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[00:01:04] Well, actually, they didn't really win the game at all.
[00:01:10] Survivor Know-It-Alls.
[00:01:13] That's right. The Survivor Know-It-Alls are back together this week after a little bit of an interruption last week.
[00:01:44] Thanks so much to Owen Knight for jumping in for me on the podcast last week while I had to be a very good husband
[00:01:51] and attend to my wife's medical needs.
[00:01:55] Hobnobbing with the Dr. Roddy.
[00:01:57] Hobnobbing with the, yeah, with the medical crew.
[00:02:02] All right, but everything is back to normal over here and very excited to be back here with Stephen Fishback.
[00:02:08] Rob, it's a thrill to be back with you too. My gosh, I missed you.
[00:02:12] I mean, it was wonderful podcasting with Owen. I thought he did an awesome job.
[00:02:16] Rob, I want to say before we start, I guess this is actually kind of starting.
[00:02:21] Can I jump right in?
[00:02:21] Jump right in. Jump.
[00:02:24] I loved your interview with Gabe. I just listened to it before we did this.
[00:02:28] I thought it was so good. I just like, I really, it made me really like Gabe in a way.
[00:02:33] I did. I mean, I enjoyed him on the show, but I think we got a lot of like kind of mustache twirling confessionals from him
[00:02:39] where he was like, I'm just using all these people.
[00:02:42] And he gave such great, thorough, like big, insightful answers to your questions.
[00:02:49] He spoke a mile a mile.
[00:02:50] You know how you like say like some people speak in paragraphs?
[00:02:53] Like he was speaking in like essay format, you know, like well-structured essay.
[00:02:57] So great listen for anybody who has not yet listened to it.
[00:03:01] And I would like, you know, you did mention that you think he'd be a great podcast guest.
[00:03:05] At some point, you know, when you are hobnobbing with the Glitterati, I would like to get him on the, as a fill-in know-it-all.
[00:03:10] Yeah, I think that Gabe, I appreciate all that. Thank you very much, Steven.
[00:03:14] That I think that Gabe is a character and a persona.
[00:03:19] I think that I've been comparing him to like a James Jones of that.
[00:03:24] Somebody who is like very knowledgeable at the game in like a very like good position for most of the game.
[00:03:31] That they are going to have like interesting takes about the game coming off of the show.
[00:03:38] But I do feel like that Survivor doesn't necessarily know what to do with this character.
[00:03:44] I think that so much of Survivor is about depicting the struggle, the underdog.
[00:03:50] Like Andy, they know what to do with.
[00:03:52] Teenie, they know what to do with.
[00:03:54] But person who's kind of like the overdog.
[00:03:58] And other than just turning them into a flat out villain, which they don't really want to do.
[00:04:04] And I don't think that these players are doing anything to necessitate them becoming villains.
[00:04:09] I think it's a little bit hard for the show to find what to do with these players.
[00:04:14] That are sort of like running their side of the alliance.
[00:04:17] And not doing anything that's making them like unlikable people.
[00:04:21] Yeah, that's a really good observation.
[00:04:23] And I think you're right that, you know, those kind of mustache twirling confessionals are the symptom of that.
[00:04:27] It's like we got to get him something.
[00:04:29] We have to show him being strategic.
[00:04:31] And it used to be.
[00:04:32] He's overconfident.
[00:04:33] Yeah, exactly.
[00:04:34] Right.
[00:04:34] Back when they were like.
[00:04:35] And if he wins, of course, you show like all the little strategic permutations of that.
[00:04:39] But like when he goes out in ninth place, you know, that's hard to do.
[00:04:44] And, you know, it used to be that there were three or four really strategic people on a season.
[00:04:48] And like then you could kind of really give them sort of breath.
[00:04:52] But, you know, when everybody and especially this season, really like everybody is playing like a decent game or better.
[00:05:00] You know, I think it's it's what do you do with like that guy?
[00:05:03] Like the top dog.
[00:05:04] You're right.
[00:05:04] That's a real.
[00:05:05] And we got you know, I think he's great as an establishing character.
[00:05:08] We got him a lot out of the gate, like building the alliance, looking for the boxes.
[00:05:12] But then at this sort of like mid merge, you know, where do you show that?
[00:05:17] And especially.
[00:05:18] Yeah.
[00:05:18] So it's interesting.
[00:05:19] Like, yeah.
[00:05:20] Yeah.
[00:05:20] So got the exit interview in with Gabe.
[00:05:23] Then last night had a really fun podcast with Q, who said that Q has hijacked a podcast.
[00:05:31] And he came in and was really, really fun.
[00:05:36] Lots of interesting stuff with Q.
[00:05:38] I also recorded an interview today.
[00:05:40] I mean, it's talk about a new era Mount Rushmore week here on Rob as a podcast that I just got off talking to Carolyn.
[00:05:48] And so that's going to be tomorrow.
[00:05:50] We're going to premiere my interview with Carolyn.
[00:05:55] Now on the Q podcast.
[00:05:57] Did you cancel Christmas?
[00:06:00] I'm hoping that Q cancels Christmas.
[00:06:02] I really am.
[00:06:03] You know, I got a lot of obligations at Christmas time.
[00:06:08] And if Q cancels Christmas, that would be phenomenal for me.
[00:06:12] Right.
[00:06:13] Love your gifts to give.
[00:06:14] Yes.
[00:06:15] Yes.
[00:06:16] And really, there's just like all that time off would not have to be doing Christmas stuff.
[00:06:20] Don't have to decorate.
[00:06:21] I mean, if Q cancels Christmas, I would be the number one fan of that.
[00:06:26] Are you a Grinch?
[00:06:28] That's what they say.
[00:06:29] They say I'm a Grinch, but I spend a lot of money on presents and doing all these things for everybody.
[00:06:36] Like I make a lot of people have a very good holiday, but they still call me a Grinch.
[00:06:42] You know what I would say, Rob?
[00:06:44] I feel like the real altruists are the people who hate doing it, but do it anyway.
[00:06:48] You know, like you love giving.
[00:06:51] It's a selfish act to give, but you hate it.
[00:06:54] Right.
[00:06:54] And I do it anyway.
[00:06:56] So you're a true hero.
[00:06:57] Yes.
[00:06:57] Thank you.
[00:06:58] Thank you for finally noticing, Steven.
[00:07:00] I appreciate that.
[00:07:01] But anyway, so one of the things that came up with Q last night that I think is interesting about this season, especially compared to Survivor 46, is that this game is seemingly like Survivor 46 to me was like a season of like haves and have nots in terms of, okay, these are the couple of people that we're identifying that can win.
[00:07:20] And then the people who are drawing dead.
[00:07:25] And then ultimately Kenzie was kind of the person who's like, well, she's not drawing dead, but she's not the big threat.
[00:07:31] And then ultimately she ends up being the person who wins.
[00:07:34] This season is actually much different in that there's really not like a have and have not situation where there's like, there's not like two or three people that we have identified.
[00:07:45] Okay.
[00:07:46] These are the true power players that if they get to the end, they win.
[00:07:51] And then here's four people that are drawing dead.
[00:07:54] Like overall, it's pretty even.
[00:07:56] And Genevieve kind of elevated herself as like Genevieve and Gabe had sort of been like slightly elevated above the rest of the fray, which made them number one targets.
[00:08:06] I kind of thought that after last week, Genevieve taking out Saul was a decent enough move because as we've seen in the new era, the big threat, you take out the big threat.
[00:08:19] Oh, you have to go.
[00:08:21] Well, Genevieve is like, I'll take out a medium threat.
[00:08:23] Right.
[00:08:23] But she did something and it's like, okay, well, Genevieve has to go.
[00:08:28] So isn't that interesting, though, in terms of like this season of how open it is?
[00:08:32] And then also there's also no like, okay, they are absolutely they have no shot.
[00:08:37] Yeah, I truly I mean, even, you know, a lot of people are speculating that Andy could win this season.
[00:08:43] And, you know, he if you had looked in episode one, it's like the guy you're saying, oh, that guy's got no shot.
[00:08:47] But now he's a real viable winner.
[00:08:49] I mean, who really has no shot?
[00:08:51] I think Sue is pretty unlikely based on what we've seen.
[00:08:53] I would say she's eight of eight.
[00:08:56] And then like Kyle is probably seven.
[00:08:58] But, you know, the rest of them are.
[00:09:00] But only because like why?
[00:09:02] Because Kyle gets to the end.
[00:09:03] People are voting for him.
[00:09:03] I can see World War Kyle wins.
[00:09:04] Yeah.
[00:09:05] Kyle is not drawing dead.
[00:09:06] Kyle like has no shot to get to the end because people realize that he would win.
[00:09:11] And he quite literally has no shot in the dark to get to the end either.
[00:09:16] So, yeah.
[00:09:17] Yeah, it is really interesting.
[00:09:18] It's a very fun season, I think, because everyone is making strategic ish, you know, other than possibly
[00:09:25] Sue, whose primary motivation seems to be that Kyle wrote her name down.
[00:09:28] Everyone else is making strategic decisions, you know, that are with the goal of advancing
[00:09:34] them in themselves further into the game.
[00:09:36] Now, I think something that 46 had that this season doesn't have is that sort of like those
[00:09:40] kind of like breakout characters.
[00:09:42] Yeah.
[00:09:42] And even 45, which I honestly think like is my favorite season of the new era.
[00:09:46] I hope that's not a contentious take.
[00:09:48] Like, I know.
[00:09:48] I felt like I don't think so at all.
[00:09:50] Okay.
[00:09:51] I think that's the conventional wisdom.
[00:09:53] Oh, shoot.
[00:09:54] What happened?
[00:09:55] I have to change.
[00:09:55] Oh, God.
[00:09:56] What have I become?
[00:09:57] I guess I'm, you know, I'm a middle-aged man.
[00:09:59] Just like conventional.
[00:10:00] All what I believe are my own opinions are just conventional.
[00:10:05] The no, but like, you know, there you have like a few characters who you're like, wow,
[00:10:08] those people are playing really good games.
[00:10:10] Like D is playing a really good game.
[00:10:12] And I don't know if we have like that yet this season.
[00:10:15] I feel like that's what this season is missing, but so many people are playing good games.
[00:10:20] You know, there's so many people who are playing really strong, good games that are really fun
[00:10:23] to watch and seeing all those permutations come together is really exciting.
[00:10:29] I mean, I know that Jeff, you know, according to the on fire podcast, like hates the blowout
[00:10:33] votes, but you know, the journey to get to these blowout votes where you're seeing just all
[00:10:38] of these people wheeling and dealing is so fascinating.
[00:10:42] Like to me, that's what Survivor is about.
[00:10:43] Well, this has been a season of pylons in terms of the votes.
[00:10:46] Even last night's nine person vote was a seven to two split.
[00:10:51] Do you make anything of that in terms of is that the players being like somewhat craven
[00:10:56] of like, OK, oh, this is where the votes are going.
[00:10:59] Let's all just vote with the house, as they would say on Big Brother.
[00:11:02] Yeah, I think that's it.
[00:11:03] I think they're self-interested.
[00:11:04] They're all smart.
[00:11:05] And so nobody's going to like take a stand and like do a losing vote.
[00:11:09] You know, there seems to be a lot of information flow between them because the alliance lines
[00:11:13] are not that rigid.
[00:11:14] And so as a result of that, you have a lot of different, you know, everyone kind of like
[00:11:19] gets the the final word.
[00:11:21] You know, last week, obviously, it was really seemed to be at the last minute, but everyone
[00:11:25] gets the word.
[00:11:26] And so nobody wants to be left out and they intelligently jump into the vote.
[00:11:30] So, you know, it's fun seeing someone like Andy put himself at the center of that kind
[00:11:36] of information flow where he is like the major information broker, at least it seems.
[00:11:40] I mean, he's had really, really quite a recovery.
[00:11:42] So we saw in this episode a lot of Andy talking about, you know, the great confessional with
[00:11:48] him with the spider.
[00:11:49] We also saw Rachel and Sam sort of in the middle of that.
[00:11:52] Do you think that and we'll get to who gets the fishy, but were they the ultimate shot callers
[00:11:58] here in what was going to happen versus it being Genevieve or Gabe?
[00:12:04] Yeah.
[00:12:05] I mean, I think like the obviously was it Caroline?
[00:12:09] Um, it was Caroline.
[00:12:11] Was she the one who should kind of like came around on it?
[00:12:13] Um, the, the, the, I think that this was a situation where who had, who had the vote
[00:12:21] were like, do you show them holding it?
[00:12:22] Was it, was it, was it, was it someone who the vote that you should hold them, show them
[00:12:25] holding up the parchment and saying like, you know, we just can't miss this chance to take
[00:12:28] you out right now.
[00:12:29] It was like right at the last, um, let me review my notes.
[00:12:33] Um, I'm sure someone in the, in the chat will get it, but you know, I think that was ultimately,
[00:12:37] you know, what it was is that you've got these four to coup.
[00:12:41] You just cannot, as much as you might want to get Genevieve out.
[00:12:44] Um, oh, uh, someone's saying Rachel.
[00:12:47] Um, okay.
[00:12:48] Okay.
[00:12:48] You know, as much as you might want to get, um,
[00:12:50] Um, yeah, you know, Rachel, she, we heard that we didn't see what she voted.
[00:12:55] That's the point.
[00:12:56] It's like, you cannot let the four to coup advance to eight.
[00:12:59] Like, even though we, as the viewers know that there's dissension in those ranks,
[00:13:02] like Sue hates Kyle.
[00:13:04] Like there's, I think like, it's easy to toy with the idea of like, let's get out
[00:13:08] Genevieve, but like, you really just can't let this group of four that's never voted
[00:13:12] against each other.
[00:13:13] Except the one time Kyle voted for Sue, um, which was pre-merge, you know, but, but, but,
[00:13:17] uh, you know, so, but you know, you can't let them get to eight together.
[00:13:21] So like, I think the pressure to take out Gabe was always going to be a little bit overwhelming.
[00:13:26] And Josh Kettles made that great, this great point on, um, on blue sky that, you know,
[00:13:31] it actually kind of is makes Genevieve's move to take out salt a little bit better because
[00:13:36] even if she's worried about being a target like this coming week, um, there's just so
[00:13:42] much pressure to take out a two coup.
[00:13:43] So last week's move of taking out salt was a better move because it made, it put the
[00:13:48] onus on, okay.
[00:13:49] The other five people have to vote together to take out, uh, one of the two coup.
[00:13:54] Yeah, right.
[00:13:55] Exactly.
[00:13:55] Like there's just no, like, like you have a little bit of insulation going into this vote
[00:13:59] because you know, and of course, like there's a world where, you know, Sue finds out about
[00:14:03] it and plays her idol for Gabe, but like, even so, you know, in, even in that world, it's
[00:14:07] Genevieve.
[00:14:08] Well, they don't even know Sue has an idol.
[00:14:09] Right.
[00:14:09] And Gabe didn't know Sue had an idol.
[00:14:11] Right.
[00:14:11] So let's go back to, cause you and I didn't get to talk about, uh, Genevieve's move from
[00:14:16] last week.
[00:14:17] And I think that I was at the time that it happened as a little bit like, okay, I love
[00:14:21] that she did this, uh, you know, sad for Saul, but, uh, I don't really understand the logic
[00:14:27] behind it, but we got in the episode that there was, uh, at least some, even though
[00:14:32] in this episode, we talked about that, uh, Genevieve doesn't have any emotional feelings
[00:14:36] towards people that the episode gave us a little bit that like, Hey, this is payback
[00:14:39] for my friend Rome.
[00:14:41] I hate Saul for that.
[00:14:43] I've wanted to get him out since that, since he, uh, screwed over Rome.
[00:14:46] But within this episode, Genevieve is like very much like, I didn't have any sort of personal
[00:14:51] feelings with people.
[00:14:52] So for Genevieve now trying not to be results oriented, I felt like that, uh, her move really
[00:15:00] just kind of just, uh, spiraled out of control.
[00:15:03] Uh, I thought that it was probably would have been better received by everybody had it been
[00:15:10] what she ultimately tried to do, uh, originally where, okay, I'm going to vote with the Tuku,
[00:15:15] get Andy on board and then, uh, go.
[00:15:20] And that'll be, that'll be it.
[00:15:22] And it's not going to be seen so much as a Genevieve move.
[00:15:25] Right.
[00:15:25] But it really like, I mean, credit to Gabe, although it didn't work out for him.
[00:15:29] Like he really like, was like, Hey, this is your move, Genevieve.
[00:15:32] This is your choice.
[00:15:33] Um, and I think you're probably right that she probably did not want to own it as much
[00:15:37] as she did.
[00:15:38] She probably wanted, I didn't totally, I feel like we never got Genevieve's answer about
[00:15:43] why this was so good for her.
[00:15:44] And hopefully at some point, well, I mean, at some point she'll be interviewed.
[00:15:47] Um, I'd love to like find out why it was so important, so important, you know, so Saul
[00:15:51] said in your exit interview with him that, you know, he had all these different connections.
[00:15:55] And so Genevieve wanted to like eliminate that because it may, because it opened up her game
[00:15:59] more, but it still is not totally clear to me why this was good for her game.
[00:16:03] Because Saul was someone who was, you know, according to him trying to get her to the final
[00:16:06] three.
[00:16:07] He was someone who was like watching her back.
[00:16:08] And, you know, here, this episode, we see Genevieve largely isolated.
[00:16:12] Nobody is talking to her.
[00:16:13] You know, she says like, I'm just sitting here and nobody's coming over and talking to me.
[00:16:16] And that, you know, that's what you miss from not having allies.
[00:16:19] Like you need the people who are in the conversations that you're not in telling you what you need
[00:16:25] to pay attention to.
[00:16:26] And so that's why I think it was like such a bad move for Genevieve.
[00:16:28] And I think it did almost blow up in her face.
[00:16:30] And I think if it weren't for this overwhelming pressure of these four tukus, like it, it
[00:16:36] probably would have.
[00:16:37] That being said, I do think there's a world where now she's a little bit off the hook.
[00:16:42] You know, I think I realistically, I think Genevieve is one of the next two vote outs,
[00:16:45] but I think it might not be the next vote out because sometimes like sometimes in Survivor,
[00:16:49] like when someone like just barely misses it, like people kind of give them a grace period,
[00:16:54] you know, on the next vote, they're like, okay, you know, you got, you got through that
[00:16:58] one.
[00:16:58] We're going to move on.
[00:16:59] If Kyle is vulnerable, that could be for Genevieve.
[00:17:02] Yeah.
[00:17:03] You know, I think it's interesting that this vote ended up being between Gabe and Genevieve
[00:17:08] because I kind of see them as similar players in the game.
[00:17:12] And I think that maybe Genevieve might have, you know, had a little bit of a self-awareness
[00:17:17] that maybe Gabe didn't see as much as they were potentially both seen as the leader of their
[00:17:24] group.
[00:17:24] And for Genevieve, who wasn't as tight with Teenie and Saul, even though Teenie and Saul
[00:17:30] felt tight with Genevieve, I think that Genevieve is like, hey, if I don't take out one of my
[00:17:35] own numbers, they're going to take me down as the leader of the Lavo people.
[00:17:42] Yeah.
[00:17:43] And that for Gabe, that is ultimately what happened to him is that he was seen as the leader of
[00:17:49] the Tukku four.
[00:17:50] Caroline, I thought it was back when they had that tribal council with Rachel.
[00:17:56] I think she says to Tiana where Tiana's like, hey, if we go back with five of us, like they're
[00:18:02] going to they're going to take us out.
[00:18:04] And Caroline says, yep, they'll take out one of us, but it won't be me or you.
[00:18:08] It'll be Gabe.
[00:18:09] Great, great callback.
[00:18:10] And I think that for Genevieve, I think that she was able to see I'm in trouble here as
[00:18:14] being if I am as seen as the leader of this group.
[00:18:18] So if I take out Saul, all of a sudden I'm not as threatening, but she wasn't able to
[00:18:24] do it in a way to hide the fact that she was the person who made a move.
[00:18:28] Yeah, she became much more threatening.
[00:18:30] If that was her goal, mission failed.
[00:18:33] And I wonder if Gabe that should have maybe the move should have been to target Kyle last
[00:18:39] time.
[00:18:40] Right.
[00:18:41] And does Gabe stay if when Kyle doesn't win immunity?
[00:18:44] OK, let me instead of trying to, you know, jam my four down the throats of everybody else
[00:18:52] when we have the numbers, should I get ahead of that and take out Kyle so that that preemptive
[00:18:59] strike doesn't come at me?
[00:19:00] Yeah, I mean, that's exactly the major theme that I wanted to talk about today, which is,
[00:19:04] you know, I mean, and Kyle said the same thing, right?
[00:19:06] I need to take out Gabe like he's going to come for me.
[00:19:08] And Gabe really laid that out.
[00:19:10] He said, you know, there's four to coupes.
[00:19:12] I've got to get out Kyle because he said that right in the episode, like I've got to get
[00:19:16] out Kyle because we are going to be so threatening as a block.
[00:19:19] Like it just puts huge heat on me.
[00:19:21] And we do talk so much, you know, on this podcast about how you how silly it is often for
[00:19:27] people to turn on their allies.
[00:19:29] But when your ally being in the game is creating like more heat on you, like is like, does that
[00:19:35] make it a good move?
[00:19:36] And I'm so curious, like, is it a good move?
[00:19:38] So, you know, according to this episode, the first person to bring up Gabe's name was
[00:19:43] Kyle.
[00:19:44] And I think, you know, even Gabe said, you know, Kyle kind of like broaching it sort
[00:19:48] of like opened it up, you know, and probably Gabe would have been a target anyway or the
[00:19:52] target anyway.
[00:19:53] But, you know, Kyle saying it kind of like just sort of starts the ball rolling a bit.
[00:19:58] And is this a good move for Kyle?
[00:20:00] Like, does this remove heat from him?
[00:20:03] You know, Gabe made the point in your exit interview that no, it's not a good.
[00:20:07] I was thinking, like, do I give a fishy to Kyle today?
[00:20:10] Like he is the last person left without a fishy.
[00:20:12] Like, wouldn't that be beautiful?
[00:20:14] Like what's such a like a commune of fish?
[00:20:15] Yeah.
[00:20:15] But like gave me the point on your interview.
[00:20:17] Um, you know, it's bad for Kyle because Gabe was always going to be a target that to deflect
[00:20:23] off of Kyle.
[00:20:25] Kyle was the one person who would have been most served by two sticking together.
[00:20:30] So I think that while for Genevieve, maybe it's smart.
[00:20:33] Hey, I'm going to try to like weaken my side for Kyle.
[00:20:38] His only path to the end is to be part of like, like be the lowest person on a strong side and
[00:20:46] that he is not seen as like a big target.
[00:20:49] So for Gabe, it made sense to target Kyle last week when he was vulnerable.
[00:20:54] I did not think it was such a hot move for Kyle to be targeting Gabe.
[00:20:58] Yeah.
[00:20:59] Yeah.
[00:20:59] I, I, I ultimately, I agree because, you know, he is such a big target with this immunity
[00:21:05] streak, you know, that he's on, um, you know, Dalton tweeted that if he wins the next one,
[00:21:10] he will like have like met or I'm sorry, maybe it was someone, maybe it was, um, Jeff, uh,
[00:21:15] true dark times, like that, you know, this will be, uh, um, match Aussie streak of winning
[00:21:21] five out of, out of six challenges.
[00:21:23] Um, now of course there is a big asterisk by one of Kyle's wins, but, but, um, yeah,
[00:21:30] like multiple, multiple, why what's, what's the other, I mean, one, the one asterisk I'm
[00:21:34] thinking of is where like two people did better than him, but also like he will ends up winning
[00:21:38] against half the field, uh, in, in the first one.
[00:21:41] That's the same one.
[00:21:43] Uh, also, um, well, so that, um, there were, no, there was two because then the first ones
[00:21:47] at Mergatory where like, at some point it's like, you know, like, so like, you know, our
[00:21:52] Cochran's wins against like, you know, the four, the final four of that.
[00:21:56] Do those not count?
[00:21:57] Like he wanted him, he wanted an individual, you know, he got the necklace.
[00:22:00] It's like, are we, are we now trying to count like how many people are, are, you know, in
[00:22:04] the, in the community are in the field before we give you full credit?
[00:22:06] I mean, in terms of the individual immunity wins, like he would not have even been eligible
[00:22:11] to compete for it.
[00:22:12] Had he been on the side of the, uh, Mergatory that lost.
[00:22:15] So it was a, it was a, against a lesser field.
[00:22:18] Um, also then, uh, one of them was like one man, one woman.
[00:22:23] So, um, you know, it's, it's a, it's a little bit, you know, I don't know necessarily
[00:22:29] like, look, great, great job by Kyle, but you know, to compare it to, I'm not sure,
[00:22:34] uh, what, like, if we go back to see if there was anything for Gazi with Ozzy's, uh, five
[00:22:39] wins or who else had five.
[00:22:42] I mean, I think Terry, Terry probably had five, you know, in, um, in Panama, I think.
[00:22:47] Yeah.
[00:22:48] Okay.
[00:22:48] I don't, again, uh, Colby had five.
[00:22:50] Wasn't he the first to five?
[00:22:52] Yeah.
[00:22:52] We'll look it up the, this week and see, uh, you know, how do we put in comparison
[00:22:57] Kyle?
[00:22:58] Mike Holloway.
[00:22:58] Yeah.
[00:22:59] But it's like, you know, some of these are like the final four, you beat three people,
[00:23:03] but Kyle beat five people.
[00:23:04] Like, do you really need to like, you know, how, how, how neat are we getting here?
[00:23:07] I guess so.
[00:23:08] I didn't think of it that way in terms of like, uh, is it that impressive if you win
[00:23:12] the final, the final four immunity?
[00:23:14] It's always been impressive to me.
[00:23:16] Yeah.
[00:23:17] But you know, or like, it's like, if it's like a, if it's like an eating competition,
[00:23:21] do you get like an asterisk?
[00:23:22] Cause it wasn't, you know, a balancing, a ball balancing competition, you know, like
[00:23:25] that's like, uh.
[00:23:26] Yeah.
[00:23:27] I know.
[00:23:27] So you, it sounds like you're saying no asterisks.
[00:23:31] Or there's like literally two people who perform it.
[00:23:34] That's hard.
[00:23:35] That's hard to, uh, stomach as a true way.
[00:23:38] Okay.
[00:23:38] Um, yeah.
[00:23:40] All right.
[00:23:40] Uh, so where should we, uh, jump back into this?
[00:23:45] Uh, do you want to talk about any particular players?
[00:23:49] Well, let's talk about, um, who, so is this a good move?
[00:23:53] And then like, who is this a good move for Gabe?
[00:23:54] I mean, I think we're all agreeing.
[00:23:55] Was it a good move to take out Gabe?
[00:23:57] Yeah.
[00:23:58] Okay.
[00:23:58] I mean, I'll go down the line.
[00:23:59] Uh, so yeah, definitely, uh, a good move for, um, for Genevieve for Teeny for good move
[00:24:07] for Genevieve.
[00:24:08] I think that Rachel is an interesting inflection point.
[00:24:11] Uh, Rachel, uh, seemingly wanted to take out Genevieve and, uh, ultimately kind of settles
[00:24:17] for Gabe in this episode after there wasn't enough of a critical mass to take out Genevieve.
[00:24:25] Did you think that Genevieve was a better target for Rachel?
[00:24:29] Well, what's funny about it is like, at least like the story that I saw in the episode and
[00:24:33] tell me if you agree or disagree with this, was that like Andy kind of like puts the, the,
[00:24:38] the brain worm into Genevieve's ear that, you know, that she's like threatening to her.
[00:24:43] Cause like Andy, we see Andy be saying something to, to, to Rachel, you know, like, oh,
[00:24:47] and Genevieve was throwing your name out too.
[00:24:49] She's wary of you.
[00:24:49] And then it seems like, and we have like Rachel go like, huh.
[00:24:52] And then in every subsequent conversation, Rachel's like, we got to get out.
[00:24:55] That's funny.
[00:24:56] I didn't put, uh, the, go back to Andy.
[00:24:59] And yeah, he says that not only that, uh, I think he goes, he sells past the clothes.
[00:25:03] Cause he's like, oh, Genevieve was saying your name.
[00:25:05] So I, I wouldn't trust her if I were you, but then she does it, you know, and maybe Rachel
[00:25:11] already didn't trust Genevieve, but, um, and she should, I mean, in fairness though,
[00:25:15] we did, we have seen, um, Genevieve pushing for Rachel in the past.
[00:25:20] So I don't know necessarily if it was, uh, a, I mean, it's like, you know, good for Andy
[00:25:25] to kind of like create all this dissension around him.
[00:25:28] Yeah.
[00:25:28] Um, I feel like that for Rachel, I think that leaving Jenna, I know that Genevieve is, uh,
[00:25:35] gunning for Rachel to some degree, but I feel like that Genevieve is still a bigger target.
[00:25:41] I guess that this is an interesting question of, is it better to have a bigger target out
[00:25:48] there that is potentially saying your name or like, uh, take out a lesser target, a lesser
[00:25:57] shield for you.
[00:25:59] Who's not targeting you.
[00:26:01] Oh, that's interesting.
[00:26:03] Um, better to take out a bigger target who is saying your name.
[00:26:07] Wait, no, that's like doubly bad.
[00:26:11] Like to take out, you want a bigger target and you want someone who, Oh, I see what you're
[00:26:14] saying.
[00:26:14] But the bigger target is Genevieve, but Genevieve saying like, Hey, what about people saying
[00:26:20] your name?
[00:26:20] I mean, although maybe at this point, everybody's saying everybody's name, but you know, the
[00:26:24] people who are pushing for you, I think you got to get out of the game.
[00:26:27] Like that is the goal.
[00:26:28] I think at this stage in the game, final eight, final nine, 10, you know, I think at this
[00:26:32] kind of like mid merge area, you want the people out who are the, cause like who are the
[00:26:36] ones putting you forward.
[00:26:37] Yeah.
[00:26:37] Okay.
[00:26:38] I think from Caroline's perspective, this is a very interesting, uh, move here.
[00:26:43] Uh, Caroline.
[00:26:44] I think too soon for Caroline PS.
[00:26:46] Okay.
[00:26:46] Let's talk about it because, yeah, because like she says like, Oh, go ahead.
[00:26:49] I'm sorry.
[00:26:49] You, you go ahead.
[00:26:51] Um, she says, you know, I'm not going to win against Gabe.
[00:26:54] Like people perceive him as being, you know, better than me or having played a better game
[00:26:59] than me.
[00:26:59] I think she even says like, he has played a better game than me.
[00:27:01] I don't think she, she makes it about perception.
[00:27:02] Um, Caroline also gracious, but, but, um, that's the kind of move where I feel like that's the
[00:27:10] one to wait, you know, like Gabe turning on Kyle kind of makes sense to me, but Caroline
[00:27:14] turning on Gabe.
[00:27:16] Wait till the final six, you know, he's going to be a huge target.
[00:27:19] Then wait till the final five.
[00:27:20] He's going to be used to then.
[00:27:20] But like by getting rid of this Chukwu block, like you are like minimizing your own leverage
[00:27:27] in this game.
[00:27:28] Yeah.
[00:27:28] I think that that's probably right.
[00:27:31] And I, you and I, I think I've been a pretty complimentary about Caroline so far and certainly
[00:27:35] could see a path for her in terms of like, uh, her edit in the season to ultimately getting
[00:27:42] to the end, but I'm not sure necessarily how she gets to the end without other players
[00:27:48] making errors in terms of what they're doing, because now I'm not sure who she jumped to
[00:27:54] or with.
[00:27:55] She doesn't seem to have any other, uh, particularly close allies other than Sue.
[00:28:01] So if it's just her and Sue, it's not her and Sue and Kyle.
[00:28:05] Right.
[00:28:05] For sure.
[00:28:06] I mean, maybe she's thinking her and Sue and teeny.
[00:28:08] I mean, we've, we've seen, you know, her talking to teeny a bunch.
[00:28:11] Potentially.
[00:28:12] Right.
[00:28:12] And I, I feel like that would be at this stage.
[00:28:15] And I, you know, we'll talk about this later, but I think.
[00:28:17] Teeny's got, you know, a lot of game left in them, but, but, um, you know, I, I think at
[00:28:22] this stage from Caroline's perspective, like a Sue teeny Caroline perspective, uh, final
[00:28:27] three could be very, it could be good for her.
[00:28:29] What do you think the next move is from Caroline's perspective?
[00:28:32] Um, yeah, I, I mean, I think everyone's got to push for Genevieve.
[00:28:36] Right.
[00:28:37] And, and the challenge is going to, for Caroline, I think is going to be keeping Kyle, um, around
[00:28:42] given that Sue hates Kyle.
[00:28:43] Do you want to keep Kyle around or is the next move of like, okay, Kyle doesn't win immunity.
[00:28:48] And this is like a great way to patch things up with Sue of like, all right, Sue, come on,
[00:28:53] let's get Kyle.
[00:28:54] Right.
[00:28:55] So yeah, that's a good point that Sue is probably going to feel a bit betrayed by, uh, by Caroline.
[00:28:59] For sure.
[00:29:00] I was very surprised that Caroline would make this move, uh, without looping in Sue.
[00:29:04] Well, do we know Sue wasn't looped in?
[00:29:06] It's possible.
[00:29:07] She voted for Genevieve.
[00:29:08] Yeah.
[00:29:08] But she might, she might just not have been willing to vote for Gabe.
[00:29:13] I, she does not strike me as like having, uh, an incredible poker face.
[00:29:20] She's got a, something's going on with her face.
[00:29:22] We've got to talk about that too.
[00:29:24] Yeah.
[00:29:25] She has a very dirty face.
[00:29:27] Very dirty.
[00:29:27] Yeah.
[00:29:27] Very dirty.
[00:29:28] Yeah.
[00:29:29] Do you remember Nina's face in like Survivor?
[00:29:32] Um, Nina, who was in the 24, I think.
[00:29:34] Nina Acosta.
[00:29:35] Nina.
[00:29:35] Yeah.
[00:29:36] False face first.
[00:29:37] And kind of like the rest of the game was like, the rest of the game is like one, one
[00:29:39] more day.
[00:29:40] But like, I mean, like Sue has, as far as we have seen has not taken any like direct facial
[00:29:44] injuries, but you know, kind of reminds me of like Nina's face in that, uh, yeah, you
[00:29:49] know.
[00:29:51] I don't know what's going on there.
[00:29:52] Yeah.
[00:29:53] It looks very dirty.
[00:29:55] Yeah.
[00:29:56] Yeah.
[00:29:56] Um, yeah.
[00:29:57] I, I, I spoke with Carolyn about this, that Carolyn had some theories, uh, that we could listen
[00:30:02] to in, uh, just to tease that podcast about that.
[00:30:05] But yeah, I don't know.
[00:30:06] I don't know what's going on.
[00:30:07] Yeah.
[00:30:08] Um, anyway, so, so no poker face for, for Sue, just a dirty face.
[00:30:12] Um, is there strategy to looking extra dirty and homely?
[00:30:16] Like, uh, in terms of like, like if I really like make myself like, you know, if you go
[00:30:21] into like a job interview, it's like, Oh, well this guy's not a threat.
[00:30:24] Look at him.
[00:30:25] He's all dirty.
[00:30:26] Well, you know, the mosquitoes bother you less if you're filthy, you know, it's when it's
[00:30:31] when you get clean, at least that was in token chains, like the bugs, when we got clean,
[00:30:35] that's when the bugs really came, came for us.
[00:30:37] That said, like nobody wants to cuddle in the shelter when you stink.
[00:30:40] And maybe that's, maybe that's the goal too.
[00:30:42] It's like to keep people away in the shelter at night.
[00:30:44] Yeah.
[00:30:44] Well, just because you have are dirty doesn't mean you stink.
[00:30:48] I mean, they're, they're often related, but you know, if you're putting dirt on your
[00:30:52] face, it doesn't mean you stink.
[00:30:53] I guess though, but it just sort of suggests you're not bathing, which would mean you're
[00:30:56] like overall human stink is like accumulating.
[00:31:00] Okay.
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[00:34:08] Next move for Caroline, other than voting out Kyle, potentially, do you see any other
[00:34:15] obvious move for her?
[00:34:16] I mean, I kind of imagine the next few votes, and this is purely speculative, so I'm not
[00:34:21] staking my reputation on this, is going to be kind of like a group flow a little bit.
[00:34:27] They've all been a group flow.
[00:34:28] Well, but the last couple have seemed like there was more back and forth, right?
[00:34:34] I feel like next one, it's either going to be Genevieve or Kyle, and probably the one
[00:34:37] after that will be Kyle or Genevieve.
[00:34:39] You know, who's that?
[00:34:39] Like, to me, those seem like so obviously the major targets now.
[00:34:44] And then I think you've got like someone that you've got like at the final six, you've
[00:34:47] got Caroline, Sue, Sam, Rachel, Andy, Teenie, you know, maybe Sam goes there.
[00:34:53] Yeah.
[00:34:54] And then, you know, Sam and Caroline are probably six and five, maybe in that order.
[00:34:58] Well, can we talk about this a little bit?
[00:35:00] I think that there is like some interesting voting blocks that are going on here right
[00:35:05] now.
[00:35:05] Could we say the Gata three is the most important voting block in the game?
[00:35:11] Yeah.
[00:35:12] Sort of surprisingly, since like these three have like no, you know, don't seem to be
[00:35:16] Andy turned on them at the Sierra vote.
[00:35:18] But suddenly, you know, this three could be a group.
[00:35:22] Is Kyle with them?
[00:35:25] Is Kyle with them?
[00:35:28] No, I don't think so.
[00:35:29] Are they even a three?
[00:35:30] Is Rachel doing her own thing?
[00:35:32] Is Andy doing his own thing?
[00:35:33] I think they're probably not.
[00:35:34] My guess is they will probably work together for the next few votes, but only because they're
[00:35:38] kind of like all trying to play the middle, you know, like Sam sort of, I mean, Wounded
[00:35:42] Birds has been like a theme of this season, right?
[00:35:44] From when Gabe kind of called Caroline and Sue that early on.
[00:35:48] And he, you know, he explains that further in your interview podcast with him.
[00:35:51] But he, you know, Sam sort of like looking to create this alliance of the people on the
[00:35:58] bottom, you know, Rachel feeling like she doesn't have a place and be kind of like trying
[00:36:01] to like work from that.
[00:36:02] Like, does anyone have a place?
[00:36:04] Is everybody on the bottom in this game?
[00:36:05] Is there anyone not on the bottom of the game?
[00:36:07] You have eight people that all think they're on the bottom.
[00:36:09] Yeah, I kind of it kind of has that vibe.
[00:36:11] Like Teenie said they're on the bottom.
[00:36:13] Like truly, who does not think they're on the bottom?
[00:36:16] Survivor 47 bottoms up.
[00:36:18] The bottom feeders.
[00:36:20] The Gabe was like the only person who talked consistently about being on top.
[00:36:24] Now he's gone.
[00:36:26] Look at him now.
[00:36:26] Yeah.
[00:36:27] And then Teenie, you said you want to talk about Teenie.
[00:36:30] Teenie, a free agent.
[00:36:32] Yeah.
[00:36:33] Goes where?
[00:36:37] Well, that's where I think like, you know, I can see Teenie working with Rachel and
[00:36:43] Andy and Caroline and, you know, maybe Sue is a part of that to like take out some of
[00:36:47] the people who they do perceive as threatening, which are Kyle and Genevieve now.
[00:36:51] Yeah.
[00:36:53] The question is like, how far does Sam go?
[00:36:55] Right.
[00:36:55] Sam was like the best thing to happen to Sam.
[00:36:58] Was getting Sierra voted out.
[00:37:00] Right.
[00:37:00] Like being perceived as a wounded bird has been like the, and Sam feels like he doesn't
[00:37:06] have any agency in the game, but it's given him like actually like much more longevity
[00:37:11] than he probably otherwise would have had.
[00:37:12] No, we've seen it throughout the history of the show and not just in the new era.
[00:37:16] And I think that there's been this misinterpretation of this.
[00:37:18] Like the greatest thing that can happen to you is your number one ally gets voted out.
[00:37:24] Yeah.
[00:37:25] Often.
[00:37:26] But not if you do it.
[00:37:29] Yeah.
[00:37:29] Like that's what I was going to say.
[00:37:30] Like if you're the one who does it terrible for you because everyone's super suspicious of
[00:37:34] you and then you have someone on the jury who hates you.
[00:37:36] Yes.
[00:37:37] But if it happens, if it happens, that's amazing.
[00:37:40] Yeah.
[00:37:41] I mean, and we've seen the history of Survivor is littered with people.
[00:37:44] Malcolm and Angie.
[00:37:47] For sure.
[00:37:48] But you know, Jeremy and Natalie.
[00:37:52] Yeah.
[00:37:52] Stephen and Jeremy.
[00:37:54] Yeah.
[00:37:54] You know, that people who end up, you know, with their number, even like last season,
[00:38:01] look at Tiffany and Kenzie.
[00:38:03] Yeah.
[00:38:03] That Kenzie thought about taking out Tiffany, ultimately decided not to do it.
[00:38:09] Then everybody else did it without her.
[00:38:13] She goes on the wing.
[00:38:13] Amazing for her.
[00:38:14] It's great for her.
[00:38:15] I mean, she was mad because she didn't get like the credit.
[00:38:16] But like, I truly believe that Kenzie would have lost last season if Tiffany was on the
[00:38:20] jury and like furious at the betrayal.
[00:38:22] Yeah.
[00:38:23] So you get your number one.
[00:38:25] Your number one gets voted out.
[00:38:27] Yeah.
[00:38:27] And then you're less threatening.
[00:38:29] That's the real.
[00:38:30] This is the real strategy.
[00:38:32] Getting your number one voted out, but not getting the blame.
[00:38:34] Not being part of it.
[00:38:35] Now, could you incept people, Stephen?
[00:38:38] Could you sort of like put the.
[00:38:39] Go into their dreams.
[00:38:40] Could you manifest this of like, you know.
[00:38:44] Just like whisper in bed at night.
[00:38:45] But like, but not be part of it.
[00:38:47] Treat these a threat.
[00:38:48] And then you could come back.
[00:38:49] How dare you?
[00:38:50] How dare you?
[00:38:53] How could you?
[00:38:55] Yeah.
[00:38:55] You monsters.
[00:38:57] Why does Rob keep whispering about Matthew von Ertfelder at night?
[00:39:01] Mm hmm.
[00:39:02] Yeah.
[00:39:02] I don't know.
[00:39:04] You tell me.
[00:39:05] Okay.
[00:39:05] I don't know.
[00:39:06] Anyway.
[00:39:07] So teeny.
[00:39:08] I have a feeling you want to talk about the teeny edit.
[00:39:12] Well, is that okay?
[00:39:13] Yeah, I think that's okay.
[00:39:14] Um, I mean, I, I think that teeny, you know, we've talked about this a bunch.
[00:39:18] And I talked about this with Owen last week, just that, you know, for all that teeny
[00:39:23] has accomplished very little in this game, they're getting an amazing edit of consistently
[00:39:27] being shown as strategic, consistently being shown as empathetic, consistently being shown
[00:39:32] as like a big, you know, a part of the decision-making process often like a decisive
[00:39:35] part, even if, even if all was, well, I guess not decisive because always on the
[00:39:39] wrong side.
[00:39:40] Um, not this time, not well, right.
[00:39:43] Not this time, but you know, this episode we saw some, I feel like this was like the
[00:39:47] teeny coming into their own.
[00:39:49] Yes.
[00:39:50] And so do you think that, uh, I do think that we are at the beginning of a teeny run.
[00:39:56] I'd be very surprised if teeny ends up going out.
[00:39:58] But do you, are you feeling like that this culminates in teeny winning survivor 47?
[00:40:03] That is my feeling.
[00:40:04] Now I'm not like all in on teeny because like we were saying, there's a lot of people who
[00:40:08] are viable.
[00:40:09] I wouldn't be surprised if it was Andy.
[00:40:11] I wouldn't be surprised.
[00:40:12] You know, I think Andy, Rachel is, is viable.
[00:40:15] Um, I mean, I think Sam is someone who's I'm still not out on, but I do think from my
[00:40:20] perspective, teeny is the likeliest candidate and Andy's kind of like my runner up, but I think
[00:40:24] Andy is probably a runner up.
[00:40:26] I think Andy, my, my, my final three prediction has been for a while that it's teeny Andy
[00:40:30] and Sue.
[00:40:31] Um, I just think the beginning of Andy and Sue.
[00:40:34] What?
[00:40:35] Oh, no.
[00:40:35] Yeah, exactly.
[00:40:36] Yeah.
[00:40:37] And I think Rachel is going out in fire.
[00:40:38] Um, because one shot was there fire in the glasses?
[00:40:41] There was fire in the glass.
[00:40:42] Okay.
[00:40:43] Yeah.
[00:40:43] Um, but, but I think that, um, that, you know, this is sort of was a big moment for
[00:40:49] teeny both in terms of like getting this sort of revenge arc that's based around getting
[00:40:54] revenge, you know, for Saul, which obviously had to be motivated by Saul's vest.
[00:40:58] You know, like that's like supercharge anybody's feelings about Saul.
[00:41:01] I mean, my, my feelings were supercharged and I'm already really a passionate, um,
[00:41:06] Saul light, Saul acolyte.
[00:41:07] Um, anyway, um, Solomonite.
[00:41:12] Anyway.
[00:41:13] Um, and then we have obviously that, that really powerful, um, expression of teeny's ambivalence
[00:41:19] about their, you know, social status and how that relates to their identity, which was
[00:41:24] like a, like such a beautiful moment.
[00:41:25] Um, and you know, potentially, you know, is, you know, it's not resolved, right?
[00:41:31] Like there's, there's, there's more story there.
[00:41:33] Yeah.
[00:41:33] What'd you think about, um, teeny holding up the burnt bag and take, okay, the burnt
[00:41:39] bag, the burnt bag is a symbol of my, my, my game.
[00:41:45] Um, yeah.
[00:41:46] Would you, did you follow that analogy from the ashes?
[00:41:49] From the, she's feeling like the Phoenix, Phoenix, like the teenics.
[00:41:54] Yeah.
[00:41:55] The teenics.
[00:41:57] Yes.
[00:41:57] Okay.
[00:41:59] Steven, you posted to Twitter, uh, fishy for Saul's vest.
[00:42:03] Oh my gosh.
[00:42:04] What a, holy cow.
[00:42:05] And you, I mean, um, Dalton, you, you know, this was, you missed the question about, you
[00:42:09] know, what about Saul's vest, Rob?
[00:42:11] And you're in your limited interview.
[00:42:12] Dalton, I did ask the question, like, what were you all making about Saul's vest and, and
[00:42:16] gave us a very funny answer to that.
[00:42:17] But like, yes.
[00:42:18] Apparently this again, when, uh, Saul was trying on like Rome's clothes that he left at
[00:42:22] Ponderosa.
[00:42:23] I mean, it's just incredible.
[00:42:25] And like, he looks like just so like, just like exuding, you know, all this, this
[00:42:30] masculine energy.
[00:42:31] Um, just like, look at those muscles and this pecs.
[00:42:34] My gosh.
[00:42:34] Like those arms.
[00:42:35] I mean, truly like I, I posted on, on blue sky last night.
[00:42:38] Like, how do you maintain so much muscle mass?
[00:42:41] And other people have pointed out people like, um, like, um, James Clement, who obviously
[00:42:45] made a tremendous amount of muscle mass.
[00:42:46] Did people say to you, uh, Steven, it's only day 17.
[00:42:49] I know.
[00:42:49] I know there's that aspect too.
[00:42:50] It's like, even so, I mean, it's only five days longer than Rob was on survivor.
[00:42:54] All stars.
[00:42:55] Yeah.
[00:42:55] Yeah.
[00:42:56] That's, that's very funny.
[00:42:57] Um, he's still like, did you look that good coming out of us?
[00:43:00] I didn't look that good starting.
[00:43:05] Yeah.
[00:43:05] Yeah.
[00:43:05] But it's not, it's not day 33.
[00:43:09] If you look at that image of me of that, I took of Saul.
[00:43:12] So like, that's me taking a picture of my TV screen.
[00:43:14] Yeah.
[00:43:15] How are these people, you know, you got like the, the Mike blooms of the world.
[00:43:18] What are they getting these like, these scally, like these, like they got gifts and images.
[00:43:23] Like, what am I doing wrong?
[00:43:25] They got a whole content farm going on at their house.
[00:43:27] I know something is going.
[00:43:28] Cause like, like instant reaction.
[00:43:30] They got like a, a team set up.
[00:43:33] Yeah.
[00:43:33] Okay.
[00:43:34] Um, somebody should do an investigation.
[00:43:36] That was big.
[00:43:37] Yeah.
[00:43:37] Um, so yeah, I do think what's your, what's like, so what's your take on team?
[00:43:43] So I think that teeny, I think is about to go on and like, have like a very impactful
[00:43:48] part of their story.
[00:43:49] I don't think teeny is going to be the winner of the season.
[00:43:52] And I, I wonder if teeny ends up being sort of fallen angel or goes to the final tribal
[00:44:00] council, but doesn't end up winning.
[00:44:02] I'm just not sure that the jury awards team.
[00:44:07] Everybody likes teeny, but does do do these players.
[00:44:12] Um, and again, she, the teeny has some fans on the jury in Sierra in Saul so far.
[00:44:18] Um, Gabe, however, Gabe, that I asked Gabe about, Hey, why did you call Caroline a snake?
[00:44:25] Gabe said, I didn't call Caroline a snake.
[00:44:26] I called teeny a snake.
[00:44:28] But he was saying that's like a little bit of like, you know, he was giving her credit.
[00:44:31] Like you got a little snake in you.
[00:44:32] Like you're playing more of a game than I realized.
[00:44:35] Yeah.
[00:44:35] But, um, if teeny, uh, like, and maybe teeny's big move could be, Hey, I took out Genevieve.
[00:44:43] I slayed the dragon who that from, we were back and forth this whole game of like, whether
[00:44:49] we were never on the same side of these votes.
[00:44:52] Maybe that could be like a teeny's signature, uh, moment in the game and sort of like, okay,
[00:44:59] nobody thought I could do it.
[00:45:01] However, uh, I do feel like that.
[00:45:04] I just don't know if there's enough there for teeny in terms of being a non-factor in
[00:45:08] terms of like how, uh, the game has gone.
[00:45:11] But I think your, your point is right there.
[00:45:13] It's like, you know, I think you, these days you just need to be like the most liked person
[00:45:17] and have like one thing that they can point to to say, this is why we did it.
[00:45:20] So, you know, I mean, look at me, you know, there's no way at the final nine, we would
[00:45:23] have said Marianne is going to win that season, you know?
[00:45:25] Or, I mean, Gabler, he had like one move and like everybody disliked the other two more
[00:45:30] than they like, you know, more than they disliked him.
[00:45:32] Very fair.
[00:45:33] I think that is, that's really teeny's path.
[00:45:36] And I think if teeny is sitting there with Andy and Sue, I think Sue is not going to get
[00:45:40] respect.
[00:45:40] And I think Andy, you know, as much as he seems to be playing a very active game, I think he's
[00:45:45] going to have a lot of dislike from the jury.
[00:45:48] You know, you've got obviously Sierra mayor of Ponderosa who he betrayed, you know, you have
[00:45:52] Saul, you know, he was a Saul secret agents.
[00:45:54] You know, he blew the whole list.
[00:46:01] And now Gabe, like this Gabe, you know, Gabe was talking to Andy and Andy betrayed him.
[00:46:05] So, you know, there's always that danger of being in the person in everybody's ear of
[00:46:10] being that person.
[00:46:11] You know, I think what, what sets team apart from a lot of these players is that they are
[00:46:16] really clear about their loyalties.
[00:46:18] They're really clear about their motivations.
[00:46:20] And I think that's something that when you do get to the end that the jury respects,
[00:46:22] like, Hey, this was the team you were a part of.
[00:46:24] Here are the moves you made.
[00:46:26] Like you stuck to your, your group and you outplayed the people who weren't in your group.
[00:46:30] And I think if you can get to the end with that kind of resume and being well liked, I
[00:46:34] think that's, that's a lot.
[00:46:35] And twice now in the previously on the show has done like a lot of like clarification on
[00:46:42] what Teenie's intentions were and Teenie's reaction to a vote.
[00:46:47] It happened both on the Asia vote where there was like, uh, the previously on was really focused
[00:46:52] on that.
[00:46:53] Uh, Teenie didn't want to go along with the plan to vote out Asia and ended up, uh, writing
[00:46:58] down Saul's name because that, uh, Teenie was too emotionally attached to Asia to be able
[00:47:04] to do that.
[00:47:05] That came as a cleanup in the previously on.
[00:47:08] And then this week's previously on was really all about, uh, Teenie's perspective on the
[00:47:14] Saul blind side.
[00:47:16] Yeah.
[00:47:17] Yeah, exactly.
[00:47:18] Um, and now, but let's talk about Andy too.
[00:47:20] Okay.
[00:47:20] Give me one more teeny thing.
[00:47:21] Oh yeah, please, please.
[00:47:22] You know, I'd love to hear it.
[00:47:23] One more.
[00:47:24] Okay.
[00:47:24] This is not a paid sponsorship by from wicked opening, uh, in theaters nationwide, but
[00:47:32] Teenie came into this game and said that their wardrobe was New Jersey inspired scarecrow.
[00:47:42] And you know what?
[00:47:43] The scarecrow didn't like Steven, the heart fire brain hated five.
[00:47:50] The, the, the, the scarecrow was very scared of fire.
[00:47:54] Did not want to go near the fire.
[00:47:56] Oh, that's the thing.
[00:47:57] I think Teenie is going to win fire.
[00:47:58] I think Teenie is going to beat Rachel in fire.
[00:47:59] That's like, that's, that's what, um, what's the matter?
[00:48:02] Scarecrow afraid of a little fire.
[00:48:04] Yeah.
[00:48:06] You know, I think like maybe like Sue wins the final four takes Andy.
[00:48:10] I don't know.
[00:48:10] This is like, this is really getting like, I like totally.
[00:48:13] Maybe it's like a captain planet thing of like the elements and Teenie is the fire.
[00:48:17] Sue is the earth.
[00:48:20] Yeah.
[00:48:21] Uh, Sue's definitely the earth.
[00:48:22] Um, yeah.
[00:48:23] Um, Rachel's the water.
[00:48:25] And, uh, I guess that makes Andy the, the air wind.
[00:48:31] Yeah.
[00:48:31] The air.
[00:48:32] Okay.
[00:48:32] Uh, what were you gonna say?
[00:48:34] Andy, is that what you're going to?
[00:48:35] Well, a lot of people are also talking about Andy.
[00:48:37] Cause we do see a lot of how Andy is playing the strategic game.
[00:48:39] Yes.
[00:48:39] What are you?
[00:48:40] We're also seeing people who are like, there's something interesting about Andy where it's
[00:48:43] like this combination of playing this really strategic game.
[00:48:47] And if Genevieve had been the one to go out, I was going to give Andy full credit for that
[00:48:50] because I do think he kind of like set the ball in motion there.
[00:48:53] But, um, he said the ball in motion with his tongue.
[00:48:56] Yeah.
[00:48:58] That's right.
[00:48:58] That's right.
[00:48:59] His forked snake-ish tongue is, uh, you know, um, but, but, but sometimes these moments do
[00:49:08] seem a little bit like, oh, like that.
[00:49:09] It was like this moment with like Andy and Sue, which I feel like is really emblematic of Andy's
[00:49:14] game.
[00:49:14] And Andy's like, Sue, you know, you and I, we're the ones like, I want to move forward
[00:49:18] with you in this game.
[00:49:19] And you're like, oh wow.
[00:49:20] What a passion speech.
[00:49:21] Mandy's is like, okay.
[00:49:22] You know, she's like, sure.
[00:49:23] All right, whatever.
[00:49:24] Um, and it's like, is Andy being super strategic or like where, like what's the, or is it like
[00:49:29] sort of like a coach-esque strategy?
[00:49:30] Like is Andy a coach character?
[00:49:32] No, I don't know if Andy is a coach character, but I think Andy is really great in the confessionals.
[00:49:38] And Andy is really great at like talking about the game, talking about his position, making
[00:49:45] metaphor and analogy about it.
[00:49:47] So he, Andy's a great storyteller.
[00:49:49] And so I think that the, you know, editors and the producers have really capitalized on
[00:49:54] that.
[00:49:54] You know, how much, you know, is Andy actually doing?
[00:49:59] I think is up for debate.
[00:50:01] I think that maybe it might even be a situation where Andy could get to the final tribal council
[00:50:07] and lay out like this really great speech and like resume of what he did.
[00:50:12] And the people on the jury might be like, that didn't happen.
[00:50:16] Yeah.
[00:50:17] Right.
[00:50:17] And like, we saw some of those, I think that I actually think that's exactly what happened.
[00:50:21] You know, I think he's going to be like, I was in everybody's ear.
[00:50:23] I was talking to everybody.
[00:50:24] I was the one pulling together these plans from like behind the scenes.
[00:50:26] And everyone's be like, no, you were sort of like that random guy who we all kind of
[00:50:29] like tried to include.
[00:50:30] I mean, that's sort of what happened to me, to be honest with you.
[00:50:32] Like, like, you know, I was like, tried to make that case.
[00:50:34] And everyone was like, were you, was that you?
[00:50:37] And so I do think that, you know, I have a lot of empathy for that.
[00:50:41] And I mean, I really enjoy Andy, like as a, as TV, he's great TV.
[00:50:44] Like, and there is just like a little bit, like because he knows the game so well and
[00:50:48] he is so good at talking about it, but there is that like a little bit of disconnect between
[00:50:52] like his own perception of himself and kind of like what is actually happening.
[00:50:55] But then sometimes he also, he's like very aware of like, of that, you know?
[00:50:59] And so he's also very emotionally vulnerable.
[00:51:00] I mean, like, that's why I kind of see him as a coachish character.
[00:51:03] And I'm not like one-to-one with coach, but like.
[00:51:05] Both have great hair.
[00:51:06] Both have great hair.
[00:51:07] Both are fans of the Buffalo Bills.
[00:51:10] Yeah.
[00:51:10] But coach had that like vulnerability to him that I think Andy has, you know, like
[00:51:14] sort of like there was like both this kind of like grandiosity and this vulnerability.
[00:51:17] Sensitivity, yeah.
[00:51:18] Okay.
[00:51:19] Gabe.
[00:51:19] Is Andy coming back?
[00:51:20] I was going to ask you that.
[00:51:23] So Gabe said, I'll be back in the episode.
[00:51:26] So first of all, just let's just do the checklist on Gabe.
[00:51:29] Gabe.
[00:51:32] I would like, I just don't think he's going to cut it in terms of what a big character.
[00:51:36] If you had asked me after the first episode, I would have said like, I think there's a
[00:51:39] very strong possibility.
[00:51:40] He gets for me the Tevin award of that his best episode of the season was episode one.
[00:51:46] Yeah.
[00:51:47] Oh, that's, that's, you're, you're good at these comparisons.
[00:51:49] That's very good.
[00:51:49] I thought the James Jones thing for him was really good too.
[00:51:52] Okay.
[00:51:52] But I probably think that is Gabe, is Gabe coming back?
[00:51:59] Maybe one day.
[00:52:01] Yeah.
[00:52:01] I just think like the second chances, if that's a season, I think that that's a good spot for
[00:52:06] Gabe.
[00:52:07] Yeah.
[00:52:08] Right.
[00:52:09] And that, especially if it's soon, you know, I think that cause, but, but yeah, he kind
[00:52:13] of almost was under edited.
[00:52:14] Like you said, cause like they didn't really know what to do with him, you know?
[00:52:17] And you had all these kind of like kookier characters.
[00:52:19] Andy.
[00:52:20] Yeah.
[00:52:21] I think Andy is a very viable returning, returning player.
[00:52:24] I think so too.
[00:52:25] Yeah.
[00:52:25] I really do.
[00:52:26] I don't think that Andy will win the season, but I do think that if we were doing a survivor
[00:52:31] 47, a returnee draft, I think Andy might be the number one pick for 47.
[00:52:38] Now what about Andy and John Lovett on a tribe together?
[00:52:41] I think that's a non-zero possibility for, for survivor 50.
[00:52:46] Uh, it would be great to see what, would they be able to mend fences?
[00:52:50] Of course.
[00:52:51] Oh, that's the question.
[00:52:52] That's, that's the, is it a rival season?
[00:52:54] No, just like, let's put, you know, it's like putting, um, you know, I mean, I guess
[00:52:58] they didn't put Spencer and Cass on a tribe.
[00:53:00] It'd be like Francesca and Philip back together.
[00:53:02] Yeah, exactly.
[00:53:03] You put them, like put these two people, you know, get a lot of, that's exactly, that's the
[00:53:09] final three loser and the, the person, the first person out who he was responsible for.
[00:53:14] Yeah.
[00:53:14] That's a, yeah.
[00:53:15] Be fun.
[00:53:16] Yeah.
[00:53:17] Yeah.
[00:53:18] Um, anybody else really popping for you for a potential returnee?
[00:53:23] I mean, you know, there's a lot.
[00:53:25] So just from the whole grass list.
[00:53:27] It goes without saying.
[00:53:28] Yeah.
[00:53:29] I mean, I just don't think, I mean, Sam, you can see it, but like, I just think that's
[00:53:33] a tough spot for Sam.
[00:53:35] Yeah.
[00:53:35] All right.
[00:53:35] How about, let me ask the question this way.
[00:53:37] Who would be the number two pick for the returnee draft?
[00:53:40] Jeff say that, someone said that Jeff said, I hadn't listened to that.
[00:53:43] He's surprised by Saul, by Saul's popularity.
[00:53:45] Like, is it like.
[00:53:47] But also that they said that they thought that Saul, they found Saul to be a little quiet
[00:53:50] on the island.
[00:53:51] Right.
[00:53:51] And that's typically the kiss of death for a returning player.
[00:53:54] But like, will they bring back someone who's beloved by the fan base who was maybe like
[00:53:59] gave them less kind of heat that they wanted in confessionals?
[00:54:04] Again, if it's like, you know, new era, second chances, I think it's more likely.
[00:54:10] But if they're going to come up with a list of like, you know, they're like 20 picks out
[00:54:16] of like 700 people.
[00:54:18] I'm not sure.
[00:54:19] I'm not sure.
[00:54:20] I think that my, if I had to have a, in the draft, I think the second pick for the returnee
[00:54:26] from survivor 47, I think is Genevieve.
[00:54:29] Yeah, I think you're right.
[00:54:31] I think you're exactly right.
[00:54:32] Cause Genevieve was a very fun character.
[00:54:34] She played hard.
[00:54:35] She's got kind of a little bit of like a goofy streak and you know, she is great in
[00:54:40] the confessional.
[00:54:42] Yeah.
[00:54:42] I think that's a really good call.
[00:54:44] I think that's right.
[00:54:45] You know, who knows?
[00:54:47] Like, uh, you know, Genevieve, if she gets to like seventh place, like it feels like,
[00:54:51] okay, that's like a nice spot for a returnee to come back from.
[00:54:55] I'm not out on Rachel.
[00:54:57] I think, I mean like Rachel's like not like, she's not like a lock, like a Carolyn is a
[00:55:00] lock, but like, although I guess Carolyn is not a lock.
[00:55:02] Um, you know, but, um, you know, assuming she doesn't go on the traders, you know, maybe,
[00:55:06] but, um, you know, I feel like Rachel's competitive.
[00:55:09] Okay.
[00:55:11] Steven, I am curious to know, uh, who gets the fishy?
[00:55:14] So that's a tough one.
[00:55:16] Okay.
[00:55:16] It's not an easy season for the fishy.
[00:55:18] No.
[00:55:19] No.
[00:55:19] Last week I gave it to Gabe and like, you know,
[00:55:21] Kiss of death.
[00:55:23] Yeah.
[00:55:23] Truly.
[00:55:23] Apparently.
[00:55:24] Um, I, I mean, I was considering Kyle because we haven't even talked about the shot in the
[00:55:29] dark negotiation.
[00:55:30] Oh yeah.
[00:55:31] Um, where obviously that was Caroline's initial idea, but then Kyle's the one who kind of
[00:55:35] comes up with this offer.
[00:55:36] Like, what do you think about getting rid of the shot in the darks?
[00:55:38] On the other hand, Kyle is probably the person who needs the shot in the dark the most.
[00:55:41] So, um, not necessarily.
[00:55:44] And then, you know, the idea that he kind of sold out Gabe, um, would be, you know, I
[00:55:50] thought was like maybe good for him, but I, I've kind of come around to the other side
[00:55:53] that it's not a great decision for, for Kyle here.
[00:55:57] And I just really wanted to give it to, to the last person who hasn't gotten it, but I
[00:56:00] don't think that's, that's going to work out.
[00:56:01] I don't think that's right.
[00:56:02] So I'm thinking Andy, what do you think?
[00:56:05] Fishy for Andy.
[00:56:07] I don't even think I was thinking Andy for, uh, this vote.
[00:56:11] Um, just cause we saw so much of him, like being in everybody's ear and kind of like spreading
[00:56:16] paranoia.
[00:56:17] Yeah.
[00:56:17] All right.
[00:56:17] Give me some, give me some other options.
[00:56:19] All right.
[00:56:19] So I would say I would put Caroline up for suggestion, although we kind of talked through
[00:56:24] how that maybe it wasn't such a great move for Caroline.
[00:56:28] Um, how about.
[00:56:29] Genevieve dodges the vote.
[00:56:31] Yeah.
[00:56:31] How about Rachel?
[00:56:33] Yeah.
[00:56:33] Why?
[00:56:34] I'm, I'm up.
[00:56:34] I'm open to Rachel.
[00:56:35] So even though last night I was a little bit more like, uh, I think it would probably
[00:56:39] be better for, uh, Rachel to get out Genevieve.
[00:56:44] Uh, she does ultimately like we, we see her sort of like carving out her own.
[00:56:49] Path, uh, sort of like recovering.
[00:56:51] Like she was in kind of a dicey spot after, uh, the, you know, uh, at the beginning of
[00:56:57] the merge, a lot of people were talking about Rachel, especially when she escaped, uh, from
[00:57:02] the safety without power.
[00:57:03] Uh, Rachel was on a lot of people's minds, but I think also Sierra going out of the game
[00:57:08] ends up being a net positive for Rachel.
[00:57:11] She's got the situation going on with Andy.
[00:57:14] She kind of called Sam out for what he did last week.
[00:57:19] Uh, Sam says, Hey, I really want to work with you.
[00:57:22] We get from her, uh, that she is potentially, uh, going to work with Sam, but also going
[00:57:28] to like, uh, be looking out for number one.
[00:57:31] I think she has a lot of options there.
[00:57:33] Uh, she ends up getting Gabe out of the game.
[00:57:37] And so she's kind of like the biggest swing person in the game.
[00:57:41] She really could go anywhere.
[00:57:43] What about Sam?
[00:57:44] Thundercats, uh, 78 has that's interesting.
[00:57:47] Also Sam made moves from the bottom, got what he wanted in the gay boot, sucked it up with
[00:57:51] a shot in the dark rice situation.
[00:57:52] He kind of mended fences with Rachel, although like sort of, you know, after, after last week,
[00:57:58] I would not be opposed to Sam, uh, getting the shot.
[00:58:01] Has, has he gotten a shot, a fishy yet this season?
[00:58:05] Yeah.
[00:58:06] Kyle's the only person who has not gotten a fishy yet, but I think I might be leaning.
[00:58:10] I mean, Sam and Rachel are very, what?
[00:58:12] Sue's gotten a fishy?
[00:58:13] I guess.
[00:58:13] I don't even remember.
[00:58:14] Probably.
[00:58:15] You know, there was one vote boot where she seemed to be the driver.
[00:58:17] Maybe I got, you know, I think so.
[00:58:20] Maybe.
[00:58:20] Yeah.
[00:58:21] People are saying, yeah.
[00:58:22] Um, I think it might be Sam actually.
[00:58:26] Yeah.
[00:58:26] I think like Sam might be.
[00:58:28] Yeah.
[00:58:28] I think Sam, all right.
[00:58:29] Fishy for Sam.
[00:58:30] Well-deserved.
[00:58:31] Yeah.
[00:58:32] Potentially he has Kyle coming over to work with them.
[00:58:36] He's in a good spot.
[00:58:37] Really, uh, bounce back from the bottom.
[00:58:40] Somehow that as we mentioned, like Sierra going out, nobody's really talking about Sam is like
[00:58:44] the biggest threat anymore.
[00:58:46] Yeah.
[00:58:46] Well, that's exactly it.
[00:58:47] I mean, Sam is like, what had all this heat on him?
[00:58:50] His name's not even coming up anymore.
[00:58:51] Yeah.
[00:58:52] And now nobody's talking about it, but he's also like not really in a position to be dangerous
[00:58:55] to people.
[00:58:56] He's not winning immunities.
[00:58:57] He's not, you know, pulling off moves.
[00:58:59] Like what is, what is his, you know, resume?
[00:59:02] And he got to try Kiwi also from joining the box.
[00:59:05] Oh, he got to try Kiwi.
[00:59:06] He made, you know, an informed decision, pineapple over Kiwi.
[00:59:08] That's a, that's a great choice.
[00:59:09] Pineapple over Kiwi.
[00:59:10] Who wouldn't?
[00:59:11] Okay.
[00:59:11] All right.
[00:59:11] Let's take some questions from the listeners and see what they want to know about.
[00:59:17] Okay.
[00:59:18] All right.
[00:59:20] Um, how about, uh, Mel wants to know with all the burning of the amulets, idols and shot
[00:59:25] in the dark.
[00:59:26] Do you think that Jeff will let them go back to regular survivor with no twists next season?
[00:59:29] What are you crazy?
[00:59:30] No, no.
[00:59:31] He's permanently banning this whole cast.
[00:59:33] Were you surprised though, that Jeff took the deal for shots in the dark in exchange for
[00:59:38] the, what I was most surprised until that point, I was like, why are you calling this
[00:59:41] a rice negotiation?
[00:59:42] There's no negotiation happening.
[00:59:44] You know, he's like, this is the rice negotiation and people are like, okay, what about three?
[00:59:48] What about this?
[00:59:48] What about that?
[00:59:49] No, no, no, no.
[00:59:51] Yeah.
[00:59:51] Like where, and, but then the fact, like if you call it a negotiation, there has to be
[00:59:55] some kind of, you know, and that was kind of a cool, I thought that was kind of cool.
[00:59:59] Is it, we didn't talk about it yet.
[01:00:01] Is this a good decision?
[01:00:03] Who is this a good decision for?
[01:00:05] So I've kind of thought it was a good decision for the people that are at the top, uh, specifically
[01:00:09] Gabe.
[01:00:10] I thought he maybe overplayed his hand in terms of like trying to push for it because
[01:00:14] it's really the people that are at the bottom are the people that need the shot in the dark
[01:00:19] the most.
[01:00:20] Um, but in terms, I think Rachel big winner also may be a reason why she could have gotten
[01:00:25] the fishy, uh, because, uh, she doesn't have to pay anything.
[01:00:28] I kind of like that.
[01:00:29] There's some poetic, uh, justice or irony.
[01:00:32] Take your pick that Rachel once upon a time tries to steal rice at a challenge.
[01:00:38] Jeff says, Rachel, get out of here to stop stealing the rice.
[01:00:42] Instead, she was the only person that plays her shot in the dark.
[01:00:45] And then Jeff trades the rice for all the shots in the dark.
[01:00:48] Rachel pays nothing for rice and ultimately comes away with the rice that she coveted.
[01:00:55] Should Rachel get the fishy or the one, the one to lose the least?
[01:00:58] I don't know.
[01:00:58] No, you nailed it.
[01:01:00] We made the decision.
[01:01:01] Okay.
[01:01:01] But I think it's kind of like, uh, net nothing for everybody.
[01:01:07] Like I know Genevieve was like, Oh, I wish I had the shot in the dark, but it's already
[01:01:10] the final nine.
[01:01:11] I think you can only play the shot in the dark until the final seven.
[01:01:14] So there's only two more votes after this that the shot in the dark could even be played
[01:01:19] like the shot in the dark.
[01:01:21] Uh, I know that Caleb got it to hit at the final, uh, 12 or 13, but it feels like more
[01:01:29] of a pre merge thing.
[01:01:30] Yeah.
[01:01:31] That's a good point.
[01:01:33] Um, I don't think it has a lot of utility at this point in the game.
[01:01:36] Well, I thought John's point of, you know, I felt like there's better than a one in six
[01:01:41] change on love.
[01:01:41] It's point.
[01:01:42] Uh, you know, there's better than a one in six chance that socially I can pull this,
[01:01:46] you know, versus having it be the actual one in six chance.
[01:01:49] I thought that was like a good way of thinking about it.
[01:01:50] And it seems like most people do not actually view the odds of the shot in the dark as being,
[01:01:55] you know, outweighing the vote.
[01:01:57] And, you know, Gabe made that point again, Gabe very like smart talker about this game,
[01:02:00] you know, to, to Sam that, you know, your vote is more important to you right now than the
[01:02:06] shot in the dark is.
[01:02:07] Yeah.
[01:02:08] Um, this is a good question from Josh Kettles, the aforementioned Josh Kettles, uh, that,
[01:02:12] uh, he asked about the tribute at the end of the episode, uh, about Barb.
[01:02:17] Uh, and, uh, of course, uh, Barb is a Jeff Probst mom who, uh, very sadly passed away.
[01:02:24] Uh, Josh wants to know, did either of you ever meet or hear Jeff talk about his mother,
[01:02:29] Barb?
[01:02:29] That was such a touching tribute.
[01:02:31] Yeah.
[01:02:31] I never met, I never, um, I never heard Jeff talk about her, but I certainly met her, you
[01:02:35] know, she and, um, Jeff's father would come to the finales and they would sort of mingle
[01:02:39] with like the, I mean, you probably had more extensive.
[01:02:41] Yeah.
[01:02:41] You should probably talk.
[01:02:42] So you two were on an even numbered season.
[01:02:44] Was your finale mother's day?
[01:02:48] Oh, I don't remember that.
[01:02:50] I mean, it probably was around there.
[01:02:51] Yeah.
[01:02:52] So typically the survivor, uh, spring finale was in May.
[01:02:56] Uh, and then it typically ended up being mother's day weekend.
[01:03:00] And, and, uh, I don't remember from the survivor all stars.
[01:03:04] I do remember, uh, meeting Jeff's mom after survivor, the Amazon, and she was really, really
[01:03:12] nice.
[01:03:12] She was very proud of her son.
[01:03:15] She would watch the show every week, as you would expect, if your son was the host of
[01:03:19] survivor, she was, she was really, she was really into it.
[01:03:23] And, you know, uh, you know, I thought that was a very, uh, nice tribute at the end of
[01:03:27] the episode.
[01:03:28] Yeah.
[01:03:28] Like to tell the next adventure I thought, and they were just such lovely.
[01:03:31] I mean, I remember, you know, Jeff was, you know, when I was on was so intimidating and
[01:03:36] aloof, um, not aloof, but like, you know, he, he wasn't like, you know, he wasn't hanging
[01:03:40] out with us.
[01:03:41] Um, so, but, but, but, you know, and, and they were like, they were there and like, you know,
[01:03:45] to us, they were like celebrities cause they were Jeff's parents, but they were just like,
[01:03:48] so like, like the nicest people, like really happy and eager to, to like talk to all of
[01:03:54] the contestants, like so like kind and, and, and down to earth seeming.
[01:03:57] And, you know, I had only a very few limited, uh, interactions with them, but they were
[01:04:01] all absolutely lovely and just like so positive and wonderful.
[01:04:04] Okay.
[01:04:05] Let's, uh, take another question.
[01:04:08] And Brooklyn Zed asks on blue sky.
[01:04:12] Do you think that Andy's day three meltdown is the social equivalent of Tyson injuring his
[01:04:19] arm and blood versus water?
[01:04:21] Yeah, that's a good question.
[01:04:24] I, uh, don't think it's the same because I think that, uh, people did not look at Andy
[01:04:30] as like, Oh my God, like what a gifted social player.
[01:04:35] I'm trying to think of like, you know, um, you know who the girl, like, I don't know if
[01:04:41] like Parvati is back in like a returning player season and has like this like epic meltdown where
[01:04:46] it's like, Ooh, like socially that was a, that was a kind of a faux pas from Parv, uh, where
[01:04:52] that that's kind of like what it was for Tyson.
[01:04:55] You had Boston Rob getting some crybabyitis.
[01:04:57] Crybabyitis certainly like that, you know, ended up, uh, being a good thing for him ultimately.
[01:05:02] But for Tyson, I think that there was some concern about like, Oh, Tyson could go on a run and
[01:05:07] end up winning these challenges.
[01:05:08] And then it was like his superpower was taken from him.
[01:05:11] I don't think that Andy was looked at as like this, uh, you know, uh, super powered, uh,
[01:05:17] social player.
[01:05:18] Yeah.
[01:05:18] And I think conversely, it's sort of like, you know, in terms of like, we talked, you
[01:05:22] talked a lot a little bit last season about like, kind of like moving between tiers.
[01:05:25] And I think it pushed him down a tier into that sort of like untouchable category where,
[01:05:29] you know, you, even the things he does do, he might not get credit for because he's already
[01:05:34] like preconceived to be, you know, like, um, yeah.
[01:05:39] Well, yeah, I think that there, there is something there.
[01:05:41] Of like that.
[01:05:43] Did it make it sort of like, uh, disqualifying for him of like, okay, we're not worried about
[01:05:48] Andy because he has had this moment.
[01:05:51] He's not a serious person in terms of being a threat.
[01:05:54] Right.
[01:05:54] We're not worried about him.
[01:05:56] And then he has 23 days to potentially do damage control and fix it.
[01:06:01] Right.
[01:06:02] So, but he would really have to, you know, prove, I think he would have to have his fingerprints
[01:06:06] all over like a few moves.
[01:06:08] And I think at this point, I mean, he does kind of have that Sierra blind side, which,
[01:06:12] you know, I mean, there's, I think of Gabler all the time with Andy because like, you know,
[01:06:16] Gabler pre preseason was like in the palm fronds, like much crazier than what Andy did.
[01:06:21] I will never get over that.
[01:06:22] Um, but, and, and then Andy's responsible for that, that, um, that first juror vote, you
[01:06:28] know, just like, I guess, uh, Ellie was a pre-merger, uh, pre-jury, but, um, so just, you know,
[01:06:32] but in, in the same, same sort of timing as Gabler's, um, and now Andy's hiding in plain
[01:06:36] sight.
[01:06:37] So I do think there's some Gabler upside for, for Andy.
[01:06:40] I'm not out on that.
[01:06:40] It'll be really interesting to see if Andy gets to the final tribal council and what the
[01:06:45] response to Andy in a final tribal council would end up being.
[01:06:48] If, if, if we end up looking back at the season and if Andy is the zero vote finalist at the
[01:06:54] end of the season that we look back and say, yeah, that the meltdown on the mat was ultimately
[01:07:01] disqualifying and Andy was drawing dead from day three and we had no idea.
[01:07:05] Or if he's able to pivot off of that story and it does have that Gabler upside that you're
[01:07:12] talking about.
[01:07:12] Yeah.
[01:07:13] Yeah.
[01:07:13] And I think it's the former to be honest with you, but I would not be shocked by the
[01:07:16] latter.
[01:07:17] Okay.
[01:07:18] All right.
[01:07:18] How about, uh, would it have been a good move for Genevieve and the Tukus to target
[01:07:22] Rachel?
[01:07:23] We know that Caroline and Jen are onto Rachel as a threat and Kyle, uh, would keep, uh,
[01:07:28] Gabe Genevieve as a shield.
[01:07:30] This is a good, this is a good point.
[01:07:31] And this is something you asked Gabe too, in your interview, you know, why not find a consensus
[01:07:35] target?
[01:07:36] You know, if the Tukus can work with Genevieve, like, wouldn't that be something?
[01:07:39] Right.
[01:07:39] And for Genevieve, why not?
[01:07:41] I mean, uh, you know, to be potentially to the fifth wheel of Tuku and potentially go,
[01:07:47] uh, go with them.
[01:07:48] I mean, if you're the Tuku four, if you're Gabe, anything just to get through this vote.
[01:07:52] So, you know, why, why not go along with them?
[01:07:55] Now what, um, they did not know was that Caroline and Kyle had already jumped ship.
[01:08:00] Um, so maybe, uh, that would not have been possible, but I think if you're Genevieve,
[01:08:04] I think that that would be a good, uh, worthwhile move to explore.
[01:08:07] Yeah.
[01:08:08] Yeah.
[01:08:08] I think, I think that would have been great.
[01:08:09] I mean, they're great for all those parties, you know, like, and so much of what happens
[01:08:12] in, um, new era survivor is determined just by how little time they have enough for anything.
[01:08:17] For Genevieve, uh, if she survives this vote voting with the Tuku four, like it is not that
[01:08:23] she's going to be the next target.
[01:08:25] The people, the other three people that are left in the game are going to still be trying
[01:08:29] to figure out, well, how do we break off the Tuku?
[01:08:31] Yeah.
[01:08:32] I mean, I thought it was interesting.
[01:08:33] Gabe was saying we were all kind of like sitting around and nobody was talking to each other.
[01:08:37] Like, I do think like, again, like just like the logistics of being in this place determined
[01:08:41] so much of it.
[01:08:42] It's like, you're all in the shelter.
[01:08:43] You don't have much time left.
[01:08:45] The sun is setting, you know, that determines what happens on the show.
[01:08:49] They just did not, you know, if you had like a week and, you know, limitless time in space.
[01:08:53] And if it was like a digital game, like maybe different things would happen, but you know,
[01:08:57] the constraints, it's like tennis, the constraints determine, you know, what strategy.
[01:09:01] I also wonder, this was a two day cycle.
[01:09:03] I'm always fascinated with like, this was one day, this was two day.
[01:09:06] This was a two day cycle.
[01:09:08] I think that coming on the heels of a bunch of one day cycles, was this almost like too
[01:09:12] much time now for the players that they had like, uh, like, all right, well, it's
[01:09:15] like we can go to tribal now.
[01:09:17] I think we're ready.
[01:09:18] It's either going to be Gabe or Genevieve.
[01:09:19] Um, yeah, the, uh, exactly.
[01:09:22] It's like they've, they, uh, right.
[01:09:24] They're too efficient.
[01:09:25] Yeah.
[01:09:26] Okay.
[01:09:26] Mel Hooker wants to know, does, how much does Kyle remind Steven to JT?
[01:09:30] He's giving major likable winner vibes, but has no fish back to help him.
[01:09:35] I don't know.
[01:09:36] I mean, like JT was super sharky.
[01:09:37] You know, I do appreciate like, you know, everybody who's said over the years that I
[01:09:41] was the real strategic brain there.
[01:09:43] It's not even, it's not true.
[01:09:44] Like JT was extremely strategic, you know, great at like working people.
[01:09:48] I think, you know, Kyle has a lot more sort of like naivete to him.
[01:09:52] Um, you know, and a little bit more innocence where like, you don't really get the sense
[01:09:55] that he's like working all the angles and the way that JT truly was.
[01:09:59] Okay.
[01:10:01] Let me see if there's anything else.
[01:10:03] Uh, George wants to know, uh, how did the season compare to alliances versus voting
[01:10:07] blocks?
[01:10:07] So what this group is doing, do you have a distinction?
[01:10:10] Yeah.
[01:10:11] Well, it honestly doesn't even feel like voting blocks, you know, it's just like this group
[01:10:14] for this, you know, I mean, the closest we had to an alliance is that Tuku four and,
[01:10:18] uh, you know, um, they all hated Joe or at least Sue hated Kyle.
[01:10:23] Um, you know, it wasn't even clear that they were necessarily like voting in sync so much
[01:10:27] as just that there was always like a different, you know, they were split for a bunch of times.
[01:10:30] There was like a bigger target out there.
[01:10:31] Um, and so it does like feel like the Alliance, the Alliance thing is not happening so much.
[01:10:36] We've seen the best, the best and most successful people are the ones who work together in tight
[01:10:40] alliances.
[01:10:41] Like just do it, just stick with an alliance.
[01:10:43] It's the best strategy for survivor.
[01:10:45] It's been proven out over 47 seasons, but not too big of an alliance though.
[01:10:50] Yeah.
[01:10:50] Three people, three people Alliance, just stick with the plan.
[01:10:53] Okay.
[01:10:54] All right.
[01:10:55] I'll give you one last question.
[01:10:56] Chris Lambert says, is it actually a disadvantage to win this reward?
[01:10:59] Only three people versus six back at camp in this instance.
[01:11:03] I was listening to a Tyson's podcast, uh, this afternoon.
[01:11:06] He, and he was talking to Kelly Nelbandian and, uh, he was talking about how that maybe
[01:11:11] he might want to throw this challenge to be part of the six that goes back to camp.
[01:11:15] It's so hard to like, I mean, it's so hard to throw a reward.
[01:11:20] You know, you're just so hungry.
[01:11:22] And like, that's where like, I don't know, a lot more strategy happens on the rewards
[01:11:25] than does on the going back at camp.
[01:11:27] Cause you just have this whole like winter vibe.
[01:11:28] You get food and get the powers you for the immunity.
[01:11:31] I don't know.
[01:11:32] I don't think I could ever, I mean, in fairness, the plan that, that got executed at tribal
[01:11:38] council was the plan that was hatched on the reward challenge.
[01:11:40] That's that.
[01:11:41] That's right.
[01:11:41] I mean, like Tyson probably would have a whole stash of coconuts to go back to.
[01:11:45] I would not have that stash.
[01:11:47] So, um, I would probably, I, I, I, I had a, I was well fed greed and hunger would just
[01:11:51] not be able to, I, I didn't have any problem throwing immunity challenges, the reward
[01:11:54] challenges.
[01:11:58] I mean, I wanted to throw more than I could, um, you know, they're the, I mean, I don't
[01:12:02] know how specific you want to get here.
[01:12:04] In token sheets or second chances?
[01:12:05] Second chances.
[01:12:06] The eating challenge.
[01:12:07] Um, I wanted to throw, but it's basically, it's really hard to throw an eating challenge.
[01:12:11] But that was, uh, in the pre-merge, right?
[01:12:13] Yeah.
[01:12:14] But the dynamics.
[01:12:15] Joe.
[01:12:16] Joe.
[01:12:16] Joe.
[01:12:16] And it would have been so good because Kelly had her idol.
[01:12:18] Everyone would have thought it was Kelly.
[01:12:20] Um, she probably would have played her idol.
[01:12:21] She was definitely not playing it for Joe and we would have got Joe and flush Kelly's
[01:12:24] idol.
[01:12:24] Oh my God.
[01:12:25] Oh.
[01:12:25] And that's one of those, like what might've been moments for me in survivor.
[01:12:28] Cause like, but like it was an eating, how can you throw an eating challenge?
[01:12:31] It's like impossible.
[01:12:32] I mean, I could have eaten very slowly, but there were a few examples where like the other
[01:12:35] group was just like, like totally screwing it.
[01:12:37] So I was like looking to see if there was any, if it had been down to me, the final point
[01:12:41] was mine.
[01:12:41] I would have thrown it.
[01:12:42] Okay.
[01:12:42] Yeah.
[01:12:43] Uh, it would have been like, uh, survivor China when, uh, James is trying to, uh, throw
[01:12:48] the challenge to lunch lady, Denise.
[01:12:51] And like fail and camp.
[01:12:53] And then he's finally like, okay, I'll eat the balloon.
[01:12:55] Couldn't, couldn't be done.
[01:12:57] All right.
[01:12:58] Steven, uh, what's coming up for you?
[01:13:02] I don't know.
[01:13:04] Nothing.
[01:13:05] You know, I gotta say, Rob, I'm a little, it's a little, you know,
[01:13:08] I am really enjoying blue sky and it's really fun to like live, live eat over there.
[01:13:12] Um, and it's like that nice kind of like, I have a club you're at atmosphere.
[01:13:16] I'm kind of bummed that, you know, the, the group is fractured and that there's still
[01:13:19] people on Twitter.
[01:13:21] There's people like, what do you want to have happen?
[01:13:23] You want everybody to come back into Twitter?
[01:13:25] I want everyone to be together wherever it is, you know, and this is how I've been, uh,
[01:13:31] describing it because, um, I think that Twitter is, uh, still the ocean.
[01:13:36] I think that that is sort of like where blue skies, the captain.
[01:13:40] No, not the captain.
[01:13:42] Uh, but I think that blue, that, uh, blue sky is a little bit more like the group chat.
[01:13:47] Like, I think that there's probably going to be like more like a conversation, especially
[01:13:51] around, uh, this thing of ours and what we do.
[01:13:54] Like, I think there's going to be like more like, uh, feedback about the shows and, and
[01:13:58] like people like, uh, telling us what they think and us being able to comment back.
[01:14:03] I think that's going to happen more on blue sky.
[01:14:05] Uh, but I do feel like that, uh, that Twitter is still the place where you're going for,
[01:14:12] you know, Hey, uh, this thing is happening.
[01:14:15] This is, you know, where you're getting some information from.
[01:14:18] And then, uh, it's a little bit more of the, okay, let's go into the private meeting room
[01:14:23] a little bit more, the public private meeting room.
[01:14:25] But I liked having those conversations like in sync, you know, with like, you know, the
[01:14:29] people that I was corresponding with all the time, you know, Dr. Amanda and Josh Kettles
[01:14:33] and like, you know, that, you know, Heather, um, and then, and then also like the total
[01:14:38] randoms whose names are just a string of consonants, you know, like, and then getting like, it
[01:14:42] was all happening in the same place.
[01:14:43] And I liked that.
[01:14:43] I mean, also like not for nothing, but on Twitter, I had like 65,000 followers on blue
[01:14:48] sky.
[01:14:48] Like I barely have more followers than David Bloomberg.
[01:14:51] You know how terrible that feels.
[01:14:52] It's humiliating.
[01:14:53] It's humiliating.
[01:14:54] Yeah.
[01:14:55] Yeah.
[01:14:56] Okay.
[01:14:56] Well, you can find Stephen Fishback on blue sky at stephenfishback.bksy.app.
[01:15:05] Yeah, that's right.
[01:15:07] I'm there.
[01:15:09] Yeah.
[01:15:10] It rolls up the tongue.
[01:15:11] Yeah.
[01:15:11] Yeah.
[01:15:12] Yeah.
[01:15:12] Uh, and you, your Rob's there too.
[01:15:14] There was like some question about it, whether it was the real Rob or not.
[01:15:16] Yeah.
[01:15:17] You know what I had?
[01:15:18] Um, and actually one of the best features about blue sky and Josh Kettles, uh, he's like
[01:15:22] Beetlejuice.
[01:15:23] Now he has to show up, uh, that he, the, he has been running a starter pack, uh, for,
[01:15:28] uh, different things.
[01:15:29] Chappelle had created one also, but it's actually like the one, uh, cool feature that they have
[01:15:34] over Twitter of that.
[01:15:36] You could just go to blue sky and then here's like a list of things and you could just follow,
[01:15:41] uh, them all where Twitter does not have, uh, that same kind of functionality.
[01:15:46] So, but what I would, I was worried about was that I joined and then I had not followed
[01:15:52] people.
[01:15:52] I didn't want people to be like, Oh, he followed this person, but didn't follow me.
[01:15:56] Yeah.
[01:15:56] That's not, well, that's the other thing.
[01:15:58] Like, because like, you don't really see, it's so hard to like see who's following you.
[01:16:00] It's got a list and they've got all the, like that blue sky, that whatever.
[01:16:03] Like I, I'm sure there are people who are, who I'm not following who I used to follow.
[01:16:07] And so, you know, holler at me.
[01:16:08] So yeah, give us some grace.
[01:16:10] It's probably an oversight if we're not following somebody who's very important.
[01:16:15] Yeah.
[01:16:16] Okay.
[01:16:17] All right.
[01:16:17] So, uh, that's gonna do it for the know-it-alls be on the lookout for my interview with Carolyn
[01:16:21] coming up tomorrow.
[01:16:23] Uh, very fun one-on-one with Carolyn, uh, very much looking forward to that.
[01:16:28] Then also club condo is coming back on Monday.
[01:16:31] I believe a Brandon Donlan is scheduled to join, uh, Chappelle and I for a fun club condo.
[01:16:37] And if you missed it, check out my interview with Q and everything else here in our survivor
[01:16:41] podcast feed at we know survivor.com.
[01:16:44] Thank you so much.
[01:16:44] Take care of everybody.
[01:16:45] A good one.
[01:16:46] Bye.
[01:16:47] Bye.
[01:16:47] Bye.