This week, Rob and Stephen discuss Survivor 47 episode 8.[00:00:04] The smartest guys around, We're about to break it down, Like they've won the game a million times.
[00:00:23] Survivor, no way to-
[00:00:48] Know-It-Alls are back!
[00:00:52] We're here to talk about episode 8, Survivor 47, and here he is back.
[00:00:59] I don't know what, he's miming something, it's Steven Fishback.
[00:01:02] I was trying to get both my hands in frame for my woo!
[00:01:07] Okay.
[00:01:08] Yeah, how are you?
[00:01:09] Doing pretty well, excited to be back with you here.
[00:01:14] Definitely thrown off by a Friday know-it-alls after we've been on Thursday for a year or so.
[00:01:21] Yeah, it was my daughter had her four-year-old well checkup yesterday,
[00:01:27] so I needed to attend that, you know, and she's healthy, she's good.
[00:01:31] And I had my wisdom teeth out on Monday, so I wanted to give myself another day to recover.
[00:01:37] How are you doing?
[00:01:38] It hurts, you know, if I seem a little less wise, you know, you may know why.
[00:01:42] That's what happens, yeah.
[00:01:43] Would you have two out or four out?
[00:01:45] Three out.
[00:01:46] I decided to leave one in just for like a little confusion.
[00:01:48] Just, you know, a spare.
[00:01:49] No, I had previously had that one out, but like it was a mess.
[00:01:52] And you know, I had been told by a doctor like a decade ago that if I had these teeth out, it might affect my nerve.
[00:01:57] And I was very scared of that.
[00:02:00] And, you know, I know Scott St. Pierre had a lot of trouble with some mouth surgery.
[00:02:04] And so I was very impudacious.
[00:02:08] But this doctor was like, no, it's fine.
[00:02:09] It was fine.
[00:02:10] It was great.
[00:02:10] It's fine.
[00:02:10] Okay.
[00:02:11] All right.
[00:02:11] Well, happy to hear that that worked out and excited to talk with you about this episode.
[00:02:17] Yesterday, we didn't have Steven.
[00:02:19] So I did the Robinson Podcast patron Q&A.
[00:02:22] Did two and a half hours of call-ins from the patrons.
[00:02:26] That's up in our patron feed at RobinsonWebside.com slash patron.
[00:02:29] And of course, had a great chat with Christian and then talked with Sierra on the exit interview.
[00:02:35] Steven, how'd you feel this week for the episode?
[00:02:38] Oh, it was a fun episode.
[00:02:40] Like it's a very fun season.
[00:02:41] You know, I enjoyed it.
[00:02:44] I love the auction.
[00:02:45] You know, we can, I'm sure here's the problem with the Friday.
[00:02:47] Know what else?
[00:02:48] It's like Thursday is bad enough.
[00:02:49] Things have already been said Friday.
[00:02:51] Like conversation is exhausted.
[00:02:52] We have nothing new to say, but I love the auction.
[00:02:55] I thought that was fun.
[00:02:55] I thought all of the stuff with Rachel and the idol was fun.
[00:02:57] I mean, best of all, an actual 11 person vote, everyone potentially at risk, you know, and all these different groups splitting off.
[00:03:06] Then we get to see how the power dynamics shake out.
[00:03:09] It was so satisfying to see an actual episode of Merge Survivor that I don't ever need to see it again.
[00:03:15] From now on, it's just like tiny little groups, you know, tiny little tribal council.
[00:03:18] You're satisfied.
[00:03:19] Your cup is full.
[00:03:21] Yeah.
[00:03:22] Okay.
[00:03:22] Well, let's start off with Rachel and the shot in the dark, because I really feel like that since Wednesday night, I mean, we were blown away on Wednesday night.
[00:03:30] I feel that people are like, maybe it's gotten to the point where people are too high on playing the shot in the dark.
[00:03:36] The amount of like different like threads on Reddit.
[00:03:39] This was the greatest move in survivor history.
[00:03:41] Yeah.
[00:03:42] Oh, it was good.
[00:03:43] Oh, well, now we can do the, the, the, the come down.
[00:03:45] We can be the counter.
[00:03:45] Yeah.
[00:03:45] This is like, now it went from like, Oh, this is like, this one went from like, Oh, this was a very like subtle, clever thing.
[00:03:52] She did to now this has reinvented the game.
[00:03:56] Yeah.
[00:03:57] Yeah.
[00:03:57] But that's fun to be the backlash.
[00:03:59] Rachel was terrible.
[00:04:00] No backlash.
[00:04:00] I'm just like, but like, let's like, you know, I've ever seen in the history of this show.
[00:04:04] Yeah.
[00:04:04] This was that she made a smart play.
[00:04:07] Uh, here's, uh, you know, from Reddit, uh, for reasons why Rachel's play was brilliant.
[00:04:14] I mean, it was very good.
[00:04:15] It was good.
[00:04:16] It was very good.
[00:04:17] I mean, it is interesting.
[00:04:19] I thought it was very smart.
[00:04:20] Like the like pre using the shot.
[00:04:23] I mean, as has been talked to death, use it, but here we are to talk it to death further.
[00:04:26] Um, shot in the dark, right.
[00:04:28] She did a number of things.
[00:04:29] Like the number one thing that she definitely did was assess whether or not people were doing
[00:04:34] disappointed and read the room.
[00:04:36] And if it, you know, if she didn't hit, which it probably would not.
[00:04:40] And it did not.
[00:04:41] Um, then she could use her idol if she needs to very smart.
[00:04:43] Um, you know, she has confirmed on Twitter that she also used it so that she didn't have
[00:04:48] to vote for Gabe.
[00:04:49] Now I had thought she, I had thought maybe she also didn't want to vote for Sierra or
[00:04:54] Sam.
[00:04:54] Like to me, that was a really good usage of it, but she, she'd said she was not in on the
[00:04:59] plan.
[00:04:59] She didn't know where the votes were going.
[00:05:00] All right, we're here.
[00:05:01] Let me, let's, let's bring up your, uh, Twitter thread on this, uh, and, uh, talk it through.
[00:05:06] Okay.
[00:05:06] So we'll have the visual aid and we have, uh, here you want to, uh, have the visual aid
[00:05:12] to make your points.
[00:05:13] Yeah.
[00:05:14] Well, so the first one I did make was, uh, so I had written, do we think Rachel knew
[00:05:17] where the votes were going and played the shot to avoid voting and also to get a read
[00:05:21] on the other players to see if they were sweating.
[00:05:23] Um, and then I enumerated by not voting.
[00:05:25] Rachel gets to not betray her ally Sierra, who's going to be the first juror, which is
[00:05:29] often a decisive role.
[00:05:30] Cause that's the whole tone of the jury.
[00:05:32] She doesn't get to betray.
[00:05:33] She doesn't have to betray her ally, Sam, who is still in the game and she won't be on the
[00:05:36] wrong side of the votes and alienate Gabe.
[00:05:39] Um, so apparently the first two parts of that were not part of her, her calculus.
[00:05:43] Cause she didn't know where the votes were going, but she, it's true.
[00:05:46] She did not want to vote for Gabe.
[00:05:48] Um, so I think that's good.
[00:05:50] Like that's what Matt, we saw Matt do that in survivor 44.
[00:05:53] Uh, Matthew, was he Matthew or Matt?
[00:05:55] Matthew did that in survivor 44.
[00:05:57] Yeah.
[00:05:58] I think he used Matthew.
[00:05:59] There was Matt Blankenship.
[00:06:00] Yeah.
[00:06:01] And Mary Matthew.
[00:06:02] Um, he, he played the shot in the dark as a way to avoid having to vote in a contentious
[00:06:08] tribal council.
[00:06:09] I think that's, that's very intelligent.
[00:06:10] And Rachel here, not knowing her position did, did the same thing.
[00:06:13] Um, something else that people on Reddit commented, which I had not thought about, which was really
[00:06:18] smart is that by burning the shot in the dark, suddenly you make yourself, um, more able to
[00:06:25] get information because people will be less worried about blindsiding you.
[00:06:29] So much of people's talk about blindsiding people, um, is because of the possibility of
[00:06:35] the shot in the dark.
[00:06:35] Like we can't let them know what's going on.
[00:06:37] They've got their shot in the dark.
[00:06:39] You know, we have to like make this a complete surprise.
[00:06:41] Um, but without having her shot in the dark, suddenly Rachel is potentially has more access
[00:06:47] to information is less of a threat.
[00:06:49] And of course other people have also said, um, that the shot in the dark, you know, people
[00:06:56] will make people less wary of an idol because like, why would she play her shot in the dark?
[00:06:59] If she doesn't, you know, if she has an idol now in the future, of course, like probably
[00:07:03] a lot of people will play their shot in the dark before using an idol, but, but, um, it's a, it's a, it's a game changing move.
[00:07:08] It is a new, uh, data point for us to have to analyze and we'll have to see like how people
[00:07:15] treat her differently.
[00:07:16] Yeah.
[00:07:17] It may also have the, uh, unintended side effect of that.
[00:07:21] People are like, okay, well let's just put the votes on Rachel.
[00:07:23] Now again, it would work to her benefit if she's able to play the idol correctly, but people
[00:07:28] might say, okay, well that's a safe person to dump the votes on now because she doesn't
[00:07:32] have a shot in the dark.
[00:07:34] Right.
[00:07:34] Oh yeah, true.
[00:07:35] Exactly.
[00:07:35] There's the absolute, that, that counter possibility.
[00:07:38] Yeah.
[00:07:38] Um, but it was very good.
[00:07:39] It was very fun.
[00:07:40] Um, you know, to, to watch and, uh, yeah, you're very smart and just, just showed that
[00:07:46] you, and if people are like debating whether it's like, is it because she doesn't want to
[00:07:50] vote for, for Gabe or is it because she did this way?
[00:07:52] Like it's probably multiple things.
[00:07:54] There's not just like one reason anybody does anything in survivor for the most part.
[00:07:58] Um, you know, players, like if we can think of it, like they are out there thinking of
[00:08:02] it too.
[00:08:02] Yeah.
[00:08:03] Okay.
[00:08:04] So let's talk about the actual vote then where it ends up being Sierra instead of Sam.
[00:08:10] And it, this was interesting.
[00:08:11] This, this came up yesterday on the patron call about interesting that there was like
[00:08:16] a discussion of like, uh, there were the three people from Gata that it could have been.
[00:08:20] And there were cases like for and against each of the people in the three between Rachel
[00:08:26] and Sam and Sierra.
[00:08:27] Do you feel like, uh, the right person was picked?
[00:08:31] Why Sierra over Sam is my question.
[00:08:35] Why do we know what was there?
[00:08:36] I mean, like, we know that like Saul was pushing Sierra.
[00:08:38] So Saul got, well, I think Saul was pushing, not Rachel.
[00:08:42] Like it's interesting when they were going through and like saying like, who, who's like
[00:08:45] pushing who it was, Saul.
[00:08:47] They were saying, Oh, and so this is Saul's target of Sierra.
[00:08:49] So it was definitely protecting Rachel.
[00:08:51] But when like teeny was, was going out and, and, you know, making the case, teeny was pushing
[00:08:56] Gabe, right?
[00:08:57] Teeny, with teeny was pushing Sam.
[00:08:59] Uh, that ultimately teeny wanted to vote with Gata and they said, no, no, no, we're
[00:09:03] going to do some.
[00:09:04] And then, uh, teeny push for Sam of the three.
[00:09:07] But I think when they were breaking down who was pushing who, so teeny was pushing Sam,
[00:09:12] Saul was pushing Sierra.
[00:09:14] And then I think Genevieve was pushing Rachel.
[00:09:16] Um, so like they, everybody sort of had their, and so, you know, this was in a way Saul
[00:09:21] getting his way, but why Sierra?
[00:09:24] Well, Gabe also described Sierra as the head of the snake.
[00:09:27] And from what Genevieve had said, uh, in talking with Caroline and with Sue was that
[00:09:33] she felt like that, okay, Sam is an obvious target.
[00:09:36] And so let's leave him in the game because he's going to get picked off eventually.
[00:09:41] And then let's go after somebody who's a not so obvious target.
[00:09:45] It's so funny.
[00:09:46] It's such a backwards way of thinking.
[00:09:48] I mean, yes, I get that the counterintuitiveness of it all.
[00:09:52] Um, but it is such like a, you know, it's such a funny, like the reason someone are a threat
[00:09:57] should be because they're like competitive to win the game.
[00:10:00] And so like you want to remove the people who are the most competitive to win the game.
[00:10:04] Yeah.
[00:10:04] But I, I think in a way that they did, I feel like that in the new era has a Sam won the game.
[00:10:09] And this is, I think a good question that the players need to be asking themselves.
[00:10:13] Like the conventional wisdom is like, who's the biggest threat?
[00:10:16] Well, obviously it's Sam.
[00:10:17] He's a big, strong guy and it's after the merge, but that Sam hasn't won a, a Sam type
[00:10:23] hasn't won the game in the new era.
[00:10:26] A Sam hasn't won, but a jam has won.
[00:10:28] A jam has won, but he was not necessarily the same profile as a, as a Sam.
[00:10:33] It rhymes.
[00:10:34] It does.
[00:10:35] It does rhyme.
[00:10:36] Hmm.
[00:10:37] Something to think about.
[00:10:38] Yes.
[00:10:38] D is sort of a D is kind of a Sam.
[00:10:41] D was the glue girl.
[00:10:42] You know, she did great in the challenges.
[00:10:44] Don't try to sell me that D and Sam are the same.
[00:10:48] Why not?
[00:10:49] If anything, Sierra is more of a D than a Sam.
[00:10:52] Why?
[00:10:53] Because I think, well, they're both, they're women, Steven.
[00:10:57] Um, D was like the alpha of that group.
[00:11:00] And she was like the, uh, I mean, I, I think that, yeah, I guess like, uh, metaphorically,
[00:11:08] uh, they're similar, but in terms of like, we're talking about like a, uh, a alpha guy
[00:11:15] who, uh, is typically thought of traditionally as a threat to win the game.
[00:11:20] Right.
[00:11:20] That person has not won the game in the new era.
[00:11:23] And you could say that, okay, well more of a, you know, a woman who held an alliance
[00:11:27] together, you know, I, I could squint and see that being Sierra more than I could see
[00:11:32] it as being Sam.
[00:11:33] Right, right, right, right.
[00:11:35] No, I, I do see that.
[00:11:36] I mean, I, I see your point there.
[00:11:37] Um, especially that Sierra that we have not really seen her, um, shine in the individual
[00:11:43] immunity challenges, but I think she's somebody, uh, who has an athletic background.
[00:11:48] Yeah.
[00:11:48] Um, and she, she, you know, seems well, well liked.
[00:11:52] Um, she and Tini were tweeting at each other about how much they liked each other.
[00:11:58] So that suggests they're well liked.
[00:11:59] Yeah.
[00:11:59] I mean, uh, Sierra seems like, uh, she was pretty easy to get along with from the other
[00:12:04] players perspective.
[00:12:05] So she had a good social game, uh, good in the challenges, you know, had some, uh, you
[00:12:10] know, some good relationships.
[00:12:11] So I think that that is the type of person who I think has been more dangerous in the
[00:12:15] new era.
[00:12:16] Yeah.
[00:12:17] And then Sam is too, too obvious.
[00:12:18] I do see, I mean, like I'm, I'm not totally out on Sam as a winner.
[00:12:23] I think there's a world where Sam, like, because now without Sierra there, like, I think the
[00:12:28] typical way these things go is okay.
[00:12:31] We've got got, got a, we like got that one.
[00:12:34] And like, now we don't need to worry about him.
[00:12:36] So like, let's move on to the next one, you know, and that could boomerangs back to somebody
[00:12:41] else.
[00:12:41] So I see a world where, I mean, I don't think Sam is going to win, but I'm not totally out
[00:12:46] on that possibility.
[00:12:46] Yeah.
[00:12:47] I think the thing that has been consistent in the new era is that the person who wins
[00:12:51] is sort of looked at a little bit like that.
[00:12:54] They're, uh, they're not that, you know, completely like perfect, uh, package that ends up getting
[00:13:01] to the end.
[00:13:02] Like they have something that makes them overlook them.
[00:13:05] And so if Sam could sort of ride that out of like, I have nothing, I have nobody, I'm a free
[00:13:10] agent, pick me up.
[00:13:11] Whereas, uh, Sam as part of like an alliance with numbers is very scary.
[00:13:16] Maybe Sam by himself, you know, he could potentially, you know, if people, the worm
[00:13:22] turns against Andy, the two sides end up going after each other.
[00:13:26] I think that there are still avenues for Sam.
[00:13:29] Yeah.
[00:13:30] If you Rob Sesternino are in this game, is this where you get rid of Andy?
[00:13:33] Because you're like, this guy is nervous.
[00:13:35] Who am I?
[00:13:37] Um, who's a Rob Sesternino type in the game?
[00:13:41] Gabe.
[00:13:42] Let's see.
[00:13:43] Uh, so does Gabe want to get rid of Andy?
[00:13:45] You're a radio show host.
[00:13:46] Well, I guess if I'm going to put myself in Andy's, uh, or sorry, in Gabe's position,
[00:13:52] I think I probably, I want to keep my Tuku numbers.
[00:13:55] Um, you know, if I could potentially like take out Andy, like I, I think that might
[00:14:01] not be such a bad play of that.
[00:14:03] He's like a number that is not necessarily like, uh, he's leaning more towards the other
[00:14:09] people.
[00:14:09] So I think that Andy going home at this spot, uh, would probably be a good move for game.
[00:14:15] Yeah.
[00:14:15] Yeah.
[00:14:16] You know, I would, I would want to get that because they're, they're unknowable, right?
[00:14:20] Like, but he's part of Saul secret agents.
[00:14:24] Saul secret agents.
[00:14:25] Do you desperately wish that you were part of the SSA?
[00:14:30] I do.
[00:14:31] I do.
[00:14:32] How come I haven't gotten my also no code names.
[00:14:34] What's happened to survivor.
[00:14:35] It used to be that if you were a secret agent, you got a code name and I don't know if this
[00:14:39] is the same show that I used to love.
[00:14:41] Yeah.
[00:14:41] I think it's so fascinating to think about where this could be going next because that
[00:14:47] I feel like that while the Tuku numbers, uh, that I feel like that they're pretty stable
[00:14:53] in terms of what they have, that the people working with the Lavo group, uh, that they
[00:14:59] have like these like disparate factions of, okay, Saul is working with Rachel, uh, that
[00:15:05] he has Rachel as part of SSA.
[00:15:07] You know, Genevieve had had a good relationship with Sam.
[00:15:11] I don't know necessarily where he goes, but then also Andy is considering himself to be
[00:15:16] the, an honorary Lavo.
[00:15:18] So you have like these three different players who were starting on Gata and they're all in
[00:15:23] some way, shape or form going to be like looking for refuge, like in Lavo.
[00:15:27] They can't take all of them.
[00:15:30] Well, but they might, right?
[00:15:31] I mean, that's now that like, you can't take all the, like, that's basically like your
[00:15:36] friends with a couple and they're splitting up and then, uh, they both need a place to
[00:15:40] crash and then they're both going to stay with you.
[00:15:42] Yeah, no, you're right.
[00:15:43] Obviously the Sam and Andy rivalry will be, will be strong now.
[00:15:46] In every breakup, you know, you, a couple breaks up and you have to pick sides.
[00:15:51] Who are we staying friends with?
[00:15:52] I think they're going to keep Andy now.
[00:15:54] Andy's part of the SSA.
[00:15:56] I think an Andy has just voted with them and you know, he's so, he's so loved.
[00:15:59] So are you letting a powerful ally like Sam just go to Tuku?
[00:16:05] Oh, that's interesting.
[00:16:06] It's a good question.
[00:16:08] Um, don't you, don't you want Sam in the divorce?
[00:16:11] Yeah, I don't know.
[00:16:13] I, I mean, I'm the most likely next target and say, let's keep Andy.
[00:16:17] I saw.
[00:16:18] I want Andy cause he's, he's my secret agent.
[00:16:20] You know, I don't want my secret agent to get blown.
[00:16:23] Um, but if I'm teeny, maybe I want Sam.
[00:16:25] Yeah.
[00:16:26] Um, so I mean, that's my lingo, Rob.
[00:16:29] Yeah.
[00:16:29] I'm not a, uh, a spy.
[00:16:32] Yeah.
[00:16:33] So I think that this next vote is going to be really fun to see how it plays out.
[00:16:37] Yeah.
[00:16:38] Um, I saw in the chat, someone was asking, was this too soon?
[00:16:42] A moment, a moment for Andy to turn on Sam and Sierra.
[00:16:47] I think it ultimately, uh, might have been, I don't know what the alternative was that,
[00:16:52] you know, there was this great thing that came together of, okay, uh, got the plus lava.
[00:17:00] We're going to go and we're going to take out to coup.
[00:17:03] That was sort of like what got brokered over the baby back ribs last week.
[00:17:07] And that sounded like a good plan, but you know, Andy was, Andy was very eager to, uh,
[00:17:13] want to, uh, flip the script on Sam and Sierra, but also Genevieve also, uh, very much wanted
[00:17:19] to, uh, take out Rachel.
[00:17:22] So there was some distrust there.
[00:17:24] So I, I feel like that maybe taking out to coup might've been the more prudent move,
[00:17:30] but I think that there was also issues with the, uh, immunities, uh, there.
[00:17:35] So Sue and Kyle both had the, uh, immunity necklace.
[00:17:41] So those two were safe.
[00:17:43] And then also, I, again, I don't know how much the survivor players are thinking that,
[00:17:48] okay, there was that red paint that, that got found at the tuku camp.
[00:17:54] Does that limit the available tuku options?
[00:17:57] And they're like, okay, two people are immune and there's an idol.
[00:18:00] So we're really getting into dangerous dicey territory to target at tuku right now.
[00:18:07] Right.
[00:18:07] That's a good point.
[00:18:08] That is a good point.
[00:18:09] Um, you know, Gabe is, is, uh, uh, still a pretty ripe target there, but, um, I hear
[00:18:14] you that that's like why go after that group when they're, they seem like very protected.
[00:18:19] Um, yeah, that's, it's an interesting, it's an interesting observation.
[00:18:23] Who do I give the fishy to Rob?
[00:18:25] Uh, because there's, I was talking yesterday with the patrons about like, I think this is
[00:18:29] the toughest one yet.
[00:18:30] Cause I think there's like four or five different people that you could potentially, uh, give
[00:18:34] this fishy to this week.
[00:18:35] All right, let's talk through it.
[00:18:36] So Rachel, the case is obvious, right?
[00:18:37] First of all, very fun play with a shot in the dark, honestly, like a play that could affect
[00:18:44] strategy beyond just this episode, beyond just this season.
[00:18:46] And so there's something to be said for that, like creating, you know, a new usage in a way
[00:18:52] of this, of this tool.
[00:18:53] Rachel did something that was so great.
[00:18:55] I feel like that unless Rachel goes on to win the game, this will be Rachel's legacy.
[00:19:00] Yeah, totally.
[00:19:01] I agree.
[00:19:01] Okay.
[00:19:02] Actually, can I, uh, I'm going to circle back to something with Rachel, but let's keep
[00:19:05] going on the fishy.
[00:19:06] Yeah.
[00:19:07] So there's a lot to be said for that.
[00:19:09] That being said, typically the fishy, you know, given the fishy historians out there,
[00:19:13] they'll know that typically it's, we reward sort of like classic survivor gameplay, which
[00:19:17] is like building a coalition and getting your, your, you know, your will imposed on the vote.
[00:19:21] So Rachel was out of the loop on the vote.
[00:19:23] Uh, and Saul was the one who got, and Saul, you know, a lot of, a lot of times like maybe
[00:19:29] Saul should have gotten it last week.
[00:19:30] Did Saul get it last week?
[00:19:31] No.
[00:19:32] Um, maybe Saul should have gotten it last week.
[00:19:33] So a lot of times that, you know, so Saul was seemed to be the guy who got his way in
[00:19:39] terms of where the vote went.
[00:19:40] Yeah.
[00:19:40] Now, of course there's Andy too, right?
[00:19:42] Andy may has a case.
[00:19:43] He's all that.
[00:19:44] Yeah.
[00:19:44] He's all that.
[00:19:45] He was, he really pushed the flip on, um, who else is in the, uh, Gabe and Genevieve,
[00:19:55] I think are also worthy of consideration.
[00:19:58] Yeah.
[00:19:59] Um, I think my gut is to give it to Rachel because first of all, she hasn't had one yet.
[00:20:04] And second of all, um, but I, I was very, you know, last, you know, Wednesday night, I
[00:20:08] was like, it's gotta be Saul.
[00:20:09] Um, because you know, he was the one who got his way.
[00:20:11] He like built the secret agents.
[00:20:14] He was the, he told Rachel, we, you know, we, we were all saying, okay, Saul's not going
[00:20:19] to tell Rachel.
[00:20:19] He's going to keep it a secret, but he told Rachel it panned out great for him.
[00:20:23] And then when Rachel was at risk, he was able to keep her safe.
[00:20:25] It was a very good case for Saul.
[00:20:27] Yeah.
[00:20:27] I think that, uh, for the Rachel case, just to add on there, she also get finds an idol
[00:20:33] also, uh, had to pull off a daring move to get an idol also in the episode.
[00:20:39] So I think that there is a more there than just the shot in the dark play for Rachel.
[00:20:44] Yeah.
[00:20:45] Yeah.
[00:20:45] All right.
[00:20:45] Well, let's say Rachel, if it's your ratio, but like Saul honorary mention, I wouldn't
[00:20:49] dare to give two out, but, um, you know, honorary.
[00:20:52] Well, if Rome's not here anymore, how could you give out a second fishy when you have an
[00:20:57] all time great, you know, I understand it then.
[00:21:01] But, uh, going back to Rachel, I wanted to ask, do you think that, you know, the, the
[00:21:08] threat level for Rachel seems out of sync for like where she is in the game?
[00:21:16] Uh, that the players, we, we see them talking about like, Oh, Rachel is such a threat.
[00:21:21] Rachel is the person to beat.
[00:21:23] Do you think that going back and getting called out for stealing the rice in the challenge,
[00:21:29] that that was something that really, uh, put her on people's radar in the game, the people
[00:21:36] from Tuku and, uh, lava at that point that did they see when Jeff called her out and she
[00:21:42] got busted and had to dump out the rice.
[00:21:44] Does that something that made the other players say, Ooh, watch out for her.
[00:21:47] That makes sense to me.
[00:21:48] I mean, also, I think even just from the way Rachel carries herself, she seems like a really
[00:21:52] like smart together, nice, great person.
[00:21:55] And those people are really threatening, you know?
[00:21:57] Um, she, she seems like someone who knows the game really well, you know, you know, just
[00:22:03] seems to be, you know, everyone has been saying that she's, you know, observant that she's,
[00:22:09] you know, social, um, you know, even when she, that time when she kind of like stayed away
[00:22:14] from Andy because Andy like pulled her out of the shelter at night, which, you know, maybe
[00:22:18] looking back was not her, her greatest choice.
[00:22:21] But at the time, like there was a lot of rationale for that.
[00:22:23] And it showed that she was very aware of her position in the game and how other people
[00:22:27] were perceiving her actions.
[00:22:28] And you know, someone like that, those qualities will be picked up on by the other players.
[00:22:34] Yeah.
[00:22:35] Okay.
[00:22:36] So Steven, we had the auction return this week.
[00:22:41] Uh, what's your, I know you love the auction.
[00:22:43] How are you feeling overall about the new era auction?
[00:22:47] I mean, people, I'm sure you talked about this with Christian, but, um, people were saying,
[00:22:52] you know, that it does not make sense to have an auction where you have different amounts
[00:22:56] of money and a penalty for losing your vote.
[00:22:59] Um, so, because like, then there's no auction happening.
[00:23:03] People are just like using their total amount of money to buy whatever the next item is.
[00:23:07] Whoever has the most money after five just buys whatever the next thing is.
[00:23:11] And so there's like no jockeying.
[00:23:13] There's no like little face off, which is part of the fun of the whole thing.
[00:23:16] Yeah, I agree that.
[00:23:18] I think that if you want to have people lose their vote though, I do think that you do
[00:23:23] need to have people have differing amounts of money because then, you know, you're going
[00:23:27] to end up with, uh, you know, three people left with the same amount of money or, you
[00:23:32] know, the, the, you won't have an easy way to break a tie of who has the most money left
[00:23:37] if they all start on the same playing field.
[00:23:39] But I just don't think that you need it.
[00:23:41] I know it's been a talk to death.
[00:23:43] The auction is very fun.
[00:23:44] And I know that they like the stakes of somebody who's going to lose their vote, but we're, we're,
[00:23:49] we're not having people like buying things because they want them or they're hungry.
[00:23:54] Right.
[00:23:54] People.
[00:23:54] It's like, uh, here's we've got, uh, Oh, dog excrement, uh, $900.
[00:24:01] Exactly.
[00:24:01] Yeah.
[00:24:02] It doesn't feel like that big a loss.
[00:24:03] Cause she's like, okay, I didn't lose my vote.
[00:24:06] Yeah, exactly.
[00:24:07] Like it's suddenly like the stakes of the auction, which are, Oh no.
[00:24:10] Like I had my, I wanted that.
[00:24:12] That's why I've been dreaming of that.
[00:24:14] You know, it doesn't matter anymore.
[00:24:15] Cause you've just lost your vote.
[00:24:16] So like, by like creating like bigger stakes in the same little universe, it's like, you
[00:24:21] know, if there was a movie about like a love story and you're like, Oh my gosh, this is
[00:24:24] such a moving, moving love story.
[00:24:26] Like I'm so moved by this.
[00:24:27] But then they also had Galactus in that movie, you know, like, it's like, it's suddenly the
[00:24:30] scale.
[00:24:31] I mean, you could have it, it could work, you know, I'm just saying you need like the stakes
[00:24:36] of your, of your story to be confined to like one level.
[00:24:39] You can't have like two, whatever, like actually in this, there was to be something very beautiful
[00:24:44] about the inevitability of Galactus.
[00:24:46] I understand.
[00:24:47] This is maybe a great, uh, screenplay that you stumbled upon.
[00:24:51] It's this love story, but then also Galactus is coming in.
[00:24:55] In this case, like you meet the girl in your dreams, but like, Oh my God, of all days, Galactus.
[00:25:00] I didn't even get her number.
[00:25:05] There's like a Maslow's hierarchy of needs may be going on, but still this is exciting.
[00:25:12] Let's write it.
[00:25:13] Let's go to Samoa.
[00:25:14] Send it to Samoa.
[00:25:16] Yeah.
[00:25:18] Yeah.
[00:25:19] By the way, uh, the, she's all that moment with Andy.
[00:25:23] What'd you think of that?
[00:25:24] I don't know why I think that's like so funny.
[00:25:25] That really, you got really got me around there.
[00:25:27] Yeah.
[00:25:27] I love it.
[00:25:28] It was your idea.
[00:25:29] I mean, truly I was, yeah.
[00:25:31] Um, the, the, sorry, that was very fun.
[00:25:34] The hair flip and the, you know, the glasses off and it was, it was great.
[00:25:38] It was good.
[00:25:39] Andy's a very fun character on this season.
[00:25:40] He really, he adds a lot to the season because it is a very, you know, gamey season, which
[00:25:46] a lot of play, a lot of viewers like, which I really like, you know, everyone seems to
[00:25:50] be playing well.
[00:25:51] Unlike last season where everybody was playing extremely sloppily, not everybody, but you
[00:25:55] know, a lot of people were playing very sloppily.
[00:25:56] Um, and you know, I think Andy, he's strategic.
[00:26:00] He is messy.
[00:26:01] You know, he's got a lot of personality, you know, he's just like, he adds fun to the, to
[00:26:06] the episode.
[00:26:07] Yeah.
[00:26:08] Uh, Andy's much moments where he did the, uh, she's all that, that that was a super fun.
[00:26:16] I got a big response from when I was at UNC.
[00:26:20] Are you still at Galactus?
[00:26:22] Someone in the comments wrote, um, uh, she's all that starring Galactus.
[00:26:26] I don't know why, maybe it's the drugs from the, from the wisdom teeth.
[00:26:33] Maybe.
[00:26:33] Maybe.
[00:26:34] So, uh, we have a special coming, uh, to the nothing but Netflix podcast this weekend that
[00:26:41] I went back and I watched 1999.
[00:26:43] She's all that with Chappelle and Josh Wiggler to see what other gems we could take away from
[00:26:51] baby Andy's game from that film.
[00:26:54] Well, someone explain baby Andy to me.
[00:26:56] Uh, I can, uh, if you, uh, I'll, I'll tell you off, uh, offline.
[00:27:02] Yeah.
[00:27:03] Okay.
[00:27:03] So it's a longer story, but yeah, look for, look for that.
[00:27:06] She's all that recap 25 year anniversary.
[00:27:09] If she's all that, can you believe it?
[00:27:11] Wow.
[00:27:11] How are we celebrating?
[00:27:12] I guess you're rewatched.
[00:27:13] Watch.
[00:27:14] Yeah.
[00:27:15] Rewatch the film and made a podcast about it.
[00:27:17] Yeah.
[00:27:18] Yeah.
[00:27:19] So that, that is going to be a fun one.
[00:27:22] So Steven, go ahead.
[00:27:25] Okay.
[00:27:25] You want to go back to the auction?
[00:27:27] Well, I, yeah.
[00:27:28] What did you think of Kyle eating the meat?
[00:27:32] I, I, I admire it.
[00:27:34] You know, like, uh, that, uh, Jeff was a little bit like, uh, why are you doing this?
[00:27:40] It's like, well, you're making him.
[00:27:42] Exactly.
[00:27:43] He was like, are you, couldn't switch it out?
[00:27:46] Yeah.
[00:27:46] I, um, I wonder if he got sick.
[00:27:49] Oh, that's interesting.
[00:27:49] Sometimes.
[00:27:50] Yeah.
[00:27:50] When your body like has meat for the, for the first time for a long time.
[00:27:52] I mean, I guess good for him.
[00:27:55] You know, obviously everybody's got their different moral thresholds, but like if, if you're going
[00:27:57] to like backslide, you definitely, this is the time to do it.
[00:28:00] Like you're on survivor.
[00:28:01] You need protein.
[00:28:02] You know, you know that if you lose the next immunity challenge, you're probably going
[00:28:05] home.
[00:28:06] Um, yeah.
[00:28:08] Yeah.
[00:28:09] You know, the chicken is dead already.
[00:28:11] You know, you're not, they're not saving that chicken.
[00:28:13] Yeah.
[00:28:14] It's not like a miss peppers situation.
[00:28:17] Yeah.
[00:28:18] So, uh, I think for, uh, Kyle and look, it fueled him to another immunity win.
[00:28:24] That's right.
[00:28:24] That's right.
[00:28:25] And this time against the whole field.
[00:28:27] Yeah.
[00:28:28] So the first real immunity win for Kyle.
[00:28:32] What a true, what a tricky spot to be in where everyone is talking about what he, he's
[00:28:35] the immunity winner.
[00:28:36] And like, as we noted last week, he like was third.
[00:28:39] Yeah.
[00:28:40] And he said like, this is bad for me in the short term, but you know, what, what is he
[00:28:44] going to do?
[00:28:45] Yeah.
[00:28:45] You can't, now you can't, now you're stuck.
[00:28:47] Yeah.
[00:28:48] No point.
[00:28:48] Can you like choose to lose, but should, um, someone, I think someone put up a chart
[00:28:54] of how long people in the new era who have been on immunity runs, um, lasted after their
[00:28:59] immunity run.
[00:29:00] And it's like the only person to make it any amount of tribal councils is Charlie.
[00:29:04] Like other than that, it's like zero or one votes after they lose, they're out.
[00:29:09] Should you never win immunity in the new era?
[00:29:12] I think maybe don't win immunity unless you have to, but I think that that's just like
[00:29:19] getting too cute.
[00:29:20] You know, we were talking about this also, um, with Andy and Sierra and putting Sierra
[00:29:26] on the, like the, you know, mayor of Ponderosa.
[00:29:29] But I just think that there are things that like, yes, we can be results oriented, but
[00:29:34] I don't know necessarily like, should you not go for immunity?
[00:29:37] Like, are you, that's, are you that safe in the game that, but there's a risk.
[00:29:41] I mean, like if you win two in a row, like let's say you go for immunity.
[00:29:45] Great.
[00:29:45] But if you went to in a row, you are put it like the, the, the risk of winning a second
[00:29:50] immunity in a row might be greater than the risk of, of not winning immunity.
[00:29:55] Like you are, you are like, if you win three in a row, you're basically guaranteeing that
[00:30:00] you get voted out unless you're like one of the, you know, unless you're Charlie, who's
[00:30:03] like one of the best social players we've seen.
[00:30:04] Yeah.
[00:30:05] And that was something that, you know, Franny was dealing with back in her season.
[00:30:08] But if you can win the immunities, like, should you start throwing them like big brother?
[00:30:13] Yeah.
[00:30:13] Or like war dog classic sandbag or of immunities.
[00:30:16] Um, yeah, like, like maybe like, I mean, to me that makes sense.
[00:30:21] Like if you know that you are more likely to be voted out by winning more immunities,
[00:30:26] like then yeah, like don't win unless you really feel the heat because like the certainty of
[00:30:30] being of, of the statistics, you know, outweighs to me like the risk of like any one on any one
[00:30:37] spot.
[00:30:38] At what point do you start winning immunities?
[00:30:41] When the heat is on.
[00:30:42] I think, you know, when the heat is on.
[00:30:44] Yeah.
[00:30:44] I mean, you could be wrong.
[00:30:45] You could be like, shoot, I screwed it up.
[00:30:47] But it also could be the heat wasn't on, but then you let the person who they were going
[00:30:51] to vote out win the immunity.
[00:30:52] And then all of a sudden now it bounces back to you.
[00:30:55] Yeah.
[00:30:56] I don't know.
[00:30:57] I mean, it's, it's, I would say you should be strategic about which immunity challenges
[00:31:01] you win, just like you're strategic about all aspects of the game.
[00:31:04] You know, like you might throw a reward challenge cause you don't want to have to choose
[00:31:07] who goes on reward with you.
[00:31:08] I would be less likely to throw a reward challenge to be honest, cause I want to eat.
[00:31:40] Yeah.
[00:31:41] And people are gonna be like, yeah, he's, we can get rid of him later.
[00:31:43] He always loses.
[00:31:44] But if you're like in the mix at the end, they're like, Oh, he's still pretty good.
[00:31:47] Yeah.
[00:31:48] I mean, it's fair.
[00:31:49] It's just very hard to do.
[00:31:51] I think while you're there.
[00:31:53] But yeah, I mean, all aspects of survivor are very hard.
[00:31:55] And like, it's hard to play a great social game too, you know?
[00:31:58] And it's true.
[00:31:59] Like, why would you choose to lose when you could win?
[00:32:01] But again, like, you know that you will are less likely to win the game, like much less
[00:32:06] likely to win the game.
[00:32:07] In fact, nobody in the new era has gone on an immunity run and won the game.
[00:32:11] Then you are to win the game by not doing that.
[00:32:13] Mm hmm.
[00:32:13] Okay.
[00:32:14] I mean, that's fair.
[00:32:16] It's a good point.
[00:32:17] Yeah.
[00:32:18] All right, Steven.
[00:32:19] I want to ask you about something that just says in terms of the schedule here, a lot of
[00:32:26] words on the street is that the survivor finale is going to be December 18th, which puts us
[00:32:32] on pace for a 14 episode season for the first time in the new era.
[00:32:38] And also it seems as though we are getting two hour episodes, both on December 11th and
[00:32:45] on December 18th.
[00:32:47] Wow.
[00:32:48] And correct me if I'm wrong about this.
[00:32:51] But Steven, I believe that that December 18th finale is going to be the first time that
[00:32:57] the survivor finale is not a three hour block.
[00:33:00] I think ever.
[00:33:02] Whoa.
[00:33:03] So that's great.
[00:33:04] So they're going to be like, do the final five instead of the final six, you think?
[00:33:08] I think potentially.
[00:33:09] And then maybe the final four going into the reunion show.
[00:33:13] And then.
[00:33:13] That's awesome.
[00:33:14] That's great.
[00:33:14] Because like, I really always felt that that like sixth place person got completely, you
[00:33:18] know, screwed both in the edit broadly.
[00:33:20] And then even just in like the way, like the way they're kind of like, it's the fifth
[00:33:23] place person.
[00:33:24] I meant the fifth.
[00:33:25] I meant the fifth place person.
[00:33:26] Yeah.
[00:33:26] So.
[00:33:27] And they used to do final four and it was great.
[00:33:29] It was great television.
[00:33:30] Yeah.
[00:33:30] So I think that that's what they're going to do.
[00:33:33] I'm not sure necessarily how they'll structure a two hour final six episode of the show.
[00:33:40] I don't know if we like, uh, get, uh, anything else in terms of the pacing, but I think that
[00:33:44] that's what's being reported.
[00:33:46] So, uh, it'll be an interesting change.
[00:33:47] And honestly, we've all been disappointed with the survivor, uh, re after show or whatever
[00:33:53] they call it, uh, after the episode.
[00:33:55] So maybe we don't need to spend as much time there.
[00:33:58] Yeah.
[00:33:59] That'd be great.
[00:33:59] Yeah.
[00:34:00] Let me say.
[00:34:00] And we'll see if we'll get more information on that coming up.
[00:34:05] Maybe we get finally the, um, right to pass, right to passage.
[00:34:09] That'd be exciting.
[00:34:10] Yeah.
[00:34:10] Like an hour.
[00:34:11] Yeah.
[00:34:12] Look, they love to bring back old stuff.
[00:34:13] I mean, if they brought back the rites of passage, people would be pretty pumped up.
[00:34:16] I would be pumped up.
[00:34:17] I think like 80% of people would find that not good.
[00:34:19] But I love.
[00:34:20] Yeah.
[00:34:21] They'll say, Oh, remember, uh, John Lovett.
[00:34:26] Exactly.
[00:34:27] 15 minutes of John Lovett.
[00:34:30] Remember Galactus.
[00:34:33] Don't I'm just, I'm barely holding it together.
[00:34:36] Okay.
[00:34:37] Yeah.
[00:34:38] Okay.
[00:34:39] So, we'll see you in the next one.
[00:34:56] So, okay.
[00:35:09] So, okay.
[00:35:39] Let's bring in some of the questions
[00:35:41] from our listeners
[00:35:43] as we're talking through this.
[00:35:45] Okay.
[00:35:45] All right.
[00:35:46] How about Sue?
[00:35:47] Jenny asks,
[00:35:48] does Sue fly under the radar
[00:35:50] with her immunity win
[00:35:51] because it was also Kyle's third,
[00:35:52] which also makes him a big threat
[00:35:54] and may make people forget
[00:35:55] about Sue's challenge winning potential?
[00:35:57] And nobody's worried about a 45-year-old.
[00:36:00] That's true.
[00:36:01] I think that Sue is good
[00:36:03] at these challenges
[00:36:04] that are like stand still.
[00:36:06] Yeah.
[00:36:06] But there's a lot of those challenges
[00:36:08] in the merge.
[00:36:08] I think that's right.
[00:36:09] I do think that probably Sue
[00:36:11] is flying under the radar
[00:36:12] because there's so much more heat on Kyle.
[00:36:15] That's her specialty
[00:36:16] is flying under the radar.
[00:36:17] That's pretty good.
[00:36:18] That was very good.
[00:36:20] We should talk about
[00:36:21] Teenie's strategy montage
[00:36:22] because it was very interesting to me
[00:36:24] that Teenie got a whole montage
[00:36:26] of like,
[00:36:26] no, I can't let this be the vote.
[00:36:28] I need to switch up the vote.
[00:36:29] It needs to be on Sam.
[00:36:30] We see Teenie going to talk
[00:36:31] to all these different people.
[00:36:32] You know,
[00:36:33] Teenie's talking to Genevieve and Caroline.
[00:36:36] They're talking to Andy.
[00:36:37] They're talking to Gabe.
[00:36:38] And then that goes nowhere.
[00:36:40] That really has no impact
[00:36:40] on the vote at all.
[00:36:41] What do you make of that, Rob?
[00:36:43] I think that Teenie is well-liked,
[00:36:45] but I don't think that Teenie
[00:36:46] has had a lot of agency in the game.
[00:36:49] I think that people
[00:36:50] like enjoy Teenie's company,
[00:36:52] but I don't think that
[00:36:53] she has had a lot of weight
[00:36:55] in really any of the
[00:36:56] strategic conversation
[00:36:58] so far this season.
[00:36:59] Yeah.
[00:37:00] I mean,
[00:37:00] so far we've seen that
[00:37:01] everything that Teenie supports
[00:37:02] like does not happen, right?
[00:37:04] Teenie wanted to
[00:37:06] push to Gabe Asia,
[00:37:07] you know,
[00:37:08] was with Keyshawn.
[00:37:10] And then obviously,
[00:37:11] you know,
[00:37:12] this time,
[00:37:13] we would not,
[00:37:14] does not,
[00:37:14] Teenie does not get their way.
[00:37:16] The,
[00:37:16] the,
[00:37:18] but yet,
[00:37:19] like the show
[00:37:20] continues to tell us
[00:37:21] that Teenie is a very
[00:37:22] strategic player.
[00:37:24] And so,
[00:37:26] you know,
[00:37:26] I'm just saying
[00:37:27] it might be.
[00:37:28] Yeah.
[00:37:29] They're showing us
[00:37:30] definitely.
[00:37:31] You think it could still happen?
[00:37:33] I feel like that they're showing us
[00:37:34] that Teenie is very well-liked.
[00:37:36] I'm not sure.
[00:37:36] Teenie's well-liked,
[00:37:37] but also like a very thoughtful player
[00:37:38] who's like working
[00:37:40] all of the different angles.
[00:37:43] And I don't know,
[00:37:44] like to me that,
[00:37:45] you know,
[00:37:45] maybe I'm wrong,
[00:37:46] but I,
[00:37:46] I feel like I could see,
[00:37:48] I could see Teenie at the end.
[00:37:49] Okay.
[00:37:49] All right.
[00:37:51] Ryan Irwin wants to know,
[00:37:53] has there been a season
[00:37:54] where there's not a clear front runner
[00:37:56] this deep into the game?
[00:37:57] I can't think of one.
[00:37:58] The season seems wide open
[00:37:59] for winner potential.
[00:38:01] Yeah.
[00:38:01] I mean,
[00:38:02] it's really true.
[00:38:03] You could make the case
[00:38:04] for so many different people.
[00:38:05] You know,
[00:38:05] you can make the case.
[00:38:06] I think Andy will have
[00:38:07] the toughest road,
[00:38:08] but I actually could make,
[00:38:09] you could make the case
[00:38:10] for Andy too,
[00:38:12] you know,
[00:38:12] given what,
[00:38:13] how he started in the game
[00:38:14] and,
[00:38:15] you know,
[00:38:15] this,
[00:38:15] this,
[00:38:16] he's all that moment.
[00:38:17] And then,
[00:38:17] you know,
[00:38:18] who knows?
[00:38:18] Like maybe Andy has enough
[00:38:20] goodwill to,
[00:38:21] you know,
[00:38:22] to,
[00:38:22] to win it all.
[00:38:23] I think that's a long shot,
[00:38:24] but it is true
[00:38:25] that there's a lot of
[00:38:26] different people.
[00:38:27] I mean,
[00:38:27] I feel like the new era
[00:38:28] editing generally
[00:38:29] has been really enjoyable
[00:38:31] in that,
[00:38:31] in that way.
[00:38:33] Like I've had no clue
[00:38:34] who's going to win
[00:38:35] almost any season
[00:38:36] in the new era.
[00:38:37] The one person I felt like
[00:38:38] D,
[00:38:38] you know,
[00:38:38] kind of like we use
[00:38:40] a little more telegraphs
[00:38:41] than some of the others
[00:38:41] and,
[00:38:41] and,
[00:38:42] and jam,
[00:38:42] jam too,
[00:38:42] jam,
[00:38:43] jam too.
[00:38:43] Um,
[00:38:44] but other than that,
[00:38:45] um,
[00:38:46] I really have not known.
[00:38:48] So,
[00:38:49] it could go
[00:38:50] any number of ways.
[00:38:52] I think that it does speak
[00:38:53] to what you're saying
[00:38:54] about the editing
[00:38:54] in the new era
[00:38:55] about the,
[00:38:56] especially this season
[00:38:57] in particular,
[00:38:58] the editing has been
[00:38:59] very even across the board.
[00:39:01] Yeah.
[00:39:01] Yeah.
[00:39:02] I mean,
[00:39:02] and,
[00:39:03] and even the characters
[00:39:04] who I would say are,
[00:39:05] I would guess
[00:39:06] had a lot,
[00:39:07] a good winner chance,
[00:39:07] like because they had
[00:39:08] weird edits at the start
[00:39:09] of the show,
[00:39:10] you know,
[00:39:11] like we didn't see
[00:39:11] too much of Saul
[00:39:12] and Genevieve
[00:39:12] in the first two episodes.
[00:39:14] Um,
[00:39:14] Genevieve especially.
[00:39:15] And like now,
[00:39:16] if you were to ask me
[00:39:17] without any like knowledge
[00:39:19] of like who got
[00:39:19] under,
[00:39:20] under edited,
[00:39:21] I would say,
[00:39:21] oh yeah,
[00:39:22] Genevieve.
[00:39:22] Like,
[00:39:22] you know,
[00:39:23] she's totally competitive.
[00:39:24] She's gotta be likely winner,
[00:39:25] but I just don't know.
[00:39:27] Okay.
[00:39:27] Steven,
[00:39:27] according to Cecilia,
[00:39:29] the last four people
[00:39:30] to buy margaritas
[00:39:31] at the auction
[00:39:32] have been voted out.
[00:39:33] Apparently,
[00:39:33] is this a new curse?
[00:39:34] What are your thoughts
[00:39:35] for the margarita?
[00:39:36] Yeah.
[00:39:37] Okay.
[00:39:38] I know Kelly
[00:39:40] and also,
[00:39:41] uh,
[00:39:42] that this week
[00:39:42] Sierra got the margarita.
[00:39:44] I don't know
[00:39:45] who got margaritas
[00:39:46] before that.
[00:39:47] Yeah.
[00:39:47] The four margarita curse.
[00:39:49] Wow.
[00:39:49] That's dangerous.
[00:39:50] Is it possible
[00:39:51] that getting drunk
[00:39:52] on a margarita
[00:39:53] is not good
[00:39:53] for your survivor game?
[00:39:57] Maybe it's like envy.
[00:39:58] Envy takes them down
[00:39:59] because people are so mad
[00:40:00] about what a great,
[00:40:01] what a great thing they got.
[00:40:03] Were you excited
[00:40:03] that the gross food
[00:40:05] competition resurfaced?
[00:40:07] That was cute.
[00:40:07] It was a cute little homage.
[00:40:09] I mean,
[00:40:09] like two grubs
[00:40:09] is not the gross food.
[00:40:10] You would have taken
[00:40:11] them down like that.
[00:40:12] Sam did very well though.
[00:40:14] I mean,
[00:40:14] especially if being like,
[00:40:15] you know,
[00:40:15] his picky eater narrative
[00:40:16] has now come full circle.
[00:40:18] Yes.
[00:40:18] As somebody who did not struggle
[00:40:21] with that
[00:40:21] when it came up
[00:40:22] on Second Chances,
[00:40:23] what's your secret?
[00:40:25] The first secret is
[00:40:26] I kept water in my mouth.
[00:40:28] You know,
[00:40:28] your mouth can dry out.
[00:40:29] It's a challenge.
[00:40:29] It's hot.
[00:40:30] Like just like keep on getting,
[00:40:31] keep some water in your mouth
[00:40:33] before you go up there.
[00:40:34] It makes it easier
[00:40:34] to like get the stuff down.
[00:40:35] That's number one.
[00:40:36] Okay.
[00:40:37] Then just go for it.
[00:40:38] Just go for it.
[00:40:38] Are you imagining
[00:40:39] it's something else?
[00:40:41] What do you,
[00:40:41] do you have to like
[00:40:41] play any mental games?
[00:40:44] Put it in your mouth.
[00:40:44] Don't overthink it.
[00:40:45] Yeah.
[00:40:45] You got some water.
[00:40:46] It's all a physical thing.
[00:40:48] Okay.
[00:40:49] Yeah.
[00:40:50] All right.
[00:40:51] Question from NB703.
[00:40:53] Do you think it shifted
[00:40:54] from Gabe
[00:40:55] to someone
[00:40:56] from the other tribe?
[00:40:58] Why do you think
[00:40:59] it shifted from Gabe?
[00:41:00] I think it was
[00:41:00] because that
[00:41:01] the
[00:41:03] tribes wanted to take out
[00:41:04] somebody from Gata.
[00:41:06] Yeah.
[00:41:06] Yeah.
[00:41:06] And again,
[00:41:07] like if you're worried,
[00:41:08] if you're not worried
[00:41:09] about Sam,
[00:41:10] then you're also
[00:41:10] not worried about Gabe,
[00:41:11] right?
[00:41:11] For like,
[00:41:11] they sort of have
[00:41:12] the same kind of,
[00:41:13] you know,
[00:41:13] oh,
[00:41:13] he'll always be a target later.
[00:41:15] How do you feel about Gabe?
[00:41:18] I like Gabe.
[00:41:19] I like Gabe.
[00:41:20] But do you feel like that
[00:41:21] in terms of the game?
[00:41:23] Yeah.
[00:41:24] I think that Gabe
[00:41:25] might have like
[00:41:27] a little bit
[00:41:28] of a higher opinion
[00:41:29] of like where he stands
[00:41:31] in everything
[00:41:32] than maybe
[00:41:33] from what we're seeing.
[00:41:34] Do you think that Gabe
[00:41:36] has a path to the end?
[00:41:38] Yeah.
[00:41:38] Why not?
[00:41:39] I mean,
[00:41:39] Gabe is,
[00:41:39] has got,
[00:41:40] you know,
[00:41:40] he's at the center
[00:41:41] of this blue alliance.
[00:41:43] You know,
[00:41:43] I think if Gabe gets there
[00:41:44] with Kyle and Sue,
[00:41:46] you know,
[00:41:47] you know,
[00:41:47] he's got a good argument.
[00:41:48] You know,
[00:41:48] I think that,
[00:41:49] you know,
[00:41:50] Kyle obviously
[00:41:50] and Sue will also
[00:41:51] have good arguments,
[00:41:52] but,
[00:41:52] you know,
[00:41:53] that's his,
[00:41:53] that's his,
[00:41:54] that's his group.
[00:41:55] And,
[00:41:55] you know,
[00:41:56] there's obviously
[00:41:57] some biases at play there
[00:41:58] that might help,
[00:41:59] that might,
[00:42:00] that might favor him.
[00:42:01] Yeah.
[00:42:01] I think that Gabe
[00:42:02] is a fun player
[00:42:04] to watch,
[00:42:05] but I do feel like
[00:42:06] that the end
[00:42:07] is coming sooner
[00:42:08] than later for Gabe.
[00:42:10] Yeah.
[00:42:10] I don't think Gabe
[00:42:11] is going to win.
[00:42:12] Like,
[00:42:12] we've seen a lot
[00:42:13] of like him,
[00:42:14] of his like,
[00:42:15] sort of like,
[00:42:15] like a finger twirling,
[00:42:16] you know,
[00:42:18] mustachioed confessionals
[00:42:19] about how he's like
[00:42:20] manipulating everybody
[00:42:21] and they're all just
[00:42:22] pawns to him.
[00:42:22] But we haven't actually
[00:42:23] seen him moving
[00:42:24] the pawns,
[00:42:25] you know?
[00:42:25] So one part of playing,
[00:42:26] at one point,
[00:42:27] you got to get the pawns
[00:42:28] and the second half
[00:42:28] of chess is moving
[00:42:29] the pawns.
[00:42:30] Um,
[00:42:30] and we haven't seen
[00:42:31] a lot of that from him.
[00:42:32] So my maybe hot take
[00:42:35] on Gabe is that Gabe
[00:42:36] has been pretty unlucky
[00:42:37] in the game
[00:42:38] in that,
[00:42:39] uh,
[00:42:39] twofold that he has had
[00:42:41] almost no food
[00:42:43] compared to the other players
[00:42:44] where there are some players
[00:42:46] like Teenie and Sam,
[00:42:48] I think,
[00:42:48] who have eaten nonstop
[00:42:51] these last four episodes.
[00:42:52] They went,
[00:42:52] they got a hot dog.
[00:42:53] They were on the winning
[00:42:55] side of the mergatory.
[00:42:56] Then they won,
[00:42:57] uh,
[00:42:58] to go to the baby back ribs.
[00:42:59] Uh,
[00:43:00] and then they went
[00:43:01] to the auction.
[00:43:02] Uh,
[00:43:02] that's a lot of food.
[00:43:03] Gabe got no hot dog,
[00:43:05] was on the losing side
[00:43:06] of mergatory.
[00:43:07] The was on the losing side,
[00:43:09] uh,
[00:43:09] when they split the tribes
[00:43:10] and then got a coconut
[00:43:11] filled with cold water.
[00:43:13] He got to eat a couple
[00:43:14] scoops of peanut butter.
[00:43:15] That's it for Gabe.
[00:43:16] He's also not had
[00:43:17] a lot of access
[00:43:18] to relationships.
[00:43:20] He didn't go
[00:43:21] to the survivor social.
[00:43:22] He was with the,
[00:43:23] the losers.
[00:43:24] Uh,
[00:43:24] that was only like
[00:43:25] a group of what,
[00:43:26] what,
[00:43:26] uh,
[00:43:27] four other people
[00:43:27] and one of them
[00:43:28] was Rome.
[00:43:29] Who's no longer there.
[00:43:30] Uh,
[00:43:31] he was with only Rachel
[00:43:33] and his starting tribe,
[00:43:35] uh,
[00:43:35] at the split tribal council
[00:43:37] twist.
[00:43:37] So he has not been able
[00:43:39] to necessarily form
[00:43:40] as many other relationships
[00:43:42] outside of Tuku.
[00:43:44] That's a great observation
[00:43:45] on his overall state
[00:43:46] of the game.
[00:43:46] That's fantastic.
[00:43:47] Well,
[00:43:47] thank you very much.
[00:43:48] I appreciate that.
[00:43:49] Oh yeah.
[00:43:50] Um,
[00:43:50] but I just,
[00:43:50] so I think that Gabe
[00:43:51] is,
[00:43:51] I think is a,
[00:43:52] a talented player,
[00:43:54] but I think he's had
[00:43:54] bad circumstances.
[00:43:56] Yeah,
[00:43:56] no,
[00:43:56] I,
[00:43:57] I really liked him especially.
[00:43:58] I mean,
[00:43:58] we saw a lot more of him
[00:43:59] in the pre-emerge
[00:43:59] and I really enjoyed him.
[00:44:00] I mean,
[00:44:00] he was super fun
[00:44:01] the first episode,
[00:44:02] you know,
[00:44:03] he immediately built
[00:44:03] that alliance
[00:44:04] with Sue and Caroline.
[00:44:05] He,
[00:44:06] you know,
[00:44:06] a lot of fun
[00:44:07] with the idol.
[00:44:08] Um,
[00:44:13] I really liked him
[00:44:13] and I'm sort of
[00:44:14] actually surprised
[00:44:15] because I did feel
[00:44:15] like the show
[00:44:16] was kind of setting him
[00:44:16] up to be a bigger
[00:44:17] character than he's
[00:44:17] ultimately been so far.
[00:44:19] I feel like we have
[00:44:20] to see some more from him.
[00:44:21] I think it would just,
[00:44:21] if he just sort of like
[00:44:22] randomly went out,
[00:44:23] it would kind of feel like
[00:44:24] I need,
[00:44:24] I want some more,
[00:44:25] you know,
[00:44:26] puppeteering.
[00:44:27] Yeah.
[00:44:27] Don't be expecting
[00:44:28] to be on the Mount Rushmore
[00:44:29] of the new era.
[00:44:31] Yeah.
[00:44:32] Maybe that was the problem.
[00:44:33] You think it was hubris?
[00:44:34] Maybe.
[00:44:35] Uh,
[00:44:36] okay.
[00:44:36] Setting the pace,
[00:44:37] colon,
[00:44:38] a Pacers podcast
[00:44:39] is Robin Steven.
[00:44:40] Do you think that Andy
[00:44:41] should have lost his vote
[00:44:42] for not finding any money
[00:44:43] for the auction?
[00:44:44] Punishing a player
[00:44:45] who actually found money
[00:44:46] over a player
[00:44:46] who doesn't make,
[00:44:47] uh,
[00:44:48] who didn't,
[00:44:48] doesn't make sense.
[00:44:50] That is an interesting loophole.
[00:44:51] Yeah.
[00:44:52] Um,
[00:44:53] I saw someone on Twitter
[00:44:54] was suggesting that
[00:44:55] the way they should do it
[00:44:56] actually,
[00:44:56] and this is like adding
[00:44:57] like complication
[00:44:58] on complication,
[00:44:58] is at the end
[00:44:59] they flip a coin
[00:45:00] and the,
[00:45:01] whether it's the person
[00:45:02] with the most money
[00:45:03] or the person
[00:45:04] with the least money.
[00:45:06] So it's like either
[00:45:06] the person with the most money
[00:45:07] loses or the person
[00:45:08] with the least money loses.
[00:45:09] So now suddenly it's like
[00:45:10] More than zero.
[00:45:11] No,
[00:45:12] because you,
[00:45:12] then you wouldn't,
[00:45:13] you wouldn't have zero.
[00:45:14] Like you,
[00:45:15] it's a,
[00:45:15] you,
[00:45:15] you know,
[00:45:15] people would avoid
[00:45:16] getting down to zero
[00:45:17] in order to not have zero.
[00:45:20] So once you buy something,
[00:45:22] then you're out of contention
[00:45:24] for the coin flip.
[00:45:26] No,
[00:45:26] no,
[00:45:26] at the end of the game,
[00:45:27] you see,
[00:45:28] you see all the number,
[00:45:28] this person has this amount,
[00:45:30] this person has that amount
[00:45:31] and then they flip a coin.
[00:45:32] But then what are we even doing?
[00:45:34] That's what I'm saying.
[00:45:35] It's too complicated,
[00:45:35] but it's not like
[00:45:36] the way it is,
[00:45:37] is like,
[00:45:37] it is sort of like
[00:45:38] there's too,
[00:45:38] too many loopholes.
[00:45:40] What do you think about the idea
[00:45:41] that Andy,
[00:45:42] and this is,
[00:45:43] I had posited this theory
[00:45:44] of that.
[00:45:45] Could Andy have gone out there,
[00:45:48] looked for money?
[00:45:49] What,
[00:45:49] what,
[00:45:50] it wasn't going well.
[00:45:51] And then at some point
[00:45:53] just decides,
[00:45:54] okay,
[00:45:54] well now I'm all or nothing.
[00:45:57] I'm going to stop looking for money
[00:45:59] because I don't want to go
[00:46:01] into the auction
[00:46:01] with like $100
[00:46:03] and then end up being like
[00:46:05] Bruce and losing my vote.
[00:46:06] Yeah,
[00:46:07] that's interesting.
[00:46:07] That's a,
[00:46:07] that could be a,
[00:46:08] that's a very viable,
[00:46:09] good strategy.
[00:46:10] I mean,
[00:46:10] we did see him like
[00:46:11] aggressively missing
[00:46:12] a lot of money out there,
[00:46:13] but it's totally possible
[00:46:14] that you're right.
[00:46:14] Like at some point,
[00:46:15] he was like,
[00:46:15] But was he playing out like,
[00:46:16] oh my God,
[00:46:17] you guys,
[00:46:18] like I'm horrible at this.
[00:46:19] Like,
[00:46:19] was he sort of like
[00:46:20] playing up that,
[00:46:21] like,
[00:46:22] oh,
[00:46:22] I don't know what I'm doing.
[00:46:23] I'm sure there was some of that
[00:46:24] towards the end,
[00:46:25] but I don't know.
[00:46:26] I never really totally buy that
[00:46:28] when like the players,
[00:46:29] like,
[00:46:29] you know,
[00:46:30] the,
[00:46:30] the argument that the players
[00:46:31] flaws or,
[00:46:32] or screw ups are all secretly
[00:46:33] strategic at,
[00:46:34] at heart,
[00:46:35] um,
[00:46:36] you know,
[00:46:36] because we're all flawed
[00:46:37] mess up people,
[00:46:38] right?
[00:46:39] For sure.
[00:46:40] For sure.
[00:46:40] Yeah.
[00:46:42] Um,
[00:46:42] what,
[00:46:43] what about though,
[00:46:44] which I'm sure you talked about
[00:46:45] with Dr. Hibiki,
[00:46:47] Sierra's decision
[00:46:47] to not give Andy
[00:46:49] chocolate and peanut butter.
[00:46:50] So I don't know.
[00:46:52] I don't think that that
[00:46:52] really bought anything.
[00:46:54] Maybe,
[00:46:54] you know,
[00:46:54] we'll hear from Andy,
[00:46:55] like,
[00:46:55] oh my God,
[00:46:56] when she didn't give me
[00:46:57] peanut butter,
[00:46:57] that's it.
[00:46:58] Uh,
[00:46:58] uh,
[00:46:59] you know,
[00:46:59] she was dead to me,
[00:47:01] but she gave it to Gabe
[00:47:02] and Gabe was like leading
[00:47:03] the charge of vote out
[00:47:04] Sierra.
[00:47:05] Yeah.
[00:47:06] But it's not going to ever
[00:47:07] like win over an ally,
[00:47:08] but it might show a like
[00:47:10] wavering ally,
[00:47:11] you know?
[00:47:12] Oh,
[00:47:12] Hey,
[00:47:12] I do care about you.
[00:47:13] You know,
[00:47:13] it's never going to like
[00:47:14] be the thing that like
[00:47:14] convinces an enemy
[00:47:15] that you're on their side.
[00:47:17] Yeah.
[00:47:18] You know,
[00:47:18] that's why I'm all like,
[00:47:19] I'm pro taking your allies
[00:47:20] on rewards because I
[00:47:21] think like the risk of
[00:47:23] like alienating them by
[00:47:24] not giving them.
[00:47:25] It's a good point.
[00:47:25] Greater than like any
[00:47:27] gain you get from taking
[00:47:28] someone who's opposed to
[00:47:29] you.
[00:47:29] You know,
[00:47:29] something else that came
[00:47:30] out of the exit interview
[00:47:32] I did with Sierra was I
[00:47:34] asked her about the,
[00:47:36] uh,
[00:47:37] safety without power.
[00:47:38] And who did Sierra
[00:47:40] think use the safety
[00:47:42] without power on,
[00:47:44] uh,
[00:47:45] Rachel to take her out
[00:47:46] of that tribal council
[00:47:47] because she knew it
[00:47:48] wasn't her.
[00:47:48] She must've known it
[00:47:50] wasn't Sam.
[00:47:50] So of the other people
[00:47:51] there,
[00:47:52] what did she think
[00:47:52] happened?
[00:47:53] And what she said was
[00:47:54] she thought Andy was
[00:47:56] the person that used it
[00:47:58] to save Rachel.
[00:47:59] And that was also
[00:48:00] something that made her
[00:48:01] feel like,
[00:48:01] Oh,
[00:48:01] Andy is more is really
[00:48:03] on board with us
[00:48:04] because he just used
[00:48:05] the advantage to save
[00:48:06] Rachel.
[00:48:07] Right.
[00:48:07] That's interesting.
[00:48:08] So like,
[00:48:08] she was like,
[00:48:09] I don't need to worry
[00:48:09] about him.
[00:48:09] He's,
[00:48:10] he's all short up.
[00:48:11] He's got us wrong.
[00:48:11] She was probably
[00:48:12] feeling pretty good.
[00:48:13] I think that he did a
[00:48:14] good job of snowing
[00:48:15] them.
[00:48:15] Yeah.
[00:48:16] I've been a lot of
[00:48:16] people have,
[00:48:17] you know,
[00:48:18] lost out in Survivor
[00:48:19] by taking their allies
[00:48:20] for granted.
[00:48:21] Yep.
[00:48:21] You know,
[00:48:21] as you know,
[00:48:21] very well.
[00:48:22] I do.
[00:48:23] You know,
[00:48:23] because you pulled
[00:48:25] them all in,
[00:48:25] you flipped them.
[00:48:26] Okay.
[00:48:26] Yeah.
[00:48:27] You were the,
[00:48:27] you know,
[00:48:28] you were the Saul
[00:48:29] of the situation.
[00:48:30] People took me
[00:48:31] for granted.
[00:48:32] Well,
[00:48:33] I mean,
[00:48:33] yeah,
[00:48:33] of course.
[00:48:34] Okay.
[00:48:34] No,
[00:48:35] but you're the Saul.
[00:48:35] You're like,
[00:48:36] you know,
[00:48:36] Rob's,
[00:48:37] you know,
[00:48:37] you get,
[00:48:37] you had your,
[00:48:38] your Matthew,
[00:48:40] your Jenna.
[00:48:41] Sure.
[00:48:41] And Matthew could eat
[00:48:42] the grub.
[00:48:43] No problem.
[00:48:44] Which?
[00:48:44] Mm hmm.
[00:48:45] Yep.
[00:48:46] Can you name any others?
[00:48:48] Of your secret,
[00:48:48] of your little group?
[00:48:49] Of,
[00:48:50] yeah.
[00:48:50] I mean,
[00:48:51] Alex,
[00:48:51] you know,
[00:48:52] like,
[00:48:52] yeah,
[00:48:52] sure.
[00:48:53] Yeah.
[00:48:53] Why not?
[00:48:53] I can like them all.
[00:48:54] It's so crazy,
[00:48:55] you know,
[00:48:55] how vividly I remember
[00:48:57] like all those pre new era seasons.
[00:48:59] And now it's like name four people
[00:49:00] from Survivor 44.
[00:49:02] Exactly.
[00:49:03] I mean,
[00:49:04] I could,
[00:49:04] of course I could do that
[00:49:05] because like,
[00:49:06] you know,
[00:49:06] but like,
[00:49:06] you know,
[00:49:07] just name the final four.
[00:49:08] Mm hmm.
[00:49:08] All right.
[00:49:10] Um,
[00:49:10] Allison was a,
[00:49:11] do we think Sam can bounce back?
[00:49:13] And,
[00:49:13] uh,
[00:49:14] get into the tribe?
[00:49:16] I'm sorry.
[00:49:16] Do we think that Sam can bounce back
[00:49:18] and get back in with the tribe
[00:49:19] after the Andy betrayal?
[00:49:21] I think so.
[00:49:22] I mean,
[00:49:23] there's also always a world,
[00:49:24] you know,
[00:49:25] and now Andy is under Saul's protection
[00:49:27] and we know that is extremely powerful
[00:49:28] as we saw this episode with Rachel.
[00:49:29] But,
[00:49:30] um,
[00:49:30] you know,
[00:49:30] there's always a world where the person who flips
[00:49:32] is sort of like the uniform vote out.
[00:49:35] That's like,
[00:49:35] that's a,
[00:49:36] you know,
[00:49:36] a historical thing.
[00:49:37] Maybe it happens less now
[00:49:38] since the divisions are,
[00:49:39] are a little more porous,
[00:49:40] but,
[00:49:40] um,
[00:49:41] it certainly was a very common phenomenon,
[00:49:42] you know,
[00:49:42] back in classic survivor.
[00:49:44] What do you think happens next for Andy?
[00:49:46] Yeah.
[00:49:47] I mean,
[00:49:47] he either gets voted out
[00:49:48] or he goes all the way
[00:49:49] or something between.
[00:49:51] Yeah.
[00:49:51] But do you think that it's more likely
[00:49:52] that he's out sooner or later?
[00:49:55] I,
[00:49:55] I really could see Andy being there
[00:49:57] in the final three.
[00:49:58] I would not be surprised
[00:49:59] if the final three
[00:50:00] were Teenie,
[00:50:01] Sue,
[00:50:01] and Andy,
[00:50:02] you know,
[00:50:02] the sort of least
[00:50:04] in the mix person on,
[00:50:06] I mean,
[00:50:06] Sue's very much in the mix
[00:50:07] on,
[00:50:12] the different tracks.
[00:50:13] I could see that.
[00:50:14] I feel like Andy
[00:50:16] is probably out sooner.
[00:50:18] I don't think Andy
[00:50:19] makes it to the final three.
[00:50:20] Yeah.
[00:50:20] I would not be surprised
[00:50:21] if he was next.
[00:50:22] Okay.
[00:50:22] Like,
[00:50:22] he,
[00:50:22] he like got his revenge
[00:50:24] on Gata
[00:50:25] and now everybody's like,
[00:50:26] let's,
[00:50:26] let's just,
[00:50:27] you know,
[00:50:27] give her a damn.
[00:50:28] All right.
[00:50:29] Um,
[00:50:29] question from Tyler,
[00:50:31] uh,
[00:50:31] who says,
[00:50:32] uh,
[00:50:32] for Robin Stephen,
[00:50:33] how does someone who,
[00:50:34] uh,
[00:50:34] how does someone
[00:50:35] perceive to be a threat
[00:50:37] want to keep,
[00:50:38] I'm sorry.
[00:50:39] Let me try this again.
[00:50:42] How does someone
[00:50:42] be perceived as a threat
[00:50:44] and want to be kept in
[00:50:46] as a shield by the other players
[00:50:47] who also has seemingly
[00:50:48] no way to win
[00:50:49] if they did get to the end?
[00:50:51] But why would Sam
[00:50:52] have no way to win
[00:50:52] if he gets,
[00:50:53] if he gets to the end?
[00:50:54] Like I,
[00:50:54] he,
[00:50:54] he specifies,
[00:50:55] he's talking about Sam
[00:50:56] Tyler Meyer music.
[00:50:57] Um,
[00:50:58] I see,
[00:50:59] I could see Tim,
[00:50:59] Sam winning
[00:51:00] if he gets to the end,
[00:51:01] especially with Sierra
[00:51:01] mayor Ponderosa.
[00:51:03] Yeah,
[00:51:03] exactly.
[00:51:04] And like,
[00:51:04] you know,
[00:51:04] he played a good game
[00:51:06] and,
[00:51:07] you know,
[00:51:08] had this like thing happen
[00:51:09] where he lost his best ally,
[00:51:10] like right at the jury start.
[00:51:12] Um,
[00:51:13] and now he's like fighting
[00:51:14] from behind,
[00:51:15] you know,
[00:51:15] the,
[00:51:15] the jury always roots
[00:51:16] for the underdog.
[00:51:17] I mean,
[00:51:17] there's a,
[00:51:18] there's a world where like Sam
[00:51:19] like embodies both top dog
[00:51:20] and underdog.
[00:51:22] Yeah.
[00:51:22] He was,
[00:51:23] he was the top dog
[00:51:24] and then he became
[00:51:25] the underdog.
[00:51:26] Then can he go back
[00:51:27] to being the top dog?
[00:51:29] I totally could see Sam
[00:51:30] winning this season.
[00:51:31] I would not be surprised at all.
[00:51:32] Yeah.
[00:51:33] All right.
[00:51:35] Anything else you're seeing,
[00:51:36] Steven?
[00:51:37] How did you feel about the,
[00:51:39] um,
[00:51:40] the news,
[00:51:40] the news breaks from Sam?
[00:51:42] Is this going to be a part of,
[00:51:44] uh,
[00:51:44] I saw Rick Devins asking like,
[00:51:46] is,
[00:51:46] is he stealing my bit?
[00:51:48] That's my move.
[00:51:49] Yeah.
[00:51:50] But Sam is like a reporter.
[00:51:52] Mm-hmm.
[00:51:52] Does Rick just get to like shut down
[00:51:54] every single reporter
[00:51:56] in the future on Survivor?
[00:51:57] I mean,
[00:51:58] didn't like Sean Rector do that
[00:51:59] or something,
[00:52:00] you know,
[00:52:00] or wasn't that part of like,
[00:52:01] Sean Rector was doing like
[00:52:02] a morning show.
[00:52:03] So I think that's
[00:52:05] Sean Rector's bit,
[00:52:06] Rick.
[00:52:07] Yeah.
[00:52:07] Like,
[00:52:08] I think that Rick
[00:52:09] from what I've seen
[00:52:11] from his career,
[00:52:12] like he was like a man
[00:52:14] at a desk.
[00:52:14] I don't know how much,
[00:52:15] how much,
[00:52:15] uh,
[00:52:16] reporting he did
[00:52:17] from the field.
[00:52:18] Um,
[00:52:19] but then I,
[00:52:21] in terms of Sam,
[00:52:22] I know he's like an NFL reporter,
[00:52:25] but I don't know if he necessarily
[00:52:27] does too much like breaking news.
[00:52:29] This is what's happening.
[00:52:31] Like he's,
[00:52:31] I don't think that's necessarily
[00:52:32] his job either.
[00:52:34] Yeah.
[00:52:34] Get out in the field.
[00:52:35] Like I've seen him like,
[00:52:36] like interviewing players
[00:52:37] and stuff like that.
[00:52:39] Yeah.
[00:52:39] Going to the locker rooms.
[00:52:41] Do you see a sports announcer
[00:52:43] Alliance forming for Survivor 50?
[00:52:45] Yes.
[00:52:46] That would be,
[00:52:46] that would be ideal.
[00:52:49] They could like,
[00:52:49] no Rick from the desk
[00:52:50] could pass to Sam
[00:52:51] in the field,
[00:52:52] you know,
[00:52:52] great.
[00:52:53] That's a great bid.
[00:52:54] Yeah.
[00:52:54] Survivor,
[00:52:54] you can take that.
[00:52:55] You can run like a whole
[00:52:56] sports center.
[00:52:57] Yeah.
[00:52:57] I like it.
[00:52:58] Okay.
[00:52:59] Yeah.
[00:53:01] Steven next week.
[00:53:02] Looks like Sam is on the war
[00:53:03] path going for Andy.
[00:53:06] Uh,
[00:53:06] do you think that,
[00:53:07] what are the chances
[00:53:08] that the next person voted
[00:53:09] out is either Sam or Andy?
[00:53:12] Medium.
[00:53:12] What do you think?
[00:53:14] Hi.
[00:53:15] Hi.
[00:53:15] Hi.
[00:53:16] Is it hi?
[00:53:18] I don't know how these two
[00:53:19] get back on the same page.
[00:53:21] Yeah.
[00:53:21] I,
[00:53:22] that would be very tough
[00:53:23] after,
[00:53:24] after this.
[00:53:25] Um,
[00:53:25] I do think,
[00:53:26] I think there's a world,
[00:53:27] a very,
[00:53:28] like a very likely world
[00:53:29] where it could be Andy.
[00:53:30] Yeah.
[00:53:31] I could see them coming back around,
[00:53:32] especially if Sam wins immunity.
[00:53:34] Also that,
[00:53:35] uh,
[00:53:35] we were talking about
[00:53:36] on the patron call yesterday
[00:53:37] that Sam still has the idol.
[00:53:41] That was the one use idol
[00:53:42] that,
[00:53:43] uh,
[00:53:44] other people,
[00:53:45] uh,
[00:53:46] don't know is expired
[00:53:47] and that he could potentially
[00:53:49] use that to his advantage
[00:53:51] next time.
[00:53:52] Yeah.
[00:53:52] I mean,
[00:53:53] there's a world where it's Kyle,
[00:53:54] right?
[00:53:54] Kyle loses and everyone's like,
[00:53:55] we got to get him out now.
[00:53:57] Yep.
[00:53:57] The Tyson thing of where,
[00:53:59] okay,
[00:53:59] oh,
[00:53:59] he finally didn't win one.
[00:54:00] Let's take the shot now.
[00:54:01] Yeah.
[00:54:02] Okay.
[00:54:04] All right.
[00:54:04] And so we will be back together
[00:54:05] on Thursday
[00:54:06] to talk about
[00:54:08] all of that.
[00:54:09] Uh,
[00:54:09] Steven,
[00:54:10] what's going on for you
[00:54:10] in the meantime?
[00:54:12] You know,
[00:54:12] I just,
[00:54:13] I had this,
[00:54:13] this wisdom teeth
[00:54:14] and just recovering,
[00:54:15] just recovering,
[00:54:16] you know,
[00:54:16] just recovering.
[00:54:17] And then tomorrow
[00:54:18] we're going to be
[00:54:19] taping our next episode.
[00:54:21] Did you know about this,
[00:54:22] right,
[00:54:22] Rob?
[00:54:22] Because you're supposed to be there.
[00:54:23] We're going to be taping.
[00:54:24] Yes.
[00:54:24] I was aware of this.
[00:54:25] I wasn't sure you,
[00:54:26] we were,
[00:54:26] uh,
[00:54:27] announcing it.
[00:54:28] So,
[00:54:28] uh,
[00:54:28] so early,
[00:54:29] but tell people to get ready.
[00:54:31] Can I,
[00:54:31] can I announce it?
[00:54:32] I think it's too late.
[00:54:33] I think go for it.
[00:54:33] Yeah.
[00:54:34] we're taping our next episode
[00:54:36] of the survivors play blood
[00:54:36] on the clock tower.
[00:54:37] It won't be out for a long time
[00:54:38] because it takes us like a long
[00:54:39] time in post to like
[00:54:41] actually edit it together,
[00:54:43] but I'm really excited,
[00:54:44] you know,
[00:54:44] and just,
[00:54:45] you know,
[00:54:45] just kind of like a teaser
[00:54:45] throw it out there,
[00:54:46] you know,
[00:54:46] get ready,
[00:54:47] get ready.
[00:54:47] Cause there will be more
[00:54:48] survivors playing blood
[00:54:49] on the clock tower.
[00:54:50] And who knows if it's a bad
[00:54:51] game,
[00:54:52] like maybe we never delete it.
[00:54:53] Yep.
[00:54:53] Yeah.
[00:54:58] The initial one that we did
[00:54:59] check out on our YouTube
[00:55:00] channel,
[00:55:00] survivors play a blood
[00:55:01] on the clock tower.
[00:55:03] People said that it was
[00:55:04] so much fun.
[00:55:05] They wanted us to do more.
[00:55:06] And so we have answered the
[00:55:08] call.
[00:55:08] Give the people what they
[00:55:09] want is what we say.
[00:55:10] But if I look bad,
[00:55:11] we might not,
[00:55:12] we might delete it.
[00:55:12] Like if I look dumb,
[00:55:13] I think like in that thing
[00:55:14] never sees the light of day.
[00:55:15] Okay.
[00:55:16] All right.
[00:55:16] So that's gonna be a lot of
[00:55:17] fun coming up.
[00:55:19] And so be on the lookout
[00:55:20] for that.
[00:55:21] And then for us,
[00:55:23] I mentioned she's all that
[00:55:25] coming up with Chappelle
[00:55:26] and Josh Wigler.
[00:55:28] It was a fun podcast.
[00:55:29] We recorded it earlier today.
[00:55:31] So that's a good one.
[00:55:33] And then also I mentioned
[00:55:34] the patron two and a half
[00:55:36] hour call I did yesterday
[00:55:38] talking about a lot of the
[00:55:40] interesting strategic things
[00:55:41] going on in the game.
[00:55:42] So many good calls from the
[00:55:44] patrons.
[00:55:45] These is what was your,
[00:55:46] what was the,
[00:55:46] can you give us a,
[00:55:47] like a peek at one of the
[00:55:48] top calls?
[00:55:49] Oh,
[00:55:49] I mean,
[00:55:50] I think that a lot of the
[00:55:51] stuff,
[00:55:52] you know,
[00:55:53] that we talked about here
[00:55:54] today were things that,
[00:55:55] you know,
[00:55:55] I've been talking about with
[00:55:56] the patrons.
[00:55:57] So,
[00:55:57] you know,
[00:55:58] more for anything more in
[00:56:01] depth,
[00:56:01] a lot of the topics we
[00:56:02] talk about,
[00:56:02] check out that patron call.
[00:56:03] And then on Monday,
[00:56:04] I'll be back with Chappelle
[00:56:05] for Club Condo talking
[00:56:07] about all of the fun that
[00:56:09] we had with this episode.
[00:56:10] Wow.
[00:56:11] Rob,
[00:56:12] how was the North Carolina
[00:56:14] viewing event?
[00:56:14] Oh,
[00:56:14] it was a pretty fun night.
[00:56:16] I went to UNC in Chapel
[00:56:20] Hill on Monday,
[00:56:21] on sorry,
[00:56:21] Saturday night.
[00:56:22] I brought my whole family,
[00:56:23] which was fun because I
[00:56:25] really don't bring the whole
[00:56:26] crew to these events.
[00:56:28] And so my family got to meet
[00:56:31] Sandra and Johnny Fairplay
[00:56:33] and Crystal Cox and Sabrina
[00:56:35] Thompson and Jane Bright.
[00:56:38] I know I was going to say
[00:56:39] really like some of the,
[00:56:40] some like,
[00:56:40] like I haven't seen Crystal
[00:56:42] or Jane,
[00:56:43] you know,
[00:56:43] anything.
[00:56:44] Yes.
[00:56:44] I mean,
[00:56:45] Jane,
[00:56:45] Jane was for like a year or
[00:56:46] two was,
[00:56:47] you know,
[00:56:47] you'd see her out,
[00:56:47] but like amazing.
[00:56:49] How,
[00:56:49] how,
[00:56:49] how is it talking to
[00:56:50] catching up with Jane?
[00:56:51] Yeah.
[00:56:51] Jane is a big survivor fan.
[00:56:53] She says she watches
[00:56:54] every episode like four or five
[00:56:57] times.
[00:56:58] What?
[00:56:58] Yeah.
[00:56:59] Really?
[00:56:59] Yes.
[00:57:00] That's the,
[00:57:00] I mean,
[00:57:01] by the,
[00:57:01] by the second,
[00:57:02] you know,
[00:57:03] she's loves it.
[00:57:04] She loves survivor and she's
[00:57:05] super into it.
[00:57:06] You know,
[00:57:06] I don't know if you saw this,
[00:57:08] but what we did that we,
[00:57:09] that we did an auction in,
[00:57:11] uh,
[00:57:11] at UNC.
[00:57:13] Um,
[00:57:14] no,
[00:57:14] that's so fun.
[00:57:15] I didn't see it.
[00:57:15] What happened?
[00:57:16] Did you auction?
[00:57:17] Yeah.
[00:57:17] So they had an auction after the,
[00:57:20] were you the auctioneer?
[00:57:21] Yeah,
[00:57:21] I was the auctioneer.
[00:57:22] And so we ended up like,
[00:57:24] they hid like advantages,
[00:57:26] like around the room,
[00:57:27] like under people's chairs.
[00:57:28] And then if you,
[00:57:29] it said like,
[00:57:29] if you find this advantage,
[00:57:31] don't say anything,
[00:57:31] you're going to be participating in a special thing at the end of the show.
[00:57:34] And so then at the end of the episode,
[00:57:37] I called up all the people who found the advantages and they got an envelope filled with fake money to bid on things for the auction.
[00:57:45] And so they had things like buffs and they had things like for food items.
[00:57:49] But the last thing was we had the real gavel and the block from the auction from Fiji,
[00:57:55] like the real prop from the episode.
[00:57:57] So someone got it.
[00:57:58] So yeah,
[00:57:58] two people,
[00:57:59] uh,
[00:57:59] uh,
[00:57:59] women pulled their money.
[00:58:01] I let them pull their money together and then they got the,
[00:58:04] yeah,
[00:58:05] that's out in the wild.
[00:58:06] Yeah.
[00:58:07] Did you use a British accent?
[00:58:09] No,
[00:58:09] I did not.
[00:58:10] I did.
[00:58:10] I said,
[00:58:11] what did you think of Jeff?
[00:58:12] Uh,
[00:58:12] if I did Shakespeare in the park,
[00:58:14] it would sound like this.
[00:58:16] I don't know if you've seen Shakespeare in the park.
[00:58:20] I thought it was cute.
[00:58:21] It was like cute.
[00:58:22] It's like when,
[00:58:22] when Jeff is sort of like dorky and like daddy,
[00:58:24] like that's,
[00:58:25] that's sort of cute.
[00:58:26] He talked about it on the on fire podcast,
[00:58:27] why he kept it in there.
[00:58:28] He's like,
[00:58:28] I know it was bad.
[00:58:29] That's why,
[00:58:30] but I'm putting myself out there.
[00:58:32] I'm being vulnerable.
[00:58:33] Yeah.
[00:58:33] Um,
[00:58:34] I'm sure if it was like amazing,
[00:58:35] he probably wouldn't have kept it in.
[00:58:36] Cause that would have been sort of like,
[00:58:37] that would have been weirder.
[00:58:38] Right?
[00:58:38] Like the badness is sort of what made it,
[00:58:40] you know,
[00:58:40] charming.
[00:58:41] It was like,
[00:58:41] so like broke out this like perfect Shakespearean accent.
[00:58:44] But I think what's funny with that is that Emily,
[00:58:47] when she called him out last time,
[00:58:49] she's like,
[00:58:49] that's the margarita because look at how he's carrying the tray.
[00:58:53] Then I think he's really like into like the fake out of like,
[00:58:58] what am I holding?
[00:58:58] I don't know.
[00:58:59] Is it a,
[00:59:00] is it,
[00:59:00] is there liquid in here?
[00:59:02] Yeah.
[00:59:03] Who knew the burger?
[00:59:05] Who?
[00:59:05] Oh,
[00:59:06] uh,
[00:59:06] it was Rachel.
[00:59:08] Oh,
[00:59:08] that's right.
[00:59:08] She deserves the fishy just for that.
[00:59:10] Okay.
[00:59:11] Great.
[00:59:11] Great.
[00:59:12] But let me posit this to you.
[00:59:15] Okay.
[00:59:15] Yeah.
[00:59:15] You know how it is when you're on survivor,
[00:59:17] you have heightened senses of smell.
[00:59:20] Is it possible?
[00:59:21] Rachel could smell the burger from under the covered item,
[00:59:25] but also like your sense of smell is so overwhelmed with like the dirt
[00:59:29] from the stink from your neighboring contestants.
[00:59:31] No,
[00:59:31] I feel like that when there were people in,
[00:59:34] in the Amazon,
[00:59:35] like the camera people could come in.
[00:59:37] Like you,
[00:59:38] I feel like that.
[00:59:38] Oh yeah.
[00:59:39] Yeah.
[00:59:39] You were like,
[00:59:40] you've been drinking all night.
[00:59:42] Like you've,
[00:59:42] you had Cheetos.
[00:59:43] Like,
[00:59:44] uh,
[00:59:44] you know,
[00:59:44] you could really,
[00:59:46] I feel like,
[00:59:47] like new,
[00:59:47] like,
[00:59:48] uh,
[00:59:48] you're very primal.
[00:59:49] Like,
[00:59:49] uh,
[00:59:49] I wonder if Rachel and another good question for Rachel could ask on
[00:59:53] Twitter.
[00:59:54] Could Rachel smell that it was a burger underneath the covered item?
[00:59:58] Yeah.
[00:59:59] By the way,
[00:59:59] Rachel chiming in on Twitter to like very quickly be like,
[01:00:02] no,
[01:00:02] no,
[01:00:02] yes,
[01:00:03] yes.
[01:00:03] Like this is how this,
[01:00:04] you know,
[01:00:05] response to my tweet.
[01:00:07] It was great.
[01:00:08] That's what I want from the contestants in the news.
[01:00:09] era.
[01:00:09] Just like very quickly.
[01:00:10] Tell me what's right.
[01:00:12] And what's wrong.
[01:00:12] You saw so many of our questions.
[01:00:14] We can talk about this on the know-it-alls without looking dumb.
[01:00:17] I probably would have spent 10 minutes.
[01:00:18] She didn't over explain anything.
[01:00:20] Right.
[01:00:21] And she's not engaging in any like Twitter beef.
[01:00:23] Like,
[01:00:24] you know,
[01:00:24] like you see the Twitter beef.
[01:00:25] She did drag David Bloomberg pretty good the other day.
[01:00:27] Oh no,
[01:00:28] but who wouldn't we all do.
[01:00:30] And that's,
[01:00:30] that's the right way to behave.
[01:00:31] Um,
[01:00:32] but you know,
[01:00:32] but no,
[01:00:33] I mean,
[01:00:33] she's like with the other contestants,
[01:00:34] you know,
[01:00:34] and as soon as you see like the back and forth,
[01:00:36] like with Gabe and Rome,
[01:00:37] you're like,
[01:00:38] well,
[01:00:38] Gabe's not winning now.
[01:00:39] Only Tony is a lunatic on Twitter.
[01:00:41] And then it's a game.
[01:00:42] And so maybe there's some Tony upside for Gabe,
[01:00:44] but like,
[01:00:45] you know,
[01:00:45] it makes you think it makes you wonder.
[01:00:47] Yeah.
[01:00:47] Tony certainly on the Mount Rushmore of the old era.
[01:00:50] Yeah.
[01:00:50] So maybe,
[01:00:51] maybe Gabe is,
[01:00:52] is honoring Tony with his Twitter.
[01:00:54] Tony.
[01:00:55] Okay.
[01:00:55] All right.
[01:00:56] Thank you so much for joining us.
[01:00:57] Take care of everybody.
[01:00:57] Have a good one.
[01:00:58] Bye.
[01:01:56] Big thanks to Eric Barger who composed the beautiful ballad.
[01:01:58] You just heard hear more of his music at it electric over on Instagram.