Know-It-Alls: Survivor 47 Ep 5

[00:00:05] [SPEAKER_04]: The smartest guys around, are about to break it down, like they've won the game a million times.

[00:00:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Survivor Know-It-All

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Fresh off a trip to New York City, the Survivor Know-It-Alls are back here on Friday here as I've traveled back home and ready to talk about this with my number one bro Chacho. Here he is, Steven Fishbeck. Steven, how are you?

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Snob Cesternino back from the big city where he was hobnobbing with the glitterati. Finally making some time for the common people here on Know-It-Alls. Thank you, thank you. Did your monocle get stuck while you were in... That's how I imagine you at these events, in a tuxedo and a monocle. Is that right?

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. I'm Mr. Peanut, basically.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: That's Mr. Peanut to you.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It looked very fun. You know what? I need to take that back. You are like the Dusty Rhodes of podcasting. The hardest-looking man in podcasting. For anyone who doesn't remember, in the 90s wrestling, Dusty Rhodes, Mr. Americana.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the American dream.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Yes. All right. So, we had our final, maybe pre-merge episode of Survivor 47 this week. And as Steven alluded to, we did the live show in New York City. Steven, I was very happy with how our video came out from the event.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That's amazing.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: That was done.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it looked like a lot of fun. I did have, like, serious film. There was, like, a moment, a moment, when I was considering, like, should I just go? But then I realized I was going to be on vacation with my wife for the first time we've gotten away from both kids ever.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought maybe that would not be appreciated if I left our wonderful vacation in Tennessee to go to Survivor 47.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you would just pop in. You would just, like, crash the show, like, in the middle, like, and just, like, good God, that's Steven Fishback's music.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I have this vision of, like, you know, full disguise and just, like, heckling you from the crowd until it reaches a point of such miserable tension, you know?

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And then just leaving at that point, just being like.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It would be a great spectacle. And so, definitely do it in the future.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. So, we had a really nice turnout, a really great event in New York. Had a lot of fun. Our patron meetup on Tuesday night. And then I had the chance, I talked to Anika on the road. I was at my mom's house yesterday morning.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I heard it was a great interview. Very interesting.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thank you.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I just, I don't appreciate when people say that I'm hungover on the day after. Like, I don't drink enough to get hungover.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah. You didn't, I didn't get that. Were you, were you? Maybe it was, did you sound?

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I think people are projecting.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, maybe, like, they were hungover.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they were hungover.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: That you were hungover.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. But, yeah, I thought Anika was really great. She seemed like somebody who, you know, it's the problem with the show. They cast it too well. Like, in another world, I think she's, like, a really great player.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. I mean, she seemed to be in a good spot.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: In this world, she was a great player. Just a luckier player.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right. I mean, truly, like, and that really did seem like it could have gone.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, let's talk about how close that immunity challenge was. Like, truly, if Andy had sawed that rope a little faster, and as I did see someone on Twitter, like, comment how, like, sawing ropes was, like, such a, like, fundamental part of Anika's storyline, but very funny.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah, if Andy had just, like, used the correct side of the blade, like, realistic chance that Anika is still there.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. I mean, that's, that's Survivor, baby.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Survivor, baby. Like, it's truly, like, there's, I mean, when I think even in my own experience, there's so many things where, like, one, like, teeny,

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: tiny twist of fate ends up affecting the whole game.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: There's so much randomness that goes into it.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why nobody who won deserved it.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And I deserved it.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you could go through the history of the show and have, like, a hundred, like, bounces of the ball that could have gone different.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, literally.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Or you could just show up at an alumni event and, like, get any of these alums in, like, ten seconds of conversation and they'll tell you where the ball bounced for them.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You get Dr. Strange to host the next reunion.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And he'll talk about all the different multiverses where everybody else won.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, that was a cruel twist of fate for Annika.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But let me start with getting your perspective on the decision that had to be made about whether or not for Gata to move forward with Andy into the merge,

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: specifically for Sierra and Sam, or to have stuck with Rachel and Annika.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I just don't – I mean, it seemed like Sierra's rationale, at least sort of as kind of stated – I think it was at Tribal Council, but it might have been in a confessional –

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: that, like, Andy was more – would be more of, like, a target or, like – or would some take attention away.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: That, to me, does not seem like an accurate rationale, right?

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Andy is not someone – now Andy's going to the endgame because everybody knows he's the goofball.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Andy's going to be the last Gata standing if I had to put a chip on that.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like it's a little bit like – I feel like that's more of, like, an – if I was on the beach on day nine or day ten, I don't think necessarily I would be thinking that.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But in terms of, like, how much airtime Andy has gotten, I do feel like – and I'm not – I'm no – I'm not you when it comes to reading the edit.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I do feel like that Andy has a great case to be the last Gata standing.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean – I mean, but also even just from a purely – apart from even, like, the edit, like, just from a pure story or just from a pure, like, you know, us trying to interpret what happened back there perspective.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the fact that he has, you know, had that big blow-up moment.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that when he went on the journey, he talked so extensively about how he was on the bottom.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that he's part of this, you know, triple medallion alliance where – which seems like they might, you know, might have some legs to it.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I see Andy having a lot of longevity now that he has gotten to the – you know, and especially with Sierra, everyone repeatedly, you know, mentioning this Sierra-Sam connection.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: If I were Sierra, I would be looking for a way out of that, right?

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And that way out is with the breadwinners where you can ditch Sam and then have another path forward.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and so I'm honestly – what do you think?

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_01]: What was the consensus take at the live show?

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think that we necessarily discussed it at the length that I was planning on discussing it today.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I think that people were, you know, very excited about what Andy was able to do to reverse his position.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was very fun. I'm looking forward to talking about that. That was fun.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I do want to just say, like, to note that, you know, people have been – I've been seeing some hate sent Sierra's way about how she didn't end up sticking with the women

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and people, like, have been hard on her.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like – what are we even doing?

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So –

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I was looking at the Rome's tweets and he's getting, like, you know, flooded with hate.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like – what's the – it's – yeah, it's just outrageous.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, stop harassing people of any – you know, for any reason.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So that being said, I do feel like that for Sam and for Sierra that – and I understand the position of, okay, well, maybe, like, if you're not going to the merge, okay, that the women have a thing.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Sam is feeling like, okay, I could be next person out.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But I do feel like that heading into the merge and sort of, like, you know, in a world where we saw, like, what the Reba 4 was able to do,

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I do feel like a Gata 4 without Andy might be the strongest group.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And I know that, you know, Sam and Annika seem to have, like, been butting heads.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think that they had, like, irreconcilable differences like we've seen across some of the other tribes.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And that United Gata 4, like, might have been formidable coming into the merge.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I agree. Like, you know, blindsiding Rachel, like, moments before – I mean, we know this before a merge, but they have to suspect it's right before a merge.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And certainly, you know, they have to think this might be the last tribal council we see before a merge.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So blindsiding someone and leaving them on the outs of a vote and just, like, opening them up to, you know, looking for other options at a merge is not the smartest choice.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And I really – I think it was the wrong choice.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I – if it was me – and I get, like, you know, so much of it is politics that we don't see in, like, subtle interactions.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Get John Lovett back.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, truly.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I do think, like, I see the rationale if you're Sam of wanting to have two people who are really close to you rather than be on the outside of this three where maybe you're more disposable to them.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, and it seems like for him, like, to be the link – like, if I were Sam, that's what I would be pushing, honestly.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, because I would rather go in with, like, a tight three than – but I think for Sierra it's not as clear to me.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think it makes more sense for Sierra probably to try to stick with one.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, of course, like, Sierra also has to factor in her relationship with Sam.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And if Sam is pushing really hard for something, she can't piss him off.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll say in fairness to Sierra, like, I kind of feel like that from her perspective, I kind of see it a little bit more in that –

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: that she feels like, okay, that Sam is her number one.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And she probably feels like she is clearly number three out of the Annika and Rachel alliance.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think she feels like, okay, well, I'm going to – if this is what my number one wants to do, at least Andy is three, I'm better positioned here.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing is that if people are looking at them as a target, you know, does she become collateral damage at some point?

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: If somebody tries to break up Sam and Sierra.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, although I guess like, you know, maybe Sierra is thinking if they're going to try to break us up, they're going to go for him first.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So then she gets – you know, because he's –

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Potentially, but what if he's safe in the mergatory?

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's right.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so, I mean, maybe there is a rationale in doing – I mean, again, like losing the loyalty of Rachel I think is pretty dangerous.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But, I mean, you look at who made the finals of the Reba 4 and it was the two who, you know, had the most romantic tension.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So if I'm – you know, maybe there's some rationale there for Sam and Sierra.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'd love to sort of just like get your perspective moving forward of, okay, we're going to have the mergatory.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And now it's been a very interesting pre-merge.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we have all these different people that went to the Survivor Social Hour, which, by the way, did you like the Survivor Social Hour?

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It was cute.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was excited for a swap.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I thought a swap was – like I think everybody who saw the preview, you know, and saw that the challenge was going to have two courses,

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_01]: it was sort of more excited for how a swap would pan out.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the real problem.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if it had just happened and I'd be like, oh, that's cool.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, like a little mix it up.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: They teased us with something cooler.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Something that we wanted more.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It was something that happened on my screen.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't object to it.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think that had we come into this week and not had the preview of like teasing that there was going to be potentially a swap and then to have it be this,

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I think people would be very excited.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what's exciting about it?

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It was something different.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Sort of different, but it's like, yeah.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Like we're getting a bunch of people from the tribes.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_01]: They're having lunch.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And nothing really came out of it in this particular episode.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Other than, you know, maybe Sam getting more reinforced that there was the story of Sam and Sierra being out there and maybe Annika caught more of the blame about that because of that.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But it didn't really impact this week's episode too much per se.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But they're teasing a woman's alliance.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_01]: With like that conversation with like Teenie and Caroline and who else was there?

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Was Rachel part of that?

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Rachel.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So I do think it's interesting to think about like what is the like majority voting block that ends up forming when we get to the mergatory?

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That do you think that there is one specific tribe that is going to be able to pull people in?

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Do two tribes band together?

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Or do we see some other cross tribal group form?

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it crazy that I feel like Red has got like the real winter vibe tribe?

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, is that wrong?

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't think it's crazy, but I would disagree.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I feel like who's getting like the winter vibes?

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like who's, who's, who's, who's, you know, I think Teenie has got to be up there.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Teenie has got to be up there.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that Teenie ends up being one of the kingmakers that ends up like, so I, and I kind of feel like that I'm wondering if like maybe is it Teenie and Andy swing over to blue?

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, blue definitely seems like they are the cohesive unit and certainly like out of the gate.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought like, okay, like this is the complex tribe.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, but I also see a world where Gabe is the merge slash mergatory boot, you know, where he's got that sort of like big player, you know, maybe Sam too.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Who do you think is the merge slash mergatory boot?

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm wondering if it could be Tiana.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's interesting.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Tiana actually would make a lot of sense.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a pretty good read.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do that kind of think blue goes deep.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm Sue is, Sue is in the finals.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I, Sue reads to me as like losing finalists, like all over.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That's an edit read.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: An edit read.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Like a ton of content, like a lot presented from her perspective, like a disproportionate amount in the pre-merge in the same way that Ben had a lot about him and his like life story in the pre-merge.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: My guess is that coming from.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Ben Katzman.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, my bet is that he, that she like, her story kind of like takes a little bit more of a backseat in the merge, which is basically what happened to Ben.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And that she is a losing finalist.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that would be interesting.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But as far as like for how many people, you know, if Tiana ends up going, I mean, there's only four.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, would Andy and Tini just completely flat out leave their tribe mates to go?

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And I see Tini more so than Andy.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Andy does have these pretty good connections here with Sam and Sierra now who vouched for him.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it would seem, I mean, at least we have to watch how it plays out.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, who is Andy feeling best about to potentially, you know, flip away from his tribe?

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But they've also got that amulet thing.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I agree.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I think my guess is, you know, I agree with you, but I also think Andy is a self-interested enough player where he could be, you could see him as a free agent.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, he has really read to me as someone who is putting in the work, right?

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's like working to build an alliance in a somewhat, you know, in a tactical way.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not like he's like BFFs with Sierra.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when he talks about those bonds, it's I need to build this bond with Sierra in order to, you know, solidify my free with Sam and Sierra.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's not like I'm, you know, suddenly best.

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there was that I love you moment, but still, I felt that felt tactical.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, then talk to me about, you know, the good vibes that you were having with the red tribe,

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_02]: because I feel like that we reached a point where there was a lot of sort of everybody, you know, pointing at each other in terms of what they were going to do next and who said what.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's this sort of like a story, you know, in the edit legend, a story in the edit community of, you know,

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: the complex tribe is the one that typically produces the winner where like you see the most of that tribe's dynamics and they're often the ones where.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if that's true anymore or, you know, but I mean,

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like thinking like who is actually, you know, who has like the story.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think like teeny, you know, probably is, is, is one of the people who you would say could be that person, you know, or Gabe or, or, I mean, honestly, even Sam or, I mean.

[00:17:47] Yeah.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Who do you think?

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's got, who's got winter vibes?

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: The, yeah, I don't know.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: We just see so much of the, of the different, and maybe red falls apart and maybe that's the story, right?

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they all hate each other.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: They're all, they're all targeting each other.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So like maybe that's what the story is actually leading to.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So let's start with Genevieve because, you know, Genevieve had that great episode last week and we saw that, you know, she is, you know, navigating very well among this group.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what do you think that Genevieve is trying to do when she reaches the merge?

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think Genevieve probably is, I mean, there's a Genevieve teeny thing happening, right?

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe it's Genevieve teeny and Saul, you know, kind of like united against the chaos of Rome.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Genevieve's story until now has largely been about like, I'm connected to Rome, but do I turn on him?

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what's my relationship here?

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, at what point does the chaos become too much for me to manage?

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So at some point that has to, you know, come to fruition either in Genevieve voting Rome out or in Rome voting Genevieve out or, you know, Genevieve getting dragged down by, by, by association with Rome.

[00:18:55] Yeah.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I feel like, what if it's neither?

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't think, Rome to me, he strikes me as that he has been very loyal to the people that he has been loyal to.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So unless he gets presented with evidence beyond the shadow of a doubt that Genevieve is somehow plotting against him.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And I still think that she could spin her way out of that.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_02]: For Genevieve to turn on Rome, I also don't see that at this particular, like if it was going to happen, I think it would happen this week when they're at the tribal council.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Why would she get rid of one of her numbers at this point now?

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I really think that, you know, the biggest threat to Red is not Rome, is actually Teeny.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I see Teeny turning on this group much more so than I'd be worried about.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Where is Rome going?

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look, and I think Saul is happily rid of this group too, right?

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Saul will desperately look for a home.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And I can imagine that Teeny and Saul both kind of like, you're right.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: The Red loyalty is probably not a...

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Saul might be the most interesting person from a loyalty perspective.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And we've seen that he does not seem like the type of player who might be jumping ship.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And I do think that this is where, you know, I was asked on one of the other podcasts, like, would I go on a journey?

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I used to say, no, it's no good.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, you have these points.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're somebody like Saul, who's never been on a journey, has never gotten to go on, you know, the survivor social hour, you're a little bit boxed in by not being someone of these players that has made any connections across tribal.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But in some ways that can be, I mean, yes and no, right?

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Because also in some ways that can benefit you if you're not seen as having any outside, you know.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But you're probably right that at the merge now, it's like people who have some kind of bond or some kind of connection to someone with bonds.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Saul's also hard because he doesn't have that person.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Like that person for him was Asia.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So he kind of like lost that other bond that he had.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't seem like he has like the hustle necessarily that Teenie does.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Teenie seems like someone who's going to go out and make things happen strategically.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And people are drawn to Teenie.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: People want to work.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_02]: People see Teenie and they want they open up.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: They want to work with Teenie.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm drawn to Saul.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: FYI.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I know you are.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I know you are.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_02]: What else would you be if I met Saul?

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't seem right.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you meet Saul over at the event?

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I may have run into Saul's cousin.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you wear Saul's cousin's quads as massive as Saul's quads?

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what?

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Saul's cousin was wearing pants.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I didn't get a good light.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't like I'm typically not spotting anybody's quads, calves.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to tell, you know, especially in a crowded room.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm an eyes up here kind of guy.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: That's nice.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Look people in the eyes.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's that's that's thoughtful.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That's respectful.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think also for Saul, I think it hurts him that also like even if like if his number

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: one is Genevieve, if the person he has the best relationship with is Genevieve.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Genevieve hasn't been on any journeys or to the survivor social hour.

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's just a little isolated in terms of like where he could go.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe he like really was a is able to hit it off, you know, and if he's in the right

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: group at Mergatory.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that he's also in a tough spot of like he's been like and I think he should

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_02]: feel like he's not at the bottom bottom.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he's not in a position where, OK, flashing red lights, jump ship Saul.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I think that there is like a story that he could tell himself of like, OK, that the

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_02]: right move is sticking with the numbers.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like that they merged immediately after they blindsided Asia.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think he's going to be in a tough spot for figuring out how to navigate this.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Do I stick with red and it might be like sticking with them a little too long and they might end

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_02]: up getting a hole in the boat?

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and there's also just, you know, because he is so like ripped, I do think there's a

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_01]: world where Saul is an easy target because he doesn't really have anybody defending him.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: There's nobody who's really like going to bat or like when they overhear Saul's name

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: into conversation, steering it away from from that, you know, and because he doesn't have

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: that that that port, you know, that, you know, he's he's quite susceptible to storms.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_01]: What what I mean, it was interesting that Genevieve like was like, I don't want to work with Saul

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: long term.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_01]: What was that about?

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Why do you think that?

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she had said she had said that, but she didn't want Saul to know that.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But why doesn't she want to?

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe she's not feeling like Saul is buying everything that she's selling in the way that

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Rome was all coming back last week.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, I've got this new relationship with Genevieve.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like into that.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's my new alliance.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, when Genevieve suggests it gets him in Rome to work together, it seemed

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: like, you know, birth of something new.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And now this week we're like, Genevieve doesn't even want to work with Saul.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she said, I don't want to work with him, but I think she's open to it.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But even she had like her confessional was like, we all know I don't want to work with Saul.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I think she said, we all know I said it.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that she's like, you know, Spradlin-esque in a couple different ways.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she wants to keep some options open.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_01]: She sort of looks like Kim a little bit.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_02]: That's one of the things.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But for Saul, I really liked the way he handled the situation with, you know, Rome came to

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: him and told him about how, you know, Genevieve said she didn't want to work with you.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And that he said like, hey, well, like what gives?

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought we had a good thing going.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And like, I thought that he said it like in a very like disarming way where I thought he

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: gained something out of that.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He definitely gained trust in his honesty.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was interesting that that whole scene was such an interesting scene of telephone

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: because I thought Rome at first was doing a very good job with telling, you know, telling

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_01]: all about Teenie's medallion and how like this has to be the new thing and we can't trust

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Teenie.

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was very smart of Rome.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, and you know, his point about information is the only currency out here, you know, was

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_01]: really good.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, he's like concrete intel about this thing that Teenie didn't tell you.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he just went a little too far when he said the thing about, oh, and Genevieve

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_01]: doesn't want to work with you because suddenly that is, first of all, nebulous.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Because then Genevieve can say, what is Rome talking about?

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And then second of all, you know, kind of like prompts Saul to go fact check that with

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Genevieve.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought, I mean, Rome is such an interesting player because he does a lot of things that

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I think are really good and a lot of things that I think are really not good.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And that conversation was like a microcosm of that, where he, the impulse was really good,

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought, to like bring Saul in by, you know, revealing how Teenie had left him out of the

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_01]: intel loop.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And then that piece of info almost got lost in the question of, you know, Genevieve and

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_01]: whether she likes Saul or not.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, when you say that Rome is doing a lot of things that are good and then a lot of things

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_02]: that are not as good, I mean, I feel like that that is a little bit of like the recipe

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_02]: for like a Cagillon Tony.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And so, I mean, if Genevieve is a effective enough of a cleaner to be able to like follow

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: after Rome and clean up like Trish was able to do for Tony, like that could work very well

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_02]: for Rome.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I used to say about Tony, like Tony would spend like, you know, half his, like his entire

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: day making a bunch of mistakes and then figure out at nighttime, like how to fix all the mistakes

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_02]: that he made during the day and then go out and then make a whole bunch of new mistakes

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: the next day.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And then just like he, you know, was doing all of the things and it ultimately ended up being

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_02]: an effective strategy for him.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't know if, you know, Rome can be so lucky.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And if Genevieve ends up being more self-interested than Trish was that it's not going to work.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And Tony, a very contentious player in the early weeks of Cagillon.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember at the time people did not like Tony at all.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so there was a lot of, a lot of hate directed at Tony.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to know a little bit more about what that was like in that time, 10

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_02]: years ago, Stephen, we have a brand new, a first in RHAP documentary we made called I

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Stan Cagillon.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Stephen Fishback even contributed interviews to I Stan Cagillon.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And we're very excited to announce that this coming October 28th, we'll have the world premiere

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_02]: screening of I Stan Cagillon about 10 years on Survivor, the magic of Survivor Cagillon,

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_02]: its impact and much more.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_02]: That's going to be good.

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Robbinswebs.com slash Cagillon screening.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to join us in Philadelphia for everybody else, we'll have the world premiere

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: on YouTube on the 29th.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you going to be there in Philadelphia?

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I will.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm flying up to Philadelphia.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Snob says Benito, hobnobbing with the glitterati.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be there October 28th in person.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Come on out and say, hi, we're going to have a screw.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_02]: We rented a, like a, like a movie theater.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have a screening.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to do some Q and A.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be a lot of fun.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's a really, even honestly, I had so much fun even participating.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, uh, I know you haven't seen it.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait till you see how it turned out.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you bury me?

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you make me look stupid?

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what this is?

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Like only in one part.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Really?

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, really?

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Not that much.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Really?

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You're fine.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: You're fine.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't about me.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't even on that season.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You're fine.

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So, Stephen, uh, let's talk about the negotiation for the chickens.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yes.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Which was a very, uh, successful negotiation.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, 18, you know, Jeff used to be like, my life is fine.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need your rights.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about that.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Josh and I, and it's also the 10 year anniversary of Survivor San Juan del Sur.

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And we talked about, uh, the negotiations that came up in that season where, uh, Jeff was like very much like, hey, you're coming into my reward challenge.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You're trying to negotiate with me.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_02]: My life, my life is fine.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, uh, what do you, I don't need these chickens.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Go home.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Take them home.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe his life's not fine anymore.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Should we worry?

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's just, uh, was so eager to like, uh, help give them a lifeline.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And he also, you know, he knows it's fun.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It's fun.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's fun TV.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and that was very fun with like, it was a very fun moment and he gave them a lot.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_01]: 18 eggs is a lot of eggs.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That is like more than you're going to get from those three chickens.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely more eggs than you're going to get from the chickens.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm trying to remember, I meant to go back and watch this before we did the podcast.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Does Rachel like, like I'm seeing in my mind, Rachel is like, is carrying the eggs out of the, the challenge.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that right?

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Does Jeff have just have like a stockpile of eggs at every challenge?

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Just in case somebody, somebody wants to barter for eggs.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_01]: They must've had a heads up.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if they tipped him off.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so you can't like keep eggs outside for days on.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So Marianne and Shannon, and that this is a great segue to be able to talk about that.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_02]: They had a great conversation about this.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Marianne is super knowledgeable about both killing chickens and then also how to store eggs.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And so that if the, this is, I guess more of a U S uh, situation of that our eggs are a

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: certain way they need to be refrigerated, but around the world, you can keep the eggs at

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_02]: room temperature and they're fine.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, great.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's not, I mean, is that room temperature like in the jungle?

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's like a not.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's, it's probably not ideal.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_02]: The chat is saying that they gave that, they had the eggs back at the camp.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_01]: They definitely had eggs back at the camp, but, um, okay.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, um, what, so, so ultimately how do we leave the, the red tribe was, Oh, are we back

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_01]: on the way?

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_01]: We're done with that.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_01]: We're on the chickens.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: We've moved on.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm moving on to the chickens.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Unless there's anything else you say, I have to say.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a fun moment.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And then, do you think we will, we will ever see the chickens?

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I know that the got to tribe did not kill the chickens.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Did they kill the chicken reward?

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the first time we saw it in the new era was when the got to tribe wins these three chickens.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, it's interesting that this happened.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_02]: The, the season was filmed.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_02]: The SIA award ends.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That do you think, is there any connection between these two things?

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Without SIA's protection?

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: They're, they're, they're, uh, trying to say they're, they're okay sacrificing the chickens.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what, that what they were saying?

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It just seems like, uh, I know SIA did not like having the chickens onto the show, but it

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_02]: seems like now the players don't even want to kill the chickens.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's, it is always an interesting moral choice, right?

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And it does seem like maybe that will, although now that they didn't know that the SIA reward

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_01]: was no more.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe now that they're aware of that they're going to, you know, they'll be, they'll be more

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_01]: likely to kill the chickens.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I mean, I don't know if anybody was motivated by, um, I don't want to kill the chickens

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_02]: because of SIA, but maybe it's the, there is like, I do think that the players could

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_02]: be a little conscious of, oh, I don't want to be seen as the person who's killing the

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_02]: chickens.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And like, unless you have like a JT or a James on your tribe, somebody who's like, Hey,

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_02]: give me that chicken.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me, let me swing it around by its neck.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll show you how to do it.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, like I could see like, uh, you know, like I probably would not want to be the guy to

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_02]: kill the chicken.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I would eat the chicken.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_01]: To what?

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I hear you.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm agreeing.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, with which part are you agreeing?

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_01]: That you probably would not want to be the guy to kill the chicken and that you would

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: eat the chicken.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You're a parasite.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Just like on this podcast.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's a little uncalled for.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but we'll see.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I, do you think that they will do the chicken reward again after this?

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I bet they will.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a good question.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a really interesting observation, um, that you, that maybe they will see this

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_01]: as sort of like, okay, we don't necessarily need to go down that.

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised they brought it back at all.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Truly.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I do feel like once you've removed it, bringing it back is like more of a strange

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_01]: moral statement.

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: We talked a little bit about, about this last week, like more of a strange moral statement

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_01]: than having it gone forever.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But, um, I, I could see them removing it and I could also see them being like, okay, that

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: was, that was good TV.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like an interesting discussion.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's always interesting conflict for the survivors.

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Like from the first time they ever got the chickens, uh, all the way through, it's a

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_02]: constant for the show.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So I, I, I hope that they keep bringing out the chickens.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I do too.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't know.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I actually feel like I'm, I would be fine.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't need it.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't need like the, like, let those chickens have a, give those chickens a

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_01]: break.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I'm not sure necessarily Steven, that these chickens are going to go off and have a happy,

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_02]: like, uh, life.

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_01]: What's happening with these three chickens?

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Are these, are they like just going back to like a base camp?

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, are they going to like, I think that they're going to have the same fate.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like people get upset about like killing the chickens on survivor.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, okay.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, okay.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_02]: The chickens may have not gotten killed on the show, but I'm not sure necessarily, uh,

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_02]: like, uh, that they're, they've had a happy ending after all.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It needs to be like a coda.

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Like at the end of the movies, you know, they're like in this, and then, and the chickens were

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_01]: happy.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And you see them like running free.

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it fades to like black and white and then kind of, you know, into the, into

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_01]: a hazy mist.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And as a Marianne and Shannon pointed out, like that they have these eggs, they're not

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_02]: able to cook them.

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And guess what?

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_02]: The eggs are all coming to Mergatory next week.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_02]: They'll end up getting it like everybody.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_01]: That was your, you were saying that from the get go, eat it now, eat the chickens.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Now this is the maximum benefit.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_02]: If you have food on survivor, eat it.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what you guys do with the Coke?

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Were you just like binging Cokes?

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_02]: No, Roger, uh, RIP, uh, was like, no, we're going to do one, one Coke a day.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_01]: That was the greatest reward ever.

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_01]: That was like, that's, that made me want to go on survivor.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that I could have a Coke fridge in the jungle is pretty good.

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_02]: He's pretty good, but he wouldn't even let us put our water in the refrigerator.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Why?

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so strange.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was at the bottom of the tribe.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't ask a lot of questions.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the same, the same rules of my house now.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm on the bottom.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm not allowed to ask that many questions.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Can you refrigerate water at your house now?

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I, I might get a question like, why is this in the refrigerator?

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to, I was going to use it.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, uh, yeah, the cycle continues, you know, it's like first Roger, you know, then you like

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_01]: seek out that relationship.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that what happened?

[00:36:21] Yeah.

[00:36:22] Yeah.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Tell me about, uh, Tiana and, uh, what'd you think about, uh, what, what she tried to do

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: this week?

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_01]: That was interesting because it just showed a lack of awareness of Sue, right?

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Like throwing Gabe so violently under the bus as she did, you know, I think doing that

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: without kind of like getting the blessing of the other people on her tribe was a little

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_01]: bit aggressive.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's like a tacit rule when you go to these kind of cross tribal things that

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_01]: like, Hey, we're, we're all in this together.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're kind of like just giving out a little Intel.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, when I, at my survivor merge in token chains, again, it's about me.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, when Sierra was like blabbing about, you know, what was going on at the Timbir camp

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and then asking us to like reveal our secrets.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I was like, this is, this is too much.

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: This is too much intimacy.

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I need to, you know, I need to keep my boundaries, you know?

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but, but I, I do think that would be worrisome to me, even as a person on a different tribe

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_01]: that she's throwing someone from her own group under the bus so aggressively in such a public

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: place.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Like to me, that doesn't scream great ally moving forward.

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I just think that in these other seasons, we've seen like this sort of a setup happen, like

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_02]: at Mergatory, like with Gabler and for her, it's like, Oh, okay.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_02]: This is when you're supposed to like talk about like who from your tribe would you get rid

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_02]: of?

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, not yet.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's no, like at the Mergatory, there's like, you know, you actually can make it happen,

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_01]: but here it's here.

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_01]: She's throwing out a name and then it's going to get back to, it does get back.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And, and there's no, you know, critical momentum.

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, and she was surrounded by people from her own group who, you know, didn't have

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: the same opinion that she did.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And the problem for Tiana is that she thinks that she was in like this women's alliance

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_02]: that voted out TK and that Gabe just happened to jump on.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe she feels like, okay, I'm actually, I'm saving Kyle here by like, uh, throwing

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Gabe more under the bus.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, then it ends up coming out as something that is going to be reported back to Gabe.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And now Gabe has a vendetta against Tiana.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm wondering if she could be the sacrificial chicken, uh, coming into the merge.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's not a bad, I think that's a good read that she could be the Mergatory boot

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_01]: because you know, the, the, the blue is not gonna, not gonna muster for her.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And so she loses like, you know, you've got to have your people behind the scenes kind

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_01]: of saying like, don't, don't go for her.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, and you, and you look at who's, who's viable.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Tiana is one of them.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you could see Rachel being one of them just to like, you know, that's, that's

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: saga.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and obviously almost anybody on red, you know, certainly Rome, you could see Saul to

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_01]: a lesser degree, um, being, being in that, in that spot.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to know from you, what is the right way to play this Mergatory situation when

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_02]: we come in?

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, do you want to come in with a name from your own group?

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That's like, Hey, this is the person we're cool to lose.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: We're willing to lose this person from our side.

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Or do you think it's better to really stick to your guns and say like, okay, well, like

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_02]: we're all tight.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: We want to lose somebody from your group.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've seen that really backfire, right?

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the, first of all, Gabler's game winning move was, was the Ellie thing, right?

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like that kind of like gave him the, the notch on his, on his belt that he needed

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_01]: to, to justify all the rest of his gameplay.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the, the, uh, and we've seen the opposite thing blow up for people when they, when they're

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_01]: too defensive, right?

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Last, last season we saw that when, when, um, you know, uh, when Q got so concerned about

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_01]: the, uh, what was that?

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I forget what, what color it was, but it was.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It was the green, it was the green tribe that, uh, that Tim didn't want to throw out

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Mariah's name.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And then that kind of like blew up for them because suddenly they were, they were not seen

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_01]: as like willing to do, to do business.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I do think you probably need to, but it's so circumstantial, right?

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, so, so much depends on how everybody else is acting.

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_01]: You kind of feel like, thank you.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, 26 days in the chat.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the interesting thing with Gabler was that it was not like Gabler was not the

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_02]: person like running the tribe.

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and he was willing to say like, Hey, I am willing to write down this person's name

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_02]: from my tribe.

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't even necessarily like a situation where the people at the top are willing to

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_02]: throw out the name of the person that's on the bottom.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that that's, what's interesting about what Gabler did of like, Hey, here's like

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_02]: a powerful player in our tribe.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm willing to go with you and, you know, and give you the Intel on that person.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if it's more of like, um, if you are at the bottom, does it behoove you more

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_02]: to throw out the person?

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Like had Tiana done what she did at actual mergatory next week?

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, uh, would it be a great move?

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, for her to have done that, that could have motivated.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the other thing too, is like, you're safe in that situation.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You are immune from that vote.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So you, you can sort of ride the blowback a little bit, you know, if you make a play,

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_01]: but you're not at risk, you know, there's going to be somebody else viable next week.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas this, in this, in this situation, you know, there she goes back and it just like

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_01]: creates hostility.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Like even with the re before, like, I think that they were willing to throw out J Maya's

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_02]: name.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think then, um, it was like, okay, that was a person they were willing to get

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_02]: rid of.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Caleb became like the juicier target.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And that ended up like, and it was almost like that maybe, oh, J Maya is not as exciting

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_02]: of a target because they're willing to get rid of her.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was only someone's name who they're not going to go for.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of feel like that maybe that was the case with Venus also, where maybe Venus's

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_02]: name was being floated around by her tribe, but because they were sort of like, okay,

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_02]: this is, we're willing to lose that person.

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, no, but Siga's not willing to lose Mariah.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're more, we're more inclined to want to take away the piece they are not willing

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_02]: to lose.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Totally.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a great, that's a really great call.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So throw out, you know, someone who's not that interesting as like, yeah, we're all go for

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, well, we don't want that person.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you know, free stuff on Facebook.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, eh.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Who should they have said?

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Who should, like, what's the ideal?

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's that person from each of the tribe?

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Ah, well, hmm, maybe Kyle?

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Could he be that person for a brother?

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Gabe wants to keep Kyle.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like maybe like Sue, only because of the perception, right?

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_01]: That there is sometimes around older women that they're not.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, so you're saying that there's going to throw out a name with the intention

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_02]: of keeping them, of trying to like basically float.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You're like giving your kind of like, oh, yeah, we'd happily lose, you know, this person.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And then that the person's just not appealing.

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not an appealing target.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But it has to be a person then.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Sue might be good to actually try this with because then Sue is not actually flipping.

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You do this against Teenie and then it's like, hey, Teenie, just so you know, everybody

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_02]: said they'd be willing to cut you.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And it could be a good one for yellow, you know?

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It'll definitely backfire on yellow, but they should do that.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about Andy because it was so fun seeing his play this week where he, you know,

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_01]: knew that he was the, you know, he felt safe, but he also wanted to make sure that Rachel

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and Annika were not aware that he felt safe and he had this other thing going on.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So instead of like playing dead, which is what a lot of people do in this situation,

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: right?

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: They'll be like, they'll mope around, like instead he like scrambles, but in a way that's

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_01]: like not chaotic, just like, hey, involving your plans, like, please.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, when they do involve him in like a fake plan, he like plays along with

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_01]: it like beautifully, you know, such a great way.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, I'm sure we've seen it before, but I don't know if we've seen it before exactly

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_01]: like this where you see someone in, again, like when you see people who know that they

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_01]: are the decoy target, you see them like playing dead a lot, but like, you know, or, but like,

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if we've seen them like fake scramble.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm trying to think of like other, other times when this has happened.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the danger of the fake scramble obviously is that your allies think it's a real scramble,

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: right?

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that like Sam and Sierra are like, oh my gosh, look at Andy.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure he was looping in Sam and Sierra on everything that he was doing.

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that the fact that they, that Sam was the name he was given, I think only

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_02]: helped solidify his position.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that the shot in the dark ends up being the thing that allows him to do this.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Not necessarily if there was no shot in the dark.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think that that potentially this might've still happened the exact same way, but Andy

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_02]: was able to be really smart and intentional about the, the, the existence of the shot in

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_02]: the dark of like, they have to give me a fake name.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_02]: They can't just tell me it's me because they don't want me to play their shot in the

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_02]: dark to me.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And you look, Jay Maya might feel differently.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm so not afraid of the shot in the dark.

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_02]: If it happens, if it happens, it happens.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So be it.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You want to play the shot in the dark?

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Go crazy.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_01]: If you are out there though.

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And like, this is your, you know, you're suffering.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_01]: This is your one shot to play survivor.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Or in this case, your third shot to play survivor.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you are not going to, I would be like, why not make the fake plan?

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Why not protect against the shot in the dark?

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no reason not to do that.

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you have every reason to protect.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And like, I think the reason why I'm not getting making the fake plan with him is because

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen this guy have the, a little bit unstable.

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, boy, you know, who's really not going to like this.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_02]: If say, if he goes and tell Sam that we're saying his name, like, I think that there is

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_02]: more of a one in six chance that he's going to go do that than to actually play the shot

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_02]: in the dark.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was Drew's perspective too.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he was like very anti fake plan.

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_01]: He just wanted like the, the neat, the neat vote because he thought that the variance

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_01]: of the fake plan was, you know, more risky than that.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That's how they get you with the shot in the dark.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, right.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, then, then the actual, then just like sticking with, with the real

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_01]: plan and counting on the odds working out.

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it was me, I would not, it's a tough one because it's so again, it's like

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_01]: so situational.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, do I think that me creating this fake plan is going to have people are disruptive

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and have more real blowback?

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Or do I think that like, I want to protect, I mean, it's a, it's a moment by moment calculation

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_01]: while you're out there.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_02]: The fact of the matter is everything is risky.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I wish that there was only a one in six chance of a bad thing happening to me in any given

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_02]: situation.

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So the chances that this is going to end up backfiring, I think are more than one in six.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So I had rather say like, Hey, like a good luck tonight, play the shot in the dark.

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he's probably like, Oh wait, hold on.

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_02]: They're telling me to play the shot in the dark.

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_02]: They must, they must now want me to play the shot in the dark.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So now you, you've reduced the odds of even hitting that.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_02]: He may not even play it.

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, right.

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_01]: They want, that's, that's very smart.

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That's very clever.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so what do we think is, have we seen people scramble like Andy before?

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Like what, what do we think?

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Was it, was this like good, good gameplay?

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Like where's the, uh, you know, the takeaway.

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen this before?

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: As far as what Andy was able to do?

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that there's a situation that really, uh, comes to mind.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure if we go through the annals of the survivor history books, I'm sure we could find

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_02]: something, but I thought that Andy did very well.

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_02]: His confessionals were great.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a very fun sequence.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_02]: My question for you, Steven is, did this earn Andy a fishy?

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And I've really been wrestling with this decision, Rob, because, you know, I really don't want

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_01]: to have two fishies.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I've heard that's like unforgivable.

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, the, you get bullied on social media for giving two fishies.

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_01]: No, just by you.

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, some people like talk to me in private at, in New York, like what is Steven doing?

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Two fishies.

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_01]: People were talking to me in private.

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_01]: They were breaking into my home and being like, Rob was wrong.

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_02]: They say, they say devalue the fishy further.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're like, you know, Rome deserved it.

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank gosh.

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Someone is praising the good parts.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But only the collective, I don't have an issue.

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to give one, your one fishy to Rome, but obviously Genevieve deserved a fish.

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'll even say if you want to give Roman honorary fishy.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And honor, I didn't even know there was a whole, there was a whole new category.

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_01]: You're just like, you know, expanding the whole, you know, the genre in order to cover your cowardice.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's my cowardice of, you know, two fishies at once.

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the, um, fishy stock has tanked.

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's ThunderCat78.

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's inflation.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's inflation.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the, the, um, okay.

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So let's, so the, the possibilities right here are, I do think there's a world where it's Andy.

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I think like it probably should be Sam or Sierra more because they really were the ones driving that vote.

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Sam more?

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, do you think if, if, who was, I kind of think Sam, Sam's decision was better.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I think slightly than Sierra's decision in that spot, because I think like for Sam to preserve his two best allies and bring them closer to himself.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Sam got his way.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It does kind of make Rachel an outsider, but I think there's a world where they can bring her back.

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I, I don't think it's that bad of Sam, right?

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I do think it's like that the sense of fracturing the tribe is dangerous.

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Andy is going to be an early boot, um, at the merge.

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think, I think Andy is fine.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm more, you could have targeted Annika, right?

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You could have been like, oh, she's, she's a ringleader.

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_01]: She's a puzzle master.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she's, she's a strategist.

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think Annika would have been a better target to keep her.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Sam gets the fishy.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel about that?

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I would give it to Andy and I think it would be a, like almost like a bit of a lifetime achievement award of life.

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Andy got a fishy already.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Which week did he get the fishy?

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Um.

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_01]: The first week?

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_01]: The week one?

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_01]: The second week.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so, so it's like, I've given the fishies to like Andy and, and, and Rome.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Asia got the first fishy, you know?

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just, it's like, yeah, we got to give, we got to like, I think.

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Really?

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It was teeny?

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I thought.

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely someone on that tribe.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So.

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But I, I'm going to say that for Sam, I like, he, he got his way and it, it worked out.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And so, uh, he, he ends up, you know, winning out the war against Annika.

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think it, um, that there was tension, but I don't think that Annika was targeting for, uh, targeting Sam.

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe in the final four, Sam was sort of like, uh, on the outs, but also, you know, that maybe he's going to be able to make fire.

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_02]: If that's the case, if God gets to the final four, I just think that the, the chances of Andy flipping on that group are higher than Annika flipping on that group.

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But if you are Sam and you feel like you have this, like, I would want my, my, look, and that's, I would want, and that's how I did play it.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I would want the people who were most loyal to me to be going in the, the, the women on the yellow tribe had an alliance that had a name that did not, the same didn't, wasn't even.

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_01]: That's fair.

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_01]: That would spook me.

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think I'm going to give it to Sam.

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I think this was the right play for Sam.

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I did like Andy's strategy, but like, it might be just a little much to give Andy two fishies before, like, you know, the, the people who are actually making the decisions on that.

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's a little bit more unpredictable than Annika ultimately ends up being.

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and look then maybe if you're Sam, there's also like a potentially valid concern of, Hey, like there's a women's alliance on my tribe.

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if Rachel, if he's necessarily, uh, watching, uh, Rachel while he's playing cornhole, Rachel or, or overhearing anything.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Rachel is talking to Caroline and talking with teeny and wondering, is there maybe like a women's alliance, like at large on the horizon.

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_02]: That could be a potential thought for Sam as well.

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't even want to say it is like, uh, absolutely like a non-starter because I think that there is a scenario in this season that ends up being like the women end up coming into power and have a very strong women's alliance in this season.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that that could certainly be on Sam's mind.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I just wonder about, uh, Andy doing his own thing.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And then also, um, was it a good move for Sam to not play his one use idol on Andy?

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so that, I think that's an interesting one where I do think that that is probably a good move.

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that that, and, and that, you know, 26 days survivor, uh, or 26 days, you know, uh, mentioned also Sam's choice to not play the idol.

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think that's smart because if he plays the idol on Andy, after all of the angst Andy had about it, I think that would be alienated.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, like playing it on him obviously is a show of, of support, but it's still like a secret.

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, it creates too much, um, it like muddies the waters too much, you know, of, of that, of that relationship where, where, you know, I think he wants to keep the sense of trust in bond.

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And now he's got something he can bluff with later in the game, you know, that, that is, so I thought that was, yeah, I think if I had to give it to anyone on that, I think, I think, I think it, I think it should be safe.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good with Sam.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Sam.

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Sam, it is.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_02]: How about, um, Phil says, do you think that they're slowly building up Caroline for a sneaky win?

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_02]: She keeps getting more and more screen time.

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, uh, think that I would be surprised.

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Caroline is kind of turning into a player, but you know, I do think after the, the Gabler situation, they have tried to sort of give us a little more of the winners early on.

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And again, like I have been very wrong in the new era about winners edits, but it did seem that after Gabler, they really wanted to establish and how surprised people were.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And Caroline, I think is one of the players who we've seen the least of on that in the whole, in the whole game.

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And when we saw that Alliance building between, you know, Gabe and Sue and Caroline, it was almost all from Sue and Gabe's perspective.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So I would be surprised if Caroline won.

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I do see her, you know, being a very smart, savvy player who has a meaningful impact.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And as we saw with Genevieve a couple of weeks ago, that these edits can change drastically of, okay, it was like only two episodes or three episodes that, uh, you know, we didn't see a lot from Genevieve and then we saw a lot from Genevieve.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, uh, sometimes people, they really break out in the post merge or as their story starts to build.

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So, um, you know, let's like, uh, like get a little bit further.

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Liz is somebody that we probably would have said five episodes in last season, like, and not that she won, but like, oh, is Liz, who is Liz?

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Is she even on the show?

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she was very little on the show until, until the mid merge, you know?

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And, and she was really like, until the early, I guess like, like a couple episodes into the merge, she kind of like spiked when there was that whole thing with Tevin.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And, um, yeah, I mean, and yeah, and she didn't win.

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's, that's exactly it.

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, people get a concentrated story arc.

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_01]: That's like closer to like a, when they're most, uh, you know, affecting the story, but also closer to their boot so that we know who they are like before they go.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Then Lavender says, uh, do you think that Andy got a lot of credit for what, uh, typical, uh, decoy votes already do?

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Are we giving too much credit to Andy?

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Where he's like, yeah, I mean, that's possible.

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause we saw like a whole montage of him, you know, doing this thing and then it kind of working out.

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, do decoy boots.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Like what was interesting is like, I do think like the desperation, he kind of, the fake desperation he managed to show where it was, you know, I do think decoy boots will continue to strategize, but like the way he, um, was able to act as though he was desperate for their, you know.

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, engagement without like, without it being like too much, you know, I thought it was, he struck, he struck a good balance.

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was really well done.

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that the best thing that he ended up doing was his confessionals.

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he like perfectly narrated what he's like, here's what I'm going to do.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And Jeff talked about this a lot on the on fire podcast, uh, this week of like being able to sort of like, here's what the plan is.

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Then you saw him talk to Anika and Rachel, and then you saw them like high five each other after he left.

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's telling us he's what he's going to do, how it's going to go.

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It goes perfectly.

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So it makes it really feel like that this is even like more impressive than what it actually might've been.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And there was some of that with Gabe too, right?

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Where he's talking about his conversation with Tiana.

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_01]: That was very funny.

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was less him narrating.

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the part of that was him narrating it, but like it was him kind of describing, oh yeah.

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was saying this and that and this, and then they cut back to him saying the exact things.

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But that was very fun too.

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_02]: How about, um, question from LL cool dubs is coming in with an assuming nickname like teeny, a good strategy.

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Compare that against somebody named Rome.

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if it matters more than we think when sizing up, uh, players.

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess Rome is a name that, uh, sound, I mean, his name is, uh, Jerome.

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So is that a, is that a nickname?

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that a short name?

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_02]: What is teeny's name?

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'm not sure, uh, teeny's full, uh, name.

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's a nickname for survivor.

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, it's funny.

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I went on token change, you know, prior to survivor, everybody called me fish.

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I didn't want to be called fish on survivor.

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Cause they were, you would have thought there was some expectation to go fishing.

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be able to fish.

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And then also a fish in poker is like the weak player.

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't want like suddenly like my nickname to be like, Oh, in jail.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that right?

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I was only thinking of like, you know, being the weak player in poker and then like the

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_01]: fish and like, if you do badly and then like, Oh my gosh.

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But like the expectation that I could fish, although I guess as soon as they saw, saw me,

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe that would have been shattered.

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But like, so I went with Steven, which I regretted for a long time.

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause it's fun to have, you know, a nickname when you come off the show, you know?

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you, you're like a Boston Rob.

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, should you have been the first Cochran and say to come into like, please Jeff, call

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_01]: me fish back.

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think it was that like meta before.

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that like, that became more of a thing after, after I was on, on survivor.

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_01]: The, um, yeah.

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's, it's a funny, like, do you want like an unimpressed, like a nickname that minimizes

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_01]: you, what would be like the perfect nickname to minimize someone?

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, teeny is good.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, little brain.

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But then like you get to the final tribal, this is the problem.

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You want it to be something you can't be like over the top.

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Cause then you get the final tribal and we're like, yeah, he's a little brain.

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Dummy.

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The Rob that sucks is pretty good.

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That's, I mean, that's yeah.

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Sucky Rob.

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Cause I think the Rob that sucks is too many words.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'll, I mean, sucky Rob is fine.

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Sucky Rob.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Steven, uh, Daniel wants to, would you like to share a rotisserie chicken with no utensils

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_02]: or get one hot dog with no condiments?

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh gosh.

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: This isn't a real question, right?

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the chicken you're saying.

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to share though.

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, you share and like other people, everyone's taking like a little bit

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But on Survivor, you wouldn't share a chicken.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You'd rather have your own.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Would you rather?

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_01]: What's like, this is like a choice.

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if the absolute quantity of meat was the same, I would probably go for the hot

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_01]: dog.

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just cause I don't want to have to share.

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think there's meat in a hot dog.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, whatever the, you know, meat like substance.

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, did it bother you?

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't give them condiments for the hot dog.

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_02]: That seemed to, that seemed unnecessary.

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Give them some ketchup.

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that they're probably, and I know they put a lot of thought into everything.

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that they, the issue would have been these like, uh, famished survivor players.

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we'd see them like eating the bowl of ketchup.

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, for sure.

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Eating the bowl of mustard.

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And I just be gross.

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And also, yeah, I don't know.

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they could have like had some way to control it.

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But that would be good TV.

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That would be great.

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It would be fun.

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess so.

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't have to air it.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_01]: If it's gross, you know, you're welcome to like cut away.

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_01]: What'd you think of cornhole?

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That was fun.

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It was nice that they had a game.

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you a cornhole guy?

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I'm not very good.

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, cornhole is something you see at like every, like a lot of like kids parks.

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting better because you know, it's something that, you know, whenever I go to some

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_01]: sort of activity event, there's always a cornhole.

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Should you throw the cornhole game of, if you're playing of like a, that, Hey, I don't want

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: people to think I'm good at challenges.

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So, Oh, I suck it in throwing the beanbag.

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And you don't want to be too good.

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you were like facing everyone, people might be like, Oh yeah.

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this guy's a real Reynolds Topher.

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Thundercats has a question.

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Sam raised his hand to take credit for Anika's elimination.

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That was interesting.

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Whose move was this?

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Sam's like, yeah, that's going to be like, this is art.

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: But that was bad.

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That was, that was a weak moment of, of the episode for him.

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause he should be like, we're strong.

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Andy said it was all three of us.

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Was that better for Andy's resume cred or should he have left Sam to take all the credit

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_02]: and blame?

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I thought it was good for Andy, you know, my gosh, give him a, it's really for the audience

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: of Rachel, not even for Anika.

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And right.

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So like, does that alienate, you know, for Sam, does that alienate Rachel from him further?

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but Andy already is like perceived as being in the bottom.

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And so maybe for Rachel, this makes him look like more of a viable strategic partner after,

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, her initial rejection of him in the night.

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It was interesting.

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially pre-jury.

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So like, uh, have that question of.

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter what Anika thinks.

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter what Anika thinks.

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But you're thinking what the audience at home thinks.

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You're thinking about like, when, when a question like that is asked, of course your head is

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_01]: going to like, this is going to be on TV.

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my, that's, that's my move.

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Give me the fishy.

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I want the fishy for this.

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And Steven's like, bet.

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Here you go.

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So.

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what the kids are saying?

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a, it's like a slang that I'm not aware of.

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: You're lucky you live with a Gen Z-er.

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: You're only a couple of years away from knowing everything.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You get the fishy.

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Your game was Skibbity Ohio toilet.

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But, but for Rachel.

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I just, that's, that's the biggest question I think coming out of this episode is how does

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: she react to this?

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I think if I'm Rachel, I'm like, great move guys.

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank God Anika's gone.

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to form those bonds.

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And then of course it makes you a little bit more suspicious.

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I feel like that we saw Rachel establishing rapport with Caroline and Teenie.

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like, oh my God, what happened?

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, especially when the narrative is like Sam and Sierra are running everything.

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And then when Rachel's like, oh, well, I got left out of the boat.

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, wow, I guess Sam and Sierra are running everything.

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, like that's part of also why I think that it's good for, for Sam to, to have taken.

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause like, if there's this story about Sam and Sierra running everything, but the real

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: power is in the breadwinners.

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, and Sam is a very, this is very disposable for them.

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Versus now, like Sam is essential to his allies in a way where Sierra is like really bonded

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_01]: to him now.

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, let's see.

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: This is, so this is, uh, Ellis is the fishy count was, um, uh, week one was Teenie.

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Two was, uh, responsible for Marianne's choices.

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Week three was Andy.

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Andy got a fishy.

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yes.

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And then four was Genevieve and Rome.

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The official fishy count for survivor 47.

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't, I can't, I've had this Marianne.

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Did she, I didn't, I didn't.

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think that Marianne, Marianne's fishy, uh, is not canon.

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So you, you gave the fishy to Sue.

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_01]: That has to be her old catch of the day.

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, Michael Goldberg has a question.

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: How does Steven feel about the survivor social hour reward?

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: How would you guys improve it?

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It was just kind of dumb.

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's like, so can I tell you what, what Shannon, uh, suggested, which I

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: thought was actually very good.

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to like, uh, amplify Shannon's message.

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Shannon said that the reward should have been more meaningful.

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And she suggested that the reward should have been letters from home.

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you are competing.

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So they're all along this emotional moment.

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: That's great.

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You're having this emotional moment together.

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So that she really, I thought this is a great idea that you're like, this is why she's,

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: uh, she's good at what she does.

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Then you're fighting with your own tribe mates.

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: To like, Oh, my, my friend is on the, you prevented, you know how much the letters mean to me.

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I like that a lot.

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot better.

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause like a hot dog.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, okay, you got a hot dog.

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And like, you got to like, guys, there wasn't even condiments.

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It sucked.

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I really, it's really, it's, I like that.

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Very twisty.

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm hmm.

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and we saw like the letters with Charlie and Maria last season of like, you know,

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_02]: was that a factor in like, uh, like any sort of like bad blood.

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So you prevent somebody from getting their letters.

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, that's what, that's very good.

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: That's very good.

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, John wants to know, should, uh, okay.

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Should Rachel immediately jump ship or should she attempt to stay with Gata for a bit?

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she's should keep her options open.

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm hmm.

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Should she potentially throw out any of those names?

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It seems if, uh, she is in the Gabler position of she's safe.

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: She wins Sierra or Sam is in the, uh, group that is.

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: That makes it lie likelier that Sam, I mean, it's a very, it's a very, you know, Andy is

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_01]: the safe fishy here.

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Because like nothing's going to happen to Andy next week.

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: There is a world where this like blows up meaningfully in Sam's face.

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: For that very reason, like Rachel comes out and is like furious.

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So at the, at the, you know, the, the fake merge, she, at Mergatory, she throws out Sam's

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: name and Sam is a very easy consensus move for everybody.

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And let me just say heading into the Mergatory, remember you are not safe.

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Do not say any names.

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: That's rule number one of the Mergatory.

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see if somebody gets burned by that next week.

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Steve, anything else you want to say heading into this?

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: No, this was a very, uh, it was a fun episode.

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It was fun.

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Anything we didn't talk about.

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We got the, you know, the Sue Tiana, um, thing we got, we got the, obviously the vote

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: to Gata and, uh, we got the, the shenanigans over with, uh, with the red tribe.

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think we hit it all.

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty good.

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, let me just also, uh, remind people to check out Marianne and, uh, Shannon after the

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: episode, it was a really fun conversation.

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I listened to it right before we came on here.

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, great job by them.

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you again, Shannon for filling in for me live after the episode for the patrons.

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going right.

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to keep talking about this, uh, survivor episode four o'clock today will be the patron

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Q and a, we've been having a lot of fun on Fridays, taking all the patron calls.

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, that will be a great distraction from, uh, what my Mets are doing, uh, during that

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_02]: same time, Steven.

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Playing baseball.

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Playing baseball for today.

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what happens after that.

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and then of course, uh, check out the live show from, uh, the other night.

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Also, if you haven't had a chance to watch that one and then I'll be back on Monday night

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: for club condo to talk about all the nonsense from the week of survivor.

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Steven, what else is coming up for you?

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing.

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know, we didn't talk about was Anika's exit, which I know you spoke about with her

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm sure everybody's talking about, but it does feel like, you know, we can't talk

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: about this episode without this.

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, she really like went down the line.

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_01]: What did you, what did you do?

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And what did you do?

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And what did you, is that going to change how people, because like also, you know,

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: first of all, she was feeling it and it was very raw.

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It was very real.

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It was very vulnerable, but also it was good TV.

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think people are going to be more like, you know, boom, boom, boom, boom, like moving

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: forward?

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you know, in the new era, I think there's been an evolution in terms of how we want to,

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: uh, have these exits, uh, go out and in survivor 42, especially like, uh, Drea, she got blindsided

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and she was like, wow.

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, great.

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Great.

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And Jeff's like, wow, I love that.

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That's fantastic.

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think we saw that like, um, also like the sportsmanship of you blindsided me.

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, well struck.

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Good job.

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You got me.

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think that the show is like reverting back to a little bit more of like, no, it's

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: okay to be upset.

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: If you get blindsided, it's okay to call people scumbags on the way out the door.

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And we like that.

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That's okay.

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It's emotional.

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like vulnerable.

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It's true.

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, I would never do that, but it's like authentic.

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's real.

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm hmm.

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, well, like, uh, uh, I hope you get a rash.

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to, what if you're the person and this is what I would like to see who they have

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: to like bring out the hook, you know, just like, okay, time to go.

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Just like monologue until they force you out of there.

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's, that's the next, uh, you know, evolution and strategy.

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that will just never make the light of day in the edit.

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so you'll, it'll, it will happen.

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You will just get cut.

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I think that, um, there's probably, it's just the thing is like you're blindsided.

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, you're not, you know, the presence of mind to do a bit.

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: If you go in planning the bit, knowing that it could be you, then you'd have to like fake

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: the blind side.

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you, you, well, I mean, I don't know, like I knew before I got voted out what I wanted

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: to say when I got voted out, cause I had a good sense that it could be me.

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I feel like I could have relied on, like if I had a whole routine planned, you know,

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: like a little soft shoe.

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm.

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Could have been good.

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to dance.

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_01]: What if you do a synchronized dance?

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: With, with who?

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: With the people that voted you out?

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's not a great.

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm imagining like my backup dancers coming in, you know, from the sides.

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Would that not happen?

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, who are your backup dancers?

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_02]: The jury?

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we got to work on that.

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the way there's problems with the idea.

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But you can dance though.

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't.

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't dance.

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you kidding?

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You've seen me at your wedding.

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_01]: You saw me at your wedding.

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Was I?

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I saw you at your wedding.

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was, that was crazy.

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: We took dance lessons for like weeks.

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we were still a second.

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: That wouldn't help me.

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Moment that the band hit the song.

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: We were off the beat.

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, like not even like 10 seconds later, we were like off the beat.

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So you couldn't learn a dance for this?

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Chappelle says Stephen could mime.

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I could.

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I could.

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: A miming would be like.

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: A physical box of my being voted out.

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I could reignite my torch.

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that would be pretty good.

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Although they might think it's too silly.

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It depends on what your character was like.

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Stephen, great job.

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be back on Thursday next week, right?

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Back on our regular schedule for next week.

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Thursday at 3 p.m.

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_02]: At 3 p.m.

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_02]: We will see you then.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Take care, everybody.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Have a good one.

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Bye.

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Big thanks to Eric Barger, who composed the beautiful ballad you just heard.

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Hear more of his music at It Electric over on Instagram.