Today, Rob Cesternino (@RobCesternino) is joined by Ben Katzman (@BKdegreaser69) to discuss his time in Fiji![00:00:00] Hey everybody, what's going on Rob Cestronino back here and we're ready for another Survivor 46 post-game interview. Today we're going to be talking with Ben Katzman. Ben I think is an interesting person to talk to after the season is over.
[00:00:17] Ben is somebody who talked a little bit about how he kind of got lost in the edit and had more of a story to tell so that's the perfect opportunity for something like this.
[00:00:28] We can hear a little bit more about what Ben had going on in his game. Of course, this is the fourth of the post-season interviews that I have done so far. If you missed my conversations with Charlie, Liz or Q so far, you could see them all at
[00:00:44] RobHasAwebsite.com or on our YouTube channel at RobHasAwebsite.com slash YouTube. So let's bring in my conversation with Ben. Hey Ben, what's going on? So excited to get the chance to talk to you here after the season is over. Ben Dude, this is so sick.
[00:01:00] I'm honored to be here. Look at us chilling hard virtually. Ben We're going to yeah, we're chilling, we're shredding, we're ready to go. What have you been up to? I saw that you went to go to Taylor Swift overseas. Ben It was so sick. Yeah.
[00:01:18] Charlie and I, after a year or whatever how long it's been, I managed to get us on the guest list for Taylor Swift in Liverpool. So we made a trip out of it with our girlfriends and then we also saw Liam Gallagher the next day. Ben Oh wow.
[00:01:36] Charlie and it was like, first I was like trying to take it all in at Taylor Swift and everybody knows the words and it's a whole spectacle. But it was like very tame compared to the next day because yes, Oasis is like a
[00:01:51] pop rock band, but like we saw them in their hometown of Manchester. So the pit was very active the whole time. And like I had this amazing video of people sloshing and screaming and Charlie's just standing like in the wave.
[00:02:05] It was the time of my life at Rift. I'm so interested to know you. I was listening to your preseason interview with Mike Bloom also and you talked about some of the things that were, you know, in your mix tapes and things that were
[00:02:18] going to help you in the game. Did any of the things that you were, you know, jotting down whether they were from Sam and Frodo or Master Splinter? Did any of that stuff end up being useful for you? Well, the night of my first like night terror.
[00:02:33] And I don't know, like it wasn't like a night terror, but it was like we moved to that new beach and instead of sleeping on bamboo or in sand, we're on the dirt. And the old beach at Seago was tucked away from the ocean.
[00:02:46] So it was like the fire, everything felt super insulated. We're at the merge. Everything was like super cold. So I had all the elements coming at me. I was super uncomfortable and I was shook like my body shot up. I didn't realize it was winter. Nobody told me.
[00:03:02] So all I had was like a thin denim jacket, you know? Anyways, point being, I'm up by the fire the whole night. I can't sleep. And I'm thinking about that scene where Splinter is projecting himself
[00:03:14] to the turtles and he's like talking about using your emotions as a tool and all that stuff. And I think of all the quotes, like our cast was so insane. You had like the Secret Six being so thinking they were running the show in front of your face.
[00:03:32] And I even remember there was that scene from Cool Runnings where they're like, look in the mirror and tell me what you see. I see pride. I see power. I just kept trying to like, you know, keep it together and remind myself
[00:03:46] who I was and all those like pop cultural touchstones have always been in my mind. And I would say that mixtape definitely gave me a little bit of fuel. No pun intended with Metallica there to keep going. But any night I couldn't sleep.
[00:04:01] That's kind of what I tried to focus on. And, you know, they didn't show that deleted scene with Charlie. It's not even the least they did. But Charlie and I had so much salmon, Frodo energy and one liners throughout
[00:04:14] the entire game on the last night, which was like, again, I don't know. I can't watch it objectively, but yes, I got some anxiety. But what was shown was real, maybe a milder version of it. But like, I had never experienced that type of like internal physical insanity.
[00:04:36] And on the last night, I had my worst nightmare and Charlie comes down to me because remember would like Frodo was like losing it on Mount Doom. And Sam's like, I might not be able to carry the ring, but I can carry Frodo.
[00:04:51] Charlie pushed, he like pulled me over his back. And then he carried me up the stairs back to like the tent we had. And then we went to sleep. It was like there were so many good. Wow. On night 25.
[00:05:05] And that was on night 25, which was like it wasn't really about the game. I think, you know, before the merge, there wasn't a lot of food, but we had like papaya and stuff. But I didn't eat from the merge feast to the pizza reward.
[00:05:18] And I was like a vegetarian up until like two months before the show because I got cast pretty late, you know? So I only started eating meat. I was on tour of Europe like a month before I went to Fiji.
[00:05:31] And it was then when I started eating meat and trying to like bulk up. So my body, I think just was like not prepared for that physical insanity. And it's like, I even say it in the edit. It's like I can rationalize why this is happening to me,
[00:05:44] but I feel like my mind and body are separate. I couldn't control my body. And it was like intense, you know, it was very started affecting me mentally. But yeah, that happened on the last night, you know, when like
[00:05:57] you shouldn't be celebrating and chilling hard because all the poses have been voted out, you know what I mean? Yeah. All right. Well, Ben, I want to talk a little bit about your game and something that we heard from some of the players talking about you was
[00:06:13] that players seem to like, you know, two or three people said that they felt like that you didn't talk a lot of strategy with them. Do you feel like was that accurate or there were just certain people you did not want to talk strategy with? I don't know.
[00:06:28] You know, I I'm pretty sure I know who you're quoting. It's probably Maria. But the weird part about that is I'm going to try to not sound like I'm talking crap, but like we are talking about the game.
[00:06:42] And I feel like the gem also with somebody else who said that. Well, I'd be the only person that I don't think I ever sat down and talk strategy with and maybe like Hunter, but like Hunter was a challenge beast and he was in the six.
[00:06:56] And while the six was happening, I was like, who are they not talking to? I'll go link up with them. But starting at the beginning, yet it was like before the merge, the gem was like kind of like snapping at me a little bit.
[00:07:12] I had like the first conversation I had with her. I was talking about astrology and she was like, guess my zodiac sign. And I correctly guessed she was a Sagittarius. And like it was like she gave me this look like I clocked her gameplay,
[00:07:26] which is such a trivial thing. Can you do that? Can you guess people's zodiac signs? I need to talk about that. But Jess had Scorpio energy. Oh, yeah, I can do it sometimes. I don't I'm not a psychic, you know?
[00:07:37] Yeah. But Jen was talking about being a visual merchandiser. And she was telling me, do you know me? I don't. But let give me till the end of the interview and I'll figure it out. But Jen was like kind of playing hard on like day one, day two.
[00:07:52] And I wasn't you watch those secret scenes that are on YouTube. Now I was the first one to throw her name out there. And we're tight like this now. But like I wasn't the only one who noticed that Gem was playing hard,
[00:08:05] especially around the time that we were digging the tree. And so like I didn't feel the need to talk strategy too much. A, because we were winning, right? Not first place, but we were safe from those tribals. But B, I felt like we all kind of understood
[00:08:23] Gem would slit our throats at the merge, you know? And she had snapped on Tim. She had kind of snapped on Charlie, not like these crazy overt like but like just enough when you know somebody is like they're not vibing with you 100 percent the way you would like.
[00:08:40] And and with Maria before the merge, we were really tight. That's like a misleading thing about the edit is like she had told us about Charlie's angels on like five minutes after it was formed. She's like, you know, they're trying to form an alliance.
[00:08:56] The girls and we have Charlie in it, but I'm not sure I want to work with them. And it kind of made me and Tim look like we were clueless to what was going on. But like it couldn't be the furthest thing from the truth, you know?
[00:09:09] But I also felt like how much strategy can you talk if you know who you vibe with? I told Charlie, Maria and Tim, I I I fuck with the all, you know? And I'm also like you look at the downsides of talking too much strategy
[00:09:28] when there's nothing to talk about, which is what happened. I think at Nami, when you see all those secret scenes, they're always talking strategy and then it's like they all start turning on each other as they're all started to get suspicious. And I'm like a chill dude.
[00:09:41] And when we got to the merge, I didn't I knew people were going to start playing hard or it was going to be time to flip. I just didn't think it was going to be as vicious as it was.
[00:09:53] And like I can't objectively view our season the way somebody at home will. But watching it back makes it look way cleaner than how it felt on the island. There were so many more twists and turns from that merge feast to Moe going home
[00:10:09] than it just clearly being Moe. Like when I'm watching them, like everybody looks super clean. I'm like those confessionals look like they're from the next day after this was all said and done. But yeah, I the lack of strategy thing.
[00:10:23] It's like there is a truth to that in the sense that like after Maria had kind of, you know, told everybody I had an idol and became distrustful, that secret six, which wasn't so secret, was really comfortable with each other. They didn't talk to Liz.
[00:10:39] They didn't talk to me. They didn't talk to Venus because they didn't take us seriously. I remember even one time I was cool with a lot of these people. I remember trying to talk to Tevin. I was like, so what do you think is happening?
[00:10:49] Knowing he wasn't going to like include me in the six. But he just sat there. He's like, I don't really know. I'm like, you must think I'm like a total idiot if I can't see this. But at that point I was just like, I'm at the bottom.
[00:11:03] I do click with people. I can work with Tiff to in a capacity. Sega is dysfunctional. But I had this like game plan of like, let me put all the dorks together. You know, myself included.
[00:11:16] And that's what I wish the storyline of the season was is that the final four, which was like Kenzie, Liz and Charlie and me were not taken very serious by any of the quote unquote serious contenders.
[00:11:32] And it kind of made it look like Kenzie was a bit of a lone wolf or that Liz was this irrational person with the Applebee's. But like we did talk a lot and we just knew people were blinded by their
[00:11:44] own arrogance, and that is exactly how it played out to you know. Yeah. Well then. I was getting a lot of that. No, no, that was a lot there. And that was all good information that unless you have anything else
[00:11:58] from the pre-merge like we can jump ahead to talking about when you all got together. Yeah. Well, it's like the only thing I'll say about the pre-merge and there's that secret scene that's on YouTube is that like we did have a lot of fun.
[00:12:14] It was great, you know, like even when Jim was like when I was digging the tree and she'd be like, I don't think Ben is digging. Maybe he has the advantage or the idol and have like amp bites all over my arms.
[00:12:26] I'm like, this girl's throwing my name. And then Tim clocked her, you know, but like we when we didn't know that she had the idol going home, like it wasn't confirmed. It really did raise some serious suspicions.
[00:12:39] And it's crazy that that wasn't enough of a storyline to make the edit. And I get why they got to tell the story of the Yonah three, but like that huge splintering of Siga at the merge was really based
[00:12:53] a that, you know, Maria threw Tim under the bus to Q, which we didn't know till we watched the show. And then Q had told Tim on his journey that he thought I got something from the journey with Bono,
[00:13:08] which is like great gameplay on Q to just stir shit up. But like there was this serious level of mistrust, but in my mind, we had been inseparable and I felt like, I know I'm good. I know I don't have the idol.
[00:13:22] I just didn't expect it to be turned on so hard to the point where even at like final tribal, I was being called a liar about the idol, you know? So it was a recurring theme for me the whole time.
[00:13:34] But if you want to jump into the merge, let's go. Yeah. OK, let's jump into the merge. And so you guys go to the merge atory and you're part of the group that ends up being safe, which is nice. Yeah. And so I suspect
[00:13:51] you didn't want Mariah to go home, right? I didn't want Mariah to go home. And I knew that we would need to throw somebody someone's name out there in hindsight. We shouldn't have been hesitant at all
[00:14:03] like the crazy part about merge atory is that both votes, the Yanu three are safe. And we have got to the merge before we threw Mariah's name out. And I don't know. It's like we were very tight as a SEGA five.
[00:14:20] Even if we weren't hanging out the whole time, I didn't realize people would clock it so easily. But we got to the merge and like everybody in Nami was willing to throw each other under the bus like Tevin immediately throw in Venus under Venus
[00:14:35] already willing to sacrifice people. You know, I think Liz and Hunter were like the chillest ones. And I was like, oh, there's winter. That'll be easy, you know? And when we got to the feast, there was this whole thing like y'all need to throw out a name.
[00:14:51] We throw out a name and Q was pushing for them. I'm like, he doesn't have to throw out any names. And I thought Q was like so obviously stirring like a lot of drama up with his fake rumors about idols and all this stuff.
[00:15:02] I was like, I thought everybody was going to immediately clock how insane Q was. He really had a hold on all these people for like two, three, maybe four days. And yeah, I didn't want to throw Moe's name under the bus,
[00:15:17] but I knew it might have to happen. And in the way it did happen was not shown. It was like we left the feast. I think it was going to be Venus or Soda. And Charlie was like on a journey or a confessional.
[00:15:31] So Charlie wasn't around for like when the feast initially broke up and everybody at the table didn't know that Moe was left out of the vote until Charlie got back to camp and Charlie gets back to camp.
[00:15:44] An accidently says to Tevin is like, oh, yeah, Moe was left out. And Tevin goes, oh, that's the crack that we need to find in Siga and started going around. And I mean, it was great on Tevin's part. I give him props for like finding that entry point.
[00:15:58] I just didn't think it was going to be Siga after Siga. And yeah, it did not rock as I might say rock. OK, so Mariah ends up going home and then you end up kind of in a tough spot here when you go to the split vote.
[00:16:16] And ultimately it could have been you. Total. It could. It ends up being Tim. Well, the funny thing about that. I've talked about this before, but. I knew when Tim came up to me and he was saying Hunter, I'm like,
[00:16:31] there's no way like Hunters in the sixth, the fact you're not willing to turn. Are you knew about the six at this point? And how do you know? You told me as soon as you got back from the journey that you threw Maria's name out there.
[00:16:43] And it's funny because it's like for a lot of people that did the pre interviews. I know you listen to the Mike Blum one. Yeah, almost everybody put their foot in their mouth. Tiff with her idol, Jim with her idol.
[00:16:55] You know, Tim said I won't reveal who my number one is. I'm going to have a public number one and a secret number one. And him and Maria were close before the merge. So even in that clip when she said Tim wasn't even my number three.
[00:17:09] I'm like, that is so insane compared to how we would hang out all day and they would bond over parenthood. And those two talked a lot of strategy like I don't buy that line whatsoever. But I knew about the six because Tim told me and Tim was like,
[00:17:25] I don't want to throw your name out there. And we had a ready fuck like you did not fuck with me before that journey. Because I would go over to them after the challenges and just try to keep your head in there like sorry,
[00:17:37] didn't get this one, maybe the next one. And Q would never look at me. But if Tim would go and do that, Q would respond to Tim. And I'd be like, I don't think Q fucks with me, you know? And he did it.
[00:17:48] So I wonder if Tim would have said that you were his number one. Would that have changed things? I think about that sometimes and I think it could have. But when it comes to talking about that alliance, which is like the worst alliance in survivor history,
[00:18:05] they might as well be called the jury because that's what they became. Is like, is like the jury six. Yeah, the jury six. And believe me, I wanted to make that joke when I got told the time. Mm hmm. Q couldn't take his foot off the gas.
[00:18:20] He really had this shot at controlling the game and nobody was really questioning him. And he got really power hungry. You see it in that episode with the hide and seek. I think even if I was in it, he would have blown it up
[00:18:33] and started turning on it because he turned on tip. He had no problem doing that. You know, he turned on Tevin and Hunter like. So I don't know if it would have made a difference. I think the only difference it would have made
[00:18:44] is people might have had a different perception of me going in, you know. But according to Tim that, you know, Q already had the idea. I had the idol. So it wasn't to even we were at the split vote that I like emptied my bag and showed Q.
[00:19:01] I had nothing. And then the story after Tim went home is that I played my idol on myself to send him home. Like there was a lot of reason for there to be distrust because, you know, who was that for? Huh? Who was that story for?
[00:19:16] Who were they trying to convince? Oh, I mean, Maria was the most easily convinced. I think she ate that thing hook, line and sinker. When you watch the secret scene that's on YouTube, it's like, you know, here's two facts.
[00:19:32] I like Q was telling people I had an idol. I saw him do with my own eyes the moment we got to the merge before that second split vote. I went up to Maria and like, Q's telling people I have an idol. And Maria goes, well, do you?
[00:19:45] And then we got told lockdown and had to go to the challenge. That was the last thing she said before that split vote. So I'm like, he already got to her, you know? And when I got back to camp after Tim went home,
[00:19:57] nobody talked to me for like maybe like over one night, like the course of two days or something like that. And it was rough. Like Venus would walk around be like, so do you have an idol? Nobody wanted to talk strategy with me.
[00:20:11] I like, you know, it was like I just got thrust into the bottom, but it felt very personal. Like people were calling me a liar. It was and then, you know, you watch the show and that's not even a storyline.
[00:20:24] It's like hard to kind of accept what happened. You know what I mean? Yeah. So at this point in the show, this is when we first see you have those panic attacks at nighttime that is that when they first started happening?
[00:20:39] And do you think that there were before the split vote? OK, when Tim was still in the game because it was so funny. It's like I woke up and I like, you know, Kenzie was there. But Tim was also there goes past my bed, you know, like
[00:20:54] and that it rattled me, but it wasn't really gameplay. I was still super excited to be there. You know, like, but it did pick up after Tim went. But it wasn't so intense until a little later on, you know.
[00:21:09] And even when that was happening, you know, they show it in this way where I'm like a victim and like maybe Kenzie needs to hold my hand. I like went out of my way to not be a burden
[00:21:19] and I would make jokes about it like when I woke up and like the truth is, regardless of how it's portrayed and I am grateful, Kenzie was my friend out there. It wasn't her story. First off, it was mine. And a lot of people helped me through that.
[00:21:35] Like it's kind of what brought that final four together, like Charlie would stay up with me, Liz would stay up with me, Venus would stay up with me and the cast, the rest of them,
[00:21:46] none of them checked on me or asked how I was doing, you know, like. And so it happened. But like I would make I would laugh about it. And it wasn't like me crying all night. Yes, I definitely cry a lot.
[00:21:59] I know I got the tears of the season. My new album is called Tears on the Beach. But it really started picking up after Tim went, but it wasn't something that I felt was so detrimental to my game. And like I really did suffer.
[00:22:14] But like you see it in the show. I'm still yelling and having fun in the challenges. I'm still smiling like I didn't have like a meltdown or snap at anybody about it. Like I was still so stoked to be there
[00:22:27] because I was like this will end at some point, you know, like this too shall pass. But yeah. All right, so Tim ends up going out and did you know it was going to be Tim? Were you going into that tribal council thinking it could have been you?
[00:22:44] I knew that there was a chance it was me, but the writing was on the wall. Hey, Tim and I were walking around Sega. And I think Tim really thought it was going to be me or Hunter. But I already knew Q loved Hunter.
[00:22:57] They had the Mississippi thing. I saw it in pre-merge, you know, Kenzie was really cool with Hunter. Hunter is also a great shield, great at challenges. And he's a lovely dude to be around, you know, and people like Hunter are great
[00:23:10] to have in the game for at least that portion. And I think what wasn't shown is like a lot of people were trying to split me and Tim up before that vote anyways, because it's like we were singing
[00:23:21] brotherly love all the time and clearly laughing and having a good time. But again, Tim went on a confessional right before we went to tribal. And like when Tim was going and talking to the camera, I saw them all hanging out in Canoodle in it.
[00:23:36] I had the writing on the wall and it's like we were on the boat. I don't know if this is going to get cut, but. As we're leaving camp to tribal, I constantly am silent screaming at Tim. Play your shot in the dark, shot in the dark.
[00:23:51] I think Tim thought I was saying, should I play my shot in the dark? But I was like, I was on the wall. Like even in that challenge where we're all balancing on the water, they show like 10 seconds of it.
[00:24:03] But Tim shouted out everybody's significant other, their cousin, their parent, their dog. It was he gave away that he was cool with everyone, which is like a survivor faux pas, you know? And I remember sitting there being like, wow, Tim is chilling with everyone.
[00:24:20] And now they all know. And at tribal. He, Jeff, the master that he is has Hunter and Tim going at it, pitching their case to the Yanu three for like what felt like at least a half hour. And Tim's like, I'm social on this. I'm a good number.
[00:24:39] Hunter's a beast. He's going to win all the challenges. Then Hunter would be like, I'm willing to flip on Nami. And after 30 minutes, Jeff goes, Ben, what's your pitch? And with the second he asked me what my pitch was,
[00:24:52] it's like it was clear he was putting Tim on this like social pedestal and giving like these smoke signals. And Tim didn't take the bait. And then like before we went to vote, he asked Tim, what did he take away from his journey?
[00:25:05] And I was like, see that we like, oh my God, like he's like asking Tim as if this is like an exit interview or something. Because if you're a survivor super fan, you're reading those cues when you're watching it as the eyes.
[00:25:18] I was reading it in the front row, you know? And I was brotherly love. It was it did not rock. It did not rock. But I had did I had told Tim, player shot in the dark. He just felt safe, I guess, you know?
[00:25:33] All right. So when Tim goes out, OK, we have the next vote ends up being the Tevin vote. Yeah. Was this sort of like the first time like these people who are the quote unquote misfits get together to make something happen? No, not at all.
[00:25:52] But it's the beginning of it. And we had a day off between when Tim went home and when Tevin went home. And that was the day nobody really talked to me, right? It was like I was isolated. That's like when Charlie and I became really close again.
[00:26:06] Like it was like confirmed our friend, like our that we're working together. But. That day off was hide and seek. And I just like hid really well because I just like nobody was really talking to me. It was like really hard to go through. And the next day.
[00:26:27] Like Liz came out of the woodwork and wanted to have that move to send Tevin. I was like, OK, Liz is a player. Liz said I was really hard to read because I was going through it and didn't want to talk strategy for a bit.
[00:26:40] It wasn't I didn't want to talk strategy that day. I just was so in my own feelings, you know? But Liz comes over to the Sega three and Maria is like, I'm willing to work with you. Do you want to work together in this dysfunctional way?
[00:26:52] She didn't say it was dysfunctional. I did. And we got through that vote. And it wasn't the first time that those like the final four really came together. But like that day after Tim went home
[00:27:06] and Q sent all those rumors around, I was seething to get Q out. But I knew if I said to you, if I said something, people would think I'm a rat. It was kind of like, you know, when Cochran was on the outs
[00:27:18] in South Pacific Redemption Island, like, you know, you're at the bottom, but if you try to make a move, nobody's going to take you seriously. So I kept my mouth shut and I was like, I'm just going to wait for the opportunity to appear
[00:27:28] because I clocked Q being insane right away. And I was cool with Kenzie and I also think side note. And I'm going all these tangents. One of the reasons I didn't go home over Tim was because Kenzie won immunity
[00:27:40] and me and her were becoming really close around that time. And I remember, I remember she was like, give me one reason you shouldn't go home over Tim. I said, my jury fits, duh. But I'm also like, at some point you're going to have to flip on Yanu.
[00:27:54] And so me and her were cool. But yeah, the Tevin vote, I was just waiting. Like I knew Kenzie wanted to flip on Q but couldn't do that because everybody had the numbers. Liz all of a sudden is like, I want to take out Tevin.
[00:28:09] She was cool with Q at the time. But then at that tribal when Q did that whole moral high ground thing and ruin Liz's game, then I was like, OK, now Liz hates Q. You know what I'm saying?
[00:28:20] Then I was finally like, OK, there's people I can talk to because when I tried talking about the game to Tevin he didn't want to talk to me. And it's funny because even at that tribal when Q was doing his whole speech, I kind of told Tevin
[00:28:32] I was like, man, it would suck to feel secure tonight trying to signal him. But of course he thought I was a goat so he wasn't going to listen to me, you know. And and that was the first time I felt like, OK,
[00:28:44] maybe I can get some ground in this game and start putting some people together. And that's after the Tevin vote next was Hunter. That was one like the night terror started picking up. And then I was starting to really bond with Liz
[00:28:58] and it just kind of came together naturally. Starts with a rant, but it's like I lived it. I have to contextualize it. No, it's all good. In that Tevin vote when Q says, all right, I'm ready to go home tonight. I didn't believe it for a second.
[00:29:12] Yeah, you seem to say a lot in that tribal council. I don't have the exact quote in front of me. I think you said it was one of the stupidest things that ever happened. I said, I don't care for the shenanigans, you know,
[00:29:23] you don't care for the shenanigans. Right. Well, I so something that wasn't shown before we got to tribal is that Q didn't want Tevin to go home. And something happened with Liz or he told where Liz told Hunter what the plan was and Hunter was Tevin's number one.
[00:29:38] It was kind of like that office episode where Michael Scott, like, isn't in on the plan. So he creates a bunch of false rumors and everybody traces it back to Michael Scott. Like a lot of people were starting to get pissed at Q before the tribal happened.
[00:29:54] And obviously the rumor of Tiff's idol is coming out. So I felt like Q got the idea that he's like people were mad at him. And rather than being voted out like a fool, he wanted to take this high ground and pretend he wanted to quit.
[00:30:09] I mean, he kind of just did the same thing in his pickleball match with Tyson. If you watch the post game interview, everybody Q and I are very cool. So it's like we were cool in the game, but we'll get to that.
[00:30:21] But in that moment, I was like, he just doesn't want like his ego bruised, you know, he doesn't want to not know what's coming. So I just felt like it was the most full of shit move I'd ever seen, you know. Yeah.
[00:30:33] So what were you thinking when everybody is like moving around at the tribal council and talking? Everybody was talking about throwing Q's name out. I said, absolutely not. Like Q's got to I think I said in the edit,
[00:30:45] like Q's got to work from the bottom and reap what he says. And to me, I was like, finally, like I can get some people against this dude that sunk my game maliciously. And like, you know, what wasn't shown
[00:30:58] is that I worked with Q on a few moves. So like, I think it was around the hunter vote or the Tiff vote. I said to Q, I think it was the hunter vote. I said to Q's like, listen, a lot of people want to get you out,
[00:31:10] myself included. But I know like if you're a survivor player, it's better to have a distraction in the game than to like just throw out people one by one, you know. And you watch all those tribals every time before we vote, I say the meanest,
[00:31:26] like harshest thing I could about Q and everybody bought it. And I had shook my hand with Q and said, Q, I'm not a dick to you like you're going to go home because people know I'm mad at you the most
[00:31:39] more than Liz at Applebee's because of the whole fake idol rumor that was going around. And yeah, I was like kind of stoked. I was like, hell, yeah, I did. And I didn't feel like so much anxiety about it after it sucked for Tevin.
[00:31:54] I did like him, but also like, I'll never forget trying to talk to Tevin about the game. He just stood there and mm hmm. I was like, oh, OK, it's like that. Like you couldn't even sell me like a fake plan
[00:32:04] when I knew he was going home, you know, like. Can you talk about what happened with the hunter vote and where you were with all of that? Because at this point, the SEGAs are on the same page. Yeah, you got potentially Tiffany and Kenzie working with you.
[00:32:27] Yeah, I mean, we were Venus to I was cool with all of those people. I was cool with Hunter, but not in like a game play. But like after that vote, they were like ridiculously pissed at Q and they knew Q did not like me.
[00:32:40] They did not know I'd shook hands with Q yet. But I was like, I was like, the most insulting thing to Q would be his two number ones hanging out with somebody who he can't stand, you know? And I knew Maria wanted to tiff out
[00:32:53] and something that wasn't shown at the hunter vote that I felt like was essential for my resume or whatever was like I have been trying to get Kenzie to flip on Yannu forever. And Kenzie had come up to me at the water well
[00:33:05] being like, Tiff has an idol. I want to turn on Tiff. I'm ready to play this game. And I had talked to Charlie. I said, I told she was like, who should I talk to? I said, I don't fuck with Maria, but I think we could do this.
[00:33:18] And I had told Charlie and Maria that Kenzie was willing to flip. And but like if Kenzie goes to them to act surprised for like my own jury management, right? Instead, the edit just shows Kenzie running to Charlie Maria like I had no plan.
[00:33:32] But if Kenzie hadn't come to me, we couldn't have delayed that Tiff vote and blinded Kenzie at the next vote because I was like, we got to get Hunter out now. And even in the edit, like every time I have a confessional
[00:33:44] in those episodes, I'm clocking what's going on. So I'm like, I'm not an idiot. I knew I was in the game being played. But I just felt on a personal level. If Hunter can somehow survive this vote
[00:33:58] and he's been chilling at these challenges, what's it going to be like when he feels the heat and really has to save himself? He's going to win all the way to the end. And I really think Hunter was capable of doing that.
[00:34:10] You know, so that's why I was like, he's got to go. And especially when you know somebody has an idol publicly, you can deal with that at another time, I think, you know? And I also knew Maria had it out for Tiff.
[00:34:22] Like I don't know what her beef was, you know, I guess she threw her name out, but it's not like Maria didn't throw her name out. And at this point, I was like, wow, Tevin first Tim. Now Tevin now Hunter.
[00:34:36] Like this six is the worst alliance in history. And it was like the other thing too, Charlie was in the six at that point, but I knew they didn't take him seriously. And I knew he was making his way into these like power dynamics.
[00:34:50] And that was the great thing about like being a goat and having that perception. It's like Charlie and I could talk freely and nobody would care about what we were saying because they didn't feel like we were a threat.
[00:35:00] So we could just watch them take themselves out one by one, you know? Yeah. All right. When we have the vote where Tiffany ends up going home, was that a hard decision for you to vote against Tiffany with voting with Maria and with Q
[00:35:19] and having a big threat like Tiffany go out? I liked Tiff. I think at that point when you're in that point of the game and the game is so crazy, there's a real lack of like cohesive strategy. Everybody's like shooting from the hip and I'm like not sleeping.
[00:35:38] It wasn't tough for me. I really did like Tiff, but I was more concerned about like Liz and Kenzie and Charlie being in the game. So to me, anything to keep my threats or as allies, as allies, you know,
[00:35:52] I was like, I'm a bigger fan of South Pacific Redemption Island. Any of those seasons where there's a strong alliance that moves together and then dukes it out later, I'm like a fan of. And I also like for everything that I'm telling you, I'm clocking the game.
[00:36:07] I knew that with the Q smoke screen and all this stuff, I would have to rely on my jury speech because everybody I was playing the perception that I was an idiot. Like, I think they all thought I was writing Q's name down every time
[00:36:23] when I said Q's going home and everybody who went home with the blind side had no idea what was going on. So when they got to Ponderosa, nobody was going to say that there was a smoke screen because they didn't really know, you know, like.
[00:36:35] So I knew I didn't have a real chance of winning unless I got to tell my story. It's like it's that kind of thing. You can read the room. I felt like it was probably going to be like Charlie or Maria's game
[00:36:47] to win at that point in the game. You know, that's that's where I was. So it sucked to send Tiff, but it wasn't like she was like my closest friend out there or something. Did you play any part in getting Liz to vote for Tiffany? I might have.
[00:37:05] I like I just remember I know Kenzie was left out of that one. I think like that's where it's a little bit of a blur. I just know that like people were coming to the Sega three at that point. Like what are y'all doing?
[00:37:19] Like nobody had the plan to break up the Sega three for a few votes. So I felt safe in that dynamic. So I can't on that part, I don't really remember so much. And I think the other thing too is Tiff. Was after Applebee's right? Yeah.
[00:37:38] Yeah. So Liz was like, piss, dude, she was going to be down with whoever. I'm pissed. For her, you know? Yeah, because we're like what? Like 11, 12 months removed from this actually happening. I do have my journal here, though, which is sick.
[00:37:52] And I did write a lot about it on your journal. I don't think I have enough time. Let me see if I can find who's on the cover. You held it up. That's the type of smoke that I put for who, though. Hashtag never been snuffed.
[00:38:09] When did you write these chapters organizing the Tevin vote? Liz comes out to play hard as the name of the chapter. Yeah, that's so smart that you did that because there's so much
[00:38:20] of my survivor stuff that I wish I could remember now like I used to know it. And so you got to to Ponderosa and you wrote that. You did that later. Ponderosa, maybe it took me like a week and a half to finish.
[00:38:32] And it's like, you know, even my favorite blind side of the season, which I called the Thespian fashion show, which was Q's blind side. It's like, I just wanted to remember it because I knew a lot of it would get
[00:38:42] lost in the edit and like what the fans don't realize at home is they're watching a TV show, but it's something we live through and have memories from that don't impact their viewer experience. And I, you know, regardless of how it ended, I had a lot of fun,
[00:38:58] you know, even when I was suffering. So. You know, I'm still looking for it. It's like I got the Liz Melt down here. I got, you know, it's funny about the Applebee challenge if I get there one thing and that's like the true return of spicy Jeff.
[00:39:13] I'll never forget. Like in the bit, like before we started that challenge, Jeff's like, how do you guys do not go to Jeff? I'm like, you're not going hard on us right? You're going soft. He's like, what do you mean?
[00:39:22] It's like you're letting out an insult here and there. Like I want spicy Jeff back. And everyone's like, yeah. And Jeff's like, you know, the world's like a sensitive place. I want y'all to have fun. I'm like, we're dying on survivor.
[00:39:33] I think I know what we signed up for. And we get into the challenge. And this is like, I think the one where Jeff brings like the Twizzlers or whatever, you know, but the first line out of his mouth, Kenzie moving as slow as humanly possible.
[00:39:48] And then in that same challenge, I landed the beanbag on the pole for Applebee's and Jeff was about to call it for me. And Jeff goes, Ben, and then the beanbag falls and goes with a moral victory. It was like his roasts were so fire.
[00:40:04] So I just wanted to write all those little tidbits down, you know? Yeah. Okay. Well, you provided the right positive encouragement for Jeff. All right. We'll get to the thespian fashion show in a minute. No rush. I want to talk about the Venus vote, which came next. Okay.
[00:40:23] And so I spoke with Q. That was the last one of these interviews that I did. Q said, hey, Ben said he voted for the wrong person by accident. That was not an accident. He said me and Q me and Ben, we were supposed to write down
[00:40:43] Kenzie and then I changed my vote and he was then the only person left that voted for Kenzie. And so he said it was a mistake. No episode pisses me off harder than that one because a no conversation is shown from the pizza party. Right?
[00:40:59] They make it look like Maria and I are friends when Maria, I think she always wanted Q at that pizza reward because we sat down and she goes, she goes, do you want to sit at final three with
[00:41:10] us, which for somebody who's only barked orders at you and never really checked how you're doing or talk strategy. It's like a backhanded compliment. And they were trying to get me to flip on Charlie, you know? And I'm like, Charlie was my true number one from dumb and
[00:41:26] dumber. And like Charlie and I were not making it so obvious that we were very close. Like there was a lot of times Charlie and I would come up with conflicting stories to feed everybody. But they Q had wanted to flip on Kenzie.
[00:41:39] He was saying the mermaid dragons kind of stuff. And they were like, should we go with Kenzie? And I was just sitting there eating the pizza, going along with it, right? And this is where I feel like I was really robbed. Forget the million.
[00:41:54] That scene where I'm like pulling out, where I'm writing Kenzie's name down, I was ranting about Venus and Venus and I were cool and they show in the edit. I'm calling her a poser. The reason is because she snapped at me the night before for something unrelated.
[00:42:09] I felt like I didn't deserve it. I was like, we've been so cool. You've been pissing off everybody. Like we get to that boat. Charlie's talking about Venus potentially having an idol, all this stuff. The plan was for Q to write Kenzie.
[00:42:23] I was never going to write it. Or the. No, the plan was for me. Hold up. I haven't written down. Hold on. Okay. I got a consult the journal. Yes. Here's the chapter. The pizza party, Calabunga. OK, I found the line. You ready for this? Ready. I'm ready.
[00:42:52] I sat there patiently dogging slices in euphoria while silent, while simultaneously laughing and rolling my eyes back. I downplayed how much Kenzie and I were chilling hard. But Q and Maria were so dumb to not realize that her and
[00:43:06] Charlie were my number ones and then I openly was ready to get Venus out and with the same spiel on Liz about Venus and Liz having the numbers on Nami. And that's why Nami should be on the bench.
[00:43:20] I agreed with Q that we should put a hit on Kenzie. But I said I couldn't write her name down because it would cause chaos for me later. And then I even wrote at the end of it, lol, because you know,
[00:43:33] this is after so did cause chaos, you know. The Venice vote, this is the next page. Anyways, we get up to the voting booth and I'm like, I'm like bantering like Maria and Venus are bantering and I'm sitting there thinking like, man, I can't believe Venus
[00:43:50] is going home. There's this huge fight. And also I was like still in shock that Maria would force people to play rock, paper, fit scissors because Maria gave this whole spiel like I'm going to feed whoever needs to be
[00:44:01] fed. And then it's like she brought Q who had been on every reward, you know, and Maria could do whatever she wants with her win. But just like don't go on the spiel and then make people play rock, paper, scissors.
[00:44:11] And we're in the voting booth and I'm like ranting about Venus while writing Kenzie's name down. I think I even said Venus you're going home or something like that. And we got down and I'm like, it's hitting me
[00:44:22] like I haven't eaten in nine days the orange soda and I know it sounds so stupid. But like when you're not sleeping and you haven't had processed sugar in weeks, it feels like the closest thing to doing like, you know, fucking like psychedelics or something.
[00:44:42] I was hopped up. Everything felt crazy. And it was like I felt so comfortable to I wasn't like being so cautious. I just wasn't there. But I knew after I put it in because I put the vote in
[00:44:56] and I saw everybody's face in the voting booth, like the camera people were like, like sugar. I was like, I wonder what they're so shook about. And I was like, it didn't hit me till I turned around. I was like, oh my fucking
[00:45:08] God, did I just do what I think I did? And we walked down. And I look at Q, I'm like, I wrote Gen Z's now. You don't have to do it. And Q was like, okay, that's fine.
[00:45:19] Because the plan was one of us was going to do it because even if it went to like a revote, it would have been Q, you know, like it's fine that she had one vote on like, Maria and Q are so not aware that they didn't pay
[00:45:33] attention to that people that they pissed off the most were surrounding them and starting to outnumber them. And that's why Q wrote Vinnie's because you're supposed to write Kenzie, you know, and yeah, it did cause chaos. But ultimately, I'm a bit of an idiot savante. And I felt
[00:45:50] really tight with my friends. And there wasn't too much recourse. And I felt like it was great too. Because like, at that point, people weren't sure if I was really working with Q and Maria because people started to figure out the
[00:46:01] smoke screen. But it allowed me to drive a wedge the next day to do it. I feel like an idiot. Absolutely. But like, everybody who was my friend knew how much I was suffering with not sleeping and not eating that I got a
[00:46:15] pass for it. You know, I just didn't expect it to be so much recourse at Ponderosa and affect the jury. But that was like the only question that was meant for me. Tell me about the the FESPY and fashion show.
[00:46:30] Okay. So like, I had shook Q's hand. I was like, listen, like, I wouldn't say I was like best friends with him. But I really didn't mind him at that point. And I was like, I was like, I would talk to him once a day. And I would
[00:46:45] go really hard at those tribals. And I'd always said to Q, the damn publicly cool with you, you got to be worried. That day was there was a sense of calm, you know, like, I think Liz and Kenzie tried to tell Maria that it could
[00:47:00] potentially be Charlie, you know, it would have been Maria Q if Maria didn't win that challenge. And we're sitting at camp and I'm like sitting there and I'm like, Kenzie had already started to wear my clothes and Charlie had been wearing my
[00:47:14] best. And I had painted this flag. And I was like, I think I'm gonna rock the Q skirt, screw it. Like I had this idea I was going to open tribal given Jeff this flag which I did
[00:47:26] and if you watch the edit, I'm carrying a flag into tribal but then it just miraculously disappears. I'm wearing the Q skirt with all the paint brushes in it. Kenzie's wearing my best I painted the daisies on her eyes. I Liz is wearing her rice
[00:47:42] jar I put a string on it and painted a dollar sign and made the rice is power advantage. And Maria was wearing my overalls was like, great. Maria's gonna think I'm an idiot and like this fashion show and I'm going to be blindsided
[00:47:55] and they'll not still not take me seriously. But like they don't realize everybody who's game they sunk is surrounding and outnumbering them. And before we went to tribal that day, we're all trying on these outfits and talked about what we're going to say at tribal and Liz and
[00:48:10] Kenzie had this club snuff song that they kept singing like I'm pissed. Like a 2000s club thing and we were laughing the whole day and it was very calm and chill. And we get to the fashion we get to the we walk in it was like the
[00:48:25] Zoolander Darrel leaked fashion show. Jeff is like what's going on? Maria pulls machetes out of my overalls cuts the flag open I give Jeff this painting and Q the only one not wearing somebody else's clothes is so oblivious that everybody's
[00:48:42] like vibing together. And Jeff is trying to make sense. He's like, I think you guys are just gonna get me with another blindside and Q isn't going to be the one going home today and Q like hearing that from Jeff is not getting the
[00:48:56] smoke signals you know. And I had even like said this line that didn't make the edit or it's like, what does Ben he goes just going to everybody was how confident are you about tonight's vote? She's like, I don't know who Ben's really
[00:49:10] working with 50%. Charlie, how do you feel Charlie's freaking out of my behem. He gets to Maria Maria's like, I am certain it's going to go my way tonight. Q goes 100% Jeff and then it gets to me I speak last. I go 7060 40% and then
[00:49:29] Jeff goes, Ben that's a really interesting take like so what does tonight's vote represent? And I say, I'll never forget this. I was like the proudest one liner. And I said in my Mike Bloom interview I wanted to give a face off level
[00:49:42] blindside say, I think tonight's vote really reveals who's good who's a goat for the vote and who's controlling it. And as I say that Maria turns to Liz go not realizing she's about to get you know, her shit rocked. We go to vote and Q
[00:49:59] gets taken out you know what I'm saying like so it was great dude it was like we all put on a performance and made Q super comfortable. And I was like, if none of these people had talked to me for a week and all of a sudden they're
[00:50:12] making me feel so important something must be going on you know, because fashion show. Yeah, because you see it in the edit before that people are like, oh, let Q be Q he can go sit
[00:50:24] by the water by himself. But on this day I was like, you come chill with us we're chilling by the fire I'll make you a papaya you know, like kind of mean spirited but I did tell him two days before that the day were cool publicly. You know
[00:50:38] you got to worry and you warned him. Yeah. Okay. I want to jump ahead to in the finale. You won the final four immunity and it was a great moment for you like looking back on how it turned out and like have you thought about like a
[00:50:54] did you feel like you needed to maybe put yourself into the fire or that doesn't change anything? I wanted to go into fire. I knew I didn't have a chance of really winning but I just wanted to tell my story because
[00:51:11] I felt like I had a good one and I felt like I had a decent game with the cards I was dealt. I couldn't be as active of the social players I wanted to use. I simply had no energy.
[00:51:20] You saw how garish I was even in the edit you know, but there was this conversation where like, I don't know what Kenzie said in her exit press where I remember her being like, we all kind of thought it was Charlie's game to win and me
[00:51:34] knowing how it was treated seeing the looks from the jury before we got to final tribal. I was like, I just want to give my friends a chance to rip it up. You know, like I'll be fine looking back like maybe I should have been
[00:51:47] less that way but I don't think anybody can understand what it's like to sleep 15 minute increments in a total of 90 minutes a day for like two weeks not eating. I think I lost like 19 pounds. My body was like my body was
[00:52:03] shaking the entire time. Kenzie and I had this chat like I still thought, you know, especially considering that a lot of people said the reason they voted for Kenzie was based on what you would do with the million. Liz could
[00:52:18] have crushed that answer on any level, you know? So it was like Kenzie and I had this conversation. She's like, I don't know what my story is going to be. I don't know what my pitch is going to be. And she's like, but I
[00:52:32] know I'm good at fire, you know. So it was like we had a conversation. It wasn't like I put Kenzie to fires like a fuck you or anything like that. She was like she acted grateful at the time. She was like, I can do this. I
[00:52:45] can do this. And that's why it's like I liked the final four a lot because it was kind of a different survivor story. And I know a lot of people can say Ben's an idiot. He could have had a shot like who would do
[00:52:58] that? You're basically giving up your million. That's like who with Tony. But it's like I really did clock the room beforehand and I was just like, you know, I get to tour. I get to play guitar. I think when I talked about
[00:53:12] my life to a lot of the people on the jury, they're like, he's got it figured out kind of like fuck him, you know, like so that was what was going on in my mind. And then Kenzie crushed fire. I mean, we
[00:53:25] did almost go to matches. I don't know if that's been revealed yet. I think it took 58 minutes to make fire. Wow. Yeah, it was a long one. I think Charlie had said he's gone to matches, but I didn't hear the
[00:53:38] time report. I know Maria said it was an electric energy that night. Yes. Really was not so you know. But yeah, it was just it was it was kind of like I wanted my two friends to have a shot
[00:53:52] because I knew Kenzie was friends with a lot of the jury. She I thought she had a shot too, but in my eyes, you know, every single person was on the jury constantly said all day Maria, especially Q, especially we're going to vote for whoever played
[00:54:08] the hardest. Even Q like a month ago, we're talking on the phone. He's like, if you wanted my vote, you needed to play a game like I did. I'm like, A, Kenzie B, if I played a game like you, I
[00:54:20] would have been sitting next to you. You know what I'm saying? Like I went on to play the game I played. Yes, I wanted to play a slightly more energetic version of that, but I was still true to myself and ethical and like, you know, even to the
[00:54:33] point where like I told some people they were going home before they went home. They just didn't believe me like when Hunter put that whole plan to send me home was because he came up to me and goes,
[00:54:43] Ben, have you heard my name tonight? I go, I'd be lying if I didn't. You are a threat. You know, and then he turned around and started to put my name up there is like, these people were so believing I had no agency that they didn't believe
[00:54:56] that they were going home after I told them. So it was like, I have a great goat to the end story. Like I was in on the moves. I told some of them what was happening. I had the smoke screen. I had an immunity finally. But at the
[00:55:11] end, they didn't want to hear what I had to say. So it's all good, you know? Yeah. All right. I wanted to hear what you have to say. I didn't think anyone was on the jury. That's why I was so shocked, you know? Like I
[00:55:21] was just like the only enemy I had was Maria, you know? But all right. Well, with the time that we have remaining, I want to give you a chance to talk a little bit more about the final three and what your experience was like
[00:55:35] with the jury. My experience sucked like it did not rock like, you know, even if you're not going to vote for me, I couldn't imagine if like Tevin or Soda or Tiff or Venus or Maria sat at final three and nobody asked them a
[00:55:53] single question, how they would feel for the year leading up to how it was portrayed, if they would feel comfortable with it. It was like there was something personal against me until a lesser extent, Charlie. And I couldn't understand what I had done to these people
[00:56:06] to warrant that type of behavior. And it even carried on when we got home. Like I wasn't like, you know, like that Secret Six felt like they were hot shit till they got humbled on Twitter by the edit for like a
[00:56:20] year. Like none of them talked to me. And I think I found out why much later. And again, it had nothing to do with me. And it just sucked. It was like, I was very happy. Kenzie won. I was sorry, Charlie won. I
[00:56:35] would have voted for Charlie that's been talked about in an extent to in other interviews. But it's like, you're sitting in the after show and people are saying it really was this or that. It was like I was
[00:56:47] a fly on the wall. I was like, what was I out here 26 days for to just be treated like this? You know, and it's like, I'm cool with a lot of these people now. But in that moment, I think about that Owen
[00:57:00] exit press where he's like, you have to compartmentalize the fact you got no votes. But I told Owen is like, at least they asked you questions. I got told time, especially when I was making great points and the craziest part they
[00:57:11] didn't show in the edit queue stood up for me at final tribal queue was like Ben played the game. He's Maria called me a liar about all my moves. He was like, actually considering they were so close, I was shocked. He was like, he's
[00:57:22] telling the truth. I was part of that. He did do that. I was like, but it wasn't enough. Their mind was clearly made before we got to tribal and like, again, I'm not mad about the outcome. It's just it's just as a
[00:57:38] human. You just feel like you're back to being the kid nobody picked on for baseball or something and like, you know, I treat people the way I want to be treated even when Maria had sunk my game and she was crying about the letters
[00:57:51] from home. I comforted her even after she called me a liar for the 12 hours leading up to that. And I cut her up papaya like, I just didn't think it was going to be that way. And it really was like a hard pill to
[00:58:05] swallow and then sitting in the aftershow and you know, Jeff asked me this question about being a zero vote finalist and being an eccentric kind of like Carolyn who rips. You know, it was just I just wish I had some alone time
[00:58:21] to just kind of be by myself or at least be with Charlie and Kenzie because that boat ride back to camp was awesome when we could just be laughing and not have to deal with that attitude we were getting at tribal. It's just I don't know if
[00:58:34] any of those people returned and they make it to the end. I hope they never know what that feels like, especially me. I had suffered so hard. I didn't sleep. I never complained about it. I was in on the moves. I tried to
[00:58:49] make people feel comfortable. I was just like, I don't know, man. It's like that sucks, dude. That sucks. You know, Ben, this was really great to get through and go over everything because there was a chapter reading a clip. Yeah, there was a lot more than I even
[00:59:10] anticipated. Sick. I played the game. Nobody realized nobody saw it. But yeah, I'm like, what's your demand and run a record label and you have to deal with personalities? You know how to be like, yes, sir. No, man. Yeah. All right, Ben, I know you
[00:59:26] have a lot coming up this summer. Where could people find out more about how to see you this summer? The coolest thing is I've got this new album inspired by my time on the show and, you know, there's a lot of people on it. Coach plays on it.
[00:59:41] Soda's on it. Bryce, Isaiah, Tim, the album. Yeah. I've got this new album, Tears on the Beach, and it's not really about Survivor, but it's about like navigating all this shit. But like it's like a love letter to my experience. It's essentially the
[00:59:58] bed at it, you know, but it includes a lot of my friends who are big time musicians as well. And like, you know, I'll be in the magazines and I have a bunch of tour dates in the fall. But prior to that, like next month, I'm going on
[01:00:10] tour with my band. I play in another band called Gorillatoss and we're opening for Primus in arenas and amphitheaters across the West Coast and Midwest. So I'll be out there, you know, but my social media, I post a lot of stuff. So and like even
[01:00:25] today, I was at the guitar store shredding and this dude was like, whoa, and then he realized it was me and he was a survivor fan. It's like, I'm out there, dude. Just come by me. We'll chill hard, you know? All right. Well, this was we
[01:00:37] chilled mad hard today. Yeah, I would say we chilled ever so hard, ever so hard. I appreciate you, Ben. All right. We got to leave it there. Thanks so much. Cool. All right, everybody. There you have it. Ben Katzman and great job there by Ben.
[01:00:54] I thought that it was a really interesting conversation. I loved his journal. It's something that I really regret not doing it with my own survivor experience that I feel like I have forgotten so much of what actually happened during the game and not just
[01:01:11] what was on the TV show. And I really wish I had that kind of record. So I really think that that's such a great idea for a survivor player to have gone through that experience. And so for Ben, it really also sounds like it was a very
[01:01:21] therapeutic thing for him to have written things down. So he had his own first person account of all of this. So that's that's a really, really cool idea. Ben's a really fun guy to talk to. And so looking forward to chatting with him more in the future.
[01:01:37] Hope you enjoyed this interview. Of course, I love to read your comments here on our YouTube channel. So go ahead and keep them coming. Love to get the feedback. Looking forward to bringing you a few more of these survivor 46 interviews along the way
[01:01:50] here as we continue on our summer of survivor here on Rob is a podcast. Thank you so much for joining us. Take care, everybody. Good one. Bye.
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