Survivor News 50 Episode 12 Recap: Poetic Justice ft Josiah Borden

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[00:01:51] Whew! All things Survivor Season 50 Episode 12 I am currently in double week mourning So please send your condolences my way I shouldn't even say double I should say triple It's not a triple week It's a double week But a triple homicide Josiah and Jack and myself Get into the double elimination

[00:02:22] Who's best in position To win the season And what things need to happen For everyone that's left to win Talking about the Riz God And his idol This and so much more So listen Let's get into this week's Survivor News Survivor News

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[00:03:22] And we're back again Funeral after funeral I don't know how much more I can take of this Last week it was Ozzy Then it's Rick Davins Oh and this week It was Serene Monique Monica Brandi Ashanti Kelly Rowland Fields But oh Serene Serene Serene

[00:03:52] Pulling together Bryce Okay but listen y'all We're back This week with your Survivor News Covering Survivor Season 50 We're here with the man The legend himself Jack Atkins How are you feeling today? I'm also in morning Bryce I'm also Last night Was a great time at the Bryson Wynn Until it wasn't Because we lost Two of the greats So Yeah excited to be able to Chat with you guys about it

[00:04:22] Yeah And we're Although we are in mourning We're in shiva We are Okay They're coming to the house Right now We still Have a need to celebrate It's still a celebration of life I'm super excited to welcome His first time on The Purple Pants Podcast Survivor News You might know him from Amazing Race Season 37 You might know him as Bella's dad You might know him

[00:04:51] As my soon-to-be cousin-in-law We have Josiah From Season 37 Of Amazing Race Welcome back Josiah Bryce I'm absolutely honored to be here I love You You know I love you Jack I mean I'm inspired by you every day In the OR That's why your post is right here By my By my side Alright I'm a big Floors Lava fan And some people Some people put inspirational posters up In their own Like in their break room But I use this every single day Jack It gets me out For emergencies It's inspiring

[00:05:22] Thank you I mean we did like Historically bad though So I'm like Here you are succeeding Jack I don't know I don't know what's more inspirational Than that You know Fair enough Josiah You know Every week I introduced Jack Okay He might be known from Jack Atkins The Circle He might be casting for The Traitor He might be Christine's son But in my heart His biggest accolade to date Is The Floor is Lava

[00:05:52] I love it I printed that out today In color It's funny Because I've recently been giving Bryce Shit about that It's like Every time he's in Ben introduced me He's like You might know from The Floor is Lava Last night Someone at the Bryce Was like You did Floor is Lava Right It had to be the podcast I don't know man But But Shout out to the Floor is Lava man

[00:06:21] Well We are here To This is an episode I don't really want to Participate in But Before we even get into that Yesterday I was in Chicago Jack was holding it down In LA Jack How was LA? It looked amazing Yeah It was a lot of fun I mean We had a lot of Reality stars in the building And a lot of great fans In the building We had You all hear that? It was like

[00:06:51] Some lawn mowing Okay cool And we had We had Tiff In the building So I mean Despite all of the downs Of last night's episode Some of the biggest highs Involved Our girl Tiffany So being able to To watch with her And celebrate Was a Great time So How was Chicago? Chicago was dope A lot of the posse Was there They were They were asking A lot of questions

[00:07:20] Where was Jack? A lot of the posse member Was asking Where was But listen It was great We held it down Chicago Always shows So much love And again Wendell and I Are still on the road To 50 It might be One stop left But we are still On it Next week We will be In New York For our Karaoke party On the 19th And all things Lead to the 20th In New York Also Game And friends Are going to be

[00:07:50] In Baltimore So it's still A chance For you To participate In this Epic season Of Survivor And Wendell and I's 10th tour ever So Don't miss out Click the link In the bio And we'll see you Next week I don't know Where to begin Well I mean I guess Josiah We haven't I have so many Places to begin I have so many I'm so glad To be here This is As tragic As it is First of all Epic season 50 lived up To the hype Right

[00:08:20] Like there was A lot of hype Around 50 When you get That much hype You get nervous My opinion Which is The only right opinion 50 lived up To the hype Right Like it's been Incredible First of all Jack You called this Happening Like two episodes Ago After the Beast Mr. Beast You're like I could see Rizzo Turning on Sarit You said that And And the dude You called it Right Props to you Like he called it It happened There's a lot To go into this I don't know What hot takes You want right now But like first of all

[00:08:50] Like Rizzo Is solidifying himself As one of the greats Right I feel like this is A torch being passed From Sarit to Rizzo I can go off For a while Right Like anyone I feel like There's some hate Of going around Rizzo With people who play And they're haters They're haters Right The kid is great I think he deserves A lot of credit A lot of flowers He's young But like Emotional quotes This is why Bryce you don't know I say this But I'm gonna say it right now Like The celebrity traitors I think you should be on it And the reason is

[00:09:18] Because emotional quotient Is such a huge thing Right Like that Like So there's an IQ Right There are people I work with some people Who have a great IQ Right And then there are people Who have a great EQ An emotional quotient Where you can read people You read the room I think Rizzo's EQ Is the best part Of his game Well clearly The guy sucks At challenges and puzzles Right But he makes it far Every damn time Right Because his emotional quotient Doing so great So I feel like Here Ding the thing Or whatever Rizzo Is one of the greats

[00:09:47] And one of the future players I'll like Put him on Mount Rushmore Of the future players Of the new generation That's That's how I'm starting That's a hot take Josiah I'm here for it So you know how Do you ever feel like In your family Where it's like In the house I could talk about you But you can't talk about me You can't talk about my family Outside the house Right I feel like that With Rizzo Because I gotta cuss Rizzo Out real quick

[00:10:16] Because listen It's two episodes In a row Riz God You got my man And now you got the queen And so while we're Inside the house F you Who do you think you are Yeah Yeah Who do you think you are Get his ass Get his ass Okay listen Cause I Rizzo When I see you I'ma pop you On sight On sight But also Also Cause I don't want no smoke With the Liz God

[00:10:45] I don't want no That's his girlfriend And the The Liz God Got hands And so That was inside the house For Riz God Outside of the house Chef's kiss You were working With two legends Okay You was going far There And there also is a lot of Negative discourse On Riz God Right now Online Where these random Celebrities Is putting up The middle fingers Talking trash And everyone's like Oh he's not

[00:11:15] Doing anything Oh he's Da da da Baby He just made it To the final episode Of season 50 What are you doing He was warrior Trash hawking The Riz God It's It's I just You don't I'm kidding Is Billy I just Involved again I just start Throwing out Brad Pitt Like I'm just kidding Billy I just Doesn't throw Anything around Billy I just Disappeared Completely From the Survivor community I'm sorry Billy I just Of course But First of all I don't want No beef With Liz God Or Riz God No God

[00:11:45] But Come on Like I really Feel like that Like when I see Some other people Talking Especially people Who play Like there's There's a lot Of ego And I'm gonna go Into this too I think ego Plays a big role In this game This season Right That's why I called it You could ask My wife Bryce When you see her Ask her I called this I said See the Seree Aubrey Like I said That third episode You know why Because they They killed Their own egos That's why Seree so damn Good Seree so fucking Good Because she does Not Even though she Is one of the

[00:12:14] Greats Her ego is Constantly in check Right She lets other People think They have the Ideas They're making Those Aubrey No ego Right And I think This season The person Who wins Is not A boisterous They're a person Who like Makes themselves Be a low threat Until the end And I'm still Living by I still got a chance Here with Aubrey Because I called Those first two And like That's what I think Is happening Now Now with that ego People see Rizzo This new kid On the block Who Personally I don't think

[00:12:44] Unless he's next to Jonathan and Joe I don't think he's gonna Win the game Because for some reason There's like Some kind of deal That everybody made That if you're young You can't win a million dollars I don't know why It's a Hatter-Zander Hastings I hold that personally To this day He deserved to win it that day With that too Right 100% But for some reason If you're 18-19 You're not gonna win a million dollars That's how it goes But that That kid is playing a great game And there's a lot of ego Being like No he's not that good He's not that good But it's on camera You know You can't sit You can't sit

[00:13:13] You can't sit We can watch I have eyes and ears That they work Fairly well I'm watching the kid be great So that's my feeling Liz God Don't beat the shit out of me Riz God You can't do challenges So I'm not too worried About you beating the shit out of me But your girlfriend can box Liz God can And so Again I'm mad at the Riz God But also at the same time I respect game And it's like Listen You're working with these two amazing people And if you Why would you Once you go to the end with them And if you have the opportunity To take them out I see it

[00:13:43] And so While I am in mourning And again The Riz God will get popped I see it On sight On sight I see I respect it What's your thoughts Jack? Oh man Where to even begin I'm definitely I mean As far as the Riz God goes He's playing a great game Like he He Was in Kind of everywhere And he's very self-aware About his People's perception

[00:14:13] Of him And how he needs to make these moves At the end to change that I do agree though I You know I think Even if he gets to the end It can be a little tricky Just because of him Coming off 49 I think he came from a place Of people not knowing him He knew he kind of had to play up This super fan Component And I don't know If a lot of the Older players on the jury Will necessarily respect that If he's in the final three But he is playing a great game With the hand he's been dealt And I think he has solidified himself As like a modern day Survivor legend

[00:14:43] And definitely If he goes back On another season Now people seeing Both of 49 and 50 He's going to be a threat And then that's going to Put him in a position Like if he gets to the end He's going to have A lot of respect Is it crazy to say I'm like I'm starting to be A little bit over Survivor 50 Like Obviously I'm excited Oh hot Take king the bell We got one episode left I'm excited for the finale But last night We lost You know Two legends We're kind of

[00:15:12] Here at the end With a A hodgepodge Of players Now don't get me wrong I'm rooting hard For my girl Tith Yeah I'm with you But I think If you said up top At this season That this would be The final five It's not the most Riveting final five And my other gripe Is like I look back on the season And think about like My favorite episodes And the best moments They were all Kind of like In those single

[00:15:41] Tribal episodes You know what I mean And now I still count The coach and Chrissy Vote out Was a double vote out But it was one tribal When I thought that was A great episode I just think the nature Of this season It just feels so sped up And it's not There hasn't been time To allow things to breathe And I think you look back On this season And you think about like Signature moments That like define a season I mean I think we'll look back And we're gonna think about Like the Mr. Beast coin Which was a great episode But like Is that to us

[00:16:11] Like a great season Of Survivor Not necessarily And I'm hoping the finale Can change my mind On some things And don't get me wrong It's like It's been a good season But it hasn't been like A great season In my book And I think last night Just sort of Encapsulated that Where we lose two greats But at the same time The episode felt a little bit Like sped up We have this double vote out Which I understand What I'm doing Because a lot of times When the vote's Pretty cut and dry They sometimes Will put those back to back To like

[00:16:41] Accelerate things a little bit Because you don't want to watch An hour and a half And then be like Okay it's Rick And then another hour and a half And I'll be like Okay it's three But I don't know I don't know I mean I'm rooting hard For Tiff And if Tiff can pull it out I think it's going to be An epic ending But outside of that There's not a lot Of other people You know I like Brazil But I think his odds Are he's got kind of A long shot Just in the terms of Pitching to this jury And so Other than that I'm not I'm not too I'm not going to be

[00:17:10] Too thrilled about a Joe or Jonathan Or Aubrey I'll say that Well I will say I'm with you Looking back If this would I Would have saw As a final five I don't know But I still have some hope With our girl Tiffany And With our girl Aubrey And I keep going back To Aubrey's First two seasons Like And I love Michelle Fitzgerald But I loved Aubrey That season And I I felt like Aubrey should have won

[00:17:40] But Whoa But On the record Whoa But I'm just First of all A winner is a winner Like Are pods Going to cancel Listen A winner Me writing a review Right now I thought Dominic Abate Should have won Winners at war I'm just saying Right Like I mean no Go silent No I loved Michelle And I thought it was deserving But Watching the show Like I really I saw

[00:18:09] Aubrey's art Right And so I feel like She's always just been This underdog So I I got love for Aubrey And of course I have love for Tiff I have love for the Riz But again Like you said It's an uphill battle And Joe I'm just not sure What his pitch Would be As to actually What he done What he's done And then Jonathan Is just You know Jonathan And it even takes me Back to earlier In the episode When they get back And Jonathan's like That was my move

[00:18:39] I got Mr. Ozzy out That was all me I saw his name And I said We gotta get him out And I love how Aubrey's like Well That's interesting Because All the information Came to me And I blew Ish up And so I get it It makes me think Like say If Jonathan Is at the end Is that the type Of final speech Jonathan is going To be giving Like where it's like What moves Did you really Kind of do And it's like Yeah

[00:19:09] I really determined What happened Yeah You had two votes And you sat in Both the tribals You would have a second Yeah Yeah I do think Jonathan's played Like a sneaky Very good game But I do agree That I struggle To see him At a final travel council Like really Really articulating In the way that This jury Is going to want to hear Not even to say That Jonathan's not Like a well-spoken guy But more so Just like Like you said With this episode I think he's going To take too much credit For things that Were not fully him

[00:19:37] And maybe just not Understand exactly What the jury Is looking I mean look He'll probably get Like a coach A coach vote And a Chrissy vote And a Stephanie vote Surprise surprise Right Would go elsewhere Cy what do you think About Jonathan Surprise Surprise Surprise Surprise So what What I think about Jonathan and Joe Both being there First of all First of all With Joe Joe is a great firefighter If my house is on fire

[00:20:06] Please for the love of God Let Joe be there Joe on Survivor Isn't playing the game Like they're playing This It's outwit Outplay outlast There's no wit Going on here It's like We're going to vote For this person And there's no twist There's no witty No cunningest I think Jonathan and Joe Are where they are Because People like Sari Brought them there Like the two zombies That were attached To Michonne In What's the The zombie

[00:20:36] Show Do you know what I'm talking about With Rick The Walking Dead Yes Yes Remember Michonne was her name Right I didn't watch that show Oh my god So there's two zombies She carries with her That hides her scent And But they're They're not like Super powerful She carries her with them To hide her scent And that's And they're predictable Right That's what Joe And Jonathan Remind me of They're playing They're great Listen When I watched Jonathan's season When he was in the ocean And was the only person Able to do that challenge By himself

[00:21:06] I was like That's incredible There's no getting around it Right Setting a world record With 100 pounds On their back That's incredible Great challenge beast Both of them But the game They're playing Is predictable So the reason You're like Oh man This isn't a great Final five Is because Great people Chose to take them To the final five Right I think there's A differentiation Between Jonathan And Joe In terms of the game Like I agree There's similar Vibe But Jonathan Is a much Stronger player Than Joe In my opinion Strategically you're saying Yeah Yeah Yeah

[00:21:35] Yeah Yeah Yeah I think they have A very similar Predictability For people You don't want Rick Devins You definitely don't Want Emily Flippin Right Because They are not Easily manipulated Right And whereas You know what's Going to happen With Joe and Jonathan And I'd rather Have somebody there Who I can predict Right And again In personal life Like outside of the game That's a great Characteristic to have Right That what you say Is what you say Your word is your word But like if we're Playing soccer And someone's like

[00:22:05] I'm not gonna steal the ball Because I don't like stealing I'm like then don't be On my damn team I'm not playing this game With you right Like we're gonna steal the ball So that's That's what's happening In this game And I think that's That's why People want them around So much Because they're predictable And I And I think That's sort of Reflective of The gripe that I expressed Of like It feels a little bit rushed Because Hey when you have When you have a tribal Happening every day And also you have these Like double eliminations And a twist Almost every episode It sort of incentivizes

[00:22:35] Players to be a little bit Safer because You know In old school seasons You'd have three days Between the next tribal And you kind of know What the tribal is Gonna be What it usually is And that allows you To be like Alright let me start Hatching a plan I'll have a few days To start cooking this plan up And there's not gonna be A wrench thrown in my plan Now you have like You get back from tribal You have a challenge The next morning When are you gonna Cook up this plan And gosh

[00:23:04] You get some momentum On the plan It's like Oh we're actually Gonna split you guys Into eight separate tribes Have to go Like hang out With Mr. Beast And Now these players Like don't know What's coming So it Disincentivizes them To play like Risky games In which I think Naturally leads to Okay what's the safe option That's just gonna Help me survive It's gonna be Picking off these Bigger targets Which is just like What we don't Want to see And then you Get to this point Now where

[00:23:33] It basically feels like Hey look I think Aubrey's Kind of coming to her own To some extent Yeah But I think Her coming into Her own Is more or less Her Stumbling through A lot of the game Then being smart And aware enough To be like Okay I'm in sort of A bottom position Let me rally These other Bottoms Bryce you might have Wait a minute We heard you We heard you We get it So obviously She grabs

[00:24:03] Where do you need me To go Jan She grabs Joe She grabs Jonathan And it's sort of All these players Are smart enough It's kind of Cut and dry To be like Okay we're Probably the Three Three of the Four players With like The least win Equity here Let's just Stick together And then Okay now It's the people That at the Merge Probably had The least win Equity Or the Like not Like the Smallest threats And now Obviously They're just Going to stick Together Potentially go To the end

[00:24:32] And then It's like What the Final three It's like Aubrey Joe And Jonathan Just because Everybody else Was a bigger Threat than them Right That's the Most fun thing I think that's By and large A big byproduct Of this new 26 day game And look I tip my hat To them Giving 24 Bringing 24 Players out But I think When you do that You still have to Give the game Time to breathe And so I don't know I think there's My rebuttal To that is Right Because

[00:25:01] I got a Different take I hear your Opinion But I Feel a little Differently I think I think I think I think I think I was saying It is going To be Old school Players And then There's going To be like The new School New era Type of Players Right And so I think We see That very Clearly What we Have left Like Joe Jonathan Very Old school Players We have Tiffany Aubrey And Rizzo Very new School And so

[00:25:31] I think Where I Disagree With you And what I Love about This season Is that You're right Like it is Easy to be Safe Right When you Don't know What's coming But That's what I enjoy The most In that The sense That It's season 50 And I'm Going to Talk Christian Hubecky For a little Bit Right I feel Like his Achilles Heel Was that Don't Don't Don't

[00:26:01] Shoot the Messenger But I'm Just saying I loved Him But maybe He was Doing too Much Right In the Sense of Like you Are being So Manipulative You are Being so Smart And it Does put A target On your Back And I Think like The way To maneuver In this New era Or new New era In season 50 When you Have these Old school Voting Blocks And you Have this New school Era You Kind of Have to Waver Back And forth And so I think We have These blocks Of new

[00:26:30] Era Just new Era Then we Have this Old school Area Like old School And then It collides And then What do you Have left And so Like I Think that That's where You're Seeing Is because Just like We are Hating How predictable Some of the Old school Players are You have To acknowledge That some Of the new School And so That's why I kind of Enjoy A little Aubrey A little Tiff A little You know People who Have like

[00:27:00] All right I gotta Move and Shake Well Bryce I totally Agree that Within the Parameters Of this Season 50 Game That that Is absolutely Like the Ideal strategy And you See people Like an Aubrey And a Tiffany Who I Think are Doing a Good And even A Jonathan Who have Done a good Job of Kind of Balancing Both those Like old School styles But also Keeping up With the New school Game But I think That also You sort Of Encapsulated My issue Is that If the Best gameplay

[00:27:30] Is to Sort of Just like Keep your Head down And lay Low That's Not good TV Right And so We're Creating this Precedent Where now On the Biggest Season Maybe the Biggest Season Ever The The The The The The The is just to like keep your head down a little bit and play it a little bit safer, which of course is good strategy. So I don't have any issue with any of the players for doing that. Obviously that's the best gameplay you could have here,

[00:27:58] but that's why I think something's a little bit off about the product of this season. And thank God for Rick Devins for not doing that. And he paid it more than he should. Like then he usually, you know, he got lucky in a few senses in the fact that he lasted and thank God he did because he actually, you know, played hard and played flashy, which is not always the best gameplay, but it's like good TV. And I think we as viewers should be, I mean, and again, this is not any direct critique of any of the players.

[00:28:28] It's more of the structure of what the show has become of like this sort of gameplay being like kind of by large, the best sort of gameplay. But I think it leads to maybe the least entertaining TV. And I wish some things were different, I guess, to make it so that wasn't the case. Yeah, I think, I think that what's happened, I want, I want to go to Tiffin and Sari and why they're playing such a good game.

[00:28:57] Like the things that they do is what I think a good player does, right? A great player does is that, and Rizzo does it too. Rizzo does it great too. They plant a seed without telling people what to do, right? Right, Sari is the best. Let's just focus on Sari for a little bit. Tiff and Sari did this a lot this episode where they don't tell you, I want you to do this. Sari never does that. It's, that's why she's masterful. And I'm dressed in scrubs right now. I'm obviously, I just came from the operating room

[00:29:25] or Sari is an operating room manager, right? And I think that that, to talk, to speak to her personal life, maybe her work life, how that balances. You work with people. She, she like works traffic for surgeons, people who make minimum wage to people who are making over a million dollars a year, right? You have to be able to talk to people who some people, like some people think they are God, right? Some surgeons, it's like a joke and the, oh, some surgeons think they're God, right? And she has to get them to do what she wants to do on a daily basis, right?

[00:29:54] In the island, she applies that all the time. She says things like, well, what do you think is going to happen if we do that? When she doesn't want them to get out Aussie, right? That's what's masterful. So in what I'm saying, like you have to swallow your pride a little bit and not see Christian Ubiqui, one of my favorite players ever, very boisterous. Like he's playing, like he's telling people what to do. You know, he's making his plans more obvious than Suri. The reason Suri is masterful and Tiff what they were doing and Rizzo sometimes, they plant a seed. And so, so instead of saying, I don't want to get Aussie out. She says, what do you think happens if Aussie gets out?

[00:30:25] And then they're like, I think they're going to, she did it with Jonathan this episode. Yeah. Well, she did it with Rizzo when they were saying it's Tiffany. And then she was like, well, what if Tiffany doesn't win? Yes. Who are y'all going to go after? Exactly. Exactly. Like what's your thought process there? Yeah. And she, and oh, it was with Aubrey, right? Somebody did it with Jonathan and Aubrey. Was this Suri? She told Jonathan, she told Jonathan that Aubrey was the reason that she knew about the Tiffany vote when in reality it was Rizzo. Genius.

[00:30:55] Right. And now Rizzo, and Rizzo's like masterclass because yeah, she plants these little seeds and she put Rizzo in a corner. Like, what are you going to do? Tell him that I said it. And so Rizzo's stuck being like, don't worry about it. It's not a big deal. She does these small things that I think is what wins the game. And I think ultimately, again, the reason that we don't have these big flashy players right now is because I think, I think at least that is season 50. There she is. Mother Suri up on the screen. I think it's season 50 where everybody is like,

[00:31:25] like, I know the players that are good at this game and I don't want them sitting beside me. Whereas in a new season, I would hope, right? I would hope that people are trying to make a name, make moves, play the game aggressively. People don't actually know you. So, Seri shouldn't have been there after day one. If I walked on a beach, if I walk on any beach and I see Seri, I'm like, get her on her boat, get the fuck out of here because I don't know what's going to happen. She's so good, right? She shouldn't be there. She should not have been there. So, I'm just shocked that she was there. That's, that's masterful in itself that she made it this long.

[00:31:54] And she made it this far. She ran this season. Like, I think even whoever, I think whoever even ends up winning, I'm still going to look back and be like, Seri ran the show here. I saw someone, I think, like a comment online that I thought was really interesting that I want to throw out to you guys. You know, Devin's at seven, kind of a cut and dry foe. And we see Tiffany hatching this plan to maybe blindside Rizzo with his idol.

[00:32:23] And it seemed like Seri was the one who actually kind of put the kaput on that. But, you know, you look, and obviously hindsight's 20-20, but is there any merit to Seri blindsiding Rizzo? Less about Rizzo maybe betraying her and more about the fact that you keep Devin's in who could be a shield for her. Maybe you take out Devin's at six or even five and I can help Seri get to a five or a four. Is that, is that, but at the same time, Seri would essentially be cutting her closest ally.

[00:32:53] Is that like a worthwhile? Of course we know in retrospect, but at seven, do you feel like, hey, I think in retrospect, that's the best move she could have made for sure. What about, kind of hindsight aside, in the moment, I mean, I don't think there's any way in the moment, I don't think there's any way in the moment that that made sense to her. And she's brilliant, right? She is one of, if not the best to play this game. I don't think in that moment that made sense to her. Like, she knew Rizzo's, I mean, not Rizzo,

[00:33:22] that she knew that Devin's was going to go. Everyone was like, Devin's is going to go, which I wouldn't want to be sitting next to Devin's either. She doesn't want to be sitting next to Devin's. No one wants to be sitting next to Devin's at the end. So, yeah. And who else have we heard this season, Seri say, I can make a case for a million dollars for? No one, but a Riz, right? And so it's like, I think it's a reason she's like, get out of Devin's. But, I was with Tiffany and again, it makes me think, and again, I love Riz God and no disrespect

[00:33:52] to the Riz God because I think, again, I think he is a, he is on his way to being a legend status. But, I thought it was so interesting and reflecting on the episode, like, why is it that no one is even targeting Riz with this idol? Why does Tiffany have to scream it? And, it makes me think of like, the winner equity. Like, do they not see Riz like how we are

[00:34:21] seeing him via the edit? Because through the edit, I'm like, the Riz is cooking it. The Riz is on Fortnite killing it. He's in Grand Theft Auto stealing cars and robbing liquor stores. Right? And, but, it just is so crazy to me where it's like with Ozzy, they were like, oh, we can't, this has to, we gotta flush it. And with Riz, it's like, it's never coming up. And, I also just want to say, in these last, this episode specifically, but even last week's episode,

[00:34:51] the amount of Tiffany screen time that we are getting, one, I love it, but not, and we're not just getting no random Tiffany screen time. My girl is talking that talk. She is like, trying to flush idols. She is trying to push narratives. She is trying to get people to be like, you gotta pick a side. What's up? And the thing that pisses me off, because like, Tiffany is a personal friend of mine, like you, Jack, like, that's my girl. I know this just

[00:35:21] didn't come out of nowhere, Josiah, right? I know Tiffany did just wake up yesterday and was like, oh, let's go. I know Tiff has been out there moving and shaking this whole time, and I wish we could have seen a lot more of it. Oh, oh, I think that everybody agrees with you. The Tiffany is, whatever Tiffany is on screen, it's not only entertaining, but it's giving a good perspective. Like, it is what it is. I told Alyssa, because Alyssa, my wife is Alyssa, she loves Tiff. I mean, oh my God,

[00:35:51] you should have, she like was, we lay in bed like at fucking seven now because we have a little girl. So, we're laying in bed at Tiffany Bella. She jumps out of bed. Like, she loses her mind during the immunity challenge. Loves Tiffany. But I told Alyssa early on when Tiffany was in screen time, I was like, I really think this means later on in the season, she's going to last for a while. And I think that that's now getting pieced together, right? So, I'm just glad she's getting the time now to like, she's laying it out, right? Absolutely. She's playing a great game. I completely agree. I do think,

[00:36:21] I do think Bryce that, and I don't agree with it, that people are keeping Rizzo because they don't see him winning and sitting next to him, including Jonathan and Joe. I think they both see Rizzo and they're like, and they might be right, right? Because again, there's some kind of unwritten rule that if you're like a teenager or however old he is, you can't win a million dollars. So, I think that that is why they don't realize that he's so good at this game, right? I really, I don't know what will happen. I think that anyone sitting next to, if Aubrey and Tiff

[00:36:51] are in the final three, I think one of them win. If it's Rizzo, Jonathan, and Joe, I do not know what will happen. I have no idea what will happen because the whole cloth alliance might have to, what do they do? Now, now, the cloth alliance is in shambles, right? It becomes a tether, a tear, right? Because who do they go for Jonathan, Joe? Do they split? Then Rizzo wins? I don't know, but we'll have to find out, I guess, but I think that's what. Are you cut from that cloth, Josiah? No,

[00:37:21] so first of all, am I cut from that cloth? If someone came up to me, if I was not on island, if Chrissy came up to me and was like, we're cut from the same cloth, I'd be like, oh my God, I don't think I'm cut from that cloth. You know what I mean? I have a tough cloth, you know? I'm like a fiber that you put down at a barbecue and you kind of throw it away. I'm Philly trash, Bryce, is what I'm saying. So first of all, Bryce, don't get me at that because the first time you ever saw me in a photo, you know what you said about me? I know. Jack, do you want to know what you said about me? You might not get

[00:37:51] the reference. He said, no, Josiah's from Delco and everyone from Philadelphia knows what the fuck that means, Bryce. And that's a very Philadelphia, so you thought I was cut from that cloth. And hey, you know what? That's a very specific thing, Jack. All right. It's from Delco. You got Delco. Delco. Delco. Delco. So that's it. So I don't fucking know, man, but no, I don't think they would let me sit with the cloth alliance. Yeah. You saw us, Bryce? Yeah, I remember.

[00:38:30] I was like, what fucking cloth are we talking about? You're a super fan too? She's like, he's like, we yeeted that thing. She's like, no, we're not coming from the same cloth actually, actually now. You just say yeet and then Rizzo had to go sit by himself. Bryce, we talked about this with Rizzo last season and I think it applies even more this season where I think it's a combination of, I think one, people are not that concerned about sitting next to him generally. What, you know,

[00:39:00] whether that's right or wrong. I think in the context of 50 where they don't even, haven't even seen his 49 game that's sort of like, you know, he's like along for the fan experience or something. But the other component is I think Rizzo is a great player and he manages his idol like incredibly well and we've talked about this in the past. We also talked about this with like a Xander at 41 where if you're really good with sort of bluffing your idol, I think people naturally, instead of like trying to figure

[00:39:30] out a way around it, they sort of are like, okay, you know what? We're not like worried about this person anyways. Like, let's not address the idol. And I think they sort of subconsciously like people tend to like almost collectively agree. And now it depends on the player, but we'll sort of collectively agree to like write you off so that they, because I think if we really get up bluffing the idol and people like people don't want to feel like they're being foolish, so they're not going to sit there and be like, damn, Rizzo's like constantly outmaneuvering us. Instead of this, you know what? We're not worried about

[00:40:00] Rizzo anyway. And I feel like that happened in 49 where they're like, we don't even have to bother with Rizzo. We'll just give him a free pass. And I think because people have this sense that, oh, now Rizzo has like a free pass, which he doesn't, because obviously he earned the idol. He's playing it well. I think maybe in their minds it's like, oh, Rizzo has a free pass. Well, he didn't play as much of, like, he didn't have to play the same game I did. Like, I'm not going to vote for him. And I totally, if I were in Rizzo's shoes, I'd be doing the same thing. And I think it's a short sighted by people on the jury, but I think it's just

[00:40:30] human nature. I disagree. Just, I don't think, I think that is the case for 50 in the sense where it's like, he's not even bluffing his idol, right? It's not even really coming up, right? The last couple travels, he was like, I think I'm going to play. But, I mean, he said that to it's true. He wasn't as like 49. And so, I will say in 49, though, although, like, people weren't paying it any mind, I do feel like he used it, right? Like, he definitely,

[00:40:59] that was a mechanism for him. And so, whether, how they responded to it, being like, okay, but he still made that known. 49, I definitely feel like it was a thing. I think in 50, they're just not even giving that idol any equity. And I think to Tiffany's point, when Tiffany brings it up, I feel like they're acknowledging it for Tiffany, right? Because clearly we see they're not really working with Tiffany. So I feel

[00:41:28] like when Tiffany does make it an issue, they're like, oh, yeah, we got to do something. But no, I agree. I think it's sort of like, again, if they're not seeing Rizzo as a huge threat, then the attention and effort required to then try to flush his idol, it's easier to just be like, well, I'm not that worried about Rizzo anyway. Why don't we get out of Rick Devins? You know what I mean? Riddle me the, oh, go ahead, Rosai. What I was going to say, what's even crazy about his idol is he didn't earn it, right? What's crazy about that

[00:41:58] idol is Genevieve was like, I think this is a guy who's going to get voted out with an idol in this pocket. Because it was a Billie Eilish boomerang idol. Because Billie Eilish is a huge, huge fan of Survivor, as we all know. So that's what's crazy is like, this kid, I keep calling him kid, he's not a kid, but this guy. He's 16. That's wild. Yeah. So this guy is like going out there, has this idol that he gets because someone thinks he's

[00:42:28] going to get voted out with an idol in his pocket. And he continues to have an idol again, back-to-back seasons with it all the way to the end. They don't respect his game yet. That's why I keep saying, I mean, I think Rizzo's, I didn't realize you had the shirt on because you're on my phone, wearing the Rizzo shirt, buy the Rizzo merch. The guy's playing a great game. And I think that he's getting some hate from players and stuff because he's young and playing a great game. But like, legends deserve it. It would almost be

[00:42:59] if these all these players had seen 49 how, obviously that's just a thing we'll never know. But like, would they have an effect of them just seeing him bluff? Would he have then been a threat? Would it still sort of be a similar situation? I don't know. Curious to know what y'all thoughts, right? Because we're saying it appears that to everyone left, he doesn't really have any winner equity. And like, what you were saying with the idol, Jack, where it's like, once they know you have the idol, it's kind of like, oh,

[00:43:29] I almost feel like, now tell me to Josiah, because I'm always learning, because, you know, I've never got to play the game Survivor. Jack has played the game of Survivor. And so I'm always testing Jack's knowledge, because Jack, Jack, no. And so in my mind, right? Like, I'm thinking if I'm Rizzo, and again, hindsight is 20-20, I almost wonder if he were to play the idol for Sari, and then knocked off a Jonathan or something,

[00:43:59] like, the way that that would have boosted his resume, or do y'all don't think that would do enough? Horrible play. Horrible play. Really? I think it's worth the situation. Like, if he does that at six and then votes out at five and then, like, makes fire at four, survivor. That's, yeah, that's a lot of game. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I'm talking about survivor. If I'm on a beach, if I'm in Cape May, New Jersey, and Sari steps on the beach, I'm gonna get her off the beach, you know? Like, Rizzo made that move to get Sari off the beach.

[00:44:28] I would not want to keep Sari around. She's too great. It's her game. You know, she's in finals over. I do agree, Bryce. I think who does he save that is a big move, right? Because, you know, say the targets are like Tiffany and Jonathan. Probably better for his game if Tiffany goes out instead of Jonathan. Right. And like, the votes would probably

[00:44:58] be on a Tiffany. So like, why would he idle Tiffany? You know what I mean? It was almost, it'd almost be like, he'd want to play the idol at five or six or whatever for someone that like, is the target, but is also good for his game. Yeah. Like, like, what's the situation going to be? Because who's Rizzo's ideal final three? It's probably Jonathan and Joe, right? A million percent. A million percent. My guess is that the votes at five are going to be on like Tiffany and Aubrey. Jonathan and Joe feel like it's like everyone kind of maybe wants to go to the answer. So I don't

[00:45:28] know. And that's why, to your point, Bryce, I think Rizzo knows his role, but he also knows also in his effort to gain respect, voting out Sari is a resume builder. Oh, gosh, huge, huge. More of a resume builder than if he just like, because if he plays the title to save Sari, it's almost like, does he kind of look like a Sari pawn? He's one of the worst moves ever. Yeah. Looking at the jury and looking at this move

[00:45:58] though, who gets, I don't know if Rizzo gets the credit for this to re-vote out. Maybe not in full, but no, but at least he can talk about it at the end. I like the idea of him using, I like the idea that you're saying of him using his idol for more than just playing it on himself. If he does, the best thing he could do is like you said, Jack, if he uses it on Jonathan or Joe. And I think even if they don't get voted out, for him to say, you know what, I've had this idol, I did it two seasons in a row, if he's sitting next to them too, right?

[00:46:29] Honestly, I think that's his best chance at winning. If he's sitting next to them too, I've had an idol in my pocket, used it all the way to the end, kept it, and then I used it to save these people because I wanted them sitting next to me. The way you win is that final tribal council. So many times there were people that I was like, I don't see how they win, and then they present themselves so well that I'm like, wow, that's where they want it. So I think if Rizzo gets a chance to be like, I made a move even though it didn't work out, like you're saying, Jack, that they got out Tiffany, I wanted Jonathan and Joe next to

[00:46:59] me. And then that's his best chance. I like that idea. Yeah, but again, I think that given Rizzo has an idol, he, Jonathan, Joe, probably all vote the same way at five, whatever that might be. So then it's sort of like, all right, well, you put your idol on Joe and it's like, well, he was not going home. It doesn't have a do you think what if if Rizzo played his idol for Joe, do you think Joe would accept it? He's like, wait, no,

[00:47:28] you doing some old shirkery stuff here. He's like, I saw Devons play a fake one. Also, Bryce, to your point, I think with the Sari idea, I don't mind it, but I think in saving Sari, you sort of want to be like, hey, I want to keep my shield here one episode longer so that I can vote her out at five. But, Bryce, when he gets through six with his idol, he knows he's going to be safe at five because he still has the

[00:47:58] idol. You just said you was tired of a safe game, Jack. You said you was tired of these people. I'm tired of safe gameplay, but I'm not tired of people who want to be like literally safe, like immune. Okay, Joe. Because keeping your shield does not get voted out. But if you vote Sari out and you keep your idol, then you will not be voted out of five. Okay, Jack, but like, okay, but Jack, hear me out. You just said, but yeah, you got to

[00:48:28] play a risky game. You got to vote her out later. Yes, but you're saying to keep it to be safe. As in literally to be immune. Because if you're keeping your shield in, you're keeping them in so that you do not get voted out. So the goal is to keep Rizzo around longer so that you vote her out at five or maybe she has to make fire at four. But if you can just vote her out at six and you have your idol, you still know you are not going to be voted out. Yeah, I'm telling y'all right now, if Rizzo

[00:48:57] kept Sari around, I would not have come on here and been like, this kid's incredible and deserves future Mount Rushmore. I believe that's one of the dumbest plays ever. So the fact that he Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We could see him work the moves. I'm just saying. I think you might be a Sari fan, Bryce. I think you might be a Sari fan. Now, I think there's a world where maybe he makes a different move at six, keeping his idol

[00:49:27] to then get out maybe a sneakier target at six and then at five be on board with like, okay, Sari's the threat. Because when you take out Sari at six, maybe he doesn't have as much momentum at five to his ideal target. I don't know who that would be, probably a Tiffany or an Aubrey, but maybe there's a world at six, you take out like an Aubrey and then you take out Sari and then you've set the table a little bit more for yourself to then be like, okay,

[00:49:57] people wanted Sari, I got out an Aubrey, then I got Sari at five when it was an obvious move. And now I'm here at the end with Jonathan and with Joe, and they had wanted Sari at six, but I went around that, you know, whatever that might be. But I think Rizzo is like, if I put myself in Rizzo's shoes, I think he's doing pretty much exactly what I'm doing. And so it's hard to critique. And it's just one of those things where I think from the jump, his strategy of like leaning into being the super

[00:50:27] fan and the new guy is a great way to make a deep run. But now you see the percussion of like kind of lowering your threat level in that way. It is then hard to have winner equity taking moves now to try to recover that, but it's just kind of a catch-22 where that's just the perception that he has partly against not even in his control, like his season hasn't even come out yet. So it's a double-edged sword where there's pros and cons, and I think that's a big reason he got this far. And I think it's also a big reason why he might not win.

[00:50:56] Can I, can I, sorry, sorry, Bryce. I want, so we've covered a lot, but I didn't get the chance to just gush over Rick Devins. Because like he, you know, like he's, I mean, he epitomizes who I want to see and who I think a lot of people want to see on reality TV in that he plays extremely hard, extremely hard. He plays with everything he has and he has the best time

[00:51:26] doing it, right? And the Cloth Alliance looks like they don't do either one of those, right? Like they're not playing the game or they never look like they're having fun, right? And it's like, damn, like, you know, that's the truth. I think they watch it and they're like, was I having fun? No, you weren't. Like, Rick Devins is like, even when he's on the, even when he's low, even when nobody's thought he's a pariah, he says. Even Sarie Fields was mad at him, right? Which, that sucks. Now you really feel like a pariah. He's having a great time, appreciates the moment. His whole thing of like, where he was like, I feel closer to heaven out here. It's just

[00:51:56] like, that's, I can't gush enough about Rick Devins. Like, what, like you said, Jack, like, this season wouldn't be the same, right, Bryce? Like, you all have been talking about it. It wouldn't even be close to the same, but he like, does the best thing a reality TV contestant can do, competitor can do, is like, enjoy it and play so hard. And I've loved him watching him this season. I can't, I agree everything with you. My only but is, I think what I like about cuss, not even a but,

[00:52:26] my and. Okay. Okay, sorry. Yeah. My and is, yeah, you love him for all of that. That's my cousin Ricky. I think why I love him is because he plays hard, he loves hard, but he'll cuss a bitch out. And I love it. Okay, Rick Devins ain't scared to cuss bitches out. And I like, that excites me. And like, you are absolutely right. Like, Rick Devins was a joy to watch.

[00:52:55] And so heartbreaking to, I think, that moment when he is like, and we know him and Joe, they don't even oil and water. Him on that hammock and just like, realizing that like, I think I might be up for me and just like, he's not even giving up, but he's like, I'm facing with the fact that like, I might be hitting the wall, but if I'm gonna hit the wall, pedal to the metal, but like, he's just like, just that

[00:53:25] memorializing or memorial memorialization of his game. I don't, that touched me, right? Like, it was just like, because it's, there are times where you just give up sometimes and it's just like, oh, right? And it's just like, poor me. And that's not what it was. It was like, have you ever seen a movie, set it off, Josiah? That nursing movie, set it off. Okay. Wow, I'm not even gonna ask you, Josiah. Is it about an alarm clock? No,

[00:53:56] it's with Queen Latifah, Jada Pickett Smith, it's when they're bank robbers, she plays Cleo, and at the end, uh, they got away with the money, but the police are trapping Cleo, and Cleo is like the getaway driver, all the girls, a girl has died, Jada Pickett has gotten away, Vivica Fox just died, and Cleo was in the car, the police are surrounding her, and like, she's sitting in the car, and it's one of those like cars,

[00:54:25] and she rolls down the window, the helicopters are on her, and they're like, pull it over! She rolls her window down, she lights a cigarette, smokes the cigarette, puts her car up, and presses the metal to the, to the police, and they ultimately kill her, and I felt like that, like, RZA, not RZA, Rick Devins was Cleo in the sense of like, he's like, I don't know what other way else to go out,

[00:54:54] but I'm going straight into it, and. Yeah, that's a great, and that's a great analogy, like, that's exactly what he did, right? Like, everyone surrounded him, he rolled the dice, and I love that he did that too, right? He was like, I'm not, and he said, I feel like, I feel like I'm lucky. He just, he plays so hard, and he has right? They want to be on reality, they want to be on the circle, they want to be on the floor is lava, right? Like, they want to be competing for real, for real, though, like, for real, for real, for real,

[00:55:24] there are people that they're dying to compete on this incredible stage, right? And then there are people who go on and who don't appreciate it, or don't seem to appreciate it. Maybe the audience is wrong, that's what we're seeing, but Rick Devins makes it clear the whole time, he can't hide it, he appreciates it, like, he's having the best and have a good time, he's playing his ass off to win, but he's also having a great time, and I agree, it's a, he's peddled to the metal.

[00:55:54] Yeah, he's one of, I think he's solidified himself as one of my all-time favorites, and all-time favorite for a lot of people, just the way, because if you get a season of 20 people that all play as hard as Rick, it's going to be good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was fantastic, I'm glad he made it this far, but it was really tough to lose him, and let alone he'll also lose the great Sarif Fields, but. Yeah, another movie trivia, Josiah first, just yes or no, have you ever heard of the movie

[00:56:23] Poetic Justice? Yes. Do you know two, you know two of the main actors in the movie? I'm not good at actors at all. Okay, all right, so, but you know the movie, Jack, have you ever heard of Poetic Justice, Jack? I've heard of the song by Kendrick Lamar. Poetic Justice, Poetic Justice, so it's two legendary artists in Poetic Justice. One is a deceased rapper, and one comes from

[00:56:54] Josiah. Okay, yeah, that's right, Tupac. So Tupac, and then there is a female role who comes from a legendary family, Jack, and I'll give you a hint. One of her songs is, doesn't matter what they do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. So she's a musical artist in the movie? Yes. Doesn't matter what the, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do,

[00:57:24] do, do, do, do, ever heard that song, Josiah or Jack? Was that Leah? No. No, I don't play, I don't play, I don't play. Josiah! Dude, that artist in one movie? What did I? Nah. I got no. Hold on, wait. Someone put that ground on. Hold on, wait. Let me just, I want to, because we got to hold on, wait, because I'm not doing, because that's the song I would think

[00:57:54] that Jack would know, but hold on. Let me just real quick. What is it? doesn't matter what the, okay, or, uh, I get so lonely, can't let just anybody, uh, they don't play this in Delco, Bryce, I'm going to be honest with you. Okay, wait, uh, where is the, all right,

[00:58:25] it's Janet Jackson. Uh, I mean, and she's before my time. She put, but yeah, Jack, she is before my time. Okay, but poetic justice. I knew that Tupac and Janet Jackson were in a, okay, yeah, after we said the name. So, I bring up poetic justice because I feel like we get that second immunity challenge

[00:58:56] and everybody is like, all of a sudden, now it's, now it's everybody against Tiff and everybody is, wait, how do you spell it? And what was the word? It was impeccable. Inconceivable. Okay. Which is what, which is how I felt when I saw everybody helping one person and Tiff working by herself. That was inconceivable to me that that was, I couldn't believe it. I was so heated. I was so mad. Alyssa, Alyssa was pissed.

[00:59:26] She was cursing the whole time in that. So, yeah, you're right. It was poetic justice that Tiff won that. She pulled it out, but when I saw that E-N, I said, wait a minute. I thought, I was trying to spell it. Well, I mean, it is slightly in their defense. It is because the, like, it has to be right on both sides. So, they might, you might have it right on one side, but if you don't put the block in the right order, then the opposite side looks all wonky. Not to say that, I mean, that's a big factor in the challenge.

[00:59:56] Yeah, look around. Not to say they had the spelling necessarily right either. Yeah. But, again, look, I mean, yeah, it was kind of ridiculous, but also, once you know the word, how much helping do you got to do with, you know, like, you just got to build the arch. Like, Aubrey was standing there being like, okay, I before E except after C. But it's like, you know, Aubrey, he knows the word. You can just go do your, your tower.

[01:00:25] And just to bring it up, just real quick, because I don't know what the rules are, but I always start in an individual immunity challenge. I thought maybe the rules should be you can only do your piece. I'm just curious with them five judges in the background was doing for me. We've seen crazier instances of helping than this. I mean, you're, they didn't touch

[01:00:55] the puzzle. Right, this is pretty, like, standard. I mean, we've seen people, like, look at other people's puzzles and, like, give them hints, you know? If someone came over and started helping them hold up their tower, then obviously that's not allowed. But, I think, you know, we see all the time people, like, giving each other, like, little tips about the puzzle or, like, what the word is. I mean, in 46, we saw Liz run down and help Maria. I mean, that was the most blatant controversy, I think. where were the five judges done?

[01:01:25] I'm just asking. I agree. That one was a little bit more questionable. You know, you know. Yeah, they weren't touching the block, so I think that is fair. But with Joe spelling Tim from Tar Hub, you know, Philly Tim. Tim Exterminator. He's so funny. He sent me a meme of the last time Joe did it and the things all misspelled too. I was like, Joe's so good at balancing blocks, but like, spelling with those blocks is like, it's been so hard.

[01:01:54] I don't know if you saw, but yesterday morning he posted like a disclaimer that he had dyslexia before the episode. Oh, okay. Yeah, well, that makes it hard. Yeah. Why was he the one doing it? Why was he the one doing it? They're all working together. Hey, guys, I have dyslexia. Aubrey, you got this. It's inconceivable, by the way. Why are we putting the eggs in the dyslexia? Yeah, move it over. Yeah, yeah, move it to somebody else. Yeah, throw back to God's fun betrayal. That was just a spelling one.

[01:02:24] That wasn't, but, but no, I mean, Tiff, you know, being in the room with Tiff when she pulled it out, it's supposed to be when the target was on her back. Oh, I bet it was insane because we were going nuts and it was just two of us in our bedroom. So, yeah, I bet that was awesome. She deserves it. She deserves all praise. I was pumped for that. It was poetic justice. Poetic justice. What, what do you, is there, what is the end road

[01:02:54] for Tiffany? What's a winning role for Tiffany? I think she's got to figure out how to convince people to get, I mean, either, I mean, look, if she wins final five, all she's got to do is make fire. And I think whether she wins final five or not, you got to figure out a way to take Aubrey out. Yeah. And obviously you'd have to do some convincing of, of Joe and of Jonathan. But Tiff has a relationship with Joe we've seen and with Rizzo.

[01:03:25] But yeah, I mean, I just think the thing is Aubrey we've seen, you know, for all the, the ups and downs I think of her general game, she's always very good at the end or whatever, whatever phase of the game of sort of finding people that are pretty straightforward players and just kind of bringing them under her wing. Like we saw with Joe and Co-Rong was like an Aubrey plus one. And here we've seen recently Aubrey's really seems to have built this relationship with Joe and with Jonathan where she just like

[01:03:54] knows how to talk to them to like make things make sense to them. So I feel like it could be difficult to flip either of those two against Aubrey. Granted, you know, Rizzo still has his idol. If Tiff wins immunity, there's only Joe, Jonathan and Aubrey at that point. So maybe there's a move to be made there. Then, you know, you never know what could happen in the fire making. Is, would you say Tiffany sitting, Tiffany's ideal final three would be Rizzo, Joe, Tiffany?

[01:04:24] No, I think it would still be Jonathan, Joe and her. Yeah. Yeah. For the same age, not to say now, Jonathan versus Rizzo against the jury, I think is an interesting, like who gets what votes. But I think if you want Joe there for the same reason we've seen in a lot of other seasons, you have a Jonathan there. They're kind of pulling from the same crew and they might split the votes. And if one of them's on the jury, they probably vote for the other. So, um, kind of,

[01:04:53] kind of like in 48 when Kyle brought Joe and Eva, it's sort of the same logic of like now, Joe and Jonathan are there. Stephanie, coach and Chrissy, they're not going to know what to do. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's, that's the move is to sit next to Jonathan and Joe. I think for almost everyone is to sit next to Jonathan and Joe, except for Jonathan and Joe. So, but I think Tiff could also do well against the Rizzo, you know? Oh yeah, for sure. So, you know, if you get there with Joe, Rizzo and Tiff,

[01:05:23] I think Tiff's still in a good spot. So, um, I think they're the big, I think she's target number one right now though. So, the biggest thing is just trying to get through. So, then again, so for me, it sounds like an ideal final three would be anyone with Joe and Joe and Jonathan. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I think all of the, I think Aubrey Rizzo and Tiffany are all looking at that as their ideal.

[01:05:54] See, this is why I was the third boot because that's not how I would look at it, but like, it makes complete sense, right? Like, if I were out there right now, I would be, I would be gunning to get a Jonathan out. Like, again, because I would be trying to like, make a move, but it, how y'all just put it, again, see Josiah, this is why I love this podcast because it like, I really do, it opens my mind. I never would have looked at it like that.

[01:06:23] So, that's like such a, I don't think Jonathan's a bad person. Like, I don't think he's necessarily a bad person to go out either. Like, if I'm sitting there, I am going to be like, okay, Jonathan probably has these three or four votes already. Right. see, but again, I think the component of him maybe splitting some votes with Joe. That's the best. Yeah. Also, those two not together is a big thing. And then obviously, if Jonathan goes out, now you're

[01:06:53] sitting, if you're Tiff, for example, now you're sitting next to either a Rizzo or an Aubrey. And I think that's a little bit harder to be like, who's maybe getting what vote there. But I think if you're Tiff, your ideal is to get Aubrey at five, and then maybe Jonathan and Rizzo make fire at four. And look, Jonathan probably wins. And then that's your crew. And if Rizzo wins, I still think they're in a decent spot. Yeah. I think Aubrey and Tiff have the same goal in that they need to get each

[01:07:23] other out. And from there on, I don't know who's going to win, but I would be shocked if it wasn't Aubrey or Tiff. So they got to get, unless they're sitting on the same final three, Aubrey and Tiff got a gun for each other. Because it just seems, again, just like you said, Jonathan and Joe, you don't want them voting for each other. It's guaranteed they're going to cloth the whole thing. And then if one of them is out, I would want both of them there. And then they got to split the votes with the other people of the cloth.

[01:07:54] So that's what we got to do. But they got to be the final two there with either Aubrey or Tiffany. I think they run away with it. And Rizzo, again, people just don't seem to be worried about him. I think Rizzo wants to be there with Jonathan and Joe too. That's his best shot. So, I mean, I've got my notes. And we've only got one more episode left. And so I'm looking at the combinations. And so I

[01:08:23] guess we'll see how it all pans out. I have to say you were not a pariah in my side, Josiah. You were a bright joy. And we are so honored to have you on the podcast. And I hope this could become an annual shmanual. I'm honored. I'm the one that's honored. It was so, so fun. I love talking. Usually I'm just like screaming at the TV. So this was really, really fun to have people scream back. It was a really, really great time.

[01:08:53] Y'all are the best. I love the podcast. It was super entertaining. Thank you all so, so much. Well, I'll make a deal. You can come back on the podcast, Josiah. If maybe sometime this summer me, you, Alyssa, Bella could get some Rita's Wood Ice and Delco. Nifty 50s. We're going to Nifty 50s, boys. Get the Ford F-150 ready. I've got my trucker

[01:09:23] hat. Let's go birds. Yeah. Burged again. But also, yeah, also before we go, Josiah, sorry, Jack, because I'd be loving Josiah's TikTok because he's a TikTok star. I haven't seen much of your flyers gear lately, Josiah. Wow, you're going to do that to me. What's going on here? Freddie was asking. Those kids are the

[01:09:53] most electric team in sports. I was at the playoff game. It was the most electric thing. The only thing more exciting than that is watching Rick Devins with Mr. Beast flip a coin. You know what I mean? That shit was nuts. I love the flyers. I'm going to stay on the flyers bandwagon until the day I die. Porter Martone is a dog. So, yeah, flyers are out. I'm sad about it, but it's okay. We got eagles coming up and it's going to keep breaking my heart. It is what it is. If you don't know the lore, Jack,

[01:10:23] Josiah's been a big Eagles fan. We see it a lot, but we had never seen a mention of any of the flyers. And all of a sudden, Jack, this is how we know Josiah assimilated into Philadelphia because Philadelphia were the most fair weather fans ever. The flyers got into the playoffs. Josiah had flyers gear dripping orange, dripping orange, Jack. It was the playoffs. Oh, yeah. The city

[01:10:53] guys. Listen, they're going to break my heart every year. Joel, I have no process, no trust. Joel Embiid is a great player. Always hurt. It is what it is. Oh, yeah. I love Jared McCain. That's a sign. Oh, but they sold high. That's

[01:11:22] what? Sign to Bryce. Shout out to the posse because the posse knows I love. It doesn't say all that. Listen, Jack, mind your business. But a posse member did get this for me because they know I love Jared McCain and Mellow Ball. I mean, Jared McCain's on my squad now. Listen, I just ordered an OKC jersey the other day. Yeah, the owner said we

[01:11:52] sold high. What are you talking about? Yeah, he's a beast. He's got fired, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's what happens when you sell one of the best players in the league right now. Well, listen, Flyers Nation, go get your boy Josiah because I ain't see him wearing nothing. Jack Atkins, we'll see you next week. This has been your Survivor News covering Survivor season 50, episode 12. It ain't nothing but Janet Jackson or Tupac over justice.

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