Kaôh F***ing Rong Rewatch Ep 3

[00:00:08] Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Cesternino. We're back here and it is Kaôh F***ing Rong. It's episode three. We're going back and we're talking about Liz Markham taken from us way too soon. And we'll talk about it all here once again with Chappell. Chappell, how are you? I'm still pumped. I'm still happy to be here. Every episode, every day that we do this, I'm kind of like, damn, Co-Rong is kind of good. Co-Fing Rong.

[00:00:38] It's been really, really fun. Really, Debbie was on fire on a night where I was listening to the Know-It-Alls just now. Debbie won the fishy in this night. Yeah, that actually makes sense. This was a big episode for Debbie strategically, but also we got a lot of Debbie sound bites. You know, the Joe, what is it like? Come on, Joe. We have to move! Yeah, let me see. We have to move! I do have the Co-Rong soundboard. Let me see. We have to move with a purpose!

[00:01:07] What's the other one? Total Blindside. Total Blindside. Yep. That was all from the same episode. Let's see. How do I have any Debbie quotes from the- Oh yeah, this is- The bomb doors are open! Prepare to fire! Yep. Yeah, it's a good one. That was from tonight. I have a one Debbie quotes. What does she say? We need to be subversive. We need to implant counterintelligence. We need to move with a purpose, Joe! And we need to do it now!

[00:01:37] Yeah, that was tonight. She's good! This was the- This is the breakout episode of Debbie. We will see Debbie play again, and she's gonna give us more quotes throughout this season and in the future season that she plays too. This might be her best episode of all time. I don't know that. I don't know that, because I don't remember Game Changers vividly. I do know this episode was really good for her, for sure. But what do you remember about Game Changers that was so bad for you? Because I felt like she was in the hub of things at first.

[00:02:04] Maybe in the very beginning. I think she gets very salty with Brad Culpepper at a certain point. I know when Cochran comes, she does light up when Cochran comes. Yeah, she was having a really bad day prior to that. I think the Brad Culpepper stuff really didn't rub her the right way. Yeah. I remember her laughing and crying in the same sentence. So there was a lot of ups and downs for Debbie.

[00:02:27] But I'd be, I don't know, Rob, there might be another, maybe around the merge area where Debbie really emerges. I think she goes a little bit after that, but I'm interested. I'm gonna track it now that you mentioned it. Hey, this could go so well that people are like, hey, do Millennials vs. Gen X next. Do Game Changers. Keep going. It is, Millennials vs. Gen X is the same year, right? Yeah, so this is gonna be on in, we've been talking about, it's the spring of 2016 and then yeah, that was on in the fall.

[00:02:58] Hey, well look, if we're talking about 10 years ago, then I mean it makes total sense to do both of them. Keep it going. Maybe that's what we do, would that make more sense to do in August or would that make more sense to do in January? Oh, that's a good question. Well, I feel like about January, we're probably gonna have the traders to talk about. That's true. Like, it's gotta be a thing. I mean, people are gonna wanna hear your opinions about that for sure. I don't know how many people are gonna be tuning in for the Millennials vs. Gen X stuff. Okay, well we can work that out later on.

[00:03:25] I'm not sure if the traders is on track to record at the same time as it did in the past. So, lots to figure out as we move forward. But let's talk about a big night for the Brains Tribe where this was kind of wacky of that there was Liz and Peter. And as you've been talking about, they had the game in their hands. It was right there. And they decided, you know what? What about Aubrey and Neil? What about them? Shouldn't they go?

[00:03:55] Yeah, I think if I remember correctly, they, Neil and Peter just don't really get along that well. So, the alliance is just built on numbers. It's not built on any like shared, you know, energy. They don't really like each other. So, if Peter and Liz can fake it well enough for Aubrey and Neil to not feel like they're at the bottom, then this is perfect. However, it's very clear that Peter and Liz do not really, you know, mesh well with Aubrey.

[00:04:25] I think Liz says, oh, Aubrey doesn't wanna talk about game at all. It's like, well, somebody's not talking to you about the game. What does that mean? Yeah. And then with Neil, we never see him talking to them at all. So, yeah, I just imagine that they took their feet off the gas on the social side of things, and then they just let their brain do whatever it wanted to do. Look, Chappelle, correct me if I'm wrong, that we never see any sort of like on-screen confrontation between Peter and Neil. Until we get at tribal council, then it seems like it's getting testy.

[00:04:50] But it just seemed like that maybe there was off-camera reasons where, if anything, we saw Liz isn't getting along with Joe. Liz and Peter are making fun of Debbie and Joe. And then they're like, but what about Aubrey and Neil? Yeah. Yeah. Well, Peter and Liz's issue is that they are so arrogant in these episodes. Like, this is, first of all, it's amazing that it's not Peter who goes here because the quotes that we get from him and Liz just are screaming, vote this man out.

[00:05:19] Vote him out, then vote her out. Vote her out first if you want to, but it's the sexier move is to vote him out. I've been going back and forth in my mind about this, and I actually think they landed on the right move. Not so much strategically because I think they were always right about that. I think that you keep Peter in the game so that you can look at his smug face the next day because these quotes are crazy. Debbie doesn't have the drive. Joe is just a soldier who will follow whatever direction that we have.

[00:05:43] They call themselves the bosses and then, what is it? Liz says the long-term game is good for them. Losing right now is good for these two. Debbie and Joe just have to write down whatever name we tell them. They don't have to think about anything. Imagine being on a brain tribe and saying two of the people don't have to think. That's their whole MO. Yeah. They'll do the thinking for them. Doesn't he also say one about how, like, you know, Liz and I, we're not just smart, but we also have nice smiles. No, no, no. We're good people and we also have good smiles, but the people need paternal direction.

[00:06:11] And I'm daddy, daddy Peter. And I'm here to give these grown ass people a father figure to look up to. I was like, vote this man out right now or don't vote him out. It was wild. Look at how crazy he looks the next day. Yeah. And it was very convoluted like what they were planning. And, you know, Liz is a planner. We know she's like really, she's an intellectual and that they have this plan of they're going to do a two, two, two split vote on at the first tribal council that they go to.

[00:06:41] Where they're going to put two votes on Neil and Debbie and Joe are going to put two votes on Aubrey. And it doesn't matter who Neil and Aubrey vote for, because then on the re-vote, they're going to ultimately take out. I'm not sure if Neil was their ultimate target or Aubrey. Yes, he was. So they're going to take out Neil on the re-vote. Instead, they go to Joe and Debbie and tell them about this great plan. And Joe and Debbie are like, OK, bet. Hey, Aubrey and Neil, guess what?

[00:07:12] That, yeah. That Peter and Liz are trying to vote you out and we're all going to vote. We're going to vote them out and we're going to do a two, two, two against them. There's no bond here between these people. So they just like I think Liz thought her and Debbie were pretty close, but she just has a fundamental misunderstanding of who Debbie is with her being like Debbie doesn't want to make moves. No, that's not the same Debbie. Everything Liz is saying about herself.

[00:07:39] Debbie is saying to us in confessionals that she knows that Liz thinks those things about herself. She's like Liz thinks she's smarter than everybody. Cut to Liz. I'm smarter than everybody. Liz, Liz is arrogant. Cut to Liz. Joe and Debbie can't hang with us in this game. Me and Peter are running everything. She calls her prima donna. Debbie has Liz clocked and Liz has no clue who Debbie is. Also, Aubrey has had it with Peter. We don't see a ton of Aubrey in this episode, but we are starting to see Aubrey.

[00:08:06] And I think that this is a theme of Aubrey on Survivor talking about emotional intelligence. And I think that it is something that follows her across the first seasons. And she's talking about here with Peter and Peter is somebody who is an emergency room doctor, somebody who is used to giving out orders and people following them. And Aubrey has kind of had it with this guy.

[00:08:30] Yeah, he tells her who to vote for, not really giving her any say so in the matter and just kind of just dictates what the plan is. And Aubrey does not like that. But you're right about Aubrey and the emotional attachments. You know, in this moment, Peter is not able to do that. But we see that again with Aubrey, you know, in this most recent season, the survivor when she goes to talk to Genevieve. She's like, nope, this ain't it. You know, like we see her very quickly being like, nah, I mean, we're sizing each other up. Like Aubrey's read of that situation was so intense, but she's seen it before.

[00:08:59] She's seen somebody trying to placate her and give her the fake plan. She played four times by the time she got to Survivor 50. And I think a lot of that starts here with the way Peter was talking to her. She's like, I just don't like this. It doesn't feel like a collaborative effort. We don't feel like we're aligned. Just like what it feels like we're like you want to be in alliance with me, but we don't we don't feel in sync. And so she goes to complain to Debbie, who has been actively trying to recruit her and Neil. So it worked out. She just played her right into her hands.

[00:09:25] Let's talk about the tribal council because it really does unfold. It gets again. We out here and go wrong. Do we need all this heat? I guess so. And I don't remember where things are on the soundboard here. We're in the middle of the world. Listen, we don't need no more heat, baby. We do. We do. And so at tribal council, it really got hot between Peter and Neil and that they were talking to fighting about like whose plan they were going to go with.

[00:09:54] Well, everybody's playing coy because that's what you do at tribal council. You double talk. It's theater. We all know that you come in. You lead certain people to think of them so they'll play their idol, whatever. For some reason, Peter is just like, nah, this is the plan. Like there's a moment where Neil says, well, maybe the plan isn't the plan that you think it is. And Peter is just like, well, it's not your plan. And I'm like, all right. Okay, cool. If you thought Neil had an idol, he's definitely going to play it.

[00:10:21] And so maybe that means Aubrey's going to go home at this point in their minds. But I remember in the exit press that you did with Liz Markham, she said she didn't feel good coming into tribal council. And she was talking to Peter like, Peter, I don't think they're with us. And he still did this. Yeah. She said at tribal council though, that the person going home today, I think is going to be relatively surprised. Yeah. Was she doing that herself? I mean, she was shocked. At least.

[00:10:48] I mean, cause I think she thought, okay, at the very least, if they're going to take out somebody, Peter's a jerk. They'll get him. Because, you know, we don't really see any tension with Liz and anybody else, except for Joe. They don't get along, but she was thirsty and hot. So I'll give her a pass for that one. But if I'm her and I'm trying to reason this out, I'm like, okay, you could keep the tribe strong. You could save me. We're probably going to swap soon. And you'll like me a little bit better. So I think she was pretty blindsided by this for sure. Yeah.

[00:11:17] Aubrey's first tribal council in this episode. Yeah. And she's doing the Aubrey thing. She sounds very measured at tribal council talking about, you know, the alliances and who's working with who, you know, like she's, she's like seeds of what Aubrey will grow to be with all of us. All the metaphors and things of that nature. Did she give an analogy at tribal council and her tribal council number one? I don't think so. I don't think not number one, but I think she's going to establish herself as a go-to gal. Go-to gal. I think it's coming. Yeah. And Jeff's going to start going to Aubrey for some sound bites soon.

[00:11:45] You know, we think of this as the Michelle and Aubrey season, but combined that maybe do they have like two, three confessionals total between the two of them through three episodes? Aubrey had a panic attack in episode one, which made her the center of that moment. And then she went to tribal council this episode. Michelle has not been to tribal council. And it's very clear because we have not got a Michelle confessional, I think in two episodes. I don't think since the premiere, we've heard her voice.

[00:12:11] Uh, I think there was a split second this episode where she was talking about how sad she was for Ty, but I mean, it's quick. Mm hmm. Very quick. So yeah, we're not really focused on them too much, much more focused on everybody else. And I want to go back to the tribal council, please. Um, Peter, um, when he's talking to about Joe, I at one point I wanted to tap Jeff on the shoulder and be like, Hey, they got it.

[00:12:38] Let them play because, um, Joe's talking about how he's, he's a cop and how, you know, he's, he's got natural suspicion about people. I think he's a retired FBI agent or something like that. Uh, and so Jeff's like, yeah, do you think that benefits you in the game? Uh, and so Joe talks about that. And Jeff says, yeah, you can't really vote, uh, like judge a book by its cover here, Peter. And Peter says, yes, you can. I was like, Peter, the host is trying to tell you something. Why don't you listen? He's like, no, you can definitely judge a book by the cover.

[00:13:07] Jeff goes even further to say, really? Why, why is that? And Peter says, because Joe is a cop and I believe him. And Peter and Jeff says, remember the last cop that was on the brain versus the video? You're the bronze season. Matter of fact, two cops from that very season will go on to win. Survival. That is why the second one didn't happen yet, but it will happen. And so for Peter to be sitting here, like, no, there's no way Joe, the cop would lie to me. I'm like, Jeff is actually talking a little too much. Let him cook.

[00:13:37] Let him cook. Yeah. Let him cook. They knew they were getting a sound bite. Regardless. Jeff knew the blind side was, it was dialed in and he was trying to get those, those clips, uh, for this moment. Yeah. I am dying to see how Peter handles this. I do not remember what he's like. Yeah. If, if nothing else came from this episode, it was that I am so ready to watch the next episode because I just want to see what he does with this. And I need to listen to his exit press too, because less about the next episode, because if he goes next, he's clearly at the bottom.

[00:14:07] There's nothing he can do, blah, blah, blah. But I need to know what he thought about this episode because this was pretty bad. Yeah. Okay. Well, hopefully, uh, we'll, we'll, we'll check that out as we get closer to that. Uh, anything else from the brains tribe that you want to talk about? Um, I mean, Neil and his ice cream pants. I thought the, the snake and ice cream pants. Yeah. That's what Peter calls him. He's like, Oh, you know, maybe a snake and ice cream pants. Yeah. Uh, I mean, I look at someone who is not a fan of Neil as a whole character.

[00:14:35] I think at this point in the season, I'm still good with Neil. He loses me with the, he loses me with the Michelle. At the very end. Uh, yeah. And he also loses me when he takes that idol with him. Cause that's crazy. Yeah. But other than that, um, yeah, he's, he's doing really well right now. What do you think of Joe Del Campo doing crunches? Uh, or like, yeah, I forget what these are called. Like, uh, like leg raises. Leg lifts. Yeah. Uh, uh, do people with muscles work out on Survivor?

[00:15:01] I wouldn't, but I'm also not a person that you would typically call a person with muscles, you know? Yeah. Listen, you don't want to skip ab day. Okay. Now, I mean, he is very ripped. You know, there's a reason why he's built like that. Mike White wouldn't skip ab day. Mike White would definitely skip ab day. His personal trainer and his nutritionist are not on the island with him. But Joe feels like he's been doing this for a very long time and he's not going to let these young brains, uh, derail his routine. He knows what he's doing.

[00:15:31] Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about the Braun tribe because, uh, they're, of course, the tribe that gives us the most drama here for the first three episodes. And after they came back from tribal council that Scott Pollard immediately had regret of like, why did we keep Alicia? Because it was dumb. You should have regret. He's like, so you mean to tell me Alicia's mad at me for voting for her? That's wild. We should have voted her out if I was going to vote for her.

[00:16:01] I'm like, yes, dummy. He tells her, well, you know, I promised Jennifer Lanzetti that I wouldn't vote for her. Why would you do that only to vote for me and then expect me to be okay with it? I'm not going to be okay with it. And if I find an idol and y'all all vote for me, who do you think I'm going to vote for Scott? Mm-hmm There's nothing there. The strategy of these, what are these people doing? Yeah. Scott Pollard, I don't think he's seen the show a lot.

[00:16:29] I said this on the Know It Alls with Steven after the episode, that I feel like that Scott Pollard is kind of playing on like a survivor, like one or two level. Mm-hmm And he's coming in, it's not that he's not playing hard, but he's not really, I think, looking at the thing from like a very complex view. Yeah, because this is, this should be something that he was concerned about immediately, right?

[00:16:55] Like voting out Jennifer, who was his ally, is bad. And then expecting the person that you did vote for to stay, you know, that stayed to still work with you, it's also bad. You know, this is not good. Even if you're, let's say you don't plan on going to the end with Jason, it does feel like he does. But let's say you don't, you also have left him with his ally that he's closer to. You and I talked about this, you felt like Sidney and Jason are more of a pair than Scott and Sidney are. Okay, well now, you have no one.

[00:17:24] You're at the mercy of Kyle Jason. You have painted yourself into a corner for no reason. You didn't have to do this. You didn't have to do it. No. It's really bad. It's really bad. But we don't, do we have any more, who's the next celebrity cast, celebrity? Who's the next celebrity cast that we get after this? Is it Tom Laidlaw? Did any other celebrity, well Mike White is going to play 37. Well Mike White, he's the big one. Yeah, he's the big one for sure. Yeah.

[00:17:53] I don't know if there's anybody else who. Like any athletes. Yeah. Allen Ball, but not, he's not like a well known athlete. Allen Ball is probably about as well known as Scott Pollard. It depends on what city you're from. Yeah. Nobody had Millennials versus Gen X, right? Uh, not that I can. Mario Takahashi. Yeah. Twitch streamer. Yeah. I mean people were hyped for her. I don't think anybody was really hyped for Scott Pollard.

[00:18:22] And he's not doing himself any favors right here. Yeah. Well, what team is he best known for being on the Pistons? That's who I would have said, but I don't know who else. I mean he's played for several teams, didn't he? Yeah. I think he bounced around. Yeah. He's like a journeyman in the league. Yeah. Um, yeah, I would say the Pistons. I think, uh, oh, Wikipedia's and the Sacramento Kings. Okay. Yeah. That sounds right. Pacers. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Sure.

[00:18:50] The idol is a big topic of conversation in the Braun tribe because we see Alicia is going off to go look for it. Sydney is kind of being a frenemy to Alicia. She's like a fake friend. Cause that's how you play survivor. Yeah. You pretend to be nice and then you vote these people out if you don't like them. I watched a YouTube highlight reel of Sydney today and we're, we're just getting started.

[00:19:20] We, the people know. I don't even have one Sydney highlight yet. The people know. The people, the people, since Korong has been over, even yourself included, people know Sydney is a star and needed to come back. I remember y'all's deep dive that y'all did. And it was so much fun. Uh, yeah, no one's, no one's ever said that Sydney did not need to come back for another chance to play survivor. She seemed like she also had not seen much of the show, but she picked it up pretty naturally. Uh, she seems to have the good instincts here and there to, to maneuver through the game.

[00:19:49] That some people like Jennifer and Alicia don't seemingly have, uh, she didn't take a dump in front of everybody like Darnell. So she's on a good track right now. And she's funny. Uh, we haven't really heard her say anything that funny yet, but she's going, people are going to be trying her and she's very funny when she's frustrated. Oh yeah. And, uh, I think right now she's kind of being quiet, you know, she's kind of playing the backseat to the guys a little bit. And so they don't even know what they're dealing with and their faces will be, uh, cracked

[00:20:19] when they see her. Uh, and they try to use their maneuver on her, I guess, after the merge, she's not going to go play, play nice with them. And I think it's going to surprise them. So in this season, they have a very complicated mechanism to go and find the idol. It's actually, I feel like it's something like from the future of survivor. This is like something that you would see in survivor 45 or 46, where, as you said yesterday of like, it's a beware advantage and you have to do a complicated task and the idol is hidden

[00:20:49] in the tree. And then it tells you to open a box and in the box, it says there's a thing that you have to climb up. So Sydney and Alicia, they, that they're looking, Alicia finds the clue. Then she doesn't grab it because Alicia is there. And then she waits for Alicia to go away. But in the meantime, here comes Scott and Jason to intercept. Yeah.

[00:21:15] And this is, this is kind of hard to watch too, because if you're rooting for Alicia, or at least if you hate the guys, you're like, okay, she finally got something, you know, now she can stand on her own. Maybe she could turn the tables on these two guys that haven't been talking kindly of her. But she's a, like you said, she's surrounded by enemies. Even Sydney is not, is working against her. So while her and Sydney are looking for the idol, Sydney is like, yeah, Alicia go over there so that I can hide it.

[00:21:43] And then immediately goes and rats them out or I mean, rats her out. She doesn't want to be seen like she's working with Alicia because right now they don't have the numbers to do anything because Jennifer Lanzetti got herself voted out. And so she has no choice but to play with the guys. And Alicia is just up a creek. Yeah. She needs to swap real bad. It's not going to happen in time for her. No, it's not. And she really needs one because these guys go out and they, they get this idol.

[00:22:09] And in a way she's kind of just screwed for being on the tribe with a bunch of tall people as well, because she's small. She needs the tool because there is a tool that you have to use to get the idol out of the tree. Uh, it, they give it to him is out there, but Sydney's hidden it. Luckily for Scott, he's seven foot tall. So him with a wreck, a random piece of bamboo, he could just knock it down. And that's what he does. Jason snatches it up. Alicia's like falling through the wilderness and he's running off.

[00:22:37] And then they open the clue right in front of her and don't even acknowledge that she's standing there watching them. They're like, Ooh, look what we do. Yeah. What is she going to do? Nothing. Yeah. Just stood there and watch her whole game slip away. What happened on the brains tribe? They never found the idol. That. Okay. So I'm glad we're on the same page. Did you and Steven on the know it all discuss if there's a third part of this idol, because this idol is the super idol that we know will come into play later on. And it takes two parts to put them together.

[00:23:06] And then you could play the idol prior to the votes. I mean, after the votes are read. I think this is an original thought. Do you think that the season was stacked against the brains for the brawn and the beauties to come together? I mean, that is a good theory. But I think also by having a third part of this yin and yang, I think it does kind of add the benefit of like, you don't actually need the other person. You, you need to, you got two options. You have two outs here. Right? So let's say Scott and Jason can't get tied to give them the idol.

[00:23:34] You know, maybe Aubrey or Neil, I mean, Aubrey or Neil did have one. So maybe. Oh yeah. Neil is going to find the idol eventually because he's going to go without with an idol. Is it the same? I wonder if, if they end up staying on the brains tribe beach and they end up finding the third idol. Yeah. If they stay on the brains tribe beach and they find a third idol, it should also be a super idol. I think it is. Show them reading that part of the clue. Cause it's not important to the story.

[00:24:04] Hmm. I don't remember that vividly, but I do think that, you know, there is a third piece to this puzzle somewhere. And that means you don't technically need just, it doesn't have to be college, Kyle Jason, you know, and tie, you know, doing this move because you could, you could make this somebody else. You could have the super idol and then somebody gets medevaced and leaves with it. And then now your twist is screwed. Right. Right. Huh? Interesting. Now I'm looking at production. Like, Hmm. I do this on purpose. Cause y'all know it was hot as hell out there. It's like, okay, what if we lose? What if somebody leaves with the idol?

[00:24:34] Uh, we still want the ability to do the super idol. Yeah. What is it about these brains versus bronze versus beauty seasons where they have super idols? Why is this a thing? Hmm. You think there's something about the theme? The title, say, Hey, let's, let's try it again. Then what if it, what have you, here's the, you know, speaking of Tyler Perry, I will say that this is, we are in full Tyler Perry. Don't give them bathing suit mode of survivor. Oh, is that what this is? I didn't, I didn't pick up on that.

[00:25:01] I saw, uh, for the, for the swimming challenge. I think Sydney was wearing like her stars and stripes. Mm hmm. Yeah. We are very much, everybody's in their underwear era. Mm hmm. Okay. Okay. That was, that was that Tyler Perry's doing? I think so. Freaky frog, freaky, freaky frog. No one shocked. Freaky frog. Freaky frog. Freaky frog. Freaky, freaky, freaky. Um, yeah. Shocked by that. Not really, but it makes sense. Um, yeah, weird.

[00:25:29] I hadn't thought about the, the parallels between this season and the first brains, beauty and bronze, but we do have another cop. We do have another basketball player and we have another super idol. I wonder if this was done on purpose. Hmm. Any other similarities? Was it Lindsay that quit a bounty hunter or something like that? Yeah. Was, I don't think that Lindsay was the bounty. I felt that all the Lindsies are always hairstylists. What? I don't know now. I'm questioning everything. I think those are the only parallels that I can. I can imagine.

[00:25:59] You think Lindsay from survivor Kageyan was a bounty hunter. She was, she felt to me a little like a rugged and I, and I can't remember like, she was on the brawn. Hairstylish. I mean, would you put a hairstylist on the brawn? I guess, I guess you put one on this. She is a hairstylist. Oh, maybe she's a brawny hairstylist. I don't know. Yeah. Um, Kyle Jason is a bounty hunter. Um, I, at one point, Alicia might've been the last episode. She called him a hit man. Like that. I think that's different. It's different.

[00:26:28] Hitman is cooler though. I think dog kind of takes the dog, the bounty hunter to say the whole thing. I think he kind of takes the teeth. The bounty hunter name. I think dogs kind of beloved by people. Uh, but I think hit man, that would be scary. I don't think you could just put a hit man on survivor. Yeah. That is a little scary. I think there's a subtle difference like in the Mandalorian. I know you're not a big star Wars guy. Like I'm bringing them back like a warm or cold. Uh, that that's something the Mandalorian said. I think that typically they want them.

[00:26:58] They want them to bring them back. Yeah. They don't want to kill them. And, and we see his bounty hunter skills kind of at play here when he, when he goes and snatches his idol from Alicia's clutches. I mean, he doesn't literally take it from her hands, but in her mind, it was probably her clue. Thus it was her idol. And, uh, yeah, we don't really get a lot of that in the new era either. Right. I mean, the closest thing I could think of is say, like,

[00:27:25] what about, uh, Savannah and MC trying to like Savannah, trying to like Savannah, trying to like grab the key from her. Savannah did try that Savannah. Also a villain. I will give her that. I love, I love Savannah. I do. But if we're going to put Savannah on a tribe, put my girl on the villains tribe where she belongs. Yeah. I feel like maybe there's a couple other times in the new era where somebody like really tried to go for, um, you had also in, uh, HHH. Did, uh, Chrissy wrestle Cole Meadows? Chrissy wrestled Cole Meadows?

[00:27:55] Dang. Right. I feel like Cole didn't put up much of a fight, huh? Mm-hmm. I don't remember. I think, did he get the idol? Uh. I mean, I would have to believe that he didn't lose the wrestling match with Chrissy. Mm. Yeah. Uh. Maybe, I mean, maybe he did. Yeah. So that, yeah, that was a, that was a big moment. Maybe we'll watch that eventually. Yeah. Look, I'm down. Uh, especially because in my mind, I'm, I'm really building this new heroes versus villains. Cause ever since we talked about Scott and Jason being like the last two real villains, I'm like, there gotta be more.

[00:28:23] And I think, I think Savannah's definitely a villain. Maybe say, maybe say, maybe wrong. I think say would be somebody who you could cast in a new heroes versus villains. Oh yeah, for sure. And I think say would be like the perfect type of villain. Cause she would, she would revel in it. I really do think she would. Yeah. She likes it. She likes having fun. It's fun for her. Like if I gotta be a villain to have some fun, then that's what I'm going to do. Yeah. More say please. Let's talk about then what's happening over on the beauty tribe.

[00:28:51] And we get Ty going back and he's this time going to be able to get the hidden immunity idol. Good for him. Uh, Ty says this idol and I are bonded. It's out. It's my idol. Like we're meant to, we're meant to be together. And, um, he's not wrong. Ty will just hold onto idols forever. That's just his thing. Until it's advantage getting. The one time he could have just not played his eye for me, the two times actually.

[00:29:20] Cause that was two times in one for the love of God. Yeah. Um, also we meet Ty and the chicken. This is the first time we get Ty chicken on the show. And, uh, I thought for a split second, I was like, is this Mark? It's not Mark. No, no, this chicken is dead. And we're going to really make a meal out of this of Ty and the chicken and beast bone cowboy is going to be the one who's going to, uh, be the chicken murderer.

[00:29:50] And Ty's okay with it because Ty says, as long as we don't waste anything. Yeah. He's like, I don't really believe in killing the animals, but I will do it because I have to eat, but I'm not going to enjoy it. And he's kind of there to kind of hold the chicken's hand, you know, as he goes, you know, Caleb's about to pull the plug and he's like, man, I feel his feet going cold. Caleb goes cause he's dead. Yeah. It was a really good quote. He is dead. And Ty's like, damn, that's crazy. And he just, he starts to weep a little bit.

[00:30:19] And I think it really does affect everybody else on the tribe. And if they were at any question about why Ty is on the beauty tribe, it's like this, you could say he's beautiful on the outside. Sure. But the man has a really beautiful soul. Yeah. He really is very fun here so far. Now, next episode, not to spoil it too much for everybody. Caleb is going to get medically evacuated and medically evacuated. We've already completed the first half of the episode. So this is just about it for Caleb.

[00:30:45] Do you remember there being more for Caleb in season 32 of survivor? I feel like there. Yeah. In my mind, I think it is. I think it's the exit for Caleb. Yeah, I think that that's what really solidifies his spot. And I think we've seen that before with other survivor players where the medevac itself is what propels them into almost like their legend status.

[00:31:09] I would argue that Jeff Varner, not Jeff Varner, Mike Scoopin is one of the first examples of that. Sure. But if you go back and watch that season of survivor, everybody is talking trash about how dumb Mike Scoopin is. They're like, this man is an idiot. It was the same edit that he gets in the Philippines until the episode where he gets evacuated. And it's like, oh my God, Mike, we are so sad. Mike goes out like, you got to win it for me, baby. Like he's crying. Everybody's crying.

[00:31:39] And then when he comes back, people have forgotten that he was looked at like an imbecile. And so this time around, I think it's the same. I think the episode where Caleb, we're going to lose Caleb. I think it's going to go out in a very heroic looking way. Um, and I think because of that we, and because we bring back Ty, I think we have to bring back Caleb too.

[00:31:58] Have I told you that in my sort of, uh, fantasies about survivor 50 of me playing that that was like one of my ideal outcomes of like medical evacuation where they're like taking me off the, off the island in the stretcher. And I got like the gas mask on, right? Like thumbs up everybody. Uh, it was like dramatic music. It's like, ah, he could have won. He probably won. He would have won the game. He was right. He was in such a good spot. Yeah. You've been drinking the Chappelle juice. You know me. I don't want to play.

[00:32:28] I don't want to play. I don't want to compete. I'm like, what's the easiest way for me to get out of here without, without embarrassing myself? But like at the merge. At the merge. Like Kyle, that was too early. That was too early, but maybe. Comma butt. Yeah. It was too early, but it had the same effect. Same effect. Like he was going to win the whole thing. Like there were people like, um, I think when, um, I think I talked to Shannon about it and

[00:32:57] she was like, yeah, Kyle's stock went up in my, uh, in my, uh, you know, like winner rankings and all this stuff. I'm thinking really for after 90 minutes of episode is like, that's, that's, that's all he shouldn't have had a chance. He was a winner and they came back and he was like right in there. He was like in the six person alliance. Meanwhile, D made D made the merge and no one's like, you know, D would have taken it Like I think Kyle had the perfect exit. And I think that you were hoping for the perfect. Yeah. Me too. That's this. Give me the, I'll have the Kyle.

[00:33:27] So not the Kyle Jason, please. No, no, no, no. But I think, you know, I think, I think Russell Swan is another person who gets medevac and people remember the Samoa a lot more like, uh, vividly. It's like Russell Swan could have won that game if he wasn't. If I think even, uh, the people on the tribe were like, if Russell hadn't got a medevac and then Russell Hance would have never made it this far. Russell Swan was out there like falling over himself, embarrassing all of us. And was, you know, God reached in and saved him from himself.

[00:33:56] Uh, the second time God does not do that. And we see what happens. So yeah, sometimes a medevac at the right time, you'll get you a good edit. Yeah. There's probably some other people also like that. Uh, yeah. Terry needs the second time. Yup. He had one day where he was like, Terry Dietz got a social game. And it was like, yeah. And then he got it back to it. It was like, Terry could have had it. Terry could have had it. Yeah. Courtney Moon. Another. No, not so much. I think they did find out that she had cancer. So that was good. Damn.

[00:34:24] I do feel like that the history, uh, I'm not sure what it is. The history of medical evacuations. But there's far more men who have been medically evacuated. Is this again that men are doing dangerous things? I mean, certainly Matthew from survivor 44. Yeah. He, yeah, he did. He did the dangerous thing. Right. And then, I mean, we've had some close calls to ours falling on that glass and the last like, I mean, I mean, I don't know what it is, but when, with the women, sometimes they're just like shake it off.

[00:34:54] You know, Missy's on a crutch. Final travel. Let's just play it out. Let's just see what happens. Let's play it out. See what happens. Just hold it in. Just one more day. Shake it off. Yeah. Rub some dirt on it. Rub some dirt on it, Missy. Okay. So. I would love to see the stats on that. I've never thought about who's been medevaced more. Mm hmm. I do think it's probably, I'd say it's maybe like 70% men. I really struggle. I'm trying to think of women that have been medevaced in this season alone.

[00:35:23] So you have three medical evacuations. It's three men. Very lopsided in this season. Yeah. Yeah. I think for some reason Courtney Moon is the only one that's coming to mind. Mm hmm. Yeah. I'm sure it's happened where women have been medically evacuated, but more often than not, I do think it's, I think it's the men. Yeah. The women quit. Cause the women be like, I don't need this. Uh, look at Nayanka. Look at. Interesting. Women quit and men get medically evacuate.

[00:35:49] Men will literally do anything except, uh, tell a doctor what their problem is. Right. Me, you know, meanwhile, the women are just like, I'm tired of this. I don't need this. I can go. You know, I think the men are like, no, I'm going to push through. And then we see Jonathan Penner getting carted out. We see, uh, one guy getting bit by a snake. You know, I think that, I think the men in Survivor are kind of, kind of dumb. Not delicate. A little delicate. A little fragile. The men in Survivor. Yeah. Okay. So.

[00:36:19] Was B, was B to win a medical evacuation? I think she was a quit, but I think it was because of a medical issue. Smart lady. Smart lady. You know, uh, the, well, I think here's, here's the other part of this. When, when men do try to quit, Jeff yells at them. Remember Austin? Yeah. He's like, I'm sick, everybody. I'm dying. Can I go home? And Jeff's like, so you quit. Cause what I'm hearing is that you're, you're squandering this opportunity. And then he's like, Austin's like, I don't have any clothes, Jeff.

[00:36:47] I don't know if you've noticed, but I've been in the, in the, in the wilderness naked for like four days and just like, yeah, but this feels like a quit to me. So he was the first one though. Yeah. I mean, but again, naked in the, in the wilderness. I think he deserved a little bit of a pass. Okay. I was in his draws. He sold them. He did like a dummy. Just dumb. I love Austin. Get him on this rewatch.

[00:37:17] Okay. And then in the beauty tribe. Oh, there's a little bit of a, of a plot to take out Nick. Uh, Anna Kate is like, you know what? I don't trust Nick. Yeah. She's putting a hit out on him. She wants him out. She's like, uh, Nick's and look, Nick is arrogant as well. He's doing the thing. Like you got a fake emotion. And Anna Kate is like, I feel like this guy is being fake. So, you know, I, I, I said that Nick was probably the perfect casting for this, but I

[00:37:44] will give Peter back in stocks and Liz both credit for them to be on the brain tribe again. Perfect because they are living in their arrogance the same way Nick is on the beauty tribe. Here's something that's interesting that I would not have remembered. So in the challenge, the challenge has, uh, two reward items for the people that you get to pick. Okay. If you want came in first place, you got to pick.

[00:38:08] Like, do you want, uh, comfort items or the newly rebranded emotional items? No, we're not calling them luxury items. You get to have your emotional item from home. Why do you think that changed as far as like the branding? Is it because they're like letters and teddy bears and they're not really, I don't, I mean, you had a magic eight ball. I mean, a teddy bear and a magic eight ball gotta be at the same level of comfort. Mm-hmm. Yep.

[00:38:36] Emotion, uh, luxury, I guess. So yeah, they call them, uh, emotional items here. And I think that they've come back a couple other times in other seasons as, as a reward. And, uh, did you catch any of the other ones? I, I, so I know that there was, I saw the teddy bear. I think that's, that's Kyle's daughter's teddy bear. Um, I think Alicia has a letter that she wrote to herself. Oh, okay.

[00:39:05] We guys like do a freeze frame and stop down. I don't have Paramount Plus open on, uh, the, on this computer, but I'm pretty sure she has a letter to herself in a frame. I don't hate it. It's her emotional support item. Yeah. I, I don't hate it. Cause if you need emotional support, who can, who can support you better than yourself? Right? Like, you know exactly what you need to hear to hype yourself up.

[00:39:30] Like you can do this one more day, you know, whatever the, whatever the, uh, the little urgency you need to, you can give yourself that. That's kind of cool. Didn't you, uh, have you ever written yourself a letter or something like that prior to playing one of these games? I don't write myself letters. I have like that. This entire room is just papered with notes to myself, like, like motivational, uh, notes. Oh, so like I'm a savage, classy, bougie ratchet.

[00:40:00] Uh, not quite, but basically. I mean, you should have used that for the traders. I think that's the, that's the little urge you need to make in these. You don't think I didn't, uh, that you should have seen. I, I, my, my hotel room in the traders was I had like index cards and masking tape. And I had like, they, they, that probably, and in my mind, I'm like, I'm going to, I'm going to crack this whole thing. I was like the, it's always sunny in Philadelphia.

[00:40:27] Uh, I had a wall of like all of the names, but then I had like motivational things. And then the bathroom mirror is covered in papers. You should have had Bryce write you a bunch of little Kim lyrics to read to yourself, you know, or, or even Megan Thee Stallion. I'm that bitch, been that bitch, still that bitch. Like that's the type of energy you need going into one of these games next time. Next time you come back for all stars, make no mistake. We don't lace you up on some real sticky notes. Yes.

[00:40:57] Um, so, okay. Oh, so, um, you know what? Uh, so I apologize. Her, her, her emotional item was a, it's a letter from her father. I don't know why I thought it was a letter to herself. I think the letter to herself is, it's, it's cooler. I think the letter from father is like, I, cause I think that, you know, the family visit family letters, that becomes a staple. I think a letter to yourself is more original. Yeah. That's pretty good. All right. I don't hate it. Anybody else stand out?

[00:41:23] Um, I have to go back in and look at it, but something else that you said that stood out to me is you said this whole season was just so that they could dunk on Frankie Grande. Yeah. And then I'm watching this immunity challenge and I see beast mode cowboy get a chance to do this, do the rope maze. And it's like, you know what? Redemption for beast mode cowboy from when he sat on the ground, when Frankie Grande got to do this by himself.

[00:41:54] What did I say? I didn't even, I, when I saw what the, what the challenge was, I screamed. And I said, see Rob told me I was crazy. You didn't tell me I was crazy, but still you. I thought it. I thought it really loud. And now this is three episodes in a row where I'm like, the ghost of Frankie is just hanging out on this island. And I really don't understand why they just picked Caleb and not him. Yeah. Frankie was right there. They even put a Frankie challenge in here. If, if the, uh, yeah, this is, this is wild. Frankie J Grande was robbed.

[00:42:22] A couple of things I was thinking at first, maybe the Frankie Grande curse beast mode cowboy with what happens then. But then I'm thinking of go back to survivor Guatemala and remember when they ate the chicken, they weren't supposed to. And then they got cursed. Remember that? Do you think this is what happens to beast mode cowboy? Oh, so is this the, the, he ate the chicken curse or is his, the Frankie J Grande curse? Oh yeah. Him killing the chicken is pretty bad. I mean, not killing the chicken does wonders for Ty, right?

[00:42:51] Like he will go basically as far as possible, both times. Um, essentially, um, this time around Caleb is not so lucky. I think this is the Frankie Grande curse. I think if anybody was at home rooting against this man, it was Frankie. Yeah. Okay. All right. I think that's it for my, what I have for episode three of survivor go wrong. No, this was, this was a good episode. I, again, I'm, I'm sitting here watching it thinking, man, I can't wait to watch the next one. Yeah.

[00:43:17] Um, yeah, I did, uh, like I said, I did kind of like review, uh, the, like, uh, the Liz Markham exit press kind of stuff. And it was just like, yeah, her and, uh, her and Peter, they just, they took their eye off the ball. But I also think Peter's crazy because for, for, for Liz to say, we talked about this and we did not feel good coming into the tribal council, but then Peter just be like, F it. I'm just going to go in and talk about, yeah, he YOLO so hard.

[00:43:46] And he's telling Jeff about his emotional intelligence being so high. There's a crazy, like bombastic beat drop when he says it. It's like, yeah, you know, one of my biggest skills is emotional intelligence. And you cut to everybody being like, you know, it was such a crazy exit. Can't wait to see how the next one happens. Yeah. And Jeff is still at the end of the episode, giving his like, uh, Jerry's final thoughts at the end of the tribal council. I wonder at what season we lose that officially. Do you remember what his final thoughts were this time around?

[00:44:15] I feel like I, I thought it was maybe about the emotional intelligence also. It was, he said, well, you know, that that's, that goes to say, survivor is all about emotional intelligence. Like, no, it's not, not anymore. The open era is about the open air era. Is it open air or open? It's open era. Yeah. The open era is about chaos and not knowing what's going on. So this is the last era where we're like, no, emotional intelligence really wins you this game.

[00:44:42] This would have been such a, like a dirty season if Aubrey had lost her vote or something like that. You know, in this episode, right? It's like, you, you just let them play. Cause this is the second tie that we've gotten already this season. Um, yeah. Karang is, it's delivering in ways I didn't even expect. Yep. Okay. So fun stuff here. Next episode. I don't know how, if it's going to be fun. We're going to get the, Caleb's going to almost die. And then, and then they, they squeeze in the

[00:45:10] Alicia tribal council also in the next episode. Oh yeah. I forgot she goes next. Like I'm, I'm sitting here under the impression that Peter back in stocks. I think it's so unpleasant that they're just like, let's yada, yada this. Let's, let's just knock out, you know, two birds with one stone. It's not fun under the rug a little bit. Yeah. Um, the Caleb medevac is interesting to me because I vaguely remember that he got medevac digging through the sand for salt and pepper and whatnot.

[00:45:36] Yeah. And I just think that, yeah, that's what I think. So I'm interested. Let's take a look at those spices. Maybe there was more there than salt and pepper. There's gotta be cumin. Maybe some oil. Would you die for cumin? Would you die for oil? I mean, extra virgin olive oil is very good for you. That evil. It's hard to, it's hard to pass up. It's very good. It's very good. Okay. All right. We'll be back on Monday to talk about episode four.

[00:46:06] We're one week into the books on, uh, co effing wrong. This is so much fun. Yeah. This is great. I really enjoyed the top 50 countdown. It was crazy. We got to watch a season a week, but I am enjoying kind of like. That was a mukbang. That was too much in a short amount of time. We're, we're like having like a nice, uh, like getting together.

[00:46:28] Nice pace. It's not too slow to do it every week where it's like, wait, what? I forgot what was going on. We're in the flow. So this is great. And there have been no bad episodes yet. Right. To where it feels like, like, for instance, if we did it in the new era, I'm thinking of survivor 46, you know, it's my least favorite season.

[00:46:46] Your, your most favorite season of the new era, but you know, the doing this three days in a row and me being like, and Bono still here would be miserable. Um, so I think this is the perfect season so far to do something like this. Yeah. Okay. All right. Chappelle, anything else you want to tell people to check out? Uh, Nope. Interview with the vampire is coming out this, uh, or it's out. It's out already in house of the dragon is coming out soon. Uh, and, uh, yeah, because of that, uh, we're covering it over on recap, kickback.com. Check it out.

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[00:47:45] All right. We'll be back on Monday for episode four. Love to hear what you have to say in the comments. Take care of a good one. Bye.