Know-It-Alls: Survivor 47 Finale

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[00:01:06] The smartest guys around

[00:01:08] Are about to break it down

[00:01:12] Like they've won

[00:01:13] The game a million times

[00:01:19] Well, actually they didn't really win the game at all

[00:01:24] Survivor Know-It-Alls

[00:01:48] That's right.

[00:01:49] The Survivor Know-It-Alls are back after the Survivor 47 finale.

[00:01:55] Steven, how are you?

[00:01:57] I'm good.

[00:01:58] Very exciting day.

[00:02:00] Rachel, the winner.

[00:02:02] Yes.

[00:02:02] Mike Holloway and Ben Dreebergen's reputation being redeemed on social media.

[00:02:07] Okay, good.

[00:02:08] It's all happening.

[00:02:09] Good.

[00:02:09] No, it's I love the Mike Holloway and Ben Dreebergen debate.

[00:02:12] Should I call up Mike Holloway for a podcast and get his reaction to all this?

[00:02:17] That would be great.

[00:02:17] Yes.

[00:02:17] I should text him and then see what he thinks.

[00:02:20] I don't want to take away from the headline of Rachel winning, but the fact that like somehow

[00:02:23] Mike Holloway, I didn't even know that like Mike Holloway's game was now not considered a great game.

[00:02:27] He played a great game and at the time people were crazy about Mike Holloway.

[00:02:30] You know, he was like in charge of the tribe and you know, then he like had a great alliance going into the merge and you know, controlled the early merge votes.

[00:02:40] You know, he even like he shut down Joey amazing looking for the idol and then found the amazing's club.

[00:02:48] Yeah, exactly.

[00:02:49] And then people turned on him because he successfully understood that they were trying to vote him out.

[00:02:53] So I know the whole thing with like the family letters, that was a little silly.

[00:02:56] And then and then he, you know, beasts his way to the end when he when finally his back is against the wall.

[00:03:02] And like throughout that, he actually makes his game position worse by standing up for Shireen and doing like a really like noble, wonderful thing.

[00:03:08] Like what a great guy in a great season.

[00:03:10] Congrats to Mike Holloway.

[00:03:12] I think that some of the like the like post HHH like Ben fatigue ends up he got like kind of lumped in with that where I think that in the real time,

[00:03:23] I don't think that he was really derided like that.

[00:03:26] But congratulations to Rachel because I don't know when Rachel made her tier list of the survivor winners, but it sounds like she and Andy really like got into it.

[00:03:35] Really got into it.

[00:03:36] Where's Bobby?

[00:03:37] Oh, you know, where's Bob?

[00:03:38] I like Bob.

[00:03:39] Bob's a great winner.

[00:03:40] But like how do you like, you know?

[00:03:41] Yeah.

[00:03:42] Could you imagine Steven in old school survivor?

[00:03:44] Could you imagine sitting there at the final tribal council and survivor token jeans?

[00:03:48] And that maybe coach brings up your winner rankings from a different era.

[00:03:57] You couldn't even talk about this stuff back then.

[00:03:59] They're like, nobody cares about this.

[00:04:01] They would have come out with a giant hook and pulled the person right out.

[00:04:05] It would have been a trap door like beast games.

[00:04:07] And you just like drop out of the tribal council.

[00:04:11] Yeah, but no, Rachel, congratulations.

[00:04:14] Had a great conversations with the final four.

[00:04:17] Those are up on our JP.

[00:04:19] Really nice chat with Rachel got to talk about her win and a really great job overall by Rachel, who really, I think mid season.

[00:04:30] I don't think really was on our radar as the person who was going to come out and win the season.

[00:04:35] And then really in the post merge game, really just got on such a role where looking back, I don't think that she was available to be voted for from the final nine on.

[00:04:49] Yeah, I mean, the immunity wins and then the idle plays just just really, really great.

[00:04:55] I mean, it's kind of crazy that you were so bullish on teeny, you know, given everything that ultimately happened.

[00:05:00] But, you know, I kind of saw Rachel all the way through and I was always sort of team Rachel from from the jump, I would say.

[00:05:05] Yeah. So but that was it.

[00:05:07] You know, we did get a half a second shot of fire in Rachel's glasses.

[00:05:11] And I think we can't really, you know, this if anything, we learned from this finale is that, you know, sometimes it's just a reflection in the glasses.

[00:05:16] Well, sometimes that's what they say. Like sometimes a whale is just a whale.

[00:05:21] Yeah. In this case, sometimes a reflection is just a reflection.

[00:05:24] Yeah. OK. What were your thoughts on the finale overall?

[00:05:28] For we kind of talked about last week that, you know, what how are they going to possibly make drama out of this?

[00:05:34] Rachel is so obviously the winner of this season going into the final four.

[00:05:38] They've made it clear that, you know, she's the best at fire.

[00:05:41] They've made it clear she wins if she gets the final three.

[00:05:43] And then at, you know, 17 minutes in when she does win that final four challenge, I'm like, well, are we going to have to watch two hours of this?

[00:05:51] Like what are like, how is this going to be interesting?

[00:05:53] But it actually was much more interesting than I thought it was going to be.

[00:05:57] Sam put up a great fight at the final travel council.

[00:06:00] I was like, is there a world where Sam can pull this out?

[00:06:01] I didn't ever actually believe that.

[00:06:03] But I asked that question to myself.

[00:06:05] You know, I thought it was a viable world.

[00:06:07] It actually kind of reminded me of the Kagaian finale, which I always remember because, you know, of course you knew that Tony was going to win.

[00:06:13] And yet watching it, you were like, wait a second.

[00:06:14] Did Wu just did Wu just pull this out?

[00:06:17] Which like partially credit to Sam and then partially credit to the producers who really did a job of creating tension, not just in showing Sam's great moments.

[00:06:25] But I kind of thought they sort of like downplayed Rachel a little bit.

[00:06:28] They had a lot of shots of her looking like bad, you know, of like kind of like cutaways where she didn't look like a winner, you know.

[00:06:34] And I thought they did a great job with creating a little bit of mystery.

[00:06:38] When the only vote was Kyle's, I thought to myself, for Sam, I was like, OK, that's it.

[00:06:43] Because normally they show like a couple connected with you.

[00:06:47] Yeah.

[00:06:47] Like Sierra or Genevieve or, you know, even even like Andy would have been an interesting one.

[00:06:52] But like Kyle and Sam, we didn't really see much there.

[00:06:54] So it's like, OK, if the only vote they're showing is Kyle, that's probably the only vote they have for Sam.

[00:06:57] I do think it is one of the flaws of a survivor as a TV product.

[00:07:02] You know, when we get to these final tribal councils that and Jeff in the real time said that he thought it was very close.

[00:07:08] And I'm sure it was close based off what Rachel and Sam were saying.

[00:07:11] But it's almost like that every tribal council kind of gets it almost never gets edited to be that it's a runaway.

[00:07:18] And that somebody like unless there's like a total disaster going on, like it's almost always like optimized for, oh, this is close.

[00:07:27] And then they read the votes and it's like, you know, lopsided.

[00:07:30] So, you know, but it's TV.

[00:07:33] They can't make it seem like you'll turn the show off if it seems like it's going to be boring.

[00:07:37] Boring.

[00:07:38] So, you know, they're sort of like boxed in.

[00:07:40] They have to sort of like downplay the better things that the winner is doing and sort of like play up the things that the second placer is going to be doing.

[00:07:47] I didn't get that.

[00:07:48] You didn't get that.

[00:07:49] You might be the exception.

[00:07:50] They said, OK, well, like people, they're going to watch for the reunion show to see what coach is going to do.

[00:07:56] So we got we got a captive audience.

[00:07:58] Yeah, I definitely didn't get played up.

[00:08:00] I got played off.

[00:08:07] It was always meant to be.

[00:08:09] They know going in that this was going to be, you know, a two episode finale, because I feel like this could have been a great finale if we had Genevieve in the finale.

[00:08:16] Yeah.

[00:08:17] Jeff talked about it on the On Fire podcast and said that there were and I don't know if this I don't know if Jeff said this or this was speculation.

[00:08:25] They didn't know if they were going to like have to take a week off for the election coverage.

[00:08:31] And then I think that they decided, hey, let's do 14 episodes and maybe if we need to, we'll do like maybe two episodes in one night.

[00:08:41] So CBS had asked Survivor to do the two part finale.

[00:08:45] And so Jeff talked about the reasons why.

[00:08:47] And then he said that him and Matt went back and they figured out a way to be able to do it.

[00:08:52] So I think that this was always like on paper the way that this was going to be structured.

[00:08:57] But not but not necessarily something they'll do again.

[00:09:00] I don't think that.

[00:09:00] No, I'd be surprised unless it's like, hey, this is great.

[00:09:04] Bang for our buck.

[00:09:04] 14 episodes now.

[00:09:06] But I don't know necessarily if I mean, I think that three hours of the show in one night, I think, is a lot for a lot of people.

[00:09:15] I think that we lose we lose a lot.

[00:09:17] True.

[00:09:18] But I will say I felt like that last night did not feel as special of an event to have it just be, you know, basically like 30 minutes longer than the regular Survivor episode.

[00:09:28] Yeah.

[00:09:28] And like not that much, you know, not that much actually happens.

[00:09:31] Right.

[00:09:31] There's the she wins.

[00:09:33] I mean, the challenge was it was a great challenge.

[00:09:34] I really like that challenge.

[00:09:35] There's a lot.

[00:09:36] I love the challenge was great.

[00:09:37] Fire was great.

[00:09:38] You know, and then fire competition.

[00:09:40] Oh, my God.

[00:09:41] Like the fact that Teenie's like truly someone there gave her the asbestos covered rope because that was crazy.

[00:09:46] Well, I talked about this with Teenie this morning.

[00:09:49] I sort of occurred to me, hey, did did Destiny step in the way?

[00:09:53] Was that basically did the wins do Teenie a favor?

[00:09:57] Does Teenie go to the final travel council?

[00:09:59] I mean, it gets a vote or two, but it's like sort of like raked over the coals to some degree of Teenie.

[00:10:04] What did you even do?

[00:10:06] Did you even vote right?

[00:10:07] What the hell, Teenie?

[00:10:08] And, you know, to sit next to Rachel.

[00:10:10] Wasn't this a better finish to Teenie story to come up just short in the fire making than to go sit there and, you know, get the inquisition in the final travel council?

[00:10:22] I mean, that was your argument, too, for Andy, right?

[00:10:24] Like much better for him to go out, you know, with like as a threat in this blind side or in this big, like big, splashy travel council and kind of like go to the end and have like the sad trombone.

[00:10:34] So I believe it.

[00:10:35] Yeah, I think that's that's probably true.

[00:10:36] It was just, you know, that fire was was was wild.

[00:10:39] Yeah.

[00:10:40] Steven, I did the exit interviews this morning and, you know, had great chats with everybody.

[00:10:44] The person that really surprised me the most was Sue, because I felt like that Sue like I felt like that was like a little bit more of a fun personality in my exit interview with Sue as opposed to what we saw on the show.

[00:10:57] Sue says she loves Kyle also and is, you know, very, very high on Kyle.

[00:11:02] But she really, you know, she talked about how she did.

[00:11:06] She did not like that Andy lied to her three times and got he got my sweet Caroline voted out of the game.

[00:11:13] And I didn't want to forgive him for that.

[00:11:15] And I said about Andy that.

[00:11:18] So she has five Christmas trees, Steven.

[00:11:20] I said, is Andy on the nice list of the naughty list?

[00:11:22] She said he is very naughty.

[00:11:24] Andy is a is a naughty guy.

[00:11:25] And she basically said that at the vote where Andy went home, Sue said she told Rachel, I want Andy out no matter what.

[00:11:37] That's really interesting because it was really present.

[00:11:39] I mean, it makes sense.

[00:11:39] And this is the challenge.

[00:11:41] Right.

[00:11:41] And that's like gauging people's game based on an edited TV show.

[00:11:45] Right.

[00:11:45] Is like they're always going to they're telling a story of why someone wins.

[00:11:48] And especially as we get close to the end, you know, of course, they're going to make those seminal decisions, you know, come down to the winners.

[00:11:54] There's, you know, calculus and Sue gets zero votes.

[00:11:57] They don't want to make, you know, show her necessarily having some like huge strategic impact.

[00:12:01] But I believe that I believe that she did that.

[00:12:04] According to Sue, she said that Rachel wanted Sam out.

[00:12:06] She thought Sam was the bigger threat and that it was only because that she was getting revenge for Caroline getting voted out and Andy flipping.

[00:12:14] And that's why she wanted to make sure that Andy went out at six.

[00:12:17] Wow.

[00:12:18] That's interesting.

[00:12:19] I mean, you know, I totally, totally, totally credible.

[00:12:22] Yeah.

[00:12:22] Interesting.

[00:12:23] OK.

[00:12:23] Why five Christmas trees?

[00:12:25] What is that?

[00:12:26] What's the significance?

[00:12:27] Are they all in the same room?

[00:12:28] I ask myself why one a lot of the time.

[00:12:30] Yeah.

[00:12:30] Yeah.

[00:12:30] No, I just, you know, you decorate with a little.

[00:12:32] She loves Christmas.

[00:12:32] She loves Christmas.

[00:12:33] She's got a lot of stuff going on for Christmas.

[00:12:36] Really can, you know, Sue versus Q.

[00:12:37] That's the rivalry.

[00:12:38] Sue versus Q.

[00:12:39] Like put that, that one of the like, look, the season writes itself of cancel Christmas versus five Christmas trees.

[00:12:46] Yeah.

[00:12:47] That's pretty great.

[00:12:47] Last night I talked to Adam Klein.

[00:12:50] Had a lot of fun going through everything with Adam, who's always so excited about everything from Survivor.

[00:12:56] So if you missed that podcast, didn't stay up for that one.

[00:12:59] Be sure to check out my conversation with Adam.

[00:13:03] Steven, I know you've been very impressed with Sam all season long.

[00:13:08] And I'm sure that you thought his final tribal council performance was a very strong one.

[00:13:14] Yeah.

[00:13:14] He really did exceptionally at, you know, especially coming in, knowing he was the underdog, knowing everybody thought Rachel was sort of the presumptive winner.

[00:13:21] To be able to argue his case so compellingly, you know, I think he did a great job of saying, I have been on the right side of every vote, which is, that's amazing.

[00:13:28] You know, I have gotten the most votes.

[00:13:30] I am the actual big threat here.

[00:13:31] You know, she's not the big threat.

[00:13:32] You know, her, some of the things she did do were from luck, for example, like getting an idol in your fries.

[00:13:38] And, you know, and then when she would fire back and say, you know, you weren't able to get me out and he fired back and said, you weren't able to get me out.

[00:13:45] You know, you tried to get me out via fire and you failed at that.

[00:13:48] And here I am.

[00:13:49] And here you are.

[00:13:49] Like neither of us had plans go all the way, you know, that we wanted them.

[00:13:52] But, you know, we both were targets.

[00:13:55] And in a way, he was a bigger target.

[00:13:58] Right.

[00:13:58] More people, more people were worried about getting Sam out for a longer period of time than were worried about getting Rachel out, at least from my perspective.

[00:14:04] Yeah. Sam really came into the merge as the person who was looked at as like the bigger threat, the person that we have to get out of the game.

[00:14:13] But I think that then the focus started to turn more on the, you know, Genevieve's and even the Rachel's of the world.

[00:14:19] And people were trying to look at them as sort of like the more under the radar threats who had the best shot to be.

[00:14:26] And they just like were distracted.

[00:14:28] They couldn't end up getting out, Sam.

[00:14:30] Does Rachel benefit from the Genevieve rivalry because they're sort of similar players and they were the sort of like, you know, is it Genevieve or is it Rachel?

[00:14:38] Then when Genevieve goes out, suddenly, oh, it's Rachel, you know, versus like what if it were like Gabe versus Sam?

[00:14:43] And then Gabe goes out, you know, and then it's like, you know, just kind of like, you know, Caroline really got me thinking about how people are kind of judged by other players who are like them.

[00:14:52] And if like the narrative of the late game was like, oh, it's these two, you know, male alphas going head to head versus these two, like, you know, Rachel versus Genevieve, the two like female strategists going head to head.

[00:15:04] Like, does it does she benefit from that?

[00:15:05] Yeah, I think she definitely does.

[00:15:07] I think if you would have like on paper, like hypothetically speaking, like, you know, it's the start of the season and we're just reading, you know, certain players exit interviews.

[00:15:18] And we see like, OK, maybe Rachel is going to be the winner of the season.

[00:15:22] I think that we might have like drawn it up differently of how Rachel ultimately gets there, because I think that Rachel has this, you know, it's designed to, I think, sort of like be a camouflaged player who that you might think that her win looks like one of these really under the radar people who sneaks in and then ultimately argues her game.

[00:15:43] In the same way that we or at least I did, I thought that Caroline was going to be the winner of the season at one point.

[00:15:49] And it just so happens that Rachel ends up, you know, sort of like emerging where that I think it was really that she was very good at the challenges and very good at the puzzles.

[00:16:02] I talked about this with Rachel and also maybe not as much, but I think she acknowledged it to some degree when she's trying to steal the rice and Jeff blows up her spot back on day five.

[00:16:14] I think it was something that else.

[00:16:15] People like, oh, keep an eye on this one.

[00:16:17] And then also she was so good in the challenges in the pre-merge.

[00:16:20] I think that then she was somebody who really couldn't hide as much as she wanted to and then had to play this completely different game, which was outside of her comfort zone of winning the challenges and playing the advantages and doing like a completely different game than probably she expected to play.

[00:16:39] Yeah, I mean, and you know, and like when Annika's voted out, right, she had what she felt was a very comfortable alliance, right?

[00:16:45] She was in this group with Annika and Sierra.

[00:16:48] And then suddenly, you know, she's on the outside of this other group that she didn't even realize.

[00:16:51] So she went from having this sort of, you know, stable alliance, which I think makes every survivor player feel more comfortable.

[00:16:57] And that's kind of how you operate from the top, right?

[00:16:59] You've got your group.

[00:17:00] And then she's immediately on the outside of that after the Annika vote.

[00:17:03] So that was, you know, also kind of like pushed her away.

[00:17:08] And I think, you know, she and her exits has talked about how she kind of played the game as it came to her, which I think is what you have to do, right?

[00:17:14] You go in expecting to play one way and then the game throws a curveball at you and then you adapt.

[00:17:19] And that's what makes the great survivor players.

[00:17:20] And the other thing, you know, which I really liked that she said was that, you know, okay, like, yes, she had an idol.

[00:17:26] Like, that's not a bad thing, you know?

[00:17:27] And also, like, she made choices based on having that idol, right?

[00:17:32] She made choices based on her advantage.

[00:17:33] So it's not like she got lucky that all these votes were coming her way and happened to have an idol.

[00:17:37] She had an idol and, like, could use that in her, in the way she positioned herself in the tribe to, you know, to set herself up as a big move.

[00:17:47] And she could afford a little bit more heat because she had the immunities around her neck.

[00:17:51] But, you know, she had the idol.

[00:17:52] So she could take bigger risks.

[00:17:56] I'd love to get your thought on the idea of playing from the top versus playing from the bottom and the degree of difficulty that it takes to do either one.

[00:18:06] Do you have a thought on that?

[00:18:07] I mean, I have to say I've been in both positions.

[00:18:10] And I think playing from the bottom is a lot harder, just emotionally.

[00:18:13] Like, playing from the top, it's like you feel like a god.

[00:18:15] You know, you're like, okay, I've got my, like, five votes.

[00:18:17] And, like, you're next.

[00:18:18] And then you're next.

[00:18:19] And then you're next.

[00:18:19] But when you're playing from the bottom and everyone's out to get you, it's stressful.

[00:18:23] It's, like, much more just, like, the emotional and psychological component.

[00:18:26] It's just harder because you know that, like, every single moment is your last.

[00:18:29] You know, you're not part of, like, the fun conversations of, like, ooh, like, who should we, the masterminds, eliminate next?

[00:18:35] You know, you're constantly scrambling.

[00:18:38] And the pressure of that is just, it just really wears on you.

[00:18:41] Yeah.

[00:18:41] And I think Rachel did a really great job of coming back from being in that position and, you know, putting something together from being in that spot.

[00:18:51] You know, it's also, I think, very hard to play from the top well.

[00:18:55] I mean, of course it's hard.

[00:18:57] I mean, especially I think New Era Survivor makes it much harder to play from the top.

[00:19:00] You know, I think back in the day you could have your five people and be like, well, I guess this is the five.

[00:19:03] We're just going to the end together.

[00:19:05] That's no longer the case.

[00:19:07] And I think that's the challenge of New Era Survivor.

[00:19:09] It's, like, how do you maintain this top position without kind of, you know, getting your comeuppance?

[00:19:14] And I actually have no idea.

[00:19:15] How does anyone do that?

[00:19:17] It's really very rare.

[00:19:19] I mean, who has done that other than, you know, I guess D and, you know, that group.

[00:19:23] Like, who else has, like, been able in this era to do that?

[00:19:26] Yeah.

[00:19:26] You know, people have clocked that, you know, that in this new era you're better to be closer to the bottom.

[00:19:35] And I think it was, just to get my sources straight, I think that Marianne was the first person to say this.

[00:19:42] And I'll give credit to patron Bobby Hall, who referenced this on one of the patron calls, that the ideal place to be, Stephen, in the new era is sixth in the pecking order at the final eight.

[00:19:57] Wow.

[00:19:57] That's really interesting.

[00:19:58] At the final eight is sixth.

[00:20:00] Yeah.

[00:20:01] What do you think of that?

[00:20:01] Is that does that sort of line up with with Rachel?

[00:20:04] We got to go.

[00:20:04] We got to go to the tape here.

[00:20:05] You kind of want to be like, not really on the bottom, but kind of near the bottom.

[00:20:10] I would guess like fourth, you know, somewhere like where you could, you know, your whole tier of like gamers and losers and whatever else.

[00:20:18] I really talked about that last season of like the threats, the nothings and the losers.

[00:20:23] Right.

[00:20:24] But if you're six, aren't you a loser?

[00:20:26] Hmm.

[00:20:27] Not necessarily.

[00:20:28] Like, you want to be a nothing, a nothing at the final eight.

[00:20:31] Yeah.

[00:20:32] So I think that that certainly mapped better onto season 46, but I kind of feel like that there is some degree with all due respect to teeny into Sue.

[00:20:42] Like, I think that they were probably seen as like, okay, these are the losers.

[00:20:45] Although I think that people thought that maybe teeny could get a couple of votes at the final tribal council.

[00:20:50] And so but people weren't worried about them.

[00:20:52] So it's sort of like, okay, Andy was sort of like teetering between is he is he a nothing?

[00:20:58] Is he a loser?

[00:20:58] He wanted that he he wanted to be a threat.

[00:21:01] He felt like that he was doing so much.

[00:21:03] And then you had these other players of Sam, Genevieve, Rachel, Kyle, like, okay, Gabe, like, okay, there were like these big threats that everybody was like super focused on.

[00:21:16] I think that Caroline getting sniped.

[00:21:18] I really do think that Caroline was set up very well to be sort of like the person who they thought was a nothing who ends up being the person who like, like, you know, gets the threats to take out each other.

[00:21:29] Her and Sue play the idol at the right time and take out right now.

[00:21:31] Rachel was never vulnerable to be taken out.

[00:21:34] So there was a flaw in her plan.

[00:21:35] But ultimately, like, I thought that she was the person that also could have been in that spot.

[00:21:42] Yeah, I mean, you you've been pushing that the Caroline story for a long time, but I do think there's something you're pushing back on the Caroline story.

[00:21:48] Well, no, I mean, I just think if you look at what Rachel actually did, you know, with like the idol plays and like the certainly Rachel was was much more as in the aggregate was much more impressive with what she did than Caroline.

[00:22:01] I just think that the if Caroline was ever not immune, I do think that there was a ambush that Rachel did not see of Sue and Caroline having that Sue idol that they could have that.

[00:22:13] I think that they were planning to get the jump on Rachel.

[00:22:17] And again, but there were the hole in their plan was that Rachel was never not immune.

[00:22:23] Yeah, I mean, that's that's that'll get you.

[00:22:25] I mean, and that's like, you know, that's why they call it Survivor.

[00:22:27] No, that is the challenge of the game.

[00:22:29] And I think that's, you know, I think people discount immunities.

[00:22:32] You know, I think I've seen a lot of people as the Mike Holloway, Ben Dreamer debate has been raging.

[00:22:37] No, Ben Dreamer and I don't think ever won individual immunity in a lot of idols.

[00:22:41] Yes, a lot of idols.

[00:22:44] And, you know, people are saying, well, if you're you know, you have to rely on external things like, you know, you're are you playing a good game?

[00:22:50] I mean, I think so.

[00:22:52] Like, they're all parts of the game, right?

[00:22:53] Like, I always was very biased towards controlling votes.

[00:22:56] And I don't think, you know, Rachel controlled a lot of votes, but, you know, you're she tried.

[00:23:00] You know, she wanted that and that that wasn't the path available to her.

[00:23:02] So she, you know, plays played the game as it came to her.

[00:23:05] And I think that's that's really that's really all you can say.

[00:23:07] I mean, especially now, like we're saying, like in a way, you're really hurt by hurt from controlling votes.

[00:23:12] Mm hmm.

[00:23:12] Yeah.

[00:23:12] Yeah.

[00:23:13] I think that controlling the votes is just something that's not going to get you to the end.

[00:23:17] I think that for Rachel, like her best argument was like, you all wanted me to be out and I'm here.

[00:23:23] You could not get me.

[00:23:24] And so I did everything I could to stay in the game.

[00:23:27] You all said I was the biggest threat.

[00:23:29] And look at me.

[00:23:29] I'm still here.

[00:23:30] So, yeah.

[00:23:31] I mean, winning immunities and playing idols is part of Survivor.

[00:23:34] Like those are literally mechanics in the game.

[00:23:36] They're not like some like outside thing that is not a part of the game.

[00:23:39] Yeah.

[00:23:40] I don't remember who said this on Twitter, but it's not like other people.

[00:23:43] It might have been you.

[00:23:44] It's not like the other people are trying to throw the challenges.

[00:23:47] No, I wish that's exactly right, though.

[00:23:50] That's that's it.

[00:23:50] They all they all they all want to be there.

[00:23:53] And just like with Kyle, Kyle was out there.

[00:23:56] Everybody's like, OK, we got to stop Kyle.

[00:23:58] Kyle's going to win all the immunities.

[00:23:59] The person who beat Kyle, who took Kyle out of the game was Rachel.

[00:24:04] Yeah.

[00:24:04] Yeah.

[00:24:05] And right.

[00:24:06] And if you are becoming a threat because you are winning immunities,

[00:24:08] like then there also is like there's there's a trade off.

[00:24:11] Yeah.

[00:24:12] It's very funny that they exchange between Kyle and Sue.

[00:24:15] Yeah.

[00:24:15] Like Kyle just could not let her have it.

[00:24:17] She's like, I would have beat you all.

[00:24:19] I was like, no, no, you would not have beat me.

[00:24:21] You would not have beat me.

[00:24:22] The two of them have like this thing.

[00:24:24] And like being really good in the challenges,

[00:24:27] I think is a big part of both of their stories for Kyle.

[00:24:29] Like, I think that's basically like his number one,

[00:24:33] like claim to fame in the game.

[00:24:34] And Sue saying like, OK, I did really great in these challenges for somebody my age.

[00:24:39] And so they're like bickering a little bit over, you know, who who would have won more challenges,

[00:24:44] who was going to win more.

[00:24:46] So let them have that.

[00:24:48] The Kyle and Sue here.

[00:24:49] Let me give you a couple other things that came out of the exits that I thought were interesting.

[00:24:53] So Rachel talked about how they really downplayed in the show how close her, Caroline and Sue ended up being.

[00:25:02] That after the Sierra vote, she had sort of bonded with Caroline and Sue at the Survivor social hour.

[00:25:09] And then ultimately after Sierra went home, she really linked up with them as a three.

[00:25:15] And that was a pretty tight three that Rachel had with Caroline and Sue that we didn't really get to see so much until after Caroline was gone.

[00:25:24] Yeah. And that makes sense of like the sort of Sue Rachel bond, which seemed to be, as you said, like only only kind of start when when Caroline was voted out.

[00:25:31] Yeah. And.

[00:25:34] There was another interesting point from the exits that I will remember at some point later on in this podcast.

[00:25:40] Well, also, the closeness between Sierra and Rachel was I mean, Sierra voting for Rachel was like one of the surprises.

[00:25:46] Why? You know, why?

[00:25:48] Why did Sierra vote for Rachel?

[00:25:50] Yeah.

[00:25:51] Well, I thought Rachel had a great answer to Sierra's question of what was your lowest moment in the game?

[00:25:55] And, you know, Sam, of course, you know, had a very good relationship with Sierra in the game.

[00:26:01] But Rachel's answer to the question of what was the lowest moment of the game?

[00:26:05] The night you got voted out was my lowest moment of the game.

[00:26:08] Pretty good answer.

[00:26:09] I think that Sierra was like split.

[00:26:12] It was 50 50.

[00:26:13] Maybe also Sierra may have known which way the votes were going and sort of like, OK, well, maybe on the right side of history with this also.

[00:26:22] But it seemed like that she and Gabe, Sam said, were the two votes that he kind of expected he might have gotten that were kind of conflicted.

[00:26:30] Yeah. I mean, I do think there is something, you know, as we've talked about at Ponderosa, where people kind of do sort of endlessly discuss it.

[00:26:38] And then, you know, the sentiment breaks one way or one way or another.

[00:26:42] Yeah. Is there a world where Kyle voted for Sam just to deny Sue runner up money?

[00:26:48] No, I don't think so.

[00:26:49] So I think that like when it was Kyle, Sam and Genevieve together, I think that it was sort of like this bond of like, where are the threats?

[00:26:56] Where are the three people that, you know, they wish that they could stop us, but they can't.

[00:27:01] And so I think that, you know, you sort of like project onto the final three like, OK, that's me if I was up there.

[00:27:07] Yeah.

[00:27:07] Even though Rachel ended up winning as many challenges as Kyle.

[00:27:11] Yeah.

[00:27:11] It's kind of wild that Kyle wins what, like four out of the first five challenges.

[00:27:16] And then ultimately Rachel wins four out of the last five challenges.

[00:27:20] Oh, wow.

[00:27:21] Yeah.

[00:27:21] Just like that's funny.

[00:27:22] I think like very few, very few challenge winners this season.

[00:27:25] Yeah.

[00:27:27] Steven, you have not yet commented on Saul in the jury last night.

[00:27:32] Oh, wearing the wearing the vest again.

[00:27:34] Yeah.

[00:27:34] Yeah.

[00:27:35] Love Saul.

[00:27:35] Love Saul.

[00:27:36] Yeah.

[00:27:38] Interesting vest.

[00:27:39] No shirt, but like a huge scarf.

[00:27:42] Hmm.

[00:27:43] Yeah.

[00:27:44] I don't know.

[00:27:44] I mean, he's a trendsetter, right?

[00:27:45] Like, I think next season, that's how I'm going to be dressing on the No-It-Alls is just vest and the scarf.

[00:27:49] Wow.

[00:27:50] OK.

[00:27:50] That would be a huge hit.

[00:27:52] Well, I'm planning to drink a lot of chocolate milk over the winter and, you know, maybe it all gets really, really beefy.

[00:27:57] Yeah.

[00:27:58] OK.

[00:27:58] We'll come back around to Survivor 48 preview later on in the show.

[00:28:03] So in the final tribal council, I feel like that some folks were very chatty and other folks were kind of quiet.

[00:28:09] We didn't hear much from Genevieve.

[00:28:11] Yeah, that's interesting.

[00:28:12] You would have thought that she would have been a more vocal person.

[00:28:14] She had like one follow-up question, but didn't really have a lot to say.

[00:28:18] Yeah.

[00:28:18] She was kind of quiet in the final tribal council.

[00:28:21] Kyle, other than, you know, going back and forth with Sue a little bit, didn't really add much to the discourse.

[00:28:27] Yeah.

[00:28:28] Yeah.

[00:28:29] I appreciated that Gabe directed that one question towards Sue.

[00:28:32] I thought that was nice, you know, because, you know, you do sometimes get these like you two need to battle it out.

[00:28:38] And then the third person is kind of like, hello.

[00:28:40] I do it here.

[00:28:41] But but to like give her a chance to make her case, I thought was really nice.

[00:28:45] Yeah.

[00:28:45] What do you think of Gabe stepping up as sort of the foreperson of the jury?

[00:28:49] I mean, yeah, that's I mean, honestly, I was not surprised by that.

[00:28:53] Yeah.

[00:28:53] It seemed like he was like the unofficial mayor of Ponderosa.

[00:28:57] Ponderosa.

[00:28:57] Exactly.

[00:28:58] Yeah.

[00:28:59] Do you think that you could take anything away from which is the person that steps up and is trying to tell like be the leader of the jury?

[00:29:08] Probably not.

[00:29:09] I mean, I don't know.

[00:29:10] I mean, obviously, those things get really like, you know, people people argue endlessly upon Rosa.

[00:29:14] But I don't think so.

[00:29:15] Right.

[00:29:15] That's just the loudest person.

[00:29:16] Mm hmm.

[00:29:17] OK.

[00:29:18] Would that be you?

[00:29:19] I don't know.

[00:29:20] I mean, that wasn't you in Second Chances.

[00:29:24] Well, we didn't we didn't have this fun jury format.

[00:29:26] I would have liked to.

[00:29:26] I would have pleased I would have absolutely been mouthing off if it was if we had.

[00:29:30] Oh, yeah, that's right.

[00:29:30] It wasn't invented yet.

[00:29:32] Yeah.

[00:29:32] That's going to say that.

[00:29:33] No, it was.

[00:29:34] But no, they didn't come into play until Game Changers.

[00:29:37] Yeah.

[00:29:38] Do you think you would have?

[00:29:39] Do you think?

[00:29:40] Oh, yeah.

[00:29:40] Oh, I'd love.

[00:29:41] Oh, please.

[00:29:41] I would have been getting into it with everybody.

[00:29:46] Speaks for the jury.

[00:29:48] I mean, I think that, like, you know, there was would have been enough.

[00:29:51] I was a very vocal proponent of Jeremy at Ponderosa.

[00:29:55] And so I think that it would have not been strange for me to try to, like, you know, steer things towards him.

[00:29:59] Yeah.

[00:29:59] I feel like Savage, I think, would have really stepped up.

[00:30:02] You can't really hear him.

[00:30:03] He speaks so low.

[00:30:04] Oh, OK.

[00:30:06] You have to be able to project well.

[00:30:08] Yeah.

[00:30:09] So you also have to lean in to hear what Savage is saying.

[00:30:11] Is that intentional?

[00:30:13] Is that a power move?

[00:30:14] I might be.

[00:30:14] Yeah.

[00:30:15] I had a confessional about how I thought at the time.

[00:30:17] I thought it was a little bit of, like, a power move.

[00:30:19] You know, you're kind of like, what?

[00:30:20] What?

[00:30:20] You know, you really like bringing people to him.

[00:30:22] Wow.

[00:30:23] Yeah.

[00:30:25] That's interesting.

[00:30:26] I never knew that.

[00:30:27] Mm-hmm.

[00:30:28] OK.

[00:30:30] Steven, it was a quick after show.

[00:30:33] Yeah, it was a very quick after show.

[00:30:36] Just like jam, jam, jam.

[00:30:37] I did not like it.

[00:30:38] I know we talk all the time about how we don't like the post show and how it's, like, traumatic

[00:30:43] for the losers to suddenly, like, be reeling.

[00:30:46] But I didn't like it.

[00:30:46] I just thought it was boring.

[00:30:47] Like, the questions were kind of, like, all really generic.

[00:30:49] It felt like generic Tribal Council questions.

[00:30:51] It felt like, you know, how do you pull off a blindside in this game?

[00:30:56] You know, what's the most inspirational part of being here?

[00:30:59] You know, like, it just felt like the sort of stuff that people say at every Tribal Council,

[00:31:03] it didn't feel different or special at all in a way that when you actually watched the live

[00:31:08] finales, you know, of course, having the pre-jurors out there was awesome.

[00:31:11] You know, getting to see everybody in their, like, fancy clothes was exciting.

[00:31:14] And I like the part where they're talking about their real lives.

[00:31:18] Like, yeah, I'm at home now.

[00:31:19] And, you know, here's what Survivor has meant.

[00:31:21] And, you know, otherwise, it just feels like another, like, meh.

[00:31:24] I mean, I get that they're never going back to the other one because it's just so much

[00:31:28] more expensive.

[00:31:28] Like, why would they ever?

[00:31:29] You think never?

[00:31:30] I mean, yeah, probably never.

[00:31:33] I mean, I could see an occasion where they might potentially go back to it, like, for,

[00:31:38] you know, a big, you know, special season that they wanted to do that for.

[00:31:42] But Jeff is very dug in, I think, on that the after show, what he likes it.

[00:31:48] If you listen to the On Fire podcast, he talked about, you know, what he likes about it.

[00:31:52] And, you know, Charlie and Rachel both talked about how, you know, that they liked being able

[00:31:58] to hear from people, like, and that they could trust what they were saying more so in that

[00:32:01] format than had they had a reunion.

[00:32:03] I just feel like that there would...

[00:32:06] But they have to because they're talking to Jeff.

[00:32:07] You know, you can't trust them.

[00:32:08] I guess so.

[00:32:09] But it's just, I find it to be very unmemorable in terms of, like, even from last night,

[00:32:14] you know, what happened on the Survivor after show.

[00:32:17] So there's just not a lot of moments that we really, like, go back to.

[00:32:22] And I think that they, you know, kept it short in what they talked about.

[00:32:25] So there wasn't too many things.

[00:32:26] But I just wonder if there's any tweaks that they could be making to it to, like, I understand

[00:32:32] you don't want to go back and do the library.

[00:32:34] But I feel like we need a little bit of, like, a little more, like, friction there.

[00:32:40] Yeah.

[00:32:41] I agree.

[00:32:42] And it's like, I think, like, once people, when you're out there, you're all so raw and

[00:32:46] you're at Ponderosa and you don't, like, that's the other thing.

[00:32:48] When you go home and you're, like, with your families, you're with your communities, you

[00:32:52] know, and you feel kind of, like, your own sense of self and your own sense of, like,

[00:32:55] grievance, you know, how dare, how could you do this to me or whatever?

[00:32:57] Like, then that's where those sort of, like, heated conflicts, you know, imagine how much

[00:33:02] better it would be if Kyle could have seen all the nasty things that Sue was saying

[00:33:05] about him throughout, you know?

[00:33:06] Like, it's, like, such a much more interesting dynamic than, like, Kyle doesn't know.

[00:33:09] He's like, oh, you know, he probably heard at Ponderosa.

[00:33:11] Oh, Sue doesn't like you.

[00:33:12] Like, oh, whoa, you guys, you know?

[00:33:14] But I do feel like with the actual, like, part of what's so compelling is they've all seen

[00:33:19] the show.

[00:33:19] They've all talked crap about each other in confessionals and now they have to confront

[00:33:22] each other.

[00:33:23] That's interesting.

[00:33:24] Yeah.

[00:33:24] There was no moment where Jeff can say, Saul, what?

[00:33:28] And then the crowd goes, like, the standing ovation in the room.

[00:33:31] Yeah.

[00:33:33] Everyone's wearing vests and all in the whole audience.

[00:33:35] The people on the street come up to me and they say, what about Saul?

[00:33:39] Yeah.

[00:33:39] There's no little kids.

[00:33:40] I mean, you know, there's no shots of Cochran.

[00:33:42] Maybe that's the change.

[00:33:43] They need to bring Cochran out there.

[00:33:45] Here's Cochran.

[00:33:47] He's been watching the whole season on a monitor.

[00:33:49] He has some questions to ask you.

[00:33:52] Okay.

[00:33:53] We have questions that we're going to get into from our listeners.

[00:33:57] So go ahead and post them in the chat and we will take them.

[00:34:01] Steven, anything from the Survivor 48 preview that stood out to you?

[00:34:05] It looked exciting.

[00:34:06] It looked fun.

[00:34:07] Yeah.

[00:34:08] You know, yeah.

[00:34:09] I'm excited.

[00:34:10] I'll watch it.

[00:34:11] I just wonder.

[00:34:12] And, you know, we had so much excitement with the Survivor 47 preview.

[00:34:15] Do they need the Survivor 48 promo in the Survivor 47 finale?

[00:34:21] Would we forget there's a Survivor 48 if they didn't show us that?

[00:34:24] I mean, it makes sense that, like, you know, the legend continues, you know, this build

[00:34:28] a hype and your biggest, you know, your biggest night.

[00:34:30] Yeah.

[00:34:31] Because it must be very awkward for the players who are there to like, okay, at least like

[00:34:36] when you're in the finale, like, okay, they're going to play it.

[00:34:39] It's on the monitor.

[00:34:40] You know, you're not playing anything on the monitor.

[00:34:42] They're just like, you know, there's nothing in there.

[00:34:44] What do you think they're showing?

[00:34:44] It didn't even happen yet.

[00:34:45] They're still making Survivor 47.

[00:34:47] What are we looking at?

[00:34:48] Maybe they're acting it out.

[00:34:49] Maybe they're like, you know, and then there's the boat.

[00:34:54] Yeah.

[00:34:55] Uh-oh.

[00:34:57] Either Steven's frozen or I am.

[00:34:59] One of us.

[00:34:59] Okay.

[00:35:00] You're back?

[00:35:02] I'm here.

[00:35:03] I think that's, I just had the actual feeling of what it's like to say, be on Survivor 47

[00:35:09] and then have to wait to see nothing when Survivor 48 trailer happens.

[00:35:14] It was funny that Sam did the thumbs down.

[00:35:16] I, cause I, you know, it is like a, I thought, you know, you don't want to hear about it.

[00:35:19] You're like, no, this is us.

[00:35:20] Okay.

[00:35:21] You're the ones.

[00:35:21] Have we knocked out, uh, who's on the short list to come back from Survivor 47?

[00:35:27] I mean, definitely.

[00:35:29] We all agree.

[00:35:30] Andy's number one.

[00:35:31] Um, I think, you know, you've got to seriously think about if, if there are winners, probably

[00:35:36] Rachel is going to be there.

[00:35:37] Um, I, I think Genevieve and Sam have to be, you know, competitive and that's probably

[00:35:42] the list, right?

[00:35:45] Hmm.

[00:35:45] Hmm.

[00:35:48] Well, I feel like that there's some social media pushing for Saul.

[00:35:54] Right.

[00:35:54] But I, I mean, I don't know.

[00:35:56] I mean, obviously I would love the Saul return, but I, I don't know if he's going to, you know,

[00:36:00] if he's got the light, he wasn't like, you know, chaotic enough to really be brought back.

[00:36:04] Mm-hmm.

[00:36:04] Yeah.

[00:36:05] Teenie?

[00:36:07] I don't think so.

[00:36:08] I mean, only just cause of, I mean, no offense, but just because of their popularity, I think

[00:36:11] like Teenie was pretty, you know, always sort of ranked last among the popularity polls.

[00:36:15] And I think that will affect, you know, the, the producers.

[00:36:18] Okay.

[00:36:19] And then I think that that's the big four.

[00:36:23] I mean, do you, do you see Teenie coming back?

[00:36:26] I, uh, I don't know.

[00:36:29] Uh, I think it's probably like, uh, you know, I could see Teenie back in some format, but

[00:36:35] I feel like that, I don't know how many slots you have for this season 50.

[00:36:38] How many people are you going to bring back from this one season?

[00:36:42] Yeah.

[00:36:42] I don't think, I mean, for sure.

[00:36:43] Not for 50.

[00:36:44] Um, you know, and, and like, you know, Teenie's whole narrative was not getting, you know,

[00:36:47] was not knowing what was going on.

[00:36:49] Uh, so I don't know if that's necessarily the ones they want to cast for the returning

[00:36:53] player season.

[00:36:54] Okay.

[00:36:54] All right.

[00:36:55] Let's bring in some questions from the listeners.

[00:36:57] All right.

[00:36:57] How about a question from Tyler who says, uh, Stephen, how would you compare the gameplay of

[00:37:03] 47 with Cambodia?

[00:37:04] Seems similar.

[00:37:05] Shifting blocks, strategic players, one player.

[00:37:08] Fixated on a challenge beast.

[00:37:11] Wow.

[00:37:11] Am I the Sue?

[00:37:12] Am I the Sue of, uh, of isn't 31?

[00:37:15] I don't think so.

[00:37:17] The, um, no, I, it is, it is an interesting comparison where like you have a lot of really

[00:37:21] shifting alliances and, and, and groups.

[00:37:24] Um, I do think the difference is, you know, someone like Jeremy kind of being, you know,

[00:37:28] back then could still sort of get through the cracks.

[00:37:31] I don't think that would, I mean, you know, I, I, and it also was sort of like big threat

[00:37:35] whack-a-mole, but you know, I just can't imagine Jeremy making it to the end now.

[00:37:41] Right.

[00:37:41] Like there's just no way that Jeremy makes it to the end.

[00:37:44] Players are so focused on the threats and the people, uh, who could win the game.

[00:37:50] And I think that Jeremy, uh, at look, you were there, so you could tell us at the time,

[00:37:54] but I feel like that the, he was like such the double whammy of, he has a great story,

[00:37:58] which people were even keyed in on that in survivor San Juan del Surup.

[00:38:01] Like we can't let Jeremy get to the end.

[00:38:04] Everybody loves the firefighter.

[00:38:05] And then, uh, not to mention that he had like in the back pocket about that Val was pregnant

[00:38:11] with the baby and he's such a likable guy, but then also, you know, he was somebody who,

[00:38:16] you know, could also be a challenge threat too.

[00:38:18] Yeah, exactly.

[00:38:19] And I mean, just all of it.

[00:38:20] And he had, you know, his multiple idols.

[00:38:22] Um, yeah.

[00:38:23] So I, I, I just think, I do think there was some sort of remnant of, you know, a kind

[00:38:27] of alliance based trust back, back then.

[00:38:30] And I, I, you know, maybe the 39 days has some, something to do with it where you do

[00:38:33] sort of build, build trust with people and build relationships.

[00:38:35] Also like, I mean, obviously the returning player season, like adds both like trust and

[00:38:39] distrust to the mix.

[00:38:40] Um, so that's, that's of course a slight difference, but it's not a bad comparison.

[00:38:45] It's an interesting.

[00:38:45] Yeah.

[00:38:46] Okay.

[00:38:46] All right.

[00:38:47] Keys wants to know, can you, all caps, can you guys try to do a quick breakdown of Rachel's

[00:38:52] moves versus Sam's?

[00:38:53] Yeah.

[00:38:54] Well, I mean, the Sam's moves really started on Gata, right?

[00:38:58] Where he, um, you know, pulled over Andy, who was initially very outcast and then kind

[00:39:05] of created this alliance with Sierra to vote out Annika.

[00:39:09] That was probably Sam's biggest move of the game.

[00:39:11] And where was he on the John vote?

[00:39:12] I assume he, it seemed like that was somewhat, you know, unanimous, right?

[00:39:15] The John vote.

[00:39:16] It seemed like that, uh, him and Sierra, I feel like we're probably out on John a little

[00:39:22] bit more.

[00:39:23] Yeah.

[00:39:24] Um, so that's, do you think they kind of drove that boat too?

[00:39:28] And then like at the merge, you know, Sierra gets voted out.

[00:39:30] Like it seemed largely, you know, or at least partially as sort of like a bra, you know,

[00:39:34] against Sam, right.

[00:39:35] That seemed to be like, it was like between the two of them and it happened to be her,

[00:39:39] um, or at least maybe not against Sam, but like against the two of them, right?

[00:39:42] Like that they were seen to be the powerful duo.

[00:39:44] And after that, he really like, what are we, you know, I, he kind of like struggled to

[00:39:48] get a footing in the game until the, um, operation in Italy project Italy.

[00:39:52] Yes.

[00:39:53] Yes.

[00:39:53] I've heard it both ways.

[00:39:55] Yeah.

[00:39:55] And so for Sam, yeah, I don't think it's necessarily that he has a bunch of moves to be able to

[00:40:02] point to, you know, he had things that he did to be able to stay in the game.

[00:40:07] Whereas I think that Rachel had more concrete things that she was able to point to.

[00:40:12] I think that what, you know, for Sam, what was impressive was that he came into the game

[00:40:17] on day one and people thought that he was like, okay, he is somebody that we're going

[00:40:22] to have to deal with.

[00:40:23] We somebody that we can't let get to the end.

[00:40:25] That was probably like a unanimous thought across all of the tribes.

[00:40:29] And then ultimately like here he is somehow he did get to the end.

[00:40:33] Whereas then Rachel was like this big flashing threat that came about like, uh, in the very

[00:40:39] late stages of the game that nobody was able to get rid of.

[00:40:43] And then she was able to save herself through very flashy moves of winning the challenges

[00:40:48] and playing the idol and ultimately get herself to, uh, this position where nobody was able

[00:40:54] to get her out.

[00:40:56] I think that for, um, Sam, then he not just made the fire, but he made it in like such

[00:41:02] an impressive, like come from behind way that it like made everybody jump out of their chair.

[00:41:07] Even my sons, uh, were watching this and they, they leapt off the couch when that moment

[00:41:12] happened.

[00:41:12] Well, it really looked like there was just no way.

[00:41:15] I mean, that fire that teeny had was crazy and Sam had nothing at that point, like actually

[00:41:19] nothing.

[00:41:20] That was wild.

[00:41:21] Yeah.

[00:41:22] And so, uh, all of a sudden he came back.

[00:41:24] So, um, the jury got it right.

[00:41:27] Yeah.

[00:41:28] I, I mean, I think so.

[00:41:29] I mean, I would have voted probably for Rachel in that, in that spot, but you know, Sam's argument

[00:41:32] was like, I, you know, I'm still here, you know, like, and like not so much like I did

[00:41:37] very much, but like I, you know, was a target and you never got me, which is not bad.

[00:41:41] But I was saying this last night with Adam that I think it was a tough argument to make

[00:41:45] for Sam to say like, Hey, I played the scrappy underdog game when he's sitting there with

[00:41:51] Rachel.

[00:41:52] Who's kind of like, right.

[00:41:53] The scrappier, the scrappier, like a more underdog underdog.

[00:41:58] Yeah.

[00:41:58] Now there's a lot of people who have asked about the wind, right?

[00:42:01] Should you get up and block them?

[00:42:02] I mean, the answer is yes.

[00:42:02] Like Nick, Nick Idanza on, um, on social media was, you know, screaming it into the,

[00:42:07] into the wind, um, about how you get, you know, if the wind is, is, you know, messing with

[00:42:11] your fire, you can stand up.

[00:42:12] You do not have to just sit there.

[00:42:13] You can block the wind.

[00:42:14] Okay.

[00:42:15] How does Nick know this?

[00:42:16] Is that an Australian survivor rule?

[00:42:18] Maybe it's just an Australian, you know, just like someone who's made fire in his life.

[00:42:21] Yeah.

[00:42:21] Maybe he's just a expert of the wind.

[00:42:23] Yeah.

[00:42:24] Right.

[00:42:25] Um, so that's, that's probably that is what teeny should have done was stand up and block

[00:42:31] the wind.

[00:42:31] Okay.

[00:42:32] All right.

[00:42:32] This is from Ms.

[00:42:34] Brown sugar asks what weight should be given for not voting incorrectly when you lost your

[00:42:40] vote randomly, lost your vote after a competition and chose not to vote with a shot in the dark.

[00:42:48] So do you get credit for voting correctly when you would have voted incorrectly if you had

[00:42:53] a vote?

[00:42:54] Right.

[00:42:55] That's funny.

[00:42:55] Like you would have been on the wrong side of the vote, but you didn't have votes.

[00:42:57] That's very funny.

[00:42:58] It does mess up the metrics a bit.

[00:43:00] That's, that's a really great point.

[00:43:02] Yeah.

[00:43:03] So I don't know if that got pointed out, you know, I do think it's like a little bit hard.

[00:43:08] It's kind of like, you know, with the, uh, you know, with these like, you know, presidential

[00:43:13] debates, uh, that, you know, it's like, how much do you like, you know, make your own

[00:43:18] point versus like, actually what they kind of, what they just said was wrong.

[00:43:21] I need to correct the record.

[00:43:24] Yeah.

[00:43:24] Yeah.

[00:43:24] I mean, I think that's, I think, I mean, I, I love the back and forths, but I don't

[00:43:29] know.

[00:43:29] I wonder how much they actually like matter.

[00:43:31] I mean, like you get something really flashy, like these with Austin, like, you know, actually,

[00:43:35] you know, let me, there's a whole other thing happening that you didn't know about.

[00:43:37] Like, that's pretty good.

[00:43:38] But beyond that, I mean, like what, what, what really matters in final tribal?

[00:43:43] Really?

[00:43:43] Like what really matters?

[00:43:44] Anything matter?

[00:43:45] Does anything matter anywhere?

[00:43:47] That's such a good, I wasn't prepared to answer.

[00:43:50] That's such an existential question here on the survivor.

[00:43:52] Know-it-alls.

[00:43:53] Yeah.

[00:43:54] We're all just specks of dust, you know, floating in the void.

[00:43:57] Yeah.

[00:43:58] And, and there's very little you can do to sway the jury.

[00:44:01] Yeah.

[00:44:01] So do you feel like that this was a live tribal?

[00:44:04] Um, no, I don't think it was a live tribal.

[00:44:06] Right.

[00:44:06] Like, I mean, what does it, do you think anyone's vote changed?

[00:44:09] You know, Jeff didn't ask that question.

[00:44:11] Uh, and it was a question that he asked in survivor 46.

[00:44:15] And, you know, I don't know if this is fair or unfair to compare the two seasons, but yeah,

[00:44:20] there was like a, you say he changed his vote.

[00:44:23] Is that possible?

[00:44:24] I think five people held up their hands to say they changed their vote at the final tribal

[00:44:28] council.

[00:44:29] Yeah.

[00:44:29] That's wild.

[00:44:30] So yeah, that season, you know, like compared with this season, like it really,

[00:44:36] really was like, I don't know.

[00:44:38] Is this like the reverse mullet year of like, uh, you know, business in the, in the back

[00:44:43] party in the front.

[00:44:47] Um, yeah.

[00:44:50] 46 being like the really, even the final tribal council last season was just, uh, a, like a

[00:44:57] very much more messy affair than this one, which was like very like buttoned up and cordial.

[00:45:04] Where are you on 47?

[00:45:07] Oh, oh, you're so close.

[00:45:09] You should come visit.

[00:45:11] Um, no, where are you on the rankings of 47?

[00:45:14] Uh, you know, in, in the new era.

[00:45:16] Okay.

[00:45:17] In the pantheon.

[00:45:18] And this is, this is so hard to do because there's no right answer to this question, but

[00:45:22] I won't be fency fencer tin, uh, about this.

[00:45:25] And these rankings are not, these are like absolutely written in stone.

[00:45:29] The official ranking.

[00:45:30] Wow.

[00:45:31] Our half.

[00:45:32] Our half is, you know, Rob is about to give it to us.

[00:45:34] Not arbitrary or reductive.

[00:45:35] Okay.

[00:45:36] Deeply considered and official.

[00:45:37] Um, I feel like, and it's hard for me to do cause I, that I can't separate it from

[00:45:42] how fun it is for me to podcast about it every week.

[00:45:45] But, um, yeah, I feel like 40, 46 for me.

[00:45:50] Really?

[00:45:50] Over 45, 45 was my, my number one of the new era.

[00:45:54] Yeah.

[00:45:54] I mean, 45 is very good, but you have to remember, don't forget, like we had two quits

[00:45:59] in the pre-merge in 45.

[00:46:02] Yeah.

[00:46:03] Yeah.

[00:46:04] Yeah.

[00:46:04] Yeah.

[00:46:04] So.

[00:46:05] The pre-merge for 46 was no picnic.

[00:46:08] That's true.

[00:46:08] That's true.

[00:46:09] Some of the worst episodes of survivor ever.

[00:46:11] That's true.

[00:46:12] So, okay.

[00:46:12] But let me, so, but I want to give you an answer and I don't, I don't want to just,

[00:46:16] so let me just say, okay, let's go for, I guess for me, 45 or 47.

[00:46:22] 47 is like what I have to figure out.

[00:46:25] And I feel like that with 47, like we never, we never had low lows, um, you know, but I

[00:46:32] feel like there were fewer like, uh, high highs.

[00:46:36] Yeah.

[00:46:37] And for 45, uh, we did have big moments.

[00:46:40] Um, okay.

[00:46:42] Recency bias in effect.

[00:46:44] Okay.

[00:46:44] 46, 47, 45.

[00:46:48] And then 42, 44, 43, 41.

[00:46:58] Interesting.

[00:46:58] That's pretty good.

[00:46:59] I like it.

[00:47:00] I don't agree with it, but I like it.

[00:47:02] Yeah.

[00:47:02] Okay.

[00:47:02] Do you, do you have like, you know, rankings are, uh, reductive and arbitrary.

[00:47:09] Yeah.

[00:47:10] I can't.

[00:47:10] I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, if I rank something, people are going to be like, I thought rankings

[00:47:14] were arbitrary and reductive.

[00:47:15] Like I can't, I'm, I'm off the hook.

[00:47:17] Yeah.

[00:47:17] No, I mean, if I were to rank in, in, in our, in a very arbitrary and reductive way, it would

[00:47:21] be probably 45, 46, um, uh, 47 or 44.

[00:47:27] I mean, like there's the problem with 47.

[00:47:28] It was a very fun season, but like there weren't like the big highs or like the huge characters

[00:47:32] in the way that you kind of like.

[00:47:34] I think Operation Italy, I think was like the real like pinnacle of the season.

[00:47:38] And you know, with 40, with 44, which I feel like you're under ranking, you know, you had

[00:47:42] like some very, you know, Jam Jam, obviously an extremely fun character and Carolyn, a huge

[00:47:46] character.

[00:47:47] I mean, Carson as well.

[00:47:49] I mean, Danny, you know, the love affair between, between Franny and Matt, you know, you had

[00:47:54] Matthew getting, was Sam climbing the Matthew rock?

[00:47:57] I don't know.

[00:47:58] I would not be climbing any rocks.

[00:48:02] Yeah.

[00:48:03] He was getting like, you know, the, the drone shot on the rock.

[00:48:05] I would be very, I would not agree to the rock.

[00:48:07] You're there, especially the final, you know, final three.

[00:48:10] You're so close.

[00:48:10] You're like, I don't want to get pulled now.

[00:48:12] Yeah.

[00:48:13] Maybe, maybe.

[00:48:13] Yeah.

[00:48:14] But I do think it does speak to the strength of the last couple of seasons that it is hard

[00:48:18] to rank.

[00:48:19] And so like, I think that, um, you know, for better or for worse, they're a little indistinguishable

[00:48:25] sometimes like a year round.

[00:48:26] Yeah.

[00:48:27] Yeah.

[00:48:27] Yeah.

[00:48:27] Yeah.

[00:48:28] Okay.

[00:48:28] Um, all right.

[00:48:30] Let me give you a couple more questions here today, Steven.

[00:48:34] All right.

[00:48:35] How about, uh, Lydia was, is there a defense to not being included in a vote that turned

[00:48:41] out to be a bad move by those who made it?

[00:48:44] It wasn't on this move, but it was a bad one.

[00:48:46] What is that referring to?

[00:48:49] Um, we did operation Italy.

[00:48:54] No, but that was a good move.

[00:48:55] I mean, that was great for the people who pulled it off.

[00:48:57] Yeah.

[00:48:59] Yeah.

[00:49:00] Okay.

[00:49:01] So.

[00:49:02] Oh, maybe, maybe.

[00:49:03] Is that the, um, the blind side of Gabe?

[00:49:07] Sam was in on the gay blind side, wasn't he?

[00:49:09] Was Sam in on the blind side of Gabe?

[00:49:12] Yeah.

[00:49:13] Yes.

[00:49:13] Yeah.

[00:49:15] So.

[00:49:15] Okay.

[00:49:16] Saul, maybe Saul vote out.

[00:49:17] Maybe it was a Saul vote out.

[00:49:18] It probably was.

[00:49:18] Yeah.

[00:49:19] Cause that was terrible for.

[00:49:20] Here's a good question.

[00:49:22] Okay.

[00:49:22] And I think everybody was in on Saul.

[00:49:23] I think that was a total, uh, blind side or a total landslide.

[00:49:27] Um, Megan wants to know if Genevieve and Rachel were both in the final three, who wins?

[00:49:32] I think Genevieve wins.

[00:49:33] Right.

[00:49:34] I think I got the sense that Genevieve was considered the more dominant threat at that

[00:49:37] point.

[00:49:37] Although like in that world, like does, has Rachel played her idol in that spectacular

[00:49:41] fashion?

[00:49:41] Does she have four immunity wins?

[00:49:43] You know, that's like so hard to say.

[00:49:44] I mean, that would be a really interesting competition.

[00:49:46] Yeah.

[00:49:47] I think that Genevieve does win.

[00:49:48] I think that Genevieve ends up being as a player.

[00:49:51] Like, I think that she was kind of like justice savvy as Rachel ends up being.

[00:49:56] But I think as far as like the presentation, I think that she was sort of like a known public

[00:50:01] threat in the same way.

[00:50:02] I think that Sam's game plus Rachel's game equals Genevieve.

[00:50:08] I mean, so she has like the resume, but also is like, Oh, that's the person we need to be

[00:50:13] watching out for from the start.

[00:50:14] And S tier facial reactions.

[00:50:17] Like truly Genevieve has like top tier, like who even is in the pantheon with Genevieve?

[00:50:23] I mean, I know we all love the lies is like big open mouth thing.

[00:50:26] You know, Courtney.

[00:50:27] Yeah.

[00:50:27] Well, Courtney, for sure.

[00:50:29] But those are jury reactions.

[00:50:32] I feel like Genevieve in the moment, they're just always had great facial reaction.

[00:50:35] Very expressive.

[00:50:36] Yeah.

[00:50:37] All right.

[00:50:38] How about Nick Sabetta asks, next season reportedly has the male alternate from Survivor 46.

[00:50:48] Does he repeat Rachel's success or does he end up going out early?

[00:50:51] Now, Rachel.

[00:50:51] Now he has tremendous pressure.

[00:50:53] Rachel was the alternate for season 46 and ends up getting cut close to the end and then

[00:50:58] ends up coming back for 47 and then has great success.

[00:51:01] What do you think about the alternates doing particularly well?

[00:51:06] Well, Rachel had a great answer about it, which is just that, you know, she felt like when

[00:51:10] she was out there for 46 that she needed to be on Survivor.

[00:51:13] But then when she came back for 47, it just, she was just like felt blessed to be there,

[00:51:18] you know, felt really lucky.

[00:51:19] And it wasn't about her needing to be on Survivor.

[00:51:21] It was about her getting to be on Survivor and like getting to have fun with it.

[00:51:23] Like she was playing with house money.

[00:51:25] And I do think that attitude really, really helps when you're on, you know, because then

[00:51:29] you don't have to play a defensive game.

[00:51:30] Then you can really like swing for the fences.

[00:51:32] Then you can like be, you know, thoughtful about what actually matters for your position

[00:51:37] in the game without all that other stuff.

[00:51:39] Like kind of like, you know, oh my gosh, what if I don't do as well as I want?

[00:51:43] What are the people at home thinking?

[00:51:44] If you're just thinking like, what is best for my game right now?

[00:51:46] Like then you're going to be in the best mental state for, for winning the game.

[00:51:51] Do you think it's easier for Survivor to sell people on being the alternate now?

[00:51:55] Exactly.

[00:51:56] This is like a great position.

[00:51:57] It's like, you're basically.

[00:51:58] It's like, hey, this is the test run.

[00:52:00] Yeah, you're an alternate now.

[00:52:00] Austin was an alternate, made it all the way to the end and he did great.

[00:52:03] And like Austin probably would have won if they'd been able to get D out, right?

[00:52:05] Austin played a great game.

[00:52:07] He just played the second best game that season.

[00:52:09] Yeah.

[00:52:10] Okay.

[00:52:10] How about, um, John, what's the legacy of Survivor 47?

[00:52:18] Um, that's an interesting question.

[00:52:19] What do you, what do you, what do you think?

[00:52:21] I think that Rachel's game, I think is hard to replicate in terms of like, I think you might

[00:52:28] see people who say they're going to play like a Rachel, but I think that it's not necessarily

[00:52:32] going to, um, impact Survivor 49.

[00:52:35] I think that the legacy of Survivor 49 is going to be a little bit more about Operation

[00:52:43] Italy.

[00:52:44] And I wonder if there might be more players who in season 49 are looking to find their big

[00:52:52] named, uh, like collaborative move that is going to be like this great moment for them,

[00:53:00] their masterpiece.

[00:53:01] And I wonder if it might end up getting more players screwed up than it might actually work

[00:53:06] again.

[00:53:07] Right.

[00:53:07] I mean, what was successful about Rachel's game was that she was not doing the Operation

[00:53:11] Italy of it all.

[00:53:12] Yeah.

[00:53:13] What do you think of that?

[00:53:14] Do you think that we'll see that this might be an era of collaboration where, uh, players

[00:53:18] might be trying to either solo or in groups of, uh, here's, here's my plan.

[00:53:24] It's called project.

[00:53:28] Minnesota.

[00:53:30] Yeah.

[00:53:31] Project from us.

[00:53:32] Oh my God.

[00:53:34] And we're going to, yeah.

[00:53:35] Um, yeah.

[00:53:37] I mean, that's not a bad guess that, and I'm sure, you know, the producers will be saying,

[00:53:41] you know, remember, remember, remember operation Italy?

[00:53:43] Um, you know, now, you know, Andy just won season 50 and like, my gosh, you know, when

[00:53:47] you see, you got to think about that.

[00:53:49] Yeah.

[00:53:50] So I think that people are going to be like, it's a copycat show.

[00:53:54] I think more people are going to be trying to come back and do that.

[00:53:56] Um, now season 48, they did not see season 47.

[00:54:00] Uh, they did see the end of season 46.

[00:54:03] Do you think that they might be a little bit more likely to, uh, copycat some of the dramatics

[00:54:10] that happened in season 46?

[00:54:12] Well, I mean, we did see, you know, a big reaction with season 47 to season 46.

[00:54:15] And I assume that will continue, right?

[00:54:17] The idea that I have this advantage.

[00:54:19] I need to play it now.

[00:54:20] I want to get this out of my hand.

[00:54:21] I want to use it.

[00:54:22] On the other hand, Rachel really succeeded by not doing that.

[00:54:25] Right.

[00:54:25] So that's kind of what's interesting.

[00:54:26] Like the, the reaction to 46 was, I don't want to go home with an idol.

[00:54:31] I want the single use idol or, or like a two, you know, two, three tribal council idol that

[00:54:34] Gabe had.

[00:54:35] And I, I want this out of my hands so that it's not like too much pressure.

[00:54:38] Um, Gabe had the single use idol.

[00:54:41] There was somebody else with the three.

[00:54:42] Which, which, which, which, which, but used it on the first use.

[00:54:47] No.

[00:54:47] Yes.

[00:54:47] Right.

[00:54:48] Cause then he, he want you at the tie vote.

[00:54:49] He didn't want there to be a tie vote that he would then go home on.

[00:54:51] Um, but, but, um, you know, now I wonder if like, that's the, if the reaction to 47

[00:54:57] is, Oh, you do want to keep your thing secret.

[00:54:59] Cause that's how Rachel excelled.

[00:55:00] She had like her block of vote and she had her, um, idol and she kept them like all the

[00:55:04] way to the end to the perfect moment.

[00:55:05] In the new era, having advantages that nobody knows about has been very successful.

[00:55:10] I mean, it didn't really matter for Sue ultimately, but you know, we saw with, uh, Mary

[00:55:14] Anne and, you know, being able to pull out these idols, like very late stages in the

[00:55:19] game that nobody knows about, uh, is, is very powerful.

[00:55:22] Um, Leah asks, can we revisit Sam's decision to stop at the one tribal idol for the beware

[00:55:29] advantage?

[00:55:29] You know, in the real time, I think we said that, okay, he seemingly has everybody working

[00:55:35] with him.

[00:55:36] There seemed like that there was no danger of detection for him to keep going in hindsight.

[00:55:40] Is that a mistake that Sam ends up taking the more conservative, I can only use this idol

[00:55:46] for one tribal council?

[00:55:47] Well, I mean, I think you can point to anything and say it was a mistake if someone lost,

[00:55:50] right?

[00:55:51] Like you can always imagine a scenario where it would have been better for that person to

[00:55:54] do something different because we know they lost.

[00:55:56] Yeah.

[00:55:56] Um, but in that case, I mean, that was the reaction I was talking about, right?

[00:55:59] I think they all saw 47.

[00:56:01] They don't want to be the person who's blindsided with an idol.

[00:56:03] Um, and so like, let me just get this once and I just need to make it, um, you know,

[00:56:07] a little further in the game.

[00:56:08] And that was whole Sam's whole philosophy, right?

[00:56:09] Was, um, you know, what was it?

[00:56:11] Find a way to find a way.

[00:56:12] So, you know, I think that is, that's just part of his whole thing was just like making

[00:56:19] it to the next round, making it to the next round.

[00:56:22] And, and I think that, that was part of it.

[00:56:24] So ultimately I think that is the drive and that is the sort of mentality that got him to

[00:56:28] the end.

[00:56:28] Now you win him the game, but I don't know.

[00:56:30] I mean, would there have been a perfect moment for Sam to play the idol?

[00:56:33] Maybe, but those are so.

[00:56:34] And he still got to the end.

[00:56:35] So it's hard to say, like, if he goes out where Andy goes out, then you say like, Oh,

[00:56:40] too bad.

[00:56:40] He didn't have an idol, but he probably would have already played it by then.

[00:56:43] So, um, and then if Sam comes into the merge and then Andy is telling people, I think he

[00:56:48] might've been the one person that didn't know, but you know, word gets out that Sam might

[00:56:52] have an idol also.

[00:56:53] So I think that ultimately, um, we can look back and say that he should have kept going,

[00:56:59] but I don't think it ultimately changes his fate.

[00:57:01] Let me give you a couple more.

[00:57:03] Uh, Will Harrington asks, do you think that the strategy will ever change to vote out

[00:57:07] the obvious final tribal goats?

[00:57:11] I mean, it's not a bad idea, you know, cause if they're there, you're not right.

[00:57:15] Like that is not, I mean, we talk, but everyone talks about it, but you never want to pull

[00:57:18] the trigger and like, how do you do it though?

[00:57:21] Cause I've talked about it for years.

[00:57:23] Yeah.

[00:57:23] Um, you just, you just never, you, you gotta have a warrior alliance, you know, you got

[00:57:27] to get that group of, uh, of threats together and actually have it stay together and just

[00:57:32] go for the goats.

[00:57:32] But I don't know.

[00:57:33] It's like every, because the goat, the goats, the votes are so fast and furious on survivor.

[00:57:39] You know, you, you just never feel like you have that time to really contemplate that.

[00:57:43] And I wonder if the faster format actually works against that because, you know, it is

[00:57:48] this like frenetic pace where you're like, well, this is where I, I, you know, you're,

[00:57:51] you have like a few hours to get together a vote.

[00:57:53] You don't have like a day or two.

[00:57:54] Like we used to back in the day, you have like a few, you know, it's, it's votes every

[00:57:59] day.

[00:58:00] Okay.

[00:58:01] Steven.

[00:58:02] And then Colton wants to ask, can't wait to hear Steven's take on how Sam should have

[00:58:05] won, but the anti hot person bias got in the way.

[00:58:09] I wouldn't, I mean, I think Rachel's hot, you know, I think I, you know, you know, but,

[00:58:13] but, um, I'm glad that the anti hot person bias is being, you know, is being talked about.

[00:58:17] So maybe the future audience will do better.

[00:58:19] You brought awareness to it.

[00:58:20] Yeah.

[00:58:20] So your, your job here is done.

[00:58:22] Okay.

[00:58:23] I think your job here in survivor 47 is done too.

[00:58:26] Oh, what a, what a fun season.

[00:58:28] This has been the podcast about Rob.

[00:58:29] Yeah.

[00:58:30] Uh, fun stuff.

[00:58:31] And, uh, we got some fun stuff planned for survivor 48 as we come back for survivor.

[00:58:36] No, it all's in February.

[00:58:39] Wait a second.

[00:58:39] Are you doing a preview of the next season?

[00:58:43] Just like survivor did.

[00:58:45] Am I like, why, why in the finale episode, do they show the trailer for you?

[00:58:50] Should we do the trailer of like, all right, season 47, Rob and Steven, you were great.

[00:58:56] Let's, let's show you a little bit of what Rob and Steven are going to be talking about

[00:58:59] on survivor 48.

[00:59:01] Not to us breaking down episode six of survivor 48.

[00:59:05] Yeah.

[00:59:06] So chocolate milk.

[00:59:08] Really?

[00:59:09] Really?

[00:59:09] What about if you're lactose intolerant?

[00:59:11] Yeah.

[00:59:12] I can't believe that move.

[00:59:14] Big move.

[00:59:14] Oh my God.

[00:59:17] Okay.

[00:59:18] Okay.

[00:59:18] Steven.

[00:59:19] So, uh, a little bit of a break for you.

[00:59:22] What do you have coming up the next couple of months?

[00:59:24] Just working on edits for my novel.

[00:59:26] Novel is coming out in early 2026.

[00:59:28] And that means I have to have it done in early 2025.

[00:59:30] When should people start sleeping outside the bookstore?

[00:59:34] Believe me, you will be hearing about me.

[00:59:35] There's like a nine month pre-order plan, you know?

[00:59:38] So like, you know, nine months out, I'm going to be like, um, banging the gong, so to

[00:59:42] speak for everybody to, um, to, to pre-order my book.

[00:59:45] Mm-hmm.

[00:59:46] Okay.

[00:59:46] All right.

[00:59:46] Yeah.

[00:59:47] So then Steven, you and I, uh, also have, uh, some blood on the clock tower that people

[00:59:55] are going to get to see as well soon.

[00:59:57] Yeah.

[00:59:57] So we're almost done editing, uh, the, the episode two of blood on the clock tower, which

[01:00:01] is very fun.

[01:00:02] And of course we also recently filmed our third episode, which, um, I had very low hopes

[01:00:07] for out of the gate.

[01:00:08] And then it turned into, um, a very, very fun, a very, very fun, um, day of play.

[01:00:13] Okay.

[01:00:13] All right.

[01:00:13] So, uh, those are going to be up on the RHAP YouTube channel.

[01:00:18] We'll keep you posted on when they are dropping Rob's website.com slash YouTube.

[01:00:23] Steven, anything else that you want to highlight?

[01:00:25] Yeah.

[01:00:25] People are asking what's the genre of the novel.

[01:00:26] And I'm, I, so my two favorite types of books are like social satire comedies and jungle

[01:00:32] fillers.

[01:00:32] And so I tried to combine those two into one book.

[01:00:35] So we'll see, we'll see if it was successful.

[01:00:36] You be, you be the judge.

[01:00:38] You be the judge.

[01:00:38] Okay.

[01:00:38] Yeah.

[01:00:39] Uh, check that out.

[01:00:40] Uh, just, uh, a, what a year's time.

[01:00:44] Yeah.

[01:00:45] Okay.

[01:00:45] All right.

[01:00:46] And then we've got our exit interviews with the final four as well.

[01:00:49] Our patron, uh, Q and a, I'll do club condo as well on Monday and check out my

[01:00:54] interview with Adam Klein.

[01:00:56] If you missed it.

[01:00:57] Plus, uh, Steven, I'm later on today, I'm going to be taking a look at beast games.

[01:01:01] Oh, wow.

[01:01:02] That's exciting.

[01:01:03] Is it good?

[01:01:03] Uh, I watched one episode.

[01:01:05] It's, it's, it's, it's wild.

[01:01:06] It's a very squid game ask so far.

[01:01:09] Big game, uh, squid, uh, beast games.

[01:01:12] And you're doing your, uh, your live traders.

[01:01:15] Yeah.

[01:01:16] And then traders, uh, we have season three coming out on January 9th.

[01:01:20] And so we have done myself between myself and Pouya.

[01:01:24] We have recorded, uh, about 14 days of traders preview podcast.

[01:01:30] And tonight we'll be dropping live at 8 PM.

[01:01:32] Our preview of Boston, Rob Mariano.

[01:01:35] How will Boston Rob do on the traders?

[01:01:39] Now, Steven, did you watch any of dealer?

[01:01:40] No deal Island.

[01:01:42] No.

[01:01:42] Okay.

[01:01:42] Well, Rob just last year came out and was phenomenal on dealer.

[01:01:48] No deal Island.

[01:01:49] Will he be able to ride his Dondi success into a new edition of Boston Rob on the traders?

[01:01:58] So we will kick that off.

[01:01:59] Yep.

[01:01:59] Wow.

[01:02:00] And then tomorrow, check out our preview of Carolyn as, uh, we continue on with our survivor

[01:02:06] and big brother players up first.

[01:02:08] You can hear that, uh, right here on Rob is a podcast.

[01:02:11] Make sure you subscribe to our traders podcast feed.

[01:02:14] We know traders.com.

[01:02:16] We'd love to read your comments.

[01:02:18] Would love to hear your thoughts here as we come out of a survivor 47.

[01:02:22] Take care, everybody.

[01:02:23] Have a good one.

[01:02:24] Bye.