Know-It-Alls: Survivor 47 Ep 9

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[00:01:33] night um rob had to take nicole to the doctor she's not feeling well um i wanted to make a joke

[00:01:41] about how he was hobnobbing with the glitterati um but but um you know i felt like accurate

[00:01:47] information was was probably better um so anyway here i am with owen i feel really really lucky to

[00:01:52] be with someone who actually knows how to make it to the end not know how to get votes just like me

[00:01:57] so that's not going to be where kind of the conversation focuses today but owen welcome

[00:02:01] thank you so much for filling in on such short notice of course it's an honor to be here and

[00:02:06] yeah like the chat is saying i was a little upset we didn't get the music but out of respect for rob

[00:02:11] i guess we won't be singing my name in the in the song but next time but yes hopefully nicole is

[00:02:16] feeling better soon and uh yeah very really flattered to receive the call i know rob and i share third

[00:02:22] place uh hopefully we share some strategic acumen and have a nice chat today about a fun episode

[00:02:27] oh yeah yeah yeah we've got the no vote saying you and rob are both third placers there's a lot of

[00:02:31] there's a lot of connections there that kind of like uh knit you very well into this um oh and

[00:02:36] there's a big call in the chat for you to sing the theme song are you right are you up for that

[00:02:39] no one wants that no one wants to hear me sing anything but i was ready to chime in steven and owen

[00:02:45] without a doubt but yeah they can make up the rest we'll we'll get it next time um so dark days

[00:02:51] here on survivor saul voted out i have been you know if i seem a little like stunned or at a loss

[00:02:59] for words i've been kind of like wrestling with this i was very upset last night um how are you

[00:03:05] taking this were you were you a big saul stan owen of course i mean how could i not be you know you we

[00:03:10] don't get a ton of koreans on survivor to begin with and he is just such a amazing person so fun to watch

[00:03:17] his um just like how indignant he was with the whole rome stuff in the pre-merge and just like

[00:03:23] watching him just lose his mind slowly was very entertaining um seems like a great guy so yeah i

[00:03:29] was i was very very upset i know rooting for asians out there somewhere is very upset as well and yeah

[00:03:34] yeah yeah it's just uh and a blue sky account now as well but um yeah just just kind of a bummer but

[00:03:40] it was really fun i thought the scramble was really well edited and it was fun to watch it happen but

[00:03:45] yeah i i am in mourning myself i feel like i you know it's like when the band blows up and you're

[00:03:51] like i used to go see them at like the small club and then they become i feel that way about saul like

[00:03:56] i was in on saul episode one you know it was like at first there was very little of saul to like you

[00:04:01] know really latch on to but like we saw his quads he was a beast in those early challenges i feel like i

[00:04:06] was an early saul adopter and then when i saw you know just like kind of like the pile on from the

[00:04:10] fandom obviously i was happy to see my like favorite band blow up but i felt a little like you know

[00:04:14] you guys are all kind of saul come lately were you you know where were you in the sort of trajectory

[00:04:19] yeah i was an early adopter i'd say as well but it is it's funny yeah it's like i liked saul before

[00:04:24] it was cool to do that it's like we're like saul hipsters right but um i remember seeing his

[00:04:29] profession and being intrigued by it because famously gabler was also a medical device rep and uh it is an

[00:04:35] interesting career it's not one you see a lot on the show i know a lot of people thought gabler lied

[00:04:40] to everyone and said he was a doctor but i knew the whole time that he was in kind of the

[00:04:44] biomedical engineering device world and i thought that could translate well because clearly it did on

[00:04:49] my season and yeah he just seemed like a really interesting fella like reading his interviews

[00:04:53] um you know his age at this point in the game it's it's like like someone in their 40s is not

[00:04:59] something you see as frequently on the show which is kind of a shame i know i know must make you feel

[00:05:04] geriatric but yeah but uh yeah i thought he'd have a great perspective and i was really bummed early in

[00:05:11] the season when we weren't getting a ton of him yeah well so let's talk about the move last night

[00:05:15] because that's like this is like you know it was this it was this crazy thing that i mean watching

[00:05:20] that tribal council i truly i mean when it was so chaotic and they couldn't decide on kyle versus sue

[00:05:25] i kind of thought okay like there's no definitive plan in place and gabe seems very chill right now so at

[00:05:31] that point i kind of thought that saul was probably going but did you have a sense going into that tribal

[00:05:37] of you know what was going to go down like where were you you know where was your take

[00:05:41] yeah i was actually extremely nervous for saul like you said there didn't seem to be a definitive

[00:05:46] plan b and like counter option and then i was reading a little too much into the edit of the show itself

[00:05:52] when i noticed um i thought sue and kyle's confessionals looked too bright to be from that

[00:05:59] evening so i thought sue and kyle had been interviewed the next day and were being asked about the previous

[00:06:05] day's proceedings and i was like uh-oh saul's cooked because i don't see a confessional of him

[00:06:09] in the broad daylight um so i don't know if that was me trying to galaxy brain what was going on but

[00:06:14] but apparently like correctly like the galaxy brain did did figure it out yeah for once it worked out but

[00:06:20] yeah i was nervous because like you said i i think that you really made a good point that there wasn't a

[00:06:25] definitive uh you know option and just the the fluid nature of what was happening i think would have

[00:06:31] made it a lot harder for the flip to happen um and from saul's exit press i was hearing him say he found

[00:06:37] out from sam that his name was out there just 10 minutes before they left so that is no time whatsoever

[00:06:43] in survivor when you have to juggle a lot of conversations you're trying to get a coalition

[00:06:47] together and uh yeah i was i was worried i was very worried yeah rob had a great interview with saul uh

[00:06:53] well worth checking out so i had a lot of like insight and perspective but so so like among those

[00:06:57] things he just you know he never said and i wondered this you know do you think like if they

[00:07:03] had been able to settle on a name which is so hard in that like very brief time you know could that have

[00:07:08] gotten the plan together like that's the question i'm so curious about because it seemed like in that

[00:07:13] tribal council scramble so much of it was is it kyle is it can is it you know is it sue and then

[00:07:19] like the narrative that i kind of saw unfolding was okay you know let's just settle on saul because we

[00:07:26] don't really have like a definitive distinct plan like if we can't even decide between kyle and sue

[00:07:32] you know let's like we don't have anything like so we kind of have to stick with this majority now

[00:07:39] the salt like kind of suggested but didn't outright say that like he was the vote you know

[00:07:44] like it was going to be him and all the rest of it was smoke but i do wonder you know it seemed like

[00:07:49] sam was genuine it seemed like teeny was genuine like i don't know was andy really in the middle

[00:07:53] there was rachel you know do you think if they really had been able to settle on a name like

[00:07:58] that plan could have come together or was that always a decoy plan i i think there was a chance

[00:08:05] i think there was a chance andy and rachel may have flipped but i think not having a definitive name

[00:08:11] cemented that it wasn't going to happen my perception was rachel and andy were in that swing position and it

[00:08:16] seems like they both have started to foster a relationship with genevieve and her being the driver of

[00:08:22] this i think they saw themselves in a better position to stay with the numbers there and yeah

[00:08:27] just not having uh a solid counter plan just was kind of the nail in the coffin for the the sol

[00:08:33] uprising with teeny and sam uh so it was a bummer but i i think props to andy for executing his flip

[00:08:38] last week and uh sticking with it and finding himself in this power position to where he's got some

[00:08:43] flexibility and people wanting to work with him and kind of jockeying for him as a vote

[00:08:48] and um i don't know if i'm jumping ahead here but i i was a little shocked by how andy centric

[00:08:53] the edit was in the beginning of the episode it's it really seems like he's kind of turning in or he

[00:08:58] has been the main character of the season and i'm so curious where it is going to lead because to me

[00:09:04] you know it was easy to write him off after the first episode and his little meltdown after the

[00:09:08] challenge and the not clapping for the coconut and i i personally wrote him off as a potential winner

[00:09:13] back in episode one but we're seeing this sort of redemptive story being told and i i know you're

[00:09:19] a big uh novel guy i'm curious your take on on where this this might be leading for andy too yeah i'm

[00:09:25] having the same thoughts owen like part of me like i've so been locked into this idea of andy as a like

[00:09:30] a loser in the finals where um you know he gets there he's a huge character but like he just like is

[00:09:37] doesn't get the respect from the jury you know and and even um when they when he was even at the start

[00:09:42] of this episode you know you have i think it was teeny saying you know thanks andy for voting with

[00:09:46] us and he's like yeah it was a team effort you know you you keep on having andy you know you know

[00:09:51] same thing with like when like um whoever it was said like who did this and and um uh oh my gosh

[00:09:57] who was sam yeah well sam raises his hand um annika is voted out and says like who did this

[00:10:03] and um sam raises his hand and then he was like you know it was me too it was us three it was all

[00:10:07] yeah exactly like you keep on seeing him being like hello i'm part of this too i've like assumed

[00:10:12] he's not getting the credit for it but that being said you know watching season 43 i was totally

[00:10:21] blinded to the gabler because of the gabler at all because of like the kookiness in that first episode

[00:10:25] with him playing his like you know single use idol you know because of the palm fronds and the

[00:10:31] shelter which i still think is one of the craziest things i've ever seen on the show um so i was like

[00:10:35] there's no way this guy like and he was just like gabler you know like there's no way this guy is

[00:10:39] winning and then he did and so like does does andy have gabler upside there's a chance i mean crazier

[00:10:46] things have happened but i i think i mean i'm with you and and we would know a thing or two about

[00:10:51] zero vote finalist edits right like it doesn't like he's he's a good storyteller he's got an

[00:10:56] interesting perspective i think he's got this interesting combination of both cerebral analogies

[00:11:01] and like analyze analyst analysis there you go of the game with this like kind of emotional uh

[00:11:08] insecure back and forth that you can see him battling with so i think it makes for really

[00:11:13] interesting television but it's it's so hard because i i was of the opinion that no one took gabler

[00:11:17] seriously and then you know you saw my job on hinge so it's it's not out of the realm of possibility

[00:11:23] um but it's been interesting to see it was really with the the flashbacks with rachel where i was like

[00:11:28] whoa they are really focusing on this rachel andy coming back together and i think that was probably

[00:11:34] part of the reason why this move was so uh hinged on them i think i think they wanted to highlight that

[00:11:39] the two of them could maybe find some common ground and then potentially be a force moving forward as we

[00:11:44] get into kind of the end game here yeah i was interested because like in that even in that like

[00:11:48] that sort of like flashback you know when rachel was narrating it she was like yeah you know like

[00:11:52] andy wanted to work with me for a while and then i wanted to work with him and we just never

[00:11:55] connected like she we never saw her wanting to work with him we never like that felt like she was

[00:12:00] gaslighting the viewers like you're just lying to me at this point yeah you seemed pretty not keen

[00:12:04] about him waking you up in the middle of the night to be comforted like you weren't about that yeah

[00:12:09] well let's talk about rachel here because i'm furious no we know one of our 49 laws of survivor power

[00:12:16] that rob and i did like you know 600 years ago was like gratitude is going to get you nowhere in

[00:12:21] survivor so obviously saul gave rachel the sort of get out of jail free card you know safety without

[00:12:28] power where she got to leave tribal council looked by all accounts looks like she was going to get

[00:12:32] voted out and then tiana got voted out instead um do you feel like rachel being so quick to jump on

[00:12:38] this and it did position her really as the swing vote right andy and rachel were the swing votes had

[00:12:42] they said no this probably would not have happened um did rachel give in too soon to an ally or

[00:12:48] is this a reasonable move once she sees sierra voted out of the game and her herself left out

[00:12:52] of the last vote i think it's reasonable um it's hard because obviously we love saul we like rachel

[00:12:58] we want to see our faves working together but i think objectively something that separates a really

[00:13:03] excellent survivor player is being able to cut those emotions out of the game and and look at the big

[00:13:08] picture and not get too focused in on one relationship i know that's something i personally

[00:13:12] struggled with you know i was like loyal to a fault and uh you really need to be able to cut bait and just

[00:13:18] and just move forward and see the next couple moves ahead um so yeah i don't think it was too fast um

[00:13:24] i think it shows that she's she's shrewd and she can analyze the whole situation um but it doesn't make

[00:13:30] it not a bummer and i wish we had seen her hemming and hawing about it a little bit more and i'm sure

[00:13:35] she did internally she seems like a really nice person but i will say i did i did chuckle a bit when

[00:13:40] saul is trying to scramble and he's like please i helped you out and like he didn't really like

[00:13:46] try to tug at the heartstrings very much it just felt very quick and objective and just like hey

[00:13:50] quick reminder do you think he should have twisted the knife a little bit more i i think he maybe

[00:13:55] should have tried at least just like rachel please i'm begging you like you know i helped you out i

[00:14:00] really want to work with you you know i maybe he did and we didn't see it but it did make me laugh

[00:14:05] a little bit it just it felt almost so defeated just like i helped you out could you please please

[00:14:11] vote with me it's just like oh man poor guy you could tell he was just like he was he was frazzled

[00:14:17] is saul an anti-rachel juror now because like you know there's nothing that motivates like hatred in

[00:14:24] the jury house than this feeling of being betrayed and like i guess like he's got like you know

[00:14:29] betrayed by quite a few people here i mean saul's secret agents is the worst alliance in the history of

[00:14:34] the show like doesn't even last an episode you know like in fact those are the people who

[00:14:38] immediately turn on him like do not you know he should not have hired those people he's a bad

[00:14:43] hiring manager yeah yeah saul's angels saul's secret asians whatever you want to call it it just did not

[00:14:50] it did not work out and um at the same time though i don't think he'll be a bitter juror i think it's

[00:14:56] harder to be when what nine people vote you out you know he can't just be mad at one person for

[00:15:01] cementing his fate um if anything if he sniffs out that genevive was kind of the main driver of

[00:15:08] that maybe he'd be pissed at her because i heard him say in his exit interview that uh his ideal final

[00:15:13] three was with genevive and teeny and he wanted the lavos to to make it all the way to the end i

[00:15:18] don't know exactly what his vision was there but um i i think he could be he could be crossed with

[00:15:24] genevive and and that i i guess as we skipped over this before do you think it was the right move

[00:15:29] for genevive no i want to ask you that question no i don't want to have to answer that question

[00:15:33] it's a very tricky question um so so this is interesting in um in rob's interview with saul

[00:15:40] he says that in that sort of tribal council scramble he you know we see him only get up one

[00:15:45] time he got up three times there's a lot more movement of course like it's all condensed um but

[00:15:50] he said that like in the last time i think that teeny was the one to tell him that hey this was genevive's

[00:15:56] plan and then he says you know let's all write down genevive and teeny was like no we can't write

[00:16:00] down genevive i think because it was just like there was just no traction there basically um so

[00:16:06] saul so saul said that you know the story that we're we were given was that genevive you know was

[00:16:12] this is like revenge for rome and i you know which is like what a what a silly story i mean

[00:16:17] it was very funny like if that were the case but you know and we've seen that that kind of attitude

[00:16:22] work out very successfully you know natalie anderson famously you know basically won her season as

[00:16:27] revenge for jeremy um but but um and her twin sister well right right right yeah um the the

[00:16:35] my read on this so so anyway so so saul said that what he really believes was happening

[00:16:41] was that genevive you know saw that he had like a lot of different connections like everybody's name

[00:16:47] was being floated out but but nobody was saying his name he was friends with everybody i mean we

[00:16:51] certainly saw that you know uh in the episode you know in the episodes were like you know kyle sang

[00:16:56] saul's his favorite person you know he's got this the secret relationship with andy a secret

[00:17:00] relationship with rachel um you know he said he had a great relationship with gabe uh obviously none of

[00:17:05] these relationships were that great because everyone that's secret yeah yeah exactly because everyone

[00:17:10] voted voted him out but um i you know my read is that this is a not good move for genevieve you know

[00:17:19] you know you look back at survivor kagayan right and you've got this like final you know this this

[00:17:24] three-person group of the brains tribe they're flipping back and forth between the alliances

[00:17:28] you know everybody wants to work with them and then um one of them turns on the others and then

[00:17:35] all three of them are on the jury you know none of them make it to the end and that's kind of the

[00:17:39] trajectory i see here like i i mean although i teeny still my winner pick so i i just see this blowing

[00:17:44] up in genevieve's face you know i think this is for a few reasons like first of all i think that she

[00:17:50] was insulated by having this like three-person lava group right and and it really did seem like

[00:17:56] everyone still kind of wanted to work with the lavas you know sam obviously has his lava vendetta

[00:18:00] but it did seem like they kind of were the locus of power and you know we've seen a lot you know

[00:18:04] we just saw in season 44 with that trio of of jam jam carson and carolyn um you know maybe they were

[00:18:11] a little bit more like stealthy as a trio than the lava group but you know you really could see them

[00:18:16] you know operating well and you have sol saying i wanted this as my final three like i think it is

[00:18:21] a bad idea to vote out people who want you in their final three right you want to have people with you

[00:18:26] who want to move you further in the game and especially at this point in the game right where like

[00:18:30] there's still a lot of game left to play there's a lot of people left in the game it's it's it's 10

[00:18:35] right it's the final 10 like you know you vote out the big threat who's going to screw you over

[00:18:39] you know for votes at like the final five you know and also because uh it makes genevieve a huge player

[00:18:46] you know this happened to emily flippen right like as soon as she like you know has her big moment and

[00:18:50] like blindsides bruce she's gone next because it's like emily is is this big threat and you have

[00:18:55] gave in this episode saying hey this is all her move this is all genevieve's move you know we see you

[00:18:59] know the fact that genevieve like cobbles together this plan you know from from everybody and like

[00:19:05] flips on her ally i'm not thinking like that makes genevieve a great ally you know that's not my

[00:19:10] takeaway i think genevieve is is like maybe the next to be voted out and if not like she's not long for

[00:19:15] this game well what's what's your perspective no i i agree with a lot of what you're saying i i think

[00:19:19] it reminded me a little bit of uh soda and tevin on 46 you know it seemed a little early um it it shows

[00:19:26] genevieve can build a coalition it shows that she's willing to cut an ally it shows she's persuasive

[00:19:31] um although i did laugh when kyle said i don't think genevieve's much of a thinker

[00:19:35] um that was that was that was really good but i think a lot of people picked up on the fact that

[00:19:41] genevieve was kind of the the conductor behind the the train here today and um it's scary i think it

[00:19:47] does leave her a bit exposed and if the whole like basis of her pitch about uh targeting saul is that

[00:19:54] he is well liked by everyone i feel like that makes him a shield for her and uh like you said

[00:19:58] lava was in a pretty good spot it seemed like they were kind of being jockeyed for for votes and if

[00:20:05] people decided to turn on lava she could have always tried to get it on soul once she felt that

[00:20:10] they were in trouble um right so yeah i think overall it's it's could be a game winning move but

[00:20:15] it's it's so early like there's a lot of game left and a lot of rounds left and now the question is

[00:20:21] you know what's gonna happen but i was trying to draw a little like alliance chart and see what was

[00:20:26] like oh this is good thank you thank you and um my handwriting's terrible but i guess i'll just show

[00:20:30] the camera real quick but like yeah yeah but i put genevieve in the middle like teeny obviously that

[00:20:37] relationship is gone but it seems like she's got relationships with andy and rachel she spent all

[00:20:42] that time with sue like she does have some people that could have her back moving forward but now

[00:20:48] there's this big like you know red flag it's like well saul thought she genevieve was good with him

[00:20:53] so why would she keep me now so it's it's tricky i think objectively like just looking at it it's it's

[00:20:59] probably safest to say like yeah that might have been a little early and a little bold but it's not

[00:21:05] just her fault is the thing like it was a nine person vote so there is some opportunity for her to

[00:21:09] kind of deflect and like remind people that it's like you know we all were in on this but i feel like

[00:21:15] she got like full credit for that i mean she pushed it you know she sold it you know ever

[00:21:19] you look at that like that gabe scene he's like this is this is her you know the you know it's

[00:21:26] so interesting to me with these new era players always turning on their allies i really believe

[00:21:31] that the best thing that happened to kenzie last season was failing to vote out tiffany you know i

[00:21:35] think if kenzie had voted out tiffany successfully as as she wanted like kenzie loses um so you know what is

[00:21:43] it owen like like you're a new era player um what's the deal but although you were part of so so i

[00:21:49] i wonder like is it partially this three trot so this um this shorter this shorter season like

[00:21:55] do you have like less of a bond with these people so you don't feel that same sense of connection

[00:22:00] but you you know you were part of the baka boys a great alliance that made it all the way through

[00:22:04] um you know and obviously so much of what we perceive as alliances like maybe we're wrong right we see

[00:22:10] hey they're the law of 03 they've all they're all wearing the same color clothes obviously they're

[00:22:14] an alliance but like maybe that's just a misperception you know maybe genevieve sees like

[00:22:18] my real alliance is these people like what what's what's your take on why why all the pressure in

[00:22:23] the new era to blindside your best allies yeah i mean i think a lot of the meta around the new era

[00:22:29] has been big moves and like taking ownership of moves i remember being a little surprised during 46

[00:22:34] with how uh open everyone was in conversation and in confessionals about like who owns this i want to

[00:22:41] own one like i need my my fingerprints on a move um and then i think there is something to be said

[00:22:46] about like the amount of time you have you know there's there's far fewer down days uh in the

[00:22:51] post-merge i think maybe we had one like day with no challenge or nothing happening in the post-merge

[00:22:56] and you get a couple in the pre-merge and you it's it's a lot of the devil you know versus the devil

[00:23:01] you don't situation and uh with how early you merge and that there's only maybe five tribals before

[00:23:06] the merge um if your tribe only goes to one tribal like mine did there hasn't been a lot of

[00:23:12] opportunities to build or break trust with people and you only have a very limited sample size to go

[00:23:18] off of and i was in the position where um you know we had a 5-1 vote at our first tribal council and

[00:23:24] then we never once again and these people had not given me any reason to distrust them and certainly

[00:23:29] i was wary or less wary of certain people um based on just like my perception of them as players but

[00:23:35] they they hadn't done anything necessarily to uh break my trust so i think that is a difference with

[00:23:41] genevieve and saul it's like she's perceiving that saul did break her trust and vote out uh

[00:23:45] rome and even though i believe she went along with it you know that she i think she said herself she's

[00:23:51] petty she's acting petty in in this game and i i'm kind of here for that energy i think it's hilarious and

[00:23:56] and fun um but is it objectively the like best way to move forward that's that's tough to say

[00:24:03] yeah i mean i love that quote that she had about like and you know i i was my name came up in our

[00:24:07] first tribal council i've got a license to kill and i do think there's something to that of like you see

[00:24:11] your name being written and you're like oh this could be me i like every i have to play hard and

[00:24:16] i can't feel bad for it being somebody else because like if it's some unless it's you know if it's if it's

[00:24:21] not somebody else that it's then it's me then it's me going home yeah no i love that i love that

[00:24:26] you're somebody though who you know you get to the end without that resume right like that was

[00:24:31] obviously your story is like i never had my signature move like do you have like any empathy

[00:24:35] for genevieve just from that perspective of you know you do need to like have something you did

[00:24:41] a hundred percent yeah yeah you certainly want to have an impact on the game i think it's i mean i

[00:24:47] i think it's rachel in a secret scene she was saying like i'm just sick of being left out of

[00:24:52] things like it's really demoralizing being there and just feeling like you're treading water and um

[00:24:58] you know all of your efforts and all the starvation have been for naught and you're just like oh like

[00:25:03] even if i keep lasting like what's what's gonna happen i'm gonna i'm gonna get coming third woo

[00:25:08] like i i even remember like when cassidy took me to the final tribal she's like i'm gonna bring

[00:25:12] owen to the end i was like hooray like i was just like okay cool like

[00:25:17] it's it's hard that breakfast that final day breakfast is good breakfast was goaded the

[00:25:22] breakfast was incredible that that was that was really nice million dollar breakfast um yeah so

[00:25:27] yeah i i can 100 empathize with people wanting to to make their mark on the game but um that that

[00:25:32] brings into the whole conversation about big movesitis and you know are you doing something

[00:25:36] just for the sake of making a move or are you thinking a couple steps ahead um and i'm not i'm not

[00:25:47] doubt that she has thought about the ramifications of this and uh we saw her after

[00:25:51] saul's torch got snuffed that uh she's like holy shit that worked like she's she's like thinking and and

[00:25:59] i'm sure she's got a vision for how she wants it to go she was well aware that teeny was going to hate

[00:26:05] her after this and um i'm sure she has contingencies and a plan moving forward but um it is a little

[00:26:11] it is a little scary because i i would certainly be threatened by genevieve out there if i was on the

[00:26:16] beach with her um yeah yeah let's talk about the one part aspect of this that we haven't discussed

[00:26:21] yet which was sam a very funny scene where rachel goes to sam and says you know sam don't don't blow

[00:26:29] up my game and sam goes away and says i'm gonna go blow up what like what do you make of sam's choice

[00:26:35] so the the structure of that was like rachel goes to him and says like i can't tell you who it is

[00:26:39] it's not you don't vote and then then he correctly guesses that it's saul which was a great moment

[00:26:45] and um and then you know he and rachel says like don't vote for saul because then you'll blow up my

[00:26:52] spot um which like i thought was interesting from rachel's perspective because like you're putting

[00:26:58] him in a really tough position because that means he has to vote for someone who's still going to be in

[00:27:03] the game like maybe he could vote for rachel you know like um or maybe he plays a shot in the dark

[00:27:08] in that in that spot um but it's a really like difficult choice and then he kind of like goes into

[00:27:13] overdrive um we'd seen sam earlier in the episode kind of being really upset at like this feeling of

[00:27:19] not having a place in the game you know sierra being voted out means like suddenly he has you know this is

[00:27:24] sort of what we're talking about right this feeling of not having agency in the game like this feeling

[00:27:28] like you you want to be controlling things but aren't um what what um what's your take did did like

[00:27:34] give me your thoughts about like how sam handled that yeah well i think time played a factor for

[00:27:40] sure so he probably didn't have a lot of time to mull it over and i heard in saul's interview him

[00:27:44] saying there was also this like conversation about a fake idol pass off between sam and saul that was

[00:27:50] happening concurrently while this was happening but i think sam's calculus probably very quickly was

[00:27:56] like do am i willing to kind of turn on rachel here and break her trust a bit to try to pick up

[00:28:01] saul and teeny and by his extension he thought maybe genevieve as well um so i think he was probably

[00:28:07] thinking like pulling the the lever on the trolley car problem to maybe swap his relationship with

[00:28:13] rachel for potentially with a relationship with all three lavo members um because i my perception was

[00:28:19] that he was unaware that genevieve was the one that was really fully pushing saul and he thought he

[00:28:24] was helping lavo out by doing this and it's like oh tuku's trying to get y'all um so that was that

[00:28:30] was my read on the situation but i think a lot of it just had to do with how fast everything was

[00:28:34] happening um but yeah i empathized with sam a lot in this episode um you know it was i'm sure a couple

[00:28:40] people laughed when he was like crying a little bit like after he lost the immunity challenge but i

[00:28:45] thought it was very earnest no i'm glad to hear you say that because yeah it's really frustrating and

[00:28:49] you you hate feeling like your back's against the wall and your fate isn't in your own hands and

[00:28:53] um it must have been really nice to get his vote back at least to feel like he had a voice in it

[00:28:57] um and i thought it was hilarious when he was having that conversation he's like there's no hard

[00:29:02] feelings towards andy and he said it but then his face is like like in this like no hard feelings at

[00:29:09] all yeah sure i believe you dude um so yeah it was funny that he was saying at the start of the episode

[00:29:15] like like i'm gonna get revenge on lavo and like these are like i'm like committed to like you know my

[00:29:21] revenge and um and then like at the end of the episode he is like scrambling to save a lavo member

[00:29:27] yeah and and really the person who had been pushing for sierra last episode right right it is funny how

[00:29:32] quick you can turn but that that's that's the game you know you get new information and you try to

[00:29:36] figure out how that can benefit you moving forward and i i don't i don't hate the move but obviously it

[00:29:43] did not work out in his favor now rachel is going to be way less trusting of him and um i think really his

[00:29:49] his main lifeline now is andy who does not seem all that keen on working with him so i i think sam is

[00:29:55] in a pretty tough spot um i i i'm worried for him yeah i i don't see him lasting too much longer

[00:30:02] see i feel like sam has some upside because i do i mean i think you're right that he's kind of like a

[00:30:07] lone person now so you know maybe he's easy to pick off he like seems like vaguely threatening

[00:30:11] um but i kind of think like a lot of his like danger has been like somewhat neutered where like you

[00:30:17] know when he lost um you know losing his his psychic sierra you know he and rachel don't seem

[00:30:21] to have like a great operating relationship you know like who is i maybe andy still feel some

[00:30:27] kind of way about him but like who's targeting sam you know maybe the votes will land on him because

[00:30:33] you know there's like it's easy who's protecting two coos yeah and then um but i do wonder like

[00:30:39] who's actually going to go for him it doesn't seem like he had he's like a huge immediate um

[00:30:44] that's true too and i might be a little like uh blinded by my own season it's a little reminiscent

[00:30:50] of me with uh like he's the janine now where ellie got voted out they were a strong pair and then

[00:30:56] janine is just down in the dumps she's lost her idol she's lost her number one all she really has

[00:31:01] is like me who was not 100 locked in with her and everyone just voted her out i think it was nine to two

[00:31:07] that round but you know we are in the final nine now there's there's a lot of room like all you need

[00:31:12] is five unless jeff pulls some more lost vote mischief um but yeah you could see a situation

[00:31:19] where he's an easy number to scoop up um but i guess it just depends on on how the how the game

[00:31:25] goes obviously and like if they want to like just punt and just take out an easy number as long as

[00:31:31] it's not me and get rid of sam or if a group of four sees an opportunity there i just i'm just

[00:31:36] trying to struggling trying to think like who he has like tight relationships with like maybe if

[00:31:41] andy and rachel like if this continues with them they bring in sam maybe a genevieve maybe um you

[00:31:49] know genevieve and sue maybe then caroline like and they go after kyle or gay i don't know who knows

[00:31:54] well that's like all the animosity seems to be intertribal now you know presumably there's going to be

[00:31:58] some teeny you know genevieve rivalry now but also like the real heat is in the tuku tribe so let's like

[00:32:04] which i love that conversation or i mean i thought it was terrible you know but it was funny but like

[00:32:09] you know where sue and genevieve were talking and sue's like we got to turn on kyle kyle's the real

[00:32:13] enemy and he's like no saul's the enemy you know they're just like why why they're like they're

[00:32:19] trying so desperately to like settle these old scores and like totally lost sight of the game in front of

[00:32:23] them you know kyle's not gunning for sue like not at all like why because you wrote your name down

[00:32:28] once oh like a week and a half ago yeah um so like what are your thoughts on on that and

[00:32:34] like well let's talk about let's let's talk about the tukus so um i thought that you know gabe seemed

[00:32:41] to handle it very well you know i thought that you know he obviously won immunity you know but in terms

[00:32:45] of keeping his alliance kind of chilling together you know we saw him at tribal council with kyle

[00:32:50] looking very nervous understandably i'm good yeah right you're good you're good um what is your take

[00:32:56] on sort of where that relate like that alliance is going because it seems like like the greatest source

[00:33:01] of hatred right now is sue to kyle a hundred percent and it seems like gabe is just trying to

[00:33:07] broker peace the best he can and like reassure everyone that they are together and um that might

[00:33:13] be identifiable by the other people in the game seeing that gabe is kind of the linchpin between

[00:33:18] the pair of sue and caroline to kyle and that if they take gabe out then you know tuku's done you know

[00:33:25] then it's just a pair and and the challenge beast left and that's easy to to you know make moves

[00:33:30] against um so yeah i think he did a really nice job i mean that that scramble must have been

[00:33:35] terrifying for kyle i mean i'm sure he thought he was going to catch some heat maybe he heard his name

[00:33:40] but at the very least just winning three necklaces although one was on a technicality sorry kyle but um

[00:33:46] you know it's it's an obvious threat you've seen it a million times where people like

[00:33:50] you know joe or hunter or whoever um just people who win a lot just get picked off as soon as they

[00:33:57] lose so it's it's honestly a little bit of a miracle that that didn't happen um and i think gabe is is a

[00:34:03] really like i wasn't sure what to make of gabe at first you know i i thought in the beginning it's

[00:34:09] like okay this guy wants to be the villain but i think he really is a really empathetic and like uh

[00:34:14] has good emotional reads on people and is able to kind of um cater to what people are looking for

[00:34:21] and and play into their perceptions and so um i think he's done a really nice job although his his

[00:34:27] dancing skills could use a little work i think and the necklace the necklace falling off mid ray

[00:34:32] lewis dance kind of uh kind of made it flop a tiny bit now that would have been better if it had

[00:34:37] stayed on see i was not able to identify that i had to be informed uh i think i think dalton told me

[00:34:41] that it was a that it was a sports a sports thing i had no idea what that was sports ball reference

[00:34:45] yeah um so yeah i mean what what let's talk about speaking of of losing votes we were speaking about

[00:34:52] it at some point let's talk about the challenge so uh really did you guys have the the paris

[00:34:57] challenge in your season we had it at 12 this is when um gabler won the the forearm oh right

[00:35:03] yeah right giving thanks to everybody yep yep this minutes for idaho etc yeah yeah yeah that was

[00:35:08] it was a great moment um what's what's the strategy here like what was uh what was your

[00:35:13] oh and i don't remember anything about your season it's okay yeah most people don't it's a point yeah

[00:35:18] it's all blur um we drew rocks because i i wanted to pick sammy um because i felt like uh he and i would

[00:35:26] be good in a you know at a two on two on two on two challenge and then i felt like i was better at

[00:35:31] puzzles than him and i could beat him in certain physical things if it wasn't brute strength um but then

[00:35:37] everyone else was like ah let's just draw rocks i was like you freaking nerds like it's like

[00:35:42] so i actually quite enjoyed watching everyone um like publicly pick their people and then in

[00:35:50] confessional give their reasoning behind it and it's all kind of this oh that's funny that's yeah

[00:35:54] yeah they like ex post facto are like arguing what like what why they made their choice yeah and i like

[00:36:00] the duality of it where it's like really nice on the surface and they're like yeah let's go buddy and

[00:36:05] then in the confessional it's like yeah i could kick his ass in the challenge you know i i thought it

[00:36:08] was really it was cool um so i i prefer that method i i was bummed when we did not do that on my season

[00:36:14] um but then you get to the challenge and it's like this like cvs receipt of addendums to the rules of

[00:36:21] this challenge and i was just like jesus christ like yeah can we just like run a challenge um i mean i'm

[00:36:27] glad i guess i'm glad only one person lost their vote and i did like the mechanics of it i thought it was

[00:36:32] kind of an interesting way to do it although i saw someone i think on blue sky saying they wished

[00:36:37] it had been some sort of like there was a more of a strategic element to the game that could have

[00:36:42] created some friction or confusion and it's like do you gang up on someone or like are are does it show

[00:36:49] some sort of cracks uh in people's relationships i don't know what did you think of the the

[00:36:54] functionality of it yeah that's a good point i mean when when first he said four people are

[00:36:58] going to lose their votes i was like oh my god no please like just give us normal travel counsel

[00:37:02] yeah but it but it ended up being not so bad with one person losing their vote and it actually like

[00:37:08] i you know it actually had a kind of interesting impact on the game at first i was annoyed you

[00:37:13] know you have this quote um from from um genevieve i think it was genevieve like it's really impossible

[00:37:21] to pitch a plan when you have no idea the ingredients that are going into the plan

[00:37:24] and like that was kind of like i was like yes this is why new era is so conservative like people

[00:37:29] can't plan because everything is so in flux all the time and that's why we see like just like standard

[00:37:34] vote outs happening i was obviously wrong um because that's not what happened but but um you know so

[00:37:39] so ultimately i thought it was cool what happened where you know they do have this plan in place

[00:37:46] and then they kind of have to adapt to the question of who loses their vote so great that it ended up

[00:37:53] being caroline who lost her vote because that meant that the whole right like the easy kind of

[00:37:58] tuku group that could come together to form a majority didn't come together and they had to

[00:38:02] include people like andy and rachel who were you know more on the um you know more in the middle

[00:38:08] there and i agree it added a lot of like fun tension in terms of the actual like the the jenga of

[00:38:13] it all or like the reverse jenga of it all like the game itself it was fine i mean i hear you that

[00:38:18] it would have been better if it had been like some other strategy thing but honestly it might

[00:38:22] have been too much then you have to have like professionals about like why i'm choosing this

[00:38:25] person and like it's like you know you've got this whole chaotic episode around you like i don't

[00:38:31] need too much of like the strategy of like the mini game within the game yeah um you know and if it

[00:38:36] had been a dud episode maybe i would have like wished for that but but i think you want like player

[00:38:41] choice as much as possible and like here we didn't even get to see like who was next like why they

[00:38:46] arranged themselves the way they did um but it didn't bug me i mean i guess like abstractly yes

[00:38:52] i would prefer one where we got to see like people having like strategic conversations versus one the

[00:38:56] one where we didn't but in the moment i was like all right yeah i didn't hate it i didn't hate it and

[00:39:01] um quick quick insert here like caroline is like the most positive person alive i know it was so cute

[00:39:07] she's like oh man like when when rachel got that shaky one she's like epic that was epic she just

[00:39:12] sounds so earnest and nice and just like it's funny because like her resting face isn't as smiley as

[00:39:18] like when she's talking and so i i don't know i just it's i feel like she could make some like her

[00:39:23] edit is obviously a little bit on the on the lighter side but um she's someone that i'm keeping an eye on

[00:39:29] because she seems really analytical and smart and like people would want to keep her around i think just

[00:39:34] because she is so positive but yeah like a pleasant person to be around who's going to make like

[00:39:39] rational decisions like that's exactly even if they're against you that's kind of like who you

[00:39:43] want in a game like 100 yeah you want people that you can at least understand why they are doing things

[00:39:49] and i i felt like i i mean i'm sure you've like encountered this too when you'd like arrive on your

[00:39:54] starting tribe and you're like oh my god like who are like where did they find some of these people

[00:39:58] it's like how am i supposed to predict what sandy bergen's gonna do you know it's like right it's crazy

[00:40:04] um not not that she was on your starting tribe but she was she was she was she was yeah red um

[00:40:10] and uh the only other thing i'll say too is i i also didn't hate it because an odd number

[00:40:14] number of votes you know does add for a little bit more um you know potential for an explosive result

[00:40:21] that's a good point all it takes is a one person swing for something to happen and then of course we

[00:40:26] get an eight one vote but still um in theory it is nice to have those those small margins um so i think

[00:40:33] it was cool like as much as it was a disappointing result and i and i questioned like whether it was

[00:40:36] a good decision like it's always great to see people kind of like at least just from like a drama

[00:40:40] perspective like if it had just been kyle that would be like okay like kyle lost immunity like we

[00:40:45] all expected him to go and then he went so there it's just exciting it's exciting from like it was

[00:40:49] like a tv viewer perspective you know to see to see it happen as it happened yeah and i thought the edit

[00:40:54] with the music and then the sunset and the cut to black and the genevieve narrating that whole thing i

[00:40:59] thought that was really excellently done yeah so such like a tense like great

[00:41:03] like bit of tv although apparently the you know the the after the fact confessionals were a clue into

[00:41:08] you a little bit but that's just me uh trying too hard um so what what's your feeling generally on

[00:41:14] like losing votes like you know do you like this idea that at a challenge you could lose a vote just

[00:41:19] for not performing well in the challenge short answers no i do not i i think that's a little

[00:41:24] antithetical to the to the game's structure because it's like no matter how shitty you are at challenges

[00:41:30] you always have your vote that's kind of my feeling too they like double penalizes someone like you

[00:41:34] should be rewarded for doing well and challenges or and then but like if you don't then you should

[00:41:39] still have like some strategic you know agency right like like sandra you know not a challenge

[00:41:44] beast by any imagine imagine if she was losing her vote every other tribal council or something like

[00:41:48] like you know if you're not a physical player you should be able to lean on other elements of your

[00:41:54] game because that's the whole like premise is outwit outplay outlast if you're not good at the

[00:41:57] outplay that shouldn't prevent you from being able to outwit people or be hamstrung when you're trying

[00:42:03] to so i don't love it um am i totally opposed to it like pre-merge not necessarily like i don't hate

[00:42:13] it but like it's it's been a little much in my opinion i i would maybe hope they peel it back or

[00:42:19] something i don't know it's it's not ideal in my opinion i let's get let's take some questions

[00:42:24] from from the viewers um i gray has an interesting question he wants to know who is the strongest

[00:42:31] duo in the game i i'm curious your your opinion but i think it might be suing caroline

[00:42:38] um i would have said sue gabe but because like gay like when i mean granted caroline was on the

[00:42:45] on the loser trip but when um genevieve genevieve went to sue um you know and she said well you need

[00:42:52] to like launder this through gabe basically and gabe was kind of the clearinghouse for that

[00:42:55] you could be right though i mean that's that's uh it's i mean i see either of them my my only

[00:42:59] push back to that is because they knew gabe had a vote that round so and caroline wasn't even there

[00:43:04] yet so like there was no there was no opportunity to to talk to her yet um interesting all right um

[00:43:10] let's see simone wants to know is genevieve screwed no one who voted with her is actually loyal to her

[00:43:16] i don't think she's necessarily screwed i have a lot of faith in genevieve's ability as a player like

[00:43:22] to me she has all the tools to to be successful um and thinking with like loyalty like like at this

[00:43:31] stage in the game you almost don't need it a hundred percent like it's great to have a super

[00:43:35] loyal number one but you can't expect to like have a like a loyal super trusting relationship with

[00:43:41] too too many people that's just like a little um naive to think that you'd have that deep of

[00:43:46] connection with everybody at this stage in the game so i think she does have some some lines with

[00:43:52] rachel with andy with sue that could help insulate her but as as steven as you said before like people

[00:43:58] have clocked that you know she was the the conductor this round so she's got a chance but she she might

[00:44:04] be she might be in trouble what do you think yeah i mean i i i think i think she's in real danger

[00:44:09] like i think that she is if not the next to go then i think like you know i don't give her more

[00:44:13] than two weeks in the game um i i give or take right like maybe it's three but i think she's not

[00:44:19] making it even to like the final five um so so i you know i i've really enjoyed her like she's been

[00:44:24] one of my favorite characters to watch she's been super fun you know i i was almost bummed that she

[00:44:29] didn't have more content in the early episodes because that's typically the sign of like not having

[00:44:33] won the game and it seemed like she was really instrumental to those early votes you know because she had

[00:44:38] all those like that relationship with rome that we didn't really see early on um and then it became

[00:44:42] obviously a bigger narrative as the you know in episodes like three or so but um i i really like

[00:44:49] her as a character and a player i think this might have been her like her game losing move here i mean

[00:44:55] we'll see i could be wrong possibility no no that's i think that's more likely than my like wishful

[00:45:00] thinking that she pulls off this kim spradlin like insulated from all angles kind of victory

[00:45:04] yeah um it just seems like in this day and age you kind of like need that sort of little like that

[00:45:10] safe harbor like the people who are making it to the end and winning are for the most part like those

[00:45:15] who are kind of like in the middle of their little alliance group you know they're sort of like the

[00:45:19] last person's thing and also the last person standing as other people you know turn on you know

[00:45:23] their alliance their alliance group um let's see what do we all else you mentioned final five so

[00:45:30] simone asked who's your ideal final five well ideal in what like i don't even see it in terms of my

[00:45:36] preferences you know i always like think like who who do i think is likely i mean i think likely is

[00:45:42] and this is like really out of nowhere um i think the final five is going to be andy sue teeny

[00:45:50] rachel and caroline i could totally be wrong here and and um i just think that like andy and sue well

[00:45:59] sue i think is going to be a final three loser like that to me has been i mean i don't want to

[00:46:03] get too deep into the edit stuff but like and even just from a gameplay perspective i think although

[00:46:08] i guess she was the potential target of sam today um but but um i you know and i think andy you know

[00:46:15] as you said is is the main character now and i think that's he's either like the carolyn of this

[00:46:19] season or he's the gabler of this season but either way i really believe he's he's at the end there

[00:46:25] um and i honestly think i teeny has a lot of upside you know i feel like um teeny is always

[00:46:33] wrong like or not always wrong but like they never get their way teeny never gets their way like this

[00:46:39] episode teeny tried to save saul didn't work last episode teeny like tried to like make sam be the

[00:46:44] target it was sierra you know tried to save or you know was out of out of the loop on the quishon vote

[00:46:50] you know tried to save asia didn't work you know i don't think we have once seen teeny like

[00:46:54] successfully pull off a plane but even with that terrible track record you know they're consistently

[00:47:00] portrayed as like being strategic being empathetic like that sam montage last week where we see teeny

[00:47:06] like going from conversation to conversation and trying to make it sam like it felt like a big you

[00:47:12] know and it didn't like blow up in teeny's face you know we didn't see and i saw someone saying like

[00:47:18] is teeny maybe the owen or the jake of this you know the person who never can get it together

[00:47:24] but i felt like that was so much a part of both of your stories it's like your your story of course

[00:47:28] was the charlie brown and jake's too it was like you know so many of your confessionals and so many

[00:47:33] it's so much of the narrative around you guys was like these are the guys who like are trying so hard

[00:47:37] and they just can't get it and we don't see like that second half with teeny you know it's always

[00:47:40] like well she's like in there making moves and we also see her being really empathetic we always see

[00:47:45] her like tearing up we see her like you know embracing people we see so much of teeny's you know um

[00:47:50] kindness and connection with people and it's way similar to kenzie so i think there's a world

[00:47:55] where teeny wins i think he's got a good edit um i would love that because yeah i i'd seen some of

[00:48:00] the charlie brown comparisons to myself and jake and i i'm leaning more towards that but then it's

[00:48:05] it's like this weird conflict in my head because i feel like that's what andy is being set up for

[00:48:10] and it's like who like i i see them both going far and it's like why are we getting

[00:48:14] these perceptions of them as having this this ability and this like pulse on the game but it's

[00:48:21] just not working out and then andy's kind of getting this more redemptive story so it's almost

[00:48:25] looking at it wise to me like andy could somehow screw around and win and then teeny is in that zero

[00:48:31] vote finalist kind of spot i could see it i really could see it wouldn't that be something that would

[00:48:34] be that would be wild yeah that would be wild i mean that would be a very i i definitely could see that

[00:48:40] i like um and then there's there's rachel who i think is like really strategic i i have to say

[00:48:45] i love rachel rachel got the reflection of fire in her glasses it was like a little corner i saw you

[00:48:51] post that on on disgraced twitter and she's gonna lose fire it was like in the tiniest little bit of

[00:48:58] her glasses it wasn't like paying attention where his eyes were flames i don't know um maybe they're

[00:49:04] just trying to give like the little you know maybe they thought they overdid it with carson but now

[00:49:08] yeah just a little tease they're like hey hey louie move over you're getting too much fire in the

[00:49:12] glasses kind of get the camera angle right yeah the post-production team was like airbrushing out the

[00:49:18] fire yeah i i love rachel i really think she could to do well and i'm just curious to see where it goes

[00:49:24] from here because they they've made a real like they they were a little ham-fisted with the andy rachel

[00:49:30] uh yeah coming back together a lot of heat on it that's gonna have some ramifications down the

[00:49:36] road i think and then she's got that idol that nobody knows about right we didn't see any counter

[00:49:40] confessional saying like oh rachel must have played her shot in the dark to try to blah blah blah blah

[00:49:44] like they they didn't seem to clock her with that um sam might be trying well she's gonna be pissed at

[00:49:50] sam but sam will try to like get back in her good graces like i think there's a chance i she was my

[00:49:56] winner pick um once i listened to her like long form interview with mike um i thought she had had

[00:50:02] the sauce like tiana was my original winner pick and then um i think rachel has the tools but i'm just

[00:50:09] curious how it goes from here for her um but it's so final five wise like i i'm with you i think andy's

[00:50:17] long for the game i think teeny could be there sue seems to be not taken seriously by people like yes

[00:50:23] they're threatened by her relationship with caroline but i think we heard gabe say like

[00:50:27] sue's not going to be the one to say let's vote out sol and then cut to sue saying like we need to get

[00:50:32] i loved that but that that says a lot about how gabe perceives her because i think even early in the

[00:50:38] game when he was kind of having his machiavellian like let me collect my my old woman to drag to

[00:50:44] the end you know i think that was kind of his perception that like she would not be taken

[00:50:47] seriously and that if then two went to the end he would have the upper hand so i don't know if that's

[00:50:53] his like a little bit of like bias you know coming into play there or what but um i could see her kind

[00:51:00] of being dragged along there and yeah kyle getting clipped out because of his challenge ability

[00:51:04] so we'll see but um i'm glad we had to talk about teeny because i wanted to ask you about that because

[00:51:09] i i'm not sure what to make of their edit it's uh i i would love for them to to finally kick the

[00:51:14] football and and pull something off and uh i'm curious but it's it is very reminiscent of like oh man

[00:51:21] just like they can just not get their way to save their life here i do feel like kenny's gonna have

[00:51:26] a big move and it's gonna be like enough you know like i'm not like enough but like like it's

[00:51:31] gonna be enough to justify the win you know sort of with like like like marianne kind of at the end

[00:51:34] sort of like like having like some big thing that was like their uh her distinctive her distinctive

[00:51:40] move i did see someone on twitter calling um saying that teeny was you know i i pushed back on the

[00:51:46] idea that like teeny's edit was similar to yours or jake's and then someone's like well what about

[00:51:49] carla and i thought that was an interesting comparison

[00:51:52] interesting someone who we saw as being strategic but like ultimately especially in the post merge like

[00:51:58] never really had much of an impact on the game and then kind of goes out as like as like a big threat

[00:52:02] at five like i thought i i think there's a world where that's true too i see that possibility and

[00:52:08] carla's is interesting because her edit started off so strong and then her her reputation almost

[00:52:13] overshadowed the reality of what was going on in the end game on my season it's like carla's such a

[00:52:19] threat she's so dangerous but it's like what has she done lately like not not as much as she did

[00:52:24] early in the game so i i don't know if i see that as much but i i hope teeny's not the charlie brown i

[00:52:30] hope there is no charlie brown i hope they i hope everyone at final tribal gets a vote at least yeah

[00:52:33] no um i don't know that i love our club i like that's true i do love our club it's a great club

[00:52:38] it's really it's good people come on what about so i'm also not out on sam like i do think that sam

[00:52:44] might have longevity um you know as i was saying earlier just like because he might be seen as like

[00:52:49] a wounded bird now you know which was like a big theme um right of like like now he's the wounded

[00:52:54] bird and like i think like he's got like maybe some sense of um you know now this guy like i think

[00:53:01] is smart enough to kind of like pull back a little bit although maybe like it's or does this thing with

[00:53:06] rachel blow up in his face you know like rachel is gonna be pissed i think that's more likely but

[00:53:11] i think sam is an attractive number and shield because he is like if they get kyle out at some

[00:53:17] point you know sam's the next tallest person and that's how people's brains work it's like oh the

[00:53:23] strong man you know we must get them out i didn't with with reason like he seems like a pretty athletic

[00:53:27] guy but it's just like i don't i don't know i it's hard to see someone on island but then again like

[00:53:34] i didn't have a whole lot going on in terms of deep relationships and i i got drug along to the end so

[00:53:39] there is a possibility for sam as well well what about gabe like so like you know he was supposed

[00:53:45] to be the vote or you know of course like it's always they always make a story right about the

[00:53:49] person who wins immunity like that person's supposed to be the vote but um you know it sure looked like

[00:53:53] there was there was heat on him and then he won immunity and and got the heat off of him um where

[00:53:57] do you like does he have longevity or or is he you know is he like soon to be i see gabe kind of in

[00:54:03] that that carla type position where their reputation as a strategist and like people's pre-game perceptions

[00:54:10] and early game perceptions of like oh he was scrambling looking for the idol ipso facto you know

[00:54:16] he's a super strategic person um i feel like that could end up biting him in the butt um i think they

[00:54:22] do see the bond with sue and that could be perceived as dangerous so i i i have gabe pegged kind of as like

[00:54:28] a six seven fifth kind of spot personally yeah um i want to give so i was wondering like who i was

[00:54:35] going to give the fishy so so ellis asked question mark um i was really debating this and at first i

[00:54:42] was like i can't give it to genevieve because i don't think this was a great move but she was the

[00:54:46] one who really drove the action um you know there's nobody else who i could say like had like a great

[00:54:52] move tonight i was thinking of giving it to rome just to troll rob but rob's not here right now

[00:54:57] because like it was you know allegedly this room this move was like for rome um but i kind of think

[00:55:04] and i want to i want your take on this i'm thinking gabe because like first of all there's no great

[00:55:08] obvious contender for it second of all gabe is one of the two people left this season who has not

[00:55:12] gotten a fishy and i think like he's played like a really smart strategic game like what is this

[00:55:16] the communist fishy awards like are you just making sure everyone gets well no i think there's

[00:55:21] justification too like i'm not just gonna give it's not like you know um even with his weak burps

[00:55:26] compared to saul's no but that's smart he's like minimizing his threat right level by like under

[00:55:31] burping he's like allowing saul to have that sort of like dominant position and making himself the

[00:55:35] beta burper i think that's very smart strategy um and then he you know just generally like he kept

[00:55:41] his alliance cool like he kind of like let the vote come to him you know like you know he kept

[00:55:47] everyone together in his group you know but made sure that this was genevieve's move right like it's

[00:55:52] it's her move it's her move so like and you know he was like not freaking out i was able to like bring

[00:55:57] bring the group together um it's you know he did win immunity which is never really a factor for me

[00:56:02] i think i'm gonna give it to gabe unless you have like a strong argument for somebody else

[00:56:07] i do not and it is called the fishy you know this is your award who's getting knighted owen who's

[00:56:13] getting knighted this episode well i see i'm i'm tempted to agree like obviously genevieve would be

[00:56:18] like the the you know oh start there and think about it but yeah i mean genevieve's like player

[00:56:23] of the week whatever that means she was like the most important player of this week but like i don't

[00:56:27] think her move her episode but yeah if we're if we're trying to break it down in terms of like

[00:56:31] what's this best for her game yeah i i do i i do like your your logic there with gabe trying to

[00:56:37] deflect it off him and he he seems to be the one i i liked how he was kind of the agent that

[00:56:44] genevieve worked through to get the tukus in um and then he still well obviously he had the necklace

[00:56:50] but still it like it wasn't deemed overly threatening that he was the connector and right the one who was

[00:56:58] able to like rally the votes on tuku so yeah that's exactly how that's that's well said like yeah okay

[00:57:04] so fishy award and a knighthood for gabe mm-hmm yeah let's do it kneel down and yeah

[00:57:12] um any last questions we want to get a few more questions in um ellis also asks are you happy to

[00:57:18] see the jury walk-in return sierra looked so pissed i loved it i'm here for it i i missed that i miss

[00:57:25] that i think it's great for the jurors to get their you know to be able to have their moment and stare

[00:57:30] down the people and it it's it's fun it's fun to be reminded of who was there and um someone else

[00:57:35] earlier had asked like what did we think of her being like good when caroline revealed that she

[00:57:39] lost her vote i i chuckled i thought it was funny um but yeah i like i guess caroline wasn't the one

[00:57:44] who uh was you know like really i guess i mean if i was sierra i'd be pissed at everyone so yeah

[00:57:49] because she probably would have said good to anyone except say yeah yeah um angela wants to know how does

[00:57:55] kyle move forward in the game lay low and throw is it too late for kyle to minimize his his threat

[00:58:00] level i think yeah i think it is too late like i i mean i think throwing challenges like it could be

[00:58:07] good in theory but i don't think anyone would ever do it it's hard to do you know like when you're out

[00:58:13] there and you're in the heat of the moment and especially kyle who's like like clearly and like

[00:58:20] an athlete and likes doing this stuff and enjoys challenges i don't see that happening but i think

[00:58:25] he's done a decent job lying low in terms of his like threat level strategically like i think it was a

[00:58:30] couple episodes back he said it's like i'm the most honest dumbass here and everyone kind of laughed

[00:58:34] and like i think he's he's playing into like the country bumpkin simple man you know i'm just a

[00:58:40] blue collar guy from michigan you know and everyone thinks he's sweet and nice but that could turn into

[00:58:44] a threat later where it's like oh he's the young dad and he's got these kids at home and you know he's

[00:58:49] he's a hard worker but those good old boys will get you in there let me tell you yeah yeah you would

[00:58:55] know a thing or two about that but um i i think he's like floated across that balance beam that was

[00:58:59] oh my god yeah he really did he's good at everything he's good at everything um except

[00:59:05] chimney sweep apparently but um yeah i think i think that ship has sailed in terms of threat level

[00:59:10] um gray wants to know too this is interesting i saw a comment suggesting the four who were up for

[00:59:16] losing their vote don't find out the result of who lost their vote until they're in the voting booth

[00:59:21] would that be an improvement or too chaotic so people would not learn who lost their vote obviously

[00:59:26] would have to be a different game because this game made it clear who lost their vote um they

[00:59:31] would not learn who actually lost their vote until they showed up and i mean i guess in this case it

[00:59:34] wouldn't be like a game at all they'd like spin a wheel and you know um what do you think about or

[00:59:38] maybe there'd be like a like a counting thing right like who got the correct number of triangles i don't

[00:59:42] know um a lot of ways to run it but what do you think of that idea i don't love it because it just it

[00:59:48] it lends itself to conservative gameplay um the only analog i can think of and sorry to bring it back to

[00:59:55] 43 again but that's my experience no no this is delightful i'm so happy but um when cody did the

[01:00:01] choose your champion at last gasp and he he could have potentially won immunity and um it wasn't going

[01:00:07] to be revealed until after the votes were cast or whatever it was so everyone just operated assuming

[01:00:12] that he did have immunity so it's like to strategize around that is is pretty much impossible so then it's

[01:00:19] it's like those four people will just be put in time out and like it's i don't know it would just

[01:00:24] turn into a live tribal i think um well i guess no it would only be if they were in the booth and

[01:00:28] you wouldn't even know you have no idea i agree i don't like that it would be a shit show honestly i

[01:00:32] i don't like it i mean it was enough challenge for them with like knowing who lost their vote to

[01:00:37] assemble the requisite votes like this plan might not have happened had that happened because like

[01:00:40] you have four people with no votes like we just have no clue who's got voting where so let's just

[01:00:45] like do the conservative thing here yeah i do like angela's point saying uh if if the

[01:00:50] bottom four lost their votes privately and then had the option to decide who to lie to or be truthful

[01:00:56] with like there was some element of it where caroline's just like i lost my vote okay right

[01:01:00] strategizing you know like there there was an opportunity there to try to like i don't know maybe be a

[01:01:05] little more clandestine about it but like i just was saying that would make it a disaster so i don't

[01:01:10] know but that that could be an element to it yeah um let's see there's one uh more question

[01:01:16] here um question from kevin um should survivor create more scenarios like they did this episode

[01:01:23] that broke the merged group into three reward camp and journey to allow for more strategy moments that's

[01:01:29] interesting like it's inherently giving people like you know a opportunity to break off and talk

[01:01:35] what do you think of that i didn't hate it and when i was re-watching it this morning i i actually

[01:01:39] found it interesting that sue and genevieve you know they they would never have had that opportunity

[01:01:44] to talk for that long organically right so it's it's so hard to sneak off you're always wondering

[01:01:49] if someone's creeping up behind you behind the shelter like yeah i i didn't hate that element

[01:01:54] of it i think if you remove the lost votes and um and if they're it's still voting as one big group

[01:02:00] um i'm not opposed i i actually quite liked it and i think it does shake things up i mean i guess it's

[01:02:05] kind of like the ghosts of tribe swaps past where you're you're forcing new connections to be made and

[01:02:12] like giving people opportunities to try to build some bonds with other people um so i'm not i'm not

[01:02:18] opposed to it um as far as twists go like i would still prefer if it was just normal every time but

[01:02:24] i i don't think this is like horrendous i don't know yeah um well owen thank you so much for your

[01:02:31] time today i mean i agree with you about the last time that was a sort of terrible transition on my

[01:02:34] part i was like yeah um no but truly like that was that was great like i really like that was um

[01:02:39] that was uh it was really good having you i i have a question for you owen um so i saw you tweeting

[01:02:45] or i guess skeeting on blue sky last night you said like you know i don't have the exact quote here

[01:02:49] but um you know they have so much food here in 47 seasons 41 to 44 they had no we had no food

[01:02:57] no food you are someone who has been on the receiving end of a lot of the older school players

[01:03:03] saying oh my gosh 26 days is so easy this is what a ridiculous like and now you're saying 40 47 is so

[01:03:10] easy are you now an old new school player like what i guess so i'd say the curmudgeonly nature is is

[01:03:18] catching up to me i guess that's uh yeah now that i'm a couple seasons removed i will say though

[01:03:24] okay let me just to be in my defense and your final six reward we got coffee and pastries and then

[01:03:31] early merge they're getting blts and barbecue and all this amazing stuff it's like i would have killed

[01:03:37] for real food so there's always an argument to be made owen you know there always is only like two

[01:03:42] thirds of 39 it's two thirds it is literally two thirds so i can't there's always a point but there's

[01:03:47] always an argument there isn't all you know it's just uh you know yeah i'm glad that now the new

[01:03:51] schoolers are doing it to each other i'm becoming what i used to fight on twitter but that's that's that's

[01:03:58] the passage of time for you tell us what's going on with you owen yeah what is going on with me

[01:04:02] well sam i don't know if you're pulling up a graphic or this or not but i'm excited in a couple weeks to

[01:04:07] go to houston texas to attend the rob has a podcast live show um oh sam is not pulling up a graphic so

[01:04:14] you can just imagine the beautiful poster but uh we will be in houston on the fourth to watch the

[01:04:20] episode and do a live pod so i will be there um and other survivors will be there and it should

[01:04:27] be fun um what else is new i got married a couple weeks ago so um very excited and yeah congratulations

[01:04:33] thank you thank you for sending me a gift off the registry by the way i was very honored to receive

[01:04:39] the uh my grease collector from you so every time for like you know like you know in this situation like

[01:04:45] you know we obviously my intimate friends like but like for people who i like know and i want to like

[01:04:50] celebrate them i like to get the most ridiculous thing on the register i love it i love it every

[01:04:54] time i will discard my bacon grease i will think of you steve that's that's that's you know that's

[01:04:59] what i'd like that's my hope i love it i love it but um yeah shout out to rob and nicole like i i

[01:05:04] now especially now that i'm married i understand like you you would drop everything to go take care of

[01:05:09] your wife so um i hope nicole is feeling better at the doctor and um yeah the other thing i wanted to

[01:05:15] shout out is uh my our good friend dwight of blood on the clock tower and survivor 43 fame

[01:05:20] uh wrote a great article for the uh rhap newsletter uh about the um worrying about disappointing people

[01:05:28] and i thought it was really beautifully written dwight is one of the best guys out there so

[01:05:32] definitely check that out dwight was he on which season oh yeah he's just some guy no no it's a

[01:05:38] great it is a really it's a really like lovely newsletter i i i really like uh it was very

[01:05:42] heartfelt and like um great it was a great piece and i'd recommend everybody read it definitely

[01:05:47] definitely but yeah last plug i'll say just like blue sky last night was great the vibes are so much

[01:05:53] better than on uh uh twitter x whatever like i don't miss it at all um it just felt like we were

[01:06:00] all just hanging out and um i saw jolia's on there dalton was there you wiggler like there's a lot

[01:06:06] of people making the migration over to butterfly land and uh i i thought it was just like it's just

[01:06:12] feels better like i'm literally it was like a very like collegial vibe it felt like a small group of

[01:06:18] friends kind of like chatting in a way that now it's like the the on twitter you know which i still

[01:06:23] love and i'm gonna stay on twitter and i'll keep calling it twitter but like i'm gonna stay there and

[01:06:26] i like i love just like the the huge like range of viewpoints you get but blue sky you do like have

[01:06:32] like it's like a little bit more like like uh intimate and it feels like like a little friendlier

[01:06:35] and like it didn't feel like everyone was necessarily like competing to like get like

[01:06:39] the most explosive tweet because or skeet because like you know there's only like uh like 30 people

[01:06:44] you know like yeah it was great yeah where can we follow you on uh on blue skies i am the young

[01:06:50] night the young night blue sky dot whatever the i forget how the handles if you put like the

[01:06:55] young night into the search bar that's that that's they'll probably you'll probably find me

[01:06:58] you can find me at stephen fishback on blue sky please follow me there i'm like really like

[01:07:02] terrified of this idea of losing you know all these followers i have on twitter and who cares

[01:07:07] who cares this is our close friends i worked hard for that um the the uh and and uh yeah i mean it

[01:07:14] was it was fun like joe lee like like you said who's one of the producers of the show one of the

[01:07:17] long-standing producers was like you know this is so great like it feels like old times here and

[01:07:21] um it's kind of cool that you know they're listening like they're they're over there listening and i can

[01:07:25] only imagine like on twitter obviously they're listening to they're hitting the survivor hashtag

[01:07:29] but it's just like a flood so there actually are like people over there who are like reading what's

[01:07:34] going on you know so you know if you want to if you want to get your ideas into joe lee's you know

[01:07:38] eyes um that might be the way i'll tell him you said that not me exactly he has you to thank for any

[01:07:46] any dms he gets no no i didn't mean like well whatever um so yeah and again thank you so much

[01:07:52] owen for being here um congratulations to gabe on on on being a fishy night and um the um the yeah

[01:07:59] we'll we'll see you all next week and hopefully nicole will be feeling better and uh well gosh

[01:08:03] next week i really hope she's feeling better but like um you know we'll we'll uh hopefully sooner

[01:08:07] than that yeah right and you'll get rob back thank you all for putting up with me here i wore i wore

[01:08:11] a plaid shirt to try to oh i meant to shout that out yes yeah thank you it's a capitals shirt as

[01:08:17] well washington dc you're a new hometown but yeah what are the capitals

[01:08:21] the hockey team oh okay thank you let's do that hockey steven yes it's a fun time i will say if

[01:08:27] you ever if anyone ever offers you tickets to a caps game it's pretty electric um but yeah thank

[01:08:31] you all for watching it's an honor to be here music next time thank you i think someone jacob

[01:08:37] thank you jacob for saying i deserved music but it was so fun all right all right thanks a lot

[01:08:41] everybody bye bye

[01:08:43] bye