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[00:03:22] The great Stephen Fishback happy mercitory. Happy mercitory. Hello fellow human,
[00:03:31] just to living know it all.
[00:03:34] To the living and know it all. Sorry, Mariah. Okay. Oh wait, no this one.
[00:03:41] Oh my god. We're here to make up for loss. Oh my god.
[00:03:50] All right, yeah. That was that was for last week. All right. We're back.
[00:03:55] We got a lot to talk about here at the merge even though it was kind of a ho hum vote.
[00:04:02] I really I feel like I have a lot to say still about this and I'm looking forward to breaking
[00:04:06] it all down with you. Likewise, Rob, I too have been looking forward to speaking with you
[00:04:11] by. Yeah, I think it was an interesting episode. I mean, I think, you know, we'll get
[00:04:15] into it. It's an interesting episode. Okay. Rob, first I wanted to say that I noticed
[00:04:19] that you yes really came out strong and a podcast with Chappelle against nerds.
[00:04:25] Yeah, too hard. Yeah. Well, I just it was funny because like a previous,
[00:04:30] a few previous, you know, a few days previous, I had come out, you know, in favor of hot people
[00:04:35] on river and I feel like, you know, probably nobody would have ever predicted the plot twist
[00:04:40] where the know it all come out in favor of hot people and against nerds. Yeah, yes.
[00:04:45] Okay. Unusual take from the two of us. We, you know, hate that in others,
[00:04:52] the things that we don't like about ourselves. You know, I was teasing that I just think
[00:04:58] that, you know, these 25 and 26 year olds, I think should be have better things
[00:05:03] to do with their time than seeing how fast they could name survivors in Excel sheets.
[00:05:09] You either die in nerd or you work out hard enough to become a hot. I get it.
[00:05:14] I get it, but come on. Yeah. Come on. Have a little, you know, like a yellow.
[00:05:20] All right. Come on kids. Well, this week was a week that really held,
[00:05:24] you know, really, you know, it was great for the hotties and the fiddies.
[00:05:28] You know, fiddies. Yeah, I don't know about the fiddies. Yeah.
[00:05:33] Because, you know, they all won the challenge and they were immune.
[00:05:36] Yeah, that was good for them. You know, it was interesting the, I talked to
[00:05:41] the, uh, at the last night we had a great podcast about it.
[00:05:44] I think he was saying very hot take, I thought that you know what?
[00:05:48] Maybe maybe mergeatory kind of needs the hourglass because imagine
[00:05:52] because really everybody hates it, right? But could you imagine all the big, strong
[00:05:57] guys win the challenge and then Jeff comes out like actually you lost your going to
[00:06:03] drive a council. Everyone loved it. Venus would have been a genius today.
[00:06:08] Celebrated. Pro even more, they give it, it was amazing how close that challenge was.
[00:06:15] It was actually a little bit. I really thought there was going to be a comeback.
[00:06:18] I mean, what a great because they made it such a, you know, because Jeff hyped it to be
[00:06:22] such a blowout from the get go. I thought what an amazing story.
[00:06:26] I know, but then Hunter. It was like, uh, you know, I read Hunter's interview.
[00:06:30] Adolten Ross had a great midseason interview with Hunter.
[00:06:35] Yeah. And talked with Hunter about a bunch of different things, but Hunter said,
[00:06:40] you know, it's really, it's not really that big of an advantage for him that he has all
[00:06:46] of the puzzles at his house. He says, yeah, I have all the puzzles,
[00:06:51] but I only take them out like once or twice when I do the things.
[00:06:56] I don't practice them. Didn't he build them?
[00:07:01] Well, well, that was his other argument was that when you built the puzzle, it's like,
[00:07:03] it's too easy. You don't even bother because you've built it.
[00:07:06] So he's yeah, but he said, hey, it's not like I practiced them all the time.
[00:07:11] It's not that unfair. Yeah. Um, well, he's still got a lot going for him,
[00:07:16] I think in the, uh, in the puzzle world. Yeah. Yeah. It's look at at least somebody does, right?
[00:07:21] Yeah. Yeah. All right.
[00:07:23] But Steven, uh, yeah. We had a lot to unpack here about this, but I had a conversation with
[00:07:29] Mariah. We just posted that right before we came on here today.
[00:07:33] So definitely check out my exit interview with Mariah.
[00:07:36] I think something that I really wanted to talk about was I feel like that Mariah
[00:07:43] did a pretty good job. I think that this is also kind of a polarizing thing.
[00:07:47] Like, uh, did Mariah blow it or as I've said,
[00:07:52] I think Mariah did a pretty good job. Uh, and I think that she kind of got let down by the
[00:07:57] Ciga tribe. Yeah. I mean, one of the things she noted in her exits was like,
[00:08:02] you know, this claim that she didn't, you know, out herself as the bottom of the tribe.
[00:08:08] She was the name they gave, you know, like she was the name that the other members of the
[00:08:13] Ciga tribe said they were willing to get rid of. She is like a priori the bottom of the tribe.
[00:08:18] Um, and you know, if you don't know that like that's not like you don't need to know about some
[00:08:23] complicated vote to realize that the person that they want to get rid of is the person who's
[00:08:28] at the bottom. Yeah. I think this very interesting scenario though is that there is,
[00:08:34] you know, these usually we come into the merge and it's all out war.
[00:08:39] But here, there's also like, there's this level of like diplomacy where there are like red lines
[00:08:47] that the like group this plus one alliance is not willing to cross. Whereas, you know, we had
[00:08:55] where Venus is throwing out Charlie's name. Well, Charlie wasn't even on the table because
[00:09:00] that wasn't necessarily the person that Tim and Maria sanctioned as okay, that was our
[00:09:06] acceptable person to go home for this round, uh, which which Venus has no way of knowing.
[00:09:13] Isn't that interesting that there was like that there is a just like controlling alliance
[00:09:18] that saying, okay, these are the potential people that were willing to give up.
[00:09:22] And it's either going to be this person or this person.
[00:09:25] Is that unique to this season? I mean you're more of a nerd than I am.
[00:09:29] You remember this kind of thing. Um, is that unique to this season?
[00:09:32] Cause my understanding was like, and you even said this in the past, right?
[00:09:35] That like the big thing about mergeatory, you know, we were talking about this last week,
[00:09:38] is that the tribes kind of say who they're willing to rid of and the, and the
[00:09:42] mergeatory boot is just kind of the person everyone is willing to lose.
[00:09:45] Yeah. It doesn't that suggests that there is not that scrambling that should be happening
[00:09:49] at a merge that we love from merges of merges. Yeah.
[00:09:52] Merges or I think it's kind of done away with the scrambling.
[00:09:54] I think that the last couple of seasons, I think we've actually seen a bit of this.
[00:09:58] So maybe it's not quite unusual, but it's definitely a recent phenomenon.
[00:10:01] I feel like going back to survivor 44, you had the situation where we had it similarly
[00:10:06] like there was like the, uh, bro truce that was brokered when carolin went with brand
[00:10:13] in and Danny. And it was okay.
[00:10:16] Well, they were looking at the people from don't ask me the tribe names from that season.
[00:10:21] But basically from Danny's tribe, they were looking at Josh.
[00:10:25] Okay. He's the person that's kind of on the outs or who's on the outs from Brandon's tribe.
[00:10:29] Kane was one of the other names that was throwing out jam jam who was also somebody
[00:10:34] who was not part of that group. Those were the people that were being talked about
[00:10:38] as being potential options. Then even last season, you had the people from the rebet tribe
[00:10:43] were saying like, oh, how about J Maya? Like why don't we throw?
[00:10:46] Why don't we throw her out? And then Bruce says like, oh, what about Caleb?
[00:10:50] And that's where then the bigger threat ended up being the person that they initially
[00:10:54] ended up going for. So it does seem like that whatever mergatory started out being
[00:10:59] it has now turned into sort of like the power players getting together
[00:11:04] and then talking about which person is like the like least objectionable person
[00:11:12] that we all can just pile on for a consensus vote.
[00:11:16] Yeah, and that's such a frustrating dynamic because you know, I just basically tweeted this
[00:11:21] Venus is instinct, right? When they come to her and say it's not going to be you
[00:11:28] you know, your blessed. You were the second choice, but we're lucky you
[00:11:33] you get to like be spared this round. We'll take you out next tomorrow.
[00:11:36] It's to be like no, I'm not going along with that. Like let's do something completely different.
[00:11:40] That's a dumb decision. And she's right. She's right that just in like a pre-survivor 40
[00:11:46] the correct when you hear your name and you hear that there's this big group that
[00:11:51] like is choosing between you and somebody else. The correct move there is to like try
[00:11:56] to like cobble together another group and find a better target and then like put
[00:12:00] yourself in the driver's seat rather than just like sort of like you know passively
[00:12:04] and grateful and gravely accepting that you're temporarily, you know safe.
[00:12:08] But because you know, you have this situation where there's these seven immune players
[00:12:14] there's nothing you can do about them. Then there's a very small number of
[00:12:19] people who are up for elimination and they're all scared. They don't want to rock
[00:12:24] the boat if they're not one of the people whose names are mentioned, they're like great
[00:12:27] fine whatever let's just make it to the next vote.
[00:12:30] Plus the sense that you have now in the game of like well if the next if the next
[00:12:35] trial council is another split vote, you know where the groups are chosen randomly
[00:12:41] I don't want to piss anybody off because I could have a bad rock draw and
[00:12:46] suddenly be with a group of people who I've just made mad. So I don't want to make
[00:12:49] anybody mad it's so much encourages you to be cautious and go along that it becomes
[00:12:55] impossible really to switch up the vote. Combine with the fact that there's very
[00:13:00] little time right in the actual survivor, you know actual in the pre-41 survivor
[00:13:05] merge. Yeah. You know you had a merge feast, you had days and then you know you had
[00:13:10] the challenge in the morning but you still kind of had a sense of like where these new
[00:13:14] you know new groups could be here, you know they only find out who's eligible for
[00:13:18] elimination, you know probably in the early morning and they have to go to tribal council
[00:13:22] that night. I mean there's just no time to do something.
[00:13:25] And I listen to Jeff's podcast every single week you know they do they all
[00:13:30] all jump on so you know they put a lot of thought into all of this but it just seems
[00:13:34] like whatever they're going for I feel like that the antithesis of that is what's
[00:13:38] happening where it just does not feel like a situation where the biggest players
[00:13:44] are going out at this point. It's just seems like okay this is just a continuation
[00:13:48] of whoever was at the bottom in this pre-emerge part of the game is just like okay well we're
[00:13:55] just coming up with it and a mutually agreed upon name to have a lopsided vote here.
[00:14:01] You know the first couple of mergatories that they had I talked with Abby about this last
[00:14:07] night survivor 41. Okay that was exciting the players didn't really know how to play
[00:14:11] it and what they do but I think that the one that this is I've been thinking a lot about
[00:14:16] was the survivor 42.
[00:14:18] Mergatory and I actually went back and watch that today because I feel like yeah that's
[00:14:23] good research. This is you know I tried to really what I've been thinking about this
[00:14:28] a lot in terms of like I thought Mariah played this exactly the way that she should have
[00:14:34] played this and because I think that when we look back at Mary Ann and the similar the
[00:14:39] situation that Mary Ann was in that Mariah did basically the same thing that Mary Ann
[00:14:46] did where she had put trust in her tribe and that Omar says to Mary Ann okay you're going
[00:14:53] to go out there don't play your shot in the dark tonight don't play your idol we got you
[00:14:58] okay and she did that she stuck she stuck with her tribe she wasn't out there trying to make
[00:15:04] other deals and it ends up working out for Mary Ann and I think that Mariah follows the
[00:15:09] same prescription and in that situation what drew me to survivor 42 was that you similarly
[00:15:16] had this alliance of sort of like the big power players got together right and a lot of that
[00:15:21] was also from journeys and that there were shared amulets and there was so there there were
[00:15:27] people with the idols and all the advantages kind of got together and that's a little similar
[00:15:32] to what's happened here with this plus one alliance. And then there were some like mutually
[00:15:37] agreed upon okay it's going to be one of these players who are at the bottom is going to
[00:15:42] be what the names were and you had Omar who much like Hunter didn't have a vote in that
[00:15:49] situation and what Omar was able to do was able to flip things around where there was nobody
[00:15:56] on Seiga other than we're not giving a name that they really were not playing that hard
[00:16:01] and what Omar was able to do was that he got in a conversation he kind of got Lydia twisted
[00:16:08] around where she said she was willing to vote for Jonathan she was one of the people that
[00:16:13] was on it that was able to be out voted for and so was Jonathan and so is Mary Ann from the
[00:16:20] U tribe and so was Lindsay and Lydia was basically like yeah I'll vote for Jonathan I don't
[00:16:26] care I'll vote for anybody and Omar was like aha I got it now Lydia who was in the who was
[00:16:32] high's person was able to go back and say to everybody hey Lydia said she vote for Jonathan
[00:16:39] hi can you believe this she's not with us and then it put high in this very bad situation of
[00:16:44] like hold on one of your person is saying that she's not in with this whole group are you
[00:16:48] are you going to stand for that like a and high kind of got like his arm bent to say like okay fine
[00:16:56] you can go after my person that's fine I'll give I'll give up my person for the good of being
[00:17:01] part of this alliance and I kind of wonder if there was a way to save Mariah if you were
[00:17:07] if you were say Tim if you could go and say like hey Venus said she wanted Tevin out or
[00:17:15] or wanted soda out where like could could is there something that he could have said to get
[00:17:22] the Nami tribe to like oh she's talking about voting out your people as opposed to hey
[00:17:30] maybe yeah oh Nami for Nami though yeah yeah yeah where it that if she could like or is
[00:17:35] like hey are you going to stand for that she's like a voting for like it was there a target
[00:17:39] that they could have said to like a like a red line or even to say hey Q Venus is talking
[00:17:46] that she wants to vote out you right you know as opposed to Charlie like I wonder if there
[00:17:53] was like something that they could have where okay Venus she's at a pocket whatever will worry
[00:17:58] about her next is there something that if Tim and maybe Tim didn't really care about trying
[00:18:03] out like I think the Tim seems like all right Mariah can go whatever she voted against
[00:18:08] jam who wasn't working with him but she's not in my alliance so I don't care about her I got
[00:18:13] a new alliance.
[00:18:14] I mean that's sort of the vibe that I got I mean it's so interesting because even when you
[00:18:18] when you're describing that 42 scramble I remember it so vividly where it was like change
[00:18:22] like just like pinging back and forth so quickly and so everyone was running off and like you
[00:18:26] know groups were forming and like that wasn't what we saw it all last night right it was just
[00:18:30] like here's the deal and there was a little bit of scramble this or that yeah and it was
[00:18:34] like they they all came to a consensus quickly and I do think it's like an emergent kind
[00:18:38] of like you know negative aspect of gameplay where people know that they need to be cautious
[00:18:42] in this phase of the game and so they're going to be cautious like they're going to be cautious
[00:18:45] now knowing that it's going to be a split tribal you know with with 42 they hadn't seen
[00:18:49] 41 right there wasn't say that's that same sense of I've got a like rain it in play it
[00:18:55] is not that I'm not going to say that's not going to be as likely as possible because there's
[00:18:59] so many you know things upcoming where I could be at the mercy of a bad of a bad rock draw
[00:19:03] not to like glamorize the hourglass also but 42 also the hourglass so there was like
[00:19:09] the people that thought they were safe like weren't safe and then there was an extra panic
[00:19:12] also so like I do think that sort of like the it but everybody was just very safe here
[00:19:19] like all the people seven people were safe and they were they were feeling really good
[00:19:24] like that they had this alliance and they were going to be fine no matter what so yeah
[00:19:28] there wasn't that same level of panic and people having to play fast again I don't want
[00:19:33] to like really like wax poetically about the hourglass but I just say you heard it here
[00:19:38] Rob Sesternino loves fire making in the hourglass the first two
[00:19:42] mergatories of the new era I think we're the best too yeah yeah because there was that a little
[00:19:48] bit more chaos I mean you know the problem is obviously not that you know the raw
[00:19:53] there's no hourglass it's that there's half the tribe is immune and you see why they do it
[00:19:57] because I mean it does like narrow the narrative a little bit it does kind of like narrow the focus
[00:20:01] but it's also like very unsatisfying you know because like what we love from the merge
[00:20:07] is the flux it is those like dynamics that kind of suddenly you know clarified and all
[00:20:13] of these relationships that have been building up for you know three days or whoever
[00:20:17] long it is in the new era they come to a head and now we don't get that because it's like just like you
[00:20:25] know there's no chance there's no chance for the underdog to take control yeah
[00:20:31] and especially not if the underdog mentions that they're fan of Aubrey especially not yeah what do
[00:20:36] you think about that when Mariah mentioned to cue about Aubrey I was so funny I mean like Aubrey
[00:20:43] like Aubrey is a great player obviously but like you know she's not my Tyson she's Aubrey
[00:20:47] um you know I feel in yeah but I feel like it's like it was one of those things were like almost
[00:20:52] whoever you know if Aubrey had I'm sorry if Aubrey if Mariah had said Parvati you know that wouldn't
[00:20:57] the better that wouldn't have been better for cue there's no one that I think Mariah could have
[00:21:01] said where Q wouldn't have been like oh no yeah so a fan of Mary Ann I spoke with
[00:21:08] Mariah this morning I asked her about that and she said well just to give some context that she had
[00:21:12] just gotten done talking with Q about his favorite player and Q's favorite player was your friend
[00:21:19] and mine Jeremy Collins and she's like okay well I'm okay to say Aubrey Jeremy's a winner
[00:21:25] but actually do think I mean Jeremy actually is a good choice because he's so famously loyal
[00:21:32] like that was his like defining thing over his season was just being super loyal to his allies
[00:21:38] and I actually that's a really good like you know there's a little bit of a Twitter debate
[00:21:41] of like who you should say you know if you're asked the question you know who your favorite player
[00:21:46] is like who's someone that you know well minimized your threat I actually kind of think even though Jeremy's
[00:21:51] uh uh you know a winner he's a good choice because he really stuck to his you know his commitments
[00:21:56] well Aubrey was uh rather loyal to her allies I would think yeah she didn't throw anybody in
[00:22:02] I mean like this like oh Aubrey was setting people up left and right like was she like
[00:22:06] she was super tight with Neil I mean she was super tight with Joe it's hard with people
[00:22:11] uh who don't know the show especially well and don't know the characters especially well
[00:22:16] because you don't know what kind of preconceived notion they have about anybody
[00:22:20] yeah but that's what I'm saying like it didn't matter who Mariah said like no matter who she says
[00:22:23] she's gonna oh no you know uh oh it's I mean I can't even think of who
[00:22:27] about Collins yeah exactly she's got two idols already
[00:22:31] yeah so um who would you say Rob I said let's say I would say Penner
[00:22:38] Penner is a good one yeah that's a very good one for you too and you can do the penner impression
[00:22:42] but then also then but he did a mutiny he walked off the mat
[00:22:48] so uh there's that people will always find like something about uh anybody okay um I thought it was
[00:22:55] also super interesting where you have these two tribes Nami and Siga where that Siga's
[00:23:02] game plan was hey we're not gonna show any cracks um that now Nami did I do not believe this
[00:23:09] was intentional ended up showing a lot of cracks and I think that Venus actually did them
[00:23:14] quite a service by proving that they were such a dysfunctional tribe that this
[00:23:21] functionality actually was a great camouflage for now and ultimately yeah
[00:23:26] and I wonder if in future seasons uh that if we're going to go through this same sort of
[00:23:32] mergatory like should tribes sort of like amplify just how dysfunctional they are
[00:23:39] in the lead up where Siga this whole season were vibes where you get along Kumbaya
[00:23:45] I'm sure that was on the mat as well should tribes be trying to even like make it seem like
[00:23:52] there's a lot of problems with the tribe yeah that's very funny like fake dysfunction
[00:23:56] that's a very very good idea it was interesting to me you know on that subject of dysfunction
[00:24:01] that when Venus came up with this idea like hey we need to target Charlie the person she went
[00:24:05] to was soda you know they were talking about it together and it's like obviously there's been
[00:24:09] this tension but like when he came down to it you know Venus and soda were the ones you
[00:24:12] know who were maybe like well whatever nothing came with that plan so it's hard to say you
[00:24:15] know how real that was yeah um yeah yeah it's it's a really good point because now people are
[00:24:20] savvy enough to know you because you know back in the day you know if you had that one tribe
[00:24:25] member who was like I'm ready to flip you're like yes great we got you now they're like okay like
[00:24:29] we don't need to worry about you till later you're ready to flip you're you know whatever
[00:24:33] that's what's worried about the people who are not ready to flip because that's our problem
[00:24:36] right now yeah it's almost like that the whole thing has like flipped on a tent where it's
[00:24:41] like the worst thing you can be is a cohesive tribe of six where everybody gets along coming
[00:24:47] into the merge which is ironically like in classic survivor or what did you what did you call
[00:24:54] it before I don't know oh real survivor like ideally your best case scenario is get to
[00:25:01] the merge with an alliance of six where everybody's on the same page that's the best case scenario
[00:25:06] here worst case scenario you don't want that you don't want that ideally what do you want like three
[00:25:12] people that get along three people that get along right you on as in a great spot what second best
[00:25:17] is a real hot mess four or five people that really barely like each other that's that's the second
[00:25:22] best worst obviously is six people on the same page that get along it's really true very funny
[00:25:29] but that's great that's that's a wonderful aspect of contemporary survivor I like classic
[00:25:35] survivor you know it's like new coke and classic coke you know who can say which one is better
[00:25:39] we all we all love to new code yes yes the yeah so new survivor or contemporary survivor like
[00:25:45] yeah that's that's a kind of fun feature of it that you actually see people reacting to like
[00:25:50] the way past tribe dynamics have have played out and coming up with new strategies yeah you know
[00:25:55] I was fascinated by your tweet earlier about how in a you know pre survivor 41 world that the
[00:26:04] Venus coming in would have been you know in the best spot to be able to flip things around but I was struggling
[00:26:11] to think of who is the person that has that was the Venus that was able to really springboard from that
[00:26:18] position well it's true like those people don't often win you know you think of like cock and you know
[00:26:23] in in survivor 23 but actually Cochrane it was not necessarily that person that Cochrane was more of
[00:26:30] the person who was at the bottom and then they put him up to go and like try to be a double agent
[00:26:36] and then they flipped him around so he won you won from that just in the next season yeah he went on
[00:26:43] to win from that but I'm struggling to figure out the person who came into the merge as like the
[00:26:48] she the classic she and who is like I hate my tribe I can't wait to work with you and then it was
[00:26:54] able to springboard them into you know a very deep run well I wasn't necessarily saying that
[00:27:00] that's like a winning move like to be able to be that person you know it's kind of like a really I
[00:27:05] mean the past we talked about like in the distant past it's actually like an impossible position to be
[00:27:09] because when you do when you are that person who's on the bottom and then flips over to the other group
[00:27:15] you know your old tribe hates you so they never vote for you like it's honestly like it's
[00:27:20] like basically you're you know when Jeff was saying at the start there's one person out here who's
[00:27:25] already lost like that person might be this because like it's like the very fact of her not
[00:27:29] jelling with her initial group her she like has no options and it puts her in a really tough
[00:27:34] spot finding a place in another group and like if she does outlast her group they're gonna like
[00:27:39] they're gonna like never vote for her they're gonna be so filled with rage that like the person
[00:27:43] that they outcast somehow outlasted them yeah and that was such like a poignant scene you know
[00:27:49] very it was funny because you had a counter pointed with Hunter looking for the idol but such
[00:27:54] a poignant scene where Venus is saying to soda like hey like just talk to me just like acknowledge me as
[00:27:59] a human and so it's like no you know I mean and it was like fun like the bickering like again then
[00:28:06] you got Hunter with the idol but it was like really like you know moving to see you know
[00:28:10] just like hey we used to actually have conversations I'm not asking for anything more than that so
[00:28:14] I do think she's in the sort of you know an unwinnable position here yeah in the chat got to go
[00:28:20] pecs is Aaron from token sheen Steven what do you think well yeah but I mean the same thing like
[00:28:25] Timbera hated Aaron and it was because she was at the bottom of their tribe and she turned on them
[00:28:30] and she elasted them like Aaron from token sheen's like not winning that game like almost against
[00:28:34] I can't think of a you know I don't think she wants to get anyone in the in the merge tribe I mean
[00:28:39] whatever like maybe sear I still think sheer one so it's such an unfortunate situation like who
[00:28:45] who yeah who is the person who is at the bottom of their group and then flips and then actually does
[00:28:51] well I still think awkwardness the best one because you know he comes back he comes back
[00:28:55] uh randiculous is Sandra was at the bottom of the heroes uh versus that's good one that she never
[00:29:00] actually got anything going that was the one but and then Sandra ultimately like she tries to go
[00:29:06] into the hey I'm gonna work with you and then they're like no Sandra and then eventually
[00:29:11] Sandra sort of like tail between her legs ends up like hey like I gotta go with the like
[00:29:17] I wanted to know every time but you know that she ends up being you know practical about it
[00:29:23] of like hey I'll come come home to the villains yeah yeah and it's and the fact that she was right
[00:29:29] actually like you know that's what JC JT said is like one of the reasons she won was
[00:29:33] because like she was right and they were wrong and she was and all the heroes were like hey you
[00:29:37] warned us you you were correct we should not have we should have listened to you yeah but like
[00:29:42] in terms of you know their own longevity in terms of winning I mean I don't know you're right I don't
[00:29:47] think it's a really great spot but it's also I mean you see her at least you know
[00:29:54] it's a sensible thing right it's like I mean I guess you're right is it a sensible move if you can't
[00:29:58] if it doesn't lead to a win I don't know that's a tough yeah but anyway the point is back in the day
[00:30:03] it would have actually you know people would you know come to that person and I feel like
[00:30:07] that the show should want people in this type of position right like that's the bigger issue
[00:30:12] you want like the people who are on the bottom to have the room to scramble and make something
[00:30:16] happen which they don't even do anymore okay how about the Yannu three I mean they've
[00:30:22] come so far they were down and out and really look at them I mean I think it would be you know
[00:30:29] hard to not put them in the best positions in the game if we believed in rankings which are
[00:30:35] arbitrary and reductive yeah I mean it did seem like and you know who knows how much we
[00:30:40] believe the preview but it did seem like Q was like maybe like too much calling the shots a little
[00:30:44] bit but other than that I mean I thought that you know Tiff and Kenzie seemed to be in a much
[00:30:49] better spot even than we had hoped them would you talk to me about Q's position that I said
[00:30:54] I felt like that you know we got to get the fishy out there but I kind of feel like that Q had
[00:30:59] his best episode I thought last night really I mean in terms of the strategy or in terms of just
[00:31:05] in terms of the positioning like I feel like that yeah I think he's somebody who does not mind
[00:31:10] being out in front but I think that for Q and maybe he ends up getting a bad draw like
[00:31:18] the amount of at this particular point in the game the amount of people that would have to get
[00:31:25] together and unite against him I think if we were playing normal survivor and not going into
[00:31:32] like a tribe of six next week like I think it would be rather hard to come by the votes to get out
[00:31:38] Q yeah yeah that's very interesting I was actually thinking of it you know why I liked his
[00:31:44] like pull in plan was so good and it was because like there's that people going back like a lot
[00:31:51] of the times you see in rewards like last like last season you know you saw or whatever it was
[00:31:57] I guess 40 whatever where like the meat bro a lion's thing you know the game is on I guess
[00:32:03] it's 44 is it's just like okay like we're gonna look out for each other but the idea
[00:32:08] of having people go back and pick like a friend I think is really smart because for a couple
[00:32:15] of reasons like first it's like it's like it makes it more exciting to the people who are there
[00:32:21] because it's like a special treat that they can take back to their to their friend you know
[00:32:24] for them well we do need to talk about that but it's like you know it's like then hunter
[00:32:31] gets to go back to tevon it's like oh I've got this secret thing that I can I can bring
[00:32:35] you in on and then that solidifies their bond and then like this the very fact of having talked
[00:32:40] about it between the two of them suddenly becomes more of a real thing rather than just like yeah I made
[00:32:44] a relationship on that reward like that was cool like we'll see where that goes but like the
[00:32:48] bringing someone in thing I think that's really where the you know the chess case but I was
[00:32:52] worried that he was too much in front of it you know he really you know he was calling that shot
[00:32:56] of like you know I spared you you know I spared you Venus and I condemned you now you dare
[00:33:03] but that was a private conversation I don't think that necessarily got back to her like I just
[00:33:07] really does feel like that this plus one alliance seems to have really worked and resonated
[00:33:14] with hunter and tevon and so Tiffany Q Hunter Tevin are good and then Tim and Maria are the ones
[00:33:23] that like Tim seemingly enough is into it and Maria is like okay I'm not I'm not against it
[00:33:30] but I really feel like that Maria holds all the cards here on how the rest of this game is
[00:33:37] going to go because I think that Maria I think is a very smart player it could go along with
[00:33:42] this for a bit but then also at the same time work on putting together her own things
[00:33:49] and I said this with Abby last night I would love to get your reaction to it that Venus wanted
[00:33:55] to get Charlie out last night I think that Venus was ultimately this was better for Venus
[00:34:03] that Charlie stayed because if Venus is if there's going to be a group that comes together
[00:34:09] to work with Venus I think it's more likely going to come from Maria and Charlie
[00:34:14] then had Charlie gone out and Mariah stayed in the game.
[00:34:17] Oh that's very interesting I think that's a great point that's a really good that's a really good
[00:34:21] read aren't it yeah that I mean it sort of makes sense to write I mean in the idea
[00:34:26] that like you want your that's so interesting I mean that's yeah well but on the other
[00:34:31] hand if Mariah is in the game instead of Charlie like Mariah had specifically said
[00:34:34] she wanted to have a relationship with Venus so well she actually said that she did
[00:34:38] she thought that Venus rubbed her the wrong way a little bit like she was a
[00:34:42] hard player and in the name for a name thing but I just feel like that okay you know
[00:34:49] Charlie is the person who is going to flip with Mariah like I think that Mariah
[00:34:53] just did not have the social capital with Maria that Charlie does right
[00:34:58] right right well that's interesting I mean then and then Charlie is obviously a
[00:35:01] very smart player and Maria is obviously a very smart player so the two of them can maybe
[00:35:05] see what's happening Maria knows about it she's been told so you're right that's
[00:35:09] that's a really good point that if there's any kind of you know counterinsurgency
[00:35:14] whatever whatever whatever for words will use to the to the whole you know to the
[00:35:19] plus one alliance that that actually could come also called the journey Alliance like
[00:35:25] journey six yeah yeah it could invite Ben to the journey six come on does seem
[00:35:32] like a pretty pretty cool that rock mission yeah yeah that's funny yeah that it
[00:35:38] it would come from from Charlie that's interesting what do you think of Tim's how
[00:35:43] Tim played it now Tim claimed that he deliberately didn't tell Maria that he had
[00:35:48] added her to an alliance because that he wanted her to make her own decisions
[00:35:53] and not give her any preconceived ideas about the group what's your read on that
[00:35:58] Rob Tim just seems like much like Tim's bowels working at a very slow pace
[00:36:04] that he's very good seems very conservative in terms of what he's doing we I
[00:36:11] had the opinion that maybe what changed the gem vote was that Tim came back and
[00:36:17] told Maria about this plan and Maria's like okay we got a gotta stay close with
[00:36:21] Tim seemed like he didn't do that I don't know necessarily now I saw Josh
[00:36:27] Kettle's tweeting about this like is this kind of what happened with Brendan and Sierra
[00:36:32] yeah there was you know I forgotten about that until I saw Josh's tweet to that
[00:36:36] like Brendan like never told Sierra we were like what how do you perhaps the whole
[00:36:41] cross tribal thing you know I was never gonna go along with it anyway because
[00:36:45] that wasn't a winning position for me I didn't end up in a winning position anyway but
[00:36:48] I didn't seem to think that was winning position but you know maybe looking
[00:36:53] back I should have anyway you know well it was like Brendan's Alliance he can
[00:36:59] see he don't want to be like the part of Brendan's Alliance because then Brendan wins
[00:37:02] is that what Tim was thinking like well this is Q's thing yeah well I it's funny
[00:37:06] because I did not buy Q's rationale like when you can see he's clearly responding
[00:37:11] to a question why didn't you tell you know them tell Maria about this and he's
[00:37:16] like well um and he's got to come up with a reason like I just think he like didn't
[00:37:20] do it you know he like forgot didn't think about it I could be wrong I mean they
[00:37:23] did have tribal that night so that maybe there was like other things not bigger fish
[00:37:27] to fry and then there was the merge so it's possible that they did not have the
[00:37:31] time to like hey by the way or maybe that Tim might have felt that there was like
[00:37:36] some his position was not a hundred percent solid and maybe he's Maria gonna
[00:37:40] believe me so maybe there are other reasons but I just I think that Ockham's
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[00:37:49] mean you know when you do talk to Tim I think it's a win I mean when is you know
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[00:38:39] Stephen we got a lot of questions to get to here today so I want to open them
[00:38:45] up that we have okay let me start off with Grace leader wanted to know I'd
[00:38:54] love to hear Stephen talk about the fine line between sticking with your
[00:38:56] alliance without making it seem like you would never betray them what should
[00:38:59] Maria have done to make Venus the most appealing target to be voted out.
[00:39:03] Wow that's a tough one I mean it does seem like she was not I mean what's
[00:39:09] interesting is like part of the reason they didn't vote out Venus was because
[00:39:13] people felt like she was like playing so hard that there was like less of a
[00:39:16] concern about her right she was like less stealthy almost and it wasn't
[00:39:20] necessarily like we think that you know Venus is the I mean it was just more like
[00:39:27] you know so their decision to save Venus was not like are we like Venus more
[00:39:31] we want this one of this game it seemed like it was more that Venus is not
[00:39:35] going to create challenges for us down the line because we've all kind of
[00:39:38] clock that she's playing hard where I was Mariah we don't doesn't
[00:39:43] necessarily have that yeah what Tiffany said it best where it's like hey they
[00:39:48] they don't want to tell us about Maria that that kind of makes us want to vote her
[00:39:52] out more and it would the fact that Nami was like so quick to say like sure
[00:39:57] yeah take you know take my wife please you know what let's talk about like
[00:40:04] I one thing I wanted to ask you was like what is the move there at that when
[00:40:08] you're you're even before the Mariah question like what should Ben and Tim have
[00:40:13] done like Ben said nobody and Tim gave the name like what do you do there they're
[00:40:17] saying you need to give us a name you give it right right you do I think you have
[00:40:21] to give them a name I think this came up on the traders also where it's like
[00:40:25] okay you don't want to necessarily throw people from your side under the bus
[00:40:30] really when people are like hey give us and it's turning into a thing you need
[00:40:35] to give people something you can't come across as that you are giving nothing
[00:40:40] uh that you know we have the invention of the name for a name last night but
[00:40:44] you need to give the other people something because you're making it seem like
[00:40:49] that okay you're you're not negotiating in good faith yeah yeah
[00:40:54] um can I just add to the Mariah thing Mariah I feel like was just I have a
[00:40:59] lot of uh you know sympathy for Mariah in the position that she was put in
[00:41:03] because she really yes she could have done more to sort of like scramble and
[00:41:09] try to save herself but at the same time that she could also piss off her
[00:41:14] original tribe right and if she pisses off Seiga then okay well now there's
[00:41:18] four Seiga votes that are coming from Mariah so it's a very like a tough
[00:41:23] needle to thread for Mariah to be able to get people to you know I mean Venus
[00:41:29] like uh didn't worry about pissing off Nami it just so happened that Yanu was
[00:41:34] like okay well we look we see Mariah as the bigger threat and I almost think
[00:41:40] that because you know I'm more than almost think I think that because Mariah
[00:41:44] was left out of the previous vote she more feels like she has to
[00:41:49] hue to the party line because you know I'm on the outs like I've got to
[00:41:53] like ingratiate myself with my with my group before I can even think about
[00:41:56] like these other groups so I don't want to go you know against what we've
[00:42:00] all agreed on now is there a world where she gives Q enough that he feels
[00:42:05] like she's open to working with him but not so much that she's going against
[00:42:09] Seiga like we don't you know yeah we didn't we don't see those whole
[00:42:12] conversations you know maybe she said hey tell us Chad yeah I want to
[00:42:16] I think that's it. I think that's the thing where you know we've we saw
[00:42:20] what Q was able to do with a Bony wear I think that and a Jess also I think
[00:42:25] that you know it's hard for Mariah to know this but I think that Q is the type
[00:42:29] of play if Mariah throws herself at the feet of Q of like you I mean I need help
[00:42:35] I don't have anybody I'm all alone like uh you know I'll do whatever you want
[00:42:40] then I think Q is looking at her as a little bit more like opportunistic but I think
[00:42:45] that's the fact that she was a little standoffish with Q had that very awkward
[00:42:49] interaction that's where he's like okay I can't work with this person but I do
[00:42:53] think that there was if there was a way to save herself I think it was probably
[00:42:57] appeal helpless to Q. Yeah yeah um that's that's or yeah and again like we just
[00:43:05] don't know the full extent of what they would everybody talked about like I'm sure
[00:43:09] that everyone is like hey I'm curious let's leave you know let's do something
[00:43:12] in the future let's see let's we got it we gotta keep talking you know like nobody
[00:43:15] is completely shutting it down except except Ben apparently and it seems to be
[00:43:18] working out for him but but uh yeah that's that's uh yeah okay Steven how about
[00:43:23] this question yeah okay so well look at that Ben says do you think most
[00:43:29] Hail Mary at tribal made Siege flip and sunkorship yeah like the rhyme yeah I
[00:43:36] don't think it had any any of these tribal councils are pretty locked in going
[00:43:42] in yeah I think that's no and especially you know nobody is suddenly
[00:43:48] changing their vote and you know um Charlie tweeted that he knew in advance
[00:43:53] that or the Mariahne an advance that she was you know gone she was on her way out
[00:43:57] she played her shot in the dark accordingly and that was why Charlie voted
[00:44:03] for Venus was because he didn't I mean he didn't necessarily know about the J Maya
[00:44:07] situation right cuz that was the last yeah yeah so hard to keep track of these
[00:44:12] seasons but but uh you know he wanted he didn't want himself to go home in a
[00:44:17] situation I mean that he very well could have gone home there so he cast that
[00:44:20] straight vote yeah I think that was smart yeah oh yeah it was absolutely the right
[00:44:23] choice and cuz he knew that Venus had had thrown out his name okay all right how
[00:44:29] about James Hall wants to does three tribes merging dampen the
[00:44:34] the purgatory feels like that there's too many dramatic for players to deal with
[00:44:38] so they revert to tribal lines to keep safe it's a bit boring two tribes might
[00:44:42] make it spicier what do you think of that I mean I think I think I think
[00:44:45] I think there's definitely like a consensus building among among the fandom
[00:44:48] that like you know a variation between two tribes and three tribes will be nice
[00:44:51] to see just in terms of how they differently play out they won't do that
[00:44:54] it's just so interesting though like Claire sat out at like three challenges
[00:44:59] and like instantly Jeff's like we're changing the rules are
[00:45:03] right no that's not happening no not on my watch we're not doing that anymore
[00:45:08] like that was the one thing that was like she touched like the third rail of
[00:45:12] like okay we're changing that like I decree next season we're changing
[00:45:17] the rules but that was like the only thing that was like you know everything
[00:45:21] is still hey Robby know one one thing I really did like and I think this
[00:45:26] is a rule change like correct me if I'm wrong everyone had to work on the
[00:45:29] puzzle yeah that was I was a rule change for the show but it was just for
[00:45:33] this puzzle yes and I like that earlier this season with the hula hoops
[00:45:36] like on the yeah no on the telephone call I like when everyone has to
[00:45:41] compete because then it really it changes that you know exposes the tribe
[00:45:44] a little bit more it pushes people yeah it kind of creates more
[00:45:47] opportunity for for drama because if everyone is just doing the thing that they
[00:45:50] are good at it's like okay like great yeah imagine how fast hunter would have finished the whole thing it wouldn't even
[00:45:55] be even been close yeah truly yeah I have a question for you Rob that we haven't
[00:46:02] really talked about so there was this debate between Venus and Mariah right and
[00:46:06] the kind of debate came to like Venus is the person who's scrambling around she's
[00:46:09] trying to make things happen and then Mariah on the other hand was not really
[00:46:13] trying to make things happen and she seemed more open to just like kind of
[00:46:16] like going with the vote who if you're the one making the decision you're
[00:46:20] cue who do you want to vote out because like you're saying like on the one
[00:46:24] hand you got this person scrambling I cues or their logic was I'm not worried about her
[00:46:28] because I know she's scrambling on the other hand you have Mariah who seems to be
[00:46:31] more you know willing to play ball and they're like she's the scary one
[00:46:35] because you know she's stealthier or something what what's your take
[00:46:39] here yeah I think that Yanu made the right decision that you have like Seiga
[00:46:44] who appears to be potentially a block of five I think I'm more scared about that
[00:46:48] than whatever Venus is going to do like if I'm cute I'm feeling a little bit
[00:46:53] more like Venus's Hunter's problem is having a problem like Venus isn't my
[00:46:59] problem right and in fact could be to your you know to your advantage down the
[00:47:03] line yeah I've only got three so she wants to vote out soda next okay I'll
[00:47:07] listen but Mariah that if once she gets through this vote and now Seiga is
[00:47:13] back to five and now okay well what if like then they pick up you know a couple
[00:47:19] of people and then all the sudden that's I mean we're down to gonna be down to
[00:47:23] what it's 12 now so they're going to do the split vote and if somehow like all
[00:47:28] the Seiga come through all the sudden there's five Seiga I don't know if
[00:47:33] they're thinking that far like two votes down the road but you know there's a path
[00:47:37] for Seiga to potentially get the majority of the group so I understand why
[00:47:41] they end up going with Mariah over Venus yeah I have another question for you here
[00:47:46] Rob Tim said people commit to early and that was why he didn't want to you
[00:47:50] know go all in with the plus one alliance what is your perspective do people
[00:47:55] commit too early or do they not commit early enough I mean I think that the
[00:47:59] history of survivor is people don't commit early enough yeah I think so too
[00:48:05] I think so too also what do you think about when Hunter had the chance to be
[00:48:10] able to go after the key when the boats were coming that was fun that was a very
[00:48:17] fun scene I like that you like it well I just like there was a little bit I feel
[00:48:21] like they read condit a little bit where I feel like that last week his clue
[00:48:24] said you'll have a chance to be able to get your key and then this week he was
[00:48:29] saying like it's either when you lose a tribe or when they tell you to drop your
[00:48:33] buffs that's when I was like since when what is this
[00:48:38] maybe they shouldn't read the whole thing yeah maybe there's like a
[00:48:42] cortisol that came you know in the thing okay yeah that was the
[00:48:46] the end of yeah but John wants to know okay question about my
[00:48:51] loser stink theory can you expand on the theory of a loser stink Rob
[00:48:57] discussed last week in light of this episode it is is it mostly a season
[00:49:02] 42 and zero vote finalist phenomenon or do you see more examples
[00:49:05] who is in danger of stinking this season is avoiding the stink the number
[00:49:09] one reason Seiga is correct to have voted Mariah no I don't think that
[00:49:15] I think that Mariah was more of a nothing then somebody who
[00:49:20] was had the loser's think so who is the loser stink right now well
[00:49:24] I hate I hate to say it because I'm such a fan but right now it's Venus
[00:49:29] it's you know like here let me give you a pre season for a new
[00:49:36] era person Adam Klein winners at war okay like hey everybody Sony and
[00:49:41] Sarah they're running things we gotta go after them come on you
[00:49:45] know that person ultimately like cannot win the game sometimes
[00:49:50] they last as much as they get to the end and I'll say I went back and
[00:49:54] I watched that's our 42 get Romeo is like all right I'm feeling good now
[00:49:59] oh our glass all right I'm in power come on Tory come on Chanel
[00:50:03] let's do this you know if it doesn't take that that person is just
[00:50:10] not going to be in a position where people regard them and they
[00:50:15] can they stay in the game yeah but I think it's I think that's what Jeff is
[00:50:19] saying to the start of this season about like there's one person who can't
[00:50:21] win I think that's the same thing it's like you are just in the situation
[00:50:24] where your personality is for whatever reason not going to like you
[00:50:28] know connect with the people around you and you're always going to be the one
[00:50:31] like scrambling and no one is going to listen to you and it's a horrible
[00:50:33] position to be in mm-hmm yeah I mean it's sort of like you you know you
[00:50:38] shoot your shot but we if you miss your shot like it's very hard
[00:50:42] to come back from that people see you in a different way yeah yeah
[00:50:47] you know like what are you gonna do I can make some analogies and I'm
[00:50:57] gonna I'm not going to all right Steven how about Lorenzo wants to know
[00:51:07] how do we think Ben is positioned in his game I get the sense that
[00:51:11] Seiga overrates his charm and social game based on how he aligns
[00:51:15] with the vibe of their tribe whereas he doesn't seem like his personality
[00:51:19] meshes with everyone else in the game that's a really good
[00:51:23] um that's a really good analysis that like because he was such an
[00:51:26] important part of their group and their sort of vibe that he becomes
[00:51:31] like you know mythologized in their narrative but actually he doesn't
[00:51:34] have the same magic and again like that's almost like the inverse of
[00:51:38] the loser stink right it's almost the inverse of that person who doesn't
[00:51:41] connect it's with with their tribe it's like the person who connects
[00:51:43] too hard with with their tribe and like then doesn't like it's not
[00:51:47] translatable to the outside tribes I yeah I mean are there other
[00:51:50] people like that maybe that's just one maybe that's just this one person
[00:51:53] um it's you know it's it's hard I think that that um Gabriel
[00:51:58] Cade once again Gabriel Cade yeah but Ben and that look I think
[00:52:02] that if you if you if Ben is your type of person you love Ben and
[00:52:08] I think that Ben is is good at making like surface relationships
[00:52:13] I think he's a very likable person but as a player I don't really
[00:52:18] know like I feel like that he's like very surface level as a player
[00:52:22] I don't think that Ben is doing too much scheming I just don't
[00:52:26] think that that's it seems like just a great guy he doesn't seem like
[00:52:31] that he is overly strategic and I kind of feel like that I'm not sure
[00:52:36] I'm getting that from Tim either as being somebody who's overly strategic
[00:52:41] it seems like that out of the people that are left from Seiga
[00:52:44] it's Maria and Charlie who are the strategist and I think that they were
[00:52:48] sort of fine to let Seiga be sort of like vibes and surface level
[00:52:52] during their time together but now for Ben and for Tim
[00:52:59] like I don't know if they necessarily have that next year to be able
[00:53:02] to like come up with going after big threats at the merge.
[00:53:06] Well as you know and like you know one of the thoughts I've really
[00:53:11] clung to that I stole from Twitter is that this idea that the best
[00:53:15] strategy in new air to survivor is just to be like friends with everyone
[00:53:19] and hope like the random chaos works out in your favor.
[00:53:22] It's just like to be well liked be chill yeah but who's the person who
[00:53:27] was the winner that had that gableer?
[00:53:30] Yeah.
[00:53:31] Other than that like and gableer did and gableer did more than
[00:53:36] obviously played a strong, James is not a good example because he played a great game
[00:53:39] but he was like you know he was just like friends with everybody
[00:53:41] he wasn't like I mean like he was friends there but he played a hard game
[00:53:44] jam jam and and and he's like he really is a you know a very
[00:53:49] strategic thinker too so look being I think friends with everybody
[00:53:54] will get you so far but I don't think it's enough just to be like
[00:53:58] have a good social game right right.
[00:54:00] Yeah yeah okay all right I know we got to start to wrap things up
[00:54:06] anything else on your mind from this week Steven you didn't
[00:54:10] give out the fishy oh gosh who do we give the fishy to Rob I
[00:54:14] mean it's got to be someone who should we give it to so I
[00:54:20] mean I feel like on a week where there wasn't I mean
[00:54:25] Q got his way I mean yeah I could get cute but like you know I
[00:54:30] thought he was a little too aggro about I'm gonna say Hunter how
[00:54:33] about that how about Hunter because he got the idol you
[00:54:38] know we don't talk about child performance we did very well on
[00:54:41] the challenge yes and I mean they did the Nami person did get to
[00:54:45] stay but I don't even know if that's what they wanted.
[00:54:47] Yeah well the other thing about Hunter too I thought he played
[00:54:50] like the no vote thing very well he did he did a very good job with
[00:54:54] that he really played up like yeah I'm just I'm just here you
[00:54:58] know like I told everyone he didn't have a vote and that gave him
[00:55:01] like the nia ability for basically everything yes meanwhile he's
[00:55:05] also really did a very good job.
[00:55:07] I've like track that as well throughout the new era where
[00:55:10] Omar in that 42 episode I talked about Jesse also in 543
[00:55:14] like it's a good spot to be in to come into the merge ironically
[00:55:19] with no vote at the tribal council especially if you're immune
[00:55:23] but then you can't really like that that's sort of like best case
[00:55:26] scenario to be immune.
[00:55:28] I said this last night but that ironically Hunter without a vote
[00:55:33] and safe had more agency than Venus with a vote but not safe.
[00:55:39] Yeah well the safety thing is just so it's so broken I think
[00:55:43] that like the people and because and then just the very fact of going
[00:55:46] to the feast you know that it's only those seven people like
[00:55:49] maybe there's a world where everyone gets to feed I still don't like it
[00:55:52] you know everyone got to feast just the very fact of like getting to sit
[00:55:55] there and dying and like you you're you're gone now it's just
[00:55:59] like leaves a bad vibe.
[00:56:01] I mean just to go through it I mean like the last couple
[00:56:03] seasons it's like they go to the feast somebody says the name at
[00:56:06] the feast and that's the person who goes home it's almost like
[00:56:08] that they the the losers should likes at least sit there
[00:56:11] and get to hear the names that get said.
[00:56:13] That's the thing they don't even get to be in the discussion.
[00:56:16] Gableer throws out Ellie's name in in survivor 44 Matt and Franneer
[00:56:21] or are talking about Josh I believe in survivor 45 I'm not
[00:56:26] I'm not sure if Caleb's name came up at the at the merge feast.
[00:56:33] I do remember Cattura sort of like giving somebody a side eye maybe
[00:56:38] I felt like it was afterwards because it was like we did Bruce talk
[00:56:41] about it. We got it like when they would but then we got it
[00:56:44] during like this sort of like merged like you know strategy said
[00:56:47] like the merge kind of like scramble session Bruce was like
[00:56:49] cable is Caleb talking to everyone. Yeah at least the hourglass
[00:56:52] like flip that on its head bring it back.
[00:56:54] Yeah right yeah I mean just but up and then yeah she's up
[00:56:59] once as they did the hourglass it's like the winners sit
[00:57:02] together sort of hopped up Rob Elbows pick the person who's going to go home
[00:57:06] and call it a day and the other is just like wait there
[00:57:09] to be told like which of them gets to be voted out it's
[00:57:11] a bad it's like it's not you know it's a bad vibe.
[00:57:14] Yeah all right Stephen all right what else come up for you?
[00:57:18] Well the past I've mentioned before the neutrino prize that I'm
[00:57:22] judging for passages north magazine the submissions close in
[00:57:25] eleven days so I want to encourage you to get your short
[00:57:28] short fiction again short short you know you know it has only
[00:57:31] to be short short submitted passages north dot com
[00:57:35] backslash contests. Okay eleven days eleven days you can
[00:57:39] write something short short eleven days yeah look at all
[00:57:41] of the tweets we put out. Yeah all right what else
[00:57:45] anything for you Stephen I don't think so do I have
[00:57:49] anything else going on I don't think so. Okay all right well
[00:57:53] I'm gonna be back on Friday to do the patron feedback
[00:57:58] show coming we had a great call last Friday the patrons had
[00:58:01] some really great strategic questions looking forward to that
[00:58:04] that's going to be alive at three p.m. Eastern so check that out
[00:58:08] also I did my exit interview earlier today so check out
[00:58:12] what Mariah had to say and then over the weekend so I'm going
[00:58:17] to be traveling this weekend but shepella is going to be holding
[00:58:20] down club condo on Monday so check that out as well plus
[00:58:26] I took on franny Marin in a twitch as I mocked all of the young
[00:58:31] people who know all the survivor stuff I will be taking on another
[00:58:34] one in this week in survivor history I guess like what's
[00:58:38] what's sadder to be a person in your twenties who knows
[00:58:41] everything about survivor a person in your forties taking
[00:58:45] not they're both great it's a great situation to be in for both of you
[00:58:49] yes you're happy we love survivor love my God that sounds wonderful
[00:58:53] all right Stephen thank you so much thank you so much for joining us
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