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[00:01:39] Coming to you live from my apartment, it's Rob has a podcast.

[00:01:44] And now here's the guy who's wearing only a Q skirt from the waist down.

[00:01:50] I am Rob Sesternino. Hello everybody. Welcome back.

[00:01:54] I'm so excited for tonight's episode because we got a wild, wild night of Survivor.

[00:02:02] A night they're calling the dumbest tribal council ever.

[00:02:06] But it was epic and we're here to talk about it with what could be better to be breaking down an exciting night of Survivor with the newly tenured Dr. Christian Hubicki.

[00:02:20] It's great to be here, Rob. I'm so excited to be here with you to talk about this episode.

[00:02:26] It has it has everything. It's it's got great character moments, great plotting, a really well edited tribal council that still leaves you confused.

[00:02:35] What more could you want? Yes, and we will break down every angle of it.

[00:02:40] We'll take your cues here in the chat. Go ahead and post them all night long.

[00:02:45] We will take them later on in the show. We're going to go for a minute here with Dr. Christian.

[00:02:51] So looking forward to getting into everything.

[00:02:55] If you're waiting for Big Brother Canada, hold on.

[00:02:57] We got that coming on later on in the night.

[00:03:01] But we will have a very jam packed Thursday.

[00:03:04] I will be talking with Tevin was not expecting to talk to Tevin this soon.

[00:03:09] Have an exit interview with Tevin. I'm sure he will have a lot to say.

[00:03:14] And then the survivor know it all.

[00:03:16] Stephen Fishback and I will break it all down at 2 p.m. Eastern coming up on Thursday.

[00:03:21] So looking forward to that. First off, Christian, how are you doing?

[00:03:25] Great. Doing great. As you just announced.

[00:03:28] Yeah, big news here is that I got tenure, which is, you know, for professors a big deal for me.

[00:03:34] It's what I want to do my whole life.

[00:03:36] So I'm thrilled that that happened, which means that I can just talk about survivor all the time now.

[00:03:41] I'm going to do about it. Don't threaten us with a good time, Christian.

[00:03:45] But things are great.

[00:03:47] And and it's and I'll tell you, it's really especially great now watching.

[00:03:52] Just bring you back to the season to have an episode that I feel starts to really step on the gas in terms of the action of the game.

[00:04:01] And I think this might propel us to an exciting finish.

[00:04:04] That is my that is my hope at this point.

[00:04:08] OK, so we had a great episode all through getting to tribal council when it was going to be Tiffany or if it was going to be Tevin.

[00:04:18] But then things took a big turn at tribal council when Q said the person going home tonight was going to be him.

[00:04:28] So we saw how it all went.

[00:04:31] We saw a live tribal council develop really, I think one of the very few from the new era, maybe from like the early days of survivor forty one unless I'm missing one chat will tell me.

[00:04:45] Christian, my big question for you tonight is.

[00:04:51] Did Q.

[00:04:54] Actually want to quit the game or was this a ploy?

[00:04:59] And if so, why?

[00:05:03] I.

[00:05:05] Think it was not a ploy, but I am not sure.

[00:05:09] Let me break this down with you. OK, this is what I was thinking, because I was watching at the time my initial reaction was this is a zane night special.

[00:05:16] This is the zane night move we're seeing at first.

[00:05:19] Why would this otherwise make sense? This is some kind of play to save Tevin.

[00:05:24] That's what I assumed.

[00:05:26] But then as the as tribal council wore on, I realized it did not seem to be an angle.

[00:05:33] Now, I reserve the right to change my mind based upon evidence, but basically everything that we saw.

[00:05:40] On tonight and tonight alone indicated that this seemed to be just some kind of feigning of a quit, some kind of quit, right?

[00:05:49] Or some kind of quiet quitting. Is that what the children do?

[00:05:52] The quiet quitting.

[00:05:54] I think quiet quitting is when you basically check out but you stay.

[00:05:57] OK, all right. Well, I think in that case, I think Hunter was quiet.

[00:06:00] This would be I think a loud quit. Yeah, a loud quit.

[00:06:03] This is at least a loud quit.

[00:06:04] So and so but I was for a while I thought he might be zane nighting this, but realized it didn't seem to be an angle.

[00:06:13] But the only reason that I have reservations about this is because this is past history where in the past he claimed I'm going to quit this guy.

[00:06:22] I feel like quitting, quitting. Then he tells the camera.

[00:06:24] I just said that for whatever, whatever, whatever reason.

[00:06:27] So maybe we get that next time.

[00:06:29] Like in the next episode. Do I believe it?

[00:06:32] I don't know. That is the question.

[00:06:33] But I lean to the fact that this is his first time in the entire game that he has been out of control.

[00:06:39] Yeah, first time. I'm not sure he knew how to handle that is my guess.

[00:06:44] Wow. It's so interesting.

[00:06:46] And first off, I just want to stop down for a second and say, boy, I absolutely love Q that I think that he might be the most interesting player we've gotten in Survivor.

[00:07:01] I don't know. I don't want to get into hyperbole, but I think that there are few players that I would say are more fascinating to think about and talk about in terms of what their motives are, how they look at the game.

[00:07:15] This these last two episodes have just been so much Q and it's been so fun and interesting to talk about.

[00:07:24] And I personally, my gut instinct is that I think this was a play and I'm not sure.

[00:07:31] But I'm not sure what the play was.

[00:07:34] That's the fascinating thing.

[00:07:36] I want to echo what you're saying because your podcast listeners couldn't see me nodding effusively to you and saying how interesting Q is.

[00:07:44] Because as I'm watching an episode and I'm hearing him describe the game, even though at times it feels a bit like out of touch with what other people are thinking about the game.

[00:07:52] But I actually do respect when people say people like to play the game this way.

[00:07:57] I want to see if I can change the game entirely on its head.

[00:08:00] You don't want to take goats to the end.

[00:08:02] I don't want to do that.

[00:08:03] I want to have my six, my cross tribal alliance of six.

[00:08:06] I definitely have no experience with those going awry.

[00:08:08] But he wants to try doing that.

[00:08:11] And also I want to vote out a person from the six every single week.

[00:08:17] Yeah, exactly.

[00:08:19] That's fascinating.

[00:08:21] I think it's interesting.

[00:08:22] And I kind of want to.

[00:08:23] So what I am missing is the theory of the case.

[00:08:25] What was he trying to accomplish?

[00:08:27] Because my read on what happened.

[00:08:29] Go on, Ron.

[00:08:30] I have a couple of different theories.

[00:08:33] OK, a couple ideas of what he could have been attempting to do.

[00:08:39] I would love to talk them through with you.

[00:08:41] OK, number one.

[00:08:44] OK, could he potentially change the vote?

[00:08:49] It seemed like and I wonder if like where with Occam's razor,

[00:08:54] if there ultimately were what eight votes on Tevin.

[00:08:58] Was that what it was going to be basically?

[00:09:01] And potentially did Q get on board with Tevin?

[00:09:04] All the votes are coming for Tevin.

[00:09:06] And that's what they left the beach with.

[00:09:08] And that's what ultimately the Tevin votes did.

[00:09:12] Was he trying some kind of a Hail Mary to save Tevin?

[00:09:16] So that's what I thought would be the case.

[00:09:20] Like this could be one of those things where it's like, you know,

[00:09:23] half of one half dozen of the other six and one half of the dozen of the other sort of thing.

[00:09:27] Where he might feel actually dejected.

[00:09:30] And like as far as I can tell the first time he's been out of control in this game.

[00:09:35] And so and maybe he feels that the dejection and maybe in that moment in that spiral of emotions.

[00:09:41] Maybe I'll play this up as a quit and maybe this will throw, you know,

[00:09:45] I'm going to drop this on everyone at Tribal Council to create some chaos.

[00:09:48] And that might change the target.

[00:09:51] Yeah, maybe he gets the original Tevin votes to go for him.

[00:09:55] Could he potentially be a decoy?

[00:09:58] Take those Tevin votes and then get his people.

[00:10:01] All right. Now we do Tiffany.

[00:10:04] Yeah. And so I think that that something that the fact that he dropped it on Tribal Council

[00:10:09] makes me think there might be some kind of an angle to it.

[00:10:12] And but that's what I just want in terms of what I think actually happened in terms of the plotting.

[00:10:18] I think it's pretty clear to me and I mean, see if you agree that when they were leaving camp,

[00:10:23] everyone, at least the most of the tribe thought that that Tevin was going home,

[00:10:28] that the vote was going to pile on Tevin.

[00:10:30] The question I have is what did you think the votes are going to?

[00:10:34] Did he think all the votes were still going on Tevin?

[00:10:36] Because he had an interesting moment at Tribal where he goes up to Tiffany and says,

[00:10:40] Tiff, you didn't have the votes to get rid of Tevin.

[00:10:44] And, you know, basically apply it was going to be her.

[00:10:48] And I don't know if he believed that or not, or if he was lying.

[00:10:52] He had to have been lying about that because I don't think that he would have gone through,

[00:10:56] you know, the conversation that he had with Hunter.

[00:11:00] How like how did it then get back to Tevin?

[00:11:03] If that was the case, if people were going into that live Tribal to vote out Tiffany,

[00:11:08] I know there wasn't one Tiffany vote ultimately.

[00:11:10] So I don't know what the why would the plan have changed away from Tiffany?

[00:11:14] Had that been the plan on the beach?

[00:11:18] I think that the I think here's what I what I put these together and maybe I'm missing a piece here.

[00:11:24] I think one thing that could happen is that you thought he might have convinced

[00:11:30] Charlie and Maria to vote for to vote for Tiffany and with him and Hunter and,

[00:11:43] of course, Tevin. That's fine.

[00:11:45] And saying that's fine. You don't have the votes to get rid of Tevin with that.

[00:11:50] That's fine. And he seemed to be going up to Tiffany saying, look,

[00:11:54] it's like almost like he was apologizing to her that his last minute scramble caused her to go home.

[00:11:59] It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Maybe this is why your hypothesis might be better.

[00:12:03] My theory of the case has a hole. What does he think?

[00:12:06] What does he thinks happening? I have another theory. OK, we heard that Q has given us a lot of great insight into how he sees the game.

[00:12:15] And I don't agree with how Q sees the game in a lot of ways,

[00:12:20] but I really appreciate that he takes us inside his thinking so much.

[00:12:25] And we're still left with, wait, what is he doing? What is he thinking?

[00:12:28] But he tells us that he has to be in control in the game.

[00:12:33] That's the only way this works. People are playing the Q game.

[00:12:36] Was something about to happen at this tribal council that was not a Q move?

[00:12:42] And in some way, did he hijack the Liz move,

[00:12:48] which was about to happen and somehow turn it into a Q move?

[00:12:52] Did the result does so that there are two questions in the result change?

[00:12:57] Did you think the result changed? Those are the results.

[00:13:01] It did change as a result did not change, but Q did end up back in the majority.

[00:13:07] Did it seem where he was just a tack on person at the last minute on that Tevin vote to in the eyes of Q and the other players in the game

[00:13:19] that this was something that he really had his fingers in, in terms of controlling this tribal council?

[00:13:27] So basically it's a branding maneuver. It's an opportunity for him to take ownership of a move from the mind of the creator of the Q skirt.

[00:13:36] Comes the blind side. Yeah.

[00:13:41] Yeah, and I'll tell you that's a grander narrative we have to talk about, which is the hunger and thirst or whichever is the temptation.

[00:13:49] That's correct for credit in this season for credit for blind sides.

[00:13:53] And it's explained so much of behavior. We saw this episode and perhaps last episode too.

[00:13:58] So all of this kind of can go together. I think that in a way I can exist in a world where there's some degree of there are some beats of genuine.

[00:14:11] Solomness of him being out of control and some kind of movie Ness, let's say to what he was doing.

[00:14:19] And there's some spectrum of that for which none of it really matters.

[00:14:24] But it all explains within the facts. But none of them seem to include.

[00:14:29] But none of those in that spectrum seem to explain some other crazy plan that was about to happen that then went awry and then changed or in his mind then changed.

[00:14:40] I love the word you said movie Ness of that. It's not quite a move, but it's it seems like it's a move and there is some movie Ness here.

[00:14:51] Now, the other part of this that we have to acknowledge is Q in 16 days was for quitting before he was against it.

[00:15:01] We know back from Jalinsky back the legend, he said originally that he claimed that it was Q's idea to quit in the sweat versus savvy challenge.

[00:15:15] We never really got a straight answer about that. But then after Q ended up feeling like that, he blew the challenge earlier on.

[00:15:27] Then Q was saying we saw him by himself. He told the story of his high school football days when he fumbled.

[00:15:35] It took him back to it. He thought about leaving the game that seemed sincere.

[00:15:40] But then we found out that then it was something that he was going to use as a ploy to tell Kenzie that she should not play her shot in the dark because he wanted to go home.

[00:15:54] And so we know he was sitting on this move of, hey, I want to quit. Vote me out.

[00:16:01] We even heard that Kenzie in mocking Q last week when they were talking about Tiffany and Kenzie, the impressions of Q Tiffany or Kenzie's impression was, hey, just vote me out.

[00:16:14] It's something that he's been talking about. Did you basically have this move on ice and felt like, OK, this is my chance to use it?

[00:16:23] The one piece that toward him genuinely feeling like quitting that I is in confessional. He talks about the mistake he made.

[00:16:33] Now it's not quitting, but like in confessional is like, oh, I shouldn't have told Hunter that.

[00:16:38] Then Hunter went off and stormed off in this thing. I thought was a beautiful end of the arc that had me laughing out loud throughout the episode, which is Q describes the things that happened and says big mistake.

[00:16:48] Big mistake. Big mistake. Big mistake. Big mistake. Yeah.

[00:16:52] Yeah. We can talk about Q's war on Christmas as well. I feel like it's an undone theme for the season.

[00:16:58] But there's what it comes to you like he at least admitted to himself to camera that that was a mistake.

[00:17:05] And so he had some self-awareness is not like he's taking everything he does and then retroactively says, oh, that was, of course, a brilliant move that I planned all along.

[00:17:15] He told us that was a mistake. And if that's the case, can we count on him next episode when we get to hear his side of the story?

[00:17:23] I don't know. I don't know. I think that's what makes him so fascinating is that there is there's this ambiguity of his actual motivations.

[00:17:32] It happens in every conversation is a conversation about one thing and then they'll have a conversation and says, oh, that person.

[00:17:38] Big mistake. You got to go home. Like Maria got to go. Yeah.

[00:17:42] He did not seem to fight to want to go home once the live tribal started, which is interesting.

[00:17:50] We saw from last season, we saw both with Hannah, who then did like I don't want to vote.

[00:17:57] I'm ready to go. Like I said what I said. I'm ready to leave.

[00:18:00] But then there was also Sean, who we had the vote and Sean did want to go home.

[00:18:07] He asked people to vote for him. Q seemed rather pleased with himself by the end of this tribal council.

[00:18:17] Interesting. So I was clocking his reaction early on, which he was good on a pretty good sort of sullen kind of defeated face.

[00:18:25] I thought he did a pretty good job with that. Now that could have been an act.

[00:18:28] And I think your colleague, I think his name is Stephen Fishback. Yes.

[00:18:32] He talked about this, I believe is that's how you pronounce it.

[00:18:35] And he talked about how in games of deception, such as one that we're all into right now, it's called blood on the clock tower.

[00:18:41] We played it together. Yes, yes.

[00:18:43] And that if you are in a corner or sometimes you can and you were suspected of being the bad guy, you nominate yourself to be voted out.

[00:18:52] And that's a thing that you can throw out there.

[00:18:54] And that causes enough chaos that is like, well, you know, let's just get rid of someone else instead.

[00:18:58] It's not an unheard of thing to do in these kinds of games of deception.

[00:19:02] So in which case he might seem pleased. But what did he accomplish?

[00:19:07] And I think that this is separate conversations like we as analysts of this show.

[00:19:11] What do we think he actually accomplished versus in his mind, what does he pleased with himself to have think he's as accomplished?

[00:19:18] Yeah. And we only know and understand the game the way that it has been played.

[00:19:23] And if Q is inventing a new paradigm that has not yet been played, then we are eagerly learning about it as we go.

[00:19:31] But it feels very old school, like it's almost like a throwback.

[00:19:36] The way that Q is playing the game, that it feels very much and he mentioned about a mafia boss.

[00:19:42] But it's almost like that he's taken like the Boston Robb control game but has combined it with Robb wants to be surrounded with goats.

[00:19:53] That Q seems to be anti goat.

[00:19:57] So it's almost like I don't even know, like a throwback to, I don't know, like a survivor Australia.

[00:20:06] I like a coach. Oh, yeah. That's interesting. Coach. Iron sharpens iron. Yeah.

[00:20:10] Right. So coach meets Boston Robb. Look and do I buy that this is a warrior alliance?

[00:20:18] Not yet. Not yet. But I mean, and everything that like I think is interesting, I don't necessarily buy it's going to work.

[00:20:28] But that said, I think back to this is a very flattering comparison.

[00:20:32] Tony, I remember the reactions to Tony at the time in his first season.

[00:20:36] What is this guy doing? Flipping a flopper? There's no way this guy is like this guy is like just a character.

[00:20:41] But then by the end, he realized there was a genius to what was going on.

[00:20:47] Now, the thing is, though, Tony, to some degree, was able to explain to us what was genius about some of these things.

[00:20:55] Maybe with colorful metaphors towards Stephen on Twitter at times.

[00:20:58] But the so but like we get those from Q. I'm willing to be convinced.

[00:21:04] And I'll tell you, we are talking about him and that's and that can't make Liz happy.

[00:21:10] Liz wanted this to be her move. And what are we talking about? QQQ. What's everyone going to be talking about? QQQ.

[00:21:16] Where can I get a Q skirt as Q skirts by another tribal council?

[00:21:21] Yeah. And that's the thing that motivated this vote is that she felt she wasn't getting enough credit for the last vote.

[00:21:26] So I can't imagine what she's going to feel like going back to tribal. But that's a whole other story.

[00:21:31] Yeah. Q can forget about Liz doing the marketing for his Q skirts now.

[00:21:36] No way. Well, Jeff not getting one. We determined that he's not going to get one.

[00:21:41] All right. But we've been spending so much time about Q and the quit.

[00:21:45] But I do think ultimately this was while I thought a transcendent night for Q, the TV character.

[00:21:54] I'm probably going to put my chip on. I think next week, unless Q wins immunity, I think he goes home because I think that the biggest moment from this episode that we're going to look back on is the moment where it was actually, I thought, a slip up by Tiffany when she said to Charlie in the live tribal council, just let me know if it's going to be me so I can get my and she like stopped herself.

[00:22:19] And Charlie already knew because Q had told Maria about Tiffany's idol and Tiffany grabbed Kenzie immediately.

[00:22:27] Hey, yes, Q is telling Charlie and Maria about my idol.

[00:22:33] And I don't think that Tiffany is going to let that slide.

[00:22:37] No, I was trying to, to, as to figure out where the pieces might lay after after this is all gone down because while I'm fairly convinced with based upon what I've seen so far that all of the Q nanigans that went on at tribal did not change the outcome or maybe even any of the votes that went in.

[00:22:58] It does change the state of the game for next episode.

[00:23:02] That's exciting. And so two things that I didn't notice one is that I think this is going to bond Kenzie and Tiff tighter together.

[00:23:10] They're going to be like, we're the only sane people on these Yanukes.

[00:23:14] Like, like, and, and, and they clearly communicate with each other immediately after this happened.

[00:23:19] And they're like, they, they, they are on a same on the same level.

[00:23:22] And I think that's great. And number two, the Seagate, this is the best thing that can happen in the Seagate three.

[00:23:28] Yes. In my opinion, because it went from them being in a tough spot to, oh, we're the only three people that seem to get along at all as a threesome.

[00:23:38] That's in this game.

[00:23:41] And so where you had, you got one, you got the Yanukes who now have Q and we have got a preview of what that conversation is going to go like between Tiff and Q, which does not seem positive.

[00:23:52] And then who do you have on the other side? You got your, you got, you got all the nami's and we definitely know that Venus and Hunter, they get along swimmingly.

[00:24:00] So it's like, so, so I think that this, this, you know, the, you know, the Charlie, Maria and Ben of it all have a great opportunity here to maybe seize control of the game if they can pick up the pieces.

[00:24:11] And make no mistake, somebody probably Charlie is going to tell Tiffany, hey, by the way, do you know who started the let's vote out Tiffany talk yesterday? It was Q.

[00:24:24] Yeah, all the cards on the table. I mean, that's the thing that like this is almost the perfect prime for Charlie and crew with Maria and they did.

[00:24:34] I think that they are well positioned in terms of the politics here because it does not seem that people see, and I'm focusing on Charlie mostly because we got so much of his perspective episode on the narration.

[00:24:45] So we got a good view of it, but he is viewed as stated in the episode.

[00:24:50] Like, ah, he doesn't really have a killer instinct, you know, blah, blah, blah. So no one's going to be like, Oh, that Charlie, like, like Q.

[00:24:56] But by Q, by Q. By Q himself.

[00:24:59] So yeah. And, and which is a great positioning in general when people seem less strategic than you probably are.

[00:25:06] But like people like people came to him with this information and we're spilling it all over the place. No one's gonna, gonna blame him for this.

[00:25:13] OK, we're over 20 minutes in. We have not talked about Tevin at all. The person who got voted out tonight and would love to talk a little bit about his last couple of episodes.

[00:25:25] Now, last week he made the big move, him or Venus. It's debatable. OK, I've seen it both ways.

[00:25:34] Or Liz. Or Liz as well.

[00:25:36] Yes. OK, who took out soda ultimately is really the backdrop for what ends up happening here tonight.

[00:25:45] And I did think it was interesting that really, I mean, in a way that Venus taking credit for the soda thing is sort of the impetus for Tevin being blindsided and taking out of the game.

[00:26:01] Sort of like a bank shot off of that. It was Tevin's hubris about the audacity of Venus to think she took credit for my move.

[00:26:17] Could you believe it? And it was like cartoonish, the way that he laughed and laughed and laughed.

[00:26:25] And there was, you know, this like beautiful survivor poetry of him having just being so amused and tickled by the fact that Venus thought that she did his move that annoyed Liz to the degree of I have to start the campaign and the crusade against Tevin.

[00:26:48] Yes, it's been specifically how, that's weird from Liz, how he carried on about the blindside is the thing that made Liz annoyed.

[00:26:57] And I think that that what I too thought that that was interesting. And because it's he basically got away with the crime he wanted to commit, whether it was the crime you should commit.

[00:27:08] And then it brought about this classic conundrum that for especially people with blind survivor have seen. If there is a good blindside, a good blindside has many fathers and mothers.

[00:27:20] Everyone wants to be the architect of the kids. If the blindside happened, everyone wants to take credit for it. And whose move was it? And it can be spun in any which way.

[00:27:30] And I think that the interesting thing was that Tevin thought whatever he thought of Liz, he clearly thought that Liz would not be offended by the fact that he kept calling it his move.

[00:27:41] When I think that there was an obvious opportunity for Tevin to say, well, Liz, this was our move. We did this and we convinced Venus to think it was her. How great is that? Our move.

[00:27:53] You know, and that way there's joint ownership. That didn't happen. And I'll tell you, like you said, like, man, that Tevin, he is the performer. He was performing in confessional.

[00:28:03] He was performing to Venus. You can tell he was loving it. He was eating it up.

[00:28:07] Yeah, I'm super sad to see Tevin out of the game because I felt like that we were going to get him throughout the whole way. I really thought that he was like endgame material.

[00:28:18] I never thought that Tevin was the winner, but I thought that he was going to be like the person first person voted out in the finale that he was too big of a threat.

[00:28:26] He can't go to the final three. I really thought he was on that trajectory for the season.

[00:28:32] But he was just, you know, every time he was on the screen, you hung on his every word.

[00:28:39] Yeah, I mean, and I agree. And we got to see that from the very first episode.

[00:28:44] The cold open of the show is Tevin's narration of the very premise of the game, which is beautifully said.

[00:28:50] I mean, as soon as this guy started talking, I'm like, oh, I realized he was an actor.

[00:28:54] I'm like, oh, that makes all the sense of the word.

[00:28:56] I wish I had the ability to speak so clearly and plainly right at the at the issue like he does instead of taking five and a half hours.

[00:29:04] But that's my own. And but he's great at TV.

[00:29:09] I think it's just interesting the the the movie nests that's demanded by by him and so many people in this game that it's the final 10.

[00:29:21] It's the final 11. You don't have a big move on your resume now.

[00:29:24] You might as well pack up and leave it.

[00:29:26] Lynn said it so much. And that's an interesting dynamic for the season.

[00:29:31] Yeah, Christian. So we saw that Tevin was locked at the hip with the Andy Griffith Alliance with Hunter after tonight's episode coming into tonight's episode.

[00:29:44] I would have told you I thought Hunter was the number one pick on the board for the potential winner for the season.

[00:29:52] I think after tonight, I'm out on Hunter as the potential winner of the season.

[00:29:58] I think that we got to see Hunter actually have to play survivor for the first time tonight.

[00:30:05] And I thought it was bad. I think Hunter didn't go well for him.

[00:30:09] Yeah, Hunter, I think he is a dynamo in the challenges, but he might be a one trick pony as far as a survivor is concerned.

[00:30:17] Well, I think it's interesting. So like if I'm putting country's performance in context in this episode, he as far as he knew, thought that there was a plan going down.

[00:30:26] And he was told seemingly right before tribal that his closest ally was now the target, and he leapt straight into action.

[00:30:34] So clearly he valued this alliance instantly to the point where people thought it was strange that how he leapt into action, the body language, like he spotted it from across the speech across the beach, which good eye Venus.

[00:30:46] That something's happening.

[00:30:48] That was probably Venus's best work of the whole season. The body language read of Hunter.

[00:30:53] That's when I'll tell you when survivor seasons shine with players.

[00:30:59] It's when they each have their own little X-Men superpower that comes into play at the right time.

[00:31:04] Now, I don't think it's one was a particular import.

[00:31:06] I don't think it changed anything, but it was clear he just be lined over to this conversation.

[00:31:12] And that's that is sort of that's sort of like a mid level survivor school.

[00:31:16] I look I thought this was such a bad night for Hunter several mistakes.

[00:31:21] I thought to reference Q Angelinski first off, hide and go seek.

[00:31:27] OK, first off to go hide up in the tree like that.

[00:31:31] That was a horrible move of that.

[00:31:34] I mean, that of all the dumb things that like that were talked about of like, oh, Maria put a feather in her hair.

[00:31:40] That means that she's rep prone to camouflage.

[00:31:43] She's going to be somebody to watch out for all that stuff was nonsense.

[00:31:47] Except Hunter going up in the tree right out of like spy what was spy nest material.

[00:31:56] Horrible job there.

[00:31:58] Then effortlessly wins the challenge.

[00:32:02] And then what the hell was that?

[00:32:04] But then he was going to hold on to the pole.

[00:32:07] And like, I mean, I've been to a couple of places in Las Vegas where I've seen that trick, Christian.

[00:32:14] But that was way too showy in terms of like after you win the challenge,

[00:32:21] after you're already looked at as this challenge beast, like, look, it's it's one thing when Reid does it in does the split at the end of the challenge.

[00:32:31] This was a whole nother level.

[00:32:33] And then everything that we saw with that, OK, Q tells him what's going to go on with Tevin.

[00:32:39] And then he just blatantly like gives up the whole game and then is like in front of everybody trying to gather the numbers.

[00:32:46] And when the live tribal broke out, he sat there and pouted.

[00:32:50] He was the one he didn't you didn't see him going and talking to anybody.

[00:32:55] And one last thing, Christian.

[00:32:58] And maybe this is a good maybe this would have been a good move.

[00:33:01] Maybe not. Should Hunter play his idol for Tevin in that spot?

[00:33:06] I thought he was going to play going into this tribal.

[00:33:09] I thought that people were talking because the previews were talking about how great this tribal is going to be.

[00:33:14] It's like, oh, is he going to channel its inner Davey Rickenbacker and play the idol on his ally and therefore save it?

[00:33:21] Yeah. You know, I'm a fan of that move.

[00:33:22] I like that. I think it's a good one, especially considering last week he said, hey, if I feel anything, I'm going to play my idol.

[00:33:27] I'll go find another one. Yeah.

[00:33:29] So instead of, you know, channeling his inner Davey Rickenbacker channeled his inner Senya on a top from James Bond in the 90s, you know, on the show that poll.

[00:33:38] But that so like yeah.

[00:33:40] So I was kind of surprised that he didn't even clearly he didn't even clue in Tevin as to what he used, what was going on.

[00:33:46] Like he kind of said, OK, I'm guessing he must have been checked out and be like, Tevin's going home.

[00:33:52] There's nothing I can do.

[00:33:53] I'll I won't vote for him, but I'm not going to do anything to prevent this from happening at that point, which it's so uneven because he immediately left into action at the beach in a way that was, I think, ill fated.

[00:34:05] But the yeah, it didn't work at the tribal either.

[00:34:08] How did Tevin not catch wind of any of this? What was going on in the shelter that was so interesting for Tevin?

[00:34:14] Well, even at the live tribal, I was talking to Emily about this is like, you know, it's kind of amazing that the whole live travel happened.

[00:34:20] All these revelations are being thrown out and people are having big reactions and Tevin seemed entirely unaware that he was still a target all the way through that.

[00:34:30] We got we have we have a shout out in the chat from good old Davey.

[00:34:36] It's good to have you. Good to have you here. He appreciated the shout out. Yeah, yeah, he did.

[00:34:39] So sorry. But but that's so I'm always have an opinion, Rob.

[00:34:44] It's a little bit of a side a side P for me. Look, it is people like to talk about how when they were blindsided, like, wow, it's amazing.

[00:34:53] I had no idea that I was about to vote it out. It's amazing. They just didn't tell you the plan.

[00:34:58] It's that simple. They just didn't tell you the plan. However, I will say if you go the way through a live tribal and all there's all this crazy shouting and you don't pick up on anything,

[00:35:06] that is a bit of skill or or lack thereof on one end or the other, I think at that point.

[00:35:12] But like so, you know, good as them keeping it secret somehow all the way to the vote.

[00:35:17] Yeah, I wondered only because the Tevin when he was like, you know what?

[00:35:22] I'd like to leave tonight and Tevin was the only person was like, he's a grown man.

[00:35:26] He can leave if he wants. Yeah, go ahead.

[00:35:31] No, no, I'm sorry. That's actually a great point because one these are actually good reads.

[00:35:36] I think that it's hard to pick up on in the moment.

[00:35:39] But if you train yourself to recognize them, they can be helpful in these games of deception.

[00:35:43] One, if no one seems to be arguing for the thing that makes sense to you, like why not just let this guy go?

[00:35:50] Then maybe they're all in on a plan that you're not in on.

[00:35:53] Why is he the only one who's arguing for this? Why not?

[00:35:56] And he has kind of full teeth. Get anyone else to agree.

[00:35:59] Well, I guess maybe we could get rid of you. I guess he's a problem.

[00:36:02] I forget you say that. That's number one. Number two.

[00:36:05] If like he when he's going up to the voting booth, he's like, I'm so confused.

[00:36:09] I have no idea what's going on. What's going on.

[00:36:11] If you are confused, you're probably not in on the plan and you're probably going home.

[00:36:15] Like just if you just feel generally confused, like, wow, I guess everyone else is kind of clear on what's going on.

[00:36:20] I guess I'll just do whatever. You're probably the target.

[00:36:23] Those two things together. And I've talked to other people on the show.

[00:36:26] They had that same experience and just at tribal.

[00:36:29] People are talking about things that don't make sense to you thematically or plot wise to you.

[00:36:34] That's a red flag. OK, let's bring it back to Liz and give her credit for this move, this blind side for having Liz.

[00:36:45] You know, she said that she is embarrassed. I haven't played.

[00:36:49] I mean, Liz, don't be so hard on yourself. Give yourself some grace.

[00:36:52] You've only been to one tribe or I guess two tribal councils.

[00:36:55] And so but it's, you know, plenty of time left still for Liz.

[00:37:01] And she says, OK, I got to take out Tevin.

[00:37:05] Now, Liz does not have many allies in the game.

[00:37:09] I mean, she really only had Tevin and Hunter and Venus who she came into the merge with.

[00:37:14] But she's ready to be a free agent. Yeah.

[00:37:18] I guess I agree with you, Rob.

[00:37:20] I mean, like the movie this is taking over the season to the point where like like it's OK.

[00:37:27] There's only been this is the first vote where you all get the vote to go for a person.

[00:37:31] This is like the actual merge. You know, in effect, this is the actual merge in terms of voting.

[00:37:37] This is your first one. It's OK.

[00:37:39] And I think and I wonder how the meta is going to work out this season.

[00:37:43] Is everyone going to be so obsessed with having the move that if you're one of the ones who doesn't,

[00:37:48] that you're basically toast?

[00:37:49] Or are the people who have a little bit more, you know, hold their fire, keep your powder dry a little longer,

[00:37:55] be able to come get to the end and win?

[00:37:57] Well, Christian, in a way, did Q do Liz a huge favor where that had Tevin gone out in this move

[00:38:03] and then people would have said, well, whose idea was this? It was Liz.

[00:38:05] Can you believe it, Liz? We thought she was nothing. Look at her.

[00:38:08] She's making moves like, well, she's obviously got to go next.

[00:38:12] And Q really did change the narrative coming out of that tribal council to where that Liz could now like she hit her target.

[00:38:20] And now, like, like speaking of hiding in plain sight, like a Gabler, could she go down back down under the radar?

[00:38:28] I would normally say that's a great thing for her that she got the move she wanted to do.

[00:38:34] Was it a move we can question the wisdom of that move?

[00:38:37] It's sort of layers of questions, Rob. There are layers of questions.

[00:38:41] Was it the right move to do? If she did the move, is it good to have the credit taken away for you or you keep it?

[00:38:46] Is it good that Q did this? There are layers of questions.

[00:38:49] I would normally say that it's a good thing for her that she got what she wanted and doesn't have the blood on her hands in the same way.

[00:38:55] She's not going to be blamed as long as she gets enough credit by the end.

[00:39:00] Yeah.

[00:39:01] It's fine. Yeah.

[00:39:03] And so he takes up all the oxygen, and that's great if you want to be under the radar.

[00:39:08] Yeah, and I'll say I do think this was a good move for Liz.

[00:39:10] I don't know if she knows all the reasons why this was a good move for Liz, because it seems like that.

[00:39:16] Now, I thought coming into this week where my head was at was, OK, there was the six.

[00:39:22] Tim screwed it up from Q's perspective.

[00:39:25] And then I kind of thought that Maria was going to be collateral damage.

[00:39:29] I thought they were going to come back. Well, Maria knows about the six.

[00:39:31] We got to take her out.

[00:39:33] We never got to see the conversation with Maria of, hey, what happened to Tim?

[00:39:38] But somehow there must have been a conversation between Maria and presumably Q.

[00:39:43] It's like, Maria, don't worry, Tim.

[00:39:46] He was he got he was tainted.

[00:39:49] You're still in the six. We need a replacement from you.

[00:39:52] You get to pick who it is.

[00:39:53] And then Maria must have been on board with that.

[00:39:56] But Liz did not know about the existence of the six.

[00:39:59] We do not believe so if she's not in the six and she's firing into the six, I don't think it matters so much.

[00:40:06] Whereas I thought it was a bad move for Tevin to take out Soda.

[00:40:10] I think it was a good move for Liz to take out Tevin.

[00:40:13] It's interesting because like I was going based upon her stated reasoning.

[00:40:17] And maybe I think that's what you're saying.

[00:40:18] The difference between her stated reasoning was I don't think it was that strong.

[00:40:23] I mean, I do think she needs to do, you know, make a name for herself.

[00:40:28] I don't think it had to be this move.

[00:40:30] But I think that where we're sort of omniscient and can see the board, I think it was a good move for Liz because she's taking out a person who is in this invisible power structure that she doesn't know about.

[00:40:42] Yeah, I think that that helped that that is that is helpful.

[00:40:45] And I want to go back to your sort of analogy of how funny it is that like, well, Tim, Tim was a bad was bad.

[00:40:51] You know what? It's like it's like the like the evil bad guy boss in a movie who kills off a henchman because they failed them.

[00:40:59] And Charlie gets to be the new henchman.

[00:41:01] Aren't you lucky you get to be the new henchman that takes their place like like Darth Vader strangling the building.

[00:41:07] You got a promotion.

[00:41:08] And so there there is that element.

[00:41:14] And I love the how Charlie had the the obvious perspective to say this alliance sucks.

[00:41:21] And it's like it clearly is not going well, whatever's happening.

[00:41:25] So it's glad. So it's good that she got rid of that Liz got rid of someone.

[00:41:30] I think where I was going with that.

[00:41:32] Yeah. Charlie has gotten so much these last couple episodes.

[00:41:36] He really seems so well positioned that I think on my sort of like unofficial winner rankings that Charlie has really shot up as a potential winner of this season.

[00:41:48] Yeah, I always thought when I was watching Carly's whole season, I got the sense that, you know, I'm an edgy guy.

[00:41:55] I'm not an editor guy. The only thing I can sort of say is that when I'm watching the show, am I being shown things that are trying to portray someone in a positive light and earned?

[00:42:05] You know, he's a charming, charming guy.

[00:42:07] They show his jokes that work and they're good.

[00:42:11] And then people laugh at them. And he's generally well liked.

[00:42:14] And I think position wise, he's great. Like right now, like he's part of that.

[00:42:18] So sort of you're editing the show backwards from this point.

[00:42:21] He's now in a great spot. And like with it with his three Sega three, the Sega three could take control.

[00:42:26] Similarly, I would also say Kenzie, Kenzie, Kenzie and Tiff together.

[00:42:31] I think those two are great spot. And Kenzie had a lot of not as much content as Charlie this episode, but Kenzie has some very clear stated reasoning about what she wanted to do this vote and why and how this positions her relative to the rest of the game.

[00:42:46] And that's just me saying like me as a viewer, I have some insight as to her greater positioning and what she wants to do in this game.

[00:42:53] Those are the two I'm looking at just as of this episode, Charlie and Kenzie.

[00:42:58] I'd love to talk about the challenge in this episode.

[00:43:01] Now we know that at this point in the season, day 16 in the new era, we don't have to say since when anymore that we like to bring in the rice negotiation and Jeff was looking for four people to step out of the challenge to sit out to get the rice.

[00:43:22] And I loved what happened that they didn't get it.

[00:43:28] Sorry.

[00:43:31] I have one note for this whole whole challenge. I'm a simple man of simple taste. I like whiteboards robots and Jeff probes committing acts of violence against rice.

[00:43:43] And I didn't get my third one today. I would be my one note for this challenge that's needed to stab the rice.

[00:43:49] I think you suggested we blow Stephen said Stephen said that Jeff should have shot the rice.

[00:43:55] I thought that the rice could have been on some sort of like detonator and Jeff could have had some sort of like trigger in his hand like, OK, you got 10 seconds.

[00:44:06] And then if I don't get four people, the rice is going to go kablooie.

[00:44:10] OK, 10, 9, 8, several, 6, 5, 4, 3.

[00:44:18] Several will be will be I think he's writing part of the lexicon of the show.

[00:44:22] For sure. If you want to tweet that.

[00:44:23] Yeah, go on.

[00:44:24] OK, Christian.

[00:44:26] All right. So did the survivors though?

[00:44:29] I love that Jeff didn't give it to them.

[00:44:31] Did the survivors call Jeff's bluff?

[00:44:33] Is the rice going to reemerge at a later date?

[00:44:39] Jeff on the On Fire podcast.

[00:44:41] I haven't listened to this week's episode yet, but he has talked about all through the last three seasons of On Fire.

[00:44:48] We talk to nutritionists.

[00:44:50] We talk to scientists.

[00:44:52] How far can we push it?

[00:44:54] How long can we go without giving them rice?

[00:44:57] The nutritionist says day 16.

[00:44:59] That's when you got to give them the rice.

[00:45:01] They didn't give them the rice on day 16.

[00:45:03] Now, can you talk about that?

[00:45:04] They're well fed.

[00:45:05] Will they give them the rice eventually?

[00:45:10] I think yes, but they will at least give the appearance of having a greater price for it.

[00:45:16] I think that that's what they will do because price going up.

[00:45:19] It's going to happen.

[00:45:21] They're going to take votes away.

[00:45:23] I mean, think about I think about back in Cambodia, survivor Cambodia.

[00:45:27] They had this terrible rainstorm.

[00:45:29] They're going to give them a shelter.

[00:45:31] They had to give them a shelter because it was Cambodia rain like monsoon like rain.

[00:45:35] And they're like, OK, people have to step out and people just did it at some point.

[00:45:39] If it becomes desperate enough, they will do it.

[00:45:41] And from a show standpoint, yes, they want the authenticity of people starving on a show called Survivor.

[00:45:47] They get that we get plenty of that.

[00:45:49] But if people get starving enough, they don't do things.

[00:45:51] They just lay around.

[00:45:52] I mean, remember, I remember the end of Survivor of the Australian Outfit.

[00:45:56] At some point, they just laid around camp.

[00:45:58] What are they going to do?

[00:45:59] So they want things to happen.

[00:46:01] They'll just be at a bigger price.

[00:46:02] I think they will.

[00:46:03] I will. You did mention, Rob, that this is the new tradition as always the same.

[00:46:08] There's either a negotiation or not a negotiation.

[00:46:10] Whatever it is, it's always the same.

[00:46:12] One thing I do want to circle back to touch on traditions in this new era.

[00:46:16] Yes, I was trying to look through who gets voted out at this stage of the game in this new era.

[00:46:22] You know what? I have tenure.

[00:46:24] I can spend some time in Excel writing down who got voted out in which season, whatever.

[00:46:29] I look for patterns.

[00:46:30] This could be a superficial pattern.

[00:46:32] But at the final 10 of all these new seasons, the person in the largest tribal alliance goes home.

[00:46:41] Basically every so here we have the most NAMI.

[00:46:44] And so again, it's just NAMI goes home.

[00:46:48] Well, in the last season, the blue tribe, I'm trying to remember the name of the blue tribe, the one Kelly was on.

[00:46:54] Yeah, Bellow.

[00:46:56] Yeah, Bellow.

[00:46:57] You go back all through 41.

[00:46:59] Someone at the final 10, someone from the biggest tribe goes home.

[00:47:02] Now, I don't think this is magical.

[00:47:03] It could be a little bit cherry-picky.

[00:47:05] Yeah.

[00:47:06] So I think that it's interesting that so in the first couple seasons of the new era, they did the split tribal council at 10.

[00:47:14] And so I think Nasir was that person in Survivor 41 who was part of that biggest group.

[00:47:24] And in 42, they did it also at the split tribal council.

[00:47:29] So I think the split tribal councils are a little hard to figure.

[00:47:34] They're confounding factors, but it still kind of holds because either Roxroy or Chory went home or it would have been Roxroy at the tribal council.

[00:47:41] Is James Jones that person in Survivor 43?

[00:47:44] Yeah.

[00:47:45] As was Ryan, who was on the same tribe with him.

[00:47:47] The only confounding factor is that Evie went home on the second tribal council of 41 for that.

[00:47:52] Anyway, so who was not in the biggest alliance at the final nine at that point.

[00:47:59] But that's a little bit of a confounding factor.

[00:48:01] But I certainly see a trend at this part of the game.

[00:48:04] People tend to pick off someone like, that tribe, you know, we have too many people.

[00:48:10] We can afford to eat one of our own at this point.

[00:48:13] I think that's if I were to generate a hypothesis from this data that I put together, that's not confirmatory, but it's exploratory.

[00:48:21] That's one thing I noticed as maybe kind of an emerging sort of trend in these new three tribes and one tribe season.

[00:48:28] Yeah. Also probably more likely that a person from the tribe with the most numbers ends up going out from a sheer probability standpoint.

[00:48:36] I looked into that a little bit as well.

[00:48:38] That makes a lot of sense. I was thinking of that.

[00:48:40] But like, there's also just easily they have the numbers.

[00:48:42] Why not just pick someone else from one of the smaller numbers?

[00:48:45] Anyway, I was thinking about this a little bit.

[00:48:47] So statisticians send your hate mail to me over Twitter.

[00:48:50] But back to your question.

[00:48:52] Let's talk about we're talking about the challenge.

[00:48:54] Right. So we will get will they get the rice?

[00:48:56] I think they will get the rice at a future date at a greater price.

[00:48:59] Yeah. Fun challenge.

[00:49:02] I thought these last two challenges have been fun.

[00:49:04] Have you enjoyed the banter with Jeff these last two weeks, Christian?

[00:49:07] Yes, I do. I do.

[00:49:09] I want more banter, especially amongst the players.

[00:49:13] And I thought last time we got we got Charlie, you know, basically being his inner Jim Halpert at these challenges, which I think has been great.

[00:49:20] I mean, I think I saw someone say he's like Jim Halpert.

[00:49:23] I'm like, yes, the way he interacts with characters is very Jim.

[00:49:26] And in the sense that you have characters who take themselves very seriously.

[00:49:31] You have to taking the alphabet game or whatever extremely seriously last week.

[00:49:35] And you have someone who just intentionally throws off the game, just like they're like like like they're Dwight from the office.

[00:49:40] Could be a fun Twitter thread of a recast the office with Survivor forty six.

[00:49:45] Yeah, for sure. I mean, and even this little bit of sort of the Jim mugging for the camera this episode.

[00:49:50] I caught that little he kind of looks at the camera during the hide and seek.

[00:49:53] You know what he's doing? Yeah.

[00:49:55] I mean, he's been a really great narrator.

[00:49:57] And I also think he has the thing that you see in a lot of people who do go on to win the season in that he is sort of like the everybody's rooting for him.

[00:50:04] In the challenge, like when Charlie is hanging up there, there's not one person that's on the bench like, oh, come on, come on.

[00:50:11] Let's go, Hunter. Like, you know, everybody they're all laughing at his jokes.

[00:50:15] You know, he has the thing where and maybe he ends up being like he's too likable, but he has that real likeability factor that everybody in the tribe is is rooting for him.

[00:50:28] Yeah, I think that shows more and more, I think throughout the season.

[00:50:33] And it's something I always just clocked on way back in the day.

[00:50:39] Like, I remember when I was watching Cochran in his second season, when he spoilers, he wins his second season.

[00:50:46] But at the end, I remember that that he's a funny guy.

[00:50:52] I met the guy in real life, extremely funny.

[00:50:55] And they'll show him to tell a joke in that like I have tribal council and they will explicitly cut back with a wide shot of everyone laughing at Joe.

[00:51:04] And that doesn't mean like, oh, this is a winner's edit trick.

[00:51:06] I'm not an edgy guy.

[00:51:07] But I think it's just I think what it's showing was the general ethos of him out there.

[00:51:11] People thought he was funny, just like people say and find Charlie funny.

[00:51:15] And one thing I will also say for Charlie, and this might be a good, I don't know, other confessional strategies.

[00:51:21] I don't feel like it feels a little bit meta, but he does a good job of making reference in his confessionals and match up with Jeff.

[00:51:29] The things that have happened around camp.

[00:51:31] And when you do that, that allows the production to tell a story that wraps these things back around.

[00:51:37] A few episodes back, he's talking about they're doing the salsa dancing, right?

[00:51:40] And he's being charming with salsa dancing.

[00:51:42] And then right before he goes to tribal council makes a joke about the salsa dancing no more salsa.

[00:51:47] Right. That's a tool that they now the editors have material.

[00:51:50] To tell a story that wraps camp life into the greater strategic product.

[00:51:54] He did that at the challenge when Jeff said, hey, we need somebody to sit down.

[00:51:57] He's like, Jeff, we play hide and seek and it's competitive.

[00:52:02] 100 percent.

[00:52:03] And there's no prize.

[00:52:05] This is a wonderful episode for Charlie.

[00:52:07] Not only to go off on and on about Charlie, but like he had such great contact in this episode, even good strategic content when he was talking about getting up early.

[00:52:16] Yeah, that's a great strategy.

[00:52:19] This is like and I'll give him a little extra tidbit on top of that.

[00:52:23] Getting up early is great.

[00:52:25] It's easy to accidentally sleep in because you don't have an alarm.

[00:52:28] But that's because people one thing I noticed when I was out there, people often pull their buff over their eyes so that way they get a good night's sleep.

[00:52:37] I never did that because I wasn't clever.

[00:52:39] And so as a result, I was woken by the very tiny, faintest little bit of daylight.

[00:52:45] And so I would always be up early.

[00:52:46] I'm not normally an early, really early riser.

[00:52:48] So I think that's a there's a lot to what he's saying.

[00:52:51] Yeah, yeah.

[00:52:52] He really has Q snowed as well.

[00:52:55] It's the biggest blind spot, I think, in the game for Q is that he has underestimated Charlie.

[00:53:01] He even says that, you know, OK, the problem could be that, you know, Charlie could try to do something smart.

[00:53:08] But he also says that, you know, Charlie doesn't have that killer instinct.

[00:53:13] And as we see Charlie saying like, hey, these plans always go awry.

[00:53:17] And he had the great line of am I what goes awry?

[00:53:20] That's a good line.

[00:53:23] And and yeah, it's a good one.

[00:53:25] And I think that it's it's we're lucky that he was injected into this alliance of six at some point so we can comment on it.

[00:53:34] Because at some point, we as an alliance member had to be like this five alliance of six to keep voting people out of it or talking about voting people out of it.

[00:53:41] This is a bit absurd.

[00:53:42] You need Jim Halpert to tell you that it's absurd.

[00:53:44] Yeah, that way you don't feel crazy.

[00:53:46] It's a great analogy.

[00:53:48] OK, a couple of other things and then we'll get to your questions.

[00:53:52] OK, the hide and seek game.

[00:53:54] OK, what did you think of the meta?

[00:53:57] We're taking a book QNV Ness.

[00:54:00] We're really going to learn a lot about our characters by how they play hide and go seek.

[00:54:07] I love people being creative in explaining what's happening and drawing greater metaphors.

[00:54:14] This was a bridge too far for me.

[00:54:16] I'm sorry to say that it's just when it goes into armchair psychoanalysis, I'm like, can we can we not?

[00:54:23] You know what it reminds me of?

[00:54:25] This is a bit of a reference to another show.

[00:54:27] You watched the squid game, the challenge.

[00:54:29] Yes.

[00:54:30] Yes.

[00:54:31] Yes.

[00:54:32] And I sat through the whole thing.

[00:54:35] I could have been spending time with my wife and dog.

[00:54:39] I was watching this and I and there's a point where they're playing rock, paper, scissors.

[00:54:45] I remember it well.

[00:54:46] Yes.

[00:54:47] Rock, you know, it's the epic most epic way to end your TV show.

[00:54:51] And like men always throw rock.

[00:54:55] So I know the throw out paper against this man.

[00:54:58] I'm like, OK, I'd like to see some research on this.

[00:55:01] Yeah.

[00:55:02] I'd like to see some citations, please, on this.

[00:55:04] And that's what I feel about this.

[00:55:06] And the show, I think at least this should like a lot of small bits.

[00:55:10] Well, it's good game.

[00:55:11] The challenge pretended like this was great insight from from the mouths of scientists.

[00:55:15] This one is in the from the mouths of no offense intended.

[00:55:18] Q and it was meant to be a bit laughable and funny that we're kind of in on the joke.

[00:55:25] But like, OK, let's let's kill on.

[00:55:29] Also, was this entrapment by Q?

[00:55:31] He says, OK, everybody go hide and then I'm going to see who's hiding in plain sight.

[00:55:36] I was going to say, I think more appealing.

[00:55:38] It's like we're behind and see because like, oh, you know, he decided to hide.

[00:55:42] Big mistake.

[00:55:46] And the reading into it is always so the cherry picking selection of it.

[00:55:50] Like what was it? Tiff had a buff on her head, red buff on her head.

[00:55:53] See how sloppy she is.

[00:55:55] Yeah, sloppy.

[00:55:56] She didn't care to play hide and seek.

[00:55:58] It's it's like it starts to order.

[00:56:00] It was super fun.

[00:56:01] I loved it on the show.

[00:56:03] But OK, a little bit of a stretch.

[00:56:06] It was a fun sequence to be clear.

[00:56:08] I thought it was fine.

[00:56:09] But there was a part of me that was thinking.

[00:56:10] All right. Last thing before we get to the questions.

[00:56:12] OK, Q demonstrated the brand new piece of apparel that's going to be sweeping the nation, maybe the world.

[00:56:22] The Q skirt.

[00:56:23] OK, Christian, the Q skirt, of course, that it is basically you tie it at the waist sweatshirt.

[00:56:32] And now you don't have to worry about having some sort of a satchel or a backpack.

[00:56:39] Now you can keep all of your stuff right where you need it dangling in front of your very sensitive areas.

[00:56:50] So basically, do you like fanny packs?

[00:56:55] But they're just too fashionable.

[00:56:57] You could do and you wish they weren't so tight and holding your belongings.

[00:57:01] You could have the skirt.

[00:57:02] Yeah. And I think and I think I think there's something to work with here in the sense that it is basically this this sort of sad flap of hoodie in front of your area.

[00:57:13] And and it could be folded somehow to elicit the shape of a Q.

[00:57:18] It's called the Q skirt.

[00:57:19] I think that it won't be always a letter Q.

[00:57:22] Is that is that what it's going for?

[00:57:23] Is that sort of like the.

[00:57:25] I look at my I would never deign to tell you how to brand zone apparel that is not as his department, not mine.

[00:57:33] He's a real estate guy can sell things right.

[00:57:36] So and so but but in my humble opinion, the average the average person which are marketing would not correlate a dangling hoodie flop in front of your pelvis with Q from Survivor.

[00:57:50] So I think that you're going to call it the Q skirt needs to be something that invokes you the letter Q something where we're all familiar with maybe in terms of how it's folded or just embroidered whichever you want.

[00:58:02] Really just the pendulum of like if I have my keys in my phone in the Q skirt, I feel like I'm limited to a certain speed that I could walk.

[00:58:11] I feel like that the pendulum factor is going to be an issue.

[00:58:16] Yeah, there's that.

[00:58:18] I mean, I'm trying to think about other aspects of apparel.

[00:58:21] I mean, I'm not.

[00:58:23] You know, brace yourself, Chakar.

[00:58:25] I'm not up on the latest fashion.

[00:58:27] I'm at least one or two seasons behind.

[00:58:29] But there maybe there are accessories that are known for how they flounce and jounce and move like purse perhaps, you know, maybe there's maybe they move or sway or they don't sway.

[00:58:43] You know, so many clothes are known by how they sway.

[00:58:45] Tim, Tim Gunn has told me so.

[00:58:47] And so maybe there's some way to engineer how this way so it is.

[00:58:52] So I don't know.

[00:58:55] Maybe if my hoodie like has like a string, I could really like tie the front of the Q skirt so that my stuff doesn't fall out.

[00:59:02] Maybe that's also helpful.

[00:59:05] Perhaps I think it's not losing your stuff is good in it.

[00:59:09] But overall motion, maybe there is some allure to it.

[00:59:12] I won't pretend to know.

[00:59:14] Okay.

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[01:00:51] All right. We have so many questions from the audience.

[01:00:54] Okay, let's start to get into some.

[01:01:00] Let's take as many as we can before Taryn gets here.

[01:01:03] Okay.

[01:01:04] Philip has a question.

[01:01:06] Dr.

[01:01:07] Hubecky as possibly the most logical contestant in survivor history.

[01:01:11] How much has it melted your brain talking about the most illogical episode ever seen?

[01:01:15] Can we do something to help?

[01:01:18] Well, that is a high compliment, sir.

[01:01:20] But that's a it's kind of you.

[01:01:23] But I think you'll see from Rob and I talking about it.

[01:01:26] It's fascinating.

[01:01:28] Like just because people aren't making moves that maybe Rob or I might make.

[01:01:33] That doesn't make it fat and that doesn't make it any less interesting to break down.

[01:01:36] What was this person thinking?

[01:01:38] Were they kind of on the something?

[01:01:39] At what level do we disagree?

[01:01:41] Are they actually secretly right?

[01:01:43] That's the most interesting stuff to peel apart.

[01:01:45] I think that while I am skeptical as to whether or not this will turn into some grand winning maneuver for someone like you in this case, there is something interesting.

[01:01:58] And I'm glad that there are people who want to break the mold.

[01:02:01] And I actually wish there were more people who would actively reject the meta of what people have done before.

[01:02:09] This is a this is not entire.

[01:02:11] This is not just literal chess pieces where some things are objectively bad moves.

[01:02:15] They put you in checkmate.

[01:02:16] This is a political game and politics are dictated by voters who are swayed by any number of things.

[01:02:22] There are I think there's a whole world of other ethoses.

[01:02:25] I don't know what it is that you could have on a season of Survivor that if enough people played like a queue or enough people played like Venus, you know that the best way to play would be entirely different than what we.

[01:02:40] Eventually consider to be good survivor.

[01:02:42] Yeah, I think that this is a really interesting point.

[01:02:45] And again, I do like I think that a lot of the stuff that Q has done this season is wild, but I love that he is doing it.

[01:02:53] And while I really feel like that at this point in Survivor history that we have done a great job and the show has done a really great job of addressing the diversity of the casting.

[01:03:06] I feel like in terms of the style in which people play the game, there's not a ton of diversity in the new era.

[01:03:13] And I think that 18 people approaching the game with 18 very different approaches, I think is the most interesting version of the game.

[01:03:23] Absolutely.

[01:03:24] We do.

[01:03:25] It's the and part of this is the Internet.

[01:03:27] Part of this is, I guess, I guess, I guess in a way our fault people everyone listens.

[01:03:31] Everyone listens to this podcast, Rob.

[01:03:33] So when you say something is a good move, they all go out on the island.

[01:03:35] They do that thing.

[01:03:36] So, you know, so so so what you need to do in part of your obviously everyone, everyone does that.

[01:03:43] But the game has been homogenized like this is a smart move.

[01:03:46] Even Jeff.

[01:03:47] Yeah, like I just made a lot of good decisions over the years.

[01:03:51] Some some I disagree with.

[01:03:53] But like one thing he did at the beginning of the season, he said, like one of you is going to be so unlikeable.

[01:03:59] There's no way you can win or something like.

[01:04:02] And like, which is kind of a weird meta take from the host of the show to bring up at such a pivotal.

[01:04:07] You picked them all to be on the show.

[01:04:09] You picked them all to be on the show.

[01:04:11] I didn't think about that.

[01:04:12] But like the idea, this canonized idea that, oh, there are survivor goats.

[01:04:16] Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was just a time where Boston Rob called Philip a goat in season 22.

[01:04:22] And then it became the word people use.

[01:04:24] I don't remember the history of it off to go check the Survivor Wikia.

[01:04:27] But now it's just canon.

[01:04:29] And I would love people to reinvent the game in weird and different ways.

[01:04:35] Yeah, well, I think that we see this in many other systems.

[01:04:38] And I think that money ball is a great example where, you know, money ball was an interesting and novel concept for the Oakland A's because they were the first team to do it.

[01:04:47] But now throughout Major League Baseball, like most of the teams or all of the teams adopted the same philosophy.

[01:04:54] And so that the first person to sort of zag while everybody else is zigging is somebody who's going to have a competitive advantage.

[01:05:02] And, you know, we are at a point where maybe and I don't think it's going to work for Q.

[01:05:07] But I think that some of the stuff that Q is going to do may be able to be adapted to for a future player to have success.

[01:05:15] I thought the idea of the plus one alliance was brilliant.

[01:05:20] And I think it could potentially have worked, but the execution was not ideal.

[01:05:28] That's what I hope that people get inspired by something, even if the outcome isn't good.

[01:05:34] And I think that this sort of inherent to a show like Survivor where you have to edit a show to tell the story of why a person won to some degree.

[01:05:43] Right. And I think it's best when the winner is not portrayed as having played a flawless game.

[01:05:52] You see all the things that they've done that helped them or did not help them win.

[01:05:57] And you see people who ultimately lost who maybe made a lot of good moves and maybe some things that did not help them win.

[01:06:03] That way you can pick out things from people who did not win or what did not seem successful.

[01:06:09] But you know, there was a nugget there that happens all the time in science and engineering.

[01:06:13] There are all kinds of flops of products and scientific ideas that didn't work out.

[01:06:17] But there was a kernel there that inspired someone else to take it and perfect it.

[01:06:22] And that I would love to see. So what you're saying is that somebody is about to perfect the Q skirt?

[01:06:29] The R skirt? You know, science has limitations, Rob, I'm sorry to say.

[01:06:34] But maybe, you know, it doesn't break any laws of physics.

[01:06:39] But I would say that I hope that people going out there are courageous enough and I think they are to break the mold.

[01:06:53] And I think in a way that they think is interesting that they have a hypothesis like as to how things go.

[01:06:57] I think Adam Klein is a good example of this. I know we got a lot of questions.

[01:07:02] He talked about how truth is power and survivor, which there are people who disagree with that.

[01:07:09] It's like, well, the survivors about deception.

[01:07:11] And these are competing hypotheses that are nuanced as to how the game works.

[01:07:15] And I'm glad someone went out there and tried to play a game like that.

[01:07:18] And I think it made some interesting points.

[01:07:21] Yeah, and we don't want to eulogize Q too early, but definitely he's brought a lot to the season.

[01:07:28] Okay. Connor has a question.

[01:07:31] Is Venus in one of the best positions right now?

[01:07:34] Since everyone around her is fighting and confused and arguably her biggest hater just went home.

[01:07:40] What did he call her? A poison copperhead?

[01:07:45] I guess that's redundant, but I guess so.

[01:07:48] But I think that certainly if I were looking at the pieces on the board, I mean, Venus, why would someone come for Venus right now?

[01:07:56] She is coming for them adamantly.

[01:07:59] I mean, she and I think that good for Venus, I mean, is a relative.

[01:08:05] I mean, good for surviving perhaps.

[01:08:07] But the way people talk about her, I feel for the woman because people are outright saying they don't like working with her.

[01:08:15] They're outright saying, can we just vote her out? Can we just get rid of her?

[01:08:18] That does. I mean, that would be a real lift to get to the end of the game and say, give me the million dollars.

[01:08:24] Yeah. Christian, Venus has been compared to so many different people throughout survivor history, so many different women.

[01:08:32] Do you see any Angelina comparisons?

[01:08:36] I mean, I can see how people would make Angelina comparisons.

[01:08:40] And I don't think I've seen that one anywhere.

[01:08:42] Yeah. I think that one thing that Angelina, I have to give credit for is that she was relentlessly creative in coming up with moves.

[01:08:53] And they were moves that I couldn't help out execute, I think was what the but she would be definitely always trying to make the moves and try to show that she was moving and shaking the game.

[01:09:07] I definitely see that with Venus like Venus, at least in this episode.

[01:09:11] Yeah, she in her in her mind made the move and wanted to tell Tevin about everyone knew that it was the case.

[01:09:17] She wanted agency. Yeah, I do think that there is something there, especially, you know, Venus.

[01:09:22] Like was like really attempting like she wanted to pull off like a three to one move last week in terms of, you know, and I could see in some ways, you know, Angelina wanted to really take the credit for the rice and, you know, getting rice for the tribe.

[01:09:38] So I feel like there's there's a little something there.

[01:09:41] Well, yeah, and maybe I'll in the nuance I'll throw on is just from someone who played with Angelina.

[01:09:46] Like there were moves you never saw that she was trying to pitch.

[01:09:49] There was a there was a time where when we in our season, we try to get rid of Alec and like, and Angelina was worried about the idol as is a reasonable thing to do.

[01:09:59] I knew I had the idol. So I knew it's that we could pile the votes on Alec and he would be fine.

[01:10:05] And we'd be fine. But I had to come up with some way to diffuse but she had this elaborate split book plan that she wanted to do.

[01:10:12] I forgot exactly the contours of it. I wish she would remind me what it was.

[01:10:16] I was like, wow, this is a really complicated plan.

[01:10:18] I don't think I get but it required me to like Marshall, you know, Carl and someone else would go one way and then Davey and Nick to go another way.

[01:10:27] It was just so complicated. I was like, this is going to blow up in my face and it's completely irrelevant because I had the idol.

[01:10:32] But she can't know that. So she does those kinds of moves like the three to one style moves.

[01:10:37] And I think that I think they have a similar view that I need to be seen making moves in order to get the respect at the end of the game.

[01:10:45] Yeah. Okay. Page has a great question. Does Tevin still go home this week if Soda is still in the game?

[01:10:54] Well, I mean, there was a lot of people who apparently want to get rid of soda.

[01:10:57] We're hearing more and more people who are constantly apparently wanting to get rid of soda.

[01:11:02] What's Liz saying? I've been saying soda the whole time.

[01:11:05] Soon we'll find out that what the gruesome twosome twins were saying soda the whole time.

[01:11:11] The unnamed alliance. Yes.

[01:11:13] The unnamed alliance with a name. So it would make sense that she would be a consensus target.

[01:11:18] Yes. So I think that Tevin would not go home if Soda was still in the game for a couple of different reasons.

[01:11:25] Not to pile on Tevin too much, but it does seem as though that, you know, okay.

[01:11:29] So if if Soda did not go home, what did they do at the last tribal council?

[01:11:34] Did they vote out Venus? Because it seemed like a lot of the impetus for what happened tonight was Tevin's reaction to Venus taking the credit and then being so tickled by the fact that Venus thought it was her that annoyed Liz.

[01:11:50] So I think that if Venus is out of the game and Soda is there, I don't think that that same thing ultimately ends up happening.

[01:11:59] Maybe maybe it's Tevin saying get rid of soda on this vote.

[01:12:02] If it was Charlie who went home at that vote, I also you know, I definitely don't think that it's Tevin who goes out at this vote.

[01:12:12] So I don't think it was necessarily that it was.

[01:12:18] I think it was more that he made a move.

[01:12:22] He peaked too soon, made a move too early, put himself out there on the radar and especially for somebody who's as charming and the social butterfly that Tevin is to see.

[01:12:32] Oh, he has game also.

[01:12:34] And that got out there.

[01:12:35] It really just amplified his threat level too soon.

[01:12:38] So I think that Tevin would not go home if Soda was still in the game, not necessarily that Soda would save him.

[01:12:43] I think that making this move too soon is what did him in.

[01:12:47] Yeah. And to give Tevin a little bit of grace from my perspective, from a 30,000 foot view, it's easy to say, oh man, that person made themselves a huge threat by doing blank thing.

[01:12:59] It is very hard to gauge your own threat level out there sometimes or how you're being received by the game and by people, by players in the game.

[01:13:08] I'm not sure this is necessarily a problem for Tevin.

[01:13:11] I think he knows he's charming or at least he knows he's socially equitable.

[01:13:15] But like if you don't know how you're going to be received by everyone, that people are going to like you, then you might think that you have to really play a great strategic game to have a chance.

[01:13:26] But by misunderstanding how you're perceived by other people, you can lead you into these sort of threat spirals where even if you survive some crazy thing and become more threatening.

[01:13:37] Just misunderstanding how people see you is a much more understandable mistake than being like, oh, why would you do that?

[01:13:47] It makes yourself a big threat too early. So I could see that how that sort of thing could crop up.

[01:13:51] Couple more questions. Fiona wants to know, is Tiffany in trouble now that everyone knows she has an idol?

[01:13:57] I mean, it's not a good thing that everyone knows she has it. I almost thought she was going to play it tonight.

[01:14:02] I thought so too.

[01:14:03] Yeah, I mean, I think that that conversation with Charlie, they cut it creatively and yet again, I thought that was a in terms of live tribals.

[01:14:11] I understood what was happening at the live tribal. I think that that is critical and actually made it exciting and dramatic.

[01:14:18] What happened at the tribal and I knew it was going down and they cut it creatively.

[01:14:22] So that way when she asked Charlie, am I still the plan? Cut the conversation.

[01:14:27] I'm sure Charlie said no, no, no. The queue thought it was, but it's not.

[01:14:31] And so it's not good. But I think that the close relationship with Kenzie is, I think, very helpful to her because Kenzie knows that if Tip goes, who does she have at that point?

[01:14:45] So maybe they can find a way to come up with what it's a game of nine. Right.

[01:14:49] You got three Seagas, you got two Yanus who didn't try to quit the game at the tribal council.

[01:14:55] That's and that's a five four. You could try to pull something like that together.

[01:14:59] For me, the thing that I have seen, the trajectory that I feel like is coming is I feel like that.

[01:15:04] I feel like that can the Tiffany and Kenzie pair ever link up with the Charlie, Ben and now Maria?

[01:15:12] Could they could they link up with Seagate at some point?

[01:15:15] We've seen the connective tissue is there with Kenzie and Ben.

[01:15:19] We saw them talking, throw Liz in that mix.

[01:15:21] Like to me, it feels like that there's something there with that six and maybe Venus as like now that's starting to be kind of a big alliance with maybe Venus sort of like on the very outer rings of it.

[01:15:33] But it feels like that the Q Hunter faction is in trouble now.

[01:15:40] Yeah, I would worry. It was happened too soon, I think.

[01:15:44] I think that now it's like, OK, now, like I almost feel like that those groups that I thought that group would come together in some capacity.

[01:15:51] But now like to do what?

[01:15:54] There's only like they're going to gang up on the two biggest threats.

[01:15:57] Yeah, I mean, so I mean they would would are they going to just what was the most immediate thing they're thinking about?

[01:16:03] One, the whole thing that Q did again.

[01:16:05] I think that's good for Liz.

[01:16:07] He shot the radar and people are going to look at Hunter Hunter who now lacks political power, but had such an amazing challenge performance.

[01:16:16] And I can sort of get in Hunter's head.

[01:16:18] I can sort of feel what he might feel like when you're out in Survivor and you do something like awesome.

[01:16:23] I got to feel that and like there's a little bit of a temptation to want to flaunt it.

[01:16:29] And I think that that's it.

[01:16:31] I think that he felt secure enough in the moment to do that.

[01:16:34] But now I think he's probably regretting.

[01:16:35] Yep. And then I think if Q goes next, then I think Hunter is going to say like, well, I got to Mike Holloway it from here on out.

[01:16:42] I got an idol and I'm going to win all the challenges.

[01:16:44] I think that's going to be everybody versus Hunter for a couple of weeks.

[01:16:47] And I think that he will parlay that into a fan favorite return in another season.

[01:16:52] I think that seems like a perfectly possible trajectory.

[01:16:56] The Survivor Facebook page is going to love it.

[01:16:59] And and how are and I guess I'm less clear and maybe I'm not as clear minded as what's going to happen with everyone else that remains.

[01:17:08] I know that someone like Charlie at some point is going to have to emerge as a power player and make some kind of move.

[01:17:18] Maybe it might be a little super late.

[01:17:20] I think some I think Maria could be and she's very savvy.

[01:17:23] We saw that with the with the original Jolinski journey like that.

[01:17:28] She makes some kind of move.

[01:17:29] I think Ben is very charming and likable.

[01:17:32] Like there was actually a moment I was watching this like, could that be the final three?

[01:17:36] Could it be Charlie, Maria, Ben?

[01:17:38] Definitely possible.

[01:17:40] And I mean, that's something I can buy and I could see them each of them making some kind of case.

[01:17:46] OK, all right, Christian.

[01:17:48] We have a visitor here at the podcast door.

[01:17:50] OK, Karen Armstrong has been very patiently standing by ready to talk about a Big Brother Canada eviction.

[01:17:57] Karen, it was such an electric night of Survivor.

[01:18:00] Yeah.

[01:18:01] Yeah. And you know what?

[01:18:02] You're talking about it with Christian without me.

[01:18:05] Big mistake.

[01:18:06] Oh, you were hiding.

[01:18:08] I couldn't find you.

[01:18:09] You were all the way in the bottom of the chat.

[01:18:12] That's a lot about how long it took you to find me is all I'm going to say.

[01:18:16] Yeah, I am sorry.

[01:18:18] Sorry. You had a good a good hiding spot.

[01:18:21] Yes, I love this episode.

[01:18:23] There's a lot of fun.

[01:18:24] Yeah, really, really good stuff.

[01:18:26] I enjoyed it.

[01:18:27] Yeah.

[01:18:28] Anything that you were seeing tonight, Taryn?

[01:18:31] I mean, my biggest question is where Charlie and Maria were with the whole process from when it was Tiffany to when they apparently decided to agree to the flip to go to Tevin and how that works for their game.

[01:18:45] Because from my perspective, it seems like it would have been better for them if the shot had landed on Tiffany.

[01:18:51] But there's a lot I feel like we don't know quite yet.

[01:18:54] Yeah.

[01:18:55] Interesting.

[01:18:56] Yeah.

[01:18:57] Like, I kind of feel like that it was that they felt the like the groundswell of people on the other side and they felt like that maybe that they would be going against that bigger that that group as opposed to like being a part of the majority.

[01:19:13] And Charlie said, I feel like I'm in an alliance of people I can't beat at the end.

[01:19:17] So I think that to potentially weaken that side, I think there was probably in his interest.

[01:19:23] But Tiffany is also in that alliance.

[01:19:24] So.

[01:19:25] Right.

[01:19:26] Yeah, I just I wonder like when's the next shot you're going to get at her, especially with that idol and the power that she has.

[01:19:33] I don't know.

[01:19:34] OK. All right.

[01:19:35] Well, Taryn, a lot of exciting stuff coming up on Big Brother Canada, I presume.

[01:19:40] It's been quite the week, Rob.

[01:19:42] I've heard a little bit.

[01:19:43] I've heard a little bit about the movie Massacre night.

[01:19:47] And honestly, that was that wasn't even the exciting part because things got even weirder from their big betrayals, big moves and a lot of movie.

[01:19:57] A lot of movie in every step of sense of the word, Christian.

[01:20:00] OK. All right.

[01:20:02] Taryn standing by.

[01:20:03] He's going to have a big brother Canada recap coming up right after we wrap this up.

[01:20:07] All right. Thanks a lot, Taryn.

[01:20:08] OK. Thank you.

[01:20:09] All right.

[01:20:10] All right.

[01:20:11] All right.

[01:20:12] Christian, anything else that you want to highlight tonight?

[01:20:14] Well, I mean, I think that it was a great episode.

[01:20:18] And I'm just making sure there's nothing in my notes that really popped out other than the all of the conditions under which Christmas will be canceled.

[01:20:25] Yes.

[01:20:26] I mean, we have we there are so many conditions by which Christmas is under assault by Q.

[01:20:31] I mean, Chris, I mean, Christmas will be canceled if anyone who likes Aubrey gets too far in the game.

[01:20:37] Mm hmm.

[01:20:38] Done.

[01:20:39] So if anyone hangs on a pole, if anyone hangs on a pole longer than Hunter Christmas canceled.

[01:20:45] And it's so monkeys keep keeping them off those poles.

[01:20:49] You never know.

[01:20:50] And there's yet another piece of next episode of a Christmas cancellation.

[01:20:55] Yes.

[01:20:56] Christmas was not canceled through either World War.

[01:20:59] What could it be?

[01:21:00] I don't know.

[01:21:01] Kevin in the chat says is Q's ultimate goal to cancel Christmas?

[01:21:04] I'm starting to think he may be the Grinch.

[01:21:06] He's a mean one.

[01:21:08] It's a mistake.

[01:21:09] It's so so I love how it is.

[01:21:12] It is his metaphor for anything absurd or or or or or not good happening is cancel Christmas.

[01:21:20] Yeah, like you got your episode title.

[01:21:22] You're good.

[01:21:23] You can you can use a different metaphor.

[01:21:25] OK, all right.

[01:21:26] Look, and if you think we're not going to have Christian back for another Survivor podcast next season, you could cancel Christmas.

[01:21:35] OK, oh, there we go.

[01:21:37] Thank you for Survivor 47 roll.

[01:21:39] Yes.

[01:21:40] All right.

[01:21:41] Oh, man.

[01:21:42] Let me talk about what else is coming up here on our HAP.

[01:21:45] All right.

[01:21:46] We've got all of our Survivor podcast.

[01:21:49] I mentioned exit interview, Stephen Fishback tomorrow for the Know It Alls Fridays.

[01:21:54] I do the Survivor feedback show with the patrons.

[01:21:57] Those have been so great this season.

[01:21:59] If I can brag about our patrons for a little bit, I'm sure it's going to be another good one.

[01:22:03] We had we did about two hours straight of calls from the patrons.

[01:22:07] Everybody called in with really interesting takes.

[01:22:09] Looking forward to it this week, of course.

[01:22:12] Why blank lost the BNB at some point?

[01:22:15] Shannon's going to get home after her whirlwind trip.

[01:22:18] And don't forget about the Purple Pants podcast with the baby boy.

[01:22:21] And on Thursday after the Survivor Know It Alls, I'm going to jump over into our patron discord live after the podcast to chop it up with the patrons right after the Know It Alls on Thursday afternoon.

[01:22:32] Something new we're trying over on our HAP.

[01:22:35] Then also, what do we got coming up?

[01:22:38] Oh, Dandy. Christian, I know you got the briefcase before the season started.

[01:22:42] Have you been keeping up with Dandy?

[01:22:45] I have not been keeping up with Dandy.

[01:22:48] So yeah, as you're implying, I got a marketing briefcase advertising Dandy.

[01:22:53] So some influencer manager is very upset with me for not following the show, I think at this point.

[01:22:59] But I have to bring you in here today.

[01:23:00] It's been really fun, of course, as the aforementioned Boston Rob doing Boston Rob things over on Dandy.

[01:23:08] OK, the circle is back, Christian.

[01:23:10] And did you happen to? Yes.

[01:23:14] OK, I'm sorry, Emily, just getting a note from Emily.

[01:23:17] Yes, I got a note from Emily.

[01:23:19] She's like Emily listens to all the podcasts on Dandy.

[01:23:21] She came into the podcast studio here.

[01:23:23] Let you know that. Yeah, we've had a lot of fun myself and Jenny and Chappelle over on Dandy.

[01:23:28] It's been a really fun ride so far.

[01:23:30] Christian, the circle is back.

[01:23:32] And did you happen to see that this season on the circle that AI is playing against the competitors?

[01:23:41] I feel like I try to leave my work at my work at work and my home at home.

[01:23:44] So I did not notice this.

[01:23:46] This is interesting.

[01:23:47] Were they chat GPTing against each other?

[01:23:49] Is that what's going on here?

[01:23:50] I think there's some sort of like chat GPT.

[01:23:52] People have said it's been very fun.

[01:23:53] Even Taron said he thought it was the best.

[01:23:56] The circle's been in a minute.

[01:23:58] Oh, that's great.

[01:23:59] That's great to hear.

[01:24:00] I mean, it sounds like an interesting premise.

[01:24:01] I haven't dove into that one.

[01:24:02] I'm still finishing up Devil's plan at this point.

[01:24:04] So I can't you and Stephen Fishback.

[01:24:06] OK, all right.

[01:24:07] And then check out the challenge All-Stars.

[01:24:11] Allie is away this week.

[01:24:13] Happy birthday week to Allie Lasher.

[01:24:15] But Allie and Brian, they're on video this season.

[01:24:18] They're talking about the challenge All-Stars and Survivor 35.

[01:24:22] And then we have HHH's own Rourke Luskin is going to join Brian Cohen to talk about the challenge All-Stars.

[01:24:30] Episode three.

[01:24:31] So be on the lookout for that as a podcast and our YouTube channel.

[01:24:35] And then I mentioned it on Thursday afternoon after the know it alls.

[01:24:39] I'll be jumping onto our patron discord, one of the perks that you get when you become a patron of Rob as a podcast.

[01:24:45] I will be talking there on the discord and then, of course, make sure you subscribe to the podcast.

[01:24:52] I think what I'm going to do, I haven't done this before yet, Christian.

[01:24:57] I'm going to stick around and answer your comments on YouTube for a little bit.

[01:25:03] So you got questions still about the show.

[01:25:05] Stick around for another.

[01:25:07] I'll stay up for a little bit.

[01:25:09] You know, half an hour or so.

[01:25:11] And I'll answer your comments.

[01:25:13] Yeah.

[01:25:14] You're on our YouTube video.

[01:25:16] Fantastic.

[01:25:18] That's great.

[01:25:19] So real engagement, Rob.

[01:25:20] That's what you got there.

[01:25:21] All right.

[01:25:22] So we appreciate you hitting that subscribe button and like as well.

[01:25:25] All right, Christian, in addition to tenure catching up on the devil's plan, what else is coming up for you?

[01:25:30] Oh, so I so I am I am easing into the summer now.

[01:25:34] So but now one thing that's fun about about 10 years is I still doing my old professor job and still teaching, doing research.

[01:25:42] But, you know, one thing I really love doing that, as you know, is science outreach.

[01:25:46] So I'm I've been doing some some Twitch streams, which have actually been through half gaming, but also half, you know, me talking about coding and lectures.

[01:25:54] That's been fun.

[01:25:55] And joining.

[01:25:56] Yeah, I've been joining you and others for Blood on the Clock Tower as well.

[01:25:59] That's a fun social deduction game.

[01:26:02] I think your friend in mind, Dwight Moore, is doing a great job running.

[01:26:06] He's killing it.

[01:26:07] Yeah, I think he's on his way to being the number one blood on the clock tower influencer.

[01:26:12] Wow.

[01:26:13] I think I think he's on the on the fast track to that.

[01:26:16] So I'm happy to ride on that right on his back for that hype train.

[01:26:20] Well, Christian, you were on fire tonight.

[01:26:22] We got a great episode to talk about this time flew by.

[01:26:26] So I always appreciate when you make time for us.

[01:26:28] So thank you so much.

[01:26:30] Thanks for checking this out.

[01:26:31] We're really looking forward to talking with Tevin on Thursday.

[01:26:34] And then also we will get into our survivor know it all's big Thursday coming up here on Robyn's podcast.

[01:26:40] Thanks for being a part of it should be a really fun week.

[01:26:44] Take care. Everybody have a good one.

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