Josh Wigler on Survivor B&B: S48 Ep 6

[00:00:00] Mike and the Anna gather playing some games. You better pray to your mama that they're not super late. And if that all sounds cool, I can tell you the name. It's the R-H-A-P.

[00:00:33] Hi everybody and welcome to the R-H-A-P B&B for week 6 of Survivor 48. I pulled a star and accidentally threw my pen, but we soldier forward here as Mergatory has hit. And I want to see, I don't think I hit anything or anybody luckily, but somebody did get hit in the form of charity. Our first casualty in the individual game. And I am here with a motley.

[00:01:03] crew as always to break down with the next phase of the game provides. Of course, my ride or die. Our partnership is far from undercover. The one Leona Boris. Thank you, Mike. I am here ready to talk about everything from the merge. Are we are we calling it merge? Is it is it the official merge? Look, listen, I very much understand everyone's desires to to be called the way that they want to be called.

[00:01:32] At the same time. I don't know. We're bringing on, you know, an out and out survivor purist here in Josh Wiggler. Now that we have a purist. Well, I mean, now I know I'm the purist. Exactly. You're the purist of among us, certainly, though, maybe at least two out of three on this panel. But I would say that now that we are seeing this form of quote unquote Mergatory being that everyone competes and one person wins immunity.

[00:01:59] Like, I feel like we're in a bit of a Twitter X situation where it's like, why are you just naming it Mergatory when it's no different at all now from what you had prior? Well, because it's like a new thing you can put on a buff, right? It's a new point is there's no buff, Josh. All right. True. I do think that maybe they should have Mergatory buffs. I think maybe that would be the thing. I think get to the Mergatory.

[00:02:26] You get like some sort of like grayed out gravestone marker style buff. Maybe you have to wear like a stone. It's like a stone that you have to wear or like what is it when they put you in the stocks? Oh, yeah, I like that. Or a dunce cap. Maybe there's products we could be. We could be sending out stuff through CBS dot com if we really wanted to hear. Otherwise, I really don't know why we're calling it Mergatory.

[00:02:56] I like the dunce cap idea. You could also do if it's you could do a wristband situation if we didn't want to like commit to something too big. Also, given all the party analogies that we had or the other thing I thought of was. Mergatory glow sticks. Yes. I like that. Easy to film at night as well. Like, you know, Mergatory ecstasy. Oh, I like that. Merge MDMA. Yeah, here's Molly. You rolling? Oh, yeah. I mean, we'll talk about some metaphors of tribal councils.

[00:03:25] So maybe people thought he might have been rolling on something when he was there. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I also the other thought I had was it's sort of like the, you know, in video games and there's like a blacked out character that you haven't unlocked yet. Oh, yeah. That energy, you know, like, you know, they're there. You almost have them, but it's just you need to unlock them first. Yes. Mergatory joker for a blotro fill in. That could be interesting. You like made it to round four. But did you?

[00:03:53] Josh, how would you have felt if instead of going on the journey and rolling dice in a game of Yahtzee, if they played blotro? Would that be better or worse? Much better. It's a game of skill. There's some luck involved for sure, but it is largely like make use of what you got. Almost any hand you can win blotro with. You just you just got to be creative. And also there are such that you could get like really bad luck with some of the cards that you drop.

[00:04:20] But like you could probably like, I don't know, survivor blotro would be fun for like. Like, I have to imagine that one of these online survivors is going to start instituting blotro as a challenge at some point soon. There you go. Tony blotros. Yeah, there you go. Tony blotro. I mean, that would be and the hit sequel to the survivor card game is basically making your own real life version of blotros called Tony blotros. And when you have a bunch of idols and advantages that you have.

[00:04:45] Blotros would be a very fun game to play, you know, because Tony was all about power ups, too. And blotro is a game of power ups. So, yeah, spy shack joker. A lot going on here. I mean, I'm more of a merge a wig, not a merge a Tory. Personally, that's what this will be. Saw that one party won all the seats in the house this week in the forum that charity was evicted from the house party here.

[00:05:14] And look, it's interesting because I would say for what has been, in my opinion, a very strong both physically and quality wise and solid season so far. This was a bit of like a fine episode. There were certainly fun moments. We can certainly talk about, you know, star say stars coming out party, say appearing out of nowhere to swipe the advantage. All that fun stuff. But, you know, when you look at, OK, it was just a pretty open and shut vote on charity.

[00:05:42] Yes, it was what a seven to five to one vote. But it's because literally everybody was splitting and say just wanted to be a petty betty. And I can imagine people being like, oh, is that the most boring episode of Survivor ever? And I would counter by saying, especially as of late. I don't know, y'all merge episodes might be a little overrated. I think especially nowadays, like even looking at the new era, 45 is probably the best merge episode I could think of.

[00:06:12] And it was primarily because it was going to be an open and shut vote on Caleb. But then he hit this one in six shot and changed the course of his game for like an episode. 47 was fun, but it was once again an open and shut vote on Rome. And the fun was more so by the edit and the effort they did to tell Rome's downfall then, as opposed to creating any sort of strategic intrigue.

[00:06:36] I just think with a lot of factors at play, there being 13 people, a lot of these people meeting each other for the first time. And the fact that they probably are betting on splitting apart in the next episode, which has been confirmed. It doesn't necessarily push these players from my perspective at this first individual vote to be like, all right, we're swinging for the fences. They are bunting.

[00:06:59] Essentially, they are going for a nice safe hit that they know will probably get them on base because once they get on base, then they can go from there. Mm hmm. Yeah, I also looked at like 46. I was trying to remember the Mariah boot that was like 10 to one. I think it is. The boring part is the consensus. I think you get excited because it's like, oh, my gosh, all these people are coming together, but they're going to play it safe. They're going to take that person who is maybe the easy boot and just go ahead and go forward with that.

[00:07:27] And this, especially in this season, I feel like have been telegraphed so hard with David doesn't like charity and everybody doesn't like charity and nobody likes charity except for Mitch. Right. So they're really out on charity in 2025. I think apparently hard pass on charity. I got no room for it. No, no, no one's got no one has disposable income for charity. No, no way.

[00:07:50] No, I think it's more so the fact that it was really the debate was between the consensus target of say or the consensus target of charity. And so that even from the one thing or poor crying Cedric. Yeah. So it just yeah, I do see that, Mike. Like I it just doesn't exactly grip you maybe in the way that you would expect when you have all these cast of characters come together. Yeah, I think for me, I thought the vibes were really fun.

[00:08:19] I thought I thought that the vibes of the episode were fun. And so I guess to some degree, maybe it depends on on are you are you here for the big moves? Are you here even for like the subtle moves? You know, are you here for the gameplay? Are you here for the vibes and what's your balance between the two? I don't want it to be a straightforward. I mean, gosh, as much as I love a lot of the people who are talking about big, tough, strong, loyal stick together. That's going to be so boring if that's what we do. You know, we got to disrupt it. We got it.

[00:08:48] We got to get some we got to we got to cry over a couple of spilled glasses of milk, I think, along the way here as we push into the merge. I think like vibes wise, there's everything with star star is out of control in this episode. Her wonderful moment with Cedric. Teddy, that was just a beautiful scene between the two of them. Star dancing and pulling, I guess, Mike Bloom pulling a star.

[00:09:16] For those who don't watch the video version of the podcast, something fell at the very start of the pod. Oh, no, I mean, I should say what fell was my dignity, but I did fully and accidentally toss the pen out of my hand in pure gesticulation. Like if this is a boring episode of Survivor, it still gave us I want mozzarella sticks, you know, like there's stuff. There's stuff here. So they're doing her best Bubba from. Oh, my God. Yeah, we got pomegranates.

[00:09:45] I crushed those. I mean, there was there was a lot of laugh out loud moments in this episode for me. So even even the final button of you're seeing all of the votes come up as charity is giving her final words. And of course, say just voted for Cedric. Say who to his whose life was very nearly on the line. Just voted for Cedric. Couldn't resist. Just so petty, so unbelievably petty and ridiculous.

[00:10:14] There there were some good comedic material in here is a little bit of a boring vote, I guess. But we're also saying it's a boring vote for a vote that was really close. You know, there was a lot of people, a lot of people voting and two really big targets, like two people who amassed a whole buttload of votes. So I don't know. I thought it was fun. I had a good time. I definitely enjoyed it.

[00:10:37] And I think to your point, nowhere is that dynamic better represented from, again, this little gourdie kind of like a Kong. You give like a dog when you want them to be quiet, where you put a bunch of peanut butter inside sitting on a pedestal for the taking. And here comes charity. She thinks she's got a clear path. This is going to be the thing that she needs to access the next part of her game.

[00:11:00] And freaking say, like the predator, decamouflages, jumps out of nowhere and snatches it. And the music's like, yeah, as she does it. It was just such a perfect scene that I think, to your point, should be representative of the fact that diving into some of these episodes, the outcome may be pretty rote. We're not getting a any really Kageon merge moments anymore. Where it's like, oh, my God, this big player just got taken out.

[00:11:27] But there is still the smaller moments of these people interacting with each other for the first time. You mentioned Star and Cedric have never exchanged words with each other. This could be the first bit of dialogue, Leona, the two I've ever had with each other within two weeks of playing. Mm hmm. Yeah, exactly. And that's the thing is that, you know, we talk about this on the B&B of really loving the character moment, getting to know personalities, which I'm so thankful that we got to know Star both in this context with Cedric, but just more in general, especially with the episode with Eva.

[00:11:57] Because it feels like where were you this whole time? Right. Because her whole narrative was just, oh, she you know, we're going to try to blindside her and not solve her puzzle. Right. And it turns out she's like this really awesome, charismatic person that I remember from the preseason. And so it's just nice to now see that actually play out on our television screens. Well, you know what it is? Stars don't come out during the day. Now the sun has set and it's the mergatory nighttime. Dusk, dusk. Right.

[00:12:27] It's like that transitionary period before it becomes the night. You start seeing stars at dusk. There's like a little like star pecked dusky sky. And it's interesting, though, because I feel like if you look at pictures of a sunset and a sunrise, you'd be hard pressed to tell which is which. So it's also sort of like either my game is setting or it's just on the rise right now. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Josh, I got to get your thoughts on all things say she continues to be the biggest. Exactly.

[00:12:56] Continuing to set records, I believe, for confessionals in Survivor history. Still the main character, obviously due to, you know, the things she had done both on Vula Beach and on the mat at challenges, certainly earned a reputation going in. May or may not have been emboldened by the fact that she then proceeded to come back from a reward that she went on by, you know, grabbing something at the right time and proceeds to list off everything that she partook in to some of these poor people.

[00:13:26] But I got to get your thoughts on an overpowered advantage. Was that an unfair advantage here? Find thing in the woods. You get to have a full fried chicken and pomegranate and and mozzarella stick disco party. I like it better than doing a rock draw for it. You know, like how they or like I wish they could have done what they did sometimes with team challenges back in the day for rewards,

[00:13:51] which is OK, say you're sitting out, you pick the six people you think are going to win this challenge. If they win, you compete alongside them. If not, we really love to like set them run in here at the top of the merge, don't we? It's like, hey, you're all here. It's a great time. Welcome to the beach. You can all be friends now. But first, a scavenger hunt. Mm hmm. And I OK, so remind me, I remember from last season, from 47,

[00:14:19] Genevieve ultimately does end up finding this advantage, but it's out like on a buoy in the middle of the water. Yeah. After this to the point where that like Sam is like, yeah, that's probably not it. And he turns around and goes back. Right. And and the other thing, too, was that the social consensus of that group was we don't really care right about these advantages.

[00:14:41] So part of me feels like this is a direct reaction to the cast's approach of like 47's approach to that advantage where they were like, we're just going to put it in the middle of the jungle where it is very clear on a pedestal. And all you have to do is run and grab it like you will get this advantage. How dare you not accept our advantages or be interested in them? That is how it came across to me. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:15:06] Like you had you would really have to all be just deciding to sit down here right now in order to miss this thing. OK, so how do I feel about say is ridiculous television, ridiculous TV. I think I've seen a lot of Abby Maria comps. I think that that's I think that that feels right to me. I think that she's bringing some big Abby energy to the proceedings.

[00:15:32] This is this is once upon a time, I think a player that I would have described as like a time bomb player, except the bomb just keeps exploding over and over and over again. Every single time Cedric's like, I think I could defuse the bomb and the bomb just explodes again and again and again. He just keeps collecting shrapnel. So I'm mesmerized by say still being here. I really I cannot for the life of me understand how this happened last time around.

[00:16:02] I was as befuddled about the decision to get rid of Bianca over say as as a lot of people, I think, especially from Cedric's point of view that like say doesn't seem like she's got the best poker face. Doesn't seem like the best liar definitely has. If you vote for me, you're dead energy. And I feel like how how is Cedric not picking up on that time and time again that this really is? Who is it?

[00:16:28] Is it is it who says in this episode you got to get rid of say is going to ruin your game, dude? Yeah, Chrissy, who I was going to call Carla. So I'm glad that I asked who is that person because I don't remember names anymore on the show. And so, yeah, I thought that was right. Like, what are you doing keeping keeping her around? So I have no idea how she's still here except for the grace of Cedric. And I'm dearly hoping that she's here for a very long time because I think she's outrageous television.

[00:16:58] Very, very, very ludicrous person that I love to see on Survivor. My cup of tea. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Could it be something to the effect of like not I can fix her, but like I know say's code, you know, like I. I know the way that she operates. I will be very intrigued to see his reaction to her voting for him. I mean, the episode started with a misunderstanding straight out of three's company where say is like, I know the one vote was from you, Cedric.

[00:17:27] Like she assumes that the two SIVA members were the ones to go over the top from the Vulas, split their votes and get rid of Bianca behind their back. And Cedric's like, can you please let me explain how I saved you? Can I finish? Can I finish? Can I? I saved your life. You're welcome. The thank you is far from implied at this point, but you're welcome. And then say is able to sort of calm down and digest it. But she does not forget. The North remembers.

[00:17:56] And say is one hell of a Stark at this moment. Is the little bit of sunken cost fallacy like Cedric's like, well, I've already invested so much into this. Do I need to just sort of keep around? And also. What other options does Cedric have? I mean, he could go build options. OK, right. Like, don't get me wrong. He has options. He obviously has shown to be very personable and people do want to work with him. But there might be something about just like my vulas, you know, like these are my people.

[00:18:25] I want us to all still figure out a way to work together. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed with Cedric. I love Cedric so much. Cedric just like like almost almost fully unwittingly just crushing dreams for no reason. You know, Justin gone, destroyed the other guy. He didn't have to go home either, but he had to tell say what was going on. And then and then Bianca. Bianca's like, I think we're going to actually be able to make some good moves together.

[00:18:55] He's like, no, I'll just I'll just rip your heart out here right right now for no real reason. Cedric is like secret supervillain, but I don't think like he he means to be. I don't know that he means to be a superhero, but everything that Cedric does, I understand why he's crying here at the Mergatory. It's been hard. And every choice that he makes baffles me. I want him to keep making choices, though, because I think he's he is such an unexpectedly chaotic player.

[00:19:24] I've been fascinated with Cedric's decision. Cedric Cedric is the Thanos of Survivor 48. We're like he's been collecting these people, but thinking he's this is the path to do it right. Like, all right, I need to solve this crisis of winning a million dollars by cutting all these people in the process. But it's like there are so many other ways you could have done it. But the methodology you choose to do like clearly he has a logic that he is pursuing moving forward with.

[00:19:51] We're not entirely sure what that logic is. To your point, Josh, I will follow it to the ends of the earth and back because I will say it again. The fact that this is very soft spoken contemplative man who is like very understandably in his feels after really flubbing a challenge for the umpteenth time. He seems so lovely. He's so gentle.

[00:20:14] Yeah, you know, like watch out star like, yeah, sleep with one eye open without an idol, especially because there's a good chance that Cedric might just he's going to vote for star next week for sure. Oh, my gosh. I that's the thing, too, is the fact that Cedric has somehow managed to vote like eight times in six episodes. Like there's just so many things to the Cedric story that's fascinating. And I'm so happy, Mike, that you brought that up, too, which is, yeah, he's following some logic.

[00:20:40] And we know he you know, because he says like it's not I'm not ready yet to get rid of say like I'm not ready yet to get rid of say. And I'm like, why? Like what? Please, I would love to hear that explanation as to why. But he's he is so like simultaneously the like similar and different to what I expected in preseason. Like the demeanor is there. But the actions, Josh, like that's what you said, like the actions that he's taking are just so different than what I expected. They don't line up.

[00:21:09] It's just like it's very incongruous to me. And I can't I can't stop laughing every time Cedric casts a vote because I just know now that something something weird is going to go down. Either he's going to vote in a weird way or he's just going to get a stray from say. So Cedric at tribal is just a menace. And I I'm so here for it. I'm so here in the preseason. Did Cedric get a lot of like winner pick vibes?

[00:21:37] What was Cedric's preseason vibe? People were like, this seems like a very nice, mild mannered man. I don't think anyone clocked. But this man will have voted off. What? Seven people in six episodes that he would have cut the throats of two people that one decided not to tell his vote to him right before tribal council. The other person decided to tell the no vote to him right before tribal council. And he did the same result anyway.

[00:22:04] He is probably one of the most unexpected surprises I would imagine from even my own sense of talking out with him on the island. A lot of people was going to do. What did you think that Cedric's role in the season was going to be? Well, listen, I'll I might save it for, you know, a future prediction. Like, God forbid, if Cedric ever gets voted out of this game, assumingly in a chaotic fashion.

[00:22:27] But I thought he was going to just be like a pretty stable under the radar force on the season that probably ended up getting voted out due to like Vula losing every challenge in the pre-merge. Spoiler alert. That's where I had him going. So far and away exceeding my expectations. Delightfully so. Oh, 100 percent. I totally agree with what Mike said. I believe during the draft we did, Shannon mentioned that she had Cedric quite high on her draft board. And I think I said something like, really?

[00:22:56] I couldn't see it. I couldn't see it. I'm so happy to be wrong because it's just a joy to watch him on the season. Of like people on the season of like cast members. If I were drafting them based on how much I want them to stay on my TV, Cedric would be in the conversation of a first round pick for me. I just I love them. I can't get enough. I'm just so intrigued, so intrigued by Cedric's decision making. And the fact that there is seemingly like a lot of like emotional depth there, too.

[00:23:26] And I'm I'm I'm always here for a really hard and I'm having a hard time with it. I feel like just the way that he was cracking this week and star being there for him was was such a beautiful thing. Such a beautiful thing. So this was my Joe and Eva was Cedric and star. This is this is where I got hit in the fields was this week in that scene. I thought it was just so wonderful. Well, what makes it incredibly touching, Josh, I'm not sure if you know.

[00:23:54] But, you know, star has this this really significant line of like there are a lot of dads who can't come out here and do what you do. My dad couldn't. And there's a reason why she used the past tense is because star lost her father and actually talk with me out there about how significant that was in her life, because she realized that she was not actually getting a lot of the support that she was giving out to her family members during that time.

[00:24:19] And so it's a moment that has weighed very heavily on her and is clearly like left a big hole in her life. And so I think it means a lot that, again, this is probably what less than 24 hours after you have actually conversated with this guy and you are comparing him to one of the most important figures you've ever had in your life. Like that's a really tangible connection that I'm glad we got to see.

[00:24:40] I will echo what you said before, Liana, that star is just such an incredible ball of energy that, you know, between Loggie winning all the time and where the way things were going for her. I was nervous. I was like, oh, man, I wish that's the stuff that star bottled preseason could have been, you know, solicited out much like the little bottle of stuff that say grab from that pedestal. And we finally got our dose here. It was she for my money. This was the first vote she ever cast on Survivor.

[00:25:09] It may have been the best time we've seen someone cast the first vote on Survivor, maybe since like Ethan, who had the emotional thing of like it's so great to be back, which obviously was very loaded with a lot of stuff. But to have star first off, like maybe going along with that house party analogy, just sauntering her way up there, hardiest felicitations, just ready to party her ass off. And then I still listen, I'm no physicist. This might shock a lot of people. I don't know how gravity worked in that instance.

[00:25:39] The pen quite literally defied gravity where it was like the. Could you explain gravity? Honestly, this was mythical. This was the onion or the garlic gods, I guess I should say. Why does everything look like garlic? Let us not obfuscate like stars voting confessional. Incredible. Then it immediately cutting to Eva, openly questioning the aesthetic of the season. Chef's kiss. So good. So good. But now she's like that must unlock.

[00:26:07] Oh, that's why our tribe flags were shaped like that. Like this is the garlic season. Yeah, they never went to tribal council. So it's like, oh, I didn't realize this was a whole thing. The fans have voted. We're getting you food at the start of the season. But there's a twist. It's just raw garlic. Tons of it. I was thinking for Survivor 50 in the hands of the fans, if we could vote for which vegetable

[00:26:36] is going to be the theme of this season. That's very big brother. Like vote for the have not food. Yeah, exactly. So it could be zucchini and cucumber or onions and tomatoes. I want people I listen. I want a bunch of attorneys can or big like, all right, we're starting you off with food. It's it's steakhouse salads. It's tomato. It's thick beef steak, tomato slices, some onion, some red onion on it. And you have to eat them together.

[00:27:06] Yeah, exactly. So many options. See, we're coming up with with so many ideas. I think speaking of food, the other thing that stood out to me about this episode, and this is, I guess, maybe a question more than anything else. Why did Jeff call it the merge meal? Instead of why is it not the merge feats that really bothered me? I don't know why, but it really, really bothered me. I mean, someone questioned whether a soup is a meal or not. But Kenny Banya would say that this is a meal because as say, will also copiously list out.

[00:27:36] Indeed, there was a hearty amount of food there. So yeah, that sounded like feast. That sounds like more. It definitely sounded more like a feast than a meal. I feel like a meal is, you know, a meal is important. A meal is something that you're supposed to have every day. You're not supposed to have a feast every day. And so I feel like the feast, that's an event. A meal is breakfast, lunch or dinner.

[00:28:03] And that spread kind of looked like breakfast, lunch and dinner. That was a feast and dessert. Now, I do have a thought. Could it be that we've seen a couple times Applebee's or like Outback sponsor the merge meal? Did Applebee's like say, well, we'll roll with you, Survivor. You know, nearly 25 years deep. We'll roll with you, Survivor. But you can never use the word feast again. That's what I think. Yeah.

[00:28:32] I think they copyrighted the term and it's now the Applebee's branded feast. So they can't say feast. They're like, shit, let's go to the thesaurus. What else do we call it? A meal? Yeah, it's a meal. I hate that word. Meal. It sounds mealy. It's not a good word. What would you prefer? If you couldn't use the word feast, what would you refer to this as? Like a merch spread? Merch. Banquet. Banquet. What about merch banquet? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:29:01] That was I just synonyms for feast. Smorgasbord, you know, you know, I feel like there's like you want you want opulent words like you want to turn you want to like open up a George R. Martin tome and read any of the paragraphs that you come to because it'll just be describing a feast and he will use other words other than feast. And that would be what you do. What about like a merge reception? It's like a reception at a wedding, right? The food is sort of implied.

[00:29:29] And then maybe you're also then trying to get people to dance. We'll get certainly get into dances in this episode, like making an entire social getaway. Yeah. Yeah. I think. OK, I'm going back to the whole lawyer Applebee's situation that I'm imagining as part of the contract or the contract. You cannot have a word that is better than feast. So I think that that's the issue because there's an argument to be made that banquet goes above or even potentially reception goes above feast.

[00:29:59] So I think it had to be something categorically below a feast in terms of magnitude. Yeah. Meal or lower. Obviously it has to be the top. Yeah. So. Meal or lower. What's lower? What do we get that's lower than meal? Snack? No, but snack sounds hot. Right? It's like, well, you're all getting that. Merged snacks. This task is already full of snacks. Yeah. The merge snack. I think Meal might be bottom rung. I don't know. I think snack is categorically smaller. I have it like a merge bite.

[00:30:30] Yeah. And it's just like a moose booshes. Yeah, exactly. Like a little tiny spoon of something. Tiny spoons. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the merge spoons. Not the merge spoons. But also, I mean, of course, in addition to the merge, the classic merge meal, we also had another birthing into Survivor moment because, of course, you have to be birthed into everything. Yeah. The amniotic mud is back, though.

[00:30:56] This is more so like, are they like reliving their own birth then? Considering that like they've already done it once more. Also, Survivor, I love you. You did have a guy fully dislocate his shoulder specifically by sticking his arm in the mud. Now, that doesn't matter. You really want to go back to that? Well, yeah, they do. They do. This is what killed Bruce, too, right? Yeah. Well, Bruce, it was more so a low overhanging than anything.

[00:31:25] I mean, it was also probably at least partly because of like the here you go down into the mud. But I don't think they really care, you know, we've got like seven staff doctors. It'll be fine. Jeff Probst loves mud, though. I don't think that, you know, in all the years that I spoke with Jeff Probst that it ever really came up like, so, Jeff, you a mud man? Because I wonder what I. Well, that's interesting. That's the first question I asked him. Who's your mud guy? And Jeff goes, oh, yeah, big mud guy.

[00:31:54] You know, like I feel like. I'm looking for my mud buds out here. I really wanted them. I really wanted them to name the merge tribe mud on blood versus water, but no one was going for it. I know that classic Survivor Borneo challenge where everyone threw themselves in the mud. That was my idea. That was a Probst original. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe the signs were there all along. He is a big mud guy. I think also. I thought you just said sides. And then I was like merge sides.

[00:32:24] That would be worse than a meal. So not that like I would be down for the sides because I'm sure that there's like lots of really good sides you could put out. But like, just like and then you're going to whoever wins, you get sides. And like, well, aren't isn't side decide. Yeah. Is that all the fix ins technically? Or is that different from all the fix ins? Well, all sides would be different than just sides. You know, I think I think the fix ins refer to the additional things. Yeah. Right.

[00:32:53] So I think it does count as the sides. What about like merge tapas? Just like sampling little things. Yeah, exactly. Like, all right. Where are you going to get the chicken wings? Don't get the quesadilla. Can we share? Can we share? You can share. No sharing. No sharing allowed. Jeff comes in. No sharing till you've had your mud. All right. Dump mud on you. Well, but the other thing too, again, it's not just the mud. It's the birthing part as well. And I think that that needs to be. Big birthing guy.

[00:33:22] Because big birthing guy, big mud guy, big birthing guy. It's like because he literally said, I wrote down the quote, birthing your way into the next phase of the game. I mean, I've only been birthed once. I'll ask my mom just to confirm. But I was only birthed once. So I think it's interesting that now we're birthing twice. Well, I wonder, is Jeff a practicing Buddhist? Could Jeff believe in the idea of reincarnation? And so he feels like this is the next life cycle of yours.

[00:33:50] Ironically enough, five other people have died in this game. You are the ones who live on. Now we'll see what you become next. Will you continue on this great path? You know, get reborn as a royal or a noble or will be you be reborn as a lowly bug and get squashed immediately? Hmm. Okay. So this is a very quick Google search. Okay. I don't claim to be an expert. So apologies if I get this wrong.

[00:34:15] But apparently in Buddhism, the metaphor Lotus in the mud symbolizes that challenges and suffering represented by the mud are necessary for growth and enlightenment represented by the Lotus. So just a thought throwing it out there. Jeff said, listen, bringing our people onto the white Lotus. I'm bringing the Lotus here. Yeah. Big Lotus guy. Yeah. The muddy Lotus. The muddy Lotus. He loves mud.

[00:34:42] I really think it might be as simple as my man loves mud. My man loves birth. Put them together. You get mud birth. His favorite thing. Should there be more mud is the question. Because I'm thinking about like stages of Survivor. Should everyone, once they make the jury, Jeff dumps a bunch of mud on them. You can't do that on television style. Do the final three. Is mud the new gap? Is that exactly? I mean, it is sort of like to Survivor.

[00:35:12] What slime is to Nickelodeon? No. How many times have you watched Double Dare where you have to wave through the murky slime to grab a flag? That's a survivor challenge. Essentially just brown up that that slime a little bit. What about like when someone's declared the winner? What a terrible kind of phrase. They have to go through the mud. I think that's the term we should use for like when something's really fun and somebody ruins it. Like somebody really browned up that slime. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[00:35:41] I don't think anyone's really explored the idea of not enough mud. I feel like that hasn't been the question that's really been asked. But I like some of the ideas we're throwing around today. Like mud. Like mud. We're slinging some mud in some ideas. Slinging the mud. Before we move on, I'd be remiss to not move on from mud to milk here. Oh my God. What? Chocolate milk. The mud of liquids. Wait, mud can be liquid, right?

[00:36:11] I mean, maybe the mud of ingestible liquids, I should say. The mud of beverages. Beverage mud. I mean, who would have thought that this was a way to not only to cause two of the biggest guys to bond over their frankly obscene dairy intakes. All right. I got questions for you. Both of you. You big, uh, you guys big milk guys? What do we do?

[00:36:37] Do we drink a lot of milk in our respective households? What do we do? I think I have an average relationship with milk. Like, I'll use it for coffee. And this is dairy, dairy milk. I will use it for coffee. Every once in a while, a bowl of cereal. Sure. And maybe if I have something really sweet, a glass of milk hits just right. But yeah, no, I mean, a gallon a day.

[00:37:04] We're not even going through a gallon a week in our house between two people. I mean, how much, how much milk are you doing? I am on the same level as Liana. And I will admit, so I used to be a rabid milk obsessive when I was a child. You read like a milk man. I was a very particular eater to the point where if my parents had the funds, they could have just posted a cow up in our living room and have me suck those udders till quite literally the cows came home.

[00:37:33] Is he like this every week? You know the answer to that. I do know the answer to that. But here's the thing. I sort of have forgotten in my twilight years what milk tastes like. And so my issue with milk is that if I were to drink a glass of it, I'd think, is this right? Am I, is this, is this spoiled? Or is this just what milk on a toe tastes like?

[00:37:58] How do you go from suckling the teat of a cow level of consumption to being like, I forgot what milk is. Is this a condition? P.T.S. Vitamin D? Is that what's going on, Mike? What is the milk? I think I might have gotten all. Everyone has like an allotted milk tolerance. And I think I expended it early on. I mean, not quite literally. I could intake dairy without any digestive issues.

[00:38:26] But like, maybe I got it all out of my system to the point where I have just completely decommissioned myself from remembering what milk on its own tastes like. Yeah. I don't want to actively drink something even with the sweet treat because I'm like, I don't know if the tastes match up. I'm sorry. My head is like, what's the condition of the milk? Is the milk spoiled? What? What is the what is the taste of milk? Can you describe that to me so I know for next time?

[00:38:56] I'm about to Instacart you some milk. Yeah. Next next podcast, you are drinking milk on the episode. I never thought that you'd be like lactophobic. This is a big surprise to me. I mean, it's not lactophobic. It's more so like lack anxiety of like, I'm not sure what this is going to provide for me. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, what do you mean? I'm really in a milk. You know what I mean? I'm in milkatory. We're like, there's this milk.

[00:39:26] And I'm like, I'm not sure what it's going to do. Well, how it's going to be at this moment. What do you mean of like what it's going to do? Like, what is it? No, no. I don't know if it's spoiled or not. That milk is going to take. The spoiled milk, I would imagine, as I've learned very recently, is not good for you. It'll have your dad spiking your glass out of your hand to avoid drinking it. Oh, sure. Yeah. The dairy's gone bad. That's my primary worry. I don't know. Let's play out the scenario. You go to the store.

[00:39:55] You buy a half gallon of milk that is unopened. You go home. You open it. You drink it. Yeah. That's probably not going to be spoiled, Mike. Like, if it is, you've got a lawsuit on your hands. Check the expediate. Obviously, obviously check the expiration date. It might have been obvious to Mike Broome. Because now I've gone in my head about, like, listen, the syllabi date is sort of suggested at this point. Like, it's not a hard and fast thing. So I'm like, OK, now it's two days past.

[00:40:26] Is this the right time? Can I still do this? Is the window cracked open or am I running headfirst into a sliding door right now? Taste-wise. Something's cracked for sure. Yeah, that I agree with. Oh, my God. You know what I'll say? I enjoy a glass of milk now and then for sure. I definitely it's got its time and its place for me. But I feel like a gallon of milk every day.

[00:40:54] A gallon of milk a day. It's like, I don't I don't think I have to ask David and Joe. Those are big mud guys. A gallon of milk a day. Well, my big mud guy making a lot of mud there. Yeah, don't use that particular mud. That sounds like that feels like some sort of like toxic primordial ooze that you're creating by drinking a gallon of milk a day.

[00:41:25] How many cups are in a gallon again? Oh, God. All right. Yeah. No, I think it's 16 cups, eight pints, four quarts. Sure. So just a quick, a quick little estimation. Eight pints. I go to the pub. I drink eight pints of milk a day. You mean eight cups in one pint? Is that what you're saying? No. OK, whatever. Mike's ineptitude when it comes to both milk and.

[00:41:54] No, a gallon is eight pints. I just looked it up. OK, this is something that's stuck in my cross in second grade. Finally come to fruition. How many cups in a gallon? 16. Yeah. OK, that's what I thought. Anyway. OK, whatever. The point. No, no, this is not the point. The point is, is that I did a quick Google search on whole milk, chocolate, whole milk. OK. Yeah. 210 calories per cup, meaning 3,360 calories per gallon.

[00:42:22] Like, how is that? Like, David must be running. I mean, I mean, obviously I get it. He's jacked. Like, he needs the calories to maintain his muscle mass. But oh my gosh. That's insane. Is that all he's consuming? Is it just milk? If I were to, for two days, I would drink like, what? Half a gallon? No, a gallon over two days or like a day and a half. And then that's all. Yeah, thank you, Mike. And then that's like all I would drink. That's wild. That's so much milk.

[00:42:50] Could it be that David's just been on an extreme liquid diet for years? Like, you know how there are the fruitarians or like those who eat bugs? Like David's been trying to peddle the all chocolate milk diet and he's the first customer. This is what ends up bringing the Sia money back because Sia is like, I'm also a chocolate milk drinker. I'm also pro chocolate milk. More money to don't you dare spend this on getting out of your trailer. Well, it's interesting.

[00:43:19] You must only spend this on more milk. Well, it's interesting, though, Liana, because I feel like could there be a Taylor Hale lays situation where granted? I mean, it's tough. If Survivor had live feeds, I would imagine David would be talking nonstop about particular brands. Obviously, that's going to get censored out. But there's a non-zero chance that Nesquik hops in those DMs and is like, oh, you want to do something for us? Want to do hashtag ad hashtag sponsor? Not since got milk.

[00:43:49] Have I heard so much about milk? OK, so the point where I will listen. There are sneak peeks of the next episode and we spoil things a bit. And the merge tribe named, I think it's Niu Nui, which is Fijian for cow's milk. You're kidding me. I am not. I wish I was. No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Say that all again. Every last word that you've said. Yes. So drink it in, Josh.

[00:44:15] The merge tribe name on Survivor 48, as will be revealed next episode, even though, again, you could assume that they merged in this episode, I believe is NIU space NUI. And according to many people out there, including some of the contestants themselves, it is roughly Fijian for cow's milk. OK, let's vet that. Let's do let's go English to Fijian translator.

[00:44:44] Let's cow's milk. Well, that was a different thing that ended up. It's Sukunibulu cow is what I got. I don't think Google's got this. I don't think it's got it. I think regardless, if the if the cast is saying that the intention was to name the tribe cow's milk and Fijian. Right. Like no matter how many translation sequences they went through to try to figure out like the word that was the intention.

[00:45:14] And I think we need to take the intention for what it is. They should just call it milk. Let's just call the tribe milk. Yeah, I like that idea. I mean, you could have a tribe. There's a tribe in Australian Survivor named fire. I feel like milk is the next logical step because then it's like, let's just forgive any sort of cultural pleasancies at this point. The aesthetic of the season is making up an entirely different culture. Now, why didn't they name it garlic? Garlic would have been fun.

[00:45:43] Garlic and milk feels like it doesn't feel it's not sitting well with me as we're talking right now. Very true. Actually, I do wonder, you know, obviously, last episode, we had the whole moment with David being fondly reunited with his milk with the soundtrack to support it. If David and or Joe had won, I wonder like the team challenge. I wonder if they would have had milk at that merge. I don't think there was any milk from what I saw. I didn't catch any milk clocked zero milk.

[00:46:14] So that that would that would track for me to some extent. But that would be some very weird favoritism of like like I know your favorite food is milk. Anytime you win. I know that it's all you eat. All you eat is milk. I mean, could that be, though? It's much like, you know, when vegetarians go on rewards, they offer some stuff for them to eat. Maybe that's the accommodations for David. It's like, I know you only drink chocolate milk.

[00:46:42] And unless you're going to be like Kyle from last season and like forego your diet plan, any port in a storm. David's sailing on right through. But I would imagine when it came to coming up with this tribe name, I hope we get a scene from it. I would imagine there was a very strong two percent, if you will. That was jockeying for this name and nobody else. They didn't skim on the name. Nope. They went not no half and half there, though. The vote was basically half and half. We're really milking it here with the milk stuff.

[00:47:12] Oh, I'd be remiss not to discuss what we are talking about. David and Joe, something that has certainly caught the attention of the Survivor fan base as well in terms of its discourse. I would love to check in on both of your perspectives on this. You know, we have one undercover alliance in Camilla and Kyle. And now it seems like we kind of have an undercover alliance on the shell of an undercover alliance in the form of these like strong people. Right. The jocks. It's Eva. It's Joe. It's Shaheen. It is David.

[00:47:42] And it is Kyle. And specifically, it's not just trying to have an alliance be built in muscle mass, but perhaps in moral mass as well. As David vocalizes, as Sheffield puts so well at Tribal Council, pretty firm ground to stand on for someone who had never cast a vote before in their Survivor career. We're getting rid of the social butterflies. We're getting rid of the puzzlers, the strategic players.

[00:48:07] It's time for the honest and integrous players to finally have their day in this sun. Again, suffice to say, it provided a lot of reactions from the Internet. Liana, what say you? Well, all I hear is Big Milk talking. They gave him those talking points. Milk stands behind honor and integrity and screw those nerds. Does the body good. It doesn't do a body evil. Exactly. Exactly.

[00:48:37] So obviously, that's where it's coming from. No, look, I think David's first. OK, so while I might not agree with David's perspective, I think for me, it's still interesting to have somebody come in and vocalize that. Because it just provides another dimension to the game, another player who's going to approach something differently. And unfortunately, I don't necessarily think it's going to work out the way David thinks, because we're already starting to see seeds of Kyle not trusting Shaheen. So there's so much.

[00:49:06] Oh, and the next time on that we got for this episode, Camilla saying, oh, we're going to pin this on Shaheen. So maybe Shaheen somehow is in the middle of all of this. But it just feels like this is not something that is going to last because we're already seeing it start to crack. Yeah. What do you think, Josh? Oh, it'll be real boring if this is it. You know, we got a lot of we got a lot of roads still ahead of us here. We just we we just merged. We just survived Mergatory.

[00:49:32] And now we're going to just be in, you know, California girls are gone. But the milkmen rise like I'm not here for it, though. I like a lot of them individually, almost all of them, I would think individually. But, you know, like we're the we're the integrous ones. We're the honorable ones. We're the good guys. It's Survivor. Miss me with that. That's very old school.

[00:49:58] And I guess I kind of like it because at this point, that level of old school feels a little different now. Yeah. But I won't like it if it succeeds, I think. That's a very good point. Yeah, from my perspective, I understand where David is coming from. Like the list he goes down is from now on, you're lying. You're manipulating. You're a strategist. You're a puzzle solver. You're a social player. Now you're the target.

[00:50:23] And I think from that meta perspective, again, I'm going to do a little bit of like Australian Survivor talk here. But I remember in Australian Survivor All-Stars, there was a player, a former AFL player, I believe, named Abby Holmes, who like formed this athletes alliance on her tribe. And people were up in arms basically being like, ugh, stupid meatheads alliance. Why are you doing this? Claiming that like you're the you know, you you all need to stick together when you normally have the alpha mentality in real life.

[00:50:51] But up to that point, Australian Survivor sort of had the meta of by and large, the people who succeeded the most were not those types. Those types almost always end up getting picked off because they're seen as threats. The ones who ended up winning are not too dissimilar from some new era winners that we saw, which is like just maintain your sort of middle of the road position perception wise, target wise. Take out the people that are more threatening than you towards the end of the game. Make yourself shine towards the end.

[00:51:19] Wind up sitting next to the right people. And you've got that million dollar check signed. And so I think it does make sense from David's perspective in that. We have not seen a person like him win this game in a long time. And so it wouldn't make sense from from his POV of I'm not the type of person that would usually win a new era season. So let me try to change that meta while I'm building the plane right now. I think unfortunately where it falls apart is the moral claim.

[00:51:46] You know, I would understand and I think a lot more people would have less grudges with this statement if it was like, hey, I know I'm usually targeted because I'm a threat due to. Being good in challenges. But let me show people that the true threats now are the ones who keep slipping to the end time and time again. But to instead also bank that on an implication that like you shouldn't need to play the game by lying and scheming. I think it's interesting, Josh, to your point that it seems a little anachronistic.

[00:52:14] And I think in the discourse as to like, can Survivor ever go back to that type of game? I suppose we're seeing this from this mentality. But it's never great in reality television in general where you are essentially playing like a goofy game show in a remote environment. You'll be like, we are the good people and they are the bad people. It is never going to turn out well for you.

[00:52:37] Well, what's interesting, too, is, you know, the previous week, Joe and Eva have this incredibly heartwarming moment. And they are, you know, America's favorite players for a whole week. And then now here they are on the on like the strong, the strong guy squad. And and and so, yeah, is it a strong bad? Is this the is this the are these the villains now?

[00:53:06] Because I feel like you would you would think kind of like this sort of has like, I don't know, Leon, does it smell like spoiled milk here? Does it seem like there's a little bit of a villainous aroma when we open the carton on this alliance? I mean, I think that's this for Mike. Well, yeah, exactly. This is Mike would not be able to tell. Right. So we know that we shouldn't use him.

[00:53:30] I look, I mean, the definitely the air, the the perception of the confessional was not positive. Right. And I think because they and they I think the editors could have edited it in a way that doesn't come across so preachy. And as Mike says, moralistic in terms of claiming that moral high ground. So I think from that perspective, it does scream a little bit villain. And I do wonder if that was a conscious choice, given the fact that, you know, charity a little bit was painted as a villain.

[00:53:59] So I'm curious if now like this is the new sort of villain that's coming out and sort of a little bit of a villain alliance. So I think it's going to be interesting to see how this narrative continues, because this was the first sort of element of negativity that I feel like we had with the oh, get the strong sort of people together. All right. Well, we mentioned charity. Let's keep the spotlight on her and talk about how we thought she would do preseason.

[00:54:27] Liana, did you think her game would rise in altitude or come crashing down? Yeah, no, she was she was flying, flying for a bit. At least I did have charity making the jury. I said charity. Yeah, OK. Charity flies through the premerge as Siva never once attends tribal council in the first half of the game. There you go. When the merge hits charity and the rest of her Siva alliance, a.k.a. C squared K squared.

[00:54:58] Don't I don't know why there's that. Well, I'm assuming that's charity, Chrissy, Camilla, Kyle. That's it. Yes. Those were the four. Yeah. Mm hmm. They do a fantastic job keeping their loyalty a secret. For example, they sacrifice Mitch, vote opposite to one another and generally maintain their distance. As the million dollar prize looms large, however, C squared K squared start dividing themselves. And David's going to vote you off just from this, by the way.

[00:55:29] It's too much man. I don't deserve milk. I don't deserve it. So so quote to make a long story less long. These actions self-sabotage and send charity home right before the finale. Charity will also give us a plethora of fun new nicknames for the cast, including but not limited to. The Daredevil Dynamo, Mr. Fitness Frenzy and the Blaze Queen. So I think the Blaze Queen is clean.

[00:55:59] That was she in the dream blunt rotation or the nightmare blunt rotation, the Blaze Queen. So, I mean, if we could see more of Chrissy, that would be very helpful to have an understanding. I thought I was going to be a star because, of course, she reminds us of Crystal Cox, who famously had beauty, brains, brawn and blazing speed. Sure. Of course. Of course. No, these were all, I think, Siva nicknames, if I remember correctly. So the Daredevil Dynamo was David. Mr. Fitness Frenzy was Mitch because he was a PE teacher, I think.

[00:56:27] And then the Blaze Queen was, of course, Chrissy is a fire lieutenant. So I said that her allies were Chrissy and K-squared, but her enemy was the square root of K-squared plus the storm chasers. Jesus Christ, Leon. I know. I know. I know. It's complicated. The point was is that it's actually. The square root? It's Camilla specifically, not both Kyle and Camilla, because I believe I had Kyle going earlier than Charity.

[00:56:57] So that's why it's the square root of K-squared, just K, which would be Camilla in the second stance. Okay. Oh, God. I should have need a graphic calculator for your prediction. I got it. Yeah, get your TI-83 out, baby. We're going for it. All right. Well, it's pretty close enough until a point. So I want a little more, I want a little more of my SAT component than Liana's mathematic portion.

[00:57:24] But we got to the same score at the end of the day as I had Charity also making the jury. Here's what I had to say. Wanting to play Survivor to make up for lost time, Charity plays like she has none. That means she'll become the Tony the Rat she wishes to see in the world, aggressively hunting for idols from the jump. When Charity finds her tribe's idol, she believes her game is clear for takeoff.

[00:57:48] However, her take-charge attitude gives her a lot of turbulence, especially when other natural-born leaders like David and Chrissy bulk at her orders. Charity will not be afraid to speak her mind on the map, something that makes a bristly first impression with the other tribes before they even get the chance to meet at Mergatory. Once the game turns individual, Charity becomes public enemy number one, someone who nobody is particularly close to.

[00:58:12] But when she pulls off a clutch immunity win, it scuttles the plan more than a wayward baggage carousel. While perceived as an easy next one out, Charity is brought in as a wild card on a couple of votes, controlled by the Sivas that she assumes she's in an alliance with. At a certain point, though, the deckery scrambles, and when she begins moving the metaphoric beverage cart to another row, that means it's time to put her game on way too much ice.

[00:58:40] Charity will make subsequent claims in her exit press that they had to get rid of her first, or she had a path laid out to win the entire thing, which will prompt quite the subtweets from her cast members. Her ally was Siva. Her enemy was Siva. Mm-hmm. Suzy's okay. Did you pick that up? I wasn't sure. I was making sure I got it. Yeah, you should have had more references, Mike, but not enough.

[00:59:10] I'm sorry, they got taken out of TSA. Yeah, sir, you're only allowed to have eight ounces of references. Whatever I fly out to them. Tons. Yeah. You're going to have to check that. All right, well, Josh, keep us in check here. Who do you think was more on the money with the predictions we gave to Charity?

[00:59:31] I really think it strays for Liana once we get to the mergatory jury phase. But otherwise, it was exactly basically what we saw with Charity. So I'm going to give a point to Liana here, I think. Thank you, Josh. I also realized what I was describing for Charity was basically what happened with Say, where it's like, Yeah, mine's an idol. Yeah. It's like one of the most vocal people on her tribe.

[01:00:00] Are your predictions just like a disassembled mishmash of like you have to reshuffle them, but you've got everybody right, basically? Yeah, I think I'm really the Isaac Mendez from Heroes of this, where I am just painting a loose picture of what happens to this person. His eyes would get milky white. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. And then it turns out that no, it's actually referring to another player entirely. And I missed the faded cast away. Oh, so close. All right.

[01:00:28] Well, we are very close to our next game here. But first, we have to talk about what prompts this game, because you talk about how this was an episode that was full of delightful, funny WTF moments. And maybe no moment represents that better than metaphors, just the metaphor rumspringa we had at tribal council, where first off, Mary's comparing everybody to dogs at a dog park.

[01:00:52] And Shaheen is talking about how this is like going from, you know, a small gathering of friends to a big house party. And Jeff says, OK, forget the dog park. I want to focus on this party thing. And then he proceeds to talk about this twice. That's the wild thing. Forget the dog park, man. I want to talk about the cat's meow. Yeah.

[01:01:13] So he gets into this first comparison about how, you know, oh, you're going to this party and you're doing one dance and everyone's doing another dance. And everyone's like laughing, you know, joking like, oh, Jeff's in on our reference. Isn't that a great time? And then later in tribal council where people have full and well moved on, Jeff's like, yeah, but let's check it back in on that house party metaphor. Because I thought of something else. Propes is raving. He's raving.

[01:01:43] He's ranting and raving here at this house party. Liana, what does he know more at this point about love or parties? Well, it depends. Are we talking about love, like in terms of relationships between siblings or family members? Because I feel like there's still a big gap there. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think to me, like the most interesting thing was, yeah, this sort of like fascination, which even prompts Camilla to sort of say, man, that man loves dancing.

[01:02:13] Which I think is funny. So she made the line of the episode for me. Between that and I don't know if you all noticed when Mary was making the dog part analogy, it just cuts to Camilla going woof, woof, woof. Yes. So good. Yeah. More of an obsession. Yeah. And then this is where Club Condo comes in with just some simultaneously clarifies.

[01:02:37] It also deepens any sort of mythos as to what this place is of like, if you're going, you're not going to a house party, you're going to Club Condo, which I guess is a, is that the Applebee's feast? If the, if the regular house party was the meal, this is like an exclusive VIP experience where you can do the robot and the boss of Nova and nobody will judge you. Yeah. Club Condo is cool. I really wanted to go to haunted house though. Exactly. Everyone's going to haunted house.

[01:03:06] I just, it's just sometimes there's moments where like, is Jeff a real person? What is happening right now? But so delightful, right? In the same way that I question sometimes Cedric's choices. I'm also questioning Jeff's, but in the way that makes it just so entertaining. So I truly no complaints here. 25 years and counting, right?

[01:03:27] Like this is for, for, I would say for all of us currently either on this podcast or listening to this podcast, it's been a hobby of ours for a very long time to remark upon and acknowledge Jeff Probst. It's like, like, like an inhuman behavior. Like this could, like he could be just a, you know, an alien in like a flesh suit. I don't know.

[01:03:57] He does a pretty good robot. Could be, could be a robot. I mean, what I, what is so interesting though, Josh, you really unlocked this idea in my head that like Jeff was in this moment kind of an, I think you should leave character. Right. We're like, we see that time and time again, where the one character has this thing stuck in their head. It's the, it's the Patty. Christmas came early. Yes, exactly. I was about to say the Patty Harrison Christmas came early person. Exactly. Where they just take this one thing and they will not leave it be.

[01:04:25] And that was kind of Jeff with the house party this week that everyone else had moved on and Jeff was still back at. All right. But if I'm doing the boss and Nova, which like Jeff, you eat, the more you talk to us about your upbringing, the more honestly, positively fascinated I am by like the life that has, has culminated into the person that you are that is running this show. We love so much. Who's doing the boss and Nova.

[01:04:55] He shouted out his brother in this one too. Isn't that right? He started out his, uh, his middle brother, not his, not his youngest brother, Scotty did not get to mention. Yeah. He loves his middle brother. Do you think he had to do the boss and Nova didn't it? Was he like a water boy or something? I feel like we heard that. He was, he was, that was the story with Brandon Donland's boot that he was the water boy on the basketball team. Yeah.

[01:05:16] So I'm imagining him just entertaining the team so much, but then there was also the story about how he grew up in Kansas, but then had to change schools to go to Washington. Again, I'm, I'm piecing together slowly the pieces of mythos that Jeff has developed over these tribal councils. That's why I'm grateful for them is because we just get great Jeff hopes lore every like 15 episodes or so. This is, I mean, there was some vintage Jeffrey in this episode.

[01:05:43] I think, uh, Jeff was wiling out at tribal council. I like my middle brother. Shout out. What is his name? Ken. I think I thought it began with an S. Yeah, I don't, I don't remember. There's only so much I can keep up. Shout out to that guy. Yeah. Jeff is just, oh no, Brent, Brent was his middle brother. Brent. Brent. Yes, of course. How could we forget? Last Brent. Yeah. Because, uh, say was talking about like, uh, yeah. Brent Probst.

[01:06:12] Cause, uh, you know, they were talking about like, oh, this is a dysfunctional family. And say is like, yeah, just like in any family, the middle children don't get love. And Jeff's like, just so everyone's clear. I know you all have this top of mind right now. I love my middle brother. And he got lots of love. Okay. That feels like the kind of thing that you say without, uh, provocation because you're very ashamed of how you treated your middle brother once upon a time. Yes.

[01:06:41] You did not have to volunteer that. No one was thinking that, right? No one was considering that. Yeah, exactly. Josh, you're the one who brought that up and the fact that you brought that up and clarified that that's the best part. Yeah. That's really sus. I wouldn't have even thought like twice about like, I wonder if Jeff has a middle brother, you know, like that wouldn't have even come close to crossing my mind. You could have 17 different survivor podcasts on RHAP in a given week. And the question of, I wonder if Jeff has a middle brother, it wouldn't have come up. It would not have happened.

[01:07:12] But I think I, on top of that, not just does Jeff have a middle brother? Does Jeff have a middle brother that didn't get enough love as a child? Right. That's like the added element. No one's wondering that. No one's thinking that. Do you think when Brent Probst was born, he came out in a pool of mud? Obviously, the entire Probst family tradition. You come either C-sections or out of the amniotic sack and straight through a little bit of mud. Crawl through it.

[01:07:44] I've never heard of the mudslide birth tactic. Look, some people do a water birth. The Probst did a mud birth. Okay. Mud birth. Mud birth. Well, I hope to not muddy the waters for you with this next game here. Because Jeff, as he usually does, inspired me. And we do this a lot here on the B&B, where I survey the listeners.

[01:08:09] And I give them an option of several things in a certain category for them to assign to the players of the currently existing season. And this time, we're dancing, baby. I have taken a list of dance moves. And you two are going to try to figure out who the audience guessed as the person who most represents that dance move. Of the cast of Survivor 48. Yes.

[01:08:38] So the way this is going to work is that I am going to bring up a dance move. And then we'll go back and forth. You will give me the name of a person that you think the audience voted for the most. We are doing this family feud style where the percentage of votes that were gotten will culminate into a score. So if it got 70% of the votes, you will get 70 points. We'll keep going back and forth until we're done with the survey.

[01:09:06] And the person with the most overall points will take home the win. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The most too qualified people to talk about dancing. I mean, they call me Wiggler. You know? I was going to say. You were doing a little bit of like the bossa nova during that one video that... No, I think that was a video of Jordan Kalish dancing to the Josh Wiggler song. Oh. When did that happen? At a wedding, I think. What?

[01:09:36] I don't know why I know this. I don't know why I don't remember what the taste of milk is, but I remember Jordan Kalish. We don't want to know. There's a lot that I'm basking in right now. I just want to hold that very dear to my heart for a while. All right. Well, let us start with a move that Jeff had referenced during, again, his extended analogy. So, Josh, and this is everyone on Survivor 48. So, that includes everyone who's been voted out through this episode. Oh, wow. Okay. You may want to bring up a list of the contestants as well.

[01:10:06] Yeah, definitely. Oh, my gosh. But, which Survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of the robot? Okay. So, we're starting with the robot. So, would it be like a game bot? Is that the way that we're trying to think about this? Or is it like who would be best at the dance? Honestly, it was all in the eye of the survey folks here.

[01:10:34] So, it could be a lot of different criteria that they use. Can people get multiple dances? Yep. Okay. So, it's not going to be one assigned to one. Got it. Okay. I feel like Joe Bot. I want to say it's the Joe Bot. The Joe Bot. Joe Do the Robot. Okay. Joe Bot for the Josh Bot. Liana, what about you? Yeah. I'm sort of torn between two people. Cedric and Kyle.

[01:11:04] I feel like Kyle has a sort of logical, you know, lawyer-y kind of game body-ness maybe. But Cedric also, you know, he's a bot doctor. All right? Not a bot doctor. And he might use some robots. Yeah. Throughout that process. And also, I don't know. Cedric maybe seems a little bit robotic. So, I think I'm going to ultimately land with Cedric. Josh, I have some slightly bad news for you.

[01:11:31] Not a great prognosis at the moment. Because Cedric received 47.3% of the votes. Just a robot. And Joe received 5.3% by comparison. What's that bad, though? 53 points, right? Yeah, yeah. So, you are behind by us, Mitch. Is that how that works? But Cedric obviously had the most votes. Nearly half. A second was Justin. Oh. Okay.

[01:12:02] That kind of tracks for me. And then third was David with 7.1%. Okay. Oh, interesting. Okay. All right. Trying to get a sense of the viewers. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good David. All right. So, we had a nice little temperature take in here. So, let's move into our next one. Liana, we'll start with you. Let's talk about Jeff's other oft-quoted move here. Which Survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of the bossa nova? Oh, boy.

[01:12:32] Okay. So, let me look at the list. We're thinking like loosey-goosey, flowy, right? Like that kind of energy. I'm going to go with Mary as my option. Okay. And Josh? Josh. I'm trying to think of who among the Survivor 48 players reads the most like a Ninja Turtle.

[01:12:59] Because I feel like, I think bossa nova, I feel like for whatever reason, I just imagine a Ninja Turtle saying bossa nova. And Justin loved pizza. So, and Justin was on the mind of the people. So, I'm going to go Justin. Justin bossa nova. Okay. Bossa nova is a great name for a pizza place. All right. Well, it's a great name for a pizza place. It's not a great pick for you, Josh. Justin got 4% of the vote.

[01:13:29] Okay. But Liana, don't think too highly because Mary got 5%. Yay! We nailed it, Josh. Enough to do it. The top vote-getter with 19.5%, Joe. I should have stuck with Joe. Okay. You know what? Yeah, I can see that. I can totally see that. I guess in the way that, like, Jeff personified bossa nova. It felt like a very dad dance, which I think makes sense because Joe is the most dad-coded. The problem is the way that Jeff did all the dances was very dad-coded.

[01:13:59] That's very true, actually, by default. Second place. Jeff describing dancing, crying. Because I'm a father, too. Second place was David, again. No, David was third last time. And third place was Shaheen. Okay. Shaheen was the one who was involved in the analogy, so maybe he got associated there. That makes sense. Yeah, I could see that. All right. Now, the training wheels are off. Now, I just threw out a bunch of random- You were training wheels on? Yes.

[01:14:29] So, good luck on this bike, Wiggler. Because I just threw out a bunch of random dances and had people, you know, go with their guts here. Josh, which Survivor 8 contestant reminds you the most of the Macarena? Why did I know it was going to be the Macarena? I wish that I had said it out loud because I knew it. I knew it was going to be the Macarena. I think because I figured that that's probably, like, the first dance move that you know, Mike.

[01:14:57] I think the Macarena, like, when you're freelancing out and now you have to assemble your own dance list, Macarena is coming number one for Mike. Number one is probably Sprinkler for me. Oh. Sprinkler? Because it feels a little more off the beaten path. It's like that game they put on the- Sprinkler for me right now? I'd like to see Celery Man. Could you do the Sprinkler? Yes. Okay. Yep. Mike Bloom does a good Sprinkler, folks. Thank you. I've been working hard on that one. Who does the good Macarena? Okay.

[01:15:26] So, someone who was dancing in the 90s. Who was dancing in the 90s? I mean, this is a cast that's in their 30s by a considerable margin. So, it's actually not going to be that small of a net to cast. I'm going to go with Joe again because I veered away from Joe and I shouldn't have. So, I'm going to say Joe does the Macarena. Okay. Liana? Yeah. I'm also going to math. I'm going to say David. I feel like David's on the mind. Let's try it. Yeah. All right.

[01:15:56] Well, Liana, you were slightly on the mind of the viewers here. David came in third place with 10.7 points. Josh, Joe, more of a bossa nova guy, evidently. He only got 3.6% of the votes. The number one. Now, this is a bit of a more evenly split dance, but the number one by 13.6%. Mary. Oh. I don't know that there's any real logical through line to any of this.

[01:16:25] I think we could just say names and like our odds of getting close to the money. Don't say that out loud. I'm sorry. I just think that that's kind of what's going on. No, this is like the Bellachio B&B games. It's skill. No. No, you're right. It's a skill-based game. I apologize. I apologize. Oh, sorry. Yeah. There's no dice involved, Josh. Okay. This is skill, not luck. Come on. I will say my personal guess would have been the person who came in second place with 11.2% Chrissy. Oh, Chrissy. Yeah. Okay.

[01:16:55] Okay. Carla. Josh. Carla. Carla does the Macarena for sure. I get that. I see that. Okay. All right. Well, the barrage of white people dances continues here. Liana, we're going to another wedding favorite. Which Survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of the cha-cha slide? See, this is what I was going to say for Chrissy. So now I'm a little bit concerned because so many people thought that she was more Macarena than cha-cha slide.

[01:17:22] But I think I'm going to stick with my like gut and I'm going to say Chrissy. Okay. Chrissy. Cha-cha slide. You got to be like a little smooth, right? I feel like cha-cha, cha-cha now y'all. Turn it up. Who's going to do it? Who's going to do the cha-cha? It's a shame Christina. Cha-cha is not on this season. Ah, so close. Because anytime she slides, it counts.

[01:17:50] Who's like the, who's like the smoothest? I think I'm going to go with Kyle. I think Kyle can rock the cha-cha slide. He seems like, I think he's the coolest guy on the cast. Kyle. Cool guy Kyle doing the cha-cha. Okay. Okay. Uh, well. That's an opinion that is not shared by anybody who took this survey. What is it? Mike, that doesn't say anything. Nobody said Kyle.

[01:18:22] Liana. I've never seen anyone dance before. Okay. The good news, Liana, is, uh, two people said Chrissy, which culminates in 1.2% of the vote. Uh, number one here, star. Okay. Which I can imagine. Especially that's sliding around. And number two is Mitch. Mitch! Mitch was on my mind. Yes. Mitch was on my mind. Yes.

[01:18:51] I can see it. Where did Joe land? Oh, let's see. Always a good question. Uh, you know, I think Joe wound up in the Kyle spot. He did not get chosen for this one. Wow. Okay. All right. Okay. I guess it's sort of like the, uh, would you rather have a Macarena daughter or a cha-cha slide son? I feel like people, uh, is that a thing? Is it, was it like a thought daughter or a gay son, right? That was the conundrum. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:19:19] That's a, that's a version of that question, Mike, that I never, ever expected to hear. I'm going to ask that out on Survivor 49 preseason. Please. Watch out people. There you go. Yes. All right. Next up here. I believe it's Josh this time. Which Survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most? Of the Cotton Eye Joe? It's Joe. Now take those first two letters and drop it and add an NGALINE. It's called GALINE.

[01:19:49] Take away his microphone. Again, exactly how you just did it, Mike, actually. Chop all the letters except for CO. Add an NGALINE. It's KONGA. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. So who's best at the NGALINE? Is what I'm trying to figure out now. I feel like Joe. Okay. I feel like Joe, I feel like Joe doesn't. I feel like Joe, like at the, at the, at the reception, you know, is the one who's like,

[01:20:19] Oh, come on, everybody. Congo time. That feels like a Joe thing to do. Yeah. It does feel very community based. Right? Like, come on. If we all get together. Yeah. We can let our bygones and bygones. If we put our hands on our shoulders, we can get around this room together. Yeah. All right. Liana. I feel like there's two lines of logic. You can go with it. You can go call the line. It's in like a follower. Congo line. Or you can go with the leader of the Congo line. Passengers. Yes.

[01:20:48] Are you the leader of the Congo line or the follower? Jeff's going to love it. He's a big dancing guy. Just throw in some mud and then you'll be totally set. So from that perspective, I'm kind of like I'm all over the place because I think you could use that logic really in any direction. So I think I'm just going to go with somebody who I could see leading the Congo line. And I'm going to go with Shaheen. Yeah, that's a good bet. He's leading it. Okay.

[01:21:14] So we have Shaheen got 5.3% of the votes. And Joe ended up getting he was certainly on the list. He got higher. He got 8.8%. I won one. You did one. I think I would be of the three. The Congo line would be me. That's what I would do. Hard to mess up the Congo line. That's true. Yeah. Basically just a massage train with motion.

[01:21:45] You don't have. I wouldn't like the Congo line, but it'd be hard to mess it up. The Congo line is tough when you're involved in the middle of it because you feel a succinct pressure to be like, if I feel uncomfortable, I cannot break up the momentum right now. I am drawing a line in the sand if I vacate my spot right now. If you're in the front or in the back, it's much easier to leave. No, but there's a move. There's a move for it. One hand on the hip of the person in front of you.

[01:22:11] Your other hand grabs the hand of the person behind you and grabs their hand, moves it to connect with the person in front of you as you slide out. Oh, man. There is a move for it, baby. That's sneaky as hell. I love that. You do it while you're moving. If you can do it while they're moving their hand forward and your hips go up, you just slide. Boom. You're out. That's smooth as silk, Liana. Wow. I'm an expert.

[01:22:41] You've escaped a few conga lines, it sounds like. Yeah. I'm like, I don't want to be a part of this anymore. Let me out of this conga line. All right. Let's move into another dance here. And I'm incredibly intrigued to see how experienced the two of you are in this one. Liana, which Survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of the Dougie? Mm-hmm. Oh, that's my cat. You can teach me how to. Okay.

[01:23:10] So, again, I'm thinking like smooth, right? Someone who's like very smooth, very with it. And I feel like, oh, was Shaheen the other one that I think we ascribed to like being a little bit, you know, smooth with the bossa nova of it all? So, I think I'm going to stick with my guess of Shaheen. He's going to hit at some point. Okay. Liana going with Shaheen. Josh, now you have a connection to the Dougie. Yeah. You have an in-house Dougie. I have my Dougie. I think.

[01:23:40] Could you teach me how to Dougie? I don't understand what it even is. All right. Let me demonstrate it. Yes. All right. Here goes my head. I think. Is it something like this? It's like, no, your hand goes up next to your. Goes up like that? Yeah. Yeah. So, you're kind of like wiping at your face a little. You know what it reminds me of? And this is of no disrespect to the people who invented the Dougie. It reminds me of like in a very Brady movie when Marcia's training.

[01:24:09] Keep on. Keep on. The dance that everyone joins in on. It's sort of like that. I was keeping that. You did a very good version of the Brady Bunch dance. That's all I know how to do, Josh. Yeah. I only knew how to do things one way. And that's full Brady. Oh, Brady. All right. Well, after that perfect demonstration, do you have a choice here for who best represents the Dougie? Oh. Yo. OK. Going with Joe.

[01:24:40] The goose eggs, unfortunately, will return. Josh. Joe not picked for the Dougie. And Liana, 4.8% said Shaheen. Top choice here, star. OK. OK. And 28.6%. Then Kyle with 18.5%. OK. Yeah. OK. And then say with 17.3%. Yeah. OK. All right. Yep.

[01:25:09] That's very funny to me. OK. Figure out how to do a survivor dance off at some point. Like, hey, anyone's got the reach for this. I feel like RHAP could put together like a true survivor dance off at like a New York event. You got served, Ivor. Yes. Look, is it going to take a little bit of explanation? Potentially. I don't care.

[01:25:37] Is that like when we bring legal papers to survivor? Ivor. Yep. Exactly. The traders. Lord Ivor. I mean, look, you got served more ways than one. Yeah. All right. Next up, we're going to the kids here. Josh, which survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of flossing? Any dentists on the cast? No, there are no dentists.

[01:26:07] In fact, Charity said that she got five cavities allegedly out on Survivor. She reminds me of the floss because she really could use some. Are you picking her? Yeah. Okay. Like 13 days. How does she develop that? I call BS on that. Okay. I think she's like scapegoating survivor for the fact that she like never learned how to brush her teeth.

[01:26:32] She claims that it was probably due to because she had the coffee during the pastries reward and she didn't brush her teeth after that. So I think she thinks that maybe the acidity of the coffee was what did it. Okay. Anyway. All right. Liana, clearly you have thoughts about that. How do you feel about flossing with survivor contestants? Okay. So obviously the first thing I thought of was backpack kid, right? And the backpack kid, which I believe you even use as the picture for the survey.

[01:27:00] So as a consequence of that, I'm thinking about the person who is maybe the closest in proximity to children with backpacks. Oh, whatever. I'm going with Mitch. Okay. Like. Okay. So your logic by Mitch is that because there was a backpack kid who flossed, whoever is most likely to have been seen within a certain radius of a kid with a backpack. Of a kid with a backpack.

[01:27:26] I don't know if that's saying something about any orders that are put in against the other survivor contestants. Yeah. Well, not a lot of people use that logic, Liana. So only 6.5% for Mitch. But I will say that Charity dug a bit of a cavity in the ratings as well. 2.9%. Hey, what's up with voting for her? Number one choice here. Camilla. Oh, Camilla, because she's so short. Because she's like smaller.

[01:27:57] I guess Mary is up there as well. Justin was up there for some reason. Okay. I don't see it. But look, there's so many different lines of logic. You know what I mean? So. Okay. I think I resigned from the dance off. I think I've just, I've, I've blown it. I've done so poorly here at the dance off. I'm going to, this is like when I auditioned for first year players freshman year at Syracuse for how to succeed in business without really trying. And I did really well in the acting audition and the singing part. And then I had to do the dance part.

[01:28:26] And then I split my pants during the dance off and had to go back up to Mount Olympus with my split pants khakis. And I'd never forgot about it. And I think this is like the seventh podcast I've brought it up in at some point in my life. So yeah, I think I'm, I think I'm done. I was throwing in the towel. So I'm throwing in the split khaki. I'm done. I can't. How about you and Liana work together here? By the way, you're basically describing how Sandra Diaz Twine has won Survivor twice. I'm like, you don't need to be good at everything, right?

[01:28:55] You're like, you killed it at these other two parts of the game. You might not be known as one of the best dancers, but that's okay. Because those are million dollar pants you're splitting. It doesn't matter how much you killed the game with. I split my pants. I split my pants. I split my pants. All I hear is Josh Wiggler lowering his threat level. Okay. And I won't stand for it. Yeah. I'm Dan Stark. Yeah. I knew it. I knew it. All right.

[01:29:21] Well then maybe we'll make this cooperative instead of, uh, instead of, you know, combative. Let's have a two. Keep it running. Keep it running. You know, second win. Second win. I'm back. I'm ready to go. Same thing over and over again. It's a joke. And pokey. Gonna hit. One day. Gonna hit. He's a dad.

[01:29:51] Pokey pokey is a big dad dance, I think. Yeah. That's a good point. Ooh. See, I, oh my God was saying, all right, whatever. I'm just gonna stick with it. I'm gonna say David. David. Okay. Uh, this was a rare David miss. David only got 4.1% of the vote, but Joe got 1.8. What? Come on. Jokey pokey. Jokey pokey. Joe was a better guess. People are not going for the pun, but we forget, much like the edit does, about Chrissy, who

[01:30:20] got 29.2% of the vote. Chrissy. Uh, I can see it. Uh, second place was Cedric. Uh, third place was Charity. Cedric was a great. Pick for hokey pokey and I feel very stupid not picking Cedric. Yeah, he does a lot of hokey and poking as your butt dog. Yeah. Pokey pokey has Cedric all over it. My bad. All right.

[01:30:45] Well, speaking of Cedric, and maybe this will play into who you choose, Liana, for this next one. Which Survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of twerking? Yeah. Lock it in, Cedric. I can't not. Throw that butt in a circle, Cedric. All right. Low hanging fruit. And that fruit is a peach for Liana. Josh, what about you? Uh, I have. Can I also say Cedric? Because I think this is going to be, but we're going to get butt stuff here, I think.

[01:31:15] You think that. But the internet loves to zig when we zag. And Cedric only got 4.1% of the vote. Which does make sense because look, obviously there is the biological connotation. But if I were to think about which Survivor would be most likely to twerk, there is a number one answer and it is Mary. No, I was going to say Thomas.

[01:31:46] I feel like Thomas can twerk. Yeah. Twerking Tom is what they called him out there. But Mary got nearly 25% of the vote. Second place, Say, who got Mary and Say right next to each other there. Maybe that's how they bonded on the island. And Thomas was in third place with 12.9%. Yep. There we go. All right. Okay. Next up. Where was Joe in that? In the twerking? Always a great question. Joe got. Oh boy. What's that sliver?

[01:32:15] Joe got one vote. Okay. You would have gotten something if you had said. We know that Josh filled out that survey now. Okay. Josh, which Survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of the running man? Is that so you're just running in place? The running man? Yes. Are there any professional runners? In the. No, I don't think we have any cross. Well, Mitch does do like ultra marathons. Okay. And is that well known?

[01:32:43] I mean, he's talked about it before. Joe. All right. Joe and Liana. Sorry. It was the pause. And then Joe. Like, okay, Josh. No. So I'm not going to lie. Mitch again was the first person who popped into my head, but I'm going to hope for recency bias because there is one woman say who popped out of that jungle and ran towards that advantage.

[01:33:13] She was birthed into this game. Indeed. So I'm going to go against my first gut instinct and I'm going to say say. Okay. Say. Got 6.4% of the vote. I will say, Liana, Mitch got 11.6% of the vote. Josh Wiggler. Joe Hunter got 15.7% of the vote. The number one answer on the board. Josh.

[01:33:44] This is why you never quit Survivor. Yay. Deep. Yes. Wow. I love it. I'm so impressed. All right. Got a couple more left here. Liana. Yeah. Class here. Let's class up this joint. Which Survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of a waltz? Okay. So I'm thinking something that is structured and beautiful and well orchestrated, much

[01:34:11] like Kyle and Camilla's move when they were outnumbered. So I'm going to give it to the man who played the idol, Kyle. But I think both would be a good answer. All right. And Josh? I am going to say Joe again. But it's like Joe is giving me true lies. Arnold Schwarzenegger doing the waltz. Joe holds Eva so carefully, like very, like very gentle.

[01:34:38] Like I feel like Joe strolls up to the wedding floor. Stealth waltzer. I think. I'm going to say Joe. All right. Well, he wasn't number one, but he was number two in the votes this time. Joe got 11.1% of the vote. But Liana, you weren't far behind. Kyle got 8.8% of the vote. Okay. I'll take it. Wait, then who is number one?

[01:35:05] Number one was Cedric with 12.9% of the vote. And a lot of those. But Dr. Galas. He's going to. Though I can imagine what happens is that it's like at one of these like Regency era dances where like Cedric's dancing with a possible mate and then like spins them away. And then another one comes sliding up. He's just like consistently bringing people in and exposing them. He's constantly voting out his dance partner. The Merge Gala, by the way. Oh, I like that. That's a good one. Right? Is it above feast? That's the only concern.

[01:35:36] You have a feast at the gala, maybe? Sometimes. Yeah, they're equivalent, I feel like. I think you kind of get a meal at a gala. Hmm. And I will say that so it was Cedric first, Joe second, Camilla wasn't third. So Liana, you were on the right track. Oh, wow. Kyle and Camilla were both up there. Charity also up there as well. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Last but not least, Josh.

[01:36:04] Which Survivor 48 contestant reminds you the most of interpretive dance? One could argue this entire game should be called interpretive dance. Interpretive dance. I'm not going to pick Joe this time. So that's like outside the box. Creative. What's the name of the person who got voted out first? Stephanie. Stephanie. I'm banking on people remembering who she is, but I'm going to pick Stephanie.

[01:36:34] I feel like Stephanie is an interpretive dancer. I feel like she has a lot of like Courtney Merritt energy. I just, I don't know why. My first gut was Star. And I just, I'm going to stick with it. I just feel like the expressive energy and the movement and like something about the way she moves her body very much gives me interpretive dance. That was an interpretive dance up to the booth. Yeah. The pen was purposeful. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Star did get 14.7% of the vote.

[01:37:04] In first place was say with 18.8% of the vote. Tied with Stephanie. Whoa. What? See? Don't call it a comeback. He wins an interpretive dance finishing with the exact same number of votes as well. That's amazing. That's actually amazing. Wow. You could not write that. I love that. Wow.

[01:37:32] Storybook ending for you, Josh. How many votes did Joe get on interpretive dance? Oh, good question. He got. That would be zero. Which you probably need to score the Joe gets in the interpretive dance competition. Yeah. Josh, you did make up a lot of ground here, but Liana got first to the puzzle and she was able to use that time to get off to a very early lead with that Cedric guess. So Liana does win. But Josh, listen, after that. I crossed the balance beam.

[01:38:02] I crossed the balance beam. I was ready to give up. And everyone was like, you can't. You can't. And you had a little bit of that Cedric moment where you're just like, I'm crumbling right now. But you gave yourself that talk and you pushed forward and you had a very respectable finish here. Wiggy. I hope a star does cameo to get those types of talk. Oh, I hope so as well. I hope so as well. Inevitable. Inevitable. All right. Well, Josh, as we say goodbye to charity this week, we invite, as always, the opportunity

[01:38:31] for you to say hello to a very different one. As always, we give some time at the end of every podcast for a guest on the B&B to highlight a charity or a cause that is important to them that you want listeners to know about. What would you like to plug this week? Oh, my gosh. I was totally unprepared for this. Let me think. And again, a charity, not charity, just as we have to say now. And I feel like every single episode. Yeah. Just to clarify.

[01:39:00] Although I guess suppose we could set up a GoFundMe for charity and then you could donate charity to charity. That would be the best rug pull in Survivor history is like, oh, we're donating to charity. And it's like, no, you're donating to the person. Is there any charities that we can set up for Mike Bloom to get past his issues with milk? I have no issue with milk. Yeah.

[01:39:28] No, I agree, Josh. This is a prevalent issue. I think we need to invest some funding in this. I agree. Um, I just because I totally forgot about this. I did. So I am doing this a little off the cuff. So I haven't vetted the charity. But I do just want to say when you start searching for milk charity, um, milk, milk,

[01:39:52] charity, milk, charity, Glasgow shows up, uh, founded in 2014, a social enterprise set up to support women from a migrant background, including refugees and asylum seekers. It's a catering company and community space in the South side of Glasgow. I'm going to go with milk, Glasgow. Okay. You know, Leon and I have been doing this podcast for now our 19th season.

[01:40:21] I don't think I've ever had a charity get plugged like milk, Glasgow, milk, Glasgow. That sounds like a spy. The name's Glasgow. Ooh. It sounds like a way you could get secret intel, like milk, the glass cow, and you can get your information. Ooh. Let's go. No Glasgow. Yeah. Milk, milk, Glasgow.com. Listen, uh, as much as we are all residing in the States right now, there are causes you can always donate to around the world.

[01:40:51] And that includes, uh, over in Glasgow. So please milk, Glasgow.com. And if there's, if there's a problem there, if this is spoiled milk, Glasgow.com, uh, taste it and let us know. And we'll print a retraction. I'll, I'll deliver a retraction on next week's, uh, I'll, I'll, pre-recorded BNB. All right. Well, Josh, thanks for stopping by here on the BNB.

[01:41:16] We again talk through a lot of weird and wild stuff in true BNB fashion that I was so happy to drink it all in. Even if I can't necessarily drink a glass of milk. Now you are doing plenty out there in the podcast. Anything you'd like to plug in particular to the listeners out there? We, we just finally wrapped our severance coverage, uh, for this past season. The doctors and myself got together one last time to say goodbye to season two of severance.

[01:41:43] So that is up with theories and feedback from the listeners, as well as our own takes on season two in review. Check that out. We know severance.com. Um, Rob and I just finished up the white Lotus, uh, Mike White's, uh, very own TV show and three just came to an end. No spoilers, but a lot to talk about. So a very fun final podcast on the white Lotus front. And while I am not talking about survivor 48, I am once again, back in the past where I belong,

[01:42:13] uh, talking survivor heroes versus villains 15 years later for the patrons of RHAP. That is a patron only podcast. If you are a patron of RHAP at any level, you have access to it each week. Rob and I are talking about a different episode of heroes versus villains 15 years later. Very, very funny conversations happening over there. Some surprising insight, really no idea if we are retreading ground that we've already covered in one of our previous, like three or four different conversations we've had

[01:42:41] about heroes versus villains, but it feels like fresh milk. Uh, so go take a, take a swig, join up. Rob has a website.com slash patron today. All right. Liana, what do you have to plug? I love it, Josh. We're going to hire you to run the, uh, fund Mike Bloom. We did with that voice and that promotional material. We're definitely going to need it. If I could be like the voice of the commercials on here. Yeah. We honestly, the world needs more carnival marker energy. Roll up, roll up. Yes, exactly.

[01:43:11] Exactly. Come here, get your milk. Uh, okay. Uh, yeah, let's go. Yeah. Go fund me more like go milk me. Am I right? Um, okay. So that's going to be David. Don't spoil David's business after he gets off the show. Uh, why did that kill me? I've been murdered. Uh, okay. So, um, drag race is happening. That's a thing that's still going on. So Beth, Amon and I are covering drag race. We are down to the last two episodes.

[01:43:41] We've got a Lollapurusa and then the finale. Oh my gosh. We're going to have a winner of this latest season. And then Pooeya and I are doing the pal, talking about a bunch of random stuff. We have a very big episode that's going to be coming out this week with some major life changes. So we're going to, I assume, be talking a ton about all of that on the pal. So you don't want to miss it. Okay. Look at this tease. This is even better than, uh, all the promos from last week's episode of a survivor and episode. You cannot miss.

[01:44:09] Oh, but the pal check out all the usual stuff I'm doing. Got the chance to talk with charity, which was great. You know, obviously she had a certain reaction to, I think the edit and a lot of the things that her cast members were, were saying about her sort of secondhandedly. So she gave a lot of reaction to that. A lot of her perspectives into not only what went down at Mergatory, but everything going on in the pre-merge too. So absolutely check all that out. In addition to our amazing race coverage, a little bit of a controversial episode of the amazing race this week. Uh, so Jess and I broke that all down and I have an interview with the latest

[01:44:38] eliminated team there, uh, covering the last of us is coming back this Sunday, which should be a very exciting. Grace and I are going to be doing episodic recaps of that on Sunday night. And, uh, last thing I'll plug, actually a little bit of a scripted deviation of the pit is coming out with this finale on Thursday. First off, you should watch it. Secondly, uh, I just got the chance to talk with fan favorite Taylor Dearden, who plays one of the most beloved characters of the show. It was a really great conversation. And, uh, listen,

[01:45:08] I've been very open on this podcast and many about, you know, uh, my own mental health and my recent ADHD diagnosis. And Taylor, who is also with ADHD, was able to describe about how she brought that particular facet of herself into her character and culminates in an incredibly popular portrayal. So if you're into the show, which you should be, be sure to check all that out as well as all the other random stuff that's out there from me out on the internet at a Mike Bloom type, including in just several days time, we'll be back.

[01:45:38] Seems like we're getting a possible double boot coming up here to kick off the jury. So we know that things will be shaken up once more. We'll see if this means that the, uh, the milkman Alliance as Josh coined them, will they be able to use this as an opportunity to solidify their Alliance or will it liquefy? We shall see next week when Leon and I'll be joined by another guest of breaking it all down. So thanks to the entire team behind the scenes here at RHAP for packaging this podcast for your eyes and your ears. And from Roll for America,

[01:46:06] first fantastic theme song, which if you're listening to the podcast version, you can check it out right now. And then check out the video version and watch me yeet my pen out of my, my window. Do you do that again? Can we go full circle? You have another pen to throw? I don't even know how he did it. Thank you all so much for listening. Josh, Liana, thank you both as always for your incredible work. We'll be back next week, covering episode seven of survivor 48. Until next time, everybody will check you out at your next day. Mike and the honor, yeah,

[01:46:35] they're playing some games. You better pray to your mama that they're not super lame. And if that all sounds cool, I can tell you the name. It's the R-H-A-P-B-M-B. Mike and the honor, yeah, they're playing some games. You better pray to your mama that they're not super lame. Sounds cool. I can tell you the name. It's the R-H-A-P-M-B.