Know-It-Alls Ep 9 | Survivor 46

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[00:00:05] The smartest guys around

[00:00:09] are about to break it down

[00:00:12] like they'd won the game a million times

[00:00:19] Well, actually they didn't really win the game at all

[00:00:24] Survivor Know-It-All

[00:00:30] Survivor Know-It-All

[00:00:39] Steve and Rob went out and down

[00:00:42] Got the game all figured out

[00:00:45] They know it all

[00:00:51] Yes, that's right!

[00:00:53] We're back again

[00:00:55] Episode number nine here of Survivor 46

[00:00:59] Survivor Know-It-All

[00:01:01] Rob Cesternino back here with the knowingest Know-It-All

[00:01:03] Steve and Fishback

[00:01:05] Do I still have that title, Rob?

[00:01:07] I think so. I think it's official. You have the trophy, right?

[00:01:09] Did you lose it in one of your moves?

[00:01:11] I do think I don't have that trophy. I think that trophy is gone

[00:01:14] What are you doing?

[00:01:16] You just asked me, you know, I answered honestly

[00:01:18] Now you're gonna make fun of me? You put it into the world

[00:01:20] I thought it was a treasured...

[00:01:22] I mean, first off, you brought it into the Know-It-All's canon

[00:01:27] Yeah

[00:01:29] Yeah, they don't see it around the room, so I'm guessing it's gone

[00:01:32] You see these shells behind me? I don't lose anything

[00:01:35] I've got every single thing that any random person has ever handed me

[00:01:40] At any of these live shows

[00:01:42] Some is still here

[00:01:44] Listen, I got books on my shells

[00:01:46] I'm a man of culture and taste

[00:01:48] Very few books I have

[00:01:50] Rob, I need to talk to you about something

[00:01:52] So much of last episode, you were just very wrong

[00:01:56] You spent a lot of the time positing this whole nonsense theory about how he was all strategy

[00:02:05] That brilliant mastermind plan to flush the idol and Tiffany and blah, blah, blah

[00:02:10] And it was so wrong-headed that I actually went ahead

[00:02:14] And got someone else to tell you how wrong-headed it was

[00:02:18] Can I share?

[00:02:19] Yeah

[00:02:20] I'm a prop comedian. I'm like Jeff

[00:02:22] Hey Rob, I heard about it

[00:02:24] Can you hear?

[00:02:25] Yeah, hold it right, hold it off for the microphone

[00:02:28] Who's this?

[00:02:29] Assessments about what you think happened

[00:02:32] Let me tell you something

[00:02:34] Let me just tell you somebody

[00:02:36] The second you opened your mouth

[00:02:38] And started to make an assessment

[00:02:40] On what you think I did

[00:02:43] Big mistake

[00:02:45] You said a cut

[00:02:47] Wait, is that a cameo from Q?

[00:02:49] It's a cameo from Q

[00:02:51] I made a big mistake to say that he wasn't quitting

[00:02:54] Big mistake, Rob

[00:02:56] You gotta hold it right up to the microphone

[00:02:59] I would love to hear it

[00:03:01] I'm gonna post it online

[00:03:03] And then we'll watch it together

[00:03:05] Hold on, so you bought a cameo from Q

[00:03:08] To tell Q that he know that this is what you were asking for?

[00:03:13] I said that I had a podcast, survivor podcast

[00:03:17] That I do with my friend Rob

[00:03:19] And you were very wrong in judging his motivations last week

[00:03:26] And I was right

[00:03:27] And I wanted him to tell you what a big mistake you made

[00:03:29] Now I'm gonna post the whole thing online

[00:03:31] You can be the judge if he knows who you are

[00:03:33] That's the mystery of this

[00:03:35] Very fair, very fair

[00:03:37] Like Jeff, I gotta own that

[00:03:40] I thought that Q

[00:03:42] And I do have the motivations

[00:03:44] Of what really happened from the exit interviews

[00:03:47] I think a little bit more clearly today

[00:03:49] And we can talk about that

[00:03:50] But I was wrong

[00:03:51] I thought that Q had some big master stroke

[00:03:55] That he was trying to execute

[00:03:57] I was wrong on that

[00:03:59] I concede

[00:04:01] But I'll raise you

[00:04:03] Where you were wrong last week, Steven

[00:04:05] Oh no, I don't like to hear that

[00:04:06] I don't like to hear that

[00:04:07] Oh no

[00:04:08] I, oh gosh

[00:04:09] I liked him the more you were wrong

[00:04:11] In our hunter-off

[00:04:13] Yeah

[00:04:15] I said, oh boy, I'm out on Hunter

[00:04:19] Winning this thing

[00:04:21] You said no

[00:04:22] Hunter's still good

[00:04:24] I did say though

[00:04:25] I did say that I thought there was a chance

[00:04:27] That Hunter would be out this week

[00:04:29] Because I thought there was a chance

[00:04:30] That the blowback would hit Hunter

[00:04:32] So partial credit?

[00:04:34] No, no partial credit

[00:04:37] Okay, all right

[00:04:38] So we'll talk about it all

[00:04:39] I actually, I did have a nice chat with Hunter

[00:04:42] I thought he's a pretty nice guy

[00:04:44] You know, I really, nice talking to him

[00:04:47] He did want me to pass along

[00:04:49] Please be sure to say hi to Steven for me

[00:04:51] Oh really?

[00:04:52] Yes

[00:04:53] And that, did he feel bad?

[00:04:55] Well, I hope he's not listening

[00:04:56] Because now I have to like

[00:04:57] I didn't get the sense that he's been

[00:04:58] Like keeping up with the podcast

[00:05:00] But you know

[00:05:01] Yeah

[00:05:02] You know, he certainly is a big fan

[00:05:04] Of the Survivor Token genes

[00:05:06] Yeah

[00:05:08] How nice, okay good, good

[00:05:10] I mean, he's gotta know that I'm like

[00:05:11] I've been in his, you know

[00:05:13] It's hard for me with these

[00:05:14] You know, these Southern boys

[00:05:16] Southern athletic boys

[00:05:18] You know, I just like

[00:05:19] It's just like, touches something

[00:05:21] I'm trying to post this thing to Twitter right now

[00:05:23] So that someone over there

[00:05:24] On your end of things

[00:05:25] Can actually like do a good, you know

[00:05:30] But it's just what you want to say

[00:05:31] To Sam and he can work on that while we podcast

[00:05:34] I'm uploading the link

[00:05:36] Okay, all right

[00:05:37] Well let me then set up

[00:05:38] What's been going on

[00:05:39] I had an exit interview with Hunter

[00:05:41] I thought it was very good

[00:05:42] He really dropped a lot of information on us

[00:05:45] I actually listened

[00:05:47] I did the exit interview with him

[00:05:49] And then I had to listen to it again

[00:05:51] After to make sure I got everything

[00:05:54] That he was saying

[00:05:55] Because he came in hot

[00:05:56] He was really

[00:05:57] He had a lot to try to explain

[00:05:59] And he really gave us a lot of information

[00:06:02] It was dense

[00:06:04] I went back

[00:06:05] Listened to it again

[00:06:06] I also have been listening back to

[00:06:09] Dalton's interviews

[00:06:10] And Mike Bloom's interviews

[00:06:12] And so I really wanted to make sure

[00:06:13] I was getting everything that Hunter

[00:06:15] Had to say about going out of the game

[00:06:18] So I can talk quite a bit about that

[00:06:22] I also, Wednesday night

[00:06:24] Cassidy Clark joined me

[00:06:25] Fun podcast there after the episode

[00:06:27] And we talked it through

[00:06:28] Something that I believe I was wrong

[00:06:30] About last night

[00:06:31] Steven, I would love to get your opinion on

[00:06:33] I speculated

[00:06:35] Was this a vote split?

[00:06:37] Was this one big group of people

[00:06:39] That were like, hey

[00:06:41] Let's put four votes on Q

[00:06:43] Four votes on Hunter

[00:06:45] He's gonna play his idol

[00:06:46] We're gonna flush his idol

[00:06:47] If he plays it, good

[00:06:49] Q will go home

[00:06:50] If not, Hunter will go home

[00:06:52] I got the sense from talking to Hunter

[00:06:53] That was not the case

[00:06:54] That is how I read the situation

[00:06:57] I'm very curious to hear the counter argument

[00:06:59] Because even I read Mike Bloom's interview

[00:07:01] I haven't had a chance yet to listen to yours

[00:07:03] Even Hunter's explanation

[00:07:05] To me still sounded like it was a vote split

[00:07:07] I believe, because all the people who are telling

[00:07:10] Hunter, oh no, I'm voting for Q

[00:07:13] I'm voting for Q

[00:07:14] They were voting for Q

[00:07:16] A new Hunter

[00:07:17] If he didn't play

[00:07:18] You know that's

[00:07:20] Hold on

[00:07:22] Steven has got a little choppy here

[00:07:25] For a second

[00:07:26] Can you make that last point again?

[00:07:28] I still think that that is the case

[00:07:31] I believe that

[00:07:34] Sorry, I still think that

[00:07:36] Even with Hunter's explanation

[00:07:38] Of the KENZI is telling him

[00:07:41] Oh, I'm voting for Q

[00:07:42] Steven is telling him I'm voting for Q

[00:07:43] They're speaking sincerely

[00:07:45] But they are also gaslighting him

[00:07:47] We're not gaslighting him, they're lying to him

[00:07:49] They're also, because they

[00:07:52] I believe they all knew that it was a vote split

[00:07:54] Is the chop gone?

[00:07:56] A little bit

[00:07:58] Still there

[00:08:00] I think you're okay

[00:08:02] I think I can hardwire

[00:08:04] I'm listening

[00:08:06] You want to listen to Q? Let's see what Q had to say

[00:08:09] It's two and a half minutes

[00:08:10] I think we probably only want the first minute

[00:08:12] Or so

[00:08:13] Then it gets personal

[00:08:14] It's all there for those who want it

[00:08:15] Alright, let's see

[00:08:16] What Q had to say on cameo

[00:08:19] Hey Rob, I heard about the little podcast

[00:08:22] Little podcast

[00:08:23] That you go on there

[00:08:25] And you make assessments

[00:08:27] About what you think happened

[00:08:29] Let me tell you something

[00:08:30] Let me just tell you somebody

[00:08:32] The second you opened your mouth

[00:08:34] And started to make an assessment

[00:08:36] On what you think I did

[00:08:39] Big mistake

[00:08:42] You shouldn't have done that

[00:08:44] And now what I'm going to have to do is

[00:08:46] I'm going to have to show you

[00:08:47] Why you don't go online

[00:08:49] Or on a podcast

[00:08:51] And try to predict me

[00:08:52] I'm coming to your podcast

[00:08:54] And I'm going to take your job

[00:08:56] You're out of a job now buddy

[00:08:58] You have to go find something else

[00:09:00] The podcast that you once knew and had

[00:09:02] And loved is now mine

[00:09:04] And you're going to be kicked to the curve

[00:09:06] Why? Because Q is going to show up

[00:09:08] And show out

[00:09:09] And your other hosts

[00:09:10] Will want to kick you out

[00:09:12] What? Let me tell you something

[00:09:13] A Q from Q

[00:09:15] Turn him off

[00:09:16] Take it off my screen

[00:09:18] Take him off

[00:09:19] Sam, call my lawyer

[00:09:21] Yeah

[00:09:22] You're out

[00:09:23] You're out Rob

[00:09:24] I'm out

[00:09:25] Yeah, sorry buddy

[00:09:27] So he does say at one point later in the thing

[00:09:29] Why is it there are so many Rob's who have podcasts?

[00:09:32] So I do think like he's aware that you

[00:09:34] There's no reason for him to know

[00:09:36] That like this cameo from a guy named Stephen

[00:09:38] You know, was

[00:09:40] About Rob Cesternino's podcast

[00:09:43] I just had my co-host Rob

[00:09:47] I said he had a plan

[00:09:49] Like I thought wrong

[00:09:51] Yeah, big mistake Rob

[00:09:53] Big mistake

[00:09:55] Made a mistake

[00:09:56] Alright, so

[00:09:58] There you go

[00:09:59] So

[00:10:00] I mean so much to

[00:10:02] Pick up from

[00:10:04] With all of that

[00:10:06] Yeah, as far as the vote split goes

[00:10:07] I mean according to Hunter

[00:10:09] He felt like that

[00:10:11] Kenzie and him were good

[00:10:13] He did not

[00:10:15] His take away was that

[00:10:16] Kenzie was not part of

[00:10:18] Trying to

[00:10:20] Take him out with this vote split

[00:10:22] I kind of read it as like

[00:10:24] Eric Reichenbach 2.0

[00:10:26] That Venus was in on it

[00:10:27] And Tiffany was in

[00:10:28] Everybody was in on it

[00:10:30] But it really sounds like

[00:10:32] That according to Hunter

[00:10:34] He felt like that no

[00:10:36] He had Liz

[00:10:38] He had Kenzie

[00:10:40] He thought that Venus

[00:10:42] Was aligned with him

[00:10:44] And he felt like that the beef between Tiffany

[00:10:46] And Q was so real

[00:10:48] That this was personal

[00:10:50] And he felt like he could have got through this vote

[00:10:53] Without having to play his idol

[00:10:55] And thought that it was going to

[00:10:57] He had this group that was going to go up against

[00:10:59] The three Seagas next

[00:11:01] Yeah, so here's

[00:11:03] So I like

[00:11:05] We saw in the episode you know Hunter

[00:11:07] Goes and tells Venus

[00:11:08] Who ends up voting for Q

[00:11:10] Right like that he's about his idol

[00:11:12] Venus runs back and tells the whole group

[00:11:14] Like I still subscribe to the vote

[00:11:16] The vote split theory

[00:11:17] Like maybe that's wrong

[00:11:19] But like I don't

[00:11:21] I just don't buy

[00:11:23] You know allegedly Liz was left out of the vote

[00:11:25] Like I don't buy that Kenzie didn't know where the votes were going

[00:11:27] Like Tiffany and Kenzie voted separately

[00:11:29] Now of course we know that Kenzie was potentially targeting Tiffany

[00:11:31] But and for Tiffany not to vote Q

[00:11:34] After so vigorously saying

[00:11:36] I want you know throughout the whole episode

[00:11:38] I want to vote Q I'm voting for you

[00:11:40] And then you have a tribal council where she's like

[00:11:42] For it not to be all part

[00:11:44] Of a master plan

[00:11:46] Where they had the votes like very

[00:11:48] Tightly locked up

[00:11:50] Either Q or Hunter going on

[00:11:51] I just like have trouble believing that

[00:11:53] And maybe I'm wrong

[00:11:55] We know Hunter was wrong

[00:11:56] I mean let's talk like

[00:11:58] Very bad decision from Hunter for sure

[00:12:00] Not to play his idol there

[00:12:02] This argument that he has where

[00:12:04] Oh I thought maybe I was only getting at three votes

[00:12:06] And like listening to tribal

[00:12:08] I thought I could count the votes

[00:12:10] And it was all going to be

[00:12:12] You know big mistake

[00:12:14] You know when you're that close

[00:12:16] Made a mistake

[00:12:18] And the numbers are that close

[00:12:20] And you know it's like

[00:12:22] I know I'm getting at least three votes

[00:12:24] And I'm hoping I don't get the fourth

[00:12:26] I do think you play your idol there

[00:12:28] That being said I have literally been in that position

[00:12:31] Where I was going

[00:12:34] I had an advantage in my pocket

[00:12:36] I was going down the line

[00:12:37] Okay that's my person, that's my person, that's my person

[00:12:39] I feel like something is wrong here

[00:12:40] Like why are they talking so much about me

[00:12:42] But that's my person, that's my person, that's my person

[00:12:44] And so I've been there

[00:12:46] You're an ex-serviver, you're exhausted

[00:12:48] You're malnourished

[00:12:50] You're confused, you've got an advantage

[00:12:52] You want to use it perfectly

[00:12:54] You don't want to use it right now

[00:12:56] Because you really want to use it down the line

[00:12:58] And you convince yourself that you know where everything is going

[00:13:00] And you're wrong and that's why you voted out

[00:13:02] And that's what happened to him

[00:13:04] So obviously he played it wrong

[00:13:06] It was a mistake but I totally understand

[00:13:08] Yeah he really dropped a lot of information

[00:13:10] On us in the exit interview

[00:13:12] He talked about how he had

[00:13:14] Fake idols, he had a lot of like

[00:13:18] The ability to build these fake idols

[00:13:21] I just feel like that

[00:13:22] He was going to be the odds on favor

[00:13:24] To find the idol again

[00:13:27] And so if he felt like

[00:13:29] Okay I just need to get through this vote

[00:13:31] And then I've got a good shot at the final eight

[00:13:33] That he felt like he was going to have a four

[00:13:36] Moving forward in at least

[00:13:37] Kenzie, Liz and Venus

[00:13:39] That he thought that was going to be a four

[00:13:41] To go against

[00:13:43] But again if that was the case

[00:13:45] I don't know necessarily why he felt like

[00:13:47] That there was a split between Tiffany and Kenzie

[00:13:50] Like why was Hunter feeling like

[00:13:52] That Tiffany and Kenzie were not on the same page

[00:13:55] Yeah but that's why

[00:13:57] Right, I mean that's to me why

[00:13:59] That to me is the biggest, is the best argument

[00:14:01] For a vote split

[00:14:03] Like he's assuming that he has Kenzie

[00:14:05] He's assuming

[00:14:07] He said Kenzie was his number one

[00:14:09] He said that he felt like very strongly about Kenzie

[00:14:11] And I just don't believe that in that tribal council

[00:14:13] Tiffany and Kenzie were not aligned

[00:14:15] In where the votes were going

[00:14:17] So is your read

[00:14:19] Not based on Hunter's perspective

[00:14:21] That everyone was kind of like

[00:14:23] Making their own choice

[00:14:25] How do you mean making their own choice

[00:14:27] Well everyone's like you know what

[00:14:29] Today I'll vote Q

[00:14:31] Because I'm mad at Q right now

[00:14:33] Or how do you think it went down

[00:14:35] Yeah I really thought

[00:14:37] After watching the episode that it was a vote split

[00:14:39] I really feel like at least from the information

[00:14:41] That we have from Hunter

[00:14:43] I don't think that Liz was in on it

[00:14:45] Like I think that Liz was probably

[00:14:47] Like she was voting Q

[00:14:49] No matter what

[00:14:51] What Hunter's plan was

[00:14:53] That he said okay

[00:14:55] Q

[00:14:57] Ben or Q and

[00:14:59] Liz and Venus

[00:15:01] Let's vote for Ben

[00:15:03] They didn't want to do that so he got on board with

[00:15:05] Okay we're gonna vote out Q

[00:15:07] I don't think that Q was in on it

[00:15:09] And I don't think that Liz was in on it

[00:15:11] I guess the people that it's the question marks are

[00:15:15] Was Venus potentially

[00:15:17] You know cross talking

[00:15:19] With that other group

[00:15:21] It didn't seem like that Venus was

[00:15:23] In those conversations in this episode

[00:15:25] But she was the one who ran to them

[00:15:27] I was like we gotta change the plan

[00:15:29] Hunter's got an idol

[00:15:31] She's the one who goes over to them

[00:15:33] And says we gotta mix things up

[00:15:35] I think that she votes for Q in that situation

[00:15:37] And not for Hunter

[00:15:39] She's in that group

[00:15:41] I don't know

[00:15:43] At this point

[00:15:45] I still subscribed to team vote split

[00:15:47] Obviously I could be wrong

[00:15:49] But I think there's a chance that

[00:15:51] That's what happened

[00:15:53] Otherwise why is Tiffany voting for Hunter

[00:15:55] Instead of Q

[00:15:57] What is the rationale for that

[00:15:59] Well is Tiffany then

[00:16:01] Joined up with the three

[00:16:03] If not for an alliance

[00:16:05] For this particular vote

[00:16:07] Where Kenzie feels like hey don't get rid of Hunter

[00:16:09] I feel good about him

[00:16:11] Tiffany is like no he can go

[00:16:13] Yeah but see that

[00:16:15] To me is more off base

[00:16:17] Or not off base but unsubstantiated

[00:16:19] We haven't seen anything that would suggest

[00:16:21] I don't feel like I have a strong take on this

[00:16:23] Because then if that's the case

[00:16:25] Did everybody just do the calculations

[00:16:27] Instantly of okay

[00:16:29] On the re-vote we're voting for Hunter

[00:16:31] It seems like Kenzie needed to be

[00:16:33] Talked into flipping her vote

[00:16:35] From Q

[00:16:37] To Hunter on the re-vote

[00:16:39] So yeah I really

[00:16:41] I don't know

[00:16:43] I don't know if it was

[00:16:45] As cut and dry as a vote split

[00:16:47] And I don't know if it's exactly how Hunter saw it either

[00:16:49] Right right

[00:16:51] And again Hunter's perspective is

[00:16:53] He is in this world where he's counting his allies

[00:16:57] And PS as others have said

[00:16:59] He's so beautifully done

[00:17:01] Where you have the whole tribal

[00:17:03] And Jeff is asking questions and everyone is giving him answers

[00:17:05] But the actual focus

[00:17:07] Is just fixed on Hunter

[00:17:09] And we're so in Hunter's perspective

[00:17:11] As he's like Charlie, Kenzie, Liz

[00:17:13] Like what are you doing?

[00:17:15] And it's so much like one person's story

[00:17:17] Also this bigger story is going on

[00:17:19] And you have these two perfectly stacked narrative layers

[00:17:21] I thought it was so beautiful

[00:17:23] So much more fun than the

[00:17:25] Chaotic

[00:17:27] 16 people who aren't even

[00:17:29] 16 people left but there are 16 people somehow there

[00:17:31] They're all talking at the same time

[00:17:33] Like this like the background

[00:17:35] Of tribal noise and then one person

[00:17:37] Trying to pull together it

[00:17:39] And that person actually getting eliminated

[00:17:41] It was such a beautifully done scene

[00:17:43] Hunter, I asked him about

[00:17:45] Why take out the idol

[00:17:47] Now at this point in time

[00:17:49] That he felt like this was

[00:17:51] A tool that he was going to be able to use

[00:17:53] To sort of like

[00:17:55] Really needed to build trust in a group

[00:17:57] And felt like that the idol

[00:17:59] Was going to be and you even saw his reaction

[00:18:01] When he shows like the idol to Venus

[00:18:03] And he's like you see my impressed

[00:18:05] That was so funny

[00:18:07] I thought she kind of looked a little impressed

[00:18:09] She kind of went wide-eyed a little bit

[00:18:11] But

[00:18:13] That is very funny

[00:18:15] The tense relationship between Hunter

[00:18:17] I was so hopeful for that duo because I actually thought

[00:18:19] That would be a very funny alliance

[00:18:21] Like the Hunter Venus alliance where they like

[00:18:23] Are not really like each other

[00:18:25] But are incentivized to work together

[00:18:27] Yeah

[00:18:29] Like

[00:18:31] Liz maybe was in on it

[00:18:33] I mean poor Hunter

[00:18:35] And you know I'm a Hunter fan

[00:18:37] When you say Liz was in on it

[00:18:39] Liz was not in

[00:18:41] I think that Liz was like

[00:18:43] Maybe with him

[00:18:45] But then she ends up voting for Q

[00:18:47] Right?

[00:18:49] So Hunter obviously voted

[00:18:51] But for Hunter to hear

[00:18:53] Q was putting his name out

[00:18:55] He knows he's getting the Seagull votes

[00:18:57] For sure

[00:18:59] You know you're getting at least three votes

[00:19:01] When it's an eight person or it gets a nine person tribal council

[00:19:03] You play your idol

[00:19:05] Yeah

[00:19:07] Going back to the last tribal council

[00:19:09] This is something also interesting from Hunter's

[00:19:11] Interview

[00:19:13] That we were trying to figure out

[00:19:15] Well Q said at the tribal council

[00:19:17] Jeff I did something

[00:19:19] Right before tribal council

[00:19:21] And you know

[00:19:23] I may have gotten somebody

[00:19:25] Voted out tonight and I feel badly

[00:19:27] And I'm the person that should go home

[00:19:29] And we couldn't figure out exactly

[00:19:31] What is Q talking about here

[00:19:33] We know that

[00:19:35] He was

[00:19:37] Had thrown Tiffany's name out there

[00:19:39] And then Liz's Tevin plan

[00:19:41] Had sort of taken hold

[00:19:43] And then he told Hunter

[00:19:45] About the plan

[00:19:47] To get the votes back onto Tiffany

[00:19:49] But we couldn't figure out

[00:19:51] Why is Q feeling like he did something

[00:19:53] Here that was

[00:19:55] Changing the outcome of the vote

[00:19:57] That he felt like he needed to go home over

[00:19:59] And so Hunter

[00:20:01] Told at least in my

[00:20:03] Interview and I'm not sure if he got into it

[00:20:05] In any of the others

[00:20:07] That he explained that

[00:20:09] He got taken for an interview

[00:20:11] At around the point

[00:20:13] When there was that big scramble going on

[00:20:15] And while he was in his interview

[00:20:17] Q

[00:20:19] Went and told Tiffany

[00:20:21] And everybody

[00:20:23] Hunter is throwing Tiffany's name out there

[00:20:25] So he tried to make

[00:20:27] Hunter the patsy

[00:20:29] For

[00:20:31] His plan to take out Tiffany

[00:20:33] And so going into

[00:20:35] Tribal I don't know if Q felt like that Hunter's name

[00:20:37] Was then out there at that tribal council

[00:20:39] But

[00:20:41] That is what

[00:20:43] Q felt guilty about

[00:20:45] At that tribal council

[00:20:47] That he threw Hunter's name out there

[00:20:49] And threw Hunter under the bus

[00:20:51] Right before tribal council

[00:20:53] Oh, that's interesting

[00:20:55] There's always more

[00:20:57] And I'll be so interested

[00:20:59] Once we get the Q

[00:21:01] You're going to have to do

[00:21:03] The deep dive with Q

[00:21:05] Because we need every

[00:21:07] Beat along the way

[00:21:09] Of his motivations

[00:21:11] Or at least what he says his motivations were

[00:21:13] Yes

[00:21:15] But that's very interesting

[00:21:17] Because it never totally made sense

[00:21:19] Like what he was talking about

[00:21:21] So that makes a lot more sense

[00:21:23] That it's this Hunter story

[00:21:25] What do you think the future holds

[00:21:27] For Q in the game now, Steven?

[00:21:29] I mean Q is a realistic jury goat

[00:21:31] Ben said it

[00:21:33] He was like why would you waste to vote on Q

[00:21:35] He doesn't have

[00:21:37] I don't think he said it win equity

[00:21:39] That sort of was the gist of it

[00:21:41] Q has

[00:21:43] A lot of longevity

[00:21:45] Because who's going to vote for him

[00:21:47] Now there is a chance that they take him out

[00:21:49] Because he's got so much

[00:21:51] He causes so much chaos

[00:21:53] And especially if you're playing a control based game

[00:21:55] As Charlie and Maria are

[00:21:57] You don't want someone there who's going to cause a lot of chaos

[00:21:59] And there's also a lot of animosity

[00:22:01] To him, you know, for example

[00:22:03] Especially from Tiffany but presumably from Kenzie

[00:22:05] And others as well

[00:22:07] So I could either see him going next

[00:22:09] Or going or being in the final three

[00:22:11] Yeah, I'm just trying to think of

[00:22:13] That it would have to be

[00:22:15] Where that Tiffany and Kenzie

[00:22:17] Just have like animosity

[00:22:19] Built up because I feel like that logically

[00:22:21] Doesn't make sense to take Q out

[00:22:23] At this point

[00:22:25] It has to be personal to take it out

[00:22:27] Well again, like if you're Charlie or Maria

[00:22:29] There is an out there

[00:22:31] Like it does sort of make sense

[00:22:33] Because Q is so chaotic

[00:22:35] And you want

[00:22:37] You know, you're playing this very structured

[00:22:39] Organized game

[00:22:41] Working with this group

[00:22:43] And Q has the potential to completely upend everything

[00:22:45] Like I would take Q out

[00:22:47] You know, I would take a chaotic player like Q out

[00:22:49] Even if he was a potential

[00:22:51] Even if I didn't think he could beat me

[00:22:53] Simply because he could upend my plans

[00:22:55] You don't think that Charlie and Maria are benefitting from the chaos

[00:22:59] Around Q?

[00:23:01] Oh, that's interesting because it keeps the attention off of them

[00:23:03] Yeah, you're probably right about that

[00:23:05] It keeps the attention off of them

[00:23:07] And people keep coming to them because they're like

[00:23:09] Please give us a...

[00:23:11] I mean, that's what Hunter said

[00:23:13] Like he wanted to ally with Charlie and Maria

[00:23:15] Partially because he had nobody else left

[00:23:17] But also because they seem to have their stuff together

[00:23:19] Whereas everybody else was in total contact

[00:23:21] I mean honestly, of the people that are left in the game

[00:23:23] They might have the best working relationship

[00:23:25] With Q

[00:23:27] We've heard Maria be frustrated with Q

[00:23:29] But I think that she seems to have a pretty good rapport

[00:23:31] With him

[00:23:33] And also Q seems to

[00:23:35] Enjoy Charlie's company

[00:23:37] To some degree

[00:23:39] He doesn't think that Charlie is a threat

[00:23:41] And he's spoken positively

[00:23:43] About him as being a nice kid

[00:23:45] Where

[00:23:47] That Liz

[00:23:49] She is starting

[00:23:51] To suffer from

[00:23:53] Q derangement syndrome

[00:23:55] She's getting very upset about Q

[00:23:57] And how he stole the big move

[00:23:59] Venus

[00:24:01] Not a big fan

[00:24:03] Kenzie

[00:24:05] Can't work with him

[00:24:07] Tiffany very upset with Q

[00:24:09] And Ben has no love for Q

[00:24:11] I feel like Charlie and Maria are the people that can stomach him the most

[00:24:13] Yeah, that's interesting

[00:24:15] That's very interesting

[00:24:17] And so it helps them because it drives everybody else crazy

[00:24:19] There's also the element of

[00:24:21] I mean

[00:24:23] The Liz's perspective is so interesting

[00:24:25] Where she takes her big swing

[00:24:27] She holds her ground

[00:24:29] She pulls it off beautifully

[00:24:31] And then nobody cares

[00:24:33] Her whole plan

[00:24:35] To go from a loser to a

[00:24:37] What's the middle tier of?

[00:24:39] Nothing

[00:24:41] She wanted to go to a threat

[00:24:43] Nothing to a threat

[00:24:45] Becomes absolutely goes

[00:24:47] Nowhere

[00:24:49] And I kind of think that could be Liz's story for the season

[00:24:51] Basically

[00:24:53] Which is that she keeps on trying to take a swing

[00:24:55] And nobody gives her the credit she wants or deserves

[00:24:57] That's a very interesting story for a losing finalist

[00:24:59] I'm worried about Liz

[00:25:01] Moving forward

[00:25:03] This is based off

[00:25:05] In the preview she seems like very upset

[00:25:07] About this

[00:25:09] And I'm worried that

[00:25:11] It didn't go exactly the way you wanted it to go

[00:25:13] On the Q vote

[00:25:15] And so

[00:25:17] Or after the

[00:25:19] Tevin vote

[00:25:21] But don't let this derail your game, Liz

[00:25:23] And I think that probably for Liz also

[00:25:25] The elements I think

[00:25:27] Are starting to get to her

[00:25:29] We've seen it more and more on the show

[00:25:31] About FYI

[00:25:33] Day 17

[00:25:35] And it's been now

[00:25:37] How many days since she's eaten anything

[00:25:39] And so

[00:25:41] Tevin and Hunter

[00:25:43] I think we're also like the people that were keeping

[00:25:45] Liz fed

[00:25:47] In the game

[00:25:49] So maybe a mistake from Liz

[00:25:51] To help with getting Tevin out of the game

[00:25:53] Because I'm not sure who's feeding Liz anymore

[00:25:55] That's interesting

[00:25:57] I mean that's a really

[00:25:59] To not eat at all

[00:26:01] For such a long time

[00:26:03] That takes a toll on your mind and your emotion

[00:26:05] Hunter talked about how

[00:26:07] That him and Tevin

[00:26:09] They made sure that Liz was fed at Nami

[00:26:11] Now those guys are both gone

[00:26:13] I don't know who is doing the crabbing

[00:26:15] That is going to feed Liz

[00:26:17] Yeah

[00:26:19] That's really interesting

[00:26:21] It really like

[00:26:23] Do you think

[00:26:25] You had speculated last week

[00:26:27] That Jeff would try to

[00:26:29] Find ways to inject food

[00:26:31] Into the game

[00:26:33] Do you think this was like protein powder

[00:26:35] Popcorn

[00:26:37] Super juice with

[00:26:39] Butter and essential nutrients

[00:26:41] So they had an opportunity to do that

[00:26:43] Jeff talked about on the On Fire podcast

[00:26:45] The genesis behind the popcorn

[00:26:47] Jeff was like

[00:26:49] Hey I'm really excited about this

[00:26:51] They had a popcorn making machine

[00:26:53] And they had one

[00:26:55] Idea that was going to be

[00:26:57] The

[00:26:59] Contestants would be able to eat as much popcorn

[00:27:01] As they wanted at tribal council

[00:27:03] I guess they could have done that

[00:27:05] And they felt like that's going to be very distracting

[00:27:07] To do it that way

[00:27:09] I don't think they were trying to

[00:27:11] Get the rice back

[00:27:13] I believe that rice negotiation

[00:27:15] Had only happened the day before

[00:27:17] When it was day 16

[00:27:19] And this was only

[00:27:21] Like a one day episode

[00:27:23] So I think that if they do it again

[00:27:25] Probably they

[00:27:27] Couldn't show their hand that much and do it

[00:27:29] Like the very next day

[00:27:31] Try to give them rice again

[00:27:33] But I wouldn't be surprised by the next episode

[00:27:35] Interesting

[00:27:37] So yeah, I mean poor Liz

[00:27:39] I do think that for her

[00:27:41] She's got to like

[00:27:43] Get her crazy move

[00:27:45] And what would Liz's next big move even be

[00:27:47] I think that

[00:27:49] Her move is going to be Q

[00:27:51] I think she's going to be the person that's pushing

[00:27:53] Q and I'm just worried

[00:27:55] That this could be like a

[00:27:57] Shakespearean for her

[00:27:59] Don't ask me to tell you which character

[00:28:01] But I just feel like that now

[00:28:03] Her vengeance of like

[00:28:05] Okay, Q took this from me

[00:28:07] This could be her undoing in the game

[00:28:09] Yeah

[00:28:11] That's a tricky one. What do you think of this

[00:28:13] Whole thing and it's this has also been maybe

[00:28:15] You know a little discussed already where this cast

[00:28:17] More I mean we've had a lot

[00:28:19] Of people focused on their survivor resume

[00:28:21] Recently yeah this cast more than anyone

[00:28:23] Seems really fixated on which

[00:28:25] Individual gets like the check mark by

[00:28:27] Their name and that was so evident

[00:28:29] You know this episode with Maria talking about

[00:28:31] I want to vote out Tiffany and like

[00:28:33] That's going to be my move because Tiffany is coming for me

[00:28:35] And then Kenty says I want to vote at Tiffany

[00:28:37] And then she's like what that's my move

[00:28:39] Is your move like why can't two people have a move

[00:28:41] Like you know why can't you or

[00:28:43] Why can't you just eliminate the people who are bad for your game

[00:28:45] Like what is your take on this

[00:28:47] Or is there any validity because maybe that if that's how

[00:28:49] If that's how people are talking about the game

[00:28:51] Then that's all that matters right what's cool about

[00:28:53] One of the many cool things about survivor

[00:28:55] Is that the contestants determine

[00:28:57] The metric by which they judge

[00:28:59] The candidates in the final tribal so if

[00:29:01] Everyone's talking about like these are my check marks

[00:29:03] Then you need check marks

[00:29:05] Yeah this is I think

[00:29:07] A fascinating discussion now

[00:29:09] We know there was plenty of

[00:29:11] Resume talk in the

[00:29:13] Old era of

[00:29:15] Survivor even going back to

[00:29:17] You know many of the seasons in the

[00:29:19] 30s and trying to determine

[00:29:21] Like explain who

[00:29:23] Who won the game

[00:29:25] Even you know

[00:29:27] Winners at war Tony

[00:29:29] He did all the things and then

[00:29:31] Michelle and Natalie

[00:29:33] And I think the final four fire making I think also

[00:29:35] It's to this of like oh you need

[00:29:37] Right Dominic that he

[00:29:39] Didn't have the resume move of he should have made

[00:29:41] Chris Underwood oh he did

[00:29:43] He did the big thing so

[00:29:45] That's why he has to win but especially in the

[00:29:47] 40s in these last couple

[00:29:49] Of seasons the seasons that the players

[00:29:51] Watched right before they played

[00:29:53] You know we saw Mary Ann

[00:29:55] Had that one big move

[00:29:57] Where she took out Omer and it was

[00:29:59] Like oh my okay this is why Mary Ann

[00:30:01] Is the winner right she made that one big

[00:30:03] Move and then in

[00:30:05] Survivor 43 in all the discourse

[00:30:07] It was like and it was I thought you know

[00:30:09] Fitting I talked to Cassidy a little bit about

[00:30:11] This last night like oh well where was

[00:30:13] Cassidy where was your your moves on

[00:30:15] Here that you know you didn't

[00:30:17] You know you won the challenges

[00:30:19] But did you have a move because that's why

[00:30:21] You can't win because you didn't have the

[00:30:23] Like okay well I gotta make sure I got

[00:30:25] The things on my resume

[00:30:27] And then you know

[00:30:29] Jam jam he wins

[00:30:31] And is you know is part of this big group

[00:30:33] But did he have like a one

[00:30:35] Big move that he sort of takes

[00:30:37] Credit for I'm not necessarily

[00:30:39] Sure I think

[00:30:41] That in talking

[00:30:43] About it though what I have

[00:30:45] Thought about is and I'd love to

[00:30:47] Get your take on this theory there are

[00:30:49] Some people that they

[00:30:51] Don't need moves that they

[00:30:53] Just are one of the people

[00:30:55] That everybody knows like oh

[00:30:57] If they get to the end they're

[00:30:59] Winner they know this from pregame

[00:31:01] They know this from ponderosa they look

[00:31:03] At people and if that

[00:31:05] Person for instance

[00:31:07] Like a Caleb if Caleb

[00:31:09] Does nothing the whole game gets

[00:31:11] To final tribal council does anybody

[00:31:13] Look at Caleb is like Caleb

[00:31:15] Where were your moves Caleb what did you

[00:31:17] Do but I think that there are some

[00:31:19] People that they just kind of like

[00:31:21] Are sort of like from the very beginning

[00:31:23] Okay oh these are big threats

[00:31:25] And they don't have to make big

[00:31:27] And it's the people who aren't

[00:31:29] Necessarily the big threats

[00:31:31] That's why I don't think that Kenzie needs to do

[00:31:33] So much because I think that

[00:31:35] Kenzie is kind of in that

[00:31:37] Camp of people that if she

[00:31:39] Just got to the end that Bono

[00:31:41] Sized up instantly mermaid

[00:31:43] Dragon okay she's a everybody

[00:31:45] Knows Kenzie super social

[00:31:47] She's got these superpowers if she gets

[00:31:49] To the end she'll win

[00:31:51] I feel like that Liz is

[00:31:53] Not one of those people and I do think

[00:31:55] That's probably important for Liz

[00:31:57] To and I don't know if it's

[00:31:59] Just like people that are underestimated

[00:32:01] And maybe this speaks to why some of the moms

[00:32:03] Get to the end and it's like oh I wasn't

[00:32:05] Really worried about you know

[00:32:07] The mom and maybe

[00:32:09] Maria is feeling like okay I need

[00:32:11] To have moves but if you're not one of

[00:32:13] These people that are instantly thought of

[00:32:15] As a big threat Tevin I feel like

[00:32:17] Could have just gotten to the end

[00:32:19] And Tevin didn't need to have a big move

[00:32:21] Yeah do you think though that some of

[00:32:23] The people that are like who people like the most

[00:32:25] Like they're looking to give you

[00:32:27] With Mary and Mike

[00:32:29] Mike probably considered himself

[00:32:31] Someone who could just get to the end

[00:32:33] And not need a move right

[00:32:35] He probably was like I'm here

[00:32:37] I just was generally part of the thing

[00:32:39] More than these people were

[00:32:41] So obviously I deserved to win

[00:32:43] And then with Mary and she had this move

[00:32:45] Where in general

[00:32:47] My attitude is like the jury

[00:32:49] Whoever they like more they're looking

[00:32:51] For a reason and so the move

[00:32:53] Is more for like the person who they like

[00:32:55] But they don't have a rationalization

[00:32:57] But whereas like if you could have

[00:32:59] A hundred moves if they just don't like you

[00:33:01] They're not going to find a reason

[00:33:03] That's not rewarded to you exactly but I think

[00:33:05] That the players aren't necessarily thinking

[00:33:07] Of like how like them I and the players

[00:33:09] Are feeling like okay well I'm going to change

[00:33:11] The narrative here of like and I think

[00:33:13] You can to some degree

[00:33:15] But I think that the ultimate thing

[00:33:17] That's going to decide who the winner of the game

[00:33:19] Who's at the game who has that

[00:33:21] Likeability wow factor

[00:33:23] Over the other players

[00:33:25] And a lot of it you know just to

[00:33:27] Harken back to what Jeff said at the start

[00:33:29] At the start of the game on the mat

[00:33:31] Is that there's going to be some of the people

[00:33:33] That are there that just don't have that

[00:33:35] It doesn't matter how many moves they make

[00:33:37] In the game it may not change

[00:33:39] The votes. Yeah well that's

[00:33:41] My feeling for Venus you know it's like

[00:33:43] She's just like because of her

[00:33:45] You know just the fact that she does

[00:33:47] These other players you know for whatever reason

[00:33:49] They're never going to respect her

[00:33:51] They're never going to give her credit

[00:33:53] No matter what she does

[00:33:55] And like she was one of the prime drivers

[00:33:57] She was the one who came with that information

[00:33:59] About Hunter's Idol who maybe they weren't

[00:34:01] Going to have a vote split you know

[00:34:03] That's obviously a question of whether there was

[00:34:05] Or not but you know there's an argument

[00:34:07] To be made that Venus was one

[00:34:09] Of the prime drivers for tonight's vote

[00:34:11] And you know I guess we'll find out

[00:34:13] If there was or it was not a vote split

[00:34:15] In that case like she's not going to get credit for that

[00:34:17] Yeah it's

[00:34:19] Interesting as we sort of

[00:34:21] Like try to parse the credit

[00:34:23] Of Venus and what she should

[00:34:25] Get this one is interesting to me because

[00:34:27] That she you know is certainly

[00:34:29] Like enjoys the spoils

[00:34:31] Of Hunter being gone

[00:34:33] But did Venus

[00:34:35] Know

[00:34:37] That if Hunter doesn't play his Idol

[00:34:39] He's going home Venus definitely

[00:34:41] Seemed to be a vote for Q

[00:34:43] All through the episode

[00:34:45] She did have a confessional

[00:34:47] I think in the episode where she talked about how

[00:34:49] You know like okay that

[00:34:51] Hunter should go

[00:34:53] Home I don't have my

[00:34:55] Notes in front of me of exactly what

[00:34:57] She said but

[00:34:59] Did she know

[00:35:01] That if he doesn't play his Idol he is going

[00:35:03] To go home I think that's one of the super

[00:35:05] Interesting things about this week

[00:35:07] Yeah I believe she did

[00:35:09] Or at least like I believe most people did

[00:35:11] Specifically it's trickier but I do believe that she did

[00:35:13] I think this was a locked in split vote

[00:35:15] Like maybe they didn't know where this was going

[00:35:17] But they were like it doesn't matter if it was

[00:35:19] Votes for Q or votes for Ben because either way

[00:35:21] We've got the numbers

[00:35:23] Well to speak to a point that she did

[00:35:25] Know

[00:35:27] In Hunter's exit interview

[00:35:29] I'm not sure if it was with Dalton

[00:35:31] Or with Mike

[00:35:33] That there was some talk about where

[00:35:35] Hunter tried to say like hey

[00:35:37] If it's going to be Q do we have to vote tonight

[00:35:39] Could we just

[00:35:41] Could we just go for Q

[00:35:43] And Venus was one of the people like no no we're voting

[00:35:45] We have to vote

[00:35:47] So funny we talked about that last season

[00:35:49] With the Sean stuff like you know now

[00:35:51] So Hunter was the one who said

[00:35:53] Can Q just go basically

[00:35:55] Yeah if he wants to go

[00:35:57] And he said that Venus was somebody

[00:35:59] Who was saying no we need to have the votes

[00:36:01] Yeah but this episode

[00:36:03] Because Q didn't say he was fine going

[00:36:05] This episode

[00:36:07] Well that's what I understood

[00:36:09] From

[00:36:11] The exit press

[00:36:13] With Hunter

[00:36:15] So yeah

[00:36:17] Interesting stuff

[00:36:19] Where do you think this goes next Steven

[00:36:21] I mean

[00:36:23] I do think Q is a likely next target

[00:36:25] Honestly like for all the reasons you said

[00:36:27] It's interesting that Liz really could be

[00:36:29] The next one to go to

[00:36:31] It's been three Nami's in a row

[00:36:33] Yeah that's true

[00:36:35] Because they really it's such a classic

[00:36:37] You know

[00:36:39] The season has not felt like it was following that narrative

[00:36:41] Of like the dominant tribe at the merge

[00:36:43] Like is then like picked off one by one

[00:36:45] By one in the way that you know it did

[00:36:47] With

[00:36:49] Tandang right Tandang yeah

[00:36:51] In Survivor Philippines but

[00:36:53] That is the narrative it's

[00:36:55] Following that is basically what happened

[00:36:57] Is there a world where Ben is next

[00:37:01] It's hard to see

[00:37:03] Where the Ben votes are coming from

[00:37:05] Because that he is well liked

[00:37:07] By Siga and well liked

[00:37:09] By Kenzie and

[00:37:11] So it's hard to see where it's coming

[00:37:13] I think that really the very interesting

[00:37:15] Scenario could be you know if

[00:37:17] Liz does end up going out this

[00:37:19] Week where then

[00:37:21] You have the three Segas and

[00:37:23] Then you have Tiffany and Kenzie

[00:37:25] And we'll find out

[00:37:27] If Tiffany ever gets

[00:37:29] Word that Kenzie

[00:37:31] Is coming for her and I want to hear you

[00:37:33] Talk about that a little bit

[00:37:35] But then you'd have the three Segas

[00:37:37] Tiffany and Kenzie

[00:37:39] And Q and Venus as like

[00:37:41] The two wild cards of like

[00:37:43] Okay figure that out that could be very interesting

[00:37:45] As a final seven but

[00:37:47] Kenzie in this episode Stephen talked about how

[00:37:49] Okay now's the time

[00:37:51] I need to take out

[00:37:53] My closest ally Tiffany

[00:37:55] I guess like if that's the trend

[00:37:57] And now obviously I'm like sort of against

[00:37:59] That

[00:38:01] Theoretically but if everyone is taking out their closest ally

[00:38:03] You don't want to be the last one to take out your closest ally

[00:38:05] You know

[00:38:07] For people I guess

[00:38:09] You could say Marianne

[00:38:11] That was much later right

[00:38:13] Omar's final stick

[00:38:15] If you know it wasn't like that Marianne

[00:38:17] And Omar were a duo

[00:38:19] Well that's right and also like

[00:38:21] They've just basically lost their other

[00:38:23] You know they had a trio they've essentially

[00:38:25] Just lost one third of their

[00:38:27] Yeah with Q now being you know

[00:38:29] Um

[00:38:31] Off on his own let's say and so to then

[00:38:33] Just for that for your response to be

[00:38:35] Well forget it I'm going to cut off the rest of my trio

[00:38:37] Like that's a very strange perspective

[00:38:39] Um you do wonder

[00:38:41] Though if

[00:38:43] You know there's a sense if she has a sense

[00:38:45] Perhaps correctly if you know again like

[00:38:47] If everyone is talking about like that's my move

[00:38:49] That's my move that's my move

[00:38:51] Maybe she knows that she needs

[00:38:53] To get credit for that big move before

[00:38:55] She's not going to be putting that

[00:38:57] In the same way as she's putting

[00:38:59] That in terms of the tribe consensus to take out Tiffany

[00:39:01] She needs to kind of get ahead of that

[00:39:03] And own that in a way in order to like justify

[00:39:05] Getting

[00:39:07] The jury books she also seems to have great

[00:39:09] Other relationships right

[00:39:11] She this this episode she keep and we talked

[00:39:13] About how she and Ben seem to be forming a bond

[00:39:15] At that panic attack moment

[00:39:17] And this episode like Ben keeps on referring to her

[00:39:19] She keeps on referring to Ben

[00:39:21] Hunter referred to hers her number one

[00:39:23] Relationships yeah I think

[00:39:25] That for Kenzie I think the issue is not

[00:39:27] So much like a resume and I know that's what she

[00:39:29] Was talking about and getting credit for

[00:39:31] It in the game but I think that the issue for

[00:39:33] Her might be that she might be

[00:39:35] Seen as like the like

[00:39:37] Least significant of the yonu

[00:39:39] Three whereas that she sort of just like one at the

[00:39:42] Background dancers in the yonu three

[00:39:45] And not the lead in the yonu three

[00:39:47] So if she gets to the end with Tiffany right

[00:39:49] You know will she not

[00:39:51] It's not necessarily like that she doesn't have the

[00:39:53] Resume but will it be

[00:39:55] Seen as that she was more of Tiffany's

[00:39:57] Accomplice to get to the final two right

[00:39:59] Three but but I mean if that if that is her

[00:40:02] Strategic problem then it makes more sense to keep

[00:40:05] Tiffany in the game as someone to absorb

[00:40:07] You know attention and vote her out

[00:40:09] Like later on right like early at the final nine

[00:40:11] Well, right exactly if you're concerned is like

[00:40:13] I don't want to be sitting next to this

[00:40:15] Person at the end then you probably want to

[00:40:17] Keep them a little bit longer

[00:40:19] I know it's always risky right if

[00:40:21] Then getting rid of them here

[00:40:23] Versus you know if your goal is to like

[00:40:26] Make sure like you get most credit

[00:40:28] Which does seem to be a lot of these people's goals

[00:40:30] Whether or not that's a good goal, you know

[00:40:32] And then maybe in many ways like Tiffany

[00:40:34] I'm sorry. Kenzie is really well served

[00:40:36] This episode by not getting her way

[00:40:39] You know by not successfully voting out Tiffany

[00:40:42] First of all she like calls her shot

[00:40:44] So she like does she have like trickle down credit

[00:40:47] You know in any subsequent episode of if Tiffany

[00:40:49] Goes home she gets like a little notch by her belt

[00:40:51] But she also has she can also kind of work

[00:40:54] With you know Tiffany still kind of like

[00:40:56] Sandra with the villains where you know

[00:40:59] She could keep working with the villains even as

[00:41:01] Even as she got credit for like trying to take

[00:41:03] Out the villains. Well that's what happened

[00:41:05] With soda where that like soda finally

[00:41:07] Went and then you had people saying like

[00:41:09] No I I came that was my idea to get rid

[00:41:12] Of soda I invented that I've been saying

[00:41:14] Since day two get rid of soda

[00:41:16] What do you mean it doesn't matter who did it

[00:41:18] I was my with that was my joke

[00:41:21] But I wonder with Kenzie is it possible

[00:41:24] Now with Tevin out of the game did she sort of

[00:41:26] Look at Hunter and Hunter really did say

[00:41:29] He doubled down on that Kenzie was you know

[00:41:32] He was very close with Kenzie that did

[00:41:34] Kenzie maybe feel like hey I could be

[00:41:36] The new Tevin I could be sort of the brains

[00:41:38] Behind this operation and that okay

[00:41:41] I could be working with Hunter and he's

[00:41:43] Winning the challenges and sort of

[00:41:45] Be able to have Hunter as more of a

[00:41:49] Partner right right but I still

[00:41:52] Think she was in on this vote like I still

[00:41:54] Believe that I mean I think she wanted to

[00:41:56] Take out Tiffany and make a bigger move

[00:41:58] You know Venus and Kenzie that's the

[00:42:00] Two that we that's the at the heart

[00:42:04] Of this like what did they know

[00:42:07] What were they in on yeah I mean more

[00:42:10] Than anyone I think Kenzie was in on it

[00:42:12] Right I think there's a world where Venus

[00:42:13] Was not in on it although I actually think

[00:42:15] She was in on it but I would be like

[00:42:17] Legitimately shocked for Tiffany and

[00:42:19] Kenzie to vote different ways especially

[00:42:21] With Tiffany not voting for Q Tiffany

[00:42:23] Voting for Hunter and Kenzie voting

[00:42:25] For Q like I'm it makes no sense

[00:42:29] Other than without you know it

[00:42:31] Has to be a vote split yeah okay

[00:42:34] I'm not letting you convince me again

[00:42:36] Rob I don't know I don't know

[00:42:39] I'm just telling you like my like

[00:42:41] I felt very much like it was a vote split

[00:42:43] And then after talking with Hunter today

[00:42:45] Like I have questions yeah yeah okay

[00:42:51] Speaking of questions should we start to bring in

[00:42:54] Some questions from the listeners okay

[00:42:58] Love that I love that

[00:42:59] All right Samantha Snow wants to know

[00:43:01] What why isn't anybody talking about Maria

[00:43:04] She's a strong competitor has great relationships

[00:43:06] Same can be said about Charlie too

[00:43:08] How are those two seemingly going unnoticed

[00:43:10] Yeah a bad job by us

[00:43:12] Letting us get this far into the podcast

[00:43:14] Without spending some time on Charlie and Maria

[00:43:17] Who are situated in a very nice spot Steven

[00:43:21] You tweeted earlier that

[00:43:23] What are they even doing not turning on each other

[00:43:26] Exactly how can they possibly win the game

[00:43:29] If neither of them is targeting their own ally

[00:43:31] I do think it would be funny if the two of them

[00:43:33] Were in the finals and they were like

[00:43:34] No no no you never voted out your number one

[00:43:36] So you can't win this game that would be like

[00:43:38] The best possible ending to this like

[00:43:40] Total mess of a season

[00:43:41] Like you guys stayed together till the end

[00:43:43] And therefore you failed the ally you know

[00:43:46] Betrayal test

[00:43:48] They're playing an awesome game unquestionably

[00:43:50] Everyone is friends with them it does seem

[00:43:52] Like Charlie has better I mean we get more

[00:43:54] Of Charlie's perspective so it's hard to gauge

[00:43:56] Is he actually have more relationships

[00:43:58] Or are we just seeing more of it

[00:43:59] But we'll often see him come to Maria

[00:44:01] They'll talk about something and then Charlie will go

[00:44:03] I need to talk to this person I need to talk to that person

[00:44:05] And then we'll see Charlie in more of those external conversations

[00:44:07] So I do think Charlie is probably the driving force

[00:44:09] Of that duo whereas earlier it did seem like Maria

[00:44:12] Kind of maybe was more of the big force

[00:44:15] Right on Sega

[00:44:16] Right she seemed to have the relationship with

[00:44:18] Maria she seemed to have the relationship with

[00:44:20] Gem

[00:44:21] She voted out Gem yeah

[00:44:23] Yeah with him too and then you know

[00:44:26] They had the parent connection unbeknownst to Maria

[00:44:29] So yeah I think that they

[00:44:33] I mean if you're just looking at people's game spot

[00:44:35] They're in the best spot right they're in between

[00:44:37] These warring groups everyone is coming to them

[00:44:40] They don't for whatever reason they don't seem to be

[00:44:42] A target yet I mean they're going to have to be

[00:44:44] A target soon right people are going to say

[00:44:46] How come nobody's targeting Charlie right

[00:44:48] That has to be the narrative soon now that

[00:44:50] Like they've gotten rid of especially with Hunter gone

[00:44:52] You know where there's the sense of like

[00:44:54] Oh there's this big challenge guy

[00:44:55] Yeah

[00:44:56] Gotta give it to him now there has to be a new

[00:44:58] A new cue nobody's worried about him as much

[00:45:00] Any more the focus is going to have to shift

[00:45:02] To like who's the next tallest poppy

[00:45:04] And I do think Charlie could be the tallest poppy

[00:45:06] Yeah honestly Charlie might go next

[00:45:07] Well these last two challenges went down to

[00:45:09] Charlie and Hunter

[00:45:10] I was thinking to myself like oh I wonder

[00:45:12] If Hunter was tired because he

[00:45:15] Ended up going so long on the poll challenge

[00:45:18] Which was only the day before but Charlie

[00:45:20] Was there the whole time too

[00:45:22] So it's just interesting those two

[00:45:25] Were the last two people

[00:45:28] You know in back-to-back challenges and I do wonder

[00:45:30] If Charlie ends up being sort of like

[00:45:32] Because who is the immunity threat now

[00:45:34] Right right exactly Charlie

[00:45:36] He said it's going to be him

[00:45:38] Yeah Charlie says Charlie you know

[00:45:40] If only Hunter hadn't you know

[00:45:42] Didn't have done his flourish on the poll last week

[00:45:44] He might have had the energy to win this week you know

[00:45:46] He talked about this also

[00:45:48] I think this was with Dalton

[00:45:51] That he talked about how

[00:45:53] He was just he wanted to see if it was possible

[00:45:56] He actually thinks that it's a good strategy

[00:45:58] For future players to do that

[00:46:01] To hang upside down like that

[00:46:04] And he said he could have done it for longer

[00:46:06] If Jeff didn't say like hey hey get down from there

[00:46:10] Yeah the only challenge is with that strategy

[00:46:12] Is if you mess it up

[00:46:14] You go plummeting headfirst to the ground

[00:46:16] I think that's like a potential downside to the yeah

[00:46:19] Yeah okay

[00:46:22] So for Maria and Charlie

[00:46:24] Do you feel like they are

[00:46:27] In the best position to get to the end

[00:46:30] I don't think so

[00:46:32] I think that the

[00:46:34] Eye of Sauron is going to you know

[00:46:36] Turn on them soon

[00:46:38] And then will that I know you sarcastically tweeted

[00:46:40] Like hey how are they even going

[00:46:42] And they're not turning on each other

[00:46:44] And this was something we kind of talked about

[00:46:46] In Survivor 43

[00:46:48] Especially when it came down to like Carla and Cassidy

[00:46:50] Like is it a good move for one of them

[00:46:52] To get the jump on the other

[00:46:54] And sort of like lower that threat level

[00:46:57] To not be a duo anymore

[00:46:59] At this point everybody has taken out their duo

[00:47:01] You know I mean Kenzie and Tiffany have not actually yet

[00:47:04] But you know who's in an alliance anymore

[00:47:07] Other than them you know

[00:47:09] Kenzie is already talking about turning on Tiffany

[00:47:11] Like you know the Sega 3

[00:47:14] Are the big threat and maybe there's a world where they think

[00:47:16] Ben is the big threat like Hunter thought Ben was the big threat

[00:47:18] Of the Sega 3 we don't see as much of Ben

[00:47:21] So we don't necessarily think he's a big threat

[00:47:23] Because we don't see him strategizing as much

[00:47:25] But he's so well liked you know

[00:47:27] And there's a world where Ben is the perceived next big threat

[00:47:30] Do we think that Kenzie is in any danger

[00:47:33] Of a lot of people knew that Kenzie said

[00:47:36] Hey I want to take Tiffany out

[00:47:38] Is Kenzie in any danger of Tiffany finding out about this

[00:47:42] I don't think, I mean I

[00:47:44] Kenzie is now my winner pick right

[00:47:46] Like Kenzie's your winner pick too right

[00:47:48] She's got to be

[00:47:49] Of the people that are left

[00:47:50] Are you still like Charlie?

[00:47:52] I would say I think that

[00:47:54] Based off of like story and everything

[00:47:56] I feel like Kenzie and Charlie

[00:47:58] I feel like are the two most likely

[00:48:00] And Tiffany

[00:48:01] I feel like Tiffany had a good night after last night

[00:48:04] I thought that it was a bounce back night

[00:48:06] People are weirdly discounting

[00:48:07] I've always been surprised by the number of people who are like

[00:48:09] Pro-Kenzie and anti

[00:48:11] Or just not pro-Tiffani for winning

[00:48:13] Until last night which I did feel like

[00:48:15] The story was so largely told through

[00:48:18] Kenzie's perspective when she wasn't even necessarily

[00:48:21] Part of you know one of the ones driving the Hunter vote

[00:48:24] That I did feel like that

[00:48:25] This could be like you know one of her sort of

[00:48:28] The start of her winner arc

[00:48:30] By the way kudos to everybody last night

[00:48:33] If it was a vote split which I still ate it as

[00:48:35] And if it wasn't a vote split kudos to those people

[00:48:37] Who were voting 400 such as Charlie

[00:48:40] For like so stone coldly lying to his face

[00:48:44] In like the day absolutely

[00:48:47] Fooled him, tricked him in the most incredible way

[00:48:50] And me again still thinking it's a vote split

[00:48:53] When Hunter says to Charlie like

[00:48:55] Hey just make sure you tell Liz that it's Q

[00:48:58] And Hunter's like got it, he turns to Liz

[00:49:00] Says hey it's Q tonight like okay I told her it's Q

[00:49:02] Like we're all on the same page it's Q

[00:49:04] He doesn't like a lot of the time you know

[00:49:06] And then he votes for Hunter and Hunter goes home

[00:49:08] You know I mean it really like they had their stuff

[00:49:11] Buttoned up

[00:49:12] Point against it being the vote split

[00:49:15] Okay yeah and Kenzie being in on it

[00:49:18] That would it be who've

[00:49:20] Kenzie

[00:49:21] For Hunter to play his idol in that spot

[00:49:24] We know how badly she did want Q to go home

[00:49:27] Hunter is a number for her

[00:49:29] They'd flush the idol

[00:49:31] Q would be gone

[00:49:32] Hunter would stay

[00:49:34] If she was in on it

[00:49:36] Wouldn't it be to her advantage

[00:49:38] To have Hunter play the idol then

[00:49:41] In this potential vote split

[00:49:44] I still kind of think they're in this like

[00:49:46] Consensus mentality you know and I think this gets established

[00:49:49] At the start of the merge now

[00:49:52] You know because of all the chaos of

[00:49:54] Mergetory and then the two split groups

[00:49:57] Where the big group is coming to a consensus

[00:50:00] And saying that's the plan and if you

[00:50:02] If Kenzie were to go against that plan she would risk

[00:50:04] Exposing herself and potentially alienating other people

[00:50:06] So I kind of think like you know

[00:50:08] Maybe Liz isn't the core part of the group

[00:50:10] Or Venus isn't the core part of the group

[00:50:12] I still think like you got the Seiga 3

[00:50:13] You got Kenzie and Tiffany

[00:50:14] I think everyone is kind of coming together

[00:50:16] Being like it's Hunter right

[00:50:17] Okay let's do that plan

[00:50:19] But if Hunter says I'm definitely playing my

[00:50:21] Idol tonight like isn't it the perfect

[00:50:23] Crime for Kenzie to get away with

[00:50:25] Of like just like give him a wink of like

[00:50:27] Play the idol like

[00:50:29] She's right next to him

[00:50:31] But there's also a world where

[00:50:33] Kenzie thinks it's a good idea to get Hunter out

[00:50:35] You know like she said like that's the

[00:50:37] Boring plan because it's the obvious plan

[00:50:39] But there has to be some part of her that thinks

[00:50:41] Like eliminating Hunter now like yeah

[00:50:43] There's a world where Hunter does win

[00:50:45] There's a world where he goes out and finds another idol

[00:50:47] And I don't want to live in that world

[00:50:49] Like this is someone who could meet me at the end

[00:50:51] Something else that Hunter talked about

[00:50:53] Hunter seemed very down on Q

[00:50:55] He might be getting a cameo at some point

[00:50:57] But he said that he was never really

[00:50:59] On board with the six

[00:51:01] What Hunter wanted to do was

[00:51:03] He wanted to take the Yanu 3

[00:51:05] Of Q, Kenzie and Tiffany

[00:51:08] And pair that up with his three

[00:51:10] Of Hunter, Tevin and Liz

[00:51:12] He wanted that to be the six

[00:51:14] And because of that, that's how he got

[00:51:16] So close with Kenzie where he felt

[00:51:18] Like that Tiffany was really Q's person

[00:51:20] But that he really worked on

[00:51:22] Building that relationship with Kenzie

[00:51:24] Hmm

[00:51:26] That's interesting

[00:51:28] That's very interesting now obviously

[00:51:30] That would have been a big mistake for him to tell Q

[00:51:32] That was the plan

[00:51:34] I don't think he told Q that was the plan

[00:51:36] Yeah, yeah

[00:51:38] But he put all his trust in Q and Q

[00:51:40] Left and right

[00:51:42] Yeah, truly we saw it

[00:51:44] Q who demanded loyalty

[00:51:46] Was so absolutely not loyal to people

[00:51:48] Yeah

[00:51:50] I think Hunter told Mike Bloom

[00:51:52] Q built this amazing

[00:51:54] Secret alliance

[00:51:56] With a player with a secret

[00:51:58] Idol

[00:52:00] Another player with a secret idol

[00:52:02] A player with an extra vote

[00:52:04] And then single-handedly destroyed it

[00:52:06] He built an alliance

[00:52:08] With all the advantages

[00:52:10] And then said, you know what

[00:52:12] Big mistake

[00:52:14] That's great though

[00:52:16] Q's amazing television

[00:52:18] The fact that he's doing so much

[00:52:20] And now I've got to tear this apart

[00:52:22] Because I'm bored

[00:52:24] He's been absolutely incredible

[00:52:26] I tweeted out earlier today

[00:52:28] Is this the best

[00:52:30] Stretch of survivor of the new era

[00:52:32] These last three weeks

[00:52:34] Yes or no

[00:52:36] I could tell you with

[00:52:38] 2024 votes clocking

[00:52:40] And what do you think the answer is?

[00:52:42] I think it's yes by a slim margin

[00:52:44] No, 67%

[00:52:46] Said yes

[00:52:48] Hmm

[00:52:50] A lot of people pointed to

[00:52:52] The tale end of survivor 42

[00:52:54] The

[00:52:56] And one of the votes that we're talking about

[00:52:58] Some people say that the final

[00:53:00] 7-6 in the finale

[00:53:02] Of 42

[00:53:04] So I don't begrudge anybody

[00:53:06] Who says that that's been better

[00:53:08] But just, I think this is a

[00:53:10] Really really great stretch of survivor here

[00:53:12] Now this season may have also had

[00:53:14] The worst stretch of survivor in the new era

[00:53:16] Yeah

[00:53:18] Not even the first episode

[00:53:20] The second third or fourth episode

[00:53:22] There was that two-hour second episode

[00:53:24] That was like a little

[00:53:26] A little rough and then you had the

[00:53:28] Random Medivac and then the other

[00:53:30] All-Bond episode

[00:53:32] This season has been low lows

[00:53:34] And high highs

[00:53:36] Yeah

[00:53:38] One of the things that to me makes it

[00:53:40] Such an intense viewing is this music

[00:53:42] Which I've talked about in the past

[00:53:44] Not just like loud which Mike Bloom has written about

[00:53:46] But just like boom boom

[00:53:48] It's truly like an action movie

[00:53:50] I can't like tense

[00:53:52] I worked up watching it

[00:53:54] So as I've gone back and forth

[00:53:56] With this vote split versus not

[00:53:58] One of the things that made me feel

[00:54:00] Was the

[00:54:02] Score that they have

[00:54:04] This tribal

[00:54:06] Sort of like

[00:54:08] Sometimes you hear like

[00:54:10] It sounds like laughing as the votes

[00:54:12] Were being counted

[00:54:14] It seemed unusual

[00:54:16] And I don't know if anybody else can speak to this

[00:54:18] In the chat but it was almost like in the distant

[00:54:20] Like as they were counting the votes

[00:54:22] Like ha ha ha ha ha ha

[00:54:24] Ha ha ha ha ha ha

[00:54:26] Almost like they're really trying

[00:54:28] To make it like

[00:54:30] That's what maybe think about Eric Reichenbach

[00:54:32] Screaming and hollering

[00:54:34] Sort of just like

[00:54:36] Chanting

[00:54:38] In the audio

[00:54:40] It was not coming from the jury

[00:54:42] It was in the mix

[00:54:44] Wow it's intense the music now

[00:54:46] But honestly it's effective

[00:54:48] I'm like so locked in that there's like

[00:54:50] James Bond music

[00:54:52] Very loud music at tribal council

[00:54:54] Let's keep going with some more questions

[00:54:56] How about

[00:54:58] Heidi asks us the question

[00:55:00] Why hasn't the shot in the dark been used at all

[00:55:02] In the post merge with such

[00:55:04] Chaotic tribals you think that anyone

[00:55:06] With an inkling that they were unsafe

[00:55:08] Would go for it. Hunters seem to think the votes

[00:55:10] Were going all going Q's way

[00:55:12] If he didn't want to burn the idol

[00:55:14] Why not take the shot and

[00:55:16] Gauge everyone's reactions

[00:55:18] To see if, to play the idol

[00:55:20] Should Hunter have waited to see

[00:55:22] If Q played the shot in the dark

[00:55:24] Or is Q now impossible to read

[00:55:26] Because if he wants to quit

[00:55:28] Why is he playing the shot in the dark

[00:55:30] I did see a Mike Bloom's interview

[00:55:32] Maybe he talked about this with you

[00:55:34] That Hunter was initially going to play

[00:55:36] A shot in the dark, see if it hit and then

[00:55:38] Potentially play his idol which

[00:55:40] No I did not see that

[00:55:42] Oh I think that's what I read

[00:55:44] I skimmed it quickly before we podcast

[00:55:46] That's an interesting strategy

[00:55:48] Like I didn't even know that the order of operations

[00:55:50] Would allow that. You play the shot in the dark

[00:55:52] If it hits. No because

[00:55:54] When does Jeff read the shot in the dark

[00:55:56] Like this I guess

[00:55:58] People ask for advantages and you go give him

[00:56:00] Your shot in the dark, he enrolls it

[00:56:02] And then you can play your idol. Why not?

[00:56:04] He certainly could have done that

[00:56:06] But Hunter talked through

[00:56:08] Quite a bit his calculus of

[00:56:10] Why he didn't think he needed to play

[00:56:12] The idol there

[00:56:14] At that one. It was really Tiffany

[00:56:16] He blamed it all on Tiffany, he got the wrong read

[00:56:18] On Tiffany

[00:56:20] Alright, let me see

[00:56:22] What other questions we have

[00:56:24] Here today. How about

[00:56:30] How about the question

[00:56:32] From not a robot? Is it possible that the whole

[00:56:34] Episode is from Hunter's perspective

[00:56:36] So we he don't know yet

[00:56:38] That Kenzie, Target and Tiffany was a counter

[00:56:40] Idol smokescreen bluff?

[00:56:42] The one thing that we've seen

[00:56:44] Pretty consistently from the last couple of episodes

[00:56:46] Is that the narrative that the episode

[00:56:48] Is presenting is real

[00:56:50] And I think that like

[00:56:52] A lot of people are after the fact of being like

[00:56:54] But wait, what if Tevin wasn't on the plan

[00:56:56] And then there's this whole other thing happening

[00:56:58] And Tevin went over there

[00:57:00] What if Q really was not trying to quit

[00:57:02] And he had this like four-dimensional chest thing

[00:57:04] Let's just assume the things

[00:57:06] That are on our TV are the things

[00:57:08] That are actually happening

[00:57:10] Do we ever get burned by that though?

[00:57:12] I'm not at this show

[00:57:14] In the genius, yeah

[00:57:16] Okay

[00:57:18] How about

[00:57:20] A question from Brooke wants to know

[00:57:22] What do we think of meta Jeff? I kind of hate it

[00:57:24] Kind of love it. That's how I felt

[00:57:26] What do you think of that the props? The

[00:57:28] Cushions or the stool?

[00:57:30] Well you know what, I do

[00:57:32] Like the idea that Jeff is

[00:57:34] Encouraging them to be

[00:57:36] Like yes more of this

[00:57:38] This is good. Yeah, yeah, yeah

[00:57:40] I talked about it last night with Cassidy

[00:57:42] I did think it was a little odd

[00:57:44] That the spot to say that Q

[00:57:46] And Venus and Liz

[00:57:48] Were just like had no chance

[00:57:50] At this challenge when

[00:57:52] At the Mergetory Challenge it was so lopsided

[00:57:54] And he's like, ah look, you never know

[00:57:56] Right, and they also lost

[00:57:58] In that one at the merger

[00:58:00] They almost won though, they almost made a comeback

[00:58:02] That was a funny moment

[00:58:04] And I was like, oh they gotta win now

[00:58:06] It's sort of funny for them to come in second

[00:58:08] Like they got a moral victory

[00:58:10] It's like the end of cool runnings

[00:58:12] There, you showed us your heart

[00:58:14] But I don't mind it, I like

[00:58:16] Jeff taking more chances

[00:58:18] Like look, I would rather he's taking chances

[00:58:20] With the hosting than

[00:58:22] Like injecting wacky

[00:58:24] New twists into the game

[00:58:26] This is where Jeff should be

[00:58:28] Really experimenting with stuff

[00:58:30] And it seems like he's having fun

[00:58:32] I do feel like his fun translates to our fun

[00:58:34] When Jeff is kind of enjoying himself

[00:58:36] Rather than

[00:58:38] Some of the stuff with

[00:58:40] 41 when he's talking to the camera

[00:58:42] And then like boom, that was kind of fun

[00:58:44] Or interesting from a technical perspective

[00:58:46] And added some drama but it felt like so

[00:58:48] Like it was like too much, it was like too self-referential

[00:58:50] But with him just like joking around

[00:58:52] And enjoying himself, I feel like that really translates

[00:58:54] To me anyway

[00:58:56] We'd like to see Jeff having fun with everybody

[00:58:58] Yeah, okay

[00:59:00] Danny has a question as former players

[00:59:02] If Q goes on a solid run, maybe an immunity or two

[00:59:04] A proper idle play, a good vote out

[00:59:06] Could that be enough to warrant a shift

[00:59:08] In narrative and earn votes or no?

[00:59:10] That's interesting, is there a world

[00:59:12] Can Q come back from this? That's a good question

[00:59:14] What do you think Rob?

[00:59:16] It's hard that I don't know if we've had

[00:59:18] A player where that people

[00:59:20] Just like do not

[00:59:22] Respect him at this point in the game

[00:59:24] And I just I don't see

[00:59:26] How it's FYI

[00:59:28] Day 17 in the game

[00:59:30] How in

[00:59:32] Nine days

[00:59:34] Are they going to

[00:59:36] Change that narrative to where

[00:59:38] He earns the respect back

[00:59:40] From like the people on the jury

[00:59:42] In talking with Hunter, did not sound

[00:59:44] Like that he was feeling good about Q

[00:59:46] Tevin maybe it's a

[00:59:48] Coin flip although Tevin was like

[00:59:50] One of the most people like I have like

[00:59:52] Q has lost his brain, he needs

[00:59:54] To go back to Mississippi

[00:59:56] Weed Tiffany is in a screaming

[00:59:58] Match with him, Kenzie to his face

[01:00:00] Is telling him okay

[01:00:02] Where are these votes coming from?

[01:00:04] Is he doing that is making

[01:00:06] Them feel like okay

[01:00:08] Actually you know what Q deserves the win

[01:00:10] What if he goes to the edge of

[01:00:12] Extinction comes back

[01:00:14] Wins the immunities plays

[01:00:16] The makes fire now that's

[01:00:18] One hell of a resume

[01:00:20] Yeah

[01:00:22] Yeah that's interesting and even Ben who

[01:00:24] Never has a harsh word for anybody it was kind

[01:00:26] Of sounding called the opposer

[01:00:28] Yeah

[01:00:30] Okay

[01:00:32] Amy cook wants to know where does Liz go from here

[01:00:34] How do you change the public perception of

[01:00:36] What you're doing with just over a week

[01:00:38] Left in the game is there hope for

[01:00:40] Liz I mean

[01:00:42] It's interesting because like if Liz gets to

[01:00:44] Again like everything depends on who you're there with

[01:00:46] Right if Liz is there with Venus and Q she can be like

[01:00:48] Hey I was

[01:00:50] You know I was making some smart moves here

[01:00:52] You know if she's there with Charlie

[01:00:54] It's going to be more challenging

[01:00:56] I think that

[01:00:58] Liz has shown

[01:01:00] That she can pull off a move and like own it

[01:01:02] You know what happened last tribal count

[01:01:04] Like I thought she did it so beautifully

[01:01:06] Yeah she did last week

[01:01:08] We need more of the

[01:01:10] Liz from last week I think what

[01:01:12] Happened last week versus this

[01:01:14] Week where I think that when she was the person

[01:01:16] Like I think she was seen as part of Nami

[01:01:18] Last week I think she surprised everybody

[01:01:20] By saying like hey let's vote out

[01:01:22] Tevin but then I kind of feel like

[01:01:24] That she was still seen as like an accessory

[01:01:26] To Hunter

[01:01:28] And that's why I feel like she was kind of left out

[01:01:30] Of every and I don't know if she sort of

[01:01:32] Like has like the energy thing

[01:01:34] Is a factor or

[01:01:36] That she was so furious with Q

[01:01:38] Was a factor but it just seems like that she was

[01:01:40] Not part of the conversations this week

[01:01:42] She doesn't really seem to have a relationship

[01:01:44] With the with Charlie

[01:01:46] And Maria who are really at

[01:01:48] The center of everything

[01:01:50] Yeah I just I I'll go ahead I'm sorry

[01:01:52] We don't really see her talking with

[01:01:54] With Tiffany and Kenzie so much

[01:01:56] Yeah I mean I think it's so hard again

[01:01:58] With no energy no food

[01:02:00] You know or minimal you know it's hard enough

[01:02:02] On survivor so to not have that

[01:02:04] Sustainance then to like have

[01:02:06] To somehow socialize

[01:02:08] And make moves the fact that she did it so

[01:02:10] Beautifully last week was really incredible

[01:02:12] I kind of think that it was because she was

[01:02:14] On Nami right that's why she was sort of

[01:02:16] Left out of this vote you know she had

[01:02:18] A relationship with Hunter that maybe people

[01:02:20] Were concerned with

[01:02:22] And you know they didn't want it to blow up

[01:02:24] Especially when you're thinking about a split vote

[01:02:26] You don't want to you know a few straight

[01:02:28] Votes here could you know send someone else

[01:02:30] Some okay

[01:02:32] Steven anything else from this week

[01:02:34] No

[01:02:36] There's another awesome episode

[01:02:38] Very fun I'm so excited to be back

[01:02:40] Next week with Q talking about the season

[01:02:42] Could you imagine

[01:02:44] You wouldn't get a word in Steven

[01:02:46] That's great just like I'll be there for the ride

[01:02:48] He could coach you up on how to

[01:02:50] Podcast and everything

[01:02:52] Great I love it yeah

[01:02:54] Yeah be very exciting

[01:02:56] Okay so

[01:02:58] Another fun week

[01:03:00] Tomorrow I will be

[01:03:02] Taking calls from the patrons

[01:03:04] We've been doing these

[01:03:06] Friday feedback shows

[01:03:08] The patrons call in 3 o'clock

[01:03:10] Eastern time and we've been going for a couple hours

[01:03:12] Patrons have had really great questions

[01:03:14] Be on the lookout for that and then on Club Condo

[01:03:16] I'll be back with Chappelle

[01:03:18] And Owen and Gabby

[01:03:20] And then we'll talk about all of the fun moments

[01:03:22] From this week on Survivor

[01:03:24] Steven what about the fishy this week

[01:03:26] Oh let's talk about it Rob

[01:03:28] Thanks for bringing that up I don't know

[01:03:30] Who gets the fishy this week

[01:03:32] I mean

[01:03:34] Kenzie

[01:03:36] For like being the one to like so

[01:03:38] Blatantly lie to Hunter Space but we don't know

[01:03:40] We don't know I might keep Kenzie

[01:03:42] I might do Kenzie

[01:03:44] Ben was the one who threw Hunter's name out right

[01:03:46] There wasn't Ben the one who said like

[01:03:48] I've got a couple of nominees for you

[01:03:50] Charlie

[01:03:52] He

[01:03:54] He wins the challenge

[01:03:56] Also he is the person that we know

[01:03:58] At that tribal council

[01:04:00] He is somebody for sure

[01:04:02] We know lying to Hunter's face

[01:04:04] That he is

[01:04:06] Like he's the person

[01:04:08] He also he went to Tiffany

[01:04:10] He found out that Tiffany was going to play her idol

[01:04:12] That's why she didn't

[01:04:14] But he is the one that comes back with that information

[01:04:16] That ultimately ends up changing the

[01:04:18] Direction so I think that you can't go wrong with Charlie

[01:04:20] I also

[01:04:22] Counter argument to that is that Hunter claims he knew

[01:04:24] That the Seagate 3 were voting for him

[01:04:26] Yes okay yes he did say that

[01:04:28] Because Charlie was acting the same way

[01:04:30] To him the way that he was acting to Tevin

[01:04:32] That being said

[01:04:34] I would also make a case for Tiffany

[01:04:36] To get the fishy

[01:04:38] Based off of Hunter's

[01:04:40] Exit Press he said that Tiffany

[01:04:42] Was the person that he

[01:04:44] Did that he read incorrectly

[01:04:46] That was the reason why he didn't play his

[01:04:48] Idol was because that Tiffany

[01:04:50] Said no the vote is Q and he said that Tiffany

[01:04:52] Was

[01:04:54] So serious

[01:04:56] In how her

[01:04:58] Conversation and argument and he said it

[01:05:00] Was a lot worse than what we saw on

[01:05:02] Television how he did that argument

[01:05:04] Was with Q

[01:05:06] She felt he felt like there was

[01:05:08] No way Tiffany wasn't going

[01:05:10] And writing down Q's name

[01:05:12] That's interesting and for Tiffany

[01:05:14] To create that theater

[01:05:16] Which in this way was

[01:05:18] Just a giant distraction to vote out Hunter

[01:05:20] Maybe

[01:05:22] Or was sincere but she still voted out Hunter

[01:05:24] Either way is good either way is like that

[01:05:26] She was like no I like that that's good

[01:05:28] She was so serious

[01:05:30] And so hurt by Q

[01:05:32] And she was able to separate her emotions

[01:05:34] In the game to still vote out Hunter

[01:05:36] That's impressive

[01:05:38] Yeah

[01:05:40] I think that's right

[01:05:42] I think that's right

[01:05:44] You know you could give a contingent

[01:05:46] You know but it's not

[01:05:48] I don't want to get burned again

[01:05:50] Assuming what people are thinking

[01:05:52] Oh yeah

[01:05:54] All right Tiffany I like that

[01:05:56] I love that it's great

[01:05:58] She's a great player and I do feel like

[01:06:00] So many people are talking about

[01:06:02] I feel like Tiffany who's played

[01:06:04] This fantastic game is

[01:06:06] And so she's like

[01:06:08] That's fantastic game

[01:06:10] And so many people had their games

[01:06:12] Absolutely destroyed by Q

[01:06:14] It's just crazy like people were making

[01:06:16] Playing a game thinking that they were playing against us

[01:06:18] You know, sort of type of player

[01:06:20] Like you know Hunter

[01:06:22] Tiffany to a certain degree

[01:06:24] Just absolutely like put so many eggs

[01:06:26] In this one basket and then the basket

[01:06:28] You know says that he wants to quit at tribal council

[01:06:30] Bad basket behavior

[01:06:32] Yep, okay incredible

[01:06:34] Steven what else

[01:06:36] Are you

[01:06:38] You know just

[01:06:40] I'm just gonna be

[01:06:42] Surviving

[01:06:44] Surviving

[01:06:46] All right well fun stuff once again

[01:06:48] We'll be back next Thursday

[01:06:50] For a big episode number

[01:06:52] 10 of

[01:06:54] Survivor so be on the lookout

[01:06:56] For that let me see what else

[01:06:58] I'm gonna go jump on the discord

[01:07:00] If you give me about like 5-10 minutes

[01:07:02] I'm gonna make some coffee and then I'm gonna

[01:07:04] I'm gonna go on the

[01:07:06] Discord chat

[01:07:08] So anybody can jump in and join

[01:07:10] The conversation there should be

[01:07:12] A lot of fun and then of course

[01:07:14] So much else going on

[01:07:16] With deal or no deal island

[01:07:18] That's starting to

[01:07:20] Reach its finale

[01:07:22] In just a couple of weeks

[01:07:24] So jump in there we've been having a lot of fun

[01:07:26] And everything else here on our

[01:07:28] HAP thank you so much for joining us

[01:07:30] And of course I love that yes

[01:07:32] If you want to watch the full Q cameo

[01:07:34] I put it on my twitter

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[01:07:38] And then you can also

[01:07:40] I would love to

[01:07:42] Read what you have to say in the comments also

[01:07:44] Okay and then I also had a fun this week in Survivor

[01:07:46] History versus Brandon Donlan

[01:07:48] Taking Brandon

[01:07:50] Donlan in a little bit of twitch

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[01:07:56] Have a good one bye