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[00:02:16] It's finale night and we are live here.

[00:02:21] And what a treat I have for you tonight,

[00:02:25] because here with me in the studio.

[00:02:30] I don't know if he's on the Mount Rushmore of the new era.

[00:02:33] Maybe we'll talk about it. OK, here he is.

[00:02:36] Jesse Lopez is here.

[00:02:38] Jesse, how are you?

[00:02:39] I'm good. Happy to be back.

[00:02:41] I got the invite back after the last finale.

[00:02:44] Yes. Happy finale night to you.

[00:02:47] I hope this becomes a tradition and we can make it coming back

[00:02:53] because the last one we did was super fun.

[00:02:55] And so I'm thrilled to have you back here in the studio.

[00:03:00] We're not in the same shot tonight.

[00:03:03] It feels a little distant.

[00:03:05] It feels a little bit.

[00:03:05] Do people even realize we're in the same room?

[00:03:08] I don't know if we can do like some kind of a trick.

[00:03:11] You want to hand me something?

[00:03:12] This feels risky.

[00:03:13] Don't throw it. Don't throw.

[00:03:14] Don't throw a magic 8 ball. OK, see?

[00:03:16] OK, we are.

[00:03:18] Jesse's right here. He's sitting in the Nicole chair.

[00:03:20] And so Jesse needs to talk a little louder.

[00:03:23] I'm going to try to boost the Jesse Mike a little bit

[00:03:26] and then see if we can get you a little bit closer, maybe.

[00:03:31] But Jesse, how are you?

[00:03:34] I'm good. I'm good.

[00:03:35] Apparently they can't hear me.

[00:03:36] But can you hear me now?

[00:03:38] I think it's a little bit.

[00:03:39] It was a little a little bit low.

[00:03:40] OK, so wow.

[00:03:43] Congratulations to Kenzie.

[00:03:46] Kenzie. Winner of Survivor 46.

[00:03:50] Local North Carolina survivor player.

[00:03:52] I know what. Look, Jesse, first off,

[00:03:55] I mean, kind of an underrated story.

[00:03:57] But in the last couple of years,

[00:04:00] look what's happened to North Carolina.

[00:04:02] Some are saying it's the new hub of Survivor between in,

[00:04:09] you know, 2021.

[00:04:11] I move here then a year later.

[00:04:14] I have to go play Survivor.

[00:04:16] Now we have a winner in.

[00:04:17] In Charlotte.

[00:04:19] Yeah. Oh, my God.

[00:04:21] Sandra's here too.

[00:04:23] Congratulations to Kenzie, the big winner here tonight.

[00:04:29] Congratulations.

[00:04:30] We'll have a lot to talk about here with Kenzie versus Charlie.

[00:04:34] Certainly the Maria vote for Kenzie.

[00:04:39] Top of mind as well.

[00:04:41] We'll get there.

[00:04:41] Spicy. Yes.

[00:04:43] And of course, we're here streaming live after the episode.

[00:04:47] We'll have a lot to talk about.

[00:04:48] Maybe we'll talk a little bit about Survivor 40 several

[00:04:50] a little bit later on tonight, too.

[00:04:52] There was somebody on there.

[00:04:54] I don't know if you knew this.

[00:04:55] I'm going to watch it.

[00:04:56] I'm going to watch it.

[00:04:58] Yeah. But we'll take your questions also tonight live in the chat.

[00:05:03] So go ahead and post away Thursday.

[00:05:07] Big day on the podcast.

[00:05:08] I will have exit interviews with the top five.

[00:05:12] We will then have no Stephen Fishback.

[00:05:14] Stephen is traveling this week.

[00:05:16] We're going to check in with Omar Zaheer.

[00:05:21] That's going to be live three p.m. on Thursday.

[00:05:24] I love that guy.

[00:05:25] So we'll do sort of a pseudo know it all with Omar coming up on Thursday.

[00:05:30] So be on the lookout for that busy Thursday on the podcast

[00:05:35] where we are going to learn a lot more about what went on.

[00:05:39] But what's your reaction to Kenzie's win, Jesse?

[00:05:42] Very excited for Kenzie.

[00:05:43] Are we going to get into it?

[00:05:44] Should we dig in or should I keep it surface level?

[00:05:47] Let's dig in.

[00:05:48] Well, I think that Kenzie played a really good game.

[00:05:50] I think that there is going to be a lot of questions

[00:05:54] and we can talk about it, about the whole strategy versus social game aspect

[00:05:59] because I think that at least, you know, with what I was reading on Twitter,

[00:06:03] people felt like Charlie really owned the sort of strategic component of things,

[00:06:07] driving votes and things like that, versus like Kenzie,

[00:06:11] who was more of like the social relationships and friendly kind of thing.

[00:06:14] So I think there's that sort of debate coming out of this, for sure.

[00:06:18] Yeah, it is super interesting to compare and contrast Charlie and Kenzie.

[00:06:24] Now, I kind of thought coming into this, a lot of people had Charlie in the finals.

[00:06:28] I was I made a prediction podcast.

[00:06:31] I thought it was going to be Maria versus Kenzie.

[00:06:35] Very wrong about that.

[00:06:36] But it's but it's a similar case, Maria versus Kenzie or Charlie versus Kenzie.

[00:06:40] And to compare Charlie and Maria,

[00:06:45] sorry, Charlie and Kenzie, you know, it's super interesting because Kenzie,

[00:06:49] while she did not have any flashy resume moves

[00:06:55] and really, I mean, I think she might be the person who's won

[00:06:59] in recent years where it's really the hardest to point to.

[00:07:01] She made the fire. You know, you know that I guess there's

[00:07:06] there's another winner that that just made the fire.

[00:07:09] But Charlie kind of got it.

[00:07:13] It's interesting between Charlie and Kenzie when you compare the two,

[00:07:17] because Kenzie wanted to blindside Tiffany.

[00:07:22] I believe it was at the final.

[00:07:25] It was on the Hunter vote. Final nine.

[00:07:28] Kenzie says, all right, today's my big move.

[00:07:31] Time to blindside Tiffany.

[00:07:33] I'm going for the big move today.

[00:07:35] Tiffany says Charlie goes and talks to Tiffany.

[00:07:38] Tiffany says, I'm going to play my idol like a blindside's off.

[00:07:41] Kenzie never gets the opportunity to make that move.

[00:07:46] Next round, they do that move without Kenzie.

[00:07:50] And it's like, oh, bad news for Kenzie.

[00:07:53] She didn't get this. She didn't get that.

[00:07:55] She her ally got blindsided.

[00:07:57] She didn't get to have a big move.

[00:07:59] So she's kind of screwed.

[00:08:02] We have Charlie who wants to make this move against Maria.

[00:08:07] Maria ends up winning immunity at seven and six.

[00:08:14] And so Charlie never gets to make the move.

[00:08:19] Maria ends up going out at five.

[00:08:21] It's not considered Charlie's move.

[00:08:25] And somehow Kenzie goes on to win.

[00:08:28] Yeah, I mean, I think that, yeah,

[00:08:31] Kenzie didn't get the Tiffany blindside and Charlie really didn't.

[00:08:34] Even though Charlie did vote for Maria,

[00:08:36] it's sort of the credit.

[00:08:38] Credit has been like a key word this season.

[00:08:40] And it got diluted, right, because it was sort of the obvious choice.

[00:08:44] And so it's not something that he can totally claim credit for.

[00:08:47] Yeah, it's super interesting.

[00:08:49] I wonder if Charlie, if he ever got that big move against Maria,

[00:08:55] if he was a say Maria didn't win immunity at six or seven

[00:08:59] and Charlie was able to blindside Maria,

[00:09:02] is Charlie the winner of the season?

[00:09:04] You think that would fit?

[00:09:05] This is actually something that I mentioned to you,

[00:09:07] like when we were watching and I think this is something

[00:09:09] that's good to talk about right now.

[00:09:10] Yeah.

[00:09:11] Do you think it is like better for you to actually

[00:09:15] like pull off that blindside against your ally?

[00:09:18] And do you think they will turn around or more likely

[00:09:21] to turn around and vote for you

[00:09:24] than it is to do it in this sort of way where kind of the credit gets spread?

[00:09:28] Yeah, well, you're the interesting person to ask about this,

[00:09:32] because Charlie had said, you know, if I would have taken out Maria earlier

[00:09:39] or I think he said he actually was Q, he said.

[00:09:42] If we took out Q when Venus wanted to take out Q,

[00:09:45] I don't think I would have been here.

[00:09:49] I mean, that's what happened to you.

[00:09:51] Yeah. So when he so he's saying

[00:09:54] if I would have took out Q earlier, I wouldn't have gotten here.

[00:09:56] Right. Yeah.

[00:09:58] I don't know. I'm saying if you do, damned if you know.

[00:10:00] Well, I mean, I'm focusing solely on like this Maria.

[00:10:03] Right. Like because I think that that is sort of like

[00:10:05] could have been the thing that tipped the scales.

[00:10:07] Like getting Maria's getting Maria's vote.

[00:10:10] And like I'm wondering if Charlie did pull off

[00:10:13] like a blindside on Maria in a way that he could have said like this.

[00:10:18] This was like my. Yeah.

[00:10:19] And sure, it ups his threat. Right.

[00:10:22] But I do think there is something that getting blindsided.

[00:10:26] There is this sort of like sense of and maybe I'm wrong.

[00:10:29] Maybe the players who have been blindsided can correct me.

[00:10:31] Yeah. But you feel like a sense of like, oh, you got me.

[00:10:34] Yeah. It's yours.

[00:10:36] I want to come back and talk about what what Kenzie did.

[00:10:39] I don't want to make it all about the Maria vote.

[00:10:41] But I do wonder if the way that Charlie played it in the end

[00:10:45] we could find this out tomorrow in the exit interview.

[00:10:48] The way that Charlie played it to Maria,

[00:10:52] he was sort of like came back after the tribal council

[00:10:56] and acted like, oh, I wasn't trying to get you out.

[00:10:59] But Maria mentioned that, OK, Charlie was trying to get her out.

[00:11:05] Do you think that Maria might have been upset

[00:11:08] that Charlie kind of like didn't tell her the truth,

[00:11:13] made her feel guilty?

[00:11:15] And then she found out when Liz came to Ponderosa.

[00:11:18] Oh, by the way, Charlie, yeah, we were totally going to get you out.

[00:11:22] Maybe. I mean, maybe it maybe it is.

[00:11:24] He's like, what? And he made me feel guilty.

[00:11:27] Like I was the bad friend.

[00:11:29] I had to lie to him and tell him that I was forced.

[00:11:32] Yeah. I wonder if that was a part of it.

[00:11:36] But yeah, that's the big story coming out of this.

[00:11:41] Because when we were watching the episode and we were talking about like,

[00:11:43] OK, well, who were the votes?

[00:11:45] And we saw we saw Soda and we saw.

[00:11:49] Was it? We saw Charlie.

[00:11:52] The people who I think those were.

[00:11:56] Did we see it? Did we see?

[00:11:57] I'm sorry, you saw Hunter saw the votes who voted for who?

[00:12:00] Yeah, who? We saw Soda, right?

[00:12:01] Charlie, we saw Hunter, right?

[00:12:03] Charlie, right.

[00:12:04] And then we saw a third vote.

[00:12:06] And I said, OK, well, that's probably Maria.

[00:12:10] It turns out it was Liz.

[00:12:11] Mm hmm. Yeah. Which I actually didn't expect.

[00:12:14] No, I thought it was Tevin.

[00:12:16] I thought Tevin was the third vote.

[00:12:17] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:12:18] I thought that Liz was going to break for Kenzie just because towards

[00:12:21] the end there, they were so close together.

[00:12:23] They were tighter. Yeah.

[00:12:25] But Maria said she saw the fire in Kenzie's eyes

[00:12:31] when she made that fire.

[00:12:33] When I get watching somebody make that fire, this is a powerful thing.

[00:12:37] It is. It's very powerful.

[00:12:39] You're about to get me just jumped on Twitter.

[00:12:41] Yeah, it's about to happen.

[00:12:43] I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that.

[00:12:44] No, no, I mean, I'm really I think,

[00:12:49] like you said, the big question coming out of this is really

[00:12:51] where Maria's head was at and what sort of drove her to vote for Kenzie.

[00:12:56] Was it really was it just the fire thing?

[00:12:59] I mean, it could have been that, but it could have also been that plus

[00:13:03] I saw somebody like tweet something like, did Maria kind of view

[00:13:06] Charlie as a pawn the whole time as opposed to like an ally?

[00:13:11] She was trying to get everybody to vote him out.

[00:13:14] This is true.

[00:13:14] She had like play the clip of her from just this last episode

[00:13:18] that was on a Wednesday.

[00:13:19] She's like, who wouldn't vote for Charlie?

[00:13:22] He's so likable.

[00:13:23] He's all of these things.

[00:13:25] She these are Maria's words.

[00:13:28] Yes, yes, they are.

[00:13:30] We we have questions.

[00:13:32] We have this big questions.

[00:13:34] But I want to come back to Kenzie because I that

[00:13:37] Charlie, I think, was a really great player.

[00:13:42] And Charlie was really great in all three aspects of the game,

[00:13:49] the social, strategic and the physical.

[00:13:53] Like he won challenges.

[00:13:55] He was a great strategic player and he was very well liked.

[00:13:58] But I think that Kenzie was off the charts

[00:14:02] in one area in the way that, yeah,

[00:14:06] Charlie was like the most well rounded player of the season.

[00:14:10] But in the way that Kenzie was just so good at the one thing

[00:14:17] of having and she won challenges too.

[00:14:22] But she was just such a amazing social player,

[00:14:26] maybe one of the best social players that we've ever seen.

[00:14:30] And ultimately, I've been saying this, you know, for a while now,

[00:14:35] it comes down to just who who does the jury like the best?

[00:14:40] Yeah, I think that Kenzie did play an incredible social game.

[00:14:43] And I think there's something that stood out really early in.

[00:14:50] I think it was it was when Bonu went on his journey.

[00:14:53] Yes. He called her the mermaid dragon.

[00:14:55] He completely that was in his confessional where he called her

[00:14:58] the mermaid dragon, but then he completely tosses her under the bus

[00:15:00] to everybody who's on the journey with Tevin.

[00:15:02] Yes. Or was it who was it?

[00:15:04] Yeah. But but under the bus in that she is the mastermind.

[00:15:08] Yeah, she's the mastermind.

[00:15:09] She's somebody to be worried about.

[00:15:11] You've got to look out for Kenzie.

[00:15:12] And then she comes into the merge and she's able to use her social game

[00:15:16] and just play up this sort of like, yeah, little me kind of thing

[00:15:20] and build these relationships, build these bonds and overcome that.

[00:15:23] When honestly, like it seemed like going into the merge,

[00:15:26] she should have been. Yes.

[00:15:28] Well, Q was such a, I guess, ultimately a blessing.

[00:15:34] And I guess in some ways it felt like a curse to her.

[00:15:38] If Kenzie was on any other.

[00:15:40] Yeah. If Kenzie was on any other tribe in the in the new era,

[00:15:45] I wonder if she would have been a drastically different player

[00:15:49] than having been on this tribe with Q, who just sucks all of the oxygen

[00:15:55] out of the room where there was no room for Kenzie

[00:15:58] to be the leader of her tribe.

[00:16:00] Like go back to the very beginning of the season.

[00:16:02] She's talking to Jalinski.

[00:16:04] She was she's trying to talk to Jess.

[00:16:06] She's talking to Tiffany. She's talking to you.

[00:16:08] She's you know, she's got things going on with everybody.

[00:16:12] And then Q just is like, hey, I'm running the show.

[00:16:16] And then he's really just very domineering

[00:16:21] in terms of like how he wants this tribe to be run.

[00:16:24] And then they get to the merge and he's all about making the six.

[00:16:30] There's not really room for Kenzie

[00:16:32] to be that very strategic player who's running alliances.

[00:16:37] Yeah, I mean, with Q around, there was very little room for anybody

[00:16:40] to sort of maneuver.

[00:16:42] That's why everybody kind of used him and propped him up

[00:16:44] as this sort of smoke screen.

[00:16:46] So, yeah, I think so.

[00:16:48] Are we saying that if Q wasn't there?

[00:16:51] Yeah. We wouldn't have Q skirts.

[00:16:54] We would have K skirts.

[00:16:55] I don't know if Kenzie would have invented the K skirt.

[00:16:59] Very fashionable. Very fashionable.

[00:17:01] Q was rocking one tonight.

[00:17:04] Q had some other fashion mishaps on that he reported on Twitter

[00:17:09] earlier today, but we don't need to explore that.

[00:17:12] Yes, I'll check it out. OK.

[00:17:15] OK, but yeah, to get back to there was something you said about

[00:17:18] like the whole idea of it being just like a who's the most likely.

[00:17:22] Yes, I have a take on this.

[00:17:25] Please. I don't think that it is like so extreme

[00:17:28] that it's just a likeability contest.

[00:17:30] I mean, I think that to some aspect.

[00:17:34] Maybe. But I do think that there is something to say

[00:17:40] about the fact that.

[00:17:42] I think coming in, Charlie had a really good threat management, right?

[00:17:47] Almost too good. Yeah.

[00:17:49] And I think he lowered his threat level to the point where it was like.

[00:17:54] Almost hard to see what move like we saw it in his confession.

[00:17:57] Yes, we saw the threat.

[00:17:59] The loyal dog.

[00:18:01] Yeah. And she was able to say that in speaking to her social game.

[00:18:05] She was able to say that and just get a laugh from everybody.

[00:18:07] It like didn't even come off as like insulting.

[00:18:09] Yeah. Right. So she had this sort of like delivery

[00:18:12] with people that really worked.

[00:18:14] So I think that. Charlie came in like in our eyes,

[00:18:18] it's like we're seeing the confessionals, we're seeing like,

[00:18:20] oh, this guy is like really thinking decisions.

[00:18:22] He's being very strategic about everything.

[00:18:24] That's not necessarily what you're seeing out there, right?

[00:18:26] Like he might be seeing like everybody else might be seeing him

[00:18:30] just drop his threat level to the point where it's like

[00:18:33] he really has to fight at final tribal to sort of speak to his moves.

[00:18:38] And I think he did, right?

[00:18:39] Like he went from, you know, we had the after show

[00:18:42] where it said, like, who changed their vote?

[00:18:44] And he went from like if they would have voted before final tribal,

[00:18:47] he would have got two votes and picked up a third.

[00:18:50] So I don't think it's just like a social thing.

[00:18:53] I think there is like if Charlie had made like a

[00:18:57] people are going to hate me, like a flashier, slightly flashier move

[00:19:01] that didn't potentially get him voted out.

[00:19:03] Like, I think he probably like takes it. Yeah.

[00:19:07] I think that Charlie had had to have have done that.

[00:19:11] I think that there's a lot to unpack.

[00:19:14] I have been saying really this season has really sort of like

[00:19:18] illuminated this for me that I feel like that there are certain people

[00:19:23] at the start of the game at Ponderosa, these people that as Shannon Guss

[00:19:29] would call them, these are shiny people of people that just have so much.

[00:19:36] They have so much Riz that they are just like, wow.

[00:19:42] Sparkly people, I think is what Shannon says about them.

[00:19:45] And Kenzie, I think, is one of these people.

[00:19:48] And if one of these people gets to the end,

[00:19:50] it's hard to not give them the win because it's like, OK, well, they got there.

[00:19:56] How do you not get how do you not get in the wind?

[00:19:58] Then there are other folks that have to really I did this, I did this,

[00:20:03] I did this, I did this, I did this.

[00:20:04] And I think that Charlie is who seems like a great guy,

[00:20:08] just does not have the off the wall charisma

[00:20:13] where people are just like and that's good for him in some ways

[00:20:18] in that he was never considered to be a threat.

[00:20:22] People were never worried about Charlie,

[00:20:25] but it was a blessing during the game, but a curse at the final tribal council

[00:20:30] where he had to have such a burden of proof.

[00:20:32] And I think he had a really good final tribal council that, as you mentioned,

[00:20:37] it sounded like he got a bunch of people to switch their votes

[00:20:40] to Charlie votes by the end of this thing.

[00:20:43] But it did feel like that ultimately he did not have

[00:20:48] that ace in the hole that he could play.

[00:20:51] That was this was my killer move.

[00:20:53] He tried. He was working on that Maria move,

[00:20:57] but it just was never available for him

[00:21:01] until the point where then getting Maria out at five was a was a group move.

[00:21:07] Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right.

[00:21:09] I think the thing that got Charlie to the end is also the thing

[00:21:12] that potentially cost him in a way,

[00:21:16] the fact that he wasn't like so out there in terms of being the shiny person.

[00:21:21] Right. Yeah.

[00:21:23] But this also made me think of the like first marooning line

[00:21:27] that Jeff said about the whole like doesn't matter how you like

[00:21:31] the likeability. Yeah. Right.

[00:21:33] The whole like doesn't matter what you do.

[00:21:35] One of you already there's nothing you can do to win the game.

[00:21:40] Did that strike a chord with you in terms of one particular person?

[00:21:45] I don't know if it like struck a chord almost in the reverse.

[00:21:48] Right. Like, it doesn't matter.

[00:21:50] Like Kenzie won like like ability wise.

[00:21:53] Right. Like I think she said that, like she said her words.

[00:21:56] No offense, Kenzie, like she didn't drive any of the votes.

[00:21:59] Right. Like she said, like her relate her game was about like ability

[00:22:02] and building relationships.

[00:22:03] So it was almost sort of like

[00:22:06] Jeff didn't exactly say the whole like if you get to the end,

[00:22:09] like you're going to win just for being likeable kind of deal.

[00:22:12] But it was like sort of like an inverse.

[00:22:14] Yeah. What do you think was Kenzie's biggest move?

[00:22:22] Who are we asking?

[00:22:23] I know I'm asking Jesse.

[00:22:27] What was her biggest move?

[00:22:30] So it's hard because I think that

[00:22:33] I think that some of her best moves didn't necessarily result

[00:22:37] in her getting jury votes.

[00:22:40] She mentioned this at the final tribal council,

[00:22:43] which I thought was interesting.

[00:22:44] She took credit for the Tim vote

[00:22:48] if it was between Tim and Ben.

[00:22:50] And she argued with Q over that.

[00:22:52] She got Q's vote, which I thought was pretty interesting.

[00:22:54] I thought the Q would have been a Charlie vote as well.

[00:22:58] And she was arguing with Q about Tim versus Ben.

[00:23:01] But Ben wasn't even though pen wrote her name down.

[00:23:04] Ben was an important piece for Kenzie.

[00:23:07] And she argued and was able to keep him

[00:23:11] versus Tim, who was not a piece for Kenzie.

[00:23:14] She didn't even know at the time that Tim was part of the six.

[00:23:18] And that was like the first domino to fall in the six

[00:23:22] was that Tim went home.

[00:23:23] Yeah. So actually two things come to mind

[00:23:26] that aren't necessarily big moves, but they are sort of moves

[00:23:29] that I think speak to her game.

[00:23:32] And I think Hunter pointed it out.

[00:23:33] Hunter ended up voting for Charlie.

[00:23:35] But he did point out the fact that Kenzie's

[00:23:38] was the one that convinced him to not play the idol.

[00:23:41] I also think there's something to be said about last episode

[00:23:45] when Charlie made that sort of misstep of,

[00:23:48] oh, I'm going to tell Maria about the Q thing.

[00:23:51] And Maria didn't buy that everybody was going to vote for Q

[00:23:54] because Liz and Kenzie had both done such a good job

[00:23:58] playing up this idea of like, yeah, we're with you to take out Charlie.

[00:24:01] Yeah, I think there are just like little subtle things that Kenzie did,

[00:24:04] almost like she just lulled people into like this sort of false sense

[00:24:08] of security.

[00:24:10] And I think that is like, I don't think there's like a very big move

[00:24:13] that she made, but I think it's those little sort of rolling

[00:24:17] false sense of security that she was able to pull.

[00:24:18] Yeah. Do you think that the Kenzie win

[00:24:23] will change the narrative at all in terms of like how these

[00:24:27] we saw Survivor 47, they already started.

[00:24:30] But players who play in Survivor 48,

[00:24:33] are they going to be a little bit less thinking about, OK,

[00:24:37] need the big move, taking out their number one, my number one

[00:24:41] need to because I got to show that to the jury.

[00:24:45] Yeah, possibly. I think.

[00:24:47] I think so. I think it really depends.

[00:24:49] Like, I think like Survivor is like this thing that we can podcast

[00:24:52] about for hours and hours and hours.

[00:24:54] And you do because it is just so like unique.

[00:24:58] And God, I'm sounding like Jeff here because now I know everything. Right.

[00:25:03] You still don't. That's why you're still podcasting.

[00:25:05] Don't I get I think I get dumber after every season.

[00:25:08] Right. Because it just doesn't make sense.

[00:25:10] It doesn't make sense. Right.

[00:25:11] No, because the last season like in D in Austin's case, right?

[00:25:15] Like, sure. D is like, yeah, I didn't have to take out

[00:25:18] like one of my number ones and I won.

[00:25:20] But Austin's probably sitting there like I wish she's surviving a quiet place.

[00:25:24] Yes. Right.

[00:25:25] The rule of the surviving a quiet place is to have multiple number ones.

[00:25:31] Yeah, I don't know. Why didn't she use that line? Yeah.

[00:25:34] No, but Austin is probably I don't know.

[00:25:37] Maybe he's made peace, but like there's probably some question

[00:25:40] that he's had in his head of like maybe I should have taken out D.

[00:25:43] Right. Like maybe I should have made a move on my own.

[00:25:46] Now, in this season, I think I bet he's had that thought.

[00:25:49] Yeah. Right. So like, I think that like this does

[00:25:52] that wholesale reject that idea.

[00:25:57] Yeah. Well. But he also.

[00:26:01] Yeah, I guess he had to multiple number ones.

[00:26:03] Yeah. There are too many.

[00:26:05] I don't know. Too many number ones.

[00:26:06] Yeah, I don't know. Maybe you're right.

[00:26:07] Maybe maybe it is like the narrative of getting rid of your number one.

[00:26:12] Yeah. I think that it's not a touchstone of my.

[00:26:18] Yes. But that but is it.

[00:26:21] But it doomed me, guys. Don't do it.

[00:26:24] But I think I mean, we could go back to your particular

[00:26:29] plight because my plate.

[00:26:31] Yeah, because I think that Cody was probably, though, one of those people

[00:26:36] that is a super charismatic guy that if he gets to the end

[00:26:40] that people are going to you might say, I did this, I did this, I did this.

[00:26:44] And like, yeah, but Jesse, where was the big move?

[00:26:46] We really, you know, and people would have bent over backwards

[00:26:49] maybe to vote for Cody and said, Jesse, if we would have seen

[00:26:53] like a little bit more and people at home would have been like,

[00:26:56] what are you talking about? Jesse was great.

[00:26:58] We've doing all these things.

[00:27:00] Yeah, no, I think that Cody it like you could have been Charlie in another life.

[00:27:03] Yeah, it's true.

[00:27:05] I don't know. I think that was my fear was like

[00:27:09] getting so close to the end and then having an ally

[00:27:11] who's like super charismatic off the charts, right?

[00:27:16] And losing because of like having.

[00:27:18] So I think it context matters.

[00:27:20] I think it matters what situation.

[00:27:23] Yeah. OK.

[00:27:25] One of the big things from this episode that I would love to talk with you about,

[00:27:29] and I saw people going, getting very worked up on Twitter about this.

[00:27:35] OK. At the final five,

[00:27:39] Maria and Kenzie are in a pretty close battle.

[00:27:43] OK, Kenzie completes the puzzle.

[00:27:46] Kenzie's like, Jeff, just like no, the puzzle has instructions.

[00:27:51] You're not done, Kenzie.

[00:27:52] And she looks at it like, wait, what a plank.

[00:27:56] You have to find out what plank, how many holes are in the plank?

[00:28:00] What are you talking about?

[00:28:01] And Liz says, no, that the plank from before.

[00:28:07] I'll go get the plank for you and bring it back.

[00:28:12] OK. People really were very angry.

[00:28:17] So a lot of people angry about it.

[00:28:19] Yeah. OK. What's your what's your take on this?

[00:28:22] Because this is this is different.

[00:28:24] We haven't necessarily seen this.

[00:28:27] We've had in Survivor US Survivor before

[00:28:30] that people are looking at somebody else's puzzle.

[00:28:35] And, OK, I'm going to copy off them.

[00:28:38] OK, this person has a completed puzzle.

[00:28:40] Don't try it on Deal or No Deal Island.

[00:28:41] OK, Jesse.

[00:28:43] I don't know. OK, I'm telling you.

[00:28:47] But we have not seen an instance like this

[00:28:51] where Liz is able to go leave her post,

[00:28:55] go get the puzzle clue for Kenzie and bring it back to her.

[00:29:01] To beat Maria.

[00:29:03] Is it against the rules?

[00:29:04] I don't think it is.

[00:29:05] So in Survivor San Juan, I'm sorry,

[00:29:10] Survivor South Pacific, OK, we have the instance where Albert,

[00:29:14] you know, drop your stack.

[00:29:16] Jeff says, no, no, you can't do that.

[00:29:20] In this challenge is was this something?

[00:29:23] I mean, this was a surprise.

[00:29:26] Jeff has to make a call on the fly.

[00:29:27] Now, I have seen in Australian Survivor.

[00:29:33] That there are instances where players are able

[00:29:36] to help one another in these individual immunity challenges.

[00:29:41] Mm hmm.

[00:29:42] So I guess before we get into,

[00:29:46] you know, the ruling, what's your reaction?

[00:29:49] My ruling? My ruling.

[00:29:50] What's what's Jesse's ruling on it?

[00:29:52] I mean, I think it's Survivor.

[00:29:54] I think just go for it.

[00:29:55] Like if you're not able to do it or they don't want you to do it,

[00:29:58] they'll tell you not to do it.

[00:29:59] I think if they haven't ruled that out of bounds,

[00:30:03] I think that you go for it.

[00:30:05] Like it's kind of like the checking bags.

[00:30:07] I think like you're allowed to do it and there's some sort of like

[00:30:10] people get weird about it.

[00:30:11] I've seen like people get angry about like, oh,

[00:30:13] why would he go through somebody's personal items?

[00:30:16] But it's fair game.

[00:30:18] Like I feel like it's fair.

[00:30:19] Yeah. But I think it's a slippery slope here where.

[00:30:26] OK, so this also happened.

[00:30:28] So on 43, yes, this happened not in the individual in the

[00:30:32] in the team challenge.

[00:30:33] There there was one challenge.

[00:30:35] I think we're making a puzzle.

[00:30:37] It's actually funny because we were on the same platform

[00:30:39] that they were on for this final five challenge.

[00:30:41] We're making this puzzle that we had to turn into a square

[00:30:43] and then turn into a triangle.

[00:30:45] Bessie had won and it was between Cocoa and Baca

[00:30:49] and Cocoa hadn't gone to tribal yet.

[00:30:52] And so we started like shooting out instructions to Baca

[00:30:57] and like putting our heads together, trying to help them get.

[00:31:00] I mean, we didn't obviously go and touch the pieces or anything like that.

[00:31:02] Yes. But like we still helped.

[00:31:04] And I mean, Jeff let us do it.

[00:31:07] Like it was just we had a we had a goal in mind.

[00:31:10] We wanted to send Cocoa to tribal because we wanted them to lower their numbers.

[00:31:15] And Liz clearly had a goal in mind here.

[00:31:17] She wanted Maria to go home.

[00:31:19] I just wonder, like, I kind of feel like that.

[00:31:21] I thought this was interesting tonight.

[00:31:23] When I watch it, it did not bother me.

[00:31:26] But I do feel like that it starts to be like a slippery slope of,

[00:31:29] let's say, you know, you're on a season

[00:31:33] and we're in the final five, final six.

[00:31:36] And there's somebody who's this challenge beast.

[00:31:40] And we like this person, we need to stop them from winning the challenges

[00:31:45] and we get to the challenge like this.

[00:31:47] And now the whole all five of us, the other five people immediately.

[00:31:52] Yeah. Are going to work together and we're going to try

[00:31:55] to freeze this person out so they don't win.

[00:31:57] I feel like that gets shut down immediately.

[00:32:00] Maybe. Yeah, probably.

[00:32:02] Probably right.

[00:32:03] Yeah. If you're at the jump, like right away, probably right away.

[00:32:06] Yeah, I guess then it is a slippery slope.

[00:32:07] So I feel like it gets to be kind of a slippery slope.

[00:32:10] And then we have this precedent now of like, well, how come it was OK

[00:32:13] on this versus.

[00:32:17] You know, if we all sort of like block somebody

[00:32:21] like I thought that we're going to get into some like really like

[00:32:23] ticky tack rules on on stuff like this,

[00:32:27] like you couldn't run off with with Maria's board.

[00:32:33] So Maria couldn't solve her puzzle.

[00:32:35] You grab the plank and just land it to the.

[00:32:37] Could you, you know, could you, you know, you can't sabotage

[00:32:41] the other stuff. Yeah, that's true.

[00:32:44] But you can have.

[00:32:45] Jeff, we need to know the rules.

[00:32:47] Yes, but you could help other people try to win.

[00:32:49] I mean, could everybody go like hypothetically, let's say,

[00:32:54] you know, everybody is like, all right, we're not even going to try.

[00:32:57] Kenzie's try to let's all stand around Kenzie

[00:33:00] and all help Kenzie with her puzzle.

[00:33:03] So she beats Maria.

[00:33:05] Yeah, that's allowed.

[00:33:07] I. Is this a moral question or a.

[00:33:11] I think it's rules of the game question.

[00:33:13] I just think that we've really like open Pandora's box.

[00:33:16] Yeah, no, I actually so like on the rules side of things

[00:33:18] like Jeff walks you through each challenge, right?

[00:33:20] Like behind the curtain, he walks you through each challenge

[00:33:23] and he takes you through each step

[00:33:26] and he tells you what's not allowed and what is allowed

[00:33:29] based on like what they've like already thought through.

[00:33:31] Obviously, I don't think they thought through this scenario.

[00:33:33] And like you said, he probably had to make a call on the fly.

[00:33:37] So I don't even know if they fully know what is like

[00:33:41] really allowed until like players start to test it.

[00:33:44] So like it's very possible that like from now on,

[00:33:47] Jeff's going to be like,

[00:33:49] there's no leaving your station and going to help the other.

[00:33:53] Yeah, it sucks.

[00:33:54] But this is like what happened.

[00:33:55] I feel like this is what happens, like players test things

[00:33:58] and then they sort of adapt like they realize, oh, well, nobody's done

[00:34:01] that before. So we got to like they changed the puzzles this season.

[00:34:06] Yeah, right. Yep.

[00:34:08] So they also didn't want anybody breaking in your fire making records.

[00:34:13] Yeah, they said enough of that. Yeah.

[00:34:15] I think like they like they place rules in, you know,

[00:34:19] that they've thought through.

[00:34:20] But then like players, innovative players are going to figure out

[00:34:24] a way to exploit them and that's what I'm thinking. Yeah.

[00:34:29] Can we talk about Maria and her vote a little bit more?

[00:34:32] If you want.

[00:34:34] I just think it's so interesting

[00:34:37] because Maria and Charlie had been in lockstep all season long.

[00:34:41] They were Malcolm and Denise.

[00:34:44] Denise voted out Malcolm.

[00:34:47] Malcolm still voted for Denise.

[00:34:51] To our knowledge,

[00:34:54] Maria and Kenzie had no great relationship whatsoever.

[00:35:00] It was not like, OK, I didn't vote for Charlie,

[00:35:03] but this was my other friend.

[00:35:05] It wasn't like Q was in the finals

[00:35:07] and Maria picked between somebody she liked or like,

[00:35:11] I can't really think of many times that we saw,

[00:35:16] you know, meaningful interaction with Kenzie and Maria.

[00:35:21] Maria seemed pretty upset about Kenzie and Liz

[00:35:29] collaborating together to beat her in the challenge.

[00:35:35] She seemed she seemed a little bit annoyed that that happened.

[00:35:40] I'd say more than a little.

[00:35:41] She came back to the beach and said, hey, OK, Charlie, let's work together.

[00:35:46] Was it do you think it was potentially that Charlie didn't work with her

[00:35:50] on that on that final five vote?

[00:35:53] When she was pitching, hey, let's get out then.

[00:35:57] No, I mean, I think he was like, I don't I don't think so,

[00:36:01] because I think like he Charlie was being very open,

[00:36:04] like or at least appearing to be very open and working with her.

[00:36:07] He was saying the whole time, like, I'm keeping my options open to Maria.

[00:36:10] At least I don't think he was ever going to actually vote with her.

[00:36:13] But like he at least gave off the appearance that he was willing.

[00:36:17] I just so I don't think he like made her angry there.

[00:36:21] So I just having a hard time like if

[00:36:24] if Marie, if Charlie actually got Maria out of the game,

[00:36:29] if he actually turned his back and blindsided her.

[00:36:31] Like, I think I would understand it a little bit more

[00:36:35] about why she would potentially not vote for her friend.

[00:36:40] From what I saw in the in the season,

[00:36:43] I did not see anything that Charlie did

[00:36:46] that would make her him lose her vote.

[00:36:50] Is that's what I think is puzzling about this whole situation.

[00:36:54] Yeah, especially when that it was a five three vote.

[00:36:59] Maria votes for Charlie.

[00:37:03] And the thing that, you know, with all these tiebreak scenarios

[00:37:08] that was that we were talking about,

[00:37:11] the thing that I was always a little surprised about was

[00:37:13] if it was Charlie and Kenzie in a tie, I feel like that Ben

[00:37:17] and we saw he brought he brought Charlie to the final three.

[00:37:23] It'll be a great question for Ben.

[00:37:24] Every interviewer will ask Ben tomorrow,

[00:37:27] who would you have voted for in a tie?

[00:37:30] I think he would have voted for Charlie.

[00:37:32] Maybe I am sort of of the opposite.

[00:37:36] You think you would vote?

[00:37:37] I think he would have voted for Kenzie.

[00:37:38] I think that.

[00:37:41] Me, this is me being like sort of brainwashed by the edit, I guess.

[00:37:45] But like we saw so many.

[00:37:46] I mean, they even had a whole flashback sequence.

[00:37:48] This episode of Ben having his like moments at night

[00:37:52] and Kenzie being the one there to comfort him and like being there

[00:37:55] to hold his hand.

[00:37:56] So I think that like he probably breaks Kenzie.

[00:38:01] Again, you're also up against like 26 days of friendship

[00:38:04] versus like Kenzie's however many days post-emerge.

[00:38:08] Yeah. But like maybe those things would have been like more meaningful.

[00:38:11] So like I could have seen I could I lean towards Ben voting for Kenzie.

[00:38:15] Yeah, it would be great to see.

[00:38:17] So it's just that one vote.

[00:38:19] Yeah, that one swing.

[00:38:20] If this was a scripted show, I think we go to a tie

[00:38:23] and we sort of see this dilemma of Ben.

[00:38:26] I think that would have like been the sort of natural culmination.

[00:38:29] Sure, as far as that scripted.

[00:38:31] Yeah, no.

[00:38:31] And we know this because it would have been a tie if that was the case.

[00:38:35] So yeah, so so interesting.

[00:38:38] Yeah, you have questions for Maria.

[00:38:41] Oh, I have a lot of questions for Maria and Ben.

[00:38:45] For all of them. Yes.

[00:38:46] Yes. You know, somebody that we haven't talked much about yet tonight is Liz.

[00:38:50] Liz, welcome to the fourth place fire make.

[00:38:53] Yes. Liz is an enigma.

[00:39:00] She is Liz.

[00:39:02] We have so many questions about Liz of

[00:39:06] because we got like two different sides of Liz tonight.

[00:39:11] We got we did see at different points

[00:39:13] that some people felt like, OK, I don't want Liz in the finals.

[00:39:20] We saw even Charlie

[00:39:22] Ben giving advice to Kenzie during the fire making.

[00:39:27] Against Liz, which got Liz got a little annoyed about.

[00:39:32] So did people view Liz

[00:39:36] as kind of like a little out there,

[00:39:40] maybe not necessarily like

[00:39:45] trying to choose my words so carefully, Jesse.

[00:39:48] You don't want the smoke with forty six.

[00:39:51] No, you don't want that smoke.

[00:39:53] No. But so was Liz

[00:39:57] a viable candidate to win as Liz herself told us?

[00:40:03] Yeah, no, I will say that I was very sort of confused

[00:40:07] and taken aback like this episode, just based off of that whole final four.

[00:40:13] No sequence. I think that

[00:40:16] the whole talk of Liz being like this massive sort of like threat

[00:40:20] kind of came out of nowhere to me just based on like what we've seen

[00:40:23] so far of Liz.

[00:40:25] It's very possible that like she was like doing things that like

[00:40:29] we weren't seeing or weren't privy to.

[00:40:31] But like it just felt like it came out of nowhere.

[00:40:33] And then I was also even more confused because like as

[00:40:37] she was saying that she was like a threat to like take it all and like

[00:40:41] would crush them all.

[00:40:43] We like get flashes of like the jury that are like,

[00:40:46] yeah, Venus had a very distinct eye roll.

[00:40:49] Yeah, it was either like muted expressions or like eye rolls.

[00:40:54] But then why not bring her to the final three?

[00:40:56] Yeah, I don't know if like how can it be both things?

[00:41:00] How can it be Liz's delusional?

[00:41:02] She had no chance to win.

[00:41:04] And we also want her out at four.

[00:41:09] Was it just that the Ben Charlie Kenzie

[00:41:13] trio was so tight that they just really meant a lot for them

[00:41:18] to get to the end together?

[00:41:20] Yeah, I mean, it's possible.

[00:41:21] It was Ben's decision.

[00:41:23] Yeah, it's possible that Ben really wanted his like close friends

[00:41:26] to like make it to the end somehow.

[00:41:28] And he went with Kenzie because he thought Kenzie had the best show

[00:41:31] or something.

[00:41:32] What a great friend Ben is.

[00:41:34] I wish I had a friend like Ben.

[00:41:35] Yeah.

[00:41:36] He pranked me.

[00:41:38] Ben, what a great night for Ben in terms of he finally won

[00:41:44] individual immunity.

[00:41:45] Yeah, no, that was awesome.

[00:41:47] That was awesome considering he went in and he like had that moment

[00:41:50] of confusion.

[00:41:52] He had a rough night the prior night.

[00:41:55] And he pulls it out with like this very new challenge.

[00:41:58] Yeah, which was really cool.

[00:42:00] And he got zero votes at the final tribal council, but he got zero votes

[00:42:03] in a way where nobody was like

[00:42:09] ripping into him.

[00:42:10] Yeah, nobody.

[00:42:11] And I don't even think anybody came off as dismissive of Ben either.

[00:42:16] Yeah, no.

[00:42:16] There's a Ben.

[00:42:18] What is your deal?

[00:42:21] Yeah, no, I think everybody like

[00:42:23] I don't think anybody had any bad feelings towards Ben.

[00:42:25] I think it was just more of a sort of like Ben didn't have like anything to claim.

[00:42:31] And like also, which is interesting, though, because like I think that like

[00:42:35] you could argue that like Kenzie and Ben both like played social games.

[00:42:40] Yeah, both like didn't like have like really major moves to like point to.

[00:42:46] But I do think that like Ben's

[00:42:49] social aspect of things was I think Kenzie was a lot of people's rocks,

[00:42:54] like Kenzie was Ben's rock, rocks, rocks to be a rock.

[00:42:58] And then I think that Ken I seen like an interview with Liz

[00:43:02] come out by Dalton maybe where she talks about like Kenzie being a rock as well.

[00:43:07] And this was before the finale.

[00:43:08] So like I think there's just something to that possibly.

[00:43:11] Yeah, I think there's like a little bit of a difference between that.

[00:43:14] Ben was a very emotional player and Kenzie was a social player.

[00:43:21] And I feel like that there's a distinction there.

[00:43:25] That's fair. Yeah, that's fair.

[00:43:26] I guess maybe the distinction is that Ben was experiencing emotions

[00:43:31] and Kenzie was a person who was there like a very empathetic figure of like,

[00:43:37] hey, let it all out.

[00:43:38] Like, let's talk about it.

[00:43:40] Like, tell me how you're feeling.

[00:43:42] Only with Bono that was really she kind of had it.

[00:43:46] Yeah, that was the only time.

[00:43:48] And that speaks to just how trying it might have been with Bono there

[00:43:52] that even Kenzie had a low moment.

[00:43:55] Yeah, but in the ultimate social player,

[00:43:58] it could even she was like, all right, Bonnie, can I get a minute here?

[00:44:02] Bono even beat her.

[00:44:06] At least he got his million.

[00:44:08] Come on, give it up.

[00:44:11] Yeah. But Ben had to make this decision of who to take with him

[00:44:17] to the final three.

[00:44:20] He ends up choosing Charlie.

[00:44:23] I'm surprised it didn't come up more at the final tribal council

[00:44:26] or at least after the final tribal council.

[00:44:28] Like, I'm a little surprised at the Survivor After show.

[00:44:32] It wasn't like, Charlie, but don't you think you should have made the fire?

[00:44:37] Don't you think who thinks if Charlie would have made the fire here,

[00:44:40] who would have voted for Charlie?

[00:44:42] Would Maria have raised her hand?

[00:44:45] Possibly. Maybe, maybe.

[00:44:49] What did have changed things?

[00:44:51] I suspect if Charlie would have made the fire,

[00:44:53] then Maria would have come up with a different answer to why she voted for Kenzie.

[00:44:58] Yeah, yeah.

[00:45:01] Do you so to get back to the final four and like putting Liz in, like,

[00:45:05] do you do you think that Charlie, I guess,

[00:45:08] do you think that Charlie wins with a different comment with Liz and Ben?

[00:45:12] Does Charlie win with Liz and Ben?

[00:45:14] Yes. So then I don't.

[00:45:20] I'm not somebody who thinks that Charlie needed to like go in a fire for sure.

[00:45:24] Like, I think Charlie had like from our perspective,

[00:45:27] from the viewers perspective, Charlie had a really great game.

[00:45:30] His game did not have to do that at all.

[00:45:34] It does. But he had no say in like getting his like ideal final three.

[00:45:39] And I he did say that he would have taken Liz with him.

[00:45:42] Yeah, he would have put Ben and I don't want to put it on

[00:45:46] Charlie. And I normally would say to a person, you know, like, don't even.

[00:45:51] What are you crazy? You don't want to be in the fire.

[00:45:54] But Liz, I don't know if there was like an idea that Liz was good

[00:45:58] at the fire. But when Liz is talking about that,

[00:46:02] her ligaments are too big for her arms and

[00:46:07] she has loose wrists and she's going to be

[00:46:12] terrible at it.

[00:46:13] And if you're Charlie and you're OK at it,

[00:46:17] at some point, do you say like, hey, put me in, coach.

[00:46:22] Seems like an easy win. I got that. I can beat Liz. Right.

[00:46:27] Yeah. Yeah, no, I think I think he could have.

[00:46:30] And then maybe he does win the game, which then means that maybe he should.

[00:46:34] I got to think that Charlie was such a, you know,

[00:46:37] the ultimate grip strength, like that he's

[00:46:42] he's great at the challenges.

[00:46:45] I got to think that Charlie just completely.

[00:46:49] I think he'd probably beat Kenzie, but I think he definitely would have beat Liz.

[00:46:56] I bought one of those because of Charlie.

[00:46:58] Yes, I'm sure. I hope he has an affiliate code.

[00:47:01] Yeah, I know. Everybody's talking about Liz endorsing Applebee's,

[00:47:04] but like Charlie endorsed those grip strength things.

[00:47:07] And I'm sure they're flying on the shelves.

[00:47:09] No, I think that he really could.

[00:47:11] I he definitely could have beat, I think any of them.

[00:47:15] I don't know what Ben's fire making skills are like, but I think he could.

[00:47:18] Charlie could have really easily taken on Kenzie.

[00:47:22] The whole time I was watching.

[00:47:24] Gosh, I really wish it was them instead of Gable.

[00:47:31] No offense. I love you.

[00:47:33] But yeah, what are you going to do?

[00:47:36] What are you going to do?

[00:47:38] Yeah. Again, chat.

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[00:49:29] I really liked the final tribal council in terms of how the jury conducted it.

[00:49:37] I thought that this was to me like a real throwback.

[00:49:42] And yes, you have 30 seconds to make.

[00:49:45] No, I'm going to be the timer.

[00:49:48] I need more time.

[00:49:49] How did Tiffany do this?

[00:49:50] Tiffany just in her head like one, one thousand two, one thousand three, one thousand.

[00:49:55] Do you think you do you think she gave Kenzie extra time?

[00:49:58] Maybe.

[00:49:59] Is that why she wanted to be the time?

[00:50:02] That's why she wanted to be the timer.

[00:50:03] And I like that at the end, Jeff was like, all right, 30 seconds for this.

[00:50:07] Like, this is like a new thing.

[00:50:08] Yeah, I know.

[00:50:09] That's what it's going to be from now on.

[00:50:10] Like a shot clock at tribal council, like, all right, 30 seconds on the clock.

[00:50:14] Yeah.

[00:50:14] But no, I really thought that we went down the line.

[00:50:17] We had like one question.

[00:50:19] It was like really well organized.

[00:50:21] We didn't get to see a Liz question.

[00:50:23] No.

[00:50:23] And did we get a Maria question?

[00:50:25] I don't know if we did.

[00:50:26] Yeah.

[00:50:27] Interesting.

[00:50:27] I know that we got comments from them.

[00:50:30] I know that they both like weighed in on at least one.

[00:50:33] Yeah.

[00:50:33] But we did get a question from everybody and like honestly, it felt a lot like

[00:50:39] some of the older seasons where everybody at least got to stand up and face.

[00:50:43] Yeah.

[00:50:43] And I feel like it was like the best of both worlds where each person got

[00:50:46] to ask a question, but then also there was sort of like corroborating like,

[00:50:51] OK, does that check out with you?

[00:50:53] Is that how you remember?

[00:50:54] Well, actually, it was a little bit different than what you said.

[00:50:57] And so I really thought it was a

[00:51:00] a very tight final trial counsel.

[00:51:03] Yeah, no, I thought it was great.

[00:51:04] I thought it was.

[00:51:06] Pretty intense, actually, too, like I felt like they were kind of

[00:51:09] pushing back on people a lot.

[00:51:13] Charlie got a lot of pushback.

[00:51:15] He got the pushback from Hunter.

[00:51:17] I felt like he got pushed back by someone else, too.

[00:51:19] I just remember like watching and being like.

[00:51:23] There's a lot of like back and forth here that's making it

[00:51:26] a little bit interesting and engaging.

[00:51:28] Yeah. Who is the MVP of the jury?

[00:51:31] MVP of the jury, like reactions all season or are we just talking about

[00:51:35] like I think at the final trial final trial question?

[00:51:39] Hmm. If it's got Tiffany, like her.

[00:51:41] Yeah, the time to.

[00:51:42] Yeah. Well, she opened it up with like time.

[00:51:44] I'll tell you what we're not going to do.

[00:51:46] We're not going to talk about Taylor Swift

[00:51:48] and we're not going to be we're not going to do any pop culture,

[00:51:52] rock references.

[00:51:53] And I feel like she kind of boxed out Charlie and that's like

[00:51:58] she took away their superpowers.

[00:51:59] Yeah, she she told them both to tie one arm behind their back.

[00:52:02] Yeah.

[00:52:03] As she did.

[00:52:04] Like, how do you want me to like express myself?

[00:52:05] I can't I can't even talk about Taylor Swift.

[00:52:08] Yeah, no.

[00:52:09] Charlie had his whole like closing statements

[00:52:13] strung together with Taylor Swift lyrics.

[00:52:16] And that's what did it.

[00:52:18] Yeah. It's rough.

[00:52:20] I mean, that was I think that maybe threw off both of them.

[00:52:24] I think that's that's a rough way to start

[00:52:28] when you have your like key points just taken.

[00:52:31] Right. Especially when they had been practicing all day.

[00:52:35] I thought this was interesting, Jesse.

[00:52:37] I don't think I've ever seen this before, where it seemed like

[00:52:39] that multiple players were like rehearsing their speeches aloud.

[00:52:44] Oh, yeah, yeah, they had those clips.

[00:52:45] Yeah. I wouldn't know anything about being in like a final three

[00:52:48] and having to prep speeches.

[00:52:50] But from what I've heard,

[00:52:53] Owen once told me, I don't know if Owen's listening,

[00:52:56] but Owen once told me that they did like prep like a speech,

[00:52:59] like an opening or closing statement,

[00:53:01] and they just never got to say it.

[00:53:03] OK, like maybe it's something that they do, but I wouldn't know.

[00:53:08] Yeah.

[00:53:09] What is it like?

[00:53:10] Just like practice your speech out loud and then we'll film

[00:53:14] will the film you rehearsing?

[00:53:16] Oh, you don't think they did it naturally?

[00:53:19] I don't know. I feel like it's probably nerves.

[00:53:21] I feel like maybe this is the first time they've used footage.

[00:53:24] But what was Charlie draw?

[00:53:26] I don't know.

[00:53:27] He had a chart, maybe if somebody in the track could tell us

[00:53:30] what what Charlie was working on

[00:53:34] some kind of edgy chart or something.

[00:53:37] He's like, this is how it's going to be edited.

[00:53:39] This is how it's going to be edited.

[00:53:42] Yeah. So that was a really, really good final travel council.

[00:53:49] As far as the survivor after show went,

[00:53:53] I was a little disappointed with the survivor after show.

[00:53:57] Are you saying that it wasn't insightful?

[00:54:00] I really didn't think it was that great.

[00:54:03] And it was such a great season.

[00:54:06] Yeah, no, it was a chaotic season.

[00:54:08] And I felt like we didn't even really touch on

[00:54:11] like the things that made this season like very great.

[00:54:14] We just had to like, what did we relit?

[00:54:17] Like we relived like a bunch of idol clips,

[00:54:21] like how they found their idols.

[00:54:23] Yeah, I just feel like that we have made a lot of strides in the new era.

[00:54:28] But to me, I felt like that we're still like doing this.

[00:54:31] Like, all right, let's talk about how we found the idols this season.

[00:54:35] And it was like, OK, that was really like one of the least

[00:54:38] interesting things of the whole season.

[00:54:41] We talked about how Tevin and and Soto

[00:54:46] like made up songs.

[00:54:48] Yeah, I'm like, oh, was there not time to talk about how Mariah learned to jump?

[00:54:54] We not get to that.

[00:54:56] Apparently not.

[00:54:57] We didn't even talk about like this is like meltdown in depth or like

[00:55:03] I think that this is we just had to sit there and watch Charlie

[00:55:06] be broken, which honestly, like this was like it was very hard to look at.

[00:55:11] Charlie. Yeah. Like.

[00:55:13] That was very hard to talk about, like cancel Christmas, like cancel

[00:55:17] after show.

[00:55:19] That should be the catchphrase coming.

[00:55:20] Yeah. Let's talk about that.

[00:55:22] OK, so and Jeff does a good job, I think, of bringing this up

[00:55:27] of talks about like, OK, and who are the people that voted for Charlie?

[00:55:30] OK, Charlie, how do you feel knowing

[00:55:34] that Maria didn't vote for you and Charlie?

[00:55:38] We know how Charlie must be feeling.

[00:55:40] Yeah. And I just give him so much credit for being so magnanimous

[00:55:46] during this entire thing.

[00:55:49] Yeah, no, he took a couple of seconds to respond and he

[00:55:54] he responded very, very thoughtfully. Yeah.

[00:55:59] It was just this one point where he has his drink.

[00:56:02] And I think it's a beer, it seems like.

[00:56:05] It seems like that maybe the final three had beer and the other people

[00:56:08] had champagne. Yeah, they had different cups.

[00:56:10] I don't know. But at one point he thought it was tomato juice.

[00:56:14] He just like turns it off.

[00:56:18] No, it was rough to watch Charlie.

[00:56:20] I felt for it.

[00:56:21] And look, I think like I've watched the after show before, right?

[00:56:25] And I've seen, you know, faces like long faces.

[00:56:28] This felt like even worse.

[00:56:31] Like Charlie looked like worse than I've seen other people.

[00:56:34] Yeah. It was it was not.

[00:56:37] I just think that like.

[00:56:39] You could have the months of Twitter fun.

[00:56:44] Right. 46 has brought us and revisit it in a live after show.

[00:56:49] Yes, that would be so much better than what they got.

[00:56:53] They used to do it that way. Did they? Yes.

[00:56:55] I mean, this reunion show would have just been bonkers.

[00:56:59] Yeah. I saw it tweet you.

[00:57:01] Who tweeted it? Somebody tweeted about Jerry Sparrow's.

[00:57:04] Oh, yeah.

[00:57:05] It needs something like that.

[00:57:07] It really just would have been super wild.

[00:57:09] I mean, it seems like that they did not even want to like address any sort of conflict.

[00:57:14] Yeah. Q barely got anything at the after show and Q was like Q TV gold.

[00:57:21] And we barely talked about him. Yeah.

[00:57:23] They talked more about Carolyn than Q.

[00:57:28] She didn't get a shot.

[00:57:29] Multiple shout outs at the reunion show.

[00:57:31] Yeah, that's true.

[00:57:32] I mean, did they even get into like the Q skirt?

[00:57:35] The yeah, no, they didn't plug any of Q.

[00:57:39] I guess they didn't know that was going to necessarily be in the show, but

[00:57:42] he wore it to final tribal Applebee's.

[00:57:47] Rock, paper, scissors.

[00:57:49] There was a lot of like moments that were contentious

[00:57:51] and like there was tension that could have been revisited.

[00:57:53] But like maybe like maybe we're in a new era.

[00:57:57] Yeah, I don't know if we just want to like, OK, it's the survivor after show.

[00:58:00] It's a party. We're having like.

[00:58:02] We're we're trying. We're not bringing up anything negative.

[00:58:05] It is already rough.

[00:58:07] Like it is already rough to hold after show, like after the votes are in.

[00:58:11] So really want to get into any of the like.

[00:58:16] Hence issues, I guess.

[00:58:18] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:58:21] Kenzie talked a lot at the after show.

[00:58:25] She kind of did a reverse Gabler.

[00:58:28] She said she was asked.

[00:58:31] She was asked by Q about, OK, what are you going to do with the money?

[00:58:35] And she said, you know, I was tempted to say I'm going to.

[00:58:37] But you know what? I'm actually it's all for me.

[00:58:39] Yes, you did.

[00:58:41] And it was received well.

[00:58:43] People like that. It was fine.

[00:58:44] Like I thought I thought it was fine to say that.

[00:58:46] I think that it's important to be truthful and be honest.

[00:58:49] I think that it was I'm sure like why should she have to give the money away?

[00:58:54] Yeah, no, you want it. You earned it.

[00:58:56] I think that the final tribal council question that Kenzie said

[00:59:00] that got at that one thing that I thought was kind of funny,

[00:59:05] like I'm sure like they actually did mean these things.

[00:59:07] But it was like Charlie was like, I'm going to make some contributions

[00:59:12] to a couple of charities.

[00:59:14] And I just kept thinking Gabler did it and he did it bigger.

[00:59:17] Yeah, so game changer.

[00:59:20] Yeah, now everybody is going to say.

[00:59:23] Yeah, now you have to.

[00:59:25] OK, so all right, that was the 46 of it all.

[00:59:29] OK. And then we got a sneak peek.

[00:59:34] Or the of Survivor 40 several.

[00:59:38] Now, I have to say, as much as I've enjoyed the 40 several,

[00:59:42] like at the point where where Jeff is, you know, really pushing it.

[00:59:47] We love you, Jalinsky, but.

[00:59:55] It's like, OK, class, what is it?

[00:59:56] Survivor 40, what?

[00:59:58] Like, OK, all right.

[01:00:01] I still play Fortnite with you, Jalinsky.

[01:00:03] Swear. Yeah, it's not as fun anymore.

[01:00:05] Yeah. OK. All right.

[01:00:06] But it's far 47.

[01:00:08] We saw some.

[01:00:12] Pretty some pretty exciting things.

[01:00:14] Yeah, no, some exciting things.

[01:00:16] I don't know. What did you see, Rob?

[01:00:18] Yes. I saw some familiar faces.

[01:00:24] Yeah. Who?

[01:00:26] Well, so somebody who knows the thing or two about the Survivor draft.

[01:00:35] Our own.

[01:00:37] Asia Welch. Hey, I saw her.

[01:00:40] At least I saw a woman that looks exactly like her.

[01:00:44] Ring the bell twice.

[01:00:47] That's pretty incredible.

[01:00:49] That's awesome. Yeah.

[01:00:51] This is a first, right?

[01:00:53] This is a first for the R-Hap.

[01:00:57] Sure. Right. Like, am I wrong?

[01:01:02] I mean, pretty big deal.

[01:01:04] It is. Yeah.

[01:01:06] I mean, do I count? Yeah.

[01:01:10] But I saw another familiar face.

[01:01:15] I saw.

[01:01:18] Somebody that looked a lot like

[01:01:22] a longtime patron of Rob of the podcast.

[01:01:25] Oh, so that's exciting stuff.

[01:01:30] Was there also another you said something about the podcast?

[01:01:33] Oh, maybe we don't want to.

[01:01:34] Never mind. Don't mention that there was another.

[01:01:36] We don't want to promote other podcasts without.

[01:01:41] It's very exciting.

[01:01:42] It looks like a great cast.

[01:01:43] We're not legally allowed to say other names or.

[01:01:47] Yeah, you were allowed to say whatever.

[01:01:49] I was on TV. Great cast.

[01:01:50] Yeah, this is the they're filming after.

[01:01:53] Did they start filming after the 50 announcement?

[01:01:57] Yeah, they did. Right.

[01:01:58] Yes. OK.

[01:01:59] OK. Now it makes sense.

[01:02:01] All of them are like, we want to etch our names into the.

[01:02:05] Another famous person also we got to see from the podcast

[01:02:09] Podsave America, John Lovett, not John Lovett

[01:02:14] of SNL fame, John Lovett.

[01:02:17] One of the one of the hosts of Podsave America.

[01:02:20] Wow. I've never seen it.

[01:02:22] Yeah. OK.

[01:02:23] So maybe it's a podcast or theme.

[01:02:27] The one that you you said when we were down there watching

[01:02:30] and I thought like, maybe we didn't want to cross promote.

[01:02:33] No cross promote away, please.

[01:02:35] Cross promote means that they're going to promote us too.

[01:02:37] That's great. OK. All right.

[01:02:40] Survivor 47, it seems like that Jeff like talked about,

[01:02:42] like, I don't know if there's some kind of a theme

[01:02:44] about like blank page.

[01:02:47] Yeah, I don't.

[01:02:48] Maybe it's because they're like, what are they?

[01:02:50] Like a few days into filming.

[01:02:51] So it's like they don't really have much to work with.

[01:02:53] So they're. Yeah, I think the game is still happening.

[01:02:56] Yeah, I know. It definitely is.

[01:02:57] Yeah, I think a few days in.

[01:03:00] Maybe rumors and things that I'm hearing.

[01:03:05] But, you know, it seemed like they didn't have much to work with

[01:03:08] in terms of shots or but there's still no theme.

[01:03:11] Yeah. Now, they also said some one of these survivor

[01:03:16] 47 contestants, somebody that I don't know,

[01:03:19] said that there is a it was been the Mount Rushmore of the New Era.

[01:03:24] Did you know? First of all, do you know there was a Mount Rushmore

[01:03:27] of the New Era? How do I apply?

[01:03:30] Am I qualified to submit?

[01:03:32] I don't know.

[01:03:34] We're going to be doing it.

[01:03:35] No, we're going to be doing some off season podcasts all summer long.

[01:03:40] We've got some really big stuff that we're working on Wednesday nights.

[01:03:45] Mike Bloom, Shannon Guss.

[01:03:47] I'll be on a bunch of them.

[01:03:49] We're working on some great off season content.

[01:03:53] Maybe the first one might need to be who's on the Mount Rushmore of the New Era.

[01:03:58] Oh, my God, this is stressful.

[01:04:00] This is the most stressful announcement that has happened.

[01:04:04] Mount Rushmore of the New Era.

[01:04:07] Yeah, this is crazy.

[01:04:08] Yeah. No, no, there were there seemed to be a lot of people

[01:04:12] in that preview that were eager to like come in hard.

[01:04:16] Come in. Yeah, they were like, yeah, I want to be the Mount Rushmore.

[01:04:19] Potentially, Jeff saying like, OK, at some point we're going to bring people back.

[01:04:23] Do you think that that's or incepted the new players that are like,

[01:04:27] hey, I got to make a big impression?

[01:04:29] Yeah, I think 100 percent.

[01:04:31] I think like you go out there and like you.

[01:04:34] That's going to be weighing so that that's going to be weighing so heavily.

[01:04:37] People are going to be taking like crazy swings probably because it's like,

[01:04:41] hey, if I don't lose for the show, right, I don't lose that good.

[01:04:44] Yeah, no, that's going to be great for us to watch.

[01:04:47] But like I'm sure that it's

[01:04:49] I end up with people crashing and burning as well. Yeah.

[01:04:54] OK. All right.

[01:04:56] Let's take some questions from the listeners.

[01:04:59] OK. All right. Now.

[01:05:03] Here we go. Let's see.

[01:05:08] Looking at this for the first time.

[01:05:09] OK. How about.

[01:05:12] Hmm. All right, let's start with this one.

[01:05:15] OK, I'm a firm believer that every winner earn their win.

[01:05:18] But I think we think that Maria's vote and how it explained it made any sense.

[01:05:23] Also, it was heartbreaking to see Charlie find out.

[01:05:26] So certainly think do not.

[01:05:30] I don't want to take anything away from Kenzie.

[01:05:35] And Charlie even said that whoever whoever is the winner is the winner.

[01:05:44] I also agree that I don't think Maria's vote,

[01:05:47] as far as I've understood it so far, does make a ton of sense.

[01:05:53] Both these things can be true.

[01:05:54] Yes, Kenzie can deserve the win.

[01:05:59] But what we can also be confused about why did Maria vote for Kenzie?

[01:06:03] Yeah, I think so.

[01:06:04] I mean, the not fun answer is also like we weren't out there, right?

[01:06:09] So like we can't fully understand, you know, her thinking,

[01:06:13] behind it, right?

[01:06:15] But I think who was the one that said it?

[01:06:18] Boss Rob tell Michelle that a win is a win.

[01:06:22] I believe so when she was a hey, don't even worry about it.

[01:06:26] Yeah. OK. All right.

[01:06:30] Does Charlie win if he was the one to beat Liz at fire?

[01:06:34] Hmm. OK, so in this same exact scenario,

[01:06:39] Charlie beats Liz, same final three,

[01:06:42] but Charlie has fire making under his belt.

[01:06:46] Does do any of the five Kenzie votes flip?

[01:06:50] I don't know if they do.

[01:06:52] I mean, Maria said, I saw the fire in her eyes when she won

[01:06:58] the fire making, but.

[01:07:01] I just kind of feel like.

[01:07:04] Really, that was really it.

[01:07:07] I mean, it takes away that reasoning and.

[01:07:13] Yeah, I don't think Q flips, right?

[01:07:15] Q's rationale was like, who's money going to like

[01:07:19] make have the most impact?

[01:07:23] Tiff was voting for Kenzie.

[01:07:25] But can I go back to something from, you know,

[01:07:30] Survivor 43, Survivor 44, we have people make the fire very fast.

[01:07:35] Is it that they people make the fire in such an impressive way

[01:07:39] that that's a thing like if it takes you 27 minutes,

[01:07:43] 20 several minutes to make the fire?

[01:07:46] I don't know. I don't know.

[01:07:47] But it looks like that people were like, oh, my God, she's blowing it.

[01:07:50] And then she came back and won it like is any fire an impressive fire?

[01:07:55] Does it have to be a quick fire to be impressive?

[01:07:59] I will say I think that there's something about the fire

[01:08:01] making challenge that does make it different.

[01:08:04] I think it makes it different than like even if it's like a Becky and Sandra

[01:08:08] ask thing where that is a very extreme example.

[01:08:11] I don't think it's that.

[01:08:13] But I do think there is something different about that challenge

[01:08:16] because it is a sort of like one on one sort of like thing.

[01:08:20] It is it is a very unique sort of challenge that Survivor has

[01:08:25] relative to the other ones.

[01:08:26] I don't know that like Charlie jumping into the fire changes.

[01:08:31] OK, they get together.

[01:08:33] One thing I do when I like talk about with the fire making challenge

[01:08:36] being like so long where it wasn't like we've been accustomed

[01:08:39] to these sort of like record breaking kind of like fires.

[01:08:43] Jakes wasn't. But like this felt more like it wasn't necessarily Kenzie

[01:08:48] versus like Liz.

[01:08:50] It was like Kenzie versus like the moment.

[01:08:53] Right. Like the pressure, like they kept like cutting to like Jeff

[01:08:56] saying the pressure, it's the pressure.

[01:08:59] They had Q in there saying like the pressure is going to

[01:09:02] you know, either make a pipe bust or make a diamond.

[01:09:06] Right. Yeah.

[01:09:07] So like I felt like that was like, you know, interesting.

[01:09:11] Way that the fire making challenge was portrayed,

[01:09:14] at least for this just felt like it was Kenzie versus like the moment

[01:09:18] versus Kenzie.

[01:09:19] Yeah. Chappelle in the chat says if the fire looks too easy,

[01:09:22] then it wasn't impressive.

[01:09:23] I feel like you have to kind of build it up.

[01:09:25] So there's some suspense.

[01:09:27] So it hits hard. Is it sort of like like

[01:09:30] professional wrestling, Jesse, where you have to like before the hero wins,

[01:09:34] you have to get like beat up for a while.

[01:09:36] Well, Chappelle, I'm going to tell you right now,

[01:09:39] I was trying to build suspense with my fire.

[01:09:42] It wasn't going to be impressive if you did it too fast.

[01:09:44] Backfired. Right.

[01:09:46] Yeah, no, I was trying to make it look like I was getting beat up at first

[01:09:50] and then I got smoked out.

[01:09:52] It was. Yeah.

[01:09:54] Yeah. OK.

[01:09:55] How about some more questions?

[01:09:58] And please keep your questions coming in the chat.

[01:10:01] OK, if we didn't talk about something that you wanted us to get to.

[01:10:07] Here's a question.

[01:10:08] What's more likely to come back, Jesse? Live reunions.

[01:10:12] I think they mean 39 days or two tribes pre-emerge.

[01:10:16] What's more likely to come?

[01:10:17] What's more likely a live reunion?

[01:10:20] Thirty nine days or two tribes.

[01:10:24] Probably two tribes.

[01:10:25] I think two tribes seems like the easiest.

[01:10:26] That's easy.

[01:10:27] I don't think thirty nine days will ever come back.

[01:10:29] I would rank them two tribes most likely.

[01:10:33] Live reunion second most likely.

[01:10:37] Thirty nine days least likely.

[01:10:39] Yeah, that's probably right.

[01:10:41] I think I was going to say live reunions least likely, but

[01:10:45] because of the fact that they're filming right now,

[01:10:47] so there would be no way for them to do a live reunion,

[01:10:49] but they can always adjust their schedule.

[01:10:51] They can adjust the schedule.

[01:10:51] I don't think they're going to extend to 39 days.

[01:10:55] Yeah, especially with.

[01:11:00] They basically did a live reunion for survival 45.

[01:11:04] They just didn't air it on television.

[01:11:06] When they had a whole party and they invited the whole cast.

[01:11:10] They got everybody together.

[01:11:12] Yeah, like they could just film that. Yeah.

[01:11:16] They could have and then aired it on Instagram.

[01:11:18] Like, I don't know, do something.

[01:11:19] Yeah, no. Yeah, I don't think thirty nine.

[01:11:22] I think you're right.

[01:11:23] Thirty nine. I think they're really pot committed to.

[01:11:26] Hey, we're not doing thirty nine anymore.

[01:11:28] Mm hmm. OK. All right.

[01:11:31] How about people have questions about the new era?

[01:11:38] OK, a lot of questions about I'm trying not to stick on Maria and Charlie,

[01:11:43] but that is the bulk of questions that I'm seeing about this. OK.

[01:11:50] Orange Cat says if Maria wins final five immunity,

[01:11:53] despite the help for Kenzie, does she still go after Charlie?

[01:11:57] She seemed to want to work with him again after the vote before the challenge.

[01:12:02] But I don't know.

[01:12:05] OK, so Maria wins final five immunity.

[01:12:08] Is she still like, hey, let's all vote out Charlie?

[01:12:11] Wonder like maybe not. Like.

[01:12:15] I don't know. It's hard to base it off of like what she did

[01:12:18] when she came back after she lost because, right,

[01:12:20] she's going to throw out like anything you can and work with

[01:12:23] whoever is like the most willing.

[01:12:25] And Charlie was like very good at making himself seem willing to work with her.

[01:12:30] But I mean, it's possible.

[01:12:32] And then I mean, that would that would tell us whether or not

[01:12:35] she viewed him as like her equal, right?

[01:12:37] Like we're like a threat.

[01:12:38] But she we do have her again, like you said, in a competition

[01:12:42] Charlie, we need to get Charlie out.

[01:12:44] So it's hard.

[01:12:45] Like, I think we're going to like have we can pretend to know here.

[01:12:49] But like, I think we really have to just get on this.

[01:12:53] And maybe from Charlie, maybe maybe Maria told Charlie like, hey,

[01:12:57] if you don't work with me, I'm not giving you my vote.

[01:13:01] Maybe, maybe. Who knows?

[01:13:03] That wouldn't be the first time that that's happened. OK.

[01:13:08] Question from K.

[01:13:09] Killen, if Randin doesn't get medevac and Kenzie goes home,

[01:13:14] does that mean both Tiffany and Hunter have played their idols

[01:13:19] and flip the game completely?

[01:13:20] OK, so we are going off of

[01:13:24] Q's word that Kenzie was going home.

[01:13:30] We saw even tonight Q seems to have some issues with memory recollection.

[01:13:37] I asked Q personally.

[01:13:41] After I did the when I did the exit interview last week,

[01:13:44] I said, Q, was Kenzie going to go home?

[01:13:47] He says, well, Tiff says now she wasn't going home, but on the beach,

[01:13:53] he claims Tiffany said she was voting out Kenzie.

[01:13:59] According to Q, I mean, I did not get to ask Tiffany that question.

[01:14:06] Were you voting out Kenzie?

[01:14:08] I think it's a really I don't know.

[01:14:10] I think you have to take

[01:14:12] things that you heard on the beach with the grain assault.

[01:14:14] But also, I think you probably have to take things

[01:14:17] you hear from Q.

[01:14:18] Q's exit interviews with the grain of salt.

[01:14:21] Yeah, that's really hard.

[01:14:22] It's a great right now for me that quest just to go back to Tiffany.

[01:14:25] Yeah.

[01:14:26] OK, deep dive, deep dive, deep maybe with Tiffany.

[01:14:30] And look, I'm going to try

[01:14:32] to get as many of the deep dives in as I can.

[01:14:37] OK, I'm going to try.

[01:14:39] That's my promise.

[01:14:41] The hour and deep dive, right?

[01:14:43] I mean, if they let me do more than an hour, I'll do more than an hour.

[01:14:45] But I think I have to take what they give me.

[01:14:49] OK, all right.

[01:14:51] Deep dive with Bonu, I don't know about that.

[01:14:55] Yeah. OK.

[01:14:58] How about this question?

[01:14:59] Chuck wants to know why is it not asked why Liz voted for Charlie

[01:15:02] and not Kenzie? That feels very surprising to me as well.

[01:15:04] I have to say, yeah, that's that is surprising to me.

[01:15:09] Is she is she upset with Kenzie for beating her in the fire?

[01:15:15] I don't think that she's I don't know.

[01:15:17] It didn't come off.

[01:15:18] I mean, it didn't come off like she was upset.

[01:15:22] I mean, she was upset when she left the tribal area,

[01:15:25] but like on the jury, she stood up for she stood up for Kenzie

[01:15:28] and she was going to hear more of what Kenzie has to say.

[01:15:31] Didn't seem like it was sour grapes.

[01:15:34] No, I don't know.

[01:15:35] It did seem weird because it felt like they were kind of a duo

[01:15:39] towards the end.

[01:15:41] It did. Yeah.

[01:15:43] OK, Nolan asks,

[01:15:45] do you think that Ben and or Liz lost the game when Venus and Q were voted out?

[01:15:51] Seems like it seems like sitting with a combination of those two in the end

[01:15:55] would have been the best bet at winning Ben or Venus needed.

[01:16:00] I'm sorry. Ben or Liz needed Venus and Q.

[01:16:03] Ben or Liz need you.

[01:16:04] I don't know.

[01:16:05] Q everybody seems to think Q would like draw dead or something.

[01:16:09] But like, I don't think he draws that yet.

[01:16:11] Like, I think that I think he had an interesting story to tell.

[01:16:13] Yeah, I think that he had a good shot.

[01:16:15] And I honestly think Venus,

[01:16:18] Venus like had like issues with like relationship management, it seemed like.

[01:16:21] But like, I also think that like her story, if she was able to get to the end,

[01:16:26] could also like flip things in her direction.

[01:16:29] So I don't think either of those two people would.

[01:16:31] I think I needed to see Venus at a final tribal council.

[01:16:33] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Mm hmm.

[01:16:37] Is for like Soda, Tevin, Hunter,

[01:16:40] like ask her a question like, yeah, I guess like the Empire State Building.

[01:16:50] So yeah, Venus, I have a question for you.

[01:16:56] How would you say that your social game transfers to

[01:17:01] the building?

[01:17:03] If you know what I mean, yeah.

[01:17:07] OK, what landmark or monument do you want to be with?

[01:17:12] Mount Rushmore.

[01:17:16] Have you ever picked a fight with a landmark, Jesse?

[01:17:20] Not that I can recall, but maybe I should start.

[01:17:24] Yeah, I mean, it was a wild day today.

[01:17:27] Venus talked about how she thought the Empire State Building was ugly

[01:17:31] and the Empire State Building clapped back at Venus.

[01:17:35] I mean, our podcast audience doesn't necessarily follow

[01:17:40] every single thing that happens on social media.

[01:17:42] Walmart started posting about all the supplies

[01:17:47] you can buy for your Survivor Watch Party tonight.

[01:17:51] Yeah, no, it was.

[01:17:53] Survivor was like, was it trending on Twitter?

[01:17:56] It must have been at that point.

[01:17:58] Must have been like I think Empire State Building retweeting you.

[01:18:03] Mm hmm. That broaches a whole new audience.

[01:18:06] Yeah, the Empire struck back. Yeah. OK.

[01:18:10] Jesse, what else is on your mind about Survivor 46?

[01:18:15] I think we kind of covered a lot.

[01:18:17] Covered a lot of ground. Yeah, a lot of ground.

[01:18:20] Overall, the finale was not too wild of an affair.

[01:18:25] Yeah, I will say for like a chaotic season, it sort of was a

[01:18:31] less chaotic and sort of more straightforward finale, I felt like.

[01:18:35] Mm hmm. I felt like the final five vote was pretty straightforward.

[01:18:38] Maria didn't win. She was going to go home.

[01:18:41] Mm hmm. Yeah, they showed us a lot of votes also on them.

[01:18:44] They didn't even try to sell like some like they were on the beach

[01:18:50] and it was like, oh, maybe Liz is going to vote for Ben.

[01:18:52] OK. Yeah, no, I mean, they really gave Maria her sort of like flowers

[01:18:57] in her exit.

[01:18:59] I think it was sort of a goodbye Maria kind of thing.

[01:19:03] Mm hmm. Yeah. OK.

[01:19:06] Yeah. OK.

[01:19:08] Jesse, do you have picks tonight for who might be a recipient

[01:19:13] of some Sia money? Of the Sia? Yeah.

[01:19:18] Off the top, Ben.

[01:19:20] Ben. I feel like Ben.

[01:19:21] Yeah, I think Ben is definitely in the mix for some Sia money.

[01:19:25] What about Charlie?

[01:19:28] I could see it. Yeah, I could see it. Yeah.

[01:19:31] Like, again, very weird to talk about, like somebody gifting their money

[01:19:37] and make predictions about how they're going to allocate their money,

[01:19:40] because I feel like Sia has been sort of like,

[01:19:43] I don't know if she has a criteria for that.

[01:19:45] But I could see Ben like getting like the big Sia prize

[01:19:49] and then maybe Charlie getting like a small amount.

[01:19:52] Yeah, she was like pulling for Charlie.

[01:19:55] Maybe. What about Liz?

[01:19:58] Ooh. Will the Applebee's meltdown?

[01:20:04] I don't know. Maybe Sia has a soft spot for Applebee's.

[01:20:06] OK, all right.

[01:20:09] Then I think maybe we should leave it there.

[01:20:14] I mean, I'm trying to see if we have any other questions.

[01:20:17] Chad, if you have any last second questions,

[01:20:21] I'll certainly take them.

[01:20:23] But we've got a busy day coming up on Thursday.

[01:20:26] We've got five exit interviews, including Talking with a Winner.

[01:20:31] We'll talk with all five tomorrow morning.

[01:20:34] And then I'll be live again tomorrow at 3 p.m.

[01:20:39] to talk about everything with Omar Zahir.

[01:20:43] Yeah, Dee's commercial.

[01:20:44] Anything you want to say about the Quiet Place?

[01:20:47] Get your tickets now.

[01:20:48] That was pretty interesting.

[01:20:50] I saw that on social media and then I was very surprised to see it on TV.

[01:20:55] I mean, look at look at Survivor.

[01:20:58] Dee's a legend.

[01:20:59] Dee's a legend.

[01:21:00] A real influencer.

[01:21:02] Legendary. Yeah.

[01:21:04] Joe legendary.

[01:21:05] Her toes have carried her a long way.

[01:21:09] Right. You would think that that might hold her back in a quiet place.

[01:21:13] Oh, no. She's tripping over it.

[01:21:16] Yeah. I mean, I didn't even know a quiet place was like a noun.

[01:21:22] I mean, sounded like you didn't even know it was a movie.

[01:21:25] Yeah, yeah.

[01:21:26] I got it confused with Bird Box.

[01:21:28] That's the one with Sandra Boyd.

[01:21:30] I said, yeah, that all quiet place.

[01:21:31] That's like where you have to get blindfolded.

[01:21:33] Right now, Jesse's like, no, that's actually

[01:21:35] Quiet Place is totally different movie and a sequel.

[01:21:39] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:21:40] That's why the D was walking so fast.

[01:21:45] She was looking up.

[01:21:46] She's like, OK, this is how you survive the quiet place.

[01:21:50] OK, by walking by walking, you know, walk fast power walk through the quiet place.

[01:21:55] All right, Jesse, let me tell you about what else we've got going on here

[01:21:58] on Rob's podcast. OK? All right.

[01:22:01] We've got coming up a different Mount Rushmore.

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[01:22:38] Next up, we're talking the finale with Omar.

[01:22:42] Now. I didn't like that Omar was

[01:22:47] being a little mean on the BNB.

[01:22:51] Oh, yeah. He came in hot, came in hot.

[01:22:54] Yeah, came in hot.

[01:22:55] He kept making jokes about me going out at fire.

[01:22:59] I'm making. Yeah, no, I hope I didn't like it either.

[01:23:01] He's not going to be too feisty tomorrow.

[01:23:04] Oh, you better watch out for spicy.

[01:23:06] Omar will watch out for if spicy.

[01:23:09] Omar shows up tomorrow when we're talking about the finale

[01:23:12] on Thursday, 3 p.m. Eastern Time.

[01:23:16] OK? Of course, a busy week.

[01:23:18] Check out everything we've got going on in our survivor podcast feed

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[01:23:26] about Survivor 46 and make sure to keep it there all summer long

[01:23:31] because we've got some big things planned over on our Patreon feed, Jesse.

[01:23:36] You know, there's also this Australia versus US

[01:23:40] survivor season that's rumored.

[01:23:44] And they announced it.

[01:23:45] And then there's a lot of rumors.

[01:23:47] I got together with Shannon Goss and Mike Bloom, two real journalists.

[01:23:53] We talked about what we do know at this hour

[01:23:57] and then speculated wildly about everything else.

[01:24:02] Had to put that in the patron feed.

[01:24:04] Rob is website, a patron.

[01:24:07] Yeah. Are you do you have anything else?

[01:24:11] Like, are you?

[01:24:13] Am I what taking a trip down under?

[01:24:16] No, no, I am not.

[01:24:18] OK, my phone is not ready.

[01:24:20] OK, but I talked about maybe who might

[01:24:24] who from we have no there has not been a lot of talk about

[01:24:27] who from Survivor Australia, Australian survivor

[01:24:30] is going to be maybe in the mix.

[01:24:32] Talked about that quite a bit.

[01:24:33] OK, I think King George.

[01:24:36] Right. There's there's tons of people that I can think of.

[01:24:40] I want to know who you all think.

[01:24:41] So I will be tuning in.

[01:24:44] I'll send you a link. Thank you.

[01:24:46] Check that out. It's in our patron podcast feed only.

[01:24:48] Then we try out something new.

[01:24:50] Jesse, I know you love Mr. Beast.

[01:24:52] Do you ever check out Jetlag?

[01:24:56] No, no, no, it's a YouTube.

[01:24:58] Yeah, yeah, I've heard about it. I haven't watched it.

[01:25:00] And it's basically they play travel games

[01:25:03] and Taron has been saying

[01:25:07] we should get into covering it.

[01:25:08] And finally, we executed

[01:25:12] and Taron and Sasha Joseph got together,

[01:25:14] talked about the first episode of Jetlag's newest season in Australia.

[01:25:20] Check that out on our YouTube channel or in the podcast feed as well.

[01:25:23] Jetlag. Awesome.

[01:25:24] I am contractually obligated to only talk about Mr. Beast.

[01:25:27] Yes, that's fine. I know you're a Mr. Beast family.

[01:25:31] But of course, the podcast that we did talking to Australian

[01:25:36] survivor, we're going to have our patron feedback show.

[01:25:38] Final one of the season coming up on Friday.

[01:25:41] Those have been fun all season long.

[01:25:43] Go to Rob's website, a comp slash patron to become a part of this amazing community.

[01:25:50] Put a few survivors on the show.

[01:25:53] Yeah, sign up and you might be next.

[01:25:56] Yeah, that's not our goal, but it's been happening.

[01:26:00] But it needs to be your tag.

[01:26:02] Rob is website, a comp slash subscribe for all of our podcast feeds.

[01:26:05] OK, Jesse, we've done it again.

[01:26:08] Again, again, Rob.

[01:26:11] I got to be honest.

[01:26:12] Yeah, I have nothing on my mind.

[01:26:15] Nothing coming up over the next year.

[01:26:17] I have nothing.

[01:26:18] Yes. You don't plug anything.

[01:26:20] No, nothing.

[01:26:21] Yeah, nothing on possibly.

[01:26:23] There's nothing that possibly could have been announced.

[01:26:25] That's going to be weighing on anybody who's ever played survivor over the next year.

[01:26:32] I just want to know, do you want to play poker with me?

[01:26:34] And if we ever end up on an island together,

[01:26:38] you know, potentially work together.

[01:26:41] OK, I mean, I'm in.

[01:26:43] I mean, who else?

[01:26:44] Who else is coming?

[01:26:45] I don't have anybody yet, but we're working.

[01:26:48] OK, all right.

[01:26:50] New era of poker.

[01:26:52] Jalinski. Let's get him.

[01:26:54] I have Donnellan on speed dial.

[01:26:56] I don't know. He never text, but Brandon Donnellan.

[01:26:59] Yeah. OK.

[01:27:01] He won't ever text me.

[01:27:02] He always texts everybody else trying to pre get.

[01:27:04] I don't believe it.

[01:27:05] Yeah, I don't believe you.

[01:27:07] OK, all right.

[01:27:08] So thank you so much, everybody, for tuning in to our podcast live.

[01:27:16] And I hope we can keep this going for the future.

[01:27:20] We'll have impressions next time.

[01:27:21] Apparently we couldn't get to those.

[01:27:24] What do you want an impression of?

[01:27:27] Russell hands hit us with a Russell hands take.

[01:27:31] Jesse, why?

[01:27:32] Why don't you return my messages, Jesse?

[01:27:36] I said in forty six, forty six.

[01:27:42] That that the jury was this was a bitter jury.

[01:27:48] They should let me decide.

[01:27:50] Let America decide who should win.

[01:27:53] That'll fix the game.

[01:27:57] We'll remove Russell hands from.

[01:28:00] We'll just stick with like other people.

[01:28:02] Who do you else you want?

[01:28:04] I know. Give us a Boston Robb, Boston Robb.

[01:28:07] Hey, Jesse, so here you want to play poker.

[01:28:13] You think you could play?

[01:28:14] Have you perfected your cue yet?

[01:28:17] No, no, I don't think so.

[01:28:19] Needs a little work.

[01:28:20] OK, we'll work out that one next time.

[01:28:22] Next finale, we'll have like you on the stick.

[01:28:25] We'll have Carolyn on the stick.

[01:28:27] We'll have yeah.

[01:28:28] Yeah, hot dog on a stick.

[01:28:30] Sure. All right.

[01:28:32] Thank you so much, everybody.

[01:28:34] Pleasure to be podcasting about all of this nonsense.

[01:28:38] Once again, take care of everybody.

[01:28:40] Have a good one. Bye.

[01:28:48] OK, round two.

[01:28:49] Name something that's not boring.

[01:28:52] Laundry? Oh, a book club.

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