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[00:03:40] And so back here with my guru, Stephen Fishback.
[00:03:43] Hello.
[00:03:44] How are you Rob?
[00:03:46] Yeah, doing good.
[00:03:47] I like your shirt.
[00:03:48] No, thank you.
[00:03:49] Is it sweater or jacket?
[00:03:50] I mean, it's like a jacket, a wool jacket or a coat.
[00:03:54] Yeah, overcoat.
[00:03:55] Yes.
[00:03:56] Love it.
[00:03:57] Okay.
[00:03:58] How are you?
[00:03:59] Yeah, doing pretty good.
[00:04:00] We were a little bit earlier so our exit interview with Bonu has not posted but be on the lookout.
[00:04:06] It should be dropping right after this podcast.
[00:04:10] You don't want to counter program ourselves.
[00:04:12] So we will be putting up the Bonu exit interview.
[00:04:15] How to nice chat with Bonu.
[00:04:17] He had a great plaid shirt on in the office.
[00:04:20] Was it an attribute?
[00:04:21] I don't believe so.
[00:04:23] He's a super fan though.
[00:04:24] All he talks about is what a super fan he is.
[00:04:26] He is a super fan.
[00:04:27] Yes, but I do not believe.
[00:04:28] It's part of the devolution of strategy.
[00:04:30] Yeah.
[00:04:31] A lot of people felt like this was too much a Bonu.
[00:04:41] They felt like that maybe this was getting a little bond old.
[00:04:44] Wow.
[00:04:45] That's pretty good too.
[00:04:46] That's very good.
[00:04:47] Yeah.
[00:04:48] I agree.
[00:04:49] Here's the thing.
[00:04:50] We talked about this a couple of episodes ago, even before last week which was 13 Confessionals
[00:04:54] or something which I think is the most ever in the first three episodes.
[00:04:58] I think he actually saw this on Twitter this morning that I think that he's four away from
[00:05:03] Erica right now for Confessionals in the season.
[00:05:06] Yes.
[00:05:07] But that reaches Sue on Twitter had that.
[00:05:09] What?
[00:05:10] Okay.
[00:05:11] I'm like among the most Confessionals ever and this is the problem with Bonu.
[00:05:15] I think that all of the things people say about Bonu, plays with so much heart is interesting
[00:05:22] from a strategic perspective because he creates demands on the other players to manage.
[00:05:26] Yeah.
[00:05:27] That is true.
[00:05:28] What was particularly frustrating about Bonu was just how much of him there was.
[00:05:32] And we started talking about it.
[00:05:34] Like other players, I mean, I always go back to see Fu from last season.
[00:05:38] Not enough.
[00:05:39] Not enough see Fu.
[00:05:40] Not enough seafood.
[00:05:41] The Dolblers.
[00:05:42] So somewhere in the past five seasons, we had seafood.
[00:05:44] And you know, we just kind of little seafood,
[00:05:47] just a little seafood and body with seafood
[00:05:48] are not totally equivalent players
[00:05:50] or not totally equivalent positions,
[00:05:51] but you know, these kind of like big larger than life
[00:05:55] somewhat irritating presences.
[00:05:59] I feel like they're better in maybe not even small doses,
[00:06:02] just like normal doses.
[00:06:03] They don't need to be extra big doses.
[00:06:05] By the way, Steven, here's from the chat.
[00:06:08] Brooks is not to be weird,
[00:06:09] but Steven, your skin is glowing today.
[00:06:11] Dropping my daughter.
[00:06:13] My daughter moist, she's like into like getting
[00:06:15] it putting moisture in cream and like one thing she likes to do
[00:06:17] is like put it on my wife and me.
[00:06:18] So maybe it's working.
[00:06:19] Maybe it's working.
[00:06:20] I'll share that with her.
[00:06:21] But as thinking of which,
[00:06:22] I would watch a clip that you posted
[00:06:24] of your interview with Mary Annie.
[00:06:25] She's making me look very handsome.
[00:06:26] I'll thank you.
[00:06:27] I'm too.
[00:06:28] Like fish that you aesthetically,
[00:06:30] because I'm so busy feeding.
[00:06:31] Yes, intellectually serenely.
[00:06:33] Yes, yes.
[00:06:35] So okay, do go back to what you were saying.
[00:06:37] Yeah, I think that for Bonu,
[00:06:39] like I think that for Bonu was a little unfair
[00:06:41] in that Bonu and maybe that he was rooting for this.
[00:06:47] But Bonu did not plan to have seven hours of content
[00:06:50] in four episodes of like Bonu.
[00:06:54] Bonu did not know there would be two hour episodes
[00:06:57] and the 90 minute episodes out there on the island.
[00:07:00] Bonu did not know necessarily,
[00:07:02] if Bonu's tribe had gone to maybe two tribal councils,
[00:07:07] maybe you would not have seen so much Bonu
[00:07:11] in the first four episodes.
[00:07:13] So I do think that we probably,
[00:07:15] we got too much of Bonu,
[00:07:17] but I don't think that that's necessarily Bonu's fault
[00:07:21] of how much we were oversaturated with the Bonu.
[00:07:26] The only thing I want to say about that is he is,
[00:07:29] we have learned, I guess over the past week,
[00:07:32] maybe people knew this already.
[00:07:33] I have learned over the past week that he is an actor dancer,
[00:07:37] which an actor dancer also seems to be creating a lot
[00:07:41] of drama and getting a lot of screen time.
[00:07:42] You have to wonder is he getting a lot of screen time
[00:07:46] because he's a sensitive emotional actor dancer
[00:07:48] or is he an actor dancer who knows how
[00:07:50] to pull attention onto himself?
[00:07:52] It's interesting that I went back
[00:07:54] and I watched his preseason interviews with Mike Bloom
[00:07:59] and he talked about his superpower that he said
[00:08:02] was that he has the ability to read people.
[00:08:05] That is his superpower, his kryptonite though
[00:08:07] he told Mike Bloom was knowing when
[00:08:11] to play with people's emotions on the show,
[00:08:14] that was gonna be his kryptonite
[00:08:16] of that he would not be able to necessarily
[00:08:17] restrain himself.
[00:08:18] I don't think that Bonu is a super calculated person
[00:08:23] where is operating to try to get
[00:08:27] maximum clout out of all of this,
[00:08:29] but I do feel like that.
[00:08:33] If this was his intention, he definitely did a good job.
[00:08:36] Yeah.
[00:08:37] The other thing I want to say was that his story
[00:08:39] like is legitimately insanely inspiring
[00:08:42] and it's such an incredible tale
[00:08:44] and someone who is like climbing up as someone myself,
[00:08:49] I'm on my way down.
[00:08:51] My grandfather was a lawyer, my dad,
[00:08:53] it was the doctor, I'm a survivor podcast co-host.
[00:08:57] So I'm going in the other direction
[00:08:59] and I have so much respect for Bonu who's on the a sense.
[00:09:03] Yeah.
[00:09:04] He does have an amazing story
[00:09:06] and that's the thing I feel like that we hear Jeff
[00:09:10] and what he's looking for from the show
[00:09:13] and Bonu walks into like this is perfect.
[00:09:15] This is the stories that we're trying to tell
[00:09:18] and so Bonu wants to be shown
[00:09:21] he's representing for all these different people
[00:09:25] in with all these different intersectionalities
[00:09:29] and that's really incredible for Bonu and that's great,
[00:09:34] but maybe isn't the reason why people are coming to survive.
[00:09:38] If we can get that great
[00:09:40] but isn't the reason maybe we're coming to survivor
[00:09:43] and I think that that's where the disconnect might be.
[00:09:45] Yeah.
[00:09:46] But again, like seeing Bonu as an obstacle
[00:09:48] for other good players to play around,
[00:09:49] I think the show needs more of that.
[00:09:52] We talked about this a little bit last week
[00:09:54] where you want there to be bad players
[00:09:57] that makes it interesting for the good players.
[00:09:59] If everyone is just operating with the same
[00:10:01] essential level of gamesmanship,
[00:10:04] then it becomes just mechanical, it becomes chess,
[00:10:07] it becomes the thing that people have been frustrated
[00:10:08] with with contemporary survivor
[00:10:09] where it's just equivalent pieces
[00:10:12] being moved around aboard becomes unemotional.
[00:10:14] Yeah, so I don't think the issue was necessarily
[00:10:16] Bonu's involvement in the season,
[00:10:20] but I do feel like that the way that this unfolded
[00:10:24] I think plays into sort of like
[00:10:26] the weak points of the three tribe format
[00:10:31] and the nowhere to hide idea
[00:10:34] where had this been in a two tribe season
[00:10:38] and where maybe Bonu is one of seven people
[00:10:42] that there would have been maybe an out
[00:10:45] where not necessarily that Bonu was going to be able
[00:10:48] to figure out a different plan,
[00:10:50] but maybe one of the other players
[00:10:52] might have been more motivated of like,
[00:10:54] yeah, sure, we could take out Bonu,
[00:10:56] but there's also this other plan which might happen.
[00:11:00] Like I can't feel like that what we got
[00:11:03] out of last night's episode
[00:11:04] where we went to a four person tribal council
[00:11:07] where it was a foregone conclusion
[00:11:09] where the person getting voted out
[00:11:10] did not even have a vote or a shot in the dark
[00:11:13] to be able to play no chance at an idle.
[00:11:16] I can't imagine in the blueprint
[00:11:19] that they have for survivor,
[00:11:20] it's like, okay, this is one of our optimal outcomes.
[00:11:24] Yeah, exactly.
[00:11:25] Well, and it seemed like that was a possibility, right?
[00:11:27] I mean, Q attempting to eliminate Kenzie instead of Bonu
[00:11:32] and keep Bonu kind of his pocket ally,
[00:11:35] like that would be very interesting, right?
[00:11:36] As the season wore on,
[00:11:38] can you control Bonu?
[00:11:40] This extremely emotional player who's got instinct
[00:11:44] to tell everyone everything, I feel like that would be very
[00:11:46] interesting story.
[00:11:47] Yes, that would like if that played out across the season,
[00:11:50] I think that would be interesting to watch.
[00:11:52] You know, even, you know,
[00:11:53] I mean, I think Kenzie is playing a very strong game,
[00:11:55] but like even more than Kenzie's strong game,
[00:11:57] which is something that we've probably
[00:11:59] closer to what we've seen before,
[00:12:01] this attempt to control someone like Bonu
[00:12:04] would kind of be an interesting story.
[00:12:05] So it is too bad that didn't really have the chance
[00:12:07] to flourish.
[00:12:09] Yeah.
[00:12:10] And with this three tribe format,
[00:12:12] we're going to now have this situation
[00:12:15] where now okay, this group of three is coming into
[00:12:19] potentially emerge at a very big disadvantage now.
[00:12:22] Do you think that they have a shot to move forward
[00:12:26] in the post-Bonu world?
[00:12:28] What's so interesting is that most people who come
[00:12:31] from the decimated tribe, right?
[00:12:33] There's a sense of their weakness, right?
[00:12:35] Oh, those people, they're no good.
[00:12:36] That's the F up tribe.
[00:12:38] They're screwed.
[00:12:39] But what's interesting is that like the two pieces
[00:12:42] of information that the other tribes have
[00:12:44] about these three players all make,
[00:12:46] like totally elevate their threat level.
[00:12:48] One is like, Kenzie is a mastermind
[00:12:50] and the other is that Q and Tiffany are a pair.
[00:12:53] That totally screws them over
[00:12:55] because the major advantage to being
[00:12:58] as part of a of a screw up tribe right,
[00:13:00] I'm not saying is that people underestimate you
[00:13:03] but instead like all they know about these guys
[00:13:07] is that one is a strategic threat
[00:13:09] and the other is like a duo threat
[00:13:10] and that's terrible.
[00:13:12] It really puts a target on them
[00:13:14] instead of giving them the opportunity to evade a target.
[00:13:17] Yeah, I think that they are going
[00:13:19] to have a very hard time moving forward.
[00:13:21] I mean perhaps one of them could potentially
[00:13:24] and maybe Kenzie could be the one to flip
[00:13:27] on the pair of Q and Tiffany
[00:13:29] but I don't really have high hopes
[00:13:31] for anybody coming out of Yano.
[00:13:33] Yeah, it's tough.
[00:13:34] I do think, you know, I mean Q at a great confession
[00:13:36] like in addition to being this young athletic guy
[00:13:39] like now I'm also part of a pair, you know, I'm screwed.
[00:13:42] I would be so furious if that happened.
[00:13:45] You know and the Q training scene with Bon who was
[00:13:51] very funny and also I thought good like good for him
[00:13:54] he's like we might be stuck with this person.
[00:13:56] Let's try to make the best of it.
[00:13:57] I mean that is what you have to do on survivor.
[00:13:59] You have to say these are the cards I've been dealt.
[00:14:03] I don't like these cards.
[00:14:04] I'd like to get rid of this card
[00:14:06] but I have to figure out how to make it work
[00:14:08] and I really, I had so much respect for Q
[00:14:10] for putting in the effort.
[00:14:11] Yeah.
[00:14:12] And I also completely understood Kenzie
[00:14:14] where she was coming from where Bonnie
[00:14:15] like comes down is like now it's your turn
[00:14:17] to you know, cuddle my emotions
[00:14:20] and she's like no, I don't want you to screw this all over.
[00:14:22] I didn't even say that.
[00:14:24] She was like hey, can I just get five minutes
[00:14:27] and he went off into the jungle
[00:14:30] and was like inconsolable after that.
[00:14:33] Yeah, it's I mean it really is crazy
[00:14:36] just you know that level of emotional
[00:14:41] demand it is like it's really a challenge
[00:14:45] to play with someone like that.
[00:14:46] I mean I was trying to think to myself
[00:14:48] like would I rather play
[00:14:49] I know what we talked about this a little bit last week
[00:14:51] like would I rather play with Bono
[00:14:51] or would I rather play with Abby?
[00:14:52] Like Abby too like you had to constantly put in
[00:14:54] the effort to keeping her happy
[00:14:56] otherwise she would turn on you
[00:14:57] and it looked like Bono is basically doing that
[00:14:59] you know he was like and cute treating me like a child
[00:15:02] and even the people who were reaching out to him
[00:15:06] he was lashing out at because you know
[00:15:07] there was just one brief moment
[00:15:09] where he wasn't being coddled by the rest of the group.
[00:15:11] Yeah, so I think that Abby like there's more bite there
[00:15:17] with the Brazilian dragon like
[00:15:19] you don't want more danger
[00:15:21] get on her bad side where Bono like yeah
[00:15:25] he might screw up the plans
[00:15:27] but you're not necessarily worried about the counter strike
[00:15:30] from Bono.
[00:15:31] Yeah, that's right
[00:15:32] and that's why I would rather play with Bono than Abby.
[00:15:34] Yeah, right?
[00:15:35] Yeah, well Abby like I personally adore Abby Maria's company
[00:15:41] I'm scared.
[00:15:43] No, she would rather watch Abby
[00:15:45] Abby's great TV I would rather watch Abby
[00:15:47] but I would never I would never play with her again.
[00:15:50] Yeah, you know I was thinking of speaking of Abby Maria
[00:15:53] watch this transition.
[00:15:54] Okay, go back to some of our Philippines
[00:15:55] and the Matt Singh tribe
[00:15:57] I was just thinking about like we really
[00:15:59] we love that season
[00:16:00] and thought that that was so interesting
[00:16:02] to watch the plight of Matt Singh
[00:16:05] and really I felt like that
[00:16:07] the journey of like Malcolm and Denise
[00:16:10] we were sort of like started with them
[00:16:12] and we were watching them trying to okay
[00:16:14] how do we figure out a maneuver
[00:16:16] with this sinking ship that we have here
[00:16:19] like ultimately culminating in that
[00:16:22] you know Malcolm and Denise have to figure out
[00:16:24] that their word maybe could Russell Swan have an idol
[00:16:27] and so they're really trying to figure out.
[00:16:29] So it was almost like that as the numbers decreased
[00:16:31] in that situation
[00:16:33] the stakes got higher from a strategic standpoint
[00:16:37] and that was not the case with watching Yannu
[00:16:41] get down from six to three.
[00:16:42] That's a very good point
[00:16:43] that's a really good point
[00:16:44] like the last few votes
[00:16:45] I mean you've got this tight trio
[00:16:47] they're probably not
[00:16:48] I mean there was some drama around Kenzie last episode
[00:16:51] but it's I didn't see that since here
[00:16:54] well I did honestly it seemed like that
[00:16:57] that there would have been
[00:16:57] and maybe had we had gotten a vote last week
[00:17:01] that there would have been
[00:17:03] a more interesting scenario
[00:17:05] but it seems like that Kenzie would have gone home.
[00:17:08] I don't know
[00:17:09] I didn't totally buy that
[00:17:11] I mean I felt like the way that Tiff was talking about it
[00:17:14] or Tiffany was talking
[00:17:15] can I say Tiff?
[00:17:17] I mean that's okay
[00:17:19] People are counter-tiff
[00:17:20] yeah, it was just
[00:17:21] the you could end up at a Tiff
[00:17:23] yes, that she was not
[00:17:26] you know not on board with that plan
[00:17:28] and we thought about it last week
[00:17:29] I think we thought that it was not going to happen
[00:17:30] well she said that
[00:17:31] could you imagine if we voted off Kenzie
[00:17:33] I would throw myself in the ocean
[00:17:39] but that doesn't seem to suggest
[00:17:40] that she wanted to vote off Kenzie
[00:17:41] I mean I guess it was an option
[00:17:43] that they were discussing
[00:17:44] yeah it was a possibility
[00:17:45] yeah yeah
[00:17:46] you know the real winner
[00:17:48] from this episode
[00:17:49] and last episode is I think Jolinsky
[00:17:51] who now you know
[00:17:52] in retrospect
[00:17:53] yeah as much less of a screw up
[00:17:54] you know at the time he was like
[00:17:55] look at this screw up
[00:17:56] what a go
[00:17:57] and now we're like
[00:17:59] yeah
[00:17:59] I'm glad you're in the great
[00:18:01] you know
[00:18:01] what did you see that
[00:18:02] they released the names
[00:18:05] of the episodes coming up
[00:18:06] and that's the seventh episode
[00:18:08] of the season is called Episode
[00:18:10] several
[00:18:11] I don't know if that's official
[00:18:14] or that's doctor
[00:18:14] I might have got duped
[00:18:16] good for them
[00:18:16] yeah who if it's I mean
[00:18:17] that's that's great
[00:18:19] yeah so but
[00:18:21] just I don't know
[00:18:21] I can't see the word
[00:18:22] several with that
[00:18:23] seeing thinking seven anymore
[00:18:24] like it's completely
[00:18:25] and like like colonized my brain
[00:18:28] I just cannot
[00:18:29] like it's absolutely taken over
[00:18:30] yeah
[00:18:31] all right
[00:18:32] so anything else on
[00:18:34] the Banyu situation
[00:18:37] what we got to talk about
[00:18:38] the big thing which was
[00:18:39] their choice to not have a vote
[00:18:42] yes you tweeted about this
[00:18:43] you know honestly
[00:18:44] it did not bother me
[00:18:46] I do see that there are some
[00:18:48] people who feel like
[00:18:49] we should always vote
[00:18:51] and I think in some of the other
[00:18:54] instances like I feel like
[00:18:56] I could have seen where
[00:18:58] that case could have been made
[00:19:01] and I would agree with it more
[00:19:03] but here in this spot
[00:19:05] every single person is saying
[00:19:07] the vote is going to be Banyu
[00:19:09] if somebody actually wanted
[00:19:12] to do something different
[00:19:14] that Jeff I believe even said
[00:19:16] on the on fire podcast
[00:19:17] that like okay if somebody
[00:19:18] was secretly planning
[00:19:20] to do something underhanded
[00:19:21] they would like they would
[00:19:23] not even suggest that this
[00:19:25] came up and you had a novel
[00:19:27] idea
[00:19:29] well what I
[00:19:30] I need a good idea for a novel
[00:19:32] no what I had
[00:19:33] what I had written
[00:19:35] was that
[00:19:37] and actually I've seen
[00:19:37] that other people have
[00:19:38] suggested the same thing
[00:19:39] subsequently or they may have
[00:19:40] used but
[00:19:42] was that now you know
[00:19:44] that if there's no counter
[00:19:45] plans they're willing to do
[00:19:46] this you know and I actually
[00:19:48] just read a tweet from Heather
[00:19:50] Cannon where she kind of like
[00:19:51] actually expanded further on
[00:19:52] it
[00:19:53] and I had about the idea that
[00:19:54] like you know they're taking
[00:19:56] information that like secret
[00:19:57] information that they have
[00:19:58] from confessionals
[00:19:59] that there is no other plan
[00:20:01] you know that
[00:20:03] that is that's going to happen
[00:20:06] and
[00:20:08] they're like using that
[00:20:09] to structure how tribal
[00:20:10] council works right
[00:20:11] well we don't need a vote
[00:20:13] because everyone agrees
[00:20:15] this is the plan there's no
[00:20:16] there's no devious anything
[00:20:18] now if you go into tribal
[00:20:19] like push Jeff you know
[00:20:21] future survivor players
[00:20:22] push Jeff on it we're like okay
[00:20:24] we're all agreed on the plan
[00:20:25] this person knows it's that
[00:20:26] like we don't need a vote
[00:20:27] and if someone says there's
[00:20:28] going to be a vote they're like
[00:20:29] no we have to have a vote today
[00:20:30] you're like oh
[00:20:30] oh there's something I don't
[00:20:31] know about going on
[00:20:32] you know I mean
[00:20:33] it does kind of mess with the
[00:20:35] format and I'm curious like
[00:20:36] you know Jeff's explanation
[00:20:38] I read his interview I think
[00:20:39] with Dalton where he explained
[00:20:41] you know he said
[00:20:42] you know this this way
[00:20:43] bono got to go out on his own
[00:20:46] terms and that's like
[00:20:47] literally counter to the whole
[00:20:49] format of survivor where you
[00:20:50] never like you're going out on
[00:20:52] other people's terms you don't
[00:20:53] get to go out on your own
[00:20:53] terms like the whole point
[00:20:55] of being voted out is that
[00:20:56] you're you're going out
[00:20:57] not on your term well I think we
[00:20:59] saw this in practice last
[00:21:01] season on the Sean quay where
[00:21:03] Sean was like I'd like to go
[00:21:05] home um meanwhile there was a
[00:21:07] plan in the works to
[00:21:08] potentially vote out c-foo
[00:21:10] and so that they did insist on a
[00:21:12] vote in that particular
[00:21:14] instance and then we know that
[00:21:16] c-foo ended up getting
[00:21:18] that one vote from d which
[00:21:20] ended up creating a lot of
[00:21:22] problems I do think from a
[00:21:24] TV standpoint in this
[00:21:25] particular instance like I
[00:21:27] think that we know everybody was
[00:21:29] on board here in doing that
[00:21:31] there's only three votes
[00:21:33] I don't know necessarily like how
[00:21:35] there would have been some kind of
[00:21:37] big bait and switch that could
[00:21:39] have happened my own
[00:21:40] request point just got it
[00:21:42] it's like it's not like a lot of
[00:21:43] screen time to be like now's time
[00:21:44] to vote okay show walking up read
[00:21:46] the votes that's like half a
[00:21:48] second you know
[00:21:49] I mean it's like every like all right
[00:21:50] first vote
[00:21:52] banu here's my thing that Jeff
[00:21:53] reaches in takes out all the
[00:21:54] bonnobot it's all bonnobot
[00:21:57] hold just three of us
[00:21:58] over with many held up all the
[00:21:59] bonnobot slick it's all bon bonnobon
[00:22:02] bonnobonio that's fair that is
[00:22:04] fair but I still think that it
[00:22:05] sets a bad precedent where now
[00:22:07] players
[00:22:08] know that there's a world where
[00:22:10] you don't have to vote also in the
[00:22:12] past like hasn't it been like a
[00:22:13] badge of ignominy you know like
[00:22:14] ignominy did I pronounce that
[00:22:15] correctly um
[00:22:17] depends what you're gonna say next
[00:22:18] um
[00:22:19] what does this
[00:22:20] um
[00:22:21] you know it was like
[00:22:22] Varner was like sent out without
[00:22:23] you don't deserve a vote get out
[00:22:24] of here you know you don't
[00:22:25] deserve to be like
[00:22:27] part of this game where like take
[00:22:28] you know all who else has been
[00:22:29] sent home without a vote
[00:22:30] Brandon Hans
[00:22:32] yeah yeah get out of here you
[00:22:33] know you're done like this is
[00:22:35] not like a badge of honor for
[00:22:36] your like beautiful story
[00:22:37] like this is like you
[00:22:38] are like
[00:22:40] a terrible human and need to be like
[00:22:41] removed
[00:22:43] yeah okay
[00:22:45] I see what you're saying um
[00:22:47] in this particular instance it
[00:22:48] didn't bother me I was really I
[00:22:50] didn't think they were gonna have
[00:22:51] trouble council I was like yeah
[00:22:52] they were on the beach I kind of
[00:22:53] thought it was like five minutes
[00:22:55] left I feel like that maybe is
[00:22:56] Jeff just coming out here on a
[00:22:58] boat
[00:22:59] yeah yeah um
[00:23:02] I don't know I had to get like
[00:23:04] the precedent it's like you know
[00:23:05] now you know now you know
[00:23:06] yeah that if it's oh it's
[00:23:08] it's unanimous you know even he
[00:23:09] knows there's no I mean it is
[00:23:11] rare that there's no shot in the
[00:23:12] dark that can be played right so
[00:23:13] there's all in some ways this is
[00:23:14] actually a virtue of the shot in
[00:23:16] the dark is that it always creates
[00:23:17] a little bit of a question
[00:23:19] um stops Jeff from just you
[00:23:21] from just skipping the vote
[00:23:22] entirely every time yeah we don't
[00:23:24] really need to do this let's just
[00:23:25] move on okay this is more of an
[00:23:27] emotional experience not about a
[00:23:28] vote yes okay Steven let's talk
[00:23:31] about some of the other stuff
[00:23:33] going on because I think that
[00:23:34] we're sort of sort of for the first
[00:23:35] time this season starting to get
[00:23:38] interesting uh strategy talk at the
[00:23:40] other two tribes okay yeah um let's
[00:23:43] start with Seiga and gem and uh
[00:23:47] her maneuver with the beware
[00:23:49] advantage uh do you like what gem is
[00:23:51] doing I think I liked it I mean it
[00:23:55] does create a lot I mean I don't know
[00:23:57] to be honest I do you know you talk
[00:24:00] a lot about how players will often
[00:24:02] you know I think it was Matt
[00:24:03] is that last season Matt sometime
[00:24:05] in the last five seasons two seasons
[00:24:06] ago Matt um you know just do things
[00:24:09] Matthew Matthew yeah um I thought
[00:24:13] you were talking about survive the
[00:24:14] Amazon for a second yeah the great
[00:24:17] strategy just Matt um from survivor
[00:24:19] of the Amazon sharpening his machete
[00:24:22] will you know those do things and it
[00:24:24] will seem strategic because it's
[00:24:25] things it's things that are happening
[00:24:27] I don't know though because
[00:24:30] inherently what this does is it creates a
[00:24:33] question where is this
[00:24:36] and you know gem's pitching it as well this
[00:24:39] is my opportunity to point fingers
[00:24:41] you know target people but you know why
[00:24:44] wouldn't it rebound onto her um it's
[00:24:47] such a small try yeah it's like it creates
[00:24:50] suspicion it create you know she has this
[00:24:53] thing nobody knows about it everybody
[00:24:54] thinks it doesn't um most most of them
[00:24:58] apparently think they haven't even
[00:24:59] found it yet like that level of secrecy
[00:25:01] seems like a much better position to be
[00:25:04] than to have like everybody kind of like
[00:25:06] wondering and pointing fingers and
[00:25:08] suspecting like what do you what do you
[00:25:09] think Rob yeah I just thought it was
[00:25:11] you know framed as gem is like hey you
[00:25:14] gotta have fun when you're out here on
[00:25:15] survivor but I thought that she kind of
[00:25:17] got lucky where Mariah was the person
[00:25:19] who said like hey what like I bet it's
[00:25:21] Tim who has the idol and it's like oh
[00:25:25] that would be so classic Tim uh and
[00:25:27] then they framed it to Maria that way
[00:25:30] also and it seemed like it ends up
[00:25:32] being a way that were you know burying
[00:25:34] Tim among the other people in the tribe
[00:25:37] I just feel like that you're leaving a
[00:25:39] lot to chance here and you're creating
[00:25:42] like confusion later where like oh we
[00:25:44] want to vote at Tim but we think he has
[00:25:46] the idol um you know why Tim like did
[00:25:49] she actually want the target to be on
[00:25:51] Tim or did she just want like there to
[00:25:52] be a floating target because that's
[00:25:54] fun I mean to me I think the optimal move
[00:25:56] here is to not say anything but I also
[00:25:58] could be convinced otherwise yeah I think
[00:26:00] it's a better situation where it's just
[00:26:02] like oh we we can't find the idol in our
[00:26:06] tribe as opposed to creating some
[00:26:08] animosity because you know we don't know
[00:26:10] what Tim and looks like next week that
[00:26:12] maybe Tim is going to start making some
[00:26:13] accusations about who has the idol
[00:26:16] and so I think that I just don't like a
[00:26:19] scenario that I can't control what the
[00:26:21] outcome is gonna be yeah and especially
[00:26:24] where like if nobody suspects you why
[00:26:27] like let's get people to start
[00:26:28] wondering who has the idol you know why
[00:26:30] would you why even raise that question yeah
[00:26:33] so we don't know that much about what's
[00:26:35] actually happening in seagull right like
[00:26:36] obviously they have you know there was
[00:26:38] a secret scene I think where you
[00:26:39] everyone was trying to get Ben to commit
[00:26:41] to a name and like Ben refused to like
[00:26:43] commit to any names because like he didn't
[00:26:45] want to you know go against the
[00:26:47] devise guy the vibes guy right but
[00:26:49] there must be and we we have a little bit
[00:26:51] of sort of the rough contours of what
[00:26:53] the the tribal dynamics are and see but
[00:26:56] really and you know maybe there's a
[00:26:58] reason that we didn't that we don't
[00:27:00] know that they're like oh what if we
[00:27:01] what if we framed him for this wouldn't
[00:27:02] that you know totally help our position
[00:27:04] in the tribe but yeah we didn't see
[00:27:06] that from gem we just saw you know kind
[00:27:08] of a fun desire to create some chaos
[00:27:11] but I don't think there's a lot
[00:27:13] of side Seiga could potentially
[00:27:15] throw a challenge here it doesn't seem
[00:27:17] like they have that desire though
[00:27:19] there doesn't seem to be any real
[00:27:20] um need right like there's no
[00:27:23] there's no one person who seems to be
[00:27:25] like there's we've seen that more
[00:27:27] tensions on nami right then then you
[00:27:29] can more imagine them kind of throwing
[00:27:31] a challenge um then yeah I there is
[00:27:35] a secret scene this week also that
[00:27:37] Tim is very homesick uh Tim is very
[00:27:39] much missing his family um you know
[00:27:42] I try not to like uh break my brain
[00:27:44] and think too much about like with
[00:27:45] if he does go out next would they be
[00:27:47] more likely to show that or less likely
[00:27:49] to show that in this episode but he
[00:27:52] is uh feeling like it's feeling like
[00:27:54] there's a momentum building against
[00:27:56] him also Tim maybe his heart
[00:27:58] isn't 100% in the game right now
[00:28:00] right that's interesting that's
[00:28:01] interesting okay let's talk um
[00:28:04] oh let's see if anything else on
[00:28:05] Seiga no no go ahead I was going to segue
[00:28:07] to nami and uh what's going on
[00:28:11] there where tevin is starting to
[00:28:13] look towards soda as somebody who is
[00:28:16] a big threat is this too much what's
[00:28:19] your take is this this is this is
[00:28:21] winning tri-bitis right is this or is
[00:28:23] this winning tri-bitis yeah I think
[00:28:25] that's a winning tri-bitis I think that
[00:28:27] it's it's too much to start looking at
[00:28:30] allies that are in your own uh
[00:28:33] tribe but you you have numbers
[00:28:35] I think that the the mid merge is such a um
[00:28:40] minefield for these players especially
[00:28:43] if you're somebody who is a big threat
[00:28:44] themselves like tevin I just don't
[00:28:47] think that you should be going into
[00:28:50] that potential situation uh without
[00:28:53] one of your closest allies who may
[00:28:55] also be a threat but I think you're
[00:28:57] thinking about day 26 and not what's
[00:29:00] happening on day nine yeah and um
[00:29:03] I do want to say though I thought the way
[00:29:04] tevin approached it with hunter was very
[00:29:07] thoughtful and elegant you know he always
[00:29:11] phrased it in terms of like putting
[00:29:13] putting the words kind of almost in
[00:29:14] hunter's mouth you know be like as you
[00:29:16] already know soda is super social so are
[00:29:19] you saying we should maybe target soda you
[00:29:21] know he never like proposed it is his
[00:29:23] idea he always kind of phrased it as a
[00:29:24] question and like to me as you know Rob
[00:29:27] which is from from talking to me for I don't
[00:29:29] know 600 years um that like that's the
[00:29:32] stuff that I think really is the heart
[00:29:33] of survivor strategy are little ways
[00:29:36] you kind of phrase a conversation and you
[00:29:38] sort of you know frame something within
[00:29:41] a strategic chat to get your allies on
[00:29:43] board like to me that's a hard-of-good
[00:29:45] play and I thought I think tevin is very
[00:29:47] natural and good at that yes it'll be
[00:29:50] very fun to see what he's going to do
[00:29:53] next and I feel like that that's where
[00:29:54] you know look I try to find the silver
[00:29:58] lining and that's where my optimism
[00:30:00] comes from today in that peridium had a
[00:30:04] tweet about this uh that uh the great
[00:30:06] peridium that uh he described uh season
[00:30:10] 46 as being constipated by the
[00:30:14] Bony storyline now they've with all due
[00:30:17] respect to bony yeah it was it was blocking
[00:30:20] a lot of the action uh yeah the merge is
[00:30:25] but three days away the players I feel like
[00:30:29] have uh probably as we saw with this
[00:30:32] storyline at nami where that they are
[00:30:35] starting to get antsy they're thinking
[00:30:36] about the merge they're thinking they're
[00:30:38] looking at who are the threats within
[00:30:40] their tribes I feel like that we could
[00:30:43] set up here for a very exciting second two
[00:30:48] thirds of the season yeah I think so I
[00:30:52] mean I think it's it's you've got a lot of
[00:30:55] you know really interesting players who
[00:30:57] just haven't had a chance to play yet I
[00:30:59] mean as we've seen hunter is amazing at
[00:31:01] everything yeah and so I'm so curious to see
[00:31:04] him actually play the game um tevin is
[00:31:07] is one of my favorites uh this season I
[00:31:10] know he's he seems controversial though I
[00:31:12] think a lot of people I've heard like some
[00:31:13] people don't really why who's not a
[00:31:15] people online I think there's like team
[00:31:17] Venus people who don't like tevin uh yeah well
[00:31:20] I think that where Venus is going to go
[00:31:22] is a very interesting storyline to watch
[00:31:24] here as we head towards the merge because
[00:31:27] now you know these merge votes start
[00:31:29] coming like pretty fast and furious
[00:31:31] where we're going to have like one more
[00:31:33] normal vote coming up next week but then
[00:31:35] we get to mergeatory and then we split
[00:31:37] things up and then that's basically two
[00:31:39] tribes of six and then we get down to
[00:31:41] the final 10.
[00:31:42] Sometimes that happens in like the course of
[00:31:44] like two or three days like very quickly
[00:31:47] we're going to be going from like zero to
[00:31:49] 60 in this season yeah yeah well that's
[00:31:52] exciting um but if either nominee or
[00:31:54] Yan who lose one more person uh sick is
[00:31:56] got you know basically got the numbers
[00:31:57] they've got a tie yeah can they stay
[00:31:59] together can they stay together I mean I
[00:32:01] feel it feels like though this tension
[00:32:03] with Tim seems to be the one thing maybe
[00:32:07] that I would say maybe they're not going
[00:32:09] to be able to do it because they might
[00:32:10] be like situated best out of any tribe that
[00:32:13] we've seen in the new era to be able to
[00:32:15] potentially run the table you have
[00:32:18] Kevin who's looking at trying to get rid
[00:32:19] of soda you only have three people left
[00:32:22] in yanu and so like I feel like that
[00:32:25] unless the other two tribes come together
[00:32:27] to go up against sega like and sega doesn't
[00:32:30] even seem to have the one person who's
[00:32:33] like dying to flip and get away from
[00:32:35] them like they've been like the
[00:32:37] epitome of like what you look for
[00:32:39] for like a tribe loyalty perspective so
[00:32:42] sega could be like set up really well especially
[00:32:45] if there's fractures that are going on
[00:32:47] like if Venus is like looking to flip
[00:32:51] like maybe like going with some of the young
[00:32:53] women that are on uh sega is a potential
[00:32:57] way that she might want to go is that
[00:32:59] like it's just is sega like why is it
[00:33:02] like is it because Ben has got such great
[00:33:05] vibes I actually think it could be part
[00:33:06] of it I think like having someone who's
[00:33:08] just like preaching he's no drama of
[00:33:12] there are no drama though it's kind of a
[00:33:14] no drama tribe is it like what if
[00:33:16] if one of them was on yanu would they be
[00:33:18] high drama or did they just like put all
[00:33:19] the high drama people in one spot
[00:33:21] I mean like person and then I'll tell you
[00:33:23] how they get sucked into the drama at yanu
[00:33:26] Mariah all right Mariah is there
[00:33:29] and now okay she can't jump so q's got to
[00:33:31] give her coaching on like how to jump
[00:33:35] and maybe she's not jumping right and q is
[00:33:37] getting frustrated yeah what about charlie
[00:33:40] charlie he comes in and then maybe nobody
[00:33:44] there likes Taylor Swift and now he's like
[00:33:47] what what none of you have ever heard about
[00:33:49] Taylor Swift huh I do think like a tribe
[00:33:54] cheerleader like someone like Ben
[00:33:56] is actually like I don't know it actually
[00:33:59] and this is going to seem a weird comparison
[00:34:00] but I think fill up on the favorites
[00:34:05] in survival caramel and it served a similar
[00:34:08] purpose yeah where he was so into this idea
[00:34:11] this is our group like like we're you know
[00:34:13] this is the team like we're strong like
[00:34:15] the glue person yeah like he like beating
[00:34:18] that drama like this is the group you
[00:34:20] know like you having someone like that to
[00:34:24] so kind of like create this like energy
[00:34:27] around your your team I think actually
[00:34:30] does have an effect yeah I think that's a
[00:34:32] pretty good point I'm trying to think
[00:34:35] okay so who was that person at
[00:34:41] Timbera and Jala Powell I mean we were actually
[00:34:46] we're sort of a love tribe at Jala
[00:34:47] Powell once what's Carolina was gone like
[00:34:49] you know we there was there was one
[00:34:51] then we had to get ready Carolina to
[00:34:52] to have that kind of that kind of vibe
[00:34:54] Joe down it was all sort of like you know
[00:34:58] was it was a love tribe but it was it was not
[00:35:00] there was not that one person
[00:35:03] um yeah I mean on on on by on I mean I
[00:35:06] think we had Sierra uh more um Sierra
[00:35:09] Eastern who was very much like you know
[00:35:12] the games person the vibes person you
[00:35:16] know she she really kept I had been like
[00:35:18] we weren't even a love tribe to the
[00:35:19] extent that that that see is at least
[00:35:21] from what we've seen yeah I feel like
[00:35:22] that typically this person is like the
[00:35:25] mom I feel like that you have like sort
[00:35:28] of like that like cheerleader type
[00:35:31] where I feel like is like the person
[00:35:32] who's really like I feel like last
[00:35:34] season like the mama J type yeah right
[00:35:37] yeah exactly and I wonder you know I
[00:35:39] curious to think like who else like what
[00:35:41] you know this is hold one any water
[00:35:43] this theory that you know of like
[00:35:45] the cheerleader character or the I think
[00:35:46] it's pretty good
[00:35:47] I think it's pretty good
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[00:38:03] have a lot of questions from the listeners
[00:38:06] okay uh let's go ahead and uh start to
[00:38:11] answer some of them okay uh this is a great
[00:38:13] question from Ryan Patterson Steven who
[00:38:16] do you think the show is going to pivot
[00:38:19] as the new central character now that
[00:38:22] bono is gone if so who who's our new main
[00:38:25] character of survivor 46.
[00:38:28] gosh i hope there is no main character i mean
[00:38:30] that's what's those seasons of survivor
[00:38:32] that i think we all like the most are
[00:38:34] the ones where there's not a main character
[00:38:36] hmm that's it i love you to look could i
[00:38:38] can i just uh factored so i guess so what
[00:38:41] are the greatest seasons of survivor heroes
[00:38:44] versus villains is there no
[00:38:45] villains i mean you could say Russell is the main
[00:38:47] character but you also have a poverty on
[00:38:49] it's like the name antagonist yeah right
[00:38:52] yeah you have a lot of big characters on that
[00:38:54] season i mean that's you know same with
[00:38:55] fans favorites you know you couldn't say
[00:38:57] there's one main character on that season
[00:38:59] yeah um pearl islands is there a main
[00:39:01] character um kaga yan you have um tony
[00:39:05] obviously but even so like again it's
[00:39:07] like there's a lot of other things like
[00:39:08] yeah like rooper does the main
[00:39:09] character and then but then he's gone
[00:39:11] yeah like so maybe China yeah like a
[00:39:14] big characters maybe the key to a great
[00:39:17] survivor season is that there are end up
[00:39:19] being like shifting main characters yeah
[00:39:22] yeah that's right okay all right
[00:39:25] but if anybody ends up emerging i wonder
[00:39:28] it may be this might be a big tell in
[00:39:30] terms of our winner next week if we come
[00:39:33] into next week's episode and we look at
[00:39:36] okay this person then really in the post
[00:39:39] banu world really dominated the
[00:39:41] screen time could that person be our
[00:39:44] winner i feel like it could be tevin i
[00:39:47] feel like in the action on nami we get a
[00:39:50] lot from tevin's perspective right maybe
[00:39:52] i'm wrong about that um but or maybe
[00:39:54] it's just my bias because i really like
[00:39:56] him um but i um i see a lot from tevin
[00:40:01] what do you think i mean i don't know
[00:40:02] that that that makes him the winner but
[00:40:03] just that that makes him i think that
[00:40:06] tevin has a big role to play in this
[00:40:08] season like i'd be very surprised if
[00:40:09] tevin goes out soon i feel like that he's
[00:40:12] really been like from giving him like the
[00:40:14] opening confessional the season i don't
[00:40:16] know if he's the winner but i do feel
[00:40:17] like that he has a major role still to
[00:40:20] play in the season yeah can hunter i mean
[00:40:22] like hunter is amazing i mean he's about
[00:40:23] using it everything that jump was insane
[00:40:27] yeah okay well could we talk a little bit
[00:40:29] about that in terms of like some of the
[00:40:31] things that he has done in these
[00:40:33] challenges and how big of a target does
[00:40:35] that put on his back he's also been in
[00:40:38] the spot where he's the closer where he's
[00:40:40] the person who's like hitting the final
[00:40:43] shot of like tevin uh is that hunter's
[00:40:46] win hunter wins immunity so how big of a
[00:40:49] deal is that i mean he doesn't go
[00:40:52] on this challenges yeah that can have
[00:40:55] like i mean you know he could win out i
[00:40:56] mean i don't know like who's his
[00:40:58] competition i mean really like obviously
[00:41:00] there's a lot of different challenges
[00:41:01] that that bring in a lot of different
[00:41:03] skill sets but he's practicing really good
[00:41:06] right he's practicing like who's really good
[00:41:08] at the challenges other than him i mean
[00:41:10] he was good right um
[00:41:13] who's fine what he's fine he's not he's not
[00:41:17] hunter he's not hunter he's over four in
[00:41:19] the communities yeah um who's bringing it
[00:41:22] home for sega well sega just seems to be
[00:41:26] like a well-oiled machine yeah they do
[00:41:29] work to go charlie does really well
[00:41:31] mm-hmm so i mean there's a lot of different
[00:41:33] challenges to come though so it's hard to
[00:41:35] really really say you know the skill sets
[00:41:37] start to vary more okay um but but also he made
[00:41:41] apparently he tweeted this to Carson that he
[00:41:43] made the broom that Venus was easy to make
[00:41:45] in broom i thought so i thought that that
[00:41:47] might have been i because like um
[00:41:49] that i didn't think that was in the toolkit
[00:41:51] uh that made sense that uh you made the
[00:41:53] broom okay all right how about um from
[00:41:57] Sarah cupcakes she wants to know do you
[00:42:00] think that there would be so much negative
[00:42:01] feedback about this season if we had just
[00:42:03] not seen a season of Lulu losers
[00:42:07] that's interesting like this sense of uh
[00:42:09] another losing tribe like so terrible that's
[00:42:13] been sort of the subtext of like oh this is
[00:42:15] how the three tribe format is there's always
[00:42:17] one tribe that's a disaster yeah we used to
[00:42:20] love the three tribe format you know when
[00:42:22] the three when they brought out i mean not
[00:42:24] obviously the early day like when they
[00:42:25] brought out again the three tribe format
[00:42:27] season 25 were like oh my gosh this is
[00:42:29] changing everything you know because we had
[00:42:31] a lot of seasons where there was just this
[00:42:34] group of five people stuck together they
[00:42:37] voted everybody off it was very boring
[00:42:39] suddenly three tribes were like mixing up the
[00:42:41] dynamics but it does seem like it's kind of
[00:42:42] unnecessary because the groups are mixing
[00:42:45] the dynamics up by themselves a little bit
[00:42:46] more yeah i do think that the right
[00:42:49] balance is sometimes it's three sometimes
[00:42:52] it's two keep people on their toes i
[00:42:54] started a twitter conversation this week about
[00:42:57] uh is that i you know everybody is always
[00:43:00] talking about the final two is definitely
[00:43:02] superior to a final three and i just wanted
[00:43:06] to like are we sure we sure that final two
[00:43:09] is better than a then a final three
[00:43:11] well you're biased no it has nothing to do
[00:43:14] with me has nothing to do with me you're
[00:43:16] like what if they had a final three but i
[00:43:18] just think that and a lot of people what
[00:43:21] they responded is like i think the best
[00:43:23] answer is they should mix it up sometimes
[00:43:25] it should be a final two and sometimes
[00:43:27] it should be a final three i i i i mean
[00:43:30] listen all i wanted out of my life was a
[00:43:32] final three i so you're arguing in favor
[00:43:35] of a final three is that um it gives
[00:43:38] there just one more one more of a
[00:43:40] competition right between in a perfect
[00:43:42] world i would love to see there be
[00:43:45] some way to like pre-aluminate the zero
[00:43:49] vote finalist like and i don't know the
[00:43:51] the like uh the best way to do it
[00:43:54] david heli on twitter had said like the jury
[00:43:57] votes like you now if they vote unanimously
[00:43:59] that zero vote finalist ends up being like if
[00:44:02] there was some way to sort of suss out okay
[00:44:04] who is the person who will not get
[00:44:08] will not get a vote and if you could send
[00:44:10] that person to the jury and end up be
[00:44:12] having to be a competitive battle between
[00:44:14] people pre-vote from the jury of like
[00:44:16] who's the person nobody's voting for i don't
[00:44:18] know how to execute it that is not clunky
[00:44:20] but that would be my favorite way to do that
[00:44:22] where then you could really have okay
[00:44:24] this or that yeah because all the jury if
[00:44:27] they if the jury had that power they would
[00:44:29] vote for the like the villain you know they
[00:44:31] would be like the person who they don't
[00:44:32] want to win who probably should just right
[00:44:34] you know like this like the anti whatever
[00:44:36] person um yeah um but i do think that
[00:44:40] going back to two tribes versus three
[00:44:41] tribes like it would be great if we could
[00:44:43] sort of like mix it up where okay in a
[00:44:46] season like if survivor 45 was three
[00:44:48] tribes okay we're gaining a survivor 46
[00:44:50] that's two tribes keep us and the viewers uh
[00:44:53] and the contestants on their toes yeah i
[00:44:56] I would say i think most of the time like
[00:44:58] the person for getting voted out in that third
[00:45:01] like why do people i mean is in that third
[00:45:03] place spot is one of the bigger threats
[00:45:05] obviously not in my season um but in most other
[00:45:08] seasons the person who's getting voted out
[00:45:10] and and not i mean i think probably non-cognitive
[00:45:12] right which are those the last two final
[00:45:15] yes um i mean we've got a vote uh but like cast was
[00:45:22] third right yes and it was like yeah so i mean
[00:45:25] that what i totally knew he was gonna
[00:45:26] you know what
[00:45:28] and when everybody agreed on was
[00:45:30] I would everybody agreed on was that the
[00:45:32] the fire making is bad yeah the final three
[00:45:35] alone would be fine but your profile
[00:45:38] making right just for tv drama no i'm not
[00:45:40] you made the point though no one's i thought
[00:45:42] was a good point it's like we don't like
[00:45:43] fire making from like a structural capacity but like it does create a lot of
[00:45:47] you know when it's happening it's always interesting
[00:45:50] but i would rather get rid of them because i feel like that if you had a
[00:45:52] final three half the time you get it anyway
[00:45:56] and again i think that the the thing that would make it good
[00:45:59] is like oh whoa okay it's too too
[00:46:02] time we're getting fire making it's when you have to have it every single season
[00:46:07] that's when it's bad i think that the variety it's the
[00:46:10] spice of life
[00:46:13] and survivor i love cinnamon yes i didn't know this about you
[00:46:19] yeah i love cinnamon yeah you really screwed me up Rob
[00:46:23] but couple months ago this children's
[00:46:26] apple sauce company they found a lead in their cinnamon
[00:46:31] and um it turned out that one of the suppliers
[00:46:34] was deliberately adding lead to not fortunately thank god this was not something
[00:46:39] that i can't i can't but like they were deliberately adding lead to the cinnamon
[00:46:43] because it increased the weight so therefore increased the price and
[00:46:47] like it had like a nice cinnamon color to it who knew that about that
[00:46:50] but it's crazy i'm still like reeling from this idea that people are out
[00:46:54] they're adding lead to cinnamon i'm still eating cinnamon you know
[00:46:58] lead poisoning yeah i should joke about that because that's like seriously after um
[00:47:03] anyway that really like rock my world very upset about wow yeah okay uh boy anyway
[00:47:08] was not prepared for that why making what was not prepared for that yeah i really like
[00:47:14] i want more people to know about this because it was so screwed up yeah okay was it
[00:47:18] is it a company that we've heard of i don't remember but it was like it was you know some
[00:47:22] children's like food company you know obviously they've recalled the you know stop the you know
[00:47:28] issue i'm but like terrible so scary yeah people are adding lead to children's food
[00:47:34] terrible yeah i have i have no follow up yeah horrible but anyway let's go back to the fire
[00:47:43] okay yes final three and people's argument in final two just feels like more of like a battle
[00:47:48] it's classic it's like uh you know a mono-e-mano um umano-e-mano but what's the best final two in recent
[00:47:56] memory oh well okay sticking to uh the us seasons i mean i feel like you know um
[00:48:05] if like Dominic and Wendell was pretty much a final two yeah yeah yeah but that wasn't
[00:48:09] but that literally wasn't i mean like to you know to the point of like the structure of the game
[00:48:13] like had that it would not have been a final two right like add that bin i mean that's exactly the
[00:48:19] argument for a final three was that probably one of them would have voted out the other one
[00:48:23] um yeah i'm not sure you don't think you don't have to be in them it had it been a final two
[00:48:31] like i think they made it more a final two and there was a final three immunity challenge yeah
[00:48:35] and there was an opportunity like who either presumably either dom or when to wins they're voting
[00:48:39] out the other one of themselves right yeah i guess there was a final if if like a Dominic or
[00:48:43] Wendell won that final immunity challenge yeah i mean i feel like that is the argument for the final
[00:48:50] three yeah okay all right let's go back to survivor 46 if we have to know just kidding okay
[00:48:59] um let's see what happened we talked about um okay let's talk about the flint
[00:49:07] hmm a lot of people are talking about the flint yeah kelly wants to know could yanu have taken
[00:49:12] another tribe's flint i never knew you could trade rewards since when no i do think it's a
[00:49:17] established it is a previous reward you can get a previous reward you can have a previous reward
[00:49:22] uh that it came up i'm sure if it was in i'm not sure if it was season 43 or 44 and Jeff was like
[00:49:28] as we all know exactly that was the sense when moment but now that was when now i guess it
[00:49:33] but Jeff did say like yes of course obviously you can trade a reward for a previous reward
[00:49:39] but Stephen shouldn't there be a flint that comes with the fish like aren't we getting
[00:49:47] like if it was that you have to win a challenge not reward challenge you only get a flint
[00:49:55] if you win an immunity challenge yeah i um i'm not a fan of them not getting a flint it just seems
[00:50:03] purposeless i mean it probably creates this you know it probably at least contributes to this
[00:50:09] you know losing tribe dynamic where you know if you can't have a fire you're sleeping worse
[00:50:14] you're having the worst time it camp you can't cook you know the seafood that you can get right
[00:50:18] you can't really you can't cook the mollusks so there's you know you're at a food disadvantage
[00:50:24] who's this for why are we doing this it's not it's not better tv it's worse tv so
[00:50:29] this idea that it's like a more brutal game it's so that doesn't affect me at all like i would
[00:50:34] rather it would be a better game yeah even in the fiction of the show come to tribal council fire
[00:50:39] represents your life we see the end of the episode right they walk out with lit torches yeah
[00:50:44] yeah they've got fire explain that it doesn't make sense yeah yeah just let them let them have a flint
[00:50:55] yeah i think we're all i mean and it's better you know when the contestants have obviously part of
[00:51:00] the survivor experience is having an intense survival experience yeah if that were they have a
[00:51:05] little bit of food you know a little bit of calories a little bit of sustenance otherwise you're
[00:51:08] just like lying listlessly there it's not good TV here's another one for you Stephen okay yeah so
[00:51:13] we see then nami wins immunity after it's over Jeff says all right nami tribe you want immunity go
[00:51:21] ahead let's see that celebratory leap into the water off of the dock i'm like boo and then
[00:51:31] for this a yana tribe he says and sorry for you you're the losers you're gonna have to swim out
[00:51:40] what was the difference yeah maybe they weren't allowed to leap it's like i better walk the plank
[00:51:47] don't leap this has to be a moriah skip yeah is it just because that sorry for you normally
[00:51:53] would say sorry for you i'll take your flint but they had no flint so he just had to say sorry
[00:51:57] for you the same exact thing that i told the team that won but in a bad version
[00:52:07] it's like uh yeah yeah that simpson's episode the the stone cutters one where Homer is like
[00:52:13] unyanked from the rock of like heroism and yank to be rock of shame or with the opposite actually
[00:52:18] whatever yeah just you'll have to have the long swim out no leaping okay all right um Danny
[00:52:27] wants to know does bonus word vomit on the journey ensure that tiff q and kenzie will be
[00:52:31] immediately targeted by the other tribes at the merge which of the three remaining yanu members
[00:52:35] is best suited to take the target off their back i do think it's going to be i mean it certainly
[00:52:40] doesn't help them right um i don't know this is a good question which member is got is in the
[00:52:47] better position of yana what do you think you're right i think it's kenzie i know that it was um
[00:52:52] that bonuf said she's the mastermind but i think that the pair is scarier than the uh one mastermind
[00:53:01] yeah i agree and also um yeah i think and kenzie's got such like good like fun energy right you're
[00:53:07] like a meter you're gonna be like oh you're gonna be charmed by her you're not gonna be like oh no
[00:53:10] she's manipulating me um you're gonna think you're gonna you're just gonna be charmed
[00:53:14] and kenzie does not seem for what it's worth you know she seems someone who's like willing to talk
[00:53:18] through ideas which on on the yanu tribe was often taking for you know the absolute
[00:53:24] scene of survivor but um she doesn't seem like you know someone who's like aggressively you know
[00:53:29] plotting and pulling threads so i agree with you that the like the danger of the pair which is
[00:53:35] something you can't really argue against yeah um versus like i don't see kenzie manipulating me
[00:53:41] you know i see her like popping around the beach but i don't see her necessarily although
[00:53:44] you know i will say as a counterpoint i mean Caleb was the kenzie of season 45 and at once he got to
[00:53:52] the mercenary once he was vulnerable everybody's all right it's gotta be Caleb so
[00:53:57] but he was also you know he was like a six foot six you know extremely athletic like
[00:54:02] you know there was a lot more and i do think like six six well i was exaggerating to
[00:54:08] you for effect mm-hmm sorry i should go and i should go to bigger at a 12 foot tall uh you know
[00:54:17] yeah yeah okay um maybe when his hair is at like maximum height
[00:54:22] yeah yeah yeah um but yeah so i mean like he was and he it seemed like he was like so excessively
[00:54:30] charming that people were um you know intimidated by that yeah so we'll see i think it might be
[00:54:37] paramount for kenzie to get into the successful mergatory group yeah yeah like when it's like all right
[00:54:45] we just need a name today then okay that's an easy one to throw out there yes um i agree i think
[00:54:51] like yeah that's uh yeah i mean she could be an early target it's hard to say but i think they're
[00:54:58] they're all kind of in a bad spot here okay bad wants to know did q tiffney kenzie play the first
[00:55:03] stage of the game wrong at the end of the day the decisions they made led to them losing every
[00:55:07] immunity challenge being outed as huge threats by a tribe member and putting themselves into a
[00:55:11] really bad spot going forward were these the cards that they got dealt or was this bad gameplay
[00:55:17] i think we agreed that it was a mistake to vote off um jolensky first yes i think like and i do
[00:55:24] think there was sort of a spiraling you know issue there yeah where as soon as they lost uh
[00:55:29] you know jolensky you know a lot of people were like oh but he would have quit the second challenge
[00:55:33] anyway but like no he wouldn't right like yeah that's not true yeah it's a funny thing to say
[00:55:38] it's a great beat yeah but i don't think it's really true um so my question is looking back at this
[00:55:44] with like uh 2020 hindsight should they have voted out bono first yeah i still think that like
[00:55:51] you know i don't know i mean maybe maybe where what was happening with bono in that first episode
[00:55:56] so i mean ultimately he did not have a particularly wild first episode up until
[00:56:03] that he could not hide from jolensky at the first tribal council that jolensky was going home and
[00:56:08] he uh that like he got asked a pointed question at tribal counts by japh and said
[00:56:14] it is time to vote yeah i felt like at the time you know our read on bono was like hey this is like a
[00:56:20] really you know a really lovely well-meaning guy just like there's a little bit of you know
[00:56:24] he's got you know doesn't have a great poker face you know his his true his true sort of strategic
[00:56:29] struggles really emerged uh following up with with um with Jess and honestly like there's a chance
[00:56:36] that for someone like bono a lot of the problems that we saw him confront were you know certainly
[00:56:42] exacerbated by a lack of food and a lack of sleeplessness you know it's for anybody to be their best
[00:56:47] self when they're not eating and they're not sleeping and um i said a lack of sleeplessness i want
[00:56:52] to lack of sleep uh it's hard to find anybody to be their best self when they're not eating or
[00:56:55] sleeping and you know he did seem to be decently together in those early days.
[00:57:01] So i mean yeah i think that i'm gonna stand by i think you gotta keep jolensky at that first
[00:57:07] tribal council was i think that that just set this tribe on such a negative trajectory to then
[00:57:13] have lost that second challenge yeah and if it was between jolensky and Jess i think that was
[00:57:19] the right call to get rid of Jess there um and that then you maybe don't lose the second challenge
[00:57:26] and you're like have a little bit more of a sense of tribe cohesion a sense of tribe momentum
[00:57:31] and i do think that you know some of the real negative spiraling effects of just consistently losing
[00:57:38] i mean even the third challenge they lost it by like a sandbag you have to think you know you had
[00:57:44] jolensky in that challenge um instead of either you know uh well i guess uh we're i guess
[00:57:51] and maybe instead of who's it i guess another there i guess there have five people there
[00:57:55] yeah yeah like i feel like that they're probably uh gonna get that one done yeah um
[00:58:02] yeah so there you go they screwed it up okay all right
[00:58:07] okay anything else Steven from week four of survivor 46 um no i mean there wasn't that much to talk
[00:58:17] about really you know and we still managed to talk about it for us you know almost as long as the
[00:58:20] episode in terms of pure runtime so well good for us yeah we did a pretty good job i think overall
[00:58:26] but i just think that uh overall what do we miss what do we miss i don't know if we missed anything
[00:58:30] i think the best is yet to come so look the bot like the bono stuff seems like a great guy nice story
[00:58:39] went on too long wasn't his fault he doesn't edit the episodes but i think we're already to turn
[00:58:45] the collective page and i do think that there is like uh season 44 i feel like had like a tough start
[00:58:52] to the beginning of the season and then had a pretty exciting post merge and i think this just might
[00:58:57] be a season where a little bit of like a subpar pre-merge and then i think that things could be very
[00:59:04] exciting in the post merge yeah yeah all right that's my thought going into next week very excited to
[00:59:11] see where we go from here Steven what's coming up for you nothing really oh my gosh yeah spring break
[00:59:20] next weekend next week you know yeah i'm doing everything i'm just having some you know family time
[00:59:25] nice okay all right well what we have coming up next is my interview with bono we're going to
[00:59:31] premiere that here live on the channel if you are watching us uh right after this we'll have uh
[00:59:37] the exit interview with bono uh plus the podcast is gonna drop i also took on Jake okay in this week
[00:59:44] in survivor history trivia huh i didn't know that he was such a survivor trivia remember he was like
[00:59:50] crabs 18 is jt that remember oh i do remember that but that's you know that's not why i wouldn't say
[00:59:56] that that makes you a trivia map well we'll see how good he is when he takes me on in this week in
[01:00:01] survivor history trivia not to mention also uh we will have our amazing race recap coming up later on
[01:00:07] today uh mike ingest are going to have the episode two amazing race recap and everything else we're
[01:00:13] doing here on rob has a website dot com check out my interview with mariana after the episode if
[01:00:18] you miss that and then make sure to leave us your comments i love reading what you all have to say
[01:00:23] on youtube in the comments always read the comments on youtube and even if you disagree as long
[01:00:28] as you're not a total a hole i like to hear uh all your feedback so please yeah i did
[01:00:37] sure praise um but like if you if you have to leave some negative feedback that's fine just leave
[01:00:42] it down yeah that's fine i just don't be horrible all right yeah thank you so much for joining us
[01:00:47] take care everybody have a good one oh oh oh oh fishy fishy whoa
[01:00:50] who do we have to get it fishy did somebody get a fishy this week i mean i guess i mean who
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