Aysha Welch Recaps Survivor 48 Ep 3

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[00:01:22] Coming to you live from my apartment, it's Rob Hasel Podcast now. Here's the guy who loses his voice, but never his vote, Rob Sesternino. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to RHAP. Today, we are recapping a wild night of Survivor, as we saw all hell break loose at Tribal Council. And here to talk about all that and everything else in the Survivor world, of course.

[00:01:50] We fell in love with her many years before Survivor 47, when you all got, well, probably not the people that listen to this podcast, but many got to meet her in Survivor 47. Please welcome back to great Asia Welch. Asia, how are you? Hello, Rob. How are you? I'm doing fine. I'm very excited to talk about Survivor. That's not something we do often. Yeah, this is fun, and we'll get into it. And so we'll get to hear everything you're thinking.

[00:02:18] And this was kind of a wild day here for me on Thursday because I went to bed Thursday night, and then I did the know-it-alls with Steven, and we tried to get into everything. And I woke up on Thursday morning, and I got a million messages like, hey, when are you going to post the podcast? I was like, what do you mean we didn't post the podcast? And we had some tech issues. And so all morning long, I was trying to resolve that.

[00:02:43] Not the most fun way to get things started on a busy Survivor Thursday, but it's all settled now. So if anybody missed our Survivor know-it-alls from Wednesday night, we tried to break it all down, and still so many questions to be asked about that. I also spoke with Justin this morning. Look. Tough spot for Justin. I mean, I'm happy to hand him my third boot crown. Yeah. Justin, take it gladly.

[00:03:11] I know it's not a great spot. I know what it's like walking into Ponderosa to two people. Yeah. It's a different experience. Well, Asia, Bryce makes a big deal about, okay, the third boot club, and he posted a picture with you and him. Is that a thing? Like, do you reach out to Justin after that? Look, do we have a group chat? No. Yeah. But do we recognize that there are some pretty cool people that were third boots? Yeah.

[00:03:42] You got Sabaya. Oh. That's pretty good. Yeah. Anybody else? You got Helen. Okay. You got Bryce. Yeah. Okay. So maybe it's going to be a thing. Maybe. Do you think you get free pizza at Luigi's? We have to. Yeah. You know, I know what it's like. I know what this day is like, this Thursday.

[00:04:08] Like, I remember after all those interviews, like, having to sleep, like, for two hours just from being exhausted and reliving the experience, honestly. And so I haven't yet reached out to Justin. I will. Yeah. Because, you know, we're welcoming him into this exclusive club that not a lot of people hear about, clearly. So. Yeah. I mean, and it's debatable, you know, whether you're a part of that or not. Yeah. I don't think it's debatable.

[00:04:38] I haven't heard that. Oh, okay. You know, sometimes, sometimes not. But I don't know. Yeah. Okay. Well, let me ask you about this tribal council that we saw last night. And let me first get your reactions to watching this all play out. From when you're watching the episode, what's your thought? Okay.

[00:05:04] So this was wild because I did think, okay, worse comes to worse, they'll go after Justin. We've been presented this, like, narrative that Cedric has Sae's back. It's, like, in order of, like, priority, it seems like Cedric is prioritizing Sae's relationship over Justin. Yeah, they're close, but you can't have two number ones. You got to pick at some point. It's a four-person tribe.

[00:05:30] And so I was thinking, like, okay, if it's not Mary, it's going to be Justin easily. But what just threw me was obviously we see the vote multiple times. But the fact that Cedric was able to go in that booth and write down Sae's name, not once, but twice, the guts it takes to just write it down once. Like, you just write, okay, whoo, I did it. I voted this person. Like, I got to live with that, right? Okay.

[00:06:00] Oh, wait. She doesn't go home. But, oh, let me go back up there and write it again. So at this point, I don't care because I've already written it down. And then to not vote her out when it's face-to-face just blew my mind. Yeah. You know, I think that we talked a lot last night about Justin and his decision, but this was a pretty wild decision from Cedric. And, you know, in the episode, it's presented as like, okay, Cedric, did you know he lied to you? And we really spent a lot of time talking about, like, what Justin did.

[00:06:30] But for Cedric, who wrote down Say's name twice, and we know she was even mad that the guys were thinking about voting for her at the last tribal council, and then they changed their mind. Cedric actually did go to the tribal council and write her name down on the tiebreaker twice. And now, potentially, and he doesn't know the swap is coming, but if they go to the same tribe, like, I could see Say getting rid of Cedric. Exactly. Why not?

[00:07:00] He, nothing is going to stop him from writing down her name a third time. He clearly knows how to spell it properly. Like, he, if he has no idea who to vote for, he can easily vote for Say. I'm like, he knows she is not dumb. He knows that she holds grudges, like, even though she has said, oh, I don't hold grudges, he works with her closely. He knows that she holds grudges. And so I don't understand why in that moment he doesn't think, oh, there's zero chance

[00:07:29] that Say doesn't hold this against me in the future. Yeah. Like, you've already committed. You've committed twice. How are you going to just like, oh, well, at least I get to go to Luigi's. But she hasn't gone there yet. I found that from Justin. Not yet. Oh. Well, also. You go from one month to never yet? That's crazy. We found out from Justin that Cedric is vegan and doesn't eat cheese. Oh. Okay. Well, that's okay.

[00:07:59] I mean, breadsticks. I'm sure Luigi's has some side salads. Yeah. There's other drinks. I'm going to go for a side salad. Yeah. You could go for a nice little Sprite. That's interesting. Well, I don't like cheese. Yeah. Do you eat pizza? But I do eat pizza. Yeah. And I have met many people who don't like cheese, but eat pizza. So it's a thing. Okay. I wasn't questioning it. Okay. I wasn't. I already go on defense. Yeah. Like, yeah.

[00:08:28] Everyone always questions it too much. Like, oh, well, why don't you like lasagna? Well, there's ricotta cheese in that. That's different than me just eating a slice of pepperoni. Yeah. I was going to let it go. I wasn't going to reverse to it too far. Thanks. Yeah. There's some trauma there. But for Cedric, then his other stipulation was, all right, fine. You know what? I'm going to, I'll keep say, but here's my stipulation. You two, like you're going to get along. Okay.

[00:08:56] If anything, I need to get these other two people who do not get along in this tribe to start working together, perhaps so that they vote me out at the next tribal council. And once again, at that moment, as I'm seeing him say this, my jaw's on the ground because Cedric, have you seen the other two tribes? Did you see David? Like, any chance that, like, have you seen David?

[00:09:24] Have you seen Shaheen? Like, you, they're, Joe, oh my gosh. Like, the fact that in Cedric's mind, it's like, okay, if y'all can get along, then we can work as a team and we could potentially win an immunity. That's, let's say the tribe is staying together. Yeah. Y'all three. You know, I didn't really think about it last night.

[00:09:49] In, in like, and I love Cedric, so I don't want this to be too much of a reading of Cedric, but that being said, he, the decision that got made to then not only get rid of your tightest ally to keep the person you voted for twice, but if you were going to have any chance in hell to potentially win a challenge and they don't know they're going to swap.

[00:10:13] I mean, maybe they're suspecting it, but to maybe have a chance in one of these challenges, how do you lose Justin? Who's the best physical person left in this tribe? Because what does getting along finally get them? Peace. Cedric, he doesn't, he doesn't like the, all the stress. Just like, I can't.

[00:10:35] I mean, even Kevin, when he left last week was saying like, okay, I can finally get some peace and quiet, which honestly, that's the first thought I had walking out. Like, oh my gosh, finally, I don't have to hear that. Um, but okay. Let's say perfect world. They start to get along. Cedric, why do you want the other two people in the tribe getting along?

[00:10:58] If y'all are going to stick together, let's say y'all lose again, because I don't know the numbers, but the likelihood is there. They get along. You want them to get along so much that they respect each other so much that they vote you out. I was just so confused on the logic. Like, where does that get you, Cedric, if they get along? Asia, at any point, did you think that Cedric might have just left himself?

[00:11:28] Questioned it. Yeah. Because it felt like such a difficult decision. And yes, let me be clear. I love Cedric too. Cedric knows this. So just want to put that out there. And I'm sure he probably is like, oh, what was I thinking in this, at this tribal to just be going back and forth? But there was a split moment that I thought, you know, they did say this was a historic tribal council. Like, that's not him necessarily quitting. That's him just, he can't make a decision. So he's just like, Jeff.

[00:11:58] Yeah. And this isn't a knock on Cedric, who's like a very capable professional person. But, you know, if he got there and it's like day seven, like, yeah, you know what? I'm not feeling this. This was, you know what? This is not my thing. Like, this is not, you know, coming naturally to me. The challenges have been a struggle. Some of this, this gameplay, not what I thought it was going to be. I'm going to go back to my life. I have a great life. You know, I totally could have seen that happening with Cedric.

[00:12:28] Potentially. There was a split moment. And then I was just thinking like, okay, when I started thinking of the mechanics of it, like my biggest question of it all was why did they, in the moment it was like, okay, why did they let them revote? Okay. I get it. This is same as Sam and Sierra. Yeah. Right. Where one can vote. And then it's just like, oh, when we found out, okay, Mary's safe. You can't, these other, like say Justin can't vote.

[00:12:56] Oh, Cedric has to go. I thought by default he would have to leave. You're right. I kind of thought that that's where it went, that it was the Cedric getting a choice to make instead of being the person who's eliminated. I, I thought was confusing. And I really thought that when Cedric voted for Justin and tied it up for a second, I'm like, I think Cedric just voted himself out of the game because that in the past.

[00:13:21] And, you know, I would love to get, you know, you know, how much your brain broke during this. And, you know, I didn't even attempt really on the know-it-alls to try to figure it out because a lot of people who are better at this type of thing tried to explain it on Twitter. And we had where the original, obviously shot in the dark happens. Justin loses his vote. The only two people that are voting are say and Cedric.

[00:13:49] And then they get two votes on Mary. Those are votes are nullified. We have no votes. They go back and do it again. And to me, I feel like, okay, well, this is the tiebreak vote. Okay. That's what I was saying. Now on the tiebreak vote, okay, we have one vote say, one vote Justin. And I'm like, uh-oh, now we're going to rocks. But then, you know, we had another re-vote on that. Actually, we had two re-votes on that. Yeah, because what was, I took a screenshot of something earlier of how it was classified.

[00:14:17] It was like, it was because it was considered a null vote, then a tie, then a deadlock. And it's just kind of wild, you know, with it being four people getting all of this. But that's what I was wondering. So yes, my brain broke in the fact that they were voting again. And I could not understand what Cedric thought the next step would be.

[00:14:44] So after they voted the second time, and he has voted say the second time, I don't understand what he thought the next step would be. Yeah. And I don't know if they stopped down at the Tribal Council and do like an explanation of the rules for the players. I don't, I really, I don't know. I could tell you in Survivor, the Amazon, and this is like, you know, so far back, you know, 20 years ago.

[00:15:10] Like there's nobody, there's nobody that is on the beach at that point in time that still works on the show. And I was asking at the final six about, okay, well, Jenna and Heidi want to force a 3-3 tie. I'm like, well, what's the tiebreak rules? And they're like, you'll find out at Tribal Council. Who didn't even tell me what the tiebreak rules were before we got there? Now, I've seen it play out on the show many, many times since that point.

[00:15:39] So I don't know if the players are sort of like, if we stop down, like, okay, just so you know, before you vote, here's what happens. I would imagine they do. I, you know, I had at my first and my final Tribal Council, the example that I had was, we even got an example because it was our first Tribal. We got an example on how to vote, you know, just simply how to vote and where our voice carries.

[00:16:09] And so I would imagine they stopped down between each vote to say, okay, the next step, this is what's going to happen, X, Y, and Z. Because even Justin said this was the longest Tribal ever. And so like, where was that? Was it in the first portion of the talking? I don't think so. Because Jeff is like, hey, I've never said this before. Like, let's vote. But I suspect that like these conversations that were had by Jeff, like when he comes out there,

[00:16:35] I think there were probably some very long discussions that were had like, you know, with the powers that be at Tribal Council, like going over, making sure Jeff is like abundantly clear on this is the rules of the game and this is how everything is going to be decided. I just don't know if like the players like in between things like, wait, hold on, hold on. So what happens next? Like, and if they would like give them all that information, like in the heat of the moment at Tribal Council.

[00:17:01] In the same way you would like before you do a challenge, be able to sort of like, wait, can I throw my beanbag at this person's stuff? No, no, no, we're not doing that. Right. Because you would imagine if they had full clarity that Cedric would know, Cedric would be committing to, okay, I'm for sure voting out, say, if I'm going to go and do it a second time.

[00:17:25] If they knew like, okay, after this, then I'm sure they didn't say, okay, you know, if y'all are, if it's a tie, we'll see, we'll let y'all know in the next step what's going to happen. Yeah. Because that's just, that's just a huge risk at that point. But yeah, I wonder if it ever crossed Say's mind to, because they were thinking about potentially doing, were they thinking, did they discuss this on the beach to do one, one, one?

[00:17:54] Her and Cedric were talking about it. I don't recall that as a topic of conversation. I think she was saying that she wanted to at least put a vote on Justin. Yeah. Because I'm like. But I think they always thought it was in the context of like a two one zero if Mary was shot in the dark. Yeah.

[00:18:15] Because I was thinking that she, she just, I was wondering if she had ever considered voting Cedric, but it was like so out of the realm of possibility for her that he would even vote her. Mm-hmm. So it's very interesting because it really, all of it makes me wonder just like, what was this conversation? What was this pitch that we, you know, this long pitch?

[00:18:40] I don't know if that was the longest part that convinced Cedric to vote out Justin over Say. Yeah. Maybe the longest part of it is, and we've seen Say through three episodes. I don't think we ever get to a point where Say takes no for an answer. Yeah. I can see that. Okay. We're going to stay here all night, Cedric. Like, I'm not, I'm not going home.

[00:19:04] So I don't know what you have to hear, but we're going to talk about this until you'd say you're voting out Justin. Yeah. And what, you know. She's not going to let it go. Yeah. Yeah. It would, it felt like in this moment, like when he finally says, oh, the stipulation is I need y'all to get along. That was a dad. That was a dad saying, look here, y'all been up all night. I need y'all to quiet down for all of us.

[00:19:32] And so I feel like in that moment, it was like, you know what? I do see Say as a daughter. And it had to be something personal. It had to be something that pulled at his heartstrings. It had to be like, okay, it would break my heart at this point to actually vote her out. Even though I voted her, you know, wrote her name down twice. To act like it would physically hurt me. Whereas Justin's final words were, hey man, you can come to Luigi's. Right.

[00:20:01] You don't think for Cedric, it was all, y'all, I'm tired. I need to go to bed. Come on. Let's wrap this up. What do we have to do to get back home? Honestly, that probably was like 20% of it. Because like once the sun is down, I personally was out. And that's probably part of the downfall of my game because- You couldn't sample it. Oh, I couldn't.

[00:20:28] I literally was so exhausted by the time the sun went down. I see the sunset, I'm like, all right, I'm doing my bedtime routine. I'm going to clean my feet, getting the sand off my toes. I'm filling up my water jug so I can have water throughout the night. Like I was getting everything in place because once the sun was down, you couldn't see anything at our shelter. Do you feel like you missed out on anything when everybody- Because I feel like it's not like Big Brother. It's not like there's like the 3 a.m. crew of people that are up all night. Well, we did.

[00:20:58] We had the people that would sleep, like most likely like some nights Saul would be on the beach, some nights Rome, some nights Genevieve. I remember like maybe like it was day five or six. It was one night where like this is what I think about a lot. That like it'll randomly pop in my head like, why didn't you do this? One night I woke up and Genevieve and Rome were sitting on the beach just talking. And it was like a middle of the night.

[00:21:25] Like I just got up to use the restroom and I was like, I should have like tried to just stay up and just converse. It probably wouldn't have made a difference. But I was just thinking through like, I trained myself to sleep before going out there. Was it too good? Yeah. Like I slept without a pillow for a month, like on my back. And I was like, okay, no matter what on the floor, on my bed, where on the couch.

[00:21:53] And by the time I got out there, as soon as I was right in the right crevice of that bamboo, I was knocked out. I had dreams. Like I was asleep. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but there were people that were up late. Like I would say everybody except for me and Keyshawn, which look how that turned out, would have rotated nights of just being up late, hearing like people tell stories and stuff. Because I feel like what you hear on Survivor, I think Charlie said this in Survivor 46,

[00:22:22] is that first thing in the morning is where the action is on Survivor. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, see for us, it was like first thing in the morning was like a tribe thing. Like we, most of us were up early. I'd say the only one who kind of slept in a lot was Keyshawn. But we would be up just watching the sunrise. So it wasn't, there weren't, not a lot of game talk at that moment because it's just a random assortment of people. And like early in the morning watching the sunrise, it was mostly at night for us.

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[00:23:50] That's BetterHelp, H-E-L-P dot com slash RHAP. All right, let's talk a little bit about Mary. And everybody was so excited that she hit the shot in the dark. What a great moment for Mary. Did you see that she told Dalton Ross before the game started that her number one pet peeve about Survivor or her hot take was that the shot in the dark is whack? Yes, which is just hilarious.

[00:24:18] And I mean, she's been gold on social media. She is hilarious. But it was just like, yeah, the irony is insane because obviously you can see why people don't like the shot in the dark. It's very difficult to play around and strategize around. But it's just like, I wonder, like, did she manifest this?

[00:24:43] Like when she's floating out in the water, swimming, like she was just so cool, calm, and collected and then to hit the shot in the dark. Like that is, I don't know. Like, yeah, you obviously this game has a lot of luck. We all know this, but just, just the like, that's, I mean, we obviously one in six odds. This is Sam's grab that she shared or Dalton Ross shared the shot in the dark is kind of whack.

[00:25:13] Like, until it works for you. She's like, JK, never said that. Yeah. Well, she ends up playing the shot in the dark. I was a little disappointed. I kind of felt like that she was going to save herself through throwing off, say. And I feel like that the fact that like, like the episode, I feel like presented like her bluff was working. But ultimately her bluff did not work. Right.

[00:25:43] Well, it's funny because it's like. It's like, wow, Mary, mind game queen. But ultimately that they did, it was like, okay, well, we're just gonna have to go with, go with it. Right. Because it, it worked on say, it seemed like it worked on say, but not on the guys. And so the guys were like, I mean, like in that moment, thinking that everyone had their vote, she's outnumbered and say, it's like, okay, let's just vote out Mary. Which she didn't obviously have something.

[00:26:11] But I think that she knew her opponent at this point. Yeah. And she knew like, okay, this is how say his brain works. And I think that she's going to believe it. And she like questioned it, but then said, it's like, nah. Well, you know, say almost got talked into a scenario where she could have gone home, where that her original idea, I believe, was that she wanted to put a vote on Justin and Cedric. And I guess ultimately Justin talked her out of doing that.

[00:26:40] But if she puts one vote on Justin thinking it's going to be a two, one, zero, then Mary's vote gets nullified. Cedric puts his vote on Mary, gets nullified. It ends up being Justin who goes out without any sort of tiebreaker, one, zero. It doesn't ever get to the point where Cedric gets to cast a tiebreak vote. Because, oh, because it's one, zero. If Mary puts her, I'm sorry, if Say puts her one vote on Justin. Justin. So Justin would have gone home regardless.

[00:27:06] He would have gone home, yeah, without getting to a tiebreaker in that spot. Right. Oh, so you're saying she almost sent herself home by not voting for Justin. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And I kind of think that that is, I think she should have done it. Like, I think that maybe she felt like, okay, well, Justin's part of my alliance. I don't want to unsettle that. But we've seen lots of players. Okay. What if the shot in the dark hits? What if she, what if she has an idol? Well, right. You know, what would it have cost?

[00:27:36] Like, I think that this is actually maybe where Chanel got in trouble in Survivor 42, where she put her vote on Mike Turner, just in case, like, was it if Daniel Strunk had something? Yeah. You know, I think it just came down to, because she even said in the voting booth, she's like, you never trust men. So I think that's what, I think that's what she just like, she just decided to put her full trust in Cedric, even though the vote before she trusted Cedric played her idol and

[00:28:06] didn't need to. Yeah. And so, you know, it very well could have just been like, I do, I do remember day seven is a very difficult, at that point, my brain just was not working. And it was like that for other people too. And just like explaining things. And I just remember me and Saul trying to have conversations and couldn't even think of words. Like, I'm trying to communicate this to you, but I don't know the word that like, oh, it, you know, like, it was very simple stuff.

[00:28:35] So if I'm thinking like, okay, say is thinking through the options. If she's thinking, okay, Mary is just the straightforward thing. We'll figure it out. Like, there's no, yeah, because it, because what do you, what was her, I guess that there was no plan for if Mary did have an idol and Mary had voted say. Yeah. Yeah. I guess that say was, yes, honestly, like I really think that say made a mistake on

[00:29:03] that first round of the vote, because if Justin and, and maybe she underestimated how close that Justin and Cedric were, if those guys were so close, like, I think that there may be, she should have probably thought it's like, Hey, it's 50, 50, maybe Cedric votes with me, but maybe those two guys just team up on me. And I don't even have a round where I get to really defend myself. Do you think there's something to the fact that say was like day one, I'm focused on the game.

[00:29:30] I'm not trying to get to, I don't need you to learn about my mom like this in the fact that Cedric and Justin did do that. It seems like they were talking personally. Do you think that that's why it was missed is like, Oh, at some point Cedric will prioritize Justin over me. Yeah. Well, Justin talked a little bit about his relationship with Cedric. I think that say has largely been rewarded for how she's approached the game where, especially

[00:29:56] where she's on such a disaster tribe of, Hey, I've got to build my core for as quick as possible and get my group together. But in this disaster tribe, you ultimately were going to need like a core too. And I think that Justin and Cedric kind of beat her to the punch on having a core too. If we remember how that first episode went, we saw say go to Mary and Stephanie and she's tries to form an alliance with them. And she's like, they want to talk about personal life. Like I need my alliance.

[00:30:26] I need the core for, and she goes and finds Justin and Cedric who are already together. And Justin talked about it in his interview with me about how him and Cedric already had a bond from day one. So say picks those guys up together, but I don't know if she had fully realized that they were a pair. They were a sort of like a package deal coming into say he's core for. Right. Yeah. Cause I mean, cause Justin pointed out, he helped Cedric off the boat and like, it was that small moment.

[00:30:55] It was just like, you're my guy. Uh, yeah, you can't, it's really hard. Cause those early days you're just trying to pick up on anything, um, to just be like, okay, I can trust this person cause you're banking on just thin air. Like you don't know what, how people are going to play yet at that point. So yeah, I feel like she felt like she was approaching two random people, but the fact that they were already paired up. Yeah. You know, for most of the time, you know, a core four is going to be what you need in the new era.

[00:31:24] Like most of these tribes, you know, are going to go to, and I think it was all the tribes in your season went to either one or two tribal councils. That's probably like what you should be expecting where I'm going to go maybe once or twice in the pre-merge. And I got to make sure that I'm in the group of four when I go to these tribal councils. What is I think harder to plan for is we're going to go to three or four tribal councils in the pre-merge. And in that case, it's a little bit of a different scenario.

[00:31:55] Very true. True. It, but then it's also, there's different mindsets in terms of like, oh, we're going to be going to tribal where you have people like say is kind of playing, was playing like that from day one. Like I need to be prepared, be prepared if we do go to tribal where there may be other people are like, no, let's just make sure that we are cohesive enough to where we go to these immunity challenges. And we don't even have to go to tribal yet.

[00:32:21] Cause we, we dealt with that on Lavo where it was like me and Saul were like, let's just be a team and not go. And then you have other people are like, well, no, if we go to tribal, this is the plan. And so that, those two different mindsets kind of, I mean, they hugely affect how you're playing the game and how you're strategizing or whatever. Um, so, uh, yeah. You guys dominated the first challenge. Uh, correct me if I'm wrong on that.

[00:32:49] And you got to like by 30 plus minutes. Okay. Did that change the way at all? The people were approaching the game where we have sort of like the inverse of that, where lava, or I'm sorry, that the, uh, Vula is so bad and that they know they're probably going like Justin said, okay, the boat is sinking. We are going back to tribal council. They knew. Did that change the way that you all were thinking about it in terms of like, you did so well at the first challenge? Oh, absolutely.

[00:33:18] Because we were like, we had a majority of the tribe was thinking, oh my gosh, look at how we lost that day one challenge and look at the other tribes. Like they have these, like they seem like beasts. Right. And so when we did actually win by such a large margin, we were more so in a state of shock that we were able to pull that off. We never turned over our boat. Um, and so like, that was the key really.

[00:33:45] And so then we were just kind of like, oh my gosh, wait, we may not have to like deal with this if we can keep this up. But it was kind of, we had to try to keep that mindset without dropping back into, well, we just got lucky and there, you know. And so I feel like the game, the speed of the game stayed the same because a lot of people on Labo, I would say for a majority of Labo was focused on personal relationships.

[00:34:13] Whereas like at this point, Rome had already had his advantage. Right. So then that him being off all the time had stopped. Yeah. And he had like resorted to, hey, I'm about to go over here. Does someone want to come with me? And it was at that point, like me and Saul for sure were like, oh, he has something. So in the episode last night, we saw where Mary was out looking for the idol and Say was chasing her. And somehow this game of hide and seek ended up bringing them closer together.

[00:34:40] But in Survivor 47, we saw this a couple different times, but we saw this specifically with Rome and Saul. It did not bring them closer together when Rome was following Saul around. What was the difference, do you feel like, between Mary and Say actually like gaining a lot of respect for each other? Where maybe Saul did not gain a lot of respect for Rome when Rome was following him around?

[00:35:07] So, yeah, it seemed like it seems like at this point with Mary and Say, it's never been personal. And I think that's the huge difference. Like, I think they both have recognized like they are going after each other because they both feel like the other is a threat to their game, like period. Right. Which is why they get to the chase and it's like, oh, I respect you because you were playing this game hard.

[00:35:34] And the difference in between that and the chase in a, well, it's not really chase, but the following along with Rome and Saul was just like, it was already so tumultuous at that point in terms of like how, like how the communication was, how awful it was that it was just not like, oh, they could flip the switch and be like, I respect this person because they're playing hard. It was the motivations felt different.

[00:36:01] You know, in terms of partnerships and you and Saul had a great relationship and it was, you know, clear to people like, hey, you two are a strong duo and it's been a season of strong duos. I'm interested to know how important do you think that is to have to find your person early on? Or do you think it could be something that ends up hurting you? Right. Yeah. It can, it, it's such a fine balance.

[00:36:29] It's such a, like, it's a fine line to ride because not only, you have to find a duo, but you also have to find a duo that they would be willing to vote that person out more. They want, people want to vote that person out over you, which I felt like I was in that position a little bit because in the, the, like the conversations that I would have with like Genevieve or have, um, well, mainly just Genevieve.

[00:36:53] It just felt like, oh, the, the impact of the relationship between Rome and Saul was affecting like, okay, like her view of like wanting to work with Saul or whatever. So I'm like, okay, it feels like that would be the priority there. But if you find, I mean, cause we heard this in just Justin's exit interview, I think it was with Mike where it was just kind of like, he felt like, hey, if we get down to the point

[00:37:18] where I am, I have to like compete against Cedric, I know I can beat him. So it was like, he felt like he found like the perfect partner. But, and it also seems like they had a good, uh, good communication in terms with how they wanted to play the game, such as, oh, they knew voting out Kevin was going to leave say and Mary at odds. Like they knew, okay, they're never going to work together. So that's actually a great thing for us.

[00:37:47] We could just choose who we want to work with at that point. Um, and so, and I think that, you know, maybe that was Justin underestimating Cedric and Cedric's relationship, but I think a duo is good, but a trio is better. But you always have somebody who's thinking like, oh, this person is, these two people are closer, which is why it leads me to this point. Let's get rid of six person tribes.

[00:38:15] I'm like, I don't, I'm not a fan. We vote on it for survivor 50 Asia. Yes. Will we? I suspect we will not. Okay. That's what I'm saying. Like what happened to the votes? So is it like a beginning? I think that there's going to be like votes like three or four times during the season. And then each vote is going to be open for a week. And then we will not know the answers of how people voted until we get to survivor 50.

[00:38:44] So I think in a couple of weeks, we'll get another round of votes. But we still don't know what they were going to vote on. Yeah. Yeah. This is what I would love. Yeah. This may be ambitious, but three tribes of eight. Okay. I think that's still, that's 24 people. I think you don't, you can't come in and say, okay, I just need to get my five. That's a lot of people. I mean, it's a throwback eight person tribes for sure.

[00:39:12] I think my question is, and Jeff has talked about how that they are very committed to 26 days. How do you do 24 people in 26 days? Maybe you do a couple of double tribals. A couple of double tribals. And it would be, you know, a lot on the production. Like they'd really have to be like running and gunning for like the whole time.

[00:39:38] And I don't know, maybe they have, you know, um, you know, have, uh, you know, I guess you, you, maybe you could have tribal council where if you wanted to, and you have the 90 minute episodes. But I think that people would be a little disappointed to see it go that way of that. Basically in a three tribe format, only the tribe, there's been a lot of like fan run survivor games that only the tribe that wins immunity avoids tribal council. Like second place, you still go to tribal council. Yeah. I like that.

[00:40:06] Um, so maybe you don't have tribal council every single day, but you have a lot of two tribal council days. Yeah. Like he, he takes off the, he reveals the immunity idols and it's just one. It's just one. And maybe next time it's two, but maybe next time it's one. I think it kind of leaves things in the air. Um, yes, a lot more work on production, but they're beasts. It's a well oil machine. And maybe just one person goes home first.

[00:40:33] And then at, you know, you have your pre-merge and in the pre-merge, you end up having, you know, five double tribal councils. Imagine the excitement for the people at Ponderosa as they walk in like, Oh, are we getting one person or two? Like it became like, obviously we, cause we talked about this a lot. We talked about the, the preachers at Ponderosa. So just like, look, this is not what we thought our survivor journey would be, but we're embracing it.

[00:41:01] We are learning about each other's experiences and stuff. And so that became a very exciting thing to just kind of look. We'd like had these stairs to look at and we would see what color, what color, what color. Like, Oh red. Oh yellow. Yeah. You know, just in talking this through, okay. Even if you have 26 days and you get rid of somebody like, okay.

[00:41:20] On day three, and then you have this double tribal council on day five, day seven, day nine, day 11, like day 13, you know, and then you have like the merge on day 14. You're still getting to the merge with, I think, check my math on this 13 people, which is kind of what they already do now. So I think you could do it. I think you'd probably have to, maybe you get rid of the journeys.

[00:41:44] I know the journeys are a big part of the new era, but instead of like, so basically instead of a journey in a few of these episodes, you're getting, you know, two tribal councils. Maybe they could get two hours for season 50, you know, uh, to, to do it then. I'd watch. Yeah. So I think we watch, we watch it, you know? Yeah. I, I, I just think that we've gotten, yes, I, we, you, we're obviously going to be entering a new phase.

[00:42:13] We have to be at the new era. Like we have to be. Um, and I just feel like it's, it's just become a formula to say, oh, I want a core four. And that's the only way you have to get through the early part of the game when there's just so much more flexibility that can happen without just having a core four. And then people just having, you know, it just like, once you're in the bottom, there's just no way out.

[00:42:38] Um, yeah, it's just, I mean, it just makes, it just makes it very difficult for people that don't, aren't able to just connect with people. Like just through common, common things, right? Like, okay, you may have one thing in common, like, oh, we both like Chipotle, but that's nothing like, oh, we're both like Guyanese. Like imagine the, the, just the pure joy Camilla and Kyle had. Asia, imagine you're on like a six person tribe.

[00:43:08] And then there's like, somebody is like, I think I just met my future wife. Like, what do you do? What do you do in that spot? How do you break that up? How do you start like, Rob, in that moment, do you think, did you think, should I start a rumor or something that she thinks I'm cute? No, I did not think that. I was like, this isn't going to work. This is a horrible plan. What are they doing? Showmans?

[00:43:38] Exactly. Idiots. Hello. I mean, even our cast was difficult in that. Like, I think there were four of the 18 that were single. So not like, not like we're looking for, we weren't out there looking for love. Right. But it's still like the fact that these two people can talk about their spouses. Right. And, you know, I'm talking about what it's like on Hinge. That's not exciting.

[00:44:01] Asia, should you pile on with Stephen Fishback who has said like, hey, we need to bring attractive people back to Survivor, which, you know, present company obviously excluded. But do they bring single people back to Survivor? I don't think so. Because like, okay, love the idea. People would watch for sure.

[00:44:25] Because it used to be Asia, you know, back in the day that you go through Survivor casting and they say like, hey, do you have a boyfriend? And it's like, oh, yeah. Like, all right, you're out. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like, and I love the love that has like, Matt and Franny. Is anybody even single on this show? In this season? Yeah. That's a great question. Maybe. I think everybody is booed up.

[00:44:57] Yeah. Not that I'm prying that hard into everybody's personal life. Right. We're on like partner tracker. Yeah. It's hard because like when you. Is partner tracker a real thing? No, no, no. Okay. I can invent it. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like. Billion dollar idea. Partner tracker. Maybe that's why everybody is getting into pairs on the season because they're used to everybody being in a relationship. Right. Yeah.

[00:45:27] Yeah. And it's like. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. That is something. I forgot that was a thing on our, our, on our season, but it, there, that, that is, that is a thing where the, the imbalance of single people versus taken people is, I mean, that I think that does affect connections. Yeah. But I don't think we need a season where people are finding their soulmate because how do you break that up? How do you strategize against that? On survivor of the Amazon?

[00:45:57] I don't think any of the people like under 35 years old had any relationship. Every, every, it's completely single. Yeah. No attachments. Let me ask you though. Okay. Speaking of relationships. Okay. I thought David did something so brilliant last night. Okay. And this is going to be maybe a controversial opinion, Asia. So, okay.

[00:46:19] You tell me if I need to remove this from the podcast that what David did last night when he talked about how his girlfriend was going to break up with him. If he didn't win the million dollars and, and publicly announced it, he boxed her in so bad. She can't break up with him now. If he doesn't win and then she breaks up with him, he's going to say, see, I told you, I told you she was going to break up with me if I didn't win the million dollars. She has to stay with him.

[00:46:49] You have a very valid point. David is a master strategist. Give him the fishy. He's actually genius because at this point it can't even be that, Oh, you come back and all you talk about is survivor, blah, blah, blah. But now girl, you've shown, he has shown your cards. It's like someone walked up to, she's playing poker. Someone walked up,

[00:47:13] he walked up to the table and showed everybody her cards because there's no way she can end it now. Cause that's, that would be the only, no matter what reason she tries to sprinkle on it. No, it's if, if he doesn't win, that's why. Yeah. He just like, he called her out. Like, you're not going to do that. It's like, I wouldn't do that. And now she can't. Listen, I'm just imagining when he said that, I'm just imagining them sitting at home on the couch.

[00:47:42] And he says that she looks at him like, I've never said that. It could be an awkward conversation. He's like, well, no, that's how I took it. I don't know. Which is, if it's true. Wow. It can't be true. I'm, I'm more on the side that is just not true. I mean, I trust Dave and I would think that he'd be honest. I really hope so. Kyle right now. He's like,

[00:48:12] what? Like, yeah, it's true. Why would you, why would you call me out on that? It's not cool. That's sick, dude. Yeah. Um, it's talk about reading someone's energy the wrong way. Yeah. Well, it's survivor. I mean, I think that that's like a good lesson of like, how do you, how do you take, because everything on survivor is like, Hey, that's great. That's cool. Like, you know, how do you, it's, it's a tough thing to do. Like, how do you receive somebody's like a sort of,

[00:48:40] not necessarily like bad news, but someone, you know, uh, someone's negative self-talk on survivor. I think you're probably thinking like, Oh no, I got to build this person back up. And that's not what David wanted in that moment. The problem is he didn't shift his tone. He's, he's in, he's in the same tone. He says he's living in a trailer in front of his dad's house. How is Kyle supposed to know that this is negative? It, it, he should have said, Oh man, you know,

[00:49:11] I, you know, I'm, I'm really here because I'm in a tight, but I'm in a tight spot right now. I, living in a trailer that, that is giving, you don't want it, but you're like, yeah, man, I live in a trailer in front of my dad's house. That sounds like it's a cool thing. Like you, you want that. There are people, you know, living in vans, driving across the country. Van life. Yeah. Who is it? Turner. Where's Turner?

[00:49:39] He thought it was cool. Yeah. So it was just like, cause what did he, what was, what was Kyle supposed to say? Oh man, you'll get on your feet soon. Yeah. I don't know what, what, what was the appropriate response? I don't know. Oh, that's awkward. Yeah. I think they're the appropriate responses. A trailer.

[00:50:08] And then let him expand. He's just like, Oh, could never be me. Yeah. That was, that was tough. Interesting. I thought David also got like the episode, like he almost like opened the episode. I kind of thought this was gonna be a very David focused episode. They did this with one of the intros about with Rome in 47, where it was like, it was like all about him. I think it was his boot episode. And I think that the,

[00:50:37] we got like the introduction to David really all throughout the previously on. Yeah. Yeah. It did. It did make us think like, Oh, you're going to be seeing more of David specifically in the last 10 minutes of the episode. Maybe it's just that there wasn't much else to show on Siva besides the boat ride, because yeah, they got out that he's a Chad. Yeah. Do you ever call me a Chad? You know,

[00:51:07] my definition of a Chad is a little bit different here in Texas. A Chad is more so like just the guy with the collared shirts, the loafers, the khaki shorts, the shades on their head, but it's like midnight. Kind of like a little crappy a Chad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So now I'm learning. Maybe that's a... Because Camilla also called him Giga Chad. Yeah. Maybe that's the West Coast version of a Chad. He's a West Coast Chad. Doesn't Camilla live in California? I think so. Yeah.

[00:51:36] So Chad's makeup, they come in different forms. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay. Maybe, what do you think about a new artificial intelligence, Chad GPT? Chad GPT. What do they do specifically? I'm trying to think. They can craft your hinge profile? So we have the billion dollar name of Chad GPT, but what do they do? I think they give cool text responses if you want to sound like a Chad. Mm-hmm.

[00:52:06] Like this is specifically for like wannabe Chads. Like you don't present as a Chad, but you want to sound like a Chad. Yeah. How do I sound more like a Chad? Help me sound more authentic. And then I load this all up into Chad GPT. Yeah. Chad GPT can help with your hinge profile, your Bumble profile, partner tracker. Partner, yeah. Chad GPT. Can you help me invite, invent a new app called partner tracker?

[00:52:36] So I can track, do I track my own partner or do I track to see if other people have potential partners? I would say other people specifically because, well, it could be both. Because if I'm thinking, you know, there are Facebook groups out there, which I feel like I can publicly say this because the Facebook group rules are very, they're tight. There are groups out there where women are trying to see if they are dating the same man.

[00:53:05] That's a perfect use for partner tracker. Hey, I have this person's name. They're like based on like a city. City, yeah. Mm-hmm. So you try to see, hey, does this person have a partner? And they just scour the internet. It's like a woman is like, hey, is anybody dating this guy? And then women then say like, oh, not yet. Yeah, they do. And then the moderators will come in and say, hey guys, this is not why she asked. You need to, don't make comments like this.

[00:53:34] Or women will say, oh girl, why are you going after him? Then, you know, it's the other side of it. It's like, okay, hey, we do not talk about people's looks. Now, when they find out, two women find out, okay, we're both dating the same person. Then, do the women ever, then they start off rivals and then they become friends like Mary and say, like they have respect for each other. Only when the moderators say one stipulation, y'all have to get along. Yes.

[00:54:04] Cedric, Cedric should moderate the group. He would be the perfect person. Perfect person to start friendships. I mean, I actually read a book. There's a, I read like a fiction book that was like these three women were all dating the same guy and then they all became best friends and then they, the author made like a trilogy book about it. Yeah. What happened to the guy? The guy just got, they recorded it and put it on Twitter. Recorded what? Recorded him on a date with one of them and the other two women like crashed the date

[00:54:34] and was like, oh no, you didn't. You, we are, you're dating us too, which is, I don't even want to get into when like TikTok and Twitter get into books. That just feels, I'm reading a book to just enjoy. I don't, I can scroll social media. I don't need it incepting my books. Does that ever happen on Survivor where it's like somebody has like three number ones and then they all get together? I'm sure it's happened if, if we think about it. You know, did that happen to Swathy? Right.

[00:55:04] Like you're my number one, you're my, and then they all talk and they become friends. I mean, did it kind of happen with Teenie too? Like Teenie said that a lot of people were their number one. Like Teenie at one point thought, said that Saul was, Genevieve was, Rome was. But then everybody didn't come back together and say like, hey, like, that's it. We're all best friends now and we're going after Teenie tonight. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Oh yeah. You can't turn on like the mutual point. Yeah. It's like they, they can't like record them on Twitter and then,

[00:55:34] you know, like, hey, you hide in the bushes and I'll get them to say that they're my number one and then you confront them. Yeah. I guess Swathy would be the, the better example because they, poor Swathy. But they never just like all confront them at the same time. Like everybody comes in with like their arms folded like, oh, so who's your number one? Why don't you tell us? Tell her what you told me about our alliance. Should that have been what Say and Justin did? You said we were a final two.

[00:56:04] Imagine that. Say and Justin. Again, like. Yeah. Yeah, Cedric. They both should have like taken turns like berating him. And maybe like if the two of them both like focused on Cedric, like maybe he might have left. Yeah. Exactly. So you know what? You know what? I don't need this. I'm sorry. Sorry, both of you. I actually love my life back home.

[00:56:32] This was a mistake to come here. I'm sorry. I owe you both an apology. Promise me you'll all get along now. Yes. Listen, I will draw a rock under one condition. Bring out the rock bag. You three get along after this and win some immunities. Was it in the show or was it on the On Fire podcast that Jeff talked about that the idea of that that OK, if if it couldn't have come to

[00:57:02] I think it was on the On Fire podcast. Jeff talked about how if Cedric couldn't make a decision, then he would have to reach into a bag with one rock in it and pull out the rock. Well, I got the rock, everybody. It's me. That would have been amazing. That would have been one of the greatest survivor moments of all time. Yes. Oh, my God. Cedric reaches into a bag of one rock to pull it out.

[00:57:35] It would have been just like that. The picture of him holding the bag and the white rock like that would have just been so epic. Yeah, yeah, I yeah, this that was just that was wild. Yeah, an incredible moment. Let me ask you about Justin who was in Mike's interview with Justin today. He was talking about how Justin had a chance to be on a previous season and the doctors

[00:58:05] actually found a medical condition which he credited as saving his life before he came out to go play. Do you know what season Justin would have played on? You know that when I saw that and then even how he explained it was very interesting like a knuckle and one is sticking out but so I'm so glad he's okay. I didn't even know that would happen. Me neither. Like can somebody check my heart knuckles? Right.

[00:58:34] I mean I was very curious going through all that. Can Cedric help me with that? Right. Is it not close enough? Hey, having a doctor on your tribe is I will say it's a great thing. Yeah. I had a spider bite that I was monitoring and oh and my lips were so sunburned and Keyshawn would help me and check in and he's like oh it's white which means it's healing. I was like oh glad I look awful. I was so afraid to see that

[00:59:03] but it didn't come out that bad on the show I don't think. Kasia what was it? Was it a spider bite? So I had a spider bite on my leg that was just like my lips were sunburned like that's the only part of me that sunburns and it was just like day one and two it sunburned really bad and they just started peeling and so it was just like it looked weird but Keyshawn helped me know that I was okay. Yeah. Well that's good. Yeah. I mean I'm so fortunate

[00:59:33] that I'm blessed because that they put different specialists not Philip Shepard but when they put different specialists on Survivor it's like okay oh great urologist on Survivor okay great now I got somebody I could text okay we got now we've got Cedric okay if I need anything colorectal okay now I got a guy right do we have I need a cardiologist oh yeah I mean are there any reality TV cardiologists

[01:00:02] what he is a because Cedric's an oncologist I believe he specializes in I'm not sure about oncology I know he specializes in colorectal surgery okay I'm not sure exactly his pedigree well do you know who comes up when I search cardiologist survivor who Mike Gabler oh but I don't think he's a doctor

[01:00:31] no heart valve specialist okay so that's somebody all right maybe okay all right oh sorry you know I don't know if everybody's gonna like that might have to have him on the podcast Sam book book Gabler for a podcast soon look I'm not a kid anymore don't get mad at me everybody get a Gabler deep dive scheduled soon I mean

[01:01:00] I'm okay right now but like in the next in the next couple of years okay yeah yeah that's fair question okay back to your question uh which season Justin yes could have been on if he was in talks last year so we're thinking 45 46 I personally think every season has a look like I can easily refer like I feel like it just people look like their seasons for some reason all right I love this theory

[01:01:30] okay so that they all share a common look or they look like they belong on a season they look like they belong on a season like a season has a certain air about it yes like there's an aura look um vibe feels okay vibe does feel more appropriate because people they don't look the same but the vibe like obviously 48

[01:02:00] chaotic chaotic vibe like I think that it's just like it's a given that these I will say Justin almost looked a little out of place being on 48 because he seemed so cool calm and collected yeah what season does he fit on 46 no 46 is also 40 okay 45 but I can't if we're talking about 46 that do you feel like that Justin looks at

[01:02:29] all like Jelinski could you see that could they be like cousins they could be cousins absolutely cousins on their mom's side yeah I could see that yeah because I'm thinking I don't know why they both have long hair or Jelinski had long hair right so I was trying to imagine them both with short hair to help the the visual but I could they yes they favor yeah but I think if we had to pick a season for

[01:02:59] Justin that's 45 but if we're thinking there were yeah there were there were a couple people on 47 that I think matched the look of the vibe of 48 like you could see a Gabe on 48 okay maybe yeah like I could I'm trying to think who on 48 I could see on my season like a Stephanie Mary could have yeah Stephanie

[01:03:29] you feel like it's a 47 it's hard you know I feel like that 47 was a season just from my outside perspective I feel like you know 46 was really classified by like 45 was like okay we all love each other with the exception of like uh that it got kind of started with Emily saying hey we don't really love Bruce then 46 is like the crazy people and you know 47 I feel like we're the gamers and 48

[01:03:59] just seems like uh you know we've only really gotten to know this one very messy tribe yeah exactly that's always like could you see like but that was how 46 started too Mitch mitch matches the vibe of 47 mitch I think could have been in 45 I think he could have been right there we all love each other we're all best friends yes we all share everything that's true

[01:04:29] okay let me ask you Asia about some of the things that are going on we haven't really talked too much about the other tribes uh too much I'd love to get your take on the loggy tribe and it's tribe is a tribe that is performing exceptionally well but yes under the surface there's some brewing star

[01:04:59] who are the both of the people who if this tribe goes to tribal council might be potentially talked about what's been your read on this group of people well I think loggy is incredibly strong I don't know how these the three guys were put together but that's like a dream team uh the fact that you have two women that are athletes

[01:05:30] shoot maybe even Bianca played a sport I just I think that they are just physically very strong um so it's just kind of like they are the which is kind of how I felt about um the Tuku uh the blue tribe on our season I just felt like they were a very strong tribe but uh I I've enjoyed watching it um I'm really just curious is it like what the dynamic has been since the beginning

[01:06:00] with Star because is it a matter of she's not trying to get to know them or that they're not trying to get to know her because they're really painting this picture that she is obsessed with trying to figure out this beware advantage and that is all that all her time even when they had the bonfire and they celebrated it starting she wasn't even there like I'm so curious because I mean obviously we're getting the picture that it's

[01:06:30] Eva versus Star like that's like they're either siding with Star they're either siding with Eva but I feel like it's a whole thing for them all to just come to the agreement that oh we're gonna get this information about her beware advantage but it doesn't matter because we're gonna use it against her so I feel like that in the case of Star I think it started off as okay Star did not quickly bond with any one person on the tribe and we saw that the guys came together and Joe and Eva came together and Bianca

[01:06:59] and Thomas came together and I think that Star that felt excluded and I think that then because she felt excluded then said well nobody's talking to me I gotta go look for the idol and then at that point when she goes and looks for the idol then it's like well okay well Star what is Star doing she's off on her own not even like attempting to work with us you know she's making us all paranoid because she's looking for the idol I'm sure from Star's

[01:07:29] perspective she felt like hey nobody even tried to get to know me so I need to go look so my only shot to stay is to find the idol and then they're feeling like well she's like obviously alienating herself from the whole group but because all she's doing is looking for the idol but the good thing for Star is that she's been able to stick around long enough on this tribe that things change where people who might have gone home on day three end up sticking around long enough for somebody else to put their

[01:07:59] foot in their mouth and now Star is in a position where I think it's interesting where we talked about you know the power of the duos that there is also some power that we kind of now like that Mary has that maybe Star has of power of being sort of just like a solo person that people are like why don't we pick this person up you say stick around long enough to put their foot in their mouth or stick around long enough to put a bracelet in a hand like it's

[01:08:28] like a simple act of kindness was enough for them to be like oh they are getting too close yeah which it's awesome for Star the fact that they haven't lost so I think that for Eva like I really don't think that the bracelet thing was too bad I know I said last night it was like you know Survivor 101 don't do that you know that was something you know obviously you know that she didn't want to do that but I think that sort of speaks to like that that's who she is okay you know that's you know

[01:08:58] classic Eva you know she's such a nice person she's you know not really playing that hard that where things I think really got screwed up for Eva is that she's like okay she's she's sweet she's strong she's good in the challenges she's not a schemer but then she tried to be scheming and then she said the wrong things yeah exactly I just feel like it it just goes she handed Star a gift this time

[01:09:27] right it just goes to show how it's truly matters when you go to tribal because Star could have easily been a goner if they had lost that second immunity like just not enough time where it's just long enough for the tides to shift um if that's a saying the waves whatever it is I think the tides turn tables turn the tables turn the tables turn what do the tides do

[01:09:56] yeah they I don't think they do shift um the for just for the maybe this turn maybe long enough for the tide to turn we'll go with that uh that now thomas and bianca see value in a relationship with star the other day was like hey throw away her idol clue what if it disappears what if it disappeared it's I you know

[01:10:26] I could relate to thomas's uh when he was ordering his wine from joe uh him just feeling uh just dry and empty yeah so for thomas that the possibility to be able to sabotage star's clue like it's so interesting because we saw last season where you know people had like this box that you know rome had that little

[01:10:56] like decoder that they had like sure I think you could probably destroy that or like put it in the fire but I don't think you'd be allowed to like take like rome's box that teeny and kishan found and like go hide it on him right I don't think you can yeah I think it's against but do you think that they could have would it be in the rules of the game for uh if it's a shayene

[01:11:25] wanted to burn the decoder I okay burn yes only because it's property of like they spent time doing that but if he relocated it and forgot how is that any different than losing mike's idol was it uh daniel strunk did but he didn't do it on purpose though like yeah is that any different because he he lost it versus

[01:11:56] just misplacing it yeah it's a fine line of like what you could actually sabotage right it's like oh did you do that on purpose no how can you prove it yeah what do you think happens with stars idol from here i i'm totally with your theory that you said last night that they find it um like star thomas bianca worked together to find it the beginning the next episode before the

[01:12:25] swap uh there's there's no way she leaves that beach and has not found it yet yeah i just feel like that the history of survivor players like uh go back to survivor philippines like malcolm and denise find the idol right before they have the swap and you know we had where i think it was like nasir finds the idol right before the merge and then hunter finds the idol right before the merge like i kind of feel like that these things have a way of working themselves out yeah

[01:12:54] i and i i just wonder though like okay she finds the idol is she gonna immediately have to use it the first time she goes to tribal or is because bianca doesn't have a vote that's true but we're gonna have the swap tribes so it's really gonna be so interesting to see you know how these people who are just on the outs how they're going to fare when they end up going to these other tribes and i don't really even think that we got that so much in season 45

[01:13:24] where i'm trying to remember like you know you had the reba tribe and you had uh the bellow tribe but i don't remember really feeling like there was somebody who was really on the outs at reba like i feel like there was a lot about the reba four but i don't remember feeling like there was a ton of talk about like oh jay maya and sifu are in big trouble uh or you know i feel like that there was a lot about katora and bruce but i don't really uh maybe maybe more for katora but i don't really remember feeling like there was so much of like

[01:13:54] that we were getting how that was gonna go i feel like that we were getting a lot of how like oh the women are together at bellow and okay so kelly and brando have something going on but i feel like that we did not really get a good sense of like who was truly at the bottom right until they swapped like until we saw brando like where brando landed we're like oh wait there's danger there um yeah whereas these three tribes i think it's it's kind of easy to see who is in danger and who

[01:14:23] does benefit right like clearly all of uh vula yeah and how many of these partnerships are going to get broken up right is there anybody that you are curious to see like if they get on this like uh swapped together i'm trying to think of who would be great to see uh in one tribe you know i feel like that say is so funny that i feel like that there's so many people i would want to see

[01:14:53] literally every configuration in my head just now was say and someone else yeah well like would say in camilla like get along or you know have a rivalry you know yeah because it's like say has a dominant personality so i'm thinking who is another alpha on their tribe where it's like okay interact say and david like how interesting would that be

[01:15:22] is day so david is like an alpha in life but is he an alpha in the game like is he driving like oh we're i mean we haven't we haven't he hasn't had to prove that yet but is he the one saying oh we need to do this well who do you think is driving the game over in the cva tribe i think mitch kyle and camilla

[01:15:52] but even then okay so maybe if it like i think it would be interesting to see say and mitch i don't know because yeah would they i mean are they going to be on the same page or is it just going to be like she sees them as a threat because they she cannot influence them yeah yeah it's gonna be uh really fun to see like how these tribes we get so few tribe swaps and to get them mixed up with this group that is like such big personality so far i think

[01:16:22] it's gonna be uh really fun next couple episodes yeah i would have loved a tribe swap if i had made it like one more yeah asia i want to bring in some questions from the listeners for you about survivor 48 uh we have a question from a recent guest on the podcast zach wertenberger asked if justin had threatened to ban cedric from luigi's would he still be in the game if if justin said cedric

[01:16:51] let me tell you this you say my name you'll never set foot in luigi's in your life i think i think it would have worked i think if he was feeling like dang this man is gonna be so heartbroken that i am banned from his establishment and i can never try the side salad i gotta keep him i think yeah i

[01:17:23] you have a point yeah he came off too too too nice it was just like uh he gave him an out by saying that at all i'm sure because i that's what he was i on one of his exit interviews was saying he gave up he definitely gave a bigger pitch than what we saw but i'm like if you said that at all like look cedric you're good to come to my restaurant regardless i don't know yeah

[01:17:51] and for justin like maybe he felt like okay i get cedric like i feel like that he's going to respect the soft sell more than really being put on the spot like i think that this is gonna be what ultimately works for him but it's just like say was never gonna let go no and he was probably thinking too like i don't want to be too pushy i don't want to feel like i'm making him make a decision and then he's gonna be turned off from me uh because he's already shown his hand twice and

[01:18:21] said like chosen you've already chosen me over say two times yeah but he just it was just like the face i don't know if it was the face-to-face that helped the the eyes the like say put on some tears like she said cedric how could you and this is something that we talked about in the trade i won't spoil the traders too much but i feel like that there was some like uh some late votes on the traders where that a couple of uh players

[01:18:51] uh tried to use guilt as a weapon yes of like i'm so hurt how could you do this how could you do this to me like i'm very i'm very hurt by this and it didn't end up working on the traders but for say she did know the combination to work with cedric and like like cedric i'm so hurt like this you you really cut me cedric yeah it's it's funny too because it cedric has obviously

[01:19:21] seen say have different approaches but that specifically worked for him because his heart is in it and that's what i was wondering too were you questioning that like did she immediately know that cedric was the one that had his vote and voted for her because it seemed like it took her a minute to put it all together like it wasn't until he grabbed the urn that she was like are you kidding are you joking yeah

[01:19:52] yeah it just had to slowly set in i will say i thought that justin did not have a great story that he sold to everybody about what he did on the journey yeah it was you know comfort yeah he's like there was there was a bunch of dice with a white question mark and a bunch of dice with a red question mark and one of them correlated to comfort and the other one was like supplies and i rolled it and then we'll find out tomorrow which not very

[01:20:21] low stakes game that justin was playing on the journey stay tuned stay tuned they're gonna be so pissed tomorrow when they wake up and they realize they get nothing they have to know now like hey hey all right i get i sacrificed my vote for a feast that's only coming if i stay in the game i have to get through tonight's tribal council without my vote the feast is not happening tomorrow that is a perfect sale

[01:20:50] side salads galore for everyone i think if he yes because now like no okay okay they know he has no vote so tomorrow they shouldn't be expecting anything right but if he had sold it like that that would have been enough the amount of times i talked about chipotle out there if somebody would have told me look you would have been like carishmo with apple warning yeah yes i've been like what do you want i'll give you everything

[01:21:19] yeah risk it all for chipotle right we literally were taught we was like okay for you walk in yeah we just like you walk into chipotle what are you ordering that would be a good journey where it's like okay like you get there and it's like all right your favorite food is right here underneath this uh what do they call it like the cover oh yeah yeah underneath here is your favorite you've told us your favorite food we've prepared it right here give up your vote tonight

[01:21:49] or you could eat your favorite food that'd be interesting that yeah honestly i think we're okay i think i'm in the majority yes like nobody would even know if i like i would just say like oh i plan to play they made me play a game and i lost my vote you know the amount of people that would take it even that early on is like yeah that like for sure uh but i mean props to props to justin for even thinking of anything

[01:22:18] though because i know that like even coming back from my journey or my battle from the camp supplies the fight for supplies they call it five fight for supplies it was still being workshopped my season yeah so even then i was telling the honest truth truth and still because i left out details people were like i was lying what do you think about what justin said uh to me in the exit interview he said to me that

[01:22:48] hey robin if you look at it in the new era when you lose your vote you tend to go home that i didn't push back on it in my conversation with him but i i feel like i have looked at the at least earlier in the new era i haven't looked at the last couple of seasons but do you feel like that that's accurate that if you lose your vote you go home well you like even you said like if you lose your vote your friend i've said that in the past yeah but yeah you know and i think that when i really looked at that it was in

[01:23:17] survivor 44 so i have to be honest in terms of like i don't think i've really run the numbers including survivor 45 46 and 47 but did who lost their vote last season annika and annika lost her vote that's true that she did she did end up going home was that she went home kyle lost his vote he did not go home yeah but did he go to a tribal council where i'm sure did he have a pre-merged tribal council that he went to he didn't have a pre-merged tribal council he didn't go to tribal again until it was the split

[01:23:47] tribal yeah and only half the people were safe and annika that she did she did not go home because she lost her vote like i think yeah and andy and sierra and sam all voted against her uh did anybody else lose their vote in 45 teeny teeny right i'm 47 i'm sorry i'm 47 well teeny yes teeny lost but but still she lost their vote but queshawn went home yeah so that's the friend that's the

[01:24:15] friend so i'm trying to think in 46 uh jelinski did lose his vote and didn't go home but i feel like he like i feel like it wasn't because he he lost his vote like they were mad or they were mad that he like was helping the other tribe it was like that and it was a pile on i don't think i think he did i think he was gonna go home right yeah did did ben lose his vote also did he he went on a journey with who

[01:24:45] with liz and bonu oh yes yes yes yes yeah so it does happen it's not necessarily it's not a death sentence to go and lose right it is what what is seeming to be a death sentence is doing the fight for camp supplies we haven't seen kyle have to go to drug he seems like the one person who has beaten it i don't know if he would have gone to an earlier tribal council but yeah it does seem like and i brought i was talking about this uh last week uh

[01:25:14] when i was doing uh the podcast with kevin about that three out of the four people uh it has not gone well for them to you know they they go to an early tribal council and end up going out between you and then tk and then you know it wasn't kevin that went out first right but he goes out second right like it still didn't help and he

[01:25:42] won yeah now for kevin though that do we say that maybe that uh the the data for kevin is a little inconclusive because when we talked with justin he said that you know kevin's shoulder was so bad that he the reason why they turned on kevin was that they kind of thought kevin might have gotten medically evacuated yeah i mean because even jumping in the water through his shoulder so that's a fair point so maybe it wasn't so much this season but it

[01:26:11] sure didn't help us last season yeah it wasn't it wasn't ideal yeah i do think it is a little hard to take the players off the tribe where when you know you're doing sweat and savvy that i don't think anybody's like thinking so much that and i'm sure it came up at some point in the new era where it's like oh you know danny and deshawn are you know they must have gotten an idol yeah i think that i feel like in my mind i thought that maybe nasir actually did say that but i but i don't think it

[01:26:41] came up so much at least after maybe 41 and 42 where people who were doing those tasks people did not think that they got an advantage right like even and and i'm not necessarily because i was thinking in terms of like tk he he won the camp supplies but then went home for a different reason so it wasn't like he he missed those initial bonds like i feel like the people that he did not connect with that would have been the case whether he right away or not

[01:27:11] um so that's what's something i struggle myself with trying to think about i'm like if i had not gone would it have been a different situation but we'll never know we'll never know okay all right question from crystal who wants to know what tribe would asia want to be on this season oh that's a good question not vula that's for sure yeah yeah um i think

[01:27:41] siva i think loggy is tough because it seems like a season you have a tribe that you have to kind of bro down and like i was i was good with saul because he's like a teddy bear he presents like this like you know obviously he's huge everybody saw him in the vest right i saw him at uh one of the wrestling uh pay-per-views recently i saw him at the elimination chamber

[01:28:10] what you were there you know i saw it on reddit yeah yeah i saw it yeah i saw that on his story um um but i think the appeal with me with saul was that he was just gonna go after john cena when he turned heel yeah yeah i haven't watched wwe since i was like eight yes sorry for the spoilers if you catch up um so i yeah with loggy like i would want to be on loggy purely because of

[01:28:40] joe love thomas shout out to the woodlands texas actually i lived there for like that's like north that's where thomas grew up yeah that's where thomas grew up yeah so we have that in common i was there for like seven years but asia what's with this not even any podcasters on this season i know that was 47 like if you think of the vibe of 47 it's a mic it's true yeah who should podcast from season 48 oh okay um i feel like shaheen would feel like

[01:29:10] he has a lot to say yeah he'd be good uh yes i would like to hear from shaheen um i'm trying to think from steve i think camilla would be hilarious like i think camilla would be hilarious i would love to hear uh say just give her thoughts on anything happening in the world say has just such a great name for a party like here's like i'm gonna go on chad gpt right after this is like give me a hundred

[01:29:38] names for saves podcast it's like be like what did what did she say yeah anything you know hear what she has to say best name ever for a podcast say what say what it's incredible incredible say my name say my name there's yeah there's say please don't end me my kids need to go to college okay please i have to like i have to like reverse like uh

[01:30:07] neg her of like uh say he's not gonna she's like uh she's not well what would i have to say i gotta say it so like she doesn't do it so yeah like oh it would be the most predictable thing ever if say you just started a podcast it ended me that would be so so predictable say has a podcast i don't know i did yeah i feel like there are plenty of people that i i i love this cast i just have to say i think

[01:30:36] there are so many personalities there's plenty of people i would love to just listen to on a podcast okay let's take this question from star updates okay have you found the star updates account listen i have this question screenshotted okay star updates does an incredible job keeps his update on everything star asia do you agree that star to me is a better player than sandra tiaz twine boston rob

[01:31:06] tony vlachos and parvati shallow combined listen if you're not bringing the energy of star updates keep it do you feel like that are you disappointed there was no asia updates no i'm glad because they would have been so sad after episode three and then they're like what did i take this username for but they update on all sorts of different things not just

[01:31:35] only game specific that's true but if they were trying to stay updated on me and my life they'd be like dang why does she keep posting dogs like what is she like where is she at home with her dogs yeah so i was okay okay what's the upside for star as a player i think the upside right now is the low confessional count we saw that from a lot of icon

[01:32:03] iconic players from my season yes okay yes i'm the i'm reading into the edit i'm thinking like you look at genevieve if you go back to my exit interview the top comment is who's genevieve i was like who's no one's asking that now yeah yeah and then she had a big breakout episode she did where where is stars breakout episode i don't know i just think i think

[01:32:30] that when it when we get to the point where star is finally at tribal people have already put themselves in a position to be voted out over her i think she has missed the wave where she would have been voted out easily at this point so i think that's her upside is the fact that she is on such a strong tribe including her i mean they missed out not having the basketball player in the basketball challenge but

[01:32:59] but i think that that star's power is in that if she's the person who is feeling like hey i don't care about my original tribe like they were trying to get rid of me and then she's somebody that they could pick up like she could be like a very interesting piece on the board in post swap yeah i think say would pick up star easily yeah i think stars issue might be like if she ends up getting swapped to a tribe that has like too many people from her

[01:33:27] old tribe true the big yes a win for star will be as few loggy as possible like if she goes to a tribe with eva and like uh maybe joe and eva and they're like oh yeah star she was always looking for the idol she was a problem right absolutely not but if she ends up let's say siva remains the same and only one person leaves and star comes in she might be okay

[01:33:54] yep okay all right gordon robbins wants to know vulu most entertaining disaster tribe ever cedric voted for all his tribe mates in just three tribal councils impressive and all of his tribe mates in one tribal council yeah so he really did shoot the moon he got he's stephanie kevin then uh mary mary justin and say he voted for three people at the one tribal council i

[01:34:23] don't know that's ever been done before the only other three people there he voted for them i'm i'm shocked that he didn't decide a chance at the very end they should vote out himself it was up for grabs cedric had a chance to do the funniest thing ever and he said no maybe it took so long this tribal lasted so long because he said can i write down jeff's name like is that is that something i can do

[01:34:53] because that i mean that's wild and the fact that he's done all of that in his name has never been written down wow king the power a power player if i've ever seen one he's incredible so all right let's compare we've got vulu what is that vulu right vula vula and then we've got lulu

[01:35:23] and then uh we had shannon ricard's tribe ua i think was their tribe yes okay any other any other true disaster tribes i don't think so i don't think anybody else was i and then there was like tika but they kind of had like redemption right yeah yeah it's hard to kind of think like oh well they got down to the tika three but then i mean and then carson wasn't even there yeah but then josh got swapped to them and then he's

[01:35:52] and he got out of the merge so i don't even consider them part of the disaster tribe okay so we got ua lulu yeah and vula now ua got down to just two true they had four tribal councils that is a disaster but you have so i think i think looking back it i think it really depends on where mary cedric and say go from here

[01:36:22] because if they become these power players and they're the vula three and they become i don't see it i don't think it's gonna happen no but remember say promise that mary and her are gonna get along honestly i feel like if say and mary are gonna maybe do something i could see it jeff said hey i want to see you two like on a felman louise like road trip and go for it i just i don't think cedric's coming along for that ride

[01:36:50] no i mean talk about the conversations after the episode that if if mary cedric's angels if mary and say vote out cedric at some point how do you how do you how do you recover from that i mean i totally could see it happening they're like we got along just like you said yeah you didn't say we have to get along with you

[01:37:20] yeah that wasn't we get along you didn't say like uh keep you around yeah i don't know i think it's just it's just been happening i mean even thinking about this challenge vula didn't lose that bad they were still in the slide puzzle yeah that's a blindfold challenge like that's kind of like equalizer how would you have done a blindfold challenge how would i have done i think i wouldn't have wanted to be the caller yeah um and so yeah i think i would have done okay

[01:37:49] i think spatial spatial awareness is a good thing for me i've tried walking around with the lights off really you practice blindfold challenge it in a sense of just like how can i know it wasn't so what you know what it was it wasn't because of the challenge it was because of camp life like i didn't want to be walking around at night and not and bump into anything yeah hurt myself i hate the blindfold challenge i do not care for it i don't think it's uh

[01:38:17] super fun i'm also very bad at it i lost in a blindfold challenge in uh survivor the amazon i i think i lost in two different blindfold challenges in survivor the amazon we had one for reward that i also lost and ultimately a blindfold challenge was the challenge my tribe lost as i sat out and then got voted out so blindfold challenges for me not great also me walking in the dark very bad asia that i have to and i don't know how it is

[01:38:46] at your house okay but i have to be the person who gets up and turns off the light and then has to come back to the bed in the dark my wife yes you're the shut down person i'm the i have to be the shut down person my wife does not let she gets mad if i've turned off the lights and i'm the bed and she has to be the person fumble in the dark and there's i always end up kicking something or something's on the ground

[01:39:16] that i the other night i i'm trying to get into the bed and the lights are off and i ended up i that for some reason my wife has this giant like photo mailing tube on the floor in the bedroom like what the hell is it it's just like oh that's my sopranos poster like why is it on the why is it on the floor like uh kevin mcallister is set like booby traps all the way between you know where i have

[01:39:45] to walk to get to the bathroom it was specifically put there for you to trip on yeah so yeah i don't love the blindfold challenges so i sleep with a blindfold yes yes although with this daylight savings time like what when is it even going to be light out well like i'm sleeping past like what am i sleeping like 8 30 when the sun comes up like what am i even doing oh yeah i was i was gonna say yeah well it's 7 30 here when the

[01:40:13] sun comes up but then like also 7 30 when it's like the sun's still up right now forget it but yes i slept with my buff over my face and i could still see like the trees yeah yeah if you stretch it out you definitely see through it i have it like like a band like over my eyes okay all right and then this is something else you know like i'm getting into all my my humble

[01:40:42] traits that i find out my my wife does like she'll like be like washing my buffs without even telling me really you don't want them clean you know what well sometimes i go to these events and i get like a cool new one and it's like and then they're not the same after they go through the washing machine you know i wouldn't know because i haven't washed mine yeah well you don't have any any other buffs

[01:41:08] or any other seasons no i wanted so i hadn't bought any and then when i decided i wanted to try to be on the show i was like i want my buff to be my first buff yeah so i just have two buffs which is my original ones well i got my original buff and then the new buff and then maybe now future seasons i'll buy some yeah well now i want to buy you one

[01:41:36] oh yeah what about rjp buffs for the patrons okay wait do you have rjp buffs yes we do asia they're in the you know i know about this store it's not for the store it's not for it's we send them out to uh the 15 patrons okay okay okay so you can you can't buy them in stores okay i'll tell derek to send you a a buff thank you that'll be my third buff ever yeah

[01:42:02] and then if that one gets like uh you know you know you washed it a couple times and put it through the dryer you won't care so much right oh i actually let me give a shout out to survivor texas because they did give me a buff when i went and visited them oh so it's black okay it was their merge buff yeah their season they were shooting all right that's cool merge color buff

[01:42:26] right yep okay how about let's see a question about cedric i thought we talked about that um micah says do you think that say is playing similar to tony i get major tony vibes in her chaotic but successful game love you asia so i think that maybe this is tony from survivor kagiyan more than

[01:42:50] uh winners at war yes i do see that i was gonna say more og tony yeah um i think though the difference is that i felt like his connection to sarah was more a partnership yes than like a leadership like i don't feel like cedric and say are partners do you feel like one is tony and one is sarah

[01:43:20] uh well i feel like sarah and tony were partners yes okay so you don't feel like that yeah because i i feel like they had like an equal contribution to like what they were going to do whereas say is the the bigger voice in this maybe tony and sarah are more like say and mary like it's like they started off like they weren't on the same page and like okay you know what you're you're so fun i want to keep you around and maybe they end up being sort of like uh you know you know allies but kind of

[01:43:50] frenemies might screw each other over yeah frenemies to friends i mean if maybe this is what we would have seen if like rachel and genevieve had were on the same tribe starting out or if me and genevieve could get our ish together and like work together you should have chased her i should have i mean

[01:44:13] speaking of uh with mitch and kyle going out on that boat genevieve and i also went out on a boat yes and uh it was it was exciting we were talking about fishing it happened to be like my dad's birthday like the day before or something so we we were connecting in that uh but then i was like hey genevieve genevieve where are you at in the game she's like just sucks that our guys can't get

[01:44:39] along yeah so i hit a wall yeah all right well we passed the bechdel test or no actually didn't because we talked about the guys what's this test oh well it's a test for movies uh if the female characters have talk about something that's not the the guys not guys yes yeah very true that's i wanted i didn't want it to be about them you gotta make it about about her not about the guys

[01:45:09] i know i was like forget these guys i was like you and i could have like a something yeah she's like well you need a cedric to like hey you did like uh like uh i just need you two to get along yeah one of our conversations she was like let's keep talking i just i could not i couldn't read her mm-hmm yeah she kept her cards close to the vest that was before she even voted out kishon

[01:45:34] i know before she turned into a different person right yeah now when you said you went out fishing that how were you fishing with a pole or were you going to do spearfishing so we found a stick and we had won the smaller fishing kit yeah so while someone else on the tribe was off you know catching fish or whatever this size yeah i don't even like fish let's get that out there i don't need fish to

[01:46:01] be caught so i don't even eat fish anyway you're like cedric with the cheese at uh luigi's pizza yeah i don't even eat that justin i don't even need to come to luigi's right we took a we found a stick you get a side salad anywhere everywhere has drinks yeah um i could uh we we took a long stick

[01:46:28] and wrapped the fishing uh uh wire thing yeah all around it and then we put it in there and then i lost one of the hooks yeah yeah we put it in the water one of the hooks just went away yeah but then yeah we didn't catch anything fish uh on the hook on survivor i've never seen anybody do that the problem is the bait we were using coconut as bait no that doesn't work yeah and

[01:46:53] then we tried to use uh i don't know what else we tried to use but it didn't work we didn't have we didn't we didn't catch anything we put it in there deep it was really cool because like the camera crew came out with us like all the way out in the water and we didn't have anything substantial to say i mean maybe correct me if i'm wrong i've never seen anybody like in the ocean on survivor like i i've seen it where and in the amazon then we had like like little tiny like like river like

[01:47:20] tributaries and stuff like that and you could catch fish in the in the river but never in the ocean i don't feel like i mean people take boats out sure but not on survivor okay that's what i was simulating it's like you know spearfisher you know that's it on survivor i feel like if we had been out there for a couple of hours we could have got one bite maybe not with the coconut we should have found something else like a snail or something

[01:47:50] okay all right so many questions about cedric and what cedric should have done let's see he's a star of this episode uh lyle says uh what were your thoughts on the journey were you happy that cedric decided to do uh uh what he did or should he have voted for say again let's talk about the journey part of it i thought it was fair like okay it's just a game of chance simple as that but i

[01:48:17] felt like they please bring back risk the vote like if you want to have shipwheel island i do because it gives the like cautious players a reason to say like look i don't even want to participate and if you want to be risky you have the chance to do that and then there's like a payoff or or not like you're taking the chance yeah but the forest is just uh because then it's like oh i lost my vote and i

[01:48:42] didn't even want to go yeah you know i think a lot of people want me to be more angry about stuff like this and get and get worked up and i understand and and people uh you know put their own projections on like how i should feel about things and stephen fishback has called me a nihilist at times but part of me is a little bit like hey like uh sometimes in life like uh you go out in the street

[01:49:07] you get hit by a car you know what are you gonna do like sometimes like bad luck finds you and that's it those are the breaks and you know i do like the players having agency of whether or not they want to go on the journey like get on that boat like we saw but there's i mean this has been part of the show where you pick a person to end up going out there and hey like the fickle finger of fate has found you and like thrown you into this and now you have to roll the dice and hey that's that's

[01:49:35] life baby like you end up like in these situations where it's like through nothing you did now you're in a a bad situation like can you figure that out like yes you uh did not opt into this specific mission but you opted into this specific show where sometimes bad luck finds you

[01:49:58] yeah yeah very true i mean do you think it it made it look better that at least one person got the advantage i think people would have said yeah these dice were rigged like the dice were weighted if you know camilla didn't get a chance to do it i mean i i think i certainly would prefer a game that was like a little bit more there was like some strategy to the game of like i can you know uh

[01:50:25] like i i maybe i could i could stop here at a certain point and and get something or you know that other than just like you know pour the dice out and now oh that's it i lost you might you know you might as well just like flip a coin like beast games look how about you you have to do something to a certain a point and you get to keep your vote you go further you may get an extra vote you go even further you may get something else knowledge is power i don't know yeah maybe there's a point where

[01:50:54] you like uh you can just get back to zero and stop right make it easier to you know and then you know maybe you could totally crap out but you know it's like there's like a achievable goal you know yes you know if you get if you have two flames you could stop playing you know maybe maybe that's a little bit more fair but ultimately like you know for us at home you know we're we're you know were we not

[01:51:19] entertained by the end of the show we were very entertained you know it was i mean and even this i mean steven calls me a nihilist of like uh you know you don't care about like uh the the fairness of anything hey and i do like you said i do but ultimately like i just feel like hey these things happen on this show i just don't get like worked up about it unfair things have happened

[01:51:46] i mean where's the lie yeah jerry manthie said it in season two like whoever said this game is fair very true you know you get some good breaks and you get some very bad breaks and sometimes the bad breaks are insurmountable right i don't know but if you go out there and you take well

[01:52:09] yeah i guess it's like yeah there's just no way to play a completely safe game because you could get thrown into whatever yeah which is just the nature of the game i mean could justin say like hey actually like i really don't want to like like could he say beforehand like hey everybody i do not want to go on the journey like please please like i don't know what would that have saved them maybe and and what can his tribe say against that i mean but could he say before they even pick like hey just so you

[01:52:39] know i i do not want to go on the journey right would his tribe be mad or they'd be like oh thanks for giving me a chance would they be mad and also like would the other tribes still pick him like that would be very rude oh yeah like hey not me not me do not pick me for this maybe we weren't even thinking you but now we are yeah speaking of beast games i saw tony when i went to the survivor premiere

[01:53:08] for season 48 and i and i reconnected with him a little bit and you know he doesn't really keep up with the show or anything like that but you know we had a nice conversation and i told him you know tony i'm just like i'm so i don't know when i'm gonna see you again i'm just so happy to see you and then he had been texting me and he was he was very animated about something recently he was very animated about the finale of beast games

[01:53:36] and he was like did you watch it did you watch it did you watch it oh i i hadn't i had a while i had to like i skipped to the end just so i could like hear tony's theory tony has a very interesting theory about the the finale i don't know where to post it like i don't want to spoil people on beast games right that that's all on youtube right it's all on amazon prime oh mr beast proper is all on

[01:53:59] youtube got it beast games on there right i'm sorry on beast sifu did appear briefly got it yeah uh asia anything else on your mind from survivor 48 you know it's it's been fun like i was really nervous coming into this season just like can i watch it as a fan again is that possible how are

[01:54:25] you doing with that i am i'm i'm how am i doing i am i'm doing well with it i think that it is nice to be able to watch and not think like oh what if because it's completely separated from my experience uh because i remember coming back and immediately finishing 46 awful idea i just like it i immediately

[01:54:51] felt the deprivation that i had felt in the game and i was like whoa too soon but watching 48 has been so fun and i'm just like thoroughly enjoying it just because like the cast is amazing everything is so different uh in terms of you know obviously the structure is the same but the challenges are different than what was on our season the gameplay is even slightly different um so it's been i've been

[01:55:19] really enjoying it so i'm i'm actually very happy that i can watch it as a fan asia when they did the vote for survivor 50 did you vote that the players should get rice or not so i it's okay if you didn't vote i did vote i voted not to get rice yeah because i feel like i didn't get rice i don't want these other people to get rice

[01:55:46] no it's not even that i just see the effect of no rice and you really impact other people asia yes it really impacts i had to do now you know how these all see you know you become what you hate of these old school survivor players like well i had to do 39 days 39 uh you know i didn't know that was such a hot take i okay so everybody's pro rice i think so i think people are like what are these

[01:56:14] people you need to starve everybody for it's fine nobody was like watching you know survivor like you know fill in random survivor china i'm like you know these people are getting too much food enough how much are you feeding these people look it's 26 days you may not even last the full 26 days

[01:56:38] and i feel like the impact that no rice has it just really it gets you yeah and so i think you get a different type of like somebody can be completely different if they're getting rice versus not so that that's my case i'm not a wharton burger brother so i can't debate on it with them yeah

[01:57:02] right yeah okay anything else on your mind what's going on in uh anything in real life anything on the podcast that's exciting real life is happening um i am i've been doing 75 hard 75 hard what what is

[01:57:20] that yeah so it's 75 days of two workouts no no no 75 days of two workouts a day each 45 minutes one has to be outside okay and it's called 75 hard yeah it's it's really popular out here in these like fitness streets okay i'm in the fitness streets all right uh so two workouts one has to be outdoors

[01:57:46] uh you stick to a diet so i'm just doing no fast food no desserts uh you have to drink a gallon of water a day does she want to do 75 hard some people modify and do like 75 medium 75 soft but i wanted to commit um you have to uh drink a gallon of water a day you have to read 10 pages of non-fiction a day what the hell is this pick a lane workout that's a read 10 minutes of a story or a depiction of a

[01:58:15] story well i'm going to the bathroom all day from a gallon of water absolutely all day and all night because if you're anything like me you get to the end of the day and then you're like oh shoot i'm at just 100 ounces then i'm chugging 28 and then the lights are off and then i'm gonna break my ankle trying to get back into the bed i trip over pepper and then and then it's just like i mean i think the

[01:58:41] worst night for me i got up like three times but i'm on day 67 you can go back to sleep like that because you trained for survivor exactly i literally less you don't even care less than a minute i'm back to like rim uh whatever scientists out there probably saying that's impossible but i'm back in deep sleep yeah you should be like a personal trainer for sleepers

[01:59:05] right i'm on day 67 so i'm almost done i literally have eight days left i am in the home stretch i can't wait to like eat a donut um but yeah it's really challenged me so it's been nice um i've enjoyed that challenge um and then actually i'm doing 67 okay yeah so we're we're in a home stretch that's

[01:59:28] like three survivor seasons right um march 22nd is my last day okay um but i am doing a exciting thing i'm looking forward to is i'm doing high rocks uh this sunday and it's like it's a fitness race uh taylor hale from big brother she's done it a couple times and posted about it okay um but yeah where is it it's local in houston yeah they so they travel but this one is in houston state i'm doing it

[01:59:57] and uh it's a you run a kilometer then you do like a sled push you run a kilometer sled pool and you do like eight workouts and you run a kilometer in between each wow so i'm just trying to push myself to the max so like see what this body can do you know okay well asia this was so fun to get to catch up and talk about survivor 48 a little bit was there anything

[02:00:24] else from your notes that you didn't get to talk about oh um just like if if that's true about david's girlfriend shame shame on her well i don't want to like judge anybody's relationship but i think david was smart to call it out she said if he doesn't become a millionaire she's out mm-hmm um but yeah such a solid episode she might be like hey like derek x's parents were like hey

[02:00:54] don't come home if if you don't win but they let him still come home yeah they didn't disown him yeah very true um but yeah and i really i really liked mary's bluff i mean i whether it was effective or not it would it played the role it needed to play it did its job which is like gave me shades of watching rachel's bluff so yeah look and she put it into the universe i am safe i'm not going anywhere

[02:01:20] and look how it turned out literally oh i when next time i see mary i'm just going i need to rub her arm or something and get some of that luck yeah look with consent look one person on the tribe had all the luck and one person on the tribe did not but he has all the pizza is all the pizza so okay i guess you know there's luck in that all right yeah let me tell you about what else is going on

[02:01:46] here on rhap all the podcast feeds are working again and that means you could listen to everything survivor at we know survivor.com where you can now chat with asia welch and over 20 survivors on the survivor group chat going on over on chat that's chat not chad bcc chat bcc come on and uh

[02:02:12] chat with us during the episode there's a bunch of live chatters all week long go to robinswebs.com slash vip chat for the link there robinswebs.com slash vip chat of course you can get a buff and be part of the survivor community when you are part of the tribe at robinswebs.com slash patron i'll be live again on friday to take q a owen filled in for me last week but i'm looking forward to getting

[02:02:39] back into it with everybody friday 3 p.m eastern for patron questions i'm sure that there will be more than a few questions about this tribal council asia absolutely you might have to like put a timer because it could go for six hours could be the longest call ever it's the longest tribal council and then over on the patron feed josh and i are still talking about survivor heroes versus villains

[02:03:02] 15 years later and we talked about episode five where somehow even though james got injured they still decided to keep him and vote out tom westman 15 years ago this week josh and i talked about over on patreon robinswebs.com slash patron where you could also watch us talk about don do you keep up with dondy you know it is a show i have always wanted to watch it just happened to

[02:03:28] premiere in the thick of things and i just have not been able to watch it okay check it out when you catch up we know dondy.com two episodes left on deal or no deal island asia married at first sight season 18 reunion i mean no who who would have thought we would be talking about married at first sight on a survivor recap this it's wild how the world works but yes married at first sight season

[02:03:54] 18 reunion part one came out to this this week who's this woman is she mad she just got married this is madison madison is now with one of the other husbands one of the other husbands yeah there was an affair this season and they hit it off at the honeymoon apparently and had a secret affair until it

[02:04:17] was because damn yeah it was the husband sent a risky text to his wife but it was meant for madison oh uh so so much drama so much drama it let us they could have given him the the double guilt trip exactly swaffy yeah who's your number one madison yeah they took partnerfinder.com

[02:04:40] right they uh took a different approach and now those two women are not friends uh but we had we had a great jason reed and i cover this over on a perfect match on the love at first sight feed and we had a great time covering this season we still have two more episodes reunion part two and the where are they now episode it was so exciting the season that we even went live for one episode which is when everybody found out that madison and one of the husbands had been

[02:05:08] having a thing that was a wild episode we had a great time with the chat so yes you can find us on the love at first sight fee you can also find us at first sight pod.com what a choice to cheat on your spouse on television honestly we like it was just like we could love your relationship if y'all went about it very bold to do it like in private but like to do it on television like i respect it

[02:05:32] like even bolder to yeah the lies make big moves were insane yeah yeah the text he sent his wife was dance like nobody's watching he said you look so good i want to eat you up and she said that was a weird text for me we're not even there he said oh that was for my cousin it was for some food i was eating yeah yeah he said she sent me a picture of some food that was for her and said that and it

[02:05:59] was just an awful lie it was actually meant for madison because he was hanging out with her at the time yeah okay married at first sight in the perfect match feed where you also get to hear about love is blind yes loving love is blind probably arguably one of the most boring starts of a season uh a lot of people it it picked up i will say the finale in the reunion were probably the best drops of the season okay so uh mary kukowski and jason reed and i talked about the finale in the

[02:06:28] reunion uh it was i mean solid solid ending to a subpar season so definitely go check it out we had a fun time covering it okay and then you can hear josh wiggler and i talk about the white lotus as uh we will bring you another recap on a sunday night of the next episode part of our scripted tv what rjp has scripted tv podcasting yes it's called we know scripted tv.com you could hear what josh wiggler

[02:06:55] and uh the crew is talking about severance and all the great scripted tv podcasting going on over we know scripted tv.com okay asia where can people keep up with you yeah so you can follow me at asia like asia it's a y s h a like a s i a um i have to spell it because you know people spell it wrong

[02:07:17] sometimes yeah um i am most active on instagram but you can also catch me on blue sky on twitter uh tiktok uh but yeah give me a follow i post mostly my dogs but sometimes some life content okay all right asia thank you for coming here this was so much fun to get into everything here with you thank you for having me yeah and everybody we've got so much more to come still this week uh abby maria

[02:07:45] asia's new friend is going to be on the podcast i can talk to her on tuesday afternoon so be looking for that a lot of people was like hey weren't you supposed to talk to sophie last week sophie got sick we're going to reschedule with sophie i think uh in two weeks we will uh catch up with sophie on our old school interview plus club condo as well coming up on monday with chapelle so don't miss any of that when you're subscribed to the podcast we love to read what you have to say in the comments thank you so much for joining us take care of a good one bye