Kelley Wentworth Talks Survivor 50 Ep 9

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[00:01:25] Rob, Sister Nino, back here. And we are so excited because we have a wonderful guest, great friend of the podcast, and I'll say of mine, here with us. It is, of course, the three-time Survivor great. It's Kelly Wentworth. Kelly, how are you? I'm good. Happy to be here. What a fun season to talk about. And we've got a twist. Perfect for us. Yes.

[00:01:52] So many twists to talk about here every week on Survivor 50. Kelly, how are you doing? I'm really good. Thank you. Nothing crazy to report. Just living life, moving back in my house. Long story we don't need to get into, but recovering from a water leak from a long time ago. But I'm good. And water is very triggering for Survivor players because we deal with it on Survivor.

[00:02:18] We shouldn't have to deal with water messing with our stuff in real life. That's correct. Yeah. Why am I dealing with this? It's a great question because life tests us in many ways. Yes. And you know, they say that don't judge us for the moments where we fall. You have to judge us for how we react after the fact, right? I don't have to quote in front of me.

[00:02:48] But that's what Christian is teaching his son. And that's what we have to learn too, Kelly. That's correct. A lot of lessons can be learned on Survivor. Many life lessons. So many lessons. And you, in addition to watching the episodes, you take us through the world of Survivor from your lens on your Instagram. And now, I say Instagram.

[00:03:14] But what is the primary canvas that you are creating for? Is there one? I post to TikTok and to Instagram. I do think I post on TikTok more often just because I feel like on TikTok, you can be a little more spammy. You can post every day and it's not always the same people see it. Whereas on Instagram, I feel like the everyday thing seems like a lot. Although people in my DMs would tell me otherwise, but it's just a psychological thing that I have

[00:03:42] where I just kind of sprinkle onto Instagram. But then people are upset if I'm only gifting TikTok with all of these little nuggets. So then I feel guilty. You gotta share it everywhere. Bringing it to Instagram. But yeah, I do both. Now, when you watch the episodes, is there a lot of pressure on you to figure out like, well, what am I going to make the video about? I have me inspired. Yeah. That's why season 49, there were not a lot of recreations.

[00:04:11] I wasn't inspired. I wasn't feeling it. I'm getting a lot. Yeah. But this season, it's been good. I just posted one about Christian and the Jimmy Fallon because that was a must. And then I feel like Serene, Emily, and the Rice thing. That could be something. See, that's good content. They are giving. They're giving stuff. Coaching the haikus. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I have so many questions and follow-ups about that, but I'm going to resist the temptation

[00:04:39] because I really have a lot of questions about your process. But I think I'm going to save that for later on. I'm going to come back to that if that's okay with you. And I just would love to talk a little bit. If we start with the story of the week, which was Christian ultimately with the Jimmy Fallon twist and ultimately going home. Were you up in arms about this twist? Okay. This is a little complicated. Yeah.

[00:05:08] Because I did not necessarily like the twist. I just in general don't like the celebrities on Survivor because I feel like they were... I know they were trying something new this season and they thought, oh, 50 is the perfect opportunity to bring in celebs and it will add this extra little flair. I just don't think we needed it. I think the people will shine on their own. And so the fact that we are bringing in the celebs is just a little ridiculous to me. Yeah.

[00:05:32] I will say though, I think that Christian had already dug his own grave by talking to Sari and not recognizing that Sari and Ozzy were so close. And so I don't think that this twist helped him by any means, but I don't think I can point to Jimmy Fallon and say he was the reason that Christian went home.

[00:05:51] So I'm kind of two minds of this, but in general, the twist, a little ridiculous because I felt like the upside was not really worth it compared to what he had to do. It was just kind of embarrassing. It was really sad. It's a little sad because the writing was on the wall. It was sad. Yeah. But I agree with you that I have not been a huge hater of this twist because I do kind of feel like that the writing was on the wall for Christian.

[00:06:19] And I think that he was like when he sat down with Stephanie and Jonathan and Joe and they weren't even giving him the time of day that this is not a man who's in a great position. And I think that he was so desperate. That's why he went on the journey. And I think that even if he completed the puzzle and got to put a vote in the urn for Ozzy, I still think Christian goes home. And I think if Ozzy went on the journey and then didn't do the puzzle and there was an Ozzy had to vote for himself.

[00:06:47] I kind of also think Christian was going home. I agree with you. I think that Christian was dead in the water after that conversation with Serene. Yes. Why did that puzzle just sink down like the Titanic? I think I said that over in the chat, BCC. I was like, this is sinking down to greet ghosts from the past. Did they pick that up? Are we just polluting the ocean now because we want to show a cool shot? Every night in my dream.

[00:07:16] I see you. Maybe Christian and Rick Devins are like on the Titanic and Rick Devins is like, I'm the king of the world. And Christian's like, Rick, will you draw me like one of the girls in your paintings, please? So Christian was like Jack. Yeah. Christian. Well, I don't know. Yeah, I guess Christian is like Jack because he died first. Because he drowned. And Rick Devins is like Rose.

[00:07:45] And Rick Devins is like, oh, I have this necklace and it's so valuable. But I'm just going to just throw it away because Christian's not here anymore. I'm going to throw my fake idol into the water. Do you see how well this works? It really does. I had not thought this far. I just was thinking more about the puzzle sinking. You can have this. You can have this. This could be the next video, Kelly. Too late. I just want to see it. I'm not going to take your creative idea. Please.

[00:08:15] I won't do anything else with it. Please. I'll just be so excited that you've brought the vision of this to life. But now I want to see it. Oh, I hope people appreciate it. I hope that they can now visualize the picture that we have painted because I really see it. Yeah. Yeah. And I know I interrupted. You were in the middle of a point and I interrupted you with stupid Titanic jokes. The puzzle going down. You know I'm never serious. Yeah. Rob, I'm not serious. So you can interrupt with funny jokes anytime.

[00:08:45] Okay. That's what I'm here for. If I have a funny one. I'm not a normal guest who's going to give you all the strategic ideas. I'm more of let's just have a giggle about all the ridiculousness that we are watching. So I don't even know what my point was. Yeah. Okay. Well then let's keep going then because I do have a serious question that I do want to ask you. Okay. Because I want to talk about with Rick and Christian.

[00:09:11] And they did this big idol maneuver at the last tribal council. And it was epic and it was exciting to watch. But it was a little bit at what cost. Because they came back and everybody seemed a little annoyed with them. And not so much Christian. It seemed like because I don't even know if that they thought Christian was involved with it. But he's Rick's friend.

[00:09:41] And we're mad at Rick. And you are his friend. And we're mad at you also. And I just was thinking about this idea of trust. And trust being currency. And I do feel like that at that tribal council. I kind of feel like that Rick and to a lesser degree Christian kind of bounced a check at tribal council. Where people were sort of like I don't know if I trust these guys. And now I really don't trust these guys.

[00:10:10] And I think it just made it kind of easy for everybody else to really other them. And I just wonder if do we not pay enough attention to just how much do other people like the group as a whole. How much do they trust you in terms of being the type of person that people can work with on Survivor? Well trust is very important. And we saw it in this episode that we just watched.

[00:10:38] I was a little bit confused about why Jonathan was so upset with Christian. Because I don't remember. Maybe you can refresh my memory. But I'm trying to think back to past episodes of when Christian told Jonathan that he was dedicated to him. Or he was absolutely going to vote with them. Because I always thought that Christian was lumped into this middle people group. So maybe there were some conversations that were had between Jonathan and Christian where it was like hey you're kind of seen as the middle people. But come with us.

[00:11:08] We'll bring you in. I'm just a little curious about what was going on there. Because that seemed to be the whole reason that Jonathan was going against Christian. Because Christian betrayed me. Yes he betrayed him. So I think that it came out of that they were locked together as partners in the duos twist. And at that tribal council I think that everybody was under the working assumption. Okay we're voting for Devens and Aubrey at this tribal council.

[00:11:35] And Sari came back and they were all on board. They were going to then switch the vote to Coach and Chrissy. But when Jonathan was asking Christian. Mr. Christian what are you doing tonight? He said no we're voting for Devens and Aubrey obviously. And then he was telling Stephanie that and he was telling Joe that. But meanwhile that they were all selling them a bill of goods. And they were lying. And they were actually going to vote. I don't know if Christian swore to Jonathan. Hey we're definitely voting.

[00:12:05] Even though it was Sari that was really the person who was the mastermind behind all of it. I think that Rick and Christian especially after the idol came out took all the blame. Right. You know what doesn't help Christian? The fact that he voted out his two David versus Goliath people. Yes. Yeah that was. Because I believe that's haunting him. Because people already were thinking oh he's willing to get rid of people he should be close to. And now he's lying to me and I can't trust him.

[00:12:34] And so I think that's where the Aussie comment about he's a robot in human skin. Which was really weird visual. I think that we're all kind of tracking back to that. And all of these decisions that Christian has made are now catching up to him. Because Rick Stevens was the one who went and got the idol. Which we need to also rewind just for a second.

[00:12:59] Because I just find it so funny that they were all the way on Aubrey's ass about playing that idol because of her bad lie. When that is apparently someone you're working with why would you make them burn their idol? And then karma you turn around and the very next day I'm sure you've talked about this but I have to get it off my chest. The very next day. You're doing new stuff. Because you made her play it. Again even though you're apparently working together.

[00:13:28] Now you are forced to do something else. The only other play you have is to do this eccentric over the top in front of everybody. Make people not feel like they can trust you. Because you don't have another choice in order to save yourself. So I really can't feel sorry for Christian or Rick. Really Rick. Because you did this to yourself. Yeah. Right. If they would have. Aubrey still had the real Billie Eilish boomerang idol.

[00:13:58] And then she could have played it at the duos challenge. Or the duos tribal council. Then nobody would have been blaming Rick for all of that. And setting off the live tribal council. Now I do think that they would still not be in a great position. But maybe it would not be everybody calling for their heads. And even Aubrey is flipping to the other side. Aubrey sees where this is going. Yeah. Because she doesn't want to be lumped in with that.

[00:14:25] You have to see the writing on the wall and say abort mission. Red flag. I need to get out of here. And going to Jonathan was a great idea. Not to jump ahead. But they've just lost two big alliance members. So he's also feeling down in the numbers. Now you're taking two people who are feeling like they don't have anybody. Putting them together. Two people that you wouldn't believe would ever work together. I think it's great. So remind me Kelly. In the Edge of Extinction.

[00:14:53] When there was the big live tribal council. With the pilots and passengers. That. What point was that in the game? Were you still in? Yes. Yes. Okay. And I think of that as being maybe the all-time live tribal council. Maybe outside of where Malcolm got voted out in Game Changers. To me, I think that that was the definition of the live tribal council. It was absolutely live.

[00:15:23] The person that went home, Julia, was never going to go home prior to that live tribal. That was truly a tribal council where everything changed. Yeah. And I don't think there's many other. You could probably count on one hand the number of times that the person who's going home at a tribal council actually did change. Absolutely. The funny thing about that tribal council is that you had one side. It was basically myself or David. So people were telling David me.

[00:15:52] Other people were telling me David because they wanted one of us to go home. And David and Rick were close. And so there were a lot of conversations that were had. I think the tribal council before that was the one where Joe went home or was voted out. Didn't go home. Went to Edge of Extinction because everyone went to Edge of Extinction to join the jury. But there was a lot of mistrust between people. And so that also helped.

[00:16:17] So it's one of those situations where it's just all the pieces falling into place, all the stars aligning in terms of why that tribal council happened. Had Joe not been voted out the night before, there would not have been that mistrust between those alliance members. The funny thing is I knew that something was up that day at camp because people were acting very strange. So I was actually planning to play my idol that night. And then the whole tribal council blew up, truly shifted to Julia. And so then I kept it. And then we know what happened after that. But, you know, we don't need to talk about that. We don't need to talk about that.

[00:16:46] But, yeah, that was truly a live tribal. And it doesn't happen very often. It really doesn't happen very often. And we've talked about this idea that Rick really thrives in chaos. And I thought after going back and watching that, I thought he was really relishing the live tribal council. Because I feel like that when the live tribal council happens, I feel like, and maybe this was the same thing with the pilots and passengers tribal council,

[00:17:11] where in the scrum that breaks out at a live tribal council, I think that he likes being able to point out, oh, see, these people are working with, can't you see now that we've now clearly defined where the alliances are? And I feel like it's something that he wants to have happen, but the other players don't like it. Well, it's because it, he has a way of irking people. Yes. Like, he's almost just poking them.

[00:17:42] And it's true, because that happened in the pilots and passengers one. And that's why Julia got pissed and basically said, Rick, you're just a passenger. Rick, shut the F up. You're such a passenger, Rick. Because he'll just make these little comments. And it's so aggravating in the moment because you are trying to work something out. And instead of him getting together and talking and really trying to work together a plan,

[00:18:08] he is more the person that is almost narrating in a way of like, oh, look what that person's doing to your point. And that is very frustrating when someone is going home and you are trying to actually talk to people about what the plan is. And he's not really contributing to the plan. He's just an outsider provoking in a way. I really have been just thinking about this a lot over the last couple of days, just this idea of trust among the other players.

[00:18:35] And I think that if you imagine that Survivor is an office and in some ways it kind of is like, you know, your office is a little bit like Survivor. But if you imagine, like everybody in the office, it's like, hey, we're all in this together. And yeah, you know, everybody's trying to get ahead. And it's not as cutthroat in your office, hopefully, as it is on Survivor. But then if like certain things happen and you feel like that certain people are trying to do things to either suck up to the boss or like,

[00:19:05] I kind of feel like that there is a little bit of like a group mentality that's like, all right, you're not really part of the group. You're really being a little too much, you know, what's in it for you. You're not really being a great coworker here. And I think it turns people against you. I don't know if that's exactly trust, but I feel like it's like you're not really being part of the team. Right. And I think that goes back to what I'm saying about how he's not in a live tribal council situation like this.

[00:19:34] We don't really see him going into different groups to try and figure out the new plan. He is more of that outsider that is, again, irritating other people that are trying to figure out the plan. And so I don't want to say he's an instigator, but he is definitely the person that is just. Yeah. Dare to irritate. I think the interesting thing about Rick, if you look at his first season, Edge of Extinction, and then you look at this season, there do appear to be a lot of similarities. Yeah.

[00:20:04] In Edge of Extinction, as a jury member, I loved watching Rick because it was exciting. It was like going to the club every night. We're going, what is Rick Devin's going to do? He is going to bring us some excitement. We've been doing nothing all day. I'm here for it. If you're in the game with him, no one was working with him. He was by himself. So the only thing he could do was cause chaos and just be this wild person at Tribal Council.

[00:20:31] Does that not feel like what's starting to happen this season? And it plays so well to the audience. You know, it plays so well. 100%. It plays so well to Jeff. And I think that I, and again, I've not played Survivor in some time. But I think it's the kind of thing where when you're playing to Jeff or playing to the production, I do think it is the kind of things that irks the other players.

[00:20:59] That are like, here he goes again. And the audience loves it. It's a reason why, you know, that he is, you know, a beloved Survivor figure. But I just think it's the type of thing that alienates him from the other players, which is also where, but I think he likes to be there. I don't know if he likes to be there. Maybe he does.

[00:21:23] Because you can't really cause that much chaos and expect people to trust you and expect people to want to work with you. It really just, you can't do both. I mean, look at even someone like Tony. I would argue that, I mean, I can't believe that Tony won twice. But even the way he was chaotic around camp, I wouldn't say he's necessarily making friends, especially in his first season. There were a lot of times where idols did save him and a lot of his antics at Tribal saved him.

[00:21:52] It was, I think, a little bit similar into what Rick does. And so, yes, you're right. As a player, it is annoying. It is so annoying. And you almost just want that person gone because you don't want to be around it anymore because we're all trying to play a game for a million dollars. And this person is just really irritating me. But to your point, as a jury member, as someone watching from the TV, I completely understand why people like to watch Rick.

[00:22:19] I thought about that, too, about the difference between a Tony and a Rick where Tony has gone on to win and won convincingly in the second time that he played. I wonder if it's a little bit more that Tony is a little bit more of that he really rides for his people. If you remember back to Tony in his first season, he had like the top five baby of like, hey, I have my group.

[00:22:46] I'm really going to like and he would be like a little bit of an attack dog for his people to the other group, even though sometimes and then he would like sometimes like burn them. But then like he was really he had Trish or or even Sarah to like clean things up for him. But I think that he had numbers more than Rick seems to have in his survivor group. But like Rick seems that I have one bestie. Yes. Yes.

[00:23:16] No, you're correct. I think there is something in the way Rick plays the game and I'm not trying to bash or anything like that because I am certainly not perfect in Survivor or in life. Right. But I think with Rick, where I think one of his weaknesses becomes very apparent is that he's not really willing to adapt to other people. I think we see it with Joe a lot. Like instead of trying to kind of mend that fence with Joe, it still felt like there was friction there.

[00:23:46] Like he just there's just kind of this attitude of, well, we're not working together. And it seems like you're lying to me and I'm lying to you. And OK, like we're just not just you have to be a little bit softer. I think in Survivor, there's a different way to approach different types of people and personalities. And sometimes I do feel like for Rick, it's his way or the highway. And maybe I'm wrong on that, but that's just with playing with him and also seeing how this season is playing out. I just feel like that is still a thing in his game.

[00:24:15] Yeah, no, I agree with that, especially the the Joe and Rick dynamic. That's been so interesting over the course of the season where I think that their two play styles are just so opposite from each other where that Rick feels stifled by Joe. Joe wants to be such a straight shooter. And I think that Rick likes to always have something up his sleeve to be like, why do I have to tell you what I'm going to do? Why can't I?

[00:24:42] And then I think that Rick felt like, hey, I caught you. You're the person who says your honor and integrity. And then you tried to get me out. And Joe, I think, was being very literal with Rick where he said, hey, I was not going to write your name down. And I think that's what he said to him. I was not going to write your name down. I'm the type of guy if I was going to write your name down, I would have said it that I was going to write your name down.

[00:25:07] I think that Joe was already voting for Coach and Chrissy prior to that tribal council. So I think that he had talked to Tiffany. He had talked to Rizzo. So I think that Joe at that tribal council, he may have been trying to get Rick Devins voted out during the day. But going into that tribal council, I think he was not going to write Rick's name down. And I think that Rick was like, aha, I got you. And Joe's like, dude, I wasn't voting for you. I told you I wasn't voting for you.

[00:25:36] And so it's sort of like Joe in his heart is telling the truth. But I think he's being very specific with his words. Yeah, I also think that Rick sometimes takes things really personally. And in Survivor, you can't do that. I know there was one time on Edge of Extinction where we were clearly going against each other. You know, we were not on the same page. And I think there was a tribal council where he voted for me and I voted for him. And we came back from that tribal council. It may have been the next day. And he was just really upset. He's like, you voted for me.

[00:26:04] And I'm like, but Rick, you voted for me. Like, we're just so clear. We're just it's OK. We're not working with each other, working against each other. Maybe we can get to a place where we're working together. But you can't be mad at me for voting for you when you voted for me. Like it's but there's I think there's a bit of a disconnect there. And so I think that could also be happening a little bit with Joe where let's let's talk about someone to kind of look at who's doing a good job.

[00:26:31] Tiffany, I think, is the opposite of a Rick where she knows she's getting her name written down. She still is willing to talk to people, still willing to have the conversation, still willing to get over it and work with Joe, work with Ozzy. That's just something you have to do in Survivor because everyone is going after everybody potentially at some point. There's only one winner. And I think if we're looking at everybody, Tiffany does the opposite of what someone like Rick does.

[00:26:57] So I know I went a little bit off of the Joe situation, but I do agree that I think that Joe, yes, was saying Rick's name at some point during the day as other names were coming up. But I do believe you're correct that he was already going to write down Christian coach. Well, I think that Tiffany, to your point, has done this the right way in terms of like historically of how you want to play this.

[00:27:22] If you are finding yourself at the bottom on Survivor, where that there is the sort of like Rick scorched earth of like, oh, you think you can get me? Well, like, good luck. And I'm going to find an idol and I'm going to win immunity. And like, you know, in your in your face, you can't get me. But but Tiffany has done historically the thing that I think is the more successful move of on the bottom of it's not necessarily play dead,

[00:27:50] but it's a little bit more of like, how do I rehabilitate my ego or not ego, my reputation where that she was sort of seen as, oh, she's just with D and Camilla. But D and Camilla are gone now. She has nobody. And people are like, I'm going to pick her up. And they love Tiffany. Nobody wanted to write her name down on the vote split because they like her so much. And she's been able to now claw herself back up.

[00:28:14] And I think that outside of Rizzo and Ozzy and Sari, I think she's actually in the best position out of anybody that's left in the game. I think she's in a great position, but it takes a certain kind of person to be able to put your ego aside and say, I know you voted for me. I know your votes could have sent me out of this game, but that's OK because we're playing a game and we're going to move on. And I think that she is really, really good at that.

[00:28:41] And yes, she is now in a good position because she has developed new relationships in a very short amount of time. And I think it's an incredible way to play. And it's not easy to do when you feel wronged by people. But I'm very proud watching her because I think it's really amazing. It's a skill that is required to be a good survivor player a lot of times. So I'm talking to, of course, the great Kelly Wentworth, underdog Wentworth, they call her at times.

[00:29:08] And I'm trying to figure out on a scale of Rick Devins to Tiffany, where do you fit in? I'm thinking about you in Second Chance. And here's, you know, you're somebody who is here on the bottom and playing an idol and to great effect. And where do I put Kelly on that scale? You're asking me to rank myself?

[00:29:34] Not to rank you, but like on the slider of like, you know, there's a big group of people. And they're trying to get you and you're on the bottom. And how do I, and not to say that who you were in Second Chance is who you are, you know, in the Edge of Extinction or beyond. But I feel like you're maybe in the middle. Maybe in the middle.

[00:30:00] I try to just be willing to work with anyone and adapt where I can because we know that Survivor is a game about everyone else. It's about you, but it's more important to understand where other people stand and why they made decisions and how can you help them. I think that's also just this human psychology, just understanding what drives other people, why they made decisions, what's going to make them feel better.

[00:30:28] And that is a lot of what Survivor is. It's just it really is people management at the end of the day. And so I'm probably somewhere in the middle. I definitely can get very upset. But I think when you are in a position with little power, the only thing you can do is say, yes, okay, awesome. How can I work with you? You don't you're not in the position to be making decisions or be acting up. You can't be acting up. You just chill, get in where you fit in.

[00:30:58] And that is that really is how I ended up in the final four of Survivor Cambodia, because I should have been gone after that idol play. You know, but you did a successful idol play. And, you know, I feel like for a second chance, I almost feel like that I was there because I talked to Stephen so many times over the years. I've heard every single one of his stories. And it's something that he says is that after you played the idol, it's like people looked at you differently. And it was like that bought you a lot in terms of doing a successful idol play.

[00:31:25] But what it seems like is that when you dangle the idol and don't play it, people really don't like that. Because at that point, you're just playing in people's face. Yeah. You're kind of making people look dumb, feel dumb. We're all adults here. We all have brains. We're all playing Survivor. No one wants to feel stupid or like. I mean, Rick is playing in their face. I don't know what else to say. It's it's.

[00:31:53] Yeah, I do want to say something funny, though, because I think there was a moment where Rizzo, I think he was talking to Ozzy. I'm not sure. I can't remember now, but they're definitely in a hammock. There's a lot of hammock scenes, a lot of strategy happening at the hammocks this season. But he was sitting there and he was saying, yeah, I can't believe that Rick like just just showing off with that idol. And I'm like, Rizzo, this is rich coming from you, sir. But but sure. OK, I mean, I guess there's a difference. Not really.

[00:32:20] I just thought it was really funny when I was watching because I had to do a little bit of a rewind and then a double take Rizzo. That was the old Riz God. That was a Riz God from two weeks ago. OK, this is a new Riz God. This is a new Riz God. Cinema, baby. This is cinema. This is for the sequel. So I'd love to get your take on Aubrey and her ride so far in season 50.

[00:32:49] And it's been an interesting journey. Also, another person who's been playing from the bottom. And of course, Aubrey historically starts slow and then builds momentum. And now here she is now at the final 10. And she's picked up steam along the way and has officially jumped ship. She's not going to be part of the middle anymore with Rick and Christian and Emily. And it seems like that she's maybe found a new home. I think she's found a new home.

[00:33:19] That's the biggest thing in Survivor is getting through today. That's always been my motto. And maybe that's a little bit of a Sandra Diaz twine mentality of anybody but me because it's the same concept. Just get through today, whatever it takes, because alliances shift, different twists happen, idols are played. And so the biggest thing is getting back to camp and just going to bed and waking up tomorrow and getting back to work. And so I think that Aubrey did have a little bit of a rough go.

[00:33:46] I think that the first tribe she started on just seemed like the personalities were not a match for her. And that happens on Survivor. We've talked about this so many times. Luck is a huge part of every Survivor game down to the tribe that you start on and the people that you're working with from the beginning. So I think that, yes, she had a bit of a rough start.

[00:34:09] The interesting thing about Aubrey that I'm trying to wrap my head around, they have shown different people talking about working with her. Coach, Tiffany, now Jonathan. But in the case of a coach or a Tiffany, we never really saw those relationships turn into anything. So I thought it was interesting that those things were included in the edit because even now we don't really see something with Tiffany and Aubrey.

[00:34:37] But that was a really big moment early in the season when we had the Genevieve piece of it as well. So I'm kind of trying to figure out what that all means. But I do think that she is gaining footing. She's willing to adapt. She's finding a new place. Seize the writing on the wall with Rick. Got to jump ship there. Get out of that. And there is just a skill in understanding where you sit within a tribe.

[00:35:02] And sometimes just being silent and sitting back and letting other people eat each other doesn't make for great TV, but it can get you pretty far. I think it's been a positive in this season. I think that when you have pissed people off, it seems like that then there is a reason to get rid of you. And with so many people, if you weren't giving people a reason to come for you, I feel that you were, for the most part, I think this season, have been safe. Exactly. Yeah.

[00:35:31] I think there are bigger fish to fry, bigger personalities taking over. There are other people that are pissing each other off. And all of a sudden, that's where the finger goes. Or they're, you know, Emily. They're like, we can't. We're sick of her. She's doing too much now. Getting sick of Emily. Yeah. And just one other thing on Aubrey that, you know, everybody told her, hey, Aubrey, enough of this. You got to play that idol. And she did. And I think that maybe that did.

[00:36:00] I thought that that was a bad move. I thought that she should have held on to it and said, like, hey, you guys want to give this idol to Rick Devins? Vote me out tonight. Right. And she didn't go in that direction. She ended up, which would have been maybe more of like a Rick Devins-esque move to say, like, I dare you to vote me out. But she said, hey, this is a scarlet letter around my neck. I don't want this anymore. A scarlet letter is really on your chest, not your neck. And she handed it in. And everyone said, okay, we like Aubrey.

[00:36:29] She does what she was supposed to do. And it seems like that she's backing everybody's good graces. I think that was an awareness thing. I think she looked around. Everyone was telling her to do it. If she doesn't have people on her side, if she's not in a big alliance that is protecting her, she kind of has to. Like, her hands are kind of tied. I agree with you. I would have loved for her to keep it longer. It would have been great for her to use in this situation with Rick.

[00:36:56] But I do wonder, had she kept it and kind of, I guess, lied to them again, and then she plays it to save herself and Rick, are people then pissed off at her? Because, oh, we wanted to get them out, but we couldn't. And now Aubrey's lied to us twice. Now she's saying, well, now instead of Rick being the one that we're targeting, we're going to target Aubrey. So I think it all kind of worked out. It's not a situation you want to be in. There was a conversation about why were people looking at Aubrey and yet it's okay for Rizzo and Ozzy to have their open idols.

[00:37:25] And then there was the small details of, wow, it's because Aubrey did this. And the excuse was ridiculous. She had a bad lie. Was it a bad lie? Absolutely. It was hilarious to watch. I even texted her. I'm like, Aubrey, that was terrible. She's like, I know. She called herself a dumbass. She's like, I'm a dumbass. That was so stupid. I was like thinking. But for everyone to be so mad about that was dumb. Yeah.

[00:37:50] I wonder if part of it was that her idol came from Rick Devins and it was sort of like guilty by association that she's like lumped in with them. Maybe, maybe. But this is a theory I want to throw at you and tell me if you buy into this. I wonder if this season, more than any other season of Survivor, 24 people, 26 days, new era, tribal councils coming fast and furious. I think it's really just about like getting through the news cycle.

[00:38:19] And maybe this is just a new, a different spin on what you were saying about the Sandra of just get through today. But I think that like, okay, everybody's talking about Aubrey. And so she's like, oh, hey, everybody. I'm just going to, I'm giving up my idol. And now, now there's like, okay, now she's like the back of the news cycle. There's some new other thing that everybody has to complain about.

[00:38:39] And so if you could just like, instead of like, okay, well now Christian, who is sort of like top of the news cycle with him and Rick, then on top of that, he goes on the journey. And then he, he's really front and center. He's really, okay. Oh, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Christian's in trouble. Like this just in. Oh, now he's going to get an advantage. You know, and everybody's pissed that how did he get to go get an advantage? And he lied. And now he's saying breaking news. He's also, he wants to vote on Ozzy.

[00:39:08] Like, it's just like that once you're at the top of everybody's attention in this season, I think that you really need to get back down under the radar. There's so many people. Exactly. Yeah. I think that we're saying the same thing here. I completely agree with you. I think the theme of the season is don't be the loudest person in the room. Yeah. Don't be the most annoying person in the room. Don't be the person that is even necessarily making plans unless you're sorry.

[00:39:37] And then you can do and say and vote out and target whoever you want. And no one will look at you. It's unbelievable. But Kelly, she's doing it in such a masterful way of it's just that she's doing it so quietly. And it's like she does it where that she that it's either it's their move or she's like, hey, did you hear about this? Did you hear about that? Did you hear what what Christian wants to do? Did you hear what Emily wants to do?

[00:40:03] You know, she's like, you know, like does it so. The side of the mouth. Yeah. She does it so perfectly where she has has not made a misstep at all this whole season. I completely agree with you.

[00:40:21] It's just funny where someone like Christian throws out a name and comes up with a plan and is completely blind to this idea that Sari and Ozzy are so close, which is going back to what you were saying about how well she is doing. I cannot believe that people do not see the Ozzy and Sari relationship for Christian to come up to her and just so obviously be like, listen, what about Ozzy?

[00:40:48] Because X, Y, Z, even Emily did the same thing. It's it really is incredible. And as a viewer, mind blowing to watch because we are seeing Sari working her craft. She's really got this magic around her and the way that she approaches people and has all of these different alliances. And it's really beautiful. It's so fun. Sari has always been one of my favorites, but I didn't mean to go off on a on a, you know, we all love Sari here type thing or how well she's doing. But back to your original question. Yes.

[00:41:18] I think it's important to almost be the quiet one in the room, which again, doesn't make for good TV, which is why maybe some people we haven't seen as much this season. I think that's becoming more clear. Whereas like the coaches of the world or gosh, Rizzo is getting a lot of screen time. I feel like they really want us to like him. Yes. Is it working? That was not a shady comment. I do like Rizzo, but we do get a lot of content from him.

[00:41:46] I think sometimes I think production is looking to the future and who they, I think Rizzo will play multiple times. I think so too. I think so too. But yeah, I think I really like this idea of you cannot be the center of attention on this season. And we've seen the players who have made themselves the center of attention in coach and Christian and the people where it's like, oh my God. Like, okay, we get like that.

[00:42:10] The group I think has turned on those people as a whole with Rick seemingly not long for this world. And the players that they've gravitated to are the people that are sort of just keeping their head down, minding their own business. And Riz God has done a really good job of doing, of being that person, being very earnest and disarming and saving it for the confessionals.

[00:42:34] So I think that that's a testament to what he's been able to do where he saves, I think, more of his showboatiness for in his confessionals where that's the right way to do it. It is, but I am concerned for him if he gets to the end. Because I think that he is doing a lot in his confessionals, but he's been so attached to Sari. What would he be able to say at the end?

[00:43:02] That's the one concern I would have if he doesn't get that far. You need to stop speaking nonsense. Well, I think, honestly, if he's going to win the game, I think that's what he has to do. But will the jury? I think he has a tough road ahead of him in the final three in any scenario because I think they feel like, who is this guy? Do we even know him? And I was thinking about this before this conversation.

[00:43:29] Did you feel that way in any way when you went to go play in second chance? It was not the most recent season and everybody had seen you play. But did you feel like that a little bit when you came back for second chance? Being the... No, because nobody knew... Nobody... People barely even knew my name. Yeah. They're like, what is this chick doing here? Yeah, but isn't that kind of like Rizzo and Savannah?

[00:43:57] No, completely different. I don't think it's the same at all. Because to be given a spot on Survivor 50 so quickly, you obviously did something in your season. So I think that coming into this season, I actually... I was obviously very vocal about the cast. I did not think they should have put anyone from season 49 on season 50. I think they should have saved them for another season. They were always going to be at a disadvantage. Savannah was at a disadvantage because she came in as a winner.

[00:44:26] A winner that no one had seen, excuse me. And then Rizzo is at a disadvantage because he has done a really good job of getting in with groups and he has a great alliance. But the problem is that he's had to, in my opinion, tame his game a lot. He's had to change a lot from what he did in 49. Because if he came out so strong, people would be like, okay, Russell Hans, bye. You've got... Well, Russell Hans did get very far. But people are smarter now. They know.

[00:44:56] We've got to get rid of him. And so he had to kind of be a little quieter other than in his confessionals. And I think that is going to be a problem for him if he were to get to the end because he had to do that. So in order for him to get further, he had to downplay his Survivor game. But now that's not going to help him at the end. So I just don't think anyone from 49 should have been in 50. I think it was a waste.

[00:45:19] I think he would have done better in another season because now people are very familiar with his game if he goes into another returning player season. I agreed with your opinion. But he has impressed me so much because I really thought that he was going to be the first person who got voted out. And I think that this is not necessarily a winning scenario for him to try to go to the end with Sarri.

[00:45:42] And I am worried for Sarri that he is going to try to, hey, I want to be a legend and he's going to try to do something at some point. I can't see him just being the Riz God and just sitting in the sidecar and just going to the end with Sarri to make his case. But I don't know. Maybe he feels like that, hey, there's a lot of Survivor fans that would just go to the end with Sarri. I know. I see the comments all the time. Yeah.

[00:46:12] And you lose to Sarri. What the hell? I lost to Sarri. Okay. No. I love Sarri. I think she's absolutely amazing. But no. If I run a season with Sarri, there's no chance she even gets close to the end. Final six max. Okay. Now, I know you just spent time with Sarri in real life. Oh. Yes. Yes. I saw the pictures. Blast.

[00:46:41] It was you and Sarri and Parvati and Sandra and, right? Yes. Yes. And you were all on a panel together? Yeah. Correct. Wow. Yeah. I was just a fan. Yes. I was just Rizzo in that situation. I was like, how did I get here? I don't know. But I'm enjoying every second of it. It's amazing. What was the panel on?

[00:47:10] So we went to the Ohio State and we did a panel. The Ohio State. It's the Ohio State. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, that's what they say on football games. When I watch Sunday Night Football, it's like the Ohio State University. The Ohio State. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure. You know, I'm trying to make sure I get it right. And they have a Survivor Club. On the all-star seasons of Survivor, should everybody do their own intros like Sunday Night Football?

[00:47:38] Like Kelly Wentworth, San Juan, Delcer. That would actually be really fun. That'd be really fun. Don't you think? Like, here's it. Let's bring out the Vatu tribe. No, it wouldn't be. It would replace the titles, the main titles that they have now. Like the Ancient Voices. It would be something new. We can't get rid of the opening titles. We had to fight so hard. We've gotten rid of everything else.

[00:48:06] We had to fight so hard to bring them back. Of all the things, that's what you're concerned about? Okay, Rob. Well, we have them. Why do you want to get rid of them again? You brought up this idea of the football intros. It wasn't my idea. I know I like that idea, but I don't want to get rid of the credits. Okay, so we'd have to find a way to do both, which would also be fine. Maybe if it's for the tribe swap, that's how we reveal the new teams. Yeah.

[00:48:36] But I'm sorry. So you went to Ohio State University with the panel. Okay, Ohio State. Yes. Yep. And there is a survivor club there. Very serious survivor club. Do you know that there are survivor clubs across a lot of universities now? That is a thing. That's what the word is. Yeah, because I went to Notre Dame last year, and so I did this this year. And it was really fun. The panel was technically women in Survivor, I believe.

[00:49:04] So we did talk about some kind of like women-specific things, but it was an auditorium of kids who were excited to talk about different things, not even just in Survivor, but just about how things in Survivor apply to life or to school or other decisions you make. And it was wonderful. Yeah. It sounds great. Yeah, it was really cool.

[00:49:28] You had a funny story that you told on ChatBCC this week about your experience with the rice on Survivor. Yes. Yeah. So on San Juan Dostar, I was on the Hunapu tribe. And Missy, Missy and Baylor, the great Missy and Baylor, they'll just show up. They'll just show up. Don't make me get the soundboard out.

[00:50:00] Missy was kind of what happens with rice. And I don't know if you ever experienced this on your seasons because you had rice, right? So I did have rice for a brief while on the All-Stars. And I can tell you my POV on after we hear about Missy. Okay. I can't wait. So it always just kind of ends up that one or two people end up being the chefs, the rice chefs, the connoisseurs, the people who are in charge of making the rice. And on San Juan Dostar, we had rice and beans.

[00:50:31] Wow. Wow. Really feeding us there. And two things happened. Number one, they would always add the salt water to the rice because they wanted the rice to have flavor. It was so salty. Oh, too much. I could not even eat it. It was disgusting. I don't know how people were eating it. Not only that, Missy would make so much rice, double what we just saw Sari making.

[00:50:59] We would not even eat it all. And so do you remember when we ran out of rice because we were making so much? And I think after the season, the other tribe was like, oh, well, it made sense why you guys were winning every challenge because you could literally, and we wouldn't eat once a day, Rob. We were eating twice a day. We maybe were having three meals. And I was one of the people, I was Emily Flippen.

[00:51:28] I said, I think we should ration this because this is supposed to last until the end of the game. And everyone was just like, no, we'll get more or we'll get to the merge or we're not all going to be here anyway. Whatever the excuses were. And I was horrified, mortified, whatever the whole thing. I was just like, oh my God. I remember it's like the cameramen were always, they had the cameras and they were like zooming in on the pot. It was almost overflowing. Wow. Unbelievable.

[00:51:59] That's my story. All right. Yeah. So we got rice in Survivor All-Stars. And, you know, this was something that, and I'm, I think I'm still right, but it did not go over well. I should have just shut up and not, uh, have even made this point. And maybe this like contributed like 1% into the tribe, uh, wanting to vote me out. But I was on the tribe with Amber and Alicia who had played in Australia in the Outback and

[00:52:28] they starved to death in, uh, the Australian Outback. And then they had, they ate their rice and then Jeff had to come and take Colby's Texas flag. And then, you know, uh, take it away just so they could get like a little bit more rice. And Amber was there to the end and we got rice and I'm like, Hey, like we should eat it. We're either going to get swapped. We're going to get voted out. Like, like we'll like, they'll give us more of the merge. Like let's eat.

[00:52:55] And so I'm with Missy, maybe not to that degree, but I stand with Missy. You are Missy Payne. You are giving Missy Payne because those are the exact statements she would make. I don't even know what to say to you, Rob. I'm so disappointed. And here in the, in the new era, I mean, well, how about this? I agree with Sari. I agree with Sari. All right.

[00:53:23] I stand with Sari because it's day 18. You haven't eaten. Just make, make a ton of rice because that there's going to be a breakfast on day 26. Yeah. They have to get the Kelly in your situation. Maybe it was different, but for these people that they have to get through seven more days, like, uh, like half of them are not still going to be around very soon that we're, we're knocking people off left and right. Just eat the fricking. Like what's the worst case scenario?

[00:53:53] Emily flipping. Like you're in the final five. It's like, Oh, I guess we're not going to eat today. Like you're in the final five at that point. Just suck it up. You didn't even have rice a day ago. No, I, okay. I do agree with you. So my story about Missy and San Juan del Sur does not apply to this situation. These are two completely different situations. It's different in 39 days. Because I completely agree with you when it said, it said day 18 and they got that big bag of rice or what? 10 of them left.

[00:54:21] And so they have technically eight more days, right? 18, 19, 20, whatever the math is. Seven, eight days, nine, whatever it is. A little over a week. You're going to be eliminating people. You're still going to be getting rewards. Rewards. And you know what happens? The rewards get better. Yeah. They are supposed to get better. And then to your point, you're right. What if you run out of rice with three days left in the game? Who cares? Who cares? You're going to go to Ponderosa.

[00:54:49] So I am completely aligned with you on this. So, but in the case of our tribe back then in All Stars, I was like, but yeah, but like if we, if we swap, then, then other people are going to eat this rice that like we should, we have it now. We should eat it. And Amber and Alicia were like, oh my God, he's so annoying. We hate him. And so I don't remember pushing back.

[00:55:17] I mean, if it was a big enough argument, like it would have been on the show. Like I was just like, but shouldn't we? They're like, ugh. But that's why rice is so fun. Yeah. And it makes people fight. It makes people fight. Yes, because it makes people fight because people have different opinions about the rations, make about when to eat it, how to cook it. Some people get pissed and the rice is the one thing that they can basically punish the tribe with. Love you, Jutia.

[00:55:45] There are just so many things and conflict that come from the rice and with food in general that we missed out on a great opportunity to have rice in the beginning of season 50. And another reason too that we should have made it was that Sue Hawk wouldn't eat the rice. I love how you are still trying to defend your decision or why you want it. It's just funny that Sue Hawk- Like you had this whole conversation. See, now you sound like Amber and Alicia.

[00:56:12] No, because Rob, I have talked about different things. I'm talking about, you know, why we should have started with the rice. And then the second that there's a pause, you go straight back to, well, no, this is why. I get it. I do understand. No, I just wanted to say that Sue Hawk wouldn't eat the rice because she said in Borneo it made her constipated. That was, that was, oh no, I'm not going to eat it. It's going to be me. Yeah. I have the opposite problem. It's too binding.

[00:56:39] People thought I was looking for idols when really I was just going to do my thing. Can it be both? Yeah. Don't eat the fruit in the first few days if you ever get it. That is always a mistake. Okay. Here's a pivot for you. Okay. This is, uh, I, listen, you've been around these survivor streets for quite some time. And, you know, we've had such an evolution in the social media of a survivor.

[00:57:05] And I think this is a fascinating subject and you're such a big part of the social media scene on survivor. But I am old enough to remember when it used to be called white rice Wednesday, when that the survivors, your season, first season, San Juan del Sur, you, the survivors were not even allowed to be on Twitter. Oh my God. I need to put my hair up for this one. Cause this is, I got stories. Okay.

[00:57:35] I'm not even joking. So yes. The reason that we called it white rice Wednesday is because in San Juan del Sur, we were scolded. We received the threatening email saying, don't you dare post anything that is not approved by us, the social media PR, whoever's running this whole thing. We couldn't even post cast photos of ourselves.

[00:58:04] We couldn't even say the word survivor without getting a letter cease and desist or whatever it's called. We're going to sue you for a million dollars. So that's why our cast came up with this white rice Wednesday to get around it. So imagine my surprise when in the forties and now on season 50, they're doing a whole Q and A. You do whatever you want. You just say whatever you want to. And I don't care. It doesn't bother me.

[00:58:32] I think it's great, but I'm like, damn. Yeah. How, how time times have changed in the past 10 years. Wow. Yeah. Well, Kelly, I guess what annoys me is that I know I have a time limit on these interviews that I have to do at the end of the season, but everybody's like, here's my unedited, uh, unlimited interview with myself. Yeah.

[00:59:01] They make your life harder. You're like, what? What did I do? I wasn't on the season. It wasn't me. Wait. Can we also talk about this season specifically? Sure. A little bit of a change, but same kind of topic. Yeah. Have you seen Gayle King? Yes. Yes. How she asks every person on the jury who they think will be at the end. Mm hmm. I just don't have any words.

[00:59:30] They know who's at the end. They're on the jury. The fact that no one has stopped her yet is crazy because they have to sit there. They're testing their ability to lie. Maybe some of them are telling the truth. I have no idea, but I don't want to know what they say. I turn it off. These things just pop up in my feed and I'm like, oh, what's this interview? Oh, okay. Yeah.

[01:00:00] So she must be stopped. Yeah. I don't even want to see what the answers are. I don't want to know. I'm not going to tell you. But I just, it's just kind of funny to see these things. But yeah, social media has changed. A lot. Has changed a lot. And we're getting the unfiltered. Yeah. Well, you guys had to pay. Stephanie's really vocal too. Yes. That was a lot. I just said one the other day. Why has no one targeted Sari?

[01:00:30] I'm shutting my ears. Yeah. I don't want to know why. Well, now you go on Survivor and now you could just post like, okay, here's what everything I was thinking during this episode. And this happened, this happened, this happened, this happened. And they just, you just get to do whatever. In fairness, when I did the traitors, then I, then again, it was cathartic for me that I

[01:01:00] just like was able to like, but I was only on it for one night. So I don't know. I don't know how I would have handled it if I was there for more than one night. You're right. Because Lisa Rinna was really popping off. They all were. That fueled, that fueled the speculation that Colton and Rob or that Colton knew Rob was a traitor, right? Isn't that what she was saying or that she was kind of speculating that and then everyone latched onto that? Yeah. Yeah.

[01:01:30] I feel like that it was maybe a little bit more Candace was, was saying that. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm mixing people up. I think it was kind of a nothing burger. Listen, fans will jump onto anything. Me included. Yeah. But yes, I've seen a lot on social media. It's, I, it's very shocking sometimes because there is a lot that is being shared.

[01:01:56] And of course we know that this is an edited TV show and a lot happens that we don't see. And so we understand that there's much more to the story. We always evaluate things based on what we've seen on a Wednesday night. And we know that there's more. So it's always funny to see that. Yeah. The stuff that comes out in addition. And we're like, Oh, okay. Got it. Yeah. Is this better? Like, I, it's hard for me to say, like, uh, are we sort of like the older kids that are

[01:02:22] like, you know, Oh, when we were, uh, when we were kids, we were, we had to be home by 10 o'clock. We weren't allowed to have no curfew. I, or like, or are we sort of like, Hey, but like, Hey guys, let's, let's chill a little bit because you're going to, you're spoiling some things and you know, we don't want to, Hey, remember. I don't really care. I think that if you're going to see stuff, you're going to seek it out.

[01:02:49] Uh, should some stuff be kept for after the season? Absolutely. But I understand why people do it at the same time. Yeah. The season's going to be okay before we know it. They, they want people to understand what happened, but I do think there's a happy medium between the two. I honestly think that CBS has just given up. I think they gave up. I do think. We're going to, we're going to sue everybody for $10 million. I do think they gave up.

[01:03:18] I do also wish that people had like a little bit more discretion. That's fair. Yeah. I understand that. Kelly, did you like it when Aubrey brought up war dog at the tribal council at the blood moon? When, uh, she said, Hey, listen, just like war dog said that this, that the, the game is not on trial. You are. It pissed me off then. It pissed me off now. No, I'm just joking.

[01:03:47] But, uh, no, I thought that was cool. Yeah. I thought that was cool to get a war dog, you know, for, for her to shout out war dog. He's, you know, he was tough to play with, but he was a good player. He was memorable. And I think that, that he liked it as well. Yeah. I think that that was the thing that he has become the most famous for with survivor is ultimately that quote.

[01:04:08] I think that he also, uh, played a part with, I went back and I looked at this when Rick was fighting with Joe of, I, I remember that scene where war dog was fighting with Rick. And Rick's thing was like, Hey, like, uh, you're not just going to come over here and war dog me and tell me how to play the game. And Rick doesn't like that. When you tell him how to play.

[01:04:32] You remember that adaptability thing I talked about and that like understanding other people's perspectives and being a little softer. Yep. I would say that in that situation, war dog was the Joe. Okay. So maybe, maybe Rick just always is meant to have a David with him and he's always meant to have a Joe or a war dog. And that this season is Christian and Joe. Yeah.

[01:05:00] I have some questions for you from the audience, Kelly, that I'd love to ask you. I, I, I'd love to talk a little bit more about what you do on a social media. So Mr. Curb your enthusiasm says, ask her to do her favorite impressions from the survivor 50 cast. And you get to play all of the characters and you do sketches and, and you do so much with the costumes for all of the, uh, survivor players.

[01:05:29] And I do. Yeah. Do you, do you work on impressions of them or is it just a vibe? I really don't. So I do not claim to be someone that is good at picking up on people's mannerisms or being able to speak like them. I kind of just flow with what they did in the episode.

[01:05:51] And some people might get an accent sometime if I want to, I do try to, I do try to channel Jeff Probst because he does have a certain way of talking at tribal council. But for the most part, it's really just about the wigs and the looks and having fun with it. That's the most important thing. Because I really, I try to capture voices, but I never put on a costume. See, you're good at the voices.

[01:06:18] If we could combine your voices with my costumes, we would be unstoppable. We really have something. And then I feel like this is cheating that I, that I have puppets also. Your puppets are very cute. I like your puppets. I appreciate that, Kelly. Thank you so much. And, and I, in addition to White Rice Wednesday, I remember they also used to tweet about the new adventures of Laura, which I like that program.

[01:06:47] See, that's really good. Was that the show? The new adventures of Laura? No, I don't know. Right? Wasn't that a, that, because you couldn't, you couldn't tweet about Survivor. So there was like some other show that you, that you all used to. We did? I believe so. What did we say? It was like Dora the Explorer? Like we were like, what did we call it? There was, there was some new show that was on that fall. I think it was called The New Adventures of Laura.

[01:07:16] You're lying. Let me see. Did, did, did, did, did the New Adventures of Laura, if that's the name of the right show, did that come on in the fall of 2014? Back in the archives. And look, that does sound like something we would do though, because we were really irritated. I'm sorry, The Mysteries of Laura was the name of the show, starring Debra Messing, which aired on NBC from 2014 to 2016. God.

[01:07:46] That's so embarrassing. The Mysteries of Laura. You couldn't even say Survivor. Survivor. We, we quite literally could not use the word Survivor in anything. Instagram. Yes. Twitter. Yes. Brandon Donlin is in the chat. He is confirming the Mysteries of Laura. That's amazing. But I would say we were ahead of our time. I mean, we said we were told we could not do this.

[01:08:15] And so we are going to find a way. And then it did kind of become this secret thing where people knew what we were talking about. And it was almost a secret language or code. I think people liked it. We were innovators. Yeah, innovators. You gave us something to talk about. Okay. And then another question for you. So Sarah Rowe 10 says, who's your favorite player to role play as in your reenactments?

[01:08:46] Oh, wow. I will tell you that this season, Christian has been really fun. Really, really fun to do, Christian. Yeah. Because Christian is just so many funny moments. Like, that's what I like. Behind the hammock. So then I use a prop of blinds. It's so ridiculous. And then I'm falling in my backyard. And then he's like, I'm waddling like I poop my pants.

[01:09:11] Anyone that does things that are kind of very animated and funny, like moments, activities, etc. I really enjoy doing. Because I film by myself. I don't have a camera person. I don't. My husband doesn't film me. So I have to try and find ways to do movement. Otherwise, everything is just very me sitting. And so when someone in Survivor is doing things that have movement, it makes it easier for me.

[01:09:40] And I think it's more fun. Yeah. Can I ask you, you put the camera on a tripod and then you're moving. Yeah. That must be so much work. It depends. It depends. Some are more work than others. If I do multiple changes of outfits, yes. But I typically ahead of time know what I want to say and do. And some of them are actually quite quick.

[01:10:03] Others, like I did the Rizzo Charlie one where I said like Rizzo was traumatizing Charlie when he was bringing up Maria. That one took a while just because I did a lot of edits with that. Like I put in clips of Maria and like sounds and the black and white. And that one was really fun though. Yeah. So again, that's why I have to be inspired. Because if I'm not inspired, it's like the work is for nothing. Like I, it's, yeah. But you know what I will say, Rob? Why?

[01:10:31] I don't want to say started a movement or something, but I'm seeing a lot of creators that are doing kind of more humorous skit style survivor stuff. And I love that. Yes. Because I got the idea to do it because I saw people doing skits, reenactments, whatever they were for a lot of like love is blind. A lot of the kind of dating shows. And that's not really something that I do.

[01:11:00] But for reality TV in terms of competition, I wasn't seeing people doing Big Brother or Survivor. So I thought I can do that, but I'll just do it for these competition shows. Yeah. And that's how it all seemed about. And now I'm seeing more people do it. And I love it. I love it. I think it's so fun. I really enjoyed your video where you took on Coach recently. Oh my gosh. I like that one too. Yeah. That was really fun. Yeah. That was really fun.

[01:11:30] I enjoyed that one. I mean, you really had the perfect wig and then you had the feather in the wig. I had to. It was necessary. Yeah. It was necessary. Yeah. Well, and you know, you've seen my Jonathan Muscle suit, right? The new Jonathan Muscle suit. It's very good. The wigs aren't always perfect, but you know, I do my best. I can only buy so many. I can only write off so many wigs. You know what I'm saying?

[01:11:59] My accountant at some point is like, okay, now what are all these wigs for? And I'm like, listen, yeah. Has a survivor ever gotten annoyed with you and your characterization of them that you know of? I'm sure they have. Yeah. But no one has ever said anything. You know what's funny is that every cast is so different.

[01:12:27] So when I started doing them for season 47, unless they were lying to my face, which they could have been. Yeah. They said they loved it. They loved it. Yeah. Sure. 48, didn't hear much. Yeah. 49, didn't do much. 50. I'm just, it's just having fun though. Like, I think when you go on Survivor, what I've learned along the way is that people are going to have good and bad things to say about you.

[01:12:54] If you can laugh at yourself and make humor out of it, it's harder for people to like laugh at you. Yeah. So I try to just kind of like embody that of like, yeah, coach, you're being absolutely ridiculous and you have to know you're being ridiculous. So like, I just want to be ridiculous with you. Like you're, you're out of your mind, but I can be out of my mind too. So let's do it together. I bet the new players are very flattered when that you have taken on something that they're doing and making a video about it.

[01:13:21] I bet they feel like they've made it when that, when, when you do that, maybe the, some of the returning players, uh, like they're like, Hey, come on, knock it off. Maybe. Why have people said things to you? Tell me, give me the tea. No. Well, I just know from me. I know when, uh, people get annoyed with stuff that I do. Oh, I gotcha. But I feel like that, um, that, that probably are excited to be in the video.

[01:13:50] Like if people get mad at me, it's because, Oh, I, I said that they didn't do something good in the game or talked about their movie or something like that. Well, you have said things. I do. I get, I get, I get in trouble sometimes. You know, I'm like Jeff, I deserve it. I deserve all this. I deserve it all. Uh, we didn't even talk about it. I think you try to stay neutral.

[01:14:16] I do think you do a good job of being neutral and being honest and not critiquing so much. I mean, there are certainly podcasts out there that are, that critique. Yeah. It's hard sometimes when, um, you know, I feel sometimes, uh, that I, I never, I never want to go too far with, I mean, on a returning player season. Like I, I'm, I'm close friends with Christian. You know, I've tried not to be like over the top. Oh my, like nobody's allowed.

[01:14:44] You better not say anything bad about Christian in front of me because I'm not going to hear it. You know, but then I also feel like that sometimes like I do wonder like, oh wait, does, is, is a person who's my friend feel like, hey Rob, why aren't you, why aren't you defending me more? Hmm. Interesting. And that's a hard conversation. I also feel like sometimes when people, uh, like already think I don't like them, then if I criticize them that they're like, see, I knew he hates me.

[01:15:15] Oh, do you have an issue with people not liking you? Kelly? Uh, I don't know if we have enough time for this. Are you blacklisted from some people? Like, are you? Oh, I don't know if I'm blacklisted. No, I definitely, I think I definitely, uh, you know, I, it's nice to, it's something that I do struggle with. That's fair. Mm-hmm.

[01:15:45] Hmm. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, no one said anything to me, but I just try to have fun. Um, I did one time, so I, I did one time, um, I did one with Rome. Yes. To go back to this idea of impersonating people. That was when, cause sometimes I'll do, like I'll just, I used to just do the sound. Like if there's certain things, if the sound will make sense, then I'll add it. There's, it just depends. And I did one with him and the puzzle when he was really bad at that puzzle. And then there was another one I was going to do of him.

[01:16:13] And then I saw people were really dogpiling on him. And so I messaged him and said, Hey, I'm, I was thinking about doing another one of you, but if it's like really bad, then I won't. And he was like, honestly, I've been getting like a lot of hate for everything I've done this season. I was like, I'm not, then I won't do the video. So like, I try to be fair. I just want to have fun. I just want to have fun. Trying to have fun. That's it. Okay. Yeah. Sure. You have fun.

[01:16:41] You know, speaking of having fun, we hadn't even talked about Jeff doing the challenge. I wanted to get your opinion on that. Oh yes. Yes. Hey, can I ask you a question? How did Jimmy Fallon get a two for one double whammy? He got the Jeff in the challenge and he got the vote in the arm. He got to take over the episode. This was Jimmy's takeover. Unbelievable. Get ready for a takeover. Remember that? No.

[01:17:13] Big brother 17. Oh, what was it? What was it called? Get ready for a takeover. Oh, I do remember that. Yeah. I just blocked it out of my memory. You're humoring me, but I appreciate it. And so, yeah. So Jimmy Fallon, he asked the people in his audience, they had so much power in the hands of Jimmy Fallon's audience. And should Jeff compete on the show? And they said yes. And now here he is.

[01:17:41] I was fine with this. I had no issue with this. I think the language of it, though, the bet, maybe I was confused. I was confused too at first. If five of you, if five, okay, here's the bet. If five of you beat me, but if I beat only one of you. Yeah. It was confusing.

[01:18:09] I take notes when I watch the episode. I'm like transcribing what happened. I had to go back like two times to get the rules of this down. He's like, all right, Jeff has to beat somebody in the challenge. And then if he loses one person, and it's like, oh, okay, they're going to pick people. And then if any of them get outlasted by him, they lose. Okay, got it. Yeah, I think it was his wording. I think he was overcomplicating it. He was trying to add too much. But I didn't mind it.

[01:18:39] I thought it was good. Yeah, it was fun. I will say, though, that it did a little bit make me miss some parts of the old Jeff probes. Because I even, I wrote them down, the quotes of what he would say to people. He would say to people, now I don't have it. Oh, my nephew could throw further than that. Stop bitching, start throwing. Pathetic. Pathetic. We don't see that from Jeff anymore. No, we don't.

[01:19:06] Now, Kelly, you played in an era in which Spicy Jeff was. And it seems like that that was right around that time of like, there was a lot of clips from like Survivor 24, Survivor 25. You know, we were right in that era. And I was wondering, do you have any moments that you can recall where did Spicy Jeff ever sass you or any of your castmates that you can recall?

[01:19:36] Oh, castmates. Yes. I have multiple stories. Yes. He was very angry with Drew Christie on the challenge that Drew Christie was trying to throw. Yes. On the episode where, did we end up throwing that? Yes. Where Drew Christie got voted out. I think, yeah, and Drew Christie went home. He was so mad. I don't remember why. But Jeremy and I sat and we were on the platform in the water and Jeff was on that same platform.

[01:20:02] And I just remember him yelling and he was just absolutely shit talking, Drew Christie. And then the other thing. Well, they say that that's why he got such a bad edit. That that's not why he got such a bad edit. That was one of the reasons. He, he, he. Drew Christie got a bad edit because at camp, the producers asked him to go for an interview. Yeah. And he was taking a nap.

[01:20:32] And he said, no, not going for an interview. But in other word, maybe not as nicely. And they said, no, Drew, it's not, it's not negotiable. Like we're going for interview. And he was like, no, I'm sleeping. I'm not going. And I remember Jeremy being like, dude, like just go. And he's like, I'm not going. And then that's when Drina was around and Drina didn't like that. Yeah. And so then I think after that is when the decision was made. A, we're not going to pull in for interviews anymore.

[01:21:01] And B, cool. We'll make him look like a fool. So basically I'm a badass. He's a badass. Exactly. Yeah. That's part of being a badass. And then the last example of Jeff. Yeah. That's part of being a badass. Yeah. Just doing whatever you want. Even when you're on a television show that requires you to do certain things. It's a game with production. You got to do it.

[01:21:26] But on season 38, this was not shown because they don't show spicy Jeff, you know, now. Right. We were doing a challenge and Ron and someone else were doing a puzzle and you couldn't lay the puzzle pieces out. There's a certain way you have to do it. And they were not doing what they were instructed to do. And Jeff was screaming, what the F are you doing? Do you want me to stop this challenge? You're so dumb. Effing, effing, effing.

[01:21:55] He curses a lot. And I just remember that. Should they put that in the montage? He was really pissed. He was really pissed because, and I do understand it though. They only run the challenges once. Yeah. And so if you're not following the rules and it's not fair, he does have to kind of call it out. But yeah, he was mad. Yeah. He was extra spicy pepper.

[01:22:19] Have you ever seen the videos where it's like AI and then he's like very like vulgar? Yes. Have I seen them? I direct people to them. I think you say you make them. No, but I should. And it takes you like you have to get through like one or two before you know it's fake. It's like, wait, hold on. Oh yeah.

[01:22:47] Well, some of them sound a lot more believable than others, but there have been a couple. The one, I think one of the very first ones with Angelina. And then he, there was one where he called someone like an old fart or something. I don't know what it was, but it was so funny. Oh my God. Those crack me up every time. Okay. All right. User, uh, X, S, X, S. Okay. Lots of numbers. It says, who would be your top three allies right now?

[01:23:15] If you were on survivor 50, who is a long way of asking, uh, who would you have worked with if you were on the cast of season 50? Well, obviously Aubrey, I would have worked with and I probably would be basic like everyone else and want to work with Sari. I would want the approval of Sari Fields. Of mother. Icon, Icon legend mother. Yes. Um, who from the new school?

[01:23:46] Do I have to? You wouldn't work with anybody from the new era. Well, I would, but I don't think it would be my top priority, but I would probably work with, I've always admired Dee's game. I think she's an incredible winner, incredible player. I have always loved Tiffany. So probably Tiffany. Yeah. Who else? I really did love Camilla on season 48. I didn't think they should have brought her and Kyle back. So probably the girls. Yeah.

[01:24:11] I really feel like that, especially if you were to play again or now, like, I really think that there would be, uh, more Lauren's who would be like, Oh my God, Kelly Wentworth is here. Like, I want to work with her. Maybe, maybe that would be fun. I do love working with the ladies. Yeah, I do. I always do every season. I try. I always try to get that girls' alliance together.

[01:24:40] It's not always easy, but you know, Abby Maria, work with Sierra. What? Why are you laughing? I tamed the dragon. You tamed the dragon. The witches. That is, that is not easy to do. Yeah. Yeah. That's your Daenerys Targaryen. Yes. That's what I'm saying. I do have skills that are, are not talked about enough. Okay. Um, let's see.

[01:25:07] Uh, I don't, I don't want to talk about the boomerang idol. We're, we're, we're still upset with that. We're still upset with that. Yeah. Not, not a word from Miss Billy herself. Mm. Okay. Yeah. How about, yeah. Where's her apology? Okay. Um, Flippy in 86 says, if you were brought back for season 50, uh, who'd you want to work with? Who are the red flags? Anybody, anybody that would be a red flag for you?

[01:25:34] Oh, the season 49 people would have been because we didn't see their season. Probably. That's such a good question. Probably just those two to start. I'd be open. I'm, I'd be open to working with anybody. Okay. Um, how about here's a question I want to ask you.

[01:26:04] Uh, yeah. Uh, MZS is a, who was snubbed for season 50? Why was it Lauren O'Connell? Oh, wow. I love that. It's tough because I think had they done another returning player season prior to now, I do think that Lauren may have received a call, but we're just so far away from season 38.

[01:26:31] So many other players, so many people in the new era that it's really tough, but I think Lauren would be interesting to come back because she played when she was so young. Yeah. She was so young. And so I think coming back now, she'd bring a little something different to the table. I would love to see Lauren back, obviously. Everybody got very excited when Chris Underwood is going to be on the next challenge. Are they? I saw a lot of people. Yeah. He's going to be on the challenge again. People seem excited.

[01:27:01] Oh, well, Chris is very good at these games. Yes. He went on survivor one. He went on the challenge one. He's obviously very, very good. Mm-hmm. Oh, okay. That's cool. I mean, I'm, I don't watch the challenge any longer if I'm being honest with you. I don't watch it either. I used to love it. I used to love it. My husband and I watched the challenge and then it just, it fell off for me. Changed. It's the new era. No, don't watch it. It's the new era. It's the new era.

[01:27:32] What was your favorite part of season 50 so far? Oh, wow. My favorite part of season 50 so far. Well, I did love the Double Duos episode. Mm-hmm. And I made videos on this. I do think it was a bit results-based because of Sari coming back. You said it was the best episode. I think so. Yeah, I think you're right. I thought it was very entertaining from start to finish, the whole thing. Yeah. I know people were like, some people hated the coconuts.

[01:28:02] Some people were saying that Sari cheated on the coconuts. You need to relax. They're like, why is it Exile Island if she doesn't stay there? Did you not listen to the rules? She won. She won. Mm-hmm. She thought through. She tossed those coconuts to get the right one. She came back. She was the queen of the camp. We had the Rick Devins of it all at the Tribal Council. That made for interesting TV. I loved it. Yeah. I will say, I think that the best episode of the season was probably the premiere.

[01:28:32] I think that that was the one. Yeah. I think especially, but I mean, maybe not the third hour, but I just think it was so long. It was so long, but you were so pumped up when you turned it on. And it was like, I feel like that they really got everything right in the beginning. And everybody was so excited and coach and Ozzy. Yeah. You got to see everybody come back. Like, I think it was, I think that if you were, that was, I think the best episode after that. But I think that the first episode was still the best.

[01:29:03] Well, we don't have to agree. We don't have to agree. Okay. And you know, it's, it's so far away now, episode one, that I can't really remember everything that happened. Yeah. So I think if I were to go back and rewatch the season again, but in, in, in recent memory of the past month or so, definitely the best episode. Okay. The blood moon can die and never be seen again. We don't like the blood moon. Okay. No. Okay.

[01:29:27] Speaking of advantages, Lydia Martin wants to ask, what would the Kelly Wentworth advantage be? Hey, it's Kelly Wentworth. And then what comes after that? It has to be something with an idol, right? Kelly Wentworth's advantage. You know what I want them to bring back? What? And this isn't an original advantage. Bring back the night challenge. Yes. That's so fun.

[01:29:55] Or like on Australian Survivor, where they'd go and they'd do the challenge. They vote somebody out and then they're like, and guess what? You're going to the other tribe. One more challenge right now. And someone will be voted out. Like, love that. Start, hide, hide advantages in food again. Um, hide advantages at rewards again. Although I know that there was the whole like Eva, that, that was a whole conspiracy that, that caused a lot of anger. Yeah. Yeah. Why did the thing have to be in her?

[01:30:23] But I think she won the challenge. So I don't know. I mean, I didn't have a problem with it. As many things as I have a problem with, there are many other things I don't. And I, I feel like I think for me, like, I want that little excitement. Like I want, I want to, as a viewer know that it's sitting right there in the guacamole and they have to stick their hand and get it. And how can they do it without, you know, being obvious and getting avocado? Like what, you know, how are they going to get themselves out of that situation? That's what I like. We like that.

[01:30:53] A sticky situation as Baylor Wilson once. Sticky situation. Remember that? Yeah. I do. And you played on Second Chance, which was the original In the Hands of the Fans. Yes. Was that more In the Hands of the Fans than this is? Yes. Yes.

[01:31:18] Choosing a cast is absolutely in the hands of the fans. Yeah. Letting us vote on buff colors and this very broad twist statement, that is not in the hands of the fans. But I do love how Jeff blames us for everything. You don't like it. Don't like it? You voted for it. No, you didn't.

[01:31:47] We have an overwhelming mandate to do dynamic twists here. So this is what the, look, look at me. 63% to be exact. In case you forgot. In case you forgot. Yeah. Okay. Also. Yes. Sometimes Jeff does things for the fans. For the fans. Like doing, participating in the challenge. Correct. Yes. He could do that once every season. That's, that was fine. That was fine. Yep.

[01:32:17] Could you smoke Jeff in any challenges? It would depend on the challenge. Yes. But you would have liked to have been one of the people to trash talk in the challenge. Oh yeah. Yeah. That would have been fun. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Really. I would have liked to have seen Dale Wentworth get the chance to trash talk Jeff. Oh boy. You never know what could be coming out of that mouth.

[01:32:46] Spicy Dale would have come out. Yeah. Okay. And then Drew Norman wants to know, would Kelly have gone on a journey? Would you ever get in that boat? I would get in the boat. But I do want to talk about Christian again really quickly. Please. Because I think that the risk reward for Christian to go on the journey was not worth it at all.

[01:33:13] I think because he was in trouble, we talked about this much earlier on and you said it. Oh, he already thought he was in trouble. So he wanted to go and get an advantage. But there was always the possibility that he would be disadvantaged. And not only that, he's spending precious time away from camp. Like if you're in trouble, you want to be having conversations. You want to know what people are saying about you. You want to figure out a different plan. And when you're gone all day, people can just continue to get that ball rolling on you.

[01:33:40] So then when he comes back and then he's also disadvantaged, I just think it was, I really don't think it was the best gameplay from Christian this episode in a lot of ways. But would I go on a journey? Yes, I would. You would. I would never get on the boat. I would. You couldn't get me to go. Really? Mm-hmm. Scared. I'd be scared. You know, I liked what Q did a couple seasons ago where he said like, hey, let's make an alliance. Let's make a group. And then you have people.

[01:34:10] Like best case scenario is you go and you get something. And then everybody's like, he's got something. He's got something now. We got to get rid of him. He's got something. Or you lose your vote. And people are like, but does he have something? Let's just get rid of them. So it's just like you really just put yourself out there. And you sort of like get that stink on you. And it's hard to get it off. That is very true. I do agree with that. So in the moment, maybe I would make a different decision. But let me put it this way.

[01:34:38] I don't think I would volunteer to go on a journey. But if my name were drawn to do it or if they nominated me to do it, I'd be fine with going. But I think those are two different things. You're brave. I'm trying to think. Even from like to go through all of the winners in the new era, I think only Rachel. And she had such a unique winning story where she had to win a lot of challenges and play idols.

[01:35:06] It has not been the path to win the game, to go on the journeys. I agree with that. Yeah. I agree with that. I would much rather find an idol. Yes. If I had the choice of, oh, would I rather find some sort of idol? Let's bring back idols at the challenges. Yeah. Why not? It was, I mean. That was fun. Why did we abandon that? You know, I feel like, so it was such a hit with you. And then did Jeremy also have to do it one time? And then that was fun.

[01:35:33] And then Troy, they had Troy's Ann do it in Game Changers. Yes. And then I kind of feel like they were like, I don't know if anybody cared. And then they just stopped doing it. But why? I don't know. It's so fun. I don't know. It's better than a bird cage by the water well. Although the Sioux paint. Yeah. You like that one? Loved it. Mm-hmm. Okay. That was so fun. All right. You know, Sue, Sue is someone who appreciated my reenactments. Oh, she did. Yes. She loved them.

[01:36:03] Yes. Or at least she said she did. Did you have a special wig for Sue Smay? Well, she had really light hair. Yes. So I think I just did like a braid or something for her. But did you put like a lot of dirt on your face? Oh, yes. Yeah. In the one, well, the one was the red paint. And then the other one near the end, when she was a character, I put, I think I crushed up Oreos with water and like put them on my face. Wow.

[01:36:32] You were so, to your art that you really put yourself out there. It's art. Yeah. That really is. Okay. And then I have one more question for you from Jay who says, what do you hope that, where do you hope they take things for Survivor 51 and onwards? I've been fascinated by this idea of what is Survivor 51 going to be? And they're very quietly shooting it. It's been almost, there's been no leaks of what Survivor 51 is going to be.

[01:37:02] It could be anything. We could be thrilled or we could be like, really? That's what they came up with? That's what they're doing? You're right. Usually by now we've seen a Redmond release of the names. You're right. They are filming and I have heard nothing. That is, that's an interesting thought. What do they do? They can't just do the new era. It can't be the new era again. What's your hope though? I wish they would go back to a little bit of the old school stuff.

[01:37:32] I think that in the new era we got really gimmicky. We kind of toned it down a bit in the late 40s. Like I really liked 46, 47, 48, whatever. But in the beginning it was. A little too wacky. The hourglass and the, and I really hate, you know, one of my biggest pet peeves. I don't. The merge, not merge. Oh yeah, yeah. Like, oh, we're merging, but actually two tribes. That's not a merge. You gotta earn the merge. Just let them all have the meal. There's something so fun about watching them eat.

[01:38:02] And like they're drinking the rum when they shouldn't. And you're seeing everybody together. And it's all the people. And there's new, new relationships forming and old ones reuniting. I love that. We don't have to be so crazy with the idols. Like we can do some fun things again. I'd love to switch up the challenges a little bit. Like I said, like a night challenge, maybe something at tribal council. Just a few of those older elements. And you know what? Yeah. Let's name the seasons. Name the seasons. I say do themes again.

[01:38:32] Why not? Give us themes. It's not that difficult. Yeah. You can still stay in Fiji. I think the problem is that they want to keep doing three tribes. And it's very hard to do themes with three tribes. I am begging them to do two tribes. Two tribes. I am begging. Yeah. Please. We're tired of three. We're tired. We're tired. There's always a disaster tribe. There's only six people. So then all you need is four. And then the two are on the outs. And it's just like, it's not interesting. Yeah.

[01:39:03] That's my rant. It's a good rant. I'm trying to think if they have ever done a night challenge since second chance when Stephen won reward. No, I don't think so. I think that might be it. And right. He took the I'm trying to remember what happened with Abby that he took the and I bragged early in this podcast that I know all of Stephen's stories that that I think Abby like cut him in the line. Right. And then went in front of him and then took the wrong thing.

[01:39:31] And he was like, and then he read the clue. It was like, you're wrong. That's correct. He was he was probably so, so like bursting inside of like, I get to be right. Yeah. No, I mean, he did. He loves that. And that's when he and that's when he was having he was having his issues with his feet. And then he had the gastro issues before that. So he was really kind of tore up. Going through it. He was going through it. And that was but that was fun because I remember when they when production came.

[01:40:00] And they're like, oh, go check tree mail because they tell you, oh, go, you know, Kelly, take somebody and go check the tree mail. OK, awesome. And I remember was it was getting to be nighttime and there's no tribal council. And they're like, oh, go check the tree mail. Like, oh, go check the tree mail. What's going on? A challenge at night. Yep. Loved it. I have one immunity one time in Survivor and it was at a night challenge.

[01:40:30] So do you want the night challenges back? Sure. Why not? Anything that's different than what we normally do. And would that and would that be difficult? Not I don't. Why would that be any more difficult than any other challenge? I don't know. Maybe a little bit of extra lighting. Well, I don't know. Maybe everybody has like like the crew works like certain hours. You got to throw all the shifts off to like get everybody to go do something at night. OK.

[01:40:59] And I don't know. Maybe the crew is like, hey, we don't want to work at night. We want to like seven o'clock. We want to eat dinner and go to bed. Too bad. You're working on Survivor. Too bad. We need something different. You know, I find that. Can I add one more thing? Yeah. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead first. You go first. I find that like when you tell the workers like, hey, too bad. You just have to do this. They don't like that either. You know, they're mean.

[01:41:28] What are you talking about? OK. Go on. Did I? I feel like I'm missing something. I just like when you when people work for you and you just tell them, they're like, hey, too bad. Just do it. Well, there's a certain way that you would say, hey, the schedule has changed a little bit or this is what this they would know what the shooting schedule looks like for the entire season.

[01:41:56] And they would say, hey, this is the schedule for the entire season. And on this particular date, we are switching up the times that you are working. I don't know. Maybe this is a different reason. Yeah. OK, maybe. But one other thing I want them to bring back, which I know they never will. Different rewards. Like I would love for them to do local stuff again. I would love for them to do a spa day. I would love for them to go on a helicopter somewhere. We I feel like we're missing that sanctuary.

[01:42:27] It makes everything so boring. It's the same thing over and over. Like we get we it doesn't make the episodes different from one another. It all feels like the same thing. So I would love to see that, too. Yeah. OK. The great Kelly Wentworth. Anything else on your mind? You're wearing your Super Bowl 60 sweatshirt. Sweatshirt. Your beloved Seahawks. Did you watch the draft? Oh, did I watch the draft? I did watch the draft. Night one. Last night. Yes.

[01:42:57] Yes. Did you see the Seattle Seahawks pick and the make a wish gentleman? They took it. You know, I think I would like Kelly that you think my attention span is good enough to be sitting there for all the Jets did jump back in and pick 30. I know they took a running back, right? They did. But you missed. There was a make a wish. I think they call him like a make a wish. Yes. I'm not sure the correct terminology, but there was a younger gentleman that was a make a wish person.

[01:43:26] And he came out and his make a wish was to announce the first pick for the Seattle Seahawks in the draft. Yeah. And he came up to the mic and he like grabbed the microphone. I thought he was going to rip it off of the stand. And he said, the world Seattle Seahawks. And he was he was yelling so loud in the microphone. You almost couldn't make out what he was saying. But at the same time, you knew what he was saying. And it was great. Yeah. And I loved that. And it was maybe the best moment of the entire draft. Yes. Did you like the pick?

[01:43:57] Yeah. Well, we lost a running back. Yes. So it makes Super Bowl MVP. Yeah. And he went to Kansas City. Nightmare. Yeah. Listen. You're still in the hangover. Yeah. So you know about nightmares. I know. I know about nightmares. Jets did have three first round picks ultimately by the end of the night. And they have three first round picks next year. It's all happening in the future. In the new era.

[01:44:25] That's what we're calling the Jets future. I'll send my thoughts and prayers. Yeah. You guys will be fine. I think that's what you tell yourselves every season. But it's okay. Well, we're really excited for next year's draft. Next year's draft. Next year's draft. I'm not joking. We have three first round picks and we're going to draft a quarterback next year. This draft's not over yet. I can't. We're going to get a good quarterback next year. You'll see. Okay.

[01:44:57] Oh, my husband did say this was not a good draft class. It was not. Next year, 2027 is going to be a good year for the draft. For sure. Okay. Kelly, anything else you want to tell people about? This was so fun. I really, I really, I love this time tonight. I thought we had some really interesting survivor conversations. A lot of fun. Yeah. We had fun. Isn't that what we always do, Rob? Yes.

[01:45:22] You know when I come on here that I'm never going to be breaking down all the strategic moves. I'm just here for the fun, here for the laughs, to be a little silly. And I love that we get to do that. So thank you for having me as always. It was really fun. It was so fun. This time flew by. And of course, check out everything that Kelly is doing on Instagram and TikTok. Tell me about you. What's Bear Grylls doing with Matthew McConaughey?

[01:45:51] Well, there's a new season of Bear Grylls. Yes. Do you watch Bear Grylls? I don't. But I was watching your videos and I happen to be reading or listening to Matthew McConaughey's autobiography. Oh, really? Yes. Okay, I'm not familiar with that. It's called Green Lines. But I do love some McConaughey. Yes. Okay. Well, you know the concept of Bear Grylls, where he takes his celebrities out into the wild for 48 hours. And so the first one this season was Matthew McConaughey.

[01:46:20] And I'm a Matthew McConaughey fan. And did you know, I think that they ate a reindeer testicle? I didn't know that at all. So does that make you want to watch? Maybe less. Yeah. Well, maybe you'll be into like Tiffany Haddish or Uma Thurman's on there. Who else is on there? MGK? Yes.

[01:46:50] MGK. Yeah. Is on there. You've got a good guest list. Yeah. I think it's a pretty good list this season. Yeah. Pretty good. So yeah. I just always, I do like to see, it's funny to see the celebrities just completely out of their element and like, what the heck? Yeah. The Marshawn Lynch one is probably one of the only ones that I do truly remember. He's got a great episode of Murderville. Do you know what that is? No. Is that a co-colding?

[01:47:16] Will Arnett show on Netflix that the actors don't have the script, but everybody else does. They're sort of like having to improvise what the actors are doing. And he's very funny on that. And you know, I think my nightmare might be is, you know, I end up, I find an advantage and it's like, hey, it's MGK. Here's what we're doing today. I'm like, uh-oh. I know I'm in trouble now.

[01:47:46] MGK. What if MGK replaced Zach Brown? That would have been something. Hey, it's me, Machine Gun Kelly Wentworth. Okay. All right. Thank you all so much. That's what they should have done is a comedy set. They should have done a comedy set instead of a music set. Yes. Okay. And then one plug for me.

[01:48:14] Check out The Tribe and I have spoken that we are so close from where the book is dropping everywhere. May 5th is when the book is coming out. So you can go ahead and get it at robhasabook.com. Available also wherever you get fine books for audiobook. Also, just like, that's why I started listening to the Matthew McConaughey audiobook. I said, who else reads their own audiobook? And yes, you're going to have an unveiling? Yes.

[01:48:44] Look what Kelly Wentworth has. The Tribe has spoken. The Tribe and I have spoken. I haven't started it yet. Don't get me sued. Clearly, the Tribe and I have spoken. Get it correct. Yes. Look at that, Rob. There you go. So put yours back up. Look at us. Yes. Okay. Mine's backwards. No, you're good. It'll look right in real life. It's very nice. Yes. And we have a pre-order bonus for people. I did the ultimate rites of passage.

[01:49:14] 751 tribute to all the people who've ever played Survivor. That's amazing. Yes. Okay. You can see where- I just flipped to a page and it said, Billy Garcia falls in love. Yep. That happens. That happens. Yeah. And read all about Kelly Wentworth. Of course, Wentworth will not count. One of the memorable moments of all time.

[01:49:44] And that is on page- Hold on. Let me flip to it. 160 in your book. Okay. Oh, my gosh. Yes. Oh, wait. You had an advantage. Hey, it's MGK. This is the first time I've opened this book and I feel like it was the right time to do it. Yeah. I think so.

[01:50:12] Everyone that's listening, there is a almost piece of parchment envelope with my name spelled correctly on page 160. That's not for everybody. Not everybody gets one like that. Oh, should I not have said anything? No, well, I was talking to the listeners. Everyone, go check out Robbie's book. Okay. All right. Thank you so much for joining us. Take care, everybody. Have a good one. Bye.