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[00:01:39] Chicago. That's going to be up on Thursday, Wednesday night. Shannon Guss is going to be
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[00:02:00] The smartest guys around are about to break it down like it won the game a million times.
[00:02:13] Well, actually at all.
[00:02:26] Whoa. Hollywood. Sestanino back to earth after, you know, gallivanting in the clouds.
[00:02:54] No. Well, it's so nice to be back here with you on a Friday. I've never seen you dance
[00:02:58] before to the know it all song. Oh my God. Well, listen, I got to dance here in my home.
[00:03:03] Cause I'm not out, you know, at the club with the, you know, Dwight and Kelly and Emily.
[00:03:16] I'm not doing that. That world. I'm just here in my home. Rob, here's what people want to know.
[00:03:22] Who was hooking up with who? Oh, okay. Well, that's a sexual way. We'll talk about alliances
[00:03:31] later. Oh, oh yes. Yeah. And then, oh, I'm sorry. I don't want to speak out of school. All right. So
[00:03:38] Steven. Okay. I got a lot. Here's a real question for you though. Who did you like the most and the
[00:03:43] least of the people you met of the fans or the players? Players, players, you know, Steven,
[00:03:53] you know, rankings are reductive and arbitrary. So I don't know if I can get into that here with
[00:03:59] you. That's fair. Well, okay. Okay. TBD. Yeah. Okay. How are you doing? I'm good, Rob. It's a
[00:04:08] pleasure. You know, I got like yesterday I felt like I was so aimless. I mean, I structure my
[00:04:13] Thursdays around our chats and I just felt like, you know, it was like drifting from place to
[00:04:18] place, sad and alone. Okay. Well, you're probably like coming down off the ecstasy or something.
[00:04:23] Yeah. You're like a major asset. The hardest part of the comedown. But yeah, we were at actually
[00:04:30] Jackbox games that headquarters. Yeah. That was very fun. Had a big, fun afternoon there and then
[00:04:36] flew back from Chicago last night, but ready to get into it here with you. Also, I want to shout
[00:04:43] out thanks to not only everybody that came out to see us in Chicago. It really was a, as Steven
[00:04:49] can attest, that a incredible couple of days. Everybody was super nice. Appreciate all the
[00:04:55] survivors who came out. That podcast is up. Also hang in there. Audio is rough for about the first
[00:05:01] two or three minutes. It gets better in case you turned it off after two minutes and I'm not
[00:05:05] listening to this crap. It kills me when we have technical issues. Let me just say so thank you
[00:05:11] so much for your patience bearing with that. And then Steven on Wednesday night, Kelly Wentworth
[00:05:19] and Shannon Gus got into it. Oh, fun. Great podcast there. I was listening to that earlier
[00:05:24] before we came on. So check that out. And then on Monday, Chappelle and I will be doing Club Condo
[00:05:30] and I'll have the patron call in show, a patron feedback show 11 a.m. Eastern on Saturday. All
[00:05:35] right. With I had FOMO. I don't get FOMO very much, but this one looked really fun. I mean,
[00:05:40] like they all look really fun and I regret missing all them. But for some reason, this one,
[00:05:44] I like I looked through all the pictures. Joshua Spalding, who always takes amazing pictures,
[00:05:47] like really like great pics of every single person, really seemed to capture the joy and
[00:05:52] the fun of it. I'm so annoyed that I wasn't there. Yeah. And I wish you would invite me again.
[00:05:59] That's what I didn't do this time. Forgot to invite you to the event anyway. So excited to
[00:06:07] talk about this. And so I saw you tweeting a lot about the episode. Well, it was I mean,
[00:06:12] you know, again, like I just missed miss talking about Survivor. I didn't get my spot to do it.
[00:06:17] But you happen to see that last week we were able to send out the fishy award to Maria. And so later
[00:06:28] on today, we will announce this week's winner for the fish. I'm sure there's a lot of drama
[00:06:35] around that. Yeah, we got to figure out figure it out. Now there's a lot of drama. It's a big
[00:06:39] it's a big honor. Maria retweeted it. She expressed how honored she was better than being
[00:06:43] player of the week. So I'm glad it's finally getting the recognition that it deserves.
[00:06:48] Finally. Yeah. Yeah. Better than being on Survivor. Better than the million dollars.
[00:06:51] She said what she didn't when she claimed. But we'll see. OK. All right. She didn't say
[00:06:55] that. She didn't say that. She didn't say that. She wouldn't violate her NDA like that. All right. So
[00:06:59] we will award that later on here in the show. And of course, she'll take your questions as well.
[00:07:04] So, Steven, you seem that you have been very taken with Charlie. I would love to start there
[00:07:11] with you and talk a little bit about what you're seeing from Charlie. I mean, who isn't seeing it
[00:07:17] from Charlie? I feel like Charlie is first of all, he's in this incredible spot. He seems to be like
[00:07:22] best friends with everyone. Everyone seems to like he's even ever since the merge. Really. He
[00:07:26] seemed to have been everyone's confidant. And I even remember, like, you know, when he and Maria
[00:07:31] were in sort of that middle spot and, you know, he was not a part of the six, although he did
[00:07:36] later get inducted into it. But he was always the one, you know, he would be the one like, oh, let
[00:07:41] me go talk to Kenzie. Let me go talk to Venus. Let me go talk to this person. Like, he was always
[00:07:44] the one kind of like going off and sort of like making those deals or kind of finalizing those
[00:07:51] deals and seeing where everybody was more than Maria was. And we talked consistently throughout
[00:07:54] the season about how we see their relationship much more from his perspective. So, again,
[00:08:00] she might have these relationships that we're not seeing. He's one to immunity challenges.
[00:08:04] He seems so strategic and thoughtful in everything he says. And that conversation that he had with
[00:08:11] Venus was so emblematic of that, where, you know, he picks up on her slip up about having some
[00:08:17] advantage and then pushes it almost too far, you know, where he was like, no, but really like what's
[00:08:22] in your pocket, you know, but pushes it to the point where he feels, you know, he basically gets
[00:08:28] her to tacitly admit that she has something, although she doesn't ever come out and say that
[00:08:32] and then can take that information back. You know, we'll discuss whether he made the right decision
[00:08:36] or not, but it really feels like he is able to thread that needle of being like companionate and
[00:08:43] friendly and best friends with everyone while also being really tactical in every one of those
[00:08:48] conversations, which just takes like a tremendous amount of self-control, especially when you're
[00:08:51] surrounded by such crazies. And the thing that is most surprising and interesting to me, Rob,
[00:08:56] I want your perspective on this. Why is Charlie not considered a threat? You know, we heard Kenzie
[00:09:01] say like he's the sidekick or whatever, right? He's Maria's sidekick. She said, yes, sir.
[00:09:06] Yeah. And like, you know, I've heard people compare Maria and Charlie to me and JT,
[00:09:12] you know, that she is the one getting the strategic credit while he's there in the
[00:09:15] background doing the work. But like Charlie is the one with all the relationships. Charlie is
[00:09:20] you know, who's winning the immunities like on all of the metrics that we're seeing.
[00:09:26] You know, Charlie is the guy. And it's true that like, you know, sometimes it just doesn't
[00:09:31] translate through the screen, like who the like, you know, the meta microcosm of the contestants,
[00:09:37] like who they think is the is the you know, the anointed winner. I remember like
[00:09:40] Clark saying, you know, if Brandon Hance got to the end of South Pacific, he would have won.
[00:09:45] And like, you know, we don't we didn't see that at all. But like why? Why, Rob? Why don't they
[00:09:50] respect Charlie more? OK, I think that this is a really great analysis. So top tier work here so
[00:09:57] far from out of the gate from Stephen Fishback. Yeah, I definitely I co-sign everything that
[00:10:03] you're saying that I do think that Maria is seen as the person who is out in front. I think that's
[00:10:09] very intentional from Charlie. And I think that he has done such a good job. I love hearing his
[00:10:16] insight on the game, I guess, to start. I'd love to talk a little bit about like why why is Maria
[00:10:24] getting the accolades from people as opposed to Charlie? Why is she seen as this? And I kind of
[00:10:30] feel like that she had sort of the the vibe of being that person. And then now she finally has
[00:10:39] this move under her belt of that. And I've been talking about this a little bit of like, OK, in
[00:10:44] the new era, you have to have done at least one thing to run TJ's final, like the jury. They kind
[00:10:51] of they want to look at you and say, OK, all right, that one thing. OK. And Maria, she got that
[00:10:56] last week. OK, so now she has sort of the vibe and then she made this move last week. And I think
[00:11:03] that's what's interesting to me about Maria is that her presence, I think, and especially like
[00:11:09] in comparison with Venus a little bit, we talked a little bit about how it was in the episode
[00:11:14] about how Venus is a little frenetic. She goes from person to person to person. And then Maria,
[00:11:21] I think when you watch her, Maria is very stoic. Maria is still Maria is just like you look at her
[00:11:30] and she's solid. And, you know, even in like the decision that she made, like she just like was
[00:11:37] just stood there and like was like processing. But she wasn't like all over the place in terms of it
[00:11:45] too much. And I don't know, I just think that that is sort of like really look upon fondly by the
[00:11:53] other survivor players. And then she stands with a confidence and Charlie is just like a little bit
[00:12:01] more in the shadows where that nobody looks at Charlie as being the leader. He wasn't considered
[00:12:07] to be a big part of, you know, the what was going on at Siga. He was brought in as sort of like the
[00:12:14] fourth. He was, you know, OK, the women are together. Let's let's bring in Charlie and then
[00:12:19] Charlie and Maria have this secret thing. But I'd like to everybody out front, you know, Tim told
[00:12:25] Maria they were number one. So I think that he's sort of just being looked at as sort of like
[00:12:29] an also ran kind of like a nothing. And even though he's won these challenges, he kind of won them
[00:12:36] as underdogs of sort of like, OK, that his he won challenges so that we could beat we could get out
[00:12:42] Hunter, we could get out Tiffany. But it was never like so much like that. He was the favorite going
[00:12:48] in to one of these challenges that he's won. And so I think that that's interesting. Maybe
[00:12:52] they never felt like the dominant challenge guy, like winning the challenge. Yeah. And, you know,
[00:12:59] of course, you know, perception is reality. We had Venus did well in the challenge. Oh,
[00:13:02] well, Venus is a big threat to win the challenge. So we have to go after her. But I think that
[00:13:06] Charlie has done such a really good job so far. And something else that's interesting, I thought
[00:13:13] was that Charlie is one of the few players that we've ever seen on Survivor giving credit for
[00:13:19] something that he did. And maybe it was because that he was a witness to what happened with
[00:13:25] Venus and Tevin about who got the credit for the soda blindside and then saw Liz was upset
[00:13:32] that she didn't get the credit when it came down to it. Charlie and Maria both were involved with
[00:13:38] the Tiffany blindside. And Charlie told multiple people, hey, I was not cruise director last night.
[00:13:45] Yeah, that was you know, that was I shouldn't be getting credit for that. And I thought that
[00:13:50] was so interesting where credit makes you a target. It's a double edged sword.
[00:13:56] Yes. I mean, and it was really interesting, too, to me how Charlie, you know, all episodes like,
[00:14:00] gosh, that Q and Maria are such a duo. Gosh, that's such a tight duo. It's so scary. That
[00:14:06] tight duo over there, you know, just that way of taking this thing that obviously could apply to
[00:14:11] him and like making like through force, like sheer force of will of the narrative, make it more about
[00:14:16] about Q and Maria. I wonder if, you know, Heather Cannon had suggested this like weeks and weeks
[00:14:21] ago that coming out of the gate and making his whole personality basically Taylor Swift, which,
[00:14:27] you know, many people derided at the time, not derided, but were like, OK, we get it.
[00:14:30] Like I wonder if that ended up potentially helping him slash hurting him in other people's perception
[00:14:37] of him, because he's not the like, you know, sharky Harvard educated lawyer. He's the like
[00:14:41] quirky Taylor Swift guy. And I mean, that was something I leaned into aggressively in token
[00:14:45] chains of like, oh, I'm the fish out of water. And I was you don't want to be the like,
[00:14:50] you know, I'm the strategist. You know, like people like are so quick, especially in those
[00:14:55] early days of like, which one are you? You know, who are you and like, how do I need to like think
[00:14:58] about you that for him to come out with that as like, oh, I'm the guy who's like, you know,
[00:15:02] knows every single Taylor Swift song, like suddenly like that's who he is, you know.
[00:15:06] And I think that might have helped him, you know, against, you know, Maria as this sort of like
[00:15:10] you're right, like her presence is so thoughtful and contemplative and like direct. You're like,
[00:15:16] you know, but could hurt him in the end. Right. Which is like which would be so crazy. I can't
[00:15:22] like wrap my head around the idea that Charlie will be a losing finalist because I think that it
[00:15:25] would be. I think like the viewers minds would be blown, like we've gotten so much of his perspective
[00:15:31] that I just I can see him winning or like not make or like not making finals, but like losing
[00:15:36] finalists. I just don't see. But like from what Kenzie's saying, like that's a that's a viable
[00:15:40] outcome. Yeah. OK, let's talk about that. I just do want to bring in one other thing that was
[00:15:45] a discussion that you were having on social media. Shannon Goss said, it's dawning on me
[00:15:51] how specifically well Charlie is set up. I feel like everyone else is a loud target, Maria Q or
[00:15:57] less in control and running out of runway like Ben or Kenzie, a testament to his social game
[00:16:02] threat management considered timing and stellar positioning. And you added on best game of the
[00:16:11] new era so far. And then I contextualize that, modify that by saying, you know, if he wins
[00:16:18] and I, of course, like, you know, in my head, I'm like, you know, D jam jam. Like,
[00:16:24] I don't know how I'm actually curious, like because it's fun to say the more inflammatory
[00:16:28] thing, like, you know, you say the superlative and then like the hero people, people respond
[00:16:32] to that, you know, the more the more moderate, you know, perspectives never get as much, you know.
[00:16:37] Not anymore. And you got to be exactly. But I mean, you know, Jam Jam played an amazing game.
[00:16:45] D obviously played a great game like where. Yeah, Marianne. I mean,
[00:16:49] Erica, very interesting game. And then and then Gabler, they both played great games.
[00:16:53] You know, all the great games. But who played the best game? Like I think like Jam Jam and D
[00:16:59] played, you know, D played a good dominant game. She was in the dominant alliance. She like one
[00:17:04] challenges. She like moved very well from a position of strength. Jam Jam kind of the opposite
[00:17:09] having to dodge and weave. He like brought his people together. Charlie, I don't know. Like who
[00:17:15] do you think played like that? I mean, it's such so hard. Like best, as you know. Yeah, I don't
[00:17:19] know. OK, but who do you think? Well, who I think has played the best? I mean, if Charlie wins,
[00:17:24] like with those three. I mean, again, like it's so much as how he plays. It's so hard to to say.
[00:17:30] And again, the rankings. So so arbitrary, so reductive. Let's let's table that conversation.
[00:17:35] Let's have it in two weeks if Charlie wins, because I really I feel like that Charlie and
[00:17:40] I've really loved the game that Charlie has put together so far as well. To me, it's sort of like
[00:17:49] in some ways like I find it very relatable in terms of the way that Charlie plays the game.
[00:17:55] I think that like he's almost like if Todd could win challenges that he's really been
[00:18:01] very, very strong so far. But I'm wondering, Stephen, is Charlie in between a rock and
[00:18:07] a hard place where I'm wondering and I want to go back to Jesse and what happened with Jesse
[00:18:14] and Cody? And I'm starting to wonder, was the Jesse and Cody, Jesse's blind side of Cody,
[00:18:20] was that the most important thing that's happened in the new era? Because I do feel like and we're
[00:18:25] heading into this situation here at the final six, and I certainly could see where Charlie does
[00:18:33] take the shot at Maria, the shot that's probably going to be necessary for him to win the game
[00:18:38] and then ultimately ends up everybody says, oh, wow. Now, Charlie, he's got got we got to take
[00:18:46] him out or maybe like Jesse gets through one more vote and then ends up losing in a firemaking
[00:18:52] situation. I almost feel like it's going to be very hard for Charlie to take the shot against
[00:18:58] Maria. And I also want to say, I don't think he made the wrong decision this week. I'm just
[00:19:02] saying that I think that he really needs to thread a very tiny needle here with a large piece of
[00:19:11] rope. How's that for a metaphor? Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, in terms of Jesse voting out
[00:19:17] Cody, I think that's like one one of the two most significant things that happened in the new era.
[00:19:22] And the other is sort of the counterpoint to that, which is Carolyn losing to Jam Jam. I think
[00:19:25] a lot of people point to that as being like a really significant thing for contestants playing
[00:19:30] today because they see what happens if you're Carolyn and you played a really great game, but
[00:19:34] you go to the finals with like your friend who played, you know, certainly was better liked,
[00:19:39] whether he played a better game. Like I thought so, but like some don't don't want to go into
[00:19:43] that. But like the point is like she didn't you know, Jam Jam was there next to her and she ends
[00:19:46] up losing in spite of the fact that maybe there's a world where she where she wins that final.
[00:19:50] So, you know, it's sort of a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. You know,
[00:19:54] if you take the shot and you vote out your ally, then you're extremely vulnerable. If you don't
[00:19:59] take the shot, then you could lose to that person. So the I mean, you know, a lot of people said
[00:20:04] Jesse should have waited and let Cody go into fire. Cody was such a dominant. Everyone assumes
[00:20:09] that Cody would have won that fire making. Of course, you know, we don't know with with with
[00:20:15] Gabler there. But we what what about Maria? Like, do we know anything about her fire making skills?
[00:20:21] Like maybe the move for Charlie is to just sort of like a Tony and Sarah. Yeah. You ride that
[00:20:26] to the end. You don't even know when you send someone against her for fire and like do it there.
[00:20:31] Yeah. So why I liked this decision for Charlie this week is that I feel it was not a clean move
[00:20:40] that he could have made against Maria. He could have like if Maria says, I want to keep Q and
[00:20:45] Charlie rounds up the votes to take out Q this week, then now, OK, his cover is blown. Maria
[00:20:53] could well turn everybody against Charlie this week. And now somebody's going after Charlie
[00:20:59] at this at this next vote. And now it's at the final six. It's not as ideal as being able to
[00:21:06] get the clean blindside on Maria. But Stephen, is the way to do it perhaps to be able to either
[00:21:17] get somebody else to do it or do it in a way that it does not look like that you were the person
[00:21:25] responsible for it and then take credit for it at final tribal council? I think that it's so tricky
[00:21:31] to take credit for things at final tribal that people don't think you deserve credit for. And I
[00:21:36] think Cassidy ran into that problem, right? Where like, even if you in your head were the mastermind
[00:21:42] for a thing, like if the narrative among the contestants is that you were the sidekick,
[00:21:46] you weren't driving that, there's you can't go in at the end and say that was really me unless
[00:21:51] you have the receipts in the way that kind of the deed did to a certain degree with Austin.
[00:21:55] But but yeah, it's it's it's interesting. Like, you know, the question I've gotten the most from
[00:22:02] people on the street in the last two days is why on earth would anybody vote out Venus? Because
[00:22:09] everyone I assumed like this was like the most shocking vote of the season for me because I
[00:22:13] assume she and we've talked about oh yeah, Venus final three, like whatever she's she's making it
[00:22:16] no one's voting up Venus. And so many people have been saying to me, you know, why on earth would
[00:22:21] you vote out Venus? She you know, why would you vote out someone who is not going to take votes
[00:22:26] away from you? The jury hates her. Tell me, Rob, why Venus? Why did they choose Venus instead of Q?
[00:22:33] Because I think that according to Venus, that one, Charlie went back and started to talk about
[00:22:39] her advantage. And I think it also tied back to Maria and Q, I think also had had it with Venus.
[00:22:47] And so this was their move. And so Charlie was able to have some deference and able to continue
[00:22:53] to give Maria and Charlie what they want to sort of like continue to lull them into a false
[00:22:59] sense of security. And then her just being the wild card in terms of having some kind of advantage
[00:23:07] that would have been used maybe in some way that maybe would not have been beneficial,
[00:23:12] I think was ultimately the nail in the coffin for Venus.
[00:23:16] So you're saying like the rationale from Maria and Q's perspective was just that,
[00:23:20] like if they had had it with her, you know, there's six days left in this game. Is that bad?
[00:23:24] How many goats does Maria need? She feels like, hey, I found a stable goat that for everybody
[00:23:30] else, Q, he's unpredictable. He's Maria has been the Q whisperer this whole season. And I think
[00:23:37] it speaks to that she is a straight shooter. I think that Q for the most part is a straight
[00:23:44] shooter. I think that really and maybe people other people would feel differently. But Maria
[00:23:50] and Q, that has been a good match all season long. They've been on the same page. And so I think
[00:23:55] Maria feels like, OK, I'll go to the end with Charlie. He's clearly my number two. And Q,
[00:24:01] who's a goat, that's a winning combination for Maria, even if that she brought Ben to the final
[00:24:07] three. So Maria is probably the person who can beat anybody, probably just wants to take wild
[00:24:13] cards, specifically wild cards with advantages out of the game if we can. Yeah, I agree with you.
[00:24:20] I don't think it was a bad move for Maria and for Q certainly like, you know, they've got there for
[00:24:24] and it's a good four. They're at the final seven. They've got their four. You know, they probably
[00:24:28] both see like a path to winning that four. So it makes sense to try to preserve that as much as
[00:24:33] possible. Venus being sort of I mean, but here's the here's the next question. OK, like apart from
[00:24:38] the you know, the potential of an advantage or an idol, which only was like emerged later in the
[00:24:43] game, not later in the game, but like later and then in the discussion, why not target Kenzie?
[00:24:48] Like why target Venus over Kenzie? That's a great question. I think that this wild card with an
[00:24:53] advantage, I think is probably the ultimate decider. But it seems like that Kenzie did a
[00:24:59] really good job of slipping back under the radar. I really felt like at the start of the episode,
[00:25:03] she seemed like a person. She was Tiffany's closest number one and that it seemed like that
[00:25:10] she would be the next natural person to be able to go out of the game. But ultimately, they felt
[00:25:17] like Venus was the bigger person to target. I mean, the other thing they said was that Venus
[00:25:22] was more competitive in immunity challenges, which like P.S., this has got to be one of the
[00:25:26] all time close calls, especially for her to be eliminated. Like there have been close call
[00:25:30] immunity losses. But this has got to be like one of the closest for the person actually goes home
[00:25:34] after. And there have been some that are probably equally close, but this is up there.
[00:25:37] It was wild because Venus got to that same point like three different times before ultimately the
[00:25:44] ball dropped. And that was a great challenge to watch in the theater with the live audience.
[00:25:50] Every time like the ball falls, you're losing it.
[00:25:52] Oh, so it was that was really, really intense. So how do you think Charlie needs to play this?
[00:26:00] That the next because we're running out of time here also where it's the final six
[00:26:06] that presumably he needs to take out Maria. What do you do with Q?
[00:26:15] I think the move is to go to the end and beat when the final I mean, like
[00:26:18] Q is competitive for the final four. Is he like Q is not done well on the challenges? I mean,
[00:26:22] like he's a strong guy, but he's not done well in the postmerge challenges.
[00:26:25] According to Venus, take this for what you will. Venus says that, you know, with Q and the big
[00:26:31] game that he has played, Venus felt like that if Q got to the final three, Q certainly has a story
[00:26:40] to tell. Yes. A Q winning would be such a great end to this season. I mean, it would be like,
[00:26:46] you know, he was he has been the character of the season, right? Which is, you know, it's been a
[00:26:50] season rich with characters. Yeah. And he has had his wacky moments for sure. And he has had his
[00:26:57] unpredictable moments for sure. But I believe you also commented on the Liz and Q secret scene
[00:27:04] from this episode, right? Yeah. And I think like if Q won, you would think that scene would make
[00:27:09] the actual show. Oh, interesting. You never can tell, though. Yeah. Oh, I don't know. I mean,
[00:27:14] that's so hard to like gauge those things. There's a beautiful scene where basically Q
[00:27:17] approaches Liz, who we saw this episode was extremely mad at him, you know, was cursing his
[00:27:22] name to his face. And then in this beautiful secret scene, like Q goes to her and tries to
[00:27:28] find common ground, you know, shows a lot of empathy to her perspective and, you know, what
[00:27:33] she might be feeling. Yeah. And seems to leave that scene with some, you know, rapprochement.
[00:27:38] Yeah. If I could add some backstory to that secret scene in case you didn't see it, Q and Liz
[00:27:45] have this interesting, similar background. They both have told us that they grew up in very poor
[00:27:54] environments. Food scarcity was an issue for both of them as young people. And also both
[00:28:02] self admittedly are the two wealthiest people now in this cast. So they share this like rags to
[00:28:11] riches background based off of what both of them have told us of Q being a very successful real
[00:28:17] estate agent. That was before he had the thriving Qmeo business. Now forget it, Steven. That he's
[00:28:25] you know, billionaire at this point. Plus then Liz who has, you know, has all these businesses
[00:28:32] and, you know, has really is not here for the money that she's told us that as well.
[00:28:38] So both of them have this background of that being, you know, very successful business people
[00:28:43] who came from nothing and that Q like where Liz has this issue with Q and she like sort of like
[00:28:51] started to try to hash it out with him. And, you know, Q said, is it because we both grew up poor
[00:28:58] and now you're looking at me as I'm the guy who gets everything because I went to Applebee's and
[00:29:03] I had pizza? Like we're both business owners. Right, right, right. And is able to like,
[00:29:08] but like that, like, you know, to be able to inhabit her perspective, like judging him
[00:29:12] in a way that was in like that really clearly resonated for her was really awesome.
[00:29:17] We don't get that in the show. We don't get that in the show. Q is pouting or Q is like often
[00:29:23] by himself laughing at them. And so, and again, and maybe this is like to go back to something
[00:29:29] that you said about how, you know these, you know, moderate takes don't necessarily like
[00:29:34] move the needle, you know, in terms of like, okay, well is, is, you know, the, are these
[00:29:40] characters not as colorful if we include this scene in the episode? I don't know. I thought it was such
[00:29:45] a great scene. And I honestly, like, I think everybody should watch it. It was like, you know,
[00:29:47] the show is all about like, at least, you know, when the show talks about itself, it's all about
[00:29:50] like cross-cultural connections and how, you know, this group of disparate people coming from
[00:29:55] different backgrounds from around the country, you know, and also from Canada,
[00:29:59] um, they all can come together and play this game where they have to find common ground and also
[00:30:03] have to vote each other out. And it is such a fascinating premise, but like that kind of scene
[00:30:07] is exactly what's cool about it. You know, it is that sort of thing. And that's the kind of stuff,
[00:30:10] Steven, that we, you used to have in the show instead of a flashback to one person sort of like
[00:30:17] monologuing about like what their backstory is. To see two people have that type of interaction
[00:30:24] that you get their backstory from them talking about it. I mean, I do think that that's probably
[00:30:29] the more articulate way to be able to paint these characters. Well, I do like the flashback
[00:30:34] backstories and especially like, you know, in this, in this season, in the last season,
[00:30:37] I think they've really, you know, they found a nice spot where you don't feel like we're not
[00:30:40] being hammered by these kind of like one note flashbacks, but I do feel like we're getting more,
[00:30:45] you know, we do get richness and depth from them, but this did seem, I mean, you know, who knows,
[00:30:50] right? Maybe, oh, how could we lose whatever, whatever other thing that we could have seen,
[00:30:54] you know, like, um, but, but I did think it was, it was a really cool moment. And they,
[00:30:58] they obviously thought so too, right? Like usually the secret scenes are things that did almost make
[00:31:02] the episode, you know, they're usually think, I mean, it's, it's an edited cut scene, you know,
[00:31:05] they obviously put the time and care into making this a scene because they believed in it.
[00:31:09] It probably was cut from the episode late and there was probably a good reason for it that
[00:31:12] we're not seeing. Yeah. How about Maria's decision to take the people to take Ben and
[00:31:20] Q to go have pizza after winning the challenge? So I, I have a slightly disparate take and now
[00:31:26] I, or from what I've seen, you know, most people are like, oh my gosh, this is so bad. And Maria,
[00:31:29] here's the thing about these, these challenge decisions, no matter what you do,
[00:31:33] no matter how you do it, people are going to complain. Like if Maria had had a snap,
[00:31:36] you know, they're like, oh my gosh, she took so much time to make us. If she, if she had a snap
[00:31:40] judgment, Hey, it's going to be these two people who've been pissed about that. How could she be
[00:31:44] so dismissive of us? How could she do it so quickly when she knows it means so much to us,
[00:31:48] you know, no matter what you do, there's always going to be a reason about how you did it wrong.
[00:31:52] It's like a breakup. You're never going to do it right. The person you broke up with is never going
[00:31:56] to say thank you. You handle that so beautifully, you know, like they're always going to be like,
[00:31:59] how could you have done it in that precise way? That was exactly the wrong way. Yeah. I don't
[00:32:03] think, I mean, you know, there's an argument to be made that the rock paper scissors is good.
[00:32:06] It does take it out of her hands, you know obviously the contestants didn't feel that
[00:32:12] way. I just think that people left behind were never going to be happy with how she did it. If
[00:32:16] she had just said like Q, you know, you're an important ally for me. Like would they have been
[00:32:20] happy with that? No. And, and also like people were like, why take Q at all? And I have been
[00:32:25] in a situation where you do have to placate people, you know, like part of winning a reward
[00:32:28] is not just like, she said the thing about like, I'm, I'm, I want to do the most, do this in the
[00:32:33] most taintly way. And now I agree with, I agree with Venus there. Like that was probably not a
[00:32:38] useful gloss to put on it when she left and then when Q was one of the two people, but you know,
[00:32:43] in terms of like picking Q, like she, her game is dependent on keeping him happy. Her game is
[00:32:48] not dependent on keeping Venus happy. So yes, bring Q. All right. I want to start off with
[00:32:52] some grace for Maria in this situation, because first off, this, this was not a reward challenge.
[00:32:59] This was an immunity challenge. And this was, as we saw a long, tough challenge. So if I'm coming
[00:33:06] into it, she needed to win. Yes. And she needed to win. And if I'm coming into an immunity
[00:33:10] challenge, I don't know if I necessarily have in my head, who are the people like, you don't know
[00:33:15] what the reward is. You don't even know necessarily that there will be a reward attached to the
[00:33:20] immunity challenge. Maria's coming in. Okay. Like, Hey, I just made this big move. Maybe I gotta
[00:33:24] like really either I need another win or I got to make sure this person doesn't win. And so then
[00:33:30] Jeff springs on you. Okay. You are also going to get to have pizza. And so I don't know if Maria
[00:33:36] has thought through the people that she is taking with her for the pizza reward. And then, you know,
[00:33:43] now cut to maybe an hour later, the challenge is over. Adrenaline is like coursing through your
[00:33:50] body of like, you just did this. You have the rush of that. Like, Jeff's like, all right,
[00:33:54] now I need a decision. And so I do think, you know, Maria then tried to talk it through.
[00:33:59] And I think that what her intention was probably to, I want to give everybody consideration that
[00:34:05] I'm thinking of thinking, I'm thinking of this, but you know, when we go back to like Monica
[00:34:09] Culpepper in Survivor Blood versus Water, whereas like Tyson and Jervis were very much like, okay,
[00:34:16] this is what the Alliance is like. Okay. We're not doing this. Monica would always like hear out the
[00:34:21] other side and was like, all right, let me think about it. Let me, okay. Let me think about it.
[00:34:25] It's close. It's close. But then always would end up siding with Jervis and Tyson.
[00:34:29] And then at the end of the day, the jury was bitter with Monica of like, Hey, you led us on,
[00:34:34] you let us think that there was a chance. And then you just went ahead and did what you had to do.
[00:34:40] So I think on the one hand it's like, oh, I'll make it seem like, okay, everybody,
[00:34:43] I'm thinking of everybody. There's a chance. But then ultimately it ended up like being like more
[00:34:50] of a tease. I think that it was probably was Ben was a good pick. I think that Liz was probably
[00:34:56] the better, especially considering from a strategic point of view. I know Maria is very close with Q,
[00:35:02] but Q himself even said, like, I just went to Applebee's like, uh, like,
[00:35:05] with the one thing we know about QZ is an erratic player. He could be like, oh my gosh,
[00:35:09] you didn't take a one of the six on the reward, you know, big mistake.
[00:35:13] Took you to Applebee's. Right. So, so I think like you, I honestly think picking Q was the
[00:35:17] right choice. I agree that like some of the context she made, she put around it. I would
[00:35:20] have picked you in that, in that spot because like Q is one of her numbers. Like she needs
[00:35:24] to keep that for it's it's the final seven. Yeah, it is the final seven. And that basically
[00:35:28] that she's taking Ben, she knows she's not worried about Charlie and maybe she should be.
[00:35:33] But okay. I think that probably, especially because Liz was like the extra person on that
[00:35:38] last vote that maybe there is a chance to shore that up also that like, hey, Liz,
[00:35:42] you voted with us last night. Let's like, you know, continue to build that relationship.
[00:35:46] And so then especially when she started with, well, I need to talk about who needs it the most.
[00:35:54] That was probably, that was a mistake. I mean, but like, you know, she didn't like,
[00:35:57] like you're saying in this moment of, you know,
[00:35:59] And ultimately it didn't end up mattering for anything because I mean, and maybe it's a
[00:36:04] different story if Maria isn't immune. But I think that people were coming for Maria, whether
[00:36:08] she gave the reward away or not, but it was just another to have these two episodes back to back
[00:36:14] where reward decisions turned out to be so controversial. I mean, what a, what a throwback
[00:36:20] to old school survivor. Truly. It's really fun this season. And you know, kudos to Charlie too,
[00:36:26] for removing himself from the decision, you know, both as a way to kind of put the heat up on Maria
[00:36:31] a little bit more and as a way to, you know, stay back with the losers. I would not, I could not
[00:36:36] have done that. Like, I think that is probably the correct strategic decision here. You know,
[00:36:40] A you're sort of like nominally making it easier for Maria, but you're also kind of making it
[00:36:44] harder for her, but B, you know, you get to stay back with the losers who are always bitter.
[00:36:48] They're always like, we got to get those people out. And you know, there's going to be four
[00:36:51] losers and three winners this time. I don't think I could have done it. Like you're really
[00:36:56] survivor, you know, even in food sometimes does kind of blind you to what could be, you know,
[00:37:02] in your, in your short-term best interest. I think I would have been like been my hands out pleading
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[00:39:17] Let's take some of the questions that we got from the listeners. And so why don't we start with
[00:39:23] Kristen who says, is Venus the fifth person this season to go home with an idol in her pocket?
[00:39:29] What is making people so comfortable that they feel like they don't need to play the idol? And
[00:39:33] how could they possibly still feel so comfortable when so many people before them have been
[00:39:38] blindsided? So this is such an interesting question. And it's so interesting that three
[00:39:43] in a row, basically the exact same story. Q is definitely going home. We know it's Q. I'm sure
[00:39:48] it's Q. Oops. You're blindsided with an idol in your pocket three times in a row. So great. Hope
[00:39:52] it happens a fourth. But but I think they'll put the idol back out there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They got
[00:39:57] to. Are you kidding with this with this run? Of course. And it probably idles in every tree.
[00:40:03] But, you know, so Jeff's address this on his podcast, which, you know, I listened to the clip
[00:40:07] and he said that the the thing that is making this happen is great gameplay. Is that your
[00:40:13] readout, Rob? Is that what's happening here? Great gameplay. Well, could you expand on that?
[00:40:19] In what way? He said that the trend of people going out with idols in their pockets is great
[00:40:24] gameplay. Hmm. His point was that it takes a lot of great gameplay to convince someone
[00:40:31] that they are safe, even as they've seen the exact same thing happen. Yeah. I just say it
[00:40:36] was being somewhat glib because like, you know, the idea that the gameplay is at such a high
[00:40:41] level that three people in a row made the exact same boneheaded blunder. I think the overthinking
[00:40:46] is at an all time high. So I just want to say, OK, because, you know, when I when I recriticize
[00:40:53] Jeff, I feel like someone some guilt about that because he gave me one of the most amazing
[00:40:56] experiences of my life. It does. It is true that it takes a lot of great gameplay to actually pull
[00:41:02] the wool over someone's eyes because they are asking themselves the same question. They are
[00:41:06] aware, hey, this just happened to this person. So to be able to so thoroughly convince them like
[00:41:10] that, I do think there is some great gameplay there. Yeah. OK, so I was thinking about this
[00:41:15] earlier today as I was getting ready for the podcast and I was thinking like, OK, so in the
[00:41:20] meta of where we are now, like is the move to sort of like Allah Venus imply? OK, like I've got you
[00:41:29] know, I've got something like maybe we could use it and then. Actually, use it where it's almost
[00:41:35] like you bait people taking the shot on you by set by sort of like like letting it slip out that
[00:41:43] you have it, it's almost kind of like a reverse, like Parvati and Amanda, right? Of, you know,
[00:41:48] sort of like, OK, well, because that the player because everybody is like salivating of like,
[00:41:53] oh, we'll blindside them. They have an idol. We'll get them tonight. We'll put the votes on them.
[00:41:59] They're never going to expect it. And then you, as the idol holder now get to have this moment
[00:42:05] where the thing about the idol is you never know when or how the votes are coming at you.
[00:42:11] But what if you leaked that you had the idol to sort of bluff them into thinking like, oh,
[00:42:18] I like me. Oh, no, maybe I don't. Just kidding. And then, you know, now that they're going to
[00:42:23] come for you and then you do play the idol correctly. Dang. And then next week they vote
[00:42:28] you out. But you had such a big move last week. Yeah, you move. But then I started thinking about,
[00:42:34] OK, but why did it work for Tiffany the one time? Or maybe it was that sort of like the
[00:42:41] the tipping point of like, OK, we're just going to go for these people because if they say they
[00:42:45] have an idol and they're going to play it, they're probably trying to keep it for another round.
[00:42:50] How did Tiffany earlier this season pull it off successfully where then Hunter, Tiffany herself
[00:42:58] and Venus all failed? Well, I mean, with Tiffany, there was also Hunter, right? I mean, Tiffany,
[00:43:03] you know, you had Hunter in that exact same tribal council who was also at an idol. So if it wasn't
[00:43:08] Tiffany, one of them was going to be able to last that that tribal council with their idol. But
[00:43:13] that was the trouble. Hunter was voted out at. So he they people knew he had an idol, which he has
[00:43:18] alluded to. And he also was this huge immunity threat that they felt they needed to get out
[00:43:24] immediately. OK. All right. Lorenzo in the chat says, does Charlie have fishback downside at final
[00:43:31] tribal council? That's what I put. He's doing a good job staying hidden and making moves in
[00:43:36] the shadows that the jury will not be able to identify and pinpoint as easily. Yeah. I mean,
[00:43:41] I do think there is that risk for Charlie. I would just be so I mean, just from like again,
[00:43:47] I have certainly misread the edit basically consistently in the last six seasons. But
[00:43:51] I'm that being said, I do think that I would Charlie has been such the dominant strategic
[00:44:00] narrator, certainly of like the recent part of the game, that I would be so surprised if he made
[00:44:04] it to the end. It didn't win. Like I think everyone would would have a lot of trouble unless we really
[00:44:08] see like a series of obvious boneheaded moves. Yeah. I mean, I do. Do you agree with that? Take
[00:44:13] Rob? I agree with it. But I do wonder just in the meta of like where we are and as sort of like the
[00:44:19] most sophisticated viewers of this television show that there are, that is the fact that Charlie
[00:44:28] is getting this edit, maybe a bad signal that Charlie will be that Jesse type player,
[00:44:36] the you should have won guy. Yeah. And I hope that he does win. Yeah. Wow. You're rooting
[00:44:43] against the rest of them. I put Charlie in a very important draft. No, but I really I love I love the
[00:44:52] the the gameplay style from Charlie, because to me that is like inherently survivor of the person
[00:45:00] who is sort of like the more of the underdog, you know, waiting in the shadows to strike,
[00:45:07] who is very, you know, carefully in a little finger esque way manipulating what's going on.
[00:45:14] And people don't really know it's him giving great confessionals to the camera. He's won
[00:45:19] challenges as well. So I really I'm I'm really just so such a fan of what Charlie has been able
[00:45:26] to do. But I'm almost worried that we've seen too much of what he's doing. And I'm wondering if,
[00:45:34] like many others in the new era before him, like a record, like an Omer, like a Jesse,
[00:45:42] like a Carson, you know, trying to go last season who it could have been.
[00:45:48] And less so because, because, because D, you know, did play this game, but, you know, maybe
[00:45:51] drew to assert, but not really drew just like more of the archetype. He's not really he wasn't that
[00:45:54] character in terms of like owning the strategy of the show. But like yeah, I mean, last season,
[00:45:59] that person did sort of win, you know, like D kind of was that person. So, you know, and D had a
[00:46:05] lot of confessionals. And I mean, honestly, that was one of the reasons I didn't think D was going
[00:46:08] to win was 45. The anomaly in the new era and that it was like a tight alliance and not this game of
[00:46:13] like take out the like king of the pack. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that is my take has been my take
[00:46:20] pretty consistently is that like Charlie has like Omer downside really or, you know, or Jesse
[00:46:25] downside that he has been such a consistent, you know, strategic narrator that like we've seen like
[00:46:30] over and over again this season that that person get eliminated basically at the, you know, in the
[00:46:37] finale sort of at the, but or right before the finale, but, but do you think here's the real
[00:46:44] question related to that, Rob, let's say that happens to Charlie, you know, fire loser or,
[00:46:49] you know, blindsided like Maria gets wise to him and blindsides him with the final six,
[00:46:53] which would be a good move. It would be a good move. Who gets a spot on 50 Jesse or Charlie?
[00:46:58] I personally, I think that they're different archetypes. I really, I don't think that
[00:47:02] they're competing for the same spot. I think that Charlie could have a tough road back to
[00:47:09] season 50 because I feel like that, you know, like really when you, when you put together this cast,
[00:47:16] now it's more of a puzzle than it's ever been before when you're doing these all-star cast,
[00:47:20] because you have the diversity initiative. And so, you know, you have a lot of people that,
[00:47:26] you know, people are talking about, okay, well, you're probably gonna have this first,
[00:47:28] probably gonna have this person, but I think you're going to start to run out of spots.
[00:47:32] But I think that Charlie would be worthy of another run, but I think that he may have his
[00:47:39] work cut out for him in terms of like maybe going up against some other,
[00:47:44] like maybe more colorful personalities, even though the game is extremely strong.
[00:47:49] Yeah. That's interesting. I think, I think, yeah, I mean, it's, it's you're right. And also
[00:47:54] like, especially like with that sort of like strategic player archetype, like,
[00:47:58] you know, is it, you know, Christian who gets that spot instead or, or Devins? But anyway,
[00:48:02] that's why I was just being, I was just trying to put you in the hot seat. Okay. Yeah.
[00:48:09] But I think he's also fighting in the same spot, maybe against, you know, somebody like a Xander,
[00:48:14] you know, who somebody who I think would be a good person to bring back.
[00:48:18] You've been pro Xander, like even since his season, you've been very pro Xander as a returning player.
[00:48:22] I saw him in Chicago too. I mean, yeah.
[00:48:26] He to me, he was, I mean, he's very handsome, but are they going to cast him again?
[00:48:33] I don't know. I think this is honestly, it's, I do not envy the position of the person that has to
[00:48:38] put this together, but maybe we'll do a couple of podcasts about it at some point down the road.
[00:48:42] Let's see. Stay tuned. Okay. All right. Then how about from Sarah Sparkman? What is Kenzie's
[00:48:50] path forward? I think we have three possible outcomes for this season, Steven. Okay.
[00:48:55] I think we have the possibility of a Maria win. And so that world is Maria keeps her four together.
[00:49:01] They go to like, she kind of like maybe takes out Charlie. Stalwartly, you know,
[00:49:06] charges forward, mostly plots forward, but that would be respectful.
[00:49:09] Honestly, Maria takes out Charlie. I feel like that she wins the game.
[00:49:15] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a game winning move for her.
[00:49:18] Yeah. And maybe that is why Charlie has been such, or one of the reasons Charlie has been
[00:49:21] such a big character is like we show it like that's often what that happens, right? It's like
[00:49:25] we see the person who beats the big character, that person ends up winning.
[00:49:29] Maybe. Yeah. Maybe ultimately that's Maria's signature move of that. We take out Charlie.
[00:49:34] Yeah. I mean, that was what Gabler did taking out Jesse. We saw that. I mean,
[00:49:37] Jam Jam took out Carson. Of course, Jam Jam had a lot of moves.
[00:49:39] Okay. Second scenario, Charlie takes out Maria and Charlie wins. But I think that the third
[00:49:45] scenario, and I think that this is how it would play out. Charlie takes out Maria and then the
[00:49:53] rest of the people left vote out Charlie or Charlie doesn't win or somebody beats Charlie in
[00:49:59] fire making. Or Kenzie beats Charlie in fire making. Or Kenzie beats Charlie in fire making
[00:50:04] or Kenzie takes out Charlie and that's her big move. But I feel like that the third possible
[00:50:10] scenario, I don't think Q would win, even though that would be highly entertaining and I would love
[00:50:16] it. I don't think that Ben has a serious shot to win. I don't think that Liz at this point has a
[00:50:22] serious shot to win. I think that the third possibility is a Kenzie win. Yeah. I agree with
[00:50:28] that. I think that's right. Okay. So yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Yeah. How would you feel about
[00:50:36] that? Great. I mean, I think she's, you know, again, she's got a great story, you know,
[00:50:40] starting at Yanu. You know, she, she, you know, really influential in the early merge. I mean,
[00:50:46] she has kind of like taken a real backseat. Yeah. But maybe, maybe ultimately she gets the spots
[00:50:51] to be in. Maybe she gets Q out. Maybe that's her, you know, her, her payback. Yeah. And so much does
[00:50:58] matter is about, you know, what you do at the end and who you're sitting next to mermaid dragon.
[00:51:03] Okay. Yeah. Steven, anything else on your mind about survivor heading into our penultimate
[00:51:11] episode next week? No, no fishy this week. Well, let's talk about it, Rob, who gets the fishy.
[00:51:21] This, I mean, I think you have to give it to Charlie. I don't, I don't really even know who
[00:51:25] I mean, he sussed out the Venus idol, but ultimately he went along with Maria's plan.
[00:51:29] I mean, you can't give it to Maria because she didn't seem to squander so much, you know,
[00:51:32] so much social capital. I mean, what was interesting to me was Charlie almost got credit
[00:51:37] for Maria's move last week. You know, we got confessionals from Charlie being like,
[00:51:40] I gave that move to her credit in the confessional, but not to the other players. That's the move.
[00:51:46] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's say Charlie, I don't know who else you would do it.
[00:51:51] Uh, but there's a world where this is a game losing move, you know,
[00:51:54] vis-a-vis Monica Culpepper. You know, this could be Charlie's Monica Culpepper moment where
[00:51:59] he dangles this promise to all the other contestants. And then, um, and then like,
[00:52:05] it's like, well, I'm actually going to go with everybody. I mean, it was ultimately,
[00:52:09] this was a six to one vote against Venus with, uh, the one, uh, you know, protection against
[00:52:15] the idol that Ben put a vote on Kenzie. Yeah. Let's talk about that because every single episode,
[00:52:20] people are doing the idol slash shot in the dark protection. And every single episode,
[00:52:24] people are like, why did this person have a stray vote? It is always the shot in the dark or the
[00:52:28] idol protection is. Yeah. In this case, I think it was the, she said she had something just in case.
[00:52:34] Um, Shannon said something interesting with Kelly. Well, I guess maybe more shot in the dark though,
[00:52:39] because like, I know she's voting, but she thought she was part of a four against the three. I don't
[00:52:45] think she would do the shot in the dark in that spot, but I'm just saying like, if you know,
[00:52:48] she's voting and not voting for you, you don't need to spend your vote on her. If she's playing
[00:52:52] an idol because the idol doesn't take away your vote. The extra of hanky vote is shot in the dark
[00:52:57] protection because that person doesn't vote. The extra hanky vote is shot in the like theoretically,
[00:53:03] right? If it's just an idol play, Ben doesn't. And Ben does not believe that he's voting for her
[00:53:07] for him. I mean, there's still a world where Ben votes that way with the Kenzie vote, but like
[00:53:12] then you're at the optimal position move. If you believe that Venus is not voting for you
[00:53:16] is not to put Kenzie's name out there because that puts you do want to do that. Oh, go ahead.
[00:53:21] Can I, can I flip Shannon's idea? I want to get your take on this that, okay. So that Ben put one
[00:53:27] vote on Kenzie and Shannon was speculating that, okay, the vote hypothetically Venus plays her idol.
[00:53:35] All the votes against Venus get canceled. Now the vote is one vote. Q one vote, Kenzie. That's good.
[00:53:42] Shannon had said that she thought on the revote, they take out Q. That's good. That are taking
[00:53:47] out Kenzie. That Shannon's Shannon's was positing that on the revote, they would take out Q.
[00:53:56] But why if the point of Ben putting Kenzie's name out there would be to take out Kenzie on the
[00:54:02] revote because well, Q's name is already out there from Venus's vote. I mean, you wouldn't need.
[00:54:06] Well, you could, but this could be a sneaky way to take out Q. Ben is no fan of Q that he felt like
[00:54:13] that Venus was more of a poser. But he, Ben has been pretty adamant. He is not a fan of Q and that
[00:54:22] potentially, you know, Q could have gone home on the revote. I'm going to get stuck on this because
[00:54:29] it doesn't make sense. Right. He wouldn't, you wouldn't put the Kenzie name out there because
[00:54:33] Q's name is already out there. If your goal is to get Q out, then all you need is the idle play
[00:54:37] in the Q vote. You don't need his like Kenzie vote for a revote. That's what we get to get rid of
[00:54:40] Kenzie. Okay. So basically you would just leave it in the hands of the six to one. Yeah. Well,
[00:54:44] cause like him voting Kenzie doesn't, doesn't facilitate Q getting voted out. It facilitates
[00:54:48] Kenzie getting a voter. Yeah. That's a good point. Maybe, maybe she was saying that. No,
[00:54:54] that wasn't what she said. I'm telling you what she's like, uh, like what she said and then you
[00:55:00] punched a hole in it. Yeah. Okay. Uh, well maybe the plan was Kenzie if he displays her idol. I
[00:55:05] mean, honestly, that's a great, that's a great read. She just, you know, that's just the end
[00:55:09] getting used to just get slightly tweaked. Okay. Um, Steven, what else is coming up for you?
[00:55:13] Um, just waiting till next week, you know, it's gonna be pacing my apartment again,
[00:55:17] waiting, waiting, waiting. Okay. Um, waiting for the next episode of Survivor. Yeah. Okay. All
[00:55:24] right. Well, congratulations to Charlie, a winner of the coveted fishy award. I'll get our
[00:55:30] crack social media team on it to award him as soon as possible. Thank you so much for joining us.
[00:55:37] Uh, patrons, I'm going to be back live 11 AM Eastern on Saturday. Get your coffee and a call
[00:55:44] in. I've been having a great calls with the patrons. Uh, we've been doing about like two
[00:55:49] hours of calls with the patrons. Uh, they called in, have some great questions. Uh, it's been a,
[00:55:55] uh, real fun part of this season to get all of the additional questions and takes. And again,
[00:56:01] uh, thanks to everybody who came out and said hello on our live show on Wednesday in Chicago.
[00:56:06] It was a truly a great time. And so, uh, we only missed Steven. That was the only thing.
[00:56:11] Yeah. Just send me my invite next time. Okay. All right. Must've got lost in the mail. All right.
[00:56:16] Thank you so much for joining us to care. Everybody have a good one. Bye.
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