Know-It-Alls: Survivor 50 Ep 11

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[00:01:26] The smartest guys around We're about to break it down We're about to break it down Like they've won the game a million times Well, actually, they didn't really win the game at all Surviving no it all Surviving no it all

[00:02:14] Yes, that's right! We are here after a back-to-back episode or about one episode, but back-to-back tribal councils. Don't Steven? No Rob. Steven and Gabby. Rob is off hobnobbing with the Glitterati in New York City. Some insane event. He has something like 1400 people Like the biggest RHAP event ever Like potentially the biggest gathering ever of Survivor fans in one place

[00:02:41] And of course, Rob is chasing those highs of hobnobbing instead of holding it down with the Potterati But I am here to promote the tribe has spoken and speak to the legendary, the brilliant Gabby Pascuzzi. Welcome Gabby! Hello, Steven. It's an honor to be here. I don't know about legendary, but I am honored to take the place of our podfather

[00:03:09] But really I'm taking your place and you're taking his place. I don't know. I'm happy to be here. I guess legendary. I mean in the sense that I wasn't sure you really exist. I've always thought of you as some sort of, you know, half real, half mythical. Yeah. We met in person. Maybe there was a historical basis, but were you real? I'm sorry. Thank you so much for being here today. What an episode to talk about. So much to break down. Gabby, how are you? I'm great.

[00:03:35] I am wrapping up my semester of my PhD, hopefully getting to the end soon, but thrilled to be punctuating every Wednesday of my PhD journey with this amazing season of Survivor. I thought this episode was a great one. Yeah. A punctuation was an exclamation point, which is something I'm a punctuation mark that I love. Let's get into it here.

[00:04:01] First of all, sad to have you on not talking about Christian, but I know you were on stage doing some hobnobbing of your own in Toronto, getting to break down the Jimmy Fallon of it all. But tonight we are not a non-celebrity edition, but plenty to complain about too in terms of twists. We have a split tribal council, two people going home. The headline of the night is that Emily Flippen goes home and Ozzy goes home.

[00:04:30] Gabby, how did you feel about it all? Like, give me your rough overview. We'll get into the specifics, but like, where are you on this split tribal? I, in general, I'm not a big fan of the split tribals because I feel like we do all this. We gain all this momentum to see how these dynamics are going to play out in the bigger tribe, the bigger merge tribe. And then we just split it in half randomly.

[00:04:54] And then the dynamics don't always come to bear because you could be on a group, in a group with completely random people. And so that sometimes takes the wind out of me. But despite that, I actually think we got some interesting strategizing in both of the mini tribal councils. Full sized, I guess. I don't know. It's sort of like when you ask for an ice cream scoop. Full ice cream scoop, two different flavors in the scoop.

[00:05:22] So one scoop, you can do that? Just like one scoop with two flavors in one scoop? Wow, I didn't know that. Some places allow you, some force you to get two scoops. And it's like, well, I don't want to pay for two scoops. I want one scoop, half a scoop, each flavor. So half scoop, different flavors, full scoop tribal council. That's what I'm going to call this. I'm sure that analogy will resonate. Jeff would have loved that analogy. I would have gone over great. I actually thought we got some really interesting strategizing.

[00:05:50] And the dynamics that I was talking about, usually not being able to come to bear in these split tribals, actually in an interesting way sort of did. And I'm thinking about the Ceri and Ozzy and Rizzo of it all. Like there actually was a very interesting dynamic between the three of them because they were split up. Yeah. It was super interesting. You're right. I mean, first of all, I did not. I don't like the split. I don't like it at nine. I think this is such an action-packed season.

[00:06:19] There's like really interesting factions. The pleasure, the greatest pleasure of the season for me, well, other than watching Rick Devins work his magic, is watching Sari Fields work her magic and every single week kind of like take these new threats and defuse them. I said last week I was worried that this was catching up to her, that she had eliminated so many of her allies that now like the heat was going to be on. I was excited to see her do it again. And I think she could have done it again, you know, to save Ozzy. But we don't really get the chance to find out, you know, and I think that just kind of sucks.

[00:06:49] Like, and there was an interesting strategy. You're right. It wasn't just a pile on of Aubrey, which I think would have felt worse. Like, oh, Aubrey just swapped to the wrong group and then she's out. But I think it sucks that like there's all these dynamics built. You spend a month or I guess three weeks, you know, kind of like layering in your plans and building alliances to protect you. And then like you draw the wrong colored rock. And sorry for you. The game is over. I don't like that. I did think both of the tribal councils were really interesting.

[00:07:16] And I really actually loved the power broker twist. I thought that was super fun. I like Jonathan. And of course, I'm a little more pro-Jonathan than others. But I like Jonathan going, the idea that Jonathan was going back and forth between the two camps. I was kind of hoping that like we learned at the start of the episode that Sari had given Ozzy a code word. Right. Like to activate the idol. And I was kind of like hoping that she would like slip it in somehow.

[00:07:44] Like, like, like pull Jonathan over and just be like, just tell Ozzy, you know, just tell Ozzy treetop. You know, like or like whatever it is. What do you think the code word was for the idol? I had the same thought. I was like, that would be so slick if she could. Maybe they made it something really obscure that she couldn't pop it in. Like maybe it's like pineapple or something that she could drop it at tribal and not like raise suspicion because that was like the whole point of the code. But unique enough that you wouldn't be saying it in everyday speech by accident.

[00:08:14] Yeah. Yeah. But then how could she get Jonathan to say it's like, oh, go tell Ozzy. And then she says this weird phrase. Yeah. Yeah. You should just talk to Ozzy about like what his favorite toppings on pizza are. Yeah. To distract him. And then he says pineapple. Yeah. Yeah. That's very funny. I would love. Yeah.

[00:08:35] So bummed that that didn't happen, but we had a really fun tribal council with I'm trying to like with with Rick and Sari where two advantages were played perfectly. You like you love to see it. You love everyone like taking their tools and using them perfectly. And like, I mean, very sad to see Emily go. Let's start with that tribal council because it was first. And I think there's a little bit more meat on the bone of the other one because it seemed like this tribal council, that first tribal council was.

[00:09:03] Pretty cut and dry where you. The swap had these two very clear factions. You had Tiffany and Sari who were together and you had Rick and Emily who were together. And then Jonathan wants to get Rick out. So they that group has the numbers. And then do you think there's any world? Was it right? Let's just start at the beginning of this. Was it right for Rick and Emily to try to go for Sari? Is that the move here? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:09:31] I think I think that they did a great job. Despite it not working out for Emily. I think and we don't know if they really bought the whole fake plan. But like I wanted to start off by saying that I'm also sad Emily's gone. I think she had a great night, honestly, and ended up looking like such a strong and strategic survivor player. Even in her own boot episode.

[00:09:59] She said she wanted to not play passively like on her last elimination. And she didn't. She really thought of these multi-layered plans. And I think it was it was a good play. And if Sari had not had an extra vote, it appears that it might have worked. And I think, you know, they stuck together. Yes. Maybe they could have turned on each other.

[00:10:28] But they probably knew that their alliance was worth more than turning on each other and then just maybe going home the next time anyway. Like swinging big. So I think they made the right decision. It just didn't work out for them this time. Is there any world where they could have convinced Sari to vote out Tiffany? Like, is that ever happening? Because like, you know, Rick and Sari and Emily were part of the Sela 4, right?

[00:10:53] Like, and in fact, some of the animus there is because Sari turned on Christian and they feel like she violated that. But like they started the game together and they were in an alliance from the jump. Like, is there a world where they are looking at these numbers and saying, you know, let's go for Tiffany here? I think it would be a hard sell. It seems to us that Sari and Tiffany are close. I don't know how it seems to them. But I think Sari would just go ahead right away and tell Tiffany. And then she'd be like, oh, yeah, for sure. We got to get them gone.

[00:11:22] Because the feeling around Rick and Emily is like they're too unpredictable. They're chaotic. They're going to try everything. And so that would just be even more evidence like, oh, they really are trying everything. But maybe there's like a very out there idea where if they allow Sari to not look like she was going for Tiffany, like if they're like, listen, we'll go for Tiffany and you just vote in this way and we'll play an idol. And Tiffany will go out and you don't ever have to have any blood on your hands. Like maybe they could have swung it that way.

[00:11:50] But I think Sari is just too good of a player where she is not going to get tricked by you to vote out somebody that is better for her game. I think at this point, Tiffany is better for her game than Rick and Emily. But it is a shame because they were working together before. It just seems like she's really bonded with Tiffany. Yeah. And also like from Sari's perspective, you know, Tiffany is someone who doesn't have a lot of other options. Right. I mean, Tiffany, we do see Tiffany working with Joe. But otherwise, like Sari and Tiffany are kind of joined now. We see them together all the time.

[00:12:20] And I'm sure that's more desirable from Sari's perspective is to have someone who's like her pocket ally rather than having to deal with the chaos of of Rick and Emily. Do you really think they bought it? Like I like if you and Christian were coming to me and saying like, let's, you know, you're like, oh, yeah, I'm going to like vote out Christian. Let's all stack the votes on, you know, on me or, you know, Christian. And like he's going to play his idol on me. Like that would be a little bit of a sell for me.

[00:12:49] I don't know if I would buy that. You guys had so completely turned on each other rather than that you were trying to pull one over on. Yeah, it's it's I don't know if they bought it either. Um, because we saw like either way they were splitting their votes between Emily and Rick. And so it's kind of just like, which one are they putting more votes on? Which one are they expecting it to bounce off of? I think they probably didn't buy it. And they were like, either way, one of them is going, I'm going to use my extra vote. But it is a hard sell.

[00:13:18] But at the same time, you could believe it. This is why I think Emily did a good, a decent job where if she was like, listen, I know it's either me going home tonight or Rick. Like, I'd rather be Rick. Like, help me be devious and backstab him. But yeah, I think that like the big brain thing on top of that, which to Emily's credit, she does say Ceri's not stupid. She can probably put together the puzzle pieces. And Ceri does. So it's not that it was a bad plan.

[00:13:45] It's just like, I think that you'd have to be doing that against somebody a bit more naive than Ceri. Maybe somebody a bit more hyper focused. Maybe if they had done that on like Joe, if Joe was hyper focused on Rick. I love that idea. Yeah. So, but I mean, honestly, they did a good enough job for the plan to work in the edit for me because I was like nail. I was like, you know, I didn't want Emily to go out.

[00:14:12] But I also like the idea that Ceri would go out blindsided with an extra vote in her pocket. I was I was writing her obituary like Ceri. How could you like this is literally this is literally the perfect place to play an extra vote where you are splitting. You just have like, you know, you don't have quite enough votes to split on two people. They're an idol is being played. You don't know in which one of them like you could not ask for a more picture perfect place to play the extra vote.

[00:14:38] And if Ceri didn't play, like I really thought there was a chance that she was going to hold on to it. Did you where were you? Did you buy it or do you like where what did you think was going to happen going into tribal council? I I I don't know if I thought that far ahead. Nowadays, I just watch and I go. Woohoo. I'm like, maybe I shouldn't be on the know it all because I'm just like I'm here for the ride. But no, I was hoping that she would use it. And I agree that she played it perfectly. The irony of it all is she got this vote from Ozzy.

[00:15:07] Yeah, this was Ozzy's extra vote that he gave her. But he couldn't use it anyway. He was screwed anyway. He was screwed. But but the thing is, she manages to use the advantage correctly that she got from Ozzy. And Ozzy does not use his advantage correctly. And so it just I feel like the contrast there is like jumping a little bit. But like Ozzy and Sari this whole time, we've seen like Sari's the brains of the operation.

[00:15:34] And it's kind of just like epitomized in this moment where she manages to play this advantage exactly correctly. While Ozzy doesn't clock the social dynamics going around him and he goes home with an advantage in his pocket. It just really highlights like their differences in strengths where Sari is the Sari behind the Sari brul of Oz. Oh, I like that. The Sari brul. Yeah.

[00:15:59] And Joe, I mean, not to not to be, you know, we should also talk about Rick who also manages to play his idol perfectly. Because I am pretty sure that Rick is going home here if he doesn't play his idol. Do you agree with that? Like if they split and Rick didn't play his idol, they're voting out Rick here, right? I agree. Yeah. I think Rick did an amazing job as well. He recognized that maybe he could get cocky and push it one more vote. But he correctly recognized like they're not stupid. They're going to be coming for me and Emily.

[00:16:28] And almost like both of them being on the same tribe forces his hand in a way where he's like, I have to play it, whether on himself or on Emily. Right. But it's like he they've got a thing. Yeah, obviously, they're splitting both between us. I've got to play it in some form or another. And maybe that gets the target off of him or maybe it opens him up. But either way, he he will now have survived two extra tribal councils than he initially thought that he would. Right. That he was going to go home last time with Mr. Beast.

[00:16:57] And then he was safe for that one. And now he's safe for this one from the idol that he got last time. So I feel like, you know, Rick is doing Rick Devon's things and he's he's great. Like also, I just have to say, I loved the various shots of Rick. We got celebrating. It was so good. He's dancing. He's putting on a little performance. He's so funny. He's like, I loved him on the rock, like spread leg with his arms out. Like that was that's my new screensaver.

[00:17:23] Like it was really this was such a great episode for Rick. I felt like we saw so much of his personality. We saw like his joy and his goofiness. We saw his strategic side. And then we also saw a really heartfelt scene with Ozzy, which we'll get into in a minute. But on the contrary, we also saw the Joe of it all. And Joe was a little bit less goofy and joy filled. Joe thought that it was inappropriate what Rick did.

[00:17:51] He's going around camp and telling everybody that it was really inappropriate what Rick did. What did Rick do that was inappropriate, though? We never quite learned. I'm with Sari when he was talking to her and she's like, I don't know if I would say it was inappropriate. I think it's just survivor. Presumably they're not. I mean, does Joe just consider it inappropriate that Rick wasn't voted out? Like, I think Joe thinks like it's inappropriate for Rick to still be in this game. Yeah, yeah, that's what's inappropriate.

[00:18:21] I think he my earnest answer is I think he thinks it's inappropriate that Rick exposed everyone's plans at tribal council that he said, oh, so and so told me this, this and this. Why? I don't know. Because as again, as Sari said, we were about to vote him out, Joe. Right. It's survivor. He was about to be eliminated. He is like playing the game.

[00:18:49] I'm not I'm not I'm not clear on what Joe's philosophy on survivor is because he I mean, he did blindside someone tonight. So as Sari said, this whole podcast is just going to be me quoting Sari. He lives on hypocrisy hill. It's a great podcast. Yeah, because also not for nothing, but Rick voted with Emily on the revote, even knowing that the jig was up.

[00:19:18] And Emily was going to get voted out. Rick still voted with her. So, you know, who here is the real honor and integrity alliance? You know, I feel like Rick rode with his ally to the bitter end. Joe voted out his buddy, Ozzy. Yeah, I actually the the the Christian Emily and Rick contingent never turned on each other.

[00:19:43] Like we saw that, like we said earlier, Emily could have turned on Rick and actually just chose chosen to vote him out. But she didn't. And he voted with her. And I think that is beautiful. Do you think what what factor did Jonathan play? I mean, it's because it really felt like all of the sort of energy was on the other tribal council. Maybe we should have started talking about that. I feel like if Robert here, he would have like let's start with like the big chaotic, crazy tribal council.

[00:20:12] I like to work into it a little bit more. No, you know, chronologically, it's all good. But but what's what factor do you think Jonathan played on this tribal council? Yeah, a huge factor. I mean, this was a very powerful advantage to win, in my opinion, because not only are you immune, you you actually get to vote twice and you are the only one that can go across between the two groups. Like it's a huge advantage.

[00:20:40] And and by the way, one that I mean, he did deserve to win it. But like that he almost didn't win when the immunity like that was crazy. I mean, thank God that they had the replay, you know, which they didn't have. Like, you know, when he says that to her, obviously she doesn't can't watch the replay back. So, you know, that's why Jeff is saying to her, like, are you OK with this? Do you trust me? Yeah. I mean, I will say I know shade to Tiff, but actually as it was playing, I said I was like,

[00:21:09] she doesn't have her foot up when the others. Oh, wow. I actually noticed it and I felt actually weird about her win and not like I was happy for her, but I was like, oh, my God, I can't believe I just witnessed kind of like a weird rule. I literally said this. And then when he called in the standards and practices, I was like, oh, shoot, they are very honor and integrity survivor crew. Honor and integrity. Yeah.

[00:21:37] But, you know, a huge one to kind of have it be off by seconds on because you asked me, you know, what role did Jonathan play? And I think it's a huge role. And so I think whoever was in that role, it's a huge role because you are essentially the swing vote on two separate tribal councils because they're even numbers. There's four people in each group. Does having this like person be able to go back and forth, the power broker advantage, does that mitigate the split a little bit for you?

[00:22:07] Yeah, it does. I think if they are going to do a twist like this where they break people up, there needs to be some sort of through line, some sort of thread that still makes it feel like we're in a merge, right? Like we're playing the individual part of Survivor still, not like two separate mini groups. Like when Rizzo said, oh, this is like two final five votes. Jeff actually said, oh, I didn't think of it that way. I was like, come on, you didn't think of that? Like it is like two smaller votes.

[00:22:35] So I definitely think having someone be the through line and be able to go back and forth added a level of intrigue and actually made what was very frustrating to me as well, which you alluded to earlier is like, oh, now we couldn't see Sari try to work her magic with saving Ozzy and stuff like that. But having Jonathan be there salvaged it a tiny bit because she was able actually to

[00:23:01] tell Jonathan to convince Joe that they should tell Rizzo to loop Rizzo in because Sari is thinking if Rizzo knows, then maybe he can tip Ozzy off. Obviously he didn't. We can talk about that. But I think at least I felt a little bit better that it wasn't like they were completely isolated because there still could be information passed through. And I actually think if they keep this twist in, there's a big evolution of strategy that

[00:23:27] could happen here in terms of how you use that middle person or how that middle person plays it. Yeah, I agree. I thought this was a really I mean, again, like I do not love the split, but I thought if we're going to have to split, this is a very fun way to make it a little more interesting where there's someone going back and forth. They're voting twice. So they have a huge amount of power, but they also have this sort of like they're trying to like navigate, you know, navigate what's what's going on between both and also thinking

[00:23:53] of like, how do I create my ideal final seven on the other side of this? And I'm like, well, we should talk about that towards the end of this podcast. Like, you know, did Jonathan like in terms of like the picture he's painting for himself? Like, does it does it add up? Like, is it was it was it was he doing something cohesive or were these two kind of like individually distinct decisions? That said, if this ends up ruining series game, which it kind of looks like it might because like Ozzy is literally says I want to go to the end with Sari.

[00:24:20] He's the one person out there who probably thinks this right. Right. And like Ozzy, who believes he is on track to win this game and is yet choosing a path that's guaranteed a law guaranteed loss, you know? So I don't feel too bad about Ozzy losing here because he's basically said like I'm signing up to lose. But I do feel like there's a world where this is the sort of downfall of Sari's game. And is that if that's the case, like is Sari swap screwed once again? Like or or not swap screwed, I guess. But, you know, advantage screwed.

[00:24:49] Is she kind of twist screwed once again? I think it's too too early and too too far away to know that. But well, honestly, I'm going to say no. Like, yes, it's frustrating that she couldn't work to save her ally. But as I pointed out, I think she did the best that she could do trying to get the message to Rizzo. And also her ally made a huge mistake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think she could have. I think she could have walked it back.

[00:25:19] I agree with you, but I think she could have walked back. I also don't think he would have done that. But anyway, we should. Well, we'll also like. Yeah, I don't know. Let's talk about that other tribal council, because that I do think was really interesting. There was a lot that went into this. So we see this group of Ozzy, Rizzo, Joe, and then Jonathan, and then Aubrey. And everything looks like Aubrey is just going to go home here.

[00:25:48] But Jonathan already wants to take out Ozzy. Like he's already said, like, we need to get Ozzy out of this game. And then you have. Aubrey who sees an opportunity. You want to talk through Ozzy's choice here to divulge his whole game to Aubrey? Was that a good choice on Ozzy's part? I'm going to say no. I'm going to say that is hubris. That is.

[00:26:16] And by the way, if you are going to do jury management and talk to someone about essentially what your end game plan is and why you should win. You better be playing the idol that night. Oh, yeah. You better be sitting there. Like you better be surviving. That is one of the most basic errors that you can make on Survivor is assuming that someone else is going to be fine with going home and letting you win.

[00:26:43] Like it's a very bizarre kind of short-sighted, like egocentric way of viewing things where it's like, oh, man, I'm sorry, Aubrey. But you know what? I really want to win. Yeah. What the hell? You think after the prize money just went up to $2 million that Aubrey doesn't want to win? Like everyone wants to win. Or as you commented, you know, $1 million. That's still a lot of money. Still a lot of money. Yeah. Still a lot of money. So, yeah.

[00:27:09] I mean, like, I don't feel like there's any example ever because even if you know you're going to be there, even if you're playing 16 idols that night, you know, just in case there's an idol nullifier out there, it's still just insulting to the person you're talking about. And we've seen a lot of people, their games just, you know, we saw Andy do that with Rachel. Yes. It ended Andy's game. We saw Joe do it with Mary where Joe and Mary, like, ends Joe's relationship with Mary because it's like insulting to that person that all they are to you is like, a jury vote.

[00:27:39] It's like, it's really like removes them from the game before they're even out of the game. You're going to have time to make your case. But like doing it before they're gone is really like it's any kind of like lights of fire. I have to say this happened to me on Token Sheens where Debbie Beebe came up to me and was like, you know, I was like getting it was the merge and we were getting to know each other. And she was saying how wonderful it was to meet everybody. And she's like, yeah, you know, it's really important for you get to get to know people because you're going to be on the jury. And I was like, F you, Debbie. You're going to be on the freaking jury.

[00:28:08] But it really like it honestly was one of those moments where I was like, F this. I'm not playing this game. And I think that that is, you know, it sounds like it's kind of irrelevant. But I think that kind of like motivating moment of like being dismissed can really just like activate you to be like, I'm going to take charge right now. And we see that from Aubrey. Right away. And it's not just right because it's not just that he was. I agree. It's insulting. It's dismissive to say, here's why I think I'm going to win.

[00:28:36] And he didn't just say, when I'm sitting there in the final three, I really hope you vote for me. He actually gave tangible information in the game that is currently ongoing. It's still the tribal council hasn't happened yet. The game is still live. The game is afoot. And you're telling her, Sari has an extra vote. I have a final two with her. Like, I don't know if he like got blindness from the fact that he's not on the same beach as Sari.

[00:29:05] Sari, because certainly, like, that's not a thing that you do. If you're on the same beach with your ally, you're not telling somebody who's going home tonight their information. And I almost feel like, oh, God, it was like the minute he got separated from Sari, he started making all of these tactical errors. He was no longer cerebral, Ozzy. He was just brol. He brol. Brol. He even said he did not want to go to the end with Rizzo. He specifically said that.

[00:29:33] Now, we don't know if that was a lie, but given that everything else he said is the truth, you know, that does give Aubrey ammunition that she can take right over to Rizzo, which is what she does. Which is exactly what she does. It's such a strange thing to give information that basically no one in the game knows except, you know, Rizzo knows.

[00:29:53] And I don't know if word got out about the extra vote, but regardless, you know, the thing that's supposed to be very secret to give that information, not just to anyone outside of your alliance, but to the actual target who is going home tonight is like a mind boggling move. And obviously, he had a lot of trust in the others that were there.

[00:30:16] Rizzo, which I understand because they have the secret alliance of the Ceresard of Oz, and Joe, who he was on CELA with. But, right, I do think a lot of it comes down to essentially underestimating Aubrey. Yeah. But ultimately, honestly, though, Ozzy was right to trust his alliance because Aubrey makes her campaign. She goes to Joe. She says these things. She goes to Rizzo. The vote doesn't change, right?

[00:30:43] Like, it's still Aubrey until Jonathan comes over. And then Jonathan makes this pitch to Joe. And he's like, Joe's still like, no. He's like, no, the vote is Aubrey. Like, obviously, the vote is Aubrey. Jonathan goes back to Ceree. Ceree's like, bring in Rizzo, thinking that this is going to save Ozzy. But actually, ironically, I think this is what condemns Ozzy. Because I think this is where the vote flips. Because Joe was not budging, it seemed like.

[00:31:09] And until Rizzo is brought in and agrees to it, that's when the vote seems to move. Interesting. I hadn't thought about that. I hadn't thought about the fact of, was Joe going to do it regardless of whether Rizzo was in or not? I wasn't sure if it was just Joe wanted Rizzo to know. But I think you're actually right.

[00:31:32] That Joe maybe doesn't feel good about doing it unless essentially everybody is in on it. So that's really interesting. I hadn't thought about that, that it was this unintended backfiring of Ceree trying to bring Rizzo in, thinking that he would save Ozzy and might have actually condemned him. I was curious what you thought about Rizzo's decision to get rid of Ozzy and to not save him. Yeah.

[00:32:00] I mean, it's tricky because, I mean, Rizzo's being presented with two things, right? One is this pitch from Jonathan, which is like, hey, everybody wants this. Not just everybody, but like, I've gotten the go-ahead from Ceree and Tiffany, right? Like, Jonathan, I don't know if we saw him say that, but we have to assume he definitely said that because he said that to Joe, right? He said, like, hey, I have the blessing on this from Ceree and Tiffany over there. So Rizzo's hearing that from Jonathan. He doesn't have any way to check that. And whether or not he believes it, like, that's one thing he's hearing.

[00:32:29] And then he's also hearing from Aubrey, hey, like, Ozzy just is blabbing about all the stuff. She told about the extra vote. She, you know, and, you know, and then Jonathan's also like, hey, I want to do this. And like, it's just on you. And if I am Rizzo here, like, I don't think it's crazy to just be like, well, I don't want to be the one guy to hold this up. I can't touch base with my allies over there. Ozzy's being super messy here.

[00:32:57] You know, the longer Ozzy's in the game, the more attention there is on both idols, including my own idol. And everyone here is down with this plan. Like, Rizzo's whole strategy has been to kind of like play it low. He would have to really step up and say, like, no, I'm keeping Ozzy, which would completely expose his alliance. And so I think this is the right call for Rizzo, given his strategy. But he just has no way to like to check all this info. Yeah. No, it's a tough one for him.

[00:33:26] And I thought about this a lot. Similar lines as you were thinking. But I think I disagree on one point, which is that he does not that he has to be the only guy not doing it. He had an option to essentially secretly tell Ozzy do play your idol tonight. Yes. And he could act. They could agree that he's going to act like he didn't tell him Ozzy just got spooked. Right.

[00:33:50] And that might accomplish a good middle ground of like keeping an ally around, but disarming him and still, you know, getting rid of somebody and not getting any flack on his part. So I thought that was a possibility. I'm not saying that it was a bad move because I was thinking, OK, what are the benefits to Rizzo doing what he did in reality, which is getting Ozzy out? And I think a major benefit, although I wonder if there's a dark side to this, is that now he's the closest person to Sari.

[00:34:20] Right. So like and then if he is able to tell Sari, listen, Ozzy blew his whole game up. Right. And so it doesn't seem like, you know, that Rizzo is unreliable. And because that's sort of the darker side of Sari might be like, what the hell, Rizzo? Why did you vote out? Well, and he might really believe that he got the go ahead, you know, like maybe. Yeah. I feel like every single episode for the last few episodes has been like people coming for Ozzy and Sari deflecting it.

[00:34:45] And so like I've been thinking, I mean, I said last week, like what, you know, how much is she going to have to destroy of her own game to protect Ozzy? Which does sort of make sense if we really believe that Ozzy truly was going to take her to the end. And she doesn't think Christian is, you know, she maybe she doesn't think Stephanie is. And so and then both of those people have said they were not planning to take her to the end. So, you know, she correctly read the situation that, hey, hey, I've got to preserve Ozzy here. He's like the one guy who can actually get me over the finish line and he's planning on it.

[00:35:13] But, you know, if you're Rizzo and you're hearing like, hey, this is God, you know, the Godfather gave the go ahead for this hit. You can't be like, you know, like kind of don't want to like jeopardize everything. I mean, and, you know, maybe that's also why he didn't tip Ozzy off about it. You know, which is that like he thought that Sari had given the OK. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So that is one of the interesting things about this power broker advantage is it creates almost like a game of telephone.

[00:35:38] I mean, Jonathan also could have completely made things up, which like I was saying, if there's an evolution of the strategy here, they don't know if Sari really gave the go ahead. Yeah, it's a tricky one for Rizzo, I think. But I think something revealing is that what he says to Ozzy as Ozzy leaves is he says, you said too much, bro. Yeah. And I think that that might have been a major factor in in his decision is like, well, you're telling people about Sari's advantages and about their alliance.

[00:36:08] Like now I can't trust you as an ally. And maybe again, even hearing, oh, your final two is with Sari, not me. Yes. It's the final three now. But anyway, four. Right. So it's like they can't he's probably not too worried about that. Yeah. Maybe he's worried about sitting next to Sari. Like, honestly, maybe he's worried that Ozzy is actually considering taking Sari to the end. Like Rizzo has to know he can't beat Sari in a final in a final three. So maybe that factors into it, too, where he's like, oh, I didn't think we were like going all the way with this with this trio.

[00:36:37] Like, obviously, you don't take Sari to the final three. Let's talk about Ozzy's exit, because there's a big difference between the way Emily goes out and the way Ozzy goes out. What did you think of this moment? It was very emotional. But where were you? How did you feel about it? I thought it was very emotional. It gave me chills, honestly. I love when somebody takes their exit from Survivor seriously, when they show that they're upset. Because I think it's so easy and common.

[00:37:06] And I did this when I got eliminated to like laugh it off and be like, oh, my God, you guys got me because you're a little bit in shock. And I think I really respect and it's very chilling in a way to watch somebody literally say, this hurts, guys. And nobody can know how this feels. And I feel so betrayed. And I mean, he's an iconic Survivor player. So it has that gravitas.

[00:37:35] It's not like a first time player who's like, oh, I feel betrayed. You can still feel really upset about that. But it's like knowing that this is probably the last time that we'll ever see Ozzy play. And him maybe thinking that in his own mind and feeling like he had the game. He was in a good place in the game, going home with an idol, all these things that are going through his mind. And seeing him be upset was very human.

[00:38:00] And actually, I thought it was a very, the whole episode had, we saw very human side to Ozzy. And then I also just wanted to give Jeff props because Jeff is such a pro as a host. He like knows when to let a moment linger, when to be silent, to let it simmer. And then like, just at the right moment, he's like, snuffs his torch. Like, oh, it's just the perfect, it's so good.

[00:38:31] Like that, it just felt like yummy Survivor. What did you think? Yeah, no, I mean, Gabby, if you went back out, would you like still, knowing you're going home, are you going to be like, it's a TV show. I've got to be, you know, bring my, you know, ferocity, bring my, my hate, my anger. Or are you going to like play it off again? Be like, you got me. Which, which, which way would you go out next time? It depends how you go out. It depends how you go out. If you're, if you, if you're blindsided, I feel like you have the right to be pissed,

[00:38:59] but I don't know. It's so when you're in shock, I think a lot of people don't even know how they're reacting until they want, they watch it back later. And they're like, I didn't remember doing any of that. So I think that's what makes it so like, it was so earnest on the part of Ozzy. Like, I don't actually, I don't think he was acting or being overdramatic. I think he, he was genuinely hurt and was like processing. Like he was slow to speak. He was, he didn't, it wasn't like quick, you know, quips.

[00:39:28] It was like, this was sinking in in real time. Yeah. And I mean, like, you know, more power to him for being able to articulate, you know, this is what makes him such a great reality TV character is that he can say, you guys don't know how painful this is. Like he's able to like articulate these things he's going through and you could really feel just that pain and that betrayal. And I do think some of that was because he really thought that he was winning this game. Like he thought I'm in a great spot.

[00:39:54] He had like pulled this narrative to himself about how this time I'm different. This time I'm Oscar. Yeah. And I really feel like he thought he believed that this was his game to win, which to me is like a very weird idea that you would come in, like thinking like the, you were going to win this game, especially like with, you know, the final nine, there's so much game to play, but I saw it a lot on people on second chance, second chances, second chance.

[00:40:23] But yeah, second chance, just the one. I always say second chances, but I think it's second chance. It's just the one. Yeah. It's only, it was only Jeremy's second chance. But the, but you know, where people, I mean, this was true of Wigglesworth. Like she came into the game, like believing that it was her destiny to win, you know? And maybe that's like a very animating power, like that, that belief. And maybe that's like a useful thing, but I always thought it was wild. That level of, you know, hubris. You and I don't have that, right? That's the thing.

[00:40:53] I've noticed this being in the survivor world. There are two types there. There's more than two types. Some like. It's helpful to give them it two types. There is a big contingent of people who get cast on this show, whether they're first timers or returning players who genuinely believe that they are entitled to win the game and that they will win the game. And I actually have some jealousy of people like that. Like, I'm like, wow. Yeah.

[00:41:18] What a, like you said, animating force that can just propel you through this incredibly difficult thing. Like this, these, this like delusion of your own power. I had basically the opposite. I was like, there's basically no way I'm going to win. What am I doing here? Yeah. And it harmed me when I played because I was underestimating myself and I was assuming that everybody thought, you know, XYZ about me. And so like, they're both like weird delusion, like a lack of self-awareness in a way. And you want to hit the middle zone where you're like, let me not think about the end.

[00:41:48] Let me not make any assumptions. Let me just play the best I can play and try to get to the end because we've seen shocking people win in the end and we've seen fan favorites go home. And I agree. I think it's, I think it's an absolutely wild thing to like be so certain that you're going to win. I am equal parts jealous and like aghast at it because there's so much game left.

[00:42:16] You can feel good about your chances, but it's like, that's an inside thought. Well, speaking of, you know, weird delusions, we have to talk about Ozzy's dream, which has been a powerful force in Survivor in the past. As we, those of us who are, you know, fans of the show may remember in season 23, a dream

[00:42:41] led Ozzy to self-sacrifice and go to the exile or whatever it was, Redemption Island where he took to win every duel. And that's what kept Cochran in the game, right? Was this idea that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even remember this, but I believe you. Yeah. What was that? Like, you know, Ozzy had a dream and woke up saying like, I need to go to the, to the, you know, Redemption Island. And then he like comes, it wins every, like correctly wins every duel and comes back.

[00:43:11] And that was, and here he had a dream where he was greeted by coach and Stephanie at Ponderosa and they say, why did you not play your, you know, why are you here? And they said, cause I forgot to play my idol. And then he wakes up thinking like, I've got to play my idol. And then he doesn't. Wild. So that when, when I saw that scene, him talking about that, I was like, oh, of course, you

[00:43:36] know, they always like to put in little foreshadowing, but like, there's no way like that exact scenario is going to happen. I actually thought it was a weird foreshadowing for like Devin's doing that or something like that. It's like, oh, someone's going to go home with an idol in their pocket. I can't believe that it was, it was the person that had dreamed about it. Yeah. It's very spooky. I, but obviously, you know, I, I don't know. I study psychology. I don't know that much about dreams, the psychology of dreams.

[00:44:03] So don't take any of this as like hard science, but there is something there about your dreams are your subconscious, you know, worries, your, your, your brain is processing things. So even if it's obviously he couldn't have known the future and known he should play it tonight, but his brain was obviously preparing him to think about, Hey, think about when you should play your idol. Don't go home with it in your pocket. It's obviously something that's stressing him out.

[00:44:30] So it's just, it's too bad that he kind of got blindsided by what was supposed to be the easy vote. Um, when you should always feel suspicious of anything that seems too easy. Well, I also think you're right that like part of the, what screwed him here was that maybe he would have played his idol if it were the full tribe together, but you know, he's got this vote where he's like on this crazy stack group of everyone who he perceives to be his allies.

[00:44:58] Rizzo, one of his best allies, Joe, a great ally, you know, Jonathan, who he obviously thinks is an ally. Um, although Jonathan's been advocating to get Ozzy out for a while. Um, and then you, with an obvious target, who's Aubrey, who's been outside of this. She's, you know, the middle. Um, so, you know, it's so straightforward seeming that you can understand why he kind of like loses sight of the danger.

[00:45:21] Um, but we also have to give credit here to Genevieve who gave the Billie Eilish idol to Ozzy because he had been voted out with an idol before and correctly intuits that he, I mean, Genevieve all time, one of the all time games of survivor, you know, for her to have been in the pre-merge here. So true. I thought the same thing. I was like, Genevieve was right. And I wish she was still here because she was saying she was exactly right.

[00:45:51] And we could have seen the Billie Eilish idol work as it was intended. By the way, I listen, I don't know if this has already been discussed on, on an RHAP, uh, piece, but did you see that Billie Eilish has now acknowledged the existence of the idol? Oh yeah. No, I have that to talk about. Let's talk about it now. Um, let's talk about it. So, so we, there's a, there's a video, if you haven't seen it of Amy Poehler on her podcast interviewing Billie Eilish and does Billie Eilish seem enthusiastic about the Billie Eilish immunity idol? Nope.

[00:46:20] Would you, how would you describe this, uh, interview? I would describe it as almost seeming as if she's mocking it, perhaps this, this very real component of a game that yes, we know it's a game, but that actually had consequences on like real people and that fans certainly have a lot of strong opinions in the hands of the fans, which apparently Billie Eilish was one of. So Amy Poehler asks Billie, uh, Oh, whoa, you had something on survivor.

[00:46:50] You were part of this season and Billie laughs at one point rolls her eyes and, and she's like, Oh yeah, I have an idol. And she goes, and I wrote a letter and she does air quotes. She goes, I wrote a letter saying, here's the Billie Eilish idol, blah, blah, blah. First of all, she didn't call it by its full legal government name. The Billie Eilish boomerang idol. Put some respect on it.

[00:47:19] No, the producers of survivor would not have let that pass. If they were in the room, they would have been like, no, no, no. You're going to have to do that one again. Do it again. Say the full name. Yeah. And she, you know, mocks the fact that she wrote this letter that obviously she didn't write, but man, I, people were not happy about that. Can I defend Billie Eilish here for a second? Because I don't think this is necessarily, look, it doesn't look good. The evidence does not look good, but as her counsel, I think that there's a world where Billie Eilish is trying. Now I don't know anything about Billie Eilish.

[00:47:49] I don't even, I could not name a single one of her songs. However, I had the vibe that she was kind of like trying to impress the cool kid. You know, like Amy Poehler here is like the cool kid. She's like, oh, survivor. You like survivor. And Billie Eilish is like, oh yeah, survivor. You know, she's like playing up how over it she is in blase because like Amy Poehler is already laughing about it. And so like, she's just being like, yeah, the Billie Eilish idol, but maybe in her heart of hearts, she thinks it's really cool.

[00:48:19] No, but she didn't seem to know anything about it, which we already suspected, right? People were like, oh, it's just, you know, she's a fan, whatever. They slapped her name on it. But what? Yeah, maybe you're right. But the thing is, Amy Poehler's friends, I assume friends of hers from, from Parks and Rec, Nick Offerman, Adam Scott, they are, they are fans of Survivor. And so I don't think she would poo poo it if Billie had been like, yeah, oh my God, I love Survivor. I asked Jeff if I could be a part of it. I think that would have been cool.

[00:48:46] But yeah, it felt a bit like, you know what my perception is, is that like reality TV is, is like less than in Hollywood. And so it's like, it's not cool to be like, oh, I attached my name to this thing on Survivor. Maybe that's how she's feeling. I actually think things are always going to be cooler when you own it. And if she was like, yeah, you know, I actually mentioned Survivor in a song. And so Jeff knew that I was a big fan and I got to do this cool thing. And that would be so much better.

[00:49:16] Like why act like you don't care about it? And then for Survivor, it's like, don't pick a celebrity that is not, doesn't have their whole heart behind it. Because as much as we complained about the Zach Brown concert, he was a legit fan of Survivor. Yeah. And Fallon too. He's just like super into it. He has Christian on the Tonight Show, you know, to like make up to the fans for having done it wrong. I do wonder if that was in response to social media backlash.

[00:49:42] Like I'm like, how likely was it that everyone's typing on Jimmy Fallon's page, like apologize to Christian. Yeah. Oh, a hundred percent. I mean, there's just like, yeah. But you know, like Adam Scott is 53 years old. Nick Offerman is 55 years old. Billy Ellis is 24 years old. I wonder, you know, it's like, it's so once you get older, you're less, you've less like inhibition about like sharing your like weirdo passions. And maybe, I don't know, like maybe she's like, you know, she feels a little bit less like, you know, you know, like she's still trying to impress. Yeah. That's so true. She's in her twenties. She's not wise.

[00:50:11] Like those of us age 30 and above. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So we'll see. I just, uh, yeah, you know, I'm trying to, uh, the silver lining here. Yeah. The takeaway was Genevieve was right. And Genevieve got screwed by finding two idols. Those two guys are still in the game. Well, no, one of them isn't, but she would have been correct about Ozzy going home. She would have had an idol. All right. Let's get into the most important part of every episode of the know-it-alls.

[00:50:38] It is so on point here. You and Scott St. Pierre. Gosh, you guys are freaking on the button. Thank you, Jess, for incredible producing. Just nailed the cue. Um, so yeah. So let's talk about the fishy candidates today, Gabby. And I've got a few options for you.

[00:51:06] Um, I feel like the obvious one here is Aubrey because we see her take this information that Ozzy gives her, you know, I've got, you know, he spills the beans about all the stuff he's done, the extra vote. Um, you know, I want to take Sarita to the end. This is my game to win. And then goes, we see her going door to door, talking to Joe, talking to Rizzo, you know, spreading it all over the place. And potentially this is what is the deciding factor in Rizzo choosing to vote Ozzy out is

[00:51:35] the fact that, um, you know, Ozzy basically like spread all of his info everywhere. Um, so I think like there's a real case to be made for Aubrey here. Also, Jonathan, I do think Jonathan actually was the deciding factor in Ozzy going home. I don't think, I think without Jonathan here, like Aubrey's info would not have been enough. You know, I don't, it didn't seem to have moved Joe at all. You know, Joe even says to Jonathan, like Aubrey's not trustworthy. Um, Jonathan, I feel like is doing the legwork.

[00:52:03] You know, he's like get, first of all, he gets Sari and Tiffany on board, literally, uh, eight times he went back and forth. He got his steps in, he did his 10,000 steps. Um, you know, he got Sari and Tiffany. So he got like the go ahead right before he makes the move. And even if Sari didn't want it, he still has her like tacit approval. Then he goes over, he like convinces Joe, you know, Joe won't be swayed. So he goes back to Sari and Tiffany. He goes back, you know, he really, it really felt like in this somewhat precarious position,

[00:52:29] he built a consensus to make this big move and then got all, all the key stakeholders to sign on and then got the go ahead with the move. Um, so I do think there's a real case to be made for Jonathan here. Um, Sari, of course, uh, plays her extra vote. You know, she's in danger because of the, you know, the Rick's idol. She plays her extra vote perfectly and ends up saving herself. I mean, by that, by that argument, you could also, you know, give, give me a case for Rick.

[00:52:55] Um, and then of course there is Genevieve as the, uh, dark horse candidate for fishy who correctly guessed that Ozzy would be blindsided with an idol is out of the game already. So it cannot boomerang back to her, but like what a, what a swing and what a, well, you know, knocking it out of the park on her predictions for who, who would, who in this game would, uh, be blindsided with an idol. So where are you on these four to five candidates? Wow.

[00:53:21] First of all, have you ever given like a posthumous, uh, fishy? I've given it to the rain. I gave it to Russell on a season he wasn't on. Like these, these have been all over the place. It's evolved a lot. Like I went back in my day, like there wasn't a theme song for the fish. Yeah. Well, and Rob really likes to keep it buttoned up, you know, he's, but he, Rob's not here so we can go crazy. We could go crazy. Um, well, uh, okay. I, I have thoughts. I would, first of all, love a posthumous fish for Genevieve just because I think that that's funny.

[00:53:51] Um, I have to go with probably one of the first two people you mentioned, which is Aubrey or Jonathan. Um, initially I was going to say Aubrey cause I feel, whoa, she really saved herself and this information leveraged it correctly. Whenever someone saves themselves, I think that is a candidate for, you know, best player of the episode because they, they did the thing they survived. Um, but I hadn't thought about the factor that you said, which was like, it didn't really

[00:54:21] seem to move the needle onto Ozzie until Jonathan did his back and forth. Um, he really, they should have given him like a golf cart or something. You're like exhausted out there and he's walking around in that sand. I'd be so tired. Um, I think it's between what, you know, I also thought Rizzo might be a candidate. Um, so I think honestly, there was so much good gameplay this episode, except for, you know, probably Ozzie was the one that had the weakest gameplay, but there were, there

[00:54:49] were strong candidates across the board. So I don't think you can really go wrong with, with the people that you mentioned. Yeah. My gut is to give it to Aubrey because I do think she took this kind of like, you know, rare little like gift from the universe and was able to like leverage it. I think the fact that she was probably going to go home if she hadn't done this does sort of, I mean, I mean like I also, as an old school survivor player, I really value the people who are like getting the votes together.

[00:55:17] Like to me, that is like the purest survivor virtue is like, can I build, you know, not a person who like plays the idol and like saves themselves. No offense, Rick Devins. Um, but the person who is able to like get the majority to sign on to a vote and like get that vote done. Like to me, that is typically the thing that I applaud. And that is what Jonathan did here. Um, but I also think, Hey, I've given a fish to Jonathan already this season. And I don't think I've given one to Aubrey yet. Um, so I'm inclined to think that really, and Aubrey really did save herself.

[00:55:46] It looked like Rizzo's decision really did come back to Aubrey kind of like taking this information and using it against Aussie. Um, and in a, in a position where she was screwed, like Jonathan really was in a real powerful position here. Yes. Yeah. To save herself. So, um, should we say fishy for Aubrey? I think so. An honorary fishy for Genevieve or making the, you know, taking this big swing, uh, being right.

[00:56:14] Like a guppy, maybe you could have a mini fishy. The guppy! I love that! It's kind of like Gabby! The guppy! The guppy! The guppy! The Gabby! The guppy! There's something there. Yeah. There's something. Yeah. All right. All right, fishy for Aubrey. Congrats, Aubrey! Anything else that you want to say about this episode, Gabby? No, I feel like we covered everything that I wanted to talk about. Um, I'm looking at my notes.

[00:56:42] Uh, the only other thing, uh, that I wanted to say, we briefly touched on Ozzy had, you know, we saw a lot of his humanity, um, this episode. And I, I actually was very touched by him talking about his father. And, um, I had not remembered him saying that specific thing about his father on, on his original season. Um, and I could understand how that maybe weighed on him. Like, oh, why did I paint him in that way? And there's so much more to him.

[00:57:11] And I think that was a real human moment of like, also revealing of what we people who've been on reality TV, you know, we can tend to overthink the things that we've done, but especially more so when it, you feel like it didn't represent something that's important to you in, in the truest light. And so I was happy for him that he got his chance to kind of re honor his father in, in a way that maybe felt more well-rounded, maybe felt more like the message he wanted to leave

[00:57:40] people with. And I, it made me cry. Honestly, I think we saw like how he grew up on the show. He talked about how he grew to be more patient. And I thought it was really fitting and poetic in a way that he said, um, his dad's name is Oscar. And his dad was this gregarious, like such a friendly, wonderful people person. And when, and Ozzy had tried to embody this more social part of Ozzy for this season, calling himself Oscar.

[00:58:08] And at the time when he brought that up, I thought, oh yeah, he's being cute. He's saying, you know, this is the more mature version of me. Little did we know that that was his father's name. And maybe that he found himself representing some parts of his father's best qualities and being more sociable. I just thought that was like such a beautiful homage, whether intentional or unintentional or, you know, just like it speaks to what I love most about reality TV is seeing people's

[00:58:37] vulnerability and seeing people be imperfect and having a chance to redeem yourself. And, uh, it's just really beautiful. And I think that's something that is such a benefit of seeing returning players play so many times is we really see not only Ozzy's growth, but also his, his growth in the, in his relationship or how he's thinking about his father, his relationship with him and what he kind

[00:59:03] of wants to represent, what he's learned from his family and from the show survivor. It's just really a really cool moment that I wanted to mention. That was so beautifully said, Gabby. Um, and Ozzy truly is, I mean, we maybe didn't really dig into it. Like this really, you know, if this is the Swan song for Ozzy, really is a legend of the game. You know, someone who has been on so many of these iconic seasons has so many iconic moments and really created a new mold for survivor players.

[00:59:32] You know, how many people have we seen come out and said they want, they're going to be the new Ozzy, right? Like, or like Ozzy is the person they aspire to. We had Jonathan say that this episode, you know, Malcolm was an Ozzy, you know, I mean, Sebastian was an Ozzy, like Joe was sort of an Ozzy too, you know, Joe Anglin. Um, you know, it really like sort of, he's like kind of become this iconic reality television character. And certainly within the survivor franchise, like one of the legends and greats of the game.

[00:59:59] And even if he's never won, he got really freaking close, you know, one vote away from winning against you all, one of the most dominant players of all time. So, um, you know, truly a great of the game and a great of the franchise. Um, so yeah, that was, that was really beautifully said. Um, anything, where, where can people find you, uh, if, uh, they would like to. On Instagram, Gab Scusi on, on chat BCC and really not that many other places. Yeah, that's all.

[01:00:29] All right. Well, well, uh, this has been such a pleasure, Gabby. Thank you for being here. Uh, Rob Sestranino hobnobbing with the glitterati in New York. Um, and, uh, you know, he will be, I guess, posting the audio or the video, the video of that. I don't know. Sometime soon, whenever, whenever he's ready. Uh, what else, what else we got, Jess, anything else going on here? Oh yeah. Escape. Oh yeah. Hey, I'd love to talk about that. Um, escape, uh, as was published this past week and the United Kingdom.

[01:00:55] So if you are in the UK and I think probably other countries in Europe, like, you know, that have English speaking bookstores, you can now buy escape at your local bookstore. Um, so very exciting. I love this cover for it. It's a little, you know, darker and a little, uh, more, more menacing. Of course, speaking of books that are now available, the tribe and I have spoken Rob Sestranino's beautiful, um, you know, tribute to survivor and, and, and, uh, great, uh, um,

[01:01:22] guide to all the players and the iconic moments, um, is, is now available, uh, in books, in bookstops. It's, I don't know, and, and on, on robisabook.com and, um, really lovely book. It's very funny. There's, there's quotes from, uh, Gabby Piscuzzi in, in the book. Um, so you can see more of us, uh, there, um, as well as like fun, fun little, uh, drawings as well from, um, Sam Bond. So highly recommend it if you are a fan of the show.

[01:01:48] And certainly if you are an hour into, um, a survive, an RHAP podcast, you probably already have ordered this, but if you haven't, it's a great time to do it. You don't even have to pre-order now. You can just order it, uh, is available. Um, what else? Anything else, Jess? Is that it? I wanted to say both books are great. I've read both of them. I finished Steven's book in like three nights. Like it was a page turner. I texted Steven all of my thoughts about it that I really enjoyed it. So if you still haven't read escape, definitely read it.

[01:02:17] Not hashtag, not an ad and Rob's book. I haven't finished, but I've, I've skimmed through it and it is full of such fun stories and great quotes, like quotes that I've never seen before, maybe forgot. Cause it was from a really old interview. So like genuinely like, how cool is it now? I'm, I'm geeking out that like, I, I went from a fan of RHAP and the know-it-alls to like now being here and being like, Oh, both of you read, wrote books and they're both good books and yeah. Very, very cool stuff here.

[01:02:47] Well, if you haven't finished Rob's book, I highly recommend making it to the last chapter, which is really beautiful and very personal from, from Rob. Um, and I guess that's all. Thank you everybody for listening again. The, uh, hobnobbing will be available, uh, soon. And, uh, with that, have a great night. Thank you so much. And thank you Gabby for being here tonight. Bye.