Rob Cesternino interviews the fourth castaway eliminated from Survivor 47.[00:00:08] Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Cesternino back with our latest Survivor Exit Interview.
[00:00:15] And today we'll be talking with the latest player voted out of the game, Big Blind Side, and a very exciting episode, Week 4-y, as Kishan ends up getting voted out last night.
[00:00:27] We'll be talking with him in just a moment. Broke it down all with James Jones from Survivor 43 last night. You can check that out.
[00:00:35] Then later on today, I'll be talking with Steven Fishback here on the Survivor Know-It-Alls at 3 p.m. Of course, all that coverage is available for you to check out in our Survivor podcast feed at WeKnowSurvivor.com.
[00:00:48] Plus, we've got Jordan Kalish coming up as well for this week in Survivor History Trivia after my conversation with Kishan, but he's here with us on the line. Let's go ahead and patch him in.
[00:00:59] Hey, Kishan. Good morning. Rob Cesternino. Rob is a podcast. How's it going today?
[00:01:06] You know, it's all smiles, even given the circumstances. But, you know, got to live a Survivor dream of being blindsided, I guess.
[00:01:15] Yes. Big blindside last night. Looking forward to getting into everything. So can you talk a little bit about how this all went down from your perception?
[00:01:27] Because it seems like all you did wrong last night was say the wrong name in the fake plan.
[00:01:36] Yeah. So I think that was highlighted a bit more than it needed to be.
[00:01:42] I think the workings of Genevieve wanting to get me out were happening a lot further back than me just saying that.
[00:01:48] So kind of going into walking me through this, walking you through this boat.
[00:01:52] So Genevieve and I are super tight. You know, we have a really close relationship.
[00:01:58] I consider her like the closest person after Teenie, like very close. And I consider us three super tight, too.
[00:02:04] You know, I shared very specific details with her. I cried with her.
[00:02:07] You know, we shared a lot of stuff that made us really feel certified with each other.
[00:02:12] So when time came to, you know, needing to vote out Rome, it just made sense.
[00:02:18] We had already talked about this, that when Rome doesn't have an idol, hey, let's get Rome out.
[00:02:23] Genevieve was all gung-ho for it. She was like, yeah, that makes sense. Let's do it.
[00:02:26] Like when the time's ready, like when he doesn't have an idol, we'll get him out.
[00:02:30] So when Rome doesn't have an idol, you know, I'm just verbalizing like, hey, let's make that plan happen.
[00:02:37] Like even if Teenie doesn't have her vote, we're fine. You know, we're solid. Everything's okay.
[00:02:42] When we're sitting down to create a decoy plan for Saul, this fake decoy plan that we know is ridiculous because Saul's in on it, voting at Rome.
[00:02:52] Rome immediately is like, okay, well, it's not going to be me.
[00:02:56] I'm like, I mean, your name makes the most sense, buddy. Like Saul hates you.
[00:02:59] But he's like, no, no, not me, not me. So Rome's like, what about you?
[00:03:02] And I'm like, well, like it's fine. Like I said, I'm like, that's fine with me. However, I don't know if Saul's going to go with it.
[00:03:11] Like, I don't think he's going to buy that. Like, you know, immediately once we got back to the island after losing that second challenge or the second time,
[00:03:19] Saul and I were like, we created a plan together. We're like, hey, look, like we're fine.
[00:03:22] Like, let's vote at Rome. Like, we're going to be okay. Like, let's make this happen.
[00:03:25] Like he still trusted us. You know, we had a good relationship.
[00:03:29] Um, so I was like, that just doesn't make sense. Like Saul hates two people on this island and that's you and Genevieve.
[00:03:35] Like, why wouldn't he want to vote out one of those two people if he's ever going to do something?
[00:03:39] So then I'm like, okay, only Timmy or Genevieve are left. What about Genevieve?
[00:03:44] And so that's when, when I say it and Rome's like, yeah, sure. Let's do that.
[00:03:48] Yeah.
[00:03:49] I immediately go to Genevieve and I tell her, like, I'm the first one to inform of this.
[00:03:53] I'm like, hey, Genevieve, FYI, Rome and I sat down together and we're like, we need to create a decoy plan.
[00:03:59] We suggested your name. Are you okay with this? I even say that. I'm like, are you fine with this?
[00:04:04] Cause I know that's scary. And she's like, well, I don't want it to be like, can you say the reasoning?
[00:04:09] And I explained this, the reasoning that I just said. And she's like, okay, well, when you say it like that, that makes sense.
[00:04:13] Like, okay, that's fine. And I'm like, sure. Right. Everything's fine. Like, I want to make sure.
[00:04:18] Cause you know, being, having your name floated is scary. And she's like, yeah, no, that makes sense. Let's do it.
[00:04:21] And it's a fake plan. And she's like, I already got it built once. Like, it's fine.
[00:04:26] So that's why it's definitely a surprise when apparently that affected her a lot more than maybe it did.
[00:04:32] But I don't think that's actually the case that I don't think that was what really got her gears like turning.
[00:04:37] It wasn't me just saying her name. I don't think so. Cause she was okay with it. She knew about it.
[00:04:42] She knew me and Rome made this decision together. It wasn't me floating her name.
[00:04:47] I don't know what Rome told her, but I told her the truth. It was both of us. So.
[00:04:52] How much did teeny losing a vote affect what happened to you? If at all.
[00:05:00] I don't think at the end of the day, it probably affected much because regardless of the vote,
[00:05:07] what would have happened was I still would have proposed, Hey, let's get out Rome.
[00:05:11] I still would have gone to Genevieve because I thought she was in on this plan of wanting to vote out Rome.
[00:05:16] I never would have considered not looping in Genevieve into a voting out Rome plan because
[00:05:21] she was always for it. Like she was, she was down for it. We had talked about this.
[00:05:26] So I would have still looped her in, into this plan. Saul would have been looped in too, into this.
[00:05:31] So like it would have been just at that point, three to two rather than the two to two,
[00:05:36] which happened with teeny losing a vote.
[00:05:38] However, the thing I wasn't taking into consideration was Genevieve just telling Rome this.
[00:05:43] So that was the thing that really made an impact. It wasn't really, I think, teeny losing a vote
[00:05:48] because regardless, I still wanted to make the same plan.
[00:05:51] I still would have looped in Genevieve because of what I thought our relationship was and I,
[00:05:55] what I thought was going to happen. And we had discussed like already.
[00:05:59] I know you had the tighter relationship with Genevieve, but going back to last week's vote,
[00:06:05] have you had any second thoughts about going with the vote split plan?
[00:06:12] What do you mean by the vote split plan of like?
[00:06:15] Potentially breaking up Rome and Genevieve last week.
[00:06:19] Yeah. No. So when Tini and I sat down, the first branch point we were at was,
[00:06:25] Hey, okay, we need to decide which duo we're going with. Like we are so close with both pairs.
[00:06:30] Like it's not shown as well, but we're super tight with both Saul as well as Asia as we are with Genevieve in Rome.
[00:06:37] So we're like, okay, our first decision point is which duo are we going with?
[00:06:41] We definitely wanted to vote out Rome because that just made sense.
[00:06:43] However, we knew he had an idol. We knew he was telling us of all his like advantages he's collecting.
[00:06:49] So we're like, okay, that doesn't make sense.
[00:06:51] We're really tight with Genevieve. Like we've talked about voting at Rome together.
[00:06:55] I feels personally close with Genevieve. Tini felt close with Genevieve.
[00:07:00] Us three felt tight knit together. Like we felt if there was a trio, us three was the strongest trio.
[00:07:07] If there was a quadruple, maybe it was Saul and Asia, but as a three, we felt closer with Genevieve.
[00:07:14] So then it just made sense of, Hey, let's go vote Saul and Asia.
[00:07:18] And that's really where the conversation that we had with Asia came into play.
[00:07:22] We had that same conversation with Saul. We asked both of them. We're like, Hey,
[00:07:27] if this were needed to happen, if we needed to vote out the other person, would you be down?
[00:07:32] Saul was like, I wouldn't hate, I would hate it, but I'd be fine.
[00:07:36] Asia was like, I hate it and I'm not going to do it.
[00:07:39] So we're like, okay, I think we found who we're going to vote out.
[00:07:42] Cause the minute that we vote out the other person,
[00:07:45] we know who's not going to want to vote with us or not want to work with us.
[00:07:48] Like we just got that sense at that moment. So it all made sense in the moment of like, okay,
[00:07:54] like we're at a branch point. Let's choose between the two duos.
[00:07:58] Now let's choose between the two that we're going to need to like work with in the future.
[00:08:02] And this whole plan of like, even like the reason why the vote was so messy was because the conversations
[00:08:09] we had were like with, with Saul and Asia, we had created this fake plan that Rome was going to
[00:08:16] consider sharing and using his idol on Genevieve. Rome never said that. Rome has never floated the
[00:08:21] idea of sharing an idol onto Genevieve to like stir up the vote. That's something Mutini and I made up.
[00:08:28] We just created that and we're like, Hey, FYI, Rome might use this. Let's split up the votes so
[00:08:34] that one vote goes on to Genevieve, one will go to Rome. And that's why there was one on Genevieve,
[00:08:38] one on Rome. We go over to Rome and Genevieve and where you just tell them, we're like, Hey,
[00:08:43] we've had conversations. Let's vote out Asia. So that's why there's the three votes onto Asia.
[00:08:48] And then Tini decides to put one on Saul for. Did you know that was going to happen? Did you
[00:08:54] know Tini was going to vote that way? Did you have any sort of like conversation with
[00:08:58] Tini after the fact? Like, what are you doing? I did. Um, I knew her explanation was weak.
[00:09:03] She was afterwards. She was like, yeah, just in case, you know, um, it's a one, one, one. And
[00:09:09] you know, Asia has an idol. Like if she got something when she went off on the journey,
[00:09:13] like I just decided to throw one onto Saul cause I knew that regardless Asia would be voted out.
[00:09:19] Later on, I come to learn that it's because Asia and Saul are Asia and Tini knew each other. And
[00:09:26] there's this preexisting sort of relationship that she just, I don't think could get herself to vote
[00:09:31] for Asia. Um, however, in the moment I knew it was a weak explanation, but I still trust her.
[00:09:37] I'll solo tight with her. Like that's my Alliance member. Like I'm gonna, I'm fine. I don't care.
[00:09:41] It doesn't make a big difference to me. We saw the, uh, challenge performance did not go great.
[00:09:47] Uh, Rome was sort of parked there in front of the puzzle. Did you feel like then or now that Rome was
[00:09:53] throwing the challenge? No, I don't think Rome has a huge ego and Rome likes to win. I do not think
[00:10:00] Rome is throwing challenges. I think Rome is just really bad at puzzles. I don't think that guy
[00:10:06] should do puzzles. Um, I don't think he really would want to, I think he really thought he was
[00:10:12] in a good position. There's no need for him to throw a, uh, a challenge. Um, he also has a winning
[00:10:18] mentality, which I do admire and respect about him. Um, so I don't think he's throwing a challenge.
[00:10:24] Yeah. Did anybody push harder than we saw on the show for there to be a change up in the challenge
[00:10:31] from, uh, moving Rome off of that position? Um, during the challenge? Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean,
[00:10:40] we were all kind of like, can we sub in? Like, can we like, can, or if Genevieve, do you want to sit
[00:10:47] there? We're saying these things. We're like, Hey, switch up your strategy. This is not working.
[00:10:52] They're just not listening. They're like, we have a plan. We're going to do this.
[00:10:57] They're just not going to listen there. Rome. Once he's doing something, he's doing something.
[00:11:02] That's a part of kind of the frustrations that we had throughout our entire ordeal with being on
[00:11:07] lava with him. If he's going to do something, he's going to do something. And, and there's no
[00:11:11] changing his mind. And you know, if he's going to sit there with Genevieve, just handing a puzzle
[00:11:17] piece one at a time, not even thinking about what's going on. They're going to do that.
[00:11:21] Can you tell me, was there blowback in that scene where you and Teenie went and Teenie is showing you
[00:11:28] like, here's, here's Rome's advantage that he found. And then he walks up and then it seemed like
[00:11:36] that he seemed okay with it. That, uh, was that super awkward more than we saw?
[00:11:41] It was so awkward. Oh my God. I wanted to like, just like crawl out of my skin and not be there
[00:11:48] anymore. I was just like, ah, this is so gross. Um, but the beautiful thing is Rome still wanted
[00:11:55] to work with us afterwards. Cause it just, again, shows how much we had solidified that relationship
[00:12:00] with each of these people that like, regardless of whatever missteps we made and like errors may
[00:12:05] have happened, they still just came back and wanted to work with us. Same for Saul. We voted out as
[00:12:10] Alliance member Asia. He wants to immediately still want to work. He wants to work with us. Like
[00:12:14] it's just, it was part of solidifying that. And so like, yes, I was very uncomfortable and I was
[00:12:19] like, oh shoot, how is this going to pan out? But the immediate conversation we had afterwards was
[00:12:23] like, Hey, we're good. It's fine. Like probably best. It's fine.
[00:12:27] Kishan, was there anything else about your game that we didn't get to see that you wish was highlighted?
[00:12:32] Ooh. Yeah. I, I feel like, you know, it was shown a lot how much that Teenie and I kind of just
[00:12:38] were like treading along in the middle and like potentially that, you know, we'd made both decisions
[00:12:44] together. I just like, we were always sitting down together, making every single decision
[00:12:49] as a duo, like everything that was decided was already decided and like talked about between us
[00:12:55] two beforehand. So I think a lot of what's not been shown is the conversations between Teenie and I,
[00:13:02] kind of why we solidified the relationship we did. You know, we just, I know there's like pre-show
[00:13:07] interviews saying like, I got bad vibes from TC, which is, which is Teenie. Again, nothing but good
[00:13:13] vibes. We are, we were super tight. You know, we made super all the decisions together at all times.
[00:13:18] So I think it just something that wasn't shown is just that, you know, like how our relationship
[00:13:24] came to be and how we solidified this and how we made the decisions and why we made them when we
[00:13:29] made them. Cause you know, you know, you never know what's going on in anyone else's mind besides yours
[00:13:34] when you're on the Island. And I, it's, it's, it's, it's interesting that one specific perspective
[00:13:43] can kind of, you know, be left on the trail. Can you just tell us a real quick before you have to go
[00:13:49] when Rome stands up and steals your vote? Like, are you considering like saying anything in that
[00:13:56] moment of like, Hey, Hey, what are we doing here? Like, this is a bad idea. Let's have everybody.
[00:14:03] It's interesting. You know, now I'm just remembering, but at that tribal council, right before
[00:14:10] Jeff says, does anyone have something to use before that even happens? Rome stands up and he's like,
[00:14:17] I need to have a conversation with you. And we have like this scrambling before tribe, like during
[00:14:22] tribal council in which everyone's talking to one another. Rome comes up to me and he asks, he's like,
[00:14:28] Hey, are we good with the plan? Like everything? Okay. I'm like, yeah. Like it's, it's set. He goes to
[00:14:35] Genevieve. They talk. I talked to Saul. Teenie and I talk like everyone's talking to each other,
[00:14:39] like individually, and this isn't shown. And then, so when he stands up and he's like,
[00:14:44] Keyshawn, I knew that there was a switch in the conversation. I knew Genevieve told Rome at some
[00:14:50] point that, and that they had solidified this plan at that point, you know, you just accept it. And
[00:14:55] you're like, okay, this is a blindside happening. I understand it. I'm in shock. And you know,
[00:15:01] this is what a blindside feels like. And I'm just going to, I have to live through this moment. Now
[00:15:06] there's nothing I can say that's going to change it. Cause I know everything's already been spilled
[00:15:10] and the damage has been done and I've already done what I could to Rome. And I'm, I'm,
[00:15:17] there's no way of escaping it at this very brave way to face it. Yeah. You just, you just look it in
[00:15:24] the eye and you're like, all right, let's go out with a smile and positivity and, you know,
[00:15:29] relive all the wonderful things that happened and all the fun that we've had.
[00:15:32] All right. Well, Keyshawn, really nice to talk to you today. All the best outside survivor. Okay.
[00:15:37] Thank you so much. All right. Take care. Bye everybody. There you have it. There's Keyshawn
[00:15:42] and had a lot of interesting things to say, uh, some very thoughtful answers to the questions. I did
[00:15:49] think that one thing that he said that was pretty interesting was just talking about how players,
[00:15:55] you know, you worry about like, Oh, if I, if I break up these players, they won't work with me.
[00:16:01] And I just think that it speaks to that. The players are self-interested in terms of where,
[00:16:07] okay. You know, if we break up Saul in Asia, Saul is still going to want to work with somebody.
[00:16:12] And I don't think that there are too many players, especially in the new era that are going to hold
[00:16:18] a grudge against, uh, their own self-interest moving forward. And maybe they sort of like, uh,
[00:16:23] you know, a Saul is going to keep something like that in the back pocket. Or I don't know if
[00:16:28] necessarily teeny is going to be unforgiving. Okay. Oh, you took out my number one. Now I can't
[00:16:35] work with this group. I think that the players are going to still continue to do what their, uh,
[00:16:40] is in their best interest moving forward. And I think that's something that maybe we overthink
[00:16:45] of like, Oh, okay. These people are, this is a two, this is a two. They won't want to work with
[00:16:50] this person. And I think that basically everybody, you know, they're still at the end of the day.
[00:16:54] You've only known them for so many days. So that was a pretty good point from Kishon. All right.
[00:16:59] We've got Jordan Kalish coming up and another This Week in Survivor History when we come back
[00:17:05] right after this.
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[00:18:03] All right, everybody. It's your favorite time of the week. We're back to do a little
[00:18:07] This Week in Survivor History trivia with Jordan Kalisch. Jordan, how are you?
[00:18:17] Doing great, Rob. It's great to be back.
[00:18:19] You don't know that.
[00:18:21] Well, that's true. You know what? Last week I started as, oh, this is, it was such a good
[00:18:24] episode of Survivor because, uh, inside baseball, we record after the episode and,
[00:18:28] and I, I know that if I knew that Asia was going to be the one going out, that would not have
[00:18:33] been my reaction to the episode. So, you know, if any of our other good friends get voted
[00:18:37] out, then it was a bad week, but if it was, uh,
[00:18:39] And on top of that, we're just, uh, pull back at the curtain. We're recording this on Monday.
[00:18:43] Uh, your baseball team or my baseball team, uh, could be at a commission, right?
[00:18:51] By the time this thing comes out, it is, it is.
[00:18:53] No, I actually, I think mathematically, I don't think you could be out.
[00:18:56] You know, the Yankees, the Yankees can't by Thursday. Um, hopefully, you know,
[00:19:00] You could be sweating bullets.
[00:19:02] Yeah. So if you're, if you're listening to this and
[00:19:05] We're celebrating.
[00:19:06] That's why I said you don't know how you're doing.
[00:19:08] I don't know how I'm doing. This is, uh, uh, Schrodinger's Kalisch right now.
[00:19:12] Yeah. So hopefully, uh, we're all feeling great, uh, when you're listening to this,
[00:19:18] but currently I know we're feeling great to have another patron here to take me on
[00:19:23] in this week in survivor history. It's Kellen Whaley. Kellen, how are you?
[00:19:30] Hey Rob. Hey Jordan. I'm doing well.
[00:19:32] Okay. Kellen and I were chatting a little bit before, uh, we hit record and
[00:19:37] Kellen is in Kansas city, Missouri and is a, has a, um, in addition to his, uh, you know,
[00:19:47] in, in his downtime, I should say, uh, is that fair to say as a, as a hobby? I'm going to say,
[00:19:52] uh, you're, it's your number one thing, but you make cookies. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a second,
[00:19:58] second business of mine.
[00:19:59] A side hustle.
[00:19:59] Yeah. Yeah. So I do custom cookies for people in the Casey. That's like Jordan that he does this
[00:20:06] and then he has a side hustle teaching. Yes, exactly. Yeah, exactly. All right. So, uh, is,
[00:20:13] could people check out the cookies that you're making?
[00:20:15] Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's, uh, on Instagram I'm Whaley at Whaley underscore sweet. Um,
[00:20:23] um, my last name's Whaley. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. Some people, some people, when they're on survivor,
[00:20:28] they're, they're asked what, what is the number one thing you need right now? And the answer is
[00:20:32] going to invariably be cookies. So you're onto something, Kellen. Yeah. No, are you saying
[00:20:37] Whaley? Like when we had with Quinn and Leah, when he said that she's funny, she's Whaley,
[00:20:44] Whaley funny.
[00:20:46] I don't, I might change my name now for that reason, but like don't want the association.
[00:20:51] We're not supposed to, we're not supposed to talk about that.
[00:20:53] Okay. Sure. All right. And, uh, the cookies, uh, are only sick, nasty in the good way, not in,
[00:21:00] uh, the, not in the other words. And, and Kellen has laid out so much, like almost like a Crayola box
[00:21:06] behind him of buffs. It's beautiful. I've never seen the buffs laid out that way before.
[00:21:13] Thanks. Yeah. I, um, I like my color coordination. I had to make sure that they kind of span the whole,
[00:21:20] uh, color spectrum. Uh, so I have like the, yeah, I have like Lepevi and, uh, and Baran and Jabiru.
[00:21:29] Is that more survivor art above you in the picture frames?
[00:21:32] No, that's actually like the 1966 Batmobile.
[00:21:35] Oh, okay. That's cool. Yeah. I just, but you know what, honestly, just those three,
[00:21:38] like the green, yellow, and a red that I see, uh, looks like they could be like, Oh,
[00:21:43] like what tribes are those? Okay. It's like, yeah, only uses two different color combinations,
[00:21:51] red, blue, and yellow, and then purple, green, and orange. So is that Yasha all the way on,
[00:21:57] on your, your right? Is that Yasha?
[00:22:01] Um, yes, it is. This is, um, this is my Yasha buff. It's actually signed by Danny.
[00:22:07] Ooh. Um, yeah, I met her at a casting call in Topeka, like not long after I graduated college.
[00:22:15] Tracy's own, right. Yeah. Yeah. Guatemala is one of my favorite seasons. I, uh, it was there during
[00:22:21] my freshman year of college and we had two Kansans on the show, um, Brandon and Danny. So I was just
[00:22:28] like really, really into that season. I, like I'd watched it from the beginning, um, survivor,
[00:22:32] but up until that point, there really hadn't been a lot of Kansas representation. So that was really
[00:22:36] cool to see two in one season. Okay. All right. Well, let's see how well, you know, uh, non-Kansas
[00:22:44] trivia here as we are going to go through episode four, week four. Yes. And, and Kellen usually being
[00:22:51] a, a Guatemala expert does, does pretty well on, uh, in this specific trivia game, but I will say it is
[00:22:57] not one of the seasons we will be covering today. We have the Australian Outback, Palau,
[00:23:03] Token Jeans, Redemption Island, 41 and 42. So those are the seasons. Could I hear those seasons one
[00:23:09] more time, Jordan? Yep. We have Australian Outback, Palau, Token Jeans, Redemption Island, 41 and 42.
[00:23:19] So Kellen, as the guest, you get to choose the season first. Sorry. Just writing these down 41 and 42,
[00:23:27] 42, 41 and 42. Yes. Okay. Um, neither of those, I think I'm going to start with,
[00:23:35] um, I'll start with Australian Outback. All right. Kicking it old school at Ogacore's third
[00:23:41] straight tribal council. Mitchell was sent home via the previous votes against tiebreaker.
[00:23:47] Who was he tied with on the vote and revote? I believe that was Keith.
[00:23:57] Keith. A lot of people didn't like how he made the rice and maybe one of the reasons he got votes
[00:24:04] at this tribal. So that is correct. Kellen, you start with two points going to super old school.
[00:24:09] And, uh, that that's usually, I think, I think Rob's bread and butter butter is, uh, are those old
[00:24:13] like single digit seasons? Uh, you, you got the points there though, Kellen, Rob, uh, you're trying
[00:24:19] to match now. Uh, we can go to any of the five remaining seasons. Okay. I will, I will go with,
[00:24:24] uh, 42. All right. So we're going to the most recent on this list. Who voted for Tory at the tribal
[00:24:32] council in which, in which Swathy was voted out? Hmm. Who voted for Tory?
[00:24:48] Um, and now I'm tempted to say Swathy herself, but I'm going to say I could take multiple choice,
[00:25:10] but I think I know basically, uh, I have it down to five. So Jordan could eliminate one person for
[00:25:15] me with the multiple choice. Uh, I'm going to say, I'm going to say it was Roxroy. All right. So you
[00:25:22] said you were tempted to go with Swathy. Swathy played the shot in the dark. So she did not vote for
[00:25:25] anybody. The only person that did not vote for Swathy who had a vote was Roxroy. So Rob,
[00:25:31] you tie the game two to two. Uh, very good job. I would not have, if you asked me, did Swathy
[00:25:35] play or shot in the dark or was it? No. Yeah. But, uh, you, you, you nailed it. So, uh, we are,
[00:25:41] we are doing well here, both of you. Uh, and we will go to the next question. Uh, Kellen,
[00:25:45] what is the next season you would like to go to? Um, I would like Palau, please.
[00:25:50] Palau. I will say, Kellen, you're not the first Kellen to play, uh, this week in survivor history quiz.
[00:25:54] Second, second Kellen. Uh, and I think, um, did Kellen win Rob? I don't, I don't remember.
[00:25:59] Uh, yeah, I think so. I think she did. Um, very memorably James Miller was chosen as the leader
[00:26:05] of Oolong stuff for the home Depot bathroom building challenge. Who was Coror's more successful
[00:26:11] victorious leader? I think it was, hold on. Let me think Tom or Ian are the obvious options,
[00:26:34] but with so many people having to sit out, you know, I think I'm going to go with
[00:26:52] choice too. I know I could. Um, I think multiple choice would give me Tom, Ian, and then probably
[00:27:02] Greg and Kobe or somebody. So I don't know if that would help. I think I'm going to go with
[00:27:11] Tom Westman, a challenge beast was not the leader in this challenge. Rob, you get to steal. This would
[00:27:18] be for one point. You don't get the multiple choice because Kellen didn't choose to take it.
[00:27:22] Oh yeah, this is very tough. Um, I feel like I'm going to go a little bit, um,
[00:27:33] different director. I'm going to say, how about Katie, Katie, Katie Gallagher. If you had the
[00:27:40] multiple choice option, she would have been one of them, but the answer was Ian. So it was Ian
[00:27:44] Rosenberger, the dolphin trainer. If this were the other way around, who was myself? Yeah. You both,
[00:27:49] you both would have nailed James Miller. I'm sure. Uh, so you, neither of you get points on that
[00:27:54] question. Uh, Rob, you get to choose, uh, the next category. I'm going to go with,
[00:27:57] I think it was Karen redemption Island. All right. Redemption Island. When Russell was officially
[00:28:03] eliminated on redemption islands, who publicly admitted to having an idol before Russell had the
[00:28:08] chance to even burn his buff and exit the game. Hmm. I believe it was the late, great Ralph Kaiser,
[00:28:22] Ralph Kaiser, one of the players on the season who possessed an idol was the person who admitted
[00:28:29] at this, uh, this redemption Island in, in sort of a fight with Russell hands on the way out.
[00:28:34] You see, he admitted it. He said it. What an idiot. Like, well, well, uh, uh, I meant to do that.
[00:28:42] Yeah. This is why. Yeah. Russell, Russell was basically was like, I have to be the quarterback.
[00:28:48] I have to be the wider. See if I have to catch the ball and throw it and run it. Uh, we could use
[00:28:52] them on, on the jets. Uh, but, but yes, uh, uh, Ralph Kaiser is correct. Kellen, if you want to stay
[00:28:58] in it, Rob has a four to two lead. You need to get this, uh, next question, right? And I guess you
[00:29:04] don't technically, no, you, you do need, you would need to get the, uh, I believe you do need to go for
[00:29:09] two here. Uh, we have either 41 or we have, uh, token chance 41 or token chance.
[00:29:21] Um, let's do 41. Okay. 41. The other new era question in this quiz, who said the phrase,
[00:29:33] they hate me cause they ain't me coining the title of this episode.
[00:29:43] I believe that was, hang on. Let me think. I have it down to two, but I think I'm going to go with
[00:30:05] JD. JD is incorrect. JD did say money in this episode, but he did not say they hate me cause
[00:30:16] they ain't me. Uh, Rob, you can steal a point here. Yeah. Uh, I think I am going to be able to
[00:30:22] steal this one. Uh, I believe it was, uh, Sydney. Sydney Siegel is correct. You get the point, Rob,
[00:30:30] you, you take the five, two leads. Sydney, uh, did, did not like that. She was potentially being,
[00:30:35] uh, targeted by Danny and Sean here. Uh, it, it turned out that, uh, she, she probably was able
[00:30:41] to, it probably would have actually been Erica if, if the tribe lost a, which would have, uh,
[00:30:45] changed survivor history. We don't know that. Perhaps that I, you know, I think that,
[00:30:49] you know, like something I think I've noticed in the new era is that I do feel like that one of the
[00:30:54] things that they like to do is maybe like ramp up the like danger level for our winners. Like for
[00:31:01] instance, like would Kenzie have actually gone home had Bonu not quit? Uh, Q says yes, but you know,
[00:31:09] Tiffany says no way. Like, I kind of feel like that maybe they might like, uh, you know, if that tribe is,
[00:31:15] is going to potentially throw a challenge, they're like, Oh, then when you look back,
[00:31:19] like, wow, it was so close, Erica could have got voted out. Kenzie could have Gabler was in so much
[00:31:24] trouble. Yeah. But then she, if she, if they would have, if they would have voted out her or Mariah,
[00:31:30] oh my God, all they had to do was put down a couple more letters and they would, it would have voted
[00:31:34] out, uh, Marianne. But the thing is though, uh, I wonder if Erica would have was always just destined
[00:31:38] for the hourglass. Like if she gets voted out, I wonder if they just say, Oh, you could turn,
[00:31:45] is Matt Blankenship going to go, or is it going to be jam jam? Which is it? That's true. That's
[00:31:50] true. I mean, that was, that was actually a vote. That was one of three to three to two vote. Uh,
[00:31:53] but okay. They hate me because they hate me was Cindy Siegel. So Rob gets the point. We have one
[00:31:57] more question. Unfortunately, Kellen, you were not going to be able to win the quiz. Um, so the last,
[00:32:02] the last question is technically Rob's, um, while JT tied Rupert's weight holding record in the
[00:32:08] load bearing challenge, he was not the last player remaining. Who was the last player holding weight,
[00:32:13] clinching the reward for their tribe? Hmm. Not a, not an easy question.
[00:32:18] Kellen, you know this, I have an idea. I'm going to, let me take a guess. Let me take a guess. Okay.
[00:32:28] Uh, I, I think I, my guess is down to two.
[00:32:32] There was another person from Jalapow is what you're saying.
[00:32:37] Uh, well there, there, I am not saying who won the challenge. Okay.
[00:32:42] JT tied the record and he's from Jalapow, but the, uh, the, the answer is not necessarily someone
[00:32:48] from Jalapow. It could be.
[00:32:49] Mm-hmm.
[00:32:54] JT tied the record, but then somebody, uh, somebody outlasted JT is what you're saying.
[00:33:00] I'll say it was coach.
[00:33:01] It was not coach coach. Coach coach was not one of the people holding weight.
[00:33:05] So Kellen, you do get to seal here for, uh, for a point. So it would either be a five to two loss
[00:33:10] or five to three loss. If you get a, if you get three here, then you, uh, will, will be at least
[00:33:14] have been closer to Rob's total.
[00:33:18] Um, my, my, my instinct was Taj, Taj Johnson, George, her husband was used to, uh, carrying the,
[00:33:26] the load for the Tennessee Titans back in the day. And Taj Johnson, George was the last
[00:33:30] remaining player. She outlasted Debbie BB. So in this challenge, the players got to give,
[00:33:35] the contestants weight. So while JT did hold the most weight, he, he fell and there was still
[00:33:40] Debbie and Taj fighting for reward. So you do get the point, Kellen. The, uh, score is five to three.
[00:33:47] Congratulations, Rob. You are a winner after, uh, losing last week. So you're, uh, you're back.
[00:33:51] Three in one baby off the schneid off the shot. I wish, uh, yeah, wish our jets were looking so good.
[00:33:57] All right. Yep. Uh, and, and we do have, Oh, verbal rebus. Do you like the verbal rebus,
[00:34:03] Kellen? Um, yeah, for the most part, would you ever do a rebus on cookies or a cake?
[00:34:12] Um, uh, no, I just, yeah. I mean, maybe if I got, if I had some good ones, I think you could,
[00:34:20] a cookie rebus would an edible rebus. No one's ever done that before.
[00:34:23] Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. So here we have, uh, uh, Kellen, you said you love Guatemala,
[00:34:30] uh, Guatemala's first boot, the first name of the first boot. Okay. Plus, uh, plus T bird once
[00:34:35] confessed it was blank. Okay. Plus the first name of the first boot and second best podcaster on
[00:34:43] survivor 47 plus Bucky bow is the blank of survivor legends. Big Tom. Okay.
[00:34:53] What was the one about, what was the clue? Second to last clue. The second, the last clue was the,
[00:34:58] the, uh, the first name of the first boot and the second and second best podcaster on 47. So
[00:35:03] a little subjective, but I think the second best podcaster at 47. Is this last week's rebus?
[00:35:08] This was, this was last week. So we didn't get to do it last week. And I like,
[00:35:11] I'm like, he wasn't, he's not the fourth boot. No, he's not. It's a different.
[00:35:16] This was, we didn't do, we didn't do last week. So I wanted to get it because I wanted to get the,
[00:35:19] to get the, uh, the, the, uh, John Lovett dig. Okay. And the Bucky bow clue. You know,
[00:35:24] you never get to talk about, please don't, uh, provoke, uh, very famous podcasters, uh, with,
[00:35:29] uh, big podcast audiences. If you don't mind Jordan. Thank you. You think, you think John love,
[00:35:34] I guess, I guess John Lovett's audience could be listening. Listen, you think I, I,
[00:35:38] I touched the hot stove once. Yeah. Well, I think he'll be fine with it. I think it's,
[00:35:43] it's, it's, he'll realize it's tongue in cheek when, when John Lovett tunes into this one.
[00:35:46] So who is it? Who do we have? I think you said it actually. Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson. Correct.
[00:35:52] That is correct. Um, right. Uh, off, off the, uh, the, the Cowboys, uh, big, big win last night on,
[00:35:59] uh, on the Sunday night or Sunday night football. Yeah. After I went to bed. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
[00:36:04] All right. Telling where can people keep up with you? Um, on Instagram, uh, you follow the cookie
[00:36:10] journey, uh, at Whaley underscore suite. Um, and then I think I'm just at Kellen Whaley or Kellen
[00:36:17] B Whaley or something like that. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, Kellen, thank you so much,
[00:36:21] Jordan. Uh, what about for you? You can follow me on Twitter at Jordan Kalish. Uh, and you can,
[00:36:27] uh, always, always, uh, I have had people actually DMing me about the, uh, the viewing party,
[00:36:31] the survivor viewing party in Manhattan that we do every week. Uh, so check that out. If you're
[00:36:39] going to be, uh, watching survivor together, I can't wait, can't wait for the, uh, RHAP live
[00:36:44] show. So I won't be at my own viewing party, but if you want to go to that, if you don't
[00:36:46] have a, uh, uh, if you, if you, if you can't make the live show and you still, you're still
[00:36:51] in the city, you're stuck. You can still go to my viewing party. I won't be there, but,
[00:36:54] uh, I, uh, it's always a fun time. Good seeing everybody. I wish I, I wish I was able to
[00:36:59] make some, uh, some nice looking cookies. All my, the stuff that I baked tastes good, but
[00:37:03] doesn't look good. Okay. All right. Well, look, uh, it could be one or the other and probably
[00:37:07] the better one to pick, right? Yeah. I think if I had to have one, it would be that I'm
[00:37:10] sure Kellan's are good. Tastes good and look good. Okay. Probably. I've been told. He's
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