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[00:02:33] The Smarter Skies around
[00:02:37] are about to break it down like they want
[00:02:42] The game of million times.
[00:02:46] Well, actually,
[00:02:49] they didn't really win the game at all.
[00:03:19] That's right.
[00:03:20] We're back.
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[00:03:25] Rob's the stream back with Steven Fishback.
[00:03:27] Steven, how are you?
[00:03:28] Good.
[00:03:29] Rob back from Hobnobbing with the Glitterati.
[00:03:32] Mary Ann's wedding.
[00:03:33] I don't even miss a podcast with you.
[00:03:36] That doesn't stop you from Hobnobbing.
[00:03:37] Rob, that's the kind of guy you are.
[00:03:38] You can Hobnobbing podcast at the same time.
[00:03:40] I guess that's true.
[00:03:42] I need to know the truth about Mary Ann, right?
[00:03:44] Sure.
[00:03:45] Because she seems so nice,
[00:03:47] so positive,
[00:03:48] so filled with joy and generosity,
[00:03:51] positive energy.
[00:03:52] Yes.
[00:03:53] It's got to be a facade, right?
[00:03:54] There's an evil there.
[00:03:55] Well, I mean, she has claimed on numerous occasions
[00:03:58] to have killed you and eaten you
[00:04:00] and I didn't even get an invite to the wedding.
[00:04:02] She ate me.
[00:04:03] I was there in her digestive tract.
[00:04:06] Yes.
[00:04:07] I think that I, what a Venn diagram I'm in
[00:04:10] of I think being the only person
[00:04:12] to have been at Mary Ann's wedding and your wedding.
[00:04:15] Wow.
[00:04:16] That's a big one.
[00:04:17] Yes.
[00:04:18] I'm the only person,
[00:04:19] period to have been at your wedding
[00:04:20] and only from the surviving there.
[00:04:21] Well, I mean, there was also Ethan and Jenna.
[00:04:24] Yeah.
[00:04:25] Yeah.
[00:04:26] The only podcaster there.
[00:04:27] Yeah.
[00:04:28] But I also came to the service that I wasn't invited to.
[00:04:30] Yes.
[00:04:31] So that was that.
[00:04:32] Yes.
[00:04:33] Yes.
[00:04:34] So that was impressive.
[00:04:35] Yeah.
[00:04:36] Appreciate it.
[00:04:37] Okay.
[00:04:38] Before we start, I want to say something.
[00:04:39] You know, I'm really excited about this weekend
[00:04:41] is the blood on the clock tower convention
[00:04:44] and here outside Washington in Virginia.
[00:04:47] And I'm going to be there.
[00:04:49] I'm so excited to play the game with,
[00:04:51] you know, or the game multiple times with different people
[00:04:53] and I was corresponding with Dwight Moore
[00:04:55] who's also going to be sure.
[00:04:56] And he was like, oh, yeah, I signed up for this blood
[00:04:59] on the clock tower.
[00:05:00] Our app meetup.
[00:05:01] Yes.
[00:05:02] That's happening there.
[00:05:03] And I was like, what?
[00:05:04] There's an our hat meetup at the blood on the clock tower
[00:05:06] convention where I'm a guest.
[00:05:07] And nobody told me about it.
[00:05:09] Like that's outrageous.
[00:05:10] So to all of you at that our hat meetup
[00:05:13] screw you, please come say hello.
[00:05:15] It would be absolutely joy to meet you.
[00:05:17] But screw you too.
[00:05:18] But bleed do please.
[00:05:20] Please say hi.
[00:05:21] Okay.
[00:05:22] All right.
[00:05:23] To everybody who did not invite Steven.
[00:05:26] Come on.
[00:05:27] Let's do better.
[00:05:28] Maybe they were poisoned.
[00:05:31] Is it possible?
[00:05:32] Is that one of the things?
[00:05:34] Okay.
[00:05:35] Poisoned or drunk?
[00:05:36] Yeah.
[00:05:37] Poisoned or drunk.
[00:05:38] Maybe both.
[00:05:39] All right.
[00:05:40] Okay.
[00:05:41] I appreciate you being here with us today under the circumstances.
[00:05:45] I know about the very sad unfortunate passing of your mentor, O.J. Simpson.
[00:05:50] Oh, God.
[00:05:51] Jesus.
[00:05:52] Really?
[00:05:53] Oh, my God.
[00:05:54] Jesus.
[00:05:55] Joking.
[00:05:56] Wow.
[00:05:57] I'm glad we touched on that cultural.
[00:05:59] I think something that speaks to the our have-oddy.
[00:06:02] Yeah.
[00:06:03] Our have-oddy.
[00:06:04] It's just survivor strategy.
[00:06:05] And O.J.'s passing.
[00:06:06] Yeah.
[00:06:07] All right.
[00:06:08] You know, you know, you all started with blood on the clock tower.
[00:06:11] So I thought there was a segue there.
[00:06:13] I'm not even going to make that.
[00:06:14] Yeah.
[00:06:15] All right.
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[00:07:29] Let's get into it, Steven.
[00:07:30] I thought it was a great survivor night on YouTube.
[00:07:31] You tweeted the best episode of the season.
[00:07:34] Yeah.
[00:07:35] Is that do you stand by that?
[00:07:36] Yeah, I stand by that.
[00:07:37] Yeah, I think probably the second best episode was the premiere.
[00:07:40] Yeah, great premiere.
[00:07:41] Yeah.
[00:07:43] But I think this was better.
[00:07:44] Yeah, tell me about it.
[00:07:45] I agree with you, but give me that passion.
[00:07:48] Well, I just felt like that this was the first time we had an interesting vote in this
[00:07:52] season.
[00:07:53] Yeah.
[00:07:53] It depends on some people watch survivor for different reasons.
[00:07:58] I think that the thing that appeals to both you and I as the survivor know it all are
[00:08:03] the interesting voting dynamics and the human drama that comes out of it.
[00:08:09] And I felt like that we had not one but two interesting tribal councils.
[00:08:14] Yeah, they were both, and they were both, you know, I didn't know.
[00:08:16] I mean, it's a great testament to the, I don't know if it's testament to the game being
[00:08:20] played because of the both decisions were questionable, which we're here to question them.
[00:08:24] But you know, I didn't know either who was going on.
[00:08:27] Yeah, I thought it was definitely, I thought soda, but I wasn't sure soda.
[00:08:31] And I was really, I did not know at all if it was going to be, you know,
[00:08:34] yeah.
[00:08:34] Or in my notes I had written I think 80% Ben 20% Tim.
[00:08:40] I felt like that the edit was pretty clear about that.
[00:08:43] It was going, it was a blindside to soda, but I feel like that one was not a blindside to
[00:08:47] the audience.
[00:08:48] Right.
[00:08:48] Right.
[00:08:49] Right.
[00:08:49] I think it had a lot of soda.
[00:08:51] It would have been a blindside to the audience.
[00:08:52] Yeah.
[00:08:53] I mean, we would have like understood the Venus vote.
[00:08:56] But, but otherwise I think yes, that would have been, but yeah,
[00:08:59] that the Tim and Ben one, I mean, they really, you know, Ben is like cool vibe
[00:09:03] energy of being okay with being the decoy boot.
[00:09:06] Like never do that.
[00:09:07] My gosh, don't be cool.
[00:09:09] Mm hmm.
[00:09:10] Yeah.
[00:09:10] Yeah, they're really like flummoxed Q and Tiffany.
[00:09:12] Like they're like, what is cool with that?
[00:09:15] Yeah.
[00:09:15] I was a little confused by the Q and Tiffany talk because I felt like that Tiffany was
[00:09:21] kind of, I know that they, Tiffany and Kenzie accused Q of flip flopping,
[00:09:25] but I wasn't sure exactly what Tiffany's point was.
[00:09:28] I got that Tiffany originally wanted to vote out Ben, but I wasn't sure what she was
[00:09:33] trying to say about when Ben said, look, I'm just going to, you know, I'll vote for Hunter.
[00:09:38] And if you place something whatever, I'm fine with that.
[00:09:41] And she got on cue like you're a sucker if you believe that.
[00:09:44] Yeah.
[00:09:44] And I think my understanding, my guess is that she was saying, you know,
[00:09:48] anyone who pretends they're cool with it is not cool with it.
[00:09:51] So he's got some, you know, some firepower he's got without.
[00:09:54] He's got something to play tonight.
[00:09:56] And he's, you know, you're a sucker.
[00:09:57] And I think Q's perspective was just that he didn't like being called a sucker.
[00:10:01] I don't think yes, certainly did not like that.
[00:10:03] So but do you think that that's why then he switched it back to Tim?
[00:10:07] Well, I mean, what was weird was like the argument that it should be Ben because he
[00:10:11] was so cool with it is odd sense.
[00:10:15] Then theoretically if he's going to play something, you don't want the votes on him, right?
[00:10:19] So if anything, like that would sort of induce you to put the, and I wonder if that factored
[00:10:24] into their calculations.
[00:10:26] Yeah, over Tim.
[00:10:27] Yeah.
[00:10:27] What did you, what I mean?
[00:10:28] I guess that's what you're talking about.
[00:10:29] What did you make of the Tim?
[00:10:30] Is that the right call?
[00:10:31] The Tim vote?
[00:10:33] No, I think well, it depends on from whose perspective.
[00:10:36] I feel like that from there were some winners and losers.
[00:10:39] Obviously, I thought that first and foremost, I thought the Q made a very bad decision to
[00:10:44] have Tim be the person to go home.
[00:10:47] But I would love to get your reaction.
[00:10:50] All right.
[00:10:51] Did you have, did you have a strong opinion?
[00:10:53] Do you want me to talk about why I thought about it?
[00:10:54] No, no, no.
[00:10:55] I was, yes.
[00:10:56] Yeah.
[00:10:57] So first of all, I felt like with both of these tribal councils, I felt like the big takeaway
[00:11:04] from the episode was that sometimes you just do the first order obvious thing.
[00:11:08] You know, like sometimes just do the simple plan.
[00:11:10] You don't need to have the third tier plan.
[00:11:12] Stay, it's day whatever.
[00:11:14] It's day 14.
[00:11:15] 14.
[00:11:16] You don't need to be going, you know, and I feel like that's, I mean, we talk about this
[00:11:20] almost every week because that's like one of the big flaws of contemporary survival.
[00:11:23] There's a very straightforward plan and nobody wants to do it.
[00:11:26] And you know, Julie last season was one of the rare people who was like,
[00:11:28] Hey, we've got an obvious target.
[00:11:30] Let's vote out that person.
[00:11:31] And that's that's everyone's like, no, we've already kind of like mentally
[00:11:34] digested that.
[00:11:35] And now we got to go, you know, a few, a few people down the line because like,
[00:11:38] we're sitting here and we're really bored.
[00:11:41] That being said, I think I initially had the perspective that Ben was the right call
[00:11:46] to vote out in that spot.
[00:11:49] Obviously there's a rationale to vote out Hunter.
[00:11:51] He's got a lot of allies that are not sitting next to him right now.
[00:11:54] He's a huge challenge threat.
[00:11:56] It did seem like there was a little bit of ego from Q's perspective of like, well,
[00:11:59] you know, someone's going to beat him, like me,
[00:12:02] through the channels today.
[00:12:03] Certainly.
[00:12:04] Yeah.
[00:12:05] But I do think there's a lot of rationale to vote out Hunter.
[00:12:07] But like from Q's perspective, Hunter is working with him.
[00:12:11] And I did feel like Tim was so weasley sometimes about, you know, the plans.
[00:12:19] And I do think that someone who is not giving you a straight answer consistently
[00:12:24] when you don't feel solid with them, there is a good rationale to vote that person
[00:12:29] out where it did seem like with Tim, you know, with the whole Maria thing at the
[00:12:33] merge.
[00:12:33] He's like, oh, it's sort of brought Maria in and then Tim was annoyed that they went
[00:12:37] and spoke to Maria without him, which he said in his exits that he was kind of annoyed
[00:12:41] with Q and Hunter for, you know, going to talk to Maria, like as though they can't
[00:12:47] establish that connection by themselves.
[00:12:49] Um, I mean, obviously, I mean, Tim also revealed in his exits that he, you know,
[00:12:53] his actual number one was Ben, but he didn't want to give that number one.
[00:12:57] And totally legitimate, you know, train of thought for him.
[00:13:02] Like I've just met these people.
[00:13:03] Why am I going to give away all of my like alliances for nothing?
[00:13:07] But I do think that's the kind of thing that people can pick up on.
[00:13:10] Like if you are being cagey, I think people are going to sense that cageiness.
[00:13:13] And then most of all, I mean, he was obviously stomping for the Seagas.
[00:13:17] You know, he was trying to preserve that Seagal group.
[00:13:20] And I feel like, you know, from Q's perspective, if Tim is not going to get on board
[00:13:26] with the plan and he's going to consistently be pushing back, there is a pretty
[00:13:30] strong rationale.
[00:13:31] And he's almost working like through subterfuge to just get rid of him because
[00:13:38] it's almost better in some ways to have someone like Ben who seems more obvious
[00:13:43] and more likely to be a target, I guess than Tim who is supposedly working with you.
[00:13:50] But like you can't, you can't pin him down.
[00:13:52] You want to be able to pin people down.
[00:13:53] Yeah.
[00:13:55] And I don't know.
[00:13:56] But obviously, like on the other hand, you tell me the other hand, why should it have been Ben?
[00:13:59] Okay.
[00:14:00] Well, you touched on so many different interesting things just to circle back to Tim's exit press.
[00:14:07] And so I had the chance to talk to Tim.
[00:14:10] I also read Mike's interview with Tim and Tim that as we were sort of speculating last night
[00:14:20] that maybe, you know, Tim didn't really feel comfortable enough with these guys
[00:14:24] to give his real number one.
[00:14:27] And so he said, his real number one is Ben, but he says Maria.
[00:14:31] He told me that well, the Q asked who do you trust?
[00:14:34] And I trust Maria.
[00:14:35] And so that's why he said Maria, but he didn't go back and tell her about this plan
[00:14:38] because then in his mind, I don't know if this is real or not.
[00:14:42] And it annoyed him that the guys that that Q went to Maria and said, Hey, did Tim tell you about the plan?
[00:14:47] He's like, Hey, that's my thing to tell her about.
[00:14:51] And so he had a chance yet a chance.
[00:14:53] He had a chance.
[00:14:54] But I think that this was a case that shirt Tim's guard was up too much where I think this was a real
[00:15:00] offer that was on the table.
[00:15:02] And I think that Tim kind of missed it because that he was so wary about making
[00:15:08] the and I mentioned this with Tim that in his interview before the season,
[00:15:12] he told Mike that he thought that, you know, Jesse's mistake was he told Gabler
[00:15:17] too much information.
[00:15:18] And he wasn't going to do that.
[00:15:19] He was going to sort of like play it close to the vest all season.
[00:15:23] He couldn't trust anybody.
[00:15:25] And so that for we know at home that, okay, Q really wanted to do this
[00:15:30] and maybe him and Maria are five and six in the plus one alliance.
[00:15:33] It's ultimately, it's a bad deal.
[00:15:35] But I feel like that for Tim there was no seagull to go back to and from Tim's perspective,
[00:15:42] you got to look over at the other tribe and see for Nami, especially he's so worried about the
[00:15:46] Nami numbers.
[00:15:47] For Nami, Maria's immune Charlie is the most likely person to have gone home at that
[00:15:52] other tribal council.
[00:15:53] I think he's got to be all in with what Q wants to do at that point.
[00:15:57] Like say, Hey, how about?
[00:15:59] How about Hunter and Q says no, no, no, it's got to be Ben.
[00:16:02] I think at that point like, all right, Ben, it was nice to know you.
[00:16:06] And I know that he was he was his number one, but ultimately I think cost Tim the game.
[00:16:11] Yeah.
[00:16:12] I mean, it was unquestionably.
[00:16:13] It was a bad read from Tim's perspective.
[00:16:15] I'm going to Q next.
[00:16:17] Yeah.
[00:16:17] Okay.
[00:16:18] From Q's perspective that I get it that, you know, Q did not like it that Tim
[00:16:25] was not on board with the plus one alliance.
[00:16:28] But if you vote out, Ben, where is Tim going that he's going back to the,
[00:16:34] the smoldering rubble of Seagah after this?
[00:16:39] Yeah.
[00:16:41] I know I think that's a very good argument.
[00:16:43] Like I think that that's that's it.
[00:16:44] Like you isolate your allies and so that they have no other options but to vote with
[00:16:50] you.
[00:16:51] You do think there'll be somewhat of a shield for Q.
[00:16:54] I mean, if you're Q, you got to kind of like the whole idea of the plus one alliance was
[00:16:58] to hide behind sort of these big challenge winning guys.
[00:17:03] And so why am I going to like because now I thought I had this plus one alliance.
[00:17:08] Tim's not super into it.
[00:17:10] But now maybe once we get rid of Ben, we still have Tim and Maria's vote.
[00:17:16] But now we've also kind of cut off access to Maria also.
[00:17:20] Yeah.
[00:17:20] Right.
[00:17:20] That's interesting.
[00:17:21] If they, if they believe that there is, I mean, although
[00:17:24] I don't know, even last episode though, I did get the sense that Q had, you know,
[00:17:27] well, you're saying Maria Maria doesn't know anything about this.
[00:17:30] Like that's just not someone you necessarily want to, you know, play with, right?
[00:17:34] Who's like, they're telling you things and the thing, the things that they're saying aren't
[00:17:37] adding up and you can't rely on the things they're saying.
[00:17:41] I mean, I see, I hear you that like Ben is the more obvious choice.
[00:17:45] And I sort of agree with that.
[00:17:46] I think that probably it's like a 6040 or even a 70 third of that you've,
[00:17:48] they should have gotten Ben because he doesn't have any kind of working relationship with Q.
[00:17:52] It seems like, you know, he has a, you know, Ben and Q of this chat.
[00:17:55] It doesn't seem like they're like bouncing ideas back and forth in the way that Tim and Q are.
[00:18:01] And but he was kind of a straight shooter with Q, which I think means a lot to Q.
[00:18:05] Well, that's exactly it.
[00:18:06] That's it.
[00:18:07] And I think that like with with Tim, it's always, you know, he's kind of always couching things.
[00:18:11] He's got his other, you know, his, his other, you know, perspective, his other ambition,
[00:18:16] you know, and I think that that I do think players can, can pick up on that.
[00:18:19] You know, I think you know, you got to really finesse that in a way that Tim obviously was not doing.
[00:18:26] Yeah.
[00:18:27] I thought it was a really great night and a great move ultimately for Kenzie who I think that we saw
[00:18:34] really one over Ben in this episode.
[00:18:37] And the fact that he sticks around, I think is going to be an important number for Kenzie potentially.
[00:18:44] Right.
[00:18:44] That seemed like a real human bond.
[00:18:45] And those are the kind of things that are very rare and excuse me, hard to come by.
[00:18:50] Here's an interesting, I was talking to Drew Beseal.
[00:18:55] Wow.
[00:18:55] And yeah, what do you mean?
[00:18:56] He was dropped.
[00:18:57] Yeah.
[00:18:58] And he was saying that I was like, you know, I was saying like here's my perspective on the new era.
[00:19:03] Like tell me why I'm wrong or tell me, you know, and he agreed about some of the structural things like,
[00:19:07] you know, two moves, you know, it disincentivized risk taking, you know, around the merge and in this,
[00:19:13] in this travel.
[00:19:14] But like one thing he said that I thought was really smart was that he actually felt like the shorter game structure
[00:19:20] meant that their, that friendships were more of an issue.
[00:19:23] Like people were more tightly bonded with each other because they don't close to get sick of each other.
[00:19:27] And I thought that was really like an interesting perspective because I definitely fell 39 days.
[00:19:31] Like I hated all those people.
[00:19:32] I never wanted to see them again.
[00:19:34] But 26 days you're not like tired of them yet.
[00:19:37] And I actually kind of think there's something to that.
[00:19:39] You know, there's still some relationship.
[00:19:40] It's interesting.
[00:19:40] These relationships.
[00:19:41] Yeah.
[00:19:41] Yeah.
[00:19:42] I mean, it's hard to say like I feel like that the bonds were still pretty close in the Amazon
[00:19:48] around a 20-ish or whatever.
[00:19:51] And then you were pretty successful but 39.
[00:19:54] So I don't know if that's the circumstances of the game or what?
[00:19:58] And I think it's hard to tell for somebody who's only played, you know, the 26 day game version
[00:20:02] to know what it would be like in 39 days.
[00:20:05] But I'm so fascinated by your friendship with a droop of seal.
[00:20:08] I was just the first time we ever spoke.
[00:20:10] I wanted to like, I touch base with him.
[00:20:12] Like it was right after in the finale of his season, he like dropped that like amazing
[00:20:17] Thomas Maun analogy.
[00:20:19] Like out of the blue, right?
[00:20:21] Let's get audience.
[00:20:22] Oh my gosh.
[00:20:23] I will also, I mean, but like Jeff was like drew like some up this season
[00:20:27] with a perfect literary analogy and he was like no problem.
[00:20:31] So I had reached out to him after that and we just hadn't connected yet.
[00:20:36] Yeah.
[00:20:36] Okay.
[00:20:38] Very interesting.
[00:20:39] So boy Hunter is like gold.
[00:20:46] Like in a really good spot that for Hunter, like I, I, you know, I got this from Tim
[00:20:53] like, you Tim is right.
[00:20:55] Like in, in this is like Bizarre world what's going on?
[00:21:00] Hunter is the person that should go home.
[00:21:03] Everybody should look at Hunter and say, okay, this guy and they don't even know
[00:21:06] he has an idol.
[00:21:07] Yeah.
[00:21:08] Even know that.
[00:21:09] But like this is me shield 101.
[00:21:11] I mean, you could take out Hunter.
[00:21:13] Excuse me.
[00:21:14] Would be really sloppy.
[00:21:16] Mm hmm.
[00:21:17] Yeah.
[00:21:18] But like I get where Tim's coming from.
[00:21:22] So like, like I don't want to say that, you know, Tim did a horrible job.
[00:21:28] So like I get it.
[00:21:29] Why?
[00:21:30] But in these circumstances, like it is what it is.
[00:21:33] But for Hunter, who's going to stop him?
[00:21:37] Yeah.
[00:21:38] I mean, someone he's not going to win every, he's not going to win out.
[00:21:40] He didn't win today's challenge.
[00:21:41] Yeah.
[00:21:42] Yeah.
[00:21:43] Where do you think the next target is going to be?
[00:21:46] Hmm.
[00:21:46] That's a tough one.
[00:21:48] Who is, I mean, it does seem like Q is sort of accumulating ill will among everybody.
[00:21:54] So he's certainly like a possible target.
[00:21:56] And it treats the point in the game where you've got, you know, you've got three
[00:21:59] seagulls left.
[00:22:01] You've got, you know, four Nami, right?
[00:22:03] But, but, um, you know, one of them is Venus.
[00:22:05] It's interesting that, you know, you have three on who three seagulls and four Nami,
[00:22:13] but really three Nami and Venus like it's very interesting the way it is split
[00:22:19] into three, three, three NVNs.
[00:22:21] Yeah.
[00:22:22] So the, but the Yannos aren't in quite this like great spot anymore.
[00:22:26] Now we've definitely seen in the past that once that sort of, you know, in season,
[00:22:31] in season 44 like once you've got that three in the middle then everyone is sort
[00:22:34] of like stuck, bickering back and forth.
[00:22:36] But I wonder if this game does not play like that because, you know, there doesn't
[00:22:41] seem to be that intensity of like the Nami Siga rivalry in the way that there was,
[00:22:46] you know, in, in, in four.
[00:22:46] Well, Tim seemed to be the person who was really pushing the Nami Siga alliance
[00:22:51] or the rivalry.
[00:22:53] But it's, it's so fascinating that these people just watch survivor 44.
[00:22:57] And I think that they would be a little bit more concerned about this Yannu three
[00:23:01] and less concerned about the infighting between the tribes.
[00:23:04] But for Tim, that certainly was not top of mind for him.
[00:23:07] I want to know from you we saw that Kenzie and Tiffany said in this episode,
[00:23:11] look, I'm not so sure that we can make things work with Q for much longer.
[00:23:18] Is it a good move or a bad move for Tiffany and Kenzie to start considering getting rid
[00:23:26] of Q?
[00:23:27] I mean, start considering is so nebulous, right?
[00:23:29] Should they like vote Q out next episode?
[00:23:32] Like that's probably a little bit more.
[00:23:35] But I do think that nobody, you know, Q is so vocal and so much takes ownership of these
[00:23:40] moves. And I do think, right?
[00:23:42] I mean, we've talked about this in contemporary survivor.
[00:23:44] You do need to have like, hey, this is what I did.
[00:23:47] And if everyone thinks that you were Q sidekick, you're not going to be able to get to the end.
[00:23:51] Right.
[00:23:52] I didn't even consider that.
[00:23:53] Yeah.
[00:23:54] And go ahead.
[00:23:55] Well, I'm starting to think that and while like we haven't even talked about the soda vote,
[00:24:01] I am starting to think that for Tiffany and Kenzie, it might be a good idea.
[00:24:08] And maybe not even to be the people who lead the blind side.
[00:24:12] But if the blind side is coming for Q,
[00:24:16] maybe, I mean, Tiffany don't play your idol.
[00:24:19] Maybe get on board with it.
[00:24:21] Maybe help sell it because that I think that the threat level of the Yannu three versus
[00:24:28] the threat of Kenzie and Tiffany, Kenzie and Tiffany, I feel like can really operate
[00:24:34] under the like Q calling the shots, Yannu three.
[00:24:38] I think that their huge targets from the other players in the game.
[00:24:43] Yeah.
[00:24:43] I mean, the only challenge is that it does seem like a lot of the relationships are,
[00:24:47] I mean, from at least what we've seen, I mean, Q is really dynamic television,
[00:24:50] whether you like him or not.
[00:24:51] I mean, he's definitely like dynamic.
[00:24:53] And so we see a lot of him and you know, from what we've seen, a lot of the relationships
[00:24:56] are kind of filtered through Q because he takes up all the oxygen.
[00:25:00] I mean, there's no, there's no room for anybody else, but like,
[00:25:03] so we have all these other players who are not sort of like the heavy hitters in that
[00:25:08] you still have been, you have Liz.
[00:25:11] You have Venus who is still out there.
[00:25:14] Don't forget about Maria and Charlie and where are they going?
[00:25:18] Like don't like don't you feel like that any of those people are sort of ripe for
[00:25:21] the picking for Kenzie and Tiffany to potentially pick up and work with.
[00:25:26] But like they're no longer that I mean, I mean,
[00:25:28] the closest parallel that immediately speaks to my mind is when sort of Carla kind
[00:25:31] of like gave the go ahead for, you know, eliminating James.
[00:25:34] Carla didn't win that season.
[00:25:36] But she was one.
[00:25:37] What?
[00:25:38] She was still one.
[00:25:39] Well, she had Cassidy.
[00:25:40] I mean, she had Carla and Cassidy and James and then they kind of like go James
[00:25:43] and then they lose, you know, they're thinking like I got to get out of the spotlight
[00:25:46] of this guy.
[00:25:47] He's the major force here.
[00:25:49] And you know, then they have a lot less leverage because they just let their number
[00:25:52] when I go and suddenly they don't have the room to operate that some of the other
[00:25:57] the bigger groups do.
[00:25:58] And I think that's got to be a persistent concern, right?
[00:26:01] Like ultimately if you have three people together and I hear you,
[00:26:04] like there's a lot to be said for while we can like wheel and deal here.
[00:26:07] But like if they're less, I mean, now they've got this tight block that's voting
[00:26:12] together, whatever you call that.
[00:26:15] And then, you know, people it creates, you know, even tonight, right?
[00:26:19] The leverage was there because it was the three of them together.
[00:26:21] It's super interesting where we are right now.
[00:26:23] That's why I'm very high coming out.
[00:26:26] Well, high on the season coming out of this episode.
[00:26:28] And I just wonder if Q is going to be starting to like build like
[00:26:32] animosity towards him.
[00:26:34] How much of that ultimately ends up rubbing off on to Tiffany and Kenzie?
[00:26:39] Yeah.
[00:26:40] Um, I mean, again, like I don't think it like isn't that again, like don't you kind
[00:26:43] of want Q absorbing all that hostility?
[00:26:45] I mean, looks, I would be annoyed if someone was and I wasn't annoyed in the
[00:26:48] my past games when like someone is like dictating to me the moves that I'm allowed
[00:26:51] to make.
[00:26:52] And there is good reason to get rid of someone for that reason.
[00:26:54] So you can sort of like own your game just so you can have fun.
[00:26:57] You know, I mean, like part of the fun of survivors playing survivor,
[00:26:59] if someone telling you what you have to vote for and like what you're allowed to do,
[00:27:02] that's not fun.
[00:27:04] But I mean, I see it both ways.
[00:27:06] Yeah.
[00:27:06] No decision.
[00:27:07] I don't think that it's going to happen at the final 10.
[00:27:11] I don't think it will be this week, but I do think that it's something that
[00:27:15] they should be really looking at sooner than later.
[00:27:18] Yeah.
[00:27:18] What do you?
[00:27:19] So you think the upside is just like this gives them kind of room to move.
[00:27:23] I mean, it is true that with like Nami being so fractured that, you know,
[00:27:27] it's less of a threat, you know, with with the chaos.
[00:27:31] But it looks like, you know, Tevin Hunter and Liz are operating together.
[00:27:35] And there's reason to think that, you know, Charlie, Maria and maybe, maybe Ben will operate
[00:27:40] together.
[00:27:41] But so I don't know.
[00:27:42] I would be a little nervous about that.
[00:27:45] Yeah.
[00:27:45] It's so interesting with the three threes that are there.
[00:27:49] Do you think that potentially the three threes end up deciding?
[00:27:53] Okay.
[00:27:54] Let's just let's just pause and we'll go for Venus this week.
[00:27:57] Yeah.
[00:27:58] But when are you ever like, I think not because I think they have clocked.
[00:28:01] Everyone's line is like, I know she is.
[00:28:03] She's not going to like make a huge impact and, um, you know, that's what people are saying.
[00:28:08] Whether or not it's true.
[00:28:09] Um, and I'm not worried about her right now.
[00:28:13] And so I think that especially as you get into the later half of the game these days,
[00:28:18] it's like, what is the thing?
[00:28:19] What is the sparkly thing right in front of me?
[00:28:22] Yeah.
[00:28:23] I guess where I think it's going to go for at least this week is, I think that one more
[00:28:27] Sega is going to go home.
[00:28:29] Uh, and maybe, and maybe it's been, uh, ultimately maybe it's Charlie or Maria,
[00:28:34] but I kind of feel like that post, uh, post Tim that I think there's still the plus ones
[00:28:40] of, of the, uh, Hunter and Tevin plus Tiffany and Q.
[00:28:47] They still have that bond.
[00:28:49] And I wonder maybe, uh, is, is this the week that they come back around and go for Maria?
[00:28:54] Yeah.
[00:28:54] I also see the world where Q is the next, the next vote where people have just, you know,
[00:28:58] we saw it.
[00:28:59] I mean, we've seen so many people basically saying the same thing.
[00:29:01] You know, I don't want to be bossed around by Q here.
[00:29:04] Um, you know, we saw that from Charlie obviously.
[00:29:06] Yeah.
[00:29:07] Um, which was a funny thing, you know, um, but, but yeah.
[00:29:11] So I think I mean, I can very much, even just from a pure story perspective
[00:29:15] because we're seeing it pop so much I can see Q being at the very least of real
[00:29:19] significant target in the next episode.
[00:29:21] Let's go to that other tribal council, the second group, uh, the group that put
[00:29:26] somebody on the jury.
[00:29:28] Uh, and it was, this is where I feel they screwed it up.
[00:29:31] Yes.
[00:29:32] Go ahead.
[00:29:32] No tell me, tell us how they screwed it up.
[00:29:34] Well, this is the one where I think it's more straightforward.
[00:29:36] Like the obvious target was Charlie.
[00:29:39] And then I think people get complicated.
[00:29:41] You know, they're like, uh, Charlie's too obvious.
[00:29:42] We got it.
[00:29:42] We got to like turn on ourselves.
[00:29:44] I've got to get my big move.
[00:29:45] You know, I got to have my resume and then they turn on their allies.
[00:29:48] And you know, during the episode, both Kevin and soda said, Oh, you know,
[00:29:54] I trust Charlie, Charlie's loyal.
[00:29:57] Charlie's on the other tribe.
[00:29:58] If he's loyal, he's not loyal to you.
[00:30:00] You know, he's not loyal to Nami if Charlie is loyal.
[00:30:03] If Charlie is loyal to you, then he's not a loyal player.
[00:30:06] Like there's a little bit of a paradox there.
[00:30:08] Um, and I feel like a, you know, nobody, he's, he's so, I feel like that.
[00:30:13] She's like just saying those words.
[00:30:14] Someone should've been like, wait a second.
[00:30:16] Like if I think he's loyal, yeah, everybody else thinks he's loyal.
[00:30:19] Maybe I should do something about that, you know, and he was right there such a safe vote.
[00:30:24] Um, you know, he's, he's obviously a very beguiling, thoughtful, strategic, savvy player.
[00:30:30] Um, just get rid of him.
[00:30:32] Like take him out.
[00:30:33] Yeah.
[00:30:33] You got him dead to rights.
[00:30:35] Don't turn on your actual allies before you eliminate your enemies.
[00:30:40] Okay.
[00:30:41] Uh, agreed on, on, on don't take out soda.
[00:30:45] Um, I'm not sure if the right move is Charlie or Venus there, uh, for the original Nami members.
[00:30:52] But let me then get your opinion on something because this has been a little bit polarizing where
[00:30:58] of course last night at a great podcast with Caleb from last season and I talked about how
[00:31:05] this was Kevin's move.
[00:31:08] Kevin himself said no.
[00:31:11] This was not Venus's move.
[00:31:14] This was Kevin's move.
[00:31:15] And I've been getting some pushback today.
[00:31:18] I don't understand.
[00:31:19] People telling me, hey, Rob, hey idiot, Kevin voted for Venus.
[00:31:27] More on?
[00:31:29] It's so crazy because when people don't split the votes and something goes wrong,
[00:31:33] people are you these idiots didn't split the votes.
[00:31:35] Kevin was pretty transparently putting a vote on Venus in case soda plateers shot on the dark.
[00:31:43] If soda plateers shot on the dark and did not vote for Venus, then there would have been no
[00:31:48] vote.
[00:31:49] So if so does, you know, if it propped and then there would be no votes and Kevin would have been vulnerable.
[00:31:52] So he was very clearly playing defensively.
[00:31:55] I mean, the narrative that we saw and, you know, what we see on our TV is maybe different from truth,
[00:32:00] you know, but we're not, you know, we're not holy.
[00:32:02] We're not the almighty.
[00:32:03] We do not have that.
[00:32:04] We're not Matt McLaggan and Jeff Probst.
[00:32:07] We're not God.
[00:32:08] We do not have that lens on the universe.
[00:32:10] What we saw was Kevin said, I want to do this blind side.
[00:32:14] I want to vote out soda.
[00:32:15] Here is the plan.
[00:32:16] He gets everybody in the plan.
[00:32:17] What we also saw was Venus say, I want to do this blind side.
[00:32:20] I want to vote out soda, but nobody wants to work with Venus.
[00:32:23] So she has the same plan, but everybody else is kind of like, I don't trust you.
[00:32:27] I don't want to co-sign this.
[00:32:29] And it was interesting.
[00:32:30] I mean, I actually thought that was a really interesting dynamic.
[00:32:33] How Venus is pushing this plan.
[00:32:36] But Maria and Charlie are saying, I can't really commit to that with you.
[00:32:41] And I thought because like even if they were already planning on voting out soda,
[00:32:46] I think, and this is pure speculation,
[00:32:48] that they did not want, you know, to sort of like co-sign something with Venus.
[00:32:52] And then have her running around the island being like, I've got Charlie and Maria with me.
[00:32:56] And that kind of like spooking, Tevin and, you know, Tevin in that situation.
[00:33:01] And maybe I can come up with that.
[00:33:02] No, I think that's an accurate read, especially for a player like Charlie
[00:33:06] who is most vulnerable.
[00:33:08] I was like, okay, I've got a good thing going.
[00:33:11] I don't want to screw this up.
[00:33:14] No thank you, Venus.
[00:33:15] I'm out.
[00:33:17] Oh, well.
[00:33:17] Exactly.
[00:33:19] Yeah.
[00:33:19] All right.
[00:33:20] Well, that's your funeral.
[00:33:23] Yeah, I mean the narrative we saw again, who knows.
[00:33:26] We can pray and like maybe receive inspiration about this.
[00:33:29] But was that Tevin came up with this plan?
[00:33:31] Tevin enacted the plan.
[00:33:33] Venus also had the same plan but Venus was not able to get the traction.
[00:33:36] The votes came out.
[00:33:37] Everyone voted for soda except for soda.
[00:33:40] And Tevin whose vote makes perfect sense from a defensive perspective.
[00:33:45] I mean, like this season 46 people split the votes.
[00:33:48] People it's like come on.
[00:33:50] Yeah.
[00:33:51] Where like what on earth are you guys like even now?
[00:33:54] Got a question.
[00:33:55] Setting the pace.
[00:33:56] Pacer's podcast and we appreciate the question.
[00:33:58] Are we 100% sure Tevin knew that soda was going home.
[00:34:02] Feels like maybe Charlie and Maria went that way because Venus is not
[00:34:05] Nami strong and soda is if Tevin knew this was not a smart move.
[00:34:09] I'm not debating the last part.
[00:34:11] Yeah, I mean it's pot.
[00:34:12] I agree with a second half that like for Tevin to vote out soda is a question of choice.
[00:34:17] Yes, you got Charlie right there.
[00:34:18] I get the like fear you know like Tevin has gotten it in his head from like the pre
[00:34:23] the pre-march days like soda is like the social player.
[00:34:26] Soda's a threat, you know soda could be my big move showing I'm playing hard.
[00:34:30] There's also a possibility that that that he was doing damage control right?
[00:34:34] Like he doesn't want soda to know that he voted for her.
[00:34:37] It's like a tricky like if that's the case though like then is it really his big move anyway
[00:34:40] that's like but I am willing to bet a lot of money that Tevin was totally in on it.
[00:34:47] I guess there's a scenario where maybe did he promise I'll never write your name down like
[00:34:53] is there like some sort of like situation where like he knew she was going home but then tried to
[00:34:59] like have his cake and eat it too. So there's that possibility also but I think that you are
[00:35:05] the your theory is Occam's razor of why that that's the case but in terms of like whether or not
[00:35:10] Tevin should have made this move. Yeah I mean look I get the difficult situation that a player
[00:35:21] is in in the new era. Your Tevin it's day 14 you have no resume move to speak of.
[00:35:27] You're closer to the end of the game than you are to the beginning and you're thinking about hey
[00:35:32] what can I even say at the final tribal council when people say Tevin what did you do in this game?
[00:35:37] It's day 14. I think he designed like hey I need to put like a belt up on the wall. I need
[00:35:44] so a big move on my resume. I blindsided people along the way and then he might be saying I don't
[00:35:50] know when I'll have another opportunity to do this. And so that's something that's I mean that
[00:35:55] that is true and especially if he's looking at the dynamics of the game where he is in this like
[00:35:58] six person alliance and like you know when am I going to get the chance if it goes down to six
[00:36:03] and it's us you know by chance you know and it actually stays strong then we've got you know
[00:36:08] fire and then there's like no there's nothing there's no opportunity to distinguish myself so I mean
[00:36:14] is that a good strategy what's your take for Tevin yeah see I think that for Tevin
[00:36:21] if I'm putting myself into Tevin's position I want to have options. I sure I want to keep the
[00:36:27] plus one but I also want to try to keep and this is like what Tim was thinking last week was I
[00:36:33] also want to keep my numbers off on the side so that I could potentially go with the six or
[00:36:41] go with my Nami people and maybe you know if soda is still around then we get down to seven and
[00:36:46] maybe I could like flip something around with soda. I may not want to sit with soda at the end of
[00:36:51] the game but I'd like to keep her as a number. I mean soda was completely loyal to Tevin and the hunter
[00:36:58] yeah is there a world where one of the things that Tevin wanted to do was to isolate Venus where
[00:37:06] you know the one person who seemed to really she had this relationship with soda we're obviously
[00:37:11] they were bickering a lot but then they would go off right and then like Tevin had this
[00:37:14] confessional the start of the episode like they those two have some some like kooky relationship
[00:37:18] where like I mean I saw this token chains with like Sierra and coach they hated each other they
[00:37:22] but like you know there was this great like moment when Sierra was like Sierra Reed was like you know
[00:37:26] what do you do to the noble enemy you know like they're they had this kind of like tension where
[00:37:30] like you could see a world where these two are kind of like getting together so and you want
[00:37:34] you know you were very astute to the threat of Romeo and yeah I see something.
[00:37:40] Yeah um and you know is there a world where they where they're worried about that kind of
[00:37:45] situation with like a soda and a Venus coming together as the people were outside.
[00:37:51] I don't think so and based off of what soda was saying in her ex-apress that really
[00:37:58] that she was a little bit of the soda whisperer that he was having.
[00:38:02] I'm sorry the Venus was soda was the Venus whisperer where that Tevin you know there was a personality
[00:38:08] conflict and so I don't think it was that hey I am stealing Venus away from soda she'll be my
[00:38:16] person now I don't think that like I think that if it comes up Venus as a potential person to go
[00:38:22] home I think that the three nominees will vote to send her out of the game. Oh no I wasn't saying
[00:38:28] that Tevin was trying to you know isolate Venus as ally but more just like negate the possibility
[00:38:34] that these two people who have some kind of thing and you know soda being the Venus whisperer
[00:38:39] suggests that they are simpatico to some degree. But I think that that had sort of
[00:38:43] waned from like the early stages of the game when she when soda and Venus had a little bit
[00:38:47] of a better working relationship. No I think that's right I just wanted to raise the possibility.
[00:38:52] It's so funny. Go ahead. I do want to talk about Tevin just a little bit where I think Tevin
[00:38:56] made the wrong decision last night. I do love watching Tevin play the game and I think he's
[00:39:02] like has like in these conversations that we've seen him have strategically which we haven't seen
[00:39:07] Nami talk a lot of strategy. He's he presents things in such interesting ways as a survivor
[00:39:15] player where when he talked the Liz he framed it as like so we have the votes we could go ahead
[00:39:23] and we could take out Venus like that's that's something like a that's something that we can do
[00:39:30] but a more interesting idea. Yeah it's just like it's the right that takes you on. It's just so fun
[00:39:41] is he's like an actor he's got the beats he knows the way this sort of like you know
[00:39:46] and down the yeah so you think he should have gone for Venus in this situation?
[00:39:51] Well yeah I kind of feel like that that everybody knows what Venus the type of player that Venus is
[00:40:01] and so if I'm somebody from Seiga or somebody from Yanu I think that's great. I don't mind having
[00:40:08] that unstable element in the game but if I'm somebody from Nami like I don't feel like we could
[00:40:15] ever trust Venus as a number and if there's something to happen cross tribal with I like I think
[00:40:24] that Venus or Charlie like I don't have a particularly strong feeling about either one but Charlie
[00:40:31] seems to have made some inroads with soda in particular and with Kevin. Yeah I mean that's why
[00:40:37] I think Charlie is so straightforwardly dangerous because he is so charming and you know I do think
[00:40:41] that Venus what we saw this episode was neither Maria nor Charlie wanted to commit to her
[00:40:47] being in Maria especially it was really put off by her because of the way that you know they interacted
[00:40:52] and that's someone that you're fine having in the game like if someone if I'm Kevin yeah I don't
[00:40:58] know where Charlie's head is at Charlie says he wants to work with me I know Venus doesn't want to
[00:41:03] work with me and I don't know if he has gotten any sort of word that Venus was saying his name last
[00:41:09] week but I think that if I am Kevin I think it's more likely that somebody gets a bright idea to
[00:41:18] vote me out and has Venus as a potential vote that's on board with that plan next tribal council
[00:41:24] then soda is working on a plot to conspire and take me out of the game right well I mean but that's
[00:41:30] why Charlie seems to be the more dangerous because he does have those I mean those pre you know
[00:41:34] those pre merge connections right to Seiga I mean again like even just looking at the players on
[00:41:39] that split of the beach you've got Maria and Charlie are close we don't know how I mean maybe you'll
[00:41:43] don't know how close but and you just know that Venus isn't isn't vibing with either of those people
[00:41:49] so I don't know I think that the person who it's fine to leave in the person who's not connecting
[00:41:54] with anybody and I think also I think it's also making your group a bigger threat in that she is
[00:42:02] that's hounding as a number for Nami it's like oh there's four Nami okay but really that she's
[00:42:07] a Nami in name only not in terms of yes or she serves the narrative of like Nami is the hot mess
[00:42:14] you know they all hate each other you know Venus is running around trying to get everybody out over
[00:42:19] there yeah so I think that probably for Tevin I think that uh you know I'm probably a little bit
[00:42:27] more like 51 Venus 49 Charlie yeah I think it was like slam dunk Charlie like and I think like
[00:42:35] just from what we've seen like you know Charlie seems to have the most operating capacity right of
[00:42:41] oh maybe you know he's he's playing a really strong game um the very fact that he wasn't
[00:42:46] eliminated you know his evidence of that um and you know truly I feel like that is you know he
[00:42:52] hasn't like done anything but I do think you know there was a there was a real active uh discussion
[00:42:58] on the wine and cheese uh text break oh yeah not like it's Charlie playing a good and my point was
[00:43:03] like the you know someone said like he's no he's not flashy he's just like sitting there and letting
[00:43:07] everybody else screw up and my point was like that's great survivor play yeah if you can sit back
[00:43:12] and get out of the way while everybody else screws up like that's a good player yeah now is uh
[00:43:18] Charlie Herschel on the wine and cheese thread yeah he is and he's a fan I mean he likes yeah
[00:43:23] Charlie likes Charlie you could think that you know there would be some name antagonism I think
[00:43:28] there's actually like a name a name sympathy a name pro-carnism yeah sometimes there's name antagonism
[00:43:33] yeah I mean that's how I feel about Steve chicken Morris um yeah sometimes you have the same name
[00:43:38] as somebody and they're like uh I got him to teach this guy a lesson yeah yeah whoa right right
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[00:45:01] questions from the audience and see if we can get get to the some real truth here okay all right
[00:45:10] Courtney G wants to know does Kenzie have a shot to get to the end it seems like
[00:45:14] that would be obvious to take into the final would be a bad idea and what about her edit
[00:45:19] that would be a very obvious one I think Kenzie has a shot I mean she's connected to everyone so
[00:45:24] here's a related question do you think you was throwing her under the bus at tribal council yeah
[00:45:29] I brought this up last night with Caleb I guess throw her under the bus to who really
[00:45:38] that just put it out there oh I had the same thought but in reality we have at this tribal council
[00:45:47] it's Kenzie Tiffany Q can't be thrown her under the bus to himself or to Tiffany or to Kenzie Tim is gone
[00:45:57] there's Ben and uh there's Hunter I mean so it's possible but I almost feel like it's a very small
[00:46:04] audience to which that he would be throwing her under the bus to I think it was being sincere
[00:46:10] yeah I think so too I do still it's like when you're putting that out I think I agree
[00:46:15] through I think he was he was probably being being sincere okay still all right um
[00:46:22] Janelle wants to know will Charlie replace Tim in the plus one alliance I got this question in a
[00:46:27] few different ways what do we think happens with the Seagah arm of the plus one alliance is it
[00:46:35] what did they replace Tim one thing that I found really interesting with Tevin's confessional you know
[00:46:41] when he was like right at the start of this split he was like everyone thinks it's Charlie but Maria
[00:46:47] and I are part of this other alliance and we know it's not so he cited Maria as part of this group
[00:46:52] in a way that I feel like we haven't actually seen Maria commit to that group you know we don't know
[00:46:56] Maria's perspective on this plus one alliance and I think that is a really like that's sort of the
[00:47:00] important corollary to Charlie's you know role in it I mean is Charlie is Maria gonna take it too
[00:47:05] seriously if there's a plus one alliance that votes out to vote out its own members yeah well
[00:47:10] I'm just worried for Maria I think the most coming into this next episode and I don't think a lot
[00:47:16] of other people are talking about this but I feel like that there could be this thought of okay Maria
[00:47:21] is now the de facto leader of Seagah Tim was never on board with it she knows about us we got to take
[00:47:29] her out right that's interesting that's very interesting um I can see that I could absolutely see
[00:47:34] Maria going next the cover up is worse than the crime yeah I really I think I really think it
[00:47:41] could be Maria yeah I think so too Maria Maria Q yeah and then we know we've gotten so much
[00:47:48] Charlie I do wonder if that maybe he's the person who goes deeper into the game out of the Maria
[00:47:54] and Charlie alliance right we've seen the mode like that do all mostly from his perspective I think
[00:47:59] I think I could be wrong yeah okay all right um Jeff probes have a question does Q will always
[00:48:05] want the target the last person to talk with him Mariah then Venus Tim then Ben he always finds
[00:48:12] fault and runs back to his allies to declare them the new target that's very funny like he's like
[00:48:16] he's like I did feel like we were getting a little bit of like a paranoid Q like narrative where
[00:48:22] he's got you know after having spent this brutal first half of the game which obviously
[00:48:26] wore him down quite a bit now he's like at the merge and at the merge like suddenly there's a
[00:48:29] zillion options but he also has a lot of control because he's at you know he is sort of the you know
[00:48:34] most local member of this yanu three and so I do feel like his just like strategy you know brain
[00:48:40] is like pinging too fast and too much so like yes like every single thing he's like oh no
[00:48:45] like it's like the threat he's like too sensitive to threat and danger and that's a very funny
[00:48:51] observation that the last person he talks to is who he wants to go down and it seems like
[00:48:55] that the right way to interact with Q is like hey Q like I don't know what to do can you help me
[00:49:02] I'll do whatever you say he's like I love this person but that's a frustrating position to
[00:49:09] place the game of survival we saw Charlie do it right I mean that to speak to your flowers for
[00:49:15] Charlie when when Charlie came to him and said hey that was Charlie you shouldn't have done that
[00:49:20] why did you tell tell Venus the truth is like you said was a bad move he's like oh I'm sorry Q
[00:49:27] yeah it's like oops I that was my bad that was my bad and then he goes and tells us in
[00:49:31] professional I'm gonna vote out Q that I mean that's exactly the way you handle that yeah yeah
[00:49:35] I mean but like I do think like that might there might be enough animosity towards Q for that reason
[00:49:40] of constant that he like doesn't have the leverage anymore to stay in the game and you're right
[00:49:44] that maybe it makes sense in that world for Kenzie and Tiffany to kind of but then don't you think
[00:49:49] that like that's a spotlight kind of moves over to them like if you're Kenzie Tiffany don't you
[00:49:52] want that like negative spotlight on Q I'm in the way that like losing Bruce last last last
[00:49:58] season or whatever these things are called was not so great for you know I think they ride it
[00:50:07] out a week I think that you know if the plan is to go ahead and take out Maria I think that's another
[00:50:13] like strong player that then there's a lot of pieces on the board to pick up to potentially go against
[00:50:20] the Q and Hunter and maybe Tevin group like there's a lot of people there's Ben there's Charlie
[00:50:29] there's Venus that's five now when you're at the final nine with you know would Tiffany go
[00:50:35] against Q I think it's the big question for me yeah I just like I just worry that you know
[00:50:40] you can be can seem so appealing to kind of like eliminate that person but if everybody's annoyed at
[00:50:45] him if people are starting to feel like he's like you know I don't want to sit next to that person
[00:50:51] okay this is a big question today from John about the tribe split twist can you give the state of
[00:50:59] your current feelings about the split tribe twist if CBS isn't going to give them a 14th episode
[00:51:06] this is a much better option than a six player finale I'd consider adding a day after the
[00:51:11] meditory vote to allow more bonds to form and give good players time to prepare for the split okay
[00:51:19] I had said coming into this week I don't like this I wish they wouldn't do it I wish that they
[00:51:24] would go into two tribes and then get that before we do the meditory but I have to you know double
[00:51:32] back and say I thought this was the best episode of the season right it was a good episode but I
[00:51:36] do think there are downstream consequences and I think one of those things that we talked about
[00:51:40] last week was the way that you know it just creates such passive play at the merge because you
[00:51:45] know that you're gonna be split next and you don't want to piss people off so if everyone's going
[00:51:48] along with like the group plan it's really boring you know and it kind of like ossifies these
[00:51:54] dynamics that I think we don't want to see happen right where just this like big group of people
[00:51:58] is like okay we're the big group and then they kind of you know focus on the line yeah um you know
[00:52:02] honestly I think that they probably and I thought this was great um but and maybe that they
[00:52:10] were worried about this but I want to go back to the random medical evacuation and what they
[00:52:16] decided to do there and so they they had ran then he was they were going to pull him from the game
[00:52:22] and they canceled the yanu tribal council right bono was probably going to get voted out
[00:52:28] probably yeah um although they're you know maybe maybe kentsy so if we have let's say that we have
[00:52:36] that tribal council and bono gets voted out that's a completely different episode for I think the
[00:52:42] season feels a lot different and then we had like in survivor 44 you had Bruce medically evacuated
[00:52:50] and then also Matthew uh so I guess were we down two people at that point I'm just trying to think
[00:52:56] like if so if we got to the the split tribal council with one less person maybe okay you're in
[00:53:03] two tribes one trot one of these groups is going to tribal council tonight yeah would you
[00:53:08] do you like that better I still think the split is tricky because I think that like I said like I
[00:53:12] think like that random you don't have the chance to create a real interesting I mean and this season
[00:53:19] is a bit of an outlier but I do feel like last week we saw you know this sort of kind of boring
[00:53:24] gameplay that was you know and I think that like you want that merge when all of these narratives
[00:53:28] are coming together all these people are going to be voting together for the first time you want it
[00:53:31] to sort of be exciting and and you know just as we said the problem with the split tribal is that
[00:53:38] it reinforces the existing you know power dynamics that pretty much happened right like that
[00:53:45] they wasn't like that's that's sort of what happened I mean you know the group of six now granted
[00:53:49] they turned on one of their own yeah but it did happen that like the people who have been in charge
[00:53:55] you know stayed in charge yeah can I tell you though I'm a little saddened about sad's for the
[00:54:02] wrong word but I'm a little bummed out that we didn't get to see the plus one alliance actually work
[00:54:08] because I thought that there was some like emergent gameplay there in that we haven't really never
[00:54:14] seen and stop me if you know we have in some other way a secret alliance that happens in survivor
[00:54:23] it's a very big brother thing to have happened of hey the six of us nobody knows where an alliance
[00:54:30] okay this is the alliance don't tell anybody in survivor the alliances are almost always very
[00:54:36] obvious the reba for you know it's it's a very like out in the open group I was I was interested to see
[00:54:45] if this would work and I was I guess and maybe it doesn't but I was sad to see that it we got one
[00:54:53] vote with the plus one alliance well why do you think it does not work on survivor in a way that
[00:54:59] it works on big brother because I think that in big brother you know you sort of like make the
[00:55:05] alliance on like day whatever words for them after a while this was an alliance because based off
[00:55:12] of like nothing of like we're all here now for I do think it's real between Q and Hunter that they
[00:55:18] have the were both from Mississippi bond and that seems to be very strong for whatever reason
[00:55:25] and so but it was interesting to think that okay you have three people and it's like okay you
[00:55:30] you all bring one person to this and now we have a six person alliance that if it worked could be
[00:55:36] unstoppable or if it was like cohesive it would be unstoppable nobody would they would not even
[00:55:41] know where the shots were coming from yeah yeah although at this point basically everybody knows about
[00:55:47] it I guess that's not really true but but it does seem like enough people you know I mean if you're
[00:55:52] assuming the chart that Maria told Charlie and it's really so but who else does this
[00:55:57] no I mean so I don't think that is Kenzie now wait we don't yeah does Kenzie know did Venus now
[00:56:02] I mean so did you know Liz is now so yeah just I think it would have been really interesting to see
[00:56:08] in a survivor season and maybe in a future season we do get it yeah that'd be fun yeah okay how about
[00:56:16] let's see what else have we not talked about okay Justin Feinberg given that Robyn Steven are
[00:56:23] both dads now like Tim would they also use their final words to inform the audience of their sexiness
[00:56:28] probably not I might okay of your sexiness thank you what shout out Rob Sester Nino is the hottest
[00:56:36] survivor Dill those will be my final word cut this part from the podcast okay all right
[00:56:45] and Justin also asked on Twitter Steven compared the image of Venus touching the shoulders of Maria
[00:56:51] and Charlie to Zabitares guardian angel any other images from survivor history that are comparable
[00:56:58] to famous works of art that's probably a lot I mean now you know we got
[00:57:04] bottom-line jazz arms like that's the P.A. ta right classically in the best of me yeah this could
[00:57:11] be a viral thread Steven keep it going yeah okay all right did hunter give off Tony vibes in the
[00:57:20] teaser for the next episode I love that he's hiding in the trees could this hurt him if he gets caught
[00:57:24] did you catch that yeah it could hurt him if he falls yeah yeah yeah it was funny there's a
[00:57:30] sequence you know cue like sort of like riffing on you know everybody in his tribe and what they're
[00:57:36] you know what they're where their position was and he said Ben was like Tony do you do you see a
[00:57:42] lot of comparisons to Ben in one way yeah I don't know he oh he said like he said that Ben well
[00:57:49] first of all Tony's his favorite player and then second of all and as you know like who you say
[00:57:52] is your favorite player is chairman so you are and then second of all Ben is someone who wants to be
[00:57:59] perceived as loud and out there but also doesn't want to be perceived as all at all which I thought
[00:58:03] was an interesting kind of parallel between them but I don't see Ben as being the sort of strategic
[00:58:07] dynamo you know yeah yeah um I have not yet found cue to be the ultimate authority on survivor
[00:58:16] history and comparisons yeah he really puts a lot of stock in what people say about their favorite
[00:58:21] player he really does yeah okay um let's see did we get the fishy yet Steven I think Charlie
[00:58:30] because I don't love you know I think that like the move from both of them was questionable
[00:58:37] but I thought Charlie's ability to sort of like you know through the old Homer Simpson like fade
[00:58:42] into the background while everybody else kind of you know attack each other I think that's great
[00:58:48] I thought that was great strategy great that's how you play the game and I thought he did a good
[00:58:51] job yeah for Charlie okay um this is an interesting question from Kennedy who asks us do you think
[00:58:58] that Venus claiming that she led the soda blindside to soda and in front of everybody a tribal
[00:59:04] will be received negatively by the others and so a couple of things at work here um one is it possible
[00:59:13] that sodas resume is now inflated where people are starting to talk about soda maybe and we talked
[00:59:22] about like it if we did soda go I'm sorry did did Venus go from somebody who kind of had the um
[00:59:31] desperation of somebody desperate to make a move that could this potentially change that narrative
[00:59:38] in the minds of some of the players oh that's funny that's interesting and another another theory
[00:59:43] like is this something that if if if me and you are you know uh heaven and Liz right
[00:59:50] and we don't have to say who's who um do we kind of do we want to tell people like oh Venus pulled
[00:59:56] off a huge blindside like I want to be a billionaire yes but does that do we want that do we
[01:00:02] want to sort of like I have a little bit of a Venus shield of like people maybe we won't look at
[01:00:07] us as much and what we're doing right but then you also think I can't let Venus get to the end
[01:00:13] taking credit for what I think of it not even just like taking credit but it complicates who gets
[01:00:17] credit right if I'm sitting there next to Venus and we're both like I did that I mean maybe they
[01:00:21] believe me because they don't think Venus did it or maybe they don't believe and Charlie and
[01:00:25] Maria know the truth right um and by the way like if you watch that episode and your perspective
[01:00:32] was that it was Venus who let it and Kevin messed up like one of the cool things about reality
[01:00:36] television that I think this differentiates it from scripted TV is just how everybody watching
[01:00:41] is watching a slightly different tale you know like you connect with the people you connect with
[01:00:45] you you you date the people you hate I mean when I was in Cambodia there were people who were like
[01:00:48] yeah that fishback is a wimpy little non-leader and there were other people it was with people on
[01:00:52] the show exactly but there were people watching who were like you know why we need more manly men
[01:00:57] like Andrew Savage and then there were others who were like you know Savage is crazy um but so
[01:01:02] I think that like you know people connect with a whole variety of contestants and that's cool
[01:01:06] like you know from your perspective you know you know if you're truth is that Venus was the one
[01:01:10] who led that blindside like my gosh live your truth um yeah but anyway um but don't
[01:01:16] forget that little bit interesting of like sort of like do I want the stolen valor to happen
[01:01:22] yeah um that's very interesting like does it take the heat off us but but like and I can
[01:01:28] set the records right at the final trouble council if I get there right but I do feel like we've
[01:01:32] seen that in the path like that kind of happened with D last season where Austin thought one thing like
[01:01:37] uh so uh actually right right that was yeah I mean that was a great moment but he actually had
[01:01:44] the receipts in terms of you know idols played uh um so yeah I don't know it's interesting or it makes
[01:01:52] Venus more of a target because they want you know they don't want her taking credit for their moves
[01:01:56] but one thing Tevin cannot do he cannot go around and set the record straight right
[01:02:02] right I like like uh no that's what happened Emily last season right it was I was the one who really
[01:02:08] just so everybody knows uh yeah I that was me yeah yeah yeah it's interesting
[01:02:16] yeah it's interesting we'll see I'm will tell Rob I'm will tell all right
[01:02:21] anything else top of mind we didn't talk about the challenge or that that was super fun
[01:02:25] um yeah why oh just a banter yeah the fun banter yeah really great banter yeah and you know I
[01:02:32] think it speaks to you know that all these challenges are very short in the new era we have not
[01:02:37] had many moments like this in the new era and so they bring out this challenge that went for three
[01:02:43] minutes last time but you know that this is like a nice thing Jeff said he seemed to like it so I hope
[01:02:48] that they do consider like doing these like endurance challenges I don't know how long they were
[01:02:52] up there for but like you know let these endurance challenges go for an hour and then you get
[01:02:56] always there's gonna be you know a couple fun minutes out of it yeah I get a little bit uh yeah fun
[01:03:03] minutes okay all right speak to me coming up Rob fun minutes uh yeah well just uh podcasting away
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[01:03:54] wow that was good yeah okay um Rob what did we didn't talk about it would so you know Venus
[01:04:01] I thought had the great you know a great moment where she goes over to Maria she is a star yeah
[01:04:06] she was she's a I mean yeah I so many people are like I'm only watching this season for Venus
[01:04:11] and um Ben that seems to be the people who you know that's not me that's some people a lot of
[01:04:16] me not me that's me I'm watching for others and them as well for all of them they're all wonderful
[01:04:22] anyway you watch the show for all the players yeah um the um she goes to Maria and says like hey
[01:04:30] like what you know I noticed you kind of pulled away like can you like explain like what what happened
[01:04:34] there first of all I thought that was a really great mature way of handling that and then second of
[01:04:39] how do you feel about Maria coming clean with her like do you think that was a good decision
[01:04:45] from Maria I mean Maria's immune so she has a little bit more leverage to be straightforward
[01:04:48] if you think that was a good decision from Maria or should she just been like no no we're great
[01:04:54] so I think that as a person I really admire what Maria did to have you know I
[01:05:03] like I am a big believer in truth and grace and I feel like that um Maria did both of those things
[01:05:14] with Venus she said you know here's the here's the truth but also like handled it I thought
[01:05:18] with grace I wonder if as a survivor player that you may want to feed into Venus a little bit more
[01:05:28] because hey I'm gonna need Venus as a number maybe down the line and maybe it's less important to
[01:05:34] give Venus a life lesson um and like I'm not her manager yeah um I am somebody who that today
[01:05:43] Venus needs me tomorrow I might need Venus and so I think as a survivor player I think that
[01:05:50] that maybe it could have been handled maybe in a way where Venus was you know understood
[01:05:58] where I was coming from but also like that there were still and I think Venus would is would
[01:06:03] be fine to work with Maria on another vote but maybe isn't like thinking of Maria as a key person
[01:06:09] she could go to um is there a world where it actually makes sense for Maria to try to improve
[01:06:16] their communication in order to actually work better with her down the line I think that on day 14
[01:06:22] of a 26 day game I don't think that this is like a Q and Bhanu situation where she's gonna be able to
[01:06:29] really uh like rewrite the code and uh reprogram Venus right yeah yeah so um but it was
[01:06:40] certainly you know interesting stuff uh that's why we're here yeah okay um
[01:06:47] yeah all right Stephen anything else from you no it's just wonderful to chat with you today Rob how
[01:06:52] are you feeling I feel great I mean I'm super excited about where we're going here in the uh second
[01:06:58] half of the season so let's uh see what comes up next we've got I mentioned the Patriot feedback show
[01:07:04] Club condo with Chappelle will be back together on Monday talk about all of the nonsense certainly
[01:07:10] sure plenty to talk about it from the challenge this week and then this upcoming Wednesday night
[01:07:15] I believe Sam stop me if I'm wrong Dr. Christian Yubicki will be with me live after the episode wow
[01:07:21] newly uh tenured professor yes okay yeah all right when are we getting our survivor tenure
[01:07:30] you had a tenure anniversary tenure anniversary that's right yeah okay all right Stephen anything else
[01:07:35] from you um no no it's just a pleasure all right thank you so much for joining us check out uh
[01:07:41] Stephen fishback at Club Gavirconvention say hello okay say hello and
[01:07:46] share to be you know abused probably abused okay thank you so much take care of a good one bye
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