Exit Interview: Sixth Juror Voted Out Survivor 48

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[00:00:37] Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Cesternino back with our final regular exit interview of the season. Because next Thursday we will have interviews with the final five. But today we have our person who got voted out at the final six and that is Shaheen. And we will talk with him here in just a moment. Then Jordan Kalish stops by for this week in Survivor History. A season finale for Twish as well here today.

[00:01:07] It's going to be a busy Thursday. Charlie Davis is going to join me on the podcast. So make sure you don't miss that recap. I am dying to ask a bunch of things to Charlie about what's been going on in this season and how he may have impacted Survivor 48 so much. We'll talk to Charlie about that. Plus my Survivor Know-it-alls with Steven Fishback is up for you to listen to as well. Really good one with Steven. But we have Shaheen on the line. Let's go ahead and patch him in. Shaheen, good morning. Rob Cesternino here, RHAP.

[00:01:35] Look at you. If you're listening to the podcast, you're missing so much. You've got to come see the face too. Yes. What is this? Where is this your home? No, no, no. I have a buddy of mine. Let me borrow his podcast studio. But thought I'd throw all the stuff up that I took from the island and the bag. And of course, the thing that I used to search Kyle's bag and everything else. Yes, perfect. I mean, my only complaint is you're not wearing shorts and you're wearing pants today. I decided. You know what? We can pull them out. Don't worry.

[00:02:04] Okay. On their way. They belong in a museum. They do belong in a museum. Christie's called me looking to do an auction. Okay. Well, I hope you have a robust insurance policy on those. And then let's just get into some business from yesterday because this was such an interesting episode. And I'm really curious to hear about your perspective on things because we saw so much of this from the other characters perspectives.

[00:02:32] Can you take us through the conversation that you had with Kyle on the reward and talk a little bit about what your objectives were in that conversation? Yeah. So that conversation with Kyle was obviously a lot longer than we see. And we actually went through every single person that was out there that was remaining.

[00:02:52] So we went through why we would vote for Mitch, why we would vote for Camilla, why we would vote for Eva, why we would vote for Joe, why we would vote for me and why we would vote for Kyle as well. So we went through every single person and what the reasons would be to vote for them. And I wanted to do that with him because I wanted to show him why his best move would be Mitch.

[00:03:17] To convince him by telling him, we shouldn't vote for Eva because we can beat Eva at the final tribal council. We shouldn't vote for this person because – and you hear me say that on television, right? We shouldn't vote for this person. We shouldn't vote for that person. It really should just be Mitch. Mitch. He and I. Like, I'm not voting for you, Kyle, because if I vote for you, I'm going home next. If you vote for me, you go home next.

[00:03:45] Like, that's the rhetoric that I was using with him to try and convince him, let's stay the course and vote for Mitch. And to also give him the opportunity to, like, get it out. Like, what are your ideas? I want to hear your ideas. Get them out so that I can understand where your brain is at too. He took that and did an excellent job taking a molehill and making it into a mountain.

[00:04:09] And then adding on top of that extra mountaintop, you know, toppings of fake idols and all the other stuff that he's, you know, coming up with on his own with some harebrained ideas. Yeah, because the part of it that made it feel like that maybe – I don't think that this is actually what your idea is to vote out Eva because we don't see you trying to put that plan in place at all when you get back from the challenge.

[00:04:36] And so can you then take us through your perspective of when Joe comes to you and you mentioned about how it was like somebody defecated in his pancakes. And they don't even have a fancy song for that like chicken and waffles. There's not even a song for that yet. But from your perspective, obviously, I know that you're so tapped into the vibes. You knew something was off. What did you think was going on?

[00:05:05] To be honest, I thought that the loved one letters made him pretty emotional. Like we see a moment out there with Joe and I where I give him a big hug and a very powerful moment for him to see that message from his kids to the point where he felt like he could close a chapter on a very complicated thing that he had with his sister. And so he goes off and has that moment with his sister, has a very powerful, very raw, very real emotional moment.

[00:05:34] And closing that chapter and comes back. And then he talks to his, you know, alliance member, someone that he'd been working with every single day, had never had more than five hours apart from him the entire time that I was out there. And when he comes to me, I think I did not handle that emotionality the same way that I had always handled it, which was I'm pretty careful with people when it comes to their emotionality. I definitely try to listen.

[00:06:01] But I was ready to have the strategic conversation and he was ready to accuse me of stuff. And I was confused. Why are you accusing me of stuff? We're supposed to be having our strategic conversation. We're really close. And you don't really see that in the edit as much as it was. And so that confusion of somebody that is so close to me got in my head. And so I have this reaction of like, what's going on?

[00:06:29] And I attribute it to, oh, that's, I'm such an idiot. The sister thing. You just did the sister thing. Not Kyle and Camilla got their hooks into you. And that's why I didn't push maybe as hard as I should have. But I was also worried that if I pushed any harder, I was going to get the emotional reaction from Joe because he is an emotional guy. And I say it when I chose him for a reward. It's one of the beautiful things about Joe.

[00:06:58] And so didn't know how to navigate that. Add on top of that, that I'm not sleeping super well. I'm not super well fed. Even though we just had reward, that thing runs through you. It literally ran through me immediately. And you have me, you know, not making it through this perfect storm that Kyle and Camilla sent the alliance of three into. And I'm the guy who ends up getting booted, walking the plank. We saw in the episode, Mitch and Camilla are talking about your reward picks.

[00:07:28] And they're saying that these were bad picks that you ended up making, of course. They would probably prefer they got picked. Not like people that didn't get picked for reward. Yeah. But considering how everything went, do you think back to, you know what, I should have gone with different people? I mean, look, you know, if you're playing the game from my perspective and you genuinely think in that moment, I can beat Joe at Final Tribal. I can beat Kyle. I can beat any of these people at Final Tribal.

[00:07:58] Then the move, I think, is to choose the people that you think you need to keep the closest to you and make them feel close to you. Now, on top of that, you know, when you're out there, there is like four or five days leading up to either loved ones or loved letters or whatever. There's a conversation that happens around camp as to who's going to choose who for what, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:08:26] It was very clear to everybody that I was going to choose Joe before that even happened, especially because he was the only person that was left that had kids. And you want to see your children's drawings on national television. You want your kids to see their drawings on national television. And, you know, Monday morning quarterbacking is what it is. I think that I made the right decision given where I was in the game at the moment.

[00:08:56] I don't think it really made Mitch and Camilla mad enough to be like, now we're going to vote him out. I don't think that was the reason I got voted out. I think the reason I got voted out is because I was good at the game and a dangerous player. And Kyle Camilla saw that and they wanted to get rid of me. So, and not for nothing, I think everybody else would have chosen Joe too. Like, I think most of the people that were still out there also are choosing Joe. So the narrative that, oh, you fed him and that's why you won the challenge. It's like, give me a break, dude.

[00:09:24] You're choosing the guy that had the only person here that has kids. You're choosing him. Okay. So you talked about a couple of times that you felt like that you were playing a better game than Joe. Was your ultimate game plan of I'm going to get to the final three and I'm going to make my case. You are, you know, you coach debate that you are going to just out debate Joe at the final travel council. That was the plan or was there something different? Yeah. I mean, I write award-winning speeches every single year.

[00:09:54] I've been writing award-winning speeches, debates every single year. It's, it's, it, I am very blessed that I have an amazing speech and debate team. And this is where my brain is constantly. On top of that, if you're looking at the jury and who's on the jury, I think I have a pretty good shot with every single person on the jury. I might not have a great shot with America's vote because look at Joe. I mean, he's so handsome, amazing pecs, immaculate. They glisten like you wouldn't believe. And he's the firefighter. He's the father.

[00:10:22] And so he, he might win America's vote, but I think that I could win the jury's vote over anybody that was left. Not just Joe, Kyle, Camilla, Mitch, Eva. It doesn't matter because they perceived me as the brain because the way that I tried to run the game was Socratic consensus building, getting people, even the people on the bottom to feel like they were part of every single vote.

[00:10:50] You hear Mitch say at six, he felt like he could still work with me, even though he was on the bottom the entire time. I managed that relationship to make him feel like he could still work with me. I don't think that the other people that were out there had that same ability to work with people that they weren't working with. And I think that is good gameplay. I also never said anything about honesty and integrity out there.

[00:11:19] You cannot find a clip of me saying honesty and integrity. And that is on purpose. I know that the flip that happens from honesty and integrity to the other side is a lot of anger, especially in a player like David, where that is his ethos out there. And so I think that I had a really good opportunity to win the game. And at the end of the day, like that was confirmed when I got to Ponderosa. It's possible they were lying to me. These are people that play Survivor.

[00:11:47] But when I got to Ponderosa, I did get such an amazing welcome from the people that were already there. It made everything so much easier. And they said, we were going to give you a million dollars. We were absolutely ready to write a check for you. So I don't think that I was wrong. I think that the people that are remaining have all played incredible games. Like they really played different and they can all articulate different things. And so, you know, it'll be interesting to see what happens.

[00:12:15] But I think that at the time I was the best player that was remaining in the game. And you take out that person. So a betrally is rarely fun. Okay. I know. But when it happens to you. I'm killing it, Rob. Yeah. Are you. Is there one person in your alliance, your strong four alliance.

[00:12:37] Is there one person that it stings more from out of the people who did do that betrally? Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, of course. It hurts. It hurts the most from Joe, for sure. That, you know, Joe and I were very, very close out there. We spent every day together. We had, you know, incredibly deep conversations that were meaningful, that were about things

[00:13:06] that I haven't talked to, you know, the closest people to in my life about this stuff. My brother, you know, nothing. And still, you know, to get that betrally on me is certainly, certainly pretty hard. Kyle and I, Kyle and I too. Kyle was, it was pretty tough to take from Kyle, especially even watching it back, knowing that Kyle was gunning for me for so, so long. And I was really just trying to work with him for so, so long. I knew that he was a threat and I knew that maybe one day I would have to go at him.

[00:13:36] But we had a connection about our older brothers. Kyle has an older brother that I basically also have. Just an amazing older brother who is such a huge part of our lives. But yeah, the Joe thing stings for sure. Yeah. No doubt. How about Kyle and Camilla? When you watch the episodes back, did you see things that you were very surprised to see not knowing that you, when you were out there? Yeah. Certainly was surprised to see how much effort they put into getting rid of me.

[00:14:05] I am thrilled by that in a way, right? Like, that's what you want. You don't want it to be easy to get rid of you. But did not realize that I had registered for them as much as I had registered for them as a threat or whatever reason they wanted to get rid of me. They thought I was sneaky or whatever the rhetoric is that they used to get rid of me. But yeah, definitely surprised at how much they wanted me and for how long they wanted me and how long they were planting seeds to get me.

[00:14:33] All of that was surprising to me for sure. But the way it goes in Survivor, I also knew that people were going to be coming for me. I knew that this, you can't ignore this on a beach, especially when it's the only beard out there. It's like the aura is there. I knew that people would have that suspicion of me. There's a reason why you don't see me really searching for idols that much is because I already knew that the sus would be there and I didn't need to increase that sus level.

[00:15:01] And so you don't really see any clips of me searching because I was at camp the vast majority of the time just trying to play relationships, just trying to play the game. And I think you had all these relationships. I noticed all the times then when the people that were on the bottom, and I think you have the confessional, I think before say goes home, of the people that the says, the Marys, the Mitches, the stars,

[00:15:29] the people that at different points in the game were sort of like down and out, that you potentially could have done something. Were you ever tempted to think about making a move with a potential, these pieces that were just disregarded by the other players? So I think that sometimes, remember, we went out there after watching 46. And a lot of 46, I thought, was making a move just to make a move,

[00:15:58] just to build a resume. But if the resume doesn't serve your narrative, then it doesn't make sense. And I don't know why I would vote out, work with these people on the bottom to vote out my allies when my allies are particularly loyal based, right? And on top of that, I felt that I could beat them at the end. I felt that I could out argue them. I felt that I could out talk them. And I felt that they did not think that about me.

[00:16:28] I felt that they thought I was not as big a threat as they were. I felt that they had at least a little bit of ego or at least a little bit of delusion that they could beat me and underestimated me. So in some ways, it's a perfect storm of my allies being people that I can beat, them thinking they can't beat me, and everybody else thinking that I should beat them. So why would I make the move against them? It doesn't make sense from that perspective.

[00:16:55] If I have Ken and Hannah and I'm sitting there like Adam, then I'm good to go. I win a million dollars. Okay. Shaheen, I wish we had more time, but I know you had to run. So thank you for all the great answers here today. And hopefully we can connect again soon, okay? Thank you, Rob. All this, man. This is amazing. I'm obviously a massive R-Hap fan. Thank you so much. And quick, can we get one tribal shout out? Yeah. Oh, waka. C-N-O-maka. H-N-O-waka.

[00:17:25] E-N-O-mau-saka. All day, bro. It'll never leave my brain. Okay. People are going to put me with that. Okay. All the best outside the show. Take care. Bye, buddy. All right, everybody. There you have it. That's Shaheen. Shaheen, great job by Shaheen to take us through his thinking. It makes sense that he felt like, okay, I can beat Joe and Eva, and I'm just going to stay the course. And unfortunately, you know, that's not always the most exciting way that we want to see it go down. But from his perspective, he felt like that he had a pretty good shot to be able to do that.

[00:17:56] Ultimately, Kyle and Camilla get in the way, and that's what happened last night. We are going to be talking about what happened many nights ago when we play a little this week in Survivor History. We come back with Jordan Kalish right after this. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Hey, everybody. Rob here. Over the years, I've seen the conversation around mental health shift in a big way, and for the better.

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[00:19:42] All right, we are back here for this week in Survivor history. And once again, back with us, the man who puts it all together for the final time in Survivor 48, Jordan Kalish. How you doing, Rob? This is a bittersweet day because I am excited to be here to go over the Survivor finales and the episode 12s that occurred in Survivor history. But I am sad to be leaving you for the offseason at the end of this podcast. I will drift off into the universe.

[00:20:12] See you in September, Jordan Kalish. I know. The words I hate to say. Yeah. I'll be back. But I will go on my little yatus, and then I'll make sure that I study. Full teacher mode. A summer completely off from work, from Twitch, from the verbal rebus. I know. I'll just hibernate in the summer, and then I'm back for the fall, baby. Back for the fall. Okay. All right. If Twitch gets renewed, we'll have to see. If it gets renewed.

[00:20:40] Somehow it's gotten renewed to this point. So we're like Survivor, right? You know, there were people in the dark ages that were like, how does this keep getting renewed? But it happens. Okay. All right. And we'll have the Twitch new era in a couple of years, and that'll be a whole different thing. Oh, my God. All right. All right. Here with us to take me on in Twitch. One of my better Twitch seasons, I think. Here he is. Is he the final boss? It's Cal. Cal, how are you? I'm doing great. How are you doing?

[00:21:10] Doing wonderful. Okay. Cal, tell us a little bit about yourself. I am some guy from Massachusetts, Rhode Island area. And we met a couple of weeks ago? We did in Boston. Yes. A live show. We had a great time. Yes. Okay. And this is all coming back to me. And you are a bit of a Survivor history expert yourself. Sure. Yeah.

[00:21:38] I mean, I hesitate to call myself an author, but I did put out a book a couple months ago called The Ultimate Survivor Trivia Challenge. Oh! Oh. With no verbal rebuses? No, no rebuy. Oh! Now, what makes your book so ultimate? I think maybe the number of questions. Okay. Are they poorly worded, Cal?

[00:22:05] No, I meticulously checked the wording after listening to many episodes of Twitch. I'm putting that in my notes for next season. Meticulously checked the wording of the questions. Yeah. Now, Cal, is it from season one to season what is your book? It goes up to 45. Up to 45. Okay. Yeah. And it's all separated by difficulty. So there's some Twitch level stuff, but if you want the easier stuff, that's in there too. Are you worried Survivor 50 is going to blow up many of the answers in the book?

[00:22:35] Some of them have already been blown up. Like, how many votes has Banu gotten in his career? I'm praying. I'm praying for a Banu return. Okay. All right. Where can people get the book? You can go to SurvivorTriviaChallenge.com. That is the only place that you can get the book. Okay. If I win, do I get it for free? Yeah, we can make that deal. Okay. All right. Does he get a signed copy? Will you sign it? If the margin of your win is big enough, then sure. Okay. Sounds good. All right.

[00:23:05] Do you have any particular area of expertise, Cal? Ooh, I definitely don't. Yeah. Were you inspired by Jordan Kalish at all to write this book? I think I learned some lessons from Jordan. Oh, okay. That's pretty good. He is a teacher. He's an educator. That is true. He's doing his job. All right. Look, I'm inspiring the youth and I'm, and, uh, I'm inspiring, uh, Cal, Cal, uh, they've said that you are a constellation.

[00:23:33] So I'm happy that you are here gracing us, uh, with your presence, shining your light onto, onto Twitch. Okay. Yeah. All right. Jordan, what seasons are we talking about today? All right. We are talking about, we have an interesting quiz today. We have survivor Borneo. We have survivor Samoa and put your seatbelts on for the rest of these. We have old era mystery box. One old era mystery box. Two new era mystery box. One new era mystery box. Two.

[00:24:03] This is the almost, almost oops, all mystery box, but we do also have, uh, Borneo and Samoa in here. So Cal as the guest, where do you want to go first? You know, I was hoping for a mystery box. I wasn't anticipating four. Hey, Hey, you're moving. If you're moving, I got some extra boxes for you after this. There you go. Let's, let's, let's do a, let's do a new era mystery box. Two. Okay. Going to two first. So this is the new era.

[00:24:32] You said new era mystery box too. I did. In certain new era survivor seasons, a challenge advantage was hidden before the final five immunity challenge. But in only one of those cases, the player with the advantage won the challenge. Who was this player? Okay. I do believe that that was Erica. Erica. From survivor 41 is correct. Ricard gets voted out in this round. Cal, you start with two points. Very good job.

[00:25:00] New era mystery box too is off the table. So let me X that one out. All right. I'm going to take Borneo. All right. Going to Borneo. The survivor, which project is famous for Rudy's repeatedly saying, I don't know to his camcorder regarding the trivia questions about Jeff story. Obviously Rudy didn't win this challenge, but who did Cal? You're acting like you're going to answer the question.

[00:25:30] I don't think I know this one. Oh, okay. All right. So I don't have a distinct memory about this other than Rudy. I remember just like falling off my couch. Like it was the funniest thing I've ever seen when Rudy, every time he said, I don't know. But I think that we were just at a point when nobody could lose, or I'm sorry, that the person that couldn't lose any of these challenges was Kelly Wigglesworth. Kelly Wigglesworth did win.

[00:25:58] I believe it was the last four challenges, last four immunity challenges of survivor Borneo. And this was one of them. So Kelly is the right answer. Rob, you get two points and you have tied up the score. So we have for you, Cal, we have Samoa and then a bunch of mystery boxes. Yeah. I'm going to, I'm going to stick with the new era. All right. So try and keep this away from Rob. Mystery box. Give me my new era mystery box, Cal. All right. So Cal, by the way, are any, any of these book worthy so far?

[00:26:28] First one's definitely book worthy. Okay. I like it. Uh, so new era mystery box one, which two players have won the Samotion immunity challenge in the new era? Ooh. Okay. Two players, one Samotion. Yeah. And you need them both for the correct answer. Yes, I do. Okay. I know one of them. Oh man. Okay.

[00:26:56] So we did it in, I want to say 42 for sure. I'm going to lock in Romeo. The other one. I'm pretty sure that would be 44. I'm going to say Heidi won that. So Romeo and Heidi is your answer. I could say that Romeo did win it in 42 and Heidi won it in 44. So Cal, you get two points.

[00:27:25] I think when I start doing the thing where like, I'm like, Oh, you got part of it. Obviously you got it right because Rob would be able to steal a point. So I couldn't give that much information. So you are, you are correct though. Cal, you have a four to two lead. Rob, the new era mystery boxes are off the table. Heidi won Samotion. And then she said, you know what? I'm putting myself into the fire as you made the fastest fire ever. And the jury's like, eh, meh. Yeah. I mean, look, it's a, it's out, without play at last, it's not an out, out fire duel somebody. Yeah. But how many times is it?

[00:27:55] Well, you did. It was a, it was a very impressive. Heidi had a very impressive, uh, at least challenge performance wise, had a very impressive, uh, finale. Uh, so it is, uh, Rob, are you, which, are you going to an old era mystery box? Are you going to Samoa? Oh boy. Um, it's so scary. Uh, 40 seasons of survivor in one mystery box, but I'll, I'll do it. And I'll say, I'll go with old era mystery box two. Okay.

[00:28:24] Old era mystery box two survivor. Fiji was forced to cancel the loved ones challenge due to a coup d'etat in the country. Until this occurred, every prior season included an in-person loved ones visit for at least one player, except for one season, which season did not have a loved one visit any of the players. So these are pre Fiji seasons. There was only one season where there was not a, a player's loved one on location.

[00:28:54] I'm going to say it was in Africa survivor. Africa had a loved ones challenge, but it was a video based loved ones challenge where Lex wins. He had to match the answers with his loved one. There was nobody on location. So Rob, that is correct. You get two points. Uh, so that is a very good job there. Uh, I thought this was, that was going to be one where you would have to think about it for a little bit, but that is correct.

[00:29:25] So we're four, four Cal. Are we going to the final mystery box? Are we going to Samoa? We're absolutely not going to Samoa. Let's do the mystery box. Old era mystery box one. Only four players in survivor history have won the game by exactly two jury votes over the second place player. Two of these winners, D and Kenzie played in the new era. The other two played pre season 41 and like D and Kenzie won back-to-back seasons.

[00:29:54] Who are these two players? One. These are two back-to-back seasons. Samoa's not looking too bad, right? Yeah. This is a tough one. This is a tough question. You'd have to think about it, but there are two players. There are only two other players besides D and Kenzie who won the game by exactly two jury votes and they played and won back-to-back seasons. You mean chronologically, these are two back-to-back seasons. Chronologically aired back-to-back. Yeah. Yes.

[00:30:25] Oh, man. Difference of two votes. And I can tell you right now, it's definitely book-worthy. This one won't change. That's the good thing about the new era. It's locked in. Oof. All right. I'm trying to think of how these juries work. You could always go to the multiple choice if you need it. I really can. Then potentially opening up Rob for the win here.

[00:31:00] Would it? Hmm. I don't even know where to go with this one. I might need to go to the multiple choice. All right. Is that your final answer? We're going to the multiple choice. Yeah. Okay. We have A, Todd Herzog and Parvati Shallow. B, Natalie White and Sandra Diaz-Twine. C, Sophie Clark and Kim Spradlin. D, Sarah Lucina and Ben Dreybergen.

[00:31:33] Sorry, what was A one more time? Todd Herzog and Parvati Shallow. A was Todd and Parvati. Okay. I'm going to say it was D, Sarah and Ben. Sarah and Ben is incorrect. So Rob has the ability to steal a point here. Oh, that's what I would have said also. Okay. Yeah. Boy. So it was, what were the options again? It was... So A is Todd and Parvati. B is Natalie and Sandra.

[00:32:02] C is Sophie and Kim. And they're the two players in the old era who won the game by two votes. Okay. I don't believe it's Parvati and Natalie. I'm sorry. It's Todd and Parvati. Sandra and Natalie. Natalie and Sandra. Yeah. And then Sophie and Kim. And I think Kim wins by so much. So I think it's going to be Todd and Parvati.

[00:32:32] Todd won by a score of four to two to one over Courtney and Amanda. So that's two votes. Parvati won the game five to three. So that is two votes. Rob, you steal the point. So Rob, you have a five to four lead. This game is not over though, because if you were to get this wrong, Cal could steal a point. So mathematically, Cal, you are still in the game. Rob, I would say has the advantage here. He's going to Samoa. You have no choice but to go to Samoa. At the survivor auction, who won a clue to an idol that had already been found?

[00:33:09] Okay. I will go with the multiple choice here, because that does not screw me up in any way. All I need to do is just get the right answer. If you get the right answer, you clinch the win here. So at the auction, who won a clue to an idol that had already been found? Is it A, Dave Ball? B, John Fincher? C, Russell Hance? D, Shambo?

[00:33:42] Say it one more time. Sure. Was it A, Dave Ball? B, John Fincher? C, Russell Hance? D, Shambo? In my mind, I think it's between two of these people.

[00:34:15] I'm going to say John Fincher. So John Fincher was voted out of the game because he figured out that Russell must have the idol because of this clue. He went to the wall where it should have been. He had the clue. The idol was not there. He confronts Russell. Russell's like, crap. He tells John Fincher, I have it. And he's like, wait, we have to vote out John Fincher now. I made a mistake. Sometimes you get voted out because Russell makes a mistake. That is exactly what he said.

[00:34:44] So Rob, you win by a score of six to four. Cal, great job on the quiz. These were some tough questions. I think the toughest one is probably the win by two votes. That was definitely a tough one there. That's a tricky one. Yeah. And especially when you go to the multiple choice, which is tough not to on that question and you get it wrong, then it opens it up for the steal because the other person has three choices. But great job. Rob, you end on a high note here on a very good season for you. I don't know what your exact record is.

[00:35:12] This is week 12. I feel like you've maybe nine and three potentially. Maybe. Well, pretty good. Who's keeping score? Rob's fact checker probably has the stats on this. But Cal, we're all winners here on Twitch because for the final time of the season, we are going to go to the verbal rebus, which is going to be in your second trivia book when you do seasons 46 on. I know there's going to be a whole chapter about how the verbal rebus has expired your life. Yes.

[00:35:42] Didn't seem to know that a contestant with this name actually existed on their Micronesia cast. Plus, this player was blindsided at the Vanuatu final seven minus a rebus classic, Sarge's actual first name, plus the last name of the player who lost the Cook Islands final four fire making tiebreaker. Very famous fire making tiebreaker. It's about fire maker. Fire making challenge. The last name.

[00:36:12] The last name of the player who lost the Cook Islands final four fire making challenge. So if you're keeping score, Sundra's last name. Which I could help you with if you need it. If you told me a million dollars for Sundra's last name. I needed to get there somehow. I would be here for a week. Sundra Oakley is her. Oakley is her last name. Mm-hmm. Minus. Oh, good. Another last name. Minus Helen from 44's last name. So a little bit more recent. Okay. Okay. Okay.

[00:36:39] Plus Survivor's first merge boot. And here we're going to, you're going to love these next two clues. Minus the first two letters of Survivor's first juror's name. So he got voted out right after the first merge boot. Then minus the first two letters of Pascal's last name, Judge Pascal. Wait. Okay. This is a very convoluted verbal read. Minus what from Pascal?

[00:37:09] The first two letters of his last name. I had to get there somehow. It's correct. It's all correct. I jacked. This is meticulously. Take it away. Okay. Cal. I think we subtracted, added, and then subtracted the same syllable in the middle of this. I believe so too, but go ahead. Go ahead. No, it works. You'll see it works. It works. Okay. Kathy and Eliza didn't seem to know that this contestant existed. I also don't know this. Mary. Is it Melinda Tider? No, it's Melinda Tider.

[00:37:39] That's a good callback. It's Mary who? Mary is the right answer. Plus, this player was flying sided in Vanuatu at the final seven. I got nothing. Leanne. Leanne. Leanne. Minus Sarge's first name. This one, we all know it. Yeah. So minus Lee. Yes. So minus Lee. Multiple times, we're going to minus Lee. We minus Lee a lot on this. More times ever than any other verbal rebus, by the way. Plus, the last name of the player who lost.

[00:38:09] I gave you Oakley for the, Sunders' last name is Oakley. Minus Helen from 44's last name, which is very similar to you. Yeah, Lee again. So right now, we're at Mary Ann Oak. Okay. Oak. I think you know where we're going here. Yes. Plus Survivor's first merge boot. Okay. So now we have Gretchen. Gretchen. The minus, the first two letters of Survivor's first juror's first name. Greg. Okay. Correct. So the G-R. So we're getting rid of the, so now we're at Etchen. Marianne Oak. Etchen. Etchen.

[00:38:39] Minus, minus the first two letters of Pascal's last name, which is. English. Okay. E-N. So it's right. It's right. It's convoluted, but it's correct. Who do we have? We've got Marianne Oak. Yes. Twitch legend. Two-time Twitch player, Marianne Oak. Okay. Congratulations, Cal. We got there. We got there on the verbal rebus. We really got there. I don't know how you could have possibly talked. You're a big advocate for the verbal rebus, Cal? I am, because it's an improvement on last week's

[00:39:09] Alexis minus Lex minus is, which was so impressive. And this, you really, you really outdid yourself this week. Okay. Hey, it's the last one. I had to go out with a bang, baby. All right. Out with a bang. We did. All right. Cal, of course, where can people check out the book? You can find me on Instagram at Survivor Trivia Challenge, Blue Sky at Survivor Trivia. And then if you want to pick up a copy of the book and go to Survivor Trivia Challenge dot com. And you can use promo code TWISH at checkout for $2 off. Nice. Okay. And Rob,

[00:39:39] you don't have to use that promo code. Oh, yes. But did he win by enough? He only won by two points. So is it going to be signed? Hey, it was good enough for Todd and Parvati. That's true. That's very fair. Yes, that's actually, that was good foreshadowing for, for the quiz. We like to build in foreshadowing here on TWISH. Yeah. Follow me, follow me at Jordan Kalish. You know, I'll be at the Survivor. You know what? Actually, I won't be at my, my own Survivor viewing party. If you're at Bryson when I'll see you next week. And, but my, it will still be open at St. And, you know what? I'm off,

[00:40:09] I'm off for the summer. So you could catch me at the beach. You can catch me at some baseball games. I, I mean, if you run into me in person, say hi, but I, I, I probably won't hear from me until September. So it's, it's been, it's been real. Okay. All right. It's been real. Thank you so much, Jordan, for another great season of TWISH. And I will be live with the patrons on Friday afternoon, 3 p.m. Eastern for our patron Q and A. So be there for that. Rob is a website.com slash patron. Thank you so much for joining us. Take care, everybody. Bye.