Kellie Nalbandian Recaps Survivor 47 Ep 9

[00:00:08] Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Cesternino back after. What a wild night of Survivor this was and I'm very excited to get into it tonight on the post-game show here with a woman who herself was once the second juror from Survivor 45, Kelly Nalbandian. Kelly, how are you?

[00:00:29] I'm even better because you pronounced my last name flawlessly, Rob.

[00:00:33] Flawlessly, right?

[00:00:35] Flawlessly.

[00:00:35] Look, as a Cesternino, it takes a while for people to get my last name right, but once you get it, you get it.

[00:00:43] You think Cesternino and Nalbandian are on equal playing fields?

[00:00:46] Why, are you saying, are you claiming that your last name is harder to pronounce?

[00:00:51] I'm hard claiming that.

[00:00:53] How many letters you got? What do you got?

[00:00:54] Ten.

[00:00:55] Ten, that's what I have.

[00:00:57] Okay.

[00:00:57] We're both the 10th place letter last names.

[00:01:01] I got a lot of consonant repetition, you know?

[00:01:05] Yeah.

[00:01:05] That throws people off.

[00:01:07] Okay.

[00:01:07] People call me Nalbandian.

[00:01:08] I got a lot too much air for that.

[00:01:11] Well, look, Kelly, this isn't a last name measuring contest, okay?

[00:01:13] We're here to talk about-

[00:01:14] It's a burping contest.

[00:01:16] Yes.

[00:01:16] All right.

[00:01:17] Well, we are, uh, Saul, uh, I'm trying to make a, uh, an analogy to, uh, was expelled out of the game like, uh, air from a diaphragm tonight.

[00:01:31] You're making a nurse joke?

[00:01:33] It was a burping allegory.

[00:01:36] A burp joke.

[00:01:37] Yeah.

[00:01:37] You know, I'm, I think the world loves Saul.

[00:01:41] I loved Saul.

[00:01:42] What's not to love?

[00:01:43] What's not to love?

[00:01:45] My mom loves Saul.

[00:01:47] I feel like a lot of moms love Saul.

[00:01:49] So everyone at America is, is weeping tonight.

[00:01:53] Yes.

[00:01:53] Uh, well, our, uh, national nightmare, uh, tonight as Saul ends up going home and a very wild episode, you know, it seemed like that this was sort of like a humdrum affair for about an hour of this episode.

[00:02:08] Yeah.

[00:02:09] And then the last half hour things really got wild.

[00:02:12] And I think we have a lot to unpack.

[00:02:13] So I'm very excited to have you here, Kelly, to be able to give your analysis on how this all went down first.

[00:02:20] How are you?

[00:02:21] Oh, I'm great.

[00:02:22] This is so much fun.

[00:02:23] I mean, I love strategic survivor and I love messy survivor.

[00:02:28] I think we had a beautiful culmination of those two things tonight in, even in that last, like middle at scramble and end like so much fun.

[00:02:37] I'm like, unsure who's, who's this is best for, but it was great and strategic the whole way through still.

[00:02:45] So, I mean, a win, win all around.

[00:02:47] All right.

[00:02:48] So, uh, we're going to unpack all of that, get your questions in for later on in the show.

[00:02:53] And then on Thursday morning, I'll have the chance to talk to, uh, the man himself.

[00:02:58] Saul will join me for an exit interview and then the survivor know it also will be back on Thursday.

[00:03:04] Steven and I will talk about everything at 3 PM Eastern.

[00:03:08] So be there live for that on Friday at three.

[00:03:11] I will also be taking patron questions.

[00:03:13] Our live patron Q and a is going to be at 3 PM.

[00:03:16] And so, uh, for the link to that, join us.

[00:03:19] Rob is website.com slash patron.

[00:03:21] So Kelly, this was such an interesting turn of events and we had everybody separated and broken off into their pairs.

[00:03:28] And then we had the people who went on the reward and they sort of like very quickly said, okay, um, let's just, let's just go with Sam.

[00:03:37] Okay. That's an easy decision.

[00:03:39] Okay.

[00:03:39] Back at camp.

[00:03:41] We see Genevieve decide.

[00:03:45] I think we need to go for Saul.

[00:03:49] We've heard Genevieve in the last couple episodes talk about, I'm not looking for the big threats.

[00:03:55] I'm looking for the sneaky threats.

[00:03:58] I love that.

[00:03:59] Super interesting and very fun, but I still don't exactly know why Genevieve wants Saul.

[00:04:09] She talked about like, yeah, he tried to go for Rome.

[00:04:12] That was my ally.

[00:04:13] I still don't trust him.

[00:04:15] Isn't it better for Genevieve who masterfully got Saul out of the game?

[00:04:20] Yes.

[00:04:21] But for credit there for, I have to give her credit for what she executed.

[00:04:25] But I still, I don't see the vision.

[00:04:30] Why get Saul out of the game?

[00:04:32] Yeah.

[00:04:33] I, I left with the same thought, Rob, and I have really enjoyed watching Genevieve play.

[00:04:39] Um, but I, yeah, I, I feel like when I was looking at the future of this game, I'm like the lava three.

[00:04:46] So three, there were to me, like one of the more interesting groups, um, that I feel like they could have almost maneuvered in a similar fashion to the Tika three, right?

[00:04:56] Like bounce between these tribes have that sort of ability.

[00:04:59] And Genevieve was really the linchpin in my opinion, like the player who could maybe have the most winner equity of that three.

[00:05:06] So yeah, I was surprised by her gunning for Saul this early.

[00:05:12] I think it, you know, time will tell sort of how this works out for her, but yeah, I, I'm, I'm not currently seeing like why, why she did that.

[00:05:22] I am, I think it's going to be, and then, you know, the whole thing gets so chaotic.

[00:05:26] Uh, it's hard to know who's actually going to get credit for this.

[00:05:30] And I agree with you on the sneaky threats thing.

[00:05:32] Like I am all about that.

[00:05:34] I think that, um, you know, we've seen a lot of people when survivor who aren't always the on paper threat, especially in the new era.

[00:05:41] So I think that's like a great observation from Genevieve, a great way to approach the game.

[00:05:45] I think the person who maybe had a similar idea, but about a different person was Sam as he's talking about Sue being so well insulated.

[00:05:54] Um, that might be a different kind of sneaky threat, like a sneaky threat who takes your place later on in the game, who sneaky threat who can keep going on.

[00:06:02] Uh, you know, so it's weighing two different approaches to like the same idea.

[00:06:07] Yeah.

[00:06:08] We saw from last week, Genevieve went very quickly to Rachel and to Sue, which that she had spent the previous episode at the reward with all the people from Gata.

[00:06:20] And it looked like that Gata and Lavo were going to come together and, and team up against, uh, Tuku.

[00:06:27] But it seemed like that Genevieve also felt like, okay, well, Teenie really wants to work with Gata.

[00:06:32] So I really want to work with Tuku.

[00:06:36] And she very quickly just gravitated towards Sue and Caroline.

[00:06:40] And there really had not been any sort of like interaction previously between them.

[00:06:46] She just very quickly gravitated towards working with Sue and Caroline.

[00:06:51] Yeah.

[00:06:51] It might be a little bit of like, um, which I can, you know, relate to a little bit, like wanting to be in the driver's seat more so.

[00:07:00] Whereas like, you know, if she, if she goes along with Teenie's idea, she might not feel like she's in control, especially since there was a point of the game where she lacked control.

[00:07:10] I think that incentivizes your desire to have it, um, in this type of like more chaotic situations.

[00:07:18] Um, it's kind of like playing with the power or playing against the power here.

[00:07:22] Uh, but she, and she choose to play with it.

[00:07:25] I don't know where that leaves her in an alliance structure of Tuku's, um, and a scorned Teenie.

[00:07:31] Yeah.

[00:07:32] Genevieve's story is very interesting.

[00:07:34] And she said something at tribal council that I really enjoyed that she talked about.

[00:07:38] Hey, I saw my name at that very first tribal council.

[00:07:42] And as far as I'm concerned, I have 007 license to kill.

[00:07:48] That should have been the episode title.

[00:07:50] I mean, that was great.

[00:07:50] Yeah.

[00:07:51] I don't know what the episode title was nightmare fuel.

[00:07:54] I think Andy's to kill is good.

[00:07:56] Uh, maybe that's not on paramount plus.

[00:07:58] And so they don't have the license to use that, but it was about joy.

[00:08:04] Okay.

[00:08:04] Yes.

[00:08:05] Okay.

[00:08:06] They're not about killing.

[00:08:07] Okay.

[00:08:08] Right.

[00:08:09] So for Genevieve, she, uh, had these couple of like, uh, interesting tribal councils where first

[00:08:17] she ends up, uh, blindsiding Saul and then ends up blindsiding Teenie on the next vote.

[00:08:24] Now you didn't go to any of the pre-merged tribal councils.

[00:08:27] And so the, but we talk about like, okay, oh, well you should go to the pre-merged tribal

[00:08:32] councils, but here's the, in the case of Genevieve, like she's gone to these pre-merged

[00:08:35] tribal councils and some of this like lingering bad blood is still spilling over to the merge

[00:08:42] where now, you know, she's trying very hard to get away from Lavo because I don't know

[00:08:47] if I could trust these people from the stuff that happened in the pre-merge.

[00:08:51] Yeah.

[00:08:51] And that's fair.

[00:08:52] I think maybe, I don't know.

[00:08:55] I think the ideal amount of pre-merged tribal councils to go to is one, um, maybe not two

[00:09:00] or three.

[00:09:01] Um, so I guess that's where I'll land on that one.

[00:09:05] Um, yeah, I think it's a little, I mean, it's very funny.

[00:09:10] I love the confessional being like, but I'm petty.

[00:09:12] So screw you Saul.

[00:09:14] It's great.

[00:09:15] You know what I mean?

[00:09:15] Like Venus Vafa is back a little bit.

[00:09:17] Right.

[00:09:17] But it is, it is like, I don't know.

[00:09:21] I'm not, I'm not really sure if it makes sense long-term for Genevieve, but she has, like

[00:09:26] we said, like this ends up a nine, one vote on Saul.

[00:09:29] So Genevieve has some sauce that is working.

[00:09:32] She has the right idea.

[00:09:33] She has the social capital.

[00:09:34] She's spending it now.

[00:09:36] I don't know if she's spending it too early, but I love watching it.

[00:09:39] All right.

[00:09:40] So this vote nine to one, as you mentioned, did anything change at the live tribal in your

[00:09:47] opinion?

[00:09:48] Oh yeah.

[00:09:48] I mean, there's no way.

[00:09:51] Teenie's like so genuine in their reactions.

[00:09:54] Um, I loved, I thought Teenie was so fun to watch this whole episode.

[00:09:58] Um, we got a little, you know, Kendra crying for me esque moment from Teenie there.

[00:10:03] But I think like they were so, so genuine in their confusion in the beginning of like where

[00:10:09] it's going that I think the tribal was so live that it was impossible to include.

[00:10:15] And, or they just wanted to blindside the audience and be like, what's going to happen?

[00:10:18] But probably somebody spilled the beans to Teenie and, and the others, um, at the last

[00:10:23] minute.

[00:10:23] So I really thought coming into tribal council, I thought, okay, things got too crazy.

[00:10:27] It's too chaotic.

[00:10:28] It's going to revert back to Kyle.

[00:10:31] That's really what I thought coming into tribal council.

[00:10:33] So I was very surprised as, uh, the chat is pointing out, uh, an eight to one vote.

[00:10:39] Sorry guys.

[00:10:41] Saul in the chat.

[00:10:42] Thank you.

[00:10:42] GD plasmin.

[00:10:44] That's why I was surprised.

[00:10:47] So what do you think that, that eventually it ended up getting, uh, sorted out that everybody

[00:10:52] got on the same page?

[00:10:53] Yeah, I have to assume that.

[00:10:55] I mean, I don't think Teenie, um, was under the impression that that was the plan at all.

[00:11:00] I think Teenie had no idea about that plan.

[00:11:02] So the only way that they would have flipped to vote for Saul was somebody told them like,

[00:11:07] Hey, you're about to be completely out of this vote.

[00:11:09] Um, tide has turned and, you know, you can either go down with the show or go down with

[00:11:14] the ship or jump on.

[00:11:15] Yeah.

[00:11:16] So we saw before tribal council.

[00:11:19] Okay.

[00:11:19] We, so Genevieve, she goes to Sue and Gabe, uh, and even Kyle is on board.

[00:11:25] Kyle, what happened to the SSA?

[00:11:27] I know.

[00:11:28] One of the salt secret agents.

[00:11:30] What happened?

[00:11:31] He's like, Oh, it's like, okay, this is great.

[00:11:33] I needed to get a blind side anyway.

[00:11:35] So they got all of two coups and now, uh, plus Genevieve said four, they need one more

[00:11:41] and they go to Andy and Andy.

[00:11:43] Andy isn't like a hard yes, but he's like, let me know if you have the votes and if you

[00:11:48] have it, then, then I, I don't want to miss out on this.

[00:11:52] Why did Genevieve keep going?

[00:11:54] It sounded like that to me.

[00:11:56] I think you come back to Andy in five minutes and say, Hey Andy, great news.

[00:12:01] We got this.

[00:12:02] Yeah.

[00:12:03] I think maybe there is.

[00:12:05] Do you not want to have it hinge on Andy?

[00:12:07] Yeah.

[00:12:07] That's my thought.

[00:12:08] I think that we, the audience are seeing confessionals of Andy making sense, like being a strong player.

[00:12:16] You know what I mean?

[00:12:17] Like having this arc that is probably somewhat evident on the Island, but not as evident to

[00:12:22] the other players, right?

[00:12:23] You still have Sam kind of like Duncan on Andy and a confessional.

[00:12:26] And, you know, he's still having like some struggling, like challenge moments and things like that,

[00:12:31] where I think people are still underestimating him and, or are still reluctant to put full

[00:12:37] trust in him.

[00:12:38] And I think that that would be my guess on what motivates Genevieve to, to also talk to Rachel

[00:12:45] about it.

[00:12:45] But it also might just be like, uh, you know, I'm going to try to cover my bases thing, but

[00:12:50] I feel like you have to see the, the dominoes that fall coming.

[00:12:55] Yeah.

[00:12:56] Okay.

[00:12:56] Cause it's okay.

[00:12:57] So she has it at that point where she talks to Andy about it, but then she ends up then

[00:13:03] talking to Rachel and tells Rachel about it.

[00:13:07] And Rachel gets put into a very bad spot here because here comes Sam and Sam starts asking

[00:13:14] questions.

[00:13:16] How do you think Rachel should have handled when Sam is like basically doing the basically

[00:13:23] process of elimination to get it down to that?

[00:13:26] It is going to be Saul.

[00:13:28] Yeah.

[00:13:28] I think that was a great approach from Sam.

[00:13:32] Uh, I will give him kudos for that.

[00:13:34] Yeah.

[00:13:34] Yeah.

[00:13:34] I think Rachel is in like, um, like you said, a very bad spot here.

[00:13:39] Like she's kind of damned if she does damned if she doesn't.

[00:13:41] Right.

[00:13:41] Like, um, they have expressed to each other, Sam and Rachel, that they're sort of like both

[00:13:46] screwed, both need each other, need to work with each other throughout the rest of this

[00:13:50] game.

[00:13:51] And if Rachel is withholding information from Sam, who is theoretically on the block tonight,

[00:13:57] will Sam really trust Rachel moving forward?

[00:14:00] And that's somebody Rachel wants to work with, you know, for the rest of the game, she's saying.

[00:14:05] So there's that.

[00:14:07] And then there's, okay, am I going to go against the majority here?

[00:14:11] Who's telling me the information?

[00:14:13] I don't know.

[00:14:14] I think it's basically, it's ideal, but impossible to do what Rachel said at the beginning where

[00:14:20] you're like, it's not going to be you.

[00:14:21] You're going to be fine, but I can't tell you like, that would be great.

[00:14:24] But like, it's, I don't know if anyone could pull that off ever.

[00:14:28] I'll be very impressed.

[00:14:29] Um, but yeah, the chain of events is, I think Rachel just has to lie to Sam.

[00:14:35] I don't think that she can like try to tell Sam it's going to be okay.

[00:14:40] I think she just has to act like she does not know what is going to go on.

[00:14:44] And then she has to be okay and endorse the ensuing chaos.

[00:14:50] And that's what she wants, or she has to commit to this, this majority plan and just keep screwing

[00:14:56] over Sam.

[00:14:57] Um, which I don't know, maybe like she's been on the bottom and out of votes several times.

[00:15:02] It doesn't feel great probably.

[00:15:03] So she could have a little bit of empathy for Sam there.

[00:15:07] Um, but you know, I think like really an interesting, maybe understated, but interesting

[00:15:13] episode from Rachel overall.

[00:15:15] Um, I really enjoyed the conversation with her and Andy at the beginning.

[00:15:19] Um, and, and like, you know, she went from this, you know, enemy number one, and now

[00:15:24] she's got a lot of options and information similar to Andy.

[00:15:27] And that was interesting too, because that turns out to not be super relevant in this

[00:15:31] episode.

[00:15:32] We never see Rachel and Andy come back and compare notes.

[00:15:35] I wonder if that's going to be part of the story for later on in the season where we get

[00:15:40] more of the Rachel and Andy.

[00:15:42] This was sort of like a check-in here at this point, but it feels that way.

[00:15:46] Yeah.

[00:15:47] For Rachel, I would just, uh, love to just get your thought on in terms of her telling

[00:15:55] Sam or if she, if she doesn't say anything to Sam, she knows Sam's not going to go home.

[00:16:01] If this just goes through, Sam is blindsided, but Saul goes home.

[00:16:06] Is Sam upset with Rachel?

[00:16:10] I think a little, maybe not enormously upset because I think Sam.

[00:16:16] Or is he just like relieved of like, Oh, okay.

[00:16:18] Oh, it's just Saul.

[00:16:19] It wasn't me.

[00:16:21] Maybe it's like a judgment call on Rachel's part there.

[00:16:23] Like she knows Sam better than we do.

[00:16:25] Like how he, Sam has kind of been on top until this moment.

[00:16:31] So, you know, you have to sort of like suss out is, you know, is Sam going to be okay

[00:16:37] with this?

[00:16:37] Like, is he going to be okay with not knowing the outcome kind of being in that Andy role?

[00:16:43] She's not, you know, he's probably not.

[00:16:45] I think that he probably would actually be upset with Rachel, but, and I guess it's just

[00:16:50] a matter of like, uh, who do you want to work with?

[00:16:53] Like really long-term?

[00:16:54] Like she's essentially invested in Sam here.

[00:16:58] And now she might not feel so good about it.

[00:17:01] I mean, I think this is one of those, uh, votes and tribals where things have exploded.

[00:17:07] I think the game is going to be wide open a little bit after this, like all these duos

[00:17:12] and these strong groups are like mostly gone besides the, the two goos there.

[00:17:16] So then let's take it from Sam's perspective then.

[00:17:20] Okay.

[00:17:20] So now, okay.

[00:17:21] Now Sam is the person who finds out from Rachel.

[00:17:25] Okay.

[00:17:26] That it's going to be Saul and she says, okay, but you can't say anything.

[00:17:30] He's like F that Saul come here.

[00:17:33] My God.

[00:17:33] It was literally immediate.

[00:17:35] I felt so bad for Rachel in this moment.

[00:17:38] I was like, Oh no, they told me not to say anything.

[00:17:41] And I said the thing and uh, everybody's gonna be mad at me.

[00:17:44] So quick.

[00:17:45] Yeah, I know.

[00:17:48] For Sam, it's like.

[00:17:49] Did she realize what was happening?

[00:17:52] I think so.

[00:17:53] I think she knows.

[00:17:55] I mean, the rest of the night was, is extremely chaotic.

[00:17:58] Rachel knows that she's the one who spilled the beans.

[00:18:00] Yeah.

[00:18:00] Yeah.

[00:18:01] Okay.

[00:18:01] So Sam goes to Saul and says, Saul, we're turning this whole thing around.

[00:18:06] Okay.

[00:18:08] Me, you, all, all of Lavo.

[00:18:11] Okay.

[00:18:11] And I guess that he felt like, okay, do we have Rachel too?

[00:18:14] We're flipping this thing.

[00:18:16] And we are going to take out one of the Tuku tonight.

[00:18:20] Mm-hmm.

[00:18:21] Yeah.

[00:18:22] I think I actually really liked Sam's logic here.

[00:18:25] Um, how he, how he thought about Sue in the game.

[00:18:29] I think like, I think he's spot on right there.

[00:18:32] She is probably the most well insulated, uh, player left in the game.

[00:18:36] I think the most rock solid, actually trusting Alliance, especially now that the level three

[00:18:40] is clearly not going to work is the Caroline, Sue and Gabe.

[00:18:45] So that's a concern, I think, for everybody.

[00:18:48] And the one who's never going to go home is Sue.

[00:18:51] So, yeah, if you remove Sue, I don't know if it blows up to who like he's complaining,

[00:18:56] but he's saying it's going to be.

[00:18:57] But I think that it does, you know, give other players an opportunity to go farther in the game.

[00:19:04] That may be a spot that she's holding.

[00:19:06] So to me, I just feel like that Kyle was the person that it would have been more straightforward to get people on,

[00:19:13] considering that he has won those first three immunities and he came in second in this one.

[00:19:17] It's like, hey, he's vulnerable.

[00:19:19] This is the easy decision to make.

[00:19:22] And I don't know if it's like the easy decision was just not that appetizing for people.

[00:19:27] But I do wonder if maybe had they been gunning for Kyle,

[00:19:31] maybe that there would have been a little bit more momentum to take out Kyle instead of Sue.

[00:19:36] Yeah, I will say it is.

[00:19:38] It is a little shocking that Kyle does not get targeted the second that he loses immunity.

[00:19:43] But I mean, maybe that just is where people are viewing Kyle as like a like a singular challenge threat

[00:19:50] and maybe not like a winning threat.

[00:19:52] I don't know.

[00:19:53] And I think for Tuku.

[00:19:55] Just yeah, it's definitely the easy vote.

[00:19:57] But I think that this cast is a cast of gamers and overthinkers and players,

[00:20:03] which is is so much fun to watch, but results in something like this.

[00:20:08] And I think probably I would assume that Sam and other players like that are potentially happy with somebody like Kyle,

[00:20:17] who is a bigger threat, blah, blah, blah, being a shield of some sort moving forward.

[00:20:22] I feel like every immunity challenge has been fairly physical up to this point.

[00:20:28] If you're a betting person, you might bet that there's puzzles coming.

[00:20:31] Do we think Kyle's going to win all the puzzles?

[00:20:35] I don't know.

[00:20:36] We'll see if Kyle can win puzzles.

[00:20:38] Everyone's screwed.

[00:20:39] But yeah, that could be part of it.

[00:20:42] I don't know if they would have been it would have been cleaner on Kyle.

[00:20:45] But I think I like Sam's logic.

[00:20:47] Yeah, this was an interesting episode in terms of the way it was structured, that it was everybody get into pairs and then go through this.

[00:20:56] And then we ended up having a lot of stuff going on.

[00:20:58] The first four people out of the challenge were going to lose their votes.

[00:21:04] Now, I was not following the tweets or the blue skies in the real time,

[00:21:10] but I'm sure people were losing their minds when they said four people were going to lose their vote tonight.

[00:21:18] Yeah.

[00:21:18] I mean, I hate lost votes at the final 10.

[00:21:22] Doesn't go well for me.

[00:21:23] Doesn't go well for my buddy Saul here.

[00:21:27] Yeah, I'm happy that it ended up being won.

[00:21:30] Well, in the case of Saul, I really don't think that the lost vote had anything to do with.

[00:21:34] I actually think it would have made, if someone else lost the vote,

[00:21:38] it would have been even more clear what would have happened.

[00:21:41] I mean, I think it's fun that the challenge, like sometimes these tiered challenges, it's like,

[00:21:46] okay, you move on to the next round.

[00:21:48] It's nice that each stage of the challenge has...

[00:21:50] It's not my favorite thing in the world.

[00:21:51] So they have stakes here, you know, like there is stakes to each challenge part, which is nice.

[00:21:55] There's a lot going on.

[00:21:57] But it is hard to keep track.

[00:21:58] Yeah, hard to keep track.

[00:21:59] And then ultimately, we have the four people win reward.

[00:22:03] Gabe ends up winning the individual immunity.

[00:22:07] And you were a fan of the Ray Lewis sack dance.

[00:22:11] Yeah, you know, what does Gabe do for the Ravens?

[00:22:16] He does radio.

[00:22:17] I don't think he does anything for them.

[00:22:19] Oh.

[00:22:19] I think he does.

[00:22:20] I think he's like a radio host.

[00:22:22] Yeah.

[00:22:23] Gabe, the dance, I think it's so nice to shout out your hometown.

[00:22:27] But, you know, I don't know if we're going to see Gabe on Dancing with the Stars.

[00:22:30] He's got the dance moves for radio.

[00:22:34] But, you know.

[00:22:36] That's going to be my new go-to gif.

[00:22:38] Gabe dancing.

[00:22:40] Yeah.

[00:22:40] I mean, Ray Lewis is a deep cut.

[00:22:42] So he's showing his knowledge there.

[00:22:44] Mm-hmm.

[00:22:44] Yeah.

[00:22:45] Very interesting.

[00:22:46] Star of CBS's own Beyond the Edge.

[00:22:50] I have a question for you, Ross.

[00:22:51] Yes.

[00:22:51] Yes.

[00:22:52] If you won immunity and you had to do a dance.

[00:22:56] Yes.

[00:22:57] Yeah.

[00:22:57] Just like Gabe.

[00:22:58] What dance would you do?

[00:23:00] The Carlton.

[00:23:02] Okay.

[00:23:03] Nice.

[00:23:04] It's not unusual for me to win immunity.

[00:23:08] You would sing as well.

[00:23:09] You would just take it one step up.

[00:23:11] I was going right into the song.

[00:23:12] And it's parody.

[00:23:13] So they could use it.

[00:23:14] Perfect.

[00:23:14] They could use it.

[00:23:15] Exactly.

[00:23:15] Not the first time I sang on the show, you know.

[00:23:18] Anyway.

[00:23:19] So then following all of that, we had four people who lost their votes.

[00:23:25] Tell me, this is hot take alert.

[00:23:29] Should I hide under the desk?

[00:23:30] I kind of liked how they determined who lost a vote.

[00:23:37] You mean the Jenga thing?

[00:23:39] Yeah.

[00:23:39] I didn't hate it.

[00:23:41] I kind of like it.

[00:23:42] It was all right.

[00:24:00] Like do an extremely difficult math equation.

[00:24:03] And here they're like stack some, stack some things, stack some cards.

[00:24:08] Yeah.

[00:24:09] But I, it was tense.

[00:24:10] I liked it.

[00:24:12] It was tense.

[00:24:13] And you know what?

[00:24:13] Last week I tweeted about Caroline being the world's greatest cheerleader.

[00:24:20] You know, if Sue finds an idol, she's happy for her.

[00:24:24] If Genevieve has a good strategic idea, she's happy for her.

[00:24:28] When Rachel puts down that magnetic block, she's happy for her.

[00:24:33] She's like epic.

[00:24:35] And then she's like, oh, I lost my vote.

[00:24:37] I mean, Caroline, she stays, she's like, what do they say?

[00:24:41] I'm Big Brother Team Fun Feeds, right?

[00:24:43] She's like there for the good time.

[00:24:45] She's happy that it's the most interesting outcome.

[00:24:47] Yeah.

[00:24:49] So I really, I kind of like to say that this was fun.

[00:24:52] It would be, I think also interesting if they ended up doing this like again in the future,

[00:24:58] if it was like a game that was like a little bit more of like a strategy type game where it's like,

[00:25:05] okay, who am I trying to box out?

[00:25:07] Where it's like, okay, of the four people here, like who am I trying to?

[00:25:12] Like they've done that before where it's like, okay, step on a tile, turn it over.

[00:25:16] And you can sort of like try to be like targeting like one person.

[00:25:19] Somebody, yeah.

[00:25:20] Might be interesting to see the four people who potentially losing their vote.

[00:25:23] Like they have to show their hand.

[00:25:26] Who are they trying to get to not have a vote?

[00:25:29] Yes, I love that.

[00:25:30] That's so fun.

[00:25:31] It's like a little bit of a vote before the vote.

[00:25:32] It's like, oh, like, hey, hey, hey, I lost my vote.

[00:25:36] Let me just say Andy was gunning really hard to try to make me not have a vote tonight.

[00:25:41] Oh, yeah.

[00:25:41] I love that.

[00:25:42] That is super fun.

[00:25:43] You know, it's kind of like, I think people really enjoyed the, um, the, the McMaria and

[00:25:49] Jelinski, like that type of journey.

[00:25:51] Yeah.

[00:25:51] Um, it has the kind of the same vein as that, or like, if you've seen the anonymous with

[00:25:56] the box game, like something like that would be very, would be very fun.

[00:26:01] I think you love that.

[00:26:03] Yeah.

[00:26:04] Can I play reverse Jenga with regular Jenga blocks?

[00:26:08] I think they're a little hardy, you know, like, I don't think anyone's going to screw

[00:26:14] it up to build, you know, to build you.

[00:26:17] If I'm building triangles with the regular Jenga blocks on their side, you could.

[00:26:22] Yeah.

[00:26:22] I think those were, I think the survivor ones were skinnier, making it, they were skinnier.

[00:26:26] They were harder, but you know, I'm playing with kids.

[00:26:29] For two hours, you know, yeah.

[00:26:32] Yeah.

[00:26:34] So I thought that that was a fun way to do it.

[00:26:38] Did you feel like that having somebody lose their vote ended up, um, being, uh, fun or

[00:26:47] not fun for the players who are trying to plan about, like, do you like having the players

[00:26:52] all separated when there is a blind side to potentially be planning?

[00:26:58] This is hard.

[00:26:59] And they also don't know how many votes are going to be in the, to be able to do it.

[00:27:03] This is hard now.

[00:27:04] I feel like if I had never played survivor, I think the outcome that happened, which was

[00:27:09] Caroline losing her vote was objectively the most interesting outcome because otherwise

[00:27:13] like this Saul blindside goes ahead without a hitch.

[00:27:17] You don't need to involve Gata and then done.

[00:27:20] So this is the most interesting outcome as a, as a player.

[00:27:23] I, I don't love it because, you know, I feel like you, the point of survivor a little bit

[00:27:30] is to like, uh, you know, build your social capital, like use the time you have to create

[00:27:35] these alliances, create these even like just social bonds and even not alliances that allow

[00:27:40] you to, you know, spend it like currency with votes.

[00:27:44] And so when you were taking that away, especially at a final 10, it is a little bit of a bummer

[00:27:49] because you go from needing so much more of a majority than that.

[00:27:52] And then you lose the possibility for like a tie vote, which I think is also kind of,

[00:27:57] we already had one, I guess maybe Jeff is satisfied, but you know, you lose that possibility too.

[00:28:03] So I, I think lost votes are here, whether we like it or not.

[00:28:08] I definitely prefer, I prefer it in the pre-merge versus emerge.

[00:28:13] I think it's so critical there.

[00:28:14] And I, I think it's fun when like, you know, I, you know, we, we talked about this last

[00:28:19] time I was on your show too, the whole, like lose your vote, your ally goes home and, and

[00:28:24] using shot in the darks in a creative way, which Rachel did here.

[00:28:27] Like if the players themselves want to give themselves a lost vote, like that's more interesting

[00:28:32] than like it being assigned to them.

[00:28:34] Do you know what I'm saying?

[00:28:36] Yeah.

[00:28:37] I also think that the show got a little lucky here in that it could have been a very straightforward

[00:28:43] Sam goes home vote.

[00:28:45] I mean, and that's what one of the groups had decided to do.

[00:28:48] Had it not been for Genevieve wanting to do something like a little bit more interesting.

[00:28:53] And I think that you see that, and this is something that we talk about a lot with big

[00:28:56] brother of like the more like twisty things get players are looking to do sort of like the

[00:29:01] simpler, easier plan that's going to be easier to execute.

[00:29:05] And I think it's sort of like a lot of times where it's like the players have a day where

[00:29:09] it's like, oh, there's nothing going on today.

[00:29:10] Like it's very boring.

[00:29:12] That tends to be like when the days that we have like the big blind sides where it's like,

[00:29:17] okay, you know, cues, the obvious vote today is the obvious thing is happening.

[00:29:23] And Tiffany goes home, you know?

[00:29:24] So I think that they got lucky that Genevieve was so ambitious to potentially try this.

[00:29:31] When there was a lot of uncertainty that this was going to be able to be pulled off.

[00:29:35] No, I completely agree.

[00:29:37] And I think, you know, I am like sympathetic to needing to introduce new elements into the

[00:29:43] game.

[00:29:43] Like I like some twists and stuff, but I think like this is sort of like when I think about

[00:29:48] like people's criticism of like Survivor 43, like people, them playing too safe as someone

[00:29:54] who went to pregame of Survivor 43, having watched Survivor 41 and 42 and a half after watching

[00:29:59] the rest of previous Survivor, I was like, well, what the hell is going on?

[00:30:03] Like this is absolute insanity.

[00:30:05] So I think that does, yeah, maybe behoove a little bit more safer gameplay when you're

[00:30:10] feeling like you can't always rely on even having your vote.

[00:30:16] You know, you can argue that it makes you have to be like the ultimate adaptability person,

[00:30:20] the person who has the most options.

[00:30:22] I think that motivated me to play an option based game because I never knew what was going

[00:30:27] to happen.

[00:30:29] But yeah, you know, I don't I was a little screwed by the lost votes.

[00:30:33] I don't I don't love it.

[00:30:36] Yeah, I think that with, you know, the one loss, but I don't want to trivialize like one

[00:30:42] lost vote, but I think that the players thought that there were potentially could have been

[00:30:45] four lost votes at the Struggle Council.

[00:30:47] Like so it's very hard for them to plan what they're able to do and be able to pull off

[00:30:53] like a bigger move when they really don't know how many votes are going to be in play.

[00:30:57] I was having that thought of like if Genevieve wants to do this, like I mean, it's so hard

[00:31:05] in the scramble to not just jump in and do the thing you want to do.

[00:31:08] But maybe was the right move for her to like pump the brakes until she knew who had a vote

[00:31:14] or not or could maybe try to figure it out because the scramble was scrambly as hell

[00:31:19] anyway at the end.

[00:31:20] Like maybe if you wait just a bit to know what where is it going?

[00:31:24] Like you're like, is this something I can actually pull off easily?

[00:31:27] Because if Caroline had a vote, I feel like this that's an easy thing.

[00:31:30] It was ambitious for sure.

[00:31:32] The only thing I'll say and look, Genevieve is super fun to watch on the season.

[00:31:38] And kind of like that Sue and rightfully so.

[00:31:42] It kind of felt like that Sue was would have been very up for voting out Kyle also when

[00:31:48] Genevieve first talked about it.

[00:31:49] Well, now we know Sue is is has a lot of pent up energy for Kyle.

[00:31:56] Yeah, I think any honestly, I think the two coos were all pretty ready to vote out Kyle.

[00:32:02] So, yeah, right.

[00:32:04] Like that is interesting because Genevieve somehow convinced them all to not do it, which is impressive feat.

[00:32:11] But, yeah, I think at this point, like Kyle survived a lot and he survived one tribal.

[00:32:20] I don't know how many more he has in the tank if he's not.

[00:32:25] Yeah.

[00:32:25] So let's circle back to Rachel and really, you know, Rachel and Andy and Sam were sort of at the beginning of this episode,

[00:32:32] sort of like coming off of that last episode where they ended up being going through the blind side of Sierra,

[00:32:40] who, like yourself, succumbed to the margarita curse.

[00:32:44] Oh, my God.

[00:32:46] I didn't what's in the margarita.

[00:32:48] Let me tell you, not a lot of tequila.

[00:32:50] I felt nothing.

[00:32:52] So I don't know.

[00:32:54] Well, I guess if anyone goes on Survivor again, don't buy the margarita or don't drink it.

[00:32:59] I don't know.

[00:33:00] That's my that's my official advice.

[00:33:02] Maybe just like if you get the margarita, like, hey, I want to pour one out for all the margarita curse people.

[00:33:07] I want to pour it out for Kelly and the bandy in.

[00:33:10] I would love that.

[00:33:12] Oh, perfect.

[00:33:13] Jeffra.

[00:33:15] Jeffra, of course.

[00:33:17] Yeah.

[00:33:17] So when Rachel confirms for us, she played the shot in the dark to get the read on the room.

[00:33:28] Oh, yeah.

[00:33:30] We love it.

[00:33:31] I mean, everyone loves that.

[00:33:33] Yes.

[00:33:33] I was just live tweeting.

[00:33:36] Not blue sky.

[00:33:38] Now I'm blue sky away.

[00:33:39] Last episode, you know, wasn't the best week.

[00:33:42] And that was my favorite.

[00:33:43] That was my high of the week was Rachel doing that.

[00:33:45] Um, and I'm sure that we have given her many accolades, many deserved accolades over the last week.

[00:33:51] She won a fishing.

[00:33:52] It's nice to hear it confirmed.

[00:33:54] I think it's so interesting in general.

[00:33:56] I was wondering if she even took it a step further and was thinking like, well, wouldn't it be fine and dandy if no one even knows where I would have voted?

[00:34:05] And so now I haven't screwed over anybody.

[00:34:08] And now that Genevieve coming to me with this plan, or as I may have voted against her last time, but now I didn't even vote.

[00:34:16] So no one can really.

[00:34:17] Oh, poor me on the bottom.

[00:34:20] She's appreciated that.

[00:34:21] Rachel said, yeah, I that's a you give me a little too much credit.

[00:34:25] Yeah, that was very.

[00:34:26] Yeah.

[00:34:26] What a humble queen.

[00:34:28] But I mean, yeah, I a lot of other survivors was that.

[00:34:31] Yes.

[00:34:31] Yes.

[00:34:32] All of the things.

[00:34:33] Yes.

[00:34:33] Like everything.

[00:34:34] So great.

[00:34:35] Yeah.

[00:34:35] She's very honest.

[00:34:36] And we love that about her.

[00:34:38] But yeah, I really found I love the I know the conversation between Rachel and Andy was very long, but I thought it was so interesting.

[00:34:46] Clearly, these are two integral players to the story, I think, given the time that they got there.

[00:34:53] But I thought it was just so interesting because for me, like when I came into play Survivor, I viewed I feel like I viewed the game like both Andy and Rachel did, which was like.

[00:35:04] Like, even if you screw me over or even if it makes sense in the future, we can work together.

[00:35:11] And I think a lot of players in the new era are like this.

[00:35:14] But for me, a surprising many are not.

[00:35:18] So for Andy and Rachel to find each other in this way, I thought was so fascinating.

[00:35:23] I think it's great when you have two players like this come together.

[00:35:27] I'm really looking forward to how this plays out in the future because it didn't really play out in this episode.

[00:35:32] So I have to assume maybe next episode or something there is this has an important piece of it.

[00:35:37] But, yeah, I think this was a great a great for both Andy and Rachel, how they were speaking about it and how they looked at the game.

[00:35:46] Really just super fun and interesting for me, like kind of my favorite type of strategic thought there.

[00:35:51] Yeah, it's interesting for the two of them because that they've never really directly targeted each other.

[00:35:58] I guess Rachel was ready to vote out Andy when on the Annika vote.

[00:36:02] But, you know, it's it wasn't like she was driving it herself.

[00:36:07] She felt like it was sort of like the status quo, essentially.

[00:36:10] Right. She thought that the whole tribe was doing it.

[00:36:13] And so it's going to be very interesting to see if these two are going to be able to work together and really where this is all going to go next.

[00:36:22] Yeah, this I think like I would feel like we'll see.

[00:36:25] But I think 47 is so far has been very fluid, like a little more like voting blocks, like the alliances aren't set.

[00:36:35] And so, you know, this isn't there is no like before like steamroll in the game as much.

[00:36:39] You know, it's it's I think it's going to be really interesting.

[00:36:43] And, you know, I don't think I don't know.

[00:36:45] You think you're going to argue to who is that?

[00:36:47] Well, I'm going to ask. So, you know, is this that different than Survivor 45 where?

[00:36:54] OK, so the re before, you know, look, we know we see Sue doesn't like Kyle.

[00:36:59] OK, but they're still together.

[00:37:02] They're still voting together.

[00:37:04] They're still there is.

[00:37:06] Could that be a smokescreen for like, oh, they're not getting along.

[00:37:09] We don't need to worry about breaking them up.

[00:37:11] Meanwhile, the other two tribes are just picking each other off.

[00:37:15] Yeah, I mean, that would be great.

[00:37:16] That would be amazing if that worked out.

[00:37:19] But I think I don't know.

[00:37:21] Sue seems pretty pissed at Kyle, which I'm I'm not really sure why, to be honest.

[00:37:27] But I mean, I guess we'll see.

[00:37:29] I think that the only solid group within Tuku is Gabe Caroline.

[00:37:32] So I don't know how much Kyle is in that same pocket.

[00:37:37] I feel like he's the expendable person.

[00:37:38] I think with the re before what's unique about them is like they were they were all extremely loyal to each other.

[00:37:45] And had and continuously proved that.

[00:37:49] And also they they cut their members that they didn't necessarily see as part of their core alliance early on as their smokescreen,

[00:37:58] which I think the Tiana vote looks like it was forced.

[00:38:03] So that I think that makes I don't know, maybe that like removes the like their their fake smokescreen plan.

[00:38:10] Right. Like it's kind of hard for them to like look like they really were going to turn on each other when it seems like they were forced to turn on each other,

[00:38:18] even though there was that fracture with Tiana and Gabe.

[00:38:20] Like at the end of the day, they were going to probably vote on Rachel.

[00:38:22] So now people don't have that same viewpoint that like what Reba did well, which was sort of like, hey, look at us.

[00:38:29] We're voting out Sifu and J Maya.

[00:38:31] See, we're not that close.

[00:38:33] Whereas like Tuku, it's like, yeah, we were forced to.

[00:38:36] Kelly, as somebody who was on the outside of that, how obvious was it to you as somebody who was not in that alliance that, OK, these four are definitely together?

[00:38:50] I think like I want to give them credit.

[00:38:54] I think that there was I think it was more obvious that there were that like Julie and D were very close and Austin and Drew were close versus the four of them being as cohesive as they were.

[00:39:05] And so myself, I was always focused on like, OK, the new era like this doesn't work.

[00:39:13] No tribe, original tribe sticks together till the end.

[00:39:16] Like they're going to turn on each other at some point.

[00:39:19] My tribe's a mess.

[00:39:20] Lulu's a mess, of course.

[00:39:22] Reba's a mess.

[00:39:23] And it just it didn't end up being the case.

[00:39:25] I think the dream scenario, if you're playing is to be in a Reba four situation.

[00:39:29] I do think it is a little bit rare.

[00:39:31] But yeah, they they were they were sneaky.

[00:39:34] But at the end of the day, as we got farther in.

[00:39:38] Yes, people kind of eventually picked up on it, but it didn't matter.

[00:39:41] To go back to Genevieve, it does seem like that Genevieve is trying to worm her way into being with the Tukus, which you would think is not that great of a position for her.

[00:39:54] You know, it's one thing if she's bringing in Saul, she's bringing in teeny.

[00:39:58] But she doesn't really seem to want to work too closely with those other players.

[00:40:04] What do you think her endgame plan is?

[00:40:08] Yeah.

[00:40:11] I don't know.

[00:40:12] I mean, now that you're saying that, right, like if she does get in with the Tukus and they are about to fracture against Kyle and she just showed this loyalty to them by by orchestrating a vote against her own alliance member.

[00:40:27] Yeah, maybe that works.

[00:40:29] Maybe there is a path forward there for her.

[00:40:31] Right.

[00:40:31] Maybe the end with Caroline and Sue.

[00:40:35] That's what I was.

[00:40:36] That was what I was.

[00:40:36] Gabe's final three.

[00:40:38] Yeah, I would think that they would, you know, I think Gabe is sort of the the obvious strategic player of the Tukus.

[00:40:45] So he, you know, that's someone who eventually would probably be like the final boss snipe.

[00:40:52] Right.

[00:40:52] Like six, the Drew Basile spot or something like that.

[00:40:56] Right.

[00:40:57] Yeah, I guess that could work.

[00:40:58] But I think Caroline is a good player and is a riskier player to bring to the end than maybe her theoretical other situation with Solentini or, you know, Tini and Sue or something like that.

[00:41:11] I don't know.

[00:41:12] Yeah.

[00:41:12] You mentioned Gabe going in the Drew Basile spot.

[00:41:16] I think what I'd like is for Drew Basile to learn the Ray Lewis sack dance for next time he goes back on Jeopardy.

[00:41:24] Have you ever seen Drew Basile in the pigeon in the pigeon in the pigeon mask?

[00:41:30] The pigeon mask.

[00:41:32] No.

[00:41:32] Oh, this is you want to know nightmare fuel.

[00:41:35] Yeah, it was it was it was honestly so hilarious.

[00:41:38] And Drew surprised me very much with a very funny pigeon mask dance.

[00:41:44] I think Drew would probably be a hit in the Ray Lewis.

[00:41:48] I don't know if he went I don't think he likes a raven.

[00:41:51] So it's from Detroit Lions.

[00:41:54] I don't know.

[00:41:55] Yeah.

[00:41:56] Yeah.

[00:41:56] I would love to see that.

[00:41:57] Who do you think?

[00:41:58] I don't know who would be the best dancer.

[00:42:02] Sifu says it's nightmare fuel for sure.

[00:42:05] Star of Sifu Games.

[00:42:06] Sifu did the dance on the barge.

[00:42:10] He didn't mean pre-immunity win or anything.

[00:42:12] He was already dancing.

[00:42:13] So what were you going to ask?

[00:42:16] Who do I think?

[00:42:16] What?

[00:42:18] I think I was going to ask who do I think on this cast?

[00:42:21] Not that we don't think Gabe did a wonderful dance.

[00:42:24] Who would do the best dance?

[00:42:27] Hmm.

[00:42:28] Of this cast?

[00:42:29] Mm hmm.

[00:42:30] Who would like really send it?

[00:42:32] Hmm.

[00:42:34] Sue did wear Rome's tank top.

[00:42:37] Yeah.

[00:42:37] Maybe she would have brought the lightning.

[00:42:39] Rome was moonwalking.

[00:42:41] True.

[00:42:42] Yeah.

[00:42:43] But OK.

[00:42:43] OK.

[00:42:44] Of who's left?

[00:42:44] Yes.

[00:42:45] Rome would have obviously ate that.

[00:42:46] Right.

[00:42:47] Yeah.

[00:42:48] Clearly.

[00:42:50] How about Teenie?

[00:42:54] I love Teenie this whole episode.

[00:42:57] Of just poor Teenie has taken some L's, you know, in this game.

[00:43:02] But Teenie's eaten so much.

[00:43:04] It's so much.

[00:43:05] I mean, man, I am jealous.

[00:43:07] Are we going to get a rice negotiation this season?

[00:43:12] I don't think they need rice.

[00:43:14] Yeah.

[00:43:15] At this point, they're gaining weight.

[00:43:16] I wonder if maybe that there is so much food rewards that maybe we're not going to get a rice negotiation.

[00:43:22] Yeah.

[00:43:23] They saw Rachel stealing it and they're like no rice for anyone now.

[00:43:27] Yeah.

[00:43:28] Jeff is evil, as we saw.

[00:43:32] But then his little he was like, welcome to my torture chamber when they walked in.

[00:43:38] Do you remember?

[00:43:39] Jeff is really into accents these days.

[00:43:42] Yes.

[00:43:42] Shakespeare in the park.

[00:43:44] So torture chamber.

[00:43:45] OK.

[00:43:46] Sam is sharing a picture of, OK, Drew Bisseel in the pigeon mask.

[00:43:50] OK.

[00:43:50] Homer must have loved this.

[00:43:52] This was, you know, this was Brandon Donlon's idea, as you can see back there in the mother goose costume.

[00:43:57] You got Sabaya in the Tootsie Pop owl.

[00:43:59] And I will say no one knew that Drew was doing this.

[00:44:03] And when he walked out like this.

[00:44:06] Did you know who it was?

[00:44:09] I mean, I think that's unmistakable.

[00:44:13] You know, it wasn't Sifu.

[00:44:15] It wasn't Brando Meyer.

[00:44:17] Is that Jelinski?

[00:44:19] It's Jelinski.

[00:44:21] But yeah, this was so funny.

[00:44:23] I got to give it to Drew.

[00:44:24] That was the hardest I had laughed in many months.

[00:44:26] That was absolutely Jeff's kiss.

[00:44:28] OK.

[00:44:29] And then I want to ask about Sam because Sam really like was very like emotional throughout this whole episode and talking about his position.

[00:44:39] And he said something that I thought was so interesting.

[00:44:42] He talked about how, yeah, he's still in the game, but he didn't want to be one of these people.

[00:44:47] That's just like trying to claw his way through the game.

[00:44:55] Yeah.

[00:44:56] I think that's like sort of like the a little bit of like the new era theme of like not like just big moves, but like you want to feel like people are like seeing and understanding what you're what you're doing so that you can have winning equity.

[00:45:11] And I think that he's I absolutely agree with what he's saying.

[00:45:15] There's not a point to go far in this game if you're not going to win to me.

[00:45:19] And so I think that that's what Sam is saying.

[00:45:22] He's like, yeah, maybe I can be this bottom player and not and be safe the rest of the time because no one's worried about me.

[00:45:30] But like that's not what I want.

[00:45:31] And I know I can't win that way.

[00:45:33] So I think it's great.

[00:45:34] I think it's he's passionate for the game and he's probably, you know, feeling it.

[00:45:38] He lost the era.

[00:45:39] I think it's hard.

[00:45:41] Not that we want to whatever, but like when you are so on top of of your previous tribe and then you come to the merge, you get like severely humbled immediately.

[00:45:50] That's a big pendulum swing to handle emotionally.

[00:45:55] But I think, you know, I love when people care about playing Survivor and want to play hard.

[00:45:59] And I think that that is what's coming through.

[00:46:02] For Sam.

[00:46:03] So I think that's, you know, I think it bodes well for him that that was included.

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[00:47:40] Of course, let me just mention real quick that December 4th, just a couple of weeks from tonight,

[00:47:49] I'm going to be in Houston, Texas for another RHAP live show.

[00:47:54] Yes, you're doing, you're copying my pose?

[00:47:57] Yes, I love it.

[00:47:59] Is that a meme?

[00:48:00] It could be.

[00:48:01] You know, it's going to be a meme.

[00:48:02] Teenie's gif of her.

[00:48:06] That was great.

[00:48:07] Yes.

[00:48:08] Oh, yeah.

[00:48:09] It's already a meme.

[00:48:09] Mike Bloom was using it.

[00:48:10] And if Mike Bloom does something, it's happening.

[00:48:13] Okay.

[00:48:14] Mike Bloom does something.

[00:48:15] It's happening.

[00:48:15] You can call me on that.

[00:48:17] And so is our live show in Houston.

[00:48:18] Rob is a website.com slash Houston for tickets.

[00:48:22] Should be a very fun night.

[00:48:24] And you're not going to want to miss that one.

[00:48:27] Okay.

[00:48:28] Let's get into some questions from the listeners.

[00:48:33] And okay.

[00:48:34] All right.

[00:48:35] Um, Sifu says, uh, love Saul.

[00:48:38] Ask her to spell my name.

[00:48:40] Listen, I, I, I finally learned Sifu.

[00:48:44] Yeah.

[00:48:45] You can't forget.

[00:48:46] That was my most memorable moment of my entire survivor career was missed.

[00:48:50] I don't have a pen and paper Sifu, but if I did.

[00:48:54] Sifu's first name.

[00:48:55] Yes.

[00:48:56] Yes.

[00:48:57] Where have you been, Rob?

[00:48:58] Sifu?

[00:48:59] Yes.

[00:48:59] Basically.

[00:49:00] I'm sorry, Kelly.

[00:49:01] I didn't memorize every single vote in the history of the show.

[00:49:05] You memorized how to say my last name, but not that I wrote Sifu.

[00:49:09] I wrote it like S-E-A-F-O-U, which I hate to be replaying again in front of everybody.

[00:49:15] Not my finest moment.

[00:49:17] Um, but the funny thing was that, uh, you know, uh, when the votes were read live, they

[00:49:23] didn't show my vote.

[00:49:25] And I was like, Oh, I'm not going to get, it's going to be fine.

[00:49:29] And then on the show, they showed me immediately roasted.

[00:49:35] Yeah.

[00:49:35] That was rough.

[00:49:36] All right.

[00:49:37] Christian came off of last week's post game show and asked us, uh, what was the bigger

[00:49:42] contributor to the chaos here?

[00:49:44] The lost vote or the fact that four people were away from camp until so late for people

[00:49:49] away from camp.

[00:49:50] So late easily for me, I think.

[00:49:53] Yeah.

[00:49:54] I think it's, it was probably one of these things where, you know, in tracking this and, you

[00:49:59] know, I don't know what it's like to be there, but you know, in tracking, like sort of like

[00:50:03] where it's one day versus two days in these episodes.

[00:50:07] Yeah.

[00:50:07] And this, this one seemed like, uh, this was just 24 hours from when Sierra is blindsided.

[00:50:14] These always seem like that.

[00:50:16] These are the more chaotic votes.

[00:50:18] Yeah, for sure.

[00:50:19] And I think that's just like, um, what they want.

[00:50:22] 16.

[00:50:22] 16.

[00:50:23] Yeah.

[00:50:24] So usually there's a day between every early merge vote, except for one.

[00:50:29] So I guess this is the one where they just went quick, which was like me and Kendra was

[00:50:33] one day too.

[00:50:34] And didn't happen for the rest of them.

[00:50:36] So yeah, that's definitely like a fast turnaround.

[00:50:39] I think that, you know, the producers like, uh, to ensue the most chaos possible.

[00:50:43] And this adds to it.

[00:50:44] Um, I think we said before, like, yeah, if, if Caroline losing her vote was the best scenario

[00:50:50] in terms of lost votes, like if Sam or Rachel, like, or Andy, like, I don't know how much

[00:50:56] just one of them losing the vote, like moves the needle.

[00:50:59] Whereas like Caroline losing her vote, like ended up making the saw blindside, like not

[00:51:04] as clean.

[00:51:05] So I guess there's that argument, but I think four people away from camp so long, like

[00:51:09] that's where you get this whole plan hatching without all the players they're playing.

[00:51:14] And in our season, more than one person could have lost their vote.

[00:51:18] And I think they did.

[00:51:19] I don't really remember, but it was Kendra's vote out.

[00:51:21] They did a similar situation and more than one could have.

[00:51:25] So they could have, they can't even assume that it's only going to be one.

[00:51:27] It could have been all four in theory.

[00:51:29] Yeah.

[00:51:29] I think that they, you were all divided into threes in that, uh, and that, uh, and then

[00:51:37] it was, um, three people.

[00:51:39] Yes, it was, I think it was Austin.

[00:51:41] Yeah.

[00:51:42] And Austin got it.

[00:51:44] But, but he, he told people he didn't have his vote also.

[00:51:47] Yeah.

[00:51:47] So I, that's what I was wondering, like going into this, I was like, were people going to

[00:51:51] lie?

[00:51:51] And Bruce got to eat the chicken with no utensils.

[00:51:54] Yes.

[00:51:55] How could we, you remember that, but you don't remember seafood?

[00:51:57] I mean, that's very memorable.

[00:51:59] Uh, the chicken eating chicken, like Kyle eating chicken, breaking the vegetarian.

[00:52:06] They didn't tell us if Kyle ate the bacon.

[00:52:09] When was, when was, oh, today.

[00:52:12] He got a BLT.

[00:52:13] I don't know why.

[00:52:15] I think he ate the BLT.

[00:52:17] Yeah.

[00:52:18] Whatever.

[00:52:19] I think once, once you break the seal, what is he going to not, not eat the bacon today?

[00:52:24] After he ate the chicken wings yesterday?

[00:52:25] Probably he did.

[00:52:26] Probably he did.

[00:52:26] I don't know.

[00:52:27] I don't know.

[00:52:28] Is bacon like, why were they burping so much?

[00:52:31] I think it was the soda.

[00:52:33] Oh, right.

[00:52:33] Yeah.

[00:52:33] Gabe was like, let me chug soda to compete against Saul in the burping contest.

[00:52:38] Yes.

[00:52:38] He was like, so emasculated that he could not burp as much as Saul.

[00:52:43] I do think that that's why Saul ends up going home that he basically was, you know,

[00:52:49] made Gabe feel like such a little man that he couldn't burp enough.

[00:52:54] You know, you never know what subconsciously plays in people's minds.

[00:52:59] Saul, you flexed too hard on Gabe.

[00:53:00] It might have been the fact that Saul directly said Gabe's name, but it could have been the burp.

[00:53:05] It could have been like, I can't compete with that.

[00:53:07] Can't compete with that.

[00:53:08] I'm only, I'm only half of the man, Saul.

[00:53:11] Did you hear those burps?

[00:53:14] That's how you measure, measure, measure your life.

[00:53:17] Yeah.

[00:53:19] So, you know, it's funny that we're doing the Survivor San Juan del Sur rewatching.

[00:53:24] Josh Wiggler and I, and this past episode that we just watched, episode eight of Survivor San Juan del Sur.

[00:53:31] And I just said to Josh Wiggler on Tuesday, I said, Josh, this, this episode we just watched,

[00:53:36] where Jacqueline is getting really grossed out, living with Alec and Wes and Taco Overload.

[00:53:42] I said, I think this is the episode of Survivor with the most burps and farts in the history of the show.

[00:53:47] And Survivor was like, bet.

[00:53:50] Hold my, hold my root beer.

[00:53:52] This was like boys night, but worse, you know, even more, uh, even more bodily functions.

[00:53:59] You know, I'm a nurse, so I'm used to it.

[00:54:01] But that was, I felt for teeny there.

[00:54:04] Uh, they said something.

[00:54:08] They were like, all I can hear is Gabe, like moaning.

[00:54:11] Yeah.

[00:54:12] Yeah.

[00:54:13] I was like, I was watching it with my kids.

[00:54:14] I'm like, I think this is going to get inappropriate.

[00:54:16] A little inappropriate.

[00:54:17] This is a family show according to Jeff Ropes.

[00:54:19] We went right into the burping after that.

[00:54:22] Oh yes, of course.

[00:54:23] Yeah.

[00:54:23] Actually, kids probably loved that.

[00:54:25] Yes.

[00:54:25] They liked that part.

[00:54:27] They, we didn't have to explain why Gabe is making sensual BLT noises.

[00:54:33] I too, like Gabe did not get a reward or food until day 16.

[00:54:38] So I will say it was a beautiful experience.

[00:54:40] I also had a soda and I somehow resisted the burping urge.

[00:54:44] Okay.

[00:54:45] Belch it with the boys.

[00:54:46] Let's go.

[00:54:47] All right.

[00:54:48] Um, this is a question from glass Nova says Gabe and Kyle were so close to losing the second round.

[00:54:55] How do you think the strategy would have changed if it was teeny Saul, a Genevieve and Sue that went to the picnic together?

[00:55:02] Wow.

[00:55:02] That could have changed everything.

[00:55:04] It could have.

[00:55:05] I do think like my read on Genevieve pitching at the Sue so quickly was like, this was, this was noodling in her head for a while.

[00:55:12] I think she wanted this.

[00:55:14] So I think like she would have, I think like maybe they would have, you know, put a easy name up there like Kyle or Sam and that would have been the agreed.

[00:55:22] And then Genevieve would have, they would have gotten out of the reward and then she would have put on her striped shirt and start working on, working on.

[00:55:30] Yeah.

[00:55:30] But she would have to go faster.

[00:55:33] Faster.

[00:55:34] Yeah.

[00:55:34] You know, but it's okay.

[00:55:36] She has got, you know what I noticed today?

[00:55:37] She has two different red striped shirts.

[00:55:40] She does?

[00:55:41] Yeah.

[00:55:42] Wow.

[00:55:42] I'm pretty sure you can fact check me chat.

[00:55:45] They've already told me I was wrong once.

[00:55:46] So no problem.

[00:55:47] But I think so.

[00:55:49] She's really committed to the Waldo of it all, which I think is great.

[00:55:52] Maybe it's Canadian colors.

[00:55:53] Oh, maybe it's a reference to the Canadian flag.

[00:56:00] Right.

[00:56:01] Yeah.

[00:56:01] Yeah.

[00:56:03] Okay.

[00:56:04] Lorenzo asks, Teenie has been blindsided with Keyshawn, unable to save Sierra and lost Saul.

[00:56:11] Does Teenie have no sway whatsoever?

[00:56:13] Or does the lack of an underdog story from them bode poorly for their chances?

[00:56:20] Hmm.

[00:56:20] Yeah.

[00:56:21] Teenie has not been able to really move the vote in their direction.

[00:56:30] Yeah.

[00:56:31] Even like last week, I would say that from my perspective, the only person who really benefited

[00:56:37] from it being Sierra versus Sam is Andy.

[00:56:40] Otherwise, I was like, I feel like you should probably get Sam here.

[00:56:44] He's he seems like a bigger threat than Sierra.

[00:56:47] Um, so yeah, I think Teenie had the right read and then didn't sort of like push hard,

[00:56:52] which, you know, it's, it's, you don't necessarily want to push hard at like final 11.

[00:56:55] Like it's a little bit nerve wracking.

[00:56:56] Right.

[00:56:57] I don't know.

[00:56:58] Teenie's like, um, like, uh, you know, that song tub thumping.

[00:57:02] Yeah.

[00:57:03] Knocked out.

[00:57:04] Knocked out.

[00:57:04] Knocked out again.

[00:57:05] Yeah.

[00:57:06] I, Teenie, I think next week, Teenie's got out.

[00:57:08] Like also Teenie, uh, drinks a whiskey drink and a vodka drink.

[00:57:13] That's true.

[00:57:14] Yeah.

[00:57:15] They enjoy the survivor social hour of it all.

[00:57:19] Right.

[00:57:19] Yeah.

[00:57:19] Um, I can't believe I'm talking about trouble one bun on here.

[00:57:23] Anyway, I think that.

[00:57:25] Believe it.

[00:57:26] We got to see what happens next week with Teenie.

[00:57:28] This is the time for Teenie to go on the frigging war path.

[00:57:31] Yeah.

[00:57:31] Um, and if they don't do it, then I, I'm not sure what happened.

[00:57:35] So here's a theory for you that we know last episode, Genevieve said, I really want to

[00:57:41] target Rachel.

[00:57:42] And we didn't get to see the decision making for how they picked who was going to go home.

[00:57:48] But we know one thing.

[00:57:49] Saul said, Hey, I worked so hard to save Rachel.

[00:57:53] I'm not letting Rachel go.

[00:57:55] Do you think that potentially there was a little bit of a clash with Genevieve and Saul over

[00:58:00] that Genevieve said, no, the target should be Rachel.

[00:58:03] And that Saul was like, no, no, it can't be Rachel.

[00:58:07] Pick somebody else.

[00:58:08] Not Rachel.

[00:58:09] Possibly.

[00:58:10] I think that like, um, you know, there's people in the game who like want to be in like drivers

[00:58:17] and stuff.

[00:58:18] And so, um, if you feel like someone's threatening dad, you might like, uh, dig your heels in

[00:58:23] a little deeper against that.

[00:58:24] So it could be that kind of situation.

[00:58:26] Right.

[00:58:26] Like, like the burping contest, but a little more subtle.

[00:58:29] Right.

[00:58:30] We're still competing for the, uh, the top dog title there.

[00:58:35] So maybe, maybe that's it.

[00:58:37] Um, I don't know.

[00:58:39] Yeah.

[00:58:39] It's interesting.

[00:58:40] I feel like we see so much of people talking about how Rachel is such a big threat and such

[00:58:45] a problem, whatever.

[00:58:46] Um, but she, she keeps skating by, um, and, but we don't always see why people are saying

[00:58:53] that about her.

[00:58:54] I think maybe a little bit from Andy today when he was like, even despite everything,

[00:58:59] I just like Rachel.

[00:59:01] That is something that you can't learn.

[00:59:04] You can't teach.

[00:59:04] Um, and is special for Rachel, I think.

[00:59:07] Okay.

[00:59:08] Here's a question from Matt says, do you think it got out that Saul was the one who saved

[00:59:12] Rachel and could that have impacted the vote?

[00:59:15] Now remember, Genevieve was also with the group that was one of the people who she knew

[00:59:22] that there could only be one of five other people that were there that day that saved

[00:59:27] Rachel.

[00:59:28] Saul then fought to keep Rachel in the last episode.

[00:59:32] Do you think that Genevieve clocked that Saul saved Rachel and didn't tell her?

[00:59:38] So you're saying your theory is that Genevieve inferred that Saul saved Rachel never got confirmation,

[00:59:44] but is acting as if it's true.

[00:59:47] Yeah, that's possible.

[00:59:48] I will say it is kind of surprising that there was theory.

[00:59:52] I don't want to say that.

[00:59:52] That's, I think that that's definitely what happened.

[00:59:55] Sorry.

[00:59:55] I don't want to assign that to you.

[00:59:57] Um, but it is like, it's kind of funny that that was just dropped.

[01:00:00] Like who gave Rachel this advantage?

[01:00:03] You would think that would be a hot topic of, of, when I talked to Sierra, um, I asked

[01:00:08] her in the exit interview, Sierra, what did you think happened?

[01:00:11] Because you obviously knew you didn't do it.

[01:00:13] You probably assumed that Sam didn't do it.

[01:00:15] She said she thought Andy did it.

[01:00:19] Huh?

[01:00:20] And that's what made her feel like that Andy was still with Gata.

[01:00:24] So that's an interesting theory.

[01:00:27] If maybe Genevieve got confirmation from Andy also, who she was talking to that it wasn't

[01:00:33] Andy, maybe by process of elimination, it was either, it was either going to be, uh, Saul

[01:00:40] or teeny.

[01:00:41] Yeah.

[01:00:42] And Saul was the one really fighting to keep Rachel.

[01:00:45] So I think that's sort of two data points from Genevieve who's trying to get, who wants

[01:00:50] to see Jenna, uh, Rachel go out.

[01:00:51] Does Genevieve want Rachel gone that badly?

[01:00:54] She said in last week's episode, she said that Rachel was the biggest.

[01:00:57] She just brought her in on this vote.

[01:00:59] Well, I think that, uh, she wasn't going home.

[01:01:02] I don't know.

[01:01:03] But she did say last week, she, that Rachel was like the epitome of like the sneaky threat

[01:01:07] that you don't worry about.

[01:01:08] And Carolyn was like, well, you know what?

[01:01:10] That was my idea.

[01:01:11] Mm-hmm.

[01:01:12] Mm-hmm.

[01:01:12] I wanted to do that.

[01:01:13] That's interesting.

[01:01:14] Yeah.

[01:01:15] That would, that would make sense.

[01:01:16] It would kind of, it would kind of fuel the desire for Genevieve to, to flip where like

[01:01:22] right now it feels a little bit out of nowhere.

[01:01:25] Um, which when that happens, I feel like we're usually missing context to be honest.

[01:01:30] Um, when something, cause I think Genevieve like, you know, has been like pretty, I've

[01:01:35] been able to follow her train of thought most of the season.

[01:01:38] I think it may, has made sense, um, what she's done so far.

[01:01:41] So it'll be interesting to hear.

[01:01:42] And then Kyle was like, um, Genevieve, she doesn't seem like the, like a very like, you

[01:01:47] know, big strategist or anything.

[01:01:48] Sweet, sweet Kyle.

[01:01:50] I was like, oh no, that's such a bad read.

[01:01:54] But I love him.

[01:01:56] Everyone loves Kyle.

[01:01:57] Seems like a nice guy.

[01:01:59] All right.

[01:02:00] Fiona wants to know, will Genevieve target Teenie next?

[01:02:05] Huh?

[01:02:06] I guess I would think.

[01:02:09] Hmm.

[01:02:10] It depends on Teenie X, I guess.

[01:02:12] Um, if Teenie can put on some sort of great acting show and be like, it's okay.

[01:02:16] Genevieve.

[01:02:16] She hasn't targeted Teenie yet.

[01:02:19] Yeah.

[01:02:19] And then, you know, that's the last love.

[01:02:22] Oh, right.

[01:02:23] Standing.

[01:02:23] Mm hmm.

[01:02:25] I don't know.

[01:02:26] I feel like, yeah, I feel like before all this, like Genevieve, like Saul and Teenie

[01:02:32] are like working together and Genevieve, I think kind of had Teenie's ear.

[01:02:36] I feel like that's almost two votes for Genevieve.

[01:02:39] Um, so yeah, again, I don't think so.

[01:02:43] I think that would be a waste.

[01:02:44] I don't think so either.

[01:02:45] I don't think anybody's worried about Teenie.

[01:02:47] I would be surprised.

[01:02:48] Yeah.

[01:02:48] I think Teenie is, is okay.

[01:02:50] I mean, not having a lot of agency right now, but is okay.

[01:02:53] Um, which is the time to pop off.

[01:02:57] Yeah.

[01:02:58] Paolo wants to know what happens next week.

[01:03:01] It's four two coos versus five others that can't seem to get their heads together.

[01:03:05] Could the other five come together against the two coo for.

[01:03:09] I think like if Kyle is up for grabs again, I don't know how you don't take that shot.

[01:03:15] You know, like he's not me.

[01:03:17] He probably, I don't know.

[01:03:18] He's won so much like this.

[01:03:20] He's always so tempting.

[01:03:22] Um, yeah.

[01:03:23] I mean, you had Sam is worried about Sue.

[01:03:26] I would think who knows, but I would think that the Genevieve and Rachel, Caroline,

[01:03:32] these type of player are all worried about each other.

[01:03:34] So Caroline, I think could be on the table.

[01:03:37] And then I think Gabe is, you know, I think he, he has a little bit of a larger than life

[01:03:42] presence on here on Mount Rushmore.

[01:03:45] So, uh, there, there's possibility.

[01:03:47] Yeah.

[01:03:47] I think like, like, I don't think it's so much of the five other coming together as like,

[01:03:52] uh, the, the, the two coo writing is a little on the wall here.

[01:03:55] Like they're even imploding in themselves.

[01:03:56] Mm-hmm.

[01:03:58] Yeah.

[01:03:58] Gabe at the tribal council was interesting, uh, that who was he mouthing?

[01:04:03] Like everything is going to be okay.

[01:04:05] It was, was it to Saul?

[01:04:07] Saul or Kyle?

[01:04:09] So, you know, the people that really were on the ends on this were kind of in a bad spot.

[01:04:15] Kelly, how do they decide what seats you sit in at tribal council?

[01:04:20] So they just, they have a chart that they show you, um, and say like, Hey, this is where

[01:04:26] you're sitting.

[01:04:27] So again, this is my conjecture, but I do think that there is a lot of strategy involved in

[01:04:33] putting together these seats.

[01:04:36] Um, I think if you're in the middle, you know, you know, that you are.

[01:04:42] Where do you want to be?

[01:04:43] What's the best seat?

[01:04:45] Here.

[01:04:46] I mean, my seat, I was just going to say my theory is a little blown up by the

[01:04:49] fact that Saul was all the way on the end.

[01:04:51] Cause I do think that like, usually if you're on the ends, like you're not pivotal.

[01:04:55] Um, but it might be like, maybe you're not the one driving the decision.

[01:04:59] I think the people in the middle are often driving the decision.

[01:05:02] So you feel like they sit the people in the middle that are the, have the biggest role

[01:05:07] to play in the tribal council.

[01:05:08] Yes.

[01:05:08] And then sometimes that includes the people who are in the hot seat and sometimes it doesn't.

[01:05:12] Maybe that was just, um, an attempt to try to, uh, get Saul to get up because teeny is

[01:05:19] across the entire way and they want a live tribal.

[01:05:21] So that would make everybody stand up and talk to each other.

[01:05:24] But if you could pick your seat, what seat would you pick at this 10 person tribal council?

[01:05:29] Do you want to be in the middle of everything?

[01:05:31] Do you want to, do you want to be all the way to the side so you could see everything in

[01:05:34] your vision?

[01:05:35] I think like, so there's two rows, right?

[01:05:38] When you're in the front, it's very hard to see what's going on behind you.

[01:05:41] So even though you're getting less FaceTime, I think the back row gives you a little bit

[01:05:46] more visual on everybody.

[01:05:48] At least everyone's body language.

[01:05:50] So maybe back row, not right in the middle, but like, like, uh, yeah, back, like middle

[01:05:54] to one, one side, not too far.

[01:05:57] Yeah.

[01:05:58] Okay.

[01:05:58] I don't know.

[01:05:58] This is ridiculous.

[01:06:00] What do, which is the best seat?

[01:06:02] This is what people are like, oh, survivors who gain body.

[01:06:05] This is what they're talking about.

[01:06:06] We're an hour into the podcast.

[01:06:08] What do you want from us?

[01:06:10] This is a good question.

[01:06:12] It is a good question.

[01:06:14] What's the best seat?

[01:06:15] It is interesting.

[01:06:16] You know, I think it does impact stuff.

[01:06:17] And now I like, I retrospectively, I'm like, oh, I should have frigging known I was going

[01:06:21] home.

[01:06:21] I never sat in the front until that day.

[01:06:25] Yeah.

[01:06:25] So you feel like you sit and then you sit in the front row.

[01:06:29] It's that was the first time I saw.

[01:06:31] So I was all the way in the end.

[01:06:33] He still was in the front.

[01:06:35] Mm hmm.

[01:06:36] Hmm.

[01:06:36] Hmm.

[01:06:37] So so you want to be in the second row, not the front row.

[01:06:41] I think so.

[01:06:42] Okay.

[01:06:42] It might change at different stages of the game, by the way.

[01:06:45] Yeah.

[01:06:46] Yeah.

[01:06:46] Okay.

[01:06:47] I'm going to do a whole I can do a burning questions video on that, Rob.

[01:06:51] Yeah, that'd be great.

[01:06:52] Okay.

[01:06:53] Kelly, anything else on your mind in terms of where we're at in Survivor 47?

[01:06:58] Hmm.

[01:07:00] I don't know.

[01:07:01] I'm ready for the tsunami.

[01:07:04] The tsunami.

[01:07:05] Tsunami.

[01:07:05] It's happening.

[01:07:06] Haven't you seen her tweets?

[01:07:07] The tsunami is coming.

[01:07:08] Is that what she said?

[01:07:10] Yeah.

[01:07:11] She's she's really running with the tsunami of it all.

[01:07:13] I love it.

[01:07:14] I think it's great.

[01:07:15] Very creative.

[01:07:15] Well, I'm really enjoying Survivor 47.

[01:07:17] I think it's been really fun.

[01:07:19] Very strategic.

[01:07:20] Very fluid.

[01:07:21] Was this the best episode of the season?

[01:07:24] Hmm.

[01:07:25] Hmm.

[01:07:26] It's up there.

[01:07:27] I think it was either.

[01:07:29] I think so.

[01:07:29] This or the Kishon blind side.

[01:07:34] Yeah, I enjoyed that one, too.

[01:07:35] This was fun, though.

[01:07:37] I mean, I think like the challenge is a little long and stuff like that.

[01:07:39] Yeah.

[01:07:40] The last like 45 minutes were just like for me.

[01:07:45] That's what I love about Survivor is to watch everyone think through all these things and try to think through what everybody else is going to do.

[01:07:53] So I really, really loved that.

[01:07:55] And I think that this is just like it's so funny how much strategy and thought went into this.

[01:08:00] And then it was like so unbelievably chaotic.

[01:08:03] And I'm not even sure who's is this move is going to be credited to and how it's going to shake out in terms of benefiting people's games or not.

[01:08:12] So very fun.

[01:08:14] Yeah.

[01:08:15] One last thing at the tribal council, Jeff brought up to Caroline.

[01:08:21] Like, hey, Caroline, you lost your vote.

[01:08:23] Like, are you feeling like it could be you tonight?

[01:08:26] I think, Jeff, why would you say that right now?

[01:08:28] I know that was mean.

[01:08:30] Poor Caroline is like, you're making me talk while the whole scramble is going on behind me.

[01:08:34] And she's like being polite and talking to Jeff.

[01:08:38] I think Jeff just wants someone who lost their vote to go home so bad.

[01:08:42] Yeah.

[01:08:43] Has that happened?

[01:08:45] I think that it has happened.

[01:08:47] I think Brad lost his vote.

[01:08:49] But for the most part, in the new era, you lose your vote and you end up being safe.

[01:08:55] Yes.

[01:08:56] You know, we talk about this every time.

[01:08:57] Yeah.

[01:08:58] Every time we're together.

[01:08:59] Don't worry about them.

[01:09:00] They don't even have a vote.

[01:09:02] Don't worry about it.

[01:09:03] I don't know.

[01:09:04] I think it gives you maneuverability moving forward, too, if you can survive.

[01:09:07] Mm hmm.

[01:09:08] Which most you can.

[01:09:10] All right.

[01:09:11] Well, let's talk about what else is coming up, Kelly.

[01:09:14] We've got all of our survivor podcasts coming up this week.

[01:09:18] You're going to want to make sure you're subscribed.

[01:09:20] Go to we know survivor dot com to subscribe for our all survivor podcast feed, including my exit interview with Saul and survivor.

[01:09:30] Know it all is both coming up on Thursday.

[01:09:33] Then Kelly, the wand off is back.

[01:09:40] What?

[01:09:41] What is that?

[01:09:43] The wand off is the world famous survivor song parody contest.

[01:09:49] And once a season.

[01:09:51] It comes out.

[01:09:53] It does.

[01:09:54] We'll have a wand off for survivor 47.

[01:09:57] Seven.

[01:09:58] So wand offers.

[01:10:00] Stop right there and work on a wand off for the weekend of December 9th, 2024.

[01:10:09] So it's going to be fully encompassing the entire season when Josh Wigler joins Chappelle and me on Club Condo that night to listen to all of your song parodies from survivor 47.

[01:10:26] Wow, that's great.

[01:10:27] I can't wait to hear you sing, Rob.

[01:10:29] Well, no, the listeners are going to make their own songs.

[01:10:33] Oh, good.

[01:10:34] Perfect.

[01:10:35] Yeah.

[01:10:35] And they send them in.

[01:10:36] And then, Sam, do we have an email address for any instructions for what to do with those wand offs?

[01:10:43] OK.

[01:10:44] Wand off is a crazy name.

[01:10:46] I love it.

[01:10:47] All right.

[01:10:47] Then check out Dwight Moore had a great blog over on The Confessional.

[01:10:56] That's our RHAP newsletter where reality stars write about topics about the shows that they were on.

[01:11:04] And Dwight had a really opened up, talked about the fear of letting people down, about when you go and you film a show and then people say like, oh, you did the show.

[01:11:16] You must have won.

[01:11:17] But, you know, you didn't.

[01:11:18] What's what is that like for people?

[01:11:20] Dwight talks about that.

[01:11:21] I've never seen anybody write about that before, Kelly.

[01:11:23] I love that.

[01:11:24] I think that that's I mean, I experienced a lot of that.

[01:11:27] I mean, I didn't have to lie about it for so long to most people.

[01:11:30] It's very hard.

[01:11:30] I think I read the article.

[01:11:32] I loved it.

[01:11:33] And I always appreciate vulnerability.

[01:11:35] So.

[01:11:36] Yeah.

[01:11:37] So check that out.

[01:11:37] You can read that for free at reality TV newsletters dot com.

[01:11:42] Then Kelly, do you do the big brother?

[01:11:46] I dabble.

[01:11:47] OK.

[01:11:48] No, I know.

[01:11:48] I know.

[01:11:49] I know.

[01:11:50] Of course, I know who Quinn is.

[01:11:51] Come on.

[01:11:51] Quinn.

[01:11:52] Yes.

[01:11:53] OK.

[01:11:54] A very.

[01:11:54] He's all over.

[01:11:55] Blue sky.

[01:11:56] Yes.

[01:11:57] And Twitter.

[01:11:58] Quinn's big on blue sky.

[01:12:00] No, I don't know.

[01:12:01] I'm just I was just using that as like a euphemism for the formerly disgraced X.

[01:12:05] But yes.

[01:12:07] Yeah.

[01:12:09] So Taryn spoke with Quinn for five hours this week.

[01:12:14] And you can catch that in our big brother podcast feed.

[01:12:18] We know big brother dot com.

[01:12:21] So check that out.

[01:12:22] And plus, Taryn has another deep dive coming with the winner of big brother.

[01:12:27] Big brother.

[01:12:27] Twenty six.

[01:12:28] Chelsea just sat down to talk with Taryn.

[01:12:32] And that deep dive is going to drop on Friday.

[01:12:35] So be on the lookout for that.

[01:12:38] That's all.

[01:12:39] We know big brother dot com.

[01:12:41] On Friday as well.

[01:12:43] I will be talking with our patrons taking their calls.

[01:12:46] I'm sure they'll have a lot to say about this episode.

[01:12:49] We've been going about two, two and a half hours taking patron calls every single week.

[01:12:54] Talking about all of really a lot of great in-depth strategy questions from the patrons.

[01:13:00] You could hear that every week on our patron feed at Rob's website dot com slash patron.

[01:13:05] OK, Kelly, what's coming up for you?

[01:13:08] I'm chilling, you know, chilling, chilling like a villain or not.

[01:13:13] I don't know if anyone would say that about me.

[01:13:15] You know, just hanging out.

[01:13:16] How do villains chill these days?

[01:13:20] Hmm.

[01:13:21] Doing a Ray Lewis dance.

[01:13:24] Yeah.

[01:13:26] Did you think it helped it or hurt it that the necklace fell off during the dance?

[01:13:33] Oh, I think it helped the overall entertainment value of the dance.

[01:13:38] Yes.

[01:13:39] Yes.

[01:13:39] That's my favorite part of Gabe doing the dance.

[01:13:42] And then the necklace like just falls off.

[01:13:44] He was he was.

[01:13:45] He does not stop.

[01:13:46] You know, if you're going to do that, you got to do it.

[01:13:49] You got to do it full throttle.

[01:13:51] Fully committed to it.

[01:13:52] Absolutely.

[01:13:53] Absolutely.

[01:13:54] Incredible job there by Gabe.

[01:13:55] All right.

[01:13:56] But Kelly, thank you again for joining us for this.

[01:14:00] You're such a natural at doing these.

[01:14:03] Oh, thank you so much.

[01:14:05] I love doing it.

[01:14:05] I think it's so fun.

[01:14:06] Mm hmm.

[01:14:07] Kelly, what other reality shows do you watch?

[01:14:10] I watch The Traders.

[01:14:12] Yes.

[01:14:12] I watch I watch the entirety of The Anonymous.

[01:14:16] I don't know if anyone else mentioned it earlier.

[01:14:18] I enjoyed The Anonymous very much.

[01:14:20] I loved it.

[01:14:21] Yeah, I thought it was great.

[01:14:22] Yeah.

[01:14:23] I saw Nina at UNC last week.

[01:14:27] Mm hmm.

[01:14:28] Do you see what I'm about to pull out here?

[01:14:29] No.

[01:14:30] What do you have?

[01:14:32] I want you to know.

[01:14:34] I missed the summit for this.

[01:14:36] So, you know, I.

[01:14:37] I really kept up.

[01:14:39] Uh, for sure.

[01:14:41] Of course.

[01:14:42] Yes.

[01:14:42] Okay.

[01:14:43] I love to watch people cross ravines.

[01:14:46] Um, so anyway, I love the summit.

[01:14:49] I'm going to have to go rewind my TiVo and watch the summit.

[01:14:54] So.

[01:14:54] Yeah.

[01:14:54] Now, Kelly, do you play the guitar?

[01:14:57] Yes, I do.

[01:14:58] Okay.

[01:14:58] Will you make any original song parodies for the wand off coming up in a couple of weeks?

[01:15:06] Oh, wow.

[01:15:07] Um, I could think about it.

[01:15:09] Can I recruit Brandon Donlin to sing?

[01:15:12] Okay.

[01:15:13] Sure.

[01:15:13] Then we could do it.

[01:15:14] Is he a good singer?

[01:15:16] We're going to find out.

[01:15:17] Okay.

[01:15:17] Maybe we could rap.

[01:15:19] I bet he would be an amazing rapper.

[01:15:21] Yes.

[01:15:22] Yeah.

[01:15:22] An homage to Rome.

[01:15:24] Yeah.

[01:15:24] Absolutely.

[01:15:25] Absolutely.

[01:15:26] Okay.

[01:15:27] We'll get that.

[01:15:27] Well, thank you all so much for joining us for this one.

[01:15:31] I'm looking forward to checking out your comments here on YouTube.

[01:15:34] And then on Thursday, I'll be back with Saul and Steven Fishback.

[01:15:38] And we'll see.

[01:15:39] Steven is going to have a real catch 22 as the number one Saul super fan.

[01:15:45] Will he give the fishy to Genevieve for this week's episode?

[01:15:50] Find out when we talk with Steven on Survivor Know-It-All.

[01:15:53] So it's going to be live at 3 p.m. Eastern.

[01:15:55] Take care, everybody.

[01:15:55] Have a good one.

[01:15:56] Bye.