Evvie Jagoda Recaps Survivor 47 Ep 12

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[00:01:08] Oh, we're live. Yes, there's no Know It All theme song and this is going spectacularly well.

[00:01:15] Hello, I'm not Rob. Rob is in Houston. I'm sure having a lot of fun. I don't know who he pays to get the great episodes when he's at these live events, but I also benefit to get to come onto the postgame show and talk about it with great guests like the person who is with me today.

[00:01:31] So excited to have this person here to break down what is, I think, certifiably, I don't think anyone can disagree. Best episode of the season, a spectacular episode, so much fun, so much going on. It is a great AVG go to everything. Thank you for being here.

[00:01:46] Thanks for having me, Shannon. I'm so excited to be here. You know, if you can't be with the whole RHAP world, next best thing is to get to talk about it with you, Shannon.

[00:01:56] So, yeah.

[00:01:56] This is good. This is better. High bar. I think we passed it. This is going to be good.

[00:02:00] I agree. I mean, if it was me and Steven, like, I don't know, but me and you, there you go.

[00:02:06] I'm glad we agree. And Steven will never listen to this to know about the shopify, so that was really smart.

[00:02:10] Evie, let's talk about it. I don't even know where to start. I feel like what, like, plurality vote tick, like, heist movie with the fun music tick, but not, like, easy, like, it was definitely going to happen.

[00:02:22] Like, so many hurdles, like, impossible to pull off with, like, pinpoint precision tick. Like, please help me.

[00:02:30] So fun. I mean, truly Survivor at its best. We, there was, and both the thing that happened and the storytelling of it, like, I feel like some,

[00:02:39] so many Survivor episodes are exciting because it's just, like, a big surprise that you couldn't possibly anticipate or, like, that's some of the ones that the, I feel like the show has been shoving down our throats occasionally.

[00:02:51] But this is, like, the perfect one. There's a plan. You know what could happen. Is it going to happen? You know what all the different pieces are. We really saw all the things. Like, it was just so fun.

[00:03:01] And the one thing that I think sucks is that I love Caroline.

[00:03:05] I know, I know.

[00:03:05] And I feel so sad that that's where this ended up. But I didn't want Rachel to go either. And so, you know, yeah.

[00:03:12] So that, that to me is the mark in the episode. But also, if you're going to be an amazing player and a super fan, you will...

[00:03:21] Oop, I think, am I not hearing you? Oh, yep, you were muted.

[00:03:25] Somehow I muted myself. I was just so sad about Caroline. Can you hear me now?

[00:03:29] Yes, but I think you're on your other mic.

[00:03:31] Okay. Maybe you talk for a sec.

[00:03:33] Okay. Well, you were saying about it being devastating. And I agree. But Caroline, Rachel, and Genevieve as the three options was so incredibly painful.

[00:03:41] There's been a lot of content around, like, every tribe. But, like, they're designated, like, nerdy, smart girl.

[00:03:46] And there were all the options this week. And, like, it was killing me. So that was devastating.

[00:03:50] But it's a great jumping off point to talk about the move.

[00:03:53] Because, speaking of that, I had some deja vu remembering when one of my favorite players and people went home in a big endgame move with, I think it was a 3-2-2 with an extra vote.

[00:04:03] And it was a final six, but a plurality structure by one of my other favorite people and players.

[00:04:08] And that is Marianne taking out Oma.

[00:04:10] And yesterday, I was talking to Oma and we were like, Andy needs to do a 3-2-2. It is so perfect. It would be so fun. It gives him the credit because he's drawing dead from a goat perspective.

[00:04:22] But I said last week in the podcast that Andy was incentivized to flip. And I just didn't think that he would.

[00:04:27] I thought his perception of himself was that he was running things. I didn't realize that that wasn't narration. That was a threat.

[00:04:32] He was setting himself up to do something cool. And he knew his perception that he needed to do something.

[00:04:37] So the fact that he knew to do that, I'm so, so impressed by it.

[00:04:42] I feel, I don't think he's going to win how it went for Marianne and we can talk it through.

[00:04:45] But I feel like this was the Marianne move that he needed to make where he had no chance of winning before.

[00:04:50] He was such a goat. And now there is a pathway where he can win and have something to talk to.

[00:04:55] And I just want to give him all the flowers because I thought that was incredible.

[00:04:59] Okay. Yes. I really, first of all, do I sound good to you, Shannon?

[00:05:02] You sound amazing. Plurality power was just dropping bombs. That was the fault.

[00:05:09] Yes, exactly. Exactly. Okay. I, uh, I'm very conflicted about this. I have to say.

[00:05:14] Oh, okay, good. I want to bring you across.

[00:05:16] Yes. So this is good. Yes. Okay. So first of all, I mean, I think I will start by saying kudos to Andy for clearly being the mastermind of an amazing play on Survivor.

[00:05:27] Like we all saw, he was like, here's the plan. Let's do it.

[00:05:30] He had the necessary pieces of information. He really, like, he really, we saw that he mastermind that.

[00:05:37] I think definitely we can also, well, I'm sure talk about it. I think Sam and Genevieve also did amazing jobs with their, their roles, but definitely he was the mastermind.

[00:05:44] Yeah.

[00:05:45] Yeah.

[00:05:45] The trouble, uh, here's the, I mean, it's just really hard. It's really hard to break the, the, the bad perception. Right. And, and, and I, what I worry for Andy, I, I, it's like, it's not like I know what he could, what other thing he should do besides what, like, this was, this was the thing to try to do. Right.

[00:06:05] It's do a big move. However, I feel like, especially we all just like, we saw the tribal council, Genevieve and Sam did amazing jobs of like clearly acting and then being really happy after the whole jury saw that the whole jury knows that it should have been Sam or Genevieve knows that they are the big threats.

[00:06:26] Also, you have to give like, like there is some literal on paper, big credit for Sam. He won the reward. He obviously brought the right two people.

[00:06:36] Yeah. I mean, you know, in, in making the plan happen. And so I do feel, I mean, if, if the world is that Andy makes this move and gets to the end without Sam or Genevieve, I think hanging this on his hat. Amazing. But I do think he's still very likely drawing dead with either of them there, even though he for sure.

[00:06:56] Just saved Sam in the game. But I do what, what I worry is that this just is more feathers for the other people. And you already saw like Sierra doesn't like Andy because he flipped on her and now he's like, he flipped again.

[00:07:11] Like, I just, I just think he's in such a hard position. Like I, again, I think from an audience perspective, watching the game, it's like, we just can give Andy a ton of flowers. He really just did that. We've, we saw it. I just, I don't know what the other option is necessarily for him, but I'm like, if he could, he clearly has had a lot of rank in the five person underdog thing.

[00:07:34] Like, I, I think Rachel was the biggest threat there, but he is like saying logical stuff. I'm like, is there a way he could have not flipped and somehow being, been like the king of that group?

[00:07:44] Maybe not because he didn't really have anything to offer them, but I'm just not sure. I was like, now they all hate him. You know what I mean? Like potentially, like, I'm not sure, you know, like for Andy, if, if they were, uh, if, if they're on the jury, you know what I mean?

[00:07:58] Like, I don't know. You know, I think that Andy needs to sit next to teeny. So I mean, I think that this move needs to be paired with Rachel, uh, with Genevieve and Sam and now Rachel, unfortunately going in the next three rounds.

[00:08:10] It only works for me. If you are taking out definitely Sam and Genevieve, you're sitting next to teeny Sue and what would have in an optimal world been Caroline.

[00:08:18] Like you take them out and I know people are worried about the vote block. He's in a minority. I'm not sticking with this group, you know?

[00:08:23] And that's one of the things that makes the move so great for me is that he has a buffer of two bigger threats who should go over him. And that's why he shouldn't be targeted next.

[00:08:31] So having that, and then them all reverting to like, we still need to take out Genevieve and Sam before the end is one of the best parts of the move for me.

[00:08:38] Now I am really worried about his perception. You're seeing them on the jury. He flipped again at the end of the day.

[00:08:44] I think this is the most he can do. If his perception is too hard to come back from, that's a previous problem.

[00:08:50] Like that's not the problem here, you know? And, and Marianne, I think had some respect and she spoke so well when Tori went home and she had, you know,

[00:08:57] maybe she had put some people off, but she had the likability and she was able, she had the idol.

[00:09:01] She raised it into a winning game. But the jury will spin on likability, whatever they want to, if they want to say,

[00:09:09] which I think parts of the narrative we're trying to say at points that like Genevieve puppeteered this,

[00:09:13] they're going to say it. If they want to say he's flaky and he flips and it's not strategic and it's personal and all of this stuff,

[00:09:19] they're going to say that. And then that's a perception problem that even one of the better moves I think we've ever seen,

[00:09:24] and such a cool move, couldn't get him out of. But I don't think there's anything else he could do.

[00:09:29] And I think if he doesn't do this to go ahead to six and lose a Genevieve or a Sam,

[00:09:34] he's lost all his opportunities. He's either getting to the end as a goat, getting zero votes, the worst fate,

[00:09:40] you know, which someone like Ben Dreebergen quit to avoid that fate, you know, zero votes, awful.

[00:09:46] And they might not even let him get there. You know, we've seen Caroline saying confessional that

[00:09:50] she might want to take out Andy and go to the end with the women. So to leave it all in their hands

[00:09:56] would be, I think, terrible to go to the end with no story. He was drawing dead. And now is he going

[00:10:01] to win? I still think it's very, very hard. I think it's so unfortunate for him that Rachel won immunity.

[00:10:07] Rachel won immunity. Really unfortunate for him that Rachel won immunity. He's up against like

[00:10:12] these other trinkets. He needs to get rid of three threats in front of him in two voting rounds and

[00:10:18] then a challenge in fire where you have very little control. So I think that's really, really hard.

[00:10:23] Like Marianne took out Oma and had one threat to get out in one round. Like it's, it's, it's very,

[00:10:28] very difficult to get to that point. But I think if he gets to that point with now Teenie and Sue,

[00:10:34] there's a pathway there. It's a jury lesson. I don't know. And even if he doesn't get all the

[00:10:39] threats out, I'd rather sit with a Sam and talk about all I did here that I masterminded that I

[00:10:45] came up with it, that I did the most difficult part. Sam agrees in this episode, the most difficult

[00:10:50] part was getting the split to happen and putting himself on the right side of the split. That was

[00:10:54] key to this whole plan. So I still rather do that and sit there. Is it a hundred percent win?

[00:10:58] Is it a win? No. Is it a probable win? No. Was it zero last week and a pathway exists now? Yes.

[00:11:06] And it was cool and I loved it and I have no bad words to say about it.

[00:11:10] Okay. I mean, you, yeah, you really, you, you did, you're making really good points. You're making

[00:11:14] really good points. And also like, also obviously we saw that the four remaining people at the camp

[00:11:20] were like, okay, Andy's five now in the group. So yeah, I mean, so you're, you're, there was no choice.

[00:11:26] Yeah. I think, I guess I got, I think I'm stuck on how to evaluate when I feel like he's still

[00:11:32] probably cannot win. However, I think you are making a very good point that I feel like I thought

[00:11:37] I wasn't sure if he, who would win in the Sue teeny Andy final three. And I honestly thought maybe teeny.

[00:11:45] And now I think that flipped in this episode and I think both, both Andy bumped himself up and teeny way,

[00:11:51] unfortunately. So yeah. So I think, uh, yeah. Okay. You, you convinced me.

[00:11:56] You convinced me. I I'm into it. I'm into it. I mean, I always was into it as it's was objectively

[00:12:01] bad-ass and cool. I think also just, just also the other point is like Sam and Genevieve are

[00:12:09] extremely influential, presumably if they end up on the jury, you know, everyone thought of them as

[00:12:14] big threats in the game. They were there. They know what an amazing, like how Andy really like,

[00:12:20] uh, you know, brought this together. And so, uh, if, if they are on the jury, I think that will

[00:12:24] really bump his stock up quite a lot. So, all right. All right. You totally sold me a hundred

[00:12:28] percent in a hundred percent on the move. Okay. Great. I love us nerding out about it to all of

[00:12:33] the people who are my people understanding this. I was like, Ooh, it's so cool. And it's like a

[00:12:37] plurality three, two, two vote where you, you know, take the numbers over a split and get like,

[00:12:41] it's so finicky. I'm like, are the casuals understanding that he needs to be on the primary

[00:12:45] of the split and not the second and how finicky this is. And I want to talk about it from the,

[00:12:50] what I'm calling the, what was it? Operation Italy. The operation it's a three is the workshop

[00:12:56] name that I'm doing for the group. I don't think survive through next week. Um, but it's

[00:13:01] it's a three is what is Genevieve, Sam and Andy. It's a three. Yeah. I think we can. Um,

[00:13:09] and I want to talk about them and they all had their roles, which we will talk about,

[00:13:12] but before we do, I need to ask what basically is survivor podcasting, which is like, who messed

[00:13:16] this up? What is the issue here? Yeah. Because to be fair and let's talk about it. Yeah. Three

[00:13:23] people beat four people that have four things, immunity to idols and a vote block. It should

[00:13:28] have gone a lot better than it did. And it didn't. So there were a lot of conversations around.

[00:13:33] Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Sorry. No, I just, you know, should they use the vote block? Should

[00:13:37] they use an idol? Should they have not split the vote? Should they have split it four to one? Should

[00:13:41] they split three to two, but with Andy on the other side, there's a lot of, where do we put

[00:13:44] the blame? That's my question. Okay. I think, I think we should maybe rank who rank the faults.

[00:13:50] Cause I think there's definitely, I do love to rank some faults. Do you like to rank some faults?

[00:13:53] I love doing it from my ranking. I do love a ranking and I love to like criticize people.

[00:13:58] Yeah. I mean, well, first of all, first of all, we should just always just say, and this is to be

[00:14:04] clear, this is full hindsight is 2020. I am sure I would have fallen for this true, but I get to be

[00:14:09] podcasting and not playing right now. So obviously I would have noticed.

[00:14:13] We're not even outside. It's great. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Brilliant. If someone is really insistent

[00:14:18] about a vote split, that should be a red flag. Like, like that just, we've seen, that is the

[00:14:24] classic way that people flip and mess it up. So if someone is really out there on the vote split,

[00:14:31] and I do think that's, that's also credit to Andy for like, I think the way he communicated in it was

[00:14:36] very similar to the way that he had been communicating previously. Like he, you know,

[00:14:40] he, last time we saw him really being like, you know, Genevieve and the percentages and blah, blah,

[00:14:46] blah. And like, I think he really like, uh, you know, embodied that same version of him when he

[00:14:50] was describing the votes vote slip, which made it, um, more possible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do.

[00:14:57] And that's, what's going to be difficult for me to rank. Who's most at fault. I mean,

[00:15:02] I think we could probably start at teeny, but, um, but I do, I know. And I, and I love teeny so much,

[00:15:07] but for me, we didn't actually see the conversations of how Andy casually got himself

[00:15:12] until the primary of the split vote. And that is the key to me. That is the blame because I,

[00:15:17] first I started, I'm like, that's unknowable. Like that's really hard. And then I thought about it.

[00:15:22] And I thought, I think I'm getting a little bit more critical of this because firstly,

[00:15:26] I'm calling it the Andy principle or future survivor players say it from the beginning of the game.

[00:15:30] It's not personal. If you are the one leading the split, if you are the most insistent of the split,

[00:15:34] you're on the second of the split. It's not personal. It's not that I don't trust you. I

[00:15:39] don't trust that as an action that could have an agenda. And I think that that's so important,

[00:15:44] but even beyond that, let's look at Andy. Let's look at the rap sheet of someone who might

[00:15:47] be a bad person to like put your entire game on from a numerical perspective when you don't need to,

[00:15:53] and it actually shouldn't matter. That's why people try and make the split permutation so casual

[00:15:57] we'll do a gender. We'll do it, you know, alphabetical, whatever, because it shouldn't

[00:16:01] matter. But like, obviously it can matter a lot and people don't want to offend people. So I think

[00:16:04] just be like the person who's the most insistent will always be on the second of the split. But

[00:16:09] beyond that, Andy, Andy is someone who on the mat on day two said he would throw his number one under

[00:16:16] the bus. That's probably where I start with Andy. Secondly, he has motive. Last week, I said that

[00:16:23] the five are incentivized to march through to the end because I thought pathways for Teenie, Caroline

[00:16:27] and Rachel. And I said, Sue and Andy are not incentivized because they would go to the end

[00:16:31] as goats and they won't get any votes. But I underestimated that I thought Andy wouldn't know

[00:16:36] to do that. But he did have the motive. He and Sue of anyone to flip on this group right now had the

[00:16:41] motive. Thirdly, he's on the reward. So he's in the place. And even worse than that, they're back from

[00:16:47] the reward saying, I think they're trying to flip Andy. And then they're like, well, they probably

[00:16:51] won't. But if they do, he needs another number. So to let it go to that point where he has the

[00:16:56] motive, the character from from the mat, we know, you know, someone who is there with them that you're

[00:17:02] worried about. I'm getting more and more critical that anyone else could have been on the primary.

[00:17:07] If you're Carolina, you hear your name, which I want to talk about. You know, you can trust Sue,

[00:17:12] you know, like Teenie's definitely not working with them. That would be more than an Oscar worthy

[00:17:15] performance. So Rachel had been the target. They're all good options except Andy. And I don't know

[00:17:20] how this happened that I think it's so impressive. I think it's the most impressive part of the move,

[00:17:24] but that's where I lay the blame sitting. Yep. Yep. Okay. So right. So Andy crushed that and the,

[00:17:30] the, they should have. Okay. We can talk about Teenie, but let's come back to Teenie. I feel like

[00:17:34] Caroline is in, I feel like, okay, Caroline and Rachel, let's take them for a sec. I feel this is

[00:17:42] again, a completely unknowable. I feel that if Rachel had not won immunity and it had been her,

[00:17:49] she might have the spidey senses would have been higher and this plan might not have happened.

[00:17:56] Like, I do think there was enough feel like there was a general, like it's a little too quiet,

[00:18:02] which Rachel, like Rachel has been someone who's been blindsided in this game before.

[00:18:06] And I think that really has served her as the game got, went forward that she's able to deduce

[00:18:10] these things. She was the one that was like, let's just put one, like she kind of knew,

[00:18:15] but obviously she was safe and she didn't fight it. And I, and, and Caroline, unfortunately,

[00:18:21] I think is a, was a little too flexible. She was like last week we saw also, she really preferred

[00:18:26] Jennifer needs to go, but she wanted to do what Sue wanted that I, you know, Andy comes in hot with

[00:18:32] let's do the vote split. I think Caroline is a really nice, awesome person and probably was extremely

[00:18:37] focused on the good vibes in the group and kind of was like, okay, Andy, sure. Well,

[00:18:43] great plan Andy. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, and then Sue was like, Caroline, if it's,

[00:18:50] if it's you, I'm going to play my idol for you. And Caroline's like calming herself is being calm,

[00:18:56] you know? And I think sometimes, sometimes we are critical of the hyper paranoid player,

[00:19:00] but at the end of the day, survivor is a game where you need to be hyper paranoid. And, uh,

[00:19:05] unfortunately she did know that this was a potential risk. They thought the only thing that could happen

[00:19:10] is that, you know, Jenna beats the idol, then, then I'm sure Sue would have played the idol on her.

[00:19:14] But, uh, you know, I think if it's me and my ally is offering to play the idol on me,

[00:19:19] I would hope that I would be like, yeah, let's do that. I'm freaked out. You know, like, even though

[00:19:24] it's hard because that would be, you know, we, if, if, if the vote split, it had gone on as it was

[00:19:29] supposed to from their perspective and Sue burns the idol, we would all be like, that was so stupid

[00:19:33] of them. They should have just trusted in their plan. So it's survivors are really hard game,

[00:19:37] but I do think, uh, you know, a little too nice, a little too nice, Caroline.

[00:19:43] Yeah. I mean, look, playing the idols, as you said, it would be on a bounce back. That's a lot

[00:19:47] to give when you have a five to two majority, it should be okay. I can't blame that. And then,

[00:19:52] yeah, I mean, Rachel's looking at it from like a four one split in case they have Sam. I think

[00:19:56] that's a little bit, not, not risky. I mean, it's, I mean, I guess it is a small split. It's not the

[00:20:02] same as loading up, which was another plan that she had because maybe Sam isn't with Genevieve,

[00:20:06] but you would think if she has an idol and they've been working together, he would capitalize

[00:20:09] on that on a two person split. I'm loading up. It made sense because they can split. And if

[00:20:14] Genevieve knows that, like she's going to protect herself or she will go home. Um, that's the beauty

[00:20:20] of the split. So you would think that it makes sense, but it also just makes sense to split.

[00:20:24] Um, if anything, just voting for Sam, the one issue is like, maybe Genevieve gets so ballsy and

[00:20:29] doesn't play this fictitious idol that she gets to keep it. So the split is perfect and definitely

[00:20:33] flushing the idol. She goes home either way that the idol quote unquote,

[00:20:35] it's out of the game. And Sam goes, the split just makes sense. I understand what Rachel's

[00:20:39] saying, but I don't think you need to do a five zero or a four one. The three, two is the optimal

[00:20:43] split. I really feel confident in saying that, but not with Andy on the three. So Rachel's trying

[00:20:49] to change something and she's reading that maybe people, maybe people just didn't want to offend

[00:20:53] Andy when he says it. That's what my, that's what made my biggest thing. Oh, by the way,

[00:21:01] I listened to your last week. I don't think that those people didn't go on the boat because

[00:21:04] they were being polite. I think they didn't want to put a threat and they were just saying,

[00:21:07] I went, I went on two journeys and that's why it just, I don't think anyone was actually being

[00:21:11] that's, that is true. But also for Carl, that's crazy. And Carl's out of the game. So this is

[00:21:15] criticizing. Um, but for everyone, and for everyone else, they had a five, three majority.

[00:21:21] They could have afforded to lose their boat. I noticed what that was. Well, I went back and

[00:21:25] watched that I'd missed. It said it gave them a bag of rocks. Usually it's like just someone get on

[00:21:30] the boat, but this time was like, if you can't decide pick rocks, like it couldn't have been easier

[00:21:34] to pick rocks. And they still didn't. And they sent Carl home who didn't even care to put his hand

[00:21:39] in a bag and they kept Genevieve and now Genevieve did this. And I want to discuss that, the Genevieve

[00:21:43] versus Carl of it all. Okay. So you think, so you think Rachel by being protected isn't as much to

[00:21:48] blame. Caroline. I guess I just mean, yeah. So I think, I think probably, well, I think she's a,

[00:21:55] no, I actually think she might. Okay. Let's, okay. Let's say them all out and then we'll do the

[00:22:01] ranking. Okay. So we've, so, well, I guess my point is I think that Rachel was a little bit onto it and

[00:22:06] that the main point I want to say is I think if she had been on the line, that level of fear would

[00:22:11] have potentially sparked something, something happening. Caroline should be more hypervigilant as

[00:22:17] having more to lose. Yeah. And has Caroline really been blindsided in that way? I mean, I don't,

[00:22:24] I can't recall, but no, I, yeah, I really think having, and I, Nick talked about this, uh, last

[00:22:30] week. I do think like suffering in the game and knowing that the plan could go wrong is useful.

[00:22:36] Like if, if you survive that, yeah. Yeah. What'd you say? Yeah. They were scared though. Right. But not

[00:22:42] scared, but like scared with the, the, the optimism, not scared with the, oh shit, it can actually happen

[00:22:47] to you. And, uh, I think you need some of that, a little bit more of that. Oh shit, this could

[00:22:52] actually happen to you. Uh, Caroline was missing that gear a tiny bit, but we're not even asking

[00:22:57] them to expend an idol on the bounce back. Sure. But like, then that would, I think maybe you speak

[00:23:02] for itself or at that point you split. So maybe you don't, you probably don't play the idol at that

[00:23:06] point. You have a different decision around did the split work. And honestly, there is actually no

[00:23:11] point. I'm thinking it through now of playing an idol because if someone flips your out, oh no,

[00:23:15] well, then you could have just played the idol. So it should, the idol, sorry. Now I'm thinking

[00:23:20] the idol play that like Sue's idol play on Caroline should never be based on a bounce back because

[00:23:25] either you split in which case it's, you've, you've achieved your purpose or, um, in which

[00:23:32] case you need it without Genevieve playing an idol. Right. Unless I guess Genevieve played

[00:23:36] the idol for Sam and they put the dominant votes on Sam and then you play that. But then Genevieve

[00:23:41] goes, right? Uh, who, like whoever, like which of the two has the idol. Yeah, yeah, you're right.

[00:23:46] You're right. So it's just, it's just a question of who flipped and that question becomes put the

[00:23:51] people you trust the most on the primary. You're only trying to be technically two and then maybe

[00:23:55] three people. Like you can do it. Right. Which by the way, also just to say not, not sure why Sam

[00:24:02] told them that they were going to play out on. Oh, I do actually thought often this happens in my

[00:24:06] notes where I'm like, that was crazy. And I come in angry. And then I'm like, to be fair,

[00:24:10] who else was he going to say? Can't say Rachel, Sue over Caroline is not believable as the pair,

[00:24:15] if it makes sense. And, um, and he has a different role. He needs a conduit.

[00:24:20] Why not just say I'm voting for Genevieve and she's voting for me?

[00:24:24] Because then the idol's not scary. That makes it splittable. Like now you don't need,

[00:24:29] like now you're like, okay, well, it's fine because we can load up on Sam.

[00:24:33] Right. I see. I see. I see. I see. Okay.

[00:24:35] So you need to have that. So actually I'm okay with Sam. I still don't back the reward choice

[00:24:40] choices, which we can talk about, but okay. So for me personally, I'm like a tie on everyone

[00:24:46] because I think who I didn't see the conversation about how he became the primary. And that to me

[00:24:49] is massive, but not teeny. Yeah. Um, and then for teeny let's talk about it. Cause I tweeted,

[00:24:55] it was a similar kind of scene to me. People have compared Genevieve to poverty. It was a poverty

[00:24:59] Amanda scene in the woods and the famous heroes versus villains merge because, because, and I'll

[00:25:05] go back to another kind of heroes versus villains vote. Um, what Genevieve is doing doesn't make

[00:25:10] sense if she has an idol. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Because, because if Genevieve actually

[00:25:15] has an idol that she wants to use, if they can't split the vote, then it becomes, Hey,

[00:25:20] I have an idol. And Hayley Leak once did this. Scissors, paper rock, me or Sam are playing it.

[00:25:25] Do one of you want to go to the scissors, paper rock, or do you want to switch and crack

[00:25:29] and all, and we can decide who goes home and you won't come down to the idol. And that benefits all

[00:25:33] of us, but considering they can split Genevieve with an idol, she hope they load up on her and

[00:25:38] that she can bounce it back. The worst case scenario is telling them, giving them an information advantage

[00:25:42] so that they can split the vote, flush your idol and send out your shield. So someone wouldn't do

[00:25:46] that. I feel like teeny emotions were used against them because they so wanted it to be true because

[00:25:51] they wanted to be able to do what the others wanted, which was vote for Genevieve and have the idol

[00:25:55] go and Sam still go. And worse, he sat on that to kind of not rope the boat that they so badly,

[00:26:01] clearly wanted and now have to individually wear because they didn't even give the chance for anyone

[00:26:05] else to say that doesn't make logical sense. It would have made more sense for Genevieve to do

[00:26:10] Rupert's rock in the pocket. Like, Oh no, I have an idol, but I don't want you to think I have an idol,

[00:26:14] but Oh, did you see that? I have an idol, you know, trying to make it look like you don't want

[00:26:17] them to know because God forbid, you know that I'm going to use this and I'd allow one of you.

[00:26:22] Yeah. That's bad for me. That actually would make sense. So teeny was reading what Genevieve,

[00:26:28] if Genevieve had an idol, she would never do what she did to trap teeny heel.

[00:26:33] Yeah. Well, I think, uh, well, I would want to start by saying that I fucking love teeny and

[00:26:38] I'm obsessed with there being another gender queer person on the show. And I just love everything

[00:26:42] about them as a human. And I just really want to say that off the bat. And yeah, that just was so bad.

[00:26:48] It's just like, also, also it's like, um, I, well, I feel like teeny, teeny is a very likable

[00:26:55] person and, and has not adapted to that. People are going to lie to you in survivor. And I think that

[00:27:02] like, like, you know, like, and the, and that, and that people are not going to constantly give them a

[00:27:07] million chances. Like why would Sam, but like, like Sam and Genevieve, like you, you had a terrible

[00:27:13] conversation with Genevieve and why would Genevieve is not going to tell you the real plan.

[00:27:18] Yeah. Like if teeny had in that conversation played along and pretended that they were with

[00:27:25] Genevieve, then maybe you can a little bit believe that dynamic a little bit more, but given all the

[00:27:31] signals that teeny is sending of, I hate the bottom people and I'm mad at them and they're mean. And

[00:27:38] why would they tell you the plan? Also, I didn't even notice this when I first in first place was

[00:27:43] Sam still there when Genevieve was like, yeah, load up the votes on me at the beginning. Yeah.

[00:27:50] Because that also makes absolutely no sense because the consequence of that presumably would be Sam

[00:27:55] going home and why would Genevieve. Sam was a martyr in this fake plan. Sam, even like Genevieve,

[00:28:00] play it. What he's asking her in their, in their lives. Yeah. It's like Genevieve, play it. I'll go

[00:28:05] home. Like he was a martyr through and through in the life that they were telling him. Which makes no

[00:28:10] sense at all. And yeah, that is true. So Sam is there when Genevieve literally says, oh, great.

[00:28:16] Play it on me. Right. Yes. And then that'll be fine. Yeah. Then that would just be a split.

[00:28:23] There's no Andy to solve the issue in this timeline. Right. That ain't great.

[00:28:27] Which is like totally absurd. I think Sam was there. I'd have to fact check that episode was out 20 minutes ago.

[00:28:32] I just wish Teenie had told one person because I do feel like that would have raised the alarm.

[00:28:40] Yeah. It's like how you think like, wow, so we had made it through like someone would have been like

[00:28:44] to the heroes. Like this doesn't make sense. Like who was the person who would have said to Teenie?

[00:28:47] Like they want you to think that look how happy you are. They're giving the information that you want.

[00:28:52] You want. Yeah. But that's that is not right. So that's really bad for Teenie. And I am

[00:28:57] getting concerned because as you said, Andy stock rises, Teenie stock falls. I think if Teenie sits

[00:29:02] next to Andy and Sue, Teenie could still win from a likability perspective on the jury. And I will

[00:29:08] hate to have to be not upset about that because I love Teenie, but from a game perspective,

[00:29:13] I mean, you can't compare. Teenie is getting to the point now where Teenie's had so many losses.

[00:29:17] Like every time they get a foothold, it's, you know, power at Lavo, Asia Void into Kishon going.

[00:29:24] It's coming back to kind of having powers, these Lavo swings to Seoul going and obviously coming

[00:29:29] through as the underdogs to now Teenie is getting into that Jake Owen spot. And compared to Andy,

[00:29:34] I want to say about Andy of all the six people left in the game. And he's been, I guess, other than the

[00:29:39] John vote, which obviously did not go to plan the way that, you know, that whole round was a wash.

[00:29:43] But other than that, Andy has been meaningfully in the majority in like a, in like an important way

[00:29:50] of every vote. You cannot say that for anyone else in the game. There have been pile on votes.

[00:29:55] So the stats don't necessarily look like that, but look at, you know, look at, look at Genevieve,

[00:30:00] who's been fighting for her life after clearly the soul boot was a misstep. Sam has been left out

[00:30:05] multiple times. Teenie as it, as it, you know, I've explained, um, Sue with Gabe, who else is there?

[00:30:12] And Rachel, Rachel's been, um, yeah, Rachel's still going to win, but Rachel has been left

[00:30:16] down. You know, this year, but here obviously Sue as well. So it's, it's not, it's not a game

[00:30:22] that she can speak to. It is a game about relationships, Sierra, soul, people on the jury

[00:30:28] who really like Teenie and that's currently where they stand. I think.

[00:30:32] Yeah. I, I, yeah, I have to, unfortunately again, as a person that really likes Teenie,

[00:30:37] I w I even wonder if the likability is going down from the behavior in this round. I mean,

[00:30:44] like, like not just like the, the, I mean, they were obviously super upset about the reward.

[00:30:50] That's one thing, but the tribal council, like they were at peak. I'm in the majority and what I

[00:30:56] want to happen is going to happen. Pecking order. Pecking order. And then to be that arrogant.

[00:31:03] And it also didn't happen. It's really very young. He's what the youngest person on this cast.

[00:31:10] Yeah. Maybe we see some of that, some of that emotionality. And I have to ask,

[00:31:14] what did Sam do to Teenie? Like what it like, I'm just like thinking through,

[00:31:18] because like Genevieve's soul that speaks for itself. And like, there's still really some feelings.

[00:31:22] Yeah. And he shot. Okay. The Genevieve thing. That's fair. I get that. But Sam,

[00:31:26] they merged together. They vote out Rome. They're actually, they actually are in a group together.

[00:31:30] And then Teenie is campaigning for Sam to go and then blindside Sam and Sierra goes home.

[00:31:34] Then they're both out on the soul vote. Then they come together to do the game vote. Then Teenie flips

[00:31:40] again, votes out Kyle, putting Sam on the back foot. Sam who last week is like, Teenie please. And

[00:31:46] Teenie's like, no, like Sam is only to much what I've seen in my limited view, like been like reliant

[00:31:53] on Teenie and blindsided by Teenie. And it's like, then didn't take them on the reward here,

[00:31:57] which I do think was stupid, which we can talk about, but I like where, like, where's this

[00:32:01] coming from with Sam? Like, it doesn't feel earned. Yeah. I mean, I obviously don't know the

[00:32:06] full extent of other encounters, but I think, uh, you know, as you all were saying, there's,

[00:32:11] there's biases everyone's bringing into the game. And I think Teenie even said it,

[00:32:15] like having like Captain America guy around pisses them off. And I, you know, I, I certainly can relate

[00:32:21] to that to some degree. And, uh, you know, I think, uh, it's an emotional game and they're,

[00:32:28] you know, the emotions are high. And if you are predisposed maybe to, you know, who knows,

[00:32:34] why does Sue hate Kyle so much? You know, I criticize that. Like, I thought that that was,

[00:32:39] you know, and I think there was probably more of the dynamic, like there's all these dynamics at the

[00:32:43] end of the day, they're living together 24 seven. And that's most of it. But from what we've seen,

[00:32:46] it does feel like Sam every week tries with Teenie sales. And now like Teenie is just so out on

[00:32:53] stuff beyond Genevieve, like really wanted Sam like emotionally. So I think before Genevieve,

[00:32:59] so I think that that is really, really tough. Um, I do want to say like, this is what I love about

[00:33:03] vote splits. Like we have not solved them and we never will. There are people who say never split,

[00:33:07] always split. We've seen people doomed on either side of the aisle. Um, here I even think they should have

[00:33:12] split and they just split it wrong, you know, and it's so hard. Um, and it's so circumstantial.

[00:33:17] I sat here in this exact seat one year ago with Omar at the final seven of 45 on the post game show,

[00:33:23] talking about how Emily went in a seven to one vote and how do you not all split? Yeah. And that again,

[00:33:28] it's just on read and reading what people are going to do and reacting to it. Um, and here,

[00:33:33] I just think they put it on the wrong side, but I find it really thrilling and exhilarating that

[00:33:38] someone could take advantage of that because yeah, that is, that's brutal.

[00:33:42] It's so fun. I mean, it's the best game, but it's, it's brutal. It is indeed brutal. It is indeed.

[00:33:47] Yeah. Okay. Can I see? Oh, sorry. I've got so many questions, but you go.

[00:33:51] Well, this is somewhat of a side point. So you could tell me, okay. For the, for the, I still am not over.

[00:33:59] Okay. So I said, I said this to you before we started, I watched a lot of this season very

[00:34:02] recently. I wasn't caught up. I'm also very not into, not aware so much of what most of the

[00:34:07] conversations been. Although I watched, I listened to some of the last week's stuff.

[00:34:10] People have been saying that Kyle's wins had an asterisk. People were saying that,

[00:34:15] but that was a lot of the conversation was around because, because one of them, okay.

[00:34:19] I look, it's in the part. I'm just saying that that's a lot of,

[00:34:22] that's a lot of the conversation. Um, people are too polite with the journeys has been a big one.

[00:34:27] People, these have been broad conversations. Okay. Yeah.

[00:34:31] What was, is the deal with Genevieve's pre-merge edit? Like, did we ever,

[00:34:37] the thing that I'm like, why did we, like, especially that we keep returning to Keyshawn,

[00:34:44] like how many times, like, like, you know what I mean?

[00:34:45] Make a drink every time Keyshawn is mentioned. Like he's the main character. Still.

[00:34:50] Did we ever see?

[00:34:51] Keyshawn has had possibly more content after he left than before.

[00:34:54] Right?

[00:34:55] Possibly.

[00:34:55] Yeah.

[00:34:55] Did we ever see a literal conversation between Genevieve and Rome, which is also like part of

[00:35:01] her core motivation of why she like took out Saul is because he took out Rome.

[00:35:06] Rome. I feel like I cannot picture those two people talking to each other.

[00:35:10] Rome and Genevieve.

[00:35:11] I think at the very first episode, there was a brief, like,

[00:35:12] we definitely heard that they liked each other in the first episode.

[00:35:14] We heard that they liked each other, but did we ever see?

[00:35:16] A long time ago for me, Evie.

[00:35:18] Did we see a single conversation? I don't know. It just weirds me out.

[00:35:21] And I hate when stuff like that happens because it makes me think that there's no way that Genevieve

[00:35:24] can win. On the other hand, Erica won season 41.

[00:35:27] So these-

[00:35:27] I mean, that should be an exception, not the rule. Like if I'm going by that,

[00:35:31] like if Genevieve wins, it is already such an insulting edit. If anything,

[00:35:34] I think they should bring Genevieve back onto other seasons to narrate the pre-tribal

[00:35:37] segment because she always does and it's always great. So from a character perspective,

[00:35:41] it makes no sense for the person she's been in the game. It's crazy. If she won,

[00:35:46] it could only be that they were trying to bury her sparkliness. It's too obvious,

[00:35:50] but it wasn't even like a, the person she'd been compared to like Kim Spradlin,

[00:35:54] like all the way dominant win, like she's going to face some struggles.

[00:35:57] So there's no excuse for it anyway, especially if she wins and it pulls her out of winning contention

[00:36:03] for me. And now I'm annoyed because in the last couple of weeks, I was like, well,

[00:36:07] at least she's like probably on the way out the door. But now I'm like, okay, there's some runway.

[00:36:12] Like she, if Sam goes next, she's making it to the final five.

[00:36:15] Right.

[00:36:15] You know what? Final five edit the person who, but it's not even now the beginning of the finale.

[00:36:21] I don't know if they knew that, but now it's like the two parts,

[00:36:25] the first part of the two part finale. But yeah, to me, it rules her out of winning contention.

[00:36:29] And I think now there's runway in the game. I do think that she and Sam should be in trouble,

[00:36:33] but for me, her edit rules are out and it's, it's just, it's not justifiable.

[00:36:38] Yeah. But who knows? The edits are confused.

[00:36:40] Gabe LaRona, Erica won. There are surprise winners in this. Let's leave it open.

[00:36:45] I'm never ever surprised by the winner. Don't, don't ever, ever.

[00:36:49] I'm never wrong either.

[00:36:49] Oh yeah. Totally. Totally.

[00:36:51] I actually am wrong. And people on Twitter today, and also on blue sky, also on blue sky.

[00:36:56] Wow. People on blue sky were telling me I was wrong. I was like,

[00:36:58] have we already gotten there? This was an oasis for one full week.

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[00:38:41] I want to talk about it because last week I did say, you know, the new, the modern game,

[00:38:47] even before the new era, new era is somewhat not broken, but just more homogenous that a five can

[00:38:53] come together and well four usually, but Rachel had an idol and she was at the top and run it down from

[00:38:58] like eight, seven, maybe nine at that point. And all be somewhat incentivized to that. I said Andy and

[00:39:07] Sue weren't, but I didn't think that they would flip on it. Um, and there's, you know, to go to a

[00:39:13] final two is like a beautiful, delicate, difficult game where people will still be grappling with it

[00:39:17] at the final four of who they eat, you know, who even gets to the final three to have like a better

[00:39:21] shot of winning the challenge. And that's why we've had two on ones in global survivor. Um,

[00:39:25] and it's like really, really tricky. And you always have to think through kind of those options of like,

[00:39:29] who will you sit next to you, but who will take you in this like key final three challenge.

[00:39:33] I still believe that it is more homogenous, but I do want to like me a culprit for me because I was

[00:39:37] like, the game is the game's like not flawed, but like it is homogenous, which I stand by,

[00:39:43] but I did the annoying thing. Cause I've seen it happen before where people are like, well,

[00:39:46] it's just going to be a steamroll and then it's not. And like, I'm sure the players were like,

[00:39:50] just wait. And I'm going to put my hand up for that. And I underestimated Andy. Like,

[00:39:54] I think a lot of people have, because I just didn't think he would take that incentive

[00:39:59] to whip as I really thought he should exactly in a three, two, two, exactly individually,

[00:40:04] perfectly like this. And I didn't think he would or could, and it was hard and impressive, but

[00:40:09] I should have maybe, I should have known that Andy had better awareness than that. So I,

[00:40:13] I didn't think that he would, he would take that incentive. Yeah. Listen, I mean,

[00:40:18] I hear what you're saying. I think, I mean, obviously this cast, uh, disproved you a little bit.

[00:40:23] I mean, I think obviously there's always going to be the it's in some sense, I guess what you're

[00:40:29] saying is that it shifts it up because like, in, in, in some sense, it's always, what is the group?

[00:40:34] And am I in the, the top of the group? And am I in the right group that, you know,

[00:40:38] am I in the right spot in the group that the group gets to the end is always the thing.

[00:40:41] And you're saying it's like pretty much five is basically the magic number to five.

[00:40:45] It could be up to five. And what is usually two. I think in this particular season, I mean,

[00:40:52] I, I, I mean, I think it's, again, I think it's, I think it's a great cast. I think something that

[00:40:57] I've been feeling throughout this whole season is that it's, it's even though we're talking about

[00:41:01] like the underdogs and not, I think it's been a pretty even season. Like even the people that we

[00:41:06] think it was like Rachel, she was amazing. She also got blindsided by Sam. Like, I feel like

[00:41:11] there's been a lot of people playing really well. And as I, as I, I'm sure it's been talked about

[00:41:16] pretty similar, like very, this is the thing to do. And the, but they voted out a lot of the

[00:41:23] wild card characters in this season. Whereas I feel like in season in survivor 46, the wild card

[00:41:28] people made it really far in the game, which still produced a somewhat homogenous route, like style of

[00:41:34] threats, threats, threats. But like, I don't know. I I'm just like interested in, I'm like Andy, Andy,

[00:41:40] Andy's journey is by far the most interesting. And he proved it again tonight. He really flipped the

[00:41:45] whole game. I'm just like interested in thinking about the version of the season where like TK and

[00:41:51] Rome and Tiana are like here and like does it's a totally different thing. Like these particular

[00:41:57] group of people are all kind of, are largely acting similarly. You know what I mean?

[00:42:02] Well, a couple of things on that. Yeah. I mean, like, firstly, the beauty of survival will always be

[00:42:06] that it is a game that most of the time requires people to get you through, but only one of you can

[00:42:11] win. Like the conflict of that is why it will always be the best game. I just think that this

[00:42:15] structure gives a few more outs on like, okay, well, none of the three of us know who would win

[00:42:20] if it wasn't as clear from a goat perspective, you know, which can never happen in like a final two,

[00:42:25] because three people can't even get to the end as an example. But I will say that when they're

[00:42:31] really like when this cast is fully AI optimized, which at this point they are, they know even that

[00:42:36] perception. And it's so hard to know when you're like drawing dead. I mean, good on Andy for even

[00:42:40] being able to recognize that, which is really difficult to do, I think in the game. And I think

[00:42:45] Marianne was good about like knowing her perception and knowing when she had to really put herself out

[00:42:49] there to have the jury credit her. And I think that, that, you know, there's been a lot of negative

[00:42:54] things, not by me, but people have said in the last week, no super fans, you know, because they're

[00:42:58] doing the optimal thing and that makes it boring. But this is the other side of that. I said,

[00:43:02] you know, make it able to be optimal with players who play optimally, but also make that optimality,

[00:43:06] if that's a word difficult. And I thought that it's fun to watch fans do that. And this is the

[00:43:12] other side of the coin of people's complaints, which is, well, they're going to find the move

[00:43:16] and well, they do the exciting thing and think of the three, two, two, but even then against it,

[00:43:20] it's like, but should we split that way? And like, they're all thinking of ways to counter it.

[00:43:24] And they all were having like, you know, well, while they screwed it up on the side of the split,

[00:43:29] they all were having these like intelligent thoughts about it. I think we see that at its best,

[00:43:33] but definitely of the cast that's left, you know, everyone has had gaps, as I said, you know,

[00:43:37] except Andy, who's been the most kind of in the numbers in a real way. Andy though is Andy,

[00:43:43] like in some ways it was easier to play that way in many ways, because the perception is it's fine.

[00:43:47] I can beat you. So I want to play with you. So they all have things that they have to,

[00:43:51] to speak to. And that's fine because it makes it maybe not from an edit perspective,

[00:43:55] from a game perspective, it makes it really even. Yeah. I feel like that the part, the part I want,

[00:44:00] I mean, I like you, like we've been saying, I think Andy is, he did, he did the best thing he

[00:44:05] could possibly do. You totally convinced me of that. I think I do. I'm still not a hundred percent

[00:44:11] sure his perception is he's as like, I don't know. I don't know what he's thinking in his brain,

[00:44:16] but I think stuff. He did. He had a whole flashback and he was like, I know, I know,

[00:44:21] but you know, like, I know, but it's all, I think in his mind, it's very like the beginning was really

[00:44:28] bad, but now I'm really good. And, and like stuff, like not getting any money for the auction one,

[00:44:36] because he was probably like kind of panicking and couldn't find the thing. Like, I think that

[00:44:40] is still there. You know, like, I don't think people want to lose to Andy, but I do. I,

[00:44:45] I, I agreed that the Sue teeny vote, like, I, I mean, it would be, it would be,

[00:44:51] it'll be such a crazy journey if, if Andy wins, I, that's by far the most interesting.

[00:44:56] From a game perspective, from a game perspective, whatever, I want to credit the difficult road

[00:45:03] that older women have, which they never will ensue fine. But from a game perspective,

[00:45:07] Andy will be far in a way. Certainly. Andy has been doing little things. Well, this whole time,

[00:45:12] you know, like bringing in the right relationships. Um, I was just always really worried about the

[00:45:16] perception, which played out to be correct, but then he knew that and he flipped it. And I think

[00:45:20] that's so, um, cool and good, but let's talk about the other two in operation. It is really working.

[00:45:27] Um, yeah. I mean, Sam, let's talk about Sam first, Sam. I was not high on these reward choices. Can we start with that?

[00:45:35] What do you think?

[00:45:36] I mean, results oriented.

[00:45:38] No, not results oriented. You can't, this was unforeseeable that Andy would come and say, I'm doing a three, two, two.

[00:45:43] Okay. But I actually, okay. I actually, I thought about it also before knowing the outcome. And I, I, I think there's like some decent merit.

[00:45:50] Like I'd say probably the thing that is the most, like, what's the biggest critique is bringing Genevieve.

[00:45:57] Because I'll say I, I would be really fucking afraid to leave Genevieve back at camp with the majority.

[00:46:07] That would scare me so much to like, like, we know what Genevieve can do, especially if it's like going to like, I don't know.

[00:46:14] I just, that to me, I'm like, if Genevieve was alone with them, I don't know what, like, I think Sam probably is going home.

[00:46:19] Like, you know, like, like, and so I actually think, I don't think this is why he did it necessarily, but I think actually he needed to keep Genevieve with him.

[00:46:30] Yeah. That's interesting because the threats have been in this, like, I mean, we've seen the relationship between Sam and Genevieve a little bit before as well, but the threats in the last couple of weeks since last week have been in this like unholy alliance of like we work for each other.

[00:46:42] Like clearly they're rooting for each other. Like if one of us goes, you take it, but also they are each other's main competitor.

[00:46:47] It's really upsetting. Like even Carl last week, you know, like he, like I was like, well, you know, it's upsetting if like Genevieve goes on the journey and now you're like the prime option, but also best case scenario, she gets something and you work it together.

[00:46:59] Like there was always that duality. And I feel like Sam has to wear that, but like then, like, but then it works on all angles where you've brought Genevieve for the reason he said to kind of like refuel her with like love and pasta.

[00:47:12] And like, she's now your main challenge competitor. Like I thought about that. Um, and then, you know, but then leaving her back with, you know, to search for idols and possibly have influence is concerning, but then also she's like your main ally.

[00:47:24] So like, she can also keep an eye on it. So yeah, I think, I think all that stuff might cancel each other out. But the thing that tips it over for me is like, surely you want to bring across like Andy.

[00:47:33] And then like maybe teeny to try, like, let's get out soon Caroline or maybe Sue to try and get out like a Rachel. Like I just think on the pool power, like Genevieve will be your, your main threat and your main ally.

[00:47:46] And you have to wear all of those things in taking her or not, but to pull someone across Genevieve is a wasted space.

[00:47:52] Yeah. I hear that. Okay. Here's some, here's some, uh, some more, some continuing defense defensive.

[00:47:58] Love it. Love it.

[00:47:59] Okay. Like if you have two people that are, you're trying, if you bring Andy and teeny now they are like, yes, checking each other, you know what I mean? And like, and accountable to each other.

[00:48:11] Like they both have to want to flip now or the other one's going to call, call each other out. You don't get the momentum of like the thing teeny.

[00:48:19] I think teeny would have been the worst person to pick because they've been so clear that they don't want to flip.

[00:48:25] And so like, I mean, maybe Caroline was emotionally reacting, but teeny was like that earlier in the day with like conversations with Genevieve.

[00:48:33] Like, you know what I mean? Like teeny previously was like, no, I will not like, like, I feel like if we, from, if, if teeny was acting the way that we saw teeny acting consistently, then I feel like there was not a lot of hope of bringing them.

[00:48:45] And nothing has to console.

[00:48:48] Sure. But having them as a watchful eye, like have, I really do think having that, like, I think we saw, we've seen this before where it's like, what, where, you know, you're, you, you, you isolated the one person and now they're in like this, their own thing.

[00:49:03] Like, I actually think there was a lot of merit of like, this is a group.

[00:49:08] You know what I mean?

[00:49:09] I think Caroline, maybe, maybe you can, Caroline would have maybe been into it.

[00:49:15] But again, it's like, which, if you have the two people, one of them needs to first be interested in the flip.

[00:49:22] And that's a much bigger risk to say with another person from the underdogs there, you know?

[00:49:28] But, counterpoint.

[00:49:30] Counterpoint.

[00:49:30] Who was Andy ever bringing over?

[00:49:32] And how could Sam ever foresee a 3-2-2?

[00:49:36] Like, if it's, if it's Sam's even remote idea, like, if he pulls over Andy and then suggests the 3-2-2, it's phenomenal, obviously.

[00:49:44] But Andy comes to him, I, to me, unprompted.

[00:49:47] And I don't even think, due to being there, like, I think what, what it gave them was time.

[00:49:52] I think Andy wants to do this anyway.

[00:49:54] I don't think Andy was like, he said he had the decision, well, he thought about it this morning, like, before the letters.

[00:49:59] I don't think that he was, he didn't have the narrative that he was, like, moved to do this or because Sam took him or anything.

[00:50:04] It's nice for the relationship, but it doesn't matter.

[00:50:06] Not to an AI-optimized player like Andy who is like, I will throw John Lovett under the bus on day two.

[00:50:11] So it's not about the relationship.

[00:50:12] It gave them time for a plan Sam could never possibly foresee.

[00:50:16] And I do think, who he took, results-oriented, I don't think that that mattered because I think Andy is doing this anyway.

[00:50:22] Possibly with less time, in more rushed conversations, and without a cool name.

[00:50:26] But I do think this is what Andy is trying to do.

[00:50:28] So I don't think it's based on what Sam did.

[00:50:30] And I think it worked out for him.

[00:50:33] Yeah, I think Sam could not have foreseen the full scope of what happened.

[00:50:38] But I think that Sam had an instinct that Andy was the most flippable, which he was correct about.

[00:50:44] And he's obviously-

[00:50:45] Do you think because of what he said on the mat about John Lovett?

[00:50:47] Like, do you think that-

[00:50:48] I think because he's worked with Sam.

[00:50:49] Yeah, he's worked with Andy.

[00:50:51] He's known Andy the whole game.

[00:50:52] Yeah, he's known Andy the whole game.

[00:50:54] He knows that Andy is a gamer, is a flippable person.

[00:50:58] Like, I think he picked the right person.

[00:51:01] I mean, and I think he knew that.

[00:51:03] I think he has a longstanding relationship with Andy.

[00:51:05] Zero questions on Andy first.

[00:51:06] Yeah.

[00:51:07] 100%.

[00:51:07] Okay.

[00:51:07] And then I think, I mean, you saw, I think the first thing that happened when Andy started talking was like,

[00:51:12] it's going to be impossible to flip someone else.

[00:51:14] And Sam was like, really?

[00:51:16] Damn.

[00:51:16] I think that Sam was probably hoping that Andy would have the intel of how to flip one of the other people.

[00:51:23] And I think that's a very legit plan.

[00:51:25] You know?

[00:51:25] That's better.

[00:51:26] You've convinced me now on something.

[00:51:28] This is fun.

[00:51:28] Keep trading it.

[00:51:29] Yeah.

[00:51:29] I think that Sam's best case scenario was like, we get Andy, we get Andy to flip someone.

[00:51:34] And instead, Andy had a better plan, which was really cool.

[00:51:38] Um, but, uh, I, I actually, I have to give Sam major props.

[00:51:42] I mean, he was definitely going to go home and he did win the reward that brought the group that ultimately resulted in saving him.

[00:51:50] And I, I think, I think, you know, like he didn't know every piece of that puzzle, but I think he really had the right instincts.

[00:51:56] Yeah.

[00:51:57] Fair enough.

[00:51:57] It was, it was kind of like that meme.

[00:51:59] That's like, take Andy on the reward, question mark, question mark, profit.

[00:52:02] Yeah, totally.

[00:52:03] Totally.

[00:52:04] But that was.

[00:52:05] Sometimes that's all you have, you know?

[00:52:07] It's like, that seems like the right person.

[00:52:09] I, I, I really.

[00:52:10] Andy was a hundred percent correct.

[00:52:11] He did do very well on that.

[00:52:13] But I do really think I'm having trouble picturing what the combination of two other people is.

[00:52:18] Yeah, that is true.

[00:52:18] That's a good point.

[00:52:18] You know what I mean?

[00:52:19] Maybe like you bring Sue and Caroline and then you're like, let's be a three to get like.

[00:52:25] Let's be a four with Genevieve.

[00:52:26] Yeah.

[00:52:26] Or something.

[00:52:27] You know what I mean?

[00:52:27] Like it, any other.

[00:52:29] No, I see that.

[00:52:30] Yeah.

[00:52:31] I think that's a really good point because I think that I often think about it.

[00:52:35] It's probably a blind spot for me where I'm thinking this person, this person maximize your

[00:52:39] opportunities.

[00:52:39] But it's like, you actually might minimize what that person can do based on the environment

[00:52:43] that you've put them in.

[00:52:44] Right.

[00:52:45] Exactly.

[00:52:45] That's very good point.

[00:52:46] This is like safe villain lair territory.

[00:52:48] Now you can act out your evil instincts.

[00:52:50] You know what I mean?

[00:52:51] Like.

[00:52:51] I love it.

[00:52:52] Yeah.

[00:52:52] I think this will change the way I view picking people for rewards because I think that I

[00:52:57] don't think about that enough.

[00:52:58] But then, and then, so, so Sam's power is in picking Andy and being, and his being a theater

[00:53:05] kid, which we love.

[00:53:07] Yes.

[00:53:07] As a theater kid.

[00:53:09] Love it.

[00:53:09] Yes.

[00:53:10] And the acting was great.

[00:53:11] And I think he did really well being like the person on the bottom who's like willing

[00:53:15] to do whatever, but like would prefer, like could be do something cool, but like, okay,

[00:53:20] if not, I'll just go with you.

[00:53:21] I think he did really well with that.

[00:53:22] As I said, I understand why he told Caroline her own name, which seemed crazy in the moment,

[00:53:25] but also is justifiable.

[00:53:27] And so I have a couple of questions on this.

[00:53:29] Yeah.

[00:53:30] I also just want to say that is, I just want to emphasize how good that is like to be

[00:53:35] active when you know, and I experienced this when Liana was trying to vote me out and

[00:53:40] we did the knowledge is power thing.

[00:53:41] When you know that someone is like lying to your face or like being, and you're still pretending

[00:53:47] the thing that is hard.

[00:53:49] And survivor is like emotional and intense.

[00:53:52] And you know that these people are planning on voting you're out.

[00:53:55] And they're like, don't worry, we're voting Genevieve.

[00:53:57] And you know, that's a lie.

[00:53:59] And you just have to be there and like, thank you, Rachel.

[00:54:01] Yeah.

[00:54:01] Okay.

[00:54:01] You're voting Genevieve.

[00:54:02] Okay.

[00:54:02] I believe you, Rachel.

[00:54:03] Like again, kudos.

[00:54:05] Yeah.

[00:54:06] Something ironically Andy did, I think to Rachel and Annika, like, thank you for saving me

[00:54:11] by giving me, well, what was the name that they have?

[00:54:13] Sam.

[00:54:13] Sam, but actually we're voting you out.

[00:54:16] Yes.

[00:54:16] Yes.

[00:54:17] Here's my, I've got so many questions.

[00:54:19] I've got so many thoughts about this episode.

[00:54:21] I'm so invigorated by Survivor.

[00:54:24] My first thing is who made the choice for Genevieve to be the idol holder, right?

[00:54:29] Like either Sam or Genevieve could have the idol.

[00:54:31] Actually, Sam gave his fake idol to Genevieve and there are risks and reward with that.

[00:54:34] Like the risk is that Genevieve took on kind of poverty style and the risk that she took

[00:54:38] on at the merge.

[00:54:39] The risk that it actually flipped her into being the primary target.

[00:54:41] If this doesn't work out, if they can't get Andy on the primary or like the three votes

[00:54:47] were going to be on Genevieve.

[00:54:48] So that was risky for her, but now she gets the reward and we'll talk about it if she

[00:54:53] can.

[00:54:54] And I, again, I think that Andy is going to flip on them and they can say like the idol

[00:54:57] was fake, but if she can, she is trying to be like, I think I'll be good anyway.

[00:55:02] I, um, you know, I, I kept my idol, which actually makes sense from a story perspective.

[00:55:07] If Andy doesn't rat them out big if, but I guess the thing is like, Oh, I try to get

[00:55:12] teeny across with the idol.

[00:55:13] It didn't work.

[00:55:13] And then I try to get Andy across and it did work.

[00:55:16] And now like, I didn't think I needed to use my idol.

[00:55:19] I was ballsy.

[00:55:19] I put my trust in Andy.

[00:55:20] I was right.

[00:55:21] And now I have an idol.

[00:55:22] But then also the story is Andy flipped to empower me with an idol.

[00:55:25] And that probably would have been actually a bad move.

[00:55:28] Yeah.

[00:55:28] I mean, maybe even not, because again, what is Andy doing through to the three to go to

[00:55:34] six?

[00:55:35] Maybe at that point he's like, well, I guess next time we'll split and take out Sam and

[00:55:38] then take out Genevieve at five.

[00:55:40] If we actually flush this idol.

[00:55:41] So maybe you can, you can, you know, show that incentive there.

[00:55:44] But I do think that the story makes sense.

[00:55:46] And Genevieve will try to play it.

[00:55:48] And now she owns it because she was the idol holder in the plan.

[00:55:52] Yeah, I do.

[00:55:53] I do feel like that secret is probably not going to last, but I, I think Andy's flipping

[00:55:58] tomorrow.

[00:55:58] So, yeah.

[00:55:59] But, okay.

[00:56:00] But it's like, I, this is the other, this is the other risk for Andy.

[00:56:03] It's just like, he, it's not, not in the same way where it's like now, oh, now Andy's

[00:56:08] number one threat.

[00:56:09] But now Andy is completely untrustworthy to everyone in the game.

[00:56:13] I mean, how do you.

[00:56:15] Now?

[00:56:16] I mean, only the second day.

[00:56:19] The second day.

[00:56:19] Yeah.

[00:56:20] But the second day.

[00:56:21] The second day.

[00:56:21] And held a whole cast.

[00:56:22] Then he would throw his best friend under the bus.

[00:56:24] Yeah.

[00:56:25] But people didn't see that as scary.

[00:56:27] They felt sad for him.

[00:56:28] Well, not that they should have.

[00:56:29] Well, yeah, actually, you know what?

[00:56:30] It seemed like a cry of help, but it was a threat.

[00:56:32] That's what happened.

[00:56:33] But people didn't.

[00:56:33] Yeah.

[00:56:34] People were like, not like afraid.

[00:56:36] I mean, you saw still later, Rachel and, and Anika got tricked by Andy, you know?

[00:56:41] And like, and, you know, I'm just, I just, he burned those people bad.

[00:56:46] And like, when you are at the victim of like a whole scheme, like, like, it's just like,

[00:56:51] why are those people wanting to trust the next thing he says?

[00:56:55] Like, I, I, I do.

[00:56:56] I'm not nervous that they're going to try to necessarily take him out from that perspective.

[00:57:00] But I, you know, there's going to be big consequences to that.

[00:57:03] Why should they trust him?

[00:57:05] Because he's an AI optimized survivor robot.

[00:57:07] And it's optimal for all of them to have a line interest to take out Genevieve and Sam now.

[00:57:12] And then Rachel, hopefully at four or in some order that three needs to go in the next two voting rounds and fire.

[00:57:18] And right now he was incentivized and optimized to turn.

[00:57:21] And then now he's incentivized to turn back.

[00:57:22] You can actually take that to the bank because that is his incentive.

[00:57:25] But it's like, but I guess it's also, I mean, that that's, uh, yeah, that's assuming like if,

[00:57:30] if you're Rachel, are you so confident that everyone thinks Genevieve is definitely so much higher up than you?

[00:57:37] Like, like, I mean, I guess she doesn't know that she was almost the plan, but now she's one, two immunities.

[00:57:41] I'm like that, that relies on being very confident in the, the, the, the, yeah, that's true.

[00:57:47] You know, does Rachel become, you know, can Rachel join the threat?

[00:57:52] Rachel's right.

[00:57:53] Rachel's now been burned, been tricked by Andy two times.

[00:57:56] And I think that's not great.

[00:57:58] I do not believe that she will get tricked by Andy three times.

[00:58:01] So, well, that's, that's a really, well, it's not even about being tricked.

[00:58:05] I don't think it's about being tricked by Andy.

[00:58:06] Like, I think that Rachel can like have faith that Andy will take up Genevieve and Sam next.

[00:58:13] I guess Rachel to the final four.

[00:58:14] Like that's the final four, the final four without Caroline, where Andy isn't fifth, which he was possibly going to be.

[00:58:20] And now I just, I want to just be back in the group.

[00:58:23] Now that it's a smaller group where I'm making it to fire and I have something on my resume.

[00:58:26] Like I took a brief little vacation, got what I needed out of this.

[00:58:29] And now I actually want to come back and I'm incentivized to, and that four, I will say it now,

[00:58:33] that four would be incentivized to run it down.

[00:58:35] Okay. At that time I'll say it, not Sue actually.

[00:58:37] Sue should still make a move.

[00:58:39] Yeah.

[00:58:39] But that four.

[00:58:40] So, I mean, I don't know from a relationship standpoint, if it's what you want to do,

[00:58:44] but I think it's what you, what you should do.

[00:58:47] And I think, you know, I think Genevieve and Sam,

[00:58:50] their threat level has always been a little bit higher than Rachel and they have now this win over her.

[00:58:54] So you have to be the primary targets for everyone else at this point,

[00:58:57] except Sue who has nothing to lose.

[00:58:59] So like maybe next week she does like a three, two, one, who knows, you know?

[00:59:02] Yeah.

[00:59:02] Yeah.

[00:59:03] On a split.

[00:59:04] Yeah.

[00:59:04] She can do it.

[00:59:05] Maybe that's what you want.

[00:59:06] I wonder if Andy will think that because he just saved those guys, he has power.

[00:59:11] Like he's, Rachel's more of a threat to him than them.

[00:59:14] I don't really know.

[00:59:15] I think that would be a bad read.

[00:59:16] Yeah.

[00:59:16] I think that would be a bad read.

[00:59:17] They're all a threat to him, but I still think that I would rather take out like a Genevieve.

[00:59:20] I mean, I think this is the thing I have trouble with is that I do feel like it raised all three of their stock.

[00:59:26] And we already know that Andy will lose to those two.

[00:59:29] And like, I still feel like he's going to lose those two.

[00:59:30] But I do think you're really right.

[00:59:32] He really did raise his stock relative to the others.

[00:59:35] Yeah.

[00:59:36] And then, I mean, I still think Rachel compared to him, like Rachel have poor stuff.

[00:59:39] I think that the stock was so low that you still should take out Rachel,

[00:59:42] even though, as we're saying, it has tricked her a couple of times.

[00:59:45] Now, the way that the narrative was telling it a little bit, and I don't know if you got this,

[00:59:49] and I'd love to get your opinion, was that Genevieve was kind of the puppeteer a little bit.

[00:59:56] In that it was like, I think we kind of had it connected to her emotionality story with her,

[01:00:00] like reconnecting with Andy, the relationship, like is Andy doing it now because Genevieve is being social again?

[01:00:05] And like they've reconnected that friendship.

[01:00:07] Is Andy doing it because we've seen Genevieve call him out as a coach and now he needs to make a move and knows to do that?

[01:00:13] Whereas I think like Andy AI optimized is doing this anyway.

[01:00:16] And I think if that's one of the reasons he knew he was a goat, like it's valid, you know,

[01:00:21] whatever way he was reading it, I think is exceptional.

[01:00:23] So I don't put the impetus of the move.

[01:00:26] I think Genevieve did great stuff, but I don't put that on her.

[01:00:28] But like, how did you read the edit of that and what you actually think?

[01:00:31] Yeah.

[01:00:32] I mean, I definitely edit aside.

[01:00:34] I did think that Genevieve did a really good job in that conversation with Andy.

[01:00:37] I do think.

[01:00:38] They both did.

[01:00:39] Yeah, they both did.

[01:00:40] And listen, Andy is an optimal game player, but I also still definitely think he's a person.

[01:00:46] And I think she needed to mend that fence emotionally in order.

[01:00:50] Like, I actually do think that was important.

[01:00:51] Like, we saw how pissed he was last week at her for saying that.

[01:00:55] And like that, I think that really was a good move from her.

[01:01:01] Yeah, not just the whole thing.

[01:01:03] I think especially as she said, she was like, you know, that was shitty of me.

[01:01:07] And also like, I hope we can still be friends.

[01:01:08] She said specifically friends.

[01:01:10] And I was like, the way she said it, I thought was really well done of like, I'm saying this outside the game.

[01:01:16] Like, I just want to make sure we're okay outside the game.

[01:01:18] But obviously it was to be good inside the game.

[01:01:20] And we love that.

[01:01:21] That survivor.

[01:01:22] We love that.

[01:01:23] Edit wise.

[01:01:24] Okay.

[01:01:24] I don't know.

[01:01:25] Again, I don't.

[01:01:26] I mean, I think the edit was quite clear.

[01:01:29] It was Andy.

[01:01:30] Like, this is Andy's scheme.

[01:01:31] I, so I didn't really read that.

[01:01:32] But it was Andy's scheme so much.

[01:01:34] Like, you can't tell it any other way.

[01:01:35] And I thought even within that, there was a little bit of just connecting it a little bit to him.

[01:01:40] Yeah.

[01:01:40] And doing what other people want, which doesn't make sense to me because it's so optimal for him that you can't say he's being manipulated.

[01:01:45] And he's, I think, coming to it through his own realizations that are all valid and good.

[01:01:49] But I think you could spin that web as Andy doesn't want to do it as well.

[01:01:53] Yeah.

[01:01:54] I mean, I don't think that Genevieve, I don't think Genevieve has massive respect for Andy still.

[01:02:01] Like, I think the way she, I definitely picked up on the way she was, I feel like sometimes saying Operation Italy.

[01:02:07] Like, I think there was a little, like, maybe potentially poking fun at some of it.

[01:02:10] I don't know.

[01:02:11] I didn't really get that.

[01:02:12] I do in general, I feel like a major theme that the editors are giving us is people who are emotional versus people that are not emotional.

[01:02:21] And they were like, you know, Genevieve did the non-emotional, cut off her feelings versus we have Teenie who's, like, being very emotional.

[01:02:30] We've seen it, like, literally, that's been, like, many times.

[01:02:33] Like, Kyle talked about that.

[01:02:34] And it feels like a lot.

[01:02:35] And I'm like, where does that story end?

[01:02:37] Is there someone that is, is it that it ends in, like, Rachel's final tribal speeches, I was emotions and strategy or something?

[01:02:46] Like, is there someone that's going to bridge it?

[01:02:48] People love that.

[01:02:49] People love that.

[01:02:49] Is that what that's going on?

[01:02:51] Yeah.

[01:02:51] Right.

[01:02:52] Is it that, you know, yeah, Teenie and, yeah, I don't know.

[01:02:57] I'm like, but I feel like the conclusion of the story will relate to this theme of emotions versus not.

[01:03:03] But I don't know.

[01:03:04] Probably community as well.

[01:03:05] What that is, yeah.

[01:03:06] Yeah.

[01:03:06] Those are probably.

[01:03:07] I want to vomit and die every time someone says community on the show.

[01:03:10] It is not a community.

[01:03:11] It is a game where you're trying to vote each other out.

[01:03:14] Yeah.

[01:03:14] And Genevieve, she knows how to get it.

[01:03:15] She's like, they will not purple me again.

[01:03:17] Okay.

[01:03:17] I'm getting airtime by saying what they want about communities.

[01:03:20] The only thing that is allowed about the community is if they're trying to replace the extremely

[01:03:25] appropriative word tribe with community.

[01:03:26] That's the only thing.

[01:03:28] Part of me was like, are they trying to soft launch that?

[01:03:31] Yeah, it goes really well when they, when they change that.

[01:03:33] I mean, everyone really likes it.

[01:03:34] People love it when they change that.

[01:03:36] Yeah.

[01:03:36] Yeah.

[01:03:37] Okay.

[01:03:38] We have a couple of questions.

[01:03:39] What do you think about that?

[01:03:40] You have any, you have any, you think?

[01:03:42] I mean, I do think that that's the kind of thing that they would love to show.

[01:03:47] Because it's like, you know, this like broad brush kind of ways you see the world, you

[01:03:52] know, do you type with a you or a you?

[01:03:55] So I do think that that is possible.

[01:03:57] And I mean, I think we've seen it play out.

[01:03:59] Like, I think we see it play out all the time.

[01:04:01] I think that Genevieve space jammed herself last week.

[01:04:04] Well, not they space jammed her by taking away all her like people and strategic options

[01:04:08] and she's a people person, but she as well was holding herself back.

[01:04:10] And I think we get that story now.

[01:04:12] Like that's, that's almost already been satisfied in the fact that he reconnects and is back

[01:04:17] on top, at least for a little bit, or at least that's this huge win.

[01:04:20] And Teenie, I think we see, I think we saw Teenie's emotionality do them a little bit

[01:04:25] today.

[01:04:25] And I think we've, I mean, even if it's just Teenie's losing game, I think that that story

[01:04:29] will play out.

[01:04:30] I will say as well with Teenie, I've said it before, Chekhov, Chekhov's Women's Alliance.

[01:04:35] If it's mentioned in the first act, a woman will go home in the third act.

[01:04:38] I don't make the rules.

[01:04:39] And at this point, Teenie specifically trying to make a woman's life valiantly.

[01:04:44] And you know, like I respect it, but it's dooming the women.

[01:04:48] It is cursing the women to go home.

[01:04:50] So we need to watch out for that.

[01:04:51] Listen, the Yasa Women's Alliance, we took out, we took out two men before we turned

[01:04:57] on each other.

[01:04:58] So, okay.

[01:05:00] Yeah, exactly.

[01:05:01] And then small time, that's a lot of men.

[01:05:03] That's all the men.

[01:05:04] So look, it's not, that is true.

[01:05:06] But did you, but did the edit show you say Women's Alliance at the beginning of the episode?

[01:05:10] At the beginning of that episode?

[01:05:12] Because that's what it is.

[01:05:13] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:05:14] Well, it showed me talking about like that.

[01:05:17] I don't want to go with the men because I want to get credit at the end.

[01:05:20] And then later that episode, I don't think that's enough.

[01:05:22] I think you need to say Women's Alliance.

[01:05:23] And I want to go with the women.

[01:05:24] Yeah, I didn't say, I probably didn't say the phrase Women's Alliance.

[01:05:27] That's like, it's like a Beetlejuice.

[01:05:28] It's like it summons a woman going home like that.

[01:05:31] It's been said so many times by Teenie though, specifically at this point as well.

[01:05:35] I have, I've just, I've got so many thoughts about it.

[01:05:38] Should we, should we, okay, for this as a question, because I like to go back and look

[01:05:42] at what I said last week and figure out for myself, was I wrong?

[01:05:44] Yeah.

[01:05:45] You know, because I can be wrong.

[01:05:47] And clearly I was not.

[01:05:48] Not you, Shannon.

[01:05:49] Yeah, sometimes I can.

[01:05:50] Okay.

[01:05:50] I'm only mildly spoiled.

[01:05:52] No.

[01:05:53] So Carl versus Jen, right?

[01:05:56] I want to talk about it.

[01:05:57] Even though Carl has already gone home because last week I was very high on like, take out

[01:06:01] Carl.

[01:06:01] What can Genevieve do now that she's been space jammed?

[01:06:04] Whereas Carl will always have the opportunity to win a challenge.

[01:06:07] You know, there's always going to be a challenge.

[01:06:09] So then Genevieve pulled off stuff that like, you know, Carl couldn't do this.

[01:06:14] Like, can you imagine Project Eater 3, but it's Carl instead of Genevieve.

[01:06:17] Like, I don't think that he could, he might even be like, and I really like Carl, but

[01:06:21] he might be a little bit of a liability to the point it was a difficult plan to pull off.

[01:06:25] We knew he wasn't strategically savvy compared to Genevieve, who is Genevieve.

[01:06:30] Do I look back and that was wrong?

[01:06:31] Was I wrong on that?

[01:06:32] I mean, I always thought that was wrong.

[01:06:35] Like, I mean, just to me, the scarier person on Survivor is the strategically savvy one.

[01:06:43] And that just is always the scarier thing.

[01:06:45] We also were extremely far away from the number of immunity wins needed.

[01:06:50] But I mean, I don't even like...

[01:06:54] Yeah, for the four.

[01:06:56] So, because, because the way, because it was that, it was the same group of underdogs that just,

[01:06:59] sorry, I watched these all really close and now it's, it's blending.

[01:07:02] Yeah, it was the same exact group of people.

[01:07:04] The five group with Andy, yeah.

[01:07:05] The five.

[01:07:06] Yeah.

[01:07:06] It was just physical versus, it's just for me, obviously, you know,

[01:07:10] I mean, Carl could win immunity here.

[01:07:12] And then if they think...

[01:07:15] But no, but actually, it would have been fine if Carl...

[01:07:17] I was actually, I was actually wondering if Sam, if Sam was not trying to win that last...

[01:07:22] If Sam wins immunity...

[01:07:24] It screws up the plan.

[01:07:25] Let's talk about it.

[01:07:27] Yeah, yeah.

[01:07:27] If they win immunity, it screws up the whole plan because they can't split the vote.

[01:07:32] I want to, I want to talk about that because it's not hilarious.

[01:07:34] I know.

[01:07:34] If I'm Sam, because he, he was the first one, I think at the paddle, he was right there.

[01:07:38] Yeah, he wasn't.

[01:07:39] They weren't throwing it.

[01:07:40] No, they definitely weren't throwing it.

[01:07:41] I mean, yeah, you have to, that's such a risk when you know you're that,

[01:07:45] like, it's such a finesse plan.

[01:07:47] But yeah, that really would have screwed the whole plan.

[01:07:48] Well, I mean, I definitely, I'm not advocating that they should have

[01:07:51] thrown in the challenge.

[01:07:52] No, I know.

[01:07:52] I was just...

[01:07:53] But I do think it's interesting though, because if they threw the,

[01:07:55] if they throw the challenge, the whole operation is completely gone.

[01:07:59] But at the point where the operation was like so tenuous,

[01:08:01] and I also think that anyway get turned on,

[01:08:03] like they're just trying to get through tonight to next round anyway.

[01:08:06] If I can take safety, I'm taking it.

[01:08:08] Like maybe I sacrifice a possible shield

[01:08:10] and the fact that then like Sam is just straight shot out of the game

[01:08:14] than if you're Genevieve or vice versa.

[01:08:16] Yeah.

[01:08:16] But I'm willing to take that risk just to be safe

[01:08:18] because the plan was so tenuous.

[01:08:19] I also think that if you have this plan with an idol

[01:08:22] and one of you is immune,

[01:08:23] maybe you use it to like crack the majority.

[01:08:26] You know, then at that point it's like,

[01:08:28] it's not about splitting.

[01:08:28] It's about, oh, like you can't split the vote.

[01:08:30] So we can crack you.

[01:08:32] And maybe that could actually work better.

[01:08:33] And at that point you've won to protect immunity from Rachel winning it.

[01:08:38] And you can take out Rachel,

[01:08:39] who I think was like the optimal person for all of them.

[01:08:42] Oh, so you're saying if like Sam wins immunity

[01:08:44] and then they just go full and have a fake idol,

[01:08:46] there's no point in it.

[01:08:48] Yeah.

[01:08:48] And now that's a crack.

[01:08:50] Possibly you could crack you back.

[01:08:51] And I think Rachel's the best target over Caroline.

[01:08:54] I don't think she's a shield enough over Genevieve and Sam anyway.

[01:08:58] And she has the vote block, which I think is really important.

[01:09:00] And I think she tightens up this end game for Andy in a way that Caroline didn't.

[01:09:05] So I think, yeah, you want to win the challenge,

[01:09:07] but it is funny that this specific plan wouldn't have worked

[01:09:09] had one of them actually won the challenge.

[01:09:11] It would have been a funny way to scupper that.

[01:09:13] Yep.

[01:09:14] I mean, I think like, I was just trying to think of like, okay,

[01:09:16] who was the Kyle vote worst for?

[01:09:19] And it's like, I mean, obviously Caroline.

[01:09:23] And I think what you said last week was really right.

[01:09:25] I mean, Sue hating Kyle was very bad for all of the Tuku players.

[01:09:31] And like in the world where that's not the case.

[01:09:33] It went three in a row now.

[01:09:35] Right.

[01:09:35] In the world where that's not the case,

[01:09:37] like you would imagine that Kyle would be like potentially least likely to vote

[01:09:41] out Caroline and Sue, like, like, you know, like there's a world,

[01:09:45] their natural allies are probably still going to be the starting tribes.

[01:09:48] And like, I do feel like, I wonder if the, to me, the biggest mistake,

[01:09:52] and I don't even know if this is, is, is a mistake that can be changed is like,

[01:09:58] once you declare these are the threats and we are the underdogs,

[01:10:02] do you therefore guarantee that those three people will beat every single one of

[01:10:05] you in the end?

[01:10:06] Because you've declared that they are not, you know,

[01:10:09] I think it's definitely a self-fulfilling prophecy because it becomes,

[01:10:12] it was like with Ben Dreyberg.

[01:10:12] It was like, right.

[01:10:13] You tried so hard to get him out.

[01:10:15] And if you like the fact that you failed at that shows a success on their part

[01:10:19] and a failing on yours.

[01:10:20] Now, again, as I said, at the top of the podcast,

[01:10:23] with people's feelings about you, they can switch that any which way,

[01:10:26] you know, I didn't, you know, oh,

[01:10:28] they weren't a big enough threat if they want to,

[01:10:30] but I think there was already so much runway for the lions,

[01:10:34] the threats of Kyle and Sam and Genevieve that they would lean into that.

[01:10:37] And it would only kind of affirm what the jury think.

[01:10:40] I do think that.

[01:10:40] Right.

[01:10:41] Which is fair.

[01:10:41] I mean, yeah, I think Sam is a good point example though.

[01:10:44] I feel like Sam's stock rose dramatically by being declared a threat from,

[01:10:50] from my perspective as a viewer,

[01:10:51] maybe that was already so obvious to everybody on the Island,

[01:10:54] but like he really hadn't done like so much,

[01:10:57] but now I'm like, how impressive is Sam?

[01:10:59] Like, you know, like, you know?

[01:11:02] Yeah.

[01:11:03] There's it.

[01:11:03] Yeah.

[01:11:04] Well now,

[01:11:04] and now this was obviously the best thing that Sam,

[01:11:07] I think,

[01:11:08] I mean,

[01:11:08] I think the Annika stuff was good.

[01:11:09] I think he was good in the pre-merge and like has lost a lot of agency.

[01:11:11] I thought actually that he,

[01:11:12] I still backed what he did even at the gay boot,

[01:11:14] even though it went so sour.

[01:11:16] I put that more on perception and positioning.

[01:11:18] And now,

[01:11:19] even though I think he's going to be the threat again next week,

[01:11:21] I still see this as a win.

[01:11:22] That's what it is.

[01:11:22] It's just wins to buffer one shield at a time,

[01:11:25] take out that round.

[01:11:26] Now you made it one round further.

[01:11:28] And then hopefully he gets through for him,

[01:11:31] you know,

[01:11:31] through to the end of the game.

[01:11:32] So,

[01:11:33] I mean,

[01:11:33] I still think,

[01:11:33] I think that Kyle actually was the move and I'll stand by it over

[01:11:36] Genevieve.

[01:11:38] I don't think I could have foreseen this happening,

[01:11:40] but I don't,

[01:11:41] I don't put it on the fact that like Genevieve was here to make it

[01:11:43] happen.

[01:11:44] Like they,

[01:11:44] they had so much power.

[01:11:45] They were still a five.

[01:11:47] They thought,

[01:11:47] but this is the majority.

[01:11:48] And this is the thing that everyone who thought it should have been

[01:11:50] Genevieve was saying is that Genevieve is more likely to be able to

[01:11:54] make something happen than Kyle.

[01:11:56] And we just said,

[01:11:57] you just said that Kyle in this spot would not have been able to.

[01:12:00] You could never,

[01:12:00] I would love to see it.

[01:12:02] I love,

[01:12:02] I want to live in that reality of him making the fake idol and having

[01:12:05] to do it.

[01:12:05] It is not Kyle's speed or game.

[01:12:07] And he would tell you,

[01:12:08] I'm sure the same.

[01:12:09] My question is Kyle could have done the walk around the Sam part.

[01:12:13] Kyle could have done the walk around and be like,

[01:12:15] it's probably me,

[01:12:17] you know?

[01:12:18] Yeah,

[01:12:19] maybe.

[01:12:19] Yeah.

[01:12:19] And Sam could have done the idol.

[01:12:21] Maybe like,

[01:12:21] I think these roles were the best roles,

[01:12:23] but I think this was optimized.

[01:12:26] How many times have I said optimized tonight?

[01:12:27] But my,

[01:12:27] but my thing is as well is like true.

[01:12:30] We gave them the best possible team to screw over this like group of four

[01:12:33] women.

[01:12:34] True,

[01:12:35] true.

[01:12:35] But also they could have just put Andy on the second and none of this

[01:12:40] would have happened.

[01:12:41] Like I,

[01:12:41] to me,

[01:12:42] the issues are in the defenses,

[01:12:44] like the holes in the defenses rather than how we even got to the point

[01:12:48] where they were in that group.

[01:12:48] Cause I think they just should have protected it better.

[01:12:51] And I mean,

[01:12:51] another thing as well on the vote block,

[01:12:53] cause we haven't even really discussed the vote block.

[01:12:55] Andy's like,

[01:12:56] don't use the vote block.

[01:12:57] Use it next time.

[01:12:57] Um,

[01:12:58] I'm just struggling to see like how the vote block is that helpful next time

[01:13:02] and what they think is happening.

[01:13:03] Like they're leaving in at that point,

[01:13:05] Sam or Genevieve,

[01:13:06] if she plays the idol.

[01:13:08] So,

[01:13:09] okay.

[01:13:09] One of them wins immunity.

[01:13:10] And then like your three of like teeny and like,

[01:13:14] you know,

[01:13:15] Rachel and,

[01:13:15] and Andy at that point,

[01:13:16] they're having that conversation take out on a sewer Caroline,

[01:13:19] or like if one of them has another idol,

[01:13:22] um,

[01:13:23] at that point,

[01:13:24] then,

[01:13:24] you know,

[01:13:25] then they're protected and they don't choose on the bounce back and your

[01:13:28] three choose.

[01:13:29] It feels small to me.

[01:13:30] Maybe I'm missing why the vote block was so important next week.

[01:13:33] It feels like they could have just used it.

[01:13:35] Cause I just don't see why we really need it next week in,

[01:13:38] in their configuration of what they think is a five to one majority.

[01:13:41] But my main criticism is again,

[01:13:43] where Andy was on the split.

[01:13:44] I thought that should have been more than enough,

[01:13:45] but I also think that they could have used the vote block.

[01:13:48] So I just,

[01:13:48] I don't get that.

[01:13:50] Yes.

[01:13:50] Well,

[01:13:51] I suppose,

[01:13:52] I mean,

[01:13:53] I think Rachel needs the vote block next week for herself.

[01:13:56] Like,

[01:13:57] I think she's the most at risk in,

[01:13:59] or like,

[01:14:00] wait,

[01:14:00] it can,

[01:14:00] it go,

[01:14:01] you can only use it at six.

[01:14:02] Right.

[01:14:03] And Rachel has an idol,

[01:14:04] which she can play at five.

[01:14:05] So Rachel only needs to get through this one more vote.

[01:14:08] If I'm Rachel,

[01:14:09] I'm keeping it.

[01:14:09] She's the biggest threat of,

[01:14:11] and she was immune that week,

[01:14:12] you know?

[01:14:13] Right.

[01:14:14] True,

[01:14:14] true.

[01:14:14] But like,

[01:14:15] like what,

[01:14:15] what is she using the vote block for next week?

[01:14:17] Like,

[01:14:18] I mean,

[01:14:18] have her allies flipped on her because of that case,

[01:14:21] like the vote blocks isn't enough or have just a couple of allies

[01:14:25] flipped,

[01:14:25] which I guess can happen.

[01:14:26] Look at that.

[01:14:26] And he just flipped,

[01:14:27] but like you're going to need numbers anyway,

[01:14:29] next week.

[01:14:29] And you're hoping that your numbers see you through with one minority

[01:14:32] member still in the game.

[01:14:33] Well,

[01:14:33] okay.

[01:14:34] Well now we know the truth and she really does need it.

[01:14:37] Right.

[01:14:38] I mean,

[01:14:38] like now that it's a three,

[01:14:40] three,

[01:14:41] now it's extremely.

[01:14:41] I think Andy is flipping,

[01:14:43] but yeah,

[01:14:43] it could be helpful.

[01:14:43] Yeah.

[01:14:44] Yeah.

[01:14:44] Which honestly,

[01:14:45] yeah.

[01:14:46] So,

[01:14:46] you know,

[01:14:46] just to say,

[01:14:47] but then,

[01:14:48] okay.

[01:14:49] So in the,

[01:14:50] so you're saying in the scenario that Rachel is imagining that

[01:14:52] happens,

[01:14:53] which is that,

[01:14:53] uh,

[01:14:55] say Genevieve or Sam,

[01:14:56] Sam goes,

[01:14:57] Sam goes,

[01:14:57] Genevieve plays.

[01:14:58] Sam goes,

[01:14:59] Sam goes,

[01:15:00] and now it's five,

[01:15:01] one.

[01:15:02] So then presumably,

[01:15:03] right.

[01:15:03] So I guess it's like,

[01:15:04] yeah,

[01:15:04] it's presumably everybody votes for Sam.

[01:15:07] What if Sam means immunity?

[01:15:08] Now we're like battling out among the,

[01:15:11] what's the power split within the five.

[01:15:13] I think canceling out someone's vote is solid.

[01:15:16] Like I,

[01:15:16] I think,

[01:15:17] I,

[01:15:17] I think that's a little,

[01:15:18] it's,

[01:15:18] it's not a slam dunk situation,

[01:15:20] uh,

[01:15:21] because you do always have the immunity and Sam and especially,

[01:15:24] you know,

[01:15:24] has performed pretty well in the challenges.

[01:15:26] Actually,

[01:15:26] Genevieve too.

[01:15:27] Uh,

[01:15:27] yeah.

[01:15:28] Yeah.

[01:15:28] I mean,

[01:15:29] I have questions about it.

[01:15:30] I think it's fine.

[01:15:30] Just put,

[01:15:31] don't put Rachel and I'm wearing the necklace and I know I only have to

[01:15:34] get through one more vote after this.

[01:15:35] I'm keeping the one thing.

[01:15:37] Like,

[01:15:37] I think that makes sense.

[01:15:39] Yeah.

[01:15:39] You know,

[01:15:39] yeah.

[01:15:40] For her.

[01:15:40] It doesn't make sense for Andy to say we need it next week.

[01:15:43] Again,

[01:15:43] these are,

[01:15:44] these are red flags that I also think that people were probably like,

[01:15:47] Oh,

[01:15:47] that doesn't really make that much sense,

[01:15:48] but it's Andy.

[01:15:49] It's okay.

[01:15:49] But you have,

[01:15:50] because they're underestimating Andy instead of thinking,

[01:15:53] no,

[01:15:53] Andy's actually really smart about all these things.

[01:15:55] And that wouldn't,

[01:15:56] he wouldn't say something like that.

[01:15:57] That doesn't make sense.

[01:15:58] Yeah.

[01:15:59] Yeah.

[01:15:59] Well,

[01:15:59] I mean,

[01:16:00] let's take some questions from the listeners.

[01:16:01] Okay.

[01:16:01] William asked,

[01:16:02] is this more of the best,

[01:16:04] if this is more of the best move of the new era or most exciting

[01:16:06] move of the new era?

[01:16:07] Now having to work this out an hour after we've seen the episode

[01:16:10] is a lot.

[01:16:11] And I don't think I'm putting my chips on anything,

[01:16:12] but like,

[01:16:13] you know,

[01:16:13] sight unseen,

[01:16:14] how do you feel about it?

[01:16:16] Uh,

[01:16:17] it's a really good move.

[01:16:18] Uh,

[01:16:19] it's a really good move.

[01:16:20] Um,

[01:16:23] I,

[01:16:23] I don't,

[01:16:24] uh,

[01:16:25] I don't know.

[01:16:25] I feel nervous to say best move,

[01:16:28] like,

[01:16:30] without knowing what ultimately happens.

[01:16:33] You know what I mean?

[01:16:34] that's not how,

[01:16:34] that's not how analysis works.

[01:16:35] You go to where,

[01:16:36] whatever you say,

[01:16:37] people will remind you about it.

[01:16:38] Well,

[01:16:39] I would say,

[01:16:41] I mean,

[01:16:42] I think it was a really good move.

[01:16:43] It's not like,

[01:16:45] so,

[01:16:46] so,

[01:16:47] so crazy.

[01:16:48] It's like,

[01:16:49] pretend we have an idol and someone flipped on a vote slip.

[01:16:52] Like I really liked it,

[01:16:53] but I don't know.

[01:16:55] Uh,

[01:16:56] uh,

[01:16:56] to me,

[01:16:57] I,

[01:16:57] I,

[01:16:57] uh,

[01:16:59] I don't know.

[01:17:00] Shannon,

[01:17:00] what do you,

[01:17:01] what do you think?

[01:17:01] I will give an answer,

[01:17:02] but I just need to think more.

[01:17:04] I think it is to me in what,

[01:17:07] this is not really answering the question,

[01:17:09] but it's,

[01:17:09] there's big,

[01:17:09] we're getting a little bit of a Mount Rushmore of cool new era.

[01:17:13] Plurality moves was the final was,

[01:17:15] was the Cody move in the final six plurality.

[01:17:17] I think it was,

[01:17:18] there was a lot going on in that.

[01:17:20] Survivor 43.

[01:17:22] Well,

[01:17:23] but I was going to say,

[01:17:24] is that a better one?

[01:17:25] I feel like that's the one that people.

[01:17:26] I mean,

[01:17:26] the Jesse,

[01:17:27] the majesty move is,

[01:17:28] it's in the Marianne move.

[01:17:30] Those have always been the two for me,

[01:17:31] because I feel like Tika was more like the,

[01:17:33] the body of work.

[01:17:35] Dee would probably be up there with like what she was doing,

[01:17:38] um,

[01:17:39] like in the final seven.

[01:17:41] Um,

[01:17:42] so possibly like,

[01:17:43] but I think that also was like a little bit of the body of work of

[01:17:45] like her work until like seven.

[01:17:47] And then six.

[01:17:48] And then how I felt that set her up for five.

[01:17:50] Um,

[01:17:50] so yeah,

[01:17:51] I mean like Marianne's move,

[01:17:52] like catapulted into the wind.

[01:17:54] And if that's the metric,

[01:17:55] like,

[01:17:55] I don't think they will do that for Andy,

[01:17:57] but I think Andy's also has a lower base than where Marianne was coming

[01:17:59] from.

[01:18:00] And it's a different situation.

[01:18:01] So it's hard to compare.

[01:18:02] Like Marianne had the opportunity with an extra vote to do it around later,

[01:18:06] which gave her,

[01:18:07] you know,

[01:18:08] like a shorter kind of game to the end,

[01:18:10] which was easier to control,

[01:18:12] fewer threats to take out.

[01:18:13] Um,

[01:18:14] and also like,

[01:18:15] you know,

[01:18:16] easy,

[01:18:16] I guess to get to the end.

[01:18:17] I think Andy like should be fine on that,

[01:18:19] but,

[01:18:19] um,

[01:18:20] like you want to do it,

[01:18:21] like the closer you can do it to the end,

[01:18:22] the better.

[01:18:22] And I think the thing as well with Andy is that Andy doesn't get his

[01:18:25] primary target because she wins immunity.

[01:18:27] Does that make the movie worse?

[01:18:28] Like,

[01:18:28] I don't think it makes it worse.

[01:18:29] I'm glad he still did it.

[01:18:31] I think he absolutely still needs to do it.

[01:18:32] Even if it makes the move.

[01:18:34] Not as good.

[01:18:35] I would much prefer for him that he got to take out Rachel,

[01:18:37] but I would have been very upset had he backed out of it because

[01:18:40] Caroline wasn't the perfect target.

[01:18:42] Cause I still think it took him from zero to something,

[01:18:44] even with the additional hurdle.

[01:18:45] So it seems kind of unfair to take parts,

[01:18:48] like,

[01:18:48] you know,

[01:18:49] some points away because they couldn't get out Rachel.

[01:18:51] But I think that they all made me feel a similar way in the

[01:18:54] conversation with like all of those moves.

[01:18:55] I think.

[01:18:56] I feel like when,

[01:18:58] uh,

[01:18:58] Tiff,

[01:18:58] Evie and Xander beat the knowledge was power.

[01:19:00] That was a pretty cool move.

[01:19:01] That was really exciting.

[01:19:03] It was really exciting for me.

[01:19:05] So maybe people go back and watch that.

[01:19:08] And I,

[01:19:08] but it's all of these like late day moves.

[01:19:10] It's all of the same,

[01:19:11] like seven,

[01:19:13] six kind of vibe that like with,

[01:19:15] and plurality votes are involved.

[01:19:18] I think that that's,

[01:19:19] it was a,

[01:19:19] it was a really good move.

[01:19:21] It was a really good move.

[01:19:22] I'd say the,

[01:19:23] uh,

[01:19:25] something about it because it was so logical,

[01:19:27] it didn't have quite the unpredictability ness for me that,

[01:19:33] that it didn't,

[01:19:33] it wasn't like George and the,

[01:19:36] the villains tribal council where you can't even see it coming.

[01:19:41] You know what I'm saying?

[01:19:42] Like,

[01:19:42] like that to me is the thing that makes the move a move catapult.

[01:19:46] To me,

[01:19:47] this was like a really,

[01:19:48] really good move,

[01:19:49] but,

[01:19:49] uh,

[01:19:50] I don't know.

[01:19:51] I might just be jaded.

[01:19:52] Cause you know,

[01:19:53] it's just never,

[01:19:54] I don't know,

[01:19:55] you know,

[01:19:56] whatever.

[01:19:56] Well,

[01:19:57] to be fair,

[01:19:58] the thing that it had against it wasn't that it was unpredictable,

[01:20:00] but it was that there were so many hurdles.

[01:20:03] Like it shouldn't have worked.

[01:20:04] The four had so many things like the one where Rachel wins immunity.

[01:20:07] They're talking about idols.

[01:20:09] It required this,

[01:20:10] like the split,

[01:20:10] like even the block of vote.

[01:20:12] Like if,

[01:20:12] if any one of those things comes off,

[01:20:14] this does,

[01:20:15] as,

[01:20:15] as Genevieve pointed out,

[01:20:16] like this does not work.

[01:20:17] I think the other thing,

[01:20:18] I think the other thing,

[01:20:20] I don't know.

[01:20:21] Do we want to hear me like say things that are not cool about it?

[01:20:24] I mean,

[01:20:24] overall it was really cool.

[01:20:25] I think no one was risking that much.

[01:20:29] It's like Andy,

[01:20:30] uh,

[01:20:30] Sam and Genevieve have nothing to lose.

[01:20:33] Andy also kind of has nothing to lose.

[01:20:35] They crushed it though.

[01:20:37] But I think that to me,

[01:20:38] there's something that,

[01:20:39] that,

[01:20:39] that doesn't,

[01:20:40] it doesn't quite,

[01:20:41] it's not Parvati giving away the two idols and then she's the only one

[01:20:44] that you can vote for,

[01:20:45] but she's the only one that they won't vote for.

[01:20:47] You know what I'm saying?

[01:20:49] It's a little more.

[01:20:49] Well Genevieve does put herself as a target above Sam,

[01:20:51] but it's not,

[01:20:51] I mean Parvati doing that is like an old time.

[01:20:53] Totally screwed.

[01:20:54] Like,

[01:20:54] yeah,

[01:20:54] like,

[01:20:55] you know what I'm saying?

[01:20:55] Like,

[01:20:56] I feel like it was very logical and then it was executed extremely well,

[01:21:01] but it was,

[01:21:02] to me,

[01:21:02] it was,

[01:21:03] it was inside the box,

[01:21:04] but it was a really,

[01:21:05] really good inside the box move from my perspective.

[01:21:08] Yeah.

[01:21:09] Okay.

[01:21:09] Wikipedia is telling me that the Cody move was four to zero to zero,

[01:21:12] but there was idols.

[01:21:13] It was a blind side of the blind side of the blind side.

[01:21:14] It was cool too.

[01:21:15] And it was a late game move,

[01:21:16] but yeah,

[01:21:17] I mean,

[01:21:17] I think the thing for me that you could say is how much does this change?

[01:21:20] Like,

[01:21:21] do Genevieve and Sam just end up going next?

[01:21:22] I think so,

[01:21:23] but I've been wrong before.

[01:21:24] Does Andy still get to the end?

[01:21:25] And they're like,

[01:21:26] you flipper,

[01:21:26] we don't even like you.

[01:21:27] And he does.

[01:21:28] Can't be anyone.

[01:21:29] If this,

[01:21:30] if this leads to Andy winning the game,

[01:21:32] I think it is,

[01:21:33] then it will be the best move.

[01:21:34] And I do think that matters because it does play into ultimately.

[01:21:38] It can't be.

[01:21:38] And I like you,

[01:21:40] it can't be the best move.

[01:21:41] If it,

[01:21:41] if it lowers your stock in the game,

[01:21:44] like,

[01:21:44] you know what I mean?

[01:21:44] If you did an amazing move to get someone out,

[01:21:46] but then like Genevieve's amazing move against Saul blew up her entire game.

[01:21:51] That's not a great move.

[01:21:52] Ultimately.

[01:21:52] You know what I'm saying?

[01:21:53] So it's like,

[01:21:54] if assuming if Andy gets out next week,

[01:21:56] because everyone's mad at him over that,

[01:21:58] it will not be the best move.

[01:21:59] Well,

[01:21:59] even if he,

[01:22:00] for me,

[01:22:00] I don't think he's going to get out.

[01:22:01] I mean,

[01:22:01] if he,

[01:22:02] even if he gets out,

[01:22:03] honestly,

[01:22:04] like he was already drawing dead.

[01:22:06] So I think,

[01:22:07] you know,

[01:22:07] who knows,

[01:22:07] like he could get to the final six next week and win two immunities and win fire and

[01:22:11] then get to the end and win in a way that I think he was drawing dead.

[01:22:14] So if he gets out next week,

[01:22:16] I'm still super high on it.

[01:22:17] If he gets to the end and the jury still don't want to bar of him,

[01:22:20] then it just like,

[01:22:21] it's less effective for me.

[01:22:23] But I think if the jury,

[01:22:24] if the jury love it,

[01:22:25] then it's not results oriented.

[01:22:26] It's just that we can't possibly know other than one line from Saul.

[01:22:31] We don't even get Ponderosa anymore.

[01:22:33] Like we can't know how the jury are going to feel about this and they will

[01:22:37] affirm the move,

[01:22:38] you know,

[01:22:39] one way or the other.

[01:22:40] The jury just went back to Ponderosa,

[01:22:41] which again,

[01:22:41] we cannot know and said,

[01:22:43] I still hate Andy.

[01:22:44] Then it's like,

[01:22:44] it was still the best shot he had,

[01:22:46] but it just wasn't enough to do anything.

[01:22:48] And that's how low the game was.

[01:22:49] If the jury come back and at least a few jurors are like,

[01:22:52] okay,

[01:22:52] I'm considering it.

[01:22:53] And I wasn't now.

[01:22:54] It was like really impactful.

[01:22:55] And I think we can't possibly know that until we know how the jury thinks.

[01:22:58] And we just won't know that for a couple of years.

[01:22:59] Yeah.

[01:22:59] I mean,

[01:23:00] the other thing is,

[01:23:01] and I,

[01:23:01] and,

[01:23:01] um,

[01:23:02] I listened to,

[01:23:03] uh,

[01:23:04] Hunter and Tiffany from September 46 with Rob last week,

[01:23:07] and they were talking about,

[01:23:08] and I really relate to this.

[01:23:09] They were talking about like,

[01:23:11] sometimes it's too late to find out the information at final tribal.

[01:23:15] Um,

[01:23:15] uh,

[01:23:16] and like,

[01:23:17] like I,

[01:23:17] I,

[01:23:18] I,

[01:23:18] I'm imagining that that jury went back to Ponderosa thinking,

[01:23:22] wow,

[01:23:22] Genevieve and Sam are so amazing.

[01:23:26] And even when they find out,

[01:23:28] like,

[01:23:28] like if Genevieve and Sam get out next to,

[01:23:30] and they're talking Andy up,

[01:23:32] then that will be really helpful to Andy.

[01:23:34] If they find,

[01:23:35] if they don't,

[01:23:36] if,

[01:23:37] if,

[01:23:37] if at the final three is the first time they're really hearing Andy be like,

[01:23:41] I masterminded that.

[01:23:42] I don't know how well it's going to go because of,

[01:23:44] because of that thing,

[01:23:45] because the built-inness of the perception,

[01:23:48] but I hope that would be extremely frustrating.

[01:23:51] And,

[01:23:52] and,

[01:23:52] but you know what,

[01:23:53] even if that does happen,

[01:23:54] it was still an amazing movie for Andy as someone also that loves this game.

[01:23:59] That is,

[01:23:59] I'm sure going to be,

[01:24:00] a big part of the survivor community forever.

[01:24:03] Having this unimpeachably fantastic,

[01:24:07] fantastically executed survivor move will have made his life.

[01:24:10] And unless he was survivor,

[01:24:12] in which case that will make his life.

[01:24:13] And then the movie couldn't have won it without it.

[01:24:16] It gave him a chance to win and he got to do it.

[01:24:18] It was a win-win,

[01:24:19] but he might not win.

[01:24:20] A question from Rachel H.

[01:24:21] I'm so glad we got this question because I was thinking about it and I love

[01:24:24] the level of overthinking that this community has.

[01:24:28] Again,

[01:24:28] this is my people,

[01:24:29] but Rachel H.

[01:24:30] She asked with Sue and Rachel both having idols.

[01:24:32] Why would they believe they're the third idol in the game?

[01:24:33] They needed to talk about how that would be too many advantages floating

[01:24:37] around.

[01:24:37] I did think about this.

[01:24:38] I'm like in this world,

[01:24:39] Genevieve,

[01:24:40] I don't even remember what she said.

[01:24:41] She got a clue.

[01:24:42] Like,

[01:24:42] well,

[01:24:42] I think she said she got a clue at the reward,

[01:24:44] which does make sense.

[01:24:45] I mean,

[01:24:45] did she say that?

[01:24:47] Yeah.

[01:24:47] I thought she maybe.

[01:24:48] She said to Tini,

[01:24:49] like there's a clue at the reward.

[01:24:51] I had to do a bunch of steps.

[01:24:52] Okay.

[01:24:52] Yeah.

[01:24:53] She definitely said she picked it up that day.

[01:24:54] Yeah.

[01:24:55] Yeah.

[01:24:56] I'm pretty sure she said there was a clue at the reward,

[01:24:58] which is illogical.

[01:25:00] Yeah.

[01:25:00] Okay.

[01:25:01] But,

[01:25:01] but,

[01:25:01] okay.

[01:25:02] So firstly,

[01:25:03] Sue and Rachel don't know that the other one has an idol.

[01:25:04] So you don't know,

[01:25:05] neither of them know that there are two idols in the game.

[01:25:08] Rachel might be wondering where the two who idol ever went.

[01:25:12] Gabe played one.

[01:25:13] Maybe it was never found.

[01:25:14] We do know about this red paint thing.

[01:25:16] Hard to kind of put two and two together on that.

[01:25:18] Sue could never know that Rachel found one randomly in the merge.

[01:25:21] So I think that that is tough,

[01:25:23] but it's like,

[01:25:24] okay,

[01:25:24] so either one of two things happened.

[01:25:25] Like there just was one idol in the game or even,

[01:25:28] I don't think they would hide another one on two.

[01:25:30] I mean,

[01:25:30] they didn't.

[01:25:31] But they might,

[01:25:33] because Rachel is saying,

[01:25:35] why would they believe there's a third eye on the game?

[01:25:37] I mean,

[01:25:37] advantage get in once a word.

[01:25:39] Like they,

[01:25:39] they might,

[01:25:39] but they probably won't,

[01:25:41] but I guess they could,

[01:25:43] or there might've been three idols in the game.

[01:25:45] And like soul gets blindsided with one.

[01:25:48] Like it definitely wasn't Carl.

[01:25:49] It definitely wasn't Gabe.

[01:25:49] You knew they were on the chopping block,

[01:25:50] but like sold it.

[01:25:52] And there's been clues and people haven't found them.

[01:25:54] Like,

[01:25:54] I think it's very,

[01:25:55] very hard without knowing what all the idols are to try and gain that back

[01:26:00] and have that be the reason you don't believe it's an idol.

[01:26:31] Yeah.

[01:26:33] Anyone would think she found it within this round because,

[01:26:36] yeah.

[01:26:37] Well,

[01:26:37] I mean,

[01:26:38] at least since Gabe,

[01:26:39] if she didn't play it at the car vote,

[01:26:41] I mean,

[01:26:41] maybe that was more locked and loaded,

[01:26:42] but like at least since Gabe.

[01:26:43] So,

[01:26:44] you know,

[01:26:44] it was recent.

[01:26:44] So like,

[01:26:45] why is it hidden now?

[01:26:46] They put one randomly with Rachel in the game,

[01:26:47] a couple of rounds before that.

[01:26:49] The only one who knows that that was found by Rachel and that that's

[01:26:52] taking up an idol spot in the game is Rachel who then doesn't

[01:26:55] necessarily know that like Sue has one.

[01:26:57] So I think that that's too hard to find that.

[01:26:59] I don't,

[01:26:59] I don't even remember when that happened.

[01:27:00] I don't know.

[01:27:00] It's a blur at this point.

[01:27:03] It was after the Tiana.

[01:27:05] So it must've been at the Sierra.

[01:27:06] Oh,

[01:27:06] it was in the tarps and everything.

[01:27:08] Yeah.

[01:27:08] Yeah.

[01:27:08] Yeah.

[01:27:09] Yeah.

[01:27:09] At the auction.

[01:27:09] Yeah.

[01:27:10] Yeah.

[01:27:10] Yeah.

[01:27:11] So like that could,

[01:27:11] that could be now for everyone else.

[01:27:13] They don't know that Rachel did that.

[01:27:14] That exact thing just happened now.

[01:27:16] It's also that thing happened at the Sierra boot.

[01:27:18] No one found it.

[01:27:19] And they've been trying to push clues on people ever since.

[01:27:21] And,

[01:27:21] and Genevieve found one of the reward.

[01:27:22] Right.

[01:27:23] Exactly.

[01:27:23] It,

[01:27:23] I mean,

[01:27:24] for all that it could have.

[01:27:25] Yeah.

[01:27:25] It also were like in their,

[01:27:28] their world,

[01:27:28] they're like assuming it's a full idol.

[01:27:30] What if it was a one round idol?

[01:27:32] Like,

[01:27:32] you know,

[01:27:32] they do all sorts of,

[01:27:33] I don't know.

[01:27:34] I think it's,

[01:27:34] I think it's too hard to,

[01:27:35] to game out what the producers would.

[01:27:38] very hard.

[01:27:39] Yeah.

[01:27:39] Yeah.

[01:27:40] It's very,

[01:27:40] very hard.

[01:27:41] I think for,

[01:27:41] for any of them.

[01:27:42] And then like,

[01:27:42] is Rachel who found one within the last few rounds and is now having to

[01:27:47] believe they hit another one at the last few rounds again,

[01:27:49] without knowing for a fact,

[01:27:50] if Sue has one and maybe questioning where that idol is.

[01:27:53] Um,

[01:27:53] is Rachel the one who like mostly thinks,

[01:27:56] would they hide another idol?

[01:27:57] Well,

[01:27:57] she's the one we said was like immune and least having to think about it.

[01:28:01] If that's even the case,

[01:28:02] but I'm glad that other people care about this.

[01:28:04] Cause I write down all of these thoughts and I think there's anyone care.

[01:28:07] And someone asked a question and it's so affirming and I love it so,

[01:28:10] so much.

[01:28:11] Um,

[01:28:11] yeah.

[01:28:12] The point about the timing is I get what you're saying about the timing.

[01:28:15] I think,

[01:28:16] uh,

[01:28:16] I don't know once,

[01:28:17] once I,

[01:28:17] once,

[01:28:18] uh,

[01:28:18] my team won immunity and then we lost the immunity.

[01:28:21] So,

[01:28:22] uh,

[01:28:22] for an hourglass.

[01:28:23] So I just,

[01:28:23] uh,

[01:28:24] don't,

[01:28:24] I never,

[01:28:25] the new era would never hide it.

[01:28:27] Yeah,

[01:28:27] exactly.

[01:28:30] The monster is still,

[01:28:31] is still,

[01:28:32] uh,

[01:28:32] quaking me in my boots.

[01:28:33] So I'm not trusting the producers on anything.

[01:28:36] Ryan Brooks asks question.

[01:28:37] Does this move ultimately help Rachel?

[01:28:39] Caroline was a major hurdle in the end game.

[01:28:41] And now she has advantages.

[01:28:42] I can control the vote at final six and two people loyal to her.

[01:28:46] Um,

[01:28:47] I thought Rachel,

[01:28:48] who are the two people that are loyal to her?

[01:28:50] Andy,

[01:28:50] who just,

[01:28:51] Oh,

[01:28:51] not Andy.

[01:28:52] Sue and teeny.

[01:28:53] That's the group.

[01:28:54] Sue and teeny.

[01:28:54] Sue and teeny.

[01:28:55] Yeah.

[01:28:56] Okay.

[01:28:56] Okay.

[01:28:57] I still think Rachel's going to win.

[01:28:59] Like,

[01:28:59] I don't know that I feel like it helped her game.

[01:29:02] Cause I think that what it did create was a much smaller,

[01:29:07] you know,

[01:29:08] a much smaller window to get rid of two threats.

[01:29:10] I think we'll beat her one of who was meant to go now.

[01:29:12] And I think that that was going to get her through to the final five,

[01:29:14] where she had an idol.

[01:29:15] Like,

[01:29:15] I think that was a fine path now edit aside.

[01:29:18] You'd hate for like a,

[01:29:19] you know,

[01:29:19] Sam goes next.

[01:29:20] Genevieve gets to five wins one immunity and fire.

[01:29:22] Like that's a loss for Rachel.

[01:29:24] So I think the chances of that do narrow it,

[01:29:26] but yeah,

[01:29:27] I still think the pathway is six,

[01:29:29] five,

[01:29:29] Sam Genevieve.

[01:29:30] Now you're at four.

[01:29:31] You don't even necessarily need your idol.

[01:29:34] And through,

[01:29:35] and that's then Rachel's going to win.

[01:29:36] And I,

[01:29:36] and Kate bought me great listener for the podcast.

[01:29:39] Kate Allen bought me a tiara for the draft pre-ordered it.

[01:29:43] And I really thought it cursed her immediately.

[01:29:46] I was like,

[01:29:47] this is done.

[01:29:48] And she won immunity.

[01:29:49] And thank God,

[01:29:49] because I could not have lived with myself.

[01:29:51] I,

[01:29:51] yeah,

[01:29:52] I do think I,

[01:29:53] I do think that while Caroline was the major,

[01:29:57] was in some sense,

[01:29:58] a major hurdle,

[01:30:00] like rate Caroline was very onto Rachel being a threat and,

[01:30:03] and,

[01:30:03] and,

[01:30:03] you know,

[01:30:04] had Sue.

[01:30:04] And,

[01:30:05] and so it had some,

[01:30:06] definitely some room to navigate.

[01:30:07] Let's definitely make sure to say more nice stuff about Caroline also.

[01:30:11] Yeah.

[01:30:12] I have to say nothing about Caroline.

[01:30:14] Okay.

[01:30:15] But I do think what the,

[01:30:18] the problem in not having Caroline anymore is Rachel is even more,

[01:30:23] obviously the only one of that group that has cred.

[01:30:27] And I,

[01:30:28] I think,

[01:30:28] I think she already stuck out a bit and now she sticks out even more.

[01:30:33] And I think there's maybe a world where you could convince people that,

[01:30:37] where Rachel could convince people that they need to not sit at the end

[01:30:40] with Caroline and they should sit with her.

[01:30:42] And,

[01:30:43] uh,

[01:30:43] which would be wrong probably,

[01:30:45] but you have a shot maybe.

[01:30:47] Whereas I don't think you can convince people that they should sit with you

[01:30:50] instead of Sue or teeny or even,

[01:30:53] or Andy,

[01:30:54] you know,

[01:30:54] even with this move.

[01:30:54] So I do think taking out the second best,

[01:30:57] biggest threat in the five is not that good for Rachel.

[01:31:00] Ultimately.

[01:31:00] And Rachel and Caroline was talking about like going to the end with Rachel.

[01:31:03] Like maybe that's a choice.

[01:31:04] I still think that they wouldn't have done it.

[01:31:05] I still think that.

[01:31:07] Um,

[01:31:07] but I do think that when Caroline comes to Rachel,

[01:31:09] I thought that Rachel could have protected it.

[01:31:11] Like that's probably a final five with an idol.

[01:31:12] So I wasn't super worried about it.

[01:31:14] Like the intention I think was there.

[01:31:15] There were also nice thoughts about going to the end together.

[01:31:17] I do think they turn,

[01:31:18] but I think Rachel would have had it covered.

[01:31:19] And now I think,

[01:31:20] yeah,

[01:31:21] has these other threats in the game who are good shields,

[01:31:23] but are very,

[01:31:24] very close to the end.

[01:31:25] They're making it to the first part of a two part finale next week.

[01:31:27] So that is a little bit scary.

[01:31:30] I am.

[01:31:31] I'm really thinking the final three is Genevieve,

[01:31:34] Sam and Rachel.

[01:31:35] How sick would that be?

[01:31:36] That would be like,

[01:31:36] that's not going to happen.

[01:31:37] It's not going to happen.

[01:31:39] But one time could that ever happen?

[01:31:41] You know?

[01:31:41] No,

[01:31:42] no,

[01:31:43] no,

[01:31:43] the next three out the door.

[01:31:45] No,

[01:31:45] probably.

[01:31:45] I think Rachel will make it.

[01:31:46] Okay.

[01:31:47] I'm realizing that we're an hour and a half in like Rob comes back from

[01:31:50] Houston off.

[01:31:50] Well,

[01:31:50] he comes from the events and I'm like,

[01:31:52] I did a really long podcast.

[01:31:53] I'm sorry.

[01:31:55] Well,

[01:31:55] let's get to the chizzy first and then we can say nothing about

[01:31:58] Caroline.

[01:31:59] Take it away.

[01:31:59] Jacob,

[01:32:00] take a wine scene and MC color and Scott.

[01:32:14] Okay.

[01:32:16] We got a little bit extra.

[01:32:18] Do we have the chizzy charts as well?

[01:32:21] What are your points,

[01:32:22] Evie?

[01:32:22] These are the charts.

[01:32:24] Oh boy.

[01:32:26] To a three person group who just made the move.

[01:32:29] Or others.

[01:32:30] Yeah.

[01:32:31] I don't feel,

[01:32:31] I don't feel so good about mine.

[01:32:33] I'll give me a,

[01:32:33] well,

[01:32:34] yeah.

[01:32:34] Well,

[01:32:35] I think you flipped me a little,

[01:32:36] you flipped me around.

[01:32:37] You flipped me around in here.

[01:32:38] I'm very confused.

[01:32:39] You flipped me around on Sam's reward choices.

[01:32:41] It's so nice to be flipped.

[01:32:43] Okay.

[01:32:43] So this is,

[01:32:44] but the flipping we're doing,

[01:32:45] that's,

[01:32:45] that's right.

[01:32:46] Yeah.

[01:32:46] Well,

[01:32:46] so this is my fundamental,

[01:32:47] this is my problem.

[01:32:49] The problem I'm having is I think Andy obviously was the

[01:32:53] mastermind of the move,

[01:32:55] but again,

[01:32:56] it's so it's,

[01:32:57] it's hard for,

[01:32:58] yeah,

[01:32:58] he took himself from probably not being able to win at all to

[01:33:02] having a shot at winning probably,

[01:33:04] but we still don't know how big of a shot that is,

[01:33:05] but he did the best thing that he could do.

[01:33:07] So that's really good.

[01:33:08] I do feel that Sam really saved himself and created the

[01:33:14] conditions and brought the right people.

[01:33:15] I really,

[01:33:16] really believe he actually really did bring the right

[01:33:18] people on the reward.

[01:33:19] And the reward was where the whole thing really happened.

[01:33:22] And I don't think it would have happened as well without.

[01:33:25] So my inclination is to give the three to the,

[01:33:28] to Sam.

[01:33:29] But I think that is,

[01:33:31] I feel like that's wrong.

[01:33:32] I feel like I shouldn't give it to the jock.

[01:33:34] You do you.

[01:33:35] No,

[01:33:36] that's not,

[01:33:36] that's you do you.

[01:33:37] I,

[01:33:38] okay.

[01:33:38] I really think Sam was going to go home this week.

[01:33:41] And I think because of actions that Sam took and his

[01:33:44] acting and bringing the right people and the relationship he

[01:33:46] built with Andy,

[01:33:47] the whole game and,

[01:33:49] and the relationship he cultivated with Genevieve.

[01:33:51] Like,

[01:33:51] again,

[01:33:52] he also,

[01:33:52] I think he is also very like me and Genevieve are allies.

[01:33:56] And I think Genevieve is kind of like,

[01:33:57] okay,

[01:33:57] Sam,

[01:33:58] sure.

[01:33:58] But I'm really reading him emotionally connecting.

[01:34:00] He was trying to protect him when Sierra went.

[01:34:04] Okay.

[01:34:05] That's true.

[01:34:05] Okay,

[01:34:05] fine.

[01:34:05] So he built a good relationship with Genevieve.

[01:34:08] Anyway,

[01:34:08] I think that he,

[01:34:09] I really do think that for the position that he's,

[01:34:11] and he really,

[01:34:12] he was going to be the one and he made it so that he wasn't,

[01:34:15] I really think.

[01:34:16] And I don't know.

[01:34:17] I think,

[01:34:18] I think the reward pick was risky and the right and really right.

[01:34:21] And it really worked out.

[01:34:22] So I'm going to do it.

[01:34:23] I'm going to give three to Sam and I'm going to,

[01:34:26] yeah,

[01:34:26] I mean,

[01:34:26] three to Sam,

[01:34:27] I'm going to give two to Andy.

[01:34:28] I mean,

[01:34:28] it obviously was absolutely amazing.

[01:34:31] And I do think he took himself from a no win to a potential win.

[01:34:36] And I think that's amazing.

[01:34:38] And then I'll do,

[01:34:39] I'll do one for Genevieve.

[01:34:41] Cause I,

[01:34:41] I honestly,

[01:34:42] originally I'm not even gonna lie.

[01:34:43] This is fucked up.

[01:34:45] No,

[01:34:45] this is bad to me.

[01:34:45] Maybe I was originally going to do three,

[01:34:47] Sam,

[01:34:47] two Genevieve,

[01:34:48] one Andy,

[01:34:49] because I felt so strongly that the jury is going to reward Genevieve and

[01:34:53] Sam in their minds for this more than Andy.

[01:34:56] Um,

[01:34:57] but,

[01:34:57] uh,

[01:34:58] whatever.

[01:34:59] Andy deserves two and Genevieve can have one.

[01:35:02] You flipped me around on Sam's reward picks,

[01:35:05] which I'm now higher on.

[01:35:06] And I will say for Sam as well,

[01:35:07] they,

[01:35:07] they keep doing this where they don't tell you it's the letters until after

[01:35:11] the challenge.

[01:35:12] And I don't like that.

[01:35:13] Cause I think people should be able to make the decision.

[01:35:14] It's an interesting decision.

[01:35:15] Do you want to give up your own letters and not win the challenge?

[01:35:17] Because it's so emotional and people with so much stock in the letters.

[01:35:22] I like Rachel seemed glad not to win.

[01:35:24] Rachel was trying to win at the point where you're bringing,

[01:35:26] you know,

[01:35:27] you know,

[01:35:28] Sue and Andy for Italian food.

[01:35:30] That's a different decision.

[01:35:31] And it's also,

[01:35:32] it was at the final six last round,

[01:35:34] like last season.

[01:35:34] So I think that's hard to actually judge.

[01:35:37] So I don't,

[01:35:37] I don't blame Sam for winning.

[01:35:38] I might have comments about it.

[01:35:40] No,

[01:35:41] actually Sam should always win.

[01:35:42] He's trying to have,

[01:35:42] he's going home.

[01:35:43] So he needs opportunities.

[01:35:44] So it's fine,

[01:35:45] but it's a hard one to win often.

[01:35:46] And you've now convinced me that he did really well with it.

[01:35:50] So now I was going to give Sam one point.

[01:35:52] Cause I was low on that.

[01:35:55] I still think for me,

[01:35:56] I'm definitely giving three points to Andy.

[01:35:58] Not only was it his plan,

[01:35:59] but as I've said,

[01:36:00] like he,

[01:36:00] to get them onto the primary,

[01:36:02] to get himself into the primary was the main thing.

[01:36:04] He did that.

[01:36:04] And I think another point that's gone unsaid,

[01:36:07] if he needs to read and trust Genevieve and Sam fully,

[01:36:11] he's not risking a lot because I think he's drawing dead at that point,

[01:36:15] but he's giving them so much information.

[01:36:17] He's saying it's called the underdogs Alliance.

[01:36:18] And she has a vote block and like all this stuff.

[01:36:21] And like,

[01:36:21] if they feel he's not going with it or it's too risky or,

[01:36:24] Oh no,

[01:36:25] I'm sorry.

[01:36:25] They didn't put me on the primary or whatever.

[01:36:27] They could always go back to the others and be like,

[01:36:30] do you know that Andy was flipping on you?

[01:36:32] And like,

[01:36:32] maybe they all go for Andy,

[01:36:33] but I think he's reading and trusting that they're desperate enough and

[01:36:36] that they probably don't do that because everyone's like,

[01:36:39] Oh,

[01:36:39] we're pissed at Andy.

[01:36:40] And then they still vote out Genevieve now knowing she doesn't have an

[01:36:42] idol.

[01:36:42] And it was all a ploy.

[01:36:43] Like he's reading something that actually he's putting himself out there

[01:36:46] and he read it well.

[01:36:47] And like good on all of them for the performances and like successfully

[01:36:51] achieving this on read on organization on plan on all of it.

[01:36:55] I mean,

[01:36:57] that's just to say,

[01:36:57] and this is the key.

[01:36:58] I feel like the best survivor moves are amazing group efforts.

[01:37:02] I mean,

[01:37:03] the Eric Reichenbach necklace was a many person,

[01:37:06] amazing move.

[01:37:08] And like,

[01:37:08] yeah,

[01:37:09] we should point out that.

[01:37:10] Yeah.

[01:37:11] Yeah.

[01:37:11] You know,

[01:37:12] three to three.

[01:37:13] Good off.

[01:37:14] Good off.

[01:37:14] Yeah.

[01:37:15] Yeah.

[01:37:15] Well,

[01:37:16] that's actually something to think.

[01:37:16] That's actually fun.

[01:37:17] Maybe we should do a podcast.

[01:37:18] That's like pointing the old of them.

[01:37:22] Some of the most iconic moves in survival history.

[01:37:23] I actually don't hate that.

[01:37:24] Okay.

[01:37:24] Yeah.

[01:37:25] That's pretty good.

[01:37:25] Thank you.

[01:37:25] I love that.

[01:37:27] And they got one over seven.

[01:37:28] They're really players.

[01:37:29] Like these are good players.

[01:37:30] Yeah.

[01:37:30] Caroline,

[01:37:31] like Rachel,

[01:37:31] like they're all,

[01:37:32] you know,

[01:37:32] teeny.

[01:37:32] Like they've.

[01:37:33] Oh,

[01:37:33] I thought you were talking about like JT and Amanda.

[01:37:35] And I was like,

[01:37:35] Oh yeah.

[01:37:37] Oh no.

[01:37:38] Eric Reichenbach.

[01:37:39] No,

[01:37:39] I was talking about this episode now,

[01:37:40] but I do like that idea.

[01:37:43] Three points to Andy.

[01:37:44] And then I still think I'm giving two to Genevieve over Sam,

[01:37:46] but now there's no negative on Sam.

[01:37:48] No notes across the board.

[01:37:49] Now that I convinced you that Andy was good.

[01:37:51] You've convinced me Sam was good.

[01:37:52] I just think Genevieve did more,

[01:37:54] took on the risk now of putting her name out there,

[01:37:57] had to make the fake idol,

[01:37:58] show the fake idol.

[01:37:59] But objectively.

[01:38:00] I'm one of a teeny.

[01:38:01] But don't we agree that that was more teeny being kind of dumb than

[01:38:06] Jen,

[01:38:06] like Genevieve,

[01:38:07] everything she was saying made no sense.

[01:38:10] I know.

[01:38:11] Like that was really,

[01:38:13] if teeny had just one person,

[01:38:15] that story,

[01:38:16] it all falls apart.

[01:38:18] Was Sam there when Genevieve said to teeny,

[01:38:23] Oh,

[01:38:23] just put it on me.

[01:38:24] And that's fine.

[01:38:25] I'm going to be looking at the chat.

[01:38:27] Yeah.

[01:38:28] I'm going to be looking at the chat because I'm trying to like,

[01:38:31] you know,

[01:38:32] I have my recording.

[01:38:34] I'm going to see if I could quickly.

[01:38:35] This is,

[01:38:36] this is the difference between one and two points for me.

[01:38:38] So it's actually really,

[01:38:39] really important.

[01:38:40] Okay.

[01:38:41] Okay.

[01:38:41] Right.

[01:38:42] Sam there when she says that.

[01:38:43] Can someone tell us,

[01:38:44] can someone find it faster than me live?

[01:38:47] Okay.

[01:38:48] Okay.

[01:38:49] It's fine.

[01:38:50] You can look at it during the plug.

[01:38:51] So I'm actually going to take the chizzy chats away.

[01:38:54] I'm going to decide based on,

[01:38:57] based on.

[01:38:58] Yeah.

[01:38:58] When that happens.

[01:39:00] Okay.

[01:39:00] Well,

[01:39:00] I'm going to do the plugs now and then we're going to decide.

[01:39:03] All right.

[01:39:04] The one door is coming back.

[01:39:06] This is this week on club condo.

[01:39:08] I am so excited.

[01:39:09] Jenna in the chat is saying Sam was there.

[01:39:11] Ryan saying Sam was there.

[01:39:12] Kenzie says yes.

[01:39:13] In the chat.

[01:39:14] Yeah.

[01:39:14] Yes.

[01:39:15] Sam was there.

[01:39:15] Okay.

[01:39:15] Everyone's confirming.

[01:39:16] Okay.

[01:39:17] Sorry.

[01:39:18] Yeah.

[01:39:19] That makes no sense.

[01:39:21] That doesn't.

[01:39:22] And then Andy came and they ran.

[01:39:23] All right.

[01:39:24] Chat.

[01:39:24] If you lead me astray and make the chizzy points.

[01:39:27] I'm also looking at that.

[01:39:29] All right.

[01:39:29] Well,

[01:39:30] but I think that.

[01:39:31] Okay.

[01:39:31] We're going to just fine.

[01:39:32] Evie will check,

[01:39:33] but I believe you chat.

[01:39:34] Yeah.

[01:39:35] Um,

[01:39:35] yeah.

[01:39:35] So what we're going to do.

[01:39:37] Yeah.

[01:39:38] The one off.

[01:39:39] I've recorded a one off as well.

[01:39:40] And I'm,

[01:39:40] I need to submit it.

[01:39:41] I'm super excited about the one off.

[01:39:43] Most fat,

[01:39:44] most wonderful time of the year.

[01:39:45] Moving on.

[01:39:47] Club condo this week.

[01:39:48] We know survivor.

[01:39:49] The Houston live show is coming.

[01:39:51] They're all there right now.

[01:39:52] Probably having a great time.

[01:39:54] Watch a fantastic episode.

[01:39:55] Know it all is happening.

[01:39:58] Probably.

[01:40:00] Friday.

[01:40:00] Friday.

[01:40:00] Yeah.

[01:40:01] Because Rob's traveling.

[01:40:02] That's probably right.

[01:40:04] Sam said he would write this down for me.

[01:40:06] Um,

[01:40:07] let's find out.

[01:40:08] Yeah.

[01:40:08] Friday.

[01:40:08] Okay.

[01:40:09] That's Friday.

[01:40:09] Um,

[01:40:10] yeah.

[01:40:10] Know it all is moving on.

[01:40:11] Really excited to hear Robin Stevens takes on it.

[01:40:14] The Q and a with the patrons.

[01:40:15] If you're not a patron,

[01:40:16] what are you doing?

[01:40:17] What are you doing?

[01:40:18] Moving on.

[01:40:19] Episode 12 Q and a.

[01:40:21] And that's on Saturday.

[01:40:22] Uh,

[01:40:23] Evie.

[01:40:24] That's you.

[01:40:25] You're in.

[01:40:25] You can't stop.

[01:40:26] Stop looking up.

[01:40:27] Sam was there.

[01:40:28] There I am.

[01:40:29] Oh,

[01:40:29] I hate that picture.

[01:40:30] Okay.

[01:40:31] That's fine.

[01:40:33] You want to talk about this?

[01:40:34] Yes.

[01:40:34] I did a really fun podcast with Mike Bloom,

[01:40:37] uh,

[01:40:38] where I,

[01:40:39] um,

[01:40:39] had just gotten off the plane home from Thanksgiving and,

[01:40:43] uh,

[01:40:43] had three drinks of whiskey and then talked to Mike Bloom about,

[01:40:47] uh,

[01:40:47] my taste in scripted reality TV shows.

[01:40:50] I really,

[01:40:51] I was really in the Thanksgiving mindsets.

[01:40:53] If you're really going to hear me getting into some of my,

[01:40:55] uh,

[01:40:56] teenager hood and,

[01:40:57] uh,

[01:40:58] stuff like that.

[01:40:59] Uh,

[01:40:59] it was,

[01:41:00] it was a really great time.

[01:41:01] You know,

[01:41:01] Mike Bloom can never go wrong.

[01:41:03] You know,

[01:41:03] great,

[01:41:04] great time.

[01:41:04] Yeah.

[01:41:05] You can see we talked about weeds.

[01:41:06] We talked about lost.

[01:41:07] We talked about Grey's Anatomy.

[01:41:08] We talked about me downloading stuff on my video iPod.

[01:41:11] Uh,

[01:41:11] it was,

[01:41:12] it was great.

[01:41:13] Amazing.

[01:41:13] Well,

[01:41:13] that's Evie on TV for real become a patron.

[01:41:15] As I said,

[01:41:16] if you're not,

[01:41:16] what are you doing?

[01:41:17] Patron only shows the community is amazing activities.

[01:41:20] They just had a lot in Houston swag,

[01:41:23] always wearing my RHAP swag discounts.

[01:41:27] And so much more become a patron today.

[01:41:29] What else do we have?

[01:41:30] Evie,

[01:41:31] have you found the filibuster?

[01:41:32] I'm right at it.

[01:41:33] Okay.

[01:41:33] And then,

[01:41:34] okay.

[01:41:34] I'll say I'll,

[01:41:35] I'll filibuster actually.

[01:41:36] We're going to bake.

[01:41:36] And there's a long podcast,

[01:41:37] but I hope everyone's having fun.

[01:41:39] Um,

[01:41:40] Caroline was great.

[01:41:41] He's right there.

[01:41:42] He's right there.

[01:41:43] He's in the conversation.

[01:41:45] He's signing that she's saying it.

[01:41:47] He's,

[01:41:47] he's complicit.

[01:41:48] He's complicit.

[01:41:49] But yeah,

[01:41:50] but what can he really do at that moment?

[01:41:53] I mean,

[01:41:53] that,

[01:41:54] that is not good.

[01:41:55] Yeah.

[01:41:55] All right.

[01:41:56] So,

[01:41:56] so just to,

[01:41:57] just to explain again,

[01:41:59] Genevieve says to teeny,

[01:42:00] Oh cool.

[01:42:00] Keep it on me.

[01:42:02] And the,

[01:42:03] that means that Genevieve's like,

[01:42:04] great.

[01:42:05] Sam will go home and Sam will go home.

[01:42:06] And I'm going to just have this conversation in front of him.

[01:42:10] Okay.

[01:42:11] Get the charts back up.

[01:42:11] Now we have,

[01:42:12] okay.

[01:42:12] One point to Genevieve.

[01:42:14] That is the most live chizzy.

[01:42:15] We are making history.

[01:42:16] Chistory.

[01:42:18] Give the points.

[01:42:20] Scott,

[01:42:20] are we getting the chart back to give the points from the chart?

[01:42:26] Nope.

[01:42:26] Oh yeah.

[01:42:27] Here it is.

[01:42:27] So now Genevieve is on 24.

[01:42:30] Sam is on 21.

[01:42:32] Andy's on 19.

[01:42:33] So left on 18.

[01:42:34] And then we run it down.

[01:42:36] Rachel and Andy,

[01:42:37] both.

[01:42:38] Andy's,

[01:42:39] as I said,

[01:42:40] he's got more teeny Rachel on 13 points.

[01:42:42] Caroline left on 11.

[01:42:43] Sue is on.

[01:42:44] And then there are other people who are out of the game.

[01:42:46] Yeah.

[01:42:46] Caroline was awesome.

[01:42:48] I really love logic.

[01:42:50] I loved her.

[01:42:51] Like her story last week was great.

[01:42:53] I love the way she was controlling to coup and we can get rid of the

[01:42:56] charts.

[01:42:56] Scott,

[01:42:57] but that's the chizzy.

[01:42:58] Yeah.

[01:42:59] I loved.

[01:43:01] Yeah.

[01:43:02] I love Caroline.

[01:43:03] She was great.

[01:43:03] I love Caroline.

[01:43:04] One thing in particular that I loved about Caroline is I feel like,

[01:43:07] first of all,

[01:43:07] you just really saw how much she loved the game.

[01:43:09] And I really loved the way she,

[01:43:11] something she really did was when other people were doing something good,

[01:43:15] she would be really enthusiastic with them in a really genuine way.

[01:43:18] Like when,

[01:43:19] when they were doing the car,

[01:43:20] the cards thing that ultimately like the,

[01:43:22] the build the Jenga thing that her and Rachel and Sam did.

[01:43:25] And like,

[01:43:25] at one point Rachel does a good move in it.

[01:43:27] And Caroline's like,

[01:43:28] Epic,

[01:43:28] Epic.

[01:43:29] That was epic.

[01:43:30] You know?

[01:43:30] And just like,

[01:43:31] and she,

[01:43:31] and she ultimately lose,

[01:43:32] but she was like,

[01:43:33] that was a great game.

[01:43:34] Like,

[01:43:34] and you just felt that infectiousness from her.

[01:43:36] And I think that really allowed her to like build amazing relationships with

[01:43:39] people in the game.

[01:43:40] And I,

[01:43:41] I just,

[01:43:41] I really,

[01:43:42] really liked her.

[01:43:42] Like I love,

[01:43:43] I love the thing of Caroline and Rachel and Genevieve kind of all seeing each other

[01:43:48] as these like brilliant strategic women in the game.

[01:43:51] And I feel like Caroline really was like,

[01:43:53] I see Rachel.

[01:43:54] I like what Rachel's doing.

[01:43:55] I got to get,

[01:43:56] you know,

[01:43:56] like I just,

[01:43:56] I really like that energy a lot.

[01:43:58] So Caroline,

[01:43:58] you were amazing.

[01:43:59] I hope she's feeling proud of herself.

[01:44:01] I really enjoyed watching her.

[01:44:03] Yeah.

[01:44:03] Yeah.

[01:44:03] And like for Caroline,

[01:44:05] I was critical of the game move.

[01:44:06] I came back a little bit on it.

[01:44:08] Obviously she doesn't go for that reason.

[01:44:10] She recovered really well for that.

[01:44:11] Obviously the game is completely different.

[01:44:13] If that's not what happens and that's a different pathway,

[01:44:15] not to say it would have gone better or worse,

[01:44:17] but it's different.

[01:44:17] I don't,

[01:44:18] she doesn't go for what I viewed as a game mistake,

[01:44:20] even if I see it a little bit better,

[01:44:22] but.

[01:44:23] No,

[01:44:23] she had a very viable.

[01:44:25] Yeah.

[01:44:26] She had a very viable win.

[01:44:28] She had a very viable win position.

[01:44:31] She from last week,

[01:44:32] she really,

[01:44:32] really did.

[01:44:33] Yeah.

[01:44:33] Which is amazing.

[01:44:34] And I just,

[01:44:35] her and Sue is very sweet and it makes me think of me and Tiffany,

[01:44:37] if we had gone further in the game.

[01:44:39] And I really,

[01:44:39] I really liked that.

[01:44:40] I liked them.

[01:44:41] Yeah.

[01:44:41] Well,

[01:44:41] people said Erica and Heather.

[01:44:43] Sure.

[01:44:43] I guess that's.

[01:44:44] That's the other one.

[01:44:45] Um,

[01:44:46] no,

[01:44:46] that's my second,

[01:44:47] that's my second favorite.

[01:44:48] Yeah.

[01:44:49] Yeah.

[01:44:49] In this house we go with,

[01:44:50] with Evie and Tiffany.

[01:44:51] Um,

[01:44:52] I mean,

[01:44:52] yeah,

[01:44:52] for Caroline,

[01:44:53] like,

[01:44:53] yeah,

[01:44:53] to be the second choice,

[01:44:55] you're like the clear second choice where again,

[01:44:57] they can't even have a decoy vote.

[01:44:59] Cause it's so clearly her,

[01:45:00] but like,

[01:45:01] it was meant to be Rachel and like so much had to happen.

[01:45:03] And it's like,

[01:45:04] it's on the primary thing and it's unfortunate basically,

[01:45:07] but that's what we have every for long podcast.

[01:45:10] I make,

[01:45:11] I make no apologies.

[01:45:12] It was so fun.

[01:45:12] I feel like we really got to a lot considering we just watched this like

[01:45:15] crazy episode.

[01:45:17] Yep.

[01:45:17] Yep.

[01:45:17] Loved it.

[01:45:18] Loved it.

[01:45:19] Love talking with you.

[01:45:19] Love survivor.

[01:45:20] Best show ever.

[01:45:22] I love that.

[01:45:22] We convinced each other of things and the chili was alive and like,

[01:45:26] ah,

[01:45:27] survivors alive right now.

[01:45:28] Like,

[01:45:28] ah,

[01:45:28] it's so good.

[01:45:29] Yep.

[01:45:30] Yep.

[01:45:30] I don't want this season to end.

[01:45:32] I'm liking it.

[01:45:32] I mean,

[01:45:32] I really want to know the outcome,

[01:45:34] but I'm really excited to like,

[01:45:35] I really feel like this,

[01:45:36] this was,

[01:45:37] I just feel like this has been a good game.

[01:45:38] Like that's how I feel about this season.

[01:45:40] Like a lot of good game,

[01:45:42] but this was a peak by far.

[01:45:44] I've been saying that the season is like fun,

[01:45:46] but like consistent,

[01:45:47] like nothing really sounds like up or down for me,

[01:45:49] but like,

[01:45:49] this is like way up.

[01:45:51] Yeah.

[01:45:51] Evie,

[01:45:52] do you want to plug stuff?

[01:45:52] I know that you had like a great,

[01:45:53] like charity Instagram live.

[01:45:55] I would find you what you're doing.

[01:45:57] Yes.

[01:45:58] I would love to plug stuff.

[01:45:59] Okay.

[01:46:00] Uh,

[01:46:00] if you are just meeting me for the first time,

[01:46:02] my name's Evie.

[01:46:03] I am queer and non-binary and trans.

[01:46:05] And I did an,

[01:46:06] uh,

[01:46:07] really fun,

[01:46:07] uh,

[01:46:08] an important fundraiser this past weekend,

[01:46:11] uh,

[01:46:11] where I brought together a bunch of survivor players to raise money for an

[01:46:15] organization called point of pride,

[01:46:17] which,

[01:46:18] um,

[01:46:18] provides,

[01:46:19] uh,

[01:46:19] helps trans people get the healthcare and other wellness services that they

[01:46:22] need.

[01:46:23] They've got like a medical assistance scholarship fund,

[01:46:26] uh,

[01:46:26] and they give people free like binders and other shape where it's a really

[01:46:29] amazing organization.

[01:46:30] We've already raised $2,500,

[01:46:33] uh,

[01:46:34] from the fundraiser this weekend,

[01:46:35] but you can still donate.

[01:46:36] And I'd love to,

[01:46:36] I'd love to bump that up to at least 3000,

[01:46:39] maybe even 4,000.

[01:46:40] How many people listen to this podcast?

[01:46:41] Probably a lot,

[01:46:42] um,

[01:46:42] to donate.

[01:46:43] And you can watch clips of the live.

[01:46:44] We had so many people on there.

[01:46:45] Teenie was there.

[01:46:46] It was really fun.

[01:46:47] Um,

[01:46:47] we got to bond and talk about that.

[01:46:49] Uh,

[01:46:49] who else was there?

[01:46:50] We had Katora.

[01:46:51] We had Jake.

[01:46:51] We had Franny,

[01:46:53] Tiffany,

[01:46:53] Nasir,

[01:46:54] Abraham for my season.

[01:46:55] We had Maddie.

[01:46:57] We had Jacob Derwin.

[01:46:58] Uh,

[01:46:58] we had some R-Hap favorites like Grace and Matt and Josh Wiggler.

[01:47:02] And it was just super fun.

[01:47:03] You can check it all out on my Instagram,

[01:47:04] which is at Evie Jag.

[01:47:06] Um,

[01:47:06] and you can donate there through my Instagram,

[01:47:08] or you could just text the word trans futures to 44321.

[01:47:13] And you can donate to that amazing organization.

[01:47:16] And you should do that.

[01:47:17] Do you think that's amazing.

[01:47:19] But also,

[01:47:19] do you think that Genevieve was saying like,

[01:47:21] okay,

[01:47:22] let them put all the votes on me.

[01:47:23] Cause neither me or Sam will go home.

[01:47:26] And just being like,

[01:47:28] I wouldn't even imagine that they would split.

[01:47:30] But,

[01:47:30] but if you,

[01:47:31] but so,

[01:47:31] so in that world,

[01:47:32] Teenie has to believe that what Genevieve trusts her so much to let their plan,

[01:47:38] like,

[01:47:38] like she's thinking that she's,

[01:47:41] Teenie is believing that Genevieve is telling her,

[01:47:44] I have this great plan to blindside one of the people in your group of five.

[01:47:48] And I'm telling you it because I think you won't act upon that.

[01:47:54] Well,

[01:47:54] they thought they said Caroline's the target.

[01:47:57] Okay.

[01:47:58] So Teenie thinks they're trying to idle out Caroline,

[01:48:01] but we are going to split and get one over on Genevieve.

[01:48:04] And Genevieve hasn't anticipated that we're going to split.

[01:48:06] So she said it in front of Sam.

[01:48:08] It just involves.

[01:48:09] It's not right.

[01:48:11] It's not right.

[01:48:15] It's not.

[01:48:16] After the episode,

[01:48:17] but I don't know.

[01:48:18] It's not right.

[01:48:19] Again,

[01:48:19] if you,

[01:48:20] I do think that if Teenie had told one other person,

[01:48:23] this story,

[01:48:24] it would have fallen apart.

[01:48:26] Okay.

[01:48:27] Yeah.

[01:48:27] Okay.

[01:48:28] Fair enough.

[01:48:28] You brought me down a little bit on,

[01:48:30] on what Genevieve was doing and up on what Sam's doing.

[01:48:33] I think it's fair.

[01:48:33] And we're not going back.

[01:48:34] It's been,

[01:48:35] it's been almost two hours.

[01:48:36] So,

[01:48:36] um,

[01:48:37] yeah.

[01:48:37] So I have a global next week with princess Nina twine.

[01:48:39] Follow me at content.

[01:48:42] And that is it.

[01:48:42] Thank you all so much.

[01:48:43] Thank you to,

[01:48:44] Oh,

[01:48:44] yes.

[01:48:44] Oh,

[01:48:45] sorry.

[01:48:45] Just one other thing.

[01:48:45] I'm going to be in Orlando this weekend at the,

[01:48:48] um,

[01:48:49] amazing reality charity event.

[01:48:50] And,

[01:48:51] if you're in Orlando for that,

[01:48:52] uh,

[01:48:53] it's going to be great.

[01:48:54] And I'll see you there.

[01:48:55] That's okay.

[01:48:56] Amazing.

[01:48:57] Okay.

[01:48:57] There's so much going on.

[01:48:58] What a fun episode.

[01:48:59] So much fun talking about it with you,

[01:49:01] Evie.

[01:49:01] Thank you to the listeners.

[01:49:02] I'm going to be,

[01:49:03] I'm going to be like wrestling with this into the night.

[01:49:06] And it is the daytime year.

[01:49:07] So yeah,

[01:49:09] no.

[01:49:09] Okay.

[01:49:10] I think it's right.

[01:49:10] I think I'm going to think about it.

[01:49:12] And I think it's,

[01:49:12] I think it's right,

[01:49:13] but thank you,

[01:49:14] Evie.

[01:49:15] Thank you to the listeners.

[01:49:16] Thank you to Scott and the team behind the scenes and Rob,

[01:49:18] we'll see you on the next one.

[01:49:20] Bye.

[01:49:21] Bye.