James Jones Ep 10 Post Game Show | Survivor 46

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[00:00:15] always save you a seat at Rahapal bees. I am Rob Cesternino. Hello everybody. Welcome

[00:00:20] back. Survivor post game show episode 10. It was another good one on this little season

[00:00:27] that keeps on going. And I'm so happy to have back here with us to talk about it all.

[00:00:33] One of the truly fun people to talk survivor with it's James, the Godfather Jones. James,

[00:00:40] how are you? I'm doing well. Thanks for the warm welcome, Rob. I'm so excited to be here

[00:00:47] man. I feel like we're about to have a fun episode to talk about this season is spicy.

[00:00:52] Yeah. The season is spicy and so are always James's takes. And so we'll get into everything

[00:00:59] here tonight. We want to see your questions here in the live chat and of course, your comments

[00:01:04] after the show. And I thought this was just James, I think this is an episode of survivor

[00:01:10] that we will never forget tonight. I feel like this is the thing like the players

[00:01:16] nowadays they're able to blindside people with these idols. Like I feel like this

[00:01:21] is one of those things where everybody like what plays the game and watch the

[00:01:26] game and says, I would never do that. I know what I'm supposed to do. But when you're out

[00:01:31] there, you're playing with people that they have their effect on you too. And that's

[00:01:36] what happens. They don't know what to do. They don't know what to do with these idols

[00:01:40] and the second week in a row, we'll see somebody go home with the idol in their pocket.

[00:01:46] Third time this season that we've seen somebody go home with the idol in their pocket. We've

[00:01:50] seen zero idols played three idols go home in the pockets. No advantages even get used.

[00:01:58] Tevin went home with an extra vote in his pocket. So this has not been the season for

[00:02:03] advantages, James. Yeah, it's very, very exciting. Like and that's the thing about

[00:02:09] the game where you know, advantages, no advantages. Literally the people in the

[00:02:13] gameplay just makes a survivor just a fun now hour and a half of television to watch.

[00:02:17] Okay, so we got a lot to break down from this episode as Tiffany goes out of the

[00:02:22] game. Very sad. My, my winner pick, my draft pick. Very sad to see Tiffany go. We'll

[00:02:29] have her on the exit interview coming up on Thursday plus Stephen Fishback on the

[00:02:34] survivor. No, it all's coming up on Thursday as well. And then on Friday, I'll be

[00:02:39] back taking calls from our patrons. I've been going about two hours, two

[00:02:44] hours plus taking just a ton of calls from the patrons talking about all the

[00:02:48] strategy been really, really fun so far this season. And of course you can get

[00:02:53] that at Rob is a website.com slash patron. Okay. So James, what's new with you?

[00:03:00] So I mean, I'm still in Philadelphia. Um, I'm back working. It's a regular

[00:03:04] working world. You know, I feel like there was a lot of big survivor news

[00:03:07] like that dropped about, you know, season 50, returning players.

[00:03:12] What happened? I mean, apparently they said something about survivor 50.

[00:03:17] I did. I mean, you know, I feel like, you know, the game is a foot now.

[00:03:21] You know, like, I feel like, okay. Yeah. James, there's only so many spots

[00:03:26] at Applebee's open and there's going to be some people very sad in a couple

[00:03:32] of years. I mean, I feel like everybody's going to be sad, but I

[00:03:37] mean, the chosen few that get the call. Great. You know, I mean, I'm not

[00:03:43] going to sit there and I hope, I hope I go. Everybody wants to play.

[00:03:47] I feel like even people that like said they would never play if they got

[00:03:51] a phone call, they would like strongly consider it.

[00:03:54] Okay. Well, look, James, we'll see maybe some people from survivor 46

[00:04:00] are cementing their spot as we speak.

[00:04:03] I mean, some big moves tonight. Some major gameplay.

[00:04:07] Better invite Applebee's back, James.

[00:04:09] Applebee's, I think, tonight earned a spot on survivor 50.

[00:04:13] But it looks so good.

[00:04:15] And you know, like bad food out there tastes good.

[00:04:19] So like even getting some microwaved Applebee's

[00:04:23] is probably the best stuff ever, ever, ever, ever.

[00:04:26] No doubt. No doubt.

[00:04:27] The Applebee's for it's great for the survivors.

[00:04:31] And I'm sure it was great, even if you were not starving for 18 days

[00:04:36] on an island at what a boy, did Applebee's get their monies worth or what tonight?

[00:04:41] I won't give Applebee's another plug.

[00:04:43] There is an Applebee's by my gym that plays survivor every Wednesday night.

[00:04:48] And I go there sometimes to watch it after my workout.

[00:04:51] OK, well, James is building up his story for survivor 50, where

[00:04:55] if he doesn't get picked for Applebee's cut to the montage,

[00:05:00] Sia is going to feel so bad for him that he didn't get to have Applebee's

[00:05:04] after it's part of his post workout routine.

[00:05:08] It is part of my transformation, you know?

[00:05:11] OK, all right. Well, just I thought this was a classic episode tonight.

[00:05:16] I think that the Liz not getting picked to go to Applebee's.

[00:05:23] James, I just think that we're going to talk about this forever.

[00:05:27] This was like classic survivor moment.

[00:05:30] This is the moment that I think like producers are dreaming for.

[00:05:34] We're like, they know this is here and it just lines up in their lap.

[00:05:38] And it's like it's so natural, like it's very authentic.

[00:05:40] And I think that's the reason why it hits is because it really is a moment

[00:05:43] for Liz where like you see and you just see it fall through her hands.

[00:05:48] And it's it but it's also survivor because poetic where you did vote

[00:05:53] for this guy to go out.

[00:05:54] So he kind of doesn't really owe you anything technically from a game standpoint.

[00:05:59] So it's and that's survivor is that's just kind of where

[00:06:02] and you know, the issue ends up voting to keep him in the game.

[00:06:05] All right, let's start there.

[00:06:07] OK, because I really want to talk to you about Liz's decision tonight

[00:06:11] because the whole episode, I mean, this was this great Shakespearean story of,

[00:06:18] OK, Liz has the chance now all the power is in Liz's hands

[00:06:24] after she didn't get picked to go to Applebee's Q screwed up her game.

[00:06:30] Maria comes to her.

[00:06:32] Hey, Liz, you're the one vote that's going to decide this thing.

[00:06:37] Do you want to send Q home or do you want to take Tiffany out?

[00:06:43] James, I want to know from you.

[00:06:45] Do you think that Liz made the right decision?

[00:06:49] I think it depends on the strength of the bonds that Liz

[00:06:52] feels like she has in the track.

[00:06:54] So if Liz feels like we're going to seven now, right?

[00:06:57] Yes.

[00:06:57] If Liz feels she has a four that she can trust going into the seven,

[00:07:02] then great, you know, like that makes sense.

[00:07:06] If I mean, you have Q there as his big shield as a kind of maybe

[00:07:09] consensus vote, but clearly Jeff said it himself.

[00:07:12] Q has been a smoke screen for the last three votes.

[00:07:16] So sometimes you just need to take out the smoke screen,

[00:07:19] but it hasn't been happening now.

[00:07:21] So who's going to be next victim, possibly so.

[00:07:23] If I was her, like, is the move to maybe tie the vote?

[00:07:28] OK, this is what I, James, I thought about this as it was happening

[00:07:33] and tell me where the hole is with this plan, because I think

[00:07:36] that I have the perfect move for Liz that she should have done.

[00:07:40] Because maybe tonight she did big mistake.

[00:07:45] I think she did.

[00:07:46] Because listen to this.

[00:07:47] OK, listen to this, James.

[00:07:49] OK, Liz goes to that tribal council.

[00:07:52] OK, and everybody votes.

[00:07:56] Jeff comes back with the earn.

[00:07:58] Does anybody want to play an advantage?

[00:08:01] Liz stands up says, Tiffany, play your idol.

[00:08:07] You are getting voted out tonight.

[00:08:10] Maria, Charlie, Ben and Q, they wrote your name down.

[00:08:15] There's four votes for you in that earn.

[00:08:19] Play your idol right now and Q will go home.

[00:08:23] Tiffany.

[00:08:24] OK, stands up plays the idol.

[00:08:28] They've OK, this is a real idol votes for Tiffany does not count.

[00:08:33] All right, Q Q Q Q Q out of the game.

[00:08:37] This is Liz's move.

[00:08:39] She did it.

[00:08:40] She gets Q out of the game.

[00:08:42] She's got the move for her resume.

[00:08:45] Everybody is just going crazy.

[00:08:48] This is the move for Liz.

[00:08:51] I think the issue now is getting Q out of a move.

[00:08:56] Like, I feel like that would be a move.

[00:08:58] That would be a move, James.

[00:09:01] I feel like the way they're talking about Q, I can't write.

[00:09:04] I actually am enjoying Q's gameplay and going from a big threat

[00:09:08] to being someone that people want to play with them

[00:09:11] and take to probably pretty far.

[00:09:14] Yeah.

[00:09:14] Um, so with that being said, you know,

[00:09:18] it would have been the move or you talked to Tiffany

[00:09:23] beforehand and you take out of Maria or you take out.

[00:09:27] Well, you can't take on Charlie.

[00:09:28] So you take out of Maria possibly whoever you think is

[00:09:30] threatening your game.

[00:09:31] Yeah.

[00:09:32] So Q made you mad.

[00:09:34] I don't know how much time Liz could have had prior to

[00:09:37] tribal council.

[00:09:38] I got the chance, the sense that they told Liz kind of very last

[00:09:41] minute.

[00:09:42] I think at the point where they're sort of watching Liz after

[00:09:45] that, if Liz goes back to Tiffany, I don't know if

[00:09:48] they if they can change up the plan at that point.

[00:09:52] So I'm not sure if it was really, if there was enough time for

[00:09:55] Liz to be able to flip things around.

[00:09:57] I guess for Liz and I am a Liz fan.

[00:10:01] I thought this was such a great episode for I saw people

[00:10:07] on my timeline complaining about like, were you not

[00:10:09] entertained by this?

[00:10:11] I mean, this was just incredible television.

[00:10:14] But for Liz, I just I worry that there is not a path for her

[00:10:19] to both get to the end and also have something to show

[00:10:24] to the jury.

[00:10:27] Sometimes you don't.

[00:10:28] You need to have a good story about your games

[00:10:30] in a jury.

[00:10:31] I think that's the thing.

[00:10:32] If you're able to paint yourself as the hero in your

[00:10:35] story and your information is accurate and it checks out,

[00:10:39] you can find yourself with a million dollars if you

[00:10:42] have two other people that the jury may not have a taste

[00:10:44] for the game they played or something, some things

[00:10:47] that they did during the game.

[00:10:48] You never know.

[00:10:50] So I think it's more about understanding the read

[00:10:53] and being at least brought in on that story and that plan.

[00:10:57] And now you can kind of plunge your way forward,

[00:10:59] you know, and hopefully make a make another move

[00:11:02] or just move forward and kind of make some things happen.

[00:11:04] And I also get the sense that Liz is at the bottom

[00:11:07] of where things are.

[00:11:09] And so to go along with this vote, to be the fifth

[00:11:12] vote at the last second to take out, to take out Tiffany.

[00:11:17] And it's not like she's got a chance to work with you.

[00:11:19] Like where is her inroads to get like in a group

[00:11:24] to get to the final three coming out of this?

[00:11:27] I just felt like that if she would have made that move

[00:11:30] and maybe she becomes the biggest target after

[00:11:33] she makes that move to tell Tiffany to play her idol.

[00:11:37] But I kind of feel like that.

[00:11:38] I mean, is there some appreciation from the Tiffany Kenzie

[00:11:43] Venus side that she ends up saving Tiffany in that spot?

[00:11:48] And then it's like, hey, the four of us now, let's gang up on

[00:11:51] the three Seagas and make a run to the end.

[00:11:55] All right. So you're saying Q.

[00:11:58] In the world where where where Liz told Tiffany

[00:12:03] to play her idol at tribal council and then Q goes home.

[00:12:05] There would be four of the people that voted for Q versus

[00:12:09] the three Seagas potentially.

[00:12:13] I feel like maybe she's in the middle.

[00:12:15] So no, I feel like I don't know.

[00:12:18] I feel like Q was Maria's person right now.

[00:12:20] Like if you're going to take someone to the end, are you taking Q or Liz?

[00:12:24] Well, that's what I feel like that Liz is in a bad spot.

[00:12:28] I feel like that Maria might be more likely to want to take Q to the end.

[00:12:34] But and I think this is kind of a good conversation to have

[00:12:37] where you're talking about, OK, like what's my path to winning?

[00:12:41] Or what's my path to going like far in the game?

[00:12:44] Right. And you have to kind of make that decision.

[00:12:46] And hopefully your calculus correct is that the game that you're playing

[00:12:50] as as constructed, something's going to happen

[00:12:52] that you can possibly surpass the people in front of you.

[00:12:55] Or the game comes to you and, you know, big

[00:12:59] threats drop and crazy stuff happens and you're, you know,

[00:13:01] have a deciding move at five.

[00:13:03] So I feel like you want to stay in the game, but this could

[00:13:06] have been a chance where she could have tied it for four.

[00:13:09] And then, you know, maybe I have a semi live tribal

[00:13:12] where the outcome still is what it is, but maybe the game is a little more shook up.

[00:13:17] Yeah. That would be an interesting moment also

[00:13:21] if she did decide to tie it for four.

[00:13:24] How do you think that that would have played out?

[00:13:25] Do you think that there would have been like campaigning?

[00:13:27] Oh, hey, Tiffany has an idol. Let's get her out like Hunter.

[00:13:30] I mean, so all right.

[00:13:32] So you're just you probably know is better than me.

[00:13:34] What happens if they tie again?

[00:13:36] If so, if it was a tie again after that.

[00:13:39] So basically after so just talk it through for the listeners.

[00:13:43] OK, if it was a four, four tie at the final eight.

[00:13:46] So then Tiffany wouldn't vote and Q wouldn't vote.

[00:13:50] So the other six people would vote again, have to vote for either Q

[00:13:54] have to vote for Tiffany.

[00:13:56] If it comes back a three, three tie again,

[00:13:59] that's when we're going to go to a rock draw

[00:14:03] and the other five people, not Q or Tiffany and not Charlie,

[00:14:08] it would be a one in five chance for them for Liz,

[00:14:14] Kenzie, Maria, Ben and Venus would draw rock.

[00:14:18] And one of them would go home.

[00:14:20] Now at that point, is that the move for Liz?

[00:14:23] Go to force a rock draw.

[00:14:24] Interesting. I mean, like, I mean, who wants to go to rocks?

[00:14:29] But when you're at the bottom, it makes the most sense, right?

[00:14:32] So like you have the the actual I'm trying to win this game.

[00:14:36] Yeah, clearly about the blind side, somebody get a big move.

[00:14:40] So if I want to win this game, I had to make a big move.

[00:14:43] If you want to win this game, you're going to do my move or go to rocks.

[00:14:47] So what are we?

[00:14:47] What's her move that she's going to stand up to?

[00:14:50] OK, everybody vote out, vote out Q or or we'll go to rocks.

[00:14:54] I mean, it's more about the kind of just going to rock.

[00:14:57] I mean, maybe someone will flip. Right.

[00:14:58] You know, no one wants to go to rocks.

[00:15:00] But if you're if you think you're on the bottom,

[00:15:02] why would you if you're the bottom three of that vote?

[00:15:04] Right. If you're not part of the Seeker three, right?

[00:15:07] Why would you like if you think you're at the bottom, then

[00:15:10] you have to make a move at some point, right?

[00:15:12] I guess so. But I mean, the the move that I described

[00:15:15] of get Tiffany to play her idol, that's that's still number one. Right.

[00:15:19] Oh, well, that's kind of the safe.

[00:15:21] That's the safest way to get with you.

[00:15:22] What the question is, how do you so the votes are already on Q

[00:15:26] so Q goes home or do you put votes somewhere else?

[00:15:29] I don't know where like, I don't think she has the time to

[00:15:35] in like what in the information that she had and the time she had.

[00:15:39] I don't know if there is another move for her.

[00:15:40] I mean, James, as somebody who sat on the jury would like

[00:15:44] if you're watching that play out and that Liz has somehow forced a tie,

[00:15:49] like, is that a move that you're even noticing?

[00:15:51] It seems like it's such a minor thing

[00:15:55] that I feel he's going to get lost by the time

[00:15:57] you get to the final trial of council.

[00:16:00] So I feel like getting Tiffany to flesh her idol

[00:16:02] and getting the person you want out is the optimal move.

[00:16:05] Yeah, at that point, which was what you could have still voted

[00:16:08] for Tiffany and still play that made that move.

[00:16:10] Sure. Yeah, I guess if like, but that after the fact,

[00:16:16] if yes, you know that I guess like this Tiffany count the votes

[00:16:20] of like, hold on, did you Liz? Did you vote for me also?

[00:16:23] Like, I feel like it doesn't work as well together

[00:16:26] when you get back to camp as to say like, no, I was

[00:16:29] I was one of the people that voted for Q.

[00:16:31] I think it also waters down the move for her

[00:16:32] if she doesn't write Q's name down.

[00:16:35] Understood.

[00:16:36] I mean, I think that's probably a big move.

[00:16:39] The question is, is she then the next person out when that happens?

[00:16:42] Well, that's that's good.

[00:16:43] But better that, I feel like in having to figure that out

[00:16:47] than a scenario where she's headed towards the end

[00:16:51] without a real chance to win.

[00:16:53] You know, James, I don't know if you've heard me

[00:16:55] on the podcast talk about the my theory of the threats

[00:17:01] versus the nothings versus the losers.

[00:17:04] I like this theory. I like this.

[00:17:06] Yeah. And Liz, I feel like in my mind had a chance to go from

[00:17:10] one of the nothings to a threat in one fell swoop.

[00:17:16] I feel like that move would have been big enough,

[00:17:18] but I still think that she could have did that and possibly

[00:17:21] has still a kind of a low profile target

[00:17:23] where you're able to do things from the bottom

[00:17:25] where people have their viewpoints on you in the game.

[00:17:28] Yeah. Who's coming for her after that?

[00:17:29] I mean, what's the is it like that the group is like, oh, Liz

[00:17:32] is like she's such a big threat now that she told Tiffany

[00:17:35] to play her idol. Like I can't imagine.

[00:17:37] I still feel like, you know, Maria is still out there.

[00:17:40] I mean, I think that Maria is the number one target

[00:17:42] after this, after the attempted assassination on Tiffany,

[00:17:47] right, that Tiffany and Kenzie and Liz and Venus,

[00:17:50] like, aren't they going to want to come back

[00:17:52] and vote out Maria after that?

[00:17:54] I think Kenzie is probably going to feel very isolated.

[00:17:58] And the question is how much information does Kenzie have?

[00:18:01] And can she cook something up with Ben?

[00:18:04] And does something like that make sense with a possible?

[00:18:08] So I think Kenzie is going to be the swing factor

[00:18:10] and does it's been going to be still with Sega?

[00:18:14] How does he feel when the Charlie Maria dynamic?

[00:18:16] Is he fine like with that?

[00:18:18] Like, yeah, that I think Ben is going to be the swing person

[00:18:20] in this coming down the stretch.

[00:18:21] OK, let's that's a great point.

[00:18:23] Let's talk about the Segas and where they are.

[00:18:26] First off, you mentioned Ben.

[00:18:28] I really was surprised in the episode

[00:18:31] when Charlie and Maria talked to Ben

[00:18:33] based off of what we've learned about Ben this season,

[00:18:36] that I feel like he's sort of like a heart first kind of guy.

[00:18:40] He doesn't like Q, doesn't like the way that Q

[00:18:44] has carried himself and talked about quitting.

[00:18:46] He does not care for these shenanigans, he said.

[00:18:49] And when they came to him and said, hey, let's not worry about Q.

[00:18:53] Let's take out Tiffany.

[00:18:55] I kind of thought that Ben was going to balk at the plan

[00:18:59] and not want to go along with it, but he came around

[00:19:02] and he said that the strategic move was, yeah, definitely take out Tiffany.

[00:19:07] I think Ben is like is doing something

[00:19:11] that I heard Adam talk about this thing a little bit where

[00:19:14] you kind of base your game communication on emotion

[00:19:18] and kind of stay away from the strategy.

[00:19:20] So when you're kind of voting somebody out, like I want to get Q,

[00:19:23] I want to get Q out.

[00:19:24] Oh, what's the one country with a strategic move?

[00:19:26] You're like, you could be thinking about that too, but you kind of lower your

[00:19:29] profile when you're not thinking strategically about it in that way.

[00:19:33] Or something like that is brought to you.

[00:19:35] So I feel like Ben is doing a good job of kind of reading the tea leaves

[00:19:39] and saying, hey, when am I going to make my move?

[00:19:41] I'm getting brought this information.

[00:19:43] So I'm still on the right side of vote.

[00:19:44] So I feel like he's in this very interesting spot

[00:19:46] where he's trying to lowest threat of his of the secret of the secret three

[00:19:51] moving forward, which is where you want to be.

[00:19:53] You want to be the lowest person kind of in that perceived group.

[00:19:56] OK, let's talk about Maria because I'm really interested to know from you,

[00:19:59] James, and really I feel like, you know, you've looked at all these

[00:20:03] like new era scenarios, you know, and have talked so much about

[00:20:09] like your threat level and what it means to be a threat in the new era

[00:20:14] for Maria to make this move here at the final eight.

[00:20:18] This was her move to take out Tiffany.

[00:20:21] Was this the right thing for Maria to be doing?

[00:20:26] I think so. I say yes.

[00:20:27] If if if her vantage point is she has been, she has Charlie,

[00:20:31] you just need one more and you only have to get the four.

[00:20:36] I mean, like it's fire.

[00:20:37] Like that's kind of what it comes down to.

[00:20:40] And who's not going to take that trip to the four at the end?

[00:20:44] If you're in that position, like who's not taking that trip?

[00:20:46] Because that's all you really need to get to if you're a player.

[00:20:49] Yeah.

[00:20:51] For Maria and Charlie, do you feel is there blowback now from this

[00:20:57] where now OK, they're a pair.

[00:21:00] They're the tightest pair.

[00:21:02] They've just made this big move.

[00:21:04] I think Maria is looking like, you know, if you're out there,

[00:21:09] forget edit, she's looking like the biggest threat to win the game.

[00:21:15] But they have a gift.

[00:21:16] They have to get to Q.

[00:21:18] Kinsey is not working with you.

[00:21:20] Liz is not working with you.

[00:21:22] OK, so we need to make anything happy.

[00:21:25] You need Venus and Q to work together.

[00:21:28] Like I don't think we've never seen that conversation

[00:21:30] that relationship ever happened.

[00:21:32] Right. Kinsey is Kinsey going to work with Q.

[00:21:35] No, he does blindsided.

[00:21:37] Right. Like, yeah.

[00:21:38] Like this is like when someone you think is not playing a game,

[00:21:42] one's up you in the game.

[00:21:43] Like that's kind of like those, you know, like no.

[00:21:47] So if Venus and Q get on the same page

[00:21:50] and then give Liz and Kinsey every is that happening?

[00:21:55] I don't think so. Yeah.

[00:21:57] Can we just stop down for a second and just talk about, can you believe

[00:22:00] we reached the point in the season where Q.

[00:22:05] Volatim.

[00:22:06] And I know he tried to do it a couple of weeks ago.

[00:22:09] He did try to do it a couple of weeks ago,

[00:22:10] but just to go back to where we were like in the beginning of the season.

[00:22:14] Like it's pretty amazing that this is the outcome

[00:22:17] that we came back to after all of this.

[00:22:20] Q is somehow still here and Tiffany is it?

[00:22:25] I mean, I mean, I don't know if we're in an episode,

[00:22:27] but I feel like choosing Kinsey and Tiff was a great app.

[00:22:31] I feel like that was very strategic.

[00:22:33] You want to know why? Why?

[00:22:34] You're taking them away from camp because everybody else time,

[00:22:38] the scheme and plot and plot everything they're going to do the next day.

[00:22:42] And, you know, I feel like that was a great move.

[00:22:45] And you get cozy.

[00:22:46] Oh, Maria, get her some food that Q should get the fishy.

[00:22:51] Give Q the fishy. Wow.

[00:22:53] OK, well, that's up to Steven.

[00:22:55] Well, I'll ask him tomorrow.

[00:22:57] But OK, if we're talking about Q's decisions,

[00:23:01] I have to say, I feel like I think I loved it for a TV moment.

[00:23:06] This was incredible television to have.

[00:23:09] I mean, you could not have scripted this.

[00:23:11] You have this woman who has allergies, who cannot eat.

[00:23:15] The only thing on planet Earth that this woman can eat is an Applebee's

[00:23:21] hamburger, enter product placement.

[00:23:25] The reward is literally the burger she eats every single week.

[00:23:32] A miracle salvation in the form of a bourbon burger from Applebee's.

[00:23:39] And then the opportunity that he gets three different chances.

[00:23:45] She begs him, she begs him, please, please, I haven't eaten anything.

[00:23:49] Let me take me on the reward.

[00:23:51] And not once, not twice, but three times he passes up in the third.

[00:23:57] Even being kind of a fake out where he's like, well,

[00:24:00] you know, Liz, she hasn't eaten this whole time.

[00:24:03] So but I have to make my own decision.

[00:24:06] I have to go with Kent.

[00:24:08] I loved it. I loved it.

[00:24:10] I mean, that is the survivor I love.

[00:24:14] It's like when D was still trying to vote out, vote out seafood.

[00:24:17] Yes. When like that's that's the game.

[00:24:21] Like all these relationships, like making so he wants to take you.

[00:24:26] Like, you know, like once you alienate people, it's kind of like it is what it is.

[00:24:29] Yeah. Now, Jeff got Jeff, let the other three, Maria and Tiffany and Kenzie,

[00:24:36] let them off easy, James, because Jeff did not say,

[00:24:41] does anybody want to give up their spot to Liz?

[00:24:45] I feel like after the blow up, I feel like

[00:24:51] I feel like if there wasn't a blow up, that's a possibility.

[00:24:54] But I feel like Jeff, you know, Jeff is going for like that was TV gold.

[00:24:58] He just said back and like, who knows?

[00:25:01] That was the plan.

[00:25:01] It probably was just like, we'll let this roll in.

[00:25:04] If we don't even need that question, you know, so James,

[00:25:08] how about then right after this?

[00:25:10] And I screamed when then we go to commercial and Jeff's like,

[00:25:16] Oh, boy, survivors hard.

[00:25:20] I think you can do it. Apply.

[00:25:21] I don't know that was I was I was crying.

[00:25:27] I mean, survivor is hard.

[00:25:29] It is hard.

[00:25:30] It's no matter, you know, 26, 39, you know, it's a hard game.

[00:25:35] Yeah. Such a funny moment.

[00:25:39] But anyway, I kind of feel like this just Q.

[00:25:42] OK, I understand Tiffany.

[00:25:44] I thought that was smart.

[00:25:45] I understand Maria.

[00:25:46] OK, she's been loyal.

[00:25:48] But that third pick.

[00:25:51] Shouldn't he have gone for Liz instead of Kenzie?

[00:25:54] I mean, I know he said, look, Liz, you voted for me.

[00:25:57] Kenzie voted for him too.

[00:26:00] I feel like sometimes you want to keep people weak.

[00:26:02] Like I'm sorry.

[00:26:04] I don't at the end of the day is someone struggling out there.

[00:26:08] I mean, it's like, why do you like there's no obligation to be nice?

[00:26:11] Yeah. No, I just feel like that.

[00:26:13] But it wasn't Liz up.

[00:26:14] Like I'm not forget being nice.

[00:26:16] Like I'm doing like for a potential ally.

[00:26:19] Like was it like this is like there's

[00:26:22] James, like if there's an opportunity I have to give you to do you the biggest

[00:26:28] solid ever to give you the thing that you that you want that I like when I'm

[00:26:35] cute, I'm on the bottom.

[00:26:36] I'm looking for for anything like isn't isn't there isn't that a bargaining

[00:26:42] chip for Q that he could with no allies whatsoever potentially win over Liz?

[00:26:49] I'm going to just take it back to something I saw.

[00:26:53] You know, Noel gave Jesse his letters

[00:26:58] and he promptly voted her right out.

[00:27:00] Yeah, I feel like there's no I.O.

[00:27:03] Yous and survivor, you know, really

[00:27:07] like no one no one's thinking about that type of stuff anymore.

[00:27:10] I don't think like you have to literally make the best move for yourself

[00:27:14] at all times and kind of be a little cutthroat and savage.

[00:27:17] And I think he probably made the calculation from a relationship standpoint.

[00:27:21] I was once cool with Kenzie.

[00:27:23] I probably had never been cool with Liz.

[00:27:26] So into the day, I had the best chance of rekindling with Kenzie as opposed

[00:27:31] to appeasing Liz who I know still doesn't like me.

[00:27:33] If I want to energize this person's been actually trying to get me out

[00:27:36] the game. Yeah, I just thought that with you, you're already taking Tiffany.

[00:27:42] Maybe you could win up when Tiffany back and then she could get Kenzie on board.

[00:27:48] And then also you have another opportunity to potentially win over Liz.

[00:27:53] Like I feel like that you're able to sort of like diversify the portfolio a little bit more.

[00:27:58] I mean, there's Q. I'm trying to Q.

[00:28:01] I feel like it's in a solid place, though.

[00:28:03] I feel like it's Q.

[00:28:05] Maria, I feel like I've always had open out of communication.

[00:28:07] Maria say, I trust Q.

[00:28:10] You don't hear anyone else saying I just Q.

[00:28:13] So when you're when you're one of the more powerful people in the game,

[00:28:18] you say her and Charlie are if the person, one of those people will trust you.

[00:28:22] One, you have a bigger target in front of you.

[00:28:24] And two, you have friends in high places.

[00:28:26] So I mean,

[00:28:28] it's one of those dangerous games where you're at the whim of the quote

[00:28:31] political power player, but no one's really like has the juice to get you out

[00:28:35] because of the power player. Yeah.

[00:28:36] James, tell me about where you think Q can go from here?

[00:28:40] Somehow Q has made it to the final seven.

[00:28:45] Is there a chance that Q.

[00:28:49] Let's let's start with get to the final three.

[00:28:52] How are you feeling Q can get to the final three?

[00:28:55] Yes. OK.

[00:28:57] Can Q win the game?

[00:29:04] Let's see.

[00:29:05] Let's think about the jury composition, right?

[00:29:08] So is he responsible for he's not responsible for his first, right?

[00:29:13] So a soda, Kevin Hunter and now Tiffany.

[00:29:19] I mean, those three, he really wasn't too much of like he was responsible,

[00:29:25] but not really hunter had a idol.

[00:29:27] Soda was I don't think Soda was on that tribe right there.

[00:29:30] Tim went away so that no blood on his hands there.

[00:29:32] And I think he wasn't trying to vote out.

[00:29:34] So he voted for Ben when Hunter went home.

[00:29:39] Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day,

[00:29:42] he has no blood on his hands, right?

[00:29:45] If you're able to get when a couple of challenges, I'm pretty sure he hopped

[00:29:50] over, you want to challenge today, you know, and it doesn't get easier as it

[00:29:54] goes, he got fed with the apple bees, so he's going to be ready to rip and roll.

[00:29:58] So can he win a couple of immunity?

[00:30:01] Probably. Yeah.

[00:30:02] Is he a bigger?

[00:30:03] Is there other targets in front of him?

[00:30:05] Yes. Is he best runs Maria, Ben and Charlie?

[00:30:09] Is that an easy four vote for them versus everybody else?

[00:30:12] Yes. James Q has talked about how that he's playing a Q game.

[00:30:17] He is a game changer.

[00:30:19] He's not playing the game like other people have played it before.

[00:30:23] Do you buy this?

[00:30:24] Is is is Q changing the game?

[00:30:28] And if so, how?

[00:30:29] I feel like sometimes by playing

[00:30:32] like the game comes to you in the most unorthodox ways,

[00:30:36] like where you can go from like being someone and you can say, I'm kind of quit.

[00:30:42] Vote me out and people have their just own agendas in the game so much that

[00:30:47] you stay in the game and now your threat level is so low, but you're in this

[00:30:51] great place where you're like, nobody knows who you stand in a way

[00:30:55] and people aren't working with you.

[00:30:57] Now you are a way better person to play with than someone as opposite

[00:31:01] of the other side.

[00:31:02] So if you ever are a player that can do that, where you're going to have two

[00:31:06] people that aren't working with you, there's not so many people in the game.

[00:31:09] Yeah.

[00:31:09] Now you become a great free agent for the other side because

[00:31:14] in this season, we had a lot of unified votes like we're all getting on board.

[00:31:18] Everybody is not on board.

[00:31:20] And that's the thing about these unified votes is like everybody feels like

[00:31:23] they have a chance like they're part of the move and they're part of

[00:31:26] the click.

[00:31:27] And in actuality, you only really know around this time who really has the juice

[00:31:32] and clearly, you know, you know where the juice lies right now, Maria,

[00:31:36] Charlie and Ben.

[00:31:37] So all right, the juices.

[00:31:39] James, could you in a hypothetical situation

[00:31:45] coexist with Q?

[00:31:47] Could you work with Q?

[00:31:49] Yes.

[00:31:50] Well, like it's a game.

[00:31:52] Like I feel like Incorporate America do this all the time.

[00:31:54] You may have a coworker that you may not care for, but you just got to make it

[00:31:58] happen like we were playing a game for a million dollars.

[00:32:01] Like I feel like I could do I deal with people that I don't like all the time.

[00:32:06] I feel like it's something that you kind of just I feel like if you can't

[00:32:10] make that sacrifice, like I feel like that's something where you can.

[00:32:14] People you like right?

[00:32:16] But from a game standpoint, they may not be the best for your game.

[00:32:20] So you can choose to play with the people you like or the people who

[00:32:23] may need you or the people that have more logical reasons to play with you.

[00:32:27] Yeah, yeah.

[00:32:27] Kind of a personal player you want to be.

[00:32:29] Yeah, let me give Q some credit also because I think Q has sort of had a very

[00:32:33] interesting post merge game.

[00:32:35] We saw that the original Q game post merge was all about control.

[00:32:42] I'm controlling this group.

[00:32:43] I'm running this.

[00:32:45] This is the six.

[00:32:46] If anybody says a name of the six, that gives me the freedom.

[00:32:52] I'm going to vote them out.

[00:32:53] Don't go against the six.

[00:32:55] He went from that he was controlling everything to then he was

[00:32:59] absolutely on the bottom and he's done something very interesting, James,

[00:33:05] as far as being on the bottom.

[00:33:07] He sort of like sets up shop outside of camp, lays down there all day.

[00:33:14] And I don't know if this is sort of like in conjunction with his like,

[00:33:18] hey, I want to quit strategy, vote me out.

[00:33:21] But the fact that he's sort of just like, and I don't know if this is what he's

[00:33:26] going for, but giving the appearance of I've laid down and died.

[00:33:32] I'm not doing anything.

[00:33:33] I'm not scrambling, not trying to tell anybody what to do.

[00:33:36] We see in this episode, Maria comes to him last minute.

[00:33:41] Hey, all right, we're not going to vote you out.

[00:33:43] We're going to vote out Tiffany.

[00:33:45] Everybody just assumes, OK, he's the person to go home,

[00:33:48] but he's not doing anything.

[00:33:49] He's just he's just sitting there.

[00:33:51] And I wonder if he resisted more, would he be gone already?

[00:33:55] That restraint is strength in a new survivor.

[00:33:59] Knowing when to hold back is the strongest thing you can do.

[00:34:03] You know, like jam jam.

[00:34:06] When you're when you know the idols coming out,

[00:34:08] you can tell everybody and make the crazy big move or you can let both sides

[00:34:12] think they're winning and you stay in the middle and you take that

[00:34:16] information, that restraint is kind of like, you know, I think like the

[00:34:20] like the strongest thing you can do in this game and you can let people,

[00:34:24] you know, shoot each other in the foot.

[00:34:26] You know, like they had Q dead to rights.

[00:34:28] Literally just take this person out.

[00:34:31] And when you have these unified votes, it's kind of like, except for that one

[00:34:34] wasn't put in the beginning, someone's going to come out like not being

[00:34:38] right with those unified votes, you know, and and we're seeing now.

[00:34:42] That's what happened.

[00:34:43] Q was sitting in a nice place where people know exactly where he lies.

[00:34:48] And that's the best place to be if you're looking for our ally.

[00:34:51] James, it's kind of hard to imagine that he will go out next.

[00:34:58] I mean, why would you take you out?

[00:35:01] Do you think Tiffany is voting for Q?

[00:35:04] Like, I mean, do you think Kenzie is going to vote for Q?

[00:35:06] I feel like now you just put people in the jury.

[00:35:08] You think I'm going to vote for Q.

[00:35:10] Yeah. All right.

[00:35:11] I wanted to go back to Kenzie.

[00:35:13] And Kenzie, I thought was very interesting tonight because in the last episode,

[00:35:17] we saw that she was the first to say, all right, now's the time

[00:35:21] for me to vote out my closest ally.

[00:35:24] And so I'm going to go for Tiffany and then they changed it.

[00:35:28] Tiffany said, I'm going to play my idol.

[00:35:30] We can't go after her.

[00:35:31] Then tonight we, I thought Tiffany said something very interesting tonight.

[00:35:36] She said like, well, like I wanted to last time,

[00:35:41] vote out my closest ally.

[00:35:43] That's the biggest thing that the biggest move that you can show to the jury

[00:35:47] is voting out your closest ally.

[00:35:49] I'm not necessarily sure where we're getting that from.

[00:35:53] It could like, it could be conversations on the camp.

[00:35:56] Maybe they're talking about these things like they're talking about,

[00:35:58] you know, moves and claiming moves.

[00:36:00] So I mean, I necessarily don't subscribe to taking out people that trust

[00:36:05] you implicitly, but some people do.

[00:36:08] And, you know, and juries may respect that or they may not.

[00:36:11] The person that you take out may respect that or they may not.

[00:36:14] This is like this is kind of the game, but I don't necessarily believe that,

[00:36:18] like, you know, the jury is like, oh, you took out your number one.

[00:36:22] You know, that's good.

[00:36:23] I mean, some juries in the past would be like, that's so messed up.

[00:36:27] Like, you know, I mean, the game has evolved, but at the same time.

[00:36:29] Where did this come from?

[00:36:30] This idea, I was trying to think about this of it.

[00:36:33] Was it that they made such a big deal that, oh,

[00:36:36] that Dominic didn't take out Wendell and he should have?

[00:36:40] Or does it go back to that?

[00:36:42] OK, that people liked it so much that Jesse took out Cody.

[00:36:47] Like, where is it?

[00:36:49] I think it's a combination of enjoying

[00:36:52] seeing that blind side take place of that, that like kind of that person,

[00:36:56] like digging that knife in that person that they've been working hard with.

[00:37:00] But also, I do think the moments of survivor history as you talk about

[00:37:03] is sometimes you don't really talk about the clean sweeps as much as you talk

[00:37:06] about the Rob people or people like a fishback who like people watch the season.

[00:37:11] Man, he played hell of a game, you know, or people did see Dom's game.

[00:37:15] Or like, you know, when you do see people going to the end,

[00:37:18] they all play respectively different games and they're like, wow,

[00:37:20] that like they should have maybe took somebody out, you know?

[00:37:24] And I think what happens is the question is if they took that person out,

[00:37:27] would they be as far as they got, you know, and you play to win?

[00:37:32] And, you know, sometimes you do get to the end.

[00:37:34] But I don't think that's something that Jerry is looking for.

[00:37:37] But you never know on the island that could be talking about like the new era.

[00:37:41] You know, those big moves like taking out Cody iconic move, you know,

[00:37:46] like everybody knows about it, trying to signature move of our season.

[00:37:50] So if that's, you know, and we said we were going to give Jesse the money.

[00:37:53] So at the end of the day, you know, yeah, maybe that is the path

[00:37:57] to make sure you win.

[00:37:58] Like I came here to play.

[00:38:00] So that if that's in the question is if you can do that and make it to the end,

[00:38:04] even better, you know, so yeah.

[00:38:06] OK, so Kenzie last week felt very much, OK, I need to take out Tiffany.

[00:38:11] But then Kenzie came back around and then felt like, OK, you know what?

[00:38:16] I'm not feeling it.

[00:38:18] This is not the right time to take out Tiffany.

[00:38:21] What do you think from Kenzie's perspective in terms of having that

[00:38:26] change of heart, did she did she get on the right page?

[00:38:29] Or was she on?

[00:38:33] Was it the wrong page to go back on it?

[00:38:38] I think once you kind of go a direction, you just got to see it through

[00:38:43] only because now once you give the other side permission,

[00:38:48] they have so much leverage over you.

[00:38:49] Yeah. Like you're kind of like in a bad like a bad spot.

[00:38:53] Like you can't be like like Charlie and Maria know that, you know,

[00:38:56] they have three people backing up there.

[00:38:57] They were trying to get tipped out.

[00:38:59] So like if she does something kind of, you know,

[00:39:01] shifty, then it's kind of like, well, we can always, you know,

[00:39:04] flush the vital vote out Kenzie and, you know, kill Tim another day.

[00:39:08] You know, yeah, I mean, maybe that's the way we play.

[00:39:12] I mean, but like, like that stuff happens very quickly.

[00:39:15] Like when people dive all the information, because it's like

[00:39:18] you to kind of declare war on your ally to everybody else.

[00:39:21] Like you lined up a whole vote.

[00:39:23] So now you already started to vote against them.

[00:39:25] And now it's easier for them to come behind that vote the next time

[00:39:28] because that vote was started already.

[00:39:30] Yeah, I just don't understand from Kenzie's perspective of why it was the right man.

[00:39:34] And I was down on it last week.

[00:39:36] I didn't think it was the right move last week, but if she felt it was the

[00:39:40] right move last time, why was it the wrong move now?

[00:39:45] I feel like that's kind of the question when you're making these moves.

[00:39:49] Like what is the next move?

[00:39:51] Like what is your game plan after this vote?

[00:39:54] Whether it goes your way.

[00:39:55] Hopefully you're there.

[00:39:56] If it doesn't go your way, something else happens.

[00:39:59] But like what is your next move?

[00:40:00] And I think sometimes it's you're operating with the information that you have.

[00:40:04] And then you get to that next point and

[00:40:06] everything you have is clearly not the right information from a leadership standpoint.

[00:40:10] And now you're just in a bad place.

[00:40:12] And I feel I feel like she looked around and she kind of thought, OK,

[00:40:17] I can't work with you.

[00:40:18] There's only so many people left, right?

[00:40:20] So who was my for after this vote?

[00:40:22] And do I have for it?

[00:40:24] Tiffany is going in queue is here.

[00:40:26] If I'm not working with you, like that doesn't exist.

[00:40:30] I think people are looking at the numbers and then you now you're like, oh,

[00:40:34] man, the numbers are not looking good.

[00:40:35] Like who can I work with?

[00:40:37] And you're like, I need my ally here, but you already opened the can to say.

[00:40:42] Get your ally out of here.

[00:40:43] Yeah.

[00:40:44] I mean, I don't want to make it that my whole new thing is for people to

[00:40:48] tell other people to play their idols.

[00:40:50] But I don't know, maybe this is sort of like some emergent

[00:40:52] gameplay that we'll see as more players get voted out with their idols.

[00:40:55] If somebody knows that the blind side is coming,

[00:40:58] get the person to play the idol who has it in their pocket.

[00:41:01] But I had said last week if Kenzie tipped off Hunter to play his idol,

[00:41:08] that would have been a good move for Kenzie.

[00:41:13] I think idols should be used more in that way.

[00:41:17] Like for me, I feel like idols are just kind

[00:41:19] of like a way to influence a vote.

[00:41:21] Like your vote, someone else's vote.

[00:41:23] There's only so many votes in the game.

[00:41:25] So using it on yourself is great, but any way it can get used to if it protects

[00:41:30] you and gets somebody out, great.

[00:41:31] Yeah.

[00:41:32] If it just, you know, typically when you like get the biggest person out or

[00:41:36] get somebody that people want out, they're kind of happy about it for the

[00:41:40] most part. They're like, you took the shot.

[00:41:42] Good job.

[00:41:43] Yeah.

[00:41:43] Thank you for making it easier for us sometimes.

[00:41:45] I mean, you raise your threat level, but at the same time,

[00:41:47] you know, it's not too much blood on your hands, especially if someone told you

[00:41:51] to play your idol. So you kind of, it's not solely your move.

[00:41:54] You can put it on the person and say, well, she told me, but I think that

[00:41:58] would have been the move for Kenzie knowing that the votes were Hunter.

[00:42:01] Yeah, because that if Hunter stands up, plays his idol, Q goes home.

[00:42:05] And that really is that helps out Kenzie and Tiffany a lot.

[00:42:11] You know, Hunter, I think is particularly

[00:42:14] grateful for that.

[00:42:16] Also, where is Hunter going?

[00:42:18] I mean, I feel like that he called Kenzie his number one.

[00:42:21] And so yeah, he's still going to be a threat to win the challenges,

[00:42:24] but he's also has no idol and has no other allies.

[00:42:28] But a threat to win the challenges is also sometimes an asset because then

[00:42:32] you can take out the people you want to take out.

[00:42:34] Yeah.

[00:42:34] Like that's the thing is like you kind of still want to take people out.

[00:42:38] And I don't think anybody's ever challenged, challenged beast their way to

[00:42:41] the end was there like it's just until Charlie came along because I talk about

[00:42:47] how impressed I am with Charlie.

[00:42:51] Charlie is a beast.

[00:42:52] Did you see him in free game?

[00:42:53] Do you see him like pre-merge?

[00:42:55] Like he hasn't been bad at any challenge.

[00:42:57] Yeah, I mean, and really to go further back a little bit also,

[00:43:02] he was like head to head with Charlie as with Hunter at the end of

[00:43:08] the Hang on the Pole challenge.

[00:43:10] Then he beat Hunter last time and then I was so impressed with this challenge

[00:43:17] tonight and then James at the end of it, we get this reveal that Charlie has

[00:43:23] as Q.

[00:43:24] Peridium with a new video, he hacked the challenge with working on grip strength.

[00:43:31] Dad, do you know how many survivor players just ordered the Amazon grip

[00:43:38] a squeeze that forearm exercise machines?

[00:43:42] They sold about 600 to survivor players tonight.

[00:43:46] And gate where should have should have been on that a couple of years ago.

[00:43:50] You know, I mean, but I mean, I feel like like I feel like Charlie,

[00:43:54] like he's a marathon runner, like he's he

[00:43:56] endorses and pain are kind of built into him.

[00:43:59] But he's just this unassuming teller, swift character where Q is like,

[00:44:03] Charlie doesn't have a killer instinct.

[00:44:05] And like those are the people that just scare me like, like, yo, like he like

[00:44:11] like everybody out there given the opportunity.

[00:44:14] I think now it will cut your throat as opposed to I think in the past

[00:44:18] where you have people that literally didn't know what's happening in the show.

[00:44:22] You know, it was like, yeah, you got to have the people like,

[00:44:24] come out, don't know what's happening, recruit.

[00:44:27] Like now everybody knows what they're out there for and what's going to happen.

[00:44:31] So, you know, people are down to have these nice

[00:44:35] exteriors, but he's doing a great job of having people really just low key

[00:44:39] and think they have Charlie in their back pocket.

[00:44:41] And then he kind of just votes them out or, you know,

[00:44:44] keep someone they're seeing like no one has Charlie called a vote.

[00:44:47] No, not really.

[00:44:48] No, he's doing great.

[00:44:50] He's in a really great spot.

[00:44:51] Sam is telling me, check out.

[00:44:53] Charlie posted his grip strength training.

[00:44:57] What is he in a class?

[00:44:59] Or is it like he's at school and he's just like sitting there and people like,

[00:45:03] what is this psycho doing here?

[00:45:05] Like I'm just training for survivor.

[00:45:07] He's like this in in class.

[00:45:09] But that's what you. Hey, that's what you should do.

[00:45:11] I mean, I put a balance game in my backyard.

[00:45:14] I had the little thing where you like a little ball.

[00:45:16] You do that. I feel like this is a first.

[00:45:18] And this is so impressive.

[00:45:20] Oh, I feel like you should be doing all this stuff.

[00:45:22] You should be looking at puzzles like like these are the little things that, you know,

[00:45:26] this is different. I feel like that you study the puzzles and it's sort of like,

[00:45:30] oh, that's cheating.

[00:45:32] But Charlie, like he's like, OK, all these are these are grip strength.

[00:45:35] I'm going to practice my my my grip and it feels different.

[00:45:39] Like it's a similar it's similar preparation, but it feels like, wow, amazing.

[00:45:45] I thought it was really bad joke that I should not tell about grip strength.

[00:45:50] OK, in practicing.

[00:45:52] OK, I was going to leave it at PG 30.

[00:45:55] But no,

[00:46:00] the right hand is strong.

[00:46:01] Yes. Yes. Yes.

[00:46:03] Is that how Gabler ended up winning that challenge and going in the distance?

[00:46:07] Gables is that old man's strength.

[00:46:10] Like you got a shout out tonight.

[00:46:13] Huh? Of course he did.

[00:46:14] Like it was the most amazing thing to watch.

[00:46:17] I know we're talking about 46, but like Gabor,

[00:46:19] like he had that old man's trip where he just knew he wasn't losing.

[00:46:22] Like it was kind of bad.

[00:46:23] Like it was just like Cody was there.

[00:46:26] He's moving back and forth.

[00:46:27] The Gables are yelling out names and thinking everybody.

[00:46:30] It was kind of, you know, that's how it was.

[00:46:35] All right. I want to get to some

[00:46:36] questions from the listeners.

[00:46:38] If you got questions, post them in the chat.

[00:46:40] We want to hear from you.

[00:46:42] Let me just also bring up something fun that we're going to do next week.

[00:46:46] OK, a little bit of a programming note.

[00:46:48] Next Wednesday night that we are going to be in the windy city.

[00:46:54] I'll be in Chicago for a huge live event.

[00:46:58] And so I will not be live after the episode.

[00:47:02] Shannon Gus will be here in this spot next Wednesday night with a very special guest.

[00:47:08] And I'm not sure if we're announcing that yet, but it's going to be a good one

[00:47:11] coming up next Wednesday night.

[00:47:14] But while we are in Chicago, we have, by the way, OK, Sam says it's OK.

[00:47:20] Yeah, Shannon and Kelly Wentworth will be here next Wednesday night after the episode.

[00:47:25] So that'll be a lot of fun.

[00:47:27] And while we're in Chicago, OK, everybody you can see sold out show.

[00:47:32] Nine hundred fifty people will be there on Wednesday night next week.

[00:47:37] I will be on Thursday going live to the

[00:47:42] Jackbox headquarters for this survivor takeover.

[00:47:48] We've got a big show coming up.

[00:47:51] We're going to play some games live.

[00:47:53] You can join us at one thirty eastern on Thursday, the ninth on Twitch,

[00:48:00] twitch.tv slash R H A P.

[00:48:02] So we'll send out the links for that.

[00:48:05] So get ready on next Thursday afternoon.

[00:48:09] That should be a lot of fun. OK.

[00:48:11] It was like a strong alliance there, you know?

[00:48:13] Oh, we'll see. We'll see what happens.

[00:48:15] It might be the end of an alliance if the Jackbox games go a little sideways.

[00:48:21] OK. All right.

[00:48:23] Should be fun. We'll be there in person, not just like on Zoom.

[00:48:27] Should be a lot of fun.

[00:48:28] OK, James answered this question for us.

[00:48:31] Can we officially say the idols are cursed?

[00:48:34] What's it going to take to get folks to play their dang idols?

[00:48:38] Will the theme for Survivor 50 be Ghost Island, too?

[00:48:42] With all these idols that didn't get used properly.

[00:48:45] Maybe everybody starts out with the idol like that's the new everybody has idol.

[00:48:51] Yeah, enough for anything.

[00:48:52] What about poor Randon?

[00:48:54] Four people left with idols.

[00:48:58] Yeah, I don't I feel like now people just like are playing for idols.

[00:49:03] So you kind of have to think about how can you use this idol to your.

[00:49:05] Where's Rob's fact checker?

[00:49:07] I this has got to be the season when the most people go home with idols.

[00:49:10] That's four. Yeah, that's that's a lot like not even because we thought

[00:49:15] Dwight went home with an idol and he didn't.

[00:49:18] Jesse had it flashbacks and pain.

[00:49:23] Flashbacks and pain.

[00:49:26] Well, yeah, they know they can play the idols, right?

[00:49:29] They know they're allowed to.

[00:49:31] I mean, but the players now aren't like they're not like I feel like the idol

[00:49:36] has been such folklore that once you have it, players can just acquiesce around it.

[00:49:41] We're like, I have no reason to work with you other than this.

[00:49:45] However, we're scared of this idol thing popping up and hurting me.

[00:49:50] And that's all you need sometimes to get people to vote.

[00:49:52] Yeah. OK.

[00:49:54] All right.

[00:49:56] Sam, say that Mike Bloom has a tweet about the stats.

[00:49:58] All right. Well, but tell me what it says.

[00:50:00] I'm doing a podcast right now.

[00:50:02] I can't read Mike Bloom's Twitter,

[00:50:04] especially because Q was an obvious target to kind of dump votes on.

[00:50:08] So if you don't have a cue in the game,

[00:50:10] it may be harder to kind of split votes because people don't want to target

[00:50:15] somebody else in the backup.

[00:50:16] You know, but when you have a cue in the game, like there's no blood in your

[00:50:19] hands if you know, Q was the person that goes.

[00:50:22] Tiffany's voting for Q, but there's no cue there for Tiffany vote on.

[00:50:25] He's going for Ben.

[00:50:26] It makes the plan a little more dangerous

[00:50:28] because it's if he does where your idol Ben goes on, you know, so that's the different

[00:50:32] I guess, James, can you speak to it all?

[00:50:34] Because as a viewer, I'm watching this and Jeff is like, wow,

[00:50:38] it's so easy tonight.

[00:50:40] And they're like, yeah, nothing's going on.

[00:50:43] It's just such an easy vote tonight.

[00:50:45] It's Q. I mean, don't

[00:50:49] like the hairs on your back have to be standing up at that point where

[00:50:54] the conversation of travel council is just about how like,

[00:50:57] yeah, it's just so easy.

[00:51:01] I feel like Jeff does that like every five to 10 minutes about everything

[00:51:06] that you talk about, that you kind of get desensitized to it.

[00:51:09] Yeah.

[00:51:09] So when it does happen, like I remember the moment

[00:51:12] like Jeff was like, so why would it be James or Owen tonight?

[00:51:15] And I was in my head, I'm thinking, why would it be James?

[00:51:17] Like, why is my name coming up?

[00:51:19] Like when did I come but but you don't kind of process it?

[00:51:22] He's asking those questions consistently.

[00:51:25] So you just fall into kind of a rhythm where it's like, you hear the question

[00:51:29] like that enough, it becomes normal.

[00:51:31] So when you do hear those things, you're just like, I mean,

[00:51:34] it's easy vote is what it is.

[00:51:36] I mean, we're not trying to start a pot.

[00:51:38] Like we know it's the easy vote.

[00:51:40] Like your mind works against you and for you in this game where when you

[00:51:44] should be paranoid, like or not, if you have to trust your reason,

[00:51:49] sometimes, you know, you just got to just not trust yourself.

[00:51:53] And I feel like sometimes you have a lot of confidence going into the tribal.

[00:51:56] And what's the people to answer?

[00:51:58] People are saying during tribal or they staying on script.

[00:52:01] Does that make sense?

[00:52:02] And if things have been going your way most of the time that you've been in

[00:52:06] the game, like it's tough to kind of know sometimes when they're not as opposed

[00:52:10] to if you were kind of down a little bit and out of the loop,

[00:52:15] you kind of maybe more up on, you know, when people are kind of lying to you.

[00:52:19] Is there anything that you can like, does Jeff have a tell?

[00:52:23] Where and again, it's so hard, James, because I'm only seeing what's on TV

[00:52:27] on tribal council, because I kind of feel like that if I'm at a tribal council

[00:52:31] that I know is going to be an easy vote.

[00:52:33] I feel like Jeff is going to be doing like he's like like a comedian.

[00:52:40] The show's not going well.

[00:52:41] He's going to be doing some work to try to spice things up.

[00:52:45] But when Jeff is commenting about how boring of a vote this is,

[00:52:50] I feel like he's only doing that when he knows it's actually not a boring vote.

[00:52:56] Because if it was a boring vote,

[00:52:58] he wouldn't be calling the attention to the audience of what a boring vote it is.

[00:53:04] I feel like that's the I feel like and that's where you can underthink and

[00:53:07] overthink the game where I feel like there were like boring votes where we

[00:53:13] knew it was boring votes and like we talked about it being like, well,

[00:53:16] this is about to happen.

[00:53:17] You know, it is.

[00:53:18] No, we lied a lot.

[00:53:19] I never mind.

[00:53:20] But I don't think that no, I feel like Jeff is good.

[00:53:24] Like I feel like that's underrated where he like he kind of just lulled you to sleep.

[00:53:29] Like he's asking the same questions in different ways.

[00:53:32] He's attacking different people not attacking.

[00:53:34] But he's just very good at framing the argument from five different sides.

[00:53:41] Yeah. Right.

[00:53:41] So you never know the size that is the way you need to be worried about.

[00:53:47] So that's why, you know, OK, and that's why he's so good at it.

[00:53:52] The question part where you don't know,

[00:53:54] like you can't infer and you even overthink it or underthink it.

[00:53:57] You go overthink it right?

[00:53:59] And that can cause you to be really paranoid.

[00:54:01] And then you go underthink it and then you go home like me.

[00:54:04] So it's what you get screwed either way.

[00:54:05] Yeah. James, what do you think of spicy Jeff?

[00:54:08] Because you played an interesting time.

[00:54:10] OK, there was sort of like grandfather Lee Jeff and maybe you guys were

[00:54:14] the beginning of like the the sending Jeff to spicy Jeff territory.

[00:54:18] And so what do you think of where Jeff is at now?

[00:54:22] I feel like Jeff is in a really good groove.

[00:54:26] I feel like I think he's in a good groove.

[00:54:29] I feel like I remember, like, you know, younger

[00:54:32] pro like the older episodes, like I feel like he was a little edgier.

[00:54:36] I mean, I feel like this is the kind of the the close to the edge.

[00:54:39] He's been kind of the new era, I would say, you know.

[00:54:41] And but, you know, seasons 15 through like, you know, 25 or like those early seasons.

[00:54:48] Jeff was really like getting at people like hardcore.

[00:54:52] So I still think he's like, this is spice, Jeff.

[00:54:54] It's not spicy.

[00:54:55] Like, Jeff is like, Jeff is doing a good job of balance to

[00:55:01] a being hard questioning, you know, and making the players think.

[00:55:05] When you do ask it like five times, you know, maybe is Jeff trying to

[00:55:09] lead us on? Like, what is he trying to do?

[00:55:11] Like it is obvious, right?

[00:55:13] Like that's the beauty of this game.

[00:55:15] You never really know until the votes are read.

[00:55:18] Like, OK, James, Elizabeth has a question.

[00:55:21] Did we overestimate Ben and Kenzie's potential relationship?

[00:55:25] Ben was OK, leaving Kenzie out of the vote.

[00:55:27] Where does the Tiff blindside leave Ben and Kenzie?

[00:55:30] I think a lot of us felt like, OK, well,

[00:55:32] this is going to be another person in Kenzie's pocket.

[00:55:36] But no, Ben kind of went back to Seaga,

[00:55:39] especially also coupled with, I don't know if you saw that secret scene

[00:55:43] a couple of weeks ago where Maria really laid into Ben and he was very upset.

[00:55:48] And he's talking about the band broke up and I'm like, all right,

[00:55:51] that's it. Ben's not going back with Seaga.

[00:55:54] But here he is and not telling Kenzie about what's going on.

[00:55:58] I mean, I feel like this is kind of what, you know, they advised them

[00:56:03] not to tell Austin about the vote out, right?

[00:56:05] He was going to tell D.

[00:56:06] I mean, they didn't see that season probably.

[00:56:08] But if you have a vote, you just need to know the mental amount of people

[00:56:12] like getting people in on the vote like that's

[00:56:16] like can't be a lucky survivor, but leave people out to vote.

[00:56:19] Like you want to vote to happen, unless you would know that's the best way to play.

[00:56:22] You know, and Kenzie, like telling someone's number one

[00:56:25] that you're taking out their number one or whether they want to take on or not.

[00:56:28] It's not a good move.

[00:56:30] If you forget trust, you kind of frame it probably like we could have voted

[00:56:34] you out, but we didn't or they wanted to vote you out.

[00:56:36] But we said to and move forward.

[00:56:39] OK, James, this is a great question for you for you.

[00:56:43] Also from Elizabeth wants to know are idols less useful in the new era?

[00:56:48] The meta game has people trying to save them for the whole game.

[00:56:51] And the blind sides are so well done.

[00:56:55] What is it about the new era that's

[00:56:58] really devalued the hidden immunity idol?

[00:57:04] I mean, I think the first thing people know about them less one.

[00:57:08] Um, I think not having a time limit on them sometimes that could maybe

[00:57:13] kind of make someone possibly use the idol.

[00:57:15] Sometimes it just doesn't that threat that it has to come out and everybody knows

[00:57:19] about it. I just think that idols have always been interesting.

[00:57:23] Like they were something that was revolutionary when it first started.

[00:57:26] But everybody is seeing almost like every season of survival

[00:57:29] when you're playing this game now.

[00:57:31] Like most people have watched it.

[00:57:32] So you kind of know idols there and then you have the shine of the dark,

[00:57:36] which wasn't mentioned tonight is still around like I like yeah,

[00:57:39] I think seven is the last time to play it, right?

[00:57:42] So in Jeff didn't even bring it up at any point.

[00:57:44] So if the cues at the bottom, I think the more of the tell is to kind

[00:57:47] of think you're at the bottom, they thought it shot in the dark.

[00:57:51] Yeah, like that's kind of more of the tell than anything else.

[00:57:53] Like that question says I will look at, you know, or you could do what you

[00:57:58] said, you know, was I made well, not I mean, someone should pull is right.

[00:58:02] If it's your man, it's like, why do we need to go vote?

[00:58:04] You know, we all agree to it.

[00:58:05] That's a good point. So you feel like that.

[00:58:06] So when Tiffany sees, OK, why didn't Q play the shot in the dark?

[00:58:10] That should be the tell to play the idol.

[00:58:15] I mean, yes, yeah, it's kind of like if it's kind of if that's

[00:58:20] if you're really kind of desperate, like you're going to play shine

[00:58:23] dark, but you know he had a plan.

[00:58:25] But I think at that point you're looking around like who does Q have a plan

[00:58:28] with is not me, is not Kenzie.

[00:58:30] You know, so who is it Maria?

[00:58:32] Is it Charlie's it been?

[00:58:33] Oh, because Ben emotionally is not with Q you automatically probably discount

[00:58:39] Ben being a part of that vote.

[00:58:41] You know, but Ben is playing a logical game and Ben said, well,

[00:58:45] I feel like this makes sense for my game and we still can take you out later.

[00:58:49] So I feel like I feel like it's a tough way to see the same ways

[00:58:53] that Hunter was in where Hunter is looking at Tiff like Liz and Ben really

[00:58:58] want you out, like they really want you out.

[00:59:01] And so that's me.

[00:59:03] That's good enough right there.

[00:59:05] Of course, everybody wants, you know, Q out.

[00:59:07] So that's enough.

[00:59:08] But in actuality, they were able to kind of get a reprieve.

[00:59:12] Maria and Charlie worked their magic and Q kept them, you know,

[00:59:16] it's here another week.

[00:59:17] OK, Dr.

[00:59:19] Christian Hubicki has a question.

[00:59:20] I wish the show would ask the contestants throughout the show.

[00:59:23] What do you think the jury will value at the end of the game?

[00:59:28] That wasn't so much a question.

[00:59:30] That was a statement from Christian.

[00:59:33] I think that's I think that's actually interesting to know because then

[00:59:37] you'll be more informed about somebody's gameplay.

[00:59:39] Like, so let's say Q does get to them.

[00:59:42] He gets formed that question, right?

[00:59:43] He can then have articulated throughout the season or at a time articulate.

[00:59:47] Hey, like this is kind of something that I saw the writing on the wall

[00:59:51] or I'm doing this, they may hate me now.

[00:59:53] But hopefully when I get to the end, I can say that maybe a little presumptuous.

[00:59:57] But I think it's possible.

[01:00:01] Yeah, James, as somebody who was on the jury who got to see a lot of the game

[01:00:07] of not that much of the game, but you were were you the first juror?

[01:00:12] I was the second juror number 10.

[01:00:14] OK, but when you are in the game, like, are you thinking at all about

[01:00:20] what you would want to see from that?

[01:00:23] Or are you just like only focused on your own game and your winning?

[01:00:27] And then when you sit on the jury, does your perspective change?

[01:00:31] I feel like for me, I wanted to play a game where I get to next to anybody

[01:00:36] at the end and I could articulate the game I was playing.

[01:00:39] Like, that's the game I wanted to play.

[01:00:40] I wanted to play a game where when I got voted out, my next step was

[01:00:45] with the information that I knew, you know, how are people going to play

[01:00:49] going down the stretch?

[01:00:50] Like, you know, who knows on the top was on the bottom.

[01:00:53] Like so like what's happening and like who's actually out there?

[01:00:58] What do you really value?

[01:01:00] Everybody values different things.

[01:01:01] You know, so I may be a loyalty person where I'm like, you know,

[01:01:05] who was the most low person out here or like what within the game

[01:01:09] that they play or like maybe you favor someone that's to play

[01:01:12] anybody but me game, but they were out there playing hard.

[01:01:15] Got a lot of enemies, but they weren't out there coasting.

[01:01:18] Like you never know what people value.

[01:01:20] However, building relationships with everybody is the key.

[01:01:24] You don't have any super bad relationships out there and keeping.

[01:01:28] I think the transparency is key because I think one thing that, you know,

[01:01:32] Gabor did that was good is that he would vote for you, but he still made

[01:01:35] you like him after the vote.

[01:01:36] He was like straight up forward and he put the blame on everybody else.

[01:01:39] Yeah, this told me and it's like being like that's part of the game.

[01:01:44] Being able to have the relationship enough where you vote somebody out

[01:01:47] and they still want to give you a million dollars.

[01:01:49] Like, you know, that's kind of what it is.

[01:01:51] And that's the hard part of this game.

[01:01:53] And I don't believe in bitter juries.

[01:01:55] If I'm in the blood, if I'm in the trenches with you and I'm and you vote

[01:01:59] me out or you had a chance to save me, right?

[01:02:02] And you don't save me like then I have to write the phone type away

[01:02:06] about a million if I'm loyal to you.

[01:02:08] Like if I wasn't loyal to maybe not, but everybody can write for any vote

[01:02:11] they want. So you never know.

[01:02:13] You got to watch out playing this game.

[01:02:15] All right. Good to know for survivor 50, James is not.

[01:02:20] He won't hold it against you if you blindside him.

[01:02:22] He's going to be fair on the jury.

[01:02:25] I don't know.

[01:02:26] OK, all right.

[01:02:28] And then one more question, James.

[01:02:31] Lorenzo says, if Charlie does not vote Maria out, does he need to make his own

[01:02:37] move without her knowledge, a detailing Julie to play the idol without Austin

[01:02:41] knowing it's been a season about, OK, I have to take out my number one.

[01:02:45] How does Charlie or maybe he's doing it in the immunity challenges?

[01:02:50] Can Charlie get around Maria if they both sit in the final three?

[01:02:55] I think Charlie get around Maria.

[01:02:57] That's your confidence level in your game.

[01:03:00] I feel like Charlie and Maria are confident enough to go against each other.

[01:03:04] And that's in the margins of the game.

[01:03:06] You have to know the game that you're playing.

[01:03:08] So you go, you have to describe the game that you're playing the best of the

[01:03:11] jury. And if you do that, you're going to win.

[01:03:13] So I don't think in your head that Charlie is worried about Maria and Maria

[01:03:18] is worried about Charlie.

[01:03:19] Yes, it will be stiff competition at the end, but you also have to know what

[01:03:22] you're doing. And if you know what you're doing and you can make your

[01:03:25] articulate against the jury, especially if you you have a good chance to win the

[01:03:29] game like I'm pretty sure Diamond Wendell knew they both had to win the

[01:03:32] game. It just came down to just one vote.

[01:03:35] And that's better than having everybody try to come against you and try to

[01:03:40] get through six, five and four.

[01:03:42] Like no one's done that yet.

[01:03:44] So do you think that we get in one of these episodes that Charlie is like, OK,

[01:03:49] now I have to take out Maria?

[01:03:52] I don't think so because once he does that, then he becomes vulnerable.

[01:03:56] Like Maria's his shield, his numbers shield.

[01:03:59] Like you don't need that many numbers anymore.

[01:04:01] So now it's kind of at this point where

[01:04:04] I mean, I feel like Charlie can win immunities.

[01:04:06] So he's not really you can get there.

[01:04:08] He's not worried about that with the group left.

[01:04:10] Maria is not like a challenge threat that he's going to proceed for him.

[01:04:14] Right. So I don't think he's but it's such a clear shot for as long as people

[01:04:19] don't turn around on him.

[01:04:20] Like if he keeps Ben around, like if he goes to like Charlie goes to the end

[01:04:23] with like Ben and Venus or Liz, like feel like he's looking pretty good.

[01:04:28] Even Q.

[01:04:30] Like who like OK, Maria can beat him.

[01:04:34] Who else can beat him at this point?

[01:04:35] Like just from what we know right now, he could have an epic fall at the end.

[01:04:40] Like who can technically I would have said Kenzie, but I feel like that now

[01:04:43] I'm sort of like wavering on Kenzie.

[01:04:47] I mean, and that's kind of weird set.

[01:04:49] And I think the question is how much do the players

[01:04:53] kind of feel that and how much is our perspective as fans?

[01:04:57] What the jury's perspective is, you know, so in and how much bad blood

[01:05:01] is on that? Oh, that's Taylor Swift.

[01:05:05] I said it's all what's wrong.

[01:05:08] That blood.

[01:05:10] Yo, I'm probably going to get banished from the survivor community,

[01:05:15] but I don't know that many tell us what's wrong.

[01:05:17] So all right, I did hear that kid with Marjus.

[01:05:21] Yes, that's where yes, I'm for spicy things happening like survivors.

[01:05:26] Twitter is a spicy too.

[01:05:27] You know, yeah, it's very spicy generation.

[01:05:31] All right.

[01:05:32] All right, James, we've got a Terran Armstrong standing by.

[01:05:35] OK, let's say what Terran has to say.

[01:05:38] Hey, Terran.

[01:05:39] Hey, how's it going?

[01:05:40] Going great.

[01:05:42] Terran, did you have any Applebee's tonight?

[01:05:45] What is this big brother Canada with all these endorsements from restaurants?

[01:05:50] Listen, Applebee's is too special a treat to have

[01:05:55] when I'm watching reality television.

[01:05:57] I need to I need to concentrate on my Applebee's.

[01:05:59] Don't you think we should have gotten a daily drop from this episode of survivors?

[01:06:03] We could have seen the entire Applebee's meal.

[01:06:07] Yeah, yeah, we need to watch them not eat the burger after praising the burger.

[01:06:14] Yeah. All right.

[01:06:16] Terran, what's going on on Big Brother Canada?

[01:06:19] Rob, don't spoil it.

[01:06:22] Don't spoil it because people haven't watched it yet.

[01:06:23] But it's been crazy.

[01:06:25] It's this episode was a lot.

[01:06:29] People are declaring that old school big brother is back.

[01:06:32] Old school big brother is back, James.

[01:06:36] That's what I've been seeing.

[01:06:37] Minus the feeds, I guess.

[01:06:38] Yeah.

[01:06:40] Yes, very old school then.

[01:06:42] All right.

[01:06:43] So check out Terran's got the recap one week from tonight.

[01:06:47] Is the finale for Big Brother Canada?

[01:06:49] One week from tonight.

[01:06:50] OK, all right.

[01:06:51] Creeping up on us.

[01:06:52] All right.

[01:06:53] Terran's going to be live with the recap of eviction night coming up right

[01:06:56] after this. All right, Terran, take care and I'll talk to you soon.

[01:07:01] OK, see you later.

[01:07:02] All right. Bye. OK.

[01:07:05] James, let me talk a little bit about what else is coming up here on RHAP.

[01:07:12] We've got coming up the survivor feedback show with the patrons.

[01:07:16] That's going to be live Friday 3 p.m.

[01:07:20] I have a lot of fun.

[01:07:20] Take calls from the patrons and we anybody can watch it

[01:07:26] on the YouTube channel, but only the patrons have the link to call in.

[01:07:30] Those are really fun survivor feedback shows on Fridays.

[01:07:35] And so join me for that.

[01:07:36] Plus everything else in the survivor podcast feed, including the Know-it-alls,

[01:07:40] the exit interview, Shannon Gus has got a great podcast coming up this week

[01:07:46] on Survivor Global.

[01:07:48] You're not going to want to miss that plus Y-blank loss.

[01:07:51] The B&B, of course, the Purple Pants podcast that James is always great

[01:07:56] on the Purple Pants podcast.

[01:07:57] And then on Club Condo, we are going to have the Purple Pants badass himself.

[01:08:03] Bryce Isaiah on Club Condo this week.

[01:08:06] And James, that's not all.

[01:08:08] Drew from Survivor 45 is going to stop by for a bonus interview.

[01:08:12] So got more survivor content than you can even know what to do with.

[01:08:20] That's a lot of content right there.

[01:08:22] It's a lot. It's a lot.

[01:08:23] OK, even James can't keep up and he loves survivor.

[01:08:27] I definitely do.

[01:08:29] All right.

[01:08:30] Then James, have you followed at all Donday dealer?

[01:08:34] No deal Island.

[01:08:36] That's what that hashtag is like.

[01:08:39] I was done. Yes.

[01:08:41] Boston Rob has been doing Boston Rob things all season long.

[01:08:46] James, it's been a very fun ride on dealer.

[01:08:49] No deal Island myself and Jenny and Chappelle have been going all season

[01:08:53] only two weeks left of deal or no deal Island.

[01:08:56] Check that out.

[01:08:57] We also checked out a little show over on the learning channel.

[01:09:04] Milf Manor, yeah, we don't skip the milk banner.

[01:09:06] That's fine. That's fine.

[01:09:07] Miners are great show.

[01:09:09] Are you watching?

[01:09:11] First off, I watched the first season of dinner.

[01:09:13] Like it's like it's pioneering reality television.

[01:09:16] OK, it was all right.

[01:09:18] We have to book James for a recap of Milf Manor.

[01:09:22] Just saying.

[01:09:24] OK, all right.

[01:09:26] You weren't practicing for any challenges watching Milf Manor, right?

[01:09:30] Definitely was definitely not practicing any challenges,

[01:09:33] but very entertaining television like just a solid premise.

[01:09:38] I like Charlie didn't get he wasn't a recruit for Milf Manor first.

[01:09:44] Was he?

[01:09:46] I don't know.

[01:09:47] I do not think so.

[01:09:48] I think that's not a few.

[01:09:49] Milf Manor was a feeder program.

[01:09:51] That would be crazy.

[01:09:52] But I don't think you put them on the challenge, James.

[01:09:57] OK, all right.

[01:09:58] You take Milf Manor off the screen.

[01:10:00] OK, and then yes, and then Chappelle and I spent the last two weeks on Nothing

[01:10:04] Manifold talking about unlocked a jail experiment.

[01:10:07] Did you hear about this show?

[01:10:09] I don't know if it's real or fake.

[01:10:11] So I could that that's a good question.

[01:10:15] Like is it AI?

[01:10:17] I just don't believe you see this.

[01:10:19] I don't think it was that it was.

[01:10:21] So there was an Arkansas prison facility and they did a experiment where they let

[01:10:28] the Netflix cameras in and they let all of the inmates out of their cells and took

[01:10:32] all of the guards out and then we basically got the live feeds of what happened

[01:10:37] during that time.

[01:10:39] And so it is there's a lot of questions about the legality and the back story.

[01:10:45] But it is very interesting.

[01:10:48] Like, like did they get paid?

[01:10:50] Like are they are they doing a sad cards?

[01:10:52] So no, I mean, the people that were in the show did not get paid.

[01:10:56] And there's some the sheriff that was in the show.

[01:10:59] Allegedly he got $60,000 from the production company that he said he gave to.

[01:11:05] I'm not sure if it was the state and then

[01:11:08] there's there's like I have some questions about like this is his idea.

[01:11:13] And then he called Netflix or the Netflix call him and say like, hey,

[01:11:16] can we do this in your jail?

[01:11:18] We don't know the answer to that.

[01:11:20] I was like, I thought it was like I was like, no, this can't be real.

[01:11:23] Like there's no way, but it could be real too.

[01:11:25] It's America. So yes, I think it was.

[01:11:28] I think it would be a big scandal if it was fake.

[01:11:31] Maybe 10 years from now, 10 years from now, we'll find out.

[01:11:34] OK. All right.

[01:11:35] But interesting podcast nonetheless,

[01:11:38] unlocked over on nothing but Netflix.

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[01:11:56] I read all of your comments after the episode.

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[01:12:04] doing here on YouTube. All right, James,

[01:12:06] you know, I love having you on the show to talk about all this stuff.

[01:12:10] Please come back whenever you have

[01:12:12] something that even if it's a quick pop in on any of the shows,

[01:12:16] what else is going on for you?

[01:12:18] So my birthday is this month.

[01:12:23] What do you have plans?

[01:12:24] I mean, you know, so I'm very excited.

[01:12:26] Come kick it with me and Philly.

[01:12:28] If you are around for the price of win a win in Philly, please come kick it

[01:12:32] with your boy when it.

[01:12:33] What is that? What is that in two weeks?

[01:12:35] I believe that's in two weeks.

[01:12:37] That's the 22nd right?

[01:12:39] Or I think that's the finale.

[01:12:40] I think it's the week in between.

[01:12:41] I think it's 15th, like the 15th or something.

[01:12:44] The 15th. So come kick with me there.

[01:12:47] My birthday is next week.

[01:12:48] So, you know, no mean tweets between now and then being nice to the players

[01:12:53] like on Reddit, like, you know, like people are people like what are they

[01:12:57] saying on Reddit? Whether they're being there?

[01:13:00] What? Like are they're they're saying like, oh,

[01:13:01] this person has no chance to go back for so ever 50.

[01:13:05] I'm just like people just have too much time on their hands.

[01:13:08] Like if you make a joke, make it like make it like true humor is about like,

[01:13:13] you know, really pushing the envelope to saying people.

[01:13:15] It's called bad names.

[01:13:17] No, this is this is really it.

[01:13:20] I've been thinking about this a lot.

[01:13:22] Um.

[01:13:24] Yeah, be not be nice in general, but you're you're better off

[01:13:28] that somebody says something mean about you.

[01:13:31] And then the comments are all like, hey, like they shut up.

[01:13:34] I like James screw you.

[01:13:36] Like James is a good guy.

[01:13:38] You're you're better off if one person says a mean thing about you,

[01:13:42] then one person says a good thing about you.

[01:13:45] And then all the comments like, no, that's not true.

[01:13:48] He sucks. He shouldn't go back. Screw him.

[01:13:51] He's overrated. He's gone soft.

[01:13:54] You need the first person to comment something bad.

[01:13:58] And then the replies will be all like sticking up for you.

[01:14:02] If the first person you see a Reddit thread like, oh,

[01:14:05] hey, Rob is Rob.

[01:14:08] Sister, you know, is awesome.

[01:14:10] Like, oh, and I see it as like 37 replies.

[01:14:15] I know it's bad news.

[01:14:18] Hey, man, I'm like now in the media age, all news is good news.

[01:14:21] You know, it's just like be like, you know, funny with it.

[01:14:24] Like if you're going to take a joke or a stab, like actually,

[01:14:26] you know, do something good with it. Just don't be.

[01:14:29] Yeah. No, but be nice to be nice to James that he's always talking

[01:14:33] about a survivor and always this fun stuff to say. All right.

[01:14:37] I want the smoke though.

[01:14:38] So if you want to come for a fun, yeah, we can have some.

[01:14:42] I am. Yeah.

[01:14:44] Yeah, don't play with me.

[01:14:45] Yeah, other people don't play with me.

[01:14:46] OK, what? Who do you want to smoke with other contestants or you want smoke?

[01:14:50] No, I'm just talking stuff like on, you know, the Twitter sphere

[01:14:55] about people and stuff like just keep my name out of it.

[01:14:58] OK, no, from a Twitter standpoint.

[01:15:00] OK. All right.

[01:15:01] James, Phil, you're sending a mixed message.

[01:15:03] Do you want the smoke or keep your name out of it?

[01:15:05] Oh, I'm always here for the smoke.

[01:15:07] I mean, but I don't.

[01:15:09] I mean, I'm not going away from the smoke, but this more just like

[01:15:12] let's all be friends.

[01:15:13] I mean, I'm a very nice guy.

[01:15:15] You can go along with. OK.

[01:15:17] I don't want any smoke.

[01:15:19] See, we get along. It's great.

[01:15:22] Yeah. All right.

[01:15:24] This was very fun and stick around for Big Brother Canada tonight.

[01:15:26] And it's busy Thursday here on RJP.

[01:15:28] Thank you so much, James.

[01:15:29] Thanks for listening to Gary, everybody have a good one.

[01:15:31] Bye.