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[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Guys around are about to break it down like they won the game a million times.
[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But actually they really didn't ever win the game at all.
[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Is this intentional? No.
[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, OK, we are back. Survivor 47.
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[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I got something to complain about.
[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to start with a complaint in addition to that terrible song.
[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Screw sorry about that. Ruined the whole survivor season.
[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_04]: When I'm making podcasts, nobody is freaking sharing for me.
[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_04]: You make podcasts and they are talking about you on television.
[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm here making podcasts. No one's saying Stephen is on the podcast.
[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, there it's not fair. It's not right.
[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You're it's such a good point. It's not right.
[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And people eyes are on you, Rob. People need to cheer for Stephen.
[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's such a good point that please, everybody, let's start cheering for Stephen.
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[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: for Stephen Fishback when you subscribe. OK, here's the question.
[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_04]: First of all, I'm very excited about your new branding and like all the new stuff you guys
[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_04]: you're doing. It's very fun. We know scripted.
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[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you do you know when you say we, you know, does that include you?
[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I'm not so sure, you know. OK, you're not the knowingest know-it-all.
[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Not the knowingest know-it-all for sure. Stephen knows survivor.
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[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: John Lovett from earlier today now posted. We'll talk about that.
[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_04]: But I thought he had some great insights into like the game.
[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I really am excited to talk about it. Great.
[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is the place to do it. We're back here live.
[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_02]: First episode of the survivor. Stephen, how was your summer?
[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_04]: It was lovely. It was very hot. You know,
[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_04]: we watch Washington, DC, a lot of a lot of mosquitoes.
[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_04]: But otherwise, it was lovely. Yeah, very nice.
[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_04]: OK. All right. Wednesday nights were a barren wasteland.
[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And then Thursday afternoons, even more barren of a wasteland.
[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, well, we're back and ready to go here on the survivor know-it-alls.
[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And so excited to get back into everything from this two hour premiere of Survivor 47.
[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And Stephen, let's let's jump in. What was your reaction to the whole thing?
[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was a very enjoyable two hours of tell.
[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's a great show, Survivor. You know, it really is.
[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_04]: They do good stuff. Yeah, they do.
[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And I thought it was a very enjoyable premiere.
[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_04]: People are like, oh, this is the best premiere since this.
[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. They're all great.
[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I really enjoy all the rankings, arbitrary and reductive.
[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I was queuing that up for myself.
[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_04]: But no, I really I love I thought it was it was very fun.
[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of characters I would have liked more.
[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Saul, I really like Saul, you know, so, so cute.
[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you've been locked in on Saul from following you on Twitter.
[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You were locked on Saul in the challenge.
[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: What is it about?
[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So you don't have to like do you know him in real life?
[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I just thought, you know, such presence, like when he's like
[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: dragging things and, you know, I love a huge burly dude, you know, like that.
[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_04]: That's true. That is on brand.
[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Branded it.
[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I would have liked to see a little more Tiana.
[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought she was great, too.
[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I enjoyed her and the little we had of her.
[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but overall, it was great.
[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Very fun.
[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, some people were saying there was too much scrambling around for idols.
[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, much like looking.
[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of enjoyed it.
[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I agree with lots of scrambling.
[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But here's the thing about the scrambling for idols.
[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Like the scrambling for idols is where the characterization comes from.
[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_04]: We know that people are going off in twos and threes and they're all saying, oh,
[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_04]: but what is exciting is when there's a real decision point.
[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's when Rome runs away at the water well.
[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_04]: That is a characterizing moment.
[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Or, you know, it's when like Sue is doing the worst job ever of being a lookout.
[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, like looking out like she's really looking out, you know, or like holler.
[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, and like those, you know, the idol hunting, I don't think of just as some random
[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_04]: advantage.
[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like that is the crucible of the relationships or like, you know, the conversation between TK
[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_04]: and Gabe where they're feeling each other out.
[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, there has to be some kind of structure for those relationships to develop.
[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You say the idols are just a backdrop for the camp life.
[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Like that's what is like giving it's like it's a good take.
[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you have to have like a net.
[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_04]: You can't have a court if there was no net in no court, you know, you just feel like
[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_04]: smacking balls around and that's why you never want to be doing that.
[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So, Stephen, let's start off with Jon Lovett here.
[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I thought that Jon Lovett had, I thought a pretty good episode, you know,
[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I was one of the best first boot episodes of all time, I think in terms of just how.
[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So what was your reaction to Jon Lovett?
[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I really I thought he was here for the long haul.
[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I drafted him.
[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that like, okay, he's on all the commercials.
[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I felt pretty good about Jon Lovett coming into Wednesday night.
[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The show aired, you know, an hour, 50 minutes into it.
[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I still was feeling pretty good about Jon Lovett and then the unanimous vote.
[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_04]: He was in so many commercials that I started to wonder like, you know, it's like in token
[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_04]: chains because let me make this about my experience.
[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Every you know, they kept on pulling Sandy for confessionals and we're like, okay, like
[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_04]: they want her while she's here.
[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, they got to like maximize their Sandy.
[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, she didn't go first.
[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, but I mean, there was a good good chance that she might have.
[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So I felt like that, you know, very enjoyable character.
[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought he had some really like very astute, you know, like like when you were in your
[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: interview with him, you know, you pointed out how, you know, quick witted and generous
[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_04]: his response on the mat when Andy called him out was.
[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it was stuff like that.
[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, he had he was able to take these little moments and really, you know, from like
[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_04]: a strategic and character perspective, kind of like turn them into something, you know,
[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_04]: when they could have just been awkward and awful.
[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, he was good.
[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_04]: He seemed to be gelling.
[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I do you think there's any legacy of Jalinski here, Rob?
[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Because, you know, we saw last season this tribe had this decision between do we get rid
[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_04]: of the messy but stronger contestant or do we get rid of, you know, the weaker contestant
[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_04]: who might not help us out in challenges?
[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Ultimately, they chose the weaker to get rid of Jalinski and it was terrible for them.
[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And we talk about what a bad choice it was.
[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_04]: We said as a rule, when you're the tribe and the first person, you know, it is out, you
[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_04]: should you should go for strength.
[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_04]: That was us.
[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you own it, Rob.
[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_04]: It was you.
[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And do you think there was any of that?
[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially because that the second challenge just was such a like challenge that should
[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: have been like in Jalinski's wheelhouse where that it was a challenge that required like
[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: a long wingspan.
[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And so having like a tall person like Jalinski would have really helped them out.
[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, the Jalinski thing was really Q was driving that decision.
[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like more than anybody.
[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that and I could be misremembering, but I feel like that Kenzie and Tiffany, I
[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: think were probably more along the lines of let's hey, let's keep Jalinski around.
[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And Q was the person that was really pushing for him to go.
[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know necessarily if this was like that.
[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, OK, well, we have to make sure we don't lose Andy.
[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It seemed like that there were from the point of Sierra and Sam, they were very much of
[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: like let's keep Andy.
[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it felt like stronger, though, like they wanted to get stronger.
[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.
[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I think like, you know, last season, like that was a big lesson of like, don't you want
[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_04]: you want to keep strength and especially at the at the first boot?
[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess those are all the reasons to to keep Andy.
[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I guess that like we did come away feeling like, OK, well, in if you have
[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_02]: a chance in that first question and I didn't really line up the two seasons like you have.
[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess that's a good point.
[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I just like look at it from the perspective of did John do something wrong?
[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you've definitely made the case for keeping Andy if you want to avoid going back to a
[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: tribal council.
[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that I mean, so this is what I thought was really, you know, I've always thought
[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_04]: of like alliances, especially in the early days, is kind of like like fields of influence,
[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, rather than kind of these like locked in number groups, which they used to be.
[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_04]: They used to be locked in number groups.
[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, I think later in the game they become that.
[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But in the early days, they're kind of like like hazy fields of, you know, you kind of
[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_04]: relationships with everybody and then you sort of have to see where the game goes.
[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And that is basically how he described his experience in the first few days on the beach,
[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_04]: right?
[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Was there were these six people like these groups were jelling, this group was jelling.
[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_04]: But then when Andy has that blow up on the mat, like it's sort of like locks in this
[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_04]: whole form where like there's this John and Andy pair.
[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And like we got to do something like we don't want to be part of that.
[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Like that's not our you know, that is suddenly like locked out of the rest of the alliance
[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_04]: or of the tribe.
[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And so, you know, is there a world where Andy doesn't have that blow up and they can
[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_04]: like there is still that field and they can pull something where they're, you know, voting
[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_04]: out.
[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he said they would have voted out Rachel or I may know he's obviously Anika
[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_04]: was someone to be voted out.
[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_04]: But he also said he had an alliance with Anika.
[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_04]: But anyway, like maybe there's a world where Andy doesn't blow up and you know, there is
[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_04]: still that field.
[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think, you know, even apart from that, it's so hard to know, obviously this he's
[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_04]: just sort of out of luck because if they're if they're staying strong and you know, you
[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_04]: have this group with Sam and the three women on that tribe, you know, they're and they
[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: want to keep the tribe strong.
[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Like there's very little John can do in that.
[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a product of the three tribes.
[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: He's in a bad spot because that he's probably not looked at as one of the most physical
[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_02]: people in the tribe that I just feel like that he probably needs to pivot quicker to
[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: when Andy is throwing him under the bus.
[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's just very hard to do it rather than try to like rehabilitate and he's like,
[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, well, look, you know, good to know that, Andy.
[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I think what he's trying to say is like, like, how dare you?
[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you're going home tonight, buddy.
[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, the only other place where I can see him having maybe done something wrong is right
[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_04]: out of the gate, right?
[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Where, you know, Andy gives this story about how I had like four friends in high school
[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and was like, oh, four friends, you know, like and, you know, really plays up his own
[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_04]: nerdiness.
[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_04]: So that ultimately is something that kind of come back.
[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And of course, like that shtick that we all do in the nerd community, you know, sort of,
[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, in the, you know, make fun of ourselves.
[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_04]: That's our thing.
[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_04]: But like, you know, that's our culture.
[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_04]: But but, you know, that does lock in a perception, right?
[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_04]: When so then when you're talking about like who is the weak link on this tribe, like,
[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_04]: hey, maybe the guy who talks about what a weak link is, maybe that person could be it.
[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, I have a hard time just, you know, piling on that John did something terribly
[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_02]: wrong.
[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm wrong.
[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm more open to say like that maybe did he get a did he get a charitable edit
[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and was there like a like other issues that we weren't seeing in there?
[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that's, you know, that that's possible.
[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But based off of what we saw, it's very hard to nitpick, you know, anything that John did.
[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I agreed with what he had to say about like, hey, I'd rather go out swinging
[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_02]: than just hope for the best.
[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was somebody in the all stars where like I went to a six person tribal council
[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_02]: and hope for the best and it didn't go my way.
[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And I always say I would have rather have gone down, you know, swinging rather than
[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: just hoping that the assurances I got were going to be fine.
[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, obviously there's that question which he raised himself of should I have played
[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_04]: my shot in the dark?
[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he had a really smart answer for it, which was that, you know, can I spoil your
[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_04]: whole interview?
[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_04]: That's fine.
[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_04]: We're just going to step by step through the whole interview.
[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, he talked about, you know, I've got a one in six shot of the shot in the dark
[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_04]: and it felt like a one in six shot that like socially I would be able to pull this off.
[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_04]: So I figured he figured he would just like go out voting basically, which I kind of like,
[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, like this is cool.
[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Like to have like gone out but like never written someone's name down is kind of like
[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_04]: a weird little asterisk.
[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So I do think that I don't think he did anything wrong.
[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I really think that it was just terrible luck.
[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, maybe Andy doesn't have the meltdown and there's, you know, more room to play on
[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_04]: that in that group.
[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I still think there's a very good chance that even if Andy does not have that meltdown,
[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_04]: he still looked on as, you know, a potential weak link in the tribe.
[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_04]: It's hard to say, obviously.
[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, he was great.
[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It's too bad.
[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, maybe they'll bring him back.
[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Even if I want to come back to that in a second.
[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But even in the two hour episode, you know, it was hard because I feel like that, you
[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_02]: know, that the Andy situation sucked so much of the oxygen out of the tribe after it happened.
[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Even like leading up to that, it was a lot of like, what does Rachel think about Andy?
[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, what's Andy experiencing?
[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And then, of course, after the challenge and we saw how John was feeling about the
[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: tribe.
[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think at any point we got what the other player, other than Andy, what are the
[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: other players thinking about John?
[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And so we were sort of like missing that piece of like he John felt like he was doing well,
[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: but we don't necessarily get like, what did Anika think about John?
[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, what did Sam and Sierra think about John?
[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, yes, we never got that like one to one confessional, although it just kind of
[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_04]: seemed like he was, you know, from the story we were told, right?
[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Those four were gelling, right?
[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Sam was the glue guy and like he was like one on one relationships with all the women.
[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, Andy and John were a pair and like they like John.
[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_04]: But he was obviously, you know, he's like kind of kooky older guy, right?
[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, more of like an oddity.
[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_04]: You knew about Vine in your day, you know, that kind of thing.
[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_04]: You know about Vine?
[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, I was working at MTV that when Vine was we were like desperate to figure out
[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_04]: how to like, you know, use the Vine stars.
[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Like we had like, you know, King Bach on our air.
[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Did I say that right?
[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_04]: King Bach, fish and King Bach.
[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I knew of it.
[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I was never really a Vine guy.
[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_04]: We yeah.
[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_04]: So the other thing I thought that was funny that John said that was like an interesting
[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_04]: observation was like in the world of Shots in the Dark, there's always a decoy.
[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And that was even true before Shots in the Dark, right?
[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_04]: But like now it becomes much more necessary.
[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_04]: You have a decoy boot.
[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So like, how do you convince someone to actually vote for the decoy boot when they're saying
[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_04]: they're going to vote for the decoy boot?
[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_04]: So he was like Rachel saying, oh yeah, I'm voting for Andy.
[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Then how do I have a conversation with Rachel where I convince her to vote for Andy when
[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_04]: she's already nominally saying she's voting for Andy?
[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was a very funny.
[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but let's really vote for Andy, OK?
[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: We got to make sure we do it.
[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, so you said could John be a second chance candidate?
[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I would love to get your thoughts on that.
[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Jeff called him in interviews one of the best storytellers, if not the best.
[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's obviously hyperbole.
[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Like he was great in his time.
[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, I mean, Jeff didn't even mention Cochran, you know, or Penner or yeah, I mean,
[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah.
[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So you feel like John for season 50?
[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I would be into it.
[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And I also think like this is why I tweeted that I think he would do a lot better because
[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_04]: all the season 50 contestants, like having been through the media circus a little bit,
[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_04]: will be desperately sucking up to him as influential.
[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Whereas his own tribe had no idea who he was.
[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So they didn't know enough to suck up to him.
[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_04]: They didn't know that Mike White is casting the people from his.
[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, obviously, Mike White is different, but like, you know, maybe on the podcast.
[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, like now I feel like I feel like if John Lovett goes back with a returning
[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_04]: cast, like everyone's going to be John Lovett's fan.
[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But other than the naked ambition of reality TV show contestants,
[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_02]: that do you feel like that there is something that would be different about John playing
[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_02]: a second time than the first time out for him?
[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we saw so little of his game.
[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_04]: It's so hard to say.
[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_04]: He seemed very self-aware.
[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_04]: He seemed able to handle himself extremely intelligently in one on one conversations.
[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought his attempt at like salvaging, you know, saving his own game was decent.
[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_04]: We don't it would be impossible to say he's like some master strategist simply because,
[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, from from the you know, the I don't know, was it even three days?
[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_04]: The day two days he was out there?
[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, something, you know, I thought I tweeted that it would be nice to see him
[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_04]: come back.
[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Someone else said like it would kind of stink because, you know, there's all these people
[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_04]: who are like so desperate for a second chance.
[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, are we really just going to bring back like the most, you know, the famous guy?
[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Because he's famous.
[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not just because he's famous.
[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_04]: He's also like gives good confessionals is self-aware is funny.
[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think there's a lot more there.
[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But also, you know, as you said to him again, one more part of your interview with him.
[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like it brought a lot of attention to the show.
[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Just personally know a lot of people who are who are watching, you know, who watched this
[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_04]: episode, you know, just just to see him.
[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, maybe they watch more than one episode and they become lifelong viewers.
[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: They stick around.
[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they have to watch and just despite the people that took out John Lovett.
[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to see all these people suffer and lose.
[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: They voted out.
[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: They voted up my favorite podcaster.
[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, so all right.
[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: John Lovett.
[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a quick boot for him.
[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder, Stephen, like just in the new era, have we seen a John Lovett type?
[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Not necessarily from the standpoint of like having this resume outside of Survivor, but
[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_02]: in the six person tribe version of Survivor, like have have we seen this person do well?
[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Ha, because I feel like the people that we point to that, OK, the you know,
[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Cochran and David Wright and Mike White, like they all played in the old era.
[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, is Romeo like?
[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: The Romeo is necessarily the same as John Lovett.
[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's a tricky one.
[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'm not and I need to go back and look.
[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, who would be like who is the same is like Charming Charlie's not, you know, like.
[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Charlie's not.
[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_04]: It's such like is Ben Katzmann a John Lovett type like no is what's a John Lovett type like
[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_04]: is Kenzie, you know, I don't know.
[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_04]: What does that mean?
[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I feel like maybe a guy on the tribe who's not necessarily like a physical
[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: presence who's probably going to get by on more of certainly a social game and a strategic game.
[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And like, you know, I feel like Zack Wurtenberger.
[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Carsten, Carsten Garrett is like I mean, we're talking about like nerds that do well.
[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Carsten was final four.
[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Carsten's a good point.
[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah.
[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, what about obviously Basile, my beloved Basile?
[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, is he would that be another one?
[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_04]: John Lovett arc.
[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_04]: OK, so it's possible.
[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a path there.
[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think you just get in with the right group, you know, and you know, I actually
[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_04]: think Carsten is a good analogy for or a good comparison for love it because like he was
[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_04]: someone who succeeded by just being right, like bridging social relationships, bringing
[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_04]: people together, being self-aware and great merch.
[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, those are his paths to success.
[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that for John, I think he had too many eggs in the Andy basket.
[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I think ultimately where OK, that that was going to be his person.
[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And then when Andy thing went sideways, he didn't really have a viable other plan.
[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's talk about Andy.
[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what's your take?
[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_04]: What was your what's your go to?
[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_04]: What's your what was your takeaway?
[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I feel horrible for Andy because I know how much this was a dream of his and how close
[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_02]: he got in previous seasons of getting onto the show.
[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know the exact circumstances of what the issue is that led to him feeling
[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: the way that he did.
[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I feel like that.
[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a doctor and I'm not a psychologist, so I feel like a little out of my depth to
[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: talk about what's going on there.
[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But it seems to me like there's more than just like the normal survivor paranoia.
[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, listen, I have been in that situation and, you know, I when I went out
[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_04]: there for Cambodia again, let's how can I bring this about myself?
[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I was, you know, a thirty five year old TV executive and I'm like, I'm going to go out
[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_04]: there and I'm going to be like confident, you know, team leader of Steven.
[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And that was not what happened.
[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, you do suddenly find yourself like shunted into this other version of yourself.
[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, especially if you're someone like Andy, who clearly seems like they're
[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_04]: really haunted by that version of yourself, that can be a really jarring experience where
[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_04]: like you I mean, you know, you have this expectation of like not just how you'll play, but how
[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_04]: you'll be, how you'll exist, how you interact with other people.
[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And then to find like yourself, like regressing in this way that's like totally out of your
[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_04]: control is very scary.
[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, I have so much empathy for him, you know, for that.
[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think that, you know, I obviously have, you know, I feel terrible for me.
[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I also don't think this is, you know, a game ending moment for him.
[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, everything is so situational, right?
[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Like on Cambodia, I was in a terrible experience with on my first tribe.
[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I was miserable.
[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I got a little, you know, I still got a tribe swap.
[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I was with friends.
[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I started to feel more confident, you know, and I feel like the same thing could happen
[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_04]: to Andy.
[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I tweeted last night.
[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of survivor.
[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_04]: You said buy Andy stock while it's low.
[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I truly like is Andy going to win this game?
[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_04]: It is a long shot.
[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Could Andy do very well?
[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think that, you know, he is someone who could absolutely come back.
[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Like Holly Hoffman had a total breakdown in the early days.
[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, Aubrey allegedly almost quit.
[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if that's like in the show or not.
[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'd heard.
[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, so a lot of people have had, you know, fallen apart in the early days and
[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_04]: then kind of, you know, just when it's all kind of crowding in on you at once.
[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, I mean, Hannah had a ongoing anxiety and was in the final three.
[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, I really think that he has a viable upside.
[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, that said, there was actions that he did that were, you know, whether or not
[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_04]: they're like manifested from the panic or whatever, you know, that were subpar, even
[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_04]: within the realm of someone who's suffering from anxiety.
[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, waking someone up on the first or second night to console you is a pretty,
[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, we saw it last season with Ben and Kenzie.
[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a real bonding thing.
[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_04]: But that was much later in the game.
[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_04]: They were all, they weren't allied, you know, and to pull someone like that in an aggressive
[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_04]: way without considering how they feel about it.
[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And maybe even in spite of them explicitly saying that they don't want to do it, I thought
[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_04]: was pretty, you know, I don't know.
[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, like a little bit socially maladroit.
[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, and again, like you're in a tough situation, you're experiencing these
[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: huge things.
[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Like maybe you're willing to sacrifice, you know, the social niceties to get the consolation
[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_04]: you need, but we can still judge you like for that.
[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, that's still a bad choice within the game of Survivor.
[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_04]: So we can have like empathy for Andy and what he's suffering and also say, you're making
[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_04]: some terrible decisions.
[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, and like even like in the challenge when he was like, you know, Jeff kept on coming
[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_04]: over and like, are you OK?
[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And he was like, I gave everything I had, Jeff.
[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_04]: This is my moment.
[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's like seemed like he wanted like this big like speech moment.
[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And Jeff was like, OK, OK, you're fine.
[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You're fine.
[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And then but I gave it all, Jeff, you know, a little bit of like main character energy,
[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, where he's like, this is this is I struggled and now I'm the I'm the martyr.
[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, that wasn't that was a little subpar too.
[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_02]: To go back to your earlier point about the players that have come back from a situation
[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_02]: like this, I would feel better about Andy's prospects to come back from this.
[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Had John stayed in the tribe?
[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Like if there was some other situation where that John's plan to vote out Anika ends up
[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: coming through and they and that now like there's this calming presence like in the case
[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_02]: of Holly Hoffman, you know, that they showed at least in the episodes that Jimmy Johnson
[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: like gives her like that speech.
[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, do you think is there a person here that could get Andy back, like build him back
[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: up, build it back better?
[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it does seem like, you know, now and especially because they all are obviously
[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_04]: so concerned about their own social places, you know, social positions in the game.
[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Like and Andy has kind of taken on this role.
[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you're exactly right.
[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Like if he was part of a group, you know, but now that he's, you know, so much labeled
[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_04]: the outcast, it could have like a reinforcing effect on him where that's his biggest fear
[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and not only in it's happening, you know, it's not like just, I mean, it really is happening.
[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, I think you swap suddenly there's like new energy.
[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_04]: People are excited.
[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, they're like, oh gosh, we had so we felt so bad for you.
[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: You feel, you know, you're like, oh, you know, I feel like if Andy can make it to a swap,
[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, there is real, real upside for him, you know, and not just to play differently,
[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_04]: but to like be differently, to feel differently about himself.
[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_02]: The rest of the tribe, Steven, do you think that first off, did they make the right decision
[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: to vote out John?
[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah, I think they did actually.
[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I, you know, John had a good point.
[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Let me just steal all my notes from John, you know, that like he's the threat, right?
[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_04]: But Andy's kind of like, he's no longer threatening and he's stronger, you know, or seems to be
[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_04]: physically stronger.
[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So you keep the tribe strong strength and Andy's been like, you know, he's not suddenly
[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_04]: he's like, he's not going to pull something like nobody's going to like jump to the Andy
[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_04]: ship now.
[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, you have someone who's a little bit kind of on the outs, who's like a safe
[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_04]: person to have there and is also bringing tribe strength.
[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's sort of it, right?
[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_04]: What do you think?
[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, probably.
[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it seems like that none of them looked at John as like such a close ally.
[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that was such, I think, a damaging thing for John's game to have the person, OK, here's
[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_02]: like this strong person in the tribe who's my number one ally.
[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm feeling great here in this spot.
[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And then to have that person be sort of like the very squeaky wheel instead of dealing
[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_02]: with Andy, they end up saying, OK, well, let's just OK, we can go through like if this ends
[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_02]: up being a situation that we have to deal with, we can always then next tribal council
[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: take out Andy.
[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, we can move forward and try to go back to tomorrow's immunity challenge
[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_02]: with Andy and have a chance, you know, to make it through to the merge with the four
[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_02]: of us as opposed to.
[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So I do think it was probably the right decision for them.
[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a question for earlier in the episode with Rachel and how she responded to Andy,
[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_04]: right?
[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_04]: We sort of alluded to it, but Gabby had a really funny tweet.
[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess it was something that someone texted to her.
[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's like it's an Andy, will you play with me?
[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And Rachel in the sand and that's crossed out and just says, no, no, you know?
[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think and again, like obviously there's this like we have this example of Ben and
[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Kenzie last season.
[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And so we have so many examples of people expressing their insecurity and looking for consolation
[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and other people giving it to them.
[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And was it wrong of Rachel or was she?
[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it wasn't wrong of Rachel because, you know, I think it was actually like a precedent
[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_02]: of Rachel of to identify of like, oh, OK, if I'm seen as the number one ally of like
[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_02]: one of our two strongest guys on the tribe and he's spiraling, they're not going to get
[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_02]: rid of him.
[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to get rid of me.
[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that she could have been in that John Lovett spot potentially had she
[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_02]: gotten closer to Andy.
[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he has like a it goes where it ultimately went.
[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they say, OK, well, he's actually very strong in the challenges.
[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So let's vote out Rachel.
[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that I mean, again, like it's like people like play so defensively in those
[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_04]: in those early days.
[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And do you know her backstory to that?
[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You know that she was an alternate.
[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she was first survivor 46.
[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: She was out on location.
[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_02]: She went to Fiji.
[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't get on the cast.
[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_02]: She came all the way home.
[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And then to go like the first night and then, you know, here's Andy like like in front of
[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_02]: the whole tribe, like, hey, like, can I talk to you?
[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And like, look, do you know how long and Andy had his own story where he was could have
[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_02]: got close to being on an earlier season, too.
[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But these people work so hard to get here.
[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to make it.
[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to screw this up for me.
[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_04]: On.
[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I get it, like especially like after the first vote vote vote, I think that people,
[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, sort of open up a little bit.
[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And then that kind of progressively goes on until people like, you know, make bigger
[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_04]: plays.
[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Although not Gabe, he doesn't need to open up at all.
[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_04]: He's he's open.
[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_04]: He's he's he's funny.
[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Gabe is open for business.
[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think about Gabe?
[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you know, obviously it was it was nice because it was nuanced.
[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_04]: The first you're like, wow, this guy is really going hard.
[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_04]: He's playing well.
[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you're like a little a little too much with like, you know, running around up
[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_04]: and down.
[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I yeah, I mean, it was fun.
[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I see people who are like there's too much, you know, running around opening boxes.
[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_04]: But I thought I thought the treasure hunts within treasure hunts was was kind of fun
[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_04]: because, you know.
[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't mind it because I think that we were getting story out of it on both the
[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: tribes where I think that these things were so complicated that both of them were making
[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_02]: missteps.
[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Steven, this was a question or a topic of conversation in a lot of the preseason press
[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_02]: of that.
[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Are these idols worth the trouble and also the social costs that it takes to acquire them?
[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_02]: We saw both Gabe and especially Rome, who will get to have to go to great lengths, put
[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_02]: themselves into bad position all for an idol.
[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it worth it?
[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, you know, no, I mean, I don't think so.
[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, part of it is just the fun of it.
[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_04]: You're on Survivor.
[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_04]: You're running around your opening boxes like that's its own part of the experience.
[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Like so that's outside of the question of is it worth it for, you know, in terms of like
[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_04]: your game?
[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Because it is like it is fun, you know, to be doing that.
[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_04]: The I mean, I do think Gabe called it quits at the right point.
[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I think like going for in some ways, I think a three tribal council idol is actually like
[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_04]: better for you than a limitless or final five idol because, you know, you have to use it.
[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_04]: There's pressure to use it.
[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Whereas the final five one, you know, you're like, I'm like waiting for the perfect moment.
[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And well, I was thinking when Gabe had the chance to go for keep the idol that was good
[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_02]: for one tribal council versus the one that was good for three and sure on paper versus
[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: three tribal councils.
[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.
[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_02]: What an advantage.
[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's almost like there's no decision there of like, hey, if I had an idol in my pocket
[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: good for one tribal council, I'm not even I don't even know I'm going to tribal council
[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_02]: tomorrow.
[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So whenever that tribal council is, I could play the game knowing that I have like absolute
[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: immunity at that next tribal council.
[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, I think that could be huge for your game.
[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, you also don't misplay it technically because you have to play it.
[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you have a free life where basically it's like it doesn't matter how bad I screw
[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_02]: this up, no matter what, I'm not going home next.
[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I think that that's is that crazy that that may be in a way more powerful than the
[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_02]: tribal, the idol I have to use at one of the next three tribal councils, which I may
[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_02]: be using at the merge at the point where maybe I don't want to use it in front of everybody.
[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I thought three was a good number.
[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I hear you that one in some ways is is even, you know, as is just the limits make
[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_04]: it better, like easier to use, harder to screw up.
[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought three like and Gabe does seem to be in a good spot on his on his tribe.
[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, he's got his relationship with Sue.
[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, there's Caroline seems to be a part of that.
[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, all the guys seem to gel.
[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_04]: We didn't really I guess do we ever do we know where Tiana is?
[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_02]: No, Tiana and Kyle, I think were very quiet in the premiere.
[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we saw Kyle, TK and Gabe all kind of bro down for a moment.
[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Then obviously there was a little tension between TK and Gabe.
[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I mean, I agree with you that there is a lot to be said for just the time limited
[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_04]: idol like, you know, it's a lot of running around and it does cast suspicion on you.
[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, now TK is worried about Gabe.
[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, now suddenly there's there's tension there.
[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Where do you think this is going for Gabe?
[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think that Gabe is on this trajectory to be like this major player or do you feel
[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_02]: that he's getting a little bit of a buffoonish type at it?
[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Where I because I could see it both ways.
[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I think you could sort of like look at it from either side because I felt like that on the
[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_02]: one hand, like, OK, he's getting these advantages and he and he does have this idol.
[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But on the other hand, you know, he's dropping the boxes and making noise.
[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And we've seen that, you know, Caroline and Sue are also on the side developing their own
[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_02]: thing that isn't necessarily involving Gabe.
[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's interesting.
[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_04]: The I mean, I thought it was good.
[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was really I feel like it was not pure buffoon.
[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_04]: For sure.
[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think there I mean, I think there's like a world where it's like Danny level of,
[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, of gameplay, which is great and super fun.
[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_04]: But I also I kind of got better vibes than that.
[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, we see him right out of the gate creating a bond with Sue and Sue so excited
[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_04]: about that.
[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's, you know, it felt like the story was establishing Gabe as a meaningful player.
[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, most of the relationships on that group we saw through Gabe's perspective, right?
[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_04]: TK and Gabe, we had Sue and Gabe.
[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, we did have the Caroline Sue thing.
[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_04]: But other than that, it really felt like, you know, we had Tiana calling TK out for
[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_04]: throwing paper.
[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_02]: That was funny.
[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That was funny.
[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Steven, what do you think is the likelihood at the end of the season that we are putting
[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Gabe on the new era Mount Rushmore?
[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Is he the one who said that?
[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I don't think it's out of the question.
[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I don't know.
[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a little he came out so hot that typically the players who, you know, I think the players
[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_04]: who have played the best have really developed over.
[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's like a fine wine, right?
[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You want to be the fine wine of players, not the like, you know, champagne spray in the
[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_04]: face.
[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I.
[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Steven, who is going to go home from this tribal council or from this tribe if they
[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_02]: go to tribal council?
[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, do we have a sense yet?
[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Unfortunately, to your point, we haven't seen relationships for Kyle or Tiana.
[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they both seem like they're good parts of the tribe, but you know, those are the
[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_04]: only ones we don't see.
[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_02]: This is feeling like to me, this is the tribe that doesn't go to tribal council.
[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think so, too.
[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I think this is like this is like the main character tribe.
[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_04]: In the sort of actual sense of the show.
[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it is the blue tribe in the yellow tribal.
[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Is this deliberate, Rob?
[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_04]: How deliberate is this?
[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the blue tribe, I don't know.
[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_02]: They put the buff on and they can't lose.
[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And the yellow tribe puts the buff on.
[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_02]: They can't win.
[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Who's the glue guy?
[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Speaking of the yellow tribe, who's the glue guy in the world where that person is there
[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_04]: and now the party, you know, now, you know, the whole Mike Bloom, Mike Bloom's a guy.
[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was gonna say Mike Bloom.
[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Chappelle was my other one.
[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_04]: But like I was gonna Mike Bloom and it was sort of my first go to as well.
[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Put him on any panel instantly better.
[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody gets along.
[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody like I never have gotten one text over the years like, hey, anyway, any chance I
[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: could not be on a podcast with Mike Bloom?
[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Are people saying that about other people?
[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: No.
[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Me?
[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_02]: No, definitely not.
[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Who else?
[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Who else were you even on a podcast with?
[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm with Mike Bloom.
[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just me.
[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Just me.
[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So absolutely.
[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_02]: He'd be a great, a great glue guy.
[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But speaking of the RHAP podcasters, Stephen.
[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_02]: We had we had our very own Asia Welch.
[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_04]: What a start.
[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_04]: What a great beginning for Asia.
[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And it was great.
[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_04]: It was all wonderful.
[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, really amazing in the very first challenge.
[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, she mentions Rob as a podcast on air.
[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, surely she gets a promotion for that, right?
[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Senior podcaster now.
[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Asia Welch.
[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, it just like seemed to be in a great spot on her tribe, you know, recognized by
[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Tini, which I thought was funny that nobody recognized John Lovett.
[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, he did get recognized and which worked out great for her.
[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Like Tini was like, OK, we can't create an alliance without Asia.
[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Stephen, I feel like that we've really turned a corner where I was worried about
[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Asia, that she was somebody who like, oh, if they find out like, oh, don't tell them
[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_02]: you're a fan.
[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't tell them like there was a time and a place of if people thought you were a survivor
[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_02]: podcaster, you're old enough to remember like what this guy podcasts about survivor.
[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_04]: More than remember.
[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_04]: We hate this guy.
[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Can you believe it?
[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Vote him out.
[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was great.
[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_04]: It was really fun.
[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I have to say I was very nervous when she went on.
[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the what are we calling it?
[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_04]: That treasure hunt?
[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was like the new sweat and savvy.
[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but it was not, you know, and I thought that was not a great decision, you know, and
[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought because, you know, if you come home, even if you if you come home with nothing,
[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_04]: everyone's going to be like, what does she really have?
[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And if even if you come home with the thing, people are going to think, what did they really
[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_04]: do?
[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, and so I was worried for her, but I was wrong.
[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I was totally wrong.
[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, immediately integrates herself into the group.
[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, Rome, who is the guy who's kind of like snickering about her going away?
[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_04]: She ends up targeting him really kind of almost like the leader of that group, where she's
[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_04]: the one kind of pointing.
[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she very quickly came back into like a leadership position and people like can
[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_02]: sense like who's got the leader vibes and who doesn't.
[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, teeny like said, let's let's just save a spot for her when she comes back
[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and she does take this role as sort of like leading the witch hunt going around looking
[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_02]: for Rome.
[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So let's stay on Asia for a second.
[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_02]: The new sweat and savvy, upgrade or downgrade?
[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I thought it was fun.
[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you can only do it once, right?
[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, but I thought it was a really fun way of doing it.
[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a it was different.
[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_04]: It was visual.
[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, obviously it was a very fun moment when they both were like, where am I?
[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_04]: How do I get back?
[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And they're both, you know, just had to forge their own paths.
[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And then there's a little bit of a of a wrestling match at the end.
[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_04]: A little bit.
[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, what do you think in terms of the volunteering?
[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you think that's the right move or the wrong move to volunteer to go on?
[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think it was a great spot, but I do think that it certainly is like there's
[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_02]: more to be to gain out of that than sweat versus savvy, where I think that's sort of
[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_02]: and I don't know how long Asia is gone for, but the sweat versus savvy, like sort of like
[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_02]: the risk reward there is like, hey, Stephen, all right, we've got sweat.
[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So how about this?
[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Me and you, like, let's let's like bust our ass for the next six, seven hours, completely
[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_02]: gas ourselves for the next immunity challenge with the chance that we might be the heroes
[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: for our tribe here.
[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you have this situation where, OK, I got a 50 50 shot of coming back as like and
[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: neither of them had to like overexert themselves.
[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I think that Jelinski, you said he was a game changer for like like him not being
[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_02]: there.
[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But I do wonder if him breaking the hourglass is like like look that what are we doing this
[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_02]: for?
[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's a little bit like yeah, it's a good point of, you know, why why should a
[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: player kill themselves for, you know, just to get the the flint and the pot?
[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to get it eventually.
[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You're probably going to lose immunity because your team ultimately ends up being so gassed
[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_02]: from doing that.
[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is like, you know, something that's a little bit I'm sure it is was strenuous
[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_02]: on TK in Asia, but it's not something that is going to totally like wipe them out.
[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And they got a 50 50 chance to come home the hero.
[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, it was it was fun and right.
[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And nobody nobody was that didn't end up really affecting either of them.
[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, but you do wonder if Tini hadn't been there like this could could have
[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_04]: been.
[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, but again, like she did such a great job of immediately integrating.
[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it would have taken longer.
[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the teeny sort of like sped up the process.
[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_02]: She got like a fast pass back into the tribe because the teeny as opposed to it would have
[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_02]: taken maybe another day or two to sort of like reintegrate.
[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But OK, Rome was the person who was on the idle hunt here on this tribe.
[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, it's interesting that, you know, I think it's about 45.
[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was similar where it's not necessary to buy 46 to that the way one tribe finds
[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: an idol is not necessarily how the other tribe finds.
[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I like it.
[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_04]: What do you think about the disappearing ink?
[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_04]: That's fun.
[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I was worried it wasn't going to disappear.
[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that's what they were going to come on it.
[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was going to say, you know, go to the water well.
[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I was worried that they were going to come over and then find Rome sticking out
[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_02]: of the well.
[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Like just like his legs in the air.
[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_02]: What a moment.
[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You know who loved that moment?
[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Josh Wiggler.
[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Josh Wiggler did and Matt Locke.
[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So all right.
[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Can Rome work his way back into things, Stephen?
[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, why not?
[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure.
[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's you know, yeah, why not?
[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, when somebody and maybe you could speak to this like has like the stigma of OK, being
[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_02]: the idol hunt person, like how do they shake that eventually?
[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, in this in this era, everybody else gets an idol eventually.
[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And so, you know, to some advantage, you know, they're all they'll get an advantage.
[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And then, well, it doesn't really not a big deal.
[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Or they burn the idol or they bring people in with the idol or just over time.
[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_04]: It kind of, you know, goes away.
[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they play the idol, right?
[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And they play correctly and they save themselves.
[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And then suddenly, you know, there's they've got the the the vibes.
[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah.
[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when push comes to shove, like if Rome does end up having the idol, OK, now
[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_02]: you have to go to tribal council.
[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Now what do you do?
[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we play it.
[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I guess if you're the target, you play.
[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_02]: If he shows up at tribal council, he's wearing the idol around his neck.
[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, now you have a situation.
[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Again, it's hard because it does.
[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I do think those early you can get out from under that.
[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I think those early alliances used to be somewhat rigid.
[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, let's make the alliance on day one because that's what's going to last
[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_04]: for all thirty nine days.
[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Now I don't I mean, that's not that's not the case anymore.
[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_04]: That's just like not how it how it works.
[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, there are some examples of that, but I think there are fewer and farther between
[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_04]: in this new era.
[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that in the new era, like I think it's very much like the Sandra era of
[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_02]: like just like just anything to get through these early votes.
[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And then and then it all it all switches up and maybe right.
[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Didn't they like forget that Carla might have an idol or something in 40?
[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Whatever.
[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_04]: That was the story.
[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_02]: They said that they just stopped thinking about it.
[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is like, you know, kind of funny.
[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_04]: But as crazy as that sounds, I do think there's like something there where, you know, of course,
[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_04]: like you think everybody could have an idol like that.
[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_04]: You're always like factoring that into your calculations and like the the urgency of that
[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_04]: guy's off doing that thing, you know, gets replaced with other like more immediate issues.
[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The biggest thing for Rome is I think that he needs Andy to not settle in.
[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I feel like if that ends up being where, OK, so the yellow tribe can go back to tribal
[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_02]: council by a little bit more time.
[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Even if he has the idol, I think that that it's there are still paths for Rome.
[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.
[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_02]: What else from the premiere, Stephen?
[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_04]: A worm eating Rob, where do you stand on that?
[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that people are just doing it just to do it.
[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really think that there's how many worms do you have to eat to get that nutritional
[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_02]: value?
[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that people are sort of just like it's like their own fraternity hazing of like,
[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_02]: hey, you're not a survivor until you eat the worm.
[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I did it in token genes.
[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I ate like the giant termite queen or whatever that was.
[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And it was like because I had seen, you know, Jolanda do it in Palau.
[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, that's like such a survivor moment.
[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And what JT said at the time, very smart man, you know, I would eat a whole plate of termites,
[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_04]: but I'm not going to eat one termite.
[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_04]: OK.
[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know, it's like if I'm getting if it's like sustenance, then, yeah, I'll do
[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_04]: that.
[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm not going to like people do it just to do it.
[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's really anything to and then more people will do it because they saw
[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_02]: was Genevieve did it?
[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So it ends up being a, you know, self-fulfilling cycle.
[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But you don't eat the scorpion.
[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Won't eat the scorpion.
[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have to worry about that.
[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I will not.
[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, Mike, Mike, in season 30, he ate the scorpion.
[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_02]: He did.
[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.
[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Steven, earlier this week you were hopping mad that Survivor got snubbed again at the
[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Emmys.
[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It is crazy, Rob.
[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_04]: First of all, I mean, it's just like unquestionably the best reality show.
[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And for it to not get even like not not only not get nominated, but to have literally never
[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_04]: won.
[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, to be fair, the reality TV Emmy did not start until like, you know, after Survivor
[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_04]: was, you know, the initial glow had worn off a little bit.
[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's still the best show.
[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you look at these freaking shows that are nominating the traitors.
[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_04]: OK, people love the traitors, but it's not Survivor.
[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know what?
[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm I guess I'm a little jaded on these award shows.
[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that.
[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And again, tell me if this is if I'm tell me to walk it back if I'm like treading into
[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_02]: like way too hot take territory.
[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the people that vote on these shows, nobody's even watching the thing.
[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's all buzz.
[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's all hype that people are just like like you tell me that many people like have seen
[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_02]: every single Emmy voter like watch the bear.
[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_02]: They love every second of the bear.
[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_02]: All these other shows that you never like most of these shows have like 200 viewers.
[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You never even heard of them.
[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, I like this person on this other thing.
[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So they should win the Emmy for this.
[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody's watching all these shows.
[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_04]: It just I hear you like doesn't award really matter.
[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_04]: No, it still feels like a little bit of a snub.
[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Never, never.
[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Steven.
[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Should we take some questions from the we got questions from the chat?
[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I got questions from the Robbins podcast, patron Facebook group patrons.
[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be live tomorrow at 3 p.m. to take your questions live.
[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll send out the link for the patrons.
[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, Jen Gonzalez has a great question.
[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Wants to know why did it take Asia only one episode to shout out Rob as a podcast?
[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yet Steven never mentioned it in 29 days in Cambodia.
[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_04]: What the hell?
[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think the expletives I always included when I said your name where they couldn't.
[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a family show that forking Rob.
[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_04]: They don't like they don't like cutlery on Survivor.
[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a hands eating show.
[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I did talk about actually being a podcaster back then quite a bit, of course.
[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And they just never included it.
[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.
[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_04]: They've become much more comfortable with being.
[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, as someone noted, I think Mike Bloom, the glue, the glue guy, Mike Bloom guy noted
[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_04]: that this was like the first ever experience of Survivor merch, Survivor contestant merch
[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_04]: on Survivor with when in Asia's introduction, when they panned to her jam jam shirt.
[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_02]: OK. All right.
[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see if OK.
[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Haley wants to know what will baby Andy have to do to come back from this?
[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Will his tribe always see him as a wild card and keep him around for challenges and cut him
[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_02]: when they get close to the marriage?
[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a way for him to reintegrate back to the tribe?
[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think, Steven?
[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a plan for baby Andy?
[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a good question.
[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And I really just think that it's being like finding people he gels with more.
[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think that and I also think that like I was saying earlier,
[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_04]: like the very fact of a swap or whatever, like creates art.
[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like artificial gel.
[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you're like so excited to meet people and you're like, oh.
[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think, you know, Andy is the fact that he's so obviously the outcast of his group
[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_04]: will make everyone other people are going to want him.
[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, other groups are going to want him.
[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_04]: How did like Holly come back?
[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, they just found their communities, right?
[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, how did you?
[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I'm glad you brought communities.
[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I just think that Holly like settled in and, you know,
[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_02]: in the show they give Jimmy Johnson the credit for it.
[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And Holly Hoffman has become like a motivational speaker.
[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she even herself will say like, you know, Jimmy Johnson like gave her a pep talk.
[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And then that was the thing that she sort of just like started to feel more comfortable
[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and then was in a different headspace.
[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So for Andy, yeah, he definitely needs like a beat to catch his breath.
[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe he can sort of find himself a little bit more.
[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I just think that the issue is I don't see somebody on the tribe who's going to be there
[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_02]: to like help him through this.
[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, and you're right, like having that one person give you the motivational pep talk,
[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, that can like just someone showing that they that they believe in you.
[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, obviously, Aubrey developed such a great relationship with Joe.
[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And it doesn't look like like Andy has that person.
[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_04]: It's so hard.
[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_04]: It's so hard to feel so isolated, you know, when you literally know everyone is out to
[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_04]: get you, you know, and you don't even have the sort of like false consolation of like,
[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_04]: like, you know, pretend friendship.
[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And I really my heart goes out to him.
[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So the other thing for God to be worried about, and I was making this comparison on the podcast
[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_02]: last night was, you know, yet Gabler, who in season 43, you know, that he is like a
[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_02]: little bit of like the outcast and he's like doing weird stuff and he's putting pom fronds
[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_02]: on people when they're sleeping.
[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And then but it's sort of like an unaddressed situation through the rest of that.
[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't go back to another tribal council and they get to the merge.
[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he's the first one ready to like throw Ellie under the bus and flip against
[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_02]: his old tribe.
[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's another thing to worry about.
[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, OK, if the Andy situation doesn't come to a head, he's a flip candidate.
[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, for sure.
[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, like more than a candidate, right?
[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_04]: He's almost like a flip certainty, I think at this point.
[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_04]: But again, like and like can the flipper win?
[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't Andy win, Rob.
[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Answer me that.
[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's only day three.
[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll say yes.
[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yes, exactly.
[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_04]: It's only day three.
[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Who knows?
[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, like, you know, what a story to say.
[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I was the guy who, you know, was having an anxiety attack or a medical issue.
[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_04]: What do you think?
[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Medical issue or anxiety attack?
[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Um.
[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Combination.
[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was probably a medical situation of overexertion, which then and again, this is,
[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, me speaking as a podcaster, not a doctor.
[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that that the two things just worked off of each other.
[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Exacerbated the situation.
[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And now look now, you know, look at me now.
[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And so, like, you know, I think we can say like, hey, you made some of our choices.
[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_04]: That's our job here.
[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_04]: That's that's what that's what you know, why we sign up and why we get up in the morning
[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_04]: is to know it all, you know, within that.
[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_04]: For sure.
[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_04]: But like also have a lot of, you know, empathy for him and hope for his future.
[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.
[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And my God, I mean, you know, it's it's a state like you said, one episode.
[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.
[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Daniel wants to know Fishback as the JT expert.
[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Does Kyle remind you of your old pal?
[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Not enough yet.
[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_04]: You haven't seen enough of Kyle to get the thank you.
[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_04]: That's actually what on my on my resume.
[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_04]: JT experts.
[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_04]: It hasn't really gotten me a lot of jobs.
[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Not yet.
[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_04]: But at JT Inc., you know, when I finally apply there, that's going to be, you know,
[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like that's going to be real relevant work experience.
[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.
[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Rachel wants to know, should John Lovett have employed the Mike White strategy for
[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_02]: the rich and famous pretending he was just there to have fun?
[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think that I mean, that is definitely a good move and just be like, you know,
[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't need this, you know, but but.
[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's a little bit different when you're Mike White, right?
[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Someone that people recognize from the movies, you know, to be like, you know, obviously
[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_04]: he's extremely successful, but like they don't necessarily have that sense of him as
[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_04]: being a really successful person.
[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like I guess how many people from his tribe recognize like maybe they knew
[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_02]: his oeuvre, right?
[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_04]: It sounds like someone said, oh, I think I've heard of Pod Save America.
[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I've done a Mike White.
[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, always a dangerous territory for me.
[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I felt like people knew him.
[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, you know, like School of Rock, right?
[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Like everybody knows him from School of Rock.
[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.
[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_02]: How about a question from Nathan who says, we saw Andy spiral into self-doubt in a messy
[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_02]: way, very relatable for Nathan, he said.
[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But actually that do you think it was actually John that had more self-sabotage?
[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm 41, I'm old now.
[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_02]: He says I'm struggling to fit in.
[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Did he just land on a tribe he couldn't connect with and then have issues connecting because
[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_02]: he was overthinking it?
[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't think so.
[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't think it didn't look like he did have issues connecting.
[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I got the sense that that was like more shtick, you know, than anything like he seemed to
[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_04]: be pretty at ease, you know, for someone who was constantly saying, I mean, I think that
[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_04]: was the difference, right?
[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_04]: John is someone who is obviously like used to making fun of himself and seemed very at
[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_04]: ease in that world, whereas with Andy, it felt more precarious, right?
[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Like he couldn't, you know, he did the self-mockery was not like felt like it might actually
[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_04]: challenge, like shake his sense of self a little bit.
[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, that ended up being difficult for him because, you know, and John's older
[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_04]: than him, right?
[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You have more time to like be comfortable with your own ridiculousness as you get older.
[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, Justin has an interesting question.
[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_02]: In the past three seasons, we've had two quits with Hannah and Sean, one person who
[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_02]: was ready to go in Jess.
[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_02]: We've had epic pre-merge flame outs.
[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything that we can point to that might be the causing so many of these early
[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_02]: issues?
[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the game getting harder?
[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Has casting even more devoted super fans made it inevitable that the pressure to perform
[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_02]: well will take its toll with devastating consequences at least one time a season?
[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know what I think, Rob, which is that, you know, more handsome athletes we
[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_04]: have, the less we're going to see this.
[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, I just want beautiful athletes, super cocky, you know, type A Adonises and
[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Donets.
[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think actually I do think I mean, I do think like, you know, bringing in more
[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_04]: regular people who, you know, are not, you know, delusional and cocky and or self-confident
[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_04]: even, you know, then again, like the game is very, very, very stressful.
[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, suddenly it it magnifies.
[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And then again, like what you're talking about with these people, these super fans
[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_04]: who have been applying for years and years and years and getting so close and then it's
[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_04]: finally here.
[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I applied in four months was on the show and I couldn't believe how much pressure
[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I'd put on myself.
[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Like to have been doing it for four years.
[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it just is like it's like there'll be so much pressure to have to deal with.
[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And especially if it's not going exactly as you imagined it and you even think like, you
[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_04]: know, it could be really badly.
[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Like how are you not melting down in that situation?
[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the show preparing its viewers enough for how hard it ultimately is when you get out
[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: there?
[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: We know we hear about it, but I think there's a thought of like, well, 26 days, come on.
[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_02]: This isn't this is not like it used to be.
[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And are people like not necessarily in the right headspace for it?
[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I just think you can never, you know, you can't imagine you just don't know.
[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you don't know what it's going to be like until you're really in it.
[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just there's no there's nothing that anyone can say, you know, to like communicate
[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_04]: what it feels like to sit even apart from the elements to sit for a day knowing other
[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_04]: people are talking badly about you and, you know, I mean, like I got I remember like in
[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Cambodia when I like I saw people go off and they were talking about me.
[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I knew they were like literally knew they're talking about because they were OK,
[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to talk to Tasha about you, you know, like and I was like, OK, like and you
[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_04]: know it's bad strategy to go in and intrude, but you just have to like watch it happen
[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_04]: and there's nothing you can do about it.
[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And your whole fate in front of 14 million people is going to be dependent on it.
[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, like that experience alone, apart from the elements, apart from like the bugs
[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and the malnutrition, like is so intense.
[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, there's just no and there's no way you can you can, you know.
[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's not even the physical conditions.
[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying.
[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_04]: There's like that's what I'm saying.
[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like that's that's the least of it, you know, in terms of deprivation.
[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_04]: So and for someone to anticipate it and dream about it and work so hard for it and then
[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_04]: to feel like, you know, they're powerless as it's slipping away from them like that's
[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_04]: that's got to take a toll.
[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, all right.
[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Steven, Ryan Irwin said which of the purple players could be a huge threat?
[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Genevieve, Saul, Kyle, Caroline, Caroline or Keyshawn?
[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, I love Saul.
[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You love Saul.
[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Talk him through with me for me that it's just that he's like you think that he's like a specimen.
[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he's just like a super burly, strong person.
[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_04]: He seemed very at ease.
[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_04]: He's an interesting guy.
[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_02]: If you check out his preseason interviews, I believe he's like a deep brain.
[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to remember what the right word was, but he like I don't know.
[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_02]: He works with people's brains, not like not like David Vaught.
[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he like works on like like deep thinking or something like that.
[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_04]: He seemed like totally at ease.
[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_04]: He was, you know, the little we saw.
[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I just like his vibe.
[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I thought Genevieve was good.
[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_04]: They're all good.
[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, they all seem good.
[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you know, honestly, like Kyle, you know, I love a country boy, too.
[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_04]: To me, seemed the least at ease slightly just from the very, very, very little we got of him.
[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I thought Genevieve seemed good.
[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, they all seem good.
[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_04]: How can you have an opinion?
[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Steven, you are a master of the edit reading.
[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you feel like after night one that you have a leader in the clubhouse?
[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_04]: No.
[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_04]: What about you?
[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not the same anymore, right?
[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, could you have picked D from the premiere of, you know,
[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_04]: D was probably one of the most obvious winners of the whole new era, right?
[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And could you could you have picture you certainly could not have picked Marianne
[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_04]: as winning that season.
[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But Marianne did a lot of screen time, certainly in the premiere.
[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But it was so OTT.
[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_04]: There was no CP.
[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'm sure an edgy person is going to be like, you idiot.
[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't like to know like that.
[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I like to hear what you think, but that's probably like as far as I like to go into the pool.
[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_04]: One comment that Sam was getting a very Michelle Fitzgerald edit, which I kind of agree with,
[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_04]: is someone who was positioned as being in the middle of a lot of different things.
[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, we saw a lot again, like a lot from Sam's point of view, maybe disproportionate.
[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_04]: The whole thing about him being the glue guy, you know, did we like not really relevant to the story?
[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, so like if I I just don't I don't want to be that I really get in trouble because
[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_04]: people are going to, you know, but he was someone else made the very smart observation that it could
[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_04]: be, you know, could be him just just in terms of like edit, you know, how much they're getting
[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_04]: in terms of personal content versus that was always the benchmark back in the day.
[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that's true anymore.
[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Back in the day, it's like if you're getting like a story about how you're a teacher or
[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_04]: how you design furniture and that's going to be great for your game, you know, you've won.
[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But now we get that for a lot of people.
[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.
[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, Stephen, we're back.
[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Was there anything else you had from episode number one?
[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: That's fun.
[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I feel like I feel like it's a...
[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Memorable premiere.
[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I also think like the show's relaxed.
[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I have some friends who are kind of new to Survivor, and so I've been recommending them
[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_04]: seasons.
[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And they said they wanted to watch something new.
[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I think I mean, so they were like, oh, so we're watching season 39.
[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, I don't even know what that is.
[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_04]: But but then they I recommended, you know, they wanted to get into the new era.
[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So I said 42 is a fun one, you know, and then, you know, just skip 41 basically.
[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And they're like, what on earth is going on with this game?
[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, Jeff is like so antic.
[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a zillion things every episode.
[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a new thing.
[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody knows what to do with it.
[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't feel like the game has had a nice kind of rhythm now or, you know, there's the
[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_04]: things.
[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_04]: But but it's, you know, a lot more characterization around.
[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Decent place right now.
[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, Stephen, the chat is reminding us you didn't give out your coveted fishy award.
[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, Sam, are we going to make an award for the fishy award winner so that the recipient?
[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we did last season, but every week I had to say, are we are we doing it again?
[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, is he is he responding?
[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying I don't know.
[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That's my leadership style, Stephen.
[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And I have to say, remember when we said we were going to do the thing?
[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Are we doing this, Sam?
[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: So here's my candidates and I want your your input here.
[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_04]: OK, I think, you know, obviously, Asia's got to be in the mix, just, you know, hometown
[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_04]: hero for sure.
[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think she did a great job.
[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But we can't just be like blatant.
[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_02]: No, Homer is no.
[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And we're not going to know this is this is, you know, did a great job making her supreme,
[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_04]: putting herself in a great position in her group.
[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: She is the one the person who was pointing at her.
[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: She ends up making into the target in the Yellow Tribe.
[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_04]: In Godot, we've got I think Sam has got to be a contender for being the glue person.
[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, maybe Rachel as someone who was able to avoid the stink of an alliance with
[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Andy and then ends up, you know, also being sort of in that in that dominant vote.
[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And I mean, you know, could it be Gabe?
[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But there's like you said, it's a mixed edit.
[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, TK had a very good night in terms of, you know, kind of reading people correctly.
[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But I would say I would boil it down to those three.
[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Sam, see Rachel.
[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you interested to know who I said last night or you or you want to give me is a good
[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_02]: choice to that was the person that I said was I thought was deserving of consideration.
[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Really?
[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And why?
[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Give me give me the case.
[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I just feel like the teeny to me was a player that was in a similar spot to John Lovett,
[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: that if they go to an early tribal council, that's where teeny could have an issue.
[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But if teeny gets to the merge, watch out.
[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And to me, teeny looks like they're in a great position at this moment.
[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And to come in after like I never expected teeny to be, you know, at the like that high
[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_02]: up in the like where teeny is seemingly working well with everybody, not really in consideration
[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: to go home.
[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I feel like at this point, you know, if teeny gets to the merge, they're going there.
[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: When are they going after teeny after the merge?
[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: There's going to be all these big targets that are going to be the big threats.
[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the time of the game where teeny is in the most danger and teeny is doing great.
[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And teeny was the one to kind of like, you know, create the form of that alliance.
[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_04]: When there was a conversation with who is it?
[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Who were they talking to when when they kind of formed the sort of structure of I like
[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_04]: this person and that person?
[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, let's let's give it to teeny.
[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a fan of that.
[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_04]: OK.
[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So congratulations.
[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Very convincing, Rob.
[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: To teeny winner of the first fishy of Survivor 47.
[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.
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[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what's coming up for you?
[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, I told you the big news for me was that, like, you know, my my literary
[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_04]: agent is just I just finished his edits on my novel and I'm so I'm going out to editors
[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_04]: like two days ago.
[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_04]: He sent it out to editors.
[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_04]: So hopefully, you know, God willing, I'll have a book deal soon.
[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm really excited about that.
[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Incredible news.
[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm working on this novel for so effing long.
[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's amazing to be, you know, at this.
[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you know, there's still more to be done, but hopefully it'll be out in a year
[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_04]: or so.
[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.
[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Steven, congratulations on that.
[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody, thank you so much for joining us back again for the Survivor Know It Alls.
[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Steven is going to be on sabbatical next week, but we've got a great fill in host lined up
[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_02]: for you as a special time for 30.
[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Sam, am I allowed to say who's filling in for Steven next week or is that a secret?
[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, let me know.
[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I never know if we're allowed to what we're allowed to say.
[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like you're the boss.
[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm the boss, but it's like, oh, no, sometimes it's like, oh, well, they weren't confirmed
[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: yet.
[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, so I don't know.
[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_04]: President can break confidentiality.
[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I don't want to overpromise.
[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to say that.
[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And then people are going, oh, what did you said?
[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You said that this person was going to be a Mary Ann Okich is going to be with me.
[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Next Thursday for the Survivor Know It Alls.
[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So join us at 430 for that.
[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I won't be here, because Mary Ann will have, you know, consumed me.
[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: She will have eaten you.
[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.
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