01:17:35] All right.

[01:17:36] I said Saul.

[01:17:38] Liana ties it up.

[01:17:39] It is Saul.

[01:17:40] Good.

[01:17:41] Okay.

[01:17:42] I don't know.

[01:17:43] I didn't know.

[01:17:44] I would.

[01:17:44] I.

[01:17:45] Yeah.

[01:17:46] I try to write down what my gut says.

[01:17:48] Then I go to the list.

[01:17:50] Yeah.

[01:17:51] Well, the problem is like, I have my interpretation.

[01:17:54] And then I'm trying to say, okay, well, that was my interpretation of that person.

[01:17:57] But that doesn't mean that that was Jeff's.

[01:17:59] Because my walk away from Saul's preseason interview was not that right.

[01:18:03] Like that's not what I would have written down.

[01:18:05] So that was the entire thing that Jeff also then follows up on, which is him saying that

[01:18:10] Saul surprised him out on the island where he thought he was going to be a lot more of

[01:18:14] a loud out there personality and was a lot quieter, whether that was due to the circumstances

[01:18:19] or the conditions, what have you.

[01:18:21] So Saul was able to provide those fantastic nuggets of wisdom that got him cast in the

[01:18:25] first place.

[01:18:26] Okay.

[01:18:28] Okay.

[01:18:29] This is where things stand.

[01:18:30] It is two to two.

[01:18:33] And we have one response left here.

[01:18:35] Woo!

[01:18:36] Oh my God.

[01:18:36] Let's see if you both get it.

[01:18:38] If one of you gets it.

[01:18:39] If none of you get it.

[01:18:40] Okay.

[01:18:41] Jesus.

[01:18:43] So with Blink, I didn't even watch their audition tape.

[01:18:47] For some reason I missed it or I didn't have time.

[01:18:50] So I just jumped on a zoom with them.

[01:18:52] I knew nothing about who I was about to meet.

[01:18:54] And this is what I wrote.

[01:18:56] First impression.

[01:18:58] Star, star, star.

[01:18:59] Instantly likable.

[01:19:01] Love, love, love.

[01:19:02] Huge smile.

[01:19:03] Great energy.

[01:19:04] Likeable.

[01:19:05] Then after meeting them in person, I wrote in person.

[01:19:09] Absolute star.

[01:19:10] I love them.

[01:19:11] Maybe my favorite player of everyone we've seen so far.

[01:19:14] They could win.

[01:19:15] And they could actually win despite them being able to win.

[01:19:21] What does that mean?

[01:19:24] If you play Survivor, you technically have the potential to win.

[01:19:29] But Jeff's like.

[01:19:30] I don't know.

[01:19:30] Did you listen to Jeff last season when he said that some of you have a 0% chance of winning?

[01:19:34] That's true.

[01:19:36] They could win.

[01:19:37] And they could actually win despite them being able to win.

[01:19:43] I think what they're saying is like they could be a threat to win in spite of the fact that everyone could kind of see that, you know?

[01:19:50] There are people that could be sort of like dark horse candidates to win because nobody expects them to win.

[01:19:55] And there could be those that you look at them and you think, oh, yeah, you're set up to win this game.

[01:20:00] So we have to take you out.

[01:20:01] But in this case, they thread the needle of presenting that, but also being able to possibly win the game at the same time.

[01:20:07] Yeah.

[01:20:08] So the full thing again, while you mull over this final and most important choice with blank, I didn't even watch their audition tape.

[01:20:15] For some reason, I missed it or I didn't have time.

[01:20:18] So I just jumped on a Zoom with them.

[01:20:20] I knew nothing about who I was about to meet.

[01:20:22] And this is what I wrote.

[01:20:24] First impression.

[01:20:25] Star, star, star.

[01:20:27] Instantly likable.

[01:20:28] Love, love, love.

[01:20:30] Huge smile.

[01:20:31] Great energy.

[01:20:32] Likeable.

[01:20:32] Then after meeting them in person, I wrote an absolute star.

[01:20:37] I love them.

[01:20:38] Maybe my favorite player of everyone we've seen so far.

[01:20:41] They could win and they could actually win despite them being able to win.

[01:20:48] That's great.

[01:20:49] All right.

[01:20:50] Liana, your final guess here.

[01:20:53] I was taken with the smile.

[01:20:54] I was between two people, but a broken clock is right twice a day.

[01:20:58] So we're going to stick with Asia.

[01:21:01] Mari.

[01:21:05] I'm, I'm going to psych myself out here.

[01:21:07] I'm going to say Sierra and it's, it's going to be whatever.

[01:21:12] I just, this is too much.

[01:21:14] Okay.

[01:21:15] You are both incorrect.

[01:21:17] Was it TK?

[01:21:19] It was TK.

[01:21:20] Damn it.

[01:21:21] TK was the other one that I was considering because I was like, who's got a big smile?

[01:21:25] Like a 13th reason why, right?

[01:21:28] That damn smile.

[01:21:29] That damn smile.

[01:21:30] Oh, I've seen Asia and TK and I went for the meme.

[01:21:32] Never me.

[01:21:33] I know.

[01:21:36] Dang it.

[01:21:37] I'm so upset.

[01:21:39] Okay.

[01:21:39] Well, you know.

[01:21:39] All right.

[01:21:40] Well, okay.

[01:21:40] I'll, I'll, I'll throw out a tiebreaker here.

[01:21:43] Okay.

[01:21:43] Because I did.

[01:21:43] Can we just take Asia off the board?

[01:21:45] Yeah.

[01:21:46] I can't realize.

[01:21:47] Well, Asia is taking off the board because this is going to be a final one.

[01:21:49] This is a multiple choice question.

[01:21:54] Because Jeff and I was going to include, I want to include Sarah on here because Jeff had

[01:21:58] some interesting remarks about her.

[01:22:00] The problem was, was that he says, I, you know, one of the reasons why I love Sarah is

[01:22:03] because she's so young and she has done so much and proceeded to list out everything

[01:22:09] Sierra has done.

[01:22:11] Oh, so I will list four things that Jeff says Sierra has done.

[01:22:18] Three of them are real.

[01:22:20] One of them I have made up.

[01:22:21] Okay.

[01:22:22] It is up to you to figure out who that was.

[01:22:27] So, so basically did Jeff Probst say that Sierra wasn't, or I guess pick the false responses

[01:22:33] out of the following, a softball player, a long distance swimmer, an on-air model with

[01:22:43] QVC or an Irish step dancer.

[01:22:49] So we have a softball player, a long distance swimmer, an on-air model with QVC and an Irish

[01:22:58] step dancer.

[01:23:02] To be clear, three of these are things that Jeff said Sierra has done.

[01:23:07] But has she actually done that?

[01:23:09] Or Jeff is just saying she's done that?

[01:23:10] I mean, listen, they, uh, I know Jeff says don't lie in your application video, but it's

[01:23:14] just like applying to a job.

[01:23:15] Sometimes you got to embellish the resume a bit.

[01:23:17] Yeah, exactly.

[01:23:18] All right, Mari, what do you think?

[01:23:21] I am going to go with, um, let's just, uh, softball player.

[01:23:34] Softball player you think is the, the false equivalency here.

[01:23:39] Liana, what about you?

[01:23:40] Sure.

[01:23:40] Is that long distance runner?

[01:23:42] So it was, it was long distance swimmer.

[01:23:44] Swimmer.

[01:23:45] But it doesn't matter the sport because that was correct.

[01:23:48] Uh, I made up that she was a long distance swimmer.

[01:23:53] Dang it.

[01:23:54] So this is the full list.

[01:23:56] This is what Jeff had to say about Sierra.

[01:23:58] Okay.

[01:23:58] I remember watching Sierra's video.

[01:24:00] I can still vaguely see it in my head and being blown away at everything she has already

[01:24:04] done at this young point in her life.

[01:24:06] She was a softball player.

[01:24:08] The entire, her entire life.

[01:24:09] She was also Miss Delaware.

[01:24:12] She was a Phillies ball girl.

[01:24:13] She was an on-air model with, I think, QVC.

[01:24:17] She was a news reporter.

[01:24:19] She was an Iris step dancer.

[01:24:21] She was a singer.

[01:24:22] She did CrossFit.

[01:24:23] And she was a registered nurse caregiver.

[01:24:26] And so she's done all these things and instantly likable, huge energy, very engaging, et cetera,

[01:24:32] et cetera.

[01:24:33] But that's a lot of stuff.

[01:24:35] Dang it.

[01:24:36] Put your audition tape.

[01:24:39] Too bad I lost that game about being on the same page as Jeff Probst.

[01:24:44] Exactly.

[01:24:45] Liana, whether or not you feel that you lose in the long term, you have won this game.

[01:24:49] You eeked out a come from behind victory here and are truly more mentally linked with

[01:24:54] Jeff Probst than Mari.

[01:24:56] I consider myself more of a survivor man gal, but, you know, I'll take it either way.

[01:25:01] One more thing I will briefly read is that as an addendum to I did not read the Gabe run

[01:25:06] because it was very similar to the Rome of like big energy, like loud and proud.

[01:25:10] And then he also talked about Gabe's I'll be back comment and replied, go on there with

[01:25:16] your bad self, Gabe.

[01:25:20] Oh, no.

[01:25:23] She's like, you know, when people say this, I'm like,

[01:25:25] I can't go on there with your bad self, Gabe.

[01:25:28] Well, OK, read us the Asia, please.

[01:25:32] There was no Asia.

[01:25:34] Boo!

[01:25:36] Ain't it possible?

[01:25:39] It wasn't even on the board.

[01:25:41] Wait, actually, while we stay on the Sierra note, can I bring this up?

[01:25:44] And I don't know if this is mentioned in any other podcast, but have either one of you

[01:25:48] been following that Sierra also has another commendation to her name that Jeff Probst did

[01:25:54] not mention in his breakdown of her?

[01:25:56] No.

[01:25:57] OK, this is going to be a little bit of a story time.

[01:26:00] So there is a costume that is sold at Spirit Halloween every year of Sally from the Nightmare

[01:26:07] Before Christmas.

[01:26:07] OK.

[01:26:09] Like the doll look.

[01:26:11] Yeah.

[01:26:11] And every single year since it's been out, people have tagged the costume.

[01:26:17] They took a picture of it and they say, is this Tanaman Joe?

[01:26:22] Tanaman Joe, of course, is this this big Internet celebrity influencer, et cetera.

[01:26:27] And this has happened for a while now.

[01:26:29] Every year it's like, OK, I can't believe Tanaman Joe modeled for this.

[01:26:33] Or is this really Tanaman Joe?

[01:26:34] Tanaman Joe herself this year was like dressed up like the model to say, like, it's not me.

[01:26:41] I'm trying to figure out we're all trying to figure out the person who did this.

[01:26:46] Lo and behold, a week ago, a tick tock was put out by one Sierra Wright, where she said

[01:26:55] she is the model for the Sally Spirit Halloween design.

[01:27:01] And so this like pretty deeply held random Internet question for the past like half decade or so

[01:27:08] has been answered by of all people, someone that is currently on the airing season of Survivor.

[01:27:15] I'm I'm looking at it now.

[01:27:17] It is her.

[01:27:19] I mean, it looks more like Tana, but with the makeup on.

[01:27:23] But she's got like behind the scenes photos and everything.

[01:27:25] So, I mean, obviously, it's definitely Sierra.

[01:27:27] That's so weird.

[01:27:28] Yeah, let me see if I can because I did I did treat it out, but we can take a look at it.

[01:27:33] Because it's a crossover.

[01:27:35] Yeah.

[01:27:36] So random.

[01:27:37] That reminds me of the celebrity number six from that print.

[01:27:41] Oh, yeah.

[01:27:43] Where there was like they could identify all the celebrities except for one.

[01:27:46] And then they finally found celebrity number six.

[01:27:48] Yeah, exactly.

[01:27:49] Let me see if I can bring it up on my screen.

[01:27:52] I did a tweet about it.

[01:27:56] OK.

[01:27:57] Yeah.

[01:27:57] So this on the left is the this is the Sally from Nightmare Before Christmas that people think looks like Tana Mongeau.

[01:28:06] And then this is Sierra.

[01:28:07] You know, it's tough to sort of like compare the two faces, especially amidst the heavy amount of makeup.

[01:28:13] But yeah, who would have thought like a random Internet mystery would get solved at the same time that Sarah is in the public sphere?

[01:28:20] Right.

[01:28:20] Like, Liana, to your point, that would be equivalent of like if celebrity number six was on a season of Big Brother and people were able to scout out like, oh, actually, when we brought up this mystery for the umpteenth time, it turns out that this person is in the public sphere in a very different way.

[01:28:35] Yeah, exactly.

[01:28:36] It took Sierra being on Survivor.

[01:28:38] Was that in Jeff's notes?

[01:28:40] I needed to know.

[01:28:42] He's like, we're going to bring the information to the world.

[01:28:45] She's a model for spirit.

[01:28:45] It was here all along.

[01:28:47] Oh, my goodness.

[01:28:49] I forgot to bring this up last week.

[01:28:51] I know we're running a little bit long on time, but have either one of you checked out the Jeff Probst response to a Survivor song yet?

[01:29:05] Mike, the answer is going to be no.

[01:29:08] OK, let me see if I can find this then.

[01:29:12] OK, so he wrote or whatever.

[01:29:15] Yes.

[01:29:16] So let's let's go into this a little bit.

[01:29:18] So now there is a man by the name of Oliver Richman, I believe, who made it sort of like his own viral habit to write a song every day of the year.

[01:29:32] And one of them, Tim's thinking about how do they wear glasses on Survivor?

[01:29:37] Because obviously with all of the elements around you, it's a very tough thing to accomplish.

[01:29:44] Since we're on the topic of Jeff Probst, I figured I would put it in here.

[01:29:49] So let me see if I can share my screen again here.

[01:29:52] So this is posted on the official Survivor Instagram as well.

[01:29:59] So let me see if I can include the sound.

[01:30:04] OK, can you hear that?

[01:30:06] So I know.

[01:30:07] You hear that?

[01:30:08] Yep.

[01:30:09] All right.

[01:30:10] So let's reload this.

[01:30:12] Classes on Survivor.

[01:30:14] I just want to know, is it a special kind of thing?

[01:30:19] This is Oliver Richman.

[01:30:21] Is it possible to break in the middle of a challenge?

[01:30:25] Because I know I wouldn't do the same.

[01:30:31] What do you do when you've dreamed your whole life of torches and challenges?

[01:30:38] Marry, take a hand.

[01:30:39] The thrill in the strife?

[01:30:43] What do you do when you've dreamed of alliances, of playing your part?

[01:30:48] The game is your calling.

[01:30:49] You can feel it.

[01:30:50] It's carved in your heart.

[01:30:52] Carved in your heart?

[01:30:53] What do you do when the jungle feels so near and you've practiced your puzzles year after year?

[01:31:06] You've imagined the boats and the idols you'd find outwit and outlast.

[01:31:11] It's your moment to shine on Survivor.

[01:31:18] But what do you do when you wear glasses?

[01:31:24] When the rain streaks the lenses and the mud harasses.

[01:31:29] When the puzzles are blur and the clues out of sight.

[01:31:33] You're squinting in the jungle in the dead of the night.

[01:31:36] Yes, what do you do when you wear glasses?

[01:31:42] What do you do when you wear glasses on Survivor?

[01:31:53] What do you do when you picture your tribe?

[01:31:56] The bonds you will build.

[01:31:58] The secrets you'll hide.

[01:31:59] You've seen it so clear in your Survivor dreams.

[01:32:02] The fire dances your victory gleams.

[01:32:07] The question is, can you outlast on Survivor?

[01:32:16] Because what do you do when you wear glasses?

[01:32:20] Is he going to answer the question?

[01:32:22] When the rain streaks the lenses and the mud harasses.

[01:32:26] When the puzzles are blur and the clues out of sight.

[01:32:31] You're squinting in the jungle in the dead of the night.

[01:32:34] Is what do you do when you wear glasses?

[01:32:40] What do you do when you wear glasses on Survivor?

[01:32:46] Don't let it stop you.

[01:32:53] It's still going!

[01:32:55] Don't you let it win.

[01:32:56] You see, survivors for all.

[01:33:00] Just bring your frames in.

[01:33:03] The fire still burns.

[01:33:05] Your dreams still alive.

[01:33:07] I'll win.

[01:33:07] I'll play.

[01:33:08] You can thrive and survive.

[01:33:11] So what do you do when you wear glasses?

[01:33:27] You show up.

[01:33:29] You play.

[01:33:33] Massive.

[01:33:33] A little fog keep you from the fight.

[01:33:39] There's a place in the jungle.

[01:33:41] Your flame's still burning bright.

[01:33:44] We're just waiting on you to apply.

[01:33:47] Whoa!

[01:33:47] So what do you do if you wear glasses?

[01:33:49] Hold on action.

[01:33:50] You chase your dream through.

[01:33:53] The jungle's still waiting.

[01:33:56] The jungle's still waiting and it's calling for you.

[01:34:02] Apply.

[01:34:04] To be on Survivor.

[01:34:06] And we'll figure out the glasses.

[01:34:11] Mike, that was three minutes of my life.

[01:34:13] I hate that you made me listen to that.

[01:34:16] Oh my God.

[01:34:17] You're such naysayers.

[01:34:19] I love that so much.

[01:34:22] It came across my TikTok for you page.

[01:34:24] And I was like, I listened to the first maybe 10 seconds.

[01:34:27] Absolutely not.

[01:34:29] I mean, the man is playing piano and wrote this song.

[01:34:33] I don't know.

[01:34:33] Did he get like scripts behind the scenes?

[01:34:35] Slips a Monday under the table.

[01:34:36] Be like, can you write me a three minute song?

[01:34:38] You owe me three minutes, Mike.

[01:34:41] Yes.

[01:34:42] Mario.

[01:34:44] I think my favorite of the many great lyrics has to be about

[01:34:48] what you do on Survivor when you wear glasses.

[01:34:50] When the mud harasses, which like, I know that Jeff loves mud on Survivor

[01:34:54] to introduce to birth you into the game.

[01:34:56] But now I don't like this implication that they're also harassing the

[01:34:59] contestants with the mud.

[01:35:01] I mean, he didn't even answer the question.

[01:35:03] He didn't even answer the question.

[01:35:04] He's like, we'll figure it out.

[01:35:05] Just figure it out.

[01:35:07] We'll figure it out.

[01:35:08] It was three minutes.

[01:35:09] Just say.

[01:35:10] I don't know.

[01:35:12] We'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

[01:35:13] Apply to be on Survivor.

[01:35:15] Marketing.

[01:35:15] It's gotten so insidious.

[01:35:17] Oh.

[01:35:18] They got yourself out here doing it.

[01:35:20] All right.

[01:35:21] That's fine.

[01:35:21] That's enough.

[01:35:22] That's enough.

[01:35:23] I mean, I think games and frames and that rhyming structure.

[01:35:27] Mwah.

[01:35:27] Chef's kiss.

[01:35:28] Say magnifying.

[01:35:29] All right.

[01:35:30] Well, Mari, let's take the spotlight perhaps away from Jeff's songwriting

[01:35:33] Skills and have you spin a verse for us about charity.

[01:35:37] Is there a highlight of a cause that you want the listeners to know about?

[01:35:42] A different song to sing about how to help those in need?

[01:35:45] Yes.

[01:35:46] You know, Giving Tuesday is over, but you can always give, you know,

[01:35:50] 364 days a year.

[01:35:51] Whatever.

[01:35:54] So this time I have picked Black Girl Smile.

[01:35:58] Black Girl Smile is a nonprofit organization that empowers the mental

[01:36:01] well-being of Black women and girls.

[01:36:05] Okay.

[01:36:07] It's very important these days, this day and age.

[01:36:10] Let's support Black women and Black girls and their mental health and

[01:36:14] well-being because we need it.

[01:36:19] Oh, yeah.

[01:36:20] That'll be my charity this week.

[01:36:22] Amazing.

[01:36:23] Well, Mari, thank you so much for coming on.

[01:36:25] Got to experience the high highs of talking about this fantastic episode.

[01:36:29] Yes.

[01:36:30] Some would say maybe the not so high highs about listening to a three-minute

[01:36:34] song of Jeff Brooks answering about what do you do when you wear glasses on

[01:36:37] Survivor.

[01:36:38] But regardless, we were so happy to have you here.

[01:36:41] Now, you were always busy in the podcast sphere.

[01:36:43] What would you like to plug to the listeners out there?

[01:36:45] I know.

[01:36:46] I got to plot your demise.

[01:36:48] Like a podcast demise.

[01:36:49] Get in line.

[01:36:50] I got to do something to get you back for that three minutes.

[01:36:55] That's the problem, though.

[01:36:56] It's like, to me, that was the opposite of a punishment.

[01:36:59] Like, that's what I, that's my equivalent of an ice cream dinner.

[01:37:01] I know.

[01:37:02] It's hard to shame the shameless.

[01:37:08] So you can catch me and Chappelle over on Recap Kickback just talking about

[01:37:12] whatever we want.

[01:37:13] You know, we cool.

[01:37:14] We kicking it over there.

[01:37:16] You can go to RecapKickback.com.

[01:37:18] In order to subscribe, you can go to YouTube.com slash at Recap Kickback to

[01:37:23] watch the videos.

[01:37:25] The last thing we did, we had Isaiah on to talk about, we talked about, we did

[01:37:29] like a rap episode.

[01:37:31] We talked about the Kendrick's album a little bit.

[01:37:35] We talked about Drake suing everybody.

[01:37:37] But we also just talked about the first four episodes of season two of Rhythm

[01:37:43] and Flow on Netflix.

[01:37:45] Yeah, we had a very fun time talking about that.

[01:37:48] And I actually snuck in some Wicked.

[01:37:50] We talked about Wicked too.

[01:37:52] So I snuck in some Wicked.

[01:37:54] So that was, that was very fun.

[01:37:56] Definitely go and watch the YouTube.

[01:37:58] I think that that's the funnest thing to watch.

[01:38:01] So go to YouTube.com slash at Recap Kickback.

[01:38:04] And of course, me and Sarah Cardin are over on Crime Scene, bringing you true crime on

[01:38:09] Tuesdays.

[01:38:10] Make sure you subscribe by going to CrimeScenePod.com.

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[01:38:38] We're on Apple, Spotify, all of them.

[01:38:41] So just make sure you resubscribe so you don't miss, don't miss any episodes.

[01:38:45] If you're like, hey, Crime Scene, I haven't gotten any crime scenes.

[01:38:48] There's been five episodes since we switched over.

[01:38:50] So go check us out over there.

[01:38:53] And then other than that, I've been popping in and out with the aforementioned Asia and

[01:38:59] Jason over at the Married at First Sight podcast.

[01:39:02] We've been having a lot of fun.

[01:39:04] You know, I was tapped in, you know, Asia, she chants in and she's like making her move.

[01:39:09] So I've been helping out.

[01:39:10] I've been helping out with Married at First Sight.

[01:39:13] And it's just been so fun.

[01:39:15] So just go to love at first sight feed.

[01:39:17] Rob has a website dot com slash love at first sight in order to subscribe to their feed

[01:39:21] to listen to Married at First Sight.

[01:39:23] And of course, you can find me on Blue Sky.

[01:39:25] I'm no longer on Twitter.

[01:39:26] I said yoink to that.

[01:39:29] I am no longer there.

[01:39:31] So at Mari Talks Too Much on Blue Sky.

[01:39:35] All right.

[01:39:37] Fantastic.

[01:39:37] Liana, what do you have going on?

[01:39:39] We and I are continuing to cover the Masked Singer.

[01:39:41] So we just covered the quarterfinals, which was really, really fun.

[01:39:44] It was a fun podcast.

[01:39:46] Just some disagreements, but we came together at the end.

[01:39:49] Uh oh.

[01:39:49] And then also Drag Race beat Reveal happened for season 17.

[01:39:55] So we are gearing back up for Drag Race U.S.

[01:39:59] at least seasons.

[01:40:01] So current plan, we will be back.

[01:40:04] The premiere is, I believe, January 3rd for season 17 of Drag Race.

[01:40:08] You heard it here first.

[01:40:09] Liana says America first when it comes to Drag Race.

[01:40:13] Aw.

[01:40:14] I'm so sorry, Liana.

[01:40:16] I'm just putting words in your mouth.

[01:40:18] No, I'm just saying Drag Race is constantly on, right?

[01:40:21] Like, we've got so many different countries,

[01:40:24] plus global all-stars and versus the worlds

[01:40:26] and all of that fun stuff.

[01:40:28] So we're keeping it a little bit simple.

[01:40:30] We're staying with the OG Drag Race.

[01:40:33] Yeah.

[01:40:34] So versus the world might be a concept

[01:40:36] that carries over to Survivor in 2025,

[01:40:38] but we're here in 2024,

[01:40:41] and we'll have more fantastic Survivor to talk about.

[01:40:43] Of course, check out my interview with Caroline.

[01:40:45] I had so much fun getting to talk with her.

[01:40:47] I think, as we expected,

[01:40:49] she brings a lot of great analysis to the table

[01:40:51] as to her own position,

[01:40:53] both in digesting that big blindside

[01:40:55] as well as why she made the moves that she did,

[01:40:57] and of course answering the important questions

[01:40:59] as to why Sue's face is so dirty.

[01:41:02] I will also tease a little bit of a,

[01:41:05] in line with Mari,

[01:41:06] if you are looking for some wicked coverage here

[01:41:08] on the RHAP network,

[01:41:11] hold some space.

[01:41:12] Watch this space,

[01:41:13] because there might be some stuff coming sooner

[01:41:15] rather than later,

[01:41:17] in addition to all the other scripted stuff

[01:41:18] that I get to do.

[01:41:20] Next week,

[01:41:22] whether it's two boots or one,

[01:41:24] we will officially kick off

[01:41:26] the finale two-week event.

[01:41:28] Only six people left.

[01:41:29] I mean, I think I'm certainly in line

[01:41:31] with what Mari and Liana are saying,

[01:41:33] and that I would imagine

[01:41:34] as fun and exciting as Operation Italy was,

[01:41:37] we still might default back

[01:41:38] to some combination of Sam and Genevieve

[01:41:40] being the next two boots,

[01:41:42] but that doesn't mean we can't live in the moment

[01:41:44] and, you know,

[01:41:45] truly embrace this fantastic Italian meal

[01:41:48] that we devour

[01:41:49] without necessarily needing to worry

[01:41:50] about the calories and carbs afterwards.

[01:41:52] But regardless,

[01:41:54] whatever's going to happen in these two hours,

[01:41:55] we're going to have a very fun guest

[01:41:57] joining us next week.

[01:41:58] Omar Zaheer will be stopping,

[01:42:00] and I imagine we'll have plenty of animals to discuss.

[01:42:03] We also might have a secret guest coming in too,

[01:42:07] but I won't promise anything just yet

[01:42:09] in case things fall through at the last second.

[01:42:10] But Omar is definitely guaranteed to be on next weekend,

[01:42:13] and we hope you all will join us.

[01:42:15] Thank you so much for listening.

[01:42:16] I know it's only two weeks left,

[01:42:18] but hey,

[01:42:18] if you have any random game ideas

[01:42:20] that you want us to incorporate into the B&B,

[01:42:22] you can always email us,

[01:42:24] rhapbnb at gmail.com,

[01:42:26] or use hashtag rhapbnb on social media.

[01:42:30] Special thanks to the entire team behind the scenes

[01:42:32] at RHAP for bringing this podcast to your eyes and ears,

[01:42:36] and for Will from America for his fantastic theme song,

[01:42:39] which you can hear on the audio version of this podcast.

[01:42:42] And just to make it even more tempting

[01:42:44] for the audio listeners,

[01:42:46] perhaps I'll put a certain song as the outro as well,

[01:42:48] or at least part of it to remember it by.

[01:42:52] But perhaps I'll be granting Mario and Liana a reprieve

[01:42:54] by not putting it on the video version.

[01:42:56] We'll just sign off for now.

[01:42:57] We'll be back next week with Omar Zahir

[01:42:59] breaking down part one of the two-part finale of Survivor 47.

[01:43:03] Until next time, everybody,

[01:43:05] we'll check you out on your next day.

[01:43:07] What do you do when you've dreamed your whole life

[01:43:11] of torches and challenges,

[01:43:13] the thrill and the strife?

[01:43:16] What do you do when you've dreamed of alliances,

[01:43:21] of playing your part?

[01:43:23] The game is your calling.

[01:43:24] You can feel it.

[01:43:25] It's carved in your heart.

[01:43:30] What do you do when the jungle feels so near

[01:43:33] and you've practiced your puzzles

[01:43:37] year after year?

[01:43:41] You've imagined the votes and the idols you'd find,

[01:43:45] outwit and outlast.

[01:43:46] It's your moment to shine

[01:43:49] on Survivor.

[01:43:52] But what do you do when you wear glasses?

[01:43:59] When the rain streaks the lenses

[01:44:01] and the mud harasses.

[01:44:05] Puzzles are blurring the clues out of sight.

[01:44:08] You're squinting in the jungle

[01:44:09] in the dead of the night.

[01:44:11] Yes, what do you do when you wear glasses?

[01:44:14] When you're on登hip- óptive

[01:44:14] Dan Clemens

[01:44:14] versates theBLGruise

[01:44:14] Later阮